The Kristian Harloff Show - THE BEST COMIC BOOK MOVIES + TV SHOWS OF 2022! | Big Thing | Capes and Cowls

Episode Date: December 31, 2022

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Nothing. Yep. We're in one of those moods today. It's capes and cows. And what are we talking about today? Comic, book, movies, and TV shows. There were some of them. There weren't a lot of comic book movies out, but there were tons of TV shows.

We're not necessarily going to do a ranking. I've done that on my own on a full on list, but myself and Winston and Coy, we're going to just kind of have a conversation where, all right, look, here's one of the ones we really wanted to talk about. And it's not, again, not like a best and worse list, but we could bring up a stink bomb and we can say something. Look, this movie, it had potential. It made no sense.

Here's a reason why. Let's talk about a little bit and then we move on. but we just want to kind of go over all of it. So if you're brand new to the channel and never been here before, I'd love for you to subscribe to it. We're heading towards 70,000. We're almost there. We'd love to do it by the time we get to December 31st,

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Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the Caps and Cow show. Big thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Messy New Year's start.

I like it. Messy, it's not even New Year yet. It's like two days. Yeah, in two days. Take it easy. What up? Everybody. Hola.

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We're brand new to this show. It's capes and cows. Yeah. I'm going to say five. I ain't changed. That's fine. No, no shit. Your one also.

All right. So what we're going to do is we're just going to, Winston has sent us a list of all the stuff that has come out. And we're going to go over said list. And there's some stuff that I haven't seen. I'm looking at a lot of this stuff. And I don't know how much of it everybody has seen, but we're going to just bring up things that we wanted to talk about. And like conversation wise, and I think we should save this one for like, you know, the middle. Because someone's going to bring that up.

I mean, that's my favorite. Yeah, well, let's not bring that up. Okay. We'll talk about because we're going to talk about that one probably in depth. So, let's start. Winston put together this list. So we're going to start with Winston. Winston, bring one of those TV shows, movies,

anyone that kind of stood out to you right away that you want to talk about and what you either liked or were disappointed about. There was a lot of good stuff to like, man. On the fringe side of things, just one. Just one? Yeah, to start, we're just going to do one. Okay, I'll give you a fringe one.

Young Justice Phantoms. So tell me about that, because I don't know what the hell that is. Yeah, so Young Justice came out, oh, God, it's been forever. I want to say 2013, maybe 2012, was doing pretty good over on, like, I don't think it was adults when. It might have been Tsunami, but it was over at Cartoon Network. They got canceled. Then there was a whole fan movement.

Why would they say? They did well for two seasons, but it was just like Cartoonaro was like, we ain't giving you no more money, you're done. Yeah. Fans came back and they're like, no, we want it back. And when DC Universe dropped, they did bring it. back, did a really great job, but same issue. It really kind of became a cult following type thing.

But they gave them a fourth season, again, from fans pushing and pushing and pushing. What's it about? So it is specifically following young superheroes, mainly sidekicks. So kind of similar to a Team Titans type team of, you know, Wondergirl, the multiple Robbins, back girl, you know, oh my God, speedy. Jesus, speedy, kid flash. Essentially all of these younger heroes. Is he on drugs?

Speedy. Because he is in the comics. I know, right? It's following them as they're kind of coming into their own, not just as sidekicks, but as full-fledged heroes. And so this idea that the things that the Justice League, they have to be very forward-facing, it's like Superman, here's his face, all that.

These sidekicks are actually working in the background almost as a covert op-like team, taking missions that they can't really have on the books. And you love this? It's been amazing. And so this new season was phenomenal where you have the death of Superboy and the fallout of that. And you have Beast Boy who goes into full PTSD, like the grief, depression because of that

because he feels like it's his fault. So it's more a mature show. It's on HBO Max? It's on HBO Max. I know. And so that's that. By it on Blu-ray. Which is why I would honestly say, if you didn't already check it out, go watch it

immediately. All four seasons are there. It is an incredible show. So you're not an animated guy, per se. So you didn't check this one out? I just struggle. I just started the DCAU with Flashpoint and Red Hood. You just saw Fastpoint Paradox?

First time. Holy God. Two weeks ago. Maybe two weeks ago. I saw Mask of Fantasom last year. Oh, I love Mask of Fantasms. See, Masked Fantasins great. So I only know like the 90s Batman animated series.

I know Batman Beauturn Return of the Joker, Mask of Fantas, Mr. Freeze. Those three had seen, but I hadn't seen Flashpoint until two weeks ago. What did you think? Loved it. So I think now. I might do the Justice League war is next, I believe. So there's a whole shared universe of these movies starting like 2013. But this particular one you didn't say.

This particular one, what I'm hoping is the movies get me to enjoy the animated stuff more as a gateway to this. So it's Young Justice fandoms and you can see that on HBO Max. So that's Winston's first pick of one of the best of the year. It was season four. It was season four. That came out this year. It came out this year. And that was your favorite.

One of your favorite. It would probably be because the only other animated one was hardly. No, all I know it was Harley Quinn. I don't know if y'all gonna talk about that or not. We'll find out. See. All right. My number one draft pick of the year.

Harley Quinn. I mean, it's the number two, actually. The Boys. I feel like the Boys was so early. No one talks about it still, but they really should. The Boys season three, I thought, did the impossible and leveled up both the intricacy of its nuanced take on satire, which I honestly thought they'd accomplished more than I expect them to do. Because it's one of the rare things that the comic is good in the medium of comic books.

has moments of being exceptional in a commentary in comic books, but comics are so niche compared to TV. So I didn't know if a show would translate. Like, the comics good, but it's such a, it's a commentary on something that has an audience one-tenth the size of shows. So I was like, how is a show gonna translate

to be a satire of superhero culture, which is the biggest culture right now? And then the show kept leveling up season to season. I think season two is better than one. I think season three is better than two. And then season three is not only a commentary on the world of pop culture, but in politics, it really leveled up.

It's linear commentary. And I really enjoyed certain sects of people being gobsmacked by what these characters represent to them being kind of twisted on their heads. So this season with between hero-gazm, between some of the last episodes, reveals of me, hero-gazm went for it. But some of the reveals with Homelander, like those things really impressed me at the, they swung for an 11 and they hit it. Like, I was so impressed. This is one of my favorite shows on television, and I just watched seasons one. through three this year. I forgot.

We kept pressuring and you wouldn't do it and then you started. You said, oh my God. This show. Well, no, but I've always, but it was that particular show I always wanted to watch. And I actually had started watching it. I just always wanted to get around to it because my friend is an executive on the film. She told me about it, I mean, on the show. She told me about it.

I think she had even sent me the pilot that I never looked at it, like two weeks or three weeks before even came out. She's like, this is going to be big. And I didn't think, too. I remember going out of dinner with her. She's telling me about it. And I always wanted to watch it. And I guess I even told her this year, I'm like, I sent her a text and I'm like, yeah, this is definitely at my alley.

She's like, you just watch it now? And I was like, yeah. She just watched it now? She's like, and I watched that. I watched all three seasons like right away. And I'm, and I mean, look, I mean, the bottom of my freaking thing. No, that's you. It's like, so you got the Homelander right there.

I'm dead. I'm dead. Because you probably could have got an advance interview with Anthony Star and whatnot. So by the way, so during S. I was offered many, many of them. Many of them, and I didn't know any of them. So I didn't want, I was like, I can't watch. Dude, I literally went to Vancouver.

I went to the, or Toronto, I went to the set and visited everybody because, like, I know Derek, the comic artist. And, like, meeting them was seeing my buddy's art come to life. It's amazing. And it was only in, like, I had a two-hour window for all of them. We could have had them in. And I think for season four, we'll probably, we have a chance to get them in studio or some of the studio. Probably.

Not really because I want you to grow, but I can see that. I wanted to be on the Christian Hall. I ain't going to watch him. I know, I just literally had, I had lunch with her like two months ago. So I made sure I just saw Laz two weeks back at LA Comic Con because we know each other now through the set visit and stuff. And like, Laz is the man. And he's Mother's Milk.

And he is the most, like they started reframing Mother's Milk to be more like him. Like if you read the comic and then you know Laz a little bit, like it's really funny to see how they found that Venn diagram. And the show does a good job of doing that. Yeah, well, I'm glad you brought that of two weeks. It's really about, I mean, yes, the satire and the political commentary and all that is what stands out about the show. But it's also the character relationships, the humor. Carl Urban is doing like some, because I've always liked Carl Urban's, but there have been sometimes around like, you know, I don't know if I'm really buying them in this particular role.

He, he, like, just lives as butcher. He's so good in that. Anthony Starr is the, is the, he's the guy. I mean, he's the guy. And he's, there's so many, I mean, and I also. think Jansen Eccles was amazing. Such an incredible new edition. Yeah, as, uh, what's, uh, what's his name?

Um, shoot, he's Captain American. Yeah, yeah, what's the character? Oh my guys, we've been talking a long time. Yeah. Him. Patriot. No, uh, not the Patriot. Oh, it's driving me nuts.

Rob Lifeld character that's Captain American take. Uh, yeah, they're right now, they're yelling. And they deserve it. They're not lying. I can't believe you don't remember it was. It was from March. Please, someone help us. Soldier boy.

Soldier boy. I remembered it before I brought it up. Full credit. I remember it. As I was, as I was always typing in, I got Soldier Boy in my head. I just remember when they first mentioned it.

I thought they meant Soldier Boy, the rapper. That's hilarious. Is that what you were doing this? Yeah, it's Solve boy. You're like, oh, Jensen Ackles, it's got to be great.

It's going to be fantastic work. Also, we're not giving credit to. I think the MVP of the show that doesn't get the, I mean, I think Anthony Star is well deserved of getting the credit.

I think Carl Urban, but like what Jack Quaid brings to Wii Huey is so human. Everybody in and even Starlight, she's awesome too. I mean, there's so many, there's... Are we just not going to even acknowledge on one, Carla Esposito? Yeah, so, well, hi, you know what it's funny about... He's, he's just next level, right?

Yeah, yeah. He's really good in the show, but I think he's not as utilized as he normally is. He was season two? He's in three, he's in three, also. But that's the thing is like, there's so many powerhouses. Yeah, yeah. It's not on him, but it's just...

Right, he doesn't stay in. out the way he does say like the Mandalorian or like Breaking Bad or or better call Saul. He always stands out. But if you think of, if I told you, all right, John Carlos Esposito, what do you think of? You say Breaking Bad. You say Mandalorian. You say Better Call Saul. The boys doesn't come to mine.

What's up? School days. School day. Right, right. Right. But it doesn't come. That's not the first one comes to mine. He's great in the show.

Yeah. But he doesn't stand out the same, the same way as the, you mean like like A-Train. A-Tran's awesome too. Yeah, dude. So, um. Well, I love that the show balances like the boys are technically the good guys, but the soups are so interesting that you're, you have these two rival, you know, teams that are going and you care about both so much because they're so differently devastating. Yeah. And most shows like after a couple seasons, they kind of lose that nuance.

They have to find like a favorable one. No, it gets more clever. And like this season, they put on the trench coats in a different way. And like that's starting to mirror the comic. In the comic book, they get Compound V issue one. Interesting. So like, it took three seasons. I like that they did that.

I like that build. It's almost like, what the hell was it? I was like House of the Dragon, right? Right. Like when you, the House of the Dragon in the book is like when they, when they go past the the little prologue is just kind of a mention and like even the stuff, the younger stuff is just kind of, it's not as layered, but they layered it more to get to the point that when we finally see kind of the older Renera.

So yeah. But Cripke's done and I feel like Seth Rogen and Evan Goldberg are these left on producers. Yeah, they don't talk about what they've done as far as comic books stuff. I think they're the Kevin Faggy's of television. Like what they've done, yeah.

I think they're bringing in the nuance to like below the line. And Invincible. Yeah. Well, no, they didn't do Invincible. They did the other one. Rogan did. Rogan did.

Just Rogan? Yeah. With, with, uh, Skymouth? Yeah. hilarious. So that's what I'm saying.

It's like Invincible Preacher, the Boys. The preacher was the one I was thinking. That's an incredible run of off. I didn't know Rogan had anything to do with. I never, I worked at that company for three years, never heard his name once. Well, he, because that was the thing. He does that one alien that comes to check it.

He's like a Lobo-type character. Who's going to be? He's in the show. You know, it's another thing. Now I can say it. Now I can say it because I'm, I don't work here anymore. I never watched it.

I know it's great. I know it's great. I know it's great. You're going to change your fucking icon. I know, I'm going to watch it. There's my one. There's my one. That was the other one.

I could have people from that show too. Yeah. I was like, do you want people? Oh, Jesus. I have to lie. I want to get the 70,000 We don't know what three That's literally what I did

I went to the DA's office I was like I haven't watched it The two biggest shows on Amazon I know you know the interview would still be a thing It's so crazy I would have done those interviews we could have done Hey what did two weeks ago shoot 20,000 was also

But it's also you guys know I feel about digital It was also virtual interviews But next year when the boys calls We answer Right Vigil all right But anyway let's let's keep going on. We'll talk about some other stuff.

So now it's my... Over the holidays, when Christian watches Invincible and realizes how much she loves it. It's the truth. I started, I just watched your first episode. It's good. I know. The end of the first episode, Christian's going to be like, Oh, my God. I feel like I watched it. Did I want... We're in yellow and blue. I feel like I watched it first episode. Is that true?

I watched some of it. Because that was the thing. I don't know if you remember, we did a watch along myself and Mike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For... Of the first three. Right. And I remember being on the watch along and be like, wow, this is pretty good. Oh, my God.

And it only goes up like the boys. Yeah, I'll watch it. That's the power of Seth Rogen's pacing. So Amazon gave that show No Love at first. Right. And then they finally did good. And they, and well deserved. That's what I'm saying, Rogan and Goldberg, man.

All right, so I'm going to talk about one. I'm going to go movies here, and I'm going to talk about one that nobody was going to bring up, because I'm probably the only one that saw it, and I saw it twice, once by myself because I was going to screen it, and then I saw it with my, with my five row. And that's DC Super Pets. I love it. I wasn't expecting much from it, didn't know what I was going to get from it, walked out with a big smile on my face, and I said, literally that,

I have a movie that I can watch with my five-year-old. And she watched the trailer when he's like jumping on Superman's head, trying to wake him up, and she made me watch it like a thousand times. She's like, show that, show that again, show that again. Watch it just eyes glued. And is it the best animated movie? No, but it's a fun, cute movie. I thought it was some really good performances by Kevin Hart.

I thought Dwayne Johnson is a great job as the dog. I think that John Grisinski is amazing as Superman side of it. And what I really loved about it was the fact that they used the John Williams theme in the very beginning. They use it a few different times. And then even the Black Adam cameo at the end of the movie, I thought was pretty sweet too. But I don't know, do you guys, you guys supposed to do. It's tied for my number one's prize of the year with Werewolf. Like, I loved it.

So good. It's so delightful. Dare I say, it was the best rock movie of the year. I actually, I have it ranked higher than Black Adam. I have it ranked Tyre than Black Adam. I have it ranked Iron Black Adam. We most enjoyed Black Adam. It's that good. It is so fun.

I love the tie-in to the lore. Like, it is one of those movies that at any point in time, if one of my niece or nephews are like, can we watch Super Pets? I'm like, hell yeah. I've seen over 200 movies this year. It's in my top 20, which means DC Superbeds in my top 10. percent of the year. Like, it's that good. It's cute. And I've seen a lot of movies. It just was, it just, it did the job. You know what I mean? It did the job. And it didn't do super well in, the theater. But I also think that they just, it people didn't really know what it was.

It wasn't also marketed very well. No. They told us about it like, I want to say 18 months before it came out. And I was like, oh, that's going to be fun. And then just kind of disappear. Milo. Yeah. So Diego Luna was really good in that movie. Um, again, there's so many, there's Dude, Kate McKinnon as that evil little gay thing? She was great. Oh, my God. And sometimes she can be a little too, a lot for me. But she was great. It's funny because we were talking about it was a role that I saw her.

It was in, shoot, what was the one with, it was about the Fox News thing. It was a bombshell. And Kate McKinnon is in that. And she plays this, she just kind of plays, I think, Marlora Robbie's, whether it's roommate or whatever it is. She's phenomenal in it. And she just, because she's not, because when she was in yesterday, we just saw the movie yesterday. She was, she's in that movie,

and it's like everybody else is, even though it's a comedy, but everybody else seems real. Kate McKinnon. She seems like a Saturday Life character. And it's like, and it's a moment like that. And even though this movie,

Super Pets, calls for some over the top, it fits and she was the character. I thought the whole cast did that. What's interesting is watching her evolve over the years. She was the star of S&L clearly. For sure.

Her impressions and characters and all that. She got stuck in stuff. And then she's going to movies people would be like be Kate McKinnon. What I've seen recently, there was a Netflix movie that wasn't super good, but it was about, I cannot remember the name of it, but it was about a woman who's dying of cancer, and she tries to help her husband find a new soulmate before she dies. She doesn't want him to be alone.

So Kate McKinnon is in the cancer group with the wife. She's phenomenal. Right. Because she's not doing that thing. rounds like crazy. When she has the opportunity, but we'll jump back to Superbats. I think that's the thing about Superbets I like is that everyone in it is in the same movie.

And that doesn't always happen. Right, right. That's kind of one of the mess. Exactly. That's exactly right. Like everyone's at Kate McKinnon's level of wonky, wacky, good times, but it's all in the right tone. Yep.

And I think Kevin Hart and the Rock are so good in this because they get to be that playful. It felt like I've always enjoyed the Kevin and the Rock moments in interviews more than the movies. Right. And this felt like the interviews, but anime. Absolutely. So anyway, so that's, that's my pick. I really enjoyed the movie.

I think that it's, again, whether it's a sentimental thing, also being able to share it with my youngest, that was great too. All right, Winston, we got another one. You can pick TV. You can pick... Okay, so I thought we were only doing TV. TV movies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm going to go ahead and call this one before y'all. MF's trying, you know, claim manifest destiny. I got to go Black Panther, Wakanda, forever. Phenomenal. I, you are dealing with trying to make a sequel for arguably one of the best, if not the best MCU film, at least as far as standalones.

You're dealing with the massive news and tragedy of losing Chattuckerman. You're dealing with the very hard task of in a phase of the MCU that people are very iffy. This is supposed to be the end. And Ryan Coogler and that entire cast brought it and they brought it hard.

I know that there's still the movement that was like, about recast Achala and all that kind of stuff and the controversy that comes behind that. But what you got out of, out of Namor, what you got out of setting up this entire culture of Tel-Con, what you got out of seeing Wakanda,

Angela Bassett's performance, which she will probably get multiple nominations. She's already been nominated for Golden Globes, yeah. Already got the Golden Globe. She will probably, or the nomination for it, she will probably get the nomination for both the SAG Awards and for the Oscar.

I feel like she got nominated for the CCA. I'm not sure of credit scores, I think so I think she did, yeah. So between all of that, and on top of the fact that, like, for a lot of us in the pandemic, we've been through a lot of grief. We've dealt with a lot of death

and for them to full on tackle grief like that and what that means and how it affects people, I cannot think of a movie, especially a superhero movie that I think touched me more than this. I'm looking at the rest of this list. There's another contender for, like, top of the pile, but because it was just a good movie,

not because it said anything to you. This said something and it said something hard. I think that's a great point. I think that as we've talked about many times, I've been a spoiler. I liked the movie a lot. I didn't love it, but I liked it a lot. But you can't, you can't,

but help appreciate and understand and just be in awe of what Ryan Cougar was able to accomplish in the amount of time from when we lost Chad, to having to change the script, to having to emotionally wrangle in his cast himself and do all that and make it this story that I think works really well. I don't need to go into my grievances

with some of the story itself because it's not really about that. It's more about the stuff that really did work and the stuff that really worked was exactly what you were talking about, the emotional connection, the saying goodbye, the consistent theme of loss throughout phase four. And all those moments that worked really well, and the introduction of Namor and being able to establish this new thing

that is going to lead into phase five and more characters and the understanding that we will meet throughout it and questions that were answered. There was a lot of really great stuff in this movie and it is, and what I loved about it, what I did love about it, was that it took us back to the tone of Marvel that I fell in love with.

And it took, there was humor in it, and I thought that Shuri and Akaya had some great moments of humor, this type of Marvel humor that as I'm doing the rewatch, I loved and it got away from the stuff that I was starting to go oh they're really losing I felt after Dr. Strange and Thor and She-Hulk they really lost their way as far as how learning how to balance I thought they really lost it this got it back and going okay well they can still they can still get back there uh to me it was a shared catharsis I think you know you brought up all the grief we all went through over the last few years and it was a really beautiful thing to be in a theater for me

like usually I like theater for spectacle uh I don't usually go to the theater to cry with people but it was really beautiful to be in a room sharing an emotion that is not negative, but like not joy. Like it was beautiful to share in a sorrow with others, and I don't usually have that in movies. Like I, even when I see like a Merrill Streep joint where she's lobbying for an Oscar, I don't feel, yeah. But you don't feel that. Like even no matter to the performance, you don't feel like, oh, I get it. But like with, I think we all experienced Wakanda forever, a certain shared experience. And that's in part to how we felt about Chadwick, in part how we felt about the last couple years.

part how we felt about like these characters, it was this perfect confluence of grief. And I think that was really special. Yeah. So that's a great pick. So so far we've gotten some really good picks on this list. And just the idea of, like I said, the way we're doing it, if you're tuning in, if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,

we're just kind of bouncing back and forth and saying like, what are the ones that stood out to you? Which ones do you really want to talk about? Because we have this full list that we have and we know we're not going to get to all of them. So we want to make sure that we're picking off ones that we really wanted to talk about. And Coy, you're on the clock. Are we still saving the big one? I think we saved the big one.

Okay, so I'm going to go with one of my biggest surprises of the year. I knew I'd like Harley Quinn. So it's not Harley Quinn yet, though. I want to give her some love. My biggest surprise of the year was Werewolf by Night. I knew I would like Werewolf by Night because I'm a big fan of the character. But in that, it's novel. I didn't expect it to be like one of the better movies or it's a special.

But like we put it in the movie category because what do you call something over? 45 minute movie. Yeah, like what do you call something over 20 minutes under an hour? But to me. episodic either. Right, it's a movie. So anyway, of the movies, it was my biggest surprise because the character in the comic books is serviceable. It's usually used in a way to be like, this is going to be this horror element or this thing. But in this, they were not only able to endear me to an entirely new world, but I saw the power of Michael Guccino's directing. I saw a pulp that could

go on to be an entire universe where now I want Ghost Rider there. It gave me an Elsa Bloodstone that I like better than the comics because it wasn't just like a Tomb Raider light. It was an actually like investable character. It built a mythology out and it did all of that in 45 minutes while like endearing me to an entire new corner of the Marvel universe much the way Guardians did. This is a guardians level shift for me. Like the way Guardians made things cosmic, this gave me pulp horror and I want that. Sure.

So impressed in 45 minutes. I couldn't agree more. I was and I think I was sitting next to you or near you at D23 when they showed this. I had the biggest after they showed this it was like, yeah, it's great, I go. We talked after, I was like, everything, and you're like, I don't. Like, we just didn't see it.

When I looked at it, I was, the trailer, I'm like, I get it. They're just going for that kind of old school 1940s feel. It's funny, you do the same thing with Wanda Vision. Yeah, but I did the same exact thing, which is I watched it and then loved it. And I pride myself on the fact that I don't do the, I'm going to hate this, and then I'll go afterwards

and say I'm going to like, if I like it, I like it. And I don't, because I've gone into things going on, man, this looks like, gobbitch. Like Shehawk, for example, right? Shehulk was one that had such an emotional roller coaster with that one because, like, I looked at the trailer and I said, this is not for me. I called everybody after the first episode, this is the show? This show is awesome. And then after episode three, like, it was just a big fart pile. And so this was one that I'm looking at going, I don't know.

man and I was locked in from the get. I still got to watch it. Oh, you haven't seen it yet. Oh, dude. I was running the risk that if it said it's been out since Halloween. That's my fault. You'll love it. You will love it.

It's great. It's really special. I think that what you said is also something to latch on to is that Michael Chikino for, I mean, he, I was just talking one of the patrons on Q&A about this. There's actually a music teacher. She's very, very knowledgeable. about it. And she was talking about it.

And we were talking about how he doesn't have a style in music that you can listen to and say, oh, that's Michael Chikino. Like, it's the opposite. It's, that was Michael Chikino? Right. And it's usually so great to the character. Absolutely. And he's whether it's Planet of the Apes or the Batman or any Pixar movie.

It's like that particular style, what he did there. So when he directed, you're going, man, well, let's see what he's got. He's got it. He's got it. He's got the goods. And it's specific. It wasn't broad strokes. It wasn't like, this is a werewolf movie.

I think this was his coming out party. I think that I do not be surprised if he winds up directing a huge, a big movie. Yeah. Like a big Marvel movie. And like the team he assembled, like Kirk Thatcher is the Scottish guy in this who's an incredible, like, Jack of All Trades. He's, so in the movie, there's a Scottish character that the guy's not Scottish. She's like an actor that just does an incredible job. But then you look at the guy and he directed like two of the best Star Trek movies.

He's also a guy that's, he directed Muppets Christmas Carol. Like he's a, he's an every man, but like he assembled that team. So not only did Michael Giacchino put together like the greatest version of this, but he also assembled his own unique medley of talent. And I want to see that expand the MCU. Because he's like, so great choice. So We're Wolf by Night, again, it's in Disney Plus. That's a good idea.

If you have not seen that and Winston for sure, make sure you check it out. because it's great. So I'm going to, I'll stay in TV. And if we're going to stay in TV, then I've got to go with Peacemaker. Sorry, buddy. Peacemaker is another one that, that this was a different feel from, say,

We're Woke My Night or Wanda Vision. When the suicide squad was announced, I was like, okay, I guess it's interesting. James Gunn's doing it. It's got to be better than the first one, but I was so put off by the first movie. and I didn't see it in the theater. It was like that was for all of 2021,

I wasn't going to the movie theater, but I watched it and I just fell in love with it. So when, and I've never been a massive John Cena acting fan. Like I thought he was terrible in Bumblebee. I thought he was good in train wrecked. But then I saw him in the Suicide Squad. And I went, whoa, this guy is awesome in this movie.

And then they said that he's doing a TV. show in this role I go well that I'm on board now if he's going to do this and he is so fantastic in this world everybody is in Freddie stroma by the way yeah Freddie stroma is I he I did have an opportunity to interview and talk to um and you talk about a guy that just like just nobody's talking about him in what he I mean we were when the show was on but he's someone I think should have gotten some recognition he was fantastic but everybody in the show and the way that they kind of play that into it? I thought, well, who's the actress that plays Amanda Waller's daughter?

She was from Orange's New Black. And she was interesting. She was, she was. Danielle, uh, God dang. But I love, but I love what she did, like, in the role where she basically had this character that, like, all these other really extreme over-the-top characters where she is, like, she's really our moral compass. Why am I getting smowdown, like, anxiety flashed?

I don't want to say it's Danielle Penbriker. Penbress. Literally a computer right in front of your face. Yeah, I just try not to use it. Why? Do you want to tell you? Yeah, go ahead.

Just tell us. Danielle's right. Last name, like a water, like a babbling. Oh, Brooks. Yeah, Brooks. Well, Danielle Brooks is, she's really good in it. So, but did you guys, did you guys expect a lot out of this? Or what do you think?

So with James Gunn, I always expect a lot. And that's, you know, a scary high bar because he reinvents the wheel a lot, I think. And Peacemaker is a character that I did not care about at all. He's a character that is lower than Seelis to me. He's a nobody character. And that means like, oh, the bar is low, but James Gunbar is high. What's the show going to be? But then like my big surprise is Jennifer Holland.

I didn't know her work at all. And then the entire time, she's the eyeline to peacemaker's absurdity. So like, you know, I'd met Jennifer Holland. That's Gunn's girlfriend, a gun's wife now. Yeah. I'd met her. James Gunn used to come into my work all the time. So I'd met them through my work.

And she was always like so impossibly kind, so impossibly like, endearing and open, but I didn't know that would translate to this, you know, this badass, like, spy. So I was worried because she's a sweetheart and, like, you know, she's stunning and she's involved in the entertainment industry, but I didn't know how she'd be as the Black Widow-esque character. Yeah, yeah. So I was super impressed when she was, like, not this very sweet woman that I met through, like, social circles. I just thought of something, too, when you mention that. She shows up in Black Adam.

Yeah. So does Mandela Waller. Yeah, no, but Mani Waller, but a man. Hard court show up in Black Adam. I don't remember that. At the end, dude, and she's working, she's working for Amanda Waller in that, in that lab. Which ties to peacemaker. I just missed it.

Yeah, and then so my, my, my, yeah, my whole, well, it's just, Amanda Waller showing up. They, we were throwing her in everything. But that makes sense. That makes sense. At that point, but it's in fact, but you would figure James Gunn knew she was going in for that role. So he, and that he knew, like, how does that all play in the play in a peacemaker? How's that going to play in my D.C.? How's it going to play in all of that?

Probably just a wife. I mean, well, spoiler alert, doesn't heart, did I forget something? Did I forget something? Hardcore die at the end? No. No. She survives. She survives.

She gets shot. It's hurt. She gets shot. That's what it is. Okay, I remember. We thought that was the penultimate episode twist. I don't know if you already mentioned Freddie Stromov because I zoned out for a minute trying to look up something. He's my MVP of the show.

Yeah, I met for a vigilante. Yeah. Holy God. Tuned out for a little bit. Yeah. I did. I did. That's nice.

We literally interviewed him on this channel. Yeah, we talked about how we actually got interviewed as opposed to the boys in the middle of the whole. Okay. Well, the good news is that the good news is when I did it to you a couple of weeks or you didn't even notice I cut it out of the show. Because you don't have to watch it. Winnie editor has the power. That's right. I cut it right out of the show.

So there's no proof except the fact that I just said it. Yeah, now there's pretty. And I might know how much cut that out too. There's to get it. All right. I hate everything. Same. Before, before we move on.

All right. So once again, make sure you check it out. Link is in the description. All right, let's move on. We'll go to Winston now. We just finish up with Peacemaker there. How many more choices we got? Well, let's see.

We got a... I got a boogie in 12. You got 12 minutes. Winston, what do you got? I got until 1230. All right, so you got a half an hour. Corey's going to be a lameo at the last minute and last show. Excuse me for the schedule.

So like one for him, two more for me, I guess? We'll just go until we go. All right. What do you got? Pick one. All right, man. Who is going to be crazy? I'm going to go with another one that actually made me genuinely happy.

I'm going to go with Guardians of the Galaxy holiday special. Great call. I almost went with that from the last one. I just, from top to bottom, I know you were afraid for a little bit Christian that this is going to get all goofy, like nothing but jokes. But it was, but in the sweetest way where it felt endearing the entire time. You still got some action out of it. You get Mantis getting to see how powerful she really is. It actually, for as jokey as it was, it had a lot of balance.

It really did. It really, really did. You not only showed how powerful Mantis is, you actually added to the lore of what she means to the MCU, and now all of a sudden she is so much more relevant, knowing that's spoiler alert, that she's Quill's half-sister. You have a phenomenal performance from Kevin Bacon.

She's so good in that role. That's so good. That's why the thing works is the Kevin Bacon of it all. And I think that's part of it is that for as insane as like, okay, aliens, and they're walking on Hollywood Boulevard, for Kevin Bacon to look at it and to genuinely be a real person in it and be like, what the fuck?

But then to buy in when he gets mind controlled for his acting to fully just go with him to go. I just thought it was so balanced. I've had such a 180 on Nebula in general. There's so much. I love to hear back on our side. I've just had such an 180 on her. When you go back to my earlier reviews

when Mark and I saw it back in the day, I was like, I don't know what Karen Gillen's doing is working for me. And now I couldn't imagine anyone else to know. That line at the end, I don't want to spoil it again for anybody, but at the end of that, she spits out a line, and I burst out laughing. It was just her delivery on it, but it was such a James gun line.

It really is. But it was hilarious. And it was not so much that I just thought it was going to be joking, because I think that's kind of a given, right? It was that it's like, what is this? I'm like, I thought it was animated at first. I didn't know what it was. I'm like, what is this?

And then the trailer hit, and I'm like, yeah. And then I shut my, I stopped. and I go, it's just a holiday special guy. Just go with it. Have fun. Have a holiday. You know what it felt like? It felt like James Gunn like genuinely used to enjoy the Star Wars holiday special but knows how

hokey it was. So he was like, I'm going to take that and I'm going to essentially make fun of that. But actually make something good out of it. It was hilarious and it was really good. So that's what I think the holiday special shows that this is the most James Gun cast of James Gun people. Like if you actually break down like Chris Pratt is exactly the right guy to be James Gun Star Lord. And Nebula, I think the reason I like.

of Karen Gill and his nebula is there's that bitter sweet pain and dark humor in her in every facet that Karen is exactly James Gunn. So I think the holiday special in such a limited amount of time showed exactly like he's the right guy. Even the fact that like her present is the most assassin present you can get somebody for. Yeah. Rockets screen. They get to see kind of bigger grew to what we're going to move. But all right, Corey, you want to go for it? I'm going to get out of here. Okay, my favorite movie of the superhero spectrum and my number three of the year, is a movie that I had the highest of expectations for a movie that I think establishes an entirely new corner

of an entirely new DC universe that should say Stepard. Morbius. Morbius. It's Morbius. Guys, Jared Lettos Morbius is establishing why Sony is prevailing. No, I think what Matt Reeves did with the Batman was even more than I expected because I expected a David Fincher-esque detective story of Batman. I expected an incredible grounded year-two story.

I expected all these things. I didn't expect poetry. And there are moments in this film where I just lean back and I enjoy the atmosphere of a movie that does feel akin to David Fincher's work where I can just appreciate a frame and an art form that is so unique to cinema. And then it's got Batman in it.

I loved what Paul Dano did with, you know, the type of in-cell culture they dabbled in that felt more real than a lot of times. Like, that's a very well-tread villain, both Ridler and having, like, a message board trolls. But I think it did it spectacularly well. I think that it balanced Penguin as, you know, planting the seeds of where that character can go so well.

And Colin Farrell delivers three of the best performances of the year, one of them's Penguin. I think that what they were able to do with introducing a Batman Catwoman relationship in a much more nuanced way is really intricate and interesting and didn't feel like the Michelle Pfeiffer Keaton take, didn't feel like the animated series take, didn't feel like any of them could seen before. And they felt like they finally figured out the archetype of Batman

has so many rogues because he's so broad that your antithesis can be, the Ridler is Batman if he's not rich. The antithesis can be Joker is Batman if he doesn't have rules. The antithesis can be Penguin because he believes in crime more than justice. The antithesis can be two-faced because he has justice, but also, like, Batman is so good a character that he can have 50 opposites, and Matt Reeves gets that, and so does Pattinson, and the movie is spectacular. I agree, it's a really good movie, and it's my favorite comic book movie of the

for sure. I still stand by. I think it was a little long. And I still think that there were certain things that worked really well in the beginning. The David Fincher Tone, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Paul Dano, his Riddler is just, is, he, talking about two great performances, both this and the Fableman's. You should see him. You should see him in that. Two very different, different roles. And the, the acting, the directing, the music again by Michael Chakino, all of that, that really plays into it. And then the ending of it was, and it's weird to say this, but it's because it felt like such a Batman ending as opposed to the movie previous that didn't. It had Batman in it, but it was a David Fincher movie.

And then the end just happened to be a Batman ending, which people are like, well, doesn't that what you want? I was like, well, kind of. It was just set up that this was this whole kind of like really seven-ish movie the whole entire time. And then at the end, it just felt a little jarring. But overall, it's a fantastic film. It really is.

And it's much better on the rewatch, by the way, too. Yeah. Yeah, it's much better on the rewatch. because, and I think that there's just, and again, that score, Pattinson's performance, Andy Circus's performance, again,

he talked about another, he had two, he had a couple great, great year as well. So it's great. It's definitely, again, my favorite comic book movie

of the year for sure. Who did Circus play again? He was Alfred. That's right. Yeah, you haven't seen it in a while. Just the one time. I need to see it again.

That's the one thing. I found myself this year. I did not, I watched like two things twice. So much content. Wakanda Forever was one. And for some reason, multiverse of madness. I'll take that as my next pick.

I wanted to give it another shot because... Oh, we're switching into that one. Yeah, yeah, we can hop into that. Because you guys covered most of what I was going to say about the Batman. Okay. There's nothing else to go there. And then you can just talk, you give your piece on and then take off. Sweet.

Yeah. Great. So multiverse of madness, I watched it a second time. I like significantly better than what I felt the first time. But I still have the problem, and this is, for me, this is, in my opinion, more of a Sam Ramey movie than it is an MCU movie. And it's not to say that Sam Ramey is battering that, but Sam Ramey is a very specific style and taste. And those that love him, of course they love this. And there are little elements for me as a comic bookhead and all that kind of stuff.

I loved seeing Professor X in his X-Men the Animated Series chair. I loved seeing John Krasinski actually going to play Reed Richards even if it's only for a moment. All these little things were great. But for me, it just didn't, it didn't vibe with me the way that I was anticipating

and it's not because I was expecting something. It's just the tone didn't work and there were certain elements that if I can logic my way out of it and even within the world of the superhero stuff, then it doesn't work. Yeah, I think the expectations of that movie is pretty big and it's not just as you were saying not just because we're like well we're going

to see this person because we were kind of spoiled from no way home right because we got those three big or those two big reveals with garfield and and uh maguire so you just think that automatically that's going to happen they spoiled the stuff and for the lumini inside of it but um i was more excited about dr strange too because i like dr strange one and i wanted to see how it was going to play into the multiverse i was going to i really wanted to see how it was going to play into what if and i really wanted to see how it was going to really tie in all of the wandavision stuff it let me down on all those fronts. And I'm,

I appreciate San Ramey. I'm just not a Sam Ramey head. So I think because of that, it's, it's one of my more disappointing movies of the year. I'm gonna go that Dr. Strange is exactly why D.C. can do incredible things if they keep their universe as separate.

Because I feel like Dr. Strange of the Multiverse Madness is my favorite what if episode. Unfortunately, it's not a movie to me in the MCU. So what that could have been, if they let Sam Ramey make a what if or an else world, which is what D.C. forward with. Let your creative directors that you want to have their artistic

stylings do elseworld movies. Let Todd Phillips make Elseworld Joker and then let, you know, Matt Reeves make a Batman that's over here, but then let your Batman that actually makes sense next to Superman be over here. You say Marvel do the same thing. I think Marvel should start letting, because if everyone is spending, because they need more stuff to do. Well, I mean, obviously, they don't have enough content every year. We don't have enough Marvel. No, but if everyone is going on TikTok and yelling about Easter eggs and looking for connectivity and yelling excitedly about these things, you lose the actual storyline. If everyone's wanting connectivity to the point where they're not going to go watch

you know, Aquaman next year, then you're missing out on the actual two hours of that movie experience. What DC can do is they can make a Justice League universe and then make an Elseworld universe. And if Marvel had that, then they could have made this a what if episode let Sam Ramee run even more free and do some of the things we've seen in previs and I would

have given this movie a much higher experience. But the MCU is so beholden to itself that I think that they're having to reposition so it doesn't collapse it in itself. I think Secret Wars is going to expand it. But for now, they're having a really tricky spot in phase five and this movie showed the weakness of making everything so tied. All right.

Before Corey takes off, I want to tell you guys about the Boom Studios. We have Boom Studios and it has a new thing I wanted to talk about just about what they sent us today. It's awesome. Here you go. Boom Studios is back, everybody. And we're so excited once again, what a way to end off the year. And as we're talking about the best of in the comic book realm, boom studios has been putting

out some of the best stuff. Now, I'll tell you, this is very exciting because they're ending their year on a high note with the crossover event of 2022. Now we told you guys about this once before and here it is once again. The Mighty Morphing Power Rangers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are back together for an epic new story

and it's written by Ryan Parrott and artist Dan Mora. Now, I love this so much. I was so glad we got a chance to look at it a while ago and I told you about the art in general. Now, Teenage Muti Ninja Turtle is something I definitely grew up on and I missed the Power Rangers but I got into it. I got to tell you, I like the last

movie and this is the stuff that really got me more on board. I love the idea of this crossover between both the turtles and the power Rangers and the art. The art inside of this stuff is just look at that. That is so amazing, this absolute crossover between both the Rangers and the turtles. If you're listening to it on audio, it should come by and check out on the YouTube channel so you can catch some of this art. It really is tremendous. And they're picking up basically where the last series left off. And the teenagers with attitude, you guys know them and love them. They love people. pizza, we love them. And the heroes in a half shell, they are teaming up for one more time to take on a

terrifying new foe. So both the turtles and the Power Rangers, it's available now at your local comic book store. And I'm telling you, this is one of the coolest crossovers. One of the things I like about doing, look at that. That's so great. Bebop and Rocksteady. And then you got the, as it keeps on, it's like just the difference of it. You see how intense this series in general looks, but like the, just the craft, look at that. The way that it blends in and the style altogether of this series, he Bro Niel with a crossbow, who doesn't like that. And as Coy had mentioned many times over with Parrot and Mora are some of, he, I'm learning

all these names now so much more because of Coy. But this is an amazing series and it's such an amazing crossover. And I'm glad that Boom is doing it because as we've said, there's so many different things that Boom does. And they have done this, very, these two familiar. your beloved properties in both the Power Rangers and the turtles and all these characters together coming together in this epic crossover event. So make sure you go to your local comic book store, get on over there, get yourself a copy. And by the way, when you purchase

one of any of Booms comic books or anything in general, let them know that we sent you. Because more people keep telling us that they keep hearing about Boom through us. And I love hearing that. So all right, once again, thank you to Boom. And what a way. to also include this on the best of comic books of the year. All right, thanks again, everybody. Thank you to Boom Studios. All right, so as we're going to continue, we lost Corey Johnro,

but Winston and I are going to continue on here as we talk about the back and forth of some of the best. And maybe the worst is Winston brought up, not the worst is the right word, but maybe disappointing. Yeah, and I think that that's what Dr. Strange when you brought that up just recently. But I'm going to go into a TV show here,

and I was going back and forth of which one I was going to bring up but I'm going to bring up actually Ms. Marvel. Nice. Now, Ms. Marvel was one, not that I didn't have necessarily high expectations for it

because I wasn't as familiar with the character, but when I saw the trailer and the trailer itself was like a Scott Pilgrim thing and the first thing that I said immediately was this looks like something that my, at the time,

10-year-old, is going to love. So I'll probably watch it with her because I don't know how much it's going to relate to me. I did not watch it with my 10-year-old. I watched it by myself and I loved it. And the reason why I loved it was not because of the superhero stuff. The superhero stuff worked.

It was the family dynamic. It was the understanding of the Muslim culture, which I was not, I did not super familiar with, but they did it in a way that wasn't intimidating. They did it in a way that was welcoming. And they did that with it, and it was also relatable, even though I'm

not Muslim, but I, even with the culture inside of the mom and the dad and the dealing with kids and the relationship, I related to all of it. And I was like, I have such a appreciationist. And she, the lead, which you would have. I can bring it up.

I want to say her name is like Imani. She's a superstar. A superstar. And she is, mark my words. I'mon Villani. Amon Valani. Mark my words that once the Marvels comes out, she is going to be the star of that film. Yeah.

She is going to be the one that stands out. She is going to overshadow both rammed. and Danvers, she's going to overshadow both of them just from the trailer that they showed at D23. She was the one that everybody was locked in on. She has this moment in space, was all I'll say. And you're locked in on her because she's electric. She is likable. She is funny.

She is warm-hearted. You can see all this stuff about her. She is a star. And that's the reason Ms. Marvel worked. I really enjoyed it. I completely agree with you. I think you focused on what was important. I think it's this young girl trying to figure out where she fits into the world,

what makes her different and how that bothers her. And then you amp it up to 11 because now she has superpower. So it like both allows her to live out this dream that she's always wanted, but it also the complications of it and all that, which is always Ms. Marvel's story, but they just did it so well. And they translated it well because I will be honest with you, when they announced they were changing her power said, I got pissed.

I was like, this is going to affect it a lot. I'm not on board. but they got they want me they want me over you know what they did do they did bail on that scott pilgrim uh stuff styling i don't love that they did that they bailed on it because i wish they kept it me too the first episode they really lean in on it and then it just kind of goes away i almost wonder if they just ran out of budget so maybe they put it in because it was in the first like two to three episodes and then it just disappeared got rid of it all right so winston it's on you know what do you what do you got all right i'm gonna go with you're going back to a stinker

I'm going to go, I wouldn't call this a stinker, but I will call it the most controversial of the year. You already know where I'm going. I'm going with She-Hulk attorney-at-law. There is a lot to love. There is a lot to question. There's a lot that people hate. You literally did not see a single one of the ones on our list here

that was probably more decisive or divisive than this show. And it's because I think, most people could universally agree that the star of the show, Tatiana Maslani, she's great. Can't touch her. She's incredible. Star, again, star. You could also make the argument that a number of the storylines and stuff that was going on was phenomenal.

But then there's moments where you just lost people because you didn't focus on the main story going forward. You kind of felt like you went on a lot of side quests or diversions. Some of them that I loved, and you didn't, some that we, universally agreed no son but i i cannot think of a show that honestly was maybe more talked about than any or any of these that are more talked about than this because of how sure yeah i mean i i get that i just the problem with this show i thought i thought this show that the writers were too proud of themselves is what is what it ultimately came down to it just seemed like there were things as i mentioned earlier in the show when it started out i was like and and i hate continually using the

same word but balance right the first episode to me seemed like such a perfect balance of what is Marvel and then this idea of the Ali McBeal style, the to the camera on the nose talking, breaking the fourth wall, doing all that stuff and having those conversations and like all that. I thought that this, if this is the show, I'm on board. And then episode two was kind of the same thing. I'm like, I'm on board. And then they just went into this place where everything just became almost like a spoof of itself, similar to my issues with like Thor, Love and Thunder, right? And then they got back to that, They got back to that feel that I liked with the Daredevil episode,

which it's like, it wasn't the humor. The humor was fine if it's, again, like anything else balance, like when Daredevil's walking out on the walk of shame and he's walking down, it was hilarious. It's really, like, that type of stuff was great. Now, people are torn on the finale, right? I really dislike the finale because it really rips you out of the idea that this, we dislike it for different reasons.

I think your point is valid where, like, if they would explain this stuff a little bit more in the time that they had it, it didn't utilize it. All it was is you can have that entire conversation with Kevin. Yeah. I need you to once the conversation is over. Show me how it all happened. Right. Let me watch it happen.

Don't go when the conversation is over with Kevin. Hey, I'll see you in jail. All right. Thanks for the season. I just didn't like the how. I mean, I don't mind the little peek behind the curtain when she's talking to the camera because Deadpool does it and it works too and it works fine for me. It was the major stuff inside the room.

And then the idea like the first few episodes and even throughout it, I thought it was clever. and I said it was much more of review when they were kind of going after like the online culture and the and like the hate mongers and all that stuff and I was like, oh, okay, they like the way they're doing it. They became obsessed with it. They became like it was the entire show and it was us versus them and it was like it's like when people tell you don't feed the trolls.

That's what that's what the show felt like at the end. It felt like don't feed the trolls because you're mimicking people like troll-wise and you're bringing reference to certain things and things. It's funny every once in a while. But when the whole show is that, yeah, this show is one of my most disappointed Marvel things. If I rank the whole MCU, it's in the toilet. I think what is the reason you can do the mocking the trolls thing

if that is actually what this is about, but it's not. It is about this new superhero that's going to have larger implications in this universe. You know what I'm saying? But that's the problem. This show didn't know what it was. the end. It had no idea. It made attempts sometimes. I guess it's one of those situations where it's like you go into something and you know ultimately what you need to do, but you get so caught, again, call it a video game. You get so caught up on the side quest. You don't focus on the main story. And that's,

that is the issue. Absolutely. I agree. All right. So moving on to another one. That was definitely disappointing one for both of us. So the next one that I would probably go into, if we're going to go into, we brought up Super Pets already. So all the really good, good, you know what? I'll bring up Black Adam. All right. I'll talk about Black Adam. Because Black Adam to me is,

and I think I've been pretty, an advocate for the movie. And I'll start with the criticisms of it, which I, the criticisms that I agree with, right? It's, you've seen it a million times before. It definitely feels like it didn't,

it hasn't evolved the comic book genre. It feels like it almost, like, you know, regressed a little bit to where you've seen, it a million times over. It felt like a mummy movie, like the mummy sequel or whatever. And I agree with that. But I had a lot of fun.

And I really did. And I enjoyed watching this and I enjoyed watching it more than Thor Love and Thunder. I enjoyed watching it more than Dr. Strange. I don't think that they're better movies as far as filmmaking goes overall, but I had more fun watching them. I enjoyed what the rock was doing. I loved the idea that the anti-hero stuff. I loved what they did with the Justice Society.

I thought that was all worked really well. I want to watch the movie again. Okay. Like that's the thing is those other two movies like Dr. Strange and Thor, I don't ever really want to watch them again. I started watching, I tuned in to Dr. Strange yesterday for just to see the opening scene. It looks so fake.

It looks so fake. Well, of course it's fake. It's in a different, you know what I mean? I don't believe that it's real. It looks at green screen and he's walking back with the ponytail and everything, too. And I don't know what was black black at him. I just, I enjoyed it.

I had fun with it. I would say that, the music is really good. I would say that as we're dealing with superhero movies and we've been, we are, I think, just outside the golden age, we still have a lot of them, but I think we have hit that point now where we're beginning the decline. Nobody is asking you to re-event the wheel, but wheels have not been made of stone for a long time. And that's what this felt like. It literally felt like all the innovations that we've made.

made, you said, nah, and you went back. So my only... A lot of slow motion. So much. Yeah, there's a lot of slow motion. And it truly gave me those 2,000 superhero vibes. And I'm not, I'm not for the... You're over. I'm over. Yeah, which I, again, like I said, to open it,

like, I understand all the criticisms. I just, I was there watching it going, I don't know what to expect from this. And it has nothing to do with, like, the post-credit scene, now it is what it is. It's just kind of a throwaway post-credit scene. It doesn't matter anymore, but like, I really, enjoyed watching the movie. And it's a fun movie to eat popcorn with. It's a fun movie to have snacks with. And

so for that reason, I enjoyed it, but I understand the criticisms. All right. So we got a couple more here, Winston, that you want to, if you got anything else you want to throw out. I mean, I would love to talk about the meme of the year. Which one? Have you seen? Did you see more? I finally saw it. It's on Netflix, so I watched it.

Okay. Okay. It's another one. That movie is awful. It's bad. It's awful. But Ariana What's not, Ariana. Honor to Armis? No, not Honor to Armist. From freaking,

Ah, from, uh, from, uh, Andor. Oh, yeah, no. I'm not going to be able to pull that one. My head's just, and I was so proud of myself this morning because I had her name right, and I, and I'm, yeah, it's, uh,

Aja or Hona. Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. Morbius is incredible not because it's a good, film. Morbius is not incredible because of the post credit that supposedly doesn't even make sense. If the vulture is in this different universe now, where the hell did all of a sudden he get all his Tachari tech from? That doesn't make logical sense. Because he was in prison and was still in prison. This movie was nice and short. It was purely, it was purely incredible because of the meme job. Do you remember what happened? With Matt Smith? No, no, no. So, well, the

Matt Smith stuff was funny too. The reason why it was hilarious is that trolls, essentially got a hold of it and they kept going on about how incredible Morbius was. And Morbius too, it's morbid time. We can't wait for it. Sony's like, wait, we do have a hit. We're going to re-release it and it bombs a second time. Oh, they re-released it? They re-released the movie after it had already bombed.

It had a very short run because of how bad it did. They re-released the movie and it did, I think they said the amount of money they had to spend to re-release it, I think it only made like $50,000. It was something insane. Yeah, who's going to, why would they do that? Because they thought people were genuinely all of a sudden like, no, this is an underappreciated movie. We are so here for Morbius and did not read the room that the internet was making fun of them. And they went back.

So for me, this movie gets more love not because it's good. It's awful. She's great in it, though, by the way. Which is fine. There's a couple performances that come through pretty well. It's amazing because the internet was able to truly. truly troll a studio and they didn't get it. Well, look, either way, the movie, like, it was one of those things I saw the movie,

and I was walking out how bad it was. And I said, yeah, it's bad. It's the same thing, though. It's different than Black Adam, though, because I thought Black Adam is just, it's just generic and it's fine. Sure. It's fun. This movie's a bad movie, but I didn't mind watching it.

And it was one of those, there's some movies, like, again, do I think that both those movies, Thor and Dr. Strange are significantly better films? Of course I do. But I, there's no comparison. I mean, I still also wouldn't, if you said which one you got to watch again, you got to watch one of those movies are Morbius. Morbius is an hour and a half. I can deal with it.

Nah, dude. I don't know yet. I don't know. I don't know if I, I don't know how true that is yet. I got to see, I have to see, I'm going to watch, like I said, I'm approaching Dr. Strange too with my daughter once we get there. And I'm going to watch it. And same with Thor and I'll watch it.

And maybe, look, I haven't watched Thor's since we, Love and Thurter's since we saw that day together. So maybe I change my tune. I just know that it's just been lingering like a bad tuna sandwich left out, you know, for months in the hot sun. So I don't know. I don't know. But, all right, before we got to get the hell out of here. But before we do, we'll see, there's one I've got to mention. Okay.

And that's Moon Night. Okay. Got to mention Moon Night. So Moon Night was for me. I think I loved Moon Night more than most. I did not like the season finale. I thought the finale was not good. But I thought that the, again, people.

10 Ultimate episode was one of the best episodes in Marvel television. Him in his own mind. Oh my God. It's one of the best Marvel television episodes ever, I would venture to say. It is brilliantly shot. It's brilliantly acted. It's unfortunate that I think that because the series didn't have a strong ending that Oscar Isaac was ignored, I thought he was doing next level stuff in that episode.

And I think he should have been considered for roles. Maybe he will be for an Emmy. Probably not. But yeah, I really enjoyed Moon Knight. and probably more than more than most but where did you stand on that? I forget. I was on board but I was getting kind of bored Yeah I all of a sudden because if I remember correctly

This was dropping the no Miss Marvel was dropping the same time as Boba Fett right? Yes So this was right after something along those lines yeah so I just found myself all of a sudden This didn't become appointment viewing for me there was a point at which I was like You started with something strong and now I don't know how I feel And then that pen ultimate episode like you said was in incredible. Yeah.

But in the ending, I was just like... Didn't deliver. The ending did not deliver. No, it didn't deliver. All right, so some honorable mentions, because we're going to wrap the show today, but some honorable mentions that, you know,

well, not even honorable mentions. It's ones that we didn't bring up. Obviously, we mentioned it, but Thor Love and Thunder, I don't want to get in depth in that film. The Sandman is one that, again, I have not finished, but what I had seen thus far really, really enjoyed.

I want to finish. I don't know what Paper Girls is. Numi? Naomi. Naomi. me just just ended it was on cw is actually one of the better cw superhero shows but only really got that one season because cw also cleaned house okay heart stopper dmz tithes titans baymax uh baymax baymax kind of cut came and went huh did it did i remember that trailer hitting

it nobody nobody talked about that at all yeah harley queen season three and then star girl and uh doom patrol season four which is on right now but harley queen season three was great that show continues to be consistent i'm very curious what happens now that uh patrick schumacher and not Schumacher. Oh my goodness. Patrick's going to kill me because I actually know him. Patrick and the other showrunner, they both left because they work on Abbott Elementary now.

Okay. All right, everybody, look. That was our end of the year's show. We were able to tell you about all the things that we loved inside of it. A couple of disappointments here and there, but for the majority of it, that's what we really enjoyed out of the comic book movie, TVs, and movies. How about you guys?

This is where these shows are super important. I want to hear your thoughts. You're not, Schumacher. You don't have to give me a full-on list. If you want to, absolutely, please do. But if you just wanted to say, hey, look, you know, one of the things you guys talked about, I like this, or I like this episode of this show, or I really like this movie. I want to hear your thoughts.

I want to hear your opinions. I love reading your thoughts and hearing all the things that you guys really like discussing. If you've never commented before on a video, do it on this one. We want to hear what you guys loved this year in the world of comic book movies, TV, and did we miss anything? Is there anything else? We covered pretty much everything. So anyway, for myself and Winston and Coy, we hope you guys had a wonderful holiday.

We hope you have a great, great, hope you had a great 2012. And if you're not, you didn't have a great one. Smile. 2023 is right around the corner. So keep your heads up. Do what you got to do. And if you're brand new to the channel, subscribe to it. We're almost a 70,000.

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And we'll see you on the flip side. Peace.