The Kristian Harloff Show - The Mental Health Effects of the WGA and SAG strikes. (Miri Jedeikin)

Episode Date: August 28, 2023

Join the website here! http://www.thekristianharloff.com The WGA strikes and SAG strikes have been going on for a while now as the writers and actors fight for what they are owed. What toll does it take on not just them but those working on the lower scale in the studios? What toll does it take on the writers scraping by, the actors trying to live? How do you balance the good feeling of fighting for what is right and the fear of not paying your bills? Licenced therapist Miri Jedeikin joins Kristian Harloff on this special episode of The Big Thing. #strikes #mentalhealth #sag #wga #movies 

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Today, my friend Miri Jettiken is going to join me, and we're going to talk about the strike. Now, when you go, oh, man, the strike again, this is different. Miri, who some of you may or may not know from the old Shmo's days, a lot, I know a lot of people found us recently, but if you're following us from the Shmose days and the AMC days, then you'll know Miri. Well, Mary's gone on to do a different career, and she's awesome at it. really she's been kicking ass. And she sent me this article about how mental health is really a big thing right now going on with these strikes and how it's affected not only the writers and the actors, but people on the other side as well.

I thought it was pretty fascinating. And we're just going to have the conversation about that in general. So I'm glad to have her here. And I'm glad that you guys are able to have her back or for the first time in the big thing. So we're going to talk to Miriam just a bit. If you brand new to the channel, you've never been here before. Hit that button, man. We're almost at $100,000, and we need you guys to help us out.

So hit that button, let's do it. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. You know what to do. All right, let's get to it. It's me. It's Mary Jettiken. It's the big thing. What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back. Big thing. Monday. And this is awesome. Look who it is. Mary Jettiken is here. Hi, Mary. Hi.

How are you? I'm really good. It's good. We're catching up. We've only been catching up for maybe five minutes. You know. Jumping right into it. Jumping right back in.

Like we never left. Like we never left. And you said, I'm a little rusty. I don't know. I don't think so. We'll see. You're pretty good at this. It's a bit a minute.

Yes. Well, let's go. Let's talk about that. Okay. Because we briefly during the pandemic, you, I was doing the one-on-one with Christian Harloff again, and we had kind of caught up there. But that series in general, I don't think it got the, that channel, the old one that you knew. the algorithm just hasn't been kind to it

because it's just gone through so many iterations so when I put things up there it doesn't matter what it is they just don't get the eyes that they should so that's another reason why I thought it would be great to have you back today kind of reintroduce you to maybe people who don't know from those days and you know because I was thinking

no you're not old I was saying because you stopped you were producer for the Shmos well let's even backtrack you and I met I was thinking it was like late 2013 early 2014 AMC we were both contributors on movie talk. Isn't that nuts?

Years. That's nuts. Yeah. And then, so then you became a guest on the Shmowsnow. I just watched your tribute video the other day in preparation for this and your journey of where you were. It was like you were a contributor and then you became the producer of the show and you were great.

You kept us in line. It kept us scheduled. It was very organized. And then in 2016, it was a real trek for you for where you had to go from where you were living at the time to there, to Burbank. So, and then you kind of, you did some stuff with hitfix for a bit. Yeah, brooks.

So tell me, after that, after that, what was the, what was the journey like? What happened? Where'd you go? Oh, man. It's like an epic, Tolkien-esque quest. That's why we're here. So I went back to school. Yeah.

And I got my master's in clinical psychology. Amazing. And I did many thousands of hours of training, believe it or not. A lot, some of it during the pandemic and became a therapist. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist. I have a full practice. Work with all kinds of individuals. Definitely creatives, definitely entertainment industry.

And I love it. I mean, it's interesting because so much of what you do and I did in this space, there's some similarities. You know, you talk to people, you focus, you're listening, you're asking questions. Sure. So some of the skills kind of... Transfer over. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, I could see that. sure because you have to mean when you're because you had interviewed so many different people and whether it was with us and before before you were with us you were doing that stuff you were doing junkets and i can see where you electric playground for sure and you've got but you've got to you got to listen but then but there's that now added element to it where you've got to be able to also not just have like what the next question is about the movie you've got to have a response to where it's it's helpful yeah you have to be able to diagnose yeah mental health disorders and you know that's why She's here today, by the way, for me.

Little do you know, Christian. No, it's really, but you do. I mean, assessing for safety and suicidality and, you know, there's laws, there's ethics, there's a licensure process, there's a board. Yeah. It's like grown-up stuff. I know, but it's awesome. And when you told me that you were doing that, I wasn't surprised at all, especially for when you,

because you had to, because nobody really, understandably so, didn't really hear from you that much during that time because you were barreled in, you know. I was, yeah, working. You have to be. You have to be. Yeah. And, you know, lots of personal life changes. And actually now you and I live very close, which is funny.

I know. But, yeah, it's been a wild ride. But it's been amazing. Good. I love what I do. I'm glad because, yeah, I could see where you'd be awesome and what you do. And of course. And then so you had sent me because we tried to actually do this, a podcast for like the last three months.

It's like, yeah, right? It's like a few different things happen. I think that I got sick, you got sick. Yeah, and then you were away and then I was away. I don't know. I was just scheduling like Tetris. It was difficult. But we're here.

But here we are. We made it. We did. Finally. It's so happy to be here. Yeah, for sure. And you sent me this hard because you said, what are we going to talk about? I'm not as caught up in the industry.

And I said, it's not, I shouldn't say the industry, but in the movie news and those types of things, like the way that you were, obviously when you were in the thick of it. But I was like, this show, that's what's so different about this show than even from Schmo's, even from the Collider and AMC days, is that I love having one particular topic, hence, hence the big thing of the day, and which I think the big thing for this episode is definitely talking about how this is affecting everyone. Not just business-wise, but mentally. And you had sent that article, and I said, yes. Literally, and it will be probably the entire episode

because there's just so much. But we'll talk about some other things, I guess, kind of leading into it because you said, so you saw Barbie. Yes, I did. And did you love it? I really liked it. Yeah.

I don't know. It's hard to say I loved it. I think it was really timely and important, and I really respect and appreciate the vision. There was a lot I loved about it. There were some things that I didn't love, but I think overall, I think it's such an important movie. I agree with that.

The conversation around it is massive. Yeah, I agree with that, and I'm probably, I think I'm on the same page as you are, where I think Reda Gourweig is fantastic. Little Women and Lady Bird were just incredible, and you could see why she has the success that she has attained, obviously, and she's doing Narnia next, which is insane. It's cool.

I know, it's awesome. But, no, I felt the same way. I think that it's directed really well. I think the message is strong. The tone was a little all over the place for me. It was like sometimes it was like, it was this real fun, kind of goofy almost. And I say this piece of people,

whoa, that's an insult. Like it had like a cat in the hat if the cat in the hat movie was good feeling. You know what I mean? And then it had this other side of it where it was like this serious, here's this speech. And then there was a music video.

And I was like, whoa, This is a lot, but I am in the minority because people, this movie, it's made more, it's made more money. It's the highest grossing movie of the year. Yeah, and I think it's talking about something a lot of people are talking about. I mean, I always say I'm an existential feminist therapist, and this is an existential feminist film. So what does that mean to a dummy like me? It means that, well, feminist therapy is actually a kind of therapy, and a lot of people hear that and they're like, oh, you only see women or you only see feminists. It's like, no, feminist therapy is actually about understanding that everybody comes from a context.

So your identity, your gender, your religion, your sexual orientation, all of it contributes to who you are as a person and your environment determines a lot of the experiences you have, your mental health. So to not acknowledge that is sort of missing a big piece of the puzzle when we work with people. So that's really what it means in a nutshell. The existential piece is I think we're meaning makers. I've always been storytelling focus. I've always loved stories. It's why I did what I did, you know, for years talking about movies. I think we tell stories.

I think that's how we understand ourselves. And so existential therapy, existential psychology is really about what does it all mean? What matters to me? Where do I find value? Where do I find meaning? Who am I in the world? What does it mean to be here? What does it mean to be human?

Yeah, and I can see that as you describe it that way with I'm sure all the different people that you've now met in this career and all the different stories that you have just kind of attained, you know, because you see everything kind of in the, that way, right? So, like, that's why you responded to film. That's why you responded to television, because, and not that people's lives are just fictional stories, but that's where, that's where those fictional

stories come from real life and real truth. So, yeah. For sure. Do you watch the bear? Oh, my God. It's the best. I love that show. It is the best. Talk about mental health. For real. Did you watch season two? Yeah. I like, Jamie Lee Cruz. I inhaled it. Next level. Yeah. She better get nominated. Yeah. It's

incredible. It's next level. That that episode of television, season two, I think it was like, episode six, whenever the Christmas episode. Flashback episode. First of all, it's shot like a film. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. And it's next to Pine Barrens from Sopranos,

it might be my favorite episode of television ever. I could see that. It has almost like a throwback to the 70s sort of dramas that used to come out, like Mike Nichols movies. Like we don't see stuff like that anymore. I love, I mean, I love how they talk about mental health and addiction and trauma. They do a really good job.

It's fantastic. And they have, and it's a great show. And they have, and it's like a good, it's listed as like a kind of a dark comedy. So weird. Which is weird. You can see it because I guess because of the stuff the cousin does and some of the things. I mean, there's definitely comedy in it. There's theatrics.

Yeah. I mean, there's funny moments, but I don't know that I would, it's so weird the way people, like, you ever read the things on Netflix where they describe it? And you're like, this was not what I said it was. No. I remember the Martian got nominated for comedy. Ridiculous. Silliness.

Absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. So, yeah. I love that show just so much. That one I watched, and then, I don't know, TV you probably catch up with more than movies these days, right? It depends. It's weird because now my work is so involved, and I have to be really mindful of what I watch. So it used to be that I would love to watch horror movies and thrillers.

I just watched this movie on Netflix with Tom Holland, I think. It's like a gothic drama that takes place in, like, the 20s. It's called The Devil All the Time. Oh, no, I don't know what that is. I couldn't finish. It's so dark. Okay. And it's good.

But I just, yeah, it's relatively new. And I couldn't finish it. It was that dark. It's too much for me. He's got a lot. You probably would love to sit down and talk to that guy, see what's going on in his head. Because he's, he's, I mean, his interviews are just the best. Yeah, he's pretty funny.

I've seen some clips. But it's pretty dark. And it used to be that I could just consume them. But now I'm so conscious of how things sit and mean how I hold him. And it's just, it's heavy. And that now comes from the new gig, right? Yeah, I'm sure. because my wife's the same way though

when it comes to you know right before she goes to sleep she's got to be it's it's tough what's what you're watching because family guys okay but family right but she didn't watch stranger things the last season and

we and I had watched it and then she had bailed on it because the first two episodes are very very horror based like Nightmare in Elm Street like old school right so she was like, I think I'm out. Yeah.

And then I was like, it, I said, it gets better. I'm like, it really, I mean, not that it gets better because I think it's, I think it's fantastic in the first two. I said, it gets less of that as it goes on. And she's like, all right, maybe when we get closer to Halloween. So like, two months, a month and a half ago, she started, she's like, I want to watch it again. So she started watching it.

And she was, like, dialed in, wanted to watch it, but, but, like, had, but stayed up later because she had to wind down after she watched it because it's just, it's intense. Yeah. Yeah. I resonate with that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

All right, let's get into this article, though, because I thought, like last week, I don't know how you've been keeping pretty close rain on what's going on with the strikes? Yeah, I mean, I live in Los Angeles. Right. So it's like inevitable that the industry, I have friends and family and people that work in the industry. So, and the strike is just, it's everywhere all over the media here. Yeah. And, you know, I have clients who are certainly affected by it.

Like, it's, it's. happening, it's spreading, it's tentacles. It's really reaching a lot of different industries now at this point. I mean, it's really affecting the US economy. I mean, like that. And there's so much that people, you know, that people are getting involved with and like the stuff I thought because of the amount of money that it's causing in general, the loss, that this new meeting and proposal that you, that they're, so for people who don't know,

writers and you know the studios were going to sit down and then they did sit down so the the first basically right afterwards the studios were like well look what you offered them we offered them isn't it great like look look what we offered it and they're and it was not getting anywhere and then what really kind of happened was they sat down and and and it was in a negotiation it was more so the studio's going hey this is why you should take this deal and they're like well no because this deal isn't It's still a lot of the stuff that we're fighting for hasn't been addressed. So let's not do that. Let's talk about this deal.

Some of the stuff, fine, but let's negotiate around it. And they're like, no. And then apparently Iger is, he's taking it personal. Like the writers, it's like, and this goes to that article you sent me because he has like this father figure thing where he shouldn't be looking at that way. He should be looking at his employer employee. But he's got like this, these are my kids. And it's like, they're not.

that your employees. And then you got, what's his face over at, at Netflix, who is, the head of Netflix is, who's saying, he's worried,

this is the inside, this is the, supposedly, but he's worried that if we put together a deal that caters to the writers stuff here,

that then the writers overseas and their actors are, right, are going to want, because their, their deal in the UK, I think is like next year,

that they're going to want the same thing. Mm-hmm. So they're like, no. So, and then, yeah, it's a mess. I don't know. I don't think it's going to, I think 2024 now doomed that pushed back. And I'm bummed about that.

You know, I think it's, it's so interesting. Like, when you work in mental health, you see it everywhere. It's like when you buy a car, you see it everywhere. Yeah. There's the industry, the Hollywood industry, since its inception, has been built on narcissism and exploitation and abuse. So I think that that permeates into a lot of other industry. And I think, for example, a movie like Barbie is very timely because it's not just looking at patriarchy.

It's looking at capitalism and all of these intertwining systems that create hierarchies that inevitably oppress people based on, in part, socioeconomic factors, right? So, like, what's happening with the strike is really interesting. And the article speaks to this, too, about how, like, there are a lot of people caught in the crosshairs, particularly below the line. And people who are working in production, and that sucks. and a lot of people are mad at actors and writers. And I think that's really interesting. They're mad at the people who are speaking up and trying to set healthier boundaries

in a traditionally abusive relationship. And protect their families in the long run, yeah. And in the long run, it will bleed out to all the below the line workers, but it's interesting who gets victim blamed, basically. And, you know, Iger and all these people, and I don't remember who it was, it said, like, we're going to bleed them, like, we're going to bleed them dry.

That wasn't an anger, yeah, but yeah, there was somebody, there was somebody, there was somebody that it was a studio exact. Apparently people know who it was particular because that was who Ron Perlman knew because you see Ron Perlman's. No. Oh, Ron Perlman heard that. Ron Perman was like throwing threats. Like, he's like, he's like, we know where you live, motherfucker. Yeah, that's in that voice. More or less.

And but, but nonetheless, he, the guy whoever was, was an executive. So when he was talking about is that, um, he's like, he was talking about is that. And it was reported in a leak that he, this particular executive was like, yeah, we were prepared for this and we're just going to hope that, you know, they're just going to have, they're not going to have money for their families. They're not going to be able to pay for their kids. What's wrong with you? Are you not a human? Like, what happened to your heart? It's the soul got sucked away and then it's green.

What is that black piece of coal where your heart was? 100%. There ain't no grinch here. Yeah. So that's the whole thing. It's like, I think the strike is just symbolic and emblematic of something bigger. that's going on where people, I think especially since the pandemic, people are starting to really question, what are we doing? Why are we going to the office every day? This is another issue that I hear people talking about. Like, why do I have to go into the office? I'm productive at home. And there's a lot of big business employee kind of tension that I see that I think the strike is emblematic of something bigger. In other words. For sure. Yeah. Well, that's what I took out of that article. And we're going to link the article, by the way, in the description.

description if you want to read it. But I took that to heart, as I mentioned before, that I've been on the acting side of it. You know, I've been on the stand-up comedians. I'm trying to get the jobs, working for the executives, doing those things. And there is that kind of like, all right, little one, you know, we let us do our thing. And even when you're hired for the job, even when you're hosting, whether it's the companies that we've worked for, you know, it's like you're the hired gun and you're not looked on as an employee. You're looked on as like, it does feel like, oh, this is, this is like the parent figure to, like, to you being the kid. And it shouldn't be that way.

And it is for when, you know, when it is hosts or actors. And it's tough for people, regular people who are just going to their normal lives every single day and know what, to them, I've got, I don't have time for actors in this time of thing because they're doing make-believing it. What do they, they get paid enough. They don't understand everything behind it, you know, because they see, like, the one thing that's painted for them through the media, the way it. looks, but they don't know, even to listen to what Bryce Dallas Howard and Katie were talking about them, like the amount of money that they get taken out from, whether it's from managers and agents and Texas and things, like they don't, even if you see someone with this big price tag that they get on their movies and whatever it might be, they don't get what you think

that they get. And it's crazy. I think that's also something that's been, I don't want to call it like a silver lining, but I think it's a good thing that the strike is starting to empower people to come forward and talk about like, I can't remember which writer. There was a writer on a show and they were like accepting an award in a rented tucks and like couldn't pay their rent. It was a Netflix show or something. I saw one headline and I'm seeing headlines of like, guess what? I was in the writer's room of this like top notch, top rated show and I couldn't like buy groceries that week. So there's a lot of people working on big titles that aren't making enough money to earn a living wage, which, you know, is an issue in a lot of industries. And there's a real squeeze

happening, I think. There is. And all the stuff, whether it's the amount of writers to put in the writer's room, you know, the AI side of it, residuals. And the other thing I thought was really interesting that I certainly wasn't thinking about that made sense immediately when I read it was that, you know, we think about the actors, we think about the writers, we think about the studio execs, but we're not thinking about the people who just work at the struck companies that go to work every day because they have to do the same thing, right? They're paying, that's their job and the assistance. And they're losing their shirts also, like all of these other industries that support film and TV and all of that. Like the production services companies and catering and, you know,

you name it, like all the things that go into sets, props, all that stuff. Like, they're not working. They're not working. But even the ones who are working, right? Like the ones who, like, yes, you're going to have those people that we just talked about at the high level that are, as you said, have kind of the black heart now and that's just about the dollar. But there are those people.

And we've worked in the studio system. There are good people in the studio system. And I think that, like, they get a bad rap because I've worked with really good people who do get it and do it. Like, look at Ethan Irwin. Ethan Irwin is one of the best people in the world. He said to, and he works at a production company. He works in the studio system and everything, too.

So there are good people and a lot of good people, but I think, I think of someone like, you know, like just like an assistant to one of those, someone of Warner Brothers, right? Who, that's their job. Maybe they're coming right out of college. They got there. They've been working there for a year, two years. And they are on the side of the writers.

But they can't, but they can't stop working there because that's, that no one's fighting for them and they're against the people that they believe in. And it's like this mental thing that's going on for them too, I'm sure is pretty stressful. Sounds messy. Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's just, you know, the thing that was interesting to me about the article, which was sent to me by a friend and colleague of mine,

um, is, you know, just the, the toll that it takes on everyone's mental health, like the not knowing and this, the thing I thought was interesting to is like how you can, feel really empowered to be on a picket line and fighting for your rights while also feeling helpless and hopeless at the same time.

Right. So that I thought was really interesting. Yeah, because you're waking up every day to fight for what you believe in, but at the same time, then you look at your bank account and it's just dwindling and dwindling and dwindling. And it's like, yeah, okay, I'm going to be, I have all this support around me when I go and I'm for the day, but when I go home, how long do I have this home? Yeah. You know, that's, that's, that is, you can, I, I understood that completely.

I think Billy Porter sold his house or something. something. Is that what it was? I saw that he, I don't know. I'm, I should have checked. No, but I, but I could, but yeah, but I mean, I think there's tons of people like with, with these types of stories right now and it's, um, it, you know, you don't think about it because you're, there are a lot of times, especially for people who are watching like this show. A lot of the time, they're like, okay, well, when can we start seeing movies again? When can we, because that's, and rightfully so for them. I understand, though, too, right? Because it's like, they're not as locked into it in the same way that people aren't, not everybody's locked into politics, not everybody's

locked into these things. And, and so they're not locked into it. And, and so they're not locked into it. what they know is they go to the movies, they want to see it, and then the movies that they want to see, like Dune and stuff that are getting pushed back, and then it's because, and that's the funny thing. You're going to see a lot of reality TV. You're right, because it's going to be... Isn't that what happened last time?

Yeah, because things are going to start getting pushed back. Now you're going to get the marbles that's going to get pushed. There's no way they're going to keep the marvels, because it's the same reason, man, because they said, you know, that Warner Brothers is more concerned about what Dune's going to do and pushing Dune than the, figure out how to just pay these people and move on.

It's like, well, no, no, no, we're going to lose the money. Push it. I knew this was going to happen, too. So we've been talking about this on the show. Greed. Yeah. It goes back to greed. It's nuts.

It's just greed. I think it's just greed. I think people just get completely intoxicated by having, I mean, Jeff Bezos is flying a rocket. It's just, it's like what? It's like, it's nuts. It's funny because I said this thing, too. It's like, you know, and it's, it is this one thing, because people, you hear it all the time

when they talk about Elon Musk, and they're like, oh man, if I was, if I was that Elon Musk's money, you know what I would do, I would do this, I would shut up. You don't know what you would do because you'd be Elon Musk. Yeah.

You'd be your head, with that, nobody should have that much money because it was a $260 billion. You're not a normal person. No, and I think you're making a good point, which is like nobody is immune to greed. Right. Nobody is immune.

We live in a late stage capitalistic structure that's crumbling. Like, let's be real. Fewer people have health insurance. You go into debt. You have to sell your house if you have, God forbid, a terminal medical condition. There are more and more people that are unhoused. I hate to be like storm clouds.

But clearly, like, come on the show, the radio to do that. But no, but really, like, I think, you know, what's interesting to work as a therapist because, you know, I see all kinds of different people, but there is a undercurrent of malaise, like ill at easeness. Right. Like people are not sure what's coming next. And I think that that's something that is permeating. And I think the strike is just like a Hollywood sort of emblem of that.

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the first thing I always say is it's not a disrespect to anybody I worked with on, whether it was Shmose or, or Collider or anything. This show that I'm doing now is the most fun, the most relaxed that I've ever been. But it had to do with all that stuff in the past because of, like you were saying before, you learn each and every time you get, you progress.

And that was the thing that we were really learning on the job like back then. Yep. So yeah. Yes, we were. Yeah, there's stuff and there was stuff though too. Like even from when you first came on the show, it hasn't time to change so much. We couldn't never do

the stuff. You remember Spicy Lucy? Oh my God. They never just Spicy Lucy. No. We could the whole show would get canceled. Tom Dagnino. Yeah. Tom Degnino. Yeah, he would Is he still have the ridiculous hat? The mask? The mask? The mask? He just golfs all the time. That's all he's doing is golfing. He just golfs all the time. And he's,

Sounds rough. The same lunatic he's always been. Tell him hi. Yeah, that's it. And we have a chipmunk on the show now who's filthy. It's like an actual filthy chipmunk. Like a real chipmunk animal. Yeah, he comes on the show and he talks and he's pretty filthy.

But I would introduce you to him. But like with your profession today, I don't know if you want to do it. Maybe not. He's pretty filthy. But other than that, what's been the latest with you outside? You know, like, how's your life, Mary Jane? My life is really good. I work a lot, but when you love what you do, it doesn't feel like work.

I mean, I get asked a lot, you know, like, aren't you tired at the end of the day? And I'm like, yes, I'm actually really tired at the end of the day, but I love what I do. I have two boys who are, like, giant. They're getting giant, and it's terrifying. Yeah, I don't know. It's pretty, maybe my life's boring. I don't know. I went through, I was going through pictures where I, the other day, had a whole bunch of

old school, like back in around that time period. And then you had had a July 4th party. My wife and my, at the time I only had one kid. And she was tiny. She was little. And now now she's not too far off. How tall are you?

Five, nine and a half maybe? My daughter is already like 5'5. Oh yeah. And she's 11. And so she's going to be super tall. Although she's bummed out. She didn't make I can't believe how big she is. I know. And she didn't make the volleyball team. She was bummed. That sucks. That sucks. But she's like a D&D player and she's like.

Of course she is. Yeah. She's like it's so funny. She's like, she's a total, she's an act. She wants to be she's, she was Mary Poppins in her play. She was fantastic. And that's the kind of stuff. And she like plays the cello, right? That's amazing.

Yeah. And she's multifaceted. And super smart. And she gets down on herself because she doesn't make the team like, don't worry about it. It's not what you're supposed to do. If you want to try to do it, go back and do it tomorrow. Yeah. But if you don't, if tell you, that's not what was supposed to happen.

And she's like, all right, you know, that's fine. The other one, I've told this story before, but I have to tell you because I know you're going to appreciate it. My little one, who's almost six now. So cute. Yeah, is essentially a soprano. Wait, like a singer or mafioso? Mafioso. Oh, my God.

She's making deals. And so the other day, it's the first day of kindergarten. Again, I've told this story before, but I have to tell you because it's just a little added to it. So we take a kindergarten and she is just the last person in, bawling, doesn't want to leave my wife's side, like heartbreaking kind of crying, right? I'm like, oh, man, this is rough. First day, kind of. First day. And we're like, we're there.

We're like, oh, no. So she's holding on to my wife. We're like, we're trying everything to get her in there. So you remember the show Ninjago? Of course. I have two boys. Right. If you go in, I'll give you three Ninjagoes when you get home.

And my kid's crying and she goes, four. And my wife goes, okay, four. And then she looks at her and goes, and a lollipop. Oh, wow. And she goes, and a lollipop. And so then Macy goes like this, turns around and walks in. Now she wasn't. Jimmy Hoffa.

Now, she wasn't, she wasn't like, like crying and then putting on a show. She was legit crying. She just got a deal that was presented to her that was too good to pass up and too good to not negotiate. And I went, all right, I saw some, some dill hole on the thing, on the comment section, be like, good parenting. If you, you can get away with it. I'm like, my kid's going to be cutting deals and he's going to buy, she's going to buy and sell you. You know, like, she is like.

Also, I always wonder if those folks. that make those comments are parents. Probably not. Do you know what it's like to be a parent? I challenge any person to, and I'm a single mom half the time. You know, my ex and I, we share our kids, but it's like, it's a lot.

Parenting is a lot. You dropped that bomb now just now. No, I mean, you knew that. I knew that, but the audience didn't know. Well, the audience mostly doesn't know me most likely. Well, maybe we may not, but that's... Yeah, that was a long time. I mean, that's already been...

That's been in bed now. So, but everything's good there, too. Yeah. And then that's the other thing that's... I see that. I was talking about that with Brett, that there are a lot of times where you think you're in a particular situation that you're going to be in forever. And then that situation changes. And then you as you get, not you in general, but as people.

One does. One then looks at this situation and goes, oh, well, that's kind of where I guess I needed to shift. So do you feel that? Because I know that there's obviously, and we don't have to get into, there's a lot of love and everything that comes with the next and all that. but did you feel that, oh, no, no, this is where I'm supposed to go and this is how I can kind of continue my life. You mean splitting up? Yeah. I mean, you don't get married thinking you're going to split up.

Sure, sure. But I think it became very clear, you know, that that was the right choice for us. I think it was, it's like choose your hard, you know? Like, it's hard to split up, and in some cases it's really hard to stay together. And sometimes you have to choose the less hard of the two. And I think that's kind of, it was definitely more hard in some ways. I'm sure. But yeah, I think now the dust is settled enough and there's been enough time where, you know, I actually would say that the co-parenting is better now in a lot of ways.

Maybe because of how I've grown and how he's grown and, you know, we're more able to like communicate and we can agree or disagree. But like we, I don't know. I just feel like we get a long way better. That's awesome. Yeah. And then do you feel that? Because we don't live together. But isn't that the truth?

Living alone is kind of nice. Just going to say. But that's what I meant. But that's what I meant, though, because you get to, and like you said, when you get together with someone and you're married, the goal is that you always want to stay together. But at some point, you realize, like you guys did, that it's time to move apart. And then, like you said, you were able to concentrate on your career, even more so now. And do you find, though, with the things that you've gone through in your relationship that you're able to kind of bring that to your new business? Yeah, I mean, it's not that new anymore, believe it or not.

But, yeah, I... New endeavor. To me, to me, we're sitting down with you. It's new. But I work with a lot of couples. Yeah. And it definitely helps inform my, you know, experience as a therapist. And one of the things that I think is really interesting is I love Esther Perel.

I don't know if you're familiar with her. She's a psychotherapist. She's been working for probably like 30 or 40 years. I don't know. She wrote a book called, she wrote two books. One is called mating in captivity. Okay. And it's all about how marriage is, when we invented marriage,

it was a business transaction between two families and people lived to 25. So it really has evolved into something very different. Now people are married and live together and they live to 90. And, you know, we used to rely on community for a lot of the things that now we rely on our partner for. So marriage takes a lot of hits. Right. And it is required, a lot is required of marriage in our culture. So the idea that you're going to be the same person or that your marriage is going to be the same,

you're actually, I don't know how to say this, but it's like if you want your marriage to last and be healthy, you have to be committed to the growth of yourself, your partner, and your relationship. And the relationship is a living thing. So if you tend to it and you're committed to it and you're committed to your own growth and the growth of your partner and they're committed to their own growth, then I think you can do wonderful things. And, you know, I work with a lot of couples that are in non-traditional relationship structures. So polyamory or consensual non-monogamy. And that's more and more popular.

People are exploring that a lot more. I have a friend that, I mean, I think she talks about it on the air all the time. So do you remember Doreena? She's after your time. She's after your time. My memory is also. It's okay. She's after your time.

But Doreena opened marriage and talks about it all the time on the air. But it's like, yeah, it does seem like that it was so, I mean, I'm not going to say that everybody understands it because they don't. I mean. And it's not for everyone. No. And it's one of those things where it's, but people do talk. talk about, I hear it more now. Yeah.

Like, you've been like, wait, even when she first told me back whenever it was, and I was like, wait, what, how does that work? And because it's still, I'll be honest. It's still, I think you've got to be in a certain place. Like, both people, obviously, that you have to be completely okay with it. I have a friend and he talked about it. And this is where we can be more comfortable here because, you know, like, I talk to this guy, my buddy of mine who, from, and he's like, you know, I think I want to get into this.

I want to try to do the open marriage with my wife and have a thing where we're going to go to this club. And there's this like sex club that they wanted to go to. And he wanted to go to. Right. And then I was like, well, wait a minute. Let me, let me ask you a question. You're telling me that your wife is going to be okay if you're there with another one. And he's like, maybe.

And I'm like, I was like, but here's the other question. Here's the other question. You're there. You're in the room. And you turn over. and there is your wife go in town with another guy. You're going to be okay with that?

He's like, yeah, I'm like, you're full of shit. You're full of shit. Now, I'm not saying that there's some people who aren't. There's a lot of people who aren't. Totally. But my particular friend was, like, they just think of, because they just think of the sex side of it.

And they're like, oh, that'd be great to have another woman. And then she, you're full of it. Here's a thing. Monogamy is a relationship structure that we default to because of the culture and society and religion that we've been living in. Yeah, it's what's, it's the dominant. It's the thing that we default to.

And it probably works for a lot of people. It doesn't work for everyone. And because it's the default, there's a lot of people who find themselves in monogamous relationships that are not really happy. They're not meant to be monogamous. And there's also relationships that start out monogamous and then open and then close again.

And, you know, my feeling is it's always a really great idea to stay connected to yourself and with your partner, have these conversations the thing I will say about working with couples who are consciously engaging in non-monogamous structures is that they, when it goes well, have some of the most beautiful, conscious, communicative relationships. They have to.

Right. You have some of them have contracts. Some of them have, like, ground rules and protocols, and they're constantly revisiting it and they're constantly talking about it. So, yeah, you're right. A lot of people are like, yes, I can have sex with whoever I want. It's like, no.

It doesn't work that way. And in fact, there's a lot of work that goes into it, particularly like polyamorous structures where you have multiple relationships or relationship anarchists. I mean, there's so many different ways to skin the cat, as they say. But again, even that, that to me is even crazier.

I'm having like a few different relationships and marriages. And what I'm saying is... Time-consuming. Yeah, that's what I mean. You just talked to, how long are you married for? 11 years. 11 years. Okay, I've been married now for almost 14.

13. And, and that's, that's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a big amount of time. You two? No, I'm, I'm right. One's enough. Yeah. And, and even, and, and right now, you're like, no, I like being alone. I like living alone. Yeah. And it's like, and that's balancing that, that's a lot, man. It's a lot. And I think it, you know, I have a lot of respect for people who choose monogamy. Like, I know, I have thought about it. I've done the work and I know that this is what I want to do. I have a lot of respect for people who choose non-monogamy. I just think the ideas that you should choose. And your choice isn't set in stone because you're always growing and changing. So exploring it and confronting some of the maybe internalized things, especially like men have ideas

about what I'm talking about cisgender men, and I'm talking about cis-gender men, cis-strait relationships. Like men have certain ideas about what they're supposed to be. Women have certain ideas about what they're supposed to be. And I think it's wonderful that, you know, we're opening things up and talking about other ways of doing things, just because I've always been an expansive person. Sure. I think it's good to do that. I think it's good to just get in touch with yourself and also to know what did you learn along the way and what is actually what you believe. And I think we internalize so much stuff from like Disney movies and, you know, rom-coms. And there's a lot of very harmful messages where we're normalizing codependency and we're

normalizing like obsessive behaviors. And like you see some stuff on older movies and I'm like, oh God, that's not so healthy. Did you see the whole, because I agree with, I think it depends on the movie you're talking about, right? For sure, because I do think that there's, I think that's accurate, but then I think there's times like, do you see this whole thing that's going on with Rachel Zegler? Mm-mm. So Rachel Zieg. I'm quite out of the loop on a lot of things.

That's fine. That's fine. Rachel Ziegler, who was the actress who was in West Side Story, the Spielberg one, and then she was recently in Shazam, and I think she's a really good actress, but she's got cast. is the new snow white. And she's in with Gal Gadot, who plays the stepmother. And on the carpet on like D-23, she was talking about how it was, you can have these ideas of what the old school movies are, and I think that's fair.

But she was kind of like talking down to the people that loved it or the idea of love in general, right? Because she said that the whole time she's like, and then she has like this prince who's like a stalker kind of weird, weird. and it's like, he's, and my friend's on double-toasted said it, too. He's just boring. He's not, he's not really a stalker. I think in Cinderella, it's more of a stalker situation.

He finds a slipper and he, like, hunts her down. But they had a great night together. Okay. They had a great night. He just, like, he's like, who's that broad? He's like, he had a great night together. They had a couple of dances. And she bailed on him.

They had, like, a great night, and they bailed. I don't know. But this woman on TikTok actually had this whole response to it and said, like, and Cinderella, in general, she's like, people kind of, downplay like the Disney princesses and Cinderella in general. And she goes, Cinderella, yeah, okay, the part she wanted, she wanted to find love. She wanted to find princess. Like, is it's so wrong to find love. She was imprisoned. She was abused. She was abused. She was an abusive, 100%. And she fought out of it. And she fought away and it wasn't,

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We already been doing this for 45 minutes. Unbelievable. Time flies, man. It does. It's nuts. What are you, what's going on for the rest of the week? What is it today? Weekend, I guess.

Friday? Yeah. I don't even know a weekend plans? Not really. No, just kind of chilling. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I try to not structure time too much when I have free time, which isn't often.

So what are you, because back in the day. Maybe some beach. It's going to be nice. Okay. Yeah, it's so funny, though, too, because it is, like, you're, I can never really tell just some more conversations. Right. It's like, because I, I guess, 10 years ago, I'm going, what are you doing? We go, I'm probably going to watch an old Lawrence, or, watch, what's his face, Peter O'Toole movie or I'll watch this. Lawrence Brave is a commitment. I don't know if I'm going to do that. That's why I just changed it to Peter O'Toole. But just I'll watch a Peter O'Toole movie.

I'll do this. So now it's different. Your love for cinema is still there. Yeah, no, I love movies and I love TV shows. I just don't have the bandwidth as much. I mean, my days are pretty. It's interesting because when you work as a therapist, your time is so, it's like being a Swiss train. Yeah.

You have 50-minute sessions. Sometimes they're longer, but you have a very, like my schedule looks like, it looks like a Tetris. Like there's, you know. So I have to structure my time. I have to fit things in. I have to be really sort of granular about it. So when I have like a weekend, I'll probably end up catching up on a lot of paperwork

and that sort of thing, which is really boring. But if it's nice, I might get on a bike and go to the beach. I don't know. That's nice weather. Yeah. It's a strange weather. That hurricane hit for like a day and then I went away. But I was driving back from Las Vegas.

Oh, so you got hit. Oh, wow. So you probably get hit pretty bad. Yeah. And it was so crazy because they closed. the roads at like Barstahs, so I had to go through the Mojave, which is right where it was, but I'm Canadian, I was like, it's a little rain, it's okay, but it was pretty gnarly driving. I'm sure it was at that point. Like, here wasn't, it was like, we had worse rain in like February

March. Yeah, it rained all winter. It rained for a while the most. I did not sign up for this. No, not here. This is not, most of us that live here are, you know, a lot of people are from cold places and we were all like, vitamin D. I remember we had on, so, it's so funny, like a week before, So Andrea Rysborough was, she got nominated for the Oscar. I saw that. She was on the show. Like two weeks before she was nominated for the Oscar, she came into the show. And it was pouring when she came in.

Like she, and she's little, right? She's one of the coolest people I've met. She's a great, great actor. But she was, I was worried that the wind was coming so strong. It was going to blow her over into this pool of water that was, because we were walking through. And I was like being so protective, but like, not in an obvious way, but I'm just like, it was windy.

I was getting pushed and the amount of like puddles and all that. I was like, what is this? This is in California. But that was not the case for the hurricane. And that's what everybody didn't hit here. You're on the west side of Los Angeles. It was like rain. Right.

It was just rain. Of course. There were other places that got hit hard. But if you listen to the news and you went to the supermarkets, it was like the walking dead. People are throwing things off the shelf. And I wanted, Miriam wanted some honey turkey. It's all I wanted.

My wife went to the supermarket. She's like, line was too long. You're not getting your honey turkey. And I'm like, stupid hurricane. Yeah. But it's crazy. But, you know, to speak to mental health again, because there it is. But, you know, when I don't watch television news, I consume news with reading.

And I'm very intentional because I feel like pretty much every news channel, televised news outlet, whatever. It's entertainment now. It's just let's get eyeballs. So they find out that there's a hurricane hitting. California, which doesn't happen. And they're just like, storms. You know, look out. Everybody's going to die. And it's just like, it just is never

as bad as they say. And I feel like it's just not good for people. People get scared. They get anxious. They get irritable. They drive like crazy. And that's what they hope for. For the ratings. So they get more so because of that person and the accident, then they go, look at this.

There's an accident that happened and that was related to the story that we put out there and we caused it. And it's our fault. Oh, and by the way, there was also an earthquake. That was nuts. That was, you know, an Ohio. Yeah. Like, I saw some, the funniest, well, I say funny because I know they both survived.

But the footage I saw, there was this woman and she's like in her kitchen and just, the shaking is insane. Yeah. And she just runs outside. Three seconds later, her kid comes running out after her. How about you get the kid first? That's pretty funny. It's funny what we do. when like, when the gloves are off and it's survival.

But I mean, I know myself well enough because, like, I would say back in the day when I didn't have kids, if I was going to, if I was like, well, what would I do? I would definitely go out and my kids. I would get my kids and my dogs and my lizard. I don't get all of them. Yeah, I'm happy, because I think there are people that you, that would ask themselves that question, like, what would I do? And I, for our kids, I definitely would answer that question. I just know now.

Like, I absolutely. Well, you know how you know, because it's like if you're, walking on the street, you ever notice, like, if one of my kids is on the, I'm like, nope, you go to the buildings. And it's like, why? If a car comes careening off the road, we're both, but just, but it's all, no, it's fine, but it's also one of those things, too. Like, I do it all the time or not, and not necessarily just for a car, my, my oldest is a little kind of like, like, I don't want to step in the street. The whole generation is nuts. They're all like, I mean, it's screens. I'm sorry. We were the last generation of like, nobody has any record of what I

did when I was 16. Thank God. It's a good thing. You know, it's gone. I know. It lives only in my memory and barely. So you think satellites somewhere. Oh God. It's scary. Yeah, it's true. Who knows what they have? You believe in these UAPs, man, UFOs. Or what is the other one that birds are actually government drones. Oh my God. It's there's so much craziness out there. But there actually are UFOs apparently. Aliens are real. That's what I'm saying. He's been saying it for years. He has been saying we've been we do an episode of this show every Tuesday where it's just it's because it's uapes now oh right what is it unidentified aerial phenomenon or there someone told me was something else but it's one of those two um and myself and riley actually talk about it every tuesday but like

yeah the it's yeah i will but when we but that's the whole point where you just talking about like the news right it was one of the things that pissed me up the most because i'm not necessarily mean i have my own theories about it about what this guy said and and um let's say hypothetically, there are aliens, whatever he said, bodies. My thing more so was, we have these military pilots who have seen things. This is no longer like, oh, there might be stuff out there. There's stuff, and we don't know what it is, but there's stuff out there, and it should be investigated, and we should get any information that they have,

and they have these hearings on it, because at what point, both Matt Gates and AOC are on the same page, and some people are like, well, they're funding something together, they're working on the same project. That's nonsense. and you have all these Republicans and Democrats and the number one story on all the news sites was Hunter Biden, Trump, the serial killer in Long Island

and then some outlets didn't even cover it. A fucking UAP hearing which whether you believe in it or not like wait a minute everyone should know that they're talking whether you think it's crazy or not it should have been the top story that government it wasn't like three people

but then to go back to news news organizations are owned by people who have interests and pockets and money that they put in other people's pockets. And they call, they don't cover that story. Yeah, for sure. Barrier. Yeah, bury it. Yeah, bury it. 100%.

Listen, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I believe the earth is round. What? But also, like, there are definitely a lot of things that we probably are shielded from, don't know about. I mean, for our safety, but, you know. Right. And I think sometimes that might be accurate, but other times it's narcissism. And I think that it comes to this very similar to what we were talking about before,

this want to hold on to power and information because, again, hypothetically, if you had that kind of information that you were holding on to and your organization was holding into, it's major power. Well, you know, the person who sent me the article that we talked about, Che Johnson, who's a dear friend and colleague of mine, he'll say things like, narcissism is literally going to kill us all. And it's true because, again, it's like when you live in a culture that, you know, glamorizes, normalizes, celebrates, rewards narcissistic behavior,

of course it's going to make more of it. We're talking about it now, and I think it's kind of one of those terms that's overused. Like, in fact, people with narcissistic personality disorder are rare, but there are a lot of narcissistic people. And there's a big difference. I just read that recently that, I think. that the condition itself is like, was it 1% or something? Well, it's tricky because narcissistic personality disorder is one of the hardest things to diagnose

because most people with it don't think they're the problem and don't go to therapy. Like, it's just, it's a hard thing to measure. It's hard to get the data. Hard to get the data. It's different than depression and anxiety, which people are like, I'm really depressed. I'm really anxious. Yeah. But often people with Cluster B personality disorders, I get really nerdy here.

I'm not going to do it. But Cluster B personality disorders, which is histrionic, borderline narcissist, they typically have relational issues and often don't necessarily or can't understand that their behaviors are the problem. Like they don't, it's sort of a different. Everyone else is the problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's what we call ego, egosentonic, ego dystonic.

I'm remembering from my clinical exam, which was really fun. Yeah. And so it's been, yeah, so you've been, so I guess is what, seven years now? You've been? Yeah, I went back to school. Oh, my God, it's already seven years. Wow. Time flies, Mirjatican.

Time flies when you're like changing your whole life. I know. And time flies, look at this. We're ready. We're ready at 55 minutes. Unbelievable. That it? I think so.

Wow. I'm going to have to come back. Yeah, I would love to have you back. We just, and now that we know that for sure you only live like 10, 15 minutes away. Yeah. So, and I think that the last thing I took to kind of maybe close off this conversation on the strike and mental health.

Yeah. I think that the other thing that you kind of touched on quickly, but it's the amount of, I think what really leads to all this is the exhaustion. Because just thinking of. about in general with with when you work too much and as you said yeah you're having fun but when you I've been doing a lot of like for me I was working to the last two years on this channel to before you always were a work and I think and yeah and like when I would yeah and when I and but I and I had to and that was when I had a I had a crew I had you to help I had I had I had Mark I was really even when I was

for the last year and a half or year rather once I left skybound and I was doing it here I would push myself, you know, and just push, push, push, well, yeah, you know, I got to get it done. I have to do this. I have to do this. I have to make sure I can do this, I got to make sure I can do this, I got to do that, and I just keep myself going. And if I walk in and I'm like, my kids are like, you know, dad, let's play. I'm like, all right, let's do it. I'm not giving them

the full attention. And recently I've been, and I've been, I don't want to get too much into it, but I was talking about like the manifestation and things and I was listening to certain authors and my life has just been so and people don't understand

kind of, and I didn't, what manifestation really is, right? It's not like, you don't just put it out into the universe and then tomorrow, it's like, it's a lifestyle. And it's like, it's like, you have to have a certain, you can work hard, but it doesn't have to be the thing that defined you. It doesn't have to be, you can have like, like, you know, I always told me, I said, well, if I take an extra hour, then it's an extra hour I don't have. And I'm like, no, like, last week, I took a break and and I took my wife to lunch. And I did this. And I went and I, and I was like, no, I'm going to take these moments. And I'm, I did what I had to do. I'm going to stop. Now I'm going to go in. And, And it's like, I'll get to it when I get to it.

And I, like, my demeanor hasn't changed. I think it's gotten better on the show. Well, that's what happens. You're talking about sustainability. And, you know, Emily Nagoski wrote a book called Burnout because this is such a big problem. Again, it's like we are rewarded for productivity. We're rewarded for output. And we glamorize workaholism when in reality, it's killing us.

And it's terrible for you. And cortisol and stress are like the worst things for you. And it's great to hear that you. you build in some like downtime. And for me, what's great is I, I work with a lot of like super achiever perfectionistic type A personalities. And we have these mechanisms when we're that way

that if I don't do that, I'm not worthy. I'm not as worthy in the world. And that's all bullshit. Right. But what's interesting is, as you are mentioning, when people start to slow down and they start to build in self-care. Self-care is like another one that's talked about a lot,

but really the best way to measure self-care is do I feel better, more clear, more grounded, more energized after I engage in that activity. So it's often free, hiking, playing with your kids, meditating, like doing things that feed your soul and help you go on. It's funny how, like, sometimes doing less helps you do more. It's amazing. Yeah, like, so just, just, and just changing like a routine, right? Like, so I have the same routine, like, every morning. Like, and I'm, I think people, like, people would call, would call you out if they think you're full of shit. Like I literally wake up every morning and I have AG1.

Like it's on my shelf back there. It's so good. It's all vitamins. What is it? Oh, it's like it's just vitamins all in one shot. It's like a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, I'm just going to take it. I'm just going to take it. I, I, I think I have some packets if you want to, but I, but I, and as I said before, when we were, when we're talking about the sponsor, like, I, too many vitamins you have to take throughout the day.

I just, it's all one scoop. I do it. And I say, anyway, take it in the morning. and then it's cut down my coffee. I used to do two, three cups coffee a day. I do basically a half a cup of coffee now because A.G1 gives me enough energy. Then I take the dog on a walk. I save the stuff that I need to say and my own routine that I have.

And I put myself in, I've just been in so much more of a better mood and just kind of like, yeah. So it's been good. It's been good. But my point of it is when you get to this place when you aren't like people who are picketing right now, stressing out about work, the other side of like there is so much. exhaustion that is probably just really weighing down. And time terror, fear. Yeah, yeah.

People are really scared. You know, it's interesting when I became a therapist, you have to take care of yourself as a therapist or you can't take care of other people. Right. So working in a helping profession has helped me learn to help myself and do all the things that you're talking about. And I hope that people picketing and people that are really affected by the strike are taking little moments to just like be with their families and take care of

themselves. And it's easier said than done. And also, I think the big thing is like, don't beat yourself up if you can. Like if it's just too hard, getting angry at yourself that you can't get it drop in to meditate is not going to make you feel better. That's one of the things that I again have been learning through the last couple of months of this stuff too. It's like it's not a matter of going, oh, I was supposed to think in positive ways and I thought negatively. So I'm screwed now. It's like, no, acknowledge it.

Figure out, you know, instead of saying, well, what did you do wrong? It's like, no, okay, what can you find from that and what can you do kind of moving forward? But we'll talk about this and more next time. Yes, we will. So are you just, so what are you, are you, are you, you got anything, your podcast? What are you, what's going on? Okay. With a couple of colleagues.

Okay. So people want to find you. Oh, um, well, Instagram is Mary Jettiken. Okay. I have therapy withmery.com is my website. Okay. If you're interested, I tell you more about what I do. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, I don't really use, what is it now X? Twitter. I don't, I don't, I don't use it to promote the shows, but I'm not only that much. Yeah. And then that's really it. I'm not like super active on social media only because I'm really, busy with clients most of the time.

And then by the time I'm done, I'm like, I just want to look at dog videos. Understood. Again, happiness. Well, I'm glad you made it in. It was long overdue. I know. So many years. I just said the pandemic like swallowed everybody a whole.

It was like, oh, three years just kind of went. That's weird. Well, next time you can join me and Brett, and he'll be here. Yeah, because Brett's usually here all the time. He's going to be here today. He just couldn't make it. But all right. Mary Jeddick and everybody, once again, so glad to have her back.

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