The Kristian Harloff Show - The DCU SLATE: What were the biggest take aways from the announcements?

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

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Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here. Welcome back to the big thing, capes and cows. It's the Friday episode. And man, what a week we're having. Quoting the great Eugene Levy from Splash, 1984. So if you are here, then you know everybody's talking about, capes and cows, you guys can have a lot to talk about.

I mean, kind of, a lot of talk about, a lot of D.C. talk. We talked about it a lot this week, but not with the guys. We got so much. and stuff has kind of even developed more so in the last just few days. It was announced on Monday the D.C. slate still confusing as hell. What's part of the timeline? What's not part of the timeline? Who's still involved?

Who's not still involved in why they hate Henry Cabell so much? Like all that stuff. We're going to figure that out. So what we're going to do is go through all that and more. And they got Batman has also announced. The title was announced. And then there's there's so many. stories that we're going to get into today on capes and cows but before you do any of it show a little

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we're going to have some stand-up comedy with myself and a few other peeps kind of leading us into the big event that is me, John, and Greg. So again, those tickets are on sale now. Make sure you check it out. That hopefully will lead to big thing is going to be going on the road. We're definitely holding already June 23rd in Manhattan for Big Thing to be in New York. And that's on hold right now. And the goal is that at this show with John and Greg goes well, then we'll probably take that on the road.

also. So if you're able to get some tickets, do it, man. All right, let's get into it. It's me and it's Koi and Winston. We're all here, everybody. We're going to be doing our show in just a moment as soon as I find the music. I just found it. So let's do it. It's Kaps and Kows. I'm ready. You ready? Cool. Let's do it. Welcome back, everybody. It's Kapes and cows, myself, Koy, Winston A. Marshall, everybody. Welcome back. So we knew it, man. Well, we knew it was coming. We knew it. And he held out until January 31st.

He finally did. And we kind of guessed that he was going to do that. He doesn't, you had to be a showman. And it was social media, but it was, but it was video, which he did. But it was also, they held this room together of some press. And they, they, on Monday, which kudos to all the press that went. Nobody left anything, which is, which is really good. Smart means it'll be invited back to other things to cover.

And then the article started popping it like, you know, 9 a.m. on Monday, followed quickly by James Gunn's video. What's wrong? What happened? You a gas? No, no, no, no. I was just thinking about the actual announcement because I just had a lot of other stuff going on that day in particular. So I knew it was coming, but I didn't know what time. So it's like 915, and I don't, I haven't seen it hit the trend quite yet, even though people are already tweeting about it. And so I'm like, man, here are my hopes and dreams for the announcement today. And then all of a sudden I see somebody about five minutes after that go, bro, it's been out for like 30 minutes. And I said, oh.

And I immediately would have deleted my tweet before it looked like a jacket. Hilarious. Yeah. Time stamps are real embarrassing. What? And I knew because I called Winston, like, I called you. You didn't call anybody back. So it said, you know, I was telling you.

I don't care. You can call me back. So I didn't tell you what I heard. So you hear about it now. That's real. Winston knew. Winston knew. I had heard a couple days ago that this press thing was happening.

So I knew it was going to drop really fast. and I try to get into it. No response. But I try to get into it. I called you back the next day. I got, hold on. I'm going to stop taking bets with Christian. We keep losing.

I didn't bet. I just said. I didn't bet. I was smart enough not to bet. But either way. No, no, no. I didn't mean to sound as interesting because I obviously was. I was just at my niece's 11-year-old.

It was loud. I was at my niece's 11-year-old birthday party, and I haven't been to any of her birthday parties. Outgoing. When is that? It was yesterday. Yeah. Yeah, well, yesterday we were talking about it.

It was like four days ago I called you there, Jack. I didn't call my guess. Guys, times a flat circle. True detective season. That was, don't, don't, don't show your phone. Don't do that. Oh, that I feel uncomfortable. Yeah, exactly.

Ridiculous, ridiculous reveal. I just, I felt I needed the justification that I tried. I didn't call back once. Yeah, right. The moment it passed. Is that the right one? No. Oh, okay.

It doesn't matter. I mean, kind of. I mean, today, it's an offshoot. I did it. I just, you know. Today's an imprint. But look. But nonetheless, it comes out, it drops.

And we get, we get some, we get some big announcements. And I've, I've kind of gone over this with the audience thus far. So I want you guys to really be the focus on this too. I'll just give you the overall, my overall thoughts were that the plan in the movies themselves, even though unknown ones, I think are great. They have a plan. I'm still, I think that they didn't do the full reboot or they did, maybe. Who knows is the door still open for certain people to come back.

but definitively not Cavill. And there is a lot of, like, the first couple of the Shazam and Aquaman and those things are still happening, and that Guns video said, well, that kind of goes into our DCU, but it doesn't really connect. I don't understand that part of it,

but the movies themselves seem pretty interesting. My thought, the way they're going to do this, because you know how the end of the Infinity Saga, some of these movie releases, didn't make sense. So like Ant Man of the Wasp came before Endgame after Infinity War, but kind of took place in the middle of Infinity War because then people disappeared. There's a possibility that maybe they just,

they kept the slate as far as release dates, just the way that they did. But Flash may reset it and this is just like, oh, and this is kind of what happened before the Flash. He did say that. He said in this video that Flash is going to change. They confirmed it. I was surprised I actually said so succinctly, like,

this is the end of blah, blah, blah. But I do think he has to keep selling those four movies. And it was really interesting that in that sentence, it was like really excited about this and this is coming out. Like there was an interesting note of dismissiveness for certain things. But I also think it's a matter of James Gunn is a showman that is running a thing that he has to tidy up while launching. So I don't think Aquaman is necessarily as tied in as maybe it needed to be implied.

Because you need to know that Blue Beetle is going to be part of it. And he made that very clear. And I honestly think they had to reshoot the end of the flash to make it kind of more flashpointy, which sounds like they have been doing because it sounds like they've been on set. And then Blue Beetle, they probably had to remove some things, add some things. But now they had the benefit of time. I think the reason that release dates didn't shuffle was it allowed them to in-house kind of make it work more than it would have. And then what I think they're going to have to do is acknowledge the fact that this was an old universe in the flash in some way.

Whether or not that means announcing the cast at the end, showing whatever at the end. The only thing that I consider truly messy as of now without knowing anything is Aquaman. Because December is, it's the end of the year, and I feel like it'd be so clean to just not have something hanging over you after Blue Beetle. Because Blue Beetle seems like a starting point.

Right, yeah. So it's a weird feeling. No, no, no. I agree with that. I think the other one, and I'm sure we'll get to it. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I saw a report that apparently Gall is officially still remaining as Wonder Woman. Is that not?

I mean, I haven't seen an official report. I just see the only thing that they said, I think it would have been a big of a trick. It was an official thing. I think that they just, I think what I did see, and maybe you're right, but I'll double check. I haven't seen that, though. But I just heard the keeping the door open. And what keeping the door open allows is basically it allows from full blowback. Yeah, yeah.

But it also allows for the movies to, a lot of the movies to come out. and it also allows, there's no definitive no as far as them coming back because door, and I said to the other day, door open can be, well, the door's open. We're just not taking any meetings inside that door. You know what I mean? The other thing that I keep pointing to is like, fine. Cavill is done as far as like that and out, but if you remember a lot of the stuff that they said and you don't always want to read into this because sometimes that's what people say during

breakups just so you don't, you know, you feel a little better. They did mention that it's like, yeah, that, run and is over, but we were discussing some future plans and stuff like that. They did say that when they cut cavils. So there's always a possibility maybe way down the line they have some sort of plan for him. Maybe, but they were pretty definitive inside of this report that says we're just not moving forward with Henry inside of this one. Right, right, right. And I think that the thing that's so confusing about that is that they said, well, okay, we're doing elseworld stuff with everybody else. and the JJ Abrams, Black Superman,

that's still in development. That could still happen. We're doing the Batman. We're doing this, but else worlds counts for everything, except anything with Henry Cavill. It's like, why not, but why not say,

well, the door's still in, then maybe he comes back at some point as an elseworld thing. I think part of it, but then again, that is the messy part of Aquaman of the Flash, whether or not Ezra is still a part of it,

et cetera, et cetera. The Batman, Joker, a lot of that stuff that has now been labeled official else worlds were already else worlds they weren't a part of the DCEU I honestly think they might just I mean this is this sounds cruel but they might be waiting to close the door until after the movies come out I agree and so therefore it's it's more a matter and so we'll assess how much how well they did that one but also they can't say because of the

internet especially right now is saying like what's the point of these four movies I think now people know Blue Beetle is something they should commit to right but I do think they're going to wait one to see how Shazam does, which is tricky right now with it being so soon. But I don't think they're going to say anything definitively ever that any of them are gone. Yeah. Like that's not. Yeah, because if you do it, you're also hurting the potential for the box office for Aquaman and all that too. But it's just, you've got to explain on somehow and how it connects if it's going to because

the thing is everybody has brought to this point in, from the fan base on Aquaman. Is it the first one made a billion dollars? Now, will the second one make a billion dollars? I don't know. but it's still, its predecessor did. Yeah. So if you're in the office behind, you know, making decisions for the movie, you're going to go, hey, the first one made a billion dollars.

Don't say the guy's not coming back again as Aquaman because maybe we can find a way that he can if we need to make a third one and we need to make it part of the DCU. So say the door's open for now. And if we need to figure out a way to make it into the plan because what I don't want to do is we make a billion dollars and we're like, oh, this guy's gone now. We had an opportunity to make money. And they have all of 2024. Yeah.

If you look at the schedule, though, like, 2024 can be when they say yes or no, when they can adjust. And announcing stuff. And he also was very clear that Superman legacy is going to be the first big part of this phase launching. So that language was very clear. That got me my pizza. Yeah, and there it is. In 2025, that's how the pizza's happening. He said it aloud.

Well, we got it. And the only reason I said that when we were talking about this in the first place, because you went ambitious and said maybe early July, 24. But that was under the assumption of maybe we, that they either started filming already. they had the Superman cast and at the time you were not thinking about previs, right? I don't think December 2024 was out of the realm. This just won, and I also understand the reason to guess that. Right. And with launching with it, which is they are.

Their contract, Saffron and Gunn, is up in 2025. Right. So this is a, they, they will, we will get an announcement from them. But four, it was three. It's only three years. I thought it was five. I thought it was five, too. Wow.

That's insane. That's right. So the plan hasn't even launched. Well, I think they're going to launch TV in 2024. I think that. That's a weird. That is a weird, like, lynch pin to go off of it. Now with that, not if you put, you're going to put that, that show.

What's the one that he's got? Waller and Commandos. Commandos and Waller, those two could come out because the animated comes out first, then Waller. Then I think lanterns comes out because what they said about lanterns, but there's no release date for any of those. The only release date is Superman. Someone put, someone put a graphic together. Maybe it's not a...

That was Adam Havlich. It's great graphic. Yeah, it's a great. Which means they're historians of DC now, Canon. Yeah, okay. Did he share it? He did? It's interesting.

Yeah, it's on his story. James Gunn shared and tagged Heroes are Forge. I was very proud of them. That's like really cool. That's fantastic. So they're official like, you know, I'm going to post, well then, you know what? Let's make it official here. I'm sure that he, that he actually put the, um...

Also, I got to say, uh, I love Marvel. I love DC. I love image, I love boom, I love IDW, I love comic books. But I think that in the last week especially, DC has done more to advertise comic books. Oh, 100%. 15 years. The actual comic books being praised, God damn, I love it. All right.

Oh, he pinned it. Okay. Yeah, but guns right there. Yeah, James Gunn. No, no. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's, okay, so let's see.

So James Gunn said we talked a lot about Wonder Woman. Oh, excuse me, Wonder Woman Tomorrow, but these are more of the comics-inspiring DC Studios. in the new DCU. That doesn't mean we're adapting all the comics, but that feel of the look of the tone, they are touchstones for our team, check them out, and then where does he actually go to,

I don't know, he said something about, I mean, if he's genuinely going for All-Star Superman. I wonder if that's what legacy is. Yeah, I don't know of it, but here's,

let me put the actual graphic up from what Adam, Adam made. This is from Adam over at Heroes of Forge. This is the actual thing. Here it is. So, yeah,

There's no, he didn't put any dates to it. Only are the ones that I guess that we know. I mean, like there's, yeah, Superman. There's another, no, no, no, there's, there's the ones at the bottom for else worlds. Yeah, else worlds is October. It's funny, Joker is October 24. And Batman's October 25. But they're like literally one year apart.

Yeah, and then the ones that are left. So Flash, Blue Beetle. All right. Well, either way, I think that land, the reason why I say lanterns can come out before Superman is only because of one thing that was said inside of that. And that was that they said that Landryans is going to explore the overall kind of thread that is so important in this first whatever phase of gods and monsters, whatever it's called, that it would be silly to me if they put the Superman movie out first. Right. And then they introduce what the whole big thing is, you know. So I think that they put that, and then what it allows is in 2024, you got a ton of DC stuff.

Yeah. And then 2025, you only have to have one DCU movie, which is the Superman movie. movie. And then you've got the Batman movie, which is your elseworlds thing. Yep. You're, you're a bad man. And that's 20, that's 20, that's 20, yeah. And then 2026 will be, what's the, what's the one that, uh, the, the, what's, is kind of an unknown one about the, about the authority. Authority. So the authority, which we'll talk about in the second, but the authority, I think, in 2026, I think in 20, probably Paradise Lost, too. I think that's 2027. That's, that's, that's, that's the Batman one.

I don't know. Paradise Lost is there a Miscara game. Oh, that's, but that's not, but that's not a movie. That's a TV show. specifically talking movies. I'm just talking movies. Okay. And then, but yes, but I agree with you. I think, I think 2025, 2025, 26 is probably the Wonder Woman prequel thing. But then, then it goes to the Batman, Robin one, and then Supergirl, I think is.

Oh, wow. You think Supergirl is like 28 or late 27? I think so. And I also said, and that was the thing that's because, so there was, who's the, who's the girl that's playing Supergirl in the Flash? Sasha Call, I think her name is? So I don't know yet, because this is something that I said the other day, because I had said, Because I'm on an 1883 kick right now. So have you watched it yet?

Yeah, I like it a lot. I'm not far. I mean, I just started it. So I think the girl, who's like a mini Jennifer Lawrence, right? Oh, she's so good. I think she'd be a great supergirl.

Oh, that's fun. I think she'd be a phenomenal supergirl. I didn't even thought of that. That's great. Now, people are like, well, what do we already have? We've got, I said, I don't know if she's getting recast her. I don't know how they're going to handle the fly. And I don't know if they also go in the movie that, that's what I mean.

That's what I mean. that door. If she fits and she works and she's an awesome super girl, then she should stay supergirl. I'm just saying if you're going to recast it and you're going to reboot it, she's great. So who are you talking about? Isabel May from 1883 is who I've been talking about for a little bit too. And she is so good. She's fantastic on this show. And like I'm about six, six or seven episodes in every single episode, she does something else that I'm like, why isn't this girl in more stuff? And I was like she looks like to me, like that picture with Supergirl sitting there with the blade in the back. Yeah.

Yeah. And again, I'm not saying anything against any other actress that has been cast and roll. If she, if she's the one that they wind up going with and she's phenomenal it, then she should be the Supergirl. I'm just saying if they're going to recast, consider her. I will say, and, you know, I don't know if we have a boom segment today because she's always where I saved my comics until. But that Supergirl comic is one I've talked about like nonstop for two years. Yeah, heard you've been raving about it. It's like literally, I.

struggle with Supergirl because it's a character that I have never been an isolated girl without a family. I've never, I don't get that as much as I get other characters. But what I love about it is Superman is Superman. Like he's famous. He's a giant. Like he's the guy. And she's his cousin that in canon and in reality is kind of like second to him that feels like ostracized by it. And the whole thing is the story of isolation.

But it's cool because they set it in like cosmic space. So it's practically a Star Wars story. And the whole thing is like a Avengers. tail, globe trotting, yeah, but defending another innocent. So she doesn't want this innocent girl to kill the person that killed her parents. So she's like, I'll do it myself. So she's willing to murder, but she's not going to let this kid ruin her life by murdering. So it's this giant like space trotting story where she's got this cosmic horse and riding through.

And like, it's so badass and epic, but it's also more Star Wars than I think we've seen a comic go. Because the worlds they visit, alien structure and all those things. And I think that's a really smart way to introduce Supergirl where every like weird, sex is big, it isn't like, well, I didn't do Superman. Because it shows the strength of Supergirl as being not Superman, as a separate thing. And it's beautiful. The artist's stunning. I mean, it's also, as Gunn kind of talked about a little bit in the reveal, her origin is so

drastically different than Clark's. Yeah. You know, Clark, sent as a baby, doesn't know any better, literally raised by Mom Paw Kent, that's whatever, versus Supergirl dealing with the trauma of being old enough to realize her entire existence has been exterminated. folks that did survive with, they're dying over time and whatnot. So like the psychology of making it to being like a teenager young 20s and having that happen and then being thrust into this whole superhero bit versus I've been raised as good since I was before I have memories. With love,

with comfort. She's on an asteroid alone. And it's an eight issue series. So it's a great like one to one adaptation. No, I love it. Tom King's writing it. The writer of the comics writing the movie. See, but that's what I love about what James Gunn is doing right now. And I just, we just did, I just did, I just did Sith counsel the day. I was talking about how I've been, it you guys know when I talk about Star Wars like that. I just wish they had like this room where they would take people from the novels

and then people from the comics and then take screenwriters and put them together in a room and have everybody kind of collectively talk about all the stuff that they can do and what is James Gunney does exactly that. Which is brilliant. I mean, and I'm saying that my,

I'm just saying that there's something that you kind of fantasize about that you don't think anybody will actually do and he did it. And it's like that, be able to do that and be able to take screenwriters from like that have like the Martian and then you've got Tom King and yeah

it's like this is this is how you're because he's pulling from stuff he's not making up his own comic book things right he's pulling from source material and if you've got experts use them and if you've got a boardroom use them like you've got source material and there's so many comic writers that are like hey I also write movies and they're like the studios are like quiet it drives me nuts and in Star Wars it drives me nuts

it's like Claudia Gray should be in the writer's room talking about these stories that she's writing like Kevin Kennedy They're just novels. It doesn't make sense. It's like, no. It's like this, by taking the actual stories of people who understand the material.

And this is what is happening inside of this. So this is the stuff. As much as I say it's a crazy thing, as much as I think it's a crazy thing that they have, I don't understand how it all connects and all that. The stuff that we are focusing on. It's very gun-centric though. Right.

But look, but this is the point that I made the other day. If you're a Sam Ramey fan, or you're a type, who I think, Calanaski brought this up, and I'll use, if Tycho Watiti was announced

as like the Star Wars guy and his whole slate was very Taika-centric, I'd be nervous. So if I'm not a, and I like Tycho-O-A-Ti, but an entire Star Wars slate of all his sensibilities,

you'd go, I don't know. But then there's other people who are, I love Tyca someone who are so people who are not James Gun fanatics are probably going, this is all James Gunn stuff that he loves. It's like Superman Batman Batman.

I do agree. I mean, I agree with the whole slate. Yeah, yeah. I'm just saying. Well, there's two things that he did. I mean, I appreciate the fact that he is exploring a number of characters at Arnie on the canon. That's the same thing that they brought him in in the MCD with Guardians. So I appreciate him taking those shots.

I will agree in the sense that I am a baby bit nervous about how much he is actively, like, writing. Yeah. And consider it not that I, more than two. I thought he said three. He's doing Superman. He's doing the animated series. Yeah, the Commando Corp. Commandos and Superman is the only two I can think of it.

I thought he said there was a third one he's writing. It may have been bad. Because I was surprised he wasn't doing Waller. Because they announced a showrunner, so I was like, I guess he's not. Was it Batman? I don't think he's doing Batman. That'd be bigger. That'd be like the headline.

So I can't remember who said this yesterday. You guys think Ben Affleck directs that movie? I think it's an option. I think the conversation we heard. Also, I think Commando's done. So I think now it's like. Okay. But I think he could because Ben Affleck wanted to direct the Batman that he was going to star in.

And I think that was the pitch. I think Ben Affleck, I mean, if you look at his career, he started by directing his brother and was like, I'm not going to put myself in it yet. And then, oh, my God, so incredible. And then he put himself in his next movie and was like, that what an incredible performance. And he was able to balance everything. And then he did, you know, the crime ensemble with the town. And then he got an Oscar on for Argo. So he's kind of gone like director checkoffs. But he's not done the blockbuster. He's done all of the things that are like, Oscar bait and like try these things out. And he did a period piece. Now's the time I think for him to be like, okay, I haven't tried what I. been on the set for. Right. And if maybe instead of being in it, they kept him on board to direct it, that'd be a way for the fans of Batfleck to feel a little bit vindicated.

Yeah, yeah. And he would also feel like he didn't just walk away. Yeah, yeah. And he talked about wanting to do a Batman movie. And being able to put a darker one, too, obviously, with the, what's the Wayne's kid? Damien, Wayne. And it's funny because when I heard about it initially, this is when I was, I'm like, oh, he had a kid.

There's an assassin, Robin. I'm like, oh, I'll wait for Winston and quote. or something. He comes in in a very close second. I'll never shake Dick, Grayson, Nightwing, all that kind of stuff. He's my favorite, Robin. But Damien is a close second, and it's exactly that. So, Taliala L'U, I'm sure you remember her.

Mike told me that Mike gave me a break time. Yeah, I understand. Now I get it. But that's also what's super interesting is because that same level of, I'm not going to cross that line fighting the Joker all the time. I mean, all of them, but specifically the Joker, it's now you have a son that was literally trained as an assassin. And you're like, how do I get my son to chill?

Like, you know what I mean? And so it just becomes super interesting. Obviously, you had some people that immediately went full fanboy, be like the photo they used for it. They're like, I'm actually, technically is Dick Grayson and Matt man and not Bruce. It's like, yes, okay, idiot, we get it. Like, they're just doing that to prove a point just to show what they, what were they planning on going with that. And also, there's no reason you can't mix and match where you keep maybe the source of Bruce and Damien, but you don't pull some of the storyline that came with Dick because Dick also,

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The Superman, though, is where I want to go back to because Superman, um, there, I still, I still, I still, at the time, I thought at the time, but I still think so now. I, you know, I don't think so, but I do think they've got people in mind. Uh, I think they, they probably had to when, when firming up the slate as part of the conversation. I think maybe they even had conversations. I agree. But I don't think it's as locked as I thought it was. Because to be honest, when I thought it was, I thought DC was going to be doing less to launch.

And then he could focus more on, I thought they were going to go more traditional and go like one or two things, maybe announce three. And instead, now that they've announced 10, I think it's, they're a little spread differently. And it's going to be a longer journey between personally. I would say with a number of these projects coming up in the next two-ish years, I think we're already in advanced audition talks. because think about like Tom Holland that was a year to be Spider-Man. I bet you they're already at stages where they're in like third, fourth rounds of auditions. I think they're reading. He wrote it.

He wrote something for it. So they have sides. They have things for people to come in and read. I agree. I think they're in the process. They don't have it yet, but they've probably narrowed it down to maybe like 15-20 years. I think they have people that they want. And I also think that, you know, what it should be is similar to what they did with like Superman

returns and even, and even Man of Steel, right? And that's cast and unknown. Cast someone who looks the part. Cast someone that Superman himself can really can sell the movie. So you don't need a known actor to do it. We hardly put names on things anymore anyway. The movie star is under the IP most of the time. Cash Jimmy Olson is somebody that we know, right?

Cass Perry White is someone that we know, right? Lois, I think, should be unknown also. I love that idea. Paquette. You could have Pa and Mike can be like a best. Yeah. Kevin Costner and that kind of stuff. Yeah, do it.

Do it that way. I mean, because now the flip side of that is, and again, I'm going to ask you a million times until I actually remember. What's the name of the movie again? The one that's? No, no, the one, the unknowns, what do they call? The authority. I'll get that eventually. But the authority should be casted with celebrities.

Oh, I think it needs to. Is that Manchester Black? Yeah. And Manchester Black is in, there was a new authority Superbain crossover. And that was Manchester Black assembling a team. I think they're going to bring that in because that was 2021. That was beautiful art by McHub Jan. The thing I like about the authority is, and this is going to,

to rile some feathers, and I'm sorry, is there is a definite parallel between what Snyder did and what the authority is. So I think the authority is a good way to appease Snyder fans while also acknowledging that the more traditional comic book taking these characters isn't as dark. So the authority is a commentary on DC. It's really interesting that they're bringing it into the DCU because the authority is written by Wildstorm, which is an imprint of DC as kind of a commentary in DC. So like two of the leads are Midnighter and Apollo, who basically are Batman and Superman.

Sun God Apollo, midnight or dark night, and they're a couple. So, like, you know, when Superman and Batman are Bonin, it's going to be a very interesting conversation for a lot of people that don't love that. So I'm excited to see a lot of the more aggressive cultists of that world be like, wait a second, and then have that moment happen and realize what it is. So I want them to cast under Cavils Apollo. There's no chance. There's no chance.

But can you imagine? He's no chance. Just him snogging Ben Affleck, just going at it. There's no chance. What I will tell you, with the Henry Cabell side of it. Do you just play and hide the bat pole. So by the way, though, with Henry Campbell, you're on my cryptonite.

He just cast Henry Cavill and Mark Andrako, because Mark Andrako would be thrilled. He would not make it to set. No, no, you wouldn't. But if you have tripod every day, just like, trying to keep it coming. I'm just saying there's going to be a very messy set if that crimson night comes out.

It's very wet. I'm just acknowledging. Just sitting it. No, you got to take that one, bro. That was poor racing. You're going to have to deal with. that one, bro. All right.

Anyway, let's jump back to Henry Cavill for a second because there's something you said as far as casting him. If I'm Henry Cavill and DC comes to me, I'm looking at him right in the face. I say, thank you, James Gunn, but stick it up your ass. So if I'm about Henry Cavill, because it's not like Henry Cavill's going to have any problem. And it's not James Gunn's fault.

No, no, no. Because James Gunn even said he was dicked around by the previous people. I mean, James Gunn was the one who kind of said that. this is not a James Gunn thing, but if James Gunn was like Henry, we've got a place for you, if I'm Henry, I'm going, stick it in your ass.

But because the thing is, at that point, Fygie, the freaking, Bond, Star Wars, somebody needs to snatch this guy up quick. Every franchise. Someone needs to.

And now the question also is, there's also rumors that he was difficult to work with, and that's why they, that was rumors going around. I don't know how true it is or not. No. It was really oddly. It doesn't seem like.

Well, also the way it was formatted, which is a weird thing to say. But when the leak came out, it was literally like a word document someone wrote. And then it was never verified beyond that. So who knows it was true? I was writing a paper. And I was like, I literally saw a screenshot of like a word doc from like a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. I was like, the source is what? And like nothing beyond.

The only look, it's not to say that people don't know how to put on a front for like press and stuff like that. But like having interviewed and like met the dude, that, that seems like, like the most not accurate thing in the world, especially because when I went in to go get him, his publicist was like, no, no, we don't have time. We're cutting you. He goes, no, I want to talk to this, dude. Give him three minutes. We won't do a full five or ten, but give him at least three so he can ask me a couple of questions. That doesn't seem like. Right. Well, it was never a follow-up either. Like when that rumor came out of like, I've not heard from anyone that's worked with him. But like you said this, and I don't know the report at all. It could be complete crap.

I'm just to just to plenty of devil's advocate of that, right? It's like not only could he, maybe he's great with, because he like him and he, he loves Schnapp. Like he loves Schnapp. And like he might be just great with the fans. He might be great. His people might be turds. His people might be hard, hard to, 100%. Again, I don't know. It could be absolutely complete horse crap too. But nonetheless, it doesn't also, I think the way that it was handled with him in general, if I'm him going, I don't want to be involved with DC anymore. I did it before. The fact that was no contract for Black Adam, it sounds like. Did you hear about that? No, the whole thing was...

Apparently it was like just a verbal agreement. And I was like, that's not how a giant role like that works. You don't go like, okay, I'll be Superman. Let's shake on it. Like, apparently there wasn't stuff locked in when he came back for that performance. Well, if you watched that interview that he did with Josh Harwitz. Yeah. Right.

He's so proud. He's so proud. And Josh is like, welcome back Superman. He's like, I'm excited. He's talking about. It's like it was announced that he's back because someone told him from maybe that old regime, you're back. Yeah. He was, it's not just a rock.

Yeah. It's like you can't, because then that's how. Henry Cavill's fault. The only person he's listened to is the Rock goes, well, you're back. Oh, cool, man. It's like, you got, I mean, he's paying everybody 20 bucks to get the lights on and the set. He was taken, he was taking meetings with people who told them. And then the new regime came in.

And this is not a James Gun or Safran fault. This is not their fault at all. It's way before. But it's not their fault. You come in, we said this the first thing, too. I would love for Henry to come back and do something else. But if they, if I hire you guys again to do, to, you have a vision, I want you to do your vision. All right, listen, to be honest with you, our vision.

It doesn't include this guy. Like, we love him, but what we want to do doesn't include him. I don't think that Ben Affleck works for the Batman they're doing. And I love Ben Affleck. I don't think Henry Cavill works for All-Star Superman, not because of Henry Cavill, but because of our association with his Superman. It's also 40 years old. And no matter how he plays them, we're going to see,

our brains aren't going to go like, let me erase Man of Steel in this moment because you're going to remember having his Superman before. So if they do a All-Star Superman, which is beautifully altruistic, which I think the world needs right now, your brain is still going to remember the mustache saga no i don't disagree and but the only thing that i'm very curious if you're starting with all-star superman which is the story where he eventually spoiler alert dies at the end how where do you go from me i don't think it's going to be a one-to-one like it's not i think it's going to be interpretation of grant morrison not an adaptation of the story they were

very clear to say they're making supergirl the woman of tomorrow they were very clear to also mention all-star is part of what like shaping it like they they use different language jane was very clear about. So I'm not worried about them being like, you go one, you go one, Super. That's the only thing for like half a second, because I even with the title legacy. There is a level of like, you know, putting in the Ring of Honor type situation.

And I don't know, you definitely don't want to be like, gods and monsters and Superman's in and he's out. I mean, he's definitely an OP, like, he's an overpowered character to the point where I'm wondering how they're going to use them. Because like in the comics, well, in the comics, oh, 100%, but she's going to be in space. Well, it's the only thing, by the way. It's a struggle.

It's the only one that they announced, though, that has like a beacon of actual hope, even though they said that he, the character is going to seem more like that Christopher Reeve Superman that we knew from, or what Superman is in general, right? In a world where it's essentially putting them in today's world is interesting to me. That's part one. But all the other movies that they announced does seem a little bit more in the darker area, a little bit more of the kind of the dire stuff and more in the James Gunn sensibility stuff, right?

The one that, there's tons of them that sound interesting, but I'll tell you the one that I think, if done correctly is the smartest. And what do you think, knowing me, what do you think I think is the smartest? Not necessarily the one I'm looking for, the one I'm looking forward to the most Superman, but the smartest.

Swamp thing for you. What we think of the smartest movie is? Yeah. No, no, smartest movie or TV show. What's the smartest decision that they made, if done correctly? I'm going to say Paradise Lost. It's a great one, but Swamp Thing.

And I'll tell you why. He's a multimensionable way. It's not, here's the reason why. and I said this the other day, so for Swamp Thing, but it's got to be done the right way. If they approach it like Black Adam, wrong way, right?

And that means here's a movie that is going to already, we're announcing it's going to be a horror movie and more so than Dr. Stranger and this is going to be a horror film. If you look at Slyther and all this stuff, this is going to be a horror film. If you put, if this movie costs anything more

than $60 to $70 million, mistake. You make this movie like Blumhouse and you make this a $40 million dollar movie, then you're making a lot of money. Practical effects, man. Practical effects. And they even said it in the announcement.

They said it in the announcement that it'll be part of the DCU and you'll see how it connects. But it's kind of a, it's a horror movie. And if you can take what they did for Megan or for any of these movies and take that kind of idea of let's turn this into a little bit of a horror film. Start printing money like that's the smart. If they do it this way, what I've always said about Terminator,

They went back to Terminator and made it like 1984. If they did that for this movie, it could really work out. And DC has so much horror. Sorry. No, no, no, you're fine. Do you think you mentioned Blumhouse? Do you approach them as a partnership for the film? You don't need them.

You don't need them. Well, only in the sense that has Warner Brothers done a good job with small? Didn't have James No before. We did Slyther. And look at Blumhouse usually hires the hottest upcoming directors and then lets them do their thing. I think the strength of Blumhouse is they have a long leash. I think they really let their creators do a thing. I think James Gunn is going to be smart enough to let people have a long leash.

Did you see who I tweeted about that might be doing the movie? James Mangled. That's what I, so it's funny. I did. You did. 12.01, he posted it. 12.02, I was glad you brought that up. Yeah, Mangold would be very interesting.

And I think that it's also something for Mangold after he jumps off of, like, the only thing that makes me nervous about it, look, I love James Mangold. And I know I am in the unpopular opinion that I would much prefer James Mangold to do the new Indiana Jones who is doing it than Stephen Spielberg doing it. Because I love Steven Spielberg, but I think those days for him are, I don't think he loves it as much as he does. I don't think you have the passion, Mangold. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So I think that Mangold, the problem is coming off of Indiana Jones, is he going to want to do that kind of plan that I just mentioned?

He might be like someone. I know a lot of directors that do the big one, then they want the small one. That's what I mean. So I'm hoping he wants. But the difference is if you're now playing in a camp, and especially if that movie makes the kind of money we think it is, if you're playing in that kind of camp. Well, my last movie, my last movie,

they just gave me $180 million to make this movie. And it made $500, $600 or whatever, or $700 million. Why, you guys give me what, $40 to make this? Look at what Josh Sweden did after Age of Ultron. He did Avengers than Age of Ultron. It's like, I don't want to touch a big movie. I'm going to film something in my house in black and white. He did that, what's it called, that Shakespeare adaptation,

much to do about nothing for like $6. I'll tell you. And then like my. And then the Moon Night Directors, they literally did like a movie starving themselves next. Like I think you want to run away from Marvel for six bucks and it's comfier. Like you have that freedom. I'll tell you who's going to be doing something for James Gunn for sure.

Just I thought it would probably would have been this, but if man gold is it, I think it's going to be, I think Dave, Dave Yarveski will do. Dave Yorveski and James, he directed Breiper. Oh, he's definitely on the dog at some way. He and Gunner very close friends. Yeah. Very close friends. Let him do swampton.

I'm not saying that Mangold wouldn't kill, but let him do it. That's what I'm saying. James Gunn, James Gunn produced Brightburn. Yeah. So Mangold, give him something in D.C. Give him something. But if you are going this approach, the Blumhouse kind of approach, and again, we're making this up. We don't know if they're going to go that way.

But if they go down that role, which they think they should, give it to Dave. If Dave gets swamps, Dave can make that, that budget work. In my head. And he loves, and the horror type stuff too. Oh, 100%. But can you like, I can hear the trailer like from the producer of Brightburn and Slyther and the director of Logan Swampthen? That's a huge comic cell. And Indiana Jones, dude.

Yeah, but I know, but I know, but I'm, and I'm not going to complain about it. Right, right, right. Mangled's one of my favorite directors working today. I think he's my top ten. Like, he's definitely like, so consistent. I'm so pumped for his Indiana Jones. I cannot read. He got more love past the six months it came out.

I just think going to. big budget with Swamp Thing, if they go like a big budget for Swamp Thing, I think it's a massive error. I think one of the best things about the slate we haven't talked about yet is when you look at these 10 announcements, most of them can be small to mid-budget. I think that's really smart because if you've got Zazlov, tightening, purse strings everywhere. You should. I think that what they're going to do. Blockbusters should be scaled down nowadays anyway. I think they should start flipping them like houses. Like, you know, do a $100 million thing. Put 50 in marketing, make $500. And like, you're not going to make the billion, but if you make $500 off $150, you're in a better

spot more consistently. You can take boulder swings. I think Swamp Thing is a great. I think Swamp thing. I think the authority because you can cast celebrities but the movie can be a little smaller because it's a little more grounded. I think Supergirl is going to be like their Star Wars.

I think Supergirl needs like $200 million dollar budget. Really? Oh dude, it's all space. And it's like the scope of the story is part of the beauty of it because there's so many moments that feel like, we remember in Guardians when they like found

the Eternal's skull, the celestial skull, sorry, the celestial skull and there's that sense of like wonder and power. That's like every frame of this comic. So I think that either they should film it on the void, film it in green screen

or they should just like throw money. If they do a $200 million Supergirl, my vote for Isabel Meg is going to go out the window because there's no chance you're going to put an unknown in a $200 million. Well, Superman's going to be the banking on his name, so they might need to release Superman first and Superville commence under after.

They were already doing that, though. Yeah, but I'm saying like more of a back-to-back. Superman, yeah, yeah, but I mean, well, unless you're, depending on where you introduced. No, you don't need to do that. I don't think you don't need to do that necessarily either, but it's just a matter of if you set up the adventure enough the way that like Marvel did,

and you set up, like you set her up to where, you know, she's going to be involved in it. You can do it any way you want. I just, I don't know. And look, there's a lot of questions. And I think, you know, going back to the Wonder Woman prequel series, or she's not in it, but it's just about the Amazon's, you know, as they, on the, on the island. I love the Game of Thrones reference. I love the true detective reference for the lamp.

It has a smart. It's just a good way to pitch. Absolutely. Well, I mean, but that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed, they're called, I believe the, the, the, the, the move is. It's called what comparisons? It's exactly that. It's like, okay, Paradise Sauce, what is it?

Okay, it is Wonder Woman meets Game of Thrones. Yeah. Lanterns, what is it? It's True Detective meets, you know, the Green Lantern Corps. Like you were supposed to make people. Alien Nation. Like, look at that crossover, exactly. You want them to understand what it is as quickly as possible.

And that sold me because, like, sure, there were bad seasons of Game of Thrones kind of at the end there. There were very bad seasons of True Detective, but at its peak, if you're bringing in its peak and you just happen to be involving DC, like you were printing money. He also was really smart in the presentation to go, comic fans, here's what we're adapting. I said the only thing I wanted to that presentation

was referencing comics because it'll give us that tone as opposed to like movie fans and TV fans, but then he doubled down and was like, here's the comic reference, here's the TV or movie reference. Everyone understands what we're doing, and if you're invested, you can go buy the comics. So not only he's being advertising comics, but you can do the homework if you want

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Go and check out BetterHelp. The link is in the description. Okay, as I mentioned before, into the break there, they're going to start announcing directors. They're going to start announcing people. I think Dave Yereveski is going to be, Yereveski is going to be announced for something.

I mean, I just think he's going to be announced for something. I mean, they're really good friends. He did a great job on Brightburn. He's a really good director. I've had a chance to meet Dave a few different times, too. He's a great guy, and I think he knows acting. He knows directing really well. And I think he's going to do,

he's going to do something with James. If not, if not Swamp thing, like you mentioned, I could see him if it really is going true detective, taking on like a lantern. An episode of lanterns? Or like being like maybe the showrunner on it, if it's something he's interested in. I don't know if he's going to be a show runner though, man. A director, I mean, to direct and then show running a whole show.

But the same way that James Gunn took on Peacemaker. So essentially he's treating it like a, he's treating it like a lot, like a cut up. I know. I think that Dave, Dave is, he's really, really talented director, but he doesn't have the experience. James got that, that, James took over, uh, peacemaker after, you know, doing two Guardians movies and everything too

and I don't think he's at this Dave isn't at the scale yet to do that maybe I'm wrong but I just I think I feel you I mean I don't What has he done movies other than Breitburn? Yeah he's done a ton of different things he said he's and a lot of Horace types of him and James have like a lot of the same kind of Sensibilities and like their horror I get I get it I guess it's just specifically because

I know that that's a peacemaker wasn't thought of as limited series but like limited series stuff because like I think a Wanda vision like yes it is technically still a TV show so things shift a little bit but they they operate like just longer films. You know what I'm saying? And you just find that natural kind of cut versus I'm doing a TV show, TV show. Well, so Dave, Dave Arevesque has done, let's see, he obviously did Brightburn. He did The Hive.

He did Nightbooks. I think the hive, yeah, the Hive was the one that I spoke to him about when he was on, he was on movie three son with me and Tiffany. But he, yeah, Brighton, Gardens of Galaxy, Inferno, he did the music video there. he did he did a lot of music videos is there anything on the writing is there anything on the writing element

I know you're looking at the director stuff let's see writer yeah he did like writer producer the hive guild kind of the same stuff yeah I don't think he's ready for for a show running a show just yeah but again who knows you know who I want them to bring over

any muscietti if the flash is this good if they're literally willing to go through this many hoops and they're saying that it's the best thing since dark night, and I know that's hyperbole at this point in the industry, but I think Mochieti should be someone that would be maybe running on Green Lantern or doing the Superman movie. The reason why I think Mochetti will definitely be doing something with them is what Gunn tweeted out about Mochietti and saying that it was one,

I think he said something like it was like one of the best superhero movies ever. Yeah. I mean, that's that, and that's not, and for Gunn to say that in a movie that's not part of his DCU? And for him to say it when it's complicating his life? 100%. So that's, so that's, that's part one. And then, you know, part two, he specifically mentioned Mushietti inside of that and saying what he has done with it. So I think that that's also like, hey, it's a political thing as well going, hey, we want to give this guy as props because we don't know what the hell we're doing with this movie afterwards. Let's bring this guy into the fray.

I think you're 100% right. Everything I've heard about the movie is praising Muscietti, like to a person, everything I've heard. And back when Mama was coming out, which was, Jesus, 10 years ago now. Mama. I talked to him about comic books back in the Mama days. So 10 years ago, he was excited about comic book movies. So the fact that he didn't get one for another eight years, and now he's had all of this go on with it,

I think he would want to have something with a little less controversy attached. So staying in-house, I think that's the move. Bro, this has to be, this has to be the greatest superhero movie about that. At this point, based off of not only the drama with Ezra, but all of the hype that every single person that's seen it has been like, this is the greatest thing I've ever. Like, to the point where I'm now getting,

I'm getting nervous. Right. Can it be that good? You know what I'm saying? Because if it is not, then there's a certain level of like, if y'all don't shut your hands. It's like when no way home was coming out

and I was like, I'm getting too hype. Like I was getting a little worried to come to like November. I was like, there's no way. And then I watched it. I was like, oh, okay, good. I can actually be this excited. It's also a win-win though for gun.

Oh, yeah. Because like if it's not good, you don't like it, fine. Don't worry about it. It's like this has nothing to do with us anymore. Literally what I think Alcoman is. I think Aquaman is. I think Aquaman being in December,

Aquaman is literally like, hey, I love you, Mamoa. And if it doesn't do well, you're Lobo. The meeting at Warner Bros. could have been like, hey, this doesn't clear 700 million, you're Lobo. If it does, you're staying Aquaman. Like, he might just have an investment no matter what. And I honestly think that that's the benefit for all these actors is, I know it's complicated.

I know there's a lot of people mad that Gunn works with his friends, but Gunn also works with everyone. It's just his friends are in multiple things because they work well together. So I think it's going to be really tricky when casting comes out. That's the thing I'm more curious about is, I think directors like Mushietti and like the, you know, the guy that did Brightburn, those are, are almost guaranteed. But which actors that we know, like, Guardians actors only wanted to stay at Marvel for gun?

Well, who are we going to hear? Let's start a boost to go. I don't think Pratt comes in. Oh, I don't think so, but it's funny that he would work. If Pratt wasn't Star Lord, I think it's almost a guarantee that he could have gun. People are talking about Glenn Powell, man. I like, oh, Hansen McHansomstein from a game. Maverick.

He's from, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting. He's my Hald Jordan. If you're going to do that, I do like Glenn Powell, but if you're going to do that just from the douche back, I know he played a good douche in Maverick, but I actually see Teller being able to do that a little better than Booster Gold. I don't know.

I think Powell's perfect. I think, he's already got the flight license. I think, but he's just done two flight movies. He did devotion and he did the... I like devotion, too. Yeah, but he just... I think that he's got more of a look from what I've seen in the comics for Booster Gold. He's got more of that kind of Hollywood kind of love than Miles Teller is kind of like, you know...

He's a guy. Jonathan Majors is John Stewart, Glenn. Too well known. Put him back in the sky. I think Miles Teller's too well known right now. Glenn Powell is still like, wait, who's, who? You know, you say Miles Taylor, who knows Miles Teller. Glenn Powell is, is on the precipice of being, of being that.

Who's the guy from Game Night, the blonde guy that show? I know exactly who you mean. He's exactly Booster Gold. He's got that drone white smile. That's a great call. The quaff of hair. It's a great call. He's a bit of a douche and movies.

And he's been in other stuff too. And he's so talented. He's right on the cost. I'm going to get his name because that. Because he's my booster goal. Game Night. Dude, he's, look at this guy and tell me he's not booster goal. He is, he is fantastic.

That's a really good, really good. He's also such good comedic genius. He's good for long form for TV. And honestly, I think that he's the guy that's been almost a breakout for like five years. Somebody played somebody in something recently. Come on. I honestly, this is one of my favorite casting moments. Billy Magnuson.

Yeah, Billy Magnuson. And he was also, what was he in recently? Look at that face. Oh, he would be perfect. I remember. What else was he in? No time to die. That's what it was.

He was in no time to die. His smarm is, I can, I can feel it. Yeah, so he's, he's got a lot of things coming out. He's got, um, he's, Harley Quinn and the Joker. Hey, he's in house. He's in house. Um, he's going to be in Roadhouse, but he's in, he was in the offer. He was in, um, woke.

He was in no time to die. He was in the many states in Newark. That's right. He's, Paulie Walnuts. He's Paulie Walnuts. He was Paulie Walnuts. He was in the many scenes in Newark. Um, and he was, oh, he was one of the princes in Alaska.

Oh, that's right. That's what you do. That's what I was thinking of. Yes. Dude, he's perfect. Because I just watched that with my little one. That's great. That's great.

As much as... Penny is the right point, right level his career. It's really good. He could do it for five years. Go ahead and tweet that out right now. Yeah, I think it's perfect. I did, I tweeted that James Gunner.

I never do the casting choices thing, but for Isbel May, I was like, Isabel May for Supergirl. And I got a lot of people who are like, that's a great call. I got some people are like, why are you going to recast? If you're going to recast, if you're ready a supergirl,

I'm like, if they're going to recast, Take it easy. No one's saying it. Because I'm almost like, why do you want to take a Latino girl out of the thing? I'm like, if she's great, keep her in. If they're going to not recast, then don't recast her.

If she's the best one for the role, then absolutely she should lead the movie. 100%. I haven't seen her. I'm telling you if they recast. This is someone they should consider as well. I made a nine second TikTok fancasting for fun because I really liked him in Umbrella Academy,

the half Romani, half Irish actor, Aidan Gallagher, who I think would be perfect five years ago. He's a little old now, but like Aden Gallagher in Umbrella Academy is Damien Wayne. And he's half Romani, half Irish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The amount of people that are like, you white boy that only wants white people. And I was like, I don't want to come back with like why I think he is because you guys are also angry. But I got like 40,000 views on this TikTok. And I'm like, I don't want to get

controversy to feed my stuff. But that's how the internet works. And it was so, it was so sad to see like people anger fueling this thing. I think it goes for both sides. It's like, and it's like, you get the bigots that like if you, if you, if you suggest someone, you know, a person, of color. You're just someone that's not true to the character. Like, if the person

is a good actor and can bring out the essence of the character, who gives a shit? And it's got to go both ways, though. When I said Sterly K. Brown for Superman,

because he is Clark and Superman, the amount of crap I got because like, but that's what I'm saying, both sides are mad at me. 100%. It's got to go both ways.

It's like there could still, if you suggest someone for the roles, like, why is it got to be a white person? If it's the right person for the role, depending, and look, but there also should be times

that you should consider everyone's like, oh, the person was always white, they should be white. No. It's like, who is the right person for it? Yes. And their point their career business wise and this isn't a superhero thing. But that's why it was so wild to me that people took such like umbrage to Haley from Chloe Haley to be the Little Mermaid because it is clearly these people have A, never seen her act and B never heard her sing. She can sing the she is one of the greatest singers of a generation.

She brought the house down at D-20. It was one of the biggest moments of the entire weekend. She had the essence of the character. And guess what? If you don't like this version of the character, then watch the animated one. You still got the animated one. It's like if they saw everybody and they said, this is the girl who brings in the essence of Ariel,

then that's fine. Then it works. Now, you're also allowed to say when you're watching it, I don't know if that seems like the same type of thing I liked about Ariel. I didn't like her performance. You're allowed to say that. And if you say it the right way, then you can say it.

it in a way that you're not being racist. You're being someone who doesn't like the performance. Now, if you say it because, oh, Ariel's not black, well, then you'd be in a big. And I've been fully terrified of even saying, like, he's half Romani, half Irish, because I don't know enough about, like, what it means to be Romani. Like, I know it's Southeast Asian.

But, like, I literally don't know enough, so I'm afraid of someone being like, well, that's this way of racist. So I'm just like silently like, I think he's good because he's talent. It's just, well, that's the same thing. Like I said, when I, I, said, Isabel May for the majority of,

the majority of people that were like, Oh, that's interesting casting. It could be really good. And the people are like, why do you need another white person in there? I'm like, I'm telling you just I wanted the actress to be considered. Yeah.

Just someone to be considered. And if, once again, if, and give me the actress again, who's playing Supergirl and, um, Sasha Call, I think for last image. And again,

if we see Sasha Call and she is just the best. And they're like, and they clearly set up, this is how she's going to return in it. And it makes sense. And they're keeping her. Let's do it. Yeah.

Give me a Sasha Cal, uh, Supergirl movie. and when it comes out, let's do it. If she's the right one for the role and she's going to kick ass the way people think she is, 100%.

But it's okay to suggest anyone if they're right for the role. So here's another thing that's very interesting. Just since we're talking about casting and all this kind of stuff, it's very interesting that Saffrin then further doubled down about Batgirl like the day after.

And how... I was so surprised how... I was too, especially with it being like, you know, hats off to Zazloff here. This was like... And the one thing he emphasized, but it wasn't in the headlines, but he did say it in the quote. Give a little more history to people so they don't know. So for anybody that it's not aware of, Batgirl was being filmed.

It was originally going to be streaming. Then it was going to go to theaters. And then Zazlov last year pulled the plug. Without releasing it instead for a tax credit. Right. Just for the tax credit. Everybody's pretty upset, especially because you're like, okay, you have a woman of color playing Batgirl. You have all this kind of interesting elements being there.

So they're like, what's going on here? So you had multiple people, some being like we're proud of our. work, but a lot of people being like, it's not great. So Safran, the day after the gun announced a Wednesday, then had an interview that came out about how he was like, Zazov was correct to pull this movie. And the main thing that he kept, like, emphasizing was it wasn't just the tax credit thing. This actually helped a lot of the people involved. He said it would have hurt. If it had come out, it would have hurt every once. And I think that that in it of itself, this is why I was so upset with Zazloff and the way that that played out, if you do not have the wherewithal

to let people know that, you just look like the asshole that canceled a Latina black girl that happened to be coming out right not, but yet other things are still in the worst. If you let people know, look, I'm not trying to ish on people, but this movie would not do good things for the directors. It would not do good things for the actress. Yeah, I don't think he's got that kind of... The bedside manner we talked about. He's got terrible bedside manner. He does, and I agree with that's probably what should have been done, but I don't think he also has the, you know, the wherewithal to say at the point like, well, who are they going to listen to me? Like, Saffron comes out to the head of D.C. and says honestly, basically, in brass

tax, this is a bad movie. Yeah. This is a bad movie. And right before, like, it was the right decision, right? And it's like, I've, hence, I don't call him Zoloft anymore because his, his decisions lately have been good. What he's, the way that he's running it and the way that he's trying to recoup a lot of losses and stuff, it's good. I think he still think he's got a really bad bedside manner. But I think that he's also done the right thing and things that I think other companies should do is like, okay, look, because of what you just said, I got to stop trying to do that. I need people who can do that for me. And so what should have been said that ultimately was said by Saffron was because

Zazlov put someone in place that would say that. Now, granted, had that Saffron been there when all this was going on or in play, maybe then the next day, Saffron was the one who said. Honestly, I think that's a benefit of the Saffron gun combo is their bedside manner is both great. Like Gun, we talk about all the time being a great showman. He was great on camera. I loved his excitement with each post. He was like, and we're doing Supergirl. Like, he was a kid in a candy store. And then you've got Safran, who is a more reserved producer who's, I don't if you've ever seen Safran speak. He's so glowing with excitement, but he's more, like, he's calm while being exuber. So I like that Gunn and Safran have different energies. So you've got

Zazlov like being like cold, but then you've got these two guys that are like, let's make some art. But that's why I think that's what balances me about. But that's why I give Zazlov credit. because it's like, because he tired of people that didn't have to do it because now you notice when that back girl stuff was happening

all that everyone's focus was on that guy no one's talking about him now. He doesn't want people talking about him. They're talking about gun, they're talking about Saffran. That was the smart move by him. And knowing what we now know, that got canceled,

what, last summer, right? Yeah, something like that. You were already in talks to lockdown gun and Saffirite and at some point somebody was going to be able to take... Not at that point. Oh, no.

No, no, Saffron and Gun came out late, dude. Remember, they had Todd Phillips. They had Todd Phillips in line before them, and that happened. The Bat Girl stuff happened before even... The Bat Girl happened in July, right? Yeah, they didn't lock, they didn't lock Saffron and Gunn down until... They weren't even talking to them yet? No, I think they were talking. I mean, but not in, not in serious talk as far as them running it. How about this? It's not that you specifically had Gunn and Safran in mind. You had in mind that you were going to put in D.C. studio head in place and they'd be in charge of doing this. I think what's happening at that. time. You don't have time to wait for that, to cut that girl for the, otherwise the tax thing's probably not going to happen. So you just have to make the hard cut. But I think that's the big thing. I think it's very smart of him to have hired the right people to say the things that need to be said and do the things that need to be done. It's just, I guess if you're an emergency situation, you just have to do the things you have to do. He just looks so bad. He was killing a lot of stock for a minute. Yes, because that's not his strength, and he knew that. That's why I give him, and if you go back and you watch, we, especially me, we were very, I went hard on him, right?

But, like, but it's, again, I hate always doing this to where you bring it back to, like, the Star Wars and Lucasfilm, it's like the thing that I wish, and I know that it's a different because Zazlov is essentially where Iger is. That's the two, but in comparison, like Kennedy, Kennedy runs as the president of Lucasfilm, I wish that Kennedy would do what Zazlov is doing for the creative and all that kind of stuff. But instead, she just keeps on taking all these things. And the same stuff keeps happening as opposed to where Zazlov makes this move inside of a back girl, does the things where we all agree, did it poorly.

But then goes, I don't want to do this anymore like this. I can't do this. I got to make the moves. And I got to be the one running around doing all this other stuff. And he did it up front. He right at the top went, let's cut our losses. I got to be bludy. I got to make the thing.

I don't, like, I can't explain why I did it. I need someone else to explain why I did it. And then, hey, Saffron was probably on the lot watching that screening going, woof, this is brutal. Yeah. You can't put this out. Oh, God, I just realized who Kathleen Kennedy and what Lucas films with Star Wars has been. You're the goddamn Dallas Cowboys. Maybe, yeah, right.

She's very Jerry Jones with it where I want to have my hand in every single thing. And sometimes you have banger. Sometimes you end up with an Andor or a Mandalorian. And then you end up with the sequel trilogy in the playoffs and you just blow it. Right. A boboboffat. Oh, God. Who knows how long James Gunn had to pitch

like to get all this locked in. And if the bat family's coming, then Batwoman, that would be a mess with Bat girl with Barbara Gordon with all those things. And if they're trying to clean up continuity, they're already worried about the four films that have coming out.

If you've got also a member of the Bat family that's soft introducing that expanded world because the cleanness of Batman right now is we haven't had a bat family since Chris O'Donnell was Robin other than on TV at times. We haven't had them. So right now the main thing people have been lobbying for is Bat family.

Everyone's been wanting Robin. If you watch the Batman commentary, like everyone was like Patinson should get a Robin. Everyone wants the Robin. So you've got dark and gritty Batman with Patinson. What's the best way to keep those things separate? Have a lighter Batman. The thing we didn't talk about was Damien Wayne being so dark actually kind of makes Bruce a little lighter. So that's a Bruce that'll fit in with the Justice League better.

Whoever they cast, that's going to mesh in that world better. You are going to have an older Batman with a younger Superman. And that'll be interesting because it'll probably be like five, ten years. But I've seen that conversation. But what's interesting to me is that if we'd had a bat family soft introduced with Batgirl, and then a year later announce a bat family this way, it might have cost us Nightwing. It might have cost us Damien Wayne.

It might have cost us that expanded world. And then that'd be way more complicated with the side world of Patinson. So I think long term, good move, short term, messy. I also think because you've introduced, you're doing a Supergirl movie, the title of Superman is Superman legacy. I know we're mainly pulling from All-Star.

And then you have Batman the Brave and the Bold, which a lot of times will tap other heroes, not necessarily a bat family, but you could always pivot that way. I feel like you have a situation. for Damien to come along, you kind of need the other Robbins and backgirl who have been there. In order to, if you're doing legacy like that and you're bringing in Supergirl, there's nothing to stop you from bringing in the various Kryptonians that might be involved too. And you're kind of introducing the families because you're right, it's both the bad family and even the soups family that people have wanted for a minute.

And I think that that's a nice way that you can kind of give people that, give little homageous, but then you can set other stuff up in the future. I also think Superman's going to be like in his mid-20s because he's already working at the daily planet. He's already dating Lois, it seems like. there's a Jimmy Olson relationship. I think he's going to be established, just not in his 40s, and then I think Batman's probably gonna be like 30. Because Damien Wayne's like eight.

So if you've got like... They're not gonna make Damian eight. There's no chance. Probably like 10. He's gonna, I bet she'd make him 15. Really? Well, I mean, part of it's how young he is,

because it's like, it's like kick ass. You would literally need to try and go find a Chloe, Grace Metz and get, because she was what? About 12 when she did that, but she was playing like an eight or nine-year-old. You kind of almost need to do that

because if the point is to do this in the long term, you know how fast kids grow. If you make them 15 and Damien typically is a mid to young teenager. It's going to be interesting. All right, look, there's so much. We really could talk about this for another three hours. But like, there's so many things that we talked about here, and there might be a lot of stuff that we missed out on.

What did you guys think overall of any of the topics that we talked about today? Make sure that you comment and let us know your thoughts on all this stuff and more. before we get out of here, I do want a reminder again that you can get those tickets to with myself and John and Greg links in the description and also myself and Brett

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So check out at Coy Jondro. I think that's at TikTok and Twitter and all that work. It's just my name on YouTube, TikTok, Twitter. And I'm probably going to be at Megacon, Orlando. So if you guys are in Florida at the end of next month, I will be there and just find me on the internet. I'm so excited about this announcement. I just put out every comic you should read if you like that announcement. So it's like two or three comics per announcement.

So there's like 30 books and two videos on my YouTube. So if you want to read some comics, I got you. Well, you're supposed to bring me that Batman comic and you didn't do it. All right. Oh, I got that and pizza. It's for a pizza soon. All right. Thank you guys who join us.

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