The Kristian Harloff Show - THE MARVELS SPOILER DISCUSSION!

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

COMEDY: https://www.flapperscomedy.com/shows/... Join Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall, and Coy Jandreau as they dive into an in-depth spoiler discussion on "The Marvels"! In this video, our expert panel will explore the latest installment in the MCU, dissecting the storylines, characters, and connections to the wider Marvel universe. Expect to hear their thoughts on Brie Larson's performance as Captain Marvel, the introduction of Ms. Marvel, and the impact of "The Marvels" on Marvel Phase 5. Don't miss out on their analysis of the "The Marvels" trailer, as well as speculations on what's to come in "Loki Season 2" and the future of the Avengers. With their extensive knowledge of Marvel Studios' productions, Kristian, Winston, and Coy will provide you with a comprehensive and entertaining breakdown of "The Marvels." 

What's up, everybody. Welcome back. Happy Monday. It is the big thing. And this episode is going to be a full-on spoiler-heavy discussion of the Marvels. Just letting you know, we pre-taped it. So I don't know what the box office was. Got no idea. You guys can tell us in the comments. No clue.

But what we will be doing here today is myself, Winston A. Marshall and Coy genre will be doing a special episode as we do every time a big comment book movie comes out. We talk about it on Monday with full spoilers ahead. So if you've seen the movie and you want to get in on the conversation, you've seen it, you're going to enjoy it. If you haven't seen the movie, I recommend not watching it unless you don't care and you just want to know about the movie anyway. We'll get into all of it. We'll talk about the plot. We'll talk about the performances. We'll talk about that big mid credits.

And I think that even though there's something that happens at the very end of this movie, it ultimately is a post-credit scene. We'll discuss that also. So we'll get into it. So thanks for joining us here today. If you're brand new to the channel, hit that button, man. We're on the road to 200. We hope that you can get us there. Speaking of Coy and speaking of Winston,

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All right, let's get to it. It is the big thing. Spoiler of the Marvels. Let's go. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It's a big thing. Spoiler review of the Marvels.

This is myself. Coy, Gondro, Winston A. Marshall, Coy and Winston, all of us. Here we go. So just a disclaimer, you know,

since this movie is three ladies. And, you know, three black folk, one directing two in it. Christian called his one black friend. Hey, that's not fair. You're on the show every week. You're on this show every week.

Hey, wait a minute. I didn't, I just out of nowhere. I go through my Rolodex. There is. There, there. I don't know any black women, so I'll call the one black man. I know he was raised by blackmail.

We'll have on a show for two years just for this moment to feel safe. Not, not because I'm on the back of the condescending. He hasn't been here this whole time. No, certainly not. No, no, we give us crap at all during black pan. Oh, yeah. No, that's going to be great. Well, Kana Forever is totally safe for us to talk about.

It's great. Unbelievable. Anyway, okay, this movie, as I said on Friday's episode, if you were joining us, the way that I think this is going to be an interesting conversation because this movie has been divisive to say the least as far as with critics, which is at the time we're shooting this is around 60% on rotten tomatoes. Now it's now it's not rotten anymore, but it seems like critics are on different sides. And it seems like the audience is pretty positive when you look at the audience scoring rotten tomatoes. So the representation on this show as far as what people are feeling, it does seem like it's, and it's not a versus. It just seems like Koi and I are on the side of didn't love it. But the reason why we have such a great show, the three of us, is because we can rationally have a conversation about what we like.

And you gave your points last week as far as what you liked about it. And I didn't disagree with any of it. You talked mostly about the chemistry alone. I have critiques. Yeah. But if you're asking me how I felt about it, like, I know you said it might have hit your bottom five, potentially. It's nowhere near that. It's, it is, there have been, what, 34 at this point?

Yeah, I mean, I've got shows in the same mix. So it's 45 with shows, 46 with Loki. Okay, so 46 with Loki, it hits in the mid range for me. There are definitely ones that for me are significantly worse than this movie. But again, it's not for. who was the star of it. It has nothing to do with who directed it. It just has to do with the fact that there are some movie elements that just

honest critique could have been done better. Yeah, there's for me, and that's, we share the same critique as far as the writing goes. It's just not a very well-written movie from the get-go. It starts off. And like I said, in my thing on Monday,

or Friday rather, I felt like the beginning was chaotic, but I was still, on board with, okay, this is just the kind of normal Marvel movie. It's fun. The three actresses are having fun together, and it is what it is. But you start about the beginning of the, they want to get you into the idea that, hey, they're all sharing these powers. They're all, you know, breeze out one part of space, Rambo's out one part of space, Ms. Marvel's out at home where we've seen her in the events of the show itself. And then they

kind of, then they go to the volume in the beginning of the movie, where it's the, the, some of the worst, like, you could tell so much when she, when, when, what's the, I don't mean, what's the villain's name? No one knows. No one knows. But you said the volume? What is the volume? That's where they film Star Wars and Marvel stuff.

It's the big backdrop. It was clearly a set. Got it. When, when the, we'll just call her the villain, when the villain finds, um, the, Ronan's hammer, whatever. Sure, sure, sure. She finds the thing. But, yeah, she has the hammer.

But she finds the bracelet. And it looked so, it looked. it looked bad. It looked like Obi-Wan bad, right? Where it was and I was like, oh, man, that doesn't look great. And then they, she finds this thing and that's, I guess, you don't really explain kind of why right away, right? And then

the powers connect and they start leaping back and forth. And there was just, but the positive is it ain't boring. It's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you're in it. So the one thing I want to talk immediately up top before we get into the finer points. I want to, I love the, uh, I love the,

What did somebody call it a compliment sandwich? You give it something good. You talk about something that could have used some work, and then you end with something good, right? Sure. So for me, I think the thing that has not been talked about nearly enough in this film, the fight choreography is brilliant. Like, especially when you may feel differently about that,

but I think about that first scene, and they teased and released that out of the first big scene. The first scene of the living room thing, when they kind of jumping back and the living room and the space elevator. Oh, yeah, those are great. The fight choreography as far as that stuff goes and the idea in general of once they start to figure out their powers now, so it's not as accidental and all that and they start getting coordinated, I think all of that was done exceptionally well for me. That opening scene, especially the goofiness of like the family trying to fight the Cree and then like, you know, enough of it being like, I'm not going to let you kill that person. And then like, oh my God, the annihilator.

But then like here comes Ms. Marlowe. It's fun. And what was brilliant about that is if the idea for them is that their powers causing them to constantly switch was creating chaos for them. It created chaos for us. We're just like, oh my God. So it did. But my issue with that is again, back to the writing, boy, right? Because I feel you could have done that exact sequence.

Give me like 10 minutes leading up to that. Give me up top, 10 minutes. Give me a little bit more of what Ms. Marvel is doing. give me a little bit more of the relationship with Rambo and Carol. Give me a little bit more with Fury. Build a little bit. But that fight in particular,

remember, was right as all of their powers got in tandem. I know, I know, but I'm saying. But they could have had, like, opening scenes with characters. Like,

I would have loved to have felt any emotional way for anyone. Right. Because, so, like, I, for me, I always describe as, like, a punch landing twice

when you care about both characters, right? Like, one of the things I always talk about as Daredevil because you care about Kingpin against all odds and Daredevil. So when that fight happens, the weight of those punches, not because it's rated R, not because the blood, but it's the characters

that you care about. I personally loved Miss Marvel. I personally love Carol Danvers in the comics, and I personally really, really was excited to see what Spectrum slash photon slash Captain Marvel, Monica Rembo became. Yeah, because like in Wanda Vision, we didn't really get to the point where she had like the power. She had just gotten activated. So I was like, oh, what a great origin story by using a show to build the Captain

Marvel. Because in the comics, she's Captain Marvel 30 years before Carol Danvers ever is. Amazing Spider-Man, Annual 16, comes out 30 years where Carol Danvers ever gets the title. So I was like, yeah, we're gonna have like The Marvels. But then the movie opens, and it's like, hope you already like them, because we're the Marvels. And I wanted

to... Let them form a little bit. Yeah, and I also, because then the fights that are well choreograph have weight, as opposed to this is shiny. And I think, compliment sandwich, I will say, the chemistry, whenever they actually slow down enough to let them talk is beautiful.

The way they build their relationship is really charming. I love to see Amman Volani like gushing over Carol. And I loved that Monica is able to be both proud and upset. Because this is a spoiler talk. By the time they get to the payoff of, oh my God, you abandoned all of us. Why did you do that? I don't feel like that didn't feel anything. And then they cut back to forgiveness. There's one scene of, you abandoned me. And the next scene, she's like, but we're family. But you know what emotional moment did work with them, but it feels like it got abandoned eventually because they didn't play off it enough

was when they were going through the memories. Yeah. And when you go into a recap, which was if you were watching, if you've seen all this stuff like we have, it's just kind of like, oh, remember all that stuff. But I think it was relevant to an audience

who was finding it for the first time. Sure. To them, they probably didn't even know necessarily it was. They thought it was shot for the film. But that moment of don't ever do that again. I was like, oh, where are they going to go with this? I don't know, like, go anywhere with it.

That's what I mean by, like, emotional weight, is they kept setting up stuff. If you think about it from a script perspective, not the writing, but the story, I love the idea of the annihilator beating a slow build. So why do they call her that? And then finding out, like, Carol Danvers is one of the most overpowered.

Like, she's OPEs. Like, she has so much power in the Marvel universe. Using that as a negative. That's why I like Superman. Superman is his kryptonite isn't just kryptonite. It's the idea that he can't save everyone. I'm like, oh, that's genius. What if Carol was doing the right thing?

And it went the wrong way. I didn't feel any of that weight. And then the payoff of that is, uh, we lose Monica. and the whole thing is like, why don't you just like create life instead of destroying it, become not an annihilator, start the sun up. And she's like, okay. And then she just does it.

And it's like, that was 30 seconds. The whole movie just rushed. It's also a conversation they could have had a couple years ago. Perhaps. Well, to that point, I will give you that. I'm not worried about that. But like, even what y'all were saying about give me more emotional weight at the beginning in order to have that first fight, I disagree with you. And the reason why I disagree is because if you actually look at the timing of it,

you're about 12 to 13 minutes into the film when that first fight breaks out in the living room slash the space station slash the Cree fortress, whatever that was, right? On top of the fact that, yes, I understand this is the first film with the three of them together. This is technically a sequel, in which case we already do have connections. And they do spend enough time for those that have not seen this stuff to still get a basic introduction as to what it is. So like, for example, Kristen, my girlfriend who I took to this, who really enjoyed the film. She had a problem with the villain. She actually said that very quickly at the end of it. She did have a problem with the villain. I've been telling her she needs to watch Miss Marvel.

She's been getting too busy to do it. By the time the movie was over, she was like, I have to see it immediately. But that opening comic sequence of her daydreaming of her fighting with Captain Marvel and fighting the robot and all that, she goes, I know exactly who this girl is now. Great. You're going to get more later, but like you got enough to go, okay, this is what it is. The fight happens. And again, their powers being entangled is supposed to be chaotic. So the idea that we have not necessarily figured out what's going on yet when that first chaos happens, that actually makes logical sense to me and I think it works. I agree with that. But then when you're talking about, okay, we've done the dream sequence, the memory sequence, and we don't really address it. I agree with you where it's like we could have got more out of that.

You know what I mean? I look too much into one rant. What I'm saying is from the beginning, the chaos works, but then it stayed chaotic when it no longer served the narrative. It went from like this is characters we've met and I wish there was more ways. Sure. And I get why that wasn't because you're right. Structure-wise. But by the end, I didn't feel like it ever slowed down enough that the chaos felt like,

oh, we've built to something. Let's have a moment with us. I still think I agree with the fact that when the chaos happens, it makes sense because they're not supposed to be knowing what the hell is going on. So we should. I agree with that. I do think, I respectfully disagree with you that I think that the beginning, yes, you'll know who she is from that dream sequence, right?

but we still, as you said, it's a sequel to a movie called Captain Marvel. So give me more with Bree up top. Give me a little bit more with the Rambo stuff. Give me a little bit more of it to lead to that chaotic stuff. Because when you lead to that, as you get into it, because as you said, it's 12, 13 minutes into it,

well, do me a favor. Cut that stupid dance thing out of there. Get rid of that music thing. It's a bit. And for anybody who said, well, I like that. It was fun. It served nothing. It served nothing.

only thing that I would say about that and I understand where I think the the inspiration for that was, I had mixed feelings about it on the one hand because you've got Miss Marvel in there. It's the idea of kind of bringing a Bollywood element to it. That doesn't bother me. However, there was this weird Disneyfication of the whole thing where all of a sudden like Bree is just in like a princess dress and like all that kind of stuff. And that that kind of threw me off a little bit. It was a bit.

It was like, it's like, yes, I understand the reference to Bollywood and all that, but it's like, you're going like, hey, wouldn't it be great if the whole planet was singing? I heard. I heard from a pretty credible source. That original bit was 19 minutes long. Yeah, that's too much. Oh, my God. 19 minutes long. That's too much.

That's one of the big cuts. Like, in the test screenings, when they have it, a lot of people did not like it. That's what I'm talking about when I would have much rather had five to ten minutes up top of setting up our story. our characters because as I said, all of that stuff leading up to it, I was like, this is fine. I don't know what people are talking about. And then when we got to, I'm like, whoa, I was sitting next to Frank Janish, Winston, I looked

and I go, what? Yeah. It was, well, then thunder all over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't forgive everything for just being a sequel, because like Winter Soldier is a sequel, but it still reestablishes Captain America. Right. And individual movies need to stand on their own as well as being part of this great universe, because I, I remember

distinctly thinking when Carol was talking about her ship and how lonely it's been and how she's not used to having people on it. I was like, would have felt like Carol's been on that ship. Because it feels like we just haven't had Carol. It's like we met Carol. We've seen her. She's been a hologram. I want to be invested in Brie Larson because like she's so good in room. She's so good in Scott Pilgrim. And I kept saying the whole thing I wanted out of the Marvel's was, I think Nia da Casa is such a visually inventive director. And we got a lot of that. And when it let Nia Dacasa direct it, there's so many sequences. I was like, man, look at the camera movements.

Look at the choices. And then the charm she got out of these actresses, all working together. That's why, like, to me, I, I have gotten so much crap because I've said, like, I don't blame the actresses and I don't blame Nia Dacosta. Everybody's like, well, Nia Acosta, you know, helped write it as well as like she deserves some of the blame. It's not blame. It's a committee edit and a committee story that makes the thing that Nia, Bree, Amon,

and Tiona wanted to make feel like it's something that got put in a blender and they added whatever ingredients. And then the thing that came out wasn't what I put in the blender. And it doesn't feel like a meal. It feels like you get. gave me an idea salad. But I want to hear that from Nia Costa as well, because that very well might be the case, because there are times that we've, like, you look at whether it's like David A.

or there's a ton of different directors in the past, like, I wanted to do something. This is what I wanted to do. And I was pushed to do this. And it very well might be exactly. That's what it feels like. And I might be wrong. Look at Gavin Hood, right, who did X-Men, one of the worst X-Men movies was the-Sman Origins Wolverine.

Is that him? Yeah. Yeah. And he did, that's the one he did. I'm pretty sure. And he was, and he did a movie called Satsi, which was fantastic. And he was bullied by the studio. He was bullied by Fox. Like made a movie he just did not.

And that came out. And he said it as much too. And if that is indeed the case, which is possible, then because I think that one of the things of what I said about it was the reason why is what they did to her that I didn't, what they did to need of the Costa, which I don't love at all, is that, hey, movie's coming out now. Not just kidding. It's got to come out now. We're going to move Antman over here. got a movie here. And then she goes,

well, that's fine. But if it's going to move again, I've got this other movie I come in. So this is why I gave enough pushback on the variety article because I was like, guys, the idea that, oh, like say what you will about the film,

whether you thought it was good or bad, this idea that she just abandoned ship on. That's not what happened. The fact that we, the schedules between COVID and between the strikes and between everything, kept shifting things around. The Ant-Man. shift. The Ant Man shift, you literally have

in these, for those that are not familiar with the industry, when you set up these contracts, because studios, because products are aware of the fact that when you're setting up one, you've already got two going, there's something known as first position, second position. And to that point, this was first position up to a point. And then at that point, she has contractual obligations to move on. And it doesn't mean that she's not still doing what she needs to do for the film. But, that does mean that she has to then physically be somewhere else. Right.

Well, the flip side did that too, and I agree with all of that. The flip side is we don't know how, I mean, as far as the script goes, it's one of my biggest issues. And she did, because I did say at the end, because I said to, as I was walking out with Roxy, and I was like, yeah, I don't really blame Neander for this movie. I said, who wrote this? And Roxy goes, Neeta Kahn. One of three. She was one of three writers. And I was like, I can't say that I don't have a problem with the writing.

I do. Yeah, a huge problem with the writing. But I don't, but I want to know what the original idea was. What's the plot? What's the plot? What's the idea? Like, everything happens so conveniently that, like, there isn't a logical arc that they had a goal of. They just pivot according to what's happening, which, yes, is life, but it's not storytelling. Like, at no point was there an objective that felt reasonable. And there were so many moments where they made the illogical choice. I don't know. Like, and it just felt so like things were happening at me, not like I was in a movie. Yeah. Now, I wanted to relay some messages from Kristen. She doesn't like being on camera at all, but she had thoughts. And there was. some things that she wanted me to impart because she knew I was doing this. What she said was done very well was there were moments of just them being girls that really clicked. So, for example, when, you know, oh, my God, Monica Rambo is kind of having her meltdown moment and she's not doing okay.

Where you just see him on immediately glom onto her and just like, oh, my God. And then she's like, bring your asshole, Carol. And like, so moments like that. She even said what was funny to her is when they were like, girl, we can fix your planet. You don't have to kill everybody. It's fine. She goes, that is also a very real thing for a girl to be so mad that she would still be petty. So as soon as you took the thing off, she's like, I'll still kill you.

Like these little moments like that, even the black girl magic thing that was more of it. Like Kristen's not black, but that was like a tip to like something that black people would say in that. Girl, girl, you better use that black girl magic. Like those little things there, I think those were just done. very, Kristen said, were done very, very well as far as,

like for the ladies where you would connect to the moments in the thing, like the double dutching and all, you know? So that's,

I'm glad you brought her points up because I think that is, that's my whole thing. There are moments in this movie. I agree with all those points. I agree with all of those points. I think that that's what made, because we all agreed that

and said that in the beginning of the show that the chemistry worked. And those moments added to that chemistry. So that was there. I said to, again, Frank Janice. I looked at him and I said, well, there was a movie in there. It was in there.

And those moments prove that. As we're talking about what the hell the plot was, I know that you're more of a lethal weapon guy than a diehard guy. Which I can't, I love lethal weapon, but I still think you're crazy. Whoa. For real? This holiday season.

I've seen all the diehards. I haven't seen the lethal weapons. I haven't seen the lethal weapons. Let's do a die-hards. Let's do the die-hards. Let's do three of us. Okay. Maybe we'll do that. But besides that. I'm more excited about that that anything Marvel put out ever this moment right now. But let me say this though, because I bring up Diehard for a reason.

I think that one of the things that could have worked for this as far as the villain goes. Because if I say what's the plot and I guess of course it was a plot. She was very mad at Captain Marvel because Captain Marvel blew up the planet. So she was going to take everything out and she was running

around the place, blowing up other things and taking water. There was a full water planet. Take some of the water, take off. And then there's some other things that she was doing and that was it. She was just She was mad, so she was taking, lame plot, as opposed to make me think that was the plot a la Hans Gruber. Yeah, yeah, we're right. We're just holding this place hostage. That's what we're doing.

Yeah, yeah. Like, there's a bigger thing that she's doing. Like, I'm making you think that I'm doing that, but I'm really doing this. And then we find out what this is, that would have been more intriguing. I'm not saying that, like, her planet being in turmoil wasn't enough. but if there had been not just a, I came to fight Captain Marvel, she said, bam, bam, and I, like, fell to the ground.

If it had been a situation where, like, she tried to reason with her. If it had been a situation where, like, she agreed with Captain Marvel and she lost a limb. If it had been a situation where, like, for that villain, she's actually on the same page as the Supreme Intelligence is whack

and was actually holding everybody back, but instead of Carol listening, that she was just in full rage mode, if there had been some sort of thing where it was like, dude, calm down and she just does away with her regardless. I think that would have been the one little thing that needed to be done to have a little more emotional weight versus she ran down the hall. She happened to be the random guard. Like it felt it felt like Austin Powers where it was like you kick the random guard into this. I told someone I referenced and it's going to be exhausting dealing with it.

But like I referenced it felt like an SNL skit at times. And one of those moments was that like the rocks falling on or like Austin Powers skid. But also, like, I think the musical planet, though some people might enjoy it, I do think it invalidates a lot of the feelings of tension in a way that you can't really come back from. And I understand Bollywood's able to do it, but I think Bollywood is, they have mastered it. Like, there's a certain skill set. Whereas, like, this movie didn't feel like it had mastered it to the point where I remember it's maybe three minutes. And I watched it with Greg. And I looked over at Greg, and I never talk in movies.

I'm, like, so angry people talking movies. And I literally was like, I don't know what to do with my body. I'm so uncomfortable. I said, how loud to Greg? Because I'm just like, this is agonizing to experience. And I don't know if I felt like that in a movie. And I'm glad there are- Especially a Marvel movie.

But I'm glad there are people that are enjoying it. And I want those people to see it. And I want people to have this movie that's for them. But this is the first time. I remember when Age of Ultron came out and they put Pinocchio in the trailer. And it was the string song, which is a great narrative for Ultron. Like, it actually works. But it would be like, oh, the Disneyification.

This is the first time I was like, oh, no, they made a Disney Marvel movie. You know what would have probably made it work a little better? I do think the joke about the Prince being bilingual was like, that's how you kind of can button that, right? As far as that goes, but I think what should have been a better, would have been a better sort of situation. Because, again, another point that Kristen brought up as far as she was like, she's like, I like the Bollywood elements. If it had been any time you go to this planet, that's how they welcome people. And then that's just it is that you get one big number. And then not everybody's singing all the time when you're walking around.

I think you could have potentially made it seem like it was that. Maybe they were setting up that whole musical number to welcome if the Cree were coming because they were going to try and negotiate peace or something. A song or something. Like if they if they sang like a song, if there was like a thing. And obviously the first thing comes in my mind and it's a different thing like in Hunger Games. And the first and I think apparently in the new one, they show you the origin of that story, that song that Katness sings, right? it's like a one song that she sings it's not a musical it's a song that she sings if it was a song that these people sang to someone when they came to the planet right and you're like you can't

talk through the song right fine but it turned into a musical right it took the seriousness out of it now i did like the idea again harkening back to the idea of there's a movie in there like if if carol danvers got married that was that that to me and so Kristen brought that up and she goes that is actually really interesting especially if you're with your girls being like Girl, okay, look. Yeah. We're going to have to go talk to Bob real quick. Don't ask no questions about Bob.

It's a thing. It's funny. It's invented. But that's the bit. Take the singing out of it. Take the, because I'm telling you, sitting around like, what if we did a musical? We could do a musical. And then they made it if the rumor was true that they made this a 15, 20 minute bit.

And that being said, I can't wait for Joker the musical because narratively, that's going to, I think I haven't seen it, is going to serve the movie. This didn't feel like it served anything. Because it's in track of his head. Right. I assume. But also, like, it. The visuals didn't help because it was shot in such a bright, obvious set that it looked like it was Power Rangers with Puddy behind them. Like those like Power Rangers guys that were like the princes.

It didn't seem real. It didn't seem real. It didn't seem like a bit. It's ironic because we were kind of iffy about this movie in the first place. But you know who actually did the, okay, don't ask no questions about this dude that I happened to date at one point was quantum mania. Because that's exactly what happened with Janet. that Janet had been with Bill Murray that whole time. They did it twice.

So they essentially recycled a bit twice in a year. In a year. Which is interesting. It's just not good writing. And maybe not overseeing a script and going like, wait, that thing pops up twice. But I think the movie itself, if it had a few more rewrites, not a few more reshoots, if the movie had a little bit more like 10, 15 minutes more meat in the bone. Because you can allow for a movie to have silly moments if you're caring about

the characters. And I didn't like that my holdover caring about Amon Valani and caring about Miss Marvel was my main through line. She's great, by the way. She's incredible. But I kept going, okay, I'm focused on her. I wanted to be focused on everybody. I wanted to feel for everybody, but I just loved Miss Marvel

enough that I was like, okay, my anchor is one character. I wanted three anchors. You kept saying that there were two bits that got you. What was the second one? We'll get into that in a second because what I will say is that if you're going to do two bits, Why? Do one. If you're going to do a big comedy bit, do one if it serves the story. And the second bit served the story a little bit more, even though I didn't like it. The first one, we'll talk about it in a second because this all get me really hungry, and I think about Green Chef. Green Chef is fantastic. I love Green Chef. I've been talking about Green Chef forever. I'll tell you a little bit more about Green Chef right now. Here you go. I love talking about Green Chef. You guys know I do. And I'm going to talk about it even more. It's Thanksgiving time, baby. You got to eat clean all holiday,

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Visit Skyrizzi.com or call 1-866 Skyrizzi to learn more. You asked me before we went to the break. What was the second bit? The cats. cats and the music over the cats. Playing cats. But again, it played like a bit. And then they start setting up the stuff with the pods.

Like out of nowhere. And it's like, oh, look at that pink thing just sitting around. Why is that? Out of nowhere. And it was like, oh, it's a little weird. It's like, well, why is that there? It'll pay off when we do our big bit in a little bit. And it's like it was just poorly.

Set that up in the beginning. Set that up in the beginning. If you're going to do that in general. And then like the thing, like they really, we need to overmarket this cat. Yeah. Because the cat's like eating people and running around. And Goose was so fun in the first movie. And I liked when she was flying with Goose, like all that stuff worked.

But as soon as they made it a bit, it invalidated even Goose. You know what would have probably set that up better, knowing that like dogs, cats, animals in general end up in like heat or anything like that or obviously change a little bit once they're actually pregnant and stuff like that. Because Goose clearly laid all those eggs. all over the space station. Yeah. If when with Carol started showing some of those signs where you would see a cat in heat like that or just in general, goose, why are you acting so weird? Well, it eating all that extra, I felt like was that.

It acting weird. Yeah, that was a very, it wasn't enough. It wasn't linear. And then, I don't know, something about like the third act once they got into the big fight and then the cosmic element where she, the villain dies and disintegrates and goes away. And then there's supposed to be this like palpable tension. I feel like we hadn't gotten enough like.

time between her dying and her flying out. Like, nothing felt like it had that, that tenseness that would have come from, what's this mystery? What's this? If the movie had even established that side mystery, the movie would have had a little bit more of that,

like, like, I got to Monica's sacrifice. It felt like, oh, I've been tense at any point in this movie. Yeah. So there were some random questions

that popped into my head at the end there. And I'll be honest, the only parts that really threw me off is that if it wasn't even making logic comic book sense that I started to get like a little, unnerved. So at the end where they're like, okay, we've given you your second bangle now. I'm like, oh, she's got both bangles. Great.

It's going to, whatever, whatever. But then all of a sudden, A, when she takes the bangles off, she can still use her powers. And I was like, okay, if that's the case, then she's evolved. She doesn't need them anymore. And she's a mutant, so maybe she doesn't. So maybe she doesn't. That's what I read out of it. Yeah. But she

had to put it back on and was still using it. And then I was also confused as to why she didn't then have both. Like why now all of a sudden you're still only giving her the one where they were clearly a set and meant to go to her in the first place. And she gave Carol the other one and they didn't, they didn't, and maybe it's like a bond, but I wish that was like a... But even say that. If you would like, again, like, that's hard to pull off the reshoots with the strike and everything when you consider that.

I'm bringing up Taylor Swift again. The fact that this time on her whole thing. Strike was way before this, dude. No, no, no. I'm saying they couldn't have necessarily done reshoots then because of the strike. Reshoots would have been done way before the, this is supposed, this was originally supposed to come out a little earlier. And then the reshoots, they did do all the reshoots. and then that's why they did the editing.

This was done before the strikes even happened. Before both strikes? Okay, I only say that to say Taylor has this whole thing. Again, I know because my girlfriend has a huge Taylor Swift fan about the friendship braces. It's something that was very famous about her tour. If you would even have one little line, be like, here's your other brace. She goes, no, no, no, it's my friendship bracelet.

You can keep it. That way we're bonded forever. She's clearly now good friends with her. But if you still saw that little moment of like, no, I want you to have like that. There were moments. Those were the moments. that in this movie when they did those and they led with her. She served to me like what

Tom Holland served in the like Avengers In the comics Miss Marvel is very much a Silver Age Spider-Man character. And she does it so well. She was great. She will be and should be obviously. We'll talk about one of the other scenes in a second about she should be a major part because she

anybody who's seeing this movie, people who didn't like it and people who loved it are all saying the same thing. She is she's brilliant. She's so damn likable. And that like those moments And the stuff with the family worked again to what I had said, though, and I still stand by this even more. So I understand why they didn't because they're trying to get that money. And they're trying to this to me would have been a much better Miss Marvel season two.

Expand this from being an hour and 44 minute movie to then, you know, let's say a five or six part. Because then to me, then maybe that plays a little bit more, right? And you give it more time to set it up. And you had all the more time of stuff connecting them like we've won. Like I think we all universally agree we could have used a few more minutes here and there. And a show would have allowed a lot more breathing. I wanted to care a lot. Yeah.

No, I guess that was the thing. I've always kind of been that way, I guess, about movies. It is not to say that plots aren't important, but I so check in specifically to character-driven character chemistry moments like those. I find myself doing a lot of scene study when I'm watching it just based off of where my mind goes. So, for example, I had massive problems with secret invasion, but the moments that would save it for me are Samuel, is Nick Fury talking to his wife. And that being a masterclass in acting,

watching the two of them interact with each other. And even though we've never seen them, I feel the bond between the two of them. The rest of the episode sucks, but that five minutes, I'm fully jacked in. I think that's where it leaves enough of a positive stamp on me, is that those moments are strong in, enough that I'm there.

I just, I agree with you what I wish that they had flushed them out a little bit more. You know, you mentioned secret invasion and like I said,

I've seen, I think it's the only Marvel thing that I haven't finished. I watched two episodes and I didn't mind them. And the first two are the best. I know. It dips.

Because I remember liking the first two a lot. I know you did. I bailed on it. So from what I'm reading and maybe you guys know this or don't know this, a bunch of people said that

this movie essentially negates all the stuff that happened in that? It invalidates a lot. It invalidates a lot of the scroll stakes. It invalidates a lot of the stakes with Carol Danvers. If you really look at the abstract, it kind of like undermines, not builds.

And a lot of people got mad at me because my short review was, as soon as I got out of the movie, I told Greg. And then in the beginning of my review, I said, this isn't what Marvel needs right now. And it's because the main thing that conversations about Marvel are always going to be is interconnectivity. Everyone wants that like, of like, what's next, what's next, what's next? personally I think Marvel is best when it's good individually and builds I think if you can have a slice of pizza that's delicious oh man I'm excited for this whole pizza but if that individual slice isn't good I'm not going to keep eating the pizza I think this slice was I don't like anchovies I think this slice was the half anchovies slice and they sprinkled too much of my slice the pizza and it invalidated a lot of the pizza and I don't like anechozy I don't like an chival as it also ties into my blender metaphor if you put

one ingredient in the blender, everything else is good. You gotta know how to blend it. You gotta have the right sensors. You gotta get like a ninja. Can I ask you the question? What parts are you saying were invalidated from secret? NICUry went from being a broken man to jolly without any explanation. Like he literally left, spoilers kind of.

I don't care. Okay. I figured I just wanted to say it. He left the end of secret invasion. That man is a war torn, struggled through everything, has the weight of the world on his shoulders. We live through him getting more weight. on her shoulders, and then goes back to space, and then in space, he's like, I'm going to make a lot of jokes and do of, like, cat jokes.

There's no weight. This is my favorite Nick Fury impression of this whole movie. That's like what he, and that doesn't feel like the Nick Fury espionage, James Bond, like. But if you also remember the end of that, he was, he was done. And the only thing that he left to do with his wife is they were actually go, the Cree called and said they are trying to negotiate peace. And so they then kind of transitioned.

The only thing that was weird to me is that Nick was not then at the proceedings that ended up happening between the Creole. Because that's where he was going. That was weird. That I can agree that that did not connect because if that was supposed to be what he just left to do. And then he acts like a different character. Like to also is the personification of Nick Fury felt more like a Saturday morning cartoon. Does it jump back into what we've complained about with like Dr. Strange? Well, they're not watching the movies.

They're not watching the TV. They're not collaborating. I'm celebrating anymore. And in that way, Carol Danvers was better. In that way, I like this Carol Danvers. Because I felt like Brie Larson was actually playing the character, not playing. You know, because the first movie, my big issue with the first movie was, the sets looked cheap.

The mustache twirling Jude Law was clearly the villains to the twist was like, why are we here? But Carol Danvers felt like five different people's perspective on her. It felt like the writer had one take. The director's had one take. Bree had one take. This felt like they all knew who Carol was. And it was amazing to see her get to be. But that also was like, well, what explains Carol one to Carol two?

The other thing I will say, though, and this is, I had mentioned on Friday that I had only one thing, and it's not a beef with Bree at all. It's just something that I could sense. I was feeling it. When she was with the girls, she clearly was having a great time because the three of them really do seem like they get along and they're really. And there's a few interviews since the strike have come out that were previously recorded that are just now coming out where it's clear they all really like each other a lot. there were moments at times though that I could see that the weight of everything that this role has brought to Bree

clearly was sitting on her shoulders and she was putting more emphasis into this carol and she was having a good time because of the ladies but it definitely also felt like she was a little over it at times I didn't read that only because it just felt like sometimes there were moments where I'm like

I would have accepted even with her being a badass even with her being like really where she would have been even more emotional and I know that Bree can do that. But that, I think that is less of a Bree thing and that's more of a need of Costa thing and that's this part of it.

So we set up the relationship between Monica and Carol is to me could have been because when the moments are there again, they were but we're getting to this whole thing of how they, that she wanted to be there for all this and then there's this moment

where Monica goes out into space and she's like, well, these universes are collapsing on to ours, and I've got to save this thing. And it looks like she's going to sacrifice herself. And Carol gets really emotional, goes, no. And she zips out there, and you're like, well, this is going to be, I'm going to feel this. I can feel that I'm going, because in my, when I was watching,

I'm going, okay, they might really get me emotionally here. And she flies out there and she goes, and she can't. She goes like, no. And then she goes back to Ms. Marvel. And she just goes, she should have broken down that should have been her moment and I guess that's what I mean

it's little moments like that and like you said if that's more of a directing thing then I'll give I'll I can see that if you're directing that movie and you see Bree Larson do that that's where room Brie Larson needs to come out and you let her just go

yes you take her on you go I want boom boom boom and you have her have that moment where again where Kamala has to just comfort her and she breaks down she goes down on her knees because of how big this is Then they're in the plane at the end.

Then it's the, then it's, well, no, but see, then that what would have done with that, honestly, is then when you end up back in the plane and, like, until we find her. Right, right. Then you end up with, you know, it's not that Kamala all of a sudden is the new lieutenant trouble, but there's this weird thing where I may have lost my time with my niece. Yeah. But I have started to form this other bar with this young lady. Who is now my surrogate, like this is family. And family is what I wanted to feel the whole time. And I felt it in like three beautiful scenes.

Like I had moments where I was like, this is it. And then it would drift because I think the chaotic chaos. I really think, but I really do think, though, in the same way, though, in the same way that I felt like in Asoka for a quick, there's a moment in Osoka for a quick, there's a moment. They haven't seen each other in a while. And it's kind of like, hey, what's going to? And it's like the whole thing was this buildup and it could change your perspective on a scene. I think that even after the silly singing and all the dumb cats and all that stuff that. that at that moment would have made me feel the way that I should have felt.

I would be like, okay, emotionally they got me there. And I'm like, because I think you nailed it just now. It's like, yeah, because if she felt that way and then they were in the plane, I'll tell you, I was telling us, I don't know if the person wants to actually be, wants me to say their name, but had a hilarious point. Was it like, and then the idea, where, were they in Louisiana? Well, okay, wait, you're about to say what I was going to say. You can say it.

I don't know, I don't know what we were going to say, but what I was thinking to myself, I was like, so wait a minute. Her family lives in Jersey City, right? Yeah. And all of a sudden, if you've destroyed their house, we're not going to fix your house. We got, we got the government. We're going to move this family from Jersey. A, a, a, a Pakistani family.

To Louisiana. And it's from Jersey. I don't know that there's a mosque in Louisiana. But I'm not sure they'll get to celebrate their religion. There might be. There might be. But just picking up and going, it's like, no, no. We'll just move you here.

Use your superpowers. And build me a house in Jersey. Because it's where I live. You have saber. You have saber. You have saber. You find the money and you rebuild my god. No, I know that house.

That's an important part of Miss Marvel. She is the savior of Jersey City. Like Jersey City to Miss Marvel is like Spider-Man to New York. You're like, house is broken. And they just move her. Bro, can you imagine if Infinity War happens? I'm so sorry. We don't effed up Wakanda.

Here's Atlanta. You can just have Atlanta now. That'll be Wakanda from now on. It's insane. It was so silly. That's the right. though. Bad writing.

Because it made, it made sense, at least with Asgard because of how that happened. It's like we lost the planet, so we kind of have to just, we're no-bads now. We have to find our new home. Well, I have this house,

so you guys can have this house. I get the spirit. No way to. I understand the spirit of it. If I'm the family, I'm going, no. All your jobs are in Jersey.

Yeah, no entire life, you're friends. Are you giving me jobs? The entire cast of Miss Marvel that you're never going to see again. You're in high school. You have friends. It's so bad.

But what I will say is that moment, though, is they're in the plane, which could have been, should have been more sweet with the two of them is exactly what you just said, Winston. And that's like, after I just had this emotional breakdown, I realize what my purpose now is. And I got to take care of this kid and I got to be with this kid and this is this. And we're going to do this together. It is literally how many different stories or movies we've seen where someone has lost their child. Yeah. And then they end up with whatever that surrogate is. I'm not going to screw up the second chance with my, this is my chance to have my kid again.

And that should have, we should have been able to immediately make that connection and that happens by when she, because I think about Guardians 2. I know that's not your favorite. I like it better than I used to. But remember when he has that full breakdown when Yandu's dying, saving him? Great, great scene. No, no, no, no. Give me that.

That's exactly right. me like all the power in the universe and she could not save her knees comes back and breaks down and can you imagine even if you were feeling the way you were at that point up for that movie and you see the payoff works hold her yeah as she's sobbing like that she just she couldn't do it she's sobbing you would have been like oh that well that i know that all i would have walked out another letter great hire we'll all been like this all right we might not love it but that got me yeah and then i would i would love the build up to it more because i'd be like wow it got there like I just, it never, never landed. I think that that's probably the thing that's getting you, and I'm realizing this, is there, for all of the good moments that are there and for all of the sloppiness that could be there in the filmmaking from time to time, there wasn't that hardcore emotional payoff. Oh, it wasn't connected. To like make, because, like you said, they beat the villain. Uh-oh. The reality, we got it, we got to fix it whatever.

Like, okay, okay. And, and. So we'll give you another one. Civil Ward. Uh-huh. Right. But the villain, Daniel Brule, is a great actor. And he's got some great speeches and everything.

The villain's okay. But the moment that you really emotionally connect to is when Tony is sitting there with both Winter Soldier and Cap. And he sees his parents get killed. And the emotion that builds there and that fire that comes out, you're like, whoa. Like you're in a dilemma of like, because Ellis and I used to. He used to get into fights about this all the time. Ellis is like, yeah, you got to kill that guy. I'm like, he didn't know what he was doing.

He's like, yeah, but he killed his parents. And it's like, yeah, and they put you in that place. You're not in a place in this movie. I never flicked because the villain was just like, I'm going to hurt you. Yeah, right. Because I will say, I think the, any movie, but if you just look at the Marvel movies that you think so fondly of, even if it has, like, I think of Black Panther, even if that has, people have a lot of beef with the CGI in the third act with the final battle,

and that's totally understandable about that. You don't really think about that because of the moment on the cliff with the sunset with killmongers saying, bury me with my ancestors, because they knew it was better to die free than to be a slave or to be imprisoned. So like, to die and change, whatever, you know,

I should know that line at this point. I've seen it 50 million times. But my point is, if you had had that, I think it would have shut a lot of people up. Well, it would have made people. had, like you said, grade would have gone up a little bit better. I would have probably been more forgiving of the singing scene. Like, yeah, I wish that didn't exist that scene.

But at least I, but I emotionally felt like, got them. But I also think that's why they moved the post credit or the mid credit to an end of movie scene. Well, let's talk about that. Because I think that scene would have been a mid credit had they had an ending that felt like, oh, and then we'd need a minute. And then we'd have that amazing recruiting avenger scene. But instead, it's like, we need an ending that feels uplifting. because we didn't have a big, you know, downspot. I love so much.

Ammon is the best. It perfectly mirrored Nick, but just like her being a goofy. She's wearing Hawkeyes coat in her own house, and she's recruiting her using her lines. But using Nick's speech directly, but screwing it up because she's a teenager. She's like, well, I have a dossier. There's a file on you. And also like, I'm 23. Like all the things we've addressed about the Young Avengers, like the time that's passed.

I also like Kate's reaction to her. Yeah. I was expecting, this again, one of the things that I was expecting to be predictable of her going, I don't know, but she's like,

you can tell she's getting a kick at her. Yeah, it's adorable. Can I ask? No. Because, okay, fine, bitch. Have a good show. Now you don't have a black person anymore. Good luck finishing the rest of this.

I'm cutting out. So, I remember last week, you guys were saying, because I keep intentionally not seeing when they're making these changes and they're trying to push it. You said there was something or a cameo or something that was being pushed. Yeah.

Or being rumored. What was the rumor? The one that we got. It was the one that we got. Oh, at the end. So not this one. So we'll get to the second one in a second. I hadn't heard about this one.

I loved it. Me too. No, but I thought, but I, but especially because and for me at least and I think that's what you're saying, they tried to get that emotional moment there. Yeah. There has been enough obviously breadcrums that the young Avengers are coming. You got Elijah Bradley hanging out in Falcon and Winter Soldier

You got obviously Kate You got Wanda's kids if they come back And I'm sure that they will find a way to do that one way or the other You got Miss Marvel And then there's enough canes You might get Iron Ladd's out there Let's stay with that Because you get this scene

Where she's... Oh, Stature? Because she brings up Cassie as well She actually, yeah, name drops Paul Rudd's kid She has a daughter too So let me ask you though because they had this question that, okay, or this scene where they're going to set up the Young Avengers

and they have this moment with Kate Bishop. Now, my question is this, one, let's say this movie underperforms, doesn't do very well. This was also shot at a time when the tone of the Marvel was a very particular way. Is there a chance that they go, I don't know if a Young Avengers movie will work. Do they, A, scrap it?

Do they B, go forward with it and give it a shot? Or do they see make it a Disney Plus series? You need to do the Young Avengers. Why? Just curious. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing. I think both branding and buildup, I think they've done a really good job with all the things you just mentioned,

Building 2. Thor's Kid, too. Thor's Kid, too. Yeah, they've done enough. Hulk's Kid. Oh, man, that haircut. They've done enough seed planting. I think you need the payoff.

But I also think the Avengers name is something that everyone's like, we need an Avenger, we need an Avenger. We've talked about it. So I think Young Avengers as a Disney Plus show, if the budget is enough to make it not feel. Plus, all those kids are not going to be as cheap as, like, you know, a downy. And of course, I'm a fucking idiot. Excuse my language, Ironheart. You literally.

Ironheart got her own show. No, no, I got that. But she's also a kid. She's already got her own thing on Disney Plus. We could transfer it over. Also, I mean, maybe, you know, New Tachala. Like, we have introduced. Maybe Tachala.

Yeah. Like, you, you, the reason why you have to. Because the two main focuses was the grief of. The thing that we loved or the person that we loved has died. The rebirth through their child. And now there's the rebirth through the next generation. So I think you need- You cannot abandon ship on that now.

You can make adjustments if you need to do a little bit of a turn, but you have laid that groundwork so hard. If you walk away from that, especially knowing that a majority of the X-Men in a lot of cases, the main team is like the, I'm a little past a young adult slash adult, but it's always that the kids are always around. I just wonder like how,

you sell that to the audience that's getting tired of this stuff. Take a year off, have only Deadpool come out. Yeah, but then, but that's, but they're doing that, right? That's what I think that's going to help. But then you get thunderbolts and then you're going to get, like you said, on Friday's episode, 2025 is going to explode with it. So when, when would you do this? How does it fit in?

I think you do a show and then you have them briefly in secret wars. And then you have them theatrically in Secret Wars. I think that's a better plan. It probably will. And it would probably be too crowd. But there's a part of me that almost thinks that if it's not Secret Wars, that the young Avengers were going to show up against the Thunderbolts. That was something that it was always kind of like, since they're kind of the anti-hero suicide squad-esque situation, that there's maybe some point where they're a little out of control and they might end up. I love that narratively.

I don't know if Disney's going to have adults punching kids. So genuinely, I think by having the Young Avengers fight the Thunderbolts and this is like their big test to figure that out because the Thunderbolts. bolts we thought we're doing the right thing but as they rise up and we don't have a team established i just don't know narratively how you'd have you know the villains fighting kids like adults fighting children might be tricky to establish like i know cassie's you know nearly an adult i know kate bishop's obviously 23 as established but it would be a little like what's happening i just see but my pushback on that is you already had kingpin fighting cape bishop you already have cassie fighting king i've been thinking that was their plan until the young young avengers like

Wanda's kids like Arnold Chalachua. Miss Marvel was out here fighting a grown woman that was trying to disintegrate her. I think it works narratively. I think that's. But before we go, you got to go. So one of the things that I do want to talk about because people are

like, how are you not talking about that? One of the things that this thing did. Now, we did a full on spoiler episode for the last episode of Loki and how that ties into the overall MCU. This scene, now, I think a lot of times people, this, they tried to do I think, what the Black Adam

Superman scene tried to do. Like, well, yeah, don't worry about some of the stuff that you saw there, but you have this, because she's, Rambo's out, and I don't know how they found her out and floating around in space, but they, they find her in space, she wakes up and she sees who she thinks is her mother. Now, speaking of what we just spoke about. Great scene, because it's got emotional weight. She automatic, great performance there. She looks over and she sees her mom, and she's like, well, and she's breaking down.

I'm like, I don't know you. But I'm like, that, that's what we were looking for. Yeah. And that moment is fantastic. And then when she doesn't know her, and then we get Beast, and that's the setup. We've been waiting for it. The introduction officially of the X-Men, and it seems like it's going to be in this world where Rambo will be. And eventually somehow she'll push them into, I guess, will Rambo be in Deadpool, you think?

So I definitely think so because we have been trying to find the connection to the Fox universe this entire time, right? So now, by us getting Kelsey Grammer, Beast, we're fully introduced to it in that regard. Everything that Deadpool's now doing with Logan, which, again, that's the world that Hugh Jackman lives in as well. If you have Monica Rambo, she's like, I'm not from this universe. I'm trying to get back to whatever my universe is. He knows it, though. He says it as much. He says that she's not from the...

Well, no, no, no, for sure. But I'm saying, like, if Deadpool, because, again, associated with the X-Men, he's been at the X-Men and all that, that is how that connection now to the MCU. actually happens and whether it's okay whatever whatever it is to to bring us over and bridge us back it's monica is now that key element to do that and i like that she has like you know seeing through light waves patterns to be interesting if they use those elements i do think the time turner with deadpool is going to play into multiversally than jumping through but i i i loved loved the scene except for the cgion beast was so bad dude he's a practical character it looks real rushed Like he's a character that looks so, it's hard to get him practical, and they did it.

And then now, like, and I think he looks more comic accurate, which is, it's interesting. He looks now more comic accurate. It looks like the drawings, but he looks too deep. Like, that looks like a, and I totally understand that. It feels like, A, they probably tried to do this as an almost like a last minute thing based off of what you guys were saying, but also B, there's no knock against Kelsey Grammer. I don't know if you guys have seen him recently. He does look significantly older.

You were going to have to over CGI him anyway. No, you put him in prosthetics. He's covered in blue. You can't tell. You can't tell what a person. Dude, they made Michael Keaton. You couldn't even tell. Michael Keaton was wearing a latex suit unless with the close-ups you couldn't really tell he was.

It's all blue. It's a big furry blue. Yeah. That's, I thought that for me, I thought they were doing that as a de-aging technology type situation. They're doing it because they want to put it in mega. They wanted to put it up.

And that's such a bummer. They also pushed that scene. This is what they, from the rumors are they said, let's get that scene out there. And they made it. And they pushed it fast. But they mentioned Charles in the scene, too, though.

Do you mention Charles. Charles wanted to know when when she woke up. It's in Ex Mansion. So they're clearly going to like that might be where Deadpool. So what Coy and I've been debating is who Lashana Lynch is supposed to then be in the X-Men. And I'm actually- She has the bracelets on, right? I was pretty sure she had the bracelets on. I didn't see that. I think she had bracelets and that makes her Kzar. But I, maybe she did.

It's been a minute since we've seen it at this particular moment. But I am very curious for people in the comments to tell us what you think. of who, what care, because I thought for a second that it was maybe like Cecilia Reyes just because she has that relationship with Beast. There is that whole situation where like occasionally is helping out with space adventures and stuff. So that was my thought. Yeah.

But I'm not, I'm honestly not sure. So I'm curious with you guys who you think Lashana Lynch is supposed to be portraying at that point. I'm sure smarter people than us. I mean, I'm very curious. I don't think they have to establish it yet because it's going to be narratively for whatever's like. So like I'm also curious.

No, no. And I'm also curious who people think. All right. So look, that was it. That was our spoiler. heavy episode of the Marvels. What do you guys think? Put your comments in there.

Let us know exactly what you think of it. If you can, because let's have a nice conversation. Please. And I hope you see it. Yeah. I also hope you watch this entire episode. Don't just look at the spoiler and you know that coy says something. You know Chris said something.

Then all of a sudden you just, I know you all hated that. Watch the whole damn video and see what we had to say about this. Winston, one with cameras on you. Where can they find you? You can find me at the Swaggy Blurred on all the platform. Please go over to my YouTube channel because if it's Monday, that means I've actually been dropping some stuff over the weekend. And that's back because the strike is over.

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