The Kristian Harloff Show - The JOKER Director Todd Phillips says his time is DONE with DC. Big Mistake?

Episode Date: October 4, 2024

In this episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, Capes and Cowls edition, Kristian dives into the latest news that Joker: Folie à Deux director Todd Phillips is officially done with the DC Universe. After the massive success of the first Joker movie starring Joaquin Phoenix, fans had high hopes for the sequel, but early reviews for Joker 2 have been less than stellar. Could this affect the box office, or will Joker: Folie à Deux still deliver? Kristian also discusses the past buzz around Todd Phillips potentially taking over DC before James Gunn and Peter Safran took the reins, and whether Phillips' departure from DC is a good move. Plus, we dive into the latest rumors surrounding Lady Gaga as Harley Quinn, the newly released Joker: Folie à Deux trailer, and how Arthur Fleck's story could evolve in this musical sequel. Along with updates on DC and Warner Bros, we also touch on other hot topics like the upcoming Agatha spinoff, the ongoing Henry Cavill MCU rumors, and more. Join Kristian, Coy, and Winston as they break down all the latest in the world of DC Comics, WB, and beyond. Don't miss this in-depth discussion on the future of Joker, the DCU, and what's next for the superhero landscape! OUR SPONSORS BILT: http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING LIQUIDIV: GET 20 PERCENT OFF http://www.LiquidIV.com CODE: BIGTHING

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Ask for Dave Gillum. Todd Phillips directed Joker Folly Adieu. A lot of thoughts about that movie in general. But there was one point everybody was talking about how this is before Gunn and Saffron came in, that Todd Phillips should be running the DCU. I don't think anybody's saying that right now. And he's certainly not saying that because he said he's done. This is it.

They asked him about the spinoff for Harley Quinn. He's like, I think I've done it. So we'll talk about is that the right move? Should he keep going? What are our thoughts overall on Joker? I think we're going to have very differing opinions. It's going to be non-spoiler. I'm not going to do spoiler.

But it's going to be, I think we're going to have some different opinions on this panel today. That always makes for a good show. And a very interesting decision by studios to have fan focus groups telling studios what is going to piss off fans in order to make movies and then change them. I don't know who thought about that, but we'll talk about that. That and more on the show today. It is. Christian Harloff show,

Caps and Cowles. We present it with my good friends, Koi and Winston. Let's do it. Here we go. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you.

Oh, I'm so excited. You guys are so excited, too. Thank you. Oh, you know what? F this. I don't even have it anymore. Plea, d'a, d'a, d'a, no, I know what happened.

I know what happened. Stupid. Welcome back to capes and cows. It's myself, Winston A. Marshall. You just want to catch a fade? It's alive. No, I know what happened. I have the intro on my hard drive, and I unplugged my hard drive because I needed it to go home yesterday, and it's not popping up because it's not on my desktop.

It's on my hard drive. So, capes and cows, Christian Harleff presents. I'm here with my buddies, Koi and Winston. Gentlemen, how are you, Winston? God, what did you, what did you say? Thank you. Thank you. I don't know if anybody listened to old school Chris Rock, but in one of his albums, there was he would talk about like, man, why do he is a cold? He goes down to Jamaica. He gets all the sugar and then he gets to Jamaica to pay for it. Why do you, cold brother? Thank you. Thank you. And for my next trick, I'm going to slaughter the Indians. I don't know why that immediately popped. Oh, good. I'm glad that's what comes up when I say hello. So this is my, this is the beauty so far. Winston's Mike for some reason is not sounding great. And Coy and Coy's video looks terrible.

So good start here today on capes and cows. All right. What does sound like? Coy is doing fireworks and just absolutely in, I don't know why. I mean, look at it me. This looks like a video from early 2000s on a Blackberry. I'm trying to bring you the PS2 era. video I want you guys to experience

nostalgia's all the rage right now. This is good stuff. Hi guys. Wonderful. Wonderful. All right, let's get to the first story here because there's a lot of it. And as you guys know, everybody knows this week. Roka is, not only is he in the lead with the questions here.

He dethroned Winston. We didn't think that was ever going to happen and he did it within two weeks time. The current record is 131, but Capes and Cows today already at almost 20. So not bad before we even start. Let's get to the first story here. Here it is. And Joker Folly Adieu, the director himself, Todd Phillips, has said his time in the DC universe has ended following the sequel. Joker Folly Adieu

writer and director Todd Phillips has reiterated that his time in the DC universe has reached its end, with the sequel dismissing the notion of helming a Harley Quinn spin-off project. It is now playing in theaters and following Joker's box office and award success in 2019, I keep saying 2018, Warner Brothers Discovery was banking on this sequel being every bit as successful. As of now, that doesn't appear to be the case. Joker was meant to be a standalone story and while there was speculation about a follow-up,

perhaps pitting Arthur Fleck against the mentally broken Bruce Wayne who'd become a vengeful Batman, that always felt like a fan fiction, more than a realistic prospect. The movie we are getting this weekend instead focuses on the twisted romance between Joker and Lee Quinzell, aka Harley Quinn, with musical numbers,

and an ending that's dividing fans. I don't think it's dividing many fans. I think there are some people who might like it. I know Koya is one of those people, but everybody else, it seems like doesn't. But we'll see. Regardless of whether he goes out in a high or low, filmmaker Todd Phillips views, Joker, Folly Adieu is the end of his stint in the DC universe. It's not really where this movie is headed for me,

he told the Hollywood Reporter when he asked about a potential spinoff for Lady Gaga. I feel my time in that DC universe were these two films. I think we sent her half the script and she texted me quickly that she was really into it and she loved everything you want to hear. And I went to her house and we met about what was going to be the rest of it because we hadn't written it yet. Scott Silver and I are in a totally slow writers. This is a surprising contrast to 2019

when the filmmaker talked about wanting to create his own DC universe for Warner Brothers. I said this will be the first movie and then we'll get the director to do that and then this director would do that and then we'll call it DC Black and Juerger will be the first film. In a weird way, it gives you two bites of the apple of these characters. You can do these kind of characters down in dirty studies over here and still do the DC universe over the. here, to which they said, okay, calm down, you're not starting a label here at Warner's.

Okay, that's enough there. So it's interesting how, let's start with the reason why I think we all will agree on that he's probably changed his tune. The obvious reason, Saffron and Gunn come in, do essentially what he said in that previous quote, right, create their own universe. He comes in and he's not really asked to do a universe, or maybe, maybe if you're lucky, does well, we'll give you a spin-off there, kid. And he's like, F this. I made a billion dollars.

What I want to do that for? And couple that with the reception that it's getting right now. He's probably like, I'm done with this. I'm going to do my own thing. And the third part is, let me tell you, I don't even think Coy, who liked it better than Winston and I, isn't going to justify

a Harley Quinn spin-off movie. There's no world where people are going to support that movie. So, Winston, I start with you, any of those points there, as we tackle this subject, which will probably be pretty lengthy. What do you think? I mean, yeah, I think the split is just going to be either from people that were maybe diehards on the first one, really enjoying it, people that love musicals no matter what, probably enjoying it. I just, this movie just feels like a train wreck. Like the acting is phenomenal.

That is the one positive thing that I can say about this. movie is that I genuinely impressed, I'm impressed by Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga. But I think maybe you guys remember, I had said my concern with Lady Gaga and I feel bad about this is because she's a good

performer, but you're going to end up in a position where this good actress keeps ending up in bad movies. Every time she's now been attached to a movie with the exception of a star is born, that movie has not been good. Like, she's been good, but the movie

hasn't and and and I don't think it's something that she's doing in particular but it is this weird thing that seems to be following her around right now and so I don't know man I as I was watching I was like I don't really care what's going on I by by minute 50 I was already like when am I going to be released from this when is something going to happen like I just I just was so bored I didn't the music was good, but I didn't necessarily always feel like I wanted it. Like, I was just like, okay, sure. And the best, the best scene without getting into it. Well, but wait, but listen, before we jump into like the full,

because I want us to all get into like the non-spoiler review and go over the thoughts of that. I think that's, because that's going to be a long conversation. But the first thing I didn't want to address about like Todd Phillips, right, with Todd Phillips and where he was and what he was doing and how excited he was to potentially start the universe. and what you think from these comments, he's just like, I'm over it. And he also realizes he doesn't think it's going to be as big of a hit as maybe they all thought it was. And now he can move on and do something else.

What do you feel about that? I think the one line of what you said that made me laugh is the idea of like, he should run the DCU. I was like, okay. Like that is what ultimately this movie coming out of it, it looks like in that regard. But I don't know. I don't know what possessed. I understand the Joker being insane, the idea of necessarily jumping into a musical,

I think it's probably good that he's done. And I think that sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle, and that's ultimately what this feels like. So if he's done with D. That's fine. I would love to see what he wants to tackle next, but not any more of this, please. Coy, what do you think?

I think he didn't really have the intention to make a DC universe out of the comics. think if he was going to do anything, he wanted to just like make movies that were loosely related to characters and print giant checks. And I think that changed. And now he can't do that. And so he's not going to get to. So he's out. I mean,

it kind of ties into my experience of the film. I gave the movie, and we'll talk review soon. But I gave the movie like a three. But I think everyone else gave it like a one. So by comparison, people think I really liked it. I have a lot that I have pieces that I enjoy.

enjoyed, but all those pieces are nothing to do with comic books. And I think that they're intentionally nothing to do with these characters. So I honestly think Todd Phillips made a billion dollars making a movie that would have made $7 if it was called the comedian, which is what it should have been called. And instead of making a taxi driver-esque Joker movie, he called it the Joker and then made a billion dollars. But then by the time they got to the second one, that joke had kind of run its course. and he realized he couldn't keep printing money that way. So to me it just feels like Todd Phillips thought DC Black Label would be his like, I have free reign to adapt these characters in this very loose way.

And then the regime changed. And now they're making actual movies of these characters. So I think he just realized he couldn't do what he had intended to do. And he's like, I'm good then, thanks. I think you're probably right. And I think that makes sense that that's kind of the, you get excited when you make a billion dollar movie. You get excited and you go, look at this.

Look what I just did. And then you're like, oh, what can we do next? And that does jump into the points of what Winston was saying about the movie itself, right? So the movie, to me, the first movie, I think I don't disagree that it's obviously not the traditional Joker that we got. It was dealing with kind of mental health and other things. I don't believe that he was sensationalized in the same way that Koi does, right? I think that there's, I think that he winds up in the same way that I don't think that Jordan Belford is sensationalized. I think that it's a horrendous, horrendous person, both of them, horrendous people that are different, and I love both the movies.

And what I will say, without, and I don't want to spoil it for anybody. The thing that I disliked about the second movie was, and it was this thing, and I said in my review, I was watching the movie and I'm like, oh, there's bits and pieces. I'm really, I'm on board. I'm on board. Oh, now I'm really, this is a bummer. This is a bummer. Oh, now I'm on board. This is, what the hell are they doing here?

I'm frustrated with this. Oh, no, I'm aboard. And I'm like, okay, if they can deliver in the third act, then I'm going to say, okay, then I see what you guys are doing because some of the songs, it wasn't the musical itself. It wasn't the musical because there are times that I thought, oh, I see what they're going with the music there. And it's working. Like there's a scene in the, I'll just say musical in the court house that I thought was brilliant. And I was like, oh, where's that? That could have been something that never happens.

And then the, I hated the ending. I hated it. Absolutely. It wasn't. It wasn't good. I hated the ending because I think it totally negates the first movie completely. Makes no sense overall, too, with, we'll get into it when we talk spoilers, you know, in next week. But there was just so much, I'm like, oh, and then there was just because it's quick turn from a different character of like, well, why are they making that decision?

And I don't think the movie ever really knew what it was going to be. But Winston, you know, going off your previous points or what you're saying about the movie, A, continue on those. and then B, do you think this movie is going to hurt financially? Ultimately, yes. I don't think it's going to be a bomb because I think it was too anticipated. I think that people are going to be a little curious to be like, it's that bad? Like, I don't think you're going to end up in a fully turned off Madam Webb type of way or Morbius type of way because nobody wanted to see those in the first place. So I think that it will be fine, but it's not going to hit a billion.

If it hits a billion, no chance, no chance. I will eat an entire Costco chicken in one sitting. You don't have to worry about that. It's not going to happen. It's got a, it was, this looks, Corey, this thing was predicted at one point to make like 130, 140, and now that's lucky it was going to make 70, I think. So, I mean, not worldwide, domestic, but what do you feel overall about, A, the numbers? Because this is what, and I knew this is something I was.

wanted to talk to him about with you because you and I have this conversation all the time. Warner Brothers in particular has been making a strategy of really going. It used to be critics see the movie, then, you know, whether there's some fan screenings or influencers. Now, influencers seem to be the ones that they're going after the most, that they want to get the word out there. And what Warner Brothers in particular has done, they did it with Beetlejuice and they did it with this movie, is they put a fan screening first. And, and they're And they, before the critic screening, because I saw a bunch of people that we know going to fan screenings and seeing it and getting there out of the theater reactions out first because the critic screening was two days later and they didn't want to be behind everybody. So they, so I think with Beetlejuice, it worked because they're basically what Warner Brothers is saying is if you go to Rotten Tomatoes, the critic's score will be down, but the fans score will be up and that's what we care about.

So let's get the fans in there to go see it. Worked with Beetlejuice. I think it backfired here. I think here it gave four days of people to discuss it. And if it, it's really got to be a movie you trust because this movie, you don't want word of mouth out about like this is not a movie for most people. So if you've got hundreds of influencers talking about this, it has dropped from 140 down to like whatever 70, 80 million dollars is tracking because of that system. So I think this movie is not for critics or fans. I think it's, and it's going to be so hard to navigate why I like the ending without spoilers.

But I think it's for Todd Phillips. And I think that Todd Phillips did not care about either. And I think Todd Phillips never planned to make a third movie. I think Todd Phillips got his big check and was like, aha, and was out. So like, I think showing it to fans was the kind of last straw for the film. I think it could have had a pretty big opening weekend. But that fan screening established what the movie was. because we all talked last week about like we have no idea what this movie is the trailers didn't give us

too much to really shape it we know the first film is a certain tone like we all literally said before those screenings i don't know what to expect and i think that would have been a much bigger box office than all of these very loud creators going like oh yeah i think so because it it was i think that this is the one time that they probably should have went because they should have went critics first even if the critics did give it 42% or whatever the hell it was, because the majority of the people that went, the fans were like, I don't care what the critics are going to say this one. I want to say that because the first movie didn't have that,

the critics didn't love it as much either. I think it had this lower score. But I just thought that the first movie, because I loved the first movie. I thought the first movie was great. And I love the different approach that they had and his descent into madness and kind of what happened. And I think he's a despicable human being that by the time. And that was the other thing.

is without spoiling it, there's something that happens at the end of the first movie, the very end of the first movie, that is not even acknowledged in this movie. You know what I'm talking about? It's not even acknowledged. If you're talking about the very last scene. The very last scene. It is a crucial, crucial moment to A, who he is, and then if they're going to do a second story, where it was going to go.

But that is totally negated. It's gone. And it's like, why? well because it's not the story we want to tell now it it's not the story we want to tell and because he's it's it's it's this again i'm trying to tread lightly on spoilers but it's uh it's kind of walking backwards into the character study of i've saw i saw this case you know it's similar to almost like when john boyega in force awakens and last jedi right and when you get to john boyaga's character in the second movie he's already gone through this whole arc in force

awakens that you're like oh okay well he's he's going up he reverts back to exactly who he was that's exactly my problem with this movie yeah that is exactly my problem is that we i could say this much about the first film you have arthur fleck he's getting beat up and he turns into the joker and his whole moment with murray he is fully there yeah and then we get to this movie and somehow how we have gone back to square one entirely. Yeah, good. And we spend most of the film with him kind of floating between square one and two, and he never really gets back.

Be careful on, I don't want to get too, spoilery. I don't know if that's that much of a spoiler, but like the character progression that we got in the first movie does not show up except for a small sliver in end of act two, beginning of act three. the moments you both are describing are exactly why i think the movie ends how it does and i think that was very intentional i i had the exact same problem but and this is a a mild spoiler for the first film not the second so first film mild spoiler todd phillips came out and said that joker will never be someone that is an organized clown prince of crime so the entire first film is going hey this isn't

your traditional joker, but we get to a place where he'll be familiar. And then I think that's why the second film exists. And I will be able to say so much more on our spoiler review, because I literally went through this film, giving it a one and a half to two star. And then at the end, I was like, I see the movie you were making here. And it ties directly into what you're saying. But I think that's why it was a bad move to show it to the demo. It did. And then also, it was never going to be for critics. So I think this movie was for Todd and Joaquin. And I think they got they got paid. They got paid is what happened. Oh, they didn't like paid. But I think they got the joke of what they wanted to do. Yeah. And I think that that was like this is like the most expensive inside

baseball thing. Maybe a ball of all time. But Coy, my problem with that is people make movies for themselves all the time. Why would you make a bad movie? Like that's, well, I don't think they were intending to make it. I think that he was taking some Archie swings and wanted to make the movie they were make i don't think they i think they're they're probably pretty proud of it and what they want to do there's also like five movies in here like we talked about you know we're in we're out we're in we're also how many scenes from the trailers are not in this movie how many right you know things i mean and this isn't spoiling it's just there is enough elements that are clear that there is more shot that that's all i'll say to it it's just i think there's a lot of movie that we will never see i think you're

right and i'm very curious to what you guys think put your thoughts in there you already are putting your thoughts in there and do you think that todd phillips because he did a good first one, do you think that, hey, listen, maybe not everybody has a good second movie or maybe I love this second movie. He should come back where he's like, no, just move on and do something else here.

What say you? Because I will say there are, this is what happens in this business, that even the people who love the first one and don't like the second one are going to turn on Todd Phillips. There's no doubt about it. That's how it works in this business.

Fortune or not, he doesn't do sequels well. Look at the hangover too. So before we must, move on because there's this thing talking about fan screenings and fan input and all that. There's a very interesting thing that came out yesterday about this fan focus group and things that they're going to do. So I want to like dive into that. I know it's not necessarily comic book movie related, but it kind of is because there's so much with both DC and Marvel and I mean,

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Obviously on this channel, there's a lot going on. We just put up our Deadpool Wolverine. Coy, let me ask you your opinion on this. Because both you guys, you guys are both the comic book movie, officinados. So my friend Sam, who is a mother of three, she is very

active with her kids or sports and everything too and just kind of loves movies, just has fallen out and has basically seen nothing over the last like 20, 30 years, right? Has seen no MCU movies, never seen an X-Men movie, saw like 10 minutes of the first Deadpool.

And I said, you, my friend, are going to be doing reactions with me because you can see everything with you. So I started her with Logan. And the first thing I started with was with Logan, because I was curious. And I said, I wonder if someone who's never seen any of the X-Men movies. And because I know that I was going to get her to Deadpool and Wolverine, I said, I wonder if I can start that journey, because I think it is crucial to see Deadpool and Wolverine to get a reaction and to get the kind of emotional pull you want from what happens in Deadpool and Wolverine.

So I said, we'll start with Logan, and she loved it. I absolutely loved it. It wasn't lost at all. asked a couple of questions about who's Charles, this, and that, but like, but for the most part, loved it. And then Deadpool 1 and 2, and then leading into Deadpool and Wolverine. And she was just so, like, now she wants, now she wants to go back and watch all the X-Men movies. So, yeah, I know, it's all going to be a long, I don't know either to do that or the MCU with her. But, but I, but I say, but what do you guys think about that, about her, that journey that she took and the fact that she took it through Logan to Deadpool and Wolverine? I mean, I'm happy that she enjoyed the journey that she was on, and there are definitely high points of, you know, the Fox Marvel universe, but, damn, I don't know.

You run the risk of her being really satisfied with a meal and then being like, and here's some extra sides of the buffet being like, I don't know if I like you. There's some good ones in there, but there's still some good ones in there. Yeah, there's some good ones. Yeah, but she definitely got spoiled, though, with with those four. right out the gate. You've shown her, I mean, I think that's about half and half, to be honest, like X-Men movies about 50-fitty, but I think that of the good Logan and Deadpool are amongst the best. So she's going to be going into like, hey, you know, Daisy few paths is amazing,

X2's amazing, but there's a side of some other stuff. But I honestly, I think it's worth doing. I think it only enhances the experience. I love that and I've got no way to test it. I love that she loved Deadpool Wolverine because obviously I breathe this stuff. Right. Everyone in my life is so plugged in. My fiance hadn't seen any X-Men movie, though. She'd only seen Deadpool 1 and two. So she just had the Deadpool trilogy. She still hasn't seen Logan.

So she got a lot out of it, considering it's contained. So it was good for me because a lot of people with No Way Home were like, oh, it's just because of nostalgia. And I was so afraid of that conversation with Deadpool. And I got to be like, well, here's an example of no nostalgia for these movies whatsoever. A hundred percent.

And that's why I had Sam on today, because there's some things that The first like, the first like 15, 20 minutes, there was a couple things that a little confusing with her with the multiverse stuff and everything too. But then it kicks in. She was losing it. She loved the baby leg stuff in the first two, in the first two movies.

Dude, you got to, she already sort of knows what's going on, but not really at all. The first one you need to show her. Yeah. And at this point, I would say you'd do it in chronological order. You show her X-Men origins Wolverine. No, I can't. Just get it out of the way right now.

I got to do it. And like, this is what that almost was. I know. You know what? I actually might give her a pallet cleanser before you do it because she's never seen Warrior. Oh, that's fun. With Tom Hardy and Fastbender,

which is completely different. Eventually, I want to do, oh, I love, I mean, Warriors is my favorite sports movie. I think next to Rocky, like those two are.

But I think what I might do is if I ever do reactions on my channel, I want to go back to Howard the Duck and watch them all as released. So good. Because I've never, I mean, I've never seen, there's only like three comic movies I haven't seen.

It'd be fun to watch them as they're getting made as opposed to like the experience of, fandom? Yeah. So what's been that? Marvel specifically or just comic movies? Comic movies? I was thinking Marvel first.

Oh, okay. Secret Wars and then I'd go back and do, like I've only seen Superman one. I've never seen Superman 2 still. Oh, you've never seen two? Oh, wow.

Dude, that's my friend. I haven't seen three yet. So. It was so far before we were born. Yeah. Yeah, I love one and two of the best. Anyway, okay, so let's get to this.

Did you guys hear this report? This thing that happened about this focus group thing? Did you guys hear about this yet? Oh, it's so absurd. I just said the headline. I didn't. All right, let me tell everybody kind of what's going on here so they know. Now, this is, this, it was all, I saw people tweeting about it, and then I saw the articles, and it's,

major studios are now assembling superfan focus groups in an effort to combat online backlash. Mark Cassidy, he says, toxic fandom has become an increasingly major issue over the past few years, with more and more people taking to social media to lash out at anything they perceive to be a problem with a particular franchise or movie series that they're invested in. Being passionate is one thing, but lines tend to be crossed, and in addition to relatively harmless, though, we're sure studio execs would disagree. Practices such as review bombing, actors, directors are often targeted

for racist sexes homophobic abuse. There's a general perception that studios don't really pay much attention to this sort of backlash, but this is not the case, according to a new report from Variety. It comes with the territory, but it's gotten incredibly loud in the last couple of years says a veteran marketing executive at a major studio. People are just out for blood regardless. They think the purity of the first version will never be replaced, or you've done something to upset the canon of a beloved franchise,

and they're going to take you down for doing so. It seems major Hollywood studios, none are named, but we're going to go ahead and say Lucasfilm is one of them, are attempting, no chance Lucasfilm is one of them, are attempting to combat this negatively by putting superfan focus groups together to assess possible marketing materials for a major franchise project. They're very vocal, says the exact.

They will just tell us if you do that, fans are going to retaliate. It's early enough and the movie isn't finished yet. We can make those kind of changes. Apparently, studios will also put their talent through a social media boot camp. And if they feel that the character is intentionally challenging, franchise the status quo, they will even take over their social media accounts entirely. We talked about this a little bit less yesterday on the show. I didn't realize it was from this article.

Security firms have also been known to scrub talent information from the internet to protect them from doxing. Take additional steps to protect your actress from one abuse is admirable, but making major changes to your project based on a focus group, believes that majority of fans, a minority of fans will react. It does not sound like a good idea. There's always going to be a certain amount

of negative associated with every major franchise. You're never going to please everybody, so why not trust the creators you hired? Here, here to Mark, for those words. Yeah, this is panic, is what this is. This is panic, and this is also, this is studios still doing the same old thing the studios did,

even back in 2005, three to five, or whenever it was, three to five when I was there, and it wasn't this particular thing, but it was the same thing. They don't, they don't, it's these number crunching boneheads who don't understand, like he says at the end, you, what you do is in the same reason that sometimes decisions are made to put somebody in a movie because they saw something on Twitter and they don't want to get yelled at, so we have to do this. That happens all the time too. And then there's other times when you're like, oh, well, I have to do this because

of this, of this, make the movie you want to make. Cast who you want to cast if it makes sense for the movie itself and trust in the creators to do it in the same way that if you're putting together a story, put together the best story because, as Mark mentions in this article, there's always going to be people who are going to crap on your movies, crap on your shows, question your agenda for, whatever it might be. But if you make a show good enough, if you make a movie good enough, and it's a good movie. The screaming and the yelling

gets drowned out by the quality of the project. If the project is subpar, C. Acolyte, then it's going to get loud all over from every corner because the people that are screaming in the first place, they're screaming, but there's other people who are talking loud about it and saying,

this isn't good, and those voices get hard, and then they go, oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, what do we do? We've got to listen to everybody. What do you guys think? Oh, we shouldn't do that. We shouldn't do that. Shut up and trust in who you're bringing in. Don't ask, focus groups because they're going to tell you what they want to see and then that might not be what somebody else wants to see let's do a real story let's make good stuff but coy this is a stupid

idea right uh one of the worst i think it is the way we get even more like homogenized content we're already approaching committee made movies feeling like that like that was my biggest issue with like the marvels i think my my biggest review consistency was this feels like it was edited by committee shot by committee because i really like the director and i really like the pieces of the puzzle but the puzzle itself is an absolute mess because it doesn't feel like it had a vision it feels so disparate like everything is all over the place if we make that by choice that's not art art isn't crowdsourced as it is art is so diluted by the populace and i i feel like the internet i mean i say all the time the internet was a mistake none of us would have careers without it but it was a mistake

humanity itself is doomed for the internet because we're so connected when there isn't an amount of volume that we can contain that much data and knowledge so instead of trying to solve it by going hey this movie's for you and maybe not for you they're going like we need to make everything for everyone and no one can be offended people are going to be offended by the concept of offended sorry that was for the for any of the metal gear solid fans they they probably caught that um i agree with you that that this is a terrible plan um I think if you want to solve the problem, I understand the idea that there are plenty of very good directors and actors that you've brought on,

but I would genuinely focus on whoever is helming your situation, whoever is penning your situation, whoever is your star of your situation, truly find out if they are genuine fans of what they're making and stop trying to cash a check. Because truthfully, like we just said about Todd Phillips, it felt like I wanted to make this story and if I tie it to an IP, then I can cash checks. You're going to write checks, all that kind of stuff. And I think that's where you can run into trouble.

Sometimes it works out for you. And other times it really doesn't. It can't be the driving force. It can't be the driving force. It's always going to be the goal is to make money on your projects, because, A, you want to stay employed. And B, you want to make more of these things, so you make money. But it's like if it's the overall, like, it's the creative idea that needs to be there.

And it's also, and this is, this is in use. The reason why I don't think it's Lucasfilm, by the way. And by the way, let me address two things. I heard from a pretty credible source that I will say this, which is baffling to me. It was where they said that it doesn't look like the studios pay attention to this review bombing and all that stuff is what he said. He said that it doesn't look like it, but that's not the case. I have heard that a very high-level name that we all know and discussed was asked about certain people that are pretty big in communities about whether it's making videos or other. things too and this executive had no clue any of these people were like and it wasn't like them

playing like you know i don't know who that is i know exactly that is no clue no clue who said like even though people you it's like they're not paying they're paying attention to different things and it's like you know whether that's a good thing bad thing who knows but it's it's not as it's not they're not all paying attention to it and i think that what they should just do is pay attention to what is working who's watching and why they are or are not watching. That's the most important. No, a thousand, a thousand percent, I think the other thing that you should go and look at, because you

have, the trail has been blazed, which of these movies have genuinely done a good job? That people have universally been like, this is fantastic. The original Iron Man, Captain America, the Winter Soldier, Black Panther, let's see, a Wonder Woman, except for Act 3, but for the part people have the tendency to like that movie a lot um coy throw anything out that the guardians

trilogy i would also posit though like i like your train of thought but none of those movies would exist if we only look backward right like all of those movies are innovative so if we only look at what people have seen as successful if we go with this homogenized commodity let's make this a piece of whatever we don't get the new hold on so so my point of that i'm sorry i was just listing a bunch to go one that my point with that was what about it for every single one of those ones that we named was successful i would argue that it's a couple of things one you may have had somebody at the tip top with doing stuff but you let the director cook secondly everybody involved in it was passionate in building out that world telling stories about that character and the characters

that support them and it produced something magical so like i think about like you know a lot of time we want to talk about woke this, woke that, whatever the hell else. I think about Wonder Woman and the sheer number of women that were renting out entire theaters to see it because they got to see Wonder Woman in all of her glory, tell her story being told, respecting what women are thinking about stuff. And people rocked with that super heavy. But then when you kind of lost the plot at 84, people were like, ew, this wasn't the same thing that we saw the first time.

So that's what I'm saying. If you take passion, if you take focus, that is what'll do. stop letting the tech people tell you what the fuck to do, excuse me, to do with your art, like, find people that actually care. I also get more concerned by the day that it is going the way of Silicon Valley where it is a bottom line, not a piece of art. And maybe that is why I liked the bold swings of Joker, which a lot of people didn't, because I didn't like the movie as much as I wanted to. but I did like that I didn't know what was going to happen. And maybe that elevated it for me as compared to me being so tired of everything feeling color by numbers. And if we let these committee made movies keep going, I don't agree with most people.

Like I don't like most people's ideas. I love people, but a lot of people are so dumb. Yeah. I don't want dumb people controlling my movies. The average person barely reads. I don't want that art. I'm curious to what they're going to do overall, how they're going to play this because it's, there's a lot of things going on that you can see that they're not just not paying attention to

that they just don't have the right creatives doing it and if they did you get people you don't need focus groups you just need you just need good stories anyway one of those things as I just mentioned I think kind of ties into it as we're there are shows and I'm just bored to tears all the people just not understand even though my recent reaction with my with my wife, I had to like ban four or five people from the channel because it is still not getting it. That you can make a show for a particular demographic and still get other people on board to like it if it's a good show. And people, if they're not going to, they're going to, oh, this show is just, who the hell's going to like this show? And then nobody likes the show.

It goes away. But if you make a show and it's the right amount of money, it's the right audience, it's going to stick around. And I think Agatha is going to stick around because we had a conversation. wrong last week guys we were wrong we talked about how agatha's numbers were so good and so great we were wrong uh that number it was a worldwide number that was that was that wasn't that was that wasn't that was that wasn't but here's here's the difference is that the show a does and it's stuck with the demo that it was going after and they're coming back and they're watching and people are enjoying it that watching and that's that's a B is the story we're about to tell and that is that

agatha all along is confirmed as Marvel's least expensive show so if you compare well it did less than then then Ackleite Acolyte not only we did only 11 or whatever it did it kind came out now it wasn't a hundred and eighty million dollars did you guys hear this story about Ackleite it was something crazy like like 300 30-230 your thing in the Marvels the Marvels was 370 both both Everybody involved in that should be arrested. But Agatha All Along is now confirmed as Marvel's least expensive show, to which they say it gives us a little bit more freedom.

A recent trade report claimed that Agatha All Along was Marvel Studios' least expensive series, and this has now been confirmed by Brad Winterbaum. We recently learned that the two-episode season premiere of Agatha All along conjured an impressive 9.3 million views on Disney Plus after one week on the streaming service, while nothing special by any stretch, This was considered a pretty strong start for the show, especially since it doesn't focus on any A-list Marvel characters. I'm going to turn this ad off before it screams in everybody ears.

A follow-up report from the Hollywood Reporter claim that Wanda Vision spinoff is actually the studio's least expensive live-action series to date by some margin, and it has now been confirmed. He said, I can tell you that it's our least expensive show, and I think it was by design. We are looking to make these shows for responsible cost. Finally, I said that. Frankly, it gives us a little bit more freedom creatively

when we can bring them in a reasonable budget. Like Agatha. For example, the show was minimal CG, way less than we've ever done before. It's mostly practical effects, and I think you can feel it in the show. The more budget-conscious approach is part of Marvel's new strategy

to bring these projects in with lower price tags. Buh! And Winterbaum says it will continue with Daredevil. That's great. And our future slate, as we look down the pike at 26 and 27. That's certainly the goal. I think it's about how you use the effects

as opposed to the scale of the effects. And we're responding to our own recent history here of how effective effects really are increasing the value of a story. Okay, so if you can stick with this and you keep giving these answers, those answers, yesterday we talked about budgets, and I was so disappointed. Like, it's like, are you mad at me, Dad? No, I'm just disappointed.

I was disappointed in some of the comments yesterday. Like, why do you care so much about budgets? Why don't care about budgets? I'm like, if you don't care about budgets, So you're not paying attention to how this works and how it affects you. Because this is the same thing. Let's say for people who love this show with Agatha, a number like this. And if they, for people who are like, oh, well, it bombed, it bombed.

You compare it to what the Acolyte did and when Acolyte costs. Acolyte is a disaster. It's a disaster as far as how much money that show cost and what it did overall ratings. Like everybody needed to be watching that show and nobody was watching. This, if you have, okay, so we have this number that we like, it's 9. How much did it cost? Not that much. It's our lowest ever. And we did some fun stuff with it. And you're happy with that, right, Corey? I think overall what we've talked about, I mean, we talked about it with DC, but we've been talking about it with Marvel more lightly. The idea of profits needs to be adjusted to both sides. I think they're only looking at bigger and bigger and bigger and exponential increase. And it's the, it's the, you know, internet problem. Like always have more subscribers, always grow, always streaming, always evolving. if you cut your budgets, it doesn't have to be bigger than the last one.

It just has to make more money than blank. So I think they just need to go back to like arithmetic and stop trying to do calculus. Like just look at the problem and make this number smaller than that one needs to be bigger than that, not bigger than blank. And I think this is a great example of this show not being for me overall mostly. I liked episode four, but mostly the show is like not my jam, but it is the highest retention rate of any show. and so the number might have started out smaller, but the same people are coming back. Right.

Their audience is coming back. That's the whole point. And the audience you made it for is coming back because you made the right thing. And it's an inventive plot that can allow for the budget to be small. You aimed. Sound stage or in a cool space. You aimed, you hit, they return. And then what else happens too is that you aim,

you hit and people around them going, what hit you? Oh, this thing. Can I watch it with you? Sure, watch it with me. Oh, I wouldn't have watched this if you weren't watching it. And it's, look, it's a fun show to watch. I watch it with my wife. I have fun watching it with her.

With Catherine Hahn is phenomenal. I'm not picking up on a lot of these things. I guess there are some names and stuff that were dropped into. I learned as I see it on spoiler boards, I guess afterwards about things how it's kind of linking into the MCU. But I don't need this show to link into the MCU. It's not meant for that. But it's like we've been talking about this stuff

that executives who get paid a lot more than us, guys, are now coming and saying this now. It's supposed to... What if it was cheaper? What if we spent less money? What did I hear? So maybe we spent last money? Yo,

Coy, so one of my, she's technically would be a cousin first removed, but it was essentially like a gram on me, right? This woman was a millionaire because she paid the, she played the penny slots. Many of people that go play high stakes poker

and good for you, and if you're good at it, and it hits amazing. But you know what happens when you go play high stakes poker and you get taken to the cleaners? You got to go explain to your wife, why the house is gone.

Versus when you pay the pet, when you play the penny slots, and you're just having a good time, get a free drink here, there. Sometimes you hit the jackpot, which my cousin did a lot. And so I think we got to remember,

I kept talking about last year, the blackening had a, what, a $5 million budget and brought in 15 mil. That's what you want. You want to have situations where you can have good, fun art that really speaks to the audience

and you still make some money. off of it, which then allows you to take the bigger shots. Yeah. It's also great for versatile, like, art. Like, I was looking at my top 20 of the year list so far. And so many are low budget. Some are huge, like Dune and the Fall Guy and, like, but I really have loved tiny things like Strange Darling and I've loved smaller, like $70 million budget for Transformers.

That movie should have done gangbusters. Yeah, it should have. But the marketing was rough. But I love that we have a versatility of style of content. Not everything should have an Avengers budget. and it doesn't need to have an Avengers budget. Like I really want, if we're going to make stuff feel like a comic rack, some comics are indies.

We need to make small films too. There's no reason the crow should have cost $100 million. Is that how much it costs? Apparently they were bragging, and this is anecdotal, but they were bragging like, you know, we're not a Marvel film. Ours only cost $100 million. And I was like, the crow should be like, that should be David Fincher with a red and someone looking awesome

and having a good story to make the visuals, not needing to pump it full of fluff. Yeah, it's true. I don't know, man. It's like, it's, it's just, we've been talking about it on the show, Winston, we're right back. But we've been talking about on this show forever, man, that it was like. Well, especially man thing. Like, you and I both have a love for smaller budget films that then can profit so they can make bolder swings later. But if everything's the bold swing, nothing feels impactful. It also desensitizes. But he said it, is that it gives us more to do. Look, I think, and you're always talking about art, the artist, don't you think your, you're, favorite directors and your favorite actors, wherever they're the best. And your favorite fighters, whoever, they are the best

when they are challenged and there's a struggle to overcome. And it's like if you're working on a, well, hey, we've got to do this big movie. How much do we have $80 million? How the hell are we going to make this movie work with $80 million? We're going to figure it out. You know? Look at air versus like, I mean, air was made so

inventively with its budget. And like, I think that's one of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's best. Yes. Like, you know, since Goodwell Hunting. But then you look at things like, in my opinion, Dr. Strange, which is just like, I guess we'll just do it. We got money. So it looks like they're actually paying attention to this. You hope. And I hope Daredevil, I hope that Daredevil feels like the Netflix show.

I really do. I mean, it's Aaron and Justin, like, who I think they made so much out of Loki. Like, that budget wasn't, I mean, it was high, but it wasn't insane for the visuals we got. So I think the challenge of street level for Daredevil, it would be great. All right. All right. We got one more story. Then we got a ton of questions that I want to get to.

So let's get to this story. This is a rumor. and this is a new MCU rumor about Henry Cavill, Coy. All right. Have you heard this one? I have, and I'm hopeful. Okay, the new MCU rumor tease Henry Cavill's future

and who Marvel Studios has cast as Amadeus Cho. I don't know who that is, but Coy will tell me. A couple of very interesting MCU rumors have surfaced tonight, including claims that Henry Cavill will return after Deadpool Wolverine and the identity of Amosite and the identity of Amadais Cho. Check it out.

Marvel Studios, 2004 offerings are winding down now and we're nearly at the halfway point of Agatha all along through next year looks to be set to be a busy one for the MCU. The Fantastic Four First Steps, Thunderbolts, Daredevil Born Again, and Marvel Zombies are among the movies and TV shows on the way and the next installment of the Avengers franchise, Doom's Day, won't be too far behind in May of 2026. Exciting time and now I have a few rumors to share with you. The first come from My Time to Shine, H, apparently, Henry Cavill, isn't done with the MCU after his cameo as a Wolverine variant, the Calvarene in Deadpool Wolverine,

whether that means he'll be back in that role or another remains to be seen. Scooper has also shared a familiar rumor about Marvel Studios wanting Black Adam star, Dwayne the Rock Johnson, to play Apocalypse, a claim that is still hard to believe, if we're being honest. Our next rumor comes from the slightly more reliable Daniel Rickman. He's just taken to X to reveal that Ghostbusters Afterlife and Ghostbusters Frozen Empire star Logan Kim has been cast as Amadeus Cho in the MCU. He doesn't specify when or where we'll see Kim as Cho, though it's worth noting that his characters confirmed to appear in your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

With that in mind, this might be a voiceover role rather than a live-action one. If it does end up being the latter, maybe Captain America, Brave New World. In the comics, Amadeus Cho was introduced as the seventh smartest person in the world and became a key ally to heroes like the Hulk, Thor, Hercules. After befriending the Hulk, Cho eventually absorbs some of his powers and becomes totally awesome Hulk. earlier this year, Deadpool and Wolverine star Sean Levy addressed perhaps the three-quil's biggest cameo we're revealing how Cavill ended up playing Wolverine variant. You can actually watch that on HappySat Confused when he did that

if we talked about that particular thing. With Cavill, let me get Winston back in here. But Coy, while we're waiting for Winston, what do you think about, well, first of all, what did you hear about who Cavill could play? Is it Wolverine again? Oh, yeah, I hear he's coming back as Wolverine and they're going to let there be kind of like,

oh, we're going on. No, no, no, no, you're good. We're going to let us kind of do like elseworldy stuff where I don't think Cavill is going to be the Wolverine of the MCU, but I think they're going to be making stuff like letting him do a one-off. I don't think he'd want to contract forever, but I'm hearing they're doing a, you know, a Wolverine with Cavill. And I think it'll be right now between the present and secret oars, we can really play. And I really hope they take some crazy swings. Like that's the multiversal stuff I want to see is some weird alternate universe playfulness like the Cavalry.

So I hear that scene really popped. People want it. He wants to do it. It's all a rumor, but I'd love that. Yeah, I mean, him coming back in that role is, it's fun to have him come back and do that again. But I just wish he had a big role. I wish he would do more and have some more stuff after the multiverse stuff. I wish that, you know, whether it's X-Men stuff.

What do you think? Is he too big for Magneto? He's too big for Magneto, right? I mean, Magneto's size-wise, he's jacked. I just think he's like the wrong energy. Okay. Went to anything. Yeah.

I mean, I actually just rewatched Fallout recently, which is so good, dude. But I mean, I think he could do it. I think he could. I agree with you that that's not the energy I would necessarily be going for with him. I think that's why we kept flirting with the idea of him being doing. I want to see him play a villain, though. I just want to see him play a villain. It's like, yeah.

I like, do you want to see him play a villain? You're like, who's a villain? And that's like the fun of this, right? Like, that's what Marvel used to feel like is, oh, plug and play. Like, that's this. And I think that's going to come back leading up to Secret Wars.

I do, I do have confidence in Marvel looking at these things if they don't focus group stuff. I feel like Marvel is on the right path back to our hearts. We just need to like trust the artists they're hiring, not listening to Twitter. Like I, it's really scary because I feel like, I feel like we're at that tipping point where things can either get amazingly better and like,

yeah, we're back. And all the TikTokers can yell, we're back or it's going to be like remember how good we had it like it's a really precarious tip but the rest of these rumors though that were coming out there you know this obviously the henry cavil one everybody here wants to see him do something it would be great to to see him return or do something a little bit more because you could do him you could have him be somebody else that's not necessarily Wolverine because of the multiverse and all that you could give him another role if you wanted um the other stuff

is so tell me a little bit more what was what was the role tooth. Yeah, but what was the role that you, that was, uh, Omadeus Cho? Yeah, who's that? So, Omadeus Cho is a young boy genius who becomes the totally awesome Hulk. So there's the incredible Hulk, the immortal Hulk and all the hulks that like, you know, hate that they're the Hulk, the totally awesome Hulk.

He has the ability to stay intelligent while being in the Hulk form. And it's playful because he's a younger guy and he like leans into that ability to be the Hulk. And he's a genius. So it would be good for young Avengers as they're building an Avengers team. I think the brave new world, I wouldn't have thought of it, but that movie is so Hulk heavy. They might just introduce new Hulk's like that might be a way to bring him in. It could very well be the voice role, but he is the perfect age. He's got the resume.

He's always a scene stealer. I can totally see that kid as I didn't love the new Ghostbusters movies. And I didn't love what he had to do to be that like snarky kid, but I can one plus one is to him as Hulk. Winston, what do you think about all these rumors. Did you hear? I know you coming in at the tail end of it, but I'm not sure if you heard any of it. uh the rock is apocalypse oh yeah was not talk about that what do you think about rock eclipse i mean sure i i honestly i don't love it i don't love it either because i'm just fully got black adam and

the scorpion king in my brain i i would rather you go if you're gonna if you're gonna like go after a wrestler to do that i would i would rather you convince john sina oh really i mean he's more comedic so not just like i get it where you're not but like if you're just going to do that i mean Batista is already used, so you can't use him. Right. Well, I mean, tell that to Downey. Everything's fair game. I know.

I still want Batista for Hugo Strange, especially with all that weight. He just lost. He just such a good. Roman Reins act. He does. He was in the Fast and Furious movie. Was he good? He didn't really have much to do.

So there's not enough tape. That's fair. That's fair. But ironically, I was going to throw out there as far as the seriousness of a villain, I could see Cavill doing it. You'd have to get a lot bigger, in my opinion. Like, Apocalypse isn't always crazy jack, but he does have

a... Cavill? Have it'll have to get bigger? A little bit. He's already big. I get it, but like... Did you see him? Did he always... Did he guys massive? How much bigger you want him to get? I got to relook at that scene. I got to relook at that scene, because I still have man of steel big in my head, in my mind, but

you're right. I forgot. He did get a little bigger than huge, he's huge. But that's what I'm saying. If you're going to, if you're going to really put Cavill, make him saber tooth. Honestly, I think that would actually be like a fun thing, too, the fact that one version of him is a Wolverine and another university is actually a saber tooth. I think that

that could actually be kind of fun. Well, they, well, they, okay, but if you're asking about the Amadeus show, I think it's a great choice, if you're asking about the rock with the apocalypse, I'm okay. A lot of rumors.

A lot of things there, so want to hear what you guys think. Make sure you put your comments in there. Not only can you comment, During the live chat, during in a super chat, you can do it on the replay. You can comment now on Spotify, which is amazing. There's been a lot of comments on Spotify. You can do all that. Put your thoughts in there.

Let us know what you think. Speaking of questions, we've got a ton of them. In order to, because there's so many, and you guys right now are at 43. I'm impressed. I'm impressed with the 43. And I'll tell you, but beforehand, and I, do you guys get it yet? No, mine didn't come in the mail yet. Oh, it's on the way.

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Go do it. Okay. Let's get to these questions, gents, because we got a ton of them. Did you talk already about Dynamic Duo in another show? No, tell me about it. Oh, dude. Go, go. Okay.

So they announced, James Gunn announced. So it's official. Like, it's confirmed by the band running the entirety of the DCU. DC Studios is doing a dynamic duo movie, which is going to be a Robin movie times two Robbins. We're getting Jason Todd and Dick Grayson. We're getting Nightwing and Live Action. In a blend of animation CGI Puppetry. And apparently I've heard rumors of live action.

The puppet company is the single most insane puppetry I've ever seen in my life. Like I can't quite describe it. It looks uncanny valleyish. It's so photo realistic. I made a video about it on my page. Actually, I'll just send you the link to. me yeah yeah dude it is staggeringly beautiful and it's going to be the two of them calling themselves the dynamic duo cheek leaks that's usually Batman and Superman so excited for a Robin oh it's normally

Batman and Robin come on world's finest sorry I was speaking so quickly you're right so real correct real quick you know what I what I think will be and it's up to you guys want to do it at the end but I thought you guys would want to do it now normally at the end of the show you guys plug your stuff but everybody's still checking out right now we're about to do questions you want to do quick plug now you want to do a quick plug later it's up to you I'll do it plug. All right. Corey, what do you got?

So I just did a video talking about that very announcement as well as all the rumors, as well as my non-spoiler review for Joker in my This Week in comics. As soon as we finish this show, I'm posting my spoiler, talking about why I liked the ending of Joker 2. I'm the one person on the planet. Didn't like the movie, liked the ending, made me like the movie more, dropping that video within the hour of this ending. Lots of comic stuff over there, plus reviews for Saturday night, one of my big surprises of the year, and tons of stuff with Penguin and Agatha. So check out my YouTube.

I pass 35K. I'm on my way to 36K. Roca. You beat Roca. Jesus Christ, man. So yeah, I have my Joker out of the theater reaction. My Joker, I'm just doing a spoiler one. So if you want to go watch the movie and come back, you can.

But that should be out this afternoon. I got the stuff coming out. I didn't have time to do a blurred breakdown because I was on set all week. So I'm actually going to be doing one this weekend. So keep an eye about that. that. So you not only have, obviously, a lot of the nerdy news that's been coming out and things like that. But for those that were interested in the whole Disney Plus as a means to not sue Disney scandal, Uber's doing the same thing with Uber eats. I break all that down as well, man.

So come and check all that out. YouTube.com social swaggy blur. Check them out, guys. Check out both Koi and Winston. And you've already shown a lot of support. We're almost at 50 guys. I mean, look, Roka had a hell of a week, but you guys always perform. Like the end of an M&M album, I feel like I have to say, and Roka, you know, love you. I have 100%. Although. Oh, yeah, did you see that video?

Grandpa M. Did you not see the video? She gave him a lion jersey. Oh, dude. Grandpa on the number one. Yeah, yeah. It's at the end. You see, he's given him the jersey and he's got the sonogram.

It's anyway. Okay. So Jacob Pension, Joker 2 might be the worst sequel that I've ever seen. Ouch. Ruins the brilliance of the first. I agree. Character assassination. I agree.

Climax was a silent fart. I agree. Why did. Dent looked 14. I didn't love the casting of Harvey. It's really weird. I didn't love the casting of Harvey. I didn't think he was a bad actor. I just didn't think he fit the role. It literally looked like you had Duky Hauser. Yes. Instead of MD, Duggyhausen S-Fly. I agree. Great point. Great point. You looked like he was in his dad's suit too. Yeah. Yeah, it was so weird. He had a trench coat. Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't good. It was yeah, it wasn't good. It was like in

yeah, it was bad. Derek Johnson, Derek, the Great. As a pure character study and dysfunction and how society can break some of us, these movies are pure gold. As a Joker movie, the shit can kick rocks. Yeah. True. And he follows it up. That's what I want to talk about. Like, I'm really excited for my name. Spoilers. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're on, we're on Friday. Okay. We'll talk spoilers. I won't put, this is Derek says, I won't put spoilers, but the Fox Gotham show

did the same Joker premise over a year ago. Okay. I didn't, I didn't. That's true. Okay. Christian, I know that I'm on DC's ass a lot in these comments, but I truly want some consistent product. So I agree with you, Derek. I think that we should have some consistent thing. I just think he's just skeptical and rightfully so.

DC's been in kind of the ups and downs over the last. He's a hardcore DC fan, and he, he's just been a little tough on Gunn. I said, well, Gunn hasn't really had any time to shine yet. And hasn't done anything. Yeah. That's the only thing I will say. I understand where you're frustrated.

Gun literally has done nothing. Right. We've talked about this multiple times that Creature Commando and formerly Superman legacy, just Superman, are the start of his universe. The rest of this is clearing house of things that were already in the works. And that was good enough. We should let it go. That's already done. We should let that go. So you got to give him a break. You know, we didn't talk about it. We'll do a quick one because we only have, you know, so much time to go through all the questions. But how good is that penguin show? Holy moly. Oh my God. Second episode is great. In my opinion, Gun doesn't get any, doesn't get any shine for that either.

That was already something. Right. But he, but he. He took a little bit and said, you know, hey, we gave notes on this and we did that. So, yeah, of course he did. But, you know, it's a, but either way, I love that show. It's my favorite show of the year. It's great. It's, I cannot believe a show about Penguin is able to adapt authentically while being

this inventive and good as a crime show. It's really, really good. Derek says all these projects being announced at D.C. just so happened to coincide with bad Joker reviews. I'll say it again. It doesn't feel like cohesive plan. It feels like same old D.C. scrambling to. make the short-term money bets. No, you got to remember, Derek. This was already, this was

already announced. This movie was before they came on board. You got to let his plan, his plan hasn't gone into play yet. His plan goes into play with Superman or or creature commandos. That's the thing that I think is, is like almost a little, a little frustrating. It feels like when you have a team, I know I love to do my sports metaphor is it. It's a team where it's like, we just fired the whole coaching staff. We fired the GM, all that kind of stuff. we brought in new people, but you got to deal with like the last little bit of players or contract or whatever that's there. I can't believe you paid that person that much money. I didn't.

The person before me did. We just have to let the contract play out. Right, right. That's what this feels like. Just let the contracts play out. And then our new, like, trust the process. Yeah, see what happens after the first, after Superman. After that's where everyone's going to be able to say, because you might, there's a possibility, which I hope is not the case.

Coy mentioned Transformers, the animated film. Great movie. Nobody saw it. And you would go, oh, well, nobody cares about Transformers anymore. What a bust. What if Superman is amazing. It costs $200 plus million, and then it just disappoints. That's going to be an issue I don't want to deal with because it's like, oh, but that's a good movie and no one's seeing it. All right.

Next one, this is Derek. Derek's got a few here. And Derek says we have had over 40. MCU project spanning a decade, and you can honestly say three or four movies and TV have been what you call bad. DC has given us 16 movies and maybe two fall in the good category, and two of the 16 are remakes. And he follows it up with MCU may have had some road bumps, but my fandom for them has been earned. WBC and DC has to earn that fandom and trust. I've said it before, I'll go Superman a clean slate, but they have to earn it. He said, I'm done ranting, but also if

you're going to have Gaga in your movie. Don't ask her to tone it down. They should have asked her to blow the walls off and let the character be in awe of her for a little bit. Yeah. When you consider what Gaga made her career off of is not only her pipes, because she is a very talented singer,

go look at poker face, go look at Born This Way, go look at telephone. She is a performer. And I do hate the fact that we didn't get to see complete full, not so Harley Quinn. I won't say anything more about that, but

I feel like you could have let her just go. Yeah, definitely. She should have saying a lot more. So Mike Joyce, who has put stuff in here, it says, I'm highlighting this one, he says, you missed my pre-show $5 super chat yesterday. And I looked for it before I started. I couldn't find it. Mike, just put it in

the chat right now, and I don't know what you mean you can't send in five, you can't send in $5 superchats? Why not? What is happening? I don't know what's happening. Mike, just send in your question, man. I'll highlight it because if I it's my key I'm sure I'm sure he did and then

Derek Johnson in memory of James almost dying I rewatched Beastmaster where could go? Quo just left great uh oh there is and a sequence in the movie reminds me of the Craven trailer where he see I don't know you you went you you you he's going in now

what's happening what a day today is I know it's one of those days so I'll do this um it reminds me of a Craven trailer where he sees through the eyes of an eagle Chavon's going to be a new age Beastmaster, isn't he? And then he also said, I started out with a good rant that I needed to get off my chest. Everybody else's turn. Now push your numbers up.

Thank you, Derek. So as far as Beastmaster, is he going to be like a Beastmaster? Do you guys think? I mean, I'll lean to coy. To my knowledge, I don't really know of him doing that. He does have enhanced senses and whatnot from fairy, like, depending on which version of you're telling. But I've never really seen him be like, I'm looking through an Eagles. Coy, am I wrong about this?

Oh, you're muted. No, try to jump, jump in and come back. Jump in and come back. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how that works. Someone also said yesterday, I was talking to some of the, was Craven bitten by a radioactive lion?

Is that true? Okay, someone said that. Maybe that's the story they're going with. If I remember correctly, that was just like, I think that was like one of his first kills that he, like, wears as, like as a coat, but the coy would know better.

There are specific Craven stories that I'm familiar with, but I don't follow the character to a T the way Koi just knows everything, Spider-Man. Okay, so I'm not, I'm not, well, he's back, so we'll get him, will you have a, boy, so as we get you back on here, the question about Craven the Hunter, someone told me yesterday that it was a, he was bitten by a radioactive lion. That's not true, right? I think they had, they had something akin to that in that first trailer, and that is not the canon. I think they nixed it.

I know they did a lot of reshoots. If they do radioactive lion, I don't care how good the rest the movie is. I think we're going to have problem. I think that's one of the things that changed. My dad was studying lion to the safari. And then a radioactive lion got at me. I hope that's the first thing they

changed in reshoots because that is so not the way. But no, Beastmaster wise, he has augmented abilities, but he can't be like, ah, eagle, and then see through his eyes. Right, right. Okay. I knew it wasn't crazy. I was like, nah, nah, like he does, he is enhanced, but it ain't like that,

though. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Some reason I, if someone said that I missed a couple pre- yesterday, and it usually doesn't happen. Chris Hunt, it's wild that Tommy was, though, the room was made for just 15% less than Invisible Man, 2020, which went on to make 97%

more the box office. Wild, yeah, it's true. It is pretty nice. Yeah, it's nuts. I didn't realize that Lee Wunel, the director of the Invisible Man and upcoming Wolfman, was the last guy in saw. Oh, really? Like he's an actor in Saul when I looked at. Never seen.

There's a 20th anniversary release and it said his name and I was like, he didn't direct Saw and I realized he was an actor in it now directing Hart. Never seen Saw. Oh, it's so good. Roman Fedorak. No, I don't care about them. Roman Fedorak. Hey, hey guys, hope the day is trading you well so far. Bumbed about Joker. We'll probably wait for

that one and go see Wild Robot instead. Love animation. Yeah, it's, it's a wild robot is great. It's great. Yeah, it's So powerful. I know we can't talk about it too much because it would be a little spoilery, but I think that what Todd Phillips was trying to convey was that cold open. You know what I mean?

I think that was kind of alluding to what was coming, was that cold open, honestly. I guess. We'll see. I have to go back and watch it again, but I don't want to. Wild robot's great, though. The Wild Robot is really wild robot is probably going to win the best animated for Oscar, I think. It should. I mean, it's my top 10 of the year.

movie wrecked me. I liked Transformers better, but that's because of my, that's how much I love Transformers and we've been waiting for a good Transformers movie for such a long time and finally got one like that. But Wild Robot is a fantastic movie.

It really is good. And then Roman says, what are some movies that have made you cry? For me, it's Warrior and a movie from years ago called Nine Days. I recommend both. I mean, Warriors is fantastic, and I'll probably wind up watching that with Sam. I don't know which is nine days. You guys know that one?

No, not sure. No, that's good. Pick by Roman, who follows it up. Also, have any movies inspired you to pursue anything? The first creed, one of my all-time favorites, got me into boxing. That's pretty cool. And then martial arts. Dead Poets Society got me into writing poetry.

Wolf of Wall Street got me into my bad Coke problem. No. Boogie nights? No? Oh, Jesus. Oh, my God. I mean, I consider Requiem for a dream like a biopic, so I definitely follow all those characters' goals to a...

Perfect. Yeah. Movies that make me cry. Black Panther. Hercules, the Disney animated, and Mulan, the Disney animated. Both wreck me. What about anything inspire you to do anything in movies?

TV, more so. I mean, watching Ninja turtles and Power Rangers back of the day got me into martial arts and then as far as comedy like a Chappelle show got me into that well I mean I have the easy answer you can't even see it right right I'll move it over but where is it's it's this movie is probably the reason I'm broadcasting today and that's pump up the volume that that movie alone was the whole reason I wanted to do radio and do all that stuff too so that's that's probably a good one

I've actually never seen that. You've never seen Hum of the Volume? You would love Palm of the Volume. It's such, oh, it's such a movie for you. Oh, my God, everything about that movie is about for you. I can't believe, like, from, do you know what it's about? No, I literally have, I'll give you the quick, I'll give you the quick pitch. Kid moves into Arizona, whereas there's a school that some shit's going down to the school

with the hierarchy of the, you know, the principal and everyone else, it's basically the, the low, the students who are poor or whatever, too, they're getting weeded out because they want their SAT scores and everything to get higher out. So what he does, he's moved there with his family. He has, this is back in like 93. So he's got a radio

thing to where he's illegally broadcasting and he is talking to the high school becomes like a god to the high school and he starts kind of like this kind of revolution. And it's but he's a really shy dude, but not when he's on the air.

When he's on the air, he's like, he's happy Harry Hardon. Oh, I love that. You'd love it. I'm having that to the list. And Pixies, Pixies have a great song in there, too. Oh, I love the Pixies. Yeah, I know. Okay, movies made me cry, and then movies inspired.

Movies made me cry. This movie, Like Crazy, Anton Yelchen film that I adore. Blue Valentine wrecked me pretty good. Ryan Gossinger Williams movie. The Eminem music video that he just put out yesterday. Oh, dude, Fruitville Station. I how did I forget that oh yeah the proof that was one of those movies that like when I couldn't like I didn't even know that I was crying I couldn't control it like it's it's just like I just felt it coming

down my face I was like oh my god I was so viscerally louder in a theater and it thank God it was the limited run at first and I was just there with my mom and I was just like it's a it's a tough one and I'd say wild robot made me cry more than I expected to cry um and then movies that inspired me um Mallrats was huge. Mulrats kind of informed that this was possibly something other people talked about because I didn't have comic friends. So I was like, they can say those words in a movie. And obviously, that's why Kevin Smith became my hero and then Hall H and everything that came from that. And then whenever I get out of shape, I watch the Rockies, Creed's, and Warrior to get me back into the mindset of working out.

So those inspire me like consistently. Okay. Thank you for that question. And here is Derek the Great. Random Facts that male sharks have two genitals. Oh, that's a good party. Good for them. Good party.

Derek Johnson, what was for lunch? I didn't have anything yet. This is what happens because of a live show, I've been skipping lunch, which is not fun. And you guys aren't even at lunchtime yet. Alexander J. Tattersall, how long before a live show do you have your thumbnails sorted out? Do you use Adobe or have someone do that for you quickly before a show? So I use a different A different

I don't use Adobe but I use a different program But I was basically what I do Well what I used to do is if I do it the day before If I set it up at night I'll make it at night And then just have it ready to go But I'll tell you Luke from Galaxy Guse Has been helped me out He'll send me like this morning

And it's been so helpful It's been because I told you my schedule Like I have my time Has been so living lately Like I really relate to Greg I really relate to Greg a lot. And he's, you know, right now, and he's lucky enough he's got, he's built himself up. He's got a lot more help, you know.

It's tough, man. So Luke's been help mail. He sends me, like, this morning. He sent me the thumbnail we have on there today. And he's like this topic. And I was like, perfect. And it's just been, it's been a lifesaver. Luke and PLD have been lifesavers, like absolute lifesavers.

So that's how I usually do it. And then we did that already saying, thank you, Derek. And Tom Hanks. Thank God. Who's had Tom back in here. Have you started reading imminent? Thoughts if so? I did start reading it.

And there's a lot of stuff in there that we had heard before, but I also get a lot of, I got a lot of the stuff out on the Rogan interview, too, from what I heard. So there's a lot in there. It's pretty interesting. So we'll see what happens. What I would tell you is, if you looked at Simon Hollins' interview on Vetted yesterday, said that alien disclosure is happening within six months to a year. we'll see um i don't yeah we'll see in the same way that you know there's supposed to be movies about marvel i was supposed to come out this year too uh derrick johnson logan kimp the kid from the new ghostbusters movie has been cast as on a day's show what are your thoughts yeah

we discussed that a little earlier today but it looks like you guys are on board for that right the casting okay yeah i spoke wednesday you agree yeah yeah no no i agree yeah uh mirror domains why is there zero buzz for venom three i have high hopes It's a weird thing that movie because I don't even feel like the second movie had a lot of buzz and did okay But I think as you get closer to it and because you got joker out right now They probably don't want to Battle with marketing so you're gonna see the marketing now with Joker being this bad you might go start gonna wait a goal Go probably a good idea. It's true

What do you think? I think it's a movie that has a big last minute push and we're starting to see stuff they had a really cheeky like UFC thing where like Dana white got like Eddie Brock walked into Dana White's office, then he chokes out Sean Sugarboy, like in the hallway. Oh, okay. Like they're starting to do those like integrated things and then we'll get that big surge. But seeing Tom Hardy like, you know, argue with Dana White was insane for library. I want to see that. Yeah, I want to see that.

Oh, it's dope. But so we're seeing those start and then I think there'll be a big surge. I'm actually going to the premiere to that in New York right after near Comic Con. And I just found out. I'm so excited. Yeah, let me know. We got to meet up. Yeah.

I'll be there two weeks. Okay. Yeah, when you're, if you're able to come into, you should come into studio, man. Yeah, if, if the schedule works that I can come before Comic-Con, I'm so- I'll be, I'll be there. I'm taking my daughter to New York Comic-Con, so I'll come, I'll come check you out. Oh, amazing. Worst case we do a commercial.

Yeah. Christian Maddoored. Staten Island is a garbage dump that had me laughing from the reaction video because Staten Island sucks. What, Sam, Sam made a joke when we were, like, someone said, oh, you know, in Deadpool, they're like, you know, they throw everybody where, where you don't want to be, you know, all the people. And she goes Staten Island. And I was like,

it was pretty funny. Nick Vaughn, with the DCU Batman's situation, I think an interesting way to introduce him is by building out the Bat family first with solo films with Nightwing, Red Hood movie, background movie. What do you guys think about that?

Because you're going to have the Batman already happening. So I guess his point is build out around it first. Well, where is he? And then when you finally introduce him, you've already had, it would be an interesting way to do it.

But, Risky. It is risky. I'm, I'm, uh, yeah, you can, you can do it. I don't, I don't think it's a terrible plan. It's not exactly the way I would go, but, but yeah, you could do it. I mean, we already have the dynamic duo movie coming, uh, which makes me think they are going to start like getting, they need Robin back in the conversation. So I think it's smart to do that. And I think the Batman too will likely have a darker Robin, but then we'll have full on like Damien Wayne like the you think the bad, you think the Batman too is going to

have Robin for sure. I think at the end. I think Robert Pattinson talked a while ago about how much he wants the Robin dynamic. And I think they're planning a trilogy. I think at the very end of Batman, too, it might make sense to bring one in. Okay.

This is from before everything got situated, but Derek wrote, Coy's video looks like he's on a VCR from the 90s. Winston sounds like he's on a Dell computer from 2000, and Christian is in present day on an updated Mac. It's before you fixed your thing. It's better now. We're both better now.

We're both better now. Yeah, I've got to get a new computer. Jesus. Crashing coyote. I love Joker 2. The message to me was what happens when you fall for the wrong person, even though everyone tells you she's crazy. At the end, at first, I didn't like it, but I think it's brilliant, actually.

Yeah, like I said, I want to get into some spoilers down when we actually talk about it, but I'm glad you liked it, but I disagree with the statement. Ironically, if you're going to go that route, I would say it's less about who you fall in love with. It feels more like, I don't know if it's. anybody in this crowd at all listens to Chaparone. I don't, but I have been paying attention to the news

and this idea of she went from somebody that was making her art and she wanted to make it that all of a sudden she became famous and dealing with the superstar level of fame is a lot to deal with. And that was more the takeaway I got from this

film, but I still didn't think it was a good movie. Yeah, I tend to agree with you. Okay. So now we go to the next one and that is from the librarian of Alexandria. Hello, Alexandria. What a cool name that is. Thoughts on the red one posters. I think it looks great. Look forward to it. Which one is the red one? Is that? That's not the rocket. Oh, okay. Okay. What's that? What's that Winston? I'm excited

about that one. I think it can. I'm hoping. You know what I hope with that one? I think that you can look at it. Here's another just kind of throw away rock movie where they're just kind of premise and doing the rock thing and just met Netflix throwing some money at a Christmas movie and then you can look at it like yeah well what if this one turns out to be pretty charming remember that Kurt Russell one that they did that Netflix Kurt Russell movie that they that's so good nobody expected that movie be good and it was like just like a charming little movie that's what I'm hoping for this one because I like everybody involved I love jk. Simmons I like Chris Evans a lot I love the rock so it's just like I'm hoping I'm hoping that the comps for this when it ultimately comes out are like jingle all the way meets the Santa Claus meets like, you know, throw in any sort of like generic sort of action movies.

So like the hitman's bodyguard or, you know, red, something like that. If you give me that kind of jumbling, that sounds like a fun Christmas movie. I hope. I'm hoping. I'm hoping. Shane Arkell, Joker 2 is a one out of five for me, beautifully shot. wonderfully performed. Hats off to the score. I agree with all of that. During the, I give it, I give it higher than one out of five, but I agree with everything that he said there. Hats off to the

score during intense moments, but I was bored out of my mind and cringed at times. I felt almost nothing from the film. I understand the review 100%. I think I went like 2.6 or something, 2.7. Straight 2. Straight 2. Yeah. I was, I was 2 till the end. It's, it's really interesting how much That movie didn't work for me for most of the time. It could probably drop. It might be one of those movies where it drops, but I don't know. Who knows? Maybe we'd go back and watch it again and it gets better.

I don't know. Why so Sidious? I like that. I got a good name that is. Why so Sidious? A nerd podcast. I like that. Coy Winston, who would you want to be the big bad in the DCU?

Not necessarily who you think it's going to be. We got asked us last week, didn't we? That's how we did. Maybe. Maybe, but we could go again. I don't necessarily want to jump straight into dark side. If you're going to, if you're going to go a big bad, I could definitely be in, like, I think it's too soon for Necron, but that could be interesting. If maybe that's what the ultimate like unraveling of lanterns is as we find out that you're going to start doing in darkest night, that could be interesting. Brainiacs always a fun one because he really is a universal threat. What do you think, Coy?

Braniac's always top of my list because of how close we've been so many times to Brady Act. Like I love that character. I think it'd be really cool to have Lex Luther as a big bad because he's human. I think it'd be really interesting that Superman, kind of that Batman Joker conflict, it's like, we could solve all of this. And it's just Superman's too good to not want to believe that Lex gets better. So I could see Lex being kind of a album team figure. Or a Vandal. I could do a Vandal Savage.

Yeah. Interesting. Well, there you go. Carlton Rudder. London calling. Thank you, Carlton. Christian, happy belated birthday. Thank you. It's just me and the dog. It's just me and the dog. So enjoying the live show for once. My best regards to Winston and Coy. Thank you, man. He's a very, very solid, solid listener of the show. He's been on Patreon. We've been doing a thing on, we started this thing guys called The Bar on Patreon, where I used to do the one-on-one sessions, but now we do a bunch of people get together and they just hang out for like an hour.

and we just bullshit for like a full hour and like the community gets to meet each other. Carlton came in there. It's pretty great. He did the Q&A with us too. Shane Arkell, the story had no progress for me. I will say though I'm not mad. I do love that chances were taken and I encourage movies

I encourage more wild swings. But this was a miss for me. Also I think Gaga did well. I don't think there's anybody in the cast. Even Harvey Dent who was miscast, I don't think anybody was bad. I think other performances, the directing all of it. It just was a, it just the movie just didn't work for me.

I think that was what it was. Yeah. Absolutely. It truly felt like, other sports analogy, you're out here doing everything that you need to do. You're putting up points. You're making big stops.

But like when it mattered, you blew it. And that's kind of what that felt like is, statistically, everybody brought their A game. But it just didn't come together for a win. Even with my three, I completely agree with that.

Like, I, I am enjoying about this film is everyone's review. I go, yeah. Good point. Right. Right. It's not one of those things where you're like, everyone, you're like, what movie do you see? It's like, no, I get what you're saying. Totally. I'm like, I'm with you. Yeah. Okay. Joey Pedrus. I enjoy Joker too a lot.

I like seeing how this Joker rises to fame and it's on a threshold of becoming the Joker. I love that they took a swing here. Hey, you know, I, exactly. You always go, when someone comes out enjoying something, you're like, I'd rather you enjoy, wait than be disappointed. Yeah, better two and a half hours than I did. I'm always like, yeah, it was long, too. It's too long. It's also from the standpoint of if he had come in and be like,

y'all are all wrong, you're stupid. This is the greatest movie of all time that I'd be like, uh, all right, it's my ass. But the fact that he's like, I get it. I loved it. Well, that's what we always talk about in the show, right? It's like it's the whole point of the subjective conversation as opposed to, you know, just screaming at people.

Guys, you guys are, look, this is, well, this is what I said to Roxie and it's a whole other conversation and I won't get into it. But you guys are currently at 69. Oh, no, not true. Actually, you just beat that. You're at 70. So you're at 70 right now. You're only what? Well,

that's 63 away from Roca, but still. It's pretty good. Still pretty good. All right, let's see. We beat our last week's record. You did. 133. Yeah, he had 133. So what was it? 63. Yeah. So, and now the sad movie guy. A while

back, I shared my fan cast of Joel Edgerton as Hal Jordan was a great call for the DCU. Today I have two more for you guys. What about Billy Magnuson as Barry Allen? It's a good one. He's just a little older, I think, but it depends on where they're going age-wise with him. Oh, what's the top of the franchise, bro.

Oh, yeah, wait, let me tell you about that. And Harris Dickinson for Wally West. So, first, let's start with Barry Allen. Well, not Barry Allen, sorry, Harry Dixon for Wally West. Do you guys like that cast? I don't know. I don't know who that is. I'm not as familiar with it, so they look that up. But as far as Billy Magnuson goes, I want to see him in something. I don't know if Barry

Allen is depending on what they do for age-wise. But what I will say this is mentioned Buster Gold. Yeah, I know. You know, so my interview with him is going up, coin. I asked them about Buster Gold. I asked them about it and it'll go up soon. I couldn't sleep last night because I didn't know, I don't know where to put that interview

yet. Because I'm like, I was going to run it on today's show, but the show would have been three hours long if I ran it on this show today. It's an hour interview. So I'm probably going to run it on next Wednesday or Thursday. But the franchise, it's out now, right? The sixth. comes at the six perfect so i'll be able to so i'll run it next week so it's a little time good so it's

it's it's great right it's so i'm doing my my uh you know out of the theater instant reaction i'm gonna wait until saturday just so it's like the day before guys but you're gonna have a real especially people that watch this show you're gonna have a really really good time with the franchise it's so it's so good i told people about it i'm that's why i'm waiting to put it on me is if i put it on now people are what is that show? I feel like people, but this audience is going to eat that show up. Quor, you're going to love this show. I can't wait. I'm so

love this show. Okay, so let's see. Oh, but he was in Ironclaw as David Lowe. He was also in the Kingsman as Conrad Oxford. Oh, I know he's talking about. I didn't know his name. He's a really good actor. Okay. Let's see. Now we've got to do Al Rensha. Brad, saying

budget conscious approach for Daredevil will extend to 2026, 27 makes me excited. Maybe Marvel is learning from recent budget disasters. It seems like someone told them cut it out, and they're actually paying attention to it. Now, it seems that. So, I mean, yeah, I'm hoping it,

Deer Devil's going to be very, very important. March of 2025 is when I come back. Yeah, like next year is insane. We have so much next year. It's the year of Fantastic Four Superman Daredevil's return. Like next year is stack. Cooley High. I love Cooley.

Hey, Pam. weekly my uh my 14 year old daughter and my wife have a 90s movie night weekly's first time watches my let's say my day watched honey i shrunk the kids and she loved it what are some 90s movies you would suggest be easy oh man some night it's always hard to come up on the spot on those um but some 90 i mean if you're watching with families i mean Jurassic park you've never seen it obviously the first two ninja turtles movies you can skip turtles time um let's see you could well family i don't know if you can So depending on how old your child is, you know I've got to throw Rush Hour in there.

But if the kid isn't quite ready for a little bit of swearing and light racism, maybe you wait. Try to think what else. Oh, the fifth element of that movie. Moulon. If they haven't already seen that. It's a good one too, yeah. Shanghai Noon, Shanghai Knights in the same vein of Rush Hour. I love Rat Race without a paddle.

Like, there was some great, like, family-ish comedy. Scooby Noon. is to this day one of the best. Like, I love it. That's a good one too. Yeah, I have to, I have to look into the night because my wife would be like, you should have said this, this, this and this. Eddie Murphy. Julia Roberts movies.

All to you. Buddy, professor, man. Oh, my God. Flubber, dude. I love flubber. The librarian of Alexandria putting a very kind super chat and says, also happy cinnamon day. Going to have some later. Enjoy it.

I didn't know. It's today's today's cinnamon day. No, it was cinnamon day. Yesterday was National Boyfriend Day. Oh, okay. Did you get a gift? No, she went to a concert. No, whatever.

Has the only boyfriend here, because I'm a fiancé and his husband. That's a fiancé with an extra step. I mean, that's a boyfriend with an extra step. Coy, he's the only one that's free. Yeah, that's true. That's true. There's no legal issues if anything goes right. That's right.

John Carlo Jelma Jr. Don't want to potentially spoil Agatha, but did anyone catch the name drop of the latest episode. Did you, Koi? It's a name drop. Guess not. I can't think of a name dropping the episode. I would say no.

I'd say they didn't pick it up. I doubt. I certainly didn't. I wonder what it is. But Derek Johnson, love the content and all the shows that you do, Christian, with the team you've got coming on. It's really good content and why we keep coming back and donating. It's very kind of you, Derek. I really appreciate it.

And I will say, I want to say this to everybody before we get the next question. We did this experiment of the live shows every day. You guys have been coming in here every day showing up. We've been doing it. The live show numbers have been going up. The interaction with you guys. have been going up. It's been so humbling and

nice, and I'm so glad you guys are enjoying the show. So I just wanted to thank everybody who's watching right now. Okay, so Jacob Fleck, random, but did you guys see Gary Busey's birthday message to Jimmy Carter? The man literally sang a song about ham. That's the best. I'll believe

a ham is birthday ham. If you want to get spammed, don't have ham. Oh, everybody likes to eat, and everybody likes likes to sleep thanks Gary now I've seen it that's it Jacob Tizano Christian have you ever seen haunting of Hillhouse either way it would make a great reaction series asking for invincible again people really want me to watch invincible I want to what the show

yeah the show yeah he still hasn't seen it that actually a good reaction I've seen like the first like three episodes I thought maybe for half a second he was talking about Mark Wahlberg like the eagle yeah football Phillies you mean that yeah I don't know how you haven't seen Invincible and you're on the show with this, man. Yeah, whatever. All right. So Jacob, Jacob Fleck, what's a movie you love

in a genre that you don't like? I would say conjuring. I love Conjuring. I'm not a big horror guy, but I love the conjuring. I'm not a big rom-com fan, but when Harry Mitz-Tellie is my top 10 favorite films of all the time, yeah, I'd say Conjuring is a great movie. Get out.

I'm not big on horror, but Captain the Wood. Sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, I think we're all not the biggest Harder fans, but like Cabin in the Woods, screen, uh, they're, they're like the meta stuff in horror. I really dig. And Black phone is a straight up hard. I love the black phone. Black phone's good. Black phone's real good.

Um, okay. Randall, Randall W. Joker 2 is going to suffer with the money. My 19 year old son is the rare kid these days. He sees most movies and he's not going to Joker 2 over what he's heard. Side note, where are the feel good movies for the teens today? Great call. I mean, they just, you know, it's a good one, by the way.

90s movies is mean girls. they just re-released being gross oh no no it's not it's not it's not it's 2004 it's 2004 it's 2004 oh as far as a 90 oh yeah but um but feel good movies there aren't there aren't a lot of field good movies for teens right now yeah i just uh i just saw monster summer with uh oh some thames from the black phone and uh it's super like 80s 90s goonies like i dug it uh it's and it's like that kind of spooky where it's just on the edge of being like when you're a kid you're like oh that scared the crap and it's like wholesome I dug it.

My daughter wants, my daughter wants to see. Lethal Weapon 7 in it. It's great. Okay. Yeah, my daughter wants to see that one. She saw the poster for it and said it looks pretty good. David Henry directed it. I had no idea.

David Henry and Greg grew up together. They're like best friends. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was bummed that it didn't do crazy well, but Babes was definitely a feel good. That was very funny, just kind of, what, two women that have been best friends forever, and one of them ends up getting pregnant as a.

single mom and so them trying to figure that out what it is is did you either want to you guys see the uh the the Aubrey plaza the mild ass movie oh not yet I want to I saw your roxy clip the best clip so good um fitness with Julian happy birthday question thank you with the early success of penguin do you guys predict that WBDC will green light a season two or another villain series they'll definitely green light season two they'll do everything they can to get Colin Farrell back and they'll yeah they absolutely will and I think like that that GCP or Arkham show will come back. I think we get more shows too.

Yeah, I think you think we're going to get more shows? I think what Matt Reeves said was he wanted to build a whole universe out and he has ideas for a bunch and he incorporated some of GCPD into Penguin and he incorporated some of Arkham into the Batman too. But if this does as well as it is and between these shows, he has ideas for a whole universe. He's calling it the Batman epic crime saga. He's got like, so I think more shows.

If it's up to Zazlov, then. then yes. If it's up to Gunn and Safran, I don't think it is. I think it's going to be... Gun is producing the dynamic duo show with Matt Reeves. I think they're pretty cool. That's why I don't think... I don't know.

It's confusing. That's somebody that... So, you know, I'm working with a talent booking company, you know, that helps me get guests and stuff. And one of the lists that would be interested in these people. Like, James Gunn's name was on there. And it doesn't mean you're going to get them. It just means are you interested in them?

It's like I put wish list exclamation point exclamation point. I would love to talk to that guy for like an hour, you know, just to be able to the amount of stuff that I would ask him would be incredible. Unheard sirens incorporated. Christian, you're absolutely right about the budget stuff, whether you want to accept it or not. If you want to know why projects succeed or not, it's all about the money, Lavowski. It's all about the money. 100%. 100%.

And that's it. That's what I try to tell people. So I don't I don't get it. I don't get it. My people don't understand. I guess it's because people keep forgetting. DuCoy says it a lot. It's show business.

Yeah. Well, someone said, yeah, someone said yesterday, they were like, you know, why do you care about the budgets? You're not your money. I'm like, because it affects what you're watching. Exactly. If it costs too much money and it doesn't make the people that that were the investors. Right, exactly.

in that project money or it doesn't give them something for the future, why would I pour more millions of dollars to just lose behind what's going on? Like the reason why the Sonic films have continued to be made is because they are making enough money at the box office and people are enjoying them at the same time that it's worth the venture. Like I didn't understand what they kept making the Fast and Furious movies. It's because they make a lot of money. People clearly enjoy them. So if you're not worried about the budget, then I don't. don't think you actually care what's coming out. You're just kind of like, throw me whatever.

Real quick, I saw this in the chat. Nova is Marvel, right? Yeah, the Jolo rumor. Yeah, the Sholo rumor. Yeah, so Sholo Medellania's rumor to do it. He's in do both. So that's probably what, a James Gunn saying, I don't care, you can do both?

Or does that mean Blue Beetle is not going to be used as much? He's on such a weird spot. Blue Beetle was like the end of that universe, but he said he was coming in, but then the movie, like, I don't know, but I mean, he'd be a good Nova. Interesting. I think it would be a good Nova. Smartitect, man.

who says Joker 2 may deter people from mental crimes in my honest opinion you know look people are in this argument for anything when it comes to Grand Theft Auto whatever it might be the people who are going to be inspired by stuff

to go do crazy shit are people that shouldn't be doing this stuff in the first place watching this stuff in the first place I won't lie Christian the entire time I was at Folly Adieu there was two dudes that were sitting right next to me and they clearly brought in like some beers with them because they kept cracking cans open. But this one guy kept laughing at parts that didn't make sense.

And I was like, oh, I hope this guy ate actually crazy. Right. I was like, I was like, this is making me a little nervous. The way he'd just be like, Joker would be like, oh, oh, I want some mashed potatoes. Dude, I was at the premiere and I'm always worried in large crowds of impending violence. And about like 15 or so people scattered throughout the crowd were makeup. and suits and I was like, this might be it for me. Maybe this is how I go.

Yeah, it was scary. I get, I understand like the, the, the scariness because of the world we live in, for sure. Jacob Tizano, also let me cook. DC is the, you guys don't understand this, but why that was started there. I, just to preface real quick, in this week, we talked about certain slang and things that I'm really starting to hate because what people do is they just grab them and if everybody's pop, if it's popular, everybody starts.

to say it. That's wild. That's wild is driving me nuts. Let me let them cook. Let them cook. Christian, you're describing a sketch that I have written out and I've never filmed. Making fun of Reaganomics called trickle-down Negro-nomics. I will have to send you the script one day. I just can't stand all the slang. It drives me nuts. D.C. is the goat and it's crazy. You don't think that patents and Batman. can work in DCU. It's not L.L. or Marvel, where everything in New York, I don't really understand that comment. Do you guys? Read it again? D.C. is the goat, and it's crazy, you don't think Patenton's Batman can work into DCU. Because there's that rumor about Zazlov who potentially he wanted Pattinson to be the DCU Batman. And I think what Rieves

has been setting up in this more like Nolan realistic Batman, it doesn't work. Do you disagree I think it'd be a waste of both universes. I think the beauty of what James Gunn is building is you can do fantastical and huge and the beauty of what Matt Reeves is built is it doesn't need to be fantastical and huge. So you'd sacrifice an incredible Batman that is grounded and viable. Why not have two batmans if you can because you've established it. So it'd be it'd be a loss to both. I have a question about Joker for two for both you guys. This is not really a spoiler, but did you pick up that sometimes they called it Gotham and sometimes they called it. it New York? No, you're talking about when in the court. No, in the cab. He was, they were talking about New York. They were talking about Gotham. They call it Gotham. They call it New York, like two or three different times. I thought you were talking about when, when like the foreman was reading. Because I caught that too, but I was just like, oh, well, Gotham would be set within the state of New York. So I thought maybe that made sense. But I missed the cab part. I didn't, I didn't hear that part. Well, I think I have to go by that. That's when you're watching.

Al Rensha, we already got Helen Cho, so Amadeus makes sense. You guys hit 80, by the way. Yeah. Let's go. Oh, and as far as Patinson in the DCU, again, I think Koi hit the nail on the head. Let's not dive into multiversals yet, but if you have a situation later where it's like you do a crisis, like a live action crisis within the movies, not what happened on the CW and whatnot, you can bring him in then, but he's not fighting. a poison ivy in the Batman. He's not fighting a bane with like crazy jacked up toxic sludge

that allows him to like punch through walls. So like it wouldn't make sense with the tone of the character that's been set. As an actor, absolutely. But as a character that's being developed based off of what we're about to get out of Superman, that don't make any sense. Jacob Tizano follows it up and says everyone exists in vastly different cities away from each other. It's even in canon rule that Green Lantern doesn't go to, Gotham, that's in Batman's territory.

So I think it 100% could work, especially if they bring Matt in, collaborate, any big moves movies like Justice League when they eventually get there. I mean, I don't know. It's just a tone just seems very different. He follows it up and finishes with, I would also

count the Batman as movies said as his younger age before Superman showed up. This is how I would handle it. What do you all think? I mean, look, you can make it work. You can make it work. I just don't know if they should try. I don't know. I would be actively upset.

I would, I would too, man. You have made this too realistic. Batman has always had a little, like he's been realistic, but there's been a lot of fan, like fantastical elements. We didn't even remotely catch any of those in the Batman. So I just don't know how you do that. I don't want to see Jim Carrey as Ace Ventura in the Truman show. Right, right.

Like it's a different world. I don't want to see that disparate tone make both lesser. Yeah. Derek the great. By the way, Winston, how did your audition go on that massive donation day? Oh, guys, that went really well. I now, that's part of why I haven't had any videos recently because I was either on set or in audition, onset for something else, but in like auditions regarding that,

for those that aren't super familiar with the industry, that should just, excuse me, That stuff just takes time. But that first step jumped into step two. So thank you. Thank you for asking. Armada, did you see that Michael Bean has a podcast on YouTube? No, but I don't doubt it because he was on Michael Rosenbaum's show. And every time he was on there and he just speaks so honestly, his clips blew up.

And I think he started to enjoy doing that. So I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why he started podcasting is because of his time on Rosenbaum's show. But I didn't see it. I let's coy answer this one. Greenie from Oz, favorite Spider-Man villain and why? I like Green Goblin because he's both a villain to Spider-Man and Peter Parker. I think it's one of those beautiful thing that unites the character. He also is a scientist, so there's some reverence Peter had for him up until he found out who he was.

I like that he plays the long game. I like the Osborne legacy. I like the fact that he's done the one thing no one else could do, and he broke Spider-Man's psyche when he killed Gwen Stacy. I think he's the ultimate Spider-Man villain. And King Slomo, Winston, F, the world. Also, give Sam her MCU journey. Yeah, maybe, maybe, I mean, I was thinking about watching,

because just to see how she, because she really teared up during the, some moments in Logan, I think there's moments, obviously, in endgame and everything else too, she'll, she gets invested enough. She, I mean, she's, she is just so great. Like, she does not hold back on her little reactions,

like laughing, crying, screaming at the thing. She's the bat. And it's totally honest and real. The librarian of Alexandria. Net Comic-Con predictions, or New York Comic-Con predictions? I will forever hope we get Squirrel Girl adaptation news.

Anything there you guys are excited for for that? I feel like you're only going to get Squirrel Girl once the ship has fully, like, has fully been written. As soon as you write the ship and, we feel like we're in a comfortable place, then you might see a squirrel girl. I don't think it's coming before that because the last thing you want to do

is you're in this weird space of is the MCU going to survive type situation and then you introduce a character that is very niche and loved, very niche. I just,

it's going to be a long time before we hear that, I think. Um, mom's the world. Could Joaquin get another Oscar nom? Not for this. His performance was good. It was great.

No, like it's not going to. No. And then, yeah, Mike, I'm not sure, man. I got to look. He said he can't send a $5 one. So I see someone put $7.99.4.99. I got to check that if there's a setting or something, but I didn't change anything. Greenie from Oz, weird question. But if you were trying to guess, what would you guys say?

What gives a movie? It's hard. Authenticity from the creators, not something made by committee or AI. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, um, I would argue, at least from like a theater perspective, where I was kind of raised, like, almost like a mission statement, something that we're all kind of like remembering every single day and bringing it back to. And you don't let any decision that's being made kind of stray away from that. Because the minute you do, I think you start to lose your focus. And that's when movies fall apart.

Well, Derek just showed, I guess, that you can send in the final super chess because he just did. in the trailer he gets bitten by a lion and he gets powers he also sees through the eyes of an eagle in the trailer i guess the first trailer right yeah yeah that's was like two years ago now i really and maybe they didn't but i really hope because the new trailers have been great i think they righted that ship i'm not sure this is the one that mike said in yesterday but i want to highlight highlight mike's comment wrote that ship rode the ship uh mike joyce transformers one should definitely be nominated I sure hope. I sure hope. I absolutely loved it, but I don't think it will be because I think people are going to just forget about it.

John Alexander, given how long it's been in development, will we ever see a spawn movie? I think we will. I think eventually we will, but I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a streaming movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. Corey, do you think it'll happen? Corey, you're going through that thing again. You just went through before. Yeah, you just muted. Yeah, you went dark and then, yeah, you got to jump out again. All right.

Do you think it'll happen, Winston? a Spawn movie? I mean, I think a Blade movie will happen, so it's got to happen at some point, right? At some point, right? It's just a question of like, yeah, a question of when, when will it happen? And then, here we go again,

Buster Barnes, we need to let gun cook before using the food, before judging the food for judging it. You got, let them season it, you know, make sure you can put too much salt on it and whatnot, you know, that's what it is. That's wild. Okay.

Pete Parker 22. 88 fully agree with coy about joker it's like phillips just wanted to make king of comedy remake but slap joker in the title to make money uh i mean i'll let coy to respond that when he comes back in but i think um yeah he definitely wanted i think that that's what he should have done in the way that because he just said that about marvel look when marvel did their thing air coy's back but when when marvel did their thing like when they made a movie like look at i'm going to ask coy because he's back right now it's quite i know you can hear me but just let me let me bring you back on screen here when they, you know, when they did the first Spider-Man, the Homecoming movie, right?

Mm-hmm. So they did the Todd Phillips, I mean, Todd Phillips, the John Hughes-type feel. And everyone's like, oh, that's great, it's brilliant. It's got John Hughes feel. So what's the difference if there's a king of comedy feel to the first Joker? I think feel versus copy. I mean, it's like you got to change the homework a little bit. Winston, do you disagree?

No, that's kind of where I was going to go, is that it may have felt like a John Hughes directed a Spider-Man movie, but it was a Spider-Man movie. I feel like the fact that we even got from this second Joker, Todd Phillips being like, nah, that's not really Harley Quinn, man. This Lee, and she does her own thing, and we're not really doing the thing that she did,

but we're going to do something sort of like it because it's, like, loosely related to it. Like, that's, that I think is kind of what you were alluding to, right? Coy, is that, like, either do the IP, or don't do the IP and be inspired but don't I mean I mean for me more about the directing like there are shots in Joker that are from taxi driver there are moments that are literally like for me it's like he's having he's having a rough day today

having a rough he's having a rough day with this camera man perfect am I back you kind of just for me yeah I'm going to give you a rest Uh, Roman Fedora. Just love seeing you guys gush over Warrior and Creed. Those two movies were integral to developing my love of film.

Yeah, they're great movies. And he follows that up with Stallone. It's one of my favorite performances ever. He's, he's so good. Oh, yeah, man. I, I agree. When they gave me a dude. What did I do?

Corey's got a camera. The camera keeps getting knocked out. Cammer got to get back up. Thank you. It's 96 degrees. apartment my phone is actively overheating so I'm getting that red thing and it keeps blacking out and now Tom Rose I'm behind in the live stream on the MCU budgets I think smaller budgets but a decent size audience will get you more seasons of that specific show love listening all week

have a good weekend thank you Tom you're you guys are all really awesome really appreciate that and now paddy boy Christian a new member of the new york the NYFCCC what's that Critics Association maybe? I don't know that that's what that means. New York film critic. I mean, I'm not sure. No? Yeah, I'm not sure.

There's a few left. You guys are up at 91 already. Approaching Rocha, getting close. New York Film Critics Circle. Oh, no, I'm not. I'm part of the CCA. Andrew Carnes, for rumors of Warner Bros. wanting Patinson to be the DC-Batman,

how in the world can you mix Baton's in the same universe as crypto and a talking squirrel? I mean, that's what we're saying. You can't. You shouldn't. You just can't. And then did you guys get your Oasis tickets? I did.

That's from Paddy Boy. No, I did not. But I'm glad you're going, and I hope you have a wonderful time. Call an ambulance. Julius Wyatt. Interstellar and Lion King always get me crying. Those are two going. I got to re-watch Interstellar.

Dude, they're re-release seeing in theaters in December. I've been waiting. Are you going to go back and go check it out? Yeah. I almost watched it this year, but I'm waiting. Coy, have you heard the, have you heard this theory that's been kind of going around about Inesteller recently and like people looking at it actually from a completely different lens.

No. That Matthew McConaughey's character the whole time is actually dead. He's actually a ghost. And so this is just all him like, especially when you see him like trying to no. Maher! Like I'll send you the theory, but I was actually like, oh. I love that anytime there's an existential movie, people are like, but what if he's dead? Like in like that's always.

But the fact that even when he's in the bed and the whole family's around him, nobody's actually looking at him. Right. It's a smart. Interesting. I got to rewatch that. The librarian of Alexandria. Thank you, librarian.

Big question, but what is a movie that does not exist that you want to? Ideal mix of actors and crew. This is, for me, I really want to see a well-made Flash Gordon movie. So I don't know about you guys. I mean, I've been wanting Saga forever. I know it's a comic and this is a comic show, but like, saga real, real bad. Jake Gyllen Hall is Marco

Shannon Sossaman as Alana directed by someone who's done a fair amount of psychedelics Yeah that's a saga It's a good one Winston got anyone that comes up But not really

Not yet, okay So Derek says I'll save more details for the spoiler talk But did you catch the part where they referred to the city They were in his New York Oh there you go, yes I did I did in a couple different times And I was wondering why they did that

if it was a mistake or if they were doing it on purpose buster barns do you think to differ from the mc u the dc u will have less classic trilogies like superman one two three and will instead more likely have superman super wait superman superman superman and supergirl world's finest for example kind of i think i'm say do you think instead of like the pockets of trilogies like cap and thor and whatnot it'd be more like superman going into world's finest going in the super world's I see, I understand. Okay. I don't know. Quir, what do you think? I think that the way they're greenlighting things, it's going to be more like what is the audience feeling and will go from there. I know they have a 10-year plan, but it looks like right now it's going to be Superman into Supergirl because that'll be kind of a connection, but not a direct trilogy forming.

So I see what they're saying, but I think it's way too soon to tell. We have to see what people like first. Agreed. Okay. Let's see. So next question we have here is. is Jordan Alford, who says, I really love the movie, and I hated the first one. It was much more interesting, and it didn't rip off Scorsese. I dared to be different, and I respected that. Okay, fair enough.

Respect. Yeah, totally fair. I think that's more than fair to, as Winston said before, if you have an argument and you make it like that, hard to fight back against you. Derek Johnson, 100% agree with Christian on the budget of these movies spiraling out of control. Definitely understand that Agatha has not pointed at me. I'm still loving it, but it's definitely not a show meant from a man's perspective. I, yeah, and that's, and that's fine.

It's so funny, because my wife and I were talking about it, and she made a joke, and she goes, oh, there's some, something, she's like, oh, this one's made for a real manly man. And, and someone goes, what a dated way to think. And it's like, shut up. It's like, dude, we need to start. I think that's actually one of the issues with how we're perceiving things right now. got to be able to see stuff from other people's perspective. I think you've got to be able to watch and agatha and sure they're not trying to talk to you specifically but like understand that seeing

something from another person's lens actually is an interesting thing and you can still get something out of me. That's how you develop empathy. I think we also have to swing the pendulum back a little bit of people being like a dated way of thinking like we get it. You're empathetic. Stop. It's true. It's true. I'm a pretty left-leaning dude and I'm so sick of like eggshells. of society. Oh, it's so, dude, it's so like, we go out to make the stance. It's like, no one's telling it. Shut up. No one's hurt. Let move on.

There's more boring. It was so annoying. Jedi Master for Life, magic in the MCU. I mean, I think there's always been magic in the MCU, though, right, with Dr. Strange and a bunch of other things. So, Patty Boy, Haunting of Blind Manor, a great spooky season

show. Do you guys watch that one? So good. Well, Flanagan on Netflix. It's fantastic. It's pretty good. Okay. Haskell, 420. Hey, you, your Bastages. Who would you cast as Johnny Dangerously? Oh, my God. You know, I actually, Jason, what's it? Jason Sudakis, I think would be a great Johnny Dangerously.

And Moroni, if they made it. Sasha Baron Cohen. Jason Lee, I think it would be a great. Johnny Dangerously? Yeah. That's an older Johnny Dangerously. True. It's just so the snarky, the quippy, he's got that Chevy Cheneery.

I know Michael Keaton was the original. Actually, Johnny Dangerously is my favorite Keaton film. That's so good. So that answers the next question. Coy, have you seen it before? Clearly he has. Winston,

have you ever seen it? No. Oh, it's so good. My mother kicked me in the balls once. Once. It is literally like, imagine like the Rocketeer

and Indiana Jones era 40s, but with mile a minute comedy starring Michael King, it was genius. It was such a bomb, it was such a bomb, unfortunately. Blank green can,

and I love that movie, blank green canvas, how will Superman box office be if it's great? It's got a shot for a bill. If it's great, it's got a shot. If it's great, a shot for Bill, for sure. Carlton Rudder, the outrun with Sorcie Rohnen is a superb film.

I keep hearing that, but I haven't seen it yet. And then Derek the Great. Winston said the Fast and a Furious, and I swear to God, I forgot that franchise is still going on. Does anyone even know what's happening with that movie? Well, the last one is... I'm behind. I'm behind, but I just completely just took a big old steam and poo on that franchise for the longest time. And someone's like, bro, just seriously, go watch five and tell me that going forward to not have a big time.

The last movie, the last movie cost too much. It was 370, so they're scaling it back to 200, but it's still scaled back. Bam 86. Seriously, why are there so many films and shows so dark? Where's the fun, feel good stuff? I feel there's so much horror and murder content. There is, but I also think it's a reflection of what's going on in the world today. I think that's, yeah.

I give a baby bit of a pushback right now because it's not just movies. it's TV as well. And if like asking both of you just off the top of your head, can you name five network sitcoms? I don't like TV, does network TV still exist? Like, are there networks? But that's kind of my point is like there is like good comedy out there. But it's studios are too afraid, especially because honestly we've gotten to this era

where everything offends everybody that they're too scared to. put out comedies even like the small budget ones we're we're not getting the super bads and right you're getting them on streaming yeah you're getting one so that's that's the problem Derek says Christian ill that they definitely referred uh to it multiple times as new york and it threw me off at first i thought it was just me mishearing it no they definitely did it a few times it's true that's an example of how it's too much like taxi driver they literally got the city of taxi driver instead of got them like that's a problem yeah uh calvin severe opano hey guys christian on the times of Boom comic sponsor.

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What's up, gang? I was hoping you all could give me tips on how to get into Lord of the Rings. I tried and unfortunately I saw clerks to before any rings. It's hilarious. It's because they always talk about. I would tell you to do, to just try the extended versions if you can. I love the extended versions so much.

immerse and try to find your way in because it is a journey it's so good it's fine i love it kjx if you had one shot one opportunity to seize everything you ever wanted one moment would you capture it or let it slip m and m coming in hi thank you m appreciate it um have a good cry watch that movie you watch the video hard because haley like we grew up yeah i know a hundred percent yeah and his and the way he reacted to it was great too marcus m reeves batman can work the same way that iron man works the solo movies aren't super fantastic but can, again, fight fantastical villains in some team-up films. I mean, what part of a cyborg mega armor that flies around and ultimately gets to space isn't fantastical?

He goes to space like in the first trial run. It went to space, bitch. Yeah, that's true. Cage Cramsheet, do you guys think the budget of Guns Superman Net 270? Is it really 270? Wow. It's justified, considering it's a reboot and reorganization of DC Studios, and how do you see them restructuring their future Slate's budget.

I think 270's a risk. It's a risk. I haven't heard that number before, but I mean, it would be a risk if that's true. Yeah, I haven't heard it either, but when you consider all that supposedly going into it, I'm not entirely surprised, but yeah, that's, but we've said this before. This whole thing is a risk, but a risk that you're so in the hole with Warner Brothers right now, they're like, we need a big win. Jedi Master for Life, Sam's reactions are the best.

Deadpool reaction series or gold. Thank you. Sam is, Sam's great. I'm going to probably bring on a live show eventually too, and she has some time. Carlton Rudder, Winston, Coy, take the chair. Winston, Christian, grab a bagel. I'll be able to eat soon, hopefully. So Jordan, Alfred, hey, Coy, which Rokes Gallery is better? Batman or Spider-Man? That is the question of comic books, and I think that the answer is Batman's is a reflection of his psychology. Spider-Man is a reflection of all the things he didn't let himself have. have in science. I think that depending on whether or not you want a psychological journey with your comic book or if you want a fantastical scientific journey, you got to pick.

Cop out. It's an answer. Cop out. He asked you, simple bitch. He gave his answer. Spider-Man then. You're wrong. Seth B. 413. Hey, gents. Years-long viewer. Thank you so much. First time chatter. Thank you, Sethby.

I was wondering, what are some Marvel comic runs with easy jumping on points you recommend? Anything ultimate, especially the current, like ultimate from 2000 is great. Current ultimate's also great. I like Spider-Man the most than Ultimates. I think that if you can find a character you like, try to find A number one, but try to make it the most modern because that's going to be the writing style that you're going to be most comfortable with. Also, it's important to find an artist that you identify with.

If you don't like the art, you're not going to have a good time. So look by character, then artists, then try to find a number one. And then if you find a writer you like, follow their work. Guys, check your text real quick. And then, so the librarian of Alexandria, do you think now that Disney owns Deadpool if he will do a skit or something with Cuscoe from the Emperor's New Groove? Do you think now that Disney owns Despole, they will do something? I don't, I mean... They both break the fourth wall.

I see where he's coming from. Kusco's my favorite Disney print, so I'd love that. Yeah, they definitely have a shot to do it. So, I mean, the fact that whatever they own, whatever they own, they could probably make a remake. Ian Davis, what do we really think Robert Don Jr.'s Doom is doing? Could he possibly still play Iron Man in the multiverse and Doom in a different one, like the What-F Series?

Do you think they would do that? Do you think that they maybe have him come back? As Tony Stark, though, while Doom is still running around? Is that two meta? I think maybe what, if they really want to, here's what I would do. I would do something along the lines of when he used the Infinity Stones,

He actually blinked himself out of every existence. Don't bring back Tony Stark like that. Just let him be doom at this point. That's probably not what is going to happen. But I hope they don't, man. I really hope they don't. What do you think, Koi? I think they've already made an announcement that made them a lot of money by way of press.

I think that it's already too late that it's a bad idea. But I truly believe that Kevin Faggie has a plan. and I'm at least curious. Like I, you know how we talked about Joker doing well because people are curious? I'm morbidly curious. Yeah. Okay.

Josh Vascovic. This is a great, great question. Best music artist turned actor. Donald Glover. Well, that's a good one. Artist turned actor. No, then that's wrong. Walberg?

Oh, my God. Walburne or Will Smith? Will Smith's good, too. Will Smith would be. I think Will Smith is the answer, but I think Walberg's right there for me. I think it's definitely got to be queen latifah's up there there's some other ones that I'm sure there's oh oh man um not Fantasia's pretty good but no who's uh shoot Jennifer Hudson

common's a pretty good actor so there's some there's some good one riz is great but he doesn't act a lot but when I see him I'm always happy method man method man is a method actually great actor do you know what someone put in which is hilarious my friend Andrew Santino would be a great Johnny Dangerously Chino Santino is Johnny Deacon's gold. Be great. Jacob Pinchin, the amount of mid-budget movies and shows Disney could have made for Marvel's budget is crazy. 100%. So many writers, directors, actors could get their start.

Yes. But the problem is they're too scared to try that because they feel that if that misses on that, then they've lost money that they could have dumped into a big budget thing. I just think, again, that that's not studio heads that are creatives at heart or are trust creative process. that still rings of tech coming in and saying, here's my 300 million, go make me a billion and five. And so they're like, fine, dump it all into a mega film.

I'm impressed with the both of you. You were almost done, and you're only 28 away from Morocco right now. We're at 103. It's pretty damn good. Pretty damn good. Jedi Master for Life. Yeah, I would be proud of that too. Rio mentions magic while speaking with Agatha, Midnight Sun's Seeds.

I don't know. Oh, yeah, she definitely did. I forgot about it. Maybe that was the name drop. That has to be because now that's Mephisto and magic and they're both closely tied to each other. I love that. Great catch. All right.

Black green canvas. John Boyega is going to play Otis Redding. Love that. Oh, is that real? That's what he said. Oh, man. That's why he gets so jacked though to be Otis Redding? I don't know if that's why.

Yeah, I don't know if that's why he got jacked up. But maybe maybe also. Simba Leslie Choto, much love for. from Cape Town, South Africa. That's amazing. Subscribe since the Shmo's. Thank you so much. I think the...

Cape Town is one of my favorite cities, and you guys have this amazing drink called a Vovacino, which I've never found in any other countries. Cape Town's amazing. Wow. I got to go to Cape Cod. That's where I got to go. I think the Joker 2 is unnecessary.

Maybe you're right. No one is talking about it here. That's not a good thing. I think that is a very... I wish I would have said that in my review. I think that this is an unnecessary. every movie. That's a great call. Yes, because I feel like you told your story from start to finish in the first one,

and I think it felt less like Todd Phillips was like, I just had this idea. I couldn't get out of my head as far as the Warner Brothers goes, bro, a billion three? Can you make another one? Do something. Do something. But yeah, there's more we can talk about with the spoiler side of it. Mike Joyce, Abbott Elementary and Always Sunny crossover. No, absolutely. Oh my God. I mean, It's real. Is that happening?

That's happening? It's actually a thing. I mean, I'm excited about it, but how? Wow. Really? Yeah, no, it's a real, like, it's happening. Wow. I mean, that's as close to Marvel and DC as we've gotten yet,

because one's a W.B. show, one's a Disney show. Wow. I would have seen, well, wait a minute. I thought, though, even though, Abbott is on ABC, I thought it was produced by Warner. That's what I'm saying. Is Abbott's a Warner show? And then always sunny's a Disney show.

Oh, because of FX. Buster Barnes. Would you rather DCU kept Margo Robbie as Harley Quinn, meaning she'd stay on anti-hero or they recast the character and stick her back with Joker? I'd rather they recast. I got to recast everybody at this point. Agreed. I liked her a lot in that role.

I thought she was fantastic. She's one of the great casting decisions, but it doesn't work for the universe going forward. Totally agree. Dr. No. What do you think of John Murphy composing Superman? Can he come up with an iconic theme on John Williams or Zimmer? I know he's the current go-to for James Gunn, but I'm a little bit worried. It's going to be tough because I'm in the minority for it where I feel like Superman should have the same thing that James Bond has.

James Bond always changes. The theme never changes. Now, if you wanted to do it combinations, like sometimes you hear the Zimmer one, sometimes you hear the Williams one, you do that combination of the both of them. I thought Samuel Kim did a great job with combining the both of them. I'd love to see it. But it's going to be tough. Yeah, once they go ahead.

They are both 20th century television. Oh, that's how they're going to do it. Not adding to the music part. Yeah, no, I, uh, no, I wasn't. ADHD, mother. He just was like, I have this statement. He didn't hear anything was going on. The whole time he's trying to inside his head.

And that's why his camera started to freeze because he was looking stuff up on his. Hyper-focused, bro. Hyper-phocus. That was amazing. Coy, what do you think about the music? I think that Superman is one of the most iconic scores of all time. I would have thought you could never do John Williams score justice,

and then Hans Zimmer did it. So I've been proven that it's possible, and thus I'll be open-minded. Third time, maybe he's a charm. Who knows? Derek Johnson, Fargan, bistages is my favorite. Ice holes, best. Ice-T is a great actor, is what Derek Johnson says. He's pretty good.

He's a solid one. He's a solid one. Jacob Pinchin, if only they had a streaming service to put them on. I don't know what he's talking about. Which one? I'm not sure. Always sunny, maybe? Oh, yeah, maybe?

I'm not sure. And you could Hulu that. Top Dog Rig. What other comic book villain would you like to see get their own standalone movie unconnected to any universe and who would you choose to direct? Lex Luthor. Yeah, that's pretty right there, right? Yeah.

You said that. That's all I got. That's what you said. be interesting if you yeah they could be an interesting one um okay last one mirror domains could old pulp like flash gordon work today yes because you'd have to you'd have to give it more of a in the same way that i hope that they would do he man a science fiction meets magic thing and treat it a little bit more serious you can turn things that were a little pulpy into more serious things and don't make them so goofy like the 1980 you couldn't do that again unless you turn it into

a freaking naked gun like comedy and then I would be bummed if they did something like that but you can see him going that direction but making more serious you can make you can make that work it's the premise alone does the premise work and I think that it does Mr. Freeze oh that's a good one I would want to do like a sweeping romance

like an epic romance about him and his precious Nora and then you care about his love so much that when she goes like you're you're invested in the science of him wanting to save her I'd love Mr. Freeze thing who's directing uh you know I would love to see a little thumbs down popped up

when you when you finish that's great I would love to see like a romantic director that would have a second unit with like a Michael Bay like I'd love to see someone that was a director of romance makes the show and then like an action-minded follow-up well we did it guys oh no we didn't Just kidding.

There's one more. And this is from Jacob again. I was talking Disney taking risks. Thank you for the show. Thank you, Jacob. Really appreciate it. So can we put them together so I understand? He said that at least they had a streaming service to put it on.

He said, there it is. Okay. So there you go. Guys, thank you so much. Again, real quick plugs again for, Coy, make sure you check out, Coy, your channel is what, just simply your name, right?

Just my name. Coy, Jondro, lots of stuff coming. I'm really excited about everything that's happening in the comic and movies right now. Same Winston. Swaggy Blurt, right? It's a Twitter.com slash the Swaggy Blurt. Yep. Guys, thank you again for being here. 107 strong for the guys on capes and cows. What a performance from them approaching Winston's old record.

It seems close in the 100th. Thank you so much for being part of it. If you haven't checked out the Deadpool and Wolverine reactions with myself and Sam, please do. So it's up on the channel right now. I got the Batman reaction coming with Sadie next week. We're going to finish up Agatha. We've got some more stuff coming. So thanks for being here.

Thanks for Winston and Quir for sticking around. a little later we appreciate you guys we'll see on the flip side bye bye