The Kristian Harloff Show - The Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 6 SPOILER DISCUSSION

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

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It is Sith Council, me and Darsana. Hello. How you doing? I'm good. I'm recovering from the episode. Yeah, I know. It's a bummer. Well, first of all, thank you for not only just covering last week, but also just bringing

the house down. You and PLD did a great job. So thank you for the episode last week. Yeah. Well, we missed you. you. I'm glad that hopefully fingers crossed next week. We are back. We're back. We should be back next week.

And we'll be talking about Star Wars Celebration. And we'll get into Star Wars Celebration and all that for sure. And, you know, I don't know if there's any other things. And I think that briefly what we can talk about before we get into Mandalorian, and that's Bad Batch delivered. Bad Batch really delivered season two, I think. And the reason I bring

them up now is because I think that there's a point to be made that is relevant to this. this show, Mandalorian. And if you look at our, especially you and I, our biggest complaint with Bad Batch for a while, well, it was like,

you know, side adventures of the week, and then they didn't know what the plot was, and we didn't know what the plot was, and we didn't care about the plot. And what they did, I thought, and I'm curious to hear your take on it, I thought brilliantly,

was that a lot of these side missions that you didn't give a crap about, the stuff when they started focusing on the story, was very intriguing. And then the last, like, four to, like, six episodes of the show was so, heavy on the plot that you were so invested that I saw more people kind of invested in the finale of Bad Batch than I've seen people invested in season three of Mandalorian.

Yeah, I also think it's funny that you bring up one of our criticisms being the side adventures, but I thought that they did do a good job of making those side adventures matter in the end. Specifically, I was thinking last week with the potter racing episode featuring tech and then kind of just having more moments with tech and giving bigger props to his character before he leaves us, you know? I think like you understand some of the choices that they made a little bit better. At least that's how I felt. No, I agree with you.

I think because you get a little bit more invested in him for that. So those meant something. And the other thing is too, the difference, the argument you can make a bad batch over this show is that you can afford to do that a little bit more in bad batch, like an episode like the one you just mentioned because you have 16 episodes. Yeah. When you only have eight episodes and you're only doing 35 to 45 minute episodes, you've got to focus on the plot.

You've got to tell me what the plot is because my biggest criticism with this episode of Mandalorian is not the stuff with the plot. The plot stuff is working for me. The plot stuff of the getting the Mandalorians back together, the idea of Bo recapturing her gloor. and reuniting the entire culture that works the problem is they focus on in on that for maybe seven minutes of this episode right right i at first when we see the mandolarians that were a part of bow's crew in the uh from the past seasons i was like oh hell yeah and i actually love all of those actors like i was like oh this is great and then i

like the pirate stuff too like i thought the creature effects are looking better and better every episode I thought that the water tank was pretty cool. I like that they were speaking in a different language and then made a note on talking in basic. I wish they would have stayed in alien, though. Same. And just translate it to like, we can assume as the audience that the Mandalorians would be able to translate it.

Remember what they did in BobaFet when they had the voice translator for the one alien? If you're going to do it, that's fine. But like what was silly was she says, I'm not very good. Basic is in my first language. So she's trying to talk to Meadow-Lorinz. That was fine. But then she starts talking to the Montcalamari in Basic. Why is she talking to him in Basic? She's been talking to him?

She switched completely. Right. Go back. And then yeah. As soon as that happened, I kind of got this weird feeling that the episode was going to be a little weird. And then it was. It was very cartoony. It was very cartooning. And I think that as a, the problem is

as a animated series, you watch this episode if it's animated and you go well that was a pretty d's that was fine whatever it's just an animated it's this episode of the clone wars it is what it is the problem is that you've established that that's not what the mandolarian is um season season season one especially that episode of boba fat when he's coming in and cutting mfs with with the dark saber and in the meat shop and all that it's like the tone has been all over the place and it was this episode was corny it was really corny right i i It's like it had like you said, I agree completely. There's elements of the plot that I'm so here for.

I love Bo Katan's art. I'm not loving Dinn's art because I don't think there is one really right now. He's sideline. And I and that's nothing to him. Obviously nothing as Katie. I think that they should be focusing in on Bo. But they got to give Dinn more to do at 15 minutes the episode and give more to do. Right.

More dialogue or I don't know. Like I liked some of the parts where he's kind of just like the way he gets stuff done is completely different than the way. She gets stuff done and I like that parallel and the juxtaposition of those two characters moving in sync and kind of separately together. And then like bringing like quills species back into it. I feel like there was a lot of good nods. But the execution just felt like we were in Disneyland. It did.

And people have been using this as a reference there at times that it felt like a Saturday Night Live sketch. A friend of mine tweeted out and said, something I thought was pretty accurate and that was that the stuff with and we'll get into it with Jack Black and Lizzo felt like something out of like a sketch you'd see on the MTV Movie Awards, which I think it was about the most accurate representation of what we saw there for sure. My thing was what I had said in my spoiler review and I'm curious if you agree with this. We both seem to be on the same page that the Mandalorian stuff and reconnecting those, those clans is what the story is really all about.

And I think that what they could have done, especially in a two episode, three episode arc, similar to what they did with like the Death Watch and Clone Wars, focus in on that. Get rid of this silly bad cop, good cop, droid story with Christopher Lloyd and cameo galore stuff happening. Get rid all that crap. And focus in and like when you start off in that beginning with the mandolary, you see that Bose X crew, there are these mercenaries now and they're doing this thing. And make that scene with the Montcalamari. and make it a little sad, make it like a little bit of the fact that they're doing these jobs and they don't care about anything except, you know, where they've sunk now and make it a little darker and not as cheesy and cartoony.

And then focus in now on Bo and Dinn finding them and having to basically do the same thing that they did with, with Dyn's clan, except spend some more time with them and then lead up to that fight. So set that fight because the fight was great, but it's like set that fight. up it's like okay look i'm challenging you the fight will take place in three days and in that time you get more of the conversations between the mandolarians and the idea and cost more casca reves had nothing to do in this except just stare and it's like give her stuff to do have conversations give me more the good stuff that happened in the second episode where you learn more about bocatan and and her past they rely too much that they think that every single person watching this show has watched the clone wars and has watched rebels, they haven't.

You've got to give people an opportunity to learn more about this culture. Yeah, totally. It feels like the Mandalarians in general don't really have dimension in their character choices and their character arcs. I think that, like, Dins people have a little bit more, because you kind of understand through the armor and through Dins character where they're coming from and how their belief system. But Bo's people, it's like, they're just like blindly following whatever's thrown at them with no decision making for themselves.

And they're like, whatever. And it's like these are the proudest people ever. Like if you watch the Clone Wars. The Mandalorians are very true to themselves and to their people. And it feels like they're just like, screw it. Like whatever. And they did it. There was a couple things that they just missed the opportunity for.

They missed. They should have like all the stuff that we've. had this dragging on stuff in the first couple episodes, they could have started this whole thing with showing the falling out between Bo and her crew. They could have spent a full episode of them and why it happened and understanding more of the reasoning that the crew left her and then Din finding her. They could have used that whole Bobafed episode with Din and, and I think Mike had said this in our text chain, and I agree with him, that Din and Groger reuniting should have been saved for this season because if Din would have been out on his own and then you put

that Luke Skywalker episode or the Soca in this, it's relevant to Mandalorian in general. And granted, people are really well, you know, you had to do all that stuff with the armor, then start it out or figure out a way to lead up to it. But they've done these things where they've pieced it out in different shows and in different episodes. And they just, like I said, there hasn't been any development because I think what had happened, and again, I could be wrong. But Andor did something really special with treating the audience with,

a little bit more respect, meaning that, listen, this is a show that you really have to pay attention to, that we're going to treat like an HBO show, like we're going to really dive deep. And a lot of people got it. And then there was that section of like the, oh, I need pew, pew, pew, I need this, I need that. And I think the problem is that they see a lot of that. And they go, oh, well, they didn't really respond to that as much as we wanted to do. So just give them, give them fights with big, with big monsters. every five seconds. Give them droids. Give them this. No dialogue. No, it's like focus on the

freaking story. They've lost that. There's no story until, you know, five minutes up top and then six minutes at the end. I think Lizzo's character had the most dialogue. All right. Let's get into that. Because it's, it's these cameos that feel, and again, I could be wrong, but it feels like a Kathleen Kennedy note of put stars in those roles. We need some stars that'll bring audience, put some stars in that roles. And maybe it's Favro, but it was a wrong call because not only is it super jarring, I don't believe in any world that Lizzo and Jack Black were in love. I just didn't at all. And you said it beforehand before we started filming. I like Lizzo. I think she's very talented. She is not a great actress.

Yeah, because this is her first This is the part I'm I love Lizzo Have loved Lizzo for over five years now And obviously the whole world loves Jack Black He's like America's uncle Yeah, he's the greatest But as soon as I saw it And I think everyone had this collective thought

Is that Jack Black? Is that Lizzo? Is that Christopher Lloyd? Like he's like it was no great point though It's a great point though That's too jarring Yeah. Because it sucks you out of the show for a second. Yeah, fully. And then it just felt like kind of like Alice in Wonderland,

a teacup party between them two as a couple. And I think it's like I like when singer, you know, we've seen Harry Styles come into the MCU world and like now starts acting. But he was introduced in an end credit scene. And he had started doing more acting roles before Darling or whatever the movie was. And I'm like totally for, I think you can have multiple disciplines of talent. But to have your first acting role be Star Wars in one of the biggest shows ever,

The Mandalorian, it feels very pandering to people in a weird way. It's cameo. We need to bring in her audience. That's what it is. It's cameo. We want to bring her audience and we need a big star. And you, that's not that big of a role. You know, it's, and it was.

And the other thing is, so apparently, no matter where you, this place is so irrelevant, this planet, that all you have to do is jump across the table and eat things and you can get knighted. What did Grogu do to get knighted? You're knighted. Why? Now we, so I saw this one tweet. I love Twitter on these, these types of episodes, because it makes me feel like less like a critic. But they were like, now Grogu's a founding Mandalorian. Jedi Knight.

Yeah. No, and I saw, you know what's funny is that I saw this, this is the first time, like a lot of times that there's, and I say this, I say this lovingly. I, I respect people who love everything, right? And I'm talking about the people who legit, I believe you, you love everything that's great. You and I are just not those types of people, right? But I'm seeing some of the people who love everything, not like this. And I saw some, I saw some tweet to people going, look, I've loved, I've loved episodes, but I've loved majority of this stuff, but this one I did not like. And everybody has the same type of criticism.

It's like this, what was this episode? What was it? And then they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, like, runaway droids. It was so, it was so weird. It was so weird. I, in the whole time, you can't help but thinking like, oh, this is a throwaway episode. And it just is like when you have an eight episode season, there shouldn't be a throwaway episode. Not in episode six.

Not an episode six. Episode six, you got to be like, because they, because they were, they left us in a spot from episode five where they set it up. This is what, this is what I was talking about before is that the armor sets it up. She walks both paths. So follow her. And it's like, okay, now we're going to land in this spot in this section to try to get my people back.

And it's probably going to take us two episodes to do it because there's going to be some. and get it a little darker. Make it a little darker. It's too. It's not, it has no, it has no, like, the first couple episodes felt like I went back and watched like season one. And like there's like some like, you know, like daunting stuff and the stuff with, I'd like to see the baby.

Like all that stuff is it's all it's it's. Yeah. If you want a celebrity, get Werner. Right. Right. Right. Like he's established. Yeah.

And, um, I think. One of the things I talked about, because you know I've liked this season, and I've understood that this season is a little bit more fun than the other seasons, and I've been okay with that. And I was especially okay with last episode. There was still those moments where I got pulled out and it doesn't feel as grounded. I don't know if the, like, the look of it wasn't really working for me last episode. I feel like the editing or the lighting felt a little weird. but I was okay with where we ended because I'm like, okay, all the threads that they've led us across the season is coming to this point now where we get Bo where she needs to be as a character

and then her and Dinn are going to go do what needs to be done. And I was excited for the next few episodes. And then this episode happened and I was like, oh, skirt. Like we're just going back into the old pacing. They're approaching it like an animated series and it's a bad move. And I think that the other thing that I think that they made a big mistake was I look at the people who did like the episode. And I looked at like, I saw Frank Janish's tweet and I mentioned it on my spoiler thing. And Frank's a diehard Clone Wars fan, right?

He's a diehard Star Wars fan. And he was like, this felt like a really, I had fun with this. It felt like a really good episode of Clone Wars. And it's like for a Star Wars fan that hardcore, that's great. But if you want to survive as a pop culture phenomenon like you were and having everyone watch this show, You can't do that. You can't do that for a lot of different reasons where people who were into the serious tone of what the Mandalorian was and now treating like this animated show. Plus,

they assume that everyone has watched these shows. They don't dive enough. They don't dive deep enough into developing anything. And it's just kind of, it's kind of like cotton candy. And it's like, this show should not be cotton candy. It wasn't cotton candy in the first two seasons.

It shouldn't be in season three. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. and it's it's i was so looking forward to bryce dallas howard's episode yeah just because i have loved her episodes in the past so much i think she's an excellent director uh and i just a lot of this was in the writing and just in the story arc so it's not really as much on her but it was it's both i think it's a mix yeah uh but it was it's i liked how it ended but it was just like why did we do

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it just didn't it didn't it didn't make sense it just didn't make sense and um you know like Like I got a kick out of when Dan was kicking the droids around. I mean, even though he's picking on the poor things. They weren't even doing anything. I know. He's kicking the droid and the droids. And when do the droids start running like that? And if they could run like that, why didn't they win the war?

I never saw that droid, that droid ever run like that, ever. Ever. Yeah, fully. This guy was like a linebacker. Terminator. They're running around. It's like, if those droids could run like that during the war, they, no one would have, they would have just run over everybody.

in the show they were like that's a good point yeah and it was like it was like when did when did that happen um and i don't know it's like it's it's just this whole thing of they get to this planet and i and and it's a bummer because it's another reason why i just wish it would have focused on something else because the chemistry with i think i think and as and i mentioned it again and i'll mention it here is nothing to do with my relationship with katy i um i think she is killing it in the role i think that she is doing everything that she has been asked to do. I think I like the idea that they're focusing in on Bo. I think it makes sense.

I think it makes sense for her arc. The chemistry between the two of them works, and I think that they could have done more. That's why I really emphasizing the fact that I would have liked to seen them together reconnecting and her being, you know, apprehensive about going back and Dinn kind of talking, giving Dinn more to do to where he's talking to her and saying, listen, we'll make this work.

We'll get them back. they won't do it right away and they've got to go through these trials and they and they really putting them through the grinder and maybe they start like almost even like really putting din through it and not torturing them so much or maybe even torture them to getting into a place where she's got to protect him and putting him through the ringer to where finally she gets a respect back in like a two or three episode arc into like a dark mandolarian past of really earning it as opposed to just showing up and go hey i'm going to fight you okay let's have a fun let's have a fun fight. Okay, well, you know the Dark Saber. Yeah, but that alien creature, you know, beat her or beat

me and then she beat him. So I could have told her that a couple of episodes ago, but it was more relevant to do it now. So there you go. It's like, yeah, yeah, because she could have walked up with the Dark Sabor. Yeah, he could have helped her out. He clearly knew that. Yeah. He could have, right, right. And she probably knew that too, but like, I don't know. Yeah. So that could have been an on-screen, but off that moment moment. And then they could have come and like actually had conversations about like politics and how they leadership and what they want to do. What's the plan moving forward now that she's met all these other Mandalarians

who are okay with the fact that they live a walk a different way of life. But I did like that she came and she was like, knock if you buck. She was ready to go. True. But it wasn't the I don't think it was the right choice. No, because you made the great. You made a fantastic point.

He already knew this. He already knew that the saber was not his anymore. So, hey, hey, jerk off. Instead of letting her get, she gets her head bounced off of a ship 12 times. Instead of her letting to get her ass kicked a couple times and having a fight, just go, you don't need to fight them. Why? Because it's yours.

Just walk in there with the saber. Say, you know, say it's yours. So just go in there and say, I've got the dark saber back. I earned it back. So follow me. And they were like, all right. that's that's all it is right and and so it was just kind of like uh i thought they were gonna din was going to scrap with her you know and then it was like uh because when when we were

doing our spoiler reviews of that episode two there were quite a few people who said well didn't bow earn the thing back because that that creature beat him and then she got the uh she got the thing and i was like i don't know if that's necessarily how it works but apparently it is um i didn't Yeah. I didn't know if it had to be in hand-to-hand combat. Right. Seems like it seems like it was. But I think it's the problem. I think that they're changing the rules. I think that they're changing the rules a lot. And I don't think that they had, unfortunately, um, I think that this show this season is suffering from what the films suffered from. And I don't think they really had a plan. I just don't think that they did.

I think that there was, you know, they have a couple things and little little things that they want piece together and where they want to go with it. But ultimately, I don't think that they have a plan. And I think it's been pretty relevant to where they're just, they're relying on Star Wars moments and and creature fighting and those types of things. And that works well in animated. That works well in these series like Bad Batch.

But when you're telling a story on television, and especially if you come after something with the writing so crisp like and or it's going to stick out like a sore thumb, The writing in this episode was bad. It was a badly written episode. Well, now I'm even like, really, I said that it was the, um, Lizzo and Jack Black characters were giving me Allison One Newland vibes. Yeah. It's called.

Isn't the episode called through the looking glass? It should be. I think it is. No, it's called hired guns. Oh, was it? Okay. Yeah, that's hilarious. So Christian.

Oh, I probably. But I, but they end like the croquet scene, the space croquet. Yeah. This was so. the queen of hearts and her little like nub of a husband in the move, Alice in Wonderland, you know, and the queen and the king.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and you know, we love Alice in Wonderland. What do you mean? That's just so wonderful. I, I had a cameo in there as well. They cut it out. That's okay. I'm going to a Lizzo concert next week. Right. All the kids, all everyone on sets kids are going at a Lizzo concert.

100%. Um, but it was like, Yeah, there's a real bummer because I couldn't even like I could it's only so much you can cover with it. It's like you know, then they have that silly scene where they go in like like they go into the they're doing like the full analytics on the droid and they're going through the nano things and all this. No one cares. No one cares that had nothing to do with anything except just wasted dialogue and then and then Bo and din knew more than the freaking doctor or whatever. the whoever the that that the person was like oh that's just rim sequencing and both like that's letters right and it's like what are you doing there or do you like and then the idea you know the the the kind of the playoff of how we're all addicted to our computers and our phones and it's like

well we can't survive without the without the robots and or the droids and you can't do this and it's like okay it's like but what's what is it what is it really and then what's what was the real motivation for Christopher Lloyd and it was like it did didn't it just play like a like a clone wars episode yeah it did it definitely did and like the the droid like everything kind of I could see being in a writer's room and being like that's fun that's cool like a droid bar like all these droids get second chances post empire yeah but then collectively it was like too much like I felt like I was really walking through a theme park the entire episode yeah and it's like but use that bar for a different purpose. Use it to,

use it to actually further the actual story itself of information through Moff Gideon's people or anything else to or tie it into the overall storyline. Same thing with the agnots. It was great to see the uggnots again and the idea that because of Quill, Krill, there was a kind of kinship and he knew how to talk to them. I loved all that stuff. But again, I loved it outside of the story that they were in. I wish they were in a different story, the same kind of moments to where he knows how to talk to the Ugnots now.

I think that was great. And yeah, yeah, but do, but do more. And then what happened by the way with this IG 11 story? Like what happened to that story? Oh my gosh. There was there was the story in the beginning, which we didn't like, where it was like, oh, yeah, we're going to, we're going to bring him back to life. And then it's like, and he's going to help us because I need him. I, I, at all the droids, I need him to come to Mandelor.

Oh, yeah, we, we can't get him. back though okay so you know what he's going to be like the sheriff of of navarro's what's going to happen they're going to go back in the finale and they fixed him up and now here he is walking around as the as the new sheriff because they have no no sheriff's true it feels like they just did that in hindsight to look at babu fricks people and that's what i'm saying like the whole season that kind of when i look back feels like a theme park where you're walking through exhibits of star wars and all the different groups of species we've seen in the movies and shows before and been like This is their exhibit.

This is their exhibit. Yeah, it's true. It's because it's just like they aren't focusing in on an actual story. And when they do, it works. But they just, if this show has been, let's say, 100% of, if you take 100% of what this series has been thus far, I think 75% to 80% of it has been, as you say, theme park moments. And look how much fun.

Don't worry, this is the Star Wars stuff. These are the Star Wars themes. And this is kind of like an animated show brought to life. And then 20% of it is story. And that's being generous. Yeah. Yeah. And I agree with you on the Bo Catan stuff. I actually really love the Bo storyline.

I think that it's cool. I think that it makes sense. I think it's a great use of Clone Wars and connecting it to live action. I just wish that there was more of that if that's the story then make that the full story 100% and it's like and and don't assume that everyone is like us and knows her story Mike doesn't Mike doesn't know the full story of it like she had a couple of lines in episode two show me some stuff you know if you have to like deage katie by you know 10 years or 15 years and show her when she was younger during the period that we saw a clone

Wars, then do it. You know, like, and, and show me a little bit more, how great would have been to have had a whole flashback scene instead of this silly nonsense with droids. Give me a flashback scene during the time when Mandelor was really thriving and show me Satin and show me their relationship and show me some of this stuff, flashback and show, let the audience know who didn't watch Clone Wars. What was going on in Mandelor? It's called the Mandalorian.

And it's like these, it's like they're just giving you like these kind of like, well, it's just it's just fun now and it's like star wars should be fun but you also got to if you if you want to play in this again pop culture show that that kind of was this phenomenon and not just have to rely on grogo to do it you got to give the you got to give a good story and look what they did with with bow no excuse me with boba fat and fenik and all this stuff that they did when bobafebh appeared in that episode where you know grogut was tie into the force and all that and then they interweaved uh boba to get his his outfit back that was a mixture of star wars moments fun moments theme park moments if you will mixed with relevant story and that has been lost in a lot of this

show thus far this season yeah yeah i do think that there was maybe a detour in the sense that they didn't realize how popular grogou was and I know that he wasn't supposed to be in every single season and so maybe some of the storyline has shifted because it feels like they're like oh well now din's a daddy so he can't be the leader of the mandoloreans yeah let's bring in bow which i think was a great idea and makes a lot of sense sure but it just is some of the execution feels a little like they weren't ready for to put out season three yet They could have focused it on Bo, gone into her backstory and everything that they've done without sideline them. And that's a mistake for a lot of different reasons.

One, because of the character in general. But when it becomes clear to the audience, it is a disservice to the great work that Katie is doing. Because people are like, oh, they're just focusing it on Bo now because she's a woman. And that's stupid. It's, it's, that's stupid. She's, she's one of the most relevant mandolving. in the culture and in general and she should be focused on but it but because you focus on one character it doesn't mean you have to bury another character you take something like house of

the dragon right and you look at a show that can focus on multiple characters and give them look and i'll look at a different show that's not in the fantasy realm and i'm and shrinking are you been watching shrinking no i should i oh you would love it it is okay brilliant it is so excited you would love it and it's a brilliant show it's the sense of humor is right up your alley but it is what is so great about the show is it knows what kind of show it wants to be it's consistent in tone but every character if you ask me like about a character i know their backstory i know what makes them tick i know a little side of the side things that they do and i know the reasoning why and they set things up through dialogue they set things up through actions and they set things up through these

characters that they all have something to do. And that's a half an hour, um, comedy drama, you know, where this show, it's like they can't focus in on more than one character and give them more to do. And it's like, it's a bummer because this show was like really, it's, it's going to, it's losing people now and it's got to get people back. And it can. It absolutely can. It just has to focus on telling a story the same way bad badged it. Get away from the side missions. Get away from the nonsense. Don't just don't worry about the audience that just wants the pew-pue. Don't worry about them. Worry about telling a good story and that and that should play. Yeah, the writing really did feel like those episodes in Clone Wars that featured a lot of the protocol droids earlier on in the

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deadline. That doesn't necessarily mean it's not accurate. But I didn't see a lot of people covering it. And I just saw a couple different places. And who knows if it's true or not. But the rumor was that Favreau almost left the show because Kathleen Kennedy was starting to get really involved in season three. And then she was and got really involved in Boba Fett, apparently. And she was the reason why they reunited Grogu and Dinn during Boba Fett.

And Favro didn't want to do that. And then Favro was threatened to leave. And then he had to, whether it went to Iger or Chappek, I don't remember who he went to. But again, I don't know how true this is. You can find the report. And then it was that he maybe it was either that she got heavily involved in Boba or something else. And then he made an agreement that she couldn't be involved in season three or had to stop being involved. Whatever it was, apparently there were big problems between the two of them.

Now, who knows? And Favre is also a fantastic actor. But every time you see him on stage, he's always thanking. Kathleen Kennedy, he calls her Kathy. and that could be playing politics. I don't know. But what I do know is this. And I said this yesterday on my live stream,

and I repeated here. I do think, and I was watching like Back to the Future yesterday, and I saw like Kathleen Kennedy's name as producer. She's produced some of the best movies ever. It's like you're a sports, you're a sports fan. When there is a team that brings in a general manager or a coach, and that particular coach has one,

has a lot of accolades and has. has won championships at other places. And they come in and they just can't fit this system. And it's not the right fit. This is not the right fit for Kathleen Kennedy anymore. She's got to go. Yeah. Yeah, I think that it's,

it's time. It's time. Yeah, I really feel like that in any situation. Like it's a good thing that you compare it to sports. And I think that in companies as well, you see it with like even people like, even people like Jeff Bezos, like there's a time in which you like grew something,

you made it, what it is. And then it's like you move on to something else. That's just how business usually works. Again, you just look at it like a like a championship team. You bring in this particular coach who won a lot of championships like, oh, well, they're going to fit into our system brilliantly. And they don't. And it just didn't work.

And you know what's going to happen? She's going to move on and she's going to win championships somewhere else. Yeah. Because she's a great producer. And people are, she's not a great producer. She is. Look at her credits. She's a great producer.

But being a great producer doesn't mean you're a great creative head at a company, especially if you don't really love Star Wars. And Star Wars is the majority. It's not all of Lucasfilm, but it's a majority of it. And it's like the crown jewel. And she doesn't care about it enough. And she doesn't have to. But if she has to if she wants to, I think if she wants to run it in the capacity that

she's running it. And if the rumors are true, that she's getting so heavily involved. And apparently she's super heavily involved in the acolyte. That makes me very nervous. That makes me very nervous. But I think and creatively involved is what I mean, not just involved in general. If she's involved with casting and those types of things and she's involved with producing, then great. That's, that's what her strong point is. But if she's in the, if there's some rumor, again, I don't know if it's true. I can never remember what's true or not. But if if there was some rumor that they were going so far off of George's original philosophies. You got to stick to George original's philosophies at Star Wars.

Yeah, I wonder and I'm curious what your opinion is, it's like the more that I see shows being really successful on other streaming networks and shows that feature children or are kid-friendly, like Wednesday or Stranger Things on Netflix, it's like, do you think some of them? this has to do with that Disney pressure for the Disney audience. I know we've seen and or do its own thing, but it feels like they keep reverting back to this.

And I feel like Marvel shows struggle with the same issue sometimes. See, from what I heard, again, don't know how true it is it or not, but this comes from a pretty good source. Disney doesn't get too involved in Lucas films shows. They say, this is the show that we're making. this is the one that they get involved in a way of going hey like when shepec was around we need more

material we need this can you guys give us this and they go yeah here's here's bad batch here's uh here's here's and or here's this but they don't get involved with with the creative of it and i didn't know that as much but from one is that they don't really disney doesn't give notes on on a lot of the stuff that they're doing it's like you know like you said can we make this a little bit more fun can we make this that's not from from what i've heard is that's not what they're doing that comes from Kathleen Kennedy and that comes from, you know, a lot of stuff that I heard with her is that again, the stuff that I think is incredibly misguided and that's thinking about things are too inside baseball and not wanting to approach different stories and things too that have been, that have resonated

with the audiences that have either read them or played them. And a good story is a good story. And if you can, you know, I think that they've had this golden opportunity of this well-written stuff that they have and just bringing in screenwriters to adapt stuff. Look at what they do. They're going to do with Harry Potter, right? They're taking Harry Potter and they're going to make the original books. They're going to take those books. Did you hear about this? Yeah.

Yeah, a little bit. So they're basically going to turn instead like, so book one, which came out and like 2001, the movie, it was a full-on book that was condensed into a two-hour and 15-minute movie, right? And there was a lot of stuff that was missing from it. But at the time, there was no streaming. Now, each episode, each season of the, of Harry Potter will be the full book. And you'll be able to take all those things and then, and do that. And imagine you did that with one of these tons of books that you have.

And you turn it into, you know, like I said, like look at, like. That's going to be great. The Harry Potter, right. But look at, so look at like, and I always use Darth Bain because it's my, one of my, it's my favorite trilogy of books. Have you ever read them yet? No, I would love to. Steph, you lose your mind. Yeah, I'd love to. You lose your mind. You really should. And if, and if you do read them, listen to the emperor or the Sith theme while you read it. Okay. It's, it is so, it's, it's fantastic. But anyway, um, if you took those books, that's three seasons. You'd have three seasons. You'd have three seasons.

just like that. And you adapt them. And you do, and it's as opposed to, and there's great writing in a lot of these books that they have. And Claudia Gray, Alexander Freed, James Lucerne,

um, Christy Golden among, and I'm leaving tons and tons of people out. But use those people. And they, they don't do that. And they need, they really need,

they really need fresh leadership over there. They really do because it's, it's, it's a mess. And that's going to lead into Star Wars Celebration here. It starts on Friday. I'm not confident with any of the announcements that are going to come out. I'm bummed because like it's Star Wars Celebration is is such a,

such a tricky thing, right? It's like still to this day, my favorite, out of all the cons, it's my favorite. Because as I mentioned beforehand, like when you go to Comic Con and you go to whatever these things are this you walk on the floor and you might be a fan of a particular thing and then you turn to the right and you might not be a fan of that thing that's that's focused on everywhere you turn to star celebration is star wars so you're you're you're you know remember when we were walking around the main stage of star war stuff there's stuff on the right there's merch there's there's this and it's just that it's a different type of feeling and being in those panels and the energy but i don't know how you feeling

going into this star war celebration are you optimistic are you you you pessimistic what's what's your what's your thoughts it's interesting because i it's coinciding with the mandolarian i feel like a lot of my confidence of star wars in the future was on how successful and how much i loved the mandolian and its execution and then and or thereafter right and even the bad batch like i especially this end the end of season two i thought really pulled it together but i feel like with this episode and with the recent news that we've heard with Damon Lindeloff no longer attached to the projects after writing the script and I mean that's just one of like 50 which we've talked about in the past few years I'm like what are they going to do so I still think

that there's going to be some cool stuff I think there's going to be great stuff with the Asoka series coming out and I feel confident pretty confident about that and with the accolite I think we're going to get cool stuff so that might be enough but I think in terms of like the ship as a whole i don't really know the direction i think i think it's the same i think it's the same problem it always has i think that they're not unified i think that clearly look at television there's a there's a philoni fabro universe with mandolorean asoka uh skeleton crew and then there's a side division with and or then there's a side division with the acolyte and it's like and that's fine and you clearly

to approve they don't have to all be under the same banner to to work but it just doesn't the the plan on friday with the movies is going to be very telling it's going to be very telling of what it is the kind of reaction it's going to get um i uh yeah i i don't know i like the i like that they got the peeky blinders guy i like the director and miss marvel i um i like the team but what's the story what's the plan you know so it's uh yeah it's reminding me of of solo, like just a little. Yeah. Yeah. And I know they filmed a lot of solo before they started changing things, but it feels like.

Yeah. Yeah. It's similar. And I think that, uh, is going to be the, is going to be the story of the, for as far as content. I think they'll probably release a trailer. Ackleid probably release, you know, you'll have the cast come out. Maybe they show a teaser for the audience.

I don't think we're going to get anything publicly. Um, and then Skeleton crew might get some stuff. But yeah, I think that they, I think it was a mistake to release this episode of Mandalorian the week of Star Wars celebration. They should have hit with something big. They should have had something like some big buzz episode, not necessarily, you know, Luke Skywalker episode, but some kind of big moment like that. They should have had a big episode leading into it.

So the hype was just next level walking around. And instead it's like looking at people who normally love Mandalorian going, what the hell was that what was that yeah it's a bummer it's a real bummer but um the apparently apparently also um what's it j Jedi survivor is getting good reviews so that's that's interesting um i started actually giving um knights that i fall in order i and and i'm playing i started nights but i downloaded nights but okay fall in order i gave i'm it's still i have the same issues that we had where I'm not clear what direction I'm supposed to be going in. I think they say and they said they're changing that in the second game.

So we'll, we'll see for it then. We'll see. But the story and the visuals are insane. It is. I'm excited to see it. But look, that's,

that's really all we got for today. I'm very curious to hear what you guys think. Did you like it? Did you not like it? Are you on the same page of Steph and I? Aren't you a different page? How are you feeling about Star Wars celebration going into it? Do you think they could turn the ship around?

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