The Kristian Harloff Show - The Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 7 SPOILER DISCUSSION

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

Join the site, come see us live! http://www.thekristianharloff.com The Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 7 seemed to start to right the ship. Was everyone on board? Will Mando and crew retake Mandalore? Who is the traitor? Star Wars Celebration saw a lot of big announcements. What announcement stole the show? What worked, what didn't? The Acolyte, skeleton Crew and more. We talk about it all on today's Big Thing Sith Concil with Kristian, Steph and Mike. #starWars #mandalorian #sith #ahsoka  MANSCAPED: http://www.manscaped.com/bigthing CODE: BIGTHING 20 percent off! ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing CARBON HEALTH: http://www.carbonhealth.com OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg

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We got a lot to talk about. We got a lot to talk about. It's going to be heated here today on the council. So enjoy it. Let's get to it. It is Sith Council. It's me. It's Mike and Steph.

Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Big thing. Sith Council, me. Steph Sobron. Hello. Mike Kellen As well up. Is your mic working?

Yeah. Is it? Am I, here we go? There you go. Good job, Billy. I'm looking like George Hamilton over here with this tan. Do you know who that is? No.

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Ashley Hamilton? Yeah. It's a guy? Yes. Is an actor? Yes. Slash comedian. Oh, that's fine.

married to Shannon Doherty a little bit. Okay. I'm just letting you know. All right. Welcome back, everybody. We're excited to be talking about a lot of different things. I mean, we could dive into so much. What can't we dive into?

Well, I mean, I think we should talk about the episode first. Yeah, let's do it. We've missed a handful of episodes together because of just things that are happening. You and I got a chance to speak about last week. Yeah. I'm assuming you're on the same page as we were last week's not the way. not the way. Yeah. Yeah. Let me say something. Go ahead, Billy. Here we go. You can love Star Wars, you can hate Star Wars. It's fine, you know, but I can't, I'm sick of this talk from people

if you don't like something in Star Wars. Everything is awesome? No, there is that. There's the performative love of Star Wars that people have to love it because it's their identity and, you know, whatnot. But the, oh, people just forgot that Star Wars was made for kids. It's space, wizards and laser swords. Yeah, but when George Lucas made Star Wars back in the 80s, he didn't dumb it down for kids, 70s. He didn't dumb it down for kids. He wasn't like making a

telotubbies episode. He made it for both. And I can talk about this and that. It was like, I don't remember in Return of the Jedi when Billy Joel popped up as an endor, a rebel soldier or an Endor, because he wouldn't do that. There was no, you know, Gene Hackman walking around on a Star Destroyers and an imperial officer's a cute cameo.

It just wasn't. So for people that have valid concerns that these take us out of it, does and it's not because it was a cute fun episode and we it just didn't work. I think I think okay and or. Yeah. Dejra. Yeah, yeah. One of the best characters we've gotten in Star Wars.

It was an actress and people might have known her. I don't know who Cyril or her were before this show. Right. But we're so invested in these characters. I'm with you. I'm on the same page of you. I think a perfect example of that was this episode were the two Mandalorians that came up like that they found that crew on the ship with her.

Yeah, yeah. And I was like, uh-oh, who's it going to be? That's what I thought. And it wasn't. They were recognized... One from House of the Dragon, right? Yes. Recognizable character.

They're working actors. They're working actors, character actors, that elevated the performance because you're like, like you said, you're like, oh, wait, oh, that's the guy from House of the Dragon, but it doesn't go... But I'd recognize them because I don't watch House of the Dragons. It doesn't take you out of it because it elevates the role more than distracts you from the role. And so I think that's a problem going forward because, like you, I had heard...

When we get into the episode, someone in a celebrity said, oh, this was a role or cameo that I thought finally they're bringing this character. So every moment I'm like, when's something going to pop up? When's Gulp Shitto coming in it? And so when that shit pops up and they're walking, I was like, oh, who's this going to be? That sucks going into a Star Wars episode where something's coming. You're like, who's this going to be now? Yeah. Because we're taught to that now we're going to get these surprise cameos. Social media moments. Yeah. Yes. That's exactly right. But, um, but let's, so let's get into the episode itself. I loved this episode because I'll tell you why.

The things that I've liked about this season so far, I think we're going to have a lot of the same criticisms of the season. The thing I liked about the season is when, and the same thing you and I talked about last week, when they focus in on the story at hand of the Mandalorians getting together, the Mandalorians retaking Mandelor, that stuff's working.

The problem is that they went away from that a lot of times to focus on the big cameos or the monster fight of the week or the side bad cop good cop of the week thing when it's like focus on the story because when you do and you do it the way you did it here we're on board we're invested and the stuff that they did in the beginning of the episode which i thought was brilliant the way that kind of locked everything together the other thing of this episode did well that this season has been doing poorly it was a 47 minute episode you know 50 with credits and stuff too but it allowed you to dive into the character development because step remember you and i talked about the season

episode two when Bokatan's talking about her past and we're like, where's that stuff? It's not here. So I thought they did that pretty well in this episode. Yeah, I do too. I think that they could have even done it more intensely just because I like most people who

watch the Clone Wars or in general who have gotten a taste of Mandelor love the Mandelor lore. And I think that there's so many characters that I'm like I just feel like they could have done backstory on some of these characters. Like there's so many Mandalorians in this fleet that I'm I'm like, these are all, like, cool characters.

I would have built out a little bit more through the season. Right, right. And I know Star Wars isn't really there in that sort of storytelling. Or an end or? Yeah, that's true. We got a little more on like, I feel like I knew Bix. I feel like I knew cereal and all these people. But I do think that they did better in that.

But it feels like every time we dip our toes little into politics, they're like, oh, remember what happened in the prequels? They get scared. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great.

But a great, love this episode. But that point is really well taken because, I love this episode and is easily the best episode of the season. For sure. And one of the best episodes of Mandalorian, I thought. But I do agree with Steph. Really? Yeah.

I do agree with Steph's point that here's the thing. Had they, throughout the season, built up some of these, because there are a few Mandalians that ate it in this episode, had they built those characters up throughout, and had they intercut through that whole corosan thing with the doctor and, and show a little bit more backstory in some of these Mandalians when they went. Because look what happens when Paz goes at the end. We've spent so much time with him that we're emotionally attached to him

and so when he goes, you're like, damn. But I think they could have even explored his character more. I agree. You know what I mean? Like sometimes I'm like, you big hunk of dumb poop. Like, why are you so annoying? But he had a great ending. I will say that. Okay, so

then I think, I was talking to some friends about this and if you're enjoying a show all the way through, you can overlook a lot. If you're not, everything stands out to you. And that's where I am on this season. It is nowhere near one or two for me at all. Yeah, I get it. But like the Paz stuff, we built up his son through ridiculous scenarios.

He's never said there was no goodbye with his son. Even when he knows, like, I'm going to go take care of this. We never got to see his father die. Imagine if he was there on the other side of that wall and his father's dying. And what that would have set up is him as a kid to go on to do. There's so many missed opportunities for stuff like so. the Pershing episode. He's gone. Wiped out, brainless. So why do we even

do that episode? I think he's going to circle back. He's a vegetable somewhere. I don't know. We got one episode left. Yeah. And the whole season, Reclaim Mandelor. Reclaim Mandelor. From what? It's barren. He went there, find out, hey, it's habitable. Let's go. But it's not Barron.

They explain that in this episode. Recolonized Mandelor. I think they should have said. Reclaim it. Reclaim it. Reclaim it. You have needed to take it from someone. Well, they explained that, though. They explained that there's a lot of different thing. In the beginning, she said the reason why we have to go back and the things that it is it is now that we can live on the planet we can do these things but there's there's other species and other things that have made their way through

and there's other things that we have to do they talked about this they got to weed out the garbage I get but let me ask you this and maybe this is a good thing now because for a while there I felt behind the eight ball because I hadn't seen Clone Wars you guys have so maybe I'm the audience member now it's going in is the show going to insider baseball I think that the web because Thrawn the talk of Thrawn and I know Throne from here to the empire The book. That's all I know him from. But they're using a lot of that. I know, but they're using, and I haven't read the book in 25 years.

But all of he's so massive in the Clone Wars. Are people like me and, you know, the core Star Wars is the core Star Wars, but that doesn't generate the views. You've got to get everyone involved. Agreed. Is it getting too inside of baseball? Not for Thrawn, and I'll tell you why, because I think Thrawn, you know, you could ask the same question about Thanos in 2011.

You could ask the same question, like when you were watching those. And they started mentioning Thanos, and you're like, who the hell is Thanos? You know who Thanos is. Right. I didn't know who Thanos is. No. But as long as it's, now I'm not telling you that they still can't drop the ball by saying, by throwing him in there and saying, you know, well, here he is. You should know because you should have watched rebels.

You should have watched this stuff. But by just mentioning him, I don't think it's inside baseball. But what I would say is a little bit more that they should have. They relied on people just like the bulk of tan stuff. As Stefan I mentioned in episode two, she mentions something about our family. dive into her story more and tell us more about her sister and those types of things to let people like yourself know a little bit. You don't know the history of her. No. Or Vizlas.

All that stuff. All that stuff. You should give us more of that and you could have added 15 minutes into it. So leading into this particular episode, let's start with. They could have used Grogu as kind of like the straight man. Because he's a foundling. You teach foundlings your culture, right? So he could have been a good plot point to be like,

sharing the Mandalorian history. He's the eyes of the audience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, but they're relying too much on the goo-go-gaga stuff still, and they gotta get... Well, I loved it, this episode. Of course you did.

Of course you. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's Daniel Bryan. Are you wrestling fan at all? No. So there was a character in Daniel Bryan in WWE, and his whole thing was, yes, yes, yes. I could not stop thinking about that.

That's hilarious. Is it the wrestler's voice doing it? Oh, no, no, that's Tyca. That's Taika. Yeah. That's doing it. Okay. But, all right, let's, so a couple different things.

I'll tell you what. So when the, when the episode starts off, yeah. And you start off a Corrasson, and right away, what I liked about this was you get Katie O'Brien and she's back. And it, and it's very Blade Runner. I love the way this was shot. Me too. And I think that what it does is it establishes that whole angle, ties up the angle with the doctor, shows it the probe droid comes out. And we know, you know you're getting Gideon because they even set up where they're like, okay,

well, someone rescued him, and he never made it to trial. And we see him. And we're like, okay, well, he's back. He's the guy. They could have brought him back maybe a little earlier, but they didn't. Here he is. And basically saying, she's the one who says, look, here's what happened with on Navarro, Boca Tan. We still got problems.

Pirates. Yeah. And he's like, all right, well, thanks for letting me know, get lost. And you've got this. This is one of my favorite scenes. This scene that you talk about, Mike, the novel itself and the tie-in to the way that They try, I think that the new trilogy is some of the messiest storytelling in Star Wars history. The new sequel trilogy.

Yes, of course. But they start to make sense of it all in this with everything on it with the program that they're working on with Hux. Cloning. Hux's Dad. Yeah. Hux's Dad, which in the novels of Aftermath, I don't know if you read Aftermath, but they bring up Hux's Dad. And Hux's Dad is one of the major forces in helping create the First Order. And they go to the Unknown Regions and they do all these things.

And they also bring up the program of the cloning aspect of it. What I loved in this particular scene, though, was Gideon could not give two craps about Thron. All these people, like, worship the ground, the Thron. They're all talking about Thrawn. He's going to come back. And he's like, yeah, I've heard about this imminent return of Thrawn. Where is he? So how about we need new leadership instead?

And this cat here, he was. Who's from rebels? Not only rebels, he was the guy in the Timothy Zon novels who was the most loyal to Thrawn. And then they brought him, and then Flonny plucked him from the Zon. Flon, as much as he's not a big current canon book fan, he's a big Zon book fan from the back in the day. Is it because, I mean, back in the day, you remember this, in that period of... It was what we had. That was it.

Shadows of the Empire and heir to the Empire. He said as much in an interview. That was it. That's all we had. Flonnie said as much as an interview recently at celebration. And I say that not as a, as a, like, you kids didn't know about it. You didn't have it rough like we did in the night.

That's just what we had. Like that, Dark Empire, the comics. So you read it because it's what you had. Yeah, but it was, but to know like, the shadow of the empire book with that thing, they had the book, they had them come in and do a CD score to it because it was all we had. They did this big score for the book.

That's awesome. I will say that, I think that one of the things though, as they start to, this is, this is the I don't know how much involvement Flonni's really had this season in this because I think he's all over this. It seems like, I don't think so. I think he's been working on Asoka

and I think this is more Rick Famoeia and Favro is what it seems like. Okay. Oh yeah, shout out to Rick Famu Yiwa. I thought he killed this up. Yeah, I think all his episodes have been really great to me. Well, he's an executive producer of the show this year. So he's heavily involved, yeah. So he

but anyway, so this, but this particular scene did obviously have the Flonie touch on it because this is going to play into all the stuff that ultimately is this movie that we talk about. But this guy, he's like Thrawn's number one guy. But they had this whole

council and it's basically like... Shadow counsel. And I think that by the way, and I love that. Like, you know, if we still, if we keep messing around the New Republic's going to think of us more of this little they're going to start to realize what we're doing here. That we're trying to basically form the first order, right? And then this, I think that this is Brendan, Donald Gleason's brother.

Yeah. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so he plays his dad. Yeah, which is so, I love when they do this. I love when he did stuff like that. So then, but then we get into Navarro and we get this whole thing where, you know, they're looking up and they get, and it's finally the Mandalorian culture is coming together and they camp out in Navarro. And they're both like, is a friend, they're always like, well, whatever it is.

I'm bringing them whiskey. and they show up to basically unite the clans. And it really is the armorer that is responsible for this because she was the one who told Bo walk both paths, man. Right. You got us. She's sketching me out a little bit. Who, the armorer?

Yeah. Why? I think she's bad. I think she could be. Because the episode's called the spies, plural. We know one spy, Katie O'Brien's character. She's clearly who's the second spy. And she took off after that one point.

Didn't she? She was like, I'm, I'll see you guys later. Right. She wasn't in that main, she wasn't in the badder. The armor is going to sell them out? I just think so. These are my thoughts. It would be kind of nuts if she is because of the lengths she goes after to like create the armor for people.

But also it's like she's the only one without a blaster. And I, so that could be for her character. Like she's like, whatever. I'm with it. I don't need a blaster. But it's kind of dumb. Like if you're going to war, doesn't make sense. And then someone in the camp, though, led them to this.

I think the, that's, I was glad. It might be one of the pirates. I was glad it wasn't the pirates. I hope it's not the pirates. It might be one of the Mando pirates. The other one is what's not, who's, who's the one that was fighting Paz-Visla and was fighting Bocatan? Oh, yeah, yeah, I forget. Flew.

He's the only one that I think is. Axelows? Yes. It could be him too. No. It's possible. I, because, and remember when they, when they showed the shuttle that freed Mof Gideon, there was Besscar. Yeah, but that's the best car that's the best car that's the, they, they, they,

took from... That's these new troopers that he made. But where did they get... Mandelor. How did those troopers get them? They took it from... He's been in Mandelaar. How did they know to sculpt it? Because that's what he's been doing. He's been creating those... Gideon's been sculpting the armor. Yeah, he's been doing all that's what...

That's why, Tweed he's got his arms and Moth, Gideon is basically a Mandalorian drag queen. It's the same people... I kind of think it's their armor. I think she's a little... You think she's been helping? I think she's a... I think it's her or exactly who you just said. Ex-Wose?

On that point, such a misuse of Merse use of Merse Mercedes. Like she literally doesn't talk and this woman is awesome. It's interesting because and why not explore her? She should say when we met her before she was always in the episodes and X took a back seat. Right. Now he's taking the front seat to her. And it's not a matter. I mean, I don't know.

Maybe when they filmed this she was still with WWE but I don't think so that maybe she didn't have enough time. No, she's always in the back right with her helmet off. She's so good at like side non face and I'm like, okay, I feel you. But well next to Dinn, she's the first one to stand up and she's like, I will go. Yeah. Right. And I loved all that. And I was so glad, by the way, when that freaking monster popped out of the thing, I'm like, here we go. Are you doing another 20-minute battle with a monster?

And they don't. They spend like three seconds on it and they get the hell out of there. It just drives them into the cave, which I thought was great. But all of that and like the- Yeah, that monster was random. The battle that they had inside of the cave, the idea that they have to go and set up. And then, you know, being the one who's ultimately caught and that whole thing he's doing when he's. Oh, my God.

And he's caught behind and they can't do it. doing anything because it's not just din by the way we don't realize this is again going back to your point had they set up a conversation with din and this other mandolarian that they build up throughout it because there's two it's him and this other and the other one dies real fast but imagine they set that person up right we don't even see him we don't care even care right it's just another extra that gets killed but they would have set that character up and then and then and then they die and you're like oh man din's gonna be din's in trouble here and he's and they capture him and then john carlo rocking that suit. Oh yeah. With the cape, he's a boss. Like he really is such a fun actor to watch. I'm like, God, you are such a villain. The show is missing him. Totally. If he was in court, I like the reveal that he's been planning, plotting, and we kind of knew but didn't know. But it's also like he's the villain. We should have him in here. I don't care about the pirates at all. But I thought that within, it does lead an interesting setup with him where he had this conversation with Bo, which I It was one of my favorite moments of dialogue in the show in this season so far when he was just talking about respect and honor.

And so I'm like, is this a setup for perhaps season three where he's not going to no longer have a helmet? Or four, because they're going to take off his helmet. I think. I wonder. I think. It just depends on what you believe as far as rumors and stuff. But it seems like he's changing his beliefs a little bit. Yeah, but I just, there's a lot of rumors with the Pedro Pascar at all.

Like he doesn't, he didn't show up to Star Wars. celebration. Oh, yeah. And then he's supposed to. I try not to get into that kind of stuff. Oh, really? But it's relevant to... Someone made a very good point.

There's a lot of smoke. I know. With him not showing up, he's not in it the season at all. Right. I mean, that's not him. And there's a reason that the other two guys are now credited. Serious regulars. Yeah.

And they got the credit for series regulars because they're doing all the work. Yeah. He's in an ADDR booth. So, and he didn't show up. In celebrating. He was not filming last of us right now. No, he was supposed to. Yeah.

So that's... When there's smoke, there's fire. There is. And you can deny it for as long and say, oh, you're just trying to cause drama. It's like, well, something's not right there. Something's off. Something's off.

Yeah. For sure. And I think that if there's a matter of... But either way, it would make sense if the helmet goes off. Maybe that's one of the things that is part of the conversation with him. Maybe it's like he doesn't want to do being the masked all the time. Maybe it's one of these situations where he wants to take the mask off. And if that's the case, then maybe you're right.

Maybe he does come back in season 40 has a stronger role overall. Time will tell, but we are getting into this finale now, and there's a lot of stakes. And the Paz-Visla thing, by the way, at the very end of that, where is it? It's this thing.

This is the beginning of the snow guards, this is the Stoian guards, right? Is it the Praetorian guards? Yeah, yeah. It's like the beginning, the helmets are a little different, but for the most part, it's like, What I loved about this scene, though, but what I loved about this scene was that after he had just wiped out all of those fake Minalorians or whatever, too, the best car armor people, he doesn't stand a chance against them. They murder him.

Let me ask you guys this. Maybe this is a rebels or clone worse things. So the Caminoans did cloning. Yeah. We've seen that that was not successful. Or they got rid of it because they didn't want to do it anymore. They blew it up. So why are they bringing cloning back?

Is it just to bring Palpatine back? Is that the whole reason that cloning is... All these people are for cloning again is to get Palpatine. Bad Batch set up that Palpatine was very interested in the cloning process. To what end, though, aside from building his army? Which was done already. So he can... So he'd be able to create immortality for himself.

For himself? Yeah. Because that's what it seems like inside... They mentioned the program in the beginning there, and it seems like Thrawn is on board with that, and he's the one where Gideon... Gideon's trying to take over the empire for himself. Fidians trying to build all the suffer and take over me and then

Thorn are going to fight I don't even know if he lasts that long I think he'd probably be gone by the time Whether it's this season or You got to, his purpose is served He's got to give you goes to. He's probably going to die and I think because they're going to make Because Thrawn is coming back

We know Thrawn's coming back Now the question is Does he return after Asoka? I happen to think he will I think they're going to set this thing up where Asoka at the end of it Thron's going to return to Basically the heir to the empire

That timeline because the timeline and heir to the empire was after return of the Jedi. And then they brought Thrawn in during rebels. And you're like, oh, well, they're definitely doing different things here because they can't go to the timeline and the continuity. But now that they've actually reached that portion, they could adapt a lot of this Thrawn stuff from the Zon novel. And it seemed from the interview on the red carpet that Faloni gave,

that's exactly what they're going to do. They're going to cherry pick in the way that Marvel did from certain... With their books and comics, yeah, for Civil War and stuff. Now, whether that means Mara Jade or... or stuff, but like even looks like the Ray Stevenson serves as kind of the Dark Jedi that serves in the Zon trilogy. Yeah.

So there's a lot of exciting things happening inside of that, but this episode, it was really about, it was like, it had like a kind of a very dark Empire Strikes Back type of ending where they tried to reset on Mandalore, they try to get their home back, and this guy's just there. And they set up a lot of the stuff that connects to the new trilogy.

Yeah, that's what I really thought this episode accomplished well because I felt my frustration with this season is kind of like I know what the setups are leading to within the Mandalorian but I like that they've added setups that kind of intertwine the movies together because even though a lot

of the planning with the movies weren't our favorites it is starting to be like okay like you're kind of justifying it in a way that I think will leave a better taste in like the younger generation's mouth when they're watching these all in order. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the, like, the Thron stuff is going to be really exciting. I feel like, I hope that

they give him, I think Asoka's going to serve as the backstory that you would need as a viewer who hasn't seen rebels. Yeah. And again, hopefully. We got one episode left. I mean, I'm assuming the Mythesore is going to pop up. I think the Mythesore is going to come back to. Phenic, Shand, with the Rancor. Rancor. Yeah. You think Boba and Phenic and a Rang or popping up next episode. Oh my God. You're out?

I'm out. But why wouldn't that make sense? Why wouldn't they recruit him? Why? They're in war. That celebration, Rick Frammer, we have pretty much confirmed that they were going to wrap up the Bobafet story. Oh, yeah. It makes sense.

He's landlord on Tatouin. Like, I'm at this point, like, and maybe Andor was a bad thing for me because now my bar is set so high. You want more intelligence to work. Like, but there's no. We talked about this after Andor, we go, it's a better written show, but I still love Mandalorian because it's like... It's a soup.

It's just like, the Marshall and this and that. Like, even the side missions still were good. Like the ice planet. Is it too cartoony for you this season? It's not even too cartooning. It's not even too cartooning. It's just, like, we talked about this. We called and talked to each other about this.

Like, the fact that Grogu came back when he did was ridiculous, and I wish they'd all admit, like, yeah, we messed up. Keep my son's name out of your mouth. Can you imagine if he wasn't here? This entire season, and we saw Dinn, a secondary character for the Mandalores, just missing him. Well, speaking of smokers, fire. And you get them returned at the end of season three. I brought up to you that report that I had heard a couple weeks ago about the Favre almost walked off because him and Kennedy were bumping heads.

I didn't hear that. And that the report was that Kennedy was the one who said, we need to put Grogu and then back together. We need you in Boba Fett. And Favre was like, no, that doesn't make sense. fought over it, and he almost walked off and said, you can't be involved, and there was this whole big thing. That makes sense. So we reported, we, not report on that, but we had seen that report,

but we talked about it, and the people were in the comments section, like, we can't believe, that was just some random report. You can't, like, just bring that up. And I'm just, we don't know. Allegedly. We said allegedly. But then the day before Star Wars celebration, Jeff Snyder on Roka's show, brings up, or on their show, on Hot Mike,

brings up, it brings up that Dave Faloney is going to be an tomorrow as a director of a project. And what happens? That's exactly what happens. In that same report, Jeff Snyder, not knowing, I think that his same source, because Snyder is not a Star Wars fan, but he had heard the exact same thing about Favreau and Kathleen Kennedy, from a different source, but the same details. And that, to me, was more telling because I'm like, okay, well, Snyder heard the same thing,

not from that website. And he said nothing invested in it from Star Wars point. but he heard the same thing from a different source, the same details. Looking at it, you 100% know that that was shoehorned in. Yeah. And like,

just to watch Dinn and Grogu's journey, if they were in season three, not together, knowing they got to be back together. And they finally, it, so I think that to me kind of set me off on a bad taste

just going into the season. And so, and Grogu, what's he learning now? He's not learning anything. He's just there. You had him in that moment to where he's now,

he's, the robot carst now. Definitely learning. I'm, but, dude, aren't you more glad that they did that than bringing back IG11, like, for real? Because they would have brought them back to them. Well, that made no sense from the beginning. Like, first episode, I need him because I gotta go check the planet, see if it's safe.

We got a different joy. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna waste 10 minutes of story to go to this guy and say, hey guys, can you get this chip to fix this? Cause I'm gonna go to this planet now. I'm on the planet, I got R4. He tells me it's not fine. Up, didn't need that 20 minutes wasted in there? I mean, you could have.

For what point? I love his car seat. Yeah, I do like, I think the car seat works. Well, you could have done at the very end, though. His Craig, for God's sakes. But to build off of his point, where you could have done, instead of that whole moment up top and spending that time with trying to rebuild IJ. Littl and it's like, hey, listen, I got a, like, they come back to Mandele, the Navarro,

and he's like, I got a gift for him. And it's ID Lipp. Oh, is he, is he back? No, he's not back. We couldn't fix his cells anything, too, but we did create this for Grogo. And it's just, and it's like, oh, okay, you don't need that whole thing in the beginning. But either way, they said. it up I like the idea that because as a parent also walking through that market and the kids

touching everything and it's like I thought that that worked I thought that those moments they didn't play too much on the comedy it was just enough comedy it was accurate comedy so I like I really enjoyed this episode a lot I thought it played into where we're going to go and the overall big picture big picture which I thought was great the setup with again the formation of the first order the cloning aspect of it thron the building into this larger universe and then the news today that came out that we were potentially going to get this movie in 2026 because it's Tartans they already wrote season four so Amanda yeah okay season four is already written now season there'll probably be the either the series it probably be the end of it you would assume

um if now yeah yeah i wouldn't be i would not be opposed if they finally just said you know what we're calling the show the mandolarians because it's not like we set it for two seasons this character's journey and he's taking a back seat on this journey it's like you have a I don't think that's going to be the case forever. I think that's just a setup for this. I think they're going to wind up. It's been seven episodes for this. But I think that that's what this season is.

I think this season was the reformation of the Mandalorians, but I think they're going to... And that's okay. And if that's the way the story was going, great. Right. But just there needed to be a shift of expectations, too. Well, I think they could have done... I like the Boca Tan stuff a lot. Sure.

I like the Calisi element of it all. Sure. But I agree that I think that they could have also balanced out the time on the episodes and also given Din a story. And I think one of the main reasons that they didn't is exactly what you just talked about with Pedro. I don't think he's been very involved in this season. So that's more smoke to the fire. And that's probably why they pushed back on saying, well, there's only so much we're going to be able to do with Latif and Brendan Wayne, you know, developing in how much ADR we're going to be able to do.

So let's just put the focus on Beau here. And then DIN will serve as he serves. But I think I think you have to look into it that it makes sense that Pedro, scholars had just not been that involved in this season. And for me as a fan, it suffered because I grew to love him for two seasons. Yeah, he's not, yeah. And if they made a Bocatan show with her and the night owls and whatnot, I was like, I'm on board. Right.

Because that stuff's awesome. Right. The flying in with the jet packs and the way that they fight with the jet packs, the stunt team on that, these episodes are fantastic. And if that's a show, I'll watch the hell out of it. But no one going in, I'm going Mando, the Western guy, going town to town on missions and building his story and the father and son. even the father and son of what this we fell in love with, it's not there. He just walking around like, it's my kid and he's got a robot now, so I don't even need to carry him anymore and have them with me.

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and then he uses it all, and then it just like shortens out, and it gets all overheated. It's all overheated. And he throws it, and he's just manhandling people. Like, okay, he did it. And then they show up and they just murder him. Was there a reason that, I remember the beginning of the season because they changed voice actors.

It's not Favro anymore, but they thought. Oh, it's enough, Favro? No, it's, oh, God, I don't know his name. He's a stunt guy, though, his actor. So everyone was saying, oh, he's going to take his helmet off the season, because the voice change. Oh, no. Tate, something.

Tate something, his name is. But yeah, he... Some of his lines are so funny. Because they thought he was gonna take his helmet off this season because they changed from Favre doing it. Yeah, I like that, I kind of like the idea that he didn't. Yeah. But I think that they set it up really well and it sets up, they have to...

This last episode has to be the same length, if not longer. If it turns out to be like a 35-minute episode, uh-oh. Yeah. Would you just go, uh-oh? Yeah. I'm just asking you, so what is next episode? What is it? Well, it's got to be them rescuing Dinn.

That's gonna be the main thing. So they're gonna wrap up. Bo's going to go get the Mithosaur. To what end though? And then Boba Fett's going to show up. She's going to ride the Mithosaur. I think so, yeah. I think so.

Like, just sitting on it? The way that, well, remember what they said, that was the whole legend of the Mandalor. Okay, okay, fair enough. And she was the one who saw it. And that's why I don't think the armor is bad. I just don't think they're going to make them to swallow the bad guy. But so you don't think Bobafet and Fenn showing up is just going to be random?

Like, what is going on here? Maybe. But I think that it's pretty much confirmed with when at Star Wars celebration and when Rick family was like, yeah, it's, we're going to tie up the Boba Fett stuff and all this. And it's like, okay, well, clearly. I thought he was tied up. I was wrong then. I guess they were. That's what it seemed like.

He was the landlord of Patrick. No, he's tied up. But there was questions of a season two. And also, like, he has this relationship with Dinn now. So I think that, like, it would make sense for him to come. Okay. All right. Let's talk about some other stuff in the world of Star Wars.

Wars news because this kind of relates to the Mandalorian and everything else. This is the most recent report here. Now, Dave Filoni's movie, which we'll talk about those movies in just a second, the announcement of it and all of that, but Dave Faloni's Star Wars film is reportedly targeting a 2026 release. Asoka's season two will depend on the first season's reception. The Star Wars franchise is getting ready to return to the big screen as Kathleen Kennedy announced over the weekend. This is from our buddy Miguel Fernandez, by the way. Over the weekend in London during Star Wars Celebration, 2023. Three feature films

in active development were announced. One focused on the beginning of the Jedi, a biblical epic director James Mangold, another one bringing back Daisy Ridley as Ray, directed by Charmine Obay Chinoi, and finally a film culminating all the storylines from the Mandalorian and spin-off shows directed by Dave Filoni. Kathleen Kennedy

insisted in an interview with IGN that all the films are pretty far along into development. Not a lot of specifics were given at the convention. And the next spot reserved for Star Wars film is December 19, 2025, which will be the, it looks like the Chinoi film. And according to the Hollywood reporter, Lucasfilm wants to go back to the theaters with the Charmaine-Obey-Chinoi

about film about Ray Skywalker, building the Jedi Order. So putting two and two together, that would make the yet untitled film to be coming out in 2025. We've been speculating this would be the case, but Lucasfilm probably didn't want to commit to a date just yet. Smart. Perhaps more interesting, though, the trade is saying that Lucasfilm would ideally like to see Faloni's film

released in theaters one year later. We are assuming that the new Jedi order film will be in 2025. We could also consider the possibility that it's delayed a few months. Stephen Knight has been working on a rewrite of the script, yada, yada, yada. Assuming that everything goes to plan, Faloni's film could come out in late 2026, and there's a couple of reasons why. First, during the talk with IGN,

Kennedy hinted that the story told by the film will have been six or seven years in the making, counting from the release of the Mandalorian season one in late 2019. puts us right late into 2026. Now, Disney has currently scheduled Avatar 4 to come out in December that year, but a recent comment by James Cameron hinted that his film could be delayed to the following year, paving the way for a Star Wars film to come out in that December. Another interesting detail from said story is that Asoka could get a second season

if the response to the first season is solid. After it premieres this August, that was already hinted at, and Rosario Dawson at the convention, so it's unknown if the trade is simply echoing what she said on stage or adding more value to otherwise throwaway comment. I think that is that it. No, there is actually a lot to take away from this. If true, does this mean there's already a planned arc

for second season? If so, Dave Floney has to be involved. How would that story factor into the Mandalorian movie? A lot of information, but what should we expect from 2024 to 2026? Is Asoka season two going to be fast-tracked? And we'll have to find out. Stay tuned. All right, a lot to unpack here.

Let's start with the... I mean, I definitely think we're gonna get a season two of Asoka, right? So we can just start with the trailer. We've not really talked about the trailer alone. This is your most highly anticipated show. You lost your mind during the show. Yeah, this trailer is awesome. I feel like it encompassed every part of Asoka that we've seen in different entities of the Star Wars shows.

And I think that they like really set it up well. They had enough hype where you're like, we know that the rebels, the entire team is going to be back together. And they showed you just enough. You got that glimpse of ed. Ezra. You got Mary Elizabeth Winston. Yeah, as Harrah. So you got to see the makeup, which I think looked great. And I'm excited. I'm just really excited for the story that they're telling it. It looks like they shot it really well. And I'm glad because I was a little, I really do want it to be Asoka focused, even though I want it to be like how Rebels is, where Asoka like comes in with the team sometimes, but a lot of times she's on her own doing kind of thing.

You think it's all team all the time? I think it's going to be pretty much rebels like that. That's okay too. I love rebels. So let me ask you, Mike, because you are a, you're not a rebels. Not that you're not a fan. You just didn't watch it. You saw this trailer. Yeah.

What did you think? Did it work for you? Were you lost? Were you curious? How did it work? I think this show will be fine for people like me. I think the hardcore rebels fans are going to, it's going to be insider baseball for them. Yeah.

I think 100% seeing people's reactions. Like, I'm on board for Rosario Dawson. Yeah. And what she's brought is the character. Yeah, she looks so cool. Like, I know the character enough, but Rebels, I did watch. That's why I started on far, far away, the podcast. You guys said it was willing Rebels to cover Rebels.

I started with that. So I was into it. I knew it. I just didn't finish it. Like, I know Sabine and all this, but I'm like, that might be the insider baseball show. Right. As opposed to something like Andor. But it needs to be, it needs to be.

It needs, yeah, that's the thing. It needs to be, look, look what they're saying here. It needs to be bigger than Andor. It needs to be, and the reason why. I think they're going on. Like, there's lightsabers galore. There's force galore. There's, by putting it in the unknown regions and putting in like these dark Jedi and, and like

Sith lords, really, it's going to bring, you're going to be able to do more because there's the questions of wall. Where the hell were they during the original trilogy? They're in the unknown regions. And so you're going to have this whole new thing set up that if you do it in a way where you can still go outside of the inside baseball fans who are going to watch rebels, but They can't lose you. Here's the thing.

And I say it's not a Star Wars because I am pretty much involved in big Star Wars fan, but you need those people. Yeah, you need you. Because you don't have, your shows cannot exist on the fandom alone. No. Marvel, DC, Star Wars. Bad batch can. Bad batch can because you're not looking to hit a certain amount of numbers.

You're just looking to hit a smaller number. Right. And the hardcore fans will watch it. Yeah. But if you want a show to be in the zeitgeist, you want to show that you're spending millions and in pop culture. Right. And especially if it's a smaller and.

going to be contingent on building and leading to a big movie. And wondering, like, if they, I don't necessarily, if it all plays into a big movie, then I think it should be irrelevant right now if it's, if it's like, look at Andor, right? Andor, they greenlit two seasons without knowing if it did well or not because it needed to get to Rogue One. Yeah. It's so I don't think it's contingent on how well received it is. But also, this is a fascinating strategy of what they're doing,

because it's different than Marvel, where they built the films two a year slowly, slowly. Then they put the glut of TV shows in this. Like, you watch, you know, mouth the madness or whatever, mystery of madness. You're like, what the hell is? If you didn't watch the stuff, you're lost. So Star Wars is now building all these TV shows. The movies, there are people who see Star Wars movies that don't watch TV shows.

Right. You've got to make it so that they're going into a dead feloni movie. Yeah, they're going to have to. They're going to have to make that palpitable to get a billion dollars. Well, look, there are millions of people who watch these shows as well. And even like the Sex and the City movie was a TV show that took their audience and brought it to a very successful movie. I saw the movie and never watch a show. Right.

So. Okay. But you lost? No. No. Probably not, but not as invested as those other people. But still, I think that you will, I think that if they do it the right way, and look, we've been talking about this very thing on this show for, since we started.

And it's, as much as it would be great to have a movie that ends at all, you know, on Disney Plus, it would be fantastic if they had the series finale in the theater. You've always said that. And they're doing that. And it's like that, and if they can pull it off. And now, Assook it looks great and it does need to be good. I think that they know it's going to be well received. And I do think that Flonny has been putting all of his eggs in his basket.

I don't feel his stamp on Mandalorian season three as much as I felt it on one and two. And I think that it's going to be all invested in this. So speaking of ratings and whatnot, we knew Andor was not going to be as well watched and because of what it was. Mandalorian is hitting numbers lower than that. It's some of the seasons, the series of lowest numbers. And that's its highest rated show. So what is going on?

It's not people review bombing. It's not one episode with Lizzo where they're review bombing. It's the whole season. The numbers of viewership is down. It's interesting. I don't know what did that. It's the same with Marvel, though. I think because there's been backfire after backfire for a while with them.

They've had some strings of. But also Marvel's gone, oh, we need to course correct. We're going to slow things down. We're going to push Marvel's back. We're going to stop pumping them out as much. We got to focus on quality over quantity. So I'm curious. I can't explain why the Mandalorians numbers are down.

One of the reasons, too, is that the first two seasons, and I think you said it before, too, there's not a lot of, there haven't been a lot of water cooler moments for this season like there were in the previous two. And I think that there were, and I don't think that it played as much to the casual audience this season as the previous two.

That's what I'm saying. This is an insider baseball season. And the problem is that even in the insider baseball stuff, a lot of the hardcore fans didn't respond to it in the way that they wanted it to. And I happen to think it's because the development of the show, I think that they went a little bit, they didn't dive deep enough into the character development. It says when they did, it worked.

But either are we going to find out more. There's barely any character work. Right. And I think that Asoka will have that. And then we can just switch to the acolyte because. Were you happy? You happy finally? Is Dave Filoni writing and directing?

He's directing. he didn't say how many episodes he was direct. Bryce Dallas Howard is, is Bryce Tiles Howard? Was she doing, she doing, she doing... No, yeah, she's doing Assoca. I'll look it up right now. Hold on. Or she's doing acolyne.

I'll look it up. I think Assoca. Or Skeleton Crew. She's doing Skeleton Crew. You're right. Which I think is actually great. She's doing Skeleting. Wait, who's doing his movie, though?

Is he directing? He's directing. And who's writing? He is. He's directing. That's what I thought. Yeah, yeah. That's what I meant.

The movie, the episodes themselves. That's interesting. Yeah. But, but, um, I hope he has someone punching up his dialogue a little bit for live action. Could be. Um, but let's see. For, but how do you spell Asoka? A-H-S-O-K-A-A.

But if you go to, it was talking about the acolyne. Now, the answer to the question, I was happy. I was happy with what they, first of all, I was happy with months ago when they announced that it was eight episodes at like 55 minutes apiece. Oh, that's part one. Uh-huh. That got me. Bryce isn't doing any of Ossoca.

She's no, she's not skeleton. So, anyway, so. They, from what they said, because they have a teaser trailer that got leaked, but you really can't, you can't get the gist of it. I tried watching a little bit. And I'm like, I mean, you just can't really get the same feel of it. But from, I think Empire Magazine tweeted out that it had the feel of Andor with lightsabers. And I was like, oh, yeah, I saw that. I'm like, okay, because that's cool.

Then I saw the Leslie Headland interview. And I loved it. I loved her interview. I loved that. She said, Star Wars saved her life. And she's like, she reads all the novels. and she's like really into the lore. And it's like, you had me.

You got me. And then we got confirmation that we were always curiously. We didn't think Disney would have the balls to lead with the perspective of the villains. We thought it would be like, okay, there'd be villains in it, but they're going to follow these two heroes. And they confirmed it's in the perspective of the Sith. It's in the perspective of the evil.

And I'm like, okay, let's see what you got. Like how, I mean, and I'm loving what I'm hearing about it. The reception was really good. the question is when do we get the show? Because they confirmed that Andor Season 2 is going to be in July or August summer of 2020. So there's only two spots then for Akely.

It's either the March-April area or it's in the November-December area. Of 2020? Of 20-24? Because this skeleton crew is either going to come out in November into December or more likely December into January, the way like Boba Fad and other shows

and Mandalorian did the past. When do you think we're getting acling? I think probably in that, the second slot. In the, towards the end of the year? End of 2024. Even though they started filming first over and or, and they're pretty much wrapped. That's the tricky question.

Yeah, that is the tricky question. It kind of, I think it depends on the movie, I guess, and like the place in that. They don't have anything to do with it. Oh, they won't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, right. But I think that it does have everything to do with the skeleton crew.

Right. It depends on when skeleton crew lands. If skeletons and crew comes out in like October, November, closes out the year, then February, March, fractals. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I love that Amanda Lowe was dressed as Padme. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

At the Star Wars celebration. I thought that was so great. Yeah, it was great. They could have worn anything like stylish, whatever, but they were like, no, Star Wars for, or die. Yeah, big fan of it too. So when do you think, Mike? When do you think we're going to get accolite?

Great error. I don't know. You don't know. I don't know. You waited 15 seconds. In acting, it's called a dramatic pause because you didn't know what I was doing. To say nothing. Yeah.

No, I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Here's the thing. I'll say this. It's why we have you on. Shut your mind. Those show little class.

Just announce. There's no way that they don't know when these are coming out. Oh, of course. They've got a plan. out. And I don't know what they're waiting on to tell us, but I appreciate it because then they don't have to like, oh, I'm sorry, we're moving it. We had this day. We're moving it. Look at Osama. We didn't remember because Rosario Dawson said it was come out in fall Osama. And then we had always said, we always said it's got to come out in August from where

it's lining up. And it's coming out in August. I think Rosario just said stuff. And well, if you kind of look at it, it depends on when in August, right? If it comes out late August, that still kind of plays into the fall TV season. And so she, yeah. It's how I like you think March is spring, but it's winter. Right. That's true. And when you say that the summer movie season starts in like April or May, summer doesn't really

And if you don't live in California, I guess fall starts earlier. Right. But either way, it seems to be planned out. And the other thing is skeleton crew. Right. That's going to be the tough one to sell. Why? Well, first of all, it doesn't say.

Kids in space. But, okay, that's part of it. They said stranger things in space. You got your law on it, though. That gets the casual fan there. That gets the potential. when you market it right, but the problem is, very similar to like Bumblebee or these other things. Bumblebee?

What's, if I had to say, hey, you're watching Skelton Crew? You're like, what the hell is that? Yeah. But Bumblebee slapped. I love Bumblebee. But it should have said Transformers. Totally. Totally.

But you had to distance it from what came before it. Yeah, but I mean, a lot of money. I know. You're semantic. But Star Wars is not in the title, and it's just Skeleton Crew. And it's a show that nobody really knows. And there's no recognizable. characters.

So it's going to be a cell. It's going to be a tough sell. I agree because if you just look on Disney Plus, which I feel like they need some algorithm work on how their display is, a lot of shows come out for the Disney Channel, for like specifically Disney Kids. And they look kind of cool. And then you press them and you're like, oh, this is kid kid stuff. Like I'm just not interested, but this is cool for the kids.

I think it will get confused in that. Like if I was a lay person watching. I'd be like, Skeleton crew, this looks like Stargirl. They need big marketing. Or whatever. Not StarGrol, that's DC. But, yeah. Okay, so then if you're just going off that. Asoka.

Everyone knows Asoka. Everyone in the group knows Osoka. Well, there's two things. Don't forget that even though I don't disagree with you at Mandalorian season three has been a little bit more inside. The first two seasons of Mandalorian were like some of the biggest TV shows out there. And season two, the radio. were a lot of casual fans, and Asoka was recognized. It's an alien, too.

A skeleton crews all normal people. Yeah, basics. Yeah, but either way, either way, they're going to have a tough time marketing it, and then, you know, they can probably use the idea, John Watts, director of Noe Home and all the other than it. You throw, totally. Jude Law's face up on a billboard. Absolutely. Every mom.

Start putting him in the trailers and start putting, yeah, I'm just saying it's a little bit of a struggle. But swaggery, charming smile up there. And they're like, I don't know what this crap is, but it's got Jude Law. And what they've said, though, is it seems like he's either a force user or an ex-Jetai or something along the lines. But the trailers played pretty well to the audience here. All the TV stuff played well. And so to rewind into celebration, when we went into it going, okay, because last year, being at Star Wars Celebration, if you're a Star Wars fan, you get drunk on the,

energy and it's like it's just a it's a great place to be overall but when you're looking on it with the press eyes or announcement wise sometimes they drop the ball they dropped the ball in 2016 in london like the people who were there loved it the 2016 announcements they the rogue one stuff they messed up they everything they didn't and they started to get better and they really just focused on the movies because they didn't have a lot of tv stuff and then it started getting better and we we liked a lot of the stuff that they did last year but we were like oh they didn't mess you there's no movie talk there was none of this there was A lot of the stuff that they missed out on,

I thought their announcements were fantastic this year. Yeah, I agree completely. I thought it was fantastic. I was shocked about the movie announcements, like I think everyone else was. Just because they had three, and it felt like an actual plan in terms of past, present, and future Star Wars. It was a timeline plan. Timeline, yeah.

Which is what we didn't expect two things. The timeline plan. The nine. Yeah, the saying the dawn of the Jedi, the old republic, all this. Like this is, when we make movies, this is where it could pop in. I said, that's a great idea because you're not telling us 75 different projects. You're telling us, this is the timeline where these projects could take place. So that was, that was smart.

We all knew that the Obed Chinoi movie was coming, and we heard rumors that Daisy Ridley was coming back. So that wasn't a massive surprise. And some people like, I don't know, I think building the Jedi Reorder and with the team, if they do it right, they could make it work. The Faloni thing had Snyder not reported it on the day before. would have been a big kind of surprisingly, you know that I've been hoping for something like that for a long time, so that was a great announcement.

The mangled thing came out of nowhere, but made all the sense in the world because of Indiana Jones. They loved what they saw. He loved working with them. He's like, yeah, I'll do a Star Wars film. But that's a given. So all that stuff, I said, okay, great announcements, done well.

And I've been saying this on my live streams, but I said I would talk about it on Sith because I wanted to get your point of it. I still think that after all that goodwill, that was announced there, then Kathleen Kennedy starts doing interviews on IGN and took away all that and just became the

typical BS executive spouting out garbage. Like, they asked her about like the Taika Watiti movie. And she said, well, no, it's not necessarily sheltering too. What it is is it. Tyca is the type of director.

He doesn't want anybody else in the room. That comment, I think I sent it to you. Tyca doesn't want anyone in the room, and we're just going to let him do his movie. I understand that. It's like, what are you talking about? What? What you should say in that situation is this. Tyco Watiti is we love everything that he's doing. He's very busy at the moment. We're still working on the movie. We're trying to get, there's no news on it. What we're focusing on right now are the three movies that we just announced. So as of right now, there are other great talents that we want to work with. Tyke is still talking us about

and that's it. Not, he doesn't want anyone else in the room. He's the only one writing it now. So every fear that you had about him and love and thudder doing ours, then you got that too. And we're not going to go in that room and he's just going to sit there forever and work on this thing. So that was a bad. Holy God. That was part one. Part two is then she then says, they ask her a question about like, well, there's been a lot of movies that have been shelved. She's like, oh, movies haven't been shelved.

They're just an active development. That happens all the time. Then why did you say in an announcement to Patty Jenkins come out in a helmet flying around things? Her movie's coming out in 2023. That's an announcement. That's not development. That's an announcement. Tychoa-Ti's movies coming out in 2023.

That is not development. as an announcement. And trust me, because I think I went and got back and forth people online all week. It was like, it was never officially announced.

It was announced. Holy God it was. Both of those movies were announced. They were. And then the Feige thing that she said, she says, she goes, Kevin Feigy was never going to have a movie.

We just kind of disgusted, but he was never going to have a movie. That was something the press made of. His Loki writer said they were making a movie. Yeah, what? And they talked about it. But the people will then go, it was never officially announced that writer.

It's like, shut the hell up. They talk about it. And the writer comes out and goes, I'm writing Star Wars for If it never happened, if it was never in a thing, Kevin Feigey would have shot that thing down four years ago when it was announced. Yeah, like, I'm too busy. I can't be doing that. He's just like, that's not a, that's not a real thing. But then the Loki writer was brought in and there's these other things.

Again, it's just a simple conversation. It's just a simple being authentic and saying inside of that interview when they asked, look, like imagine if you guys would have heard this come out of her mouth, if they would have asked her things, it got shoveled. Look, a lot of times, there are certain things that we wanted to do. some of these things didn't come to fruition for one way or another. We tried to make certain things work. They didn't work. There are some things that we still hope can work, but they're not working right now. We want to focus

on these three projects that we had, plus this timeline that we just announced, and you go, it's pretty honest. Okay, fine. Yeah. Don't start saying, well, that's not really, it's such a BS. Because none of us were there, but I was online all day with that stuff. And once the initial

love was gone, it was, well, you see other comments. if it happens, once I start seeing pictures from this movie, then I'll believe it's... Everyone is in that same camp of, like, we've lost more directors than we've had movies. Okay, they announced three new directors, three new movies. When I see pictures from the set,

then I'll believe it's going to happen. So that's a good way to be. I think it's a guarantee. You think all three of those are happening? I think two out of the three. Okay, that's what I've just said. I go two of the three will happen. Now, the Mangold is all about Indiana Joneso, too.

What's up? It's all about Indiana Jones. If Indiana Jones crushes, then they're probably, they're probably put it. I think 2025 is, 2025 is, is the, the Daisy Ridley movie. First one. 2026 will be the Mandalorian movie. And then 2028 will be the Mangal movie if that happens at all. I'm just saying, if the Daisy Ridley one's the first one out of the bank,

they need to nail that. A hundred percent. Bring back John Boyega, or bust. He will. He'll come back. He'll come back. Give him the paycheck he deserves. And they're lightaber.

They're tight. He should be a Jedi training with her. Well, he would. I mean, you would assume that he finally be able to tell her the secret. Yeah. Yeah, if he doesn't love her, it's the force. Did you see that there was also this, there was a picture going around, and people think it was fake, and I do too, that that Daisy Ridley's pregnant in the movie, a race pregnant. And I said, first of all, they're not filming anything yet.

And if they were, you know, that's the thing that's the leak. I don't know about that. I don't know. I mean, maybe. I think if they wanted to be like, look, the Jedi Council has evolved. They can now have lovers. Right. Then that would be a very...

You've got to get rid of that stupid rule. It's ridiculous. It's like the Catholic Church needs to get rid of that rule too. She's reestablishing it. She's reestablishing it. She's reestablishing in the Jedi order so she can make all the damn rules that she wants to. Right. But either way, I think that what I will say to as much, like, the criticism that I give on that particular interview,

I love the announcements. The TV stuff that they announced was great. The idea and or season two and the excitement that's around that. They didn't start throwing out other projects and all those other things. I thought that Star Wars celebration overall was a massive success.

I agree. I think that Star Wars Visions was a good trailer. I think that the announcement of Tales of the Jedi Season 2. So excited. Great choice. Bad Batch Season 3 was something that I wouldn't have been excited for for a year, but now I really want to see how the story continues. With the finale.

The way that it's been going the past couple of episodes. that they played it was great. So I think that overall, it was a very successful Star Wars celebration. Me too. Yeah, and I think that it was handled really, really well. And as much as like, you know, the thing is too, and I don't think it's fair a lot of the times that when you, all the criticisms, myself included of Kathleen Kennedy when she's running stuff and the things that go wrong, you go, her. Star Wars celebration is also under her watch. It was a successful Star Wars celebration.

The time, the timeline plan and all that stuff, she should also be applauded for that as well. You got to take the bad with the good, though. You have to give her credit. If you're going to criticize, you've got to credit her. It's just a matter of like, I've just been in that studio system before and looking at the, well, what do they need us to say? Put the prompter up. Write that for me. I'll say that.

And it's just played so. Did you see the recent Don Glover thing? Landau. So Landau, he was, like, it doesn't even seem like there's even writers then. He's like, yeah, if the thing comes together and there's a reason for it, then that's something we might look at down the line. And she's like, he's busy and this and that. I was like, you announced that three years ago. But she said it's still happening.

That ain't happening. Again, the standard answer should be, we understand, we appreciate all the excitement for all the projects that we have coming up down the pike. But at the moment, we're really focusing on these three movies, these shows, this timeline, all other things. Which they should do. Absolutely. But like when you add, but the question shouldn't be, oh, everything's undevelopment. I mean, it's to the point of like, hey, if we're sitting there working these movies and so one came into me and they

pitch this movie and it was awesome. We'd listen to them. It doesn't mean we're going to even do it, but you don't turn down good ideas or have people pitch them. But sometimes these things just, once you get further along in the development process, they fall apart. And that's the industry. But it shows that someone in the room went, hey, what if we focus on the timeline?

And she's like, what does that mean? And it's like, well, we do all these time periods. I mean, too, that should have been the main focus because it was such a great idea to say, okay, what she should have said is that, like you said, if someone pitches me a project. If a great filmmaker comes in and a great writer comes in and pitches me a project, and it fits within, they have all these timelines that we just set up. And they come in, they go, well, we want to tell a story in the old republic. And the idea, we just read this Drew Carpeche novel. We want to do this particular thing. And I said, okay, well, what, and we

have this conversation. We're open to hear those conversations because that's what we want to do now. We want to play in our timelines. We're not Marvel. We're not going to do phase one, phase two, phase two, phase four, but we're going to tell stories within our timelines and make that like the agenda is to push that. Not development is this and, oh, Tyka does his own thing and we're okay with that. Well, we're not. We saw Thorloven Thunder.

It's terrible. He's in his really, he doesn't like notes. He doesn't like to be tall with to do. He's like, I can't with you sometimes. I can't with you. You don't love the goats.

Bring the goats to Star Wars. You would know that that's nothing you want. Yeah, I know, I know. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, but I did love and thunder. I agree. The way she handled interviews, she shouldn't do interviews. Some people are meant to do interviews.

Some people aren't what's getting... She's too corporate. She's too corporate and what it is is like, now you're getting caught in what seems like allegedly lies. And then now I feel like you're a politician and that kind of sucks in a creative world. 100%. She does not feel authentic. Yeah, it's like, damn.

It just does not feel authentic. And I think it's a bummer because, like I said, I applaud the announcements. I applaud the strategy behind it because there hasn't been a strategy. And I hope all three of these movies go. Because it's just, like you said, it's just the interviews just don't seem right. Like when you listen to that IGN thing, it's just like, nah, none of that is. Just be like, again, so much more respect. You're just like, look, we took a shot with certain things.

We had an approach. We rethought that. Because the approach wasn't working. So we decided to do this instead and we're heavily focusing in on this timeline. And you go, okay, hey, you're being honest about that. But it's like, it just, it just played like farts. And that's enough, right? That's enough.

And I feel like now we're getting scared as like these big CEOs and executive producers are like, we have to do it all and all at the same time. And it's like, okay, but an entire timeline is good enough. Like just, that's cool. You give yourself an opportunity to say, Hey, we have so-and-so coming in. They have a story that they want to set in the High Republic. Great.

You have so-and-so, they have a story that want to set in the dawn of the Republic. What's the story? It gives filmmakers and writers an opportunity to go, oh, they have a timeline. I can go pitch part of the timeline, which I think is the overall agenda, which I think is brilliant. I do too. It's a really smart idea. I do, too. I have a show that I want to do, and I've read this novel from Legends that you guys did,

and I think it fits really well in the Dawn of the Jedi period, and it could follow Mangold's movie. All right, let me hear it. Bring it, bring it in, to have your agent call, let's set up a meeting. That is a smart way to go about it. But it's like, oh yeah, but there's other movies that play in, they can all still happen. Just call it what it is. It's not, and then same thing. Like, it's inside the timeline. Like, you have to work creatively with everyone too. And everybody's doing their own thing still. So I think it's still, I think they put lipstick on a pig, to be completely honest with you, for now. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, lots to unpack. And I'm sure there's a lot of things that we still didn't get to all the way.

So what do you guys think? I mean, as far as the announcements go, as far as Mandelorian goes, all of it. Leave your comments. Let's have a discussion about it because there's tons to talk about. There's a lot to talk about inside of this. If you agree with us, you disagree with us, go ahead, please do it. And once again, help us get to that $100,000, man. We're almost there where you can do it this year, but we need your help.

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