The Kristian Harloff Show - THE PENGUIN FINALE SPOILER DISCUSSION + he returns for The Batman 2 and 3!

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

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Season one comes to an end. Is it going to be a season two? Well, it looks like the rumor is that the penguin is going to show up in the Batman 2 and the Batman 3. It's not even a rumor. We know he's coming to two and it looks like three. The question overall is going to be, have you guys seen last night's episode? Because if you didn't, we're going to spoil the shit out of it, at least in the beginning. And then we'll jump.

So just be prepared for that. It's going to be a long conversation about this show. One of the greatest shows probably in quite a while, and HBO did a great job with it. So Roka and I will be discussing this show to a T. So it is Monday. Happy Veterans Day to everybody. Let's get into the show myself. John Roka, here we go all.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the show, as I mentioned before, happy Veterans Day. And someone I like to say, Happy Veterans Day, too. is Mr. John Rooka. Happy Veterans Day, sir. You're welcome. Yes. You need me on that wall. You want me on that wall. That's right. That's right. There we go. Well, welcome, welcome, welcome back. Everybody, of course, happy Veterans Day. Thank you all for your service.

My fellow soldiers, yeah. Yes. So I'm going to, I got to make sure that after we get off the phone or off the show, I'm going to call my dad as well. So anyway, it is great to have you, my friend. and I'm wondering if you love this finale as much as I do. Are we just going to jump into it? Is that what we're doing? Jump right into it. Okay.

Do you want non-spoiler or spoiler? We're going to spoiler. People know I put it in the, I put it in the headline, the thing, we're talking spoilers here. What we will do is, you know, people always break my chops now about the time codes. It ain't easy. All the stuff I'm doing. It's, it's, it's tough. Yeah.

I know. I'm with you. We talk about so many things on our shows. Time codes can be so. The last thing you want to do after our two-hour show or an hour show is to go to, it's just so exhausting. I promise I just don't have the time. So what I do is there's a really great viewer who does it and puts it in the,

and puts it in the comments. I cut and paste it and I put it in the freaking description once he's done with it. Because I just don't have the time. I'm like, I try so hard to, like the second I'm done, the first thing I got to do is, is take this footage and put it up on Spotify because God forbid, If I forget it on Spotify, the Spotify listeners let me have it. So I do that. I'm making sure that everything is set.

And then I'm jumping into other channels and doing the things. I've got to go into the city tonight to go watch Nosferatu. So I just don't have enough time. Yeah, I just don't have enough time. But we will make sure that people know that this is going to be a full-on, heavy discussion. So if you want to put your questions in there, John and Steph annihilated last week. John came onto the show on Thursday, and they did. 202 questions.

Now, John's... I know. John is starting off the week again. He's already started with eight thus far, getting into the show. So, all right, John, let's get into this conversation, my friend. And that, of course, is the penguin. And the first, we'll just start with this story that is out. And that, of course, is that the penguin is set for the next two Batman films. With HBO's, the penguin having just wrapped its first season,

and Farrell has made it clear that this won't be the last we'll see of the Oz Cobb character. When the show's launch press was underway, he detailed the grueling makeup he had to go through the character before Addy. I never want to put on that effing suit on the effing head again. However, the series launched and scored a critical acclaim with fan praise, awards buzz, and strong ratings that have grown as the season progresses. We do know that Farrell is expected back for the Batman Part 2, but it turns out that the actor has signed. up for the whole trilogy he tells a reporter that he's keen to see how the story of the tv series will impact his character in the films going forward i signed up for three batman films but i didn't know if i'd be in the second film what i'm most excited slash nervous about in the second film is not

what oz does or what predicaments he finds himself or what moments of success he gets to experience but what his voice is how is his personality it was it was forming and changing in the limited series and by the end of the eight episodes it is um i can't even see that word is it concluded into i can't even see the word i'm sorry into something else there is a degree of almost delusion psychopath i did i can't see anything i can't see anything this freaking screen why is it out of focus what's that i don't know why it's out of focus but okay so we get just anyway so how long is this uh how how how how is that taken up in the second film i was told i'd have five or six scenes i don't have any hopes or expectations i'm really an open book

And that's the way I get, and that's the way I get excited by. I don't know why this thing's out of focus. I apologize. But the point is this. The point is that he's going to be in those two movies. And we look, if this series hadn't happened at all, and still be excited that he was going to be in two and three. Sure.

Yeah, because he did such a good job in the Batman. Right. And had great interactions with him and Robert Pattinson and, and the commissioner Gordon. Yeah, but Jeffrey Wright. to but now but now i'm like now i'm like i i want him to be he wanted him to be the main villain in the second one and i and like he's what they did in this show and again i'm spoiling for people they did this so well because i'm watching this episode and i feel like this is the majority of people

you're watching the back and forth the cat and mouse that him and sophia have together and it's just brilliance between colin feral and um and christin miliotti of what they did and you're watching and you get to a point where you it's like the same thing with uh with walt from breaking bad you know he's a bad dude but you're rooting for him and i'm rooting for oz and then when vick pulls that move and gets a triad involved and they and they kind of changed it up and i that threw me off because i was like oh the old man's going to be in on it and he wasn't in on it it was the younger generation that looked it was it was it was great the fact that he's like listen you're looking down in these people and they're all the ones that want to rise up and that he and he that's ultimately what oz was right so that has

happens and I'm like all right they did it I'm on board I'm loving what I'm loving what he's doing here and then they made you fall in love with Vic they just made you fall in love with what he's done what he's doing the thing that he how loyal he is to Oz and then when they're sitting on the thing I don't know if you did a reaction to it but I did a reaction to it yeah and I'm sitting there and I'm going and he's like I'm family and he's like I can't I can't have you coming with me this time or whatever else was like oh he's dead me I'm going what do you mean what you do you let him go and then he grabs his neck and i'm like and on the on the thing i'm like you fucker i was so mad and it was i hated it so much but it was the right move because i

hated him so much and you do not like him now you absolutely everything every bit of goodwill that he that that was given that you're like oh i like him i'm rooting for him to win you're like patinson get in here and snap this dude's neck So I don't know. How did you feel about the overall episode? Oh, I love the episode. I thought it was a great finale because I know a lot of people coming out of the last episode, we're a little nervous. I think maybe even when you touched on it last week when we talked about it. Like, are they going to land the plane? Because that was like we're going back in time. Why are we doing a flashback episode?

Vic is barely in this episode. What's going on here? But it was all laying the groundwork for the greatness that we were going to get in this episode, which was the longest episode of the season. That's the way it should be. Finale should be longer than all the other episodes. going to wrap everything up in a good way. And we had some fantastic interactions. Great writing here from Lauren LeFrank, who is the showrunner. Really did a great job here. The director, Jennifer, I forget her last name, but she did a fantastic job directing this episode as well, getting us into the emotions of what was going

on with these characters and going through that journey. And look, remember, they're all criminals. So yeah, we're cheering for Penguin, but he's just like the criminal we know because of how we've been told and seen the story. So we cheer for him over the other criminals. But they're criminals and it was very believable that Sophia was a step or two behind because as bad asses people want to make her be she's very new at this penguin is smarter than her penguin has come up from the ground up he is more wily than she is so it made sense that he'd get the jump on her in two separate moments in this episode and it was a fate worse than death going back to arkham for her she probably would have preferred to be killed rather than they head back to arkham but the stuff with

Vic is so, it's going to be controversial. We're going to battle about it on the geek buddies this week for sure. Tomorrow I think we're going to do our spoiler view because I've been saying that he's going to turn good because he's always been a good kid. He's just a kid who was lost, taken in after his family was killed, and he got in with a bad mentor like Penguin, but he learned some things in order to survive and he was finding his voice and figuring things out, but he didn't do anything villainous throughout the whole series, right?

He killed a couple of guys, but they're criminal. So it's not quite the same thing. He's not killing innocent people. He's not shaking down people like Rex did in the last episode or wanting to kill Penguin as a young kid like Rex was going to do. He had a good heart. And at the end, Penguin kills him because he says, I can't have a family time.

I knew as soon as he said, your family, I was like, oh, fuck, Penguin always kills his family. And sure enough, he killed him. I have my own theories if he's actually dead, but he killed. Well, we'll talk about that in a second. He's dead as a door-knill. but uh but there is a but i think that the whole point is that you're right like he was family and he realized that that's what they that's what sophia and moroney used against him with by taking his mom and he's like

and he's like i can't because they say at one point they're like okay here is the guy who is um able to uh he he doesn't have any ties what are we going to do what are we going to use and then he find his mom and they used that and once he he went through all that he didn't want to do it again and he's like, no, I can't. And I got to kill Vic because I don't want any more emotional attachments. I don't want any more family. I don't want anything hold me back. And, you know, he's sitting there and he's going through all this stuff and telling me the guy, he's a good guy and telling him all these different things.

But he's like, the whole point for him is just, now I have nothing. I have absolutely nothing that people can use against me anymore to do this. And then you get to that scene where he's got the top hat and all that. He's perfect. The mama issue stuff he's got going on at the end. And then the second they pull back, I was screaming. I'm going, throw the sign up, throw it up. And then the Batman sign goes up.

And it was pretty beautiful. Yeah, I thought that was cool too. But I mean, his mom is still alive. So I have to push back on your notion. And I saw other people. You're not the only one who said that. His mom is still alive. So his mom can still be used by someone else, another criminal who wants to fuck with him.

So I don't think he got rid of his family. I think Victor, he saw Victor as a good man. Victor could maybe turn him back from what he needs to do and he knows he needs to be ruthless and a full on evil criminal in order to succeed to be top of the pile in Gotham. Victor is too good. He even says as he's choking him out,

you're a good man, Victor, you're a good man. It's because he knows that Victor has a good heart and a good compass and he would make him question. I'm not saying he didn't kill him also because of the family stuff, but I think also because he knows that Vic is a good person that would eventually convince him not to do certain things he needs to do in critical moments well i don't think i i agree and disagree with with that i i think he's if this is a guy who took his two brothers out this is a guy for for more

attention with his mother this is a guy who has is all about himself overall and knows he's got to do the things he's got to do i don't think he ever had there's there was nothing inside of this season that i ever felt well as might actually be a good guy and do the right thing here and i don't think no matter who the good person is around him. I think that he understands that the person is that Vic was good. And I think that he knows his mom's, yeah, she's alive, but not really. I mean, he even said, he's a vegetable. He's, he's aware that he's got nothing. Even if, if she's killed, he's like, she's been gone. So he's, it's just, it's the attachment thing. To me, I think it's more so the attachment. He doesn't have anything now. He's got absolutely nothing.

And that might be true because we saw him earlier in the, in the season. and you know he has that moment after vick has killed squid he has that moment with him he's like it gets easier it gets easier he does all of that to comfort vic vick's loss of his family even when vic gets hit by the crowbar and uh francis is taken he doesn't get mad at vick or beat up vick or you know he says to him don't worry about your guilt go get me an army fuck you guilt yeah yeah so those are caring moments so i think he does have a semblance of good in him penguin does in terms of with the relationship to victor and i think that's a dangerous thing for him and that's that's why he cares about him i don't know but i don't know if good i don't know if good is the

word i think he cares if i think he cared about him i think that and that was more so where the attachment came in where it's like he just knew that he doesn't want to be in a position again where here's this guy who he's he cares for him he knows that he's going to be um he's got an emotional attachment to him and he doesn't need that again and now it's just he he's just cut his he basically cut his own heart out is what he just did and he's a soulless creature just walking around and it is and he's the king right now and you absolutely hate him for it well it's like what happened at the end of agatha right they had to remind you that agatha is a villain she is a villain and at the end of agatha all along although we like her going with uh going with a billy there she still did some villainous stuff at the end there

that reminded you she is inherently a villain and so is bingwin and he had to do this in order to establish himself as a villain but again i don't think victor i think victor might not actually be dead there are there's no reason for him to take the money out and throw the id there's symbolism in that you when you've watched enough shows you know that this could be symbolism of him washing away his identity by throwing away the driver's license yes you could also say oh yeah well that's so they don't know who the body is and i didn't connect them to to penguin and what have you But it's, to me, I said this in my reaction last night, which will be out later this afternoon, that I think he is, he could be Jason Todd.

He could be the Red Hood. And the reason is because he got hit by the crowbar, like Jason Todd beat him. The Joker killed him with the crowbar and death of family. But it was penguin who chokes him out. So it's still a villain. He was hit by the crowbar by Sophia. So there's little things. And throwing away his ideas, essentially washing away his old identities soon to be someone new.

And the Lazarus pit, Razagul, it becomes back through that. I know a lot of people said, well, Matt Reeves, he's grounded. He doesn't do those fantastical things. You know, at some point, it's Batman. You're going to have to veer into the fantastical. I trust Matt Reeves if he goes this route. And Laura LeFrank, if she goes this route, to find a way to make that work in a more grounded way

and bring him back from the debt. So as Red Hood, which would make sense. You have a better shot of Martin Sheen running for president tomorrow and winning than you do Renzi-Flease coming back as Robin. Yeah. People said the same thing about me saying Luke was going to show up in at the end of the Mandalorian season 2 and he did. Well, I wouldn't have argued on that. That to me made that to me made the most sense.

This doesn't because this is why there's two things that they do. And we're going to be talking about Lucasfilm in just a second. This is where I compare everything of what right now, what DC did well with this show and what Lucasfilm does terribly. Right. So one of the things that Lucasfilm does. really bad is hey here's a villain but they're not really bad like here's a villain let me guess reeve is going to turn good let me guess that person's going to turn good let me guess that person is they never keep anybody bad they didn't do that with the penguin

they the penguin is out there and you're like this guy oh man i feel i i kind of like this guy is i hate this guy and what and what they did right with that particular thing the other thing that they do well is they keep people dead and Marvel and Star Wars are just like, Marvel's the worst at it. Everybody's alive. Yeah, nobody really dies. There's a multiverse.

There's an infinite amount of people so they can come back at any time. And it diminishes the effect of it. And I think that if he pops back up, I think it diminishes this show. And I love, look, I love Renzi Fleas. I got a chance to talk to him. You know that.

Like, I just, the kid is, he's, it reminded me like when I first spoke to Sholo Medadadadaduania, you're back at Clyder and like that kid just has his head on his shoulders same with this guy um but i don't want to see him back it i think it i think it hurts if they do that so i i think there's no shot in hell that it happens well don't you think well first of all you know it's going to be james gun who makes the decision right ultimately uh if he comes back or not i mean matt reeves has his fiefdom but it's james and james guns king so he'll decide but i think it does work if you bring him back because who's the one person who worked for people who's the one person who worked for

penguin who could mess with him emotionally in a situation if he was to reveal himself again, it would be a victor. And Victor as a new person, uh, as the Red Hood. And the Red Hood fights villains and heroes at the same time. He fights villains and he also fights the hypocrisy within some of the stuff that's going on on the supposedly good side. So the fact that he could walk that line would make sense for me with Victor. So if there's a way that makes sense for them to do it, I think it would still work because bringing him back to confront the penguin that would be something that would shock Oswald. And right now, as you said, so well, Christian,

Oswald coming out of this series is not the Oswald we see in the Batman. This is a much more seasoned, a much more formidable foe for the Batman. He got the best of him in the Batman. And the Batman part two, it might be Oz who gets the best of the Batman there. So I love that. You come out looking at him like, oh, this is a guy that you clearly cannot fuck with anymore. That's why I think it just, again, I just think it diminishes it if you bring him back because it's also with the other reason

would diminish it to me is because here he is he's choking this guy out he takes the license throws it into the water and what's he just do with the body just leaves the body and goes let me check his pulse nah I'm gonna check his pulse I'm gonna leave a lot he's like no he probably chopped them up and put him in a in the ground somewhere it's like

we don't know right we don't necessarily know but it would be it would it would really diminish him if he was so calculated in everything that he did and then it's like but the guy that I killed I'm just going to him out not check his pulse and just leave him there and maybe he's all right and then he pop i'm jason todd now and it's like i don't know i don't know i'm i'm like a lot of your theories but this one i'm not

buying it i'm not buying it i'm sorry well he'd be red hood he wouldn't necessarily have to be jason todd yeah but i think i think uh if he would have survived then then i think you had an argument no because jason todd dies and comes back from the dead to become red hood so he has to die in order to become Red Hood. Yeah, but the other problem is this. It's like, yes, there are a lot of people who watch this show. It was a very popular show. The problem is when you, when you realize, as we've seen with movies

with Marvel and TV, if you're relying on people that they had to have watched your show in order to know what's going on. Like, if he just shows up as Red Hood in a movie and people who didn't watch the penguin, well, who the hell's that? Wow. Because

You know my opinion. Fuck them. Watch them. Well, I know, but it's not not everybody can do that right and i think that you're right it because i do think i think you should watch this show and i think that when you see the batman two the penguin is that much more devastating but i don't think that it relies on you watching the show i don't think you have to because he's already been in the the batman part one so if you're going to see the batman part two and you didn't see penguin you're going uh oh okay there he's back again and then someone goes you better watch how he got to this position of power because it is

devastating how he did it. So, yeah, man, I'm, I'm pretty, I'm pretty pumped. I'm pretty pumped for the future of this and him coming back. And we didn't really discuss that, but him coming back makes a lot of sense. Oh, yeah, 100%. I mean, I think that's part of the reason why Colin walked in to do the series. I mean, first of all, it was incredibly well written. Yes. And he got some great moments to sign, especially in the finale with that interaction with him and his mom as she's in her vegetative state, like the breakdown. That's, that's the Emmy right there. if he wins it that's the emmy scene but like there was so much going on that he that you bring about his incredible talent through the prosthetics and so for me that's that's why you bring him back to do

all these things and now that's the bar by the way so with all these actors coming in to play villains in the batman universe Colin farrell's the penguin is the bar so you've got to kind of beat that if you really want to be memorable in what you take on uh looking at you barry keogun and other people so yeah What did you think about that story? We covered it on Friday, but that Barry Kugan might get the Joker series. Yeah, Jeff and I talked about it on the hot mic, because James Gunn put the kibosh on it later in the day. Oh, he did. Jeff pushed back on it.

It was like, oh, you know, James Gunn has said one thing and done another, changed his mind already about how he's doing this whole process. So, you know, you kind of, I look at the situation. I think it would be fun to see a series with the Joker. I don't know how that would work because he's an unreliable narrator and would you really be invested? I said that maybe the best way through is like with the Brian Azarello Joker series

where we're seeing it through the eyes of a guy who becomes a henchman in his crew. So we're seeing the Joker through his eyes through the whole series. I think that could work be interesting or the Joker is in the series with Catwoman because that's something I'd heard months ago that the Catwoman series

was being developed with Zoe Kravitz. So when that letter was sent to Kristen at the end of the thing, I was like, oh, this is, this might be leading into that series. So we'll see. And I like, well, the other thing that it could be leading into is very well could be that. And I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. But the other thing that it could lead into is getting a Kristen Miliani appearance in the Batman 2, which I think would be. 100%. That should have.

Which would be very beneficial to everyone involved because she was a standout. I mean, she was so good in that show. And I thought at first. I thought that he was going to, you know, pop her. I was like, that's it. She's toast. And then when it made all the sense in the world, when he was talking to Billy Walsh about getting,

about getting her, you know, about him getting his accolades, everybody else. And that's how he ascended to the top. And then you get the police chief. Oh, now I finally get to check you out. It's like that guy. I love that guy. That guy is.

You're arrest. Oh, all right. You did your thing, Sophia. But now, now you're done. But like that whole thing was great and the way that they played that. And then even the thing that happened with Clancy Brown and the way that all went down. Yeah. That was such a, but there was such a breaking bad type moment.

It was, it was something that would happen at a wall. It was like in the middle of this thing, it looks like he's getting taken out. And then the guy drops dead of art attack. And he's, and then he's just shooting him on the floor. It was, yeah. And, oh, but we didn't even start about that opening scene, dude, with his mom. where she's let it when the the finger's going to get off she's like

I'm going to cut my finger off you prick right and then she's like I know that you did it and then just brutally just tearing into them finally getting it off her chest about everything and how smart they were with the way that they did that they start with the young actress playing the mom in the mirror but then yeah

but then showing her in that scenario it was it was so well done it was just so well done there was a brilliance to it I agree with you Christian such a brilliance to it and this also adds to the tragedy that is the undercurrent of the character, right? Look, what is the one thing he lies to himself about? And he does lie to himself, people trying to find the good in this guy. He lies to himself that he did everything for his mom. He did everything for himself. He killed his

brothers for himself so that his mom would be beholden to him. And look, that conversation, when we see the flashback, he is talking to his mom like a boyfriend, like a suitor. It is super unsettling. It's edible as shit. And so, when she breaks when she breaks down it tells him i know all about it and i've hated you since day one i've hated you every single day so when you go back and watch the scenes with them earlier in the in the series rather her being so supportive of him is like maybe in a way her wanting him to put himself in situations of danger or he gets killed and so it's not from a place of love and support it's from a place of anger and hatred towards him so when she breaks and stabs him with that

bottle, which is all the anger and pain for years that she's held on to because of her sons and seeing them there and has the stroke, once again, just like with Moroni, he is robbed of what he wants. Moroni has the heart attack. So he is kicking penguin's ass. He does not get a chance to win. It's something else. So he's like, no, no, I beat you. I beat you. No, you didn't. And then now I can't show my mom my success. She won't be able to tell me I'm great, you know. And so these little things, that are great for a character he's a villain he shouldn't get what he wants right there's so there's so much depth to it i was really it was just so well layered you know and like everything about that and i and i also got to give so much props to the kid who played young oz

yeah yeah he was phenomenally and not only was he so good in getting like the mannerisms down the waddle like all that stuff to where it didn't look like he was just doing an impression it looked like he transformed into what Colin Farrell really was doing there even like the little because each Gotham accent is like different but yeah yeah Oz's family has a very specific where they go the whole world and things like very old-timey 1930s type of gangster talk yeah yeah yeah but it wasn't like just Colin Farrell was doing that that's the way his mom talked the what's the way his brothers talked and that's the way this young kid portraying him talked in like in certain ways like somebody in Staten Island has a way thicker accent than someone in in Long Island, you know, and it's like,

or not like, you know, wherever, whether it's different parts of the island, different parts of Queens, there's different things. So the fact that they did that was really, really great. And I thought that kid did a great job. Yeah, Ryan Allen. Is that his name? Yeah, writer Allen. Such a good job. He was fantastic, that kid. Yeah. I mean, asking a kid to do a scene like that with an older woman and bring in the layers of like, you know, because he's essentially saying, you know, I want to be your boyfriend for the rest of your life. You're the love of my life saying all these things. Yeah.

Like having him play those levels, that takes a lot of talent for a young kid to really play those, those like multiple levels at the same time of what he's doing. And I thought, I agree with you. I thought it was fantastic. And Deidre as well, who I think people aren't talking enough about her. Agreed. As me, like a supporting actress nomination or whatever. She had to do like a, it's funny because you think when you first,

I think you just said it very well, because when you first introduced, her you're like oh this is the livia soprano yeah yeah right yes yes and she's not she she she isn't she breaks his balls and everything too and she's like oh that he's just really trying to live up to her and she's just but you find out why like Tony never Tony never killed janice you know what i mean tony never killed like this this guy like wiped out his two brothers so he could be close to his mother and she knew it and lived with it so of course there was a lot of pain side there the whole entire time So when you go back and you just kind of think about the scenes again, I'm sure like a rewatch when you're checking it out,

you make so much more sense. But just a great job overall. So those are our thoughts for the spoiler discussion on the penguin. I'm sure there's more of the super chats that we'll discuss later on. At the once we get to all the, basically the way it works is we go through all the main topics. And then at the end of all the main topics, we get to your questions already have like 30 plus already in there.

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reportedly seen as a safe choice. Oh, shit, to develop new trilogy despite past flops. So a new report details the thinking behind Simon Kinberg being hired to take charge of a new Star Wars trilogy, including why Lucasfilm thinks he's a good fit and exactly how far along these movies are. Why does you think he's a good fit? Because they have six people on their Rolodex. Last week, we learned that Lucasfilm and Kathleen Kennedy have turned to Simon Kimberg to write and produce a new Star Wars trilogy. There have been conflicting reports about whether these movies will serve as 10, 11, and 12 in the Skywalker saga.

However, most outlets have confirmed they won't be a continuation of that story. According to a new piece from Variety, the news came to a surprise to executives at Lucasfilm and Disney, but is considered internally to be in deep development and not. nearly ready to be made public. In other words, this could be another announced Star Wars project that fails to ever come to fruition. The trade acknowledges that many in the industry were shocked by Kinberg's hiring, particularly as his track record, as a writer is spotty at best. Fantastic Four, Last Stand and his original sci-fi movie, The 355, rank among his worst efforts. Despite that, his history working on franchises means Kinberg is seen on one level as a sensible and safe choice. love or hate them the movies he's written of gross over 3 billion worldwide and he's produced some hits beyond X-Men.

He said to understand how to talk to film executives about franchise filmmaking in a way that allies their concerns about creative decisions, affecting and costly bottom line for these kinds of projects. John, remember that. That's the line right there. But that's the line right there. That is the line of the topic of our conversation. Say it one more time just so the people in the back can hear that line again. He is said to understand how to talk to film executive.

about franchise filmmaking in a way that allies their concerns about creative decisions affecting the costly bottom line for these kinds of projects. The trade runs down Kinberg's many critical and commercial failures, but Reveals is hiring. In part, it is due to Kinberg's continuing creative relationship with Lucasfilm, as John said, Dave Faloni, and Carrie Beck. They worked with him on Star Wars Rebels, and Kennedy has made several attempts to bring the veteran producer back. into the fold. First, as part of a brain trust with Michael Arndt and Lawrence

Kazden, there you go. To come up with ideas for the sequels and later to work on the Strat Boba Fett movie with Josh Trank and a couple years later, James Mangled. Finally, it said, Kinberg's efforts aren't meant to create a new saga, but as the case with virtually all script

development, specific plot details and characters are light years away from taking their final shape, let alone arrive in theaters. And then I talk about everybody who's canceled. All right. So let me tell you this. Yeah, go ahead.

I'm going to start with defending them. Oh, okay. Everybody was, and I think that it was me, you, and Steph that were talking about it when the nose broke. The nose, the news, somebody knows is a year. But when the news broke and I said to you, because Steph was like, I don't know why they would announce this. And I say they didn't. They didn't announce it. I think this stamps, they didn't want this to come out.

I think that they did not want it to come out. I know that you have a different opinion on it, but I really, I really, I really don't. I think that they were like, why are we, people announce this? We don't know if it's going to happen or not. So that is where it's like, okay, it's, if things are in development all of the time. So, you know, people can come in and have a great meeting with someone. And if the type of shit, like I remember there were meetings that Tyler Perry had with Joe Silver and nothing ever came to be with it, right? But it was they were talking about working on something or whatever movie was and whatever. And if it was today, if somebody saw the meeting and someone go like Tyler Perry's doing something with Joel Silver he's going to be the next Matrix movie you know and it pops up and it just or he was going to write a new movie or whatever it's going to be and people then talk about it because if it's in development right so that stuff happens it's when they announced stuff and then it doesn't happen that when it falls apart you give them more shit on it

the problem is that line that we read twice yeah this is them going well what do we do I don't know. Call Simon. Call Simon. He knows that we've got to go back to the way that we're thinking in the late 90s or, you know, early 2000s. We just need somebody who can make a movie because we need to make money because Bob's breathing down our neck. Is he creative? It doesn't matter. He knows how to manage the budgets. He knows how to manage the budgets. He knows how to manage things. Quick, panic, panic, panic, panic. And it's like,

that's all that this is. This is, there's nothing there except, well, he care. Does he care about Star Wars? He does he like Star Wars? He does. He's a Star Wars fan. But he's not the right choice. And he's the he's an unsafe, he's an unsafe as far as creatively, but as they nailed it, safe because they know that he can get the job done and produce the movie. You and I, because we're sports guys, I can't help and you sometimes you can't help putting this in a sports context. And this is very much like a storied franchise hiring a safe coach. Yeah. Just to steady the ship for a little bit. And that's basically what this is. This is like when the old Redskins hired Marty Schottenheimer.

It was a nice choice to keep us out of the spur of your situation. We had to have a guy who kind of level things out before we moved on from or before the spur of your situation. They got to level out after a North Turner and that. So you see that all the time. And that's what this is. They know that they have been all over the place sporadic. The responses have been so strong, extreme one way or the other. They've got to bring someone. in in their minds who like knows how to traverse these waters a little more solidly and will get us back into a better place that's what they think right they're also opening the door to some very boring choices some very boring things to come

out yep and that in the end will bite them in the ass more than taking a chance you got the only honestly and i know this is controversy i don't give a shit laurence casden should be nowhere near this dude i think i think that's old though i think they were just saying in that article. No, no one over 40 should be involved in this anymore. That's my opinion. No one over 40 should be, and I know I'm over 40. So I'm, don't, don't come look at me. Don't give me a job. I wouldn't agree with that. I wouldn't agree with young people involved in this. Young people understand what people want in the Star Wars universe. Younger people want the Star Wars universe. This is who are going to keep watching your stuff for decades

forward. You've got to go and get, I mean, George Lucas wasn't 80 or 60 or 70 making Star Wars. He was a young man. We need young people back in the full. to understand what young people want to see, younger people want to see, and make Star Wars from there. That's what I think. So I don't, I don't disagree with the sentiment

that there should also be a lot of young voices. I don't think cutting people off at 40 is, is the way to go. I think that there's a lot of people that 40, 50, that can do it and really have some creative juice to it. But I do agree that you should have that, those young voices there also. But I'm not saying you can't hire directors over,

I know what I'm saying. I know, but creative executives do also need this. So I always said that I still, and this is every time I said that I'm going to say this, every time we have a Star Wars story, that if new viewers, people are sick of me saying it, I understand it, but I'm going to say it anyway, that you keep the video game people, you keep the animation people, you keep everybody that's doing stuff in the comics, you keep them as, keep them where they are. They're doing a good job.

You got to gut the TV and film department because of decisions. like this because this is the same stuff that's going to keep happening well philoni's friends with him so sign him up phlony is not the guy floney should be pushed back to animation he's not the guy and he is right now and he's not making any choices there are any good that are good for stores um and i think that this is why they continue to make decisions like this because they go well we know simon can put together a thing and and then dave will also say well i've got my ideas i talked to and and he's going to have even more power them with this new trilogy because he's going to be talking to kinberg about this stuff and then it's going to be all you know horrible writing throughout the whole damn thing i mean some of the writing in

asoka you want to take your head slam it through the wall awful um so i think that um i think that this is just you got it you got to gut it it's and and why in the world are they making decisions like this while they still haven't they have one movie that they've announced one movie and apparently they showed footage of it i don't have you hear anything about it the brazil i've not heard anything about that no because they showed it they showed it some stuff that in brazil um is that what it was it was a d23 brazil yeah d23 rizel was over the weekend that's what it was okay well they showed so they show i mean that's when all that stuff came out i guess with uh captain america and all that stuff um so they showed something i don't know if it leaked i don't know if anybody has seen it but

I don't know if there's any word about what they show it. I have no idea. But it's the only thing. We don't even know what's coming out in December of 2026. I don't think they do. Right. So the fact that they said this one is not anywhere near close to being done. I think now hearing that or reading that report and hearing that,

you're probably right that they didn't want this to leak. They probably wanted to announce it themselves at D23. Remember, Jeff broke the story that they would be. three new Star Wars films days before they announced it at Comic-Con or the D-23 that was going on there. And, you know, Star Wars fans got super mad and claimed that Jeff was crazy. And then they announced three new Star Wars movies, you know. And so these are these things you see. I don't, and Jeff checks with the studio before he does these things.

I don't know what the, what Fleming did. I don't know if he knew or got permission or was okayed by the studio. Because this is, I wonder if the studio let him do this to run it up the flagpole. to see what the reaction is, to see if they want to stay with Kinberg or not, and see if this got people back excited. But remember, Kenberg and Faloni work together. So I think goes back to your point here, man,

is this idea that this is like hiring an offensive coordinator that you've had, you've known and worked with for a long time. This is going to protect me for a little bit. And that's what I feel like with this hire with Dave, if Dave was involved in this hire, which I'd probably think he was, because he's the creative guy. Of course.

It was a matter of like, let me get my people around me, so I'm protected. And Kathleen Kennedy is also trying to make the safe move because she's trying to go over some wins. So she's like, I know Simon very well. And it's such a studio stupid thing. There's so many different times. Let's get Simon in here.

He knows where he's going to go. Simon has. She, it's once again, why in the world is she's still making these decisions? I don't. I just don't get it. And it's like, this is not something that's announced, as we said, to be fair to him. It's not announced. And it's, and it still has not been.

announce even after the report, but it's still, I don't know, man. It's, uh, it's my point. It's old guard bringing in old guard right to do old guard things. And that's what, and I'm not trying to be ages. It's more a matter of look, you want this brand to survive. You got to start appealing to the younger generations with the content. You got to bring people who are going to hit that sweet spot of 18 to 29 years old and get people back in love with Star Wars. The old Star Wars fans, they're going to do what they're going to do. And they're going to eventually die off. You've got to keep it's going. It's the reality of business. Well, but it is, but it was that it was my national pastime argument I gave you the other day, you know, which is like, which was where at one point,

you know, baseball was the national. Right. Yes. And it's like Star Wars was the big, picky IP. It was the one and nobody could touch it. And then it's like miss after miss after miss after miss. And it's just it's the third tier and DC hasn't even launched their new movie yet, especially after the penguin it's certainly the third tier and and it's so it's like and and i and the problem is i don't think they realize that they're the third tier right i think that i still think they're on top and it's like no you're you're you're really not your your stuff is pretty terrible um we can put it back together again what we want that's the mentality right and that's dangerous mentality to have yeah yeah um okay so let's now move someone just screamed the penguin finale i don't know what that means we talked about

it already but is that what they can't be asking that because clearly they're into they can't be asking that they can't ask if we talked about it that that makes no sense that someone would ask that it 45 minutes into the show um all right so let's get to this story because i haven't talked to you about this yet okay gladiator two oh so the score revealed as first reviews suggested it fall short of the 2000s gladiator to which i respond no shit was never going to And I saw everybody's review of going, well, it's, it doesn't do, it does not able to be as good as the first one. It never was going to be. Well, all right.

No, it never was going to be. We'll debate it. I hated, I hated that. Well, I was disappointed because it wasn't as good as the first one. Well, then you're an idiot for going into thinking it was going to be better than the first one. I, well, I'll talk about it. I enjoyed, I enjoyed the movie and I'll talk about it in a second. Okay.

The review embargo for Gladiator 2 is lifted, and that means we have an awesome. all-important Rotten Tomato score for Ridley Scott's long-awaited sequel. It may fall short of 2000's Gladiator. As we first reported on ActionNews.com, the first reviews are in for the sequel, and while they're largely positive, it appears that Gladiator II will struggle to live up to that beloved first installment, released in 2000 and won five Oscars, including Best Picture and Best Actor.

Excitement is still high for this follow-up, though, and it sounds like Gladiator 2 will be action-packed, enjoyable ride for fans, and even if it's unlikely to receive the same sort of awards attention. So I will say I agree with all of that. Variety's review suggests that the sequels lead Paul Meskel struggles to escape the shadow of his predecessor. Unfair. Russell Crow, unfair. So unfair.

They don't give him the same to do. So unfair. The way Meskle plays him with an anger that never quite simmers to a boil, we now can't help but see him as a millennial knockoff. I'm going to. That's a little far. Variety's ridiculous. Get your heads out of your asses. The Hollywood reporter echoes a statement with gladi or two might not have,

might not have a protagonist with the scorching power of Crow's Maximus. I'm getting, I'm getting tired of this. Because it's stupid. It's like the, because if you're going into that, look, the first thing that I said getting out of this movie was that it's a worthy successor to the first. Yeah, you did say that. That's my first point.

It's a worthy successor. Is it an Oscar winning movie like the first one? No, not even close. Not even close. Not even going to be in the conversation. Is it going to be a best picture nomination? No. And people, because the first one did that, everyone's standards like, well, it's got to do that again.

Why? Why can't it be as long as it's telling the story and it's action-packed? I will say there's two CGI animals that are horrendous. That's what it was like. The baboon. Oh, my God. The CGA, it's like, come on. We're in, we're in 20204 and the CGI looks like Scorpion King.

But that being said, I liked what Paul Meskell was doing. I thought he had a lot of charisma. I thought he was able to bring, I didn't know who he was. I cared about him the whole way through, but I don't think that any lack of the stuff comparing him to Maximus is fair because I think that that was the script

and the script isn't as powerful as the first movie. It isn't, but it's a big, budgeted action film that is fun. It's an adventure. It is like, you know, it is, it's powerful, I thought. So I really enjoyed the movie. I did agree that I don't think it's an Oscar nominee thing. Does it live up to the first movie?

It doesn't live up to it in the way that it's like it's not as good. No, it's not as good. But I thought it was a worthy successor. But you're wrong about this. Why? No, I said in my review and I feel personally attacked by Kristen. So I have to defend my... And Denzel was awesome, by the way.

Denzel, well, Denzel was Denzel was Denzel. I was like watching Tom Cruise be Tom Cruise. He was. It was Denzel and Gladiator Times, but you knew that. He wasn't going to switch his accent up. I thought he was great. I said that too. It's anachronistic as hell, and I still loved it.

I still loved it. It was Training Day Denzel mixed in with a American gangster Denzel, which I liked. So I think he's so much fun. But people like FYC, no, no disrespect. And they were saying, you know, he's a, because they hadn't seen the movie. He's a frontrunner for Best Supporting Actor. No way coming out of this movie. Do I think he should be nominated for that?

So, you know, that's the situation there. But to me, I like the movie for what it was, right? Yeah. If you're going in wanting to see a fun summer or I guess fall now action movie with the with Paul Mascal and Benzel and Pedro who's in and out at times fitting into the movie Connie Nielsen, then you're going to have a good time because the action sequences are what sell you in the movie and those stuff in the arena is great. And that final action sequence when they get the revenge is great.

The problem is the problem is Christian and I think you're wrong on this and I'll say this to you. why would you do the fucking sequel if you're not going to match? Because you don't need a sequel to Glenn. It's such a good movie. But they can do the sequel. You better match it. Godfather Part 2 matched Godfather and went above it. The classic films get better sequels or don't fucking do it.

The question is, is it a worthy, the question is to me, is it a worthy sequel and does the story still continue? The story continues. And I like being back in that world. I liked the way that they did it. I thought that there was some stuff. that the emperors were a little over the top at times. They were ridiculous. They were ridiculous.

And but but I still, I liked being back there. I liked watching it. I liked seeing the fights and the way that they lined it up. I really dug it. I like coming out of that. I think this is going to be a movie that is the snooty critics are going to have their heads up their assholes for this one. I think the fans are going to like this one. I really do.

I think the fans are going to come out. I think the fans are going to come out really enjoying this one. And I think that these, you know, the variety of, of it, oh, he doesn't really match up to Maxibos. It's like, it's like, okay, you're going to your school and you're writing down your stuff because it's, it's, I can't take the printed critics anymore. I can't. They're just trying to be relevant.

I don't disagree with you that they can go too far sometimes and like salivate at cutting a movie up and, and what have you. But I also, but I also think that like, I think they go, I think that review goes too far. There's no need to say they're cosplaying or they're pale limitation. But I think overall, the reviews have been positive from these, although they're pointing out that it doesn't quite match up,

they're still saying it's a good movie. They're still saying it's a fun time in the theater. So I think that's where the end result's going to be. And I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree. I don't disagree with the fact that it is a lot of the stuff that they really said. I'm not really disagreeing with a lot of it. I'm really not.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that it's not it's not the same Oscar type movie. The first movie is a beloved movie. I certainly push back on you that you shouldn't make a sequel if it has to be better than the first one. You know, it's like- It's at least, I think. If it's, look, do you think someone brought up, do you think back to the future two matches back to the future one? No, that's why I bash it.

Oh, that's why I love it. Okay. Well, Rocky 2. You think Rocky 2 is better than Rocky 1? No, that's why. I don't think it's the, I don't, I think it wasn't bash Rocky 2. You don't bash Rocky 2. I don't think it's a worthy successor to the first movie.

You don't. And thank God, three and four came along. Not that they're better than Rocky. Right. But they're still good. They're still enjoyable. Do you know what I'm saying? But that's a point.

That's the thing is that this is an enjoyable sequel. And what I didn't want to do, I didn't want to go to a movie and going, because I never felt walking out, why did they make that? And I never felt like, oh, they just ruined what they did in the first one. Or like, that didn't feel like anything to do with the first one. It didn't feel like anything. I like the way that they even changed the composer, but they kept. with the same Hans Zimmer themes. They didn't try to like, because they still, I hate when they do that.

We're like, well, we get a new composer, so we're not going to have any of the themes from the original. They used a lot of the themes from the original. And they love the way they played it into the first one. I'm going to be one of those people that enjoys this movie more than others. Maybe, I don't know. We'll see what happens when it comes to fans, when the fans see it. But I really like this movie a lot. I really did.

But this is the thing that Jeff and I battled about, not battle, but like we're on the same side on this battle of first reactions. And I wonder where your feeling is on this Christian, because like some of these first reactions, gladiator two, people were losing their effing minds, these critics. You know, just as you say, some of these written critics go too far in their analysis and destruction of a movie. On the other side, some of these critics that get an access to these movies early on and they're handpicked by a studio to get this early access. they go way overboard. I mean, some of those movies are back. This is the best action thing you're ever going to see in 20. We know you get the junket. Calm down. We know you have the junket. Calm it down. You don't have to go so far over the top in order to get yourself quoted on a on a promotional thing. It's just so frustrating. We did 20 minutes on it last week talking about how these

I wouldn't even say, though, a lot of times, though, that it's necessarily critical. at this point because the studios have been very deliberate in I'm only pointing out the critics that I read I'm not talking about influence well because that is who was really promoting this when it came out and that's more so I guess I think to me maybe making my case that the fans are going to like this because those are a lot of fans that went and saw it and I think that that's what the studio wanted you know they wanted people to to kind of look at it and I this at this point they wanted a lot of me's there right people who I was excited about. I would have been one of those people. I wouldn't say movies are back and I wouldn't say it's as good. I saw somebody in and out of the theater reaction say it was way better than the first one. I said, you're out of your mind. I said, you're out of your mind.

But it's his opinion. But I was, I'll tell you, I didn't really love the first one. But man, this one was better than the first one. I said, you're a crazy person. But I enjoyed this movie. But I really enjoyed this movie. I would love to see it again. I thought Paul Meskell is a star.

I can't believe that people. I loved Paul Maskell in the movie. I loved Paul Meskell is a star. I think he's an absolute star. I didn't know anything about him. I don't know. What else has he been in? Oh, God.

It was the love and bones that zombie won, I think, from a few, or whatever it was a few years ago. Right. He's been a lot, but it's all smaller stuff. It's all independent film stuff. Mainstage stuff, and I thought he carried it. I think it was, I think it's irresponsible to say that he couldn't hold, you know, a candle to Russell Crow. Russell Crow had been in a few different things before Gladiator, right? Russell Crow was able to come in and do, and Russell Crow,

was it it's Russell Crow is hard to be for anybody in 2000s Russell Crow I mean come on but well this is a guy who was in nothing what you said is a good point this is this is not a movie designed to highlight him like they highlighted Russell Crow in the right right it's not a movie constructed to do that does it hit some of the same beats yes do you have a foreign guy who becomes his friend like John and Hansu did for Russell in the yes do you have the connection to the stuff with Russell yes I think this would have been served by not having any connection to the first movie but still have maybe Connie Nielsen in it or Derek Jacoby who comes back as the senator so you're sure you're still in the world but you're not necessarily connected to it so maybe this this gladiator is inspired by the story of Maximus and he hears the story of Maximus and that inspires him to do to make to make him his kid and then have this whole situation like it just to me became a little too much in that way and they didn't do enough to really flesh out and get these poignant exchanges with the characters that I think would have given the film much more depth

at the end of the day. And I think you can judge it this way Christian because Ridley Scott directed it. He came back to director. We talk Rocky, Rocky too. It was Stallone taking over for John G. Alvitz. Yeah, I know. I just felt it like it, it, it to me, it delivered on a, like, ironically enough, are you not entertained? I was. Yeah. You know what I mean? I was. I was in an And do you go into this entertained? Because every criticism that I've seen so far is it's not as good as the first one. To me, that's not a criticism.

To me, that's just like, I wanted it to be better than the first one because I love the first one so much. And I wanted to be better. So because of that, that's going to be my number one thing that I say. And it's like, yeah, but did you enjoy it? And most people, yourself included, had a good time watching it. Yeah, no, I did. I did enjoy it for what it was. Once you, once you, you know, adjust your expectations, you can just sit back and enjoy it.

And I like, Jeff didn't like Muskell. I liked Muskell in a movie. Yeah, I liked them a lot. I liked him a lot. There was funny because Roxy told me, and I would tell this to Jeff. So I never know. Like, I love talking movies to Jeff. I love it.

When I saw him at screenings, I love it. I agree with him hardly ever. He hates everything mostly. Most stuff he hates and then a couple of things he likes, but mostly he hates things. So I don't really, I love hearing his opinions on it, but I don't really ever, when I hear Jeff Snyder hated something or someone else, I go, well, what hasn't he hated? It's when he likes something. I go, oh, really? Let me see.

because, yeah, he hates everything. In the same way that I love hearing Bibiani, like, actually critique something because he's so brilliant to how he does it, I never take notice into, I never go, oh, well, he didn't like it. I'm not going to go see it because I usually like everything he doesn't. In the same way, there was other people, Roxy and I were going back for it, she really liked it. And she told me a bunch of Snyder was one of the people at her screening. And she gave me a list of names of the people who didn't like it. And I go, all of those people that you did that didn't like it, I agree with none of their opinions. I like all them, but I usually feel like they're just, you know, a little like the snooty, like look at my, look at my thoughts and I got to tweet it out now just to get me to show you that I'm a little more hip than the next guy.

And it's like that kind of stuff. I don't I can't do that anymore. I'm so glad. Although I did text you, I thought the New York press screenings were going to be different than LA screenings like hearing the critics talk. Same freaking thing just with accents. Yes. Yeah. It's crazy. Like there's I've met I've met some pretty. cool ones. There's a pretty cool critics that I like, but I could close my eyes and you could literally just have somebody write it down and you'd have to guess what screening you're at and I don't think you'd be able to guess. Yeah, no, the behavior is the same. Yeah. Well, at least you're not going to the some of the screenings I get down here, which are so frustrating are with the regular fans that are not critics. And

they don't have as much respect for the movies that the, that critics do. I'm almost to the point where I'm only ever going to go to critic screenings, which sometimes will screw me because they're big movies that don't get critics only screenings down here in San Diego. But it's frustrating. Like I sat next to a couple for, I had to move in the gladiator. I had to move about 30 minutes into another chair because the couple I was sitting next to in the press row, in the press row. These two young fuckers were talking through the whole movie. This woman and her and her boyfriend and homie had an icy or a slurpy and he kept shaking it to me. say anything? What am I going to say? I'm going to start a

So I did say something, but I said something. I say something that's going to go to a fight. Right. So, so this is something that I did to end them and I and I was happy that this exchange happened, right? Okay. This was not very loud, but there was an older gentleman who was sitting in front of me who was taking notes, right? Oh yeah. But he had a big, but he had a big bright light while he was doing it. Yes. And it was driving me crazy because it was hitting me in the face. And I said, I got to say something. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm I'm not going to me a dick about it, but I got to say something because it's too distracting. So I very nicely, about 30 minutes into it, said,

excuse me, you're able to, like, lower the light a little bit. It's just hit me in the face. And he's, oh, I'm so, I'm sorry. At the end of the screening, the guy couldn't have been a nicer person. And he said, I'm so sorry about that. I wasn't really paying attention. I said, you don't need to apologize at all. I said the same thing.

It's like, sometimes you don't even realize it. And I was like, don't worry about it. It's all good. I know you got to take your notes. It's part of it. Plus, he's an older guy. You know, he's probably just. So I didn't mind that, but it's, had he turned, but you never know.

I thought I was like, yeah, he's my job, jerk off. That's why, and I'm like, I'm ready to get into that exchange, but I didn't have to because the guy was like, oh, no problem, no problem. It's like a nice person. Well, if they were radiating that energy, I would have approached them that way too as well, Christian, right? They were two young kids, like in their early 20s who were like clearly in love with each other and we're just talking to the whole film like they were in the fucking living room.

Yeah, it's bad. I knew if I lean, plus it were, you know, they didn't want to. to lean in and say anything because I knew that it was going to it was going to cause a fucking battle. So I just moved to all the way back in the back of the theater. If you can, yeah, that's probably the best option to do. I was at an IMAX screening. I didn't want to move anywhere because it was like, because I, it was hard enough for me to find the spot that because, you know, you get there, even when you get there early, those

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Links in the description, go and get them today. All right, John, before we move on to these questions, we've got a bunch of them. What's going on on the Outlaw Nation? Oh, yeah, just dropped this morning my reaction to Mission Impossible, the new Mission Impossible 8, Tuesday trailer, I loved it. I thought it was great. I'm glad we're back in the world.

Although I got a text from Mike Kalinowski at 630 this morning going, brother, I don't think I'm going to be able to survive this one, because it might be the last time Cruz is Ethan Hunt. movie we will see he knows we both are on the same page feeling my pain about that possibility so that was great stuff that's up there now my penguin reaction is going to be out a little bit later today in the afternoon and then my gladiator two review will be up tomorrow then we got we're hopefully going to get jettai way rolling this week the hot mic geek buddy stuff happening we're going to do our review tomorrow of the penguin as well so a lot happening there on the channel youtube dot com slash john roca says come

hang out with us please i don't know how you do it the uh the jedi way still it's I don't know how you get Simon Kinberg announcements, but I think I guess I guess I guess you probably have that whole show be that but I just I just I just don't know how how people still can can do it. It's like I don't know. I don't know. Um, anyway, let's get to some of these questions who's got a ton of them and as we started with 55, you're starting off the week already and then what a joke? You did something so great last week. He was he was he crushed it on Monday. Roxy and Brett came back to beat him and then he said, hold my beat. and he joined with Stefan shattered the record.

So, yeah, very, very impressive. Nice try, Roxy. And Brett, they got close. They got close. And they don't even know yet that they didn't win, by the way. I have to tell them. I forgot. Let's call them all right now and let them know.

All right. So the first question here, and this is from our good buddy, Hank Pym. Hey. I hate when the movies and shows take villains and say, well, they aren't that bad. Or it's not their fault. The penguin definitely didn't do that. he's diabolical. That is 100% correct. And that is what I loved about it. I love that. That was so wonderful that they did that. And I thought that was one of the things that made it

pretty special. Yeah, yeah, 100% agreed. They understood the assignment to make him a villain. And they pulled the Tony Soprano playbook, didn't they, Christian? They made you kind of cheer for him, kind of like him. But then they have to do something to remind you that he's a villain. Like what he did to Janus, when Janus was turning that corner, maybe going to climb out of the toxicity of being in that family and he makes fun of her at the dinner table the whole time to break her and walks out they always remind you that tony was a villain that was the great part of sopranos and i think the same thing happened here at the end uh ronetta w hey guys thank you for your service roca and to all the military for your service and sacramers

we're grateful for all you do to keep us safe thank you so much renna which follows it falls it up and says that final episode of penguin that was chef's kiss oh my god i was heartbroken by the end. However, because we know how evil he is, I had this weird feeling. They wrapped this up pretty well. Well done. I thought, yeah, that was, I mean, we talked about it, right, John, but I was watching as I'm watching it, and you can see my reaction to it. And I said, I go, oh, I hate him so much, but that's exactly why they did that. I was like, you son, it was such a frick bastard move, but it was so good, because you got to hate him. I'd hate him.

How badly do you want to see Robert Patton's and beat the piss out of this guy? Yeah, totally. But you respect him too because right after he did all that, it's immediately high-class penguin with the awesome new purple car, the new clothes, the umbrella stand, the hat. He's the king. He is high society now. He's the king, and he's no longer the Moronis are out of the picture now. The, you know, like Falcons are out of the picture now.

And it's like, it's so good and such a great way to pitch the landscape. It does make. me wonder what James Gunn's Batman universe is going to be like now because I'm so locked into this universe. This occurred to me this morning. Yeah. Like it occurred to me this morning like Matt Reeves is doing so well. If Superman comes out and is middling or God forbid shits the bad. I know. What do you do at that point? Like does is there a jealousy that develops between James Gunn and Matt Reeves? Is there an anger that Matt Reeves getting all the attention? Listen, don't get it wrong. Don't get it twisted. Okay. Hollywood.

full of egos do not pay attention to that I'm smiling in interviews they seem like your buddy in their own social media it's egos and if matt reeves is doing better than james gun and james guns the overwhelming guy overall guy in charge of things that's going to cause friction you know i think yes and no i think yes and no i think because i think that if they if it was if it was todd phillips then i would say 100% yes because they're not on the same page and they're not even Matt Reeves is very much on the same page with James Gunn and they talk and it's like, yeah, not just in interviews together. They're trying to develop stuff together and make things work because they do see eye to eye. I feel like you would get something where if that scenario happens where Superman eats it.

And James Gunn is smart enough to say, okay, maybe we just dive deep into this universe instead. If this isn't working, he still got the keys to the castle. He does. And then we're just talking about Star Wars. unlike philoni where he doesn't see you've got this massive hit with and or and instead of making a three seasons where what i heard they wanted he's like uh well it's not really that's not really star wars it's not really star two do too that's it get it out of here and and it's who he said he loves star wars yeah in front of a bunch of people on stage for like oh yeah let's ask him someone ask him in an interview

if he feels that and or is traditional um you know or or or feels like it's part of like what George loves is Star Wars. Ask him that question and see what happens. They should do it in the Vanity Fair things where they do the lie detector. They should put him to the light. 100%. He's very good in interviews. He's very good. And of course, there's a lot that he did that was very good. But I think that they gave him, he's turned into Oswald when it comes to the Star Wars side of it. Cupcake Bliss last night the finale of the penguin was gut wrenching. Stellar cast, stellar writing, stellar acting. I can't wait for it. I can't wait for Batman, too. justice for victor question for you was there anything that the series missed or got wrong um you got

something john yeah sure i mean i think the one the only one big criticism i have is they didn't do enough to flesh out the gangs and the specific leaders within the gangs because that was kind of an afterthought and i think if they had spent more time if they had two more episodes you could have found out about the inter machinations within each of the gangs so that when the big things happen big things happened at the end of the finale, the Michael, the Michael Corleone, killing off the head of the five families type scene, it would have carried more weight in resonance to have seen what they did. So for me, that's my only thing. They kind of made the gangs an afterthought. And the gangs seem to go wherever they're commanded to go.

So they removed their individuality. And that frustrated me because Sophia's having meetings with them. Penguins having meetings. They all seem to be able to have time to have these meetings. And like, if you're running a big gang, I don't think you have time to make a meeting it like a day. So this are the things that I think frustrated me a little bit on that end, but it's really nitpicking. It's not a big. nitpicky stuff, but I understand. You're trying to find something to have some kind of criticism for it. I get it. Hank Pim, Sophia Gigante is the hottest TV character of all time. All time, I don't know if you're going to go all time, but she's definitely, I love what Mike

Kalanowski says. He goes, you ever hear what he says? He goes, I can fix her. I can fix her. So he loves he loves Sophia She's so good Hank Pim I hate when movies shows Take villains and say well there aren't We did that already Or is not that felt yeah we did that one already okay

Renetta W Wait what's happening now Is it repeating? Are these repeating? Did they? No I think I just kind of I see I see what happens okay Renetta W also the penguin villain arc was extraordinary That's seen with the penguin Sophia and his mom I was on pins and needles.

It was really great. And not needing Batman in one episode, Massifal writing, brilliant. You didn't need him. And apparently there was a scrapped scene. Did you hear this? No, I did not. There was a scripting where he showed up?

Yeah, let me see. Let me read what Matt Reeves said. Okay. I think it also played into what you were talking about with the, that season two is, was potential. Let's say.

So, yeah, there's a lot of different things. Oh, man. I'm so bummed by a lot of this stuff, man. That, for what happened at the end, I'm just bummed. All right, so let's see. This is from comic book movie. So the penguin Matt Reeves, talk scrap Batman cameo,

said the penguin wrapped up yesterday, yada, yada, yada. In the series, Batman's absence was pretty distracting and talking to Energy Weekly. Matt Reeves confirmed there was at least discussions about a cameo. Over the course of the writing the season, we discussed many times whether or not there might be some cross-through that we felt was earned. We tried a few different ideas conceptually. Nothing that was ever ultimately written,

but nothing seemed to quite gel in a way that felt earned. But even that ended up throwing things off too much. Among the ideas, considered it was a scene where Batman showing up in front of Vic, Oz's right-hand man, but that was throwing it off too much. We wanted our characters to be the predominant people that you're following in the show. Anything that started to distract from that

wasn't servicing the type of show we wanted to do. I agree with that 100%. Yeah, I think that's totally fair. You got to do what's best for the for the overall show. And if it doesn't work, trying to shove it in, that'll read to the fans from a mile away. You had to do it the way you did it. And I think that the way that they did with the bat signal at the end was, was brilliant because it's said it because it's the last thing you see. But it's like, but go see the movie now.

And you're like, oh, perfect. I didn't, I got to a place where I didn't even want to see him. Anyway, when it started, I was like, oh, when's you going to show up? And then by the time I got invested, that just shows you it's good writing. You care enough about the characters. You don't need to rely on it. It's like, oh, there's Yoda. Why?

Because they don't want to get canceled for season two. So it's like, take note. Mike Joyce. Christian, did you ever see the last season of the boys? Not sure if you like it as much now after the election. It might seem too much in your face now. I did not see the last season, but I do want to see it because I like, I just liked that universe.

I just hadn't had to have a chance to, to check it out yet and i think i did i start i think i did start watching i just never never finished it but you did you like that season i did it's a little on the nose but i did like it and i think where mike joyce what he said it's an interesting way to to look at it if i was to watch it again you know so yeah did something happen on the hot mic this past week why what happened someone says sorry what happened on the hot mic oh i don't know well oh maybe he's referencing the the fact that I came in pretty like everything just kind of hit me on Friday okay so I came in a in a kind of a weird mood on Friday okay Matt sinister McCall penguin is so evil I bought

a Batman gosh show on eBay post the finale con feral uh versus me wrestling mania I make a better Batman than goofy George Clooney maybe so maybe so but I still liked um I still like seeing George again oh yeah that was nice yeah I still like seeing him but even though it was It's terrible. Armada. Seems like you'll have different takes on Gladiator, too. It doesn't seem, seem. I mean, the movie itself, it doesn't seem that way. It just seems like we have different points of view of whether or not it needed to be better than the first one.

I think that's where we had different points. Shea Markell. Shout out to Renzi Felice. He didn't spoil anything. No, he didn't. He didn't tell me. And he told me nothing. I did send him an Instagram as soon as I watched that finale.

And I was like, that's. son of a bitch. So that was I thought he was great. I thought he was great. I thought he was great. I thought that Chrisa Milliani and of course Colin Farrell will just I hope they all three of them get nominated. I agree. Yeah. And the series

itself. Yeah. Darth Vader's burnt asshole. You often speak against the MCU using lower tier heroes to lead projects. They closed out of the stories like I often speak against the MCU using lower to, oh, heroes to lead projects. They closed out of the of like 85% of their A tier heroes. Who do they use?

MCU can't just be X-Men and Fantastic World Forever. No, no, no. I don't speak against it. I speak against it when it's not earned. Didn't speak against Guardians of the Galaxy when it came out. I said they had earned enough of it that it's like, okay, who are these guys? Great. I didn't speak up against Ant-Man when Ant-Man came out.

I was like, because they had earned it. When they start saying, well, we're going to make a young Avengers movie. Who's been asking for that? Who's been asking for a Young Avengers movie? Nobody. Everything that they put out with anybody inside of the Young Avengers is eating it, doing it as a movie. Sure. Doing it is like, you know, when you're doing certain movies, you're setting something up.

And look, I don't know if there's anybody on this show that likes Ryan Cougar more than I do. I love Ryan Cougar. I love Brian Cougar. I'm telling you. Like I before, I remember seeing Fruitvale Station before anybody did. I remember seeing it and just singing from it on Shmo's and talking about it. I was so excited when I heard he got Creed and then talking to him about Creed in Philadelphia is a very surreal moment. moment for me, right? But what I don't buy from Ryan Coogler was when he said that the whole thing

with Ironheart when that was kind of ready, ready thought of before putting her in the movie and all these different. They put her in that movie to build up that television show. Well, of course. Right. And that's and it was kind of he said like, now that's not why they did it. Yes, they did. And they give her so. And she did not pop the way that they wanted her to. Right. Now, the show might wind up being great right but did she earn a television show from that movie no she didn't so the lower tier things just have to earn you got to earn their characters not a matter of giving it to them it's a matter of earning it's like gangstay you got to earn you got to earn it so yeah it's not again it's not lower tier characters if you can make it work total i mean look at look at blade when blade came out in like

98 you know it's like that's that you can make it work and as long as you're not over budgeting and and doing all that stuff john castle spilletopoulos Happy Veterans Day, my brother, Broca. As a disabled vet myself from the Gulf War, I thank you for your service and that I love you, brother. My favorite to watch and follow. Christian, you're my second. That's fair.

What? No, don't put me ahead of Chris. I don't share the same bond that you guys do. Christian's the OG, man. Yeah, but you guys share a different time of bond. I take no offense to that whatsoever. Roberto, Arsenal. Penguin is great.

And thank you to service, too, my friend. Penguin, great. But when did this narrative begin that the penguin was a C-list level villain? He always been A-List. Seelis is something like Kite Man. Yeah, who's calling him? Was it you that was saying? Oh, I've never called him.

No, I think it was somebody. I don't know if it was cool. I can't remember who it was. He's, yeah, I always saw him as, oh, maybe, maybe it was Winston who said he was. Oh, was it? I don't know. I can't remember. But, but no, I'm, I always saw him as like, I would put the Joker's obviously the champ.

Right. And then I would say the riddler. And then I would say penguin. Yeah. That's it. Well, what about catwoman? Where's catwoman at all?

I don't really, I always see her as anti-hero. Yeah, because she has the relationship with Batman. Yeah, I never really see her as a villain. I always see her as an anti-hero. Yeah,

I mean, you got to, you got to start, you know, as you know, as you read the moral of the comments, you gore like, well, where does Razal Gould fit?

Where do these other kind of strong, where does, where does a bane fit, you know, so you look at through all these things and see how they, but I agree with you, classically. Classically.

I'm not talking about how they've been portrayed in film. I just mean classically. Spidey Sense, Spidey Sense, 72. Happy Veterans Day to all of us here in the chat and happy belated birthday to any Marines in here too. You're here. Wow. You're here.

All right. Next question. And you got 61 thus for it, John. Wow. Yeah, nice. Shea Markell. I don't believe Oz was ever shown hurting innocence. He battled rich criminals, criminals and was good to Vic.

It made it easy to think that there was some good in him. That's the thing. think that it may seem like it, but it wasn't there. Shea Markell, for a second, I thought he was going to send Vic to Cali. Until that moment, there was still a case to be made for his morality, but now there's no case. Yeah, that I agree with 1,000 percent because you've got to see me, dude, but I'm watching. I watched other people's reactions to that moment. And the second he says, I'm family or he says, I can't take you with me, they're all new.

And I'm going, where's he going? Where's he sending them? and then he grabs them. Like, oh, you bastard. It definitely got me with that. They got me a couple different times in that episode. That's good. That means they did a good job. Totally. And I usually see these things coming a mile away.

Yeah. Crashing Coyote. I hope in Batman 2 last scene between Oz and Batman, bat drops on a table. Wait, hold on. I hope in Batman two last scene between Oz and Batman, bats drops on a table. Okay.

Oh, he drops on a table, Vick's ID on the table and goes, and he says, how the F you get this looks up and Bats is gone. Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's ever going to. I think that's the last, unfortunately, the tragic story of Vic to disagree once again to my co-host here. I don't think we ever hear Vic's name uttered again in this universe. I don't know, they did a good job building him up. It would suck. I know.

That's what I think that was so great about. God, this is the fact that you cared about him so much. Carlton Rudder, London Calling. What's up, Carlton? Busy time at the movies. Anora was amazing. Everybody loves Anora. My old ass was great, but Paddington 3 lacked the magic of two.

It's a dud. Wow. Tonight Conclave. You know what I did watch? I watched Saturday night. And? I liked it a lot. Yeah, right.

It's a good for movie. That guy that is playing Chevy Chase should be nominated. On point. He was so good. Like and not and I will say I thought the entire cast was really really good. The only one that I thought looked just like him, but still it's just too hard to do was the guy playing Belushi, right? Belushi.

Yeah. He was. To be fair, they didn't give him a lot of real estate. He didn't get him a lot to do, but like the problem, it's just, you can't, it's just hard to do what he did. Like, yes, he was very serious when he was off the air and everything too, but there was something about, even when he was doing the performance, I was like, yeah, it just doesn't have it. I thought the dude from the Americans playing Carlin was excellent. yeah uh yeah Matthew reese yeah yeah he was great excellent as crime and I was like I was ready to judge because you know carlin's my guy so and I'm watching watching him at that at that point um but no I thought

it was and and the guy playing Lauren Michaels was was great and the end got a little when he goes to the bar got a little silly um little wadlin yeah yeah yeah but but other than that I really I really enjoyed the movie I thought was pretty good yeah I thought you know I've been trying to get people you know every time I can to talk to watch this movie because it's really good it's so good everybody and I and I thought Dylan O'Brien oh I think he was the standout for me because acroids is deceptibly difficult to do yeah and actually young acroy young acroyd because I will start watching it with my wife she's like oh he's not really hitting like acroid I go he's nailing young young john acroyd you're thinking about john acroyd now like yeah John acroyd John acroyd John acroyd back in uh in in in the

70s is a different person. Different person all together. I thought it was done very well in the cadence and how he spoke. And they were all really, really good. And what was so great about that casting is I saw them before they even said anything. I knew exactly who they were portraying. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Garrett Morris, Lorraine Newman, like, Gilda Radner. Like, it was, Gil didn't have enough to do in the movie. I thought she should, she would have a little bit more to do. But, um, and J.K. Simmons's Milton Pearl was great. my god that scene with him at chevy dude that is the scene of the movie i want to know if that really happened well it is legend that he pulled he would pull his thing out really oh no yes i'm slightly older than you i grew up reading about the old school comics dude that is a story i can see that is just in the friars roasts the old dean martin roasts oh that is a story that gets

mentioned he absolutely pull he was a legend for having a long sloth and he was pulled it out pull it out and just intimidate other comics. Hilarious. Well, you know, and Cindy Crawford's daughter, Kara Gerber, was really good in the movie, too. And she, she played, she played Chevy's wife. That's Cara Gertra. Yeah, that's, that's gorgeous.

And so she, she was, she was really good. She's much better actors than her mom. I love Cindy Crawford. I love me from Cindy Crawford, but she, well, fair play, but, but she does a reason why you never saw her after Fair Play. Yeah. All right, Chey Markell.

I love you, John, but Vic's dead, my friend. I know. I know you guys think that. I know. Okay. Motor rolling. What's up, Joe? Just finished your reaction, Christian.

Oh, you ever, you ever. You up until that moment, I felt it went on a bit too long. Something else was up. Yeah, I know. It just, it crushed me. It really, it really crushed me. And plus, if I wanted, and I think that even if I didn't have a chance to sit down with them, I still would have felt the same way, you know?

Yeah. Even more so after knowing, I was like, I was like, because I'm going, you know, I want this guy to keep working. And if they do season two, Nick Alexander, I watched Penguin very late last night and fell asleep. I thought Vic and him had a nice exchange, not realizing where it led when I rewatch. What a brutal scene with Vic.

Please, more seasons. Yeah, I don't necessarily, and we don't really talk about this. I don't know if I need a season two. Well, I mean, the stories have come out today that they're kicking around the possibility of a season two. So I hear you. I hear you, but I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know if we need it.

I think if we're going to get him in Batman 2. This is a great way to build. I know why HBO Max would need it. Of course. And I know that why a truck full of money you can get Colin Farrell to do it again, you know, but like I don't know if we need it. And I think that if you do it this time,

it's got to be after the Batman 2, leading into Batman 3, and you got to have patents and pop up this time. Because it's going to be too, because it's just going to be too related to it at this point. But I don't know. And Gordon, which was frustrating for me. Right.

No, Jim Gordon. I would he not be involved with an explosion like that? That's true. It was more about me. Let's see. Stay back, Jim. I love that guy. So, let's see.

This is from Darth Vader's burnt asshole. Also, first three episodes of Arcane are pure fire. It's not I'm hearing, man. That's what I'm hearing. I want to do reactions to him. This series can only exist with this quality and animation. Truly, every frame is a painting. My daughter's already blown through all three of them.

Wow. She just annihilated it. She got, at one, two, and three, she watched her, like, Dad, you're going to love it. And I was like, she finished it in like, maybe a night. Oh, God. Or at least a day. Yeah, because they have a school off. So I am excited to check it out.

And I'll probably watch it. I'll probably watch it soon. Yeah, I'm trying to decide if I should do reactions to the first season because I never saw it. Or if I should pick up with season two. I don't know what. Oh, don't start watching with season two. no i mean i'll watch season one and then do reactions to season i would i feel like i think you might get you might get uh people wanting to see how you're going to react to that one because it's such

it's so beloved and like i thought about redoing like watching it again and doing it but i just time wise and then i've seen it already so probably jumping right into it plus i'm like i said this friday we start our mc you rewatch the sams well my rewatch sam's never seen it so that's going to hit on Friday and then me, I'm going to be doing, I think, reactions to this. I think Cobra Kai I might do. I'm not sure yet.

But yeah. And then Dune. Oh, right. Yeah, so there's a lot of stuff coming out. Prophecy, right, exactly. Page, Chaudry. Hey, classy, gents, do you think they will do a catwoman show? Can I get healing vibes?

My husband broke his ankle. Oh, man, definitely got the healing vibes. Yes, I hope he feels better soon. No, I don't think we're going to get a catwoman show. Yeah, I think John thinks it's possible, which, Which I wouldn't be opposed to, but I don't think they're going to, you think it's going to happen? I heard months ago it was going to happen. They were working.

They've been working on it. So I wouldn't be opposed to it. I wouldn't be opposed to it. I really like her a lot. And I think that would be great to, I want to see more of this universe. I really like this universe. You can't do the Catwoman show without Batman. He has to be a part of it. Especially now they've established.

If it was before the, if it's before the Batman, then sure. But if it's after the Batman movie, then no, you can't. Unless Selina is going to break her out at the end there and bring her to Bloodhaven and you do a whole other show that's not in Gotham, then maybe. I'm really looking forward to seeing Zoe Kravitz and Kristen Miliani do scenes together. Goodness gracious. Oh, man. But not just for how attractive they are, but they're just both great actresses. Oh, that just meant the talent.

Oh, no, you did not. You lie in seconds. What? Jason Crosby, what do you think it'll take for studios to quit inflating budgets to stupid levels? I just read today that Terror FIRE 3 has made almost 80 million on a budget of 2 million. Crazy profit margins to me. I think the conversation that we just had about Lucasfilm with Simon Kinberg pretty much shows you that it's going to be a vicious circle. Yes, they're bringing him in to contain budgets and they do that and make it.

They're bringing him in to make sure that the bleeding stops on spending them lose. They know they're not going to lose Simon Kinberg. Simon Kibber is going to go, oh, sure, what do you want me to do? Okay, you want me to do that? Oh, you don't like that? You want me to do that? Okay, are you sure? You want that?

Okay. There's not going to mean he's fighting with him. There's not going to be the creative differences and him leaving. They're going to get what they asked for with him. But that doesn't mean they're not going to go. Here's $200 million to make the first movie. So I think that this is what the studios do. They overspend and they think that with marketing with these big action movies,

you have to overspend. And I wish that they would go back to the Terminator or 1984 style of filming. Yeah, great point. Yeah, I agree with all of that. Another more to add to that. Yeah. Okay, next one. We had 64 questions us for doing really well here. Good start to the week for John.

Can he hit 70 day? We'll find out. Shea Markell. For me, what's tragic about Vic is he'd fight and kill to save Oz, but couldn't fight Oz to save his own life, was manipulated and just submitted and begged. Yeah, it was horrible. It was horrible. I wanted to reach through the screen and save him. Like it was like, I haven't felt like that in a, in a, in a show like that in quite a while. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. He's still on. Go ahead. No, he's not. The Cali Kid. Have you seen Anora? It's the best movie I've ever seen.

Have you seen it yet? Not yet. No, I'm going today. There's a double bill today. Norah and Heretic. I'm going to catch them both today. Shoot. Okay.

That's that, I do want to see that one. Shea Markell. after the new Thunderbolts trailer the seems to represent the team name is still undecided was that obvious and I'm just now learning this so so what

what does this mean the the the asterisk seems to represent the team name it's still undecided so the name of the team or the name of the movie the name of the movie is going to say thunderbolts but I think by the end of the movie they're going to be the dark Avengers and so I think that's clear because of how they showed that in the movie Thunderbolts I don't want that name it's a stupid

name and blow so they're clearly going to change it so yeah uh mad sinister mccall friday i was watching heretic and conclave at regal with two large popcorns i've been gassing all weekend then i broke my small toe and now i'm walking like gauz perfect uh i do i still haven't seen heretic um and conclave i hear great things about but i haven't seen him yet yeah yeah god damn popcorn too much popcorn too much i got the shits uh skeleton strange new world's number one fan i'm with brother roka oz tossing vix license away means something for the future we got one person who agrees you i mean i know it's a small island you're not alone him we got wilson with you that shot was script real estate and real estate has meaning yeah yes maybe maybe we'll see probably not calvin

patel big props to young oz rider allen he crushed it down to his mannerisms and dialect he was he was really good that kid i believed him every step of the way that he was young cal Colin Farrell. You think, you know, I see you in the ways that they don't see you. I see you. You know, no one's going to love you the way I love you. It was so good.

Matt B. I saw so much white heat influence. I did too. Cagney. I saw so much. I said it in one of my reactions. I said, I was like,

I was like, oh, this is like a Cagney movie, man. 100%. 100% white heat influence in the show when it came to Oz and his mother. Yeah. One top of the world. Except his mom actually loved him. Yes.

Right. 100% Cagney, for sure. Mike Joyce, which organization is worse? Bears are the Giants. I think the Giants have enough in play right now. They just, they just, it's not coming to formation. But I think that I think more so than the bears. What do you think?

I think the Giants are one quarterback away from turning the entire team around. I don't think that's the truth with the bears. That's essentially what I meant to. Shea Markill. She should have put odds. up for adoption as a child i mean that's not really nice thing to do to anybody he killed her eventually i know i know yeah uh shay markell who else could lead mission impossible franchise uh man who else could lead it so do you think you think tom's gonna you think tom's gonna

you think tom cruz gonna eat it in the next one no i just think he's not gonna want to do it anymore they might retire you know i mean like tommy's almost what is he's he's 65 like he's getting the See your citizen age, man. But you could find a way to do something. I don't think that even a TV show. I think there's no way that he retires. I think that I said it in my reaction, I said in the Deadpool, Simon Pegg is the top of the Deadpool.

Oh, you think Simon Pegg dies? If anyone's going to die from the team, it's going to be Simon Pegg. Because, Haley out, well, they kill all the women all the time, but I think they're not going to kill her this time. I think she's going to survive. You can't kill Ving Rames because especially if you're going to do a TV show, he's got to be there. Um, so who else is left?

Tom Cruise and I can't kill Tom Cruise. I don't think they're going to kill anybody. I don't think what's her face in the last one. Right. Right. So, so I think that if they do, I, I, I tend to agree with you. I don't think that they will, but if they do, I think it's going to be Simon Peck. Yeah.

Evil John Madden. And I can't believe that after the election, Roka is on a show run by a white guy. There you go. After watching his post-election reactions, it's clear that you don't like white people, John, unless you're vote, unless it's Vogel or whatever. McClung is. Here's my theory. You don't like this, but there are people you like in this, but you don't like this. Imagine that kind of logic. It's so stupid. And you know what? There's a lot of really good white people. I don't like certain white people for sure, but I don't like certain

people of any color who feel a certain way about life, you know? There you go. Matt Sinister McCall. Beth Snyder. Red one is projecting one billion. Empty seats. Yeah. That's what he said. I'm supposed to see that this weekend. Oh, I'm not going to that screen.

I turned it down. I told him no way. I feel bad. Not going. Why? You owe him nothing. Stop it. Not the rock.

I want to go to that because I reached out for a screening to the studio. And they, and it's like, you know, well, why are you reaching out, Ahole, if you're not going to go?

Yeah, that's true. That's a fair. That's what I. So, Dan V 900. James Gunn debunked the Joker show report a catwoman show is a much better idea adaptive version of when in rome uh than batman where

are you as the crime families are getting killed and there's an explosion i mean you know he's not he it's they're not taking advantage of the innocent and that's what batman really does they're just killing each other there's not a lot of innocents that we're getting taken out although you make a point with the explosion that means part of figuring that out maybe that's what the the essence of the movie at the beginning is going to be is that that's what would be great is in the way that they did it in the show where it was episode three when you saw the ridler explosion yeah like if they like if they do that in the beginning of the batman you see like the batman he's kind of realizes shit's going down you know and they show you up until that signal with uh with oz you know i'm maybe that i would

assume they're going to relate it that way it's just weird that they never mentioned him and he just had the whole interaction with the Batman in the Batman. So it's weird that he never once worries about the Batman showing up. So clearly he hasn't established himself quite as strongly in Gotham as we might think of it. Yeah. So maybe there's because the thing is the Batman rumors are that Mr. Freeze is going to be the villain in the second one. Fries could have captured it. Right. And so it could be that the Batman is hostage right now and couldn't show up to all this stuff. That's interesting. The great Derek Johnson showing some support. Happy Veterans Day, for all who celebrate. Don't forget to get your discounts today. There you go. You too,

Derek. You too. Respect. Bobby Jackson. What's up, Bobby? Hey, John, did you get a chance to binge severance and the offer this past weekend? No, I will this week. You've never seen the offer? No, and I got to watch it. You would love it. I was, I've been watching Godfather movies all weekend. Oh, then dude, you have to see it. Oh, you got to say the offer. Oh, you've got to say the offer. Especially now if you've rewatched us. Peter Colenco, what Gilroy did for Star Wars, Reeves and LaFronk did for the Batman DC. I agree. Joker is my favorite villain, but I hope they showcase other villains. We got such a thrilling, rich treat with Penguin and Sophia. I totally agree. I totally agree. I do like the idea of putting the Joker to close the franchise, though. I really do.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Go Paul. Happy Veterans Day. And less importantly, happy I was able to watch the Penguin this morning. Yeah, for real. Everybody who's part of this conversation. And we have a lot of people that were that were in this conversation. And he follows it up. That's that whole first scene, I was distracted by Sophia's red scarf and wondering if it was a fix to the to the dress or what was going on there. I don't know. It was a good choice. I loved her style.

I love that crazy like late 80s mullet that she had going on too. Yeah. Yeah. It just worked so well for the character. Well, the red and black is sexy. And so the scarf that way and she tucked it inside her. her top, which made it even more like the allure and the sexiness of Sophia. So I think that's why they did it. Red is danger. And you, and like Klanowski says, I can fix her. That red signifies,

you know, like a red flag. How about that doctor? The doctor who, I guess I'll tell you, that was one of the things, by the way, the doctor. People ask me before was one of the things, any criticism. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he stops working at Arkham to go work for her. And he's like, hey, guys, can I have my job back? He's just working. He's not working at I guess, but he's working wherever, wherever she is now. And he's now working there. It's like, wait, what? I said that in my reaction.

He got his job back that quick? Right. Is she at Arkham? Mm-hmm. She is. Okay. All right. Yeah.

100%. Derek. Can we find someone who has a different story to tell? Faggie had a story to tell a new idea. Star Wars feels like a franchise without a story. Find me a storyteller who understands the lore. Well, that's the thing is that I don't want to say, I mean, I know that I've been very tough on Faloni the last.

year and it's like he definitely knows the lore you know I mean take that away from him the guy knows the lore and he knows everything too I just wish that he wasn't so like you know tied into no no no this is what Star Wars is and you guys don't really know like they ever wish he wasn't that because he does know the lore very very well and I wish that you know it just I wish he wasn't so set in his ways I guess yeah yeah um Derek Johnson all these Star Wars projects and I couldn't tell you what the overarching story is yeah it's true they want to create a universe but now we got kids in space Mando do

doing something, Assoca riding whales, Disney is now an old Jedi part one. Oh, Daisy's now an old Jedi part one. I agree with that. That's the thing is that that's why I said like what people, I saw so many stupid comments on my skeleton crew reaction because I said, it looks like a fun adventure show. It looks like a fun adventure show. My biggest note with it was, is this the show that you really want to do after the failure of accolite?

Right. Is this the, I mean, it was already set up. But then it's like, it just didn't have that Star Wars feel to me. It's like, well, what do you think Star Wars is? What do you think? I hate that criticism of the people. You don't know what Star Wars is. And it's like, no, it doesn't, it doesn't have that magic of Star Wars.

It just doesn't. That trailer, it seems like Goonies in Space, which is fun. And it could be a great show. But like, but it doesn't have the essence of a Star Wars show. It doesn't feel like. You think it feels like, I mean, I'm not just some of the old trilogy. I'm talking about things that And had in it i'm some of the things that the prequels had in it because it doesn't feel like a star war

show it feels like it feels like it's going back to the 1980s yeah yeah but it's going back to it feels like uh yeah but it's going back to yeah the old 1980s so yeah i don't think it doesn't have a prequels vibe it doesn't have a sequel vibe and it doesn't have an and or vibe for okay i don't mean the way that's filmed i'm talking about like the the essence of it so but we'll see but look i could and i could sing a different tune after i see the movie or if they're the show. I could say like, oh, wow, you know, the trailer, look at Transformers 1. Like, Transformers 1. That trailer was atrocious. And I was like, that, that movie has the most, and I said, because I remember watching, I've said the same thing. So that trailer does not seem

like the original Transformers kind of thing that I, the lure that I fell out, but they're just cracking jokes. It looks so stupid. Right. And the movie captured all the essence of what the Transformers was. And maybe this show will do the same thing. Nick Alexander. Hey, Roka, Vic is a dead man. Shea Markell. Do you guys want a Sicario 3? Because I do. Sheridan should return to write it and Villanue should return to direct.

If you get that team to do all that, and they have the story to tell it. But I wouldn't, because he didn't do the second one, did he? No, he didn't. And the second one's good. It's just not. It's not an even allude. And Deacons didn't shoot the second one either, did he? No, no, no.

The first one's special. The first one's a special movie. Like, I want to see that movie again. I love that movie. It's a fucking crime that that was a nominee for Best Picture. It's the best picture of 2015. It's really, really good. I have to go back and look at the list, but I'm not going to dispute you on that claim because I love that movie.

But seeing a third one, it depends. It depends on who the team is. Arun Babarash. If your sequel is not good, you can always have the goodness of the original is what I think. A bad sequel doesn't take any. away from the first one. Well, it can, it can because if there's certain things that are that are made, like look at, I mean, I know people disagree with me, but I think Joker 2, certain choices that they make, I think the ending does negate the first movie. I think, I think

it very much so. Quoy argues me with me on that one, but I actually think that it negates it. So I think sometimes if a second movie is not good or does things inside the second one that makes the first one irrelevant. Look, oh, here's a perfect example. Going back to Star Wars, uh, Force Awakens to me. When I saw that movie, liked it a lot. Yeah. Still don't mind it, but I don't go back and watch it because I know what comes afterwards. I know. Yeah. I know that last Jedi is the next thing to watch and that's like depressing every time. And then you get the cotton candy, uh, episode nine that it's just a mess. So I don't even ever watch episode seven because I'm like, oh, this is, oh, yeah, I remember what comes next. Yeah.

I feel that way about the matrix. Oh yeah. Yeah. Another great. I mean, the matrix. The matrix. The Matrix Reloaded revolutions are just not good movies. I don't care what anybody says. There's good scenes within those movies, but they're not good movies overall. And to me, that's a big reason why I don't see The Matrix a lot, because I know what comes next and it's a fucking tragedy. Yeah, especially in the way that it ends. It ends. Yeah.

It sends like it's going to just be the best. We do this all the time. What? Yeah. Yeah. Derek Johnson, part two. I'm excited for this new Star, for the new Star Wars projects. But if you want to create a universe, you've got to give me a story that I can follow without reading the books and looking up a timeline online.

I agree with him. I think he's absolutely right. I think that the problem, Derek, is that they don't, as you said it, they don't have it, though. They don't know. It's like, well, what do we do? We need to be successful. Hey, who should we call? You want to call Simon?

Simon's got an idea for three movies. All right, let's get him on the phone. Well, he doesn't have an idea. I have an idea for three movies and Simon can get it done. For cheap? Well, for the budget we want. Will he take notes? Yeah, you know, it's Simon.

Oh, okay. Will he put a balloon with a, with a happy face on it if we need him to? Yeah, I'll do two. okay good then let's get simon here get me simon right now silly Derek johnson every time someone comes on here

with some hate i'll donate the same amount well there you go there's the hate oh he was talking before before when you got the the thing about being on the show with me oh armada I made an early super chat before

you all talked about gladiator two um oh my bad okay so very curious for the Dune Also, the new match show preview with Ruffalo looks fire. Have you seen what the new Ruffalo show? No, I did not see that. That's exciting. Okay.

I love that. Mike Joyce, did you see that wicked doll toys are being recalled because the package links to the wicked triple X site? The site is seeing its most traffic in 12 years. That's the best. That's the best story on the internet. I love that so much. Oh, my God, you can't. I wonder if Cynthia Rievo was pissed off about that.

Mommy, where's Ariana Grande here? Oh, my God. That's not Ariana Grande. Well, that's somebody else, Grande. That's Grande, all right. That's Grandi, all right. Joe Ryder, Dan, Hal, and screen junkies recently did a one-round movie fights. Really?

That's cool. It was great. Any memorable moments or times you're surprised with what you came up with. Thanks. I'm sorry, are they still around? I'm sorry. Screen junkies? I don't know.

That's what he said. Who did it? Dan Pallens and S.J. I don't know who S. I would assume it's screen junkies. Oh, maybe he did it on his channel or something. I don't know. I'm not sure.

I didn't think screen junkies were still around. I thought it was band. I mean, you know, making up the fake movie in a fit of desperation. Oh, yeah. That's probably my favorite. I just think fighting with Mance. That was my favorite. That led to some great stuff.

Mad Sinister Macal, throw milk duds of people talking in the theater. I mean, you know, I don't advocate for violence, but I wouldn't call anybody if I saw that. I wouldn't call the cops. Listen, I've gotten in fights at theaters. I don't like it. So I try to avoid it and move away instead of. That's why I don't go. It's very, very rare that I will ever go to a movie outside of press screenings now.

I know. I, that used, I love that in L.A. Even though people in L.A. could be, you know, a bit much as well. It was so inconsistent that I didn't mind it. But here it's consistent. Whenever I go to a screening with regular people who are not critics, they just have no respect in San Diego for these films. And they talk all through. It's so frustrating.

Yeah. So someone said that they can't stop laughing every time I talk about it so good. That's my favorite is the overusage of LOL and the, the, the, the false thing is like, oh, I was laughing, so, no, you weren't, you may have smirked. You might have smirked or shook your head or couldn't believe it, but like, people, anytime someone writes L-O-L or anything,

and I wrote someone back, it was like, were you rolling on the floor too, laughing your ass off as well, too? Is that true? Were you actually doing that? I said because they think that the writing in Asoka is good, and more power to them. It's atrocious. The writing in Asoka is atrocious. Absolutely atrocious.

Shea Markell. I booked a triple feature yesterday but I canceled my red one tickets because the theater was packed I hate sitting in a crowd of theater that's I mean I agree yeah you think it's got but you think it's going to be packed I maybe the opening weekend okay we'll see in certain areas yeah he said crowded theater my bad here's some support thank you Shane and then he said Google wicked dolls that poor film is in trouble I think it's still going to make a lot of money dude the reviews have been really really good even from people who might be cynical about it would be like that so yeah I I'm kind of going, well, maybe it is good because I haven't, I haven't liked the trailers.

I didn't either. Do you I champ. Brother Roken, I emphasize with your occasional salty mood. I passed an anti-gay political sign on the side of a highway, kicked it into a railroad track, and I have a central court hearing now on November 26th. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is why I say, you can be upset.

Don't do those things that put you in trouble. I mean, we all have a right to express our opinion. we all have a right to have feelings about these situations and certainly those of us who care about these communities we want to be allies in the best way possible but physically attacking physically doing things throwing things away we're just taking the tools of the of the other side and doing it ourselves and that's not the way to do it so i'm sorry you're going to court for that that sucks armada also did you see the return trailer yet it's out now is that the one what's the return Oh, that's the Benosh with Ray Fines, the reuniting them from English patient.

Oh, that's the, or is that that the one, that's the one from when he's in the olden times. Yes. Okay. I want to look. I remember when Sarah and I did our fall movie preview, that one, like, stood out to us. So I want to see that. Ill magic. Nolan and Reeves both have a realistic world building of Batman, but would, but would you say, what would you say makes them different?

Hard to say right now because Nolan had those three movies and, you know, Reeves has one movie plus the series, but he didn't really direct, he didn't really direct the penguin. He produced it. Yeah, he produced it. So I don't, well, what I will say what makes them different is that the rated R version to the PG-13 version. Yeah. I would also say one is distinctly Chicago.

One is distinctly New York. And I think that's the difference. And I like the Matt Reeves setting it in essence in New York. That feels more realistic in Batman to me than the Chicago settings of, of, of, you know, Batman with Christopher Nolan. And that's just the difference, not a ding. Troy Ortiz. What's Star Wars without Luke, Honlea, and Vader?

I feel the passion is gone. What's your guys' opinion? Recasting these iconic characters? They have put themselves in a place right now that I just don't think that is doable. The only way you can really do that is if Star Wars goes away for like 20, 30 years and they reboot it by remaking it. And I just think they're just invested to. much with all the stuff they did even mentioning as soka putting hayden christensen in there as aniken and doing the stuff that they did with the tv shows and all that it's just too there's too much

investment in all those different characters right now and luke just and mark hamill coming back for a certain things so recasting it i don't i don't think it's um in in the in in the near future do you think so joe yeah no i agree with you i think that would be a dangerous road to walk at this point because people are all they're waiting with their fork and knives to attack at any moment about anything you do. Recast and they'll go quick because all they'll do is like that's not my Luke or that doesn't look like, you know. Right.

But I do think they need to recast. We're way too precious about Luke and Lanhan in my opinion. Yeah. And they absolutely do need to recast them if you're going to do younger stuff with them into the timelines themselves. Totally. I think you don't, because they still don't do the deep fake technologies all the way there yet.

No, I agree. So, yeah. It's a me, Steve. Is Denzel's performance on Gladi's, to Oscar worthy. No, I think John and I both feel the same way, but it's a really fun performance. He's not in it enough to be Oscar. No, but he's, he's in it more than I thought he was, though. Fair. I, so well, okay. So I don't have scenes, I guess. Let me tell you, I don't agree with that he's not in it enough because Anne Hathaway was in one scene and won the Oscar. Oh, for, uh,

Les Miss. Right. And then Judy Dens was only, what, nine minutes of Shakespeare left. I hear what, I guess they don't put, they don't give him the scenes. They don't give him the time. Right. Which I agree with. He doesn't have, he doesn't have enough to do Oscar wise, I think. But it's a fun performance. Derek Johnson.

What Bastage thought it was a good idea to end the what if series? Whoever canceled that should be fired. Did they cancel it or did they say they were only doing three seasons? I don't remember. But I think this is the last one clearly. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm okay with that, though. I mean, you got to look at the ratings. Are the ratings high?

It's that it makes sense. It's probably the ratings are probably low, plus the fact that, well, they also don't, I thought the first season they were really going to play his multiverse stuff. I thought they were going to play it into the movies and they didn't. It's just ignored. So if you're not going to tie it into your multiverse stuff and your multiverse is about to end, then what's the point of continuing to do it? Yeah. Steph Dignanasty, aka Marvel Man. Victor could come back and could be Victor Zaz.

I don't know. Oh, Victor's as? Mr. Zaz? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I would hate it if that's the truth because I think that's a lesser character than Red Hood, but maybe. Yeah.

Josh Vaskovich. Hey, guys, just started watching The Sopranos. Fan effingtastic so far. What is your guys' overall assessment of the show? No spoilers. Well, I literally have the Pio My poster over here, too. one of my favorite shows of all time. It's great.

And what I will say is that you're lucky that you're watching it the way you are because I watched it and John watched it where we had to wait two years for a season, in between seasons. And I thought at the time that it devalued one of the seasons for me. I think it was, I don't remember it was four into five or three into four. I can't remember. But either way, by the time I got to, I'm like, oh, man, because I was like, this isn't as good as the last season.

But when you watch it all together, like from now, it's just brilliant. Plus you're getting them now in 4K 16 by 9. We had to watch it in 4 by 3. It's right. It wasn't as good in SD. Yeah, it's true. Julius Wyatt. Panthers have won two in a row.

Never thought I'd see that day. Sorry, Cage. Yeah, I know. That season's, look, the whole season's toast. Tough weekend to be a Georgia football fan. Happy Veterans Day to all who served. Well, I definitely echo that. Go ahead, John.

Yeah, Carson Beck, it's been on the deck for him to make to blow a game so no surprise uh nerdy mastermind what lessons do you think that star wars and marvel should learn from penguin to make their spin-off series moving forward better penguin has raised the bar well they're not going to take any lessons because they're not going to pay that because they don't think well marvel might but the one thing that they'll look at is they'll say look the where marvel can echo some of this is what they do in deer devil like what are they going to do in deer double they have an opportunity here now they're not going to make it as dark as Penguin is because it's just it's it's different plus it's following a hero but you can still

make it pretty gritty you can still capture that essence of you know the Netflix series and that's what they did by saying let's reshoot this thing and let's do it and you're hoping they we have so they have an option to do that and they've they've done and they're pushing the envelope with Deadpool and Wolverine and other things too um one of the things that both need to do and I think you agree with me John is stop with these 35 minute episodes. Stop this. 100%. 100%. Stop it already.

It is really, really, that's an issue. Be character-driven. Don't just try to say, well, we think, this is what we want to do here, but take the actual freaking story and let it develop. But the characters flourish. Don't just do, hit 35 minutes.

And if you're going to do, hour long episodes, then do six episodes instead of 12 or set at three or say they do five episodes and make them longer. But there's a lot more. Like I said, you got to gut the Lucasfilm TV and film department because they're going to keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again. They're terrible right now. All right. Corrin K6, Roka, when does your new channel chart and will it be weekly? I don't know, man, to be honest with you. Let me, let me keep processing things and then at some point. It's just even the sound of his voice

drives me insane. So I got to get past that if I'm going to do the channel. Miguel Zane, I needed that bat signal at the end. I needed hope in this filthy town with these nasty evil people running shit. I needed that silver lining of hope. Well, that was the point, right? It was the fact

that it was like, hey, don't forget. This is a Batman thing. Batman's still around, guys. Don't worry. So, loved that. Really love that. He'd open his gup as they can tell. Johnny, venerable. Why is the Mando movie not until 2026? Suppose they're done shooting.

Get that out. ASAP. Lucas from was waiting too long. Risk losing broad appeal. So yes and no. I think that, you know, you're waiting a while, but you're still, you're hoping the absence let's the hard, what is it, growth fawn or whatever the freaking. So that's the one thing, is that if you wait, plus the fact, 2025 is stacked, right now. I know it's massive 2020 for life. So, so wait and own it, edit it, reshoot,

whenever you need to reshoot, make sure it's perfect and land in 2026. I think May of 2026 is a good date for them at this point because it allows you to lead up. And I don't think they're going to lose it's because they're also not putting any other should put andor out, which is a good thing for them. They'll have and or people will probably be riding high off and or season two. So yeah. All right. Next. one let's see how many more we got left here just a few more John shea Markell my understanding is that they only killed Rebecca often MI7 at her request she had a few scenes but still had to stick around for massive amounts

of time waiting to shoot them and and she missed some opportunities oh I didn't hear that did you know that oh no I didn't know that but it makes sense you know because Rebecca ain't a wallflower and when she wants to be a part if you're just gonna not give her much to do she'll tell you exactly what she wants Yeah, and she's been doing a lot of stuff. I don't watch her show. Silo, is it good? I don't know.

It's good. It's really good. Everyone says good things. Monica R. Finale was amazing. I can't get enough of that world. Made me want to rewatch the Batman. Same.

Really looking forward to gladiator to seeing Anora tonight. Let me know what you think about all of those, Monica, because it seems like that's pretty interesting. Oh, yeah, shoot. So glad that Karen, Walda, Walter Malston writes, RIP to the great Tony Todd. You lost Tony Todd over the weekend. Yeah.

Yeah, which is, did you, did you interview him at Collider? No, I wish I had. That would have been fun. Like somebody did, like when he was at, I don't know if it was, it wasn't on Clyder Live or if it was. I wasn't there. But yeah, he was great, man. What a phenomenal actor he was. It would have been parry because of the horror show.

Could be. Maybe. Virginia Madsen wrote a great show. Oh, did she? Oh, beautiful. He was very well loved. He was very well loved. Never heard a bad thing about him.

Jim one, keeping an open mind about Captain America for, but I wonder if people will still be in the move for political things. thriller with all that's going on. I think it allows to, because it's in Marvel and you got a Red Hulk running around the joint, it's a little different. I think it's a legitimate concern, though, because I mean, that'll be right after,

like maybe a month after the inauguration. So I do think there's going to, because, I mean, a lot of the beats, if you saw the trailer, feels very similar to stuff that's going on. And maybe they thought a certain election was going to go a certain way. So it would be more interesting.

And now it's not. so we'll see we'll see uh Hank yeat a roca thoughts on the OG bloodline being back Arloff time to hot back on before Survivor series I will watch the survivors years but I haven't I've been I've been I just haven't enough time to watch you know you have kids you have the chat to chat I mean it's a lot it's a lot to I agree we're we're shutting down ring generals where we're going to announce it later on today we're done doing the show I just we just don't have the time I'm going to move it over to my sports channel and just do occasional wrestling stuff on the sports channel. That's kind of

related so it works. But yeah, there's just not, there's too much to watch now and there's not enough time. But yes, I love that the OGs back together. That being said, I don't think Sammy is fully in the camp. Let me just lay that down for now. You're going to stay that down for now.

Interesting, interesting. Tom Hanks, the Kermitomegel videos are so funny. Recommended. Were you on the, did I tell you about these? What is this? Oh, my God. Dude, it's so wrong, but it's so funny. You know, you know the program, Omigal, right? No, what is that?

So I don't know. Yeah, I don't even know what's still around anymore, but it was basically, you just hop from room to room talking to people, right? So, so Kermit the Frog did one, right? Did a bunch of them. You can find it on Instagram,

but it's not really Kermit the Frog. It's a guy doing his voice, and he's like, hey, how's it going? And he just talks to some woman, and he goes, and she's like, oh, I love you. He goes, yeah, how much she'll love me? And he brings up a cucumber. And she's like, oh, no.

And he's like, oh, yeah, why? What's wrong? It's it is hilarious. It is absolutely hilarious. But treat yourself and look for look for Kermit the Frogome Eagle. How are you like to do? It's hilarious. You'll lose your mind laughing.

The Callie Kid, do you know if Horizon 2 will get a theatrical release? I don't think so. I think Horizon is incredibly cinematic and exciting. Also, I hope people go to see Anora. Everyone's talking about Inora. Did you see what happened? How they took him out on the Yellowstone last night? What do you mean?

they took him out killed him yeah the character yeah how to wait but but not but he wasn't there no it was a body but it was him oh really it's a whole and they he's not coming back obviously no that's what i'm saying and they made it seem like it was one thing and it might be another thing and so they're going to be investigating his death oh wow that's the half of the of the show but it's so soap opera man this is why i can't do yellowstone yeah lion ass that's a that's a badass show yellowstone is a is a cheesy soap opera for country people drives me nuts i did like the the prequel though the 18 was it 18 oh i got to watch those i got maybe those are better i like that one um okay Hank pim watched red one last night first movie of the rock i've seen in over a decade

i can confirm he still can't act oh movie was rough other than crampus or how dare you for the rock act i guess they said he can't um there's only a couple left here john sorry uh Troy Ortiz, Roca, what went wrong with your beloved Knowles with yours, ours? And they both, they stunk up to join. That's what it was. One in nine right now. That's the worst. That's the worst that's been in a long time, right?

Decades. We haven't been a bad in decades. And he fired the offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach. But you know what? It's just a bad season. I don't think we should have fired anybody. It's just a bad season.

We almost made the national championship last year, the playoffs. So look, it's just a bad season. That's probably why they recruited a shit quarterback DJ is a terrible quarterback. Switching to sports. Do you think Aaron Boone survives? He did. He resigned. Oh, he did he?

I didn't see it. For one more year. He's back for another year. He got one more shot. And he made it to the series. Elusive Rock. It was revealed that Stranger Things 5 takes place a year after 4. How?

We have to find out when it comes out. They all don't look like a year after 4. That's right. It's true. Luke Skywanker. your stance on calzone. I love them over pizza. Well, I don't love them over pizza, but I do love Calzone. Not over pizza, but the sauce. The sauce, it's all about the sauce with Calzone. Armada. Funny how we went from Joker 2 to Penguin. Crazy. Yeah, Joker 2 just forgotten.

Forgotten. Crazy how that movie was like so everyone's looking forward to and just forgotten. Last one. J. Mobile. Victor is dead, in my opinion. Penguin has killed plenty of people to know how to choke someone to death 100%. A Lazarus Pitt revival would ruin it. I'm with you. I agree with you. Everything is ruined until you see how good it can be done. That's what I'm. That's it. All right, John, we did it. We made it. You ended in here. Oh, wait, actually. No, one more. Shane Markell, who says, you're 100% correct about Yellowstone, John. I still watch it, but I hope the worst happens to every character on that show. They're all terrible people. I just don't buy a moment that Kelly Riley tries to say badass stuff. I don't. I don't.

don't think she's badass at all that she's cosplaying go watch zoe's al dania on a lioness that's a badass you believe every moment when she's talking badass kelly's like i'm going to burn your playhouse down you're like oh god it's just not strong roxy loves kelly right no you're not on board we should have a debate me should for sure we got to do a show with you guys i would love it yeah we'd do that all right that's it guys thank you so much for joining us here today really appreciate it uh before I tell you what you should be checking out. John, real quick, where can they find you on your show? What's the name of the channel?

Please find me. The best. Yes, find me at the Roka says on Twitter and Instagram. And yes, my channel, if you haven't never heard of it before, the outlawed. It is up on YouTube. YouTube.com slash John Rokas. Get out of here. All right.

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