The Kristian Harloff Show - The Fantastic Four cast has been set?! Done deal?! When will it be announced?

Episode Date: January 22, 2024

BECOME A PATRON: http://www.Patreon.com/TheBigThingShow The Fantastic Four has been a highly anticipated film for the MCU and some say much needed. There have been many rumors on who the cast will be. There is a new report that says the deals are done and the cast is imminent. Is it Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards? Vanessa Kirby as Sue Storm? Ebon Moss-Bachrach as The Thing aka Ben Grimm? And is Joesph Quinn playing Johnny Storm? Mean Girls takes The Box Office Again, Harry Potter pitches for the MAX TV show begin. Is Air Force One getting a sequel and is JJ Abrams Superman movie still happening? James Gunn says yes. this and more on this LIVe episode of The Big Thing with Kristian Harloff and John Rocha  #marvel #MCU #DC #fantasticfour #movies #rumors #DCU #harrypotter OUR SPONSORS: AG1: http://www.DrinkAG1.com/BigThing ROCKET MONEY: http://www.RocketMoney.com/BigThing TRADE COFFEE: Jumpstart this year by signing up for a Trade subscription. Right now, Trade is offering a free bag with select subscription plans when you visit drinktrade.com/bigthing MANSCAPED: http://www.Manscaped.com CODE BIG THING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff  AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. Happy Monday. We're doing another live episode of the big thing. I'm excited that you are here. And I'm excited because it looks like we're finally going to get going to get a little set up, a little bit zip. We're finally going to get a fantastic forecast announcement and rumored forever

who it's going to be, where it's going to be, when it's going to land. And we look, it looks, a new report says that the contracts are signed and that an announcement's coming. So we'll, we'll see because Roka and Snyder have been reporting on this thing forever. So we'll see what John thinks about what the final lock is on this one. And if we can take it to the bank. I'll tell you, what can take it to the bank is mean girls wins again in the box office. So we'll go over the box office for sure. Not necessarily a big boost in the box office, but Harry Potter is going to be a big boost for Max.

I'm going to do like a whole reboot of the series and like they're starting to repitch everything. so Warner Brothers starting to make some moves. An interesting move that they are making is it looks like the JJ Abrams Superman is still happening. At least that's what James Gunn has said. There's a lot of stories that we're going to talk about here today in this live episode. That's just a, that's just a taste. That's just the taste, guys. But we're on Spotify.

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You guys were super generous. We were here for quite a bit. So let's get started. It's myself. It's John Roker. It's the big thing. It's Monday. Let's do it.

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John Roker here. What's up, brother? How are you doing? Happy Monday morning? Uh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm, I had an interesting weekend, a good weekend. Yeah. I'll tell you what. We just went and we saw a movie and I thought it was okay the first time and I went up really liking it and it's definitely the dad in me. I'll tell you that. Okay. I went in Solwanka again. Yeah. And I liked it a lot better the second time. Okay. It's because I looked over and I saw my 12 year old. She had a smile on her face that I haven't seen in a long time. It felt like she was like six years old again. And the little one was just firing popcorn down watching it, like loved it. They both loved it. So I think that that absolutely and I felt the music hit for me more on the second time. The first time. I don't, because it was what you and I talked about, I think last week with the, the studio surprising people with musicals. I didn't. It wasn't experienced. acting a musical and this time I was, you know? Right, right. It's a different, different approach for sure. Yeah, I thought the songs, I thought they got into the songs a bit too early in the movie,

but I think when you go see it again, you can let go of that because you already know it's coming. Sure. And you can just see how the overall product hits you. And if it worked for you better, a second time, that speaks volume about how good the movie is. And it's, it's aimed at your daughter. So it's perfect that they loved it.

And that's why the movie's making or has made over 500 million plus. Yeah. And it's, and you can tell, I mean, it definitely, look, I still had the same problems with it that I had the first time with a, I think the villains are just so goofy and terrible. But I think it's consistent with the tone of it, though. It doesn't like, they don't like kind of come out of nowhere. Like it's, I stick by it.

It's a Muppet movie without the Muppets. Yeah, that's good point. But it's, but it's fun. I guess the bad batch trailer is out. Did you, do you see it? No, I haven't seen it. Oh, wow. Okay.

I'll take a look at it after we're done with the show today. Yeah, probably I don't know if I'm going to do reaction to it. I'd just probably cover it on the, on the show or something. And it's like I I like that series, the last, the first, I should say the second, second half of the second season was way better than anything else that they've done. So I was invested in it. But I just think I'm over that time period. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just, it's fine. People love it, but I'm like, eh, it's fine. I want to see, I really am looking forward to see. I'm hoping they don't drop the ball with the, with the accolite, man. I'm so excited for the time period. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be fun to explore that for sure. And you're right. I mean, yeah, we'll see.

I mean, there's so much coming out, Christian, it's going to be hard to keep track of, and Ackleit, certainly one that looks awesome. Yeah. Did you watch True Detective yet? Yes. Oh, I haven't seen episode two yet. Did you watch it already? It's too good.

Horsicle, please, it's awesome. The second episode, yeah, I mean, you get more with what you saw at the end of the first episode. Sure. More of it. There's some super creepy shit that happens. and loving Callie Reese and Jody Foster's chemistry. And the young kid has a lot more to do in this episode too and her daughter's, or daughter rather.

And you get a little more background. So I mean, I'm not going to spoil the thing because she hasn't watched it. I want to see it. Do you know what I love though? I don't know if you caught this. Yeah. In the first episode, because it's not going to spoil it for anybody.

But the first episode, it takes place in like it's Alaska or whatever. Yeah, and it's Alaska. Yeah. And the first thing's like this kind of frozen base. when they're doing the investigation and with everything that kind of goes on, did you see that when she's looking at the Blu-Rays, that the thing is there? Yes.

Yes. So she's walking past the cabinet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought that was interesting, especially now that I've now seen the thing. Yes.

Did you like it? I did. Yeah, no, yeah, it was like two years ago. I went up doing that was one of the first things I did in this channel was I said I was going to review the thing.

And I did. Yeah, I really liked it a lot. It was really good. It's out now. Let's get to this first story, man, because there's,

this is something that you know you've been reporting on for a bit everybody's been talking about what the hell's going to happen are they going to get a cast here fantastic four apparently is um the cast is is going to be set so let me bring up the comic this this is one this one comes in from comic book movie yeah um our friends over a comic book movie so well there's a bunch of different where is it i saw there's one that i saw on dark horizons but i guess there's not Oh, there it is. Okay. Here's, this is the rumor. Marvel's Fantastic Four core cast set by Dark Horizons.

A new report from Daniel Richmond via comic book movie indicates that the deals have been closed for the four key cast members of Marvel Studios upcoming Fantastic Four film. The scooper adds that an official announcement is imminent in regards to who will be playing Reed, Richard, Sue Storm, Ben Grimm, and Johnny Storm. To date, the only actor that has been reported on by the trades as being likely cited. signed on for a role as Pedro Piscal as Reed Richards, aka Mr. Fantastic. That said, rumors have already indicated that Vanessa Kirby will be Sue Storm, the Invisible Woman, Joseph Quinn will be Johnny Storm, and Ebbott-Moss Barack will be Ben Grim the Think. Other roles rumored in recent months have been Javier Bardam as planet devouring cosmic

character Galactus and Anya Taylor Joy as his silver-skinned herald, the Silver Surfer. WandaVision and Monarch Legacy of Monsters, producer Matt Shankman, is directing Marvel's Fantastic The reboot aims to shoot this summer at Pinewood Studios in London, trying to aim for that May 2025 release. Let's start with the May 25 release. You guys said it. I said it, no chance. I think it's moved to July. So let's start with the fact, I mean, you guys have, I think you, you guys are the ones on Hot Mike that broke the Vanessa Kirby and the majority of these, right?

Yeah, yeah. Jeff, I heard from a number of his sources that these were the names they were looking at. These were the names they were focused on. And that hasn't wavered. You know, it's been pretty much him. There have been occasional talks of Gosling, either as Doom or Mr. Fantastic or whatever. But it's always been these four people that we've come back to over and over again,

and just wondering when they were going to finally make the announcement and seeing people now, scoopers like Daniel, who, you know, we follow each other on Twitter, Daniels a great follow for these kinds of things. And so I think once they're picking up the story, it means we're real close to an announcement, I think, probably sometime this week or next week, they're finally going to lock this thing down.

I mean, you've got to, right, Christian? Like you said, I've got to hit that release date. Even if they don't hit that release date, you've still got to hit that 2025 release date. It's about time they start the hype for this thing. They have to because this is one of those movies that they need. They need people to be excited about it. And if it is this cast,

you want people to be excited. This is a great cast. If this is to be the cast, because even though I don't necessarily love the Pedro Pascal casting. It's an interesting choice, for sure. It's an interesting. I understand. choice i understand the choice on a different and on lots of different levels but i but i and i love

pedro pascal i just think that we don't have to overuse everybody because that's what happened all the time it's like he's everybody wants pedro pascal yeah right let's get him and it's like there's a and i you and i probably going to differ on this though too and i i think that when it comes down to it like i i i think that marvel and i don't think anybody can argue this part i think you'll agree with that marvel has been very diverse with their casting yeah Marvel has been trying very hard on a lot of different things. Some people would say maybe too much in how they do certain things. But I think that they've been trying to a lot of inclusion.

And I think, and I don't know if the rumors are true or not. This I guess is what Jeff said. Jeff has said that one of the reasons that Kevin Feigy wanted to cast, Pedro Pascales, because the cast was too white. If that was indeed true, I think that's a bad way to go about things. I think that's a bad way to go about things. I think that it's, I think that you can look at that cast and go, okay, fantastic for you. You did it the way you cast it.

And people are going to go, oh, I can't believe you made Reed Richards White. No one was going to say that. No one was going to say that. Well, I don't know if no one was going to say that. Some people would have brought it up. Maybe, but it wasn't going to be like it wasn't going to be little marvels. It's like if that was indeed the case. If they brought in Pedro Pascal and they said, whoa, wait a minute, he read this in a very different.

The chemistry with Vanessa Kirby is just fantastic. Because you know he's going to put in a great performance. And no one's going to really complain about Pedro Pascow because he's great. But it's the reasoning behind it that should all be why are you doing this in general? Right. And but my more thing for my hesitancy against Pedro Vascals is he's just in everything. He's had to move his schedule because he's in everything. Yeah, Zach Craig.

He dropped out of Zach Craigar's weapons film. Right. To clear space for himself to do this. And they're already pushing, according to Jeff on the hot mic, that they're already pushing the production start to later on in the year. So that makes, it gives even more credence to your idea that they're going to push this thing to July of 2025. Look, I hear what you're saying, and I have heard it from a number of sources, and I,

people rather, and I totally understand that point of view. And I also think that I, like, it's interesting because I see both sides of it. I understand, you know, there's a certain contingency, they've got to be comic book accurate, comic book's accurate. And I get that, right? but I also, you have to put things in perspective. Like when they made these comics, they were all, you know, white dudes. And so all they saw was white people.

So they put them as the leads in their comics. So to go back to the 1960s as the basis for casting now, when we know we're a much more diverse society, I think he's smart to want it to reflect our society a bit more. And it isn't like he's putting like some shitty Latino actor in there, just to check the box. He's picking one of the best Latin actors that we have out, there to be in the role. I get your point. I totally do it. At the core, I get your point because

that leads to like, well, did he really earn the role? And I think it's a detriment to people of color, because it makes it look like you're being handed the role rather than earning the role. And that's not the way, Figey has not said that. That's what Jeff. No, no, no, no. It was just a rumor. There's just a rumor. And to push back on your point just a little bit too, I don't just agree with you on the fact that the 60s and how those things were back then and things can change. And I think that that, and that was my earlier point is that they have made it very clear to go against that and do certain things. And I'm just saying that if you were going to do, if that was the case, then the whole

family should have been Latino. And then there you go. Well, we're exploring the interracial stuff. No, I understand. I get it. But look at commercials now, we're seeing way more interracial couples in commercials now that we ever have before. And it's just trying to reflect the society a bit more.

think. And, you know, there's, there's plenty of white heroes. There's plenty of white people that it's not going to be a big deal. It's not going to be a big deal because of the fact they are paid him of Scott. Everybody loves Pedro Bosco. Yeah, I was going to say it's about the safest Latino guy you could choose to be in the role. Well, because look, here's the other thing. Don't forget who was rumored to play him along like a year ago. Diego Luna. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yago Luna was rumored. They clearly wanted a Latino in this role. A hundred percent. So it's like, is it going to be,

and the last, and I'm never this person. I'll say. what I just said and tell you, like I just hope they're doing it. Like, as you said, I think we're agreeing that as long as it's done for the right reasons. Exactly. For the role,

I'm never going to be like, well, that means I'm just not going to like the movie. It could be a great choice in the way that they do it and the way they make certain characters and the way they do things. So I'm open.

I just don't like when someone comes in, if they come in and go, look, guys, I wasn't even expecting to do this. Pedro Bascall's reading was great. I think it makes more sense to make the character Latino. It's great.

It's great read. Not the opposite of, hey, we need, the cast is too white. We can't do that. That's the wrong approach for anything, for anything. When you do that, that's just the wrong approach. When the approach is, you walk in and you say, nah, no, no, this is the guy. I don't care.

We can make it. We'll explain it. We'll figure it out. Like you said, it's the interracial couple that, because that read was just so good. But again, that's possible. It's Pedro Viscal. So, look, I'm never going to, you're right. I'm never going to 100% because people in charge,

have a responsibility to create more opportunities for people of color because we haven't been allowed in the superhero genre for a while. But for the last few years, as you've said, Christian earlier a few minutes ago, Marvel has done a really strong, concerted effort to be more diverse in their casting. So I think they could have gotten away with an all-white fantastic four

because they've already been really strong in how they've gone about, including diversity and making it more of a central focus. And so I think you could have gotten away with an all-white fan as before if you wanted to go out last year. But I think they clearly want a Latino leave for whatever reason. And that's, and that's again, that's the overall point here. The overall point is, and I think it should be for everything.

It's like, why are you, why are you casting the role when you read and you go, because there's certain roles. You can absolutely, as you're saying, you go, this character doesn't need to be white. You can change it up. And this, and let me be clear, this character doesn't necessarily need to be white. I don't think it. I don't think it needs to be. But the, but my, my questioning is more so of the intent bomb. It's the it's always the intent behind it's like because you're gonna get yourself because as you said it I think really well

Is what you don't want to do is you don't want to diminish the the person who's actually Do yes right and here and like another example is and this has nothing to do with with with this is more so of Just introducing any character this character could have been white could have been black and a Latino In in in Obi-1 when you had when you had when you had what's Riva right right? Right Moses Ingram yeah that character should have been in a different show A different show because same actress, different show because the second you put any character in that role taking away from Obi-Wan and Anakin, when that's your pitch, and the majority of it is her getting stabbed with the sword. It's essentially trying to be her story, her redemption story and all that. It's like you're doing such a disservice to that poor woman or any actor or actress you put in there because you've pitched it like this is the battle.

Kathleen Kennedy said it on stage. She said, this is the final battle. And you're like, okay. And then the final battle, you're cutting back and forth to a character we don't care about with Owen and Baru fighting. And like, what are you doing? It's like, it could have been anybody. It doesn't matter who it was.

That was just, you got to be careful with how you do things. Because especially now, people are ready to freaking pick, pick you apart. Well, I think that's the problem that I find a little bit of the hypocrisy in the point of view here. It's like, okay, be gender, be colorblind. Be colorblind in your casting. If a white person is the right person, then the, white person is the right person. Great. But then on the other side, if a person of color gets cast,

you can't all of a sudden go, you know what? They cast them only because they're a person of color. Like, which is it? You've got to pick a lane. If you trust the person doing the casting and the person is saying, we went in with an open mind and this is who we chose, you can't win. That's the problem. With certain elements of the internet, they're going to see it their way and they're going to play that way because they got to make money off those points of views. They're going to see it that way. Give me an all white cast. And if you cast a person of color, Oh, you're, you're pandering to the woke crowd. You are going to get that no matter what.

You're 100% right. You're going to get that no matter what. And that's the shame. But also the question, the way you stick it back in anybody's face is you deliver with quality and character and box office. And the second part is not always easy because you can make a really good movie and people just don't come out to support it. But if you deliver on character, you deliver on story, then people are going to go,

you know, shut up, stupid. It's a good movie. And obviously they cast well for it because people are responding to it, but if people aren't responding to it because it's like you got to be, I think you need, this is what we always thought, you got to pay attention. Like, it just, it also depends, and this is why I think that you and I don't want to bring up, I don't, I know that it's a touchy subject, but like the whole thing with the, with, uh, Shamin Abedon. Yeah. Yeah. So we, you and I've had our conversation, but we, you and I actually talked about

it in a way that, you know, I'm not, I'm just, I didn't agree with your take, you know, on it. Like, not fully. You didn't fully agree. There's a lot that I, agree. I completely agree that there should be that, you know, a woman directing Star Wars is a, it's a great thing. Yeah. I don't agree with the way that she approached it. I don't agree with the way that what she, because she did not say, what she did not say in that was she didn't say, it's really great to be a female director who gets to shape this story in this upcoming film. She didn't say that. What she said was, she was the first one ever to do it. And she kind of threw things aside. And there, there were other things in an approach that. And what I told you is if you're making a $60 million movie, you know,

and you want to just go towards one particular group and you really want to just focus, this is who we're aiming at. We're aiming at this. It's a $60 million movie. When you're making a $250, $300 million movie, you got to aim towards everybody. You just have to because even the people that you say, I don't want them to watch my movies. I don't want to. I don't want those people.

They're still buying tickets, whether you want, because you cannot, you cannot make a billion without everybody. You can't. Not if not if you're doing $300 million, you just can't. Now, I'm not telling you that, like, well, that's, you have to like, whether it's right or wrong, it's up to you or you want to see. But if you're business-wise, if you're looking at $300 million movie, a $250 million movie, you've got to cater towards everyone and you've got to be very careful. And that's why I always said Lucasfilm needs a better PR team, because there's a lot of things that are said, not even politically, but like just in general, like just like certain things that are said, like, oh, we're announcing, we're going to do a movie every three years. Oh, no,

just kidding. We're going to mean. It's like, it's like, we're going to throw in this bando and Grogo thing out of nowhere. Hey, you haven't, we haven't, we haven't done, we haven't ever done, we don't have books. We don't have TV. But it's like, and it's like, same thing, whatever I'm saying with what you know is. I know what she was trying to say. Right, right. You got it. You got, when you're marketing, you got to be careful. You just have. Look, you're not going to get any argument for me that maybe she didn't word that particular statement incorrectly. We could certainly have a debate on that and how she should have been more clear. And I get why people are upset bringing up Marsha Lucas, bringing up all the great female directors

we've had in the series. I get that. You know, she didn't 100%. I think you got what she was saying, but you could have worded it a bit more with perspective of the entire franchise, right? But people are also bad faith actors going back to 2015 and grabbing quotes that had nothing to do with Star Wars. they were about her documentaries that she was making about these women that were being abused in the society. And so she was saying that, but guys were bringing that in, or people rather, people, because I saw both genders doing it, all jumping into 2023 and saying, oh, I don't want an activist filmmaker. You have no idea what she's going to do. It's being written by a man who has written peekie blinders, lock, I mean, some hardcore male stuff and strong female characters as well. So to overreact like that, I thought was just them just trying to make money off.

I mean, I understand. And I don't know. I understand that. There's a way to have a debate that's just like we had. That was level. And you can pick old comments to say, oh, look, well, look, she, she hates dudes. So she's, this is what we're going to get. But I still think, though, that when we're also, you can't be naive in the, in the world, right,

in the world that we're living in right now. And it is important that you do, you want everybody on board with your movies. You want everybody on board. you know there's going to be places that are just going to tear your part no matter what. But you got it because I will say, because some people go, oh, well, those channels and those and those articles that are written and those things, they don't have any merit. They do. They really do have merit.

I mean, you can look at past box office of certain movies recently. We're in a place right now that, you know, that it, it, the fandom has become very political. It just has. And this is why I brought up like the Mandalorian in general. Like, the mandolarian was the, was after Rise of Skywalker, when everybody was so, a lot of people were down on the new children. And that it kind of, they're there, that discourse just wasn't,

it just wasn't there remaining season one. It just wasn't there. It was, it was like this united thing that I hadn't felt in a while. It was one of the reasons I started to talk about Star Wars again. I was like, oh, look at this. It looks like people are actually can, can it both like,

it looks like everybody is in unity talking about it. And then, of course, like I said, there's always going to be people who are just going to take shots to take shots. But for the most part, it seemed like everybody was on the same page. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, it, it just is this thing that it's unfortunate but if you run into business you've got to look and say

wait a minute you got to be we've got to market it's like that it's like the michael jordan comment man everybody everybody buy sneakers yeah but he disavowed that comment in the last dance documentary saying he wasn't a hundred percent what he meant to say but but he's not but he's not wrong in a certain because there's a no i don't disagree you should appeal to the most amount of people that you can when you're trying to when you're trying to make a billion dollar movie yeah if you're trying to make, like I said, if you're making a $60 million movie, a $70 million movie, and you're like, well, no, wait a minute, you can sit around in a boardroom and say, this is who we're marketing to. You don't care if those people see our movie,

because if we market this way and we strategize and we market towards this group that we want to see our movie, we can make back our money and then some. But if we spend too much, then we're going to need them to see it too. So we got to be, it's business. But I also think Star Wars bears some responsibility here in this way. Like they, don't come out and defend their decisions strongly. Like that's the problem I have. Like Kathleen seems to be a progressive and an activist, but then like when Moses Ingram is flapping in the breeze,

it takes Ewan McGregor to come out, defend her. When all these people are flapping in the breeze, it takes other people to come out and defend them. She hasn't said one word about the Charmino Bay-Chinoi-Chanoi controversy, and she should have come out first and foremost and said, this is what we want. She's directing this kind of film. Yeah, right. And that's the frustrating part.

It's like, you're just tied to, John. The other thing is to march people out, they're going to take hits. You better be in the front line with them. Right. But the other thing is to, you're on, you're on CNN. It's like, if you're on CNN, and she was talking about something completely different than they brought

up, Star Wars, you know, and Star Wars just came up. Yeah, it was on the cuff, off the cuff. It was off the cuff, but it's like, if you're on CNN, yeah, don't make a, because you're going, you just, just make a statement of like, very excited of this movie. It's coming. If I'm the PR person, I'm going, we're really excited,

I can't wait. You want to throw in? Absolutely. I said it when we're talking about this. It's a badge of honor that you're the first woman to direct a star work. You absolutely should say that. If anybody else pitches about that, fuck them, because that is a badge of honor and that is something. But say it in, but also just, look, I'm very excited to be the first female director to take the galaxy far, far away into a brand new direction.

Great. Now, move. Now, we'll start promoting when it's time to row. You don't even know when this movie's coming out. Don't pick a sign. Because people are going to take it, no matter what, your little word, you're going to part, everything you say. Well, I think you go back to what you said earlier about the situation with her.

If she had just said, you know, I'm proud to be in a long line of female contributor to Star Wars. I'm honored to be the first woman to direct a feature film. Yes. Star Wars. Then that would have been fine. You're right. But I mean. And people jump because then people would have still done what they did.

Oh, of course. Of course. Yes. But then in that, you'd have more people saying, what are you talking about? She's proud because on that side, because I was on the side of it going, I think she chose her words terribly. I think she chose her words terribly. And I think they did no service. As you said, I knew what she was trying to say, but she didn't say it.

And so that I would have been on the opposite. I'd be like she was talking about how proud she is to do it. She did a great job with Ms. Marvel. And I hated the one argument I did hate was that she shouldn't be doing it. And the only reason she got it is because she's a woman. The only reason that's why she got it because she only directed a TV show. the Russo brothers did comedy. They were doing community. Where did you see Avengers?

And then they crushed you with Civil War. That part of it, I was like, no, no. You can't, that's a silly argument. The experience argument is nonsense. No, no. You can't. That you can't do. But the other stuff, I mean, I understood it. I mean, I understood the, I really did understand why people got upset. I just depends on, you know, what portion of the people that got upset that you agree with. You know what I mean? Like where, but anyway. Yeah. I'm very curious.

One last thing. I think you're right about the PR thing. I think that's a number one thing that you are absolutely spot on about, man. They have to do a better job of if they pick these people of telling them exactly what they can and can't say in these situations to avoid the backlash. Because if you're willing to be part of a franchise, you have a responsibility to that franchise to not let it take hits. So you have to, in essence, kind of bend the knee a little bit to the franchise as a whole and do what's best. So pick your words carefully. I think you nailed that correctly earlier. It's a business.

Yeah, it is 100%. And it's like, it's not, you're not, you're not running for office. And it's like, it's not. And I get, I get her political stance and she's, and she should, no one's telling her to change that. But if you're, if you're directing a movie for, I mean, if we're running a company. Yeah. Look, no, no, you can't do that. You can't do that.

You have to be very. Now you bring a bash go down conversations. But you can't be 100%. I don't be careful with your words because people will, well, wait a minute, what do you mean? And we're going to be right. I just think it was a bad stance. I think it was, I think it did no justice. And it's also not a surprise where they went, tell them about a mandolinian and Groves. Yeah, yeah. Tell them about a timing too. Yeah, it was, it was in the works. They didn't just come up with it out of nowhere, but they were like,

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And then it's, and then you realize you're paying $55 a month. You'll get rid of that thing. Anyway, so, you know, we didn't really touch too much. We got into a good conversation, but we didn't touch too much on, like the cast itself are fantastic for. Yeah. Vanessa Kirby is you think that it's Vanessa Kirby. You think it's going to be Joseph Quinn?

That's the one that people say like maybe, maybe not. But it's definitely, Evan, uh, from the bear. He's definitely. Yeah. Yeah. He even commented. recently he's in no comment whatever he said but he's like I can't say yes I can't say no so yeah he's he's cast um and I think that Javier Bardem will be cast so I hope I think Joseph Quinn is a fantastic

choice yeah nice out of the box choice yeah and people don't have a lot of baggage with him so you come in enjoying him off of that strange things a strange thing season yeah you're like yep great I love this let's let's see what we got in this kind of a situation it's a good paycheck for him and he's a young actor, so he's not going to cause you a lot of trouble on set. So I think it's a great mix of actors. My question is, where are they going to go with the story?

Because, I mean, we initially were pitched that it might be a love triangle with Doom and Fantastic Four and, and Sue Stone. Well, in the comics, Ben had a thing for Sue. Right. Oh, well, everyone, I mean, let's be honest. But that was the... But that was the love triangle thing,

because it's... The rumors that it's supposed to... they play place in like the 60s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they'll, it would make sense because it's like, where the hell were they during all the Thanos stuff? Right, right. They probably were in the 60s and then something happens

and they have to come back to 2024 or something. Right, right. So no, I like the cast. I think it's a good mixture of actors, all strong, solid actors. Didn't Evan Moss, I thought he just won the, well, he was nominated. Critics Choice, one. Yeah, Critics' Choice.

Okay, yeah. So it's good to see that the combo here and see what they're going to do and the chemistry they're going to have. I'm looking forward to it, you know, and I like Shack. Beckman as a director and creator. So I can't wait to see what he put forward. You think all these are these are, these are done deals.

This is our fantastic before. I haven't wavered since Jeff announced the news and the more people kind of go out and left field, but then they always seem to come back to these four. That makes it very clear to me because we have sources. People talk. You have sources. I'm sure Christian.

People talk to us who work in these companies and these businesses. And, you know, we hear things. That's it. It looks at. So anyway, I'm curious what you guys think. Is this the cast? Do you think that we're going to see anybody else?

I saw a few people hoping that Jody Comer maybe would get it. I like the Vanessa Kirby choice a lot. To be honest, I think she's going to be great. And then I do, and I think, as I mentioned before, Pedro Pascale is just a great talent. I just, you know what it is? It's the fact that also now I see him, now I see him as Joel, you know, from last of us.

So it's like when people, because that show is so popular, can people, now sometimes people can separate and go, oh, look, look, and he's such a good actor that he'll make you, believe that he's but can you look at him and say that's petro pascal doing a great performance or can you say no that's read richards it's a good question yeah so because Vanessa kirby is recognizable she's not a household name right um same thing just oh there's eddie that's people are gonna say oh that's look at him a short here that's eddie from stranger things that's what they're gonna say and then is that the guy from the bear that's that's the conversation that's going to be all of them

can play into that's the thing right that's johnny storm now that's sue storm um but can pedrope Pascolle got past the Pedro Pasol was great and fantastic for it, but he's doing another movie next week. You know, right? Because he's in every. I mean, the guy isn't everything. No wonder he's got a broken arm. He's probably, and the stupid thing, he's probably got a broken arm opening up a can of soup or something. Probably, he fell at his dad's house over Christmas.

Oh, is that what happened? He was in Chile with his family. You know what's so stupid, John? What's my? I don't know what it is now, and I thought it was an OBS thing. Yeah. But it's not OBS. I don't know what it is. It's stupid. thumbs up that the screen now. Where they come from, I don't know,

but every single time it doesn't know, it frees it on my stream yard, it freezes it on my OBS, it's so dumb. I found a way to take that off. You got to Google it, and it's a real quick three or four steps, and then you're done with it. It never happens again. I don't, please.

It's the worst thing that anyone ever created. It's so dumb. If anyone has the answer, you can put it in the chat. It's the worst. All right, let's see. I want to Let's get this to the box office because this is an interesting, an interesting weekend because there's not a lot out, right? Mean Girls, the new film adaptation of the stage musical based on the 2004 film,

Mean Girls, once again, ruled the box office on what is expected to be one of the lowest grossing weekends of the year. The ladies saw a 62% decline, but they are still sitting atop $11 million for the three-day weekend. At 10 days, the film will sit at 49.3, putting it 17% ahead of the original Mean Girls. The overall box office was 68 million down 8% compared to last year in this weekend. A market change for the first two weekends of January, which have been ahead of 20203, and were 85.7 million and 97 million, respectively. The second weekend of the Jason Statham led the beekeeper fared a bit better in terms of dropping off,

falling only 50% to 8.3 and a 10-day total of 31 million. The only wide release this weekend, the International Space Thriller, ISS, was a bit of a fissor on a debut with the opening of a very, just 3.3. Critics were mixed and audiences gave it a C. IMAX's Queen Rock Montreal is going to do 1.72. Origin by Avedue Rene is set to take an 833,000. I want to see what Wanka did this weekend because I was, I mean, it was, there was still like 12 people in the theater. Movies been out for like forever. But it's, yeah, it's 531 million so far. It did this weekend. Wonka did, um, six million?

Did six million was number three yeah it's six million this week Mean girls do three point two to lead the thing so 11.7 Mean girls 11.7 beekeeper did eight point four walker did six point four and anyone but you did five point four shout out to anyone but you that crossed a hundred million dollars I don't know what I know is talking about this movie roxy it's a favorite movie the year last year she loved that everybody that it look they should go see this thing but you know what's funny we have Roxy, myself and Brett had this whole debate about streaming. What should be a streaming movie? What should be a theater movie?

Now, if you would have told me that that movie cost $50 million to make, I said, you're a lunatic. It should be on streaming. No one's going to watch that movie. Why are you spending $50 million? But when you're spending $25 million on it, throw it in the theater. It's counter programming. See how it does.

And it hit $25 million. Glenn Powell is an up-and-coming star. It probably costs, what do you get $2 million to make that movie? movie maybe maybe not even um and you give you the the talent doesn't cost that much to put in the movie itself it's an old school movie if it hits you get a hundred million dollars you do what you need to do counter program who gives a shit if the critics like it or not and it was a very smart business choice it's the same reason those horror movies that cost 33 dollars in a snickers or uh like those movies like when like when those things happen you're like oh wait like like that's what does it

Night swim. The stupidest, the stupidest idea in the world. Let's make a movie about a haunted pool. And I think it's just coming out on Blu-ray, like next week. And it, like, and it probably still made money for them because it costs nothing to make.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, the horror movie genre is where it's at. You can do one for $10 million and it makes $300 million. If you worked out the right deal, you'll never have to work again in the rest of your fucking life. Like that's the game.

Right. Right. But, but that's, and see, that's why I feel like this, the day of the spending the $200, $300, $300 million.

on movies. Like, it's so, it really, if I'm sitting back in that room and as a board member, even in Star Wars, even in Marvel, my guys, it's Star Wars. Let's make it for like $80 million. Let's make it, let's make a Star Wars movie for like $60, $80 million. We'll make our money back like that. Yeah. It's like they're trying to like throw the dart at the billion dollars.

And it's like, hey, idiots, if you just scale the go, go Terminator one style and scale it down. Imagine they brought back, I got to say this all the time, Terminator, but bring it back for like $60 million. And it feels like a Blumhouse film of terminator, a Terminator in a Blum or an 824 terminator. Oh, right? Look at prey. Look how much prey that. Exactly. Yeah.

Exactly. But give me an 824 terminator. I mean, they're going to, aren't they doing an 824 robo cop? I don't know if 824 is doing robocop. I know that somebody's doing robocop. I thought it was 824, but I might be. wrong. I might be wrong. Anyway. So the box office though, I mean, look, this was another reason. Look, look at the champ, mean girls, right? Mean girls didn't cost that much to do. You and I weren't

major fans of it, but the audience that it was aimed to is kind of back to my point beforehand. You're aiming towards the fans of the musical, fans of the movie, you're aiming towards that audience, and you nailed it. You nailed it. And that's, and you didn't spend that much money to it. And you you made you made money off it and then you get sort of second row who cares if it was only 11 million dollars what the movie cost to make i mean let me yeah i'm gonna look at that budget that budget can't be too much 36 is that with the budget what 36 million is really okay that's what the budget is interesting all right so i'm curious um so what and what it's what he says so i don't know what you want to take so what did it do and what is made so far worldwide

Worldwide, it's sitting at 66 million worldwide, with 50 million coming from domestic. Okay. All right. So you probably got to, you can probably squeeze another five or 10 million out of that thing. And you do, and, you know, you make, you make, maybe make $10 million. Great. That's the difference, though, when I say that about, you know, when you make in a movie like this, you can walk away from it. And so, we made $10 million.

Yeah. It's like, that's it. If you and I made $10 million, bucks. We didn't turn the camera on ever again. I never work again. We don't know why. Just invest it and make money off to live off that. Done.

Done. Yeah. But like in the studio is like, that's Wednesday. Right. So all you that hate me and don't want to see me, just give me $10 million, you'll never see me again.

I write the contract. You should do that. The next controversy you find yourself in, you should start a go fund me for the haters and say like, hey, you want me to go away. Here's my go fund me. 10 million. I'll go away.

I'll go away. They'll never see me again. do that. People should do that to the haters. Tell people, I'll go away. Here's my, here's my, here's my go from me. When I hit this, I'll go away. You hit this number, I'll be going. I'll do it. I'll move. I'll move tomorrow. Everybody who hates me. Everybody wants to go to a little farm in Wales. You'll never hear me again, man. Hey, listen. I heard all of living in, living in New Zealand, one of those hobbits sheds.

He's living in a hobbit shed. Why? Because they give him 10 million dollars. He's he constantly, he's trying to build a Gandalf, a full You know, from the back, it bumps his head just like Gandalf did. Remember our old friend Alicia, Alicia Malone? Of course. She did it right, man. She took off. She just attached from social media. She's a host on TCM and she's on the East Coast doing her own thing, man.

That's the thing. Once you make that money, you can just disattach and just go and hang out and live your life, write your books and do your thing. That's it. Anyway. I can't read that one. Yeah, 10 million. Um, anyway, so speaking of which, not 10 million, but I said, it's generous. We see the, um, the people putting in the super chats.

Thank you. Right. We're going to get them. Stop it, John. Uh, we're going to put it. You guys, 10 million on the super chats, please people. Come on. Yeah.

For one to retire. I'll give John two. Two. Son of a bitch. It's like, you, you'd be, uh, what, uh, before and after. Okay. Whatever that means. Um, anyway, we got more stuff to talk about.

There's a lot of stuff actually to talk about. I want to bring up, the show that I want to bring up is, I want to bring up Reacher. I think there's, great show. Yeah, it's really great. Don't I have, I thought I had a picture. Maybe I don't have, I do, I do. Is that Reacher?

There he is. There is. So I haven't watched season two yet. I just finished, because I just finished season one with my, I got my lady to, to finish it. Yeah. And so we watched it. I finished it.

I loved it. I really did. And I saw the, this guy is getting bigger by the second, by the way. Yeah. And I don't mean, I don't mean, I don't mean, I'm, I'm, I mean physically. The guy is, the guy is, he was huge in the first season and he's twice as big in the second one. This guy should be working for the WWE. Him and the Rock for God says. He could beat the piss out of the rock. This guy is huge. With the, with Amazon Prime's Reacher having wrapped its second season this past week, tension now turning to the third one currently in production. Speculation reminds, excuse me, remains high as to which of Lee Child's books will be adapted with series star Alan Richardson previously hinting that it would be more standalone title.

that won't delve into Reacher's past the way that season two did. Thus, likely candidates include worth dying for Gone Tomorrow without fail or tripwire. In a recent interview with the messenger, Child himself pretty much confirmed Richon's quote. He elaborates saying that one of the big reasons they chose the book they have for the third season is because it's Jack Reacher working on his own. We've picked it up. It's chosen. It's a good choice. I've got to say, I think we've been very creative about how we sequenced the type of story.

We felt we needed a book that was more Reacher alone for the third season. And so it was a question of which story would work best for that and which one would have a great opening scene and all of that and the one that we loved. We found the one that we loved. The first season saw him allying with two characters, new in his life and an old friend, the second with his old teammates. That sounds like it's going to change for the third. So I would assume what I did like it, it's like this almost like wanderer that goes from like town to town and everything. Did you read the books? Like Kung Fu.

No, Kalanowski's read the books. He's a slavish devotee to those books. But I love the series and I love the character. And, you know, I like the first time Cruise movie, even though he physically wasn't the right shape. I hated the second one. But the two seasons of Reacher have been fucking fantastic. Yeah, I heard the two's really good.

And two looks really good. So we're going to start watching that, but we start watching True Detective. And then watching that Mark Wahlberg movie, the one on Apple? The one with the dog or the one with the kids? No, the kids. The dog movie is coming out. The dog movie looks good.

So a trailer for that. That one's coming out later on. But no, this one was the, he was, you know, it's a, we've seen this story a million times. It's the guy who was an assassin in his past life. And then, and then now it's catching up with him. His family doesn't know, Bridgettmanahan. No, Michelle Monaghan.

Michelle Monaghan. That's the one I lost. Oh, yeah, that's right. No, no, you lost to Judy Greer. That's what I'm saying. I said Michelle Monaghan. Oh, you should be all right. Trust me.

You remember the losses. That's right. So, but, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we were watching it. It's fun. It's a, it's a, I'm watching. We're watching our 12-year-old. But, yeah, but anyway, so I didn't get a chance. We were going to start watching Reacher season two. But I really like what they did. I think that I remember when the Reacher movie came out and everybody was talking about how Tom Cruise is not the right choice because as good of an actor, it's kind of supposed to be like this menacing kind of like, you know, six foot three dude. This guy, the second I saw this, I'm like, I remember this is this guy's, this is, he was built for this role. Yeah, yeah. He's great in the show. The second season is fantastic because it's much more about going back to his past, and you find out more about Reacher's past and his crew he worked with, and someone is executing members of his crew,

and he has to find out why he has some good. A commando style? Commando style. Yeah, yeah, he's got to find out why, and he's got two, like, awesome, badass ladies rolling with him from his team. And these are actresses that are Canadian actors. I haven't seen them in much, so it was great to discover them through the show. But it's brutal.

It's fun. It's out there. It's got commentary on things. So I appreciate the show for so much of what it's doing. And I think Richon's a fucking great guy, dude, man, honestly. He's so good in that. And then you know what I'll say, though? You don't realize how tall the guy is because when we went to critics of critics choice awards,

what's the cop, the female cop? She's also in a house to follow the house of the usher. Okay. But she's the main cop, his love interest in the season. In the first season? The blonde? She seems in when you're looking at them stand next to each other. She's like, oh, she might be, she's kind of tiny. She's almost as tall as me. I'm six foot one. She's like, she's like, she's like five nine, five ten. And she's, unless, you know, just the heels,

but I couldn't believe it. And I'll tell you the, the girl, who's, who's, who's, who's the black woman who plays his, is she in the second season? She is, right? No, no one in the second season. Really? The one, the, the one who, there's cameo with two people from the first. Okay, because I thought that, because his, I guess not as apprentice, but it's like who were, the one who he like kind of trained, the sniper.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. She's as tall. She's almost as tall as he is. Yeah, yeah. But like I thought, I was surprised that, I'm surprised to hear you say that she wasn't in the second one because,

because I thought she would be. Oh, they said, they said, Neegli is, is there any of? Let me take a look, because I might be confused about who you're talking about.

Hold on. They said she is in it. Hold on. Maria, Maria Sten. Oh, yes, yes, yes. She's a bigger part in the second one that she's going to say. I thought I saw her in the trailer, but yes, so she's so close to it. Yeah.

She's a badass. She's a badass. She's awesome. So I'm excited to see that season. I'll be watching that. And I got my wife to watch it too. So that's something that I can actually get to. But anyway, all right, let's, we have some other things that I want to take.

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Let's do Harry Potter. All right. We did the box office. We did. I want to take down that Xavier Jones thing? What's that? His comment. Oh, is it still up there? Yeah, still up there saying, Needly. I get drink trade just to get.

Perfect. Perfect. Well, good. As long as you're getting it. It's fine by me. All right. How about that? Um, where are we? Where are we? Okay. So the Harry Potter, Hogwarts legacy was the top seller. We know that. Yes. The Harry Potter. Harry Potter, there's, I guess there's, taking they're taking pitches now. Did you hear this? Yes. I tweeted about it over the weekend. Yeah. So here's this is this is the story itself guys. I'm going to tell you. So they have we, we had heard a little while ago that Harry Potter was or yeah, they're going to redo the whole series basically as, excuse me, the whole book series as series on Max. Some people didn't like that.

I don't know where John stands on it. I think it's a brilliant idea. I think it's a brilliant idea. Now following its announcement back in April last year, Winter Brothers Discovery's plans for Harry Potter television series moving forward. Deadline reports that pitches for the project began with this week in Los Angeles with multiple writers vying for the rights to adapt J.K. Rowling's seven books into a series for Max. Said writers were reportedly commissioned by Max to create pitches for a series reflecting their take on the IP.

Winners will go to the next round in the UK. Martha Hillier, Kathleen Jordan, Tom Moran, and Michael Leslie are a among the names in the mix. The extent. What does that? Let me see a second. Hold on second. Are the names in the mix for create pictures here reflecting on the, is that for the writers?

Okay. The extent of authors, J.K. Rowling's involvement remains a contentious topic in the fandom and the trade reports that, along with an executive producer credit, she is expected to be involved in the decision making on the series. Trade adds that Max is open to the possibility of developing more than one idea based on the franchise, so there may be the opportunity for more than one of these writers to be involved. David Zazlov has previously indicated the plan is for the series to run for 10 years.

So whoever is committing is for the long term. I mean, look, that's so where do you stand on this? Where do you stand on them making Harry Potter into a series? I got no problem with that. I love it. You know, as I tweeted out over the weekend, I worked as a wand keeper at Universal Studios in Hollywood, and it was a hell of an experience for two years. It was wonderful to talk to people and do the show for them and pick them and pair them

with their wand. So people love this franchise deeply, man. So the movies were great for what they were. I think it's a bit of an uneven series in terms of the quality of some of the movies. So why not approach it and do a series? Because what's the big complaint that a lot of people seem to have about the movies? We didn't get deeper into the stories. So what's a great way to do that? Do a series. Explore more of the stories. Some of the characters that you didn't see in the movies, explore their stories. So there's a way to flesh out the world much more in a series than you can in a movie. So I think it's really smart. Look at Percy Jackson. My daughter was a big Percy Jackson fan and she was and she was like, oh, it's so much more book accurate because I've always said this about

like really solid books. I get why you're going to make them into movies again. It's that same argument or same conversation rather that we've been having the whole time. It's about like your business chance of like trying. Look, they made so much money off Harry Potter in in the theater. Like to make them as movies again would be a colossal error. I think so too. Clossal error because you could you'd have to essentially do the same thing when you have to try to get that perfect magic of maneuvering around really layered books this is the whole point to do it as a series is what you just said is that you can do more with it you can you can you can really flesh out more of the ideas that they had to leave behind because there's only so much you can tell in a two hour and 20 minute movie um i like i because i saw someone say like

i don't need a remake of it i just wish they would tell it from different time periods yeah but i remember i remember reading the first four books and watching and going i really like these movies but man i wish they didn't cut that out, even though I know that they probably had to. Right? And those things will be. I want to see that happen. The thing is, and this kind of goes back to our earlier conversation, I think this is going to be one of those things. It was like, how are you going to cast it? You know, what's it? How's it going to be cast? When they did Curse Child and they brought in a black actress to play, I think Hermione, people got really, really upset. So how, what's the approach that you're going to take with all of this?

How are you going to cast it? Because look, she doesn't write a lot of people of color into her. into the original source material. So are you going to take some colorblind casting? And she is the end. She is the end all be all. I wrote this in my tweet. Everyone's going to have to bend the knee to J.K. Rowling.

Whatever your feelings are about her opinions on certain things. They're not going to get rid of her. They're not going to surrender it without iron grip. She'll hold until she's dead. So you're going to have, whatever pitches they are, you're going to have to get her on board with it. But clearly,

as you said, since Hogwarts legacy, people tried to stop people from buying that thing. it was the number one selling game. People love Harry Potter. That's what it comes down to that. It's like it's like anything else, wherever you stand with it, it's like you, it's separating the art from arts if you love, if you love Harry Potter, right?

If you're like, right. And I'll tell you, I mean, people are like, don't buy the game. And I was like, I'm not going to buy the game for my daughter. And she loves the, she loves the game. I understand. But there's, we're talking about two different things here in general. Because I also, and when we, and even when it goes back to all the stuff with like, Ezra Miller and everything too.

I have a very different approach to when people are like, well, don't, don't if you see the flash, then you're supporting Ezra Miller. No, I was supporting Michael Keat. I was supporting Sasha Kai. I was supporting like any director.

Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot that goes into these. The games themselves are the people who made that game that spent who knows how much time on those games to make it. And now you're not going to see it because of someone else's comments. I just, nah, yeah, yeah.

But I think that it's going to be, I think overall we're going to have a really good, I think this is the series, this is a smart thing for them too because they also need, they also need something big for their, for their streaming service, right? They need something, yeah, yeah, a big hit series like that. It'll be a massive hit for them. I mean, I agree, I agree. And let's make a deal.

Yeah. If they do cast people of color for people out there who hate that stuff, and I see somebody already commenting about it, why don't you believe that they cast the best person for the role? Let's just go. They cast the best person. Let's accept that. How about that?

They cast the best person for the role that went open casting with it. I'll be down with that to see. We'll see what's going to happen. Latinos belong in a goddamn wizarding world. Let us in there for fuck. But that's the other thing is that maybe you have other characters. But there are other characters inside that I think that you can do that with. I think that's, I think there are.

are some characters that you could do in general and and because they have especially as you're just talking about that have more fleshed out roles in the books that some they were just cut in general that you could really elevate with a bunch of different actors and actresses right it's like it's when you start to do with well you know what let's the but for this round let's do this with Ron let's do instead of Ron being the right because then it changes everything it changes the red hair thing it changes all that changes the so it's just yeah who knows who knows what curious to see the pitches, Christian, because I want to see what they're proposing. I'd be curious, yeah.

All right. Now, let's get to something not controversial because we've been doing too much controversial stuff. Let's talk about JJ Abrams' Superman. This is the, this is the, this is the picture that comic book movie had. When Warner Brothers and Henry Cavill couldn't reach a deal over Superman's Shazam, wait, Shazam cameo that appeared to be it for the British. actor's time as Man of Steel.

A headless stunt double was used in his place and the DCEU moved on without him until Black Adam rolled around. Thanks to Dwayne Johnson's influence, Cavill was brought back into the fold and even got to shoot a cameo role for the Flash and that ended up on the cutting room floor when DC Studios was formed around the Justice

and the Justice League Star was fired all over again. Before Cavillers we hired, the news broke that J.J. Abrams had been tapped to develop a new superhand movie featuring a black call out. From the start, The idea for the project seemed to take place in a separate reality with a story rumored to be in a period piece, which explored the impact of a black Superman in America at the height of the civil rights movement. Answering fan questions on threads, DC studios, James Gunn said, yes, it's still in the works.

He didn't elaborate on those comments, but this lines up of what he said last year. They said that both Superman movies are totally unrelated. His movie is an exciting movie. I know that Shantel Nong, who is executive on that project, is very excited about it. So if it comes in, it's great, which I haven't read the script yet. and the timing is right, that could happen. It's totally unrelated. It would be an elseworld's tale like the Joker.

I mean, so for anybody losing their minds about this one, yeah, you're getting this, no, this is the difference. This is the difference we're talking about. You're getting the Superman that you want. You're getting in 2006, right? No, 25. Yeah. And that guy looks like Henry Cavill.

He looks like Christopher. He looks cut from the, cloth of Superman looks. So if you're bitching a moaning about JJ Abrams doing a black Superman, cut it out, don't see it. It's not like they're not, there's James Gunn's saying you got a separate, you got a separate move. I think it's a very interesting take. I want to see how

they're going to do it. And I also love the fact Superman's my favorite. I love Superman. I can see two versions. I get to see two versions of Superman now. And they're not replacing anything. They're not trying to say, oh, this is our version now. We're just doing that. They're giving you an else world's project. I think that's, I think it's a fun story and I think it's, well, not fun story,

but it's an interesting take on it. And yeah, I mean, how do you feel about it? Yeah, we, you know, this is something, you know, I say, okay, all right, I got into, right, what I got in trouble with a few weeks ago. Yeah. Is me saying like, you know, you know, relax. We're all going to be fine, for God's sakes. We used to be okay with exploring different points of views and seeing new ways to approach

these older stories. And now people, you know, there's certain sections of the loser fucking minds over it. And it's just, you know, whatever they feel about it. But to me, this is an interesting project. It's a fascinating project. Even Chris Rock had a joke about how Superman avoids the black communities when he flies over. That's funny shit. So it's like it's a great way to approach it by ball busting without everyone getting so fucking sensitive.

You know, the same people calling people snowflakes. So there's snowflakes themselves. And it's like, relax. Everybody relax. Let's have fun. Let's see what this is like. Could be really interesting, thought provoking. We used to be okay with being challenged.

We used to be okay with it. But do that, though. If you're going to make a thought-provoking move, right which they should in in in this pitch yeah again 60 to 80 million don't yeah no 100% yeah don't overspend JJ JJ J J J J J Lose to overspend J J J J J J J Losepenn Let me ask you do you think this will actually see the light of day it depends on how the good descript is it depends on how good the script is and it also depends look there is a world yeah if if if Superman James Gunning gonna be able to say shit in 2026 if this move if his if Superman

2025 doesn't hit it's the DCU is this new one is dead it's dead yeah it's there's no you can't and if not then Zazlov should just should quit because as much as I love gun this is it this is your shot because it means that no one cares anymore

that's what it would mean because if you can't even start your I mean because then we unless you go right unless your next one after that is brave and the bold like okay look and then Mushietti's coming off of not great public right because of the flash yeah yeah And so you're going to have, I mean, you got a hit with Superman. You got to.

Yeah. And so if that hits and then, you know, and maybe Joker two, do you think Joker 2 is going to hit a billion the way the Joker did? Yes. You did you hit a billion? Oh, yeah. Totally. I think because if they, like you said, if they nail it like they nailed the first one and you throw in Gaga in the mix, I think this has got the potential to hit a billion. Absolutely.

I think it does well. I don't think it has a billion. I think, nobody saw Barbie hitting a billion. Well, but I think Barbie speaks, I think Barbie speaks for the kind of my point of what I'm going to make here is that I just think we were in a very different time in the way that the Captain

Marvel, Aquaman, Joker, they all made a billion dollars. Or did, First Joker make a billion? The first Joker made a billion. And we were just in that, it was like the golden error,

the attitude error for W. WWE, like during, for comic movies. And they're not, they're not, they're just not there right now. They're just not there. But I think the Joker is something outside of the realm. I know. Comic book movies. It'll do well.

Different of growth. It'll do well. Yeah. A billion though? I don't know, man. I don't know about a billion. Um, what do you guys think? You think this movie can make, can Joker make a billion dollars?

And then I think the reason my point, John would say, if, if the Joker winds up doing very well, then they would say, look, these elseworlds projects are hitting. Yeah. Let's, let's. this script is fantastic for this JJ movie. Let's give it, let's give it a shot. It's like it makes sense. It's like things have to, especially after the strikes and the new deals,

they've got to be way more conservative than they were in the past. And I think it was, it's a good thing, um, that they're going to be so conservative. I just wish they would like this like, I went and I saw that the trailer for like Kong versus Kong and, I mean,

that's about as, you know, it's going to be fun to watch, but it's about as mindless and he's shoving popcorn in your face. watching a movie and like and i think coming off of godzilla minus one and i know sometimes people just want that kind of stuff and i understand that but it's just the same thing for the amount of money that they spent on that movie i mean how much is godzilla that movie that probably cost at least 200 million two to 300 at least and it's like you then you make a movie for i know in 15 million in in japan

but it probably would be around like 85 to 100 here i get it still still just a rich yeah yeah such a good movie um All right. We're going to get to that point, guys. Now we're going to go to your questions. And you guys have been sending them in since the beginning, and we're going to be here until they're done. So don't worry if you have a question in there. And by the way, if I'm going through them and you're like, oh, they stopped taking questions.

We didn't. So we literally will stay here until the last one is answered. So here is the first one. This one comes in from Matt Boyle, who said, So I watched The Godfather Part 3, the recut version, and I enjoyed the recut version more than the original, but I do agree that Sophia was the worst part of the movie. Yes, I felt so bad for she, she is the whole, you know, you know why she was even in that movie, right? She was thrust

in there at the last minute because it was a writer, Winona Ryder and Annabella Shora, Annabella Shora, of course, if you guys remember from Sopranos, and she's an actress, she was in the law and order criminal intent. She was the original choice, then she backed out, then Winona Ryder and Winona Ryder and One owner-Rider cited exhaustion and went and did mermaids for God's sakes. And so Sophia came in at the last minute to kind of step in and she's not an actress and it showed throughout the movie. So yeah, I feel nothing but sympathy for that situation.

All right. So trivia. Who was originally cast as Mary but dropped out due to scheduling conflicts first? Yeah, I went on a writer. Yeah. Julia Roberts was first. I don't believe you. I don't believe you.

I am a Julia. Sam, no, but this is, but this is, Google it. Julie Roberts. I googled it. Google. it but it was it was her and then it was also and it was julia roza look italian where was she played italian what's wrong with you dude i didn't i don't know the one who did it and monotar right is like italian um all right let's and and but you didn't see mystic pizza she's italian

tongue shut your mouth all right mr pisa is great true or false matt damon's and mystic pizza uh true yes small rule bruce crawford 2027 will be a new hope's 50th anniversary oh Do you think that Lucas film will release a new Star Wars film to coincide during the New Year's celebration? Yes. And I think it'll probably be a Filoni's movie. Do you think they'll release? May. The original cuts of these once and for all in 4K?

No, you think never? Okay. I think that they are for George would probably, you know, that George already feels like they've pissed all over his face. He'd probably feel like even more so, an extra stream if they do that. but no I do I do think so I think 20 20s May of 226 is the Mandalorian and Grogu and then stupidest title in the world and then you're going to get in December the Ray movie

and then in May for the 50th you're going to get who better than Flonny to do that especially with you know how he he swears by the Bible of George so he'll definitely be doing so you think the Mango movie would be last in 2028. If it sees the light of day. Well, fair point.

Yeah. If it's the kind of stuff I'm talking about, dude. It's like, it's like, it's just announced the ones you know are coming out first. I mean, there's no, like, if secretly behind the scenes, you, and if someone reports on it, fine, but see you behind the scenes, you're working on a mangole movie and this gets closer, and here it is. It's a tyco movie. The Ryan Johnson movie was announced in 2016.

It's 10 years later, it's nothing. People are like, yay. It keeps claiming it's going to happen. No chance. All right. As it keeps going down here, that was, that was... I don't think it's dangerous to release the Ray movie right after Grogu. Because if people love Mandalorian and Grogu, and then the Ray movie's not quite as great,

it's going to do even more damage. Sure. Yeah, but I mean, you're going to run that risk no matter what. I think that if you put the Flonny one there, the problem is that you've got to, you're asking Flonio, they announced the Asokosos, of season two. So he's got to do that. You got to get skeleton crew. You got to get all these things that tie into that burst. And then so you got to give him a little bit more time to close it out in May. But yeah, because, well, I guess that the argument, the counter argument to that is, look,

let's put the Ray movie out in December. Let's hope that it does well. If it doesn't, we'll have Dave's movie that comes out in May and kind of softens the blow. But, you know, I, and I feel like putting it out in December, though, you've got a better shot to make money. because it'll be the only game in town, really, in that, like, that'll be the big movie of December, will be the Star Wars movie. I don't think it ever should have moved out of it. I think I understand why they're going to do it for Favreau's movie. I understand why they do it for Filoni, but I think that had Solo would have made an additional $30 to $40 million more, if not more, had it come out in December and not in May, a month after Infinity War and four months removed from, or not even, or I guess,

like four months removed from Last Jedi. So Gary Busey went to a nickelback concert. When it was over backstage, he gave each member five cents on a hope this helps. I really hope that's true. Oh, here you go. I believe that you will put these towards you. Here's a nickel back because that is what you asked for and I saw it and I'm a good person. Can I chew on your slippers?

I don't do you fuckers know this, but he's on TikTok. If you want to go enjoy Gary Busey on TikTok, go. I had enough time with him for over three and a half hours for two sessions on a rooftop. in Beverly Hills. I told you that story, right? Yeah, you did. Yeah. Never again. Him and him and Van Dam would be an incredible conversation, I feel. Oh, my God.

That was the thing. I was supposed to, they brought me in to produce his podcast. And it would have been, like, the second they pitched, I'm like, yeah. I mean, let me see, let me see how if he's really, if this is an act? Not an act. Not an act. He's legitimate. No, he's, he's on Mars. Right. Yeah. He's on more. Probably having a better time than any of us.

Yeah. Gary Bucy and Roxy, but on the date. finishing his meal gary said thanks for the job interview and then walked out left through the bill jame real's crushing it right now she's never jami right for me tom hanks bad batch season three trailer we react live nah no i'll watch it later i'm just not as excited as you guys are i'm sorry um everybody's losing you're star wars guy that's why i know i get it but i've told people it's like i like i like the last season but i'm just like people like oh look you're gonna watch it i was like yeah i'll watch him and i'll probably like I really enjoyed the last season.

I'll watch every episode and we'll talk about it on on Sith Council every week, but I'm just like, it's not like, John, we've got to finish this up, I've got to watch the trailer. Yeah, I'm all right. Kenneth Colton, true detective night country has been great. The show has taken elements of a true story

called the, the Dilotov pass incident from the 1950. You should check it out. June part two comes out in 37 days. Yeah. Dude, are you going to see I'm going to talk about Night Country a second, but are you going to, I'm going to, I have not seen Dune, the first one. Okay.

I didn't see it in the, in the theater. Right. So I bought tickets. Winston, Winston's never seen it. Oh. So I'm going to see it with Winston on Wednesday night.

We're going to do an out of the theater for the time watching it. And I'm, I'm more excited for Dune 1 in the theaters than I am for most movies this year. I'm so excited to see it, but I can't wait for Dune 2. The trailer. Yeah. Like,

the trailer came out. I saw the trailer when I went to see Wanka with the kids. And I was like, oh my God. I'm more excited now for for dune than I am star wars wow like it just feels more like the kind of thing that responds to that I respond to now it's like it's like the kind of stuff I want to see in star wars I'm and I could never imagine myself saying that in a million years because I did not like the David lynch movie at all no it's terrible it's bad and I was like this is what I mean and it can't and I understand why Star Wars can't be that because you got it you've got to you've got to you've got to balance it with with both the adult audience, the kid audience, but this is the kind of Star Wars and the kind of stuff that I've been hoping for, and

this is what Dune has shown. Like, there's a moment in the Dune trailer where he's like, I don't know if you, have you seen all the trailers so far? Yeah, for Dune. Yeah, of course. When he goes, and Javier Vardam tells him, he goes, just be subtle or whatever he says. And then he's like, yeah, I'll do that. And then he's

like, riding the sandworm or doing whatever he's done. And I'm like, yeah. I'm like, oh, I wish I was watching this movie tomorrow. Can't wait. But as far as a true detective goes, I'll definitely check that out the uh that's that story I'm I'm getting into all that stuff now man I'm watching you watch a do you ever check out the channel the Y files no what is that dude you go down the Y files is like really it there's tons of different things that this guy goes through these different cases and stuff too they're fascinating well that's good

good fascinating um Chris Jones regarding UAPs have you checks out Chris Ramsey's projects Stargate docks here's I think he'd be a good guest to collaborate in the future I've heard of them but no I have not seen it yet and it's I I mean learning I mean I'm meeting a lot of new people through this one too it's like um show's doing very well for us and um we we put an episode at last week's episode did good it over 105 000 the two weeks two weeks before did 360,000 so it's like it's it's doing well we're bringing a lot of new people to the audience so i'm excited to continue to talk about it to me very important topic and more people should be talking about it um mr downtown was stephen young and pascal dropping out of their films

How has this received business-wise by studios? Are there buyouts and actors blacklisted? It's a great question. I mean, I mean, look, I don't, I, John and I actually talked about this. This is the one thing I always thought was very smart about Vince McMahon, because people always thought like certain wrestlers would never return because of the way they badmouthed the company or they did this or they did that. They made this. He's like, oh, they testified against Vince.

There's no chance. If it was good for business, Vince brought. him back. Yeah. It was good. If it was going to make them money, Vince brought him back. Did not let personal beef and all that kind of stuff get in the way. And that should be the same way when it comes to the movies too. Someone, this guy was using the middle doing one of our projects and he dropped out. Never going to be in a movie again. Hot actor can sell you tickets. Dumb. Yeah. It doesn't help your business. Fine. Then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, then, if it doesn't, if it doesn't help you. But that's, that's business. That's business.

Hulk came back. No one saw that. I mean. See Munk. I'm saying. Look, Stephen you and Figey were shaking hands and glad handing it all over the Emmys. And so critics' choice, I think. So they don't have any bad will.

And what you all don't understand. Don't know. I don't want to say I understand. Don't know is that like these things are negotiated way ahead of time. It isn't like Tuesday it's announced and they left the project on Monday. It's much more like, okay, guys, I'm looking at all this. And there's extended conversations. And then they decide, you know, like when.

they're going to announce that they're leaving a project and all anything yeah anything can be anything can the the biggest beef can be settled um i mean look hell look at jason patrick and keith for sutheran yeah again john julia roberts come on do you see did you see michael rosenbaum asked him about that did he really no i haven't seen that clip love his podcast i've not seen he he's going to be on katy show we haven't come on up oh so he jealous i love inside of you yeah so he so he was um yeah he he She actually asked him about that, about how he got, at the very end of the show, he asked them about how they came back from, because you know the whole story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because he left him at the altar. Yeah.

And then with his best friend, took off. And that was it. You love Julia so much. Oh, yeah, I know, I know. A dirty little player that, Julia. Yeah. I'm down. All right, Gallagost.

Ola, I love Pascal, Luna, and Driver, but I can't help feel the MCU is just digging into the Disney Star Wars bucket for this casting. I mean, look, it's a fair point. Like, you're going to go outside the, you should want to go outside the box a little bit, but there's also, there is also that thing where you come down to Mr. Fantastic and Doom, I feel neat, because as I mentioned before, Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, Evan are not household names. You need at least one household name. You need one recognizable, recognizable name. And those are the names that they're really, and then Javier Bardam, I guess,

is going to be one of those big new people. We'll see. We'll see. Jonah Cloor. Why does Star Wars have to be a trilogy? Well, I don't think they're doing trilogies. Yeah, they're not. They're not doing trilogies.

I feel like that's what trapped the sequels. I wouldn't mind the Ray movie and being episode 10 nuts and no set and at 12. No, they're not doing trilogies. Yeah, they're not. Ray right now is supposed to be just a stand-alone movie and Favreau's movies, a standalone Mandalorian movie. And then, yeah, they're not doing trilogies right now. I think they agree with you.

A couple of them connect up to the Faloni movie, but yeah, it's not a trilogy. In the Ray movie with Sean Levy, Ray's appearance may only be like a small part of that movie, and she can maybe an older Ray. So it's not even a trilogy, yeah. Right. Chris Minor, sorry to leave, but about to see American fiction. Oh, man, don't apologize to seeing that movie. The movie's awesome.

So good. Such a good movie. I just gave it to my father-in-law to watch. Oh, nice. Yeah. Ronetta. Tell me. Hey, fellas.

Just finished Reacher. Wow. Super great show. So much fun. Can't wait for season three. So who's your pick for the Super Bowl out of the top four? Also, when is Invincible coming back? So let's start with the easy question there.

I don't know when Invincible is coming back. Invincible is coming back. I don't even, you know, have you watched Invincible? Oh, I love Invincible. Are you kidding? I'm only three episodes into season one. That's another one I've got to finish. I know, I know.

John, I'll answer the football one because, like I said. The Super Bowl's going to be the Ravens and the 49ers. Or maybe the Lions. Look, I had the Lions as a dark horse all, year on my show. Some of you guys don't know I have a sport. We do a sports show called Game Time on the Game Time Sports channel on YouTube. Me and Winston do it every every Tuesday and 11 a.m. And we've just, we've been watching the Lions closely last few weeks. No surprise they got into the NFC championship game. They could pull the upset on the 49ers who looked shaky last week.

We'll see. So, but Ravens, I think we'll take care of business against the Chiefs in Baltimore. But then I think the Ravens win, to be honest with you. The more complete team. I agree. All right. So, this is an excellent. D-stock, I agree with Christian. Picking someone for the sake of being diverse is the wrong way to go. It should always be about the talent, not based on looks. I think John said the same thing. Yes.

It should absolutely be. I think everybody should be considered. I think that, you know, to have, to just say, well, these characters are always white. They need to be white. That's the wrong way to know. But you should always, you should always look at it. But you shouldn't just cast because you're like, oh, well, they're going to yell at me on Twitter if I don't say this. if we don't do this.

They're going to, they're going to say that we're not doing this if we don't do this. And it's like, that's, you're doing nobody a service there and you're really, you're really putting the actors under fire there in a position. But if you're doing it because that person came in, read the shit out of the role and just annihilate it. It doesn't matter. It could have been a dog that learned how to talk last week. But if that dog was the best role, was the best, you know, being that came in to read, then

you give it to the dog. You know, it's. So that's, that to me is what should be happening. I think that's what everybody's saying. That's the pact. Yeah. The pact is, okay, we'll agree that it's completely colorblind casting and the best actor gets the role, which means if a person of color gets the role, you can't complain and

complain and say that it's their checking boxes because they let everybody audition for it, and they chose the right actor. They chose the best actor for the role. You're willing to enter into that pact. I'm agree with you. But let's also be honest. If the $10 million would come fast that we could find a dollar. dog that could talk.

100%. I do a $100 million movie. All right. Simon's section was a very, very generous. Hey, thank you, Simon. John, I enjoy your top 10 Sundance movies of all time. I'm alone when it comes to Old Boy. I prefer Spike's version. I saw the original first and what the protagonist did it did, oh, what the protagonist did to himself took me out of the film. Couldn't he have black-brained Pinky promised instead. You don't understand

Korean cinema, brother. The more extreme, the better. And it's just kind of their approach to things. And so what he does there as a response to what he, he's punishing himself. And no, cutting off your pinky is nowhere near, because that's a yakuza thing, Japan. This is a Korean film. That is nowhere near what you should be doing for a situation like that. And thanks for watching that on the hot mic. Yeah, Jeff suggested that as a segment we did last week, top 10 Sundance films ever to debut at Sundance. So it's good stuff. Yeah. All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Very much. It was very, very generous. Yeah, but that's the whole thing. thing that's the other thing too is and i saw as i'm going through these is like people it's it's it really is that

there's this joke that mark walberg says in the in the um when they find out that he's the spy in this apple movie and he also talks about how much he hates social media and i did too like look all the points that you and i just made we had conversations about it and i was talking about um you know the fact that i think you got to be very careful on how you say things are PR and someone's like oh look you're kind of kind of going down the far right side of it. It's like, no, not at all. You're watching a lot of these other channels that are saying, you sound like them.

No, no, I don't. I'm talking, you can talk about things in a way that you have, you can present things where you're allowed to have opposing point of use from your own fucking team. You're allowed to. I hate this stupid thing of we're like, oh, if you don't agree with everything we say, then you're not with us.

You're not on our side. It's so fucking stupid. It's so fucking stupid. You're allowed to have conversations like, John and I, if we're having a conversation about something, and I'm like, I don't really agree with that. But if I say that on Twitter, oh, you're not fighting for the cause? Oh, you're not fighting for the cause? And it's like, I don't agree with you on that particular thing.

I'm allowed to do that. It's my right to do that. Now, it's also my right in how to do it or not sound like a fucking hateful idiot. Right. Because that's what people do. It drives me crazy. It drives me fucking crazy. It's like you, it's disappointing the fingers.

Oh, wait a minute. You said this. This means that you're on the other side. It's like, shut up. Yeah. There's much more nuance to it all. But social media is not the place you want to go for nuance. It just doesn't exist.

And I agree with you. And I love having people with different points of views because I love to talk and debate and converse because the other person with the point of view might actually point out something you hadn't thought about. And as long as you're talking with open-minded people, it's a fun conversation to have. And you become more intelligent out of that conversation. rather than staying in the echo chamber. And you know how I am.

I really, I don't like, I, I am so, I hate both sides. The extreme of both sides. I hate the extreme, the extreme, both sides. I agree. I hate the extreme of both sides. People like, oh, people have, people have said that I am on one side and they're completely wrong. People have said I'm on the other side.

They're completely wrong. I hate, I hate it all. I hate it all. I like to just talk about stuff in the same way that I'm hanging out with somebody. If I have an opinion on something, I'm going to do. Well, I'll agree with you there. I'll agree with you. I don't agree with that.

And it's like, I'm, I am so, whatever you think you're wrong about you. You're wrong. I hate it. It's so stupid. Brian Kalmas, my 11-year-old watched Space Falls for a first time. Hey. Awesome. You're parenting right.

Love that. So good. Okay. Smokey Vandross. Christian, when you're coming on the Cinefiles? It is very hard for me to do other people shows. Listen, I have wanted to have Christian on the show, but it's a four to five hour commitment to do the show. Any movie we pick, because we're now doing almost every movie is two parts, two and a half hours each episode.

And that's too much to ask of Christian. I would love to have them on the show. And maybe down the road, maybe we'll just have a conversation about like Scorsese or something. It's just hard for me to do. But, dude, people have asked me, and what I don't like doing is I don't like committing to people's shows. And then I canceled the last one. I've done it like four different times. Yeah, because I don't, because I just have too much going on right now.

And like, it's very hard for me to do. Like, um, so yeah. And I was, I'm lucky enough. I've done geek buddies a couple of times. I've done, no shows, but it's been very hard. It's hard for me to do it. I just got, because I'm only person doing everything for myself. It's like, uh, Ed Haskell.

Hey, guys, I just watched the Bad Batch final season trailer episode three. Oh, excuse me. Trailer three. For the love of God, ask you. Earlier three episode premiere. I don't know what that means. But the premiere is February 24. Season 3, promote premiere?

That's what it is. Are you going to lose your shit? I wish you could do a live reaction. Yeah, I'll take a look at it. I'll take a look. Maybe I'll do a reaction. I don't know. Anything geeky.

Hey, Christian. Hey, Rooka, love the show. Thank you, anything geek. That's awesome. Appreciate that. But funnel, where you've been? You're usually the first one. Sending support from Bonn,

thank you, butt funnel. Good, and dog. Very nice. Yeah, But Funnel was the first one on, on Capes and Cali said that. We had to do a live one the other day, and it was good.

It was a lot of fun. Ralph, watch Scraise's Silence. What a haunting movie, it really is. It was basically a big FU to anyone who says he only makes gangsters movies. 100%. I love that movie.

Who fucking says that? Jesus. I love that movie. Did you like it? It's an incredible film. It's super exhausting emotionally, but yeah, good movie.

Mike Joyce, I dreamt about you last night, Christian. Hey, I had a dream nightmare that you had to cut back on the regular crew due to funding issues. It kept me awake. Trade coffee. Everything's good. Everything's good. 10 million people. 10 million.

10 million. Or get us a talking dog. Mike Joyce got here late, but did you talk about the trailer for Linklater's Hitman? No, you know, it was, so that's the other thing. It's only a minute long. I just started editing. I shot it. I just started editing my most anticipated movie list. Good job. I just started editing. So I'm going to be that should get out by today. That's my goal.

But I was I was editing on Friday. My six year old came in and she wanted to play this, this Disneyland game that we have. And she, you know, she's six. So every five seconds, she was asking me for help. So I was like, the hell with it. I'll do it later. So I was helping her with this. I had to help my wife out. And the next thing I know was too late. So I have it. It's in, it's in the queue. It's going to be edited. And that movie, the recent, the recent, the I bring that up is that that movie is mentioned in the honorable mentions because I'm very curious to to see that one but I'll look at the teaser for sure did you watch a teaser yeah yeah well I did react to it I'm going to post it later on today yeah one minute long it's not that long but it's a nice nice sample of what we're going to get Travis L Marshall new bad batch trailer what you guys

haven't seen it yet Travis but I guess everybody really wants us to check it out so I mean check that out for sure uh here's here's the next one hold on you guys need to do a live reaction for bad batch looks badass hot damn also Oscar nomination. Do you want to just, you don't just watch? You want to just throw it up there? Yeah, it's a trailer reaction. Okay. I mean, let me, let me find it.

You talk, you know, we'll do one more, we'll do one more question. I'll let you answer it. Well, of course, I can't. Christian, you and Brett should react to Saltner. I've seen, you know, my mother-in-law is going to watch that movie. That would be amazing. Why did he not have any pants on? People are doing reactions on TikTok.

They're posting their reactions to their family watching, and get-togethers. Oh, my God. I just started watching True Detective Night Country, and I love it. Has there always been a supernatural element to the show? Should I watch season one? All right, so, John, why don't you answer that, and I'll look for the trip? Yeah, absolutely. There has been a supernatural element, to a degree in each of the seasons.

Season 3 was much more ground-based in its approach, but yes, there has been slight supernatural elements involved to it, but it always comes back to something human. It always comes back to something that is a part of our world. unfortunately, but feels like it has a supernatural element to it. Pizzolato did that in the first three seasons, which I thought were fantastic. The first two out of the three seasons, season one, season three, fantastic, but season two was okay. I just mean that it was fantastic that he has that element. And so Issa Lopez, who was a fantastic director, going down that route with this particular

series in this particular season. So I love that they're having elements of that. And the spiral thing, that is in every season. So just to let you know, yeah. Can you hear this? no yeah shoot then i can't okay we can do it because i can't because i there's a setting that i need to do unless i do yeah i have to do too long on the setting unless i'll give it one chance here one chance uh no no i don't hear anything no sorry all right so we were going to try to do it if we

can all right thank you anyway maybe 10 million we can maybe 10 million for sure and john's going to probably reacted on his channel anyway. Haskell 420 special happy birthday show to superfan aisha. Happy birthday. Aisha. Aisha's the best. She's the best. The moon for a 100 million Star Wars film are we talking with marketing? No, no, no, not with marketing. Right. Seems like it'd be tough to attract higher talent with a budget that's small. No, you get, no, no, you get, what? You can get anybody with Star Wars. But the, but the point is this, though, that the problem is that because, Because it's Star Wars, agents start sniffing and go, come on. I know you guys got it.

They want this. And so what you have to do is you've got to go after talent. You got to go after, because it's Star Wars, though, you go after talent that's really good. Look at someone like a, like we were talking about with Glenn Powell. As Glenn Powell is building up right now, eventually he's not going to beat him. And he's going to be five. He's going to be 10. But you get them now and you build them up while they're coming out.

And Star Wars, you can do that. But you get one. Look at the original Star Wars. Yeah, yeah. Alex Guinness was your highest paid talent. Right. You know, so you find someone that can really sell the role and you make it smaller.

But no, not with marketing, you're always going to have that extra money for marketing. Yeah. I found someone like less grossman and go in and just kind of completely bypassed the agent go right to the actor. You're like, Star Wars, bitch.

Sign on the dotted line. That's it. I mean, Woody used to get all kinds of great actors on this fucking small-ass film. So, you know, come on. This is a good question for you. and i've even talked about wrestling chris minor thoughts on potential rock roman match poor cody um

yeah i mean look i get it but this is the business also it's like if you can get that major match between roman and rock as it's it's fitting to this conversation that we're having here today it's about business it the rock is a major movie star it's like it's one of those things that's going to get people the outside viewers to watch it yeah um and you have him fight roman reigns and then you know, Cody, Cody's still young, but he's going to have to wait again, which sucks. And injuries, I mean, look at Seth Rollins. Injuries happen like that. So I, this is the right choice.

You put, you put rock, I get wrestling fans bitching about it, but this is the right choice. If you can make it happen, Rock versus Roman sells, to go back and watch the rock coming out in that San Diego Raw a couple of weeks ago. People lost their motherfucking minds. And I know people love Cody. And look, they just announced Cody. They showed the artwork. He is the cover person. a solo on the new

WWE 2-4K game. So he is, don't cry for Cody. He's financially fucking fine. He's doing that. And, you know, and if the story was stronger, then people were on board with it. I think in retrospect, they did mess up not having Cody win at the last WrestleMania.

I don't think they'll make it up by having won at this WrestleMania. So you go Rock versus Roman, that's going to sell you the tickets. And then down the road, Cody can still win at the next WrestleMania. That's still possible. Yeah. All right. Cody Spencer. Thanks, Cody. Thoughts on an animated Disneyverse series with the characters from

various Disney properties, either a continuous story or an anthology like, what if? Not sure if it will work. Just a fun idea I had. I mean, that'd be funny. You mean, it's kind of like Snow White and Cinderella. I mean, they kind of did that in Reckett Ralph for that one scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think there's something to be said about that. It could be interesting if they own all the properties. It could be something if you can put them all in the same kind of verse. Why not? That'd be interesting. I think it's a pretty good idea, to be honest with you.

Yeah. And I still, like, that was the other thing. Talk about how people really took out. Like, when people losing their minds over the fact that what if Star Wars could happen, and they made it this political thing where they felt like, well, if you do what if, then you're going to let the people who hate, they're going to win. Like, what are you talking about? It's like they're going to bitch no matter what those people. It's like if the what if series could be a lot of fun and they did it in comic books.

Yeah, yeah. Stupid. it. All right, here's the next, uh, next one coming out. All right.

There's a lot of different, there's a lot of different, um, people asking us to do this bad batch. I just can't do it now, unfortunately. Um, I don't know,

is that the last one? Maybe it was the last one. I'm looking. Oh, there's another one. Pete Parker. Let's hope that the Harry Potter series is better than Percy Jackson. I wanted to love that show,

but the actors have no charisma or chemistry. Okay. I, did you, you watched it, right? I did. Okay.

You didn't like it either. No, I don't like the, I didn't like the kid cast as strongly as I was hoping to like it. So in the end, that kind of turned me off. Okay. But I mean, it's not for me. I'm not the audience. So don't judge, don't go through my, you know, don't listen to me. My daughter is the audience, right?

And now it's different. But my daughter, if this show would have come out two years ago, I think my daughter would have already watched every single episode and probably watched them four times. Right. My daughter is in a, is in a five nights at Freddie, um, stranger. things, unless she kind of pallet cleanser with Wanka now, she, like, loves the Wanka music, too, but she, but she's like, she's in that mode, but she did watch Percy Jackson, but she didn't, like, race back to watch, like, the second episode, like, right away, and I was surprised.

And I don't know if that's more a testament of the show or just about testament of her choices kind of changing now, you know? Oh, she ghosted the show. Don't lie. She ghosted the show. I know. Maybe. All right. Another, by the way, and I just got a. reminded by our producer PLD. We have a Q&A on our Patreon today. Um, so basically we do a full-on Q&A with all the patrons. You come in today. It's patreon.com slash the big thing show. And that's a 3 p.m. PST today. So if you're able to come on in, do that. Uh, all right, Pete Parker, Joker,

Joker 2 being a musical will hurt the box office. That's a good, that's a possibility. That could be a good point. Do you just skip over and not read the Owen Hampton? Oh, did I miss one? You just put it up and you didn't say it. You didn't say it. I did that a subcontact. I did that a subconsciously. All in hand, the more Roca, please. Every Monday. You got them every Monday. That was PLD. He took it down that section. That's true. But Joker 2 being a musical could hurt the box office. I think they're right. I think they're right. I don't think it's going to hurt it to where it's going to make it a failure.

I just thought I think I think the billion dollars is a tough reach. Well, you all are caught up and it's going to be like a Gene Kelly for a stair shit. That isn't the kind of musical they're going to do. I know. It's going to be, it's going to be relevant to the Arkham thing, but it doesn't change the perception of what people are going to think that it's going to be. that's got on man gaga i know al wrench i want a king's uh knights of a republic or a ray movie or mando and yeah me me too but it's never going to happen yeah i don't think what's unfortunately a fan of the old republic so philoni people think he is not gonna happen not gonna happen and i i don't even want to think about

bifton zawata agree that the lynch movie is terrible now no matter how many how much bibbs tries to say otherwise yeah the house tv movies are great this is lazy to me i don't think it's lazy at all disagree with that I agree with the first part but I don't I don't think it's lazy at all I think it's I think lazy it would be if they remade the movies and just did the same thing I think that would be lazy there'd be that'd be more of a cash grab expanding on the lore and expanding on the books and expanding on what they left out and stretching that each one some of those books are very long and you can stretch the amounts are really and putting it on max and putting that kind of budget into it yeah I think it's

the exact opposite of lazy to be completely honest with you it's extremely difficult Yeah, I don't think it's lazy. Not if they follow the actual stories themselves. Okay, Ralph. Dune is the original Star Wars. A young boy on a desert planet with powers joins a group of rebels to defeat an empire, which movie I just described, June. Yeah, I mean, it's where, I mean, George Lucas was a massive fan of Dune.

That's where it got, that's where he kind of came up with it. So one of the many things, but it was one of the main things for sure. So. Wait till you go to the core of Harry Potter, it's going to sound a lot like Star Wars. Right. I mean, everything is inspired by it. everything yeah exactly the raven effect hey christian john who's a bigger american national treasure giamati or nicholas cage before i get into that did you did you happen to hear the whole

debate that winston and i had on friday money what did you guys debate about we're talking about dr doom and i don't like i don't like the killian murphy um and and neither did winston but then winston said well if you're going to get any oscar or any award guy that's up for right now uh i would rather have giamati than then then then And I said for doom. And he's like, he's like, yeah. He's like, I'm not saying I want him for doom. I'm not saying I want him for doom.

I'm not saying I'm just saying out of the school of him. I'm like, dude, I love Diomani. He's like, hey, guys. Who's going to fight against me? Come on, you can't do that. Oh, Winston. Did you see the rhino, Winston? Did you see the rhino?

It's amazing. Give me a break. No. But you know what's great is, I was actually funny to bring up Jamani. I was watching his speech after he won the award recently. He credited Howard Stern. Oh, yeah. He asked him,

with Howard Stern again. He said, in a fucking heartbeat. I owe everything to that man. I asked him about when I sat down. I talked to him for like five minutes. Oh, yeah.

And I asked him about that. And I said, well, thanks for saying what you did about Sterner. He's like, I meant every word of it. Yeah. But I just,

it's funny because I would tell you that I think Giammati is the answer. Because as much as people love Nicholas Cage and because of the, I feel, and again, after speaking to, I, Gianmati was approachable. I felt like I could approach him. Nicholas Cage is still probably, probably getting to a really cool conversation with him, but it doesn't feel like a guy that you'd see it in and out

after an award ceremony. Didn't give a shit about anything. He's sitting in his tucks, jamming a in-and-out burger in his face, and had no idea the kind of press it would have because he wasn't thinking about that. Jimi is of the people, man. of the people so giamati is the answer yeah uh please tell me you guys are watching true detective this

was saying yeah we are uh john's watched two i've only watched one yeah all right montana bruce hey to you guys both just wondering you guys watching percy jackson not enough attention of being brought to the pain that brought to the show um so i have seen a lot of episode one and liked what i saw i want to but i do want to watch it with my daughter so um i do want to i do want to finish it though for sure and john john didn't john bail on it no i'm not going back yeah that's fair Chase Azarian. Do you guys think you'll ever see Disney give creative control to a filmmaker New Era Star Wars trilogy? I feel like they need a big name to get people excited. Well, I think that that's the problem.

I think they gave creative control to JJ, and that was a big, that was a big issue. I think that's the problem with Kathleen Kennedy is that she doesn't go for a full like, okay, this is where we're going to go overall with, they did this thing with the time periods, but they didn't do, they don't do it with story. They do it with whatever the filmmaker wants to do. Colin Jarvar was the only one out of the three of them that said, oh, well, JJ set that up and Ryan set that up. So I guess I'll just, I have to go off to what they set up. So here's my story.

It connects directly to what Ryan just did. And then it also throws to what JJ set up. The two of those guys are like, no, I hate what he did. I don't like what he did. Oh, I'll come back because I really don't like what he did to my thing. And then he and I don't hear about it. Well, JJ said he likes it. No, he didn't like his, he didn't like his bullshit.

And she didn't care. she didn't care because she was like she was like who's the hot director right now and you can't do that um so i think that yeah i don't know yeah no go ahead scroger no please finish as i i like it into sports you know catherine is a little bit like jerry jones in that you have this really strong IP in the dallas cowboys like star wars but you know you have trouble winning that super bowl you have trouble getting to the nfc championship you can get in the playoffs, which you can't seem to get the job done.

And it feels that way here with her. She's changing horses midstream. And she wants to have more influence or a lot of influence on it. She's not a hands-off owner. Like you would some teams like to have a hands-off owner, hires the GM, hires the coach, sits back, enjoys the success of the team. Other people want, like Robert Kraft did with the Patriots.

Jerry Jones wants his fingers, his imprints, his fingerprints on everything. Kathleen wants that way. And that's her right. But we see the result of it in the uneven reception that Star Wars has gotten over the last few years. Yet people live in hope that they'll square it away. But in no way would she bring a filmmaker and just sit back and let them take control of Star Wars. No way.

Right. Okay. So here's the next one. Future millionaire. Hell yeah. I like that. Sup, fellas. Keep up the good work.

I really listening to both you guys on Mondays. I'm here so Rocco won't threaten to break my legs. There you go. He's good with you, right? He's good. You're good. and smart good job good job uh nathaniel monnard how much money do you think madame web will make i think it's definitely under 200 million over worldwide yeah well i was gonna say you're

domestic for sure uh zero buzz love the show well here's the other problem with that movie that happened that did not director came again talking about PR who's talking to these people like the director comes out and goes that nothing's connected it's not even connected yes the only thing you got That is the only thing you got is to hope that somehow this could be connected to venom or connected to something. It's a standalone thing. Even though we were going to do something with Andrew Garfield and then we're going to do something, Tom Holland, it's nothing to do with anything. It's just a, it's a standalone movie. Why does anyone care?

Right. It doesn't cares. So it's like, and I will say this, though, I didn't give any, like, my daughter saw this trailer. Okay. And it was the movie. I said, Vivian, after all the movies, the trailers that we saw, what? what do you want to see? I'm thinking she's going to say Dune.

She said Madame Webb. Yeah. The damn web. The damn web. She's like, it looks interesting to me. She's 12. Now, she's 12 years old. So, and, and so I don't know.

Maybe, maybe it's going to, maybe it's going to hit an audience that it's not expecting to hit. I thought it looked terrible. It looks terrible. I think the movie looks terrible. I think the movie is going to sink like a stone or it's going to make $500 million worldwide. That's what I think. It's it's one of those films that will have a kits, yeah, somehow will have a kitch factor.

Like there's going to be an audience and wants to come support it. Look, Sidney is in the movie, right? She just made a hundred million hurts sitcom or romcom or whatever. So we don't know the power of Sydney Sweeney. We don't know the power of Dakota Johnson. We don't know the power of these women taken over. I don't see any of the negative buzz that I saw around the marvels, right? Where people are like, we don't need this.

This is more like, fuck, man, this looks like it's going to be a train wreck. but it might be good. I don't know. So we're going to see, I think, when it comes out, well, obviously we're going to see when it comes out, but I just have a crazy feeling it could make $500 million or the other option sick like a stone. Nothing in the bed. I think your last choice is probably the way to go. All right, guys, that's it. We did it. So I want to thank everybody for who threw in some comments. Thank you everybody for the conversation we had here today. I really appreciate it.

Thanks for all the kind words. John, where can the people find you? Hey, you can always find me at the Roka says on Twitter, Instagram, at TikTok, the Outlaw Nation on Twitch. My YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roker says, I will be doing a bad batch reaction and the reaction to hit band later on today. But of course, we'd love to have you all come over there. We're trying to get to 50,000 subscribers, or about to cross 32. So please come and be a part of that with the Hot Mike, the Jedi Way that we do with Kevin Smets and Laura Kelly. And my reactions and the geek buddies with Mike Vogel and Shannon McClung. and most of my podcasts, the Hot Mike and the geek buddies and the cinephiles that are out there for you all to enjoy.

And as I said, don't forget the sports YouTube channel, Game Time, still trying to get that to a thousand subscribers. Winston A. Marshall and I talking NFL every week on that channel. Thank you to John. Thank you to you guys. And thank you again, once again, to both trade coffee, AG1 and of course Rocket Money, if you have the means to and you can support. That's how you can do it.

Thank you to everybody who is here today. As I mentioned, we'll be doing our Q&A on Patreon at 3 o'clock today. Thanks for joining us. We're approaching 120,000. I'm hoping to do it this week. If you are into the UAP Tuesday show, we will be back tomorrow. It's myself, Mark Riley, and Pavel will be joining us once again on the show. So join us tomorrow.

I have a full week. I got my most anticipated video coming out a little later on today. I'm going to have my out-of-the-the-the-the-the-teater reaction for Dune after first time watching in the theater and first time for Winston on Wednesday. So that and more on the channel. So thanks guys for joining us. And thanks to John Roka. Thanks to all you guys.

Appreciate you. And we'll see you on the flip side. All right. Bye.