The Kristian Harloff Show - The Deadpool + Wolverine Popcorn buckets set the internet on fire. Great marketing or a reach?

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

Deadpool and Wolverine will have amazing marketing. Well they have already been at it. We all know about the infamous Dune 2 popcorn bucket. Well, today there is a filthy Wolverine Popcorn bucket. Is this one of the genius marketing ploys. Will it worjk? Can marketing really help the box office? Antony Starr discusses why Homelander would beat up Superman and also addresses the DC Booster Gold rumors. Scarlett With movie? Gincarlo as a villain again? This and more on a thursday episode of The Boig Thing with Kristian, Winston an Coy.

It's capes and cows. It's the big thing, and we got a lot to chat about. Anthony Starr, that's right, Anthony, Anthony, Starr. He says he weighs in on that big debate. Can Homelander beat up Superman? And to no one's surprise, he says, of course he can. So we'll have that debate here. Who do you think would win?

Homeland or Soups. We'll have that conversation. There's a Deadpool popcorn bucket kind of spoofing on the Dune thing and it's funny. So we'll discuss that. We'll talk about that. There's other rumors about John Carlo Esposito about what he actually might be in.

Apparently, Scarlett, which has something else coming out that we didn't know about? Is directors attached to it? What the hell's going on? That and more. There's more to chat about, but I think those are the things that we're going to really chime in today.

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That's where we're at. It's Capes and Cows. Let's do it. Here we go. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen to the show. It's me, Winston, and boy. It's capes and cows.

Thanks a good at us, guys. Are you eating it over there? He's excited. Man's got pizza in his heart. Skirt, skirt, skirt! Yeah, that's it. Which one is that? Oh, that's from that Saturday, I live there's a year.

Yeeat, eat, eat, skirt. It's a very funny sketch. That is one of my favorites. And then Questlove coming over and slap up the shit. Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. I like that one. That was, it came back and said, it's been a little, there's been some funnier stuff for the last year, but that was during the time where not a lot of stuff was funny at all.

Yeah, it was a highlight. That was when Pete was still on the show. That was the Timothy Shalamee hosting episode. It was a very good episode. It was a very good. I thought the gossiping episode was good. I didn't see the Jake Gyllenholm one yet. It's not good.

Oh, that's a shame. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? Yeah. Byer Rudolph was great. Typically anybody that they bring back that was a cast member, they normally crush. Look, you can't, it's, I tune in here.

Now I get it the same way other people do is that through viral clips. Yeah, what I know did well? I already to review and be like, what's the five best best, clips and I hate that about myself. I watch it every time it comes out. And part of that is because since I've been really focusing on like late night jokes and stuff like that, it's just watching the weekend update and just seeing the masters do it is just very, like,

good homework for me. Sure. I watch it every time. But yeah, it's very hit or miss. It's either they crush or like I thought that both what Jacob Allorty and Sidney Sweeney when they were both individually on there that was not good at all. Okay. But then like, oh my God, Danos, why is my brother?

Josh Bowlin's genius. Josh Rowland was hysterical. And it's weird. I love the Roland episode because of how weird Brolin's humor is, but it works for this show. It worked so well. And so was, um, his books are amazing. If you ever read any of his writing, he's genius.

Yeah, he's got a photography book and his Instagram. He writes like novels under the captions. And sometimes I just like read like it's Carawak. I just sit and read Brolin poetry. Yeah. No, dude. And then A. A.O.

Oh, yeah. She was. So there was a character she did where she's in a classroom. And she's playing a boy. And he's, he's closeted. And so he, like in the class,

someone, they're like, oh, we heard that somebody is secretly like, no, not everybody know in my secret that I love all the boys. It's all about, like,

it is, she is one of the funniest people in Hollywood right now, to be honest with you. I'm excited for Inside Out too, in part because of her. Who is she anxiety? She's, uh,

anxiety. Yeah. Okay. She's, wait, she's anxiety? I thought that there was, Maybe she's envy.

She's someone in a new cast. I think anxiety is Ethan Hawke's kid. Oh, Maya Hawk would make sense too. I think it's envy then. But yeah, I'm excited for Inside Out too, which it wasn't until CinemaCon. Yeah, I mean, Inside Out too, it's that movie to me I'm excited for

because it's my oldest who's 12, almost 13 years old. I took her to see the original one when she was kind of Riley's age. Perfect. So it's her toy story. It's like her rolling up. And it's funny because as she got older,

which is like, ah, I'm too old, like Inside Out. And then I took her to see F. And she's like, all right, that's right. I feel like we grew up with Toy Story being our age, and then they're going to have Inside Out, which is interesting. For sure. Well, we got a lot to discuss. And I think that the first one is, let's, we're talking about Saturday a lot.

We're talking about comedy. Let's stick with comedy. Let's stick the idea of what Deadpool is doing and the marketing of what they've done thus far and this popcorn thing. So, you know, take a look at this. Koi, give me a breakdown of what this whole thing's about. Okay, so in an age of marketing, you have to stand down above the rest. And frankly, the way- Above the crowd, how dare you?

How we- I was going to shout out loud. But I did the lyrics right. I'm not going to let you do this. But I think the genius use of this marketing is it kind of leans into the dune bucket. It leans into the absurdity. And it also, like, makes you aware that we're about to have toy stores at movie theaters. It's going to be a melee. I think there's, with certain movies, I think we're about to get like 20 to 30 pieces of merch.

I think it's about to shift. I think that's the shift we're about to see. It makes sense, like a wrestling event. Yeah, is what they do. Sell like to figure everything that they can do to make more money. I think. You got to do it. That's my hot take of the week is that movie theaters are about to become ban merch vestibules.

It's not crazy. I think we're going to get toys. I think we're going to get buckets that are going to be collectibles. I think we're going to get exclusive chase variants. The only problem with that, though, the only problem with that is that in a movie like this. Okay. Oh, I'm saying four movies a year. Yeah, but like T-shirts.

And what if you make a bad choice on what you make toys for? Then you got a whole, look, I've made shirts for showdown. They're still sitting in my garage. It's like the Super Bowl. You send them to some horrible, like, I guess, yeah, but the thing is, it's a patch of land. But I'll tell you in the way that Warner Brothers or whoever, Disney's going to be a lot more upset than I was.

And I was like, I was spent $300 in a shirt. I've just sold 20 of them. And it's like so. That's fast fashion fear. Yeah, but I think if you make like, you know, a few hundred in large in Excel and like 50 mediums per theater. No, no, we'll tell me about the... So the bucket itself is a beautiful, you know, a glory hole of emotion and buttery goodness.

It's very visually appealing to both the Merck and Wolverine. I think there's going to be a second bucket. I think we're going to see a Wolverine design a Deadpool bucket that's going to be even more grotesque. So this, I don't know, I'm just excited. I think marketing is a huge asset to Deadpool. And this, I mean, we're talking about a popcorn bucket. It's working. So, yeah, I think you're right, though.

I think when it comes to the marketing for this, movie is Ryan Reynolds knows how to market. He's very good at marketing. This is going to be already the way they're doing it. My, I always raised the red flag with marketing because and I'll contradict what I'm about to say in a second.

Fall guy. I thought it did good marketing. It had some of the best marketing that has been done. But the trailer wasn't amazing. The marketing was. Oh yeah, the marketing was. Some of the best, I'll tell you the same. But some of the best marketing maybe that is,

that is, that has happened. happened in film in quite a while. But besides that, I think you're right, though, is that it doesn't matter how much good marketing you have. If the interest is not there, it's not going to start good you marketing. It'll grow interest. Right.

Now, Deadpool will bring this already interest in it. So you continue to, oh, yeah, that's right. That's coming out as opposed to, wait, what's he? Oh, has beavis and butt out at the premiere? What? Bidson and Budhead thing, all the stunt shows they did, the universal stuff, the amount line. I mean, everything.

So they did that, that big entrance that he did on, Was it Fallon? Yeah, they did the South by Southwest three months early and they did a stunt show then. Like, it was a three-month campaign. It also might have been too long. Yeah. So here's my pushback.

Like, I only knew about the fall guy because I'm in the industry and we've talked about this and whatnot. That every single person that I know that isn't in this was like, what the hell is the fall guy? And I even, they were like, did they market this at all, including people going. It's just,

it was ranked as one of the top ones of quite a while. But that's, but what's funny about that, again, I would say, We knew and maybe marketers. Well, but wait, but the thing is, the reason why, and I'm going to the point that what's interesting about that is not,

that to me is more of an interesting because of an interesting, because was there any marketing for it? Yeah, it was on some of the biggest late night talk shows ever. Which is what we watch. It's on all these different things. It's on clips. It's viral clips. It's all these things.

So the question is not whether it was marketing. It's whether people are paying attention to the market. But I guess part of that, too, is like, for example, I was like the first major thing of marketing they did was the presentation of, of Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt at the Oscars. And remember, because that was him being like, I got to leave Ken behind. And she's like, I got to leave behind Oppenheimer and them fighting.

But that was like, but you know, our new movie, the fall guy. Literally when I mentioned that two folks when they're like, I've never heard of this, I was like, that was it started. They're like, that was what they were doing. I had no idea what was going on. And then two weeks later, South by Southwest. And then that's only in in-house kind of though. Like do regular people pay attention to it.

So that's what I'm saying on top of the fact that, look, late night shows still do decently well, but they don't do as much. much gangbusters at this point that like a lot of TikToks and stuff like that do. They had social accounts. I had all that. But that stuff truly, because we'll go to a rabbit hole. It's irrelevant because they spent a lot of money on marketing. Of course.

So the problem is no one saw the movie. And this kind of marketing, you know, people will see this movie. And I think we all agree that because the interest is there. And as you're talking about with your friends in the, like what's fall guy? As opposed to, this is not a lot of people saying what's Deadpool. I don't think marketing can start the flame. I think it can only fan it. That's right.

I think you need to have some baseline knowledge in order for the flame to grow through marketing. But what's harder and harder in today's climate with movies is how do you get that first spark of interest? How do you start the flame of all this? You got to, in my opinion, you got to hit the things that you know for a fact that people are just like, I feel like every single movie that ever gets advertised during the NBA playoffs and especially in the final. So right now they're doing bad boys, right or die. One, bad boys is a franchise that people know, but like it sticks out because all of a sudden now you're seeing Jimmy Butler. It wants to be a bad boy.

And so then that becomes a thing. because Fall Guy did not have an association with anything, I get what you're saying, that they went on the late night, they had the ticket, but like, had it been, what's a major TV event that's happened recently that, like, everybody was kind of watching, if anything, is it? But even you were you saying, like, let's say, let's say the Super Bowl was during that time.

Yeah, I still don't think it would have made a difference. I think it would have. No, it wouldn't have made a difference. Because people, because of what you just said before, the interest just wasn't there for the movie. It doesn't matter where that marketing is. People didn't have, like, you brought up those bad boys, brought up Deadpool, people know those movies.

And this is the longer conversation I've been having on this show all week, is that when you are choosing now, it's not like we were growing up when we were like, oh, it's a movie coming out. I would just go and pick off the board. Yeah, not now. People now say, oh, okay, fall guy's coming out, afts is coming out, Furios is coming out,

and for kids, I got If and I got Garfield, I can only spend money on one movie, what am I taking? I know family guy that I've talked to before on Patreon and everything too And he says I wanted to see apes because again I'm invested in the franchise I knew I was going when I'm taking his is is Kids and his wife with him anyway But he that's what he chose and he chose so worried that only franchise is surviving And I get the cost but I I'm so worried that it has to be recognizable in order to sell

Everything will survive is whether there's theories survives in a theater The theaters may not or the runs on theaters may be short because like for example I think the best movie that I've seen in recent memory is actually babes. That movie is hysterical. But again, I had no idea what it was until my girlfriend goes, do you want to go see babes? I was like, what is that? And she just goes, oh, it's Alana Glazer has like a, like a buddy comedy. And I was like, oh, okay. And it's hysterical. But again, smaller film. With things like A list, it's just, to me, it makes more sense to see as much as you can. Sure. And then like be a movie go, if you're a movie go, like, I'm not judging people

that aren't. But if I've got 25 bucks a month, I see four things, that's cheap. Six bucks is But again, while we're on the same page about that, I think it's exactly what Christian has brought up previously. If you're dealing with families, if you can go, okay, we know we're going to want to see at least one to two movies so that that's 25 ahead. So it makes more sense to do that than to just let's buy the individual tickets. But otherwise, if you're like, we're going to a movie a quarter essentially, then...

That's what is. Well, look at the movies again that we... And I know, look, people are going to be like, oh, you're talking about this again? The answer is, yeah, because it's so relevant to what's going on right now. And it's relevant, but it's also relevant to Deadpool will... I had the whole show I did with Mike on on Wednesday was whether or not Deadpool and Wolverine could essentially save the summer movie season right now the

movies one movie came I don't think one movie can but it can certainly put a boost back and that was ultimately where the conversation went is that you have to have the other movies that the movies that I think will actually breathe life back into the summer I think that Deadpool Wolverine will put a billion dollars into the box office and that will help and it'll be big I think Despicable Me Four is going to be a movie that gets... $7.00 your family. Inside Out is going to do a lot of money.

And we're talking about the entire... The rest of the year, you got Sonic 2, you got... Or 3, yeah, yeah. You got Sonic 3, you got Mufasa. You have these movies, you have all these movies that are aimed towards children because the difference is where movies have become... Regular movies in general have become less event things for people, whether they... Might be for us still, but they're less event for people.

Or maybe it's even more so that it's more of an event for people. Because it has to be so... It has to be every once in a while. But it's more so when it's definitely an event for families because there's not a lot of options throughout the year. Yeah. There's a lot of options throughout the year for other movies. I still think that it would be very smart,

since all of these studios have streamers at this point, build something into your streaming package where you get like one or two tickets to a movie theater as your subscription and you could set it for every three months, so essentially a quarter of a window longer. And so then you're not only encouraging people, to go and however that plays out and obviously the movie theaters are less making their money off the tickets and more off the concessions anyway so if you already know you have a free ticket then you're more willing to buy food and stuff that you're there but you're just getting bodies into the seats and then the word of mouth goes hey oh you know I had a free ticket I want to see fall guys that's actually great that movie was fire you should because literally the reason I went to babes is because someone else recommended it to my girlfriend so it's the same thing if it's not a major IP that everybody's going to know about you need the word of mouth at this definitely yeah and and and definitely not going to go into this the way we always do with lower budgets,

because that's, that's, that's, that's a, major part of it. Did you know that Blade update? What's that? Another, another Blade update. The Blade is going through a substantial rewrites again, and now they're looking at 50 to $70 million budget, but, uh,

that movie's supposed to shoot like that. That's supposed to come out next year. I actually think I did hear that. Um, and if it's the one movie that's going to be moved again, it's probably going to be Blade, which I think is, is not great,

but it's the one movie that where it's aimed at could move. Yeah. But I did hear that it was going to be lower and that's good. Because they're looking for a male, villains, I guess, Nomiya Gauth or she's going to be a different role. And just lower the cast. I watched that trailer that we talked about on the show

with Mike the other day and it was the Wolf's trailer with Brad Pitt and George Clooney. They're both probably producers on the movie. Their fee for acting in it is probably not that high, right? You got John Watts directing the movie. And then there's Amy Ryan, who's great actress, but she's not super high priced. No one else in the movie is recognizable.

Yeah. Probably all good actors, but nobody else is recognizable. But you sell it on Brad Pitt and George Clooney. And you make... And you give them back end points, so then they're more inclined to use all the powers that they have. And they produce the movie. Look at Air, man. Air is a great example how to make a new low budget movie, but like even the crew got paid better because they split. Because that movie didn't, and it, and everyone was like, oh, it didn't do well in the theater. It's like, that wasn't the intention. It wasn't the goal. It was to reestablish what the crew is

going to get paid and how to distribute money. I think we need to look at money distribution in the studio system, and we need to look at marketing distribution in the studio system. And we need to look at what the theater versus streaming relationship's going to be, if any of it's going to survive. Yeah, but it is going to say a lot about, well, we'll play the doom and gloom side of this also, which is an unlikely scenario to which I think, I will say, is nearly, nearly impossible, but not impossible, but nearly impossible. Let's say Deadpool bombs, right? Can you imagine? That's, that's what I mean, though. There's no world where that happens, but I'm saying, let's say it does. That is catastrophic not only for Marvel, that is catastrophic for the box office. That's,

is catastrophic for movie theaters, if it happens. Marvel Jesus is a real assessment. Like, Ryan is. Like, this is a big deal. Movie Jesus. Yeah. You're giving me anxiety because the maps have been... Only too much of Benjish. The maps have been up 3-0. As we're recording this on the Thursday, they had lost game four.

And now I'm like, yeah, we're going to close it out. But this fear in the back of my head that the Timberwolves finally are the first team ever to overcome a 3-0, that's the same fear you're giving about Deadpool that if somehow... Somehow. Somehow. Yeah, I mean, like I said, and as Kevin Garness, is anything is possible? possible. My only concern with that, but my only concern is it's not out for another two months

and they have to keep this fever pace. I don't want that to feel like we've already known about it for six months. That's my only concern. Yeah, but you look at No Way Home, look at these other movies. They had the same, they had the same challenge. And they haven't shown any Easter eggs yet. They haven't shown a lot of like cameos. That's good. This is, this is a, this one is, this is more about the conversation that we've had on this show. What happens next after, for Marvel is what happens next. And then I think as far as the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the ticket sales for movies for the summer movie anyway. Inside Out will be,

Bad Boys is the next test and then Inside Out. But as far as Deadpool goes, guys, what do you think, man? Do you think that this marketing will also help? That's really what it is. This marketing for this is more so, yeah, they're going to sell this thing and it'll be funny and people will be a, people will get a kick out of it. But it also brings awareness to the theater. So do you think that this is a good marketing tool?

Do you think it's on brand? We feel like it is. but if you don't, let us know if you do, let us know. But staying on par with Deadpool Wolverine, there's something that Hugh Jackman said about why he stepped away from the character in the first place after Logan. It's pretty interesting. Here's this.

Deadpool and Wolverine star Hugh Jackman reveals why he gave up the role. I was like not enjoying it. Josh Wilding. When Hugh Jackman bid farewell to Wolverine in 2017's Logan, it was unclear what 20th century Fox had planned for the Claude Mutant moving forward, had the Disney Fox merger not happened, assuming Dark Phoenix didn't bomb,

the next X-Men movie would have likely shifted focus to the 2000s. Given Wolverine's popularity, we'd imagine the idea was to recast the role, if not there, then definitely somewhere down the line. Fortunately, Marvel Studios and Ryan Reynolds managed to convince Jackman to reprise the role for Deadpool Wolverine. In an interview with people, the actor explained why he walked away from Logan in the first place.

He said, I'd gotten probably to the point in my life 10 years ago. I was like, I'm not enjoying this. It was hurting, it was tough, but I've had a break and I've been doing a lot of dance. I've been doing stage shows and when I came back to it, it was really fun. Confirming he's not missed a step, Ryan Reynolds also chimed in and said, when Hugh Jackman is coming at you on 150 Australian miles per hour,

you feel like there's no way you're not going to be dead in four seconds. And I'll never forget that. And thank God I'm in a mask because under the mask, my face is going, oh God, elsewhere in the profile, the Wade Wilson actor, looked back on his first meeting with Jackman on the set of X-Men Origins Wolverine. I was blown away and I was nervous. as hell, Ryan says. I was walking through the trailers, jet lag, disoriented, feeling really green, and kind of out of my depth, and there was no script to look at, and I was like, what's going to happen?

And I heard my name, Ryan, in between those trailers, and I was walking, and it was Hugh. Just the fact that you knew my name meant a lot to me. And you came over, you gave me a big hug, and you said, welcome aboard. You can hear more about Reynolds and Jackman in the People magazine interview. Okay. I think there's a great interview overall, great clips overall. for obviously the raw honesty. But what I also dug about this, as much as I love the Hugh Jackman clips, I love that Ryan Reynolds

knows when to turn it off. And instead of cracking the jokes and saying, you know, you could have done this, the marketing thing and be like, here we are going back and forth, he was humbled about it. And he said, this guy knew who I was. He knew my name.

I fell out of place. And it shows how close they are and it shows the reason why going back to those comments in the first place. of why Hugh Jackman wanted to do it because they're close. And the idea that he wanted it, and he's been teasing it through the other movies, and he's been teasing it overall that he wanted to come back. So it was probably an easy sell, I would think, for Ryan Reynolds to get him.

Look, let's just do one together. We'll have creative control on how this thing is working. You get to play the character how you want to play it. I'll do it. We'll work together. We'll work with Disney. We'll do what we have to do. Because Ryan Reynolds has a lot of creative control over this thing.

So I love these comments. What did you think? I honestly love to see two guys known for being like, you know, these intense characters being just guys. Like, I love the conversation that wasn't the usual put on character of Ryan Reynolds. Like, I think Ryan Reynolds is one of the best comedic actors, period. And I think he's a very strong dramatic actor. But I also really like the man he is when he shows that. The work he does for charity, the amount he does for, like, individuals.

And Hugh Jackman is obviously one of the sweetest guys in Hollywood. So to see them actually be like, they're softer. side to be their real selves, having a conversation is so earnest. And I think that's another way to market a movie is, you know, I don't want to see all the footage ever. I love the popcorn bucket idea. I love all these ideas. But you've got two guys that are actually interesting as themselves.

What better way to show that than just a conversation? Yeah. He's calling Winston right now. I know what? What do you got? I mean, I really, I really fully enjoyed the conversation between the two of them, specifically, like even talking about, um, not just his own anxiety, but how it's affecting, like, his kids.

And since he's gone through it, Ryan's saying that he knows how to talk them through the anxiety and how life works and all that. And I, again, you called it. He's a master of marketing. And I know that he's being genuine in this conversation, but exactly what Koi just alluded to, you're just giving a whole other reason to care. Another conversation we're having. Exactly.

And that's marketing. And to the point where I sincerely hope that when the final trailer for Deadpool and Wolverine comes out, it looks like they're about to show footage and then Deadpool just walks up you didn't think I was going to spoil the movie did you? I'd be so happy. Of course I will. Just go see it.

If you really want to see it, look, here's the old trailer. I think that would be a genius way to do it. So you're still not giving it away. You still get something new where you're laughing about it. Now all of a sudden you're interested again. You don't need to see any more trailers to that movie.

That's it. I mean, that would be a Disney thing. That would be a studio thing because that's what they always do. And all the number of sale, blah, blah, blah. And you still like that movie Wolves. We've never had a trailer come out

without the, you know, the ticket sale trailer is usually super revealing. Yeah. Tickets went on sale without a trailer. I love that. They did, but the trailer was the same footage. And it was just, that's what I'm saying. But they only did a trailer too. And that was a month before tickets.

And it wasn't anything else. You know what? It's usually, it's not, and that's why I don't watch them. It's usually the ones that reveal the most. TV spots. TV spots are the ones that continuously give things away. A lot of people like spoilers and I just don't understand it. I don't want to know about it.

Like that movie Wolves that just came out, I think the trailer looked really good. It's the whole damn movie. I haven't watched the trailer. I'll avoid it. I mean, to this point, we've talked about this ad nauseum. I think the worst example of this by far, and it's weird coming from Marvel knowing that they're the same ones that gave us a fake Hulk charging at the endos in his army.

You had Ant Man and the Waspuanamania to be like, what do you do? Amaz? I don't have to win. You just have to lose. It's the whole movie. That's the whole reveal. Almost in order.

And I thought that they had a great point with the way that they faked around the Spider-Man and Civil War, they learned their lesson because the worst trailer reveal ever was the first adventures one that we've talked about is that when Tony's fallen from the sky and then the Hulk rescues him. Thank God I didn't see it. I remember seeing that in the movie theater, the movie going, oh, there that's coming. Hulk's going to catch him. Yeah. And then Hulk catches him.

I'm like, what are you doing? Whoever, I don't know if they let this person go or this person moved on to greener pastures, but literally between Civil War through end game, whoever was in charge of making sure the trailers were spot on and pulling infinity stones out of the gauntlets. You don't even know at what stage Danos is doing it. It was the Hulkbuster armor running, but you put in the Hulk. There was all those lawsuits, man, about, like, misleading trailers. I think that's that's what.

You think that's what did it? I'll tell you what I am actually really, I don't think that that's pertained to everybody, though. I think that people get, maybe it's scared of it. I'm worried that they stopped taking the money this because they saw the lawsuits. Maybe. Because why would you invest? But if there's stuff in the actual movie, because the lawsuit that was for Anna Darmus and that Beatles movie or whatever it was.

That was, I still think it was ridiculous lawsuit. I don't know. I think the person won I can remember. I don't remember, but either way, it's, but they're, if you want to make the argument, I'm like, well, they marketed that it was an Anna and Armist movie, and she's in it for two seconds. Okay, but there's certain things in trailers that you're not going to be able to win. It's like, but the, the, um, did she have top billing?

Because if so, as the studio, as the studios lawyer, I would go, she's not top billing. So there's nowhere that promises that she was going to be in this longer than two seconds. Yeah, I don't remember in. general of what it was. But it was the other one, man, I had a point about the trailers that they have for Marvel.

Oh, I can't remember. I lost it. But either way, the trailers are super, super important. Oh, that's what I was going to say.

As much as I, people were like, oh, he's a Star Wars header now. No, I have criticisms on Star Wars, but what I will say and giving a compliment on Star Wars is that,

regardless of what you think about their shows, they only show in their trailers, like the first, like, the stuff that happens in the first, like,

episode or something. And throughout the whole big trailers. Yeah. And it's a good way. I think that might be a felony thing. And they only, and whether it's Mandalorian, Obi-Wan,

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It should be show the first act. That's the point of the setup. Yeah. And then we can go, oh, they're in it. That's it. Okay. So everything we've talked about

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This is comic book movie. after John Carlo Esposito confirmed that he's joining the MCU, a new report, claims to shed some light on which 2025 Marvel Studios he's going to make a surprise debut in. So this is from Josh Wilding. John Carlo Esposito confirmed he's been cast in the MCU. He didn't give much away, but he said it's a role you won't predict. It'll be teased and then it's going to be a series afterwards. The actor has been a long fan favorite to play Professor X or Dr. Doom,

and it seems like his mystery character is neither of them. According to Murphy's Multiverse, whoever that is, Esposito will make his MCU debut in, do you guys know? Captain America. Captain America. Captain America, Brave New World.

The site reminds us that much of the movie was shot in 2023 before the WGA and the SAG After Strikes halted production. During that downtime, Marvel Studios decided that the Falcon and Winter Soldier follow-up needed an overhaul. and writer Matthew Orton was enlisted to Penn scenes for extensive reshoots. Esposito's character was added during those rewrites

and is described as an antagonistic agent of chaos and a serious thorn in Sam Wilson's side. In terms of a possible TV show that fits the bills of the series mentioned by the actor, Daredevil Born Again is a possibility. Winston was almost right there too. I guess he was right. If Esposito has shot a secret role for the revival and may be as an ally to Mayor Wilson Fisk.

Ironheart is also another, particularly with rumors of Mephisto, making his presence felt there. The literal devil showing up in Captain America, Brave New World would be pretty wild. Unfortunately, you can only speculate about who he is at the moment. Winston, you seem curious. Yeah, you know, because I was literally like, okay,

so who could he possibly be? and the only thing that stood out but this doesn't make sense because in my opinion obviously love John Carlo but he might it feels like he'd be too old for this Tombstone keeps popping around

Oh dude that's so funny That was the only person I could think of Because Mayor Fisk You could also have him as kind of like Someone from the old neighborhood With some of the characters in Kat Right And I think that he'd be kind of playful

Which I want John Carlo To not have to keep being Gus Fring So like I would love if he gets to be like Do the right thing era Yeah yeah yeah That's literally the only thing I could think of Toonstone was exactly what I thought of two, but I thought I was crazy. I was like, that wouldn't, but it doesn't not work.

Because I'm also curious how much, like, are they considering Tombstone then a Spider-Man villain dude to Sony? That would have him for like five things, you know? Like, I could see him joining for a run. Yeah. And that would be fun. That's literally the only, especially once we started talking about a Thorne and San Wilson's side. It's the only one I could think of. Tombstone is a henchman, like a not quite kingpin level, but not quite henchman, like, between,

mob boss. Yeah. And he's got all great out skin, sharpened teeth, and he has this like whispery voice where he's like super intimidating, but he's got like this jovialness. And his skin is super like hard to get through and stuff. So he's like a fun villain,

but I just don't want him to be another Doctor Doom because I feel like we've seen him play that role 20 times. I was, I mean, this has something confirmed yet, but I'm not going to lie when I said it was a little disappointed when I didn't hear he was playing a good guy. I want to be a good guy. Because he's, his, I, I've had an opportunity to meet. meet him a few different times and he's a sweetheart of those human beings.

So jovial. He's a really, he really is jovial. He's hilarious. Family guy. And he is, and I'd like to see him, he's going to crush whatever he does here is the villain,

but I do feel like he plays villains all the time. I don't have to surprise people. You know who was a great example of that? When Gary Oldman showed up in Harry Potter and was a good guy. Yeah. Because they cast him originally, and if you don't know that story and he shows up in the third one, you go,

he's a bad guy again. because they, and they turn it on him, because Gary Holman is such a great actor. He's a good guy. I hope they do something like this with Jean Carlo, but it doesn't look like they will. I love when Philip Seymour Hoffman and, what's his name, John C. Reilly, like, switched careers.

Remember when John C. Riley was like a dramatic actor and out of his comedy, and Philip Seamer Hoffman was like, let it rate! And now he's like, that X was like, oh, acting. And I want that for Giancarlo, when he can finally be what he was in the 80s and 90s. People don't remember, like, Malcolm X, too, the right thing. Like, he had a whole career before Gus Fring.

And then since Gus Fring, he's played Gus Fring. And that's, and a lot of, well, no, because Far Cry, um, what I'm trying to think, uh, the boys, they really have started to just, Star Wars. Star Wars. He's played the same. I'm intimidating and monotone and I'm good at it. Very, very good at it. And that's great at it.

That, well, that's, you know, that was actually, there was a very slight detour still in the industry outside of comics. That was the whole thing that's been going on with Alfonso Ribeiro for the who played Carlton. Yeah. Where he was saying that once the Fresh Prince ended, he actually, had infinite trouble finding work because they were just like, oh, Carlton, nobody could see him outside of that role.

And at least... This is a better thing to be pitching hold. That's what I was saying. At least he's working, but it is one of those things where he is just seen as that now. I think Downey had that problem to Oppenheimer. I think Downey, because like the juror didn't do that well,

do little, did fine for kids, but it wasn't regarded. Like, think about a movie post... You mean the judge? Thank you. I can't think the movie post... I did too, but nobody saw it. Well, it was what you. It's a while ago.

You know what's hilarious? But you know what's hilarious about that movie? Is that your point is absolutely taking. Because my buddy, David Gambino, was running down his company at the time of that movie. It was like his big movie. And I just had lunch with him the other day. That movie, the judge,

and I wonder just because of Oppenheimer, is crushing on the street. Yeah, it's everywhere. And it's good. I saw it in theaters. Really good. I saw it in theaters too, and they re-released it on Netflix.

And it's been the number one movie on Netflix for like a couple weeks. I think it's shifted. now, but it was there for a long time. But like kiss, kiss, bang, bang, and, and Tropic Thunder, all the stuff right before Iron Man, he got to play. And then after Iron Man up until Othheimer. I thought Tropic Thunder was post Iron Man because... It was same year. Oh, wait.

Yeah, but it happened after because that was the whole talk. I think Tropic Thunder was 2010, I think. We have the technology. Wait, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, because it was up against Heath. It was 2008. It was the same year, but... Heath.

Oh, he. He was up against Felger. Ledger. Yeah, yeah, no, no. He was up against Falcill Marine Heat. Iron Man came out in the spring and then Tropic Thunder came out in the summer. So I'm saying performing-wise, he was getting to do more.

So you're saying because they were filming around the same time, it technically was pre- Yeah, he'd filmed it before Iron Man. It was August 13th. But once Iron Man's perception came out, I don't think people saw him as anything but Iron Man. So when they'd see him in a movie like the judge, they wanted Iron Man.

And now, I think with Oppenheimer, we got Downey back because I feel like he can play roles again. Yeah. And it's, I don't know, I'm very curious. to see how it's going to change who he's going to show up as. But John Carlo, who cares as long as he's in it, right? I mean, it's John Carlos. So what do you guys think?

Do you think that who do you think in general he's going to play, whether you think he should be a bad guy or a good guy? Who do you think he's going to play? Love to hear those suggestions. Make sure you comment. Tell us what you think. Let's move to this one because we all kind of went like this when we saw this story. All right, so what?

Who? When, what? Scarlet Witch, rumored to be closing in on a director. for what? Hawkeye Season 2 reportedly features a familiar setting. According to new rumor, Marvel Studios is finally on a hunt for a Scarlet Witch director. Is this a Scarlet Witch movie? I mean, come on! What's the deal with the Scarlet Witch? She's got a movie. She's dead. She's alive. I mean, come on. We also have news on Hawkeye Season 2, including when it will be set and early plans for Barney Barton. Josh Wilding again.

In Wanda Vision, Wanda Maximoff finally became the Scarlet Witch. However, her evolution. ended on a tragic note, and she was forced to drop the hex around Westview and bid farewell to the vision and her children, Tommy and Billy. When we caught up with Wanda in Dr. Strange in the multiverse of madness, the Darkhold had corrupted the Avenger,

and she went on a rampage through realities to find variants of her twin boys. Verging on being a full-blown villain, verging. Wanda eventually saw the error of her ways and appeared to bury herself beneath Wondegore. However, that was only after she'd used her is to destroy every possible copy of the dark hold in the multiverse.

It's widely believed that Wanda found a way to survive, and there's been chatter online about a Scarlet Witch movie for several months. Today, Scooper, My Time to Shine, has shared an update claiming that Marvel Studios is now looking for a director that presumably means that they have a script, and it's previously been reported that the plan is to get this project in theaters before Avengers Secret Awards. For now, Elizabeth Olson seems eager to take a break from the MCU,

specifically in the last four years my output has been Marvel, she said. I don't want, it's not that I don't want to be associated as just this character, but I really feel like I need to be building other parts back up for balance. I do, I so much want to do films right now, and I hope some of them come together in the way I feel like they can. But yeah, that's something that I need. I just need other characters in my life. There's no longevity in one character.

Chances are that a Scarlet Witch movie doesn't serve as Olson's farewell to the character, the next Avengers movie will. We also have a Hawkeye Season 2 update, apparently the plan is for the story to once again take place during Christmas. The hope is to cast a big name to play Clint Barton's brother Barney, who's also known in the comics as Trick Shot. Back in February, Renner addressed the return and said, I'm always game, I'm going to be strong enough.

That's for sure. I'll be ready. All right, I had, and maybe, because you didn't know that this was a thing either. Did you hear that there was potential? I heard years ago that they were going to do one, but it sounds way more real now. I just, we've been.

talking about it for months. Who? Yeah. Who's been talking about it for months? She sounds good and done. Like, and I don't blame her. Yeah, and we cover this all the time. I don't remember this at all.

No. I don't remember this. And then maybe mentioning it or something, but then when I say to her, look, you put enough money in someone's backyard in a dump truck and they're going to say, all right, maybe I got a second month. I'll do a couple more.

I mean, look at Tom Holland, who made a complete 180 when he said, I don't know how long we'll play it for as long as I can. Yeah. The funny thing is, is I hear what Elizabeth Olson is saying, it doesn't sound like she dislikes the character or what's it doesn't seem spiteful. It's just, I don't want my career to be over when this character's arc is fully done. And I understand that a thousand percent on top of the fact that when, like,

I know I'm a big long-order SVU fan that Christopher Maloney at one point was like, I'm done playing this role. I've done it for, what, 16, 18 seasons, not because I don't enjoy the character, not because I don't enjoy my job. I just want to be able to do other. things in my career. And I think that that's completely justified and fair. It is. And I think that the other thing, as far as a plan for the Marvel goes, is that you can see, hey, we've got Wanda, who's part of the original squad, maybe because these other movies, they don't know these characters out well, and we do want to do a female-led film. She might be a sure bet. She might be a sure bet to do it.

Yeah. So why don't we go for it? And then that leads up to her performance in Avengers, right? Or you could say, hey, she doesn't, she's not really, we don't have really have anything yet. We shouldn't just throw it out there. But let's get her back because everybody and their mother's going to be in this movie. She's, the other thing that I think you have to bring Scarlet Witch back and they probably like explain that to Lizzie is just the idea of, she is so integral to the X-Men.

Yeah. And even though she and Pietro have now been written out as not mutants, and that really came as a backlash from Age of Ultron and Marvel trying to separate themselves from Fox, and since they had the rights and all that. But all that being said, Scarlet Witch is so integral to Magneto, so integral to the whole No More Mutant storyline, which affected how, like, all that went. Also, just the animosity between the Avengers and the X-Men because they hold her so responsible for what they did.

parties and has responsibilities in both. Like her Beast and Wolverine are the only three big crossovers, but I'd consider her crossover bigger than either Wolverine or Beast. A thousand percent. And they just introduced Storm as part of the Avengers recently, if I remember

correctly, but yes, no, she is too much of, and I think that they probably were like, take the time, but we're going to need you around this spot and hear like you said as a dump truck. Well, here's a question. Because they're going to reboot X-Men. you know, and because of multiverse, because they set these things up,

could they recast and do a different Scarlet Witch? If she is so hell-bent on being like, I really don't want to do this anymore, of course you can. That's an easy out. I just don't know if the audiences, I mean, I can only speak from comic book audiences, but be like, yeah, that makes sense, but I don't know if the average audience would want,

you know, Liz is so attached to the characters. Of course, yeah, but I mean, so is Hugh Jackman. Right. Which is so funny. I already felt bad for whoever was going to take over Wolverine's role like a five years ago, but now that he's back and it's going to be so fresh and such an iconic performance. Whoever's next to screw.

Yeah, and a potential billion dollar movie. Yeah. Like before I've been like, okay, it's been like 15 years. It's kind of in the past, an old era. Now it's like, oh, I just did this again, crushed it. My pick, even more so because of that. Taryn Anderson. 100%.

Still, same. But even more because of that. Yeah. You saw one person and be like, bring it. Pass the torch. But bring it. And the fact that they're close. Yeah.

And Matthew Vaughn wants it. Matthew Vaughn wants it. Matthew Vaughn knows his X-Men. The man knows his X-Men. Eddie the Eagle, by the way. So good. So slop on. So slept on.

Eddie the Eagles is incredible. The two of them. It's the two of them. Hugh Jackman and Terry. True story. And that movie, such an underrated story. It is an underrated movie.

It's the real steel of skiing. It is. It is. A ski. Yeah, skiing. It's a fantastic movie. It really is. Anyway, so that's the only thing I want to know from you guys right now is what

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All right, let's get to the final story because Winston's got it out of here. Here is this story. All right. Anthony Starr, he was asked, there was a big debate that was going on about whether or not Holmander could beat up Superman, right?

Well, the Boy Starr answered, and he responds, and he says, and the boy star Anthony Starr responds to booster gold speculation, first of all, and he also says that Holander would kick Superman's ass. The boys star, Anthony Star, has addressed recent speculation that he might be in line to play Booster Gold in the DCU while also weighing in on a potential scrap between Homelander and Superman. Mark Cassidy says Anthony Starr has made a major impact as a psychotic soup known as a Homelander

over three seasons of the boys, but is there a chance he might suit up as a more conventional superhero? Recent rumor claimed the title role in Booster Gold series has already been cast, and when fan noticed that Starr and DC Studios James Gunn had started following each other, speculation mounted that the the bossy actor may have been cast. Why that particular character, not another DCU role. Well, Booster is blonde and Star plays a blonde guy on the boys. At any rate, it doesn't seem like the social media

sluice have landed on something here, not that Star wouldn't confirm if they had. Me and James just played golf, he said. I cannot wait to see what he does. I think he's a phenomenal director. He's one of the biggest, he's got one of the biggest brands in the industry, so I'm excited to see what he cooks up. Again, there was something to this.

He's hardly going to admit it. So then he also talked about, Star talking about a hypothetical battle between Holmander and Superman. He said, here's why Holmander would kick Superman's ass. There's no kryptonite factor, and homie would fight so dirty, he's the type to go, oh, you got me. And as he goes down and then comes up and he throws sand in your eyes, he's the dirty dude, man, whereas Superman is always like, oh, I wouldn't do that. Oh, there's innocent children that might get hurt. Homie's going to do something to human shield himself with kids.

So do you think Stars take on how the fantasy battle will play out? All right, Winston, you got to go, so we'll start with you. Who wins? I love that he wants to defend his character. A homeowner does even remotely close to feet that Superman does so that ain't happening. My guy Superman has an infinite power battery from the sun. So far, there has been near nothing that can kill him, barring kryptonite, when he got punched so damn hard that you ended up causing a sound wave that killed both him and Doomsday.

Superman didn't actually die and went into a super coma. So, like, I promise you, the compound V has its limits, and he can get, body the simple fact that a number of every other super in the boys can get bodied in one way or the other and Soldier Boy almost was able to kill him with enough strength. Homeland ain't got a shot in hell.

I'm with Winston. I got to say there's a reason magic, kryptonite and certain other, you know, DSX Machina's exist in the comics is because of how powerful Superman is. If you've got a character that even is slightly concerned at any point in the world of the boys, then that's not going to keep up with Superman. So like

the fact that Homelander, you know, he doesn't really have to worry about Carl Urban, even with compound V. But if enough soups get after them, there is that still plausible deniability. And that's actually what makes Superman such a hard character to write, but when written well is so incredible, because if you're that powerful, it's harder to write that character.

That's why it's fun to find... And he's an alien. Yeah, you have to find those chinks in the armor. Whereas, like, Homelander is a guy, what's... On top of the fact that Superman is infinitely smarter than Homelander, so if you realize, I just need to mess with your head? Yeah, if you get in his head and Highlander's really temperamental. What about...

So what about the booster gold stuff? You think it's, you think it's, you think he would, if you get, if that is him, that is a perfect role for him, just because Booster gold is homelander, but not a villain. There's a little bit of a Cheshire cat element to Homelander. Well, that's my point. Anthony Star that I don't quite see in Booster. Like, Booster's dumb, ignorant, fun, not malicious. And there's something behind Anthony Star's eyes that always feels a little like calculated. But I think that's because he knows how to tap into that.

Even in interviews, I'm like, that man is going to murder that child. You know what he was really good? You know what he was really good in? That Jake Jellenhall movie. You saw it too? Nobody saw that movie. It was incredible. It was really good movie.

But even there, he's barely in it. He does. That's why I brought it up. I agree with you. What is that real steel with religion? The covenant? No, the covenant is a, the covenant is a... Jesus is real steel.

True story of a war movie. It's a Guy Ritchie movie. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. Anyway, so I, as far as the casting goes in Buster, I don't know, we'll see. Do I think that he's going to show up in D.C.? I do. Do I think it's going to be booster gold? Not necessarily, but I do think that the boys

is right up James Guns Alley. Yeah, he definitely watches. He watches that show and probably loves Anthony Star. Anyway, all right, that's our show for today. Thanks for joining us here. I really appreciate it. I want to make sure that you follow both Winston and Coy, and we'll start with Winston. Where can I find you?

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