The Kristian Harloff Show - The Sag/WGA Strikes And Its Effect On Youtubers with Dan Murrell

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Join the site: http://www.thekristianharloff.com In this ep of the Big Thing, Kristian Harloff, Dan Murrell, Roxy Striar, and Kate Mulligan, delve into the ongoing strikes within the entertainment industry. They specifically focus on the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) strike and the Writers Guild of America (WGA) strike, analyzing their impact on the industry as a whole and, more importantly, on the lives of online pundits. The heart of the discussion is examining the impact of these strikes on online pundits. Harloff, Murrell, Striar, and Mulligan share personal anecdotes and stories of fellow pundits who have been directly affected by these strikes. They highlight the challenges faced by this segment of the industry, including decreased access to exclusive content, limited interview opportunities, and the overall uncertainty that looms over their profession. We then dive into the UAP hearings and what, if any information, will be revealed. #UAP #UFO #SAG #WGA #podcast GREEN CHEF: http://www.greenchef.com/thing50 CODE: THING 50 ROCKET MONEY: http://www.rocketomoney.com/thing

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different episode today for the big thing. As you see in the description, obviously, you're going to see Dan Merle and Kate Mulligan and Roxy Stryor in just a moment. Now, this is kind of a decision I made last night. We usually do a, like a, whether it's a live event for the website people at the Christianharlof.com, once a month,

and you can have various guests that pop in, and we have like a little kind of fun discussion party that we have specifically for the website. peeps but last night we had this conversation and Merle even jokes about at one point he's like hey this might be because we're talking about the sag strike a lot we talk about the upcoming uap hearings and all these other things but we really talked about the sag strike and the effect it had on our industry that's the majority it's the bulk of the conversation but at one point Dan's like oh is this the most boring conversation that you've had so far I'm like no it's one of the most interesting

to be completely honest I wrote to PLD who's a producer on the show and I said hey man this is a great conversation, I thought about it, like, I got to put this up as a big thing episode. Like, I think I got to make it public. I got to like let everybody be in on this conversation because it's just a great conversation that myself and Roxy and Kate and Dan had. And yeah, I was very proud of it. So I was like, yeah, why don't we, why don't we do that? Let's put that up there. And so that's what we're going to do. We're going to put this conversation you're going to see. It's a pretty long conversation with me, Dan Merle, Roxy Schreier, Kate Mulligan. And we talk really a lot of about how this strike has had an impact in general, on the business, our thoughts on it,

our thoughts on the strike itself, our thoughts on how the impact it's had on certain people, the idea that it's still a bit confusing overall of what people can, cannot do in perception and those types of things. And then obviously, they had the big UAP hearing today that Congress met on that I've been talking about, that I'll get into more depth with Riley, coming up soon. We'll probably talk about a little bit more Roxy, but we, on this show that I'm about to show you, we discuss like the upcoming stuff and kind of tell me you guys to know that I've been really into this right now and just more information to get out there. We discuss it for a little bit. So that's what's going on for today's episode. I'm excited for you guys to see it.

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Here it is. Here's the big. We're going live early, four minutes early, four minutes early on the website. So if you're brand new, you're just joining us here for the first time on the site. Thank you so much. I don't know. A lot of people watch this on the replay anyway, so it's fine. Thanks for joining us here today.

It's me, and I am not by my lonesome, because we were going to do one of the big uh the thing the big you know every me and winston nicoi and step mike and everybody too and then pl d made a suggestion is like what do you think are you and dan dan shud are you and dan merle's available i love to shoot the shit with dan merle um as as i said bias now i can say it my favorite schmodeown competitors of all time that's right sorry everybody else um but i also really like dan as a person i really like dan as a um as a film Pundit is one of the few people that I actually, when he puts a video up and watch it. I know, that's probably not the best to say, but it's true.

I like watching, hearing what the end's going to say about things. And he's, because he always, he puts, as well, you tune into my channel and you're just going to, you're going to hear, you know, New York idiot laughing about nonsense and then giving his film opinions. But then you want to talk, you want to talk to a real film pundit, someone who really understands the breakdown of filmmaking. love for it's Dan Merle so we're going to talk to Dan and i'm definitely going to talk to him about my latest fascination you guys know it and tomorrow we got those hearings baby who's watching them

who's watching them i said dan kind of tilt his head not knowing what i'm talking about that's a problem that's a problem and we got to get to the bottom of why more poor people are not talking about this guys we'll talk about it the dan with dan as well so again thanks for everybody who's joining us i know Again, you're coming in a little, when you're walking in here right now, you're going, hey, you go start early. Yeah, we started a little early. So I'm going on my little monologue. But without further, do, ladies and gentlemen.

Oh, we got to look at this. It's not going to just be, what's up, Dan Merle. Hello. Guess what? What? Uh-oh, do we have a new, another player three entered the game? Game, if we have someone else who entered the game. But before we, before we bring in,

said guest. Yeah, so you were going to say, you were coming in. Do you know what I'm talking about? No, I don't. And it's because you shouldn't feel bad, by the way. I think that most people overestimate how much people that are on YouTube watch other YouTube channels because I don't, I actually don't watch very many myself because it's like, I'm usually working.

So I don't have a whole lot of time. And when I do, honestly, the last thing I want to watch usually is movie stuff. I want to watch like, I've been on those insider videos lately, which is kind of like movie stuff, but it's like, you know, we asked a guy who knows Heist to say, how real are the oceans, is Oceans 11? That kind of stuff. I'm into that. That's fun. That's fun stuff for sure.

Yeah. I don't get into reviews and stuff that much on my downtime because it's like, that's my, that's my work time, too. So I feel bad. It's the same. But like, for me, it's like, it's, it's the way you kind of break stuff down. Like, I was telling you before we went on the air. the like the sag stuff that you did i thought was really great that not only the stuff about how about everything in general and we'll talk about it with our special guests as well too because

um they are very involved with with um with both strikes both strikes oh but um but i will say that i don't know who the guest is i'm trying to guess uh who it is i'll give you a guess before we before we bring them in um but um yeah and i and i think that when you were breaking that down but then you here's my thing with the whole influencer we're viewer thing. I am on this same exact page that you are on. And I said this on my live stream earlier today is that I am a member of SAG. I support SAG. I support the writers. I support everything that they're fighting for. The only thing I wish that they would be a little bit more clear with are people that are doing reviews and TikToks and all that type of stuff because there

are people who are in, you know, bump fuck nowhere. And they're like, oh, should I not post videos? because I'm not supporting. That's not how it works. Now, if you or I were invited to a screening by, let's say, Universal, universal says, all right, Dan, you know what I'm going to do? We're going to pay you $2,000 to go see this movie, but you've got to post it on Twitter. You've got to post it at 9 a.m.

You've got to put that you can't do. That's paid studio publicity. Yeah, I actually started posting to TikTok for the first time, like a couple weeks ago. I saw. And I have it posted again because literally it was right. as the strikes were going on. And like, the second thing I posted was like, hey, I'm going to do reviews for these reasons.

And I just got all this is like, oh, okay, scab. I'm like, you know, I don't need this in my life. So I haven't even, you know, because apparently TikTok is like the place where a lot of people are like, if you're reviewing movies, you're doing publicity. I don't care what you say. I don't care what Sag After says. I don't care what anybody says.

You're a scab. I'm like, well, I don't need that in my life. That's so silly. It's so silly. It is because it's not, it's not publicity. Like film criticism. is not publicity and anybody who's seen me review a Transformers movie can attest to that

except for the last one which I did like. Listen, there's a, there is a conversation and and I agree with that anything in general of some guy walking down the street who has never turned on a camera nor picked up a pen in his life to write a review or anything. Walking down the street

has a Batman shirt on. That person in essence is promoting Batman. Yeah. They're not, you know, they're not actively promoting it. They're wearing it because they like Batman, but they're promoting it because when they're walking down the street, someone could look over and go, oh, guys, I'm watching Batman tonight. And goes and pays for a Batman rental or whatever it might be. But he's not actively being asked by the studio to wear that shirt and to do those things. And like, we want you at this time, we know

there's about a bunch of people going to be walking around, go and wear this shirt and go over there. Then he's being paid to promote. And then he's, that's the difference of it. And, People don't understand that. And like the other thing is reviewers, reaction, and say I can even put something out that criticism is not a, and, you know, a violation of it, you know, and it's like. And I'm not even in the union. So it's like, it's not even like, you know,

I don't even have to worry about it on that level. It's some people just, they, they make up their minds about things. See, I am. I am. And I wrote an email. And I said, yeah, I need to, if you guys can be a little bit more clear because I'm hearing different things, that was six days ago, they wrote back.

when I paid the dues and I think that there's something about where they're like, you know, they probably also don't want people to go and see these things. I'm like, look, we're not going to tell anybody not to see it, or not to review it. We're not going to tell anybody to do that. But if they don't,

you know what, we're not going to say anything about that either because that does punch the studio in the pocket. Yeah. I mean, somebody asked me about that and they were and they said, well, it was on my charts video by box office video today. And they're like,

well, aren't you kind of playing into it, like, because I was talking about the AMPTP a little bit, and aren't you sort of playing into their hands by, you know, talking about box office and like, being happy that these movies made money because that helps the studios. And I'm like, the way that I see it actually is this weekend, to me, proved the value of writers and actors and directors more than literally almost every weekend ever at the box office. because like AI and the CEOs didn't write and direct Barbie. Right. You know, that was Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach. We're on strike.

And Killian Murphy, a brilliant performance. He's on strike. And, you know, it's like, to me, the fact that both those movies did really well, like, that's kind of a kick in the dick to the studios a little bit because they can't be like, we're not making any money off this stuff. See, like the market just doesn't support it anymore. It's like, no, it does. You just have to like.

This is how valuable they are. It's not what they're going to, you know. No, they'll spin it. They'll spin it. But we actually have two guests now, dear. Oh, geez. Wow. Okay.

So do you want, I'm going to give you a, I'm going to give you a guess. I'll give you one guest to get the first person. You said our first guest was in SAG or mixed up in SAG after and involved. Involved in both, in both. In both. In both. So perhaps someone in front of the camera. and a scribe, as the trades would say.

I love their stupid, outdated words, a scribe. Could be a scribe. Could be ascribed. Could be associated with scribes. I mean, you get some great guests, Christians. So I say, welcome to the big thing, Greta Gerwig. You got it. Nailed it.

Hey. Hey, guys. It's me, Greta Gerwig. Do you remember when Timothy Shalameh was the best Lori since Christian Bail? I sure do. How are you? Kate Mulligan, I've got so much to say

about what you were talking about. Okay, so yeah, where do you stand on that? Because then we're going to bring our final guest. Oh, yeah, you can bring the next guest in. I can, I'd like to do that. Yeah, do that. This is your show. Okay.

Because our special guests will also have a lot to say about this as well, too. Now, Kate, you know who the special guest is? Oh, yeah. Okay, so Dan, I'm going to give you another guest. okay no hints here though let's say i'll give you a hints um involved in it has has has has well is very passionate about both of the strikes but has stake in one particular one for sure there's a stake in one particular one for sure so perhaps acting more than writing or writing more than acting that would be a good way to single it out describing more than imbibing

describing more than whatever they use for actors. It could be a thespian. Could be a thespian. Yeah, could be a thespian. Yeah, I mean, I'll say, oh, let's see. Who could it be? I'm actually going to make a real guess here. Yep.

Noah Baumbach. You guys say say Noah Baumbach. Parrot. Perot. I knew it. I'm going to say John Roker. Good. call. It is me.

It's done, it's God. Where's your cowboy? Yeah. I don't know. Good question. I have, I do have one. Did you fix the white balance on your camera?

No. Because it looks good. Wow. Shady. Shady and helpful. It looks really good, I should say. It's always, I gave you compliment the second you set up your studio, so you know that I like. No, I'm with you.

all my shit looks. There's no rhyme or reason. Sometimes it looks good. Sometimes it doesn't look good. Right now I don't have my red lights behind me. I didn't turn them on. So maybe that's why. I can't be a tech wizard. I don't know how. And I wasn't born to do that part. I'm good at like four things in life. And the rest of it. I'm so so bad at it is unbearable. Well, we're glad to have you because this is actually going to be a good conversation because all four us have strong opinions on all of this, all four of us can have intelligent conversations, which is other. And all four of us are not on the same page when it comes, well, not necessarily not the same page, but like, nervous about certain things as opposed to others who might not be, right? But Kate, you heard Dan and I talking about it before. What would you like to respond with? Well, I feel like in order to be a scab, you have to be

somebody who crosses a picket line for one of the two unions. And you have to do that most likely as a union member. So Dan Merle can do literally anything and never be a scab if he's not in SAG or in the Writers Guild. And neither union expects people who aren't in their unions to boycott that nobody's even asking that. I think when the Writers Guild strike started, so for those of you don't know, my husband's in the guild, he's a guild captain for the Writers Guild. He has a John Nickelodeon called Aaron and Aaron, and the strike came along, and he walked out. He didn't get to film the last two episodes. He didn't get to edit the last seven episodes.

And he was proud to do it because he believes very much in the union. But very early on in the strike, he saw people that were driving into the studio and people on the Guild and the Writers Guild were yelling scab at them. And Dickie's like, it's not cool. They're not scabs. He's like, that could be a janitor going into Warner Brothers. That could be a PA going into Warner Brothers. That could be, so he's like, it's not, stop that.

And eventually, like, then they stopped doing that. But the truth is anybody who's going to make you, like, you guys are not being paid on YouTube by SAG. You're not. And I think, obviously, anything, like, if people think, oh, promoting a movie, yeah, the actors are not allowed to promote their movies right now. If it's Europe, like, that sucks for, that sucks for, who's got a movie that's going to be coming out soon.

You know, like, but at the same time, like, that maybe that movie will be held or whatever. It's just to me, you have to be in the union in order for it to be wrong for you to cross the picket line. Nobody else is expected to, you can stand in solidarity and still do what were you? I have a question, because he said he was a guild captain, which is amazing. Is it like the National Reserve where like once the strike is called, is there like a uniform and six? Does he get the title? Do you address, does he address as such for the duration of the strike? Only behind closed doors.

I'll tell you, yeah. He's got a special uniform for me. Now, he has a vest, and they were all given these hats that say captain. And then he's basically, he was, like most writers get to decide when they're going to show up to the picket. He got assigned a gate and a time. So, and then people check in with him, and he sort of makes sure things are safe. And for a while, he was told to because the Teamsters, the woman that's in charge of the Teamsters, had vowed solidarity that the Teamsters were also not going to cross picket lines. He was supposed to photograph for the Teamsters every truck that went through because they were considered scabs.

I have a couple of follow-ups for you, Kate. Number one, because I keep getting this question and I don't know the answer to this. how did Dickie become a captain? Well, so he started being a captain on one of his shows, one of the shows he was, sorry, not his shows. How did one become a captain? Like, are you voting? So basically every show that you get put on, or every movie, I suppose, every show that you get put on, they look for a representative. And like, so he was the captain for the room on the thunderments when he wrote on the thunderments.

And so what happens is you become the liaison between the thunderments and the guild. So any problems that NB is like, wait, I think this is against this is a guild violation. I think that Dita, then Dickie's the liaison. Now, what I will say is Christian, you said that you wrote SAG six days ago. And Christian, come on. What happened? I don't know what happened. Sorry.

No, you don't. You really, that wasn't a bit. I actually thought it was on Rock season. I was like, uh-oh, she's out. The white balance kicked her out. Yeah, good. What were you saying, Kate? No, anyway, basically, so then once you become a captain,

then you sort of stay in. the captain, like there's like a, not a captain list serve, but you could have been a captain for a show years ago, but you're still considered a captain. So those are the people that sort of go forward and now are, when there's a strike, are now also, if they want the position, can stay in that position to organize the strike. Christian, you saying that you wrote SAG six days ago and never got an answer. Right. This is, this is a real stark difference to the Writers Guild. Mass is different. Yeah. No surprise. Yeah. They are the Writers Guild. They are the They write those emails quickly.

But obviously the number of people involved in each guild is very different. And what I would say to you is the SAG is still trying to figure it. They haven't had to strike in so long. They don't have their organization down per se. So it's not, I don't think they were as quick to. Well, they even what they were clear about this is like they were clear about, you know, a couple of times with the criticism as far as what a critic is. And as far as if you're critiquing work, the net, they don't expect.

critics to stop. I think that what has happened is that influencers, a lot of people I've seen on YouTube who've shut down their YouTube channels and the and the way they've been doing it, two of them have been two, I mean, two reasons why they've been doing this. One because they don't really know what they can or cannot do. And like you said, okay, I think one of the reasons why someone who's not in the union, why they're not doing it is because of the fear of, well, if they see some of the stuff that I do and I mean, they're going to take that as if I didn't support them and then they're not going to let me in the union when I, when my time has come that I can do that. So it's like this thing of like, I'm not saying that they're, they're,

purposely putting the fear out there, but they're not answering enough questions. So there is a lot of fear out there. So that's part one. Part two is that the, that the, a lot of the channels that I've seen that are shutting down the channels are doing this thing as far as, well, we want to be in solidarity to say, we're not going to cover these things and we support you. And I understand that logic, but the thing is it's, it's not what they're asking for. And that that's what they need to be more clear about, because what they're asking for is a Again, as I mentioned with Dan, someone says, okay, so I'm going to pay you X amount of dollars. Like if whatever the next we're going to see Paramount calls.

It says, okay, teenage me, New Jersey hurdles, we're going to pay you X amount of dollars to go see that movie. And then I need you to post it at this. I need you to post on Instagram. And for that, you're going to be paid X. Now you are crossing the line. Now you are a scam because now you are getting paid promotion as opposed to doing your job, which they're not paying for my gas. They're not paying for the stuff I have to do.

You're not paying for the electricity when I shoot my, when I shoot my stuff to do my thing. And that that's the difference that a lot of people aren't really understanding. I think also part of the problem is if you're doing anything that's going to prolong the strike, then it's, then it's problematic. But reviewing content that Erdi exists, an actress who have already turned in their performances, honestly, only like to, like, I don't know, I hope somebody, some reviewer watches Aaron and Aaron talks about it because we can't talk about you.

I mean, like, I hope somebody's like, guys, this new kid show hit Netflix in September. I hope that somebody like goes out and does that because otherwise like the stuff that's already been shot, what I would say is like if Christian or Dan, if the studio said to you, hey,

we know you're not in the guild, but we really like the way you cover movies. Would you ever consider writing for us a show about now you're cross. Now, now they know they can hire a people then you've prolonged the strike being settled right you guys reviewing stuff that's already been out there feels like it should not be in a violation but what you are

talking about so what what i started doing in my review is uh like and i'm going to do it for the duration of the strike is if it's a if it's a struck studio so 824 if i do talk to me the 824 is not the amp tp and i talked about it on my chart show this week because they've gotten waivers and stuff um but you know, like in my review of Barbie, I just add like one little line. So I'll be like, you know, Barbie directed by Greta Gerwig and written by her in Noah Bombach and it's about this, that, and the other. And then I'll be like, it's also being released by Warner Brothers who paid their executive $25 million last year and claims that they don't have the money to pay that as writers.

And then I just keep going with their review. And it's just like that's getting dropped into every single review until the strike is over because it's like, you know, I think people should be, stay aware of it. And don't let it just kind of fade into the background. And that's the other thing that I enjoy doing. And it's something else if we're talking about doing what they asked for because the one thing I've seen them continually say is talk about it, feature it, tell people what's going on, why they should care. So many people in my channel are like, why should I care about a bunch of millionaires on strike? They all make $20 million a movie.

It's like that is 50 people out of 160,000 or however many of Sag After Rivers there are. Like that is not, it's not even close to that. Yeah, Ted rocks. It's insane. I think that a couple of things. Number one, I think that we're, all it is is our opinion interpreting the information they have trickled out through all different arenas. They, Christian, you don't think that they are being unclear on purpose or you didn't say that they are. I do think that they're probably being unclear on purpose.

They're not answering emails on purpose, maybe. I mean, I've emailed them multiple times. I know you have too. And also 80 of my friends have emailed them multiple times. And they are not equipped to handle this right now because like Kate said, this is not a common occurrence with that. So we can all pretend that we know the answers. Right.

But really, we don't. No, we don't. We're doing the best we can to interpret the information that they've put out on Instagram, on their website, and that variety article. We're all reading the same shit. Right. just reading it slightly differently. So while Kate believes that neither SAG nor the WGA is asking only their members to do anything,

that is not my interpretation of what has been put out there because they have blatantly stated that that is not what they think. Now, again, I talked about this on my show. I don't really give a fuck what anybody chooses to do during this time if to me they aren't clearly crossing the picket line, which we've already discussed. I think that it is, everybody has to do what they can to survive to feed their families and still remain true to themselves and be able to look in the mirror. And I don't think a single one of my friends has done a bad job navigating this. Yeah. And it shouldn't be a judgment, right? There shouldn't be a

judgment on it either way. It's like I feel like it's unfortunate for some people that I've seen people who I can confidently say. There are people that, let's say, have a small YouTube following of 200 subscribers that are not posting content right now because they're afraid that they're not going to get into the union or they're afraid that they're not supporting. And they're building.

And YouTube is a game, Dan, as you know, you stop momentum for a week and that can hurt you. Like, if you stop posting videos for a week, that algorithm is going to make you pay for it. I've got a three-week honeymoon that is haunted. my dreams right now, Christian, for the exact reason, because it's not like, I'll do a channel takeover, Dan. Yeah, let me. Raxie and I will take it over for you. No problem. Yeah, absolutely. I can pull out my baseball caps right now, Dan. I've got a pair of glasses that aren't.

I've got flannels. I'm ready to go. Honestly, I'll just put Neil in front of the camera. Same diff. I mean, honestly, probably better. Right. Your channel will go viral within. But no, in the same thing, it's like, yes, but I don't, anybody who's doing it, like I said, it's, it's unfortunate, but I understand why they're doing it. And then there's some other, there's some prominent YouTube channels that I've seen at you. And I saw someone today that posted this whole thing and they're not there. And they haven't got answers from SAG yet, but in the time being, they're not, they're not putting content out. And I'm like, and they're not in the union.

And it's like, you're not posting stuff. And this is how these people make their living. And it's like, no one's being clear with them. The other thing that I, but I respect it, and I do respect it for sure. What I don't respect is, is anybody on, let's say, the opposite side that if they don't know a clear-cut thing and they're like, oh, you're posting, I haven't gotten this. Maybe behind my back, I'm sure I have, but I haven't gotten this to where it's like one of these things. I've gotten several text messages about you, Christian. Oh, really?

Several. To all of which I reply saying, I think he's doing a great job navigating his channel. Because like you're not doing- You feel like SAG has said people that aren't in our union should not be reviewing content. You feel like they've said it? That's pre-Sag members and non-union members who are-Pose. Pre-Sag is that like somebody in the field said this to Dickie.

One of his friends said, saying that your pre-Writers Guild is like saying I'm pre-NBA. You're not in the guild to you're in the guild, bitch. Like it's just, that's like such a threat on SAG's part. And I feel like, fuck them. if that's their take on it. The way that they're not, nobody outside of the guild owes that guild anything. I think that they don't feel that way.

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I'm going to be green chef. A lot of people picket lines right now are talking about this. They're like, why, why didn't, why wasn't this a problem when WGA has been striking for three months? And now all of a sudden people are confused about what they're allowed to do. Because SAG has different rules and standards and things that they're asking. And SAG also, one of the biggest problems that we're seeing is that like Dan mentioned, they're 160,000 SAG members. They are all in drastically different places.

When I'm on the picket lines, I'm talking to Michael Chickles and David DeKovny and Joey King. And then I'm talking to people who have a vested interest in being in SAG one day. And what people want is so different, what they care about. And it's just the union is massive. I mean, it's truly massive. It's massive and it's messy because of that very thing. There's this gray area. I think the thing I started seeing it pop up was,

you're right, because like the Writers Guild, it seemed fairly straightforward for whatever reason. But was, because SAG put out the SAG after, put out the thing that was like, first of all, influencers,

what's an influencer? Who counts as one? I don't consider myself. I don't call myself an influencer and I don't consider myself an influencer because I do news. I do reviews. Like that's just, I feel like I fall under the journalism category.

Yeah. But some people would say that I'm absolutely an influencer. I just come from, I'm a little bit older. But also there's, you know, the guidelines they put out, they're like, you know, influencers who aren't, you know, shouldn't post about publicity about movies paid or organically. So it's like, okay, number one, what do you consider publicity? And I know that there have been these things that have come out, like, that have said criticism isn't. But SAG, you know, hasn't put out that like official press release saying that, you know, criticism. isn't and then it's like what do you mean post organically publicity so like is somebody saying

i saw oppenheimer and it was great on on threads is that publicity organically posted will somebody get in trouble for that there's so much gray area and it's just leaving room and no one's being clear so that's that's why those seven or eight texts that you get is roxy is so irrelevant because they don't have any answers either they have their little pocket of you know i think that's relevant I think that their opinion is as relevant as each one of your opinion. That's what I'm saying. It's your opinion, man. And it's like, you don't have, you don't have an answer.

It's different if it's like, no, no, no, no, we know because we've been talked to. Then it's like, wait a minute. If you know and you've been talked to about it and you have real clear cut answers, please let me know because I am, I'm going to guarantee that most of those people that text you were not in the union. I am in the union. And I have not, I got an email today from not about that, but. about what's going on in general and what we're asking for and I've said it I'm very clear on the shows that you've been on with me and all the other shows that I've done I'm full support of all of it

and in no world if if I'm getting offered a gig by any of them I'm going to say oh yeah sure why not that's not the thing I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing to support as you mentioned Roxy to support my family to continue to do my work and stay in in the guidelines of what they posted as far as criticism and reviews. Now, as far as an influencer, I think that there's also a difference, and this is the verbiage that people use. And sometimes, again, why it is so important to use the right verbiage, because I think even when they write influencer, what in essence they mean, at least in my opinion, is paid

influencer because that's a lot of what I think of when I hear influencer. I think somebody that is paid by a company to do a certain thing, which is, but again, it's all opinion. It's gray area. There's no answer. It seems like paid or non-paid or all the things. Why does it keep saying paid or non-paid? Because I don't, I thought I understood when they were saying promotion,

that they meant paid promotion. Paid or non-paid promotion. And that's like, what is, what is? And also, you know, okay, say you're like 17 right now and living in Nebraska. Medesto. Medesto is the first place I thought of it. Okay, Modesto. And you're in Modesto and you go and see one of the big movies that's out

and then you put out a bunch of social posts about it. Is that promotion or no because you don't have enough followers or no because you're not... And you want to join the union one day? I just... I'm unclear. It seems to me like it's an overreach on SAG's part to say. And so I hope that they're saying this in an effort to scare people who really want to be in the union from doing this.

But also good luck tracking it. That's A of all. But B of all, that would be, it seems to me the equivalent of SAG saying, if you are a janitor at Warner Brothers Studio, we recommend not showing up because if the executives don't have clean bathrooms, then the strike ends sooner. And to me, it's like you don't get to tell people to not go to work if they are not in your union.

Right. And I think, especially, it also seems to me like SAG's doing a disservice to their actors who are in things right now to say that people who aren't in the union shouldn't be promoting these films in any way. I have a great point on his video that what he's doing is he's essentially he because

they can't right now and what he's been by talking about it for us we can't do it. It's not even promotion as much it's like you're having a conversation about it in the same way that if my dad who has a Facebook account goes and sees Indiana Jones tomorrow you know and then he posts oh I like

the Indiana Jones movie oh Phil Hall you just cross the line. What are he talking about? He's a 70-year-old man who just went and saw a movie and posed. That's not... What's the recourse sag has if you're not in the union? Okay, so I do think that there's a couple of things.

Like, I hear you guys completely. I partially agree and I partially disagree. I think that they actually are going to probably do a pretty decent job tracking this. All four of us here have friends who have posted on social media saying that if they deem somebody to be a scab based on whatever their interpretation is, they're shooting those emails over to SAG. And SAG's not reading them. No, but that's not the point of my comment.

The point of my comment is that there are people right now who are out there thinking they are little SAG warriors and they're going to report everybody to SAG. I do think there's going to be people who do things during this time that are not going to be able to join the union. I really believe that is true. Do I believe that should be true? that's not mine to interpret. I can tell you this.

They cash, they cash my check and my dues went through. I'll tell you that. I also don't, I think that there's no such thing as a perfect strike, right? They're doing what they can right now to try and get a little bit closer.

SAG is miles and miles away from these studios in making an agreement. We keep seeing the posts come out about what SAGs asked for, what the studio is offering. I think that they are, feeling like their backs are against the wall because they kind of are. They're feeling that heat, that pressure of their members not being able to survive during

this time. And they are trying to do the best they can to figure out how to put pressure on these studios. These studios, about 15 people being the problem, none of us being the problem. You guys know the Zaslovs of the world, Iger. Right, right. They're doing the best they can. And do I think it's great to tell people who aren't in a union? here's what we're hoping that you do or here's what we're expecting or you won't be allowed in the union

might not necessarily be my choice but do I feel like that that might speed along the process might no I mean I have no I have no expectation or aspirations of joining the union you know maybe I'll have a brilliant idea one day right but I'm not planning to become you know I don't think I would ever qualify for union membership for what I do for me it's all about just being like they have my absolute support. And I wouldn't. And the people say like, well, you know, I'm like, no, I would, I wouldn't anyway. I don't take paid anything from studios because I don't want to be in a position where

if I take a paramount job and then I give a Paramount movie a good review, well, then it becomes like, well, you're only giving that movie a good review because you took the money from Paramount. That's just in general, I don't take studio money for anything. But let's say I did, I would absolutely, even though I don't want to be in the union, I have no aspiration to be in the union, I would not take studio money to do anything right now during the strike because I would consider that, well, they can't go to these people so they're going to me. To me, that would be doing something that contributes to the strike. Here's a tricky thing, Jan. Here's a tricky thing, too, because this is a rule also that says, like, you can do anything that has a, that you signed a deal before the strike itself happened.

Right. So I had. Yeah. Yeah. So like I have yeah. And I'm still going through notes with one. There's a particular thing. Talk about it here. It's fine. It's a Jurassic Park thing, right? That I shot a long time ago, shot a while ago, signed it five days before the, the strike happened. And they're still going through notes and putting stuff as far as like, I'm not shooting anything more. It's all edited. It's all done. But it's like then when it comes out, I'm like, you know, then it's a, What do I do? Do I put up this deal was because that does scare me. So I'm like, this deal was made before the, the strike, you know, like that's where I go, okay, that's a, that's a trickier situation for me because I know when I signed it. I have the documentation and prove that's when I signed it. But that doesn't change somebody who then sees a video of mine and goes, well, wait a minute, do me a favor. Can you prove that you sign up? They're going to say right away.

They're going to go, oh, you've got that deal that you did with Jurassic for Jurassic Park. And you're breaking your rules of what you said. This isn't criticism. This is something, you know what I mean? So it is that it does. I have that question. Yeah. I have that too, and I've been thinking a lot about in my posts how I'm going to navigate

that. And I do think I'm just going to say it. The same one, the Jurassic Park thing? No, no, no, no. A different situation. I think I'm just going to write. This deal was made before the strike. Yeah.

You also have the receipts for that. I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I think people go after who they can because, you know, I've kind of been sitting back too. And like, you know, like, well, none of the stars of Oppenheimer, they're all on strike. So Christopher Nolan was left to do the publicity for the movie and was at the premiere.

And in the back of my head, I'm like, pretty sure he's in the Writers Guild. He's on the Writers Guild. I mean, that seems like way more of a gray area. Or like I saw somebody doing it that did a panel at Comic Con that was for a project that was for one of the, you know, a member of the AMPTP. And it's like, well, no, they're there as a, you know, as a producer. And, you know, and it's just like, yeah, but they're also an actor and a writer. So it's like, but they're kind of like there's no real value in going after those names because it's more about. And listen, I think the A&P, I've said it before.

I think the A&P is gross and they're dirty. And I think that whoever gave that quote about starving writers out just absolutely just doesn't. I'm glad they said it because that allowed people to understand who I think some of these people are. I think that they are also out there fomenting a lot of this stuff. They want the actors focused on each other. They want them fighting with each other. They want them forget about the fact that they're the people that everyone's focus should be on. They want everybody trying to hash this out with each other.

I 100% think, and again, I'm not in the union, but I 100% think that that whole Fran Dresher's story on the eve of the strike about like, well, if she was so concerned with the negotiations, then why was she in Italy doing this big promotional appearance? I 100% think that that was a lot of people on A&PTP side. Yes. Working that through the press to try to discredit her and make Christine like a hypocrite as the negotiations were ending. From an outsider's perspective, I think there's 100% an effort to keep people fighting with each other because then you're not focusing on them. Do you know how many writers were working up until 1159 on May 1st because at 12 o'clock on May. That doesn't make them bad people. that's just their last paycheck that they're going to get for the next however many months.

The strike doesn't start until the strike starts. A brand was not working. She was on a yacht in Italy. But she, I mean, unless she's lying, she said that was a paid appearance as a brand ambassador for that brand. Unless she's completely making that story up, she said that was there because I was getting a paycheck. You guys are completely right that I agree that the MPP is planting things and wants us, fighting with each other and that's is it's working to a certain extent but i just think that if you are the president of sag and and 160,000 people are about to lose their jobs you don't go to italy

absolutely but was it illegal fighting no no no was it a bad look no no no of course not of course not i just thought but now i think she's doing a great job and i'm really fucking stoked that she's in uh the seat that she is but yeah she's doing i think she's since since it's been since that situation she's been doing everything that she's been on the line she's been talking 10 other things what she said about the writers guild too beforehand right yeah i think leading up to it she was probably preparing herself for battle right and didn't didn't really say or have the right things in place before but i think that the question is once she's gone to the lines has she been the person for the job and i say the answer to that is yes i think she yeah yeah so but it's also why one of those things where the majority

of stuff, and I think we all talked about this, where the SAG is fighting a particular fight that they need to win for their union members in general, which is the right fight that they're fighting. And so even if they are ignoring emails or not able to get

to emails, rather you benefit of the doubt, because it's not to them at the moment, even though it might be inconsiderate, we can say. It's not the priority to them. The priority to them is to get this done, to get these people, to get in the lines, to get these people, to get these people in the room and to get the fair thing.

I get it. It's the people on the side going, well, wait a minute. What's that person doing? I know what my rules are. Follow my rules. And it's like you don't know what the rules are. So stay in your lane. Stay in your thing.

And if I get an email that says, hey, this is so-and-so, one of your SAG reps, you're in the union, and we would like you to stop doing this thing because, then I will stop. Because to me, that is. is I'm in this union. They're asking me, my union that I'm a part of that texting McGillicuddy is not a part of, has not asked me to do that. And there's been no clear cut thing that has said to me, there's been speculation by some people. But when they ask me to, that's when it's clear, then that's the thing. But again, full support on the actual things that they are fighting for and not

who the next Lex Luther is and somebody did a video on it. It's also important for people to remember at home that if you are not in the union, you do not get the benefits of being in the union. So things right now, like companies that are saying you get $300 free groceries a week here until the strike is done if you present your SAG card or places that are saying that you get 25% off, there's tons of restaurants, or access to strike relief funds, which go through the union. If you are not in the union, you do not have access to union benefits during this time. And therefore, you do not get the same support of the union and should not be required or it is much more challenging to have to do what the union is asking.

I mean, that's sort of where, I mean, you know, if they came out and had a press conference, if SAG after came out and they had a press conference, they said, listen, we really feel like to get this thing moving, we have to draw a hard line. And we are asking our colleagues in the criticism community to hold reviews because we feel that this would have a measurable effect, then, you know, know, I think I would probably say, okay, you know, but, but to what you're saying, Roxy, does it just sort of be like, well, you know what? I've decided that I'm going to take this stand. And I'm not, and I said it in my, I'm not judging anybody who made the personal

decision to say, I'm not going to review movies during the strike because I feel like, it's just not something I want to do. I 100% support that decision. But then to kind of point to someone else and say like, and you shouldn't either. It's like, this is my job. It's just, you are basically saying that you need to follow my. own stand what I've decided and you need to basically quit your job for an indeterminate amount of time with nothing no you know because it's like well you know you can review well the funny thing is some people said well I'm not going to review new movies during the strike I'm only going to review old movies I'm like that's the same thing that's literally those are both struck projects any old thing from a

studio any same thing that was because of what they came out with Dan with that said that any current struck project that was released after July 12th so I think people said that because that was at that time my interpretation. I didn't understand why, but that was my interpretation of what they were asking was that if it was not a after July 12th struck project that you could speak on it because it's confusing. But they're right. You can't go to conventions and talk about your old work. So then they're like, so old work is struck. But it's, but my point being like I understand I respect people's decisions who aren't in the union as far as film critics go to do this in

solidarity. And I would, you know, if that's what they choose, but to just sort of like draw this line in the sand and say like, you need to do it too. I'm like, first of all, I disagree with the fact that criticism is publicity wholeheartedly. And I don't think it's in violation. And I think we need a thriving film community right now. And I was happy to tell people to go see Oppenheimer. Because if these movies don't make any money, a lot of people say like, oh, if all the movies bomb, then the producers will be forced to make a deal. No, they're going to close those purse strings, even tighter. And they're say, see, we told you, there's just no money in it. Whereas, if Barbie goes out and makes a billion dollars,

it's going to be real, pardon my French, fucking hard for David Zosseloff, the sit at the negotiating table and say, like, we can't afford to pay Greta Gerwig guys. I'm sorry, Barbie only made a billion dollars. I mean, where's the revenue stream for this kind of thing? That's my opinion. It's totally true. It's like you see, you don't think that people, like, Margo Robbie and freaking Ryan Gossinger and Greta Gory wants you to talk about their movie.

Of course they do. Of course they want to be. Because that's how they're going to get supported inside of all this. You're not you're not just supporting the studio. You're supporting them. You're supporting all the people that are involved in. It's the same. It's a different conversation.

But it's the same way when somebody in a particular film causes a bunch of chaos. And they're looked upon a particular way and was like, I'm not supporting that person. I'm not going to see their movie. And then you're like, well, yeah, but what about all the other people involved? Right. too. So yes, it's studio that's giving you the money and they're making money, but you're also taking away from the actors, the directors, the writers. And as Dan said, them going, well, if you guys would have been out there promoting and done all this stuff too, you would have, you would have,

you would have made this money. Nobody really is going to the theater anyway. We got to scale back. We can't give you this. We can't give you that. So I'm with Dan, 100 percent. And I think that when it comes to, like I am, as I said already with the unions, I made that clear that I'm in support with what they're fighting for. But I'm also, as Dan said, I'm full support. I've told you this on air, off air, full support that you don't feel comfortable in certain talking about things and everything too. I don't necessarily think that you have to do it, but I, I, I respect you because I also, it's a sliding, it's a movement. I'm going to see how it goes. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't make a video coming out being like,

here's what I am and I'm not talking about. Right. Right. I don't actually know, like Amy Schumer, I just saw posted, put out her thoughts on Barbie because she was supposed to be in it and wasn't in it. And so, and I was like, okay, so Amy Schumer talked about Oppenheimer and Barbie. And then got kicked out of Sack. And what Dan publicly in Times Square today, I saw. It's crazy. Right in the middle of Times Square and they recreated the Hunger Games to kick her up. I going to what Dan said earlier and what you agree with Christian, I will say like, and I'm not, I don't, I'm not talking about it because I'm not allowed to talk about it.

But I'm devastated about the fact that I worked my whole life to star in a movie that I, each one of the three of you guys in here were going to get a phone call about. And I can't call you and ask you to look like I'm devastated about that. This is people who are saying, does your movie fall in the category of on an AMPTP platform? It is. It is. Oh, it's distributed through the AMPTP. Yeah.

So it was probably a tag. agreement that she's shot it under yeah i i i'm got i mean it's because what you guys are saying is true all i want is for people to talk about the movie right all i want right i got it that i can't talk about but i understand why you can't like that that i get like i i like that that rule i understand but like i don't like if dan watches it you should be able to talk about it yeah and it's like and it's the same thing it's like those people like that are just and that was what i was saying it said the people who are then saying, well, I don't know for sure, as Dan said. I don't know for sure.

But look, you, you, you, we all agree with each other. So because we all agree, if they don't do it, then we're going to call them out. I'm going to text Roxy and ask them why he's doing that then. And it's such a self-righteous thing. It really is. It's not what they're doing, not if they're deciding not to do it. Again, respect to them and respect, as I said to Roxy, I agree, do it. And if you feel like that's how you're going to support, then please support that way.

but how dare you? How dare you look upon someone else and text Roxy and say, why is Christian doing this? He's scabbit. You don't know shit. You don't know shit. You know what? I didn't have my texts were Christians doing it.

Why aren't you doing it? And I also don't take my, what I can do from what you do. Right. No, you're your own person. Because you also, you don't sleep with his wife just because he does. You're not, but the joke is you're not putting food on my, on my, on my family's table. That's part one. Part two is I actually did also have a conversation about that with you and this. This is what I understand when it comes to like,

because Corey, not comfortable talking about stuff right now. You're not. And I said, look, there's a difference between, let's say myself, Dan, and like Greg Alba, who's doing stuff on Unreal Rejects, right? The difference is, is that the three of us run our channels, right? We are self-employed. We do this. Roxy is doing stuff with Greg and with myself. But her channel, I mean, if she chose to do stuff on her channel, she could, but that's not where her main source of what she really does is. She's a pundit on these things. She's an actress.

So I understand the fear of risk. I understand that. And I understand it for both you and Koi. I really do. But for us, it's not fair to say, well, Christian's doing it. Why aren't you? Because the answer to that question is, I have my channel. I have to run my channel in order to live in order to survive, in order to do the things I'm doing to fulfill my sponsors.

But, and it's going to get into this other thing, my episodes on Monday, the last two Mondays, have been higher than my normal episodes, 35 to 50,000 views, an episode. And I haven't talked about movies. I talked about something very different. And we can get into that if everybody else has any further thoughts. I just want to say one last thing, which is what Dan was talking about when people say, oh, it's just millionaires, picketing to get more millions. What I will say is, Dickie gave me a great soundbite for this, which is when it comes to the Writers Guild, the thing that's been negotiated, what is it, 80 days ago now, that failed to get negotiated on is something called the MBA, which is the minimum basic agreement. So there's something, SAG, we call it working for scale. That is the set amount that anybody who hires a Writers Guild writer or a SAG actor has to pay, there's a SAG scale, day rate, there's a SAG scale.

day rate, there's a SAG scale under five rate, there's a background rate. Those are the things that have to be met. That is what's being negotiated for the writers, the minimum basic agreement. So when you think about the Chris Nolan or the Noah Bombecks and Greta Gerwicks, they're not working on the SAGs or the Writers Guild minimum basic agreement. We are talking about fresh out of college, get their first job as the staff writer. What and what has happened is, and this is what makes the Writers Guild so strong is everybody that's in the Writers Guild, there's no such thing as there was no such thing as a day player in the Writers Guild. I'm on set. I've been in SAG since 2006. I've made nine movies, nine motion picture movies that have been released in theaters,

and I have never, ever once qualified for health insurance. I've made commercials. I haven't done it for years. I still see residuals every once in a while. I've never seen a streaming residual in my life. No one has. Never from a, never from a Netflix, never from a Paramount Plus, nothing. What I'm seeing comes from Lionsgate Entertainment, comes from whatever. You're going to have to wait. Thank you so much. I'll be right with you. Thank you. I love you. It's my cat. Now, I'll be right up. Are the kids climbing on the walls now? Yeah. It's the staircase in my parents' house. But what I will tell you is that, like, I never was going to make a living off of SAG. And like, what the Writers Guild has been able to do until this point is, if you get on a movie, you're going to make enough to qualify for. for residuals. If you get out a show, you have a minimum amount of weeks that you have to write. And what happened is streaming came in, they said, we're going to do something called mini-rooms.

So, sorry. Normally, you would be writing for 13 episodes, which would take up half of your year. You're going to just write on one week now. Well, suddenly writers aren't able to hit their health insurance, not able to make a living off of it. So when people say it's millionaires fighting for millions, no, the agreement they couldn't come to, was the minimum basic agreement, then you add in all that AI stuff. So to me, that for me is like whenever somebody says,

like, well, it's rich people trying to get richer. I'm like, no, no, the rich people are going to stay rich. This contract doesn't actually affect them because none of them are on the minimum basic agreement. Agreed. And that's why I want to go back to the overall. I mean, it's unfortunate that it's because of the business that we're in that we were talking about that specifically.

There's not one person between the four of us that doesn't agree that what they're fighting for in general is the right thing. You know, like, it's like, residuals should be paid out in streaming. The streamers should show their numbers, you know. It shouldn't be able to be one day of work and have them own your AI for the rest of all the community. Absolutely not. Yeah.

I had a writer friend who's done, you know, some stuff much bigger than, you know, web stuff, which is, you know, great, but it's not, you know, TV. who I, I messaged him when this writer's strike was going on. And I was like, can you sort of, because it was tough to parse out. I was like, can you kind of give me the gist of what a mini room is? And when they explained it to me, I was like, oh, my God. That like, that just basically guts the entire profession. I mean, the idea of like, you know, first of all, seasons used to be 22 episodes

and you worked nine months out of the year if you were a writer on one of those shows. So first of all, it's like, well, now they're 10 episodes. And they don't do it every year. They do it every 18 months to two years. and on top of that, it's like instead of, you know, letting you stay on for weeks to write those 10 episodes, we're going to bring you in for, you know, two weeks. And then we'll go off and do the rest of it. It's like, oh, my God, like that is just a radical change in how that works. It's crazy.

The last thing I want to say about this and I'll stop being so long-winded was, A, I know my cat looks like a human. That's super weird. Sorry about that. B, I think the hope is the way the strike end. at least from the writer's perspective, from what I've heard in the circles that I'm around. I'm not in the Writers Guild, but I've given birth to two children for little money, little to no money because of Writers Guild insurance. So I will literally do anything for that particular union.

That being said, I do think what happened was a couple years back, there was something called packaging that was becoming a real problem for writers at the studios. And so what all of the writers did is unilaterally, they fired their agents. Fired every single writer, fired every single agent. And it was scary. There's no question that that's scary. What happened was the little agencies, it doesn't really matter if you, like, and the whole idea was you can't package us.

You can't say, because what was happening was basically the agents weren't fighting for good rates for the writers because they were going to get a cut of whatever the movie made. They're getting a producer's fee now. So now there's just cross interest. No, you should be making off of me. You get 10% of what I. So what ended up happening is they said, we're not working with any agents that you packaging.

And then what happened was the littler agencies that are like, okay, packaging isn't a big deal to us, started saying, we'll sign it. We won't package. Now all of a sudden, the greatest writers are going to these little agencies. Then the bigger agencies are like, wait, what? Sorry, what? Okay, so you, oh, son of them.

All right, fine. I think it was CAA or WME was the very, but ultimately every single agency, including the CAAs and the WME's signed this thing. And I think that's the hope with this strike is that there's going to be some platforms that are like streaming is not our, like a Viacom. I don't have any proof for this, but in my head, I'm like, okay, Viacom. Viacom is Paramount. It's Paramount Plus. Yeah. It's Nickelodeon.

It's Nick, all of that. They've got a lot that's not streaming. So they might say Yeah, but Kate, here's the problem What you're saying, though, is unfortunately And they need to switch this They're in the what's the majority rules type thing, right? So it's like if they

All of the street And the AMPTP is in that, Christian. You mean that we have to all, it's an all or nothing. All or nothing. I think they can make individual deals. They can. This is actually- Individual deals.

They just use that collective bargaining power. Because I think that's also what's going to happen is I think eventually someone's going to get fed up with I think it's been in the air for a while, Netflix, or Apple or whoever, and be like, listen, you're the one that's holding this up. We're going to figure this out because we don't really do that much or as much with, you know, we're not solely streaming.

And then all of a sudden, well, now actors and writers and directors can go work for Paramount. So Paramount's back in production or, you know, I mean, A-24 is still in production because they're not. So then two or three studios now are getting stars and writers and actors to start their movies, because they made their, it's like how Letterman was back on late night during the last writer's strike. Eventually, his writers, just the Writers Guild for his show, they basically said, we're going to make a deal with the network so that we can go to work. They will be able to pull off a piecemeal.

The AMTPT is not a union the way that the, that SAG and the writers get, the Writers Guild actually stated, we hope this works the same way as the agency's done, as that we start pulling off these, because think about it. Netflix obviously has the most at stake in this, or an, you know, an Apple TV, that's solely stream. And obviously they produce movies and whatnot. But when you look at these like a Viacom where it's like, Nickelodeon's not getting new content now,

Nick Jr's not getting new content now. I think the hope is that these studios that have more at stake than just the streaming will find a way to sign the deals and that that will put the pressure. Well, they're running. Yeah. They're running into the reserves now because even when the writer strike happened, I think Roxy and I talked about it and I said, this thing's going to go to at least Comic-Con,

because they know the writer strike because they know that they can keep the writers at bass. I didn't think the sack strike was going to happen. I said, if the sack strike happens, they're going to be forced to try to do something. I think they've got to try to figure it out by November, December, because they want these big movies to come out for the holiday season. I think so. Now, the only thing that there was the report today that they might hold this thing out until, you know, January, February, which is also very possible.

Yeah, yeah, I think so. You know, the thing is I want, like, because I don't know. What's your heart out, everybody? Rock's a good heart out. I'm okay. I'm good. Okay. Because I know that once I start in on the new topic, it might be.

Okay. You know where I'm going, Kate? No. Okay, good. Well, can I just say two things very quickly before we want to this new topic? Number one. I think before, Dan, we are going to have some questions relevant to the, to this. Oh, yes.

You can play into that. So let's, so let me start with the Rudy Salazar's question. And with the strike, putting such a spotlight on AI, do you feel that what is eventually agreed upon will set a precedent for how it has handled in other industries? That's a great question. I don't know. Creative industries, I think, regarding artist rights, but it's such a sprawling thing that I don't necessarily think that, like, you know, meta is going to structure any kind of

agreement they have on, I mean, it's already run by AI, let's be honest. Yeah, I think, I think, for me, I think it's very much, and that's why it's so tricky here, is you have to figure out how it relates to art and copyright and likeness. And, you know, that's a different application as opposed to like, how do you run a warehouse logistics using AI? And the teamsters and their union dealing with AI, like that's a totally different application, I think. I also think very rarely do other industries look to Hollywood as the gold standard for actually anything. I think we're kind of fucked. I think you're right. I think I agree with Roxy there.

You've got to fight with which you can, yeah. Wait till I get into my topic. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. And you were going to say before we went to that question, was that relevant? Two quick things. I wrote this down three minutes into the show, which is that I didn't know that Dickie worked on the Thunderman. because one of the first person to come up to me when I moved to Los Angeles back in 2005

and say hello and want to be my friend was Chris Tolman. And he is the best person in the world. And I will never forget that. I have not seen him in forever, but he is the most amazing person in the world. He played Mr. Thunderman. We're not promoting him. We're just saying his name. I'm in the Chris Tallman promotion business.

Okay, I am too. I love him. He's the nicest. He is an amazing person. And I will never forget that he was literally. Literally the first person I did not know in Los Angeles, who came up to me at a Channel 101 screening and said, what's your name and talk to me?

So anyway, be nice to people because they never forget it. Number two, Christian, I think it is very on brand that you brought me on to what I'm going to assume is the most boring episode of this show that you ever thought. Is it this usually Brett, like farting into the microphone? No, this is legit. And it's not like the other crew members are going to read this, so I have no problem reading this. This is legit what I just wrote.

to PLD. This is the best dream so far that we've done, including live event. Like I, I, I, I, to me, this is, this is the best conversation we've had so far. It was a full on informative. It was, yeah, no, this is not, no one's children walked in. No, but don't worry, Dan. My topic's going to get bizarre. Uh, it's going to get crazy. I want to make sure was it bringing the vibe of the show. No, are you kidding? I thought, I mean, Fox, you agree. I thought this is a great conversation. Yeah, absolutely. Um, um, and quit, Everybody else got their final comments. Shout out to UPS deal with the teams with today to put off there.

That's awesome. When we're talking about union, sorry, yeah. Because that was not boring. That was super exciting. But speaking of unions, does the DGA feel like a bunch of dicks right now that they settled so quickly with the A&TBT? I've been asking them on the picket lines because a lot of them, a lot of the D. Oh, you got a direct now. GGA.

Who are you going to the Rex? They're stoked about their deal. They're a fucking stoked about their deal. I'm like, okay. That's also the line I would tell if I had very clearly been offered to go in on something with the Writers Guild and didn't. I'd be like, they were really happy. It was great.

It was good for us. It was good. Let me read this one from Andrew. Then we'll get into my topic. Andrew Smith. Hey, everyone, question for the panel. Was there ever someone you wanted to have in the Smodown who wasn't able to make it on the show? Yeah, Edgar Wright.

That was one that I was wanted. I was always hoping to see Star Wars Theory. What? Yeah. There was conversations. Sean Chandler and Weekly Planet on the SD. I mean, yeah, well, Sean Chandler was in the draft for sure. He was in it and then something happened.

He was going to play an FCL for a second. It didn't happen. And then Andrews says a Dan specific question. What 2020 movie will last the longest in the top 10 going into 2024? I hope you all have a great time. I mean, that's tough because right now it seems like all of those release dates are in the air, completely up in the air. Assuming, let's say that nothing moves, I don't know, like it, I still feel like something might move into that December slot. Like maybe something will get bumped from November into December, but, you know, I don't know.

I bet so heavily, I bet really heavily on the flash this summer and I just got totally embarrassed. I picked it as the fourth highest grossing film of the summer and it's not even going to be in the top 10. I'm so with. And I did this act same thing on the big thing. I was like, this movie's going to annihilate. Yeah. That was not. I made the bets in April.

I made my predictions in April and I ranked Barbie 10th because there had been no trailers, no promotion. Nobody knew what it was. We just knew the Greta Gour was making a Barbie movie. And I was like, this could be anything. but I picked it 10th and now people like oh you dummy picking at 10th. Like yeah you go back in April and pick the top 10 for the summer in July geniuses

but this 99% of people are wonderful. It's that one percent. I know I know. But yeah, no, I was super high on the flash but I mean it was Chris Solomon. If it's a good movie, I mean, if you get that Jason Mamoa vibe from FastX in the movie, I could see Aquaman kind of doing what the

first movie did, which is that it opened right around Christmas and then it kind of did well into January but it also seems like people just don't care about DC. I think that was a big trouble also, Dan, because of all that there's, I know that reshoots are a thing we that they always always happen. They're in like their fourth round of reshoots and like the amount of movies cost to be able to make it up. I don't know if it's going to be.

And I think we're in a very different place to yeah, into 2017 or whatever came out. But, no, 2018. Yeah. So December of 2018, it's other than that, hang on. I'm just, I'm just pulling up the schedule here to look and see. because it's usually something that goes into like, Dune, but Dune's not going to come out, right?

Yeah, I mean, God, that Wonka movie is terrible. Oh, it looks awful. It looks so bad. You're crazy. I'm not crazy. You're crazy. That would be awesome.

He looks like the most miscast person. Okay, I got to say, your bad coverage isn't really good here to come into. This doesn't, that this doesn't look good because you just said, you thought Flash was going to be big and Barbie was going to be awful. So going into that.

I said we didn't know what it was going to be. And I said I did put it in my top 10 because it's like, I'm going to look really silly. I'm going to make a prediction, Dan. I think, I think that you're going to like Wonka. I think you're going to like Manka. I think you're going to like it more than that trailer.

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Okay, listen to me. Is that right? Am I right? Listen to me. I'm obsessing over the aliens and shit. Fuck yeah, Roxy. Listen, all right. Let's go. Listen to me.

who is watching the hearings tomorrow? Who knew? They're in the morning. They're at seven in the morning. All right. That sounds like something my uncle would post on Facebook. What are you talking about? Yeah,

what are you talking about? You guys don't know. They are amongst us. Actual Senate hearings. No, listen, this is what I'm going to break down the situation first before you hear something and then go, oh, yeah,

a taboo craziness again. So the other day I was watching because of Roxy's recommendation. I was watching jury duty, a nominal best, comedy one I recommended it before the guy that I lost my

virginity to is the director of that oh yeah yeah oh well it's a good show so he did a good job he did great he does a lot of great stuff I wasn't talking about the show so it's great so I was about four episodes in

and I'm watching it and then I pause it for a second I'm about to go back to watching it and for some reason Disney Plus comes up and you know they have National Geographic so I see a thing that pops up on top and it says UFOs exploring the the the investigating the unknown so I'm like okay this is one of those ancient alien things and find the history channels I've watched a million times over there

they're there they're they're they're a blast I'll check it out five episodes just went through them because of the stuff that was included in it was incredible and the stuff that I just didn't know what I did remember was being on Collider Live in 2017 2018 and us talking about this. And so what happened was, and I'll give the breakdown of it, get all your thoughts about all this stuff in general, what you believe, what you don't.

All I ask people is before. Dan, have an open mind, Dan. Open, open your mind in your heart. I'm not telling you to believe in aliens. I'm not telling you to believe in all. I'm not telling you is, as especially someone like a Dan Merle, listen to the facts in general and then make your own, you know, conclusion at the end of it, right?

That's all I'm asking. Listen, I'm out there saying that there are people actually in seats to watch Sound of Freedom. I'm not a closed-minded person. I believe that people are going to the theaters. So I'm not closed off the possibilities. All right. So what happened now, we all know about in the 1940s, there was the Roswell case. Right.

But there was a Roswell case. People know that whether you think there were weather balloons, coverups, whatever you might think. What you cannot dispute is that the government had an agency. called Project Blue Book, which also, Robert Heineck, who ran Blue Book, was actually a consultant on close encounters of the third guy, right? So from 1940-something to 1969, he was a skeptic when he went in, by the way, and when he came out of it, he said there were a lot of cases that should be explored. What his recommendation was, there's enough going out, going on in the skies that we need more information for is what he said, and there's a lot of different credible cases

throughout, a lot of hoaxes, a lot of credible cases. Anyway, so fast forward to 2000, and, 2016- 2017. I can't remember the freaking guy's name. He was the Senator, no, Harry Reid, Harry Reid, Senator Majority Leader, Harry Reid. Nevada. Nevada.

Jinks. Harry Reid was, again, supposedly at first, approved this guy who, to run up, they call them UAPs now instead of UFOs, and had him run a division for, for the government and find out all this information because there were reports that these pilots were consistently seeing these things in the sky and getting footage of it and to investigate it. So a particular guy did and he wanted more information and they were getting pushed back

from lots of different places that said they didn't want this freaking division open. They had their own thing and said fuck off to Harry Reid and everyone else too. Again, Harry Reid supposedly. So this guy says, okay, I'm out of here. I can't do this and he takes the footage with him and he leaks it to a woman named Leslie Keene who was a reporter. Leslie Keene is a reporter who's been investigating for a long time goes to the New York Times. New York Times goes, okay, sure, looks at the footage and goes, holy shit. These are a couple different pilots that have just two different sightings, one in 2004 and one in 2015.

Seas these things, has the footage. They said, okay, well, Harry Reid apparently is the one who approved this. We'll interview, we'll get an interview with Harry Reid. If he says that he approved a UAP division, then we'll run this footage. and we'll, you know, we'll put him in the story, but there's no way that he's going to say yes. So New York Times goes, Harry Reid emits to all of it and says that the UAP and the divisions and all these things were, and so there was a lot of investigation on it. And it was more sightings, more things, more footage in all these different accounts from all over the world.

And there's apparently, Harry Reid said there's so much that they're keeping that the, that the people need to see. So last month, there was a CIA or not CIA. there was an intelligence officer who and his name is David Grush. David Grush was a highly decorated, not a coup, highly decorated intelligence officer, came out a month ago, sat down and what's the one that Chris Phon was on? He did News Nation. So he sits down with News Nation.

And this is a guy who worked for UAP and he filed a whistleblower complaint where you're supposed to be protected, by the way, when you fill out a whistleblower complaint. that while he was there, he had people inside of the program he was working on inside of the UAPA investigations, that they not only recovered ships, they recovered actual bodies. And because of this,

he reported this on a whistleblower report, Chuck Schumer, Marco Rubio, working together. And now this guy, the main guy from Tennessee, I always forget his name, Roxy, the main guy who's running this whole thing, another Republican, So much so that all these senators are like, we need answers now from this.

And they want. And Harry Reid's dead though now. Harry Reid is. But this is. Yeah. Gras also talked about at the time how they not only did the United States have a division specifically in the government that was looking into this, but so did Russia and China.

And they had also, they had also found bodies and crafts. And similar bodies. Yeah. I'm telling you, watch this. The three things that I watched that I went down. The death of human bodies. Oh, oh, oh, oh, it wasn't like bodies of.

I was what to say. Are we talking corpses? Is in these could be military personnel? Or are they saying these are extraterrestrial corpses? There are reports of both. Mm-hmm. There are reports of both. What I would tell you is to what there's, there's three that I will tell you to watch

and in this order. Because if you watch the third one first, you're going to go, okay, I think I'm out. But watch them in this order. Watch the one that I told you. and that's UFOs investigating the unknown on National Geographic. Watch it for yourself and get a and see all the facts of what's there. The next one is Phenomenon by James Fox, the director James Fox. That's the second one.

That one is, that one kind of summarizes the five part. I mean, it's got a lot of stuff from it, but it's, Kay, you'll see this one thing that happens. Did you watch phenomenon, Roxy? No. Roxy, watch Phenomenon, because I want you to watch this so we can talk about it on Wednesday also. phenomenon covers this thing that happened in South Africa and it'll blow your fucking mind. Okay, I love a good non-scripted recommendation right now. Yes.

And then the other James Fox one. Don't you roll your eyes at me, damn, Merle? I didn't roll anything. That was deeply funny, rocks. The other James Fox one is called Moment of Contact, which is about this town in Virginia in Brazil. It's about the side. I thought you're saying Virginia weird. No, no, Virginia.

I also thought he was saying Virginia. Varginia. It takes place. That's let's into her, Virginia. It's about the size of Colorado, right? And they all. Virginia is way.

Yeah. But they all have, this is a, this is about half the population have, there's an encounter that happened as far as a, a UFO that supposedly landed, that military from the United States got involved in. that is a high-level government officials that had given interviews.

And that's that, this is one I tell you to watch last, but watch the first two. Okay. And just for the information alone. And like you can very much so, Dan, at the end of it,

come back and go, look, it's interesting. I think the question is too, not even if it's aliens, not if you believe in it's aliens, but the question is what, because in the phenomenon documentary,

they talk about how these things, and these are officials that were working in nuclear plants that were, again, not crazy people, not anyone's getting paid. They said that there was something that was hovering. It was a disc shape that was hovering, and it was scanning what was,

and everything shut off. I don't remember if it was in, I forget where, which part of where it was, but there was, and this is a highly documented case. And it shut off a lot of the nuclear stuff. It scanned and then it zipped away.

And this is a lot of different nuclear sites that have said it has been scanning. So let's say for, for an argument, they announce, they tell you at these hearings that, yeah, those things had happened, we need to know this, like, even if it's just technology from another country, we need to know that.

Yeah. That's, I, I, I have often, I do not disbelieve in UFOs. And I also do believe that there is intelligent life outside of our solar system. Uh, I don't necessarily know if the two are linked here on earth. But I also believe that our government and other governments are, I know that they are up to things that are far beyond anything that we're comfortable with. And I agree. I think I would almost rather them say tomorrow or whenever.

Yeah, you know what? It's aliens. We don't know where they came from than them saying like, yes, for the last 50 years, Russia has been sending manned craft into our aerospace to scan all of our critical infrastructure and nobody can stop them and they're undetectable. It's like, oh, wonderful. That's cool.

Good to know. I'm very much with you. I also think that in a time in which we are so effing divided in this, country why this is such a cool topic is because this is truly a bipartisan issue it is that it seems like everybody wants to know more about everybody wants answers and even within our government like our it's equal counts republican and democrat senators that are pushing for answers on this and it's like because it's we're talking about abning aliens and it is one of the craziest like this could be this could be the biggest story in the world yeah this could be the one of the biggest

few months of of earth period. I know I will say this. But this is what I'm going to say though, because I have watched like I'm Dan, I know you well enough that you watch these five, these five parts of the facts that are presented. I think that you'll see it. I'm not telling you that you're going to start believing that aliens are here, but I think you're going to see these different facts because here's,

there's a ton of shit. I just didn't know when I was watching. And then I saw somebody who ran, I know you guys knew this really, but I saw somebody who commented on one of the videos that we did. And I said, I think it's hilarious that only the United States sees these things like that is not the case um that definitely it's there's tons of reports of different countries but i just think that there's science Brazil everywhere yeah yeah there's tons there's tons of but

what i'll say is what i'm going to say is this even though because they're and by the way so there's three people three key witnesses that are that are testifying they wouldn't let um ryan graves who took the footage that we watched roxy and clara live that so that is look that thing and and you saw that thing the disc moving and shifting they didn't let him the last thing that it wasn't a hearing but there was this thing that they were talking about where they were where the government was pushed some of the senators were pushing um some other officials and some of the military of the air force about what's going on and they wouldn't let ryan graves speak well ryan graves is speaking there's another i always forget the other the first guy

who saw them and then they're actually going to have uh ryan um uh david grush also so all three of them are going to be testifying um what I don't think it's going to happen, unfortunately. If they have been covering up this stuff for 80 plus years, I think they're going to go through hell and high water to make sure that that's protected. Like when you watch phenomenon and you see the footage and the testimony from the guy who actually, the old military just that,

who found the crash and then was told, and this is a normal guy. And he's like, yeah, I was told to say it was a balloon. One of a balloon. I crumbled up. This is like footage from like 19. 75, 1980s. I crumpled it up.

Went right back to normal. I never seen anything like that before. It's like, wasn't balloon, but they told us to say it was balloon. We said it was balloon. And then you see like it's, you just look at the different and just the amount of the different coverups that have been happening. There's a cover up for sure. Again, what it is, I leave that to your judgment. There's been a cover up for 80 plus years. It's nuts.

Listen, I'm sure that this is a great program. I will say that I have, I have never had something described to me in the manner that you just described this that turned out to be sane. But having said that, I, I, I, I, I, this, this sounds like, I, listen, I know you, you're a reasonable person, so. Yeah, I'm not, look, I get it. And that, look, they go through that, Dan, many times over it.

This is a very taboo subject because of the way it's been put in to culture. It was that when you look at the, when you, for me, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, was the reputable people. This isn't like two guys. Just the alien that paid you to say this. Yeah. These weren't, these weren't too drunk. Farmers drinking moonshine.

Go on, oh, saw a ship. These are high-ranking military people. These are, there are villages. There are towns in Hudson. Kate, this is what's crazy. There's this thing inside of this five-party, which you're going to go, what? Have anyone of you heard of the incident that happened at O'Hare, the airport?

When I saw Bill Cartwright from the 1990, I lost the ticket. He signed for me. I mean, back in the 90s, I remember a family took off from there and they left their kid at home. It's all over the news. No, I've never heard anything. I'm aware. Crazy fucking in the middle of the day sighting that half of like Delta Airlines. Is that home alarm?

The crew saw. Yeah. And I'm telling you, watch the five, watch the five dead. Watch at least one or two parts. Text me afterwards and say, no, it's still Cuckooville for me. Yeah. And all due respect. So I'll give you all the respect.

All I'm telling you is, I'm going to bring PLD in for a second because he's watched, I think, two or three parts after I told him. I also would like to say any. Now this is starting to feel like a multi-level marketing pitch. Now I'm a little more on my heels here. When you start bringing in third parties, like for testimonials, I'm a little more. He might think it's sex too. He might think it's sexy.

I haven't really talked to him about it. I actually finished. I watched all five parts. And I got to tell you, I agree with Christian. I was very much a non-believer of this forever. I kind of always thought I was let the drunken whatever. What gets me is these people speak very educated. They're very interested and they're not claiming this is aliens.

This is not aliens. This is all about the search for whether something going on. It's dangerous and dangering us potentially as far as like airways or anything else. We should at least be doing something to figure out what this is. And that's the thing that gets to me. It's not saying this is definitively aliens. We should look into this more. That's what I liked about it.

Yeah. I think that, Dan, I'm like probably the most jaded human being I know in so many ways because I also grew up with a family that like full blown have me watch conspiracy docs. I have watched everything on the moon landing. I have watched everything on flat earthers. I know what it is to watch a dock that's really well made with people who are well spoken and still come out of it and be like bullshit. That is a crazy thing that you guys just did with JFK with 9-11. I mean, you talk about the major conspiracy theories,

and I have seen every doc on all of them. Like PLD just said, and like Christian mentioned, this is weird, and I can't explain it. I don't know if it is aliens like you. I believe that there is life outside of here. I don't know what's actually been able to come here.

That defies science to me. So I would need some very clear explanations on how on earth that was able to happen. But when you watch this stuff, I'm just like, what's up? What is up? Because something's up for sure. Wait until you see these five parts.

Do you feel that way now? Wait until you see these five parts. I can't wait. I'm not believing UFOs. Absolutely I am. I don't think everybody's making that up. I just don't believe that they are extraterrestrial in nature. There's just shady stuff going on.

Which is totally fine. Like I said, though, when you, but just you, it's more so, Dan, like PLD, when you watch these five parts, I just didn't realize. I was like, okay, there's like four or five cases. There's like four or five cases. every like month and like not like and I don't mean ones that like again people us all UFO

I mean like documented cases where they send people this is why they have this UAP program because they send people out to go okay this this is what Heinrich did for a long time he would go out to these places and he would investigate and he would document the ones that he thought were legitimate and like there's tons of stuff that they have

as far this is what Grush says grush says that there's tons of pictures tons of footage Harry Reid said that there's stuff that has never seen the light a day that would blow the public's mind. And he's, again, not necessarily saying aliens, just saying that these particular things, because the other thing that, too, that could be, that some people think that is a, Riley and I talked about, reverse engineering. Let's say hypothetically, they did recover something in Roswell, right? And then what they've been flying around the last like 10, 15 years, we figured

out how to do it. They don't want that information out there because they figured out they reverse engineered it. And then they, A, you're admitting that you found this crap, B, that you're using it, you know, when other governments, other places, do the technology. So the cover up itself, I get why they're doing it. But yeah, I just don't think anything's going to happen from it, but y'all sure, shit, be watching those hearings

tomorrow. What's the deal with the rebrand of UFO to UAP? Is that like a Mayo to AOLI thing? It's the stigma. They're trying to get the stigma away from it. They're trying to make the, I think that by bringing in UAP, they're trying to make, because it really started around that time

that the Air pilots, the Air Force pilots, we're releasing that footage because it's about as legitimate as it gets when their cameras are the ones picking this stuff up, that when you say UFO, if I say, oh, I think the UFOs are real. They go, okay, cookie pants. And it's like you say UAP. What's that? Oh, it's UFO. Okay, cookie pants.

It's one letter away from WAP, baby. I'm just saying. I'm just saying like it's like it's, look, my wife, same thing as you guys, that little, that if Dan's face of the could be an expression for everyone that has, I just want people to watch this five point. I was before I turned it on, I was ancient aliens guy going, oh, it was like,

Dan, I think they're out there. I think there's some fucking crazy shit that we've never heard about. And they document it very well in this special. Welcome to the club. This has been my entire childhood. It would be very funny if, if let's say they blow the lid off of this thing tomorrow.

And the aliens are like, all right, jigs up. We're going to, We're doing it. And the last cultural event before the intergalactic war, the end of the planet was that a Barbie movie came out. It was like Barbie movie and then the world. It's even better.

It would be amazing if the AI that everybody was saying should be allowed is actually alien intelligence. And they're actually just trying to hire a bunch of aliens to write our movies now. Yeah. I'm just saying that would be cool. You know that you're not going to be able to watch like all five parts. Like you're going to be watch. You should watch phenomenon first. Oh, should I?

Yeah, you should watch the night. Watch a night, please. I will because I'll tell you, I'm in Chicago with my family, and by the end of the day, I don't want to speak to anybody. I'm telling you. Watch James Fox phenomenon. I was recommended this by the audience after we talked about it with Ellis last week. They put me down this rabbit hole, and I started listening to James Fox interviews,

and like he's been another guy. He's in this five-parter that I talked about as well, too. but um anyway dan i respect you more than anything if you give me a call you give me a text and say you know same thing look i watched it and i still feel the same exact way but it's interesting that all this information is out there that's all i ask fair enough fair enough um what does joan have to say about me james fine got in his take on rogan james fox definitely rogan i'll be lying if i didn't say i didn't watch i didn't watch an interview with with james fox on rogan for sure Fair enough.

Yeah. Anyway, it's, listen, it sounds like it's a bipartisan issue. It is. That it crosses all sorts of podcasts. It is.

Truly, get on board. The world girls. The aliens run strike. I've been saying, it's the most famous quote that I had on Collider Live, aliens and shit. Aliens and shit.

I don't think that's your most favorite or your most famous. Oh, I think suck my dick. I think suck my dick probably trumped out. Yeah. I think I got yelled at so much after that. Yeah, well, not by me. No, to be clear, it was not Christian.

No. All right, guys, this was a fun one. Contrary to what Dan thinks, to me, this is the least boring conversation. We had a great conversation about, as Roxy says, aliens and shit. We also talked about the SAG stuff, which I thought was great, and the Writers Guild stuff, it was amazing. I thought there was a lot of great opinions. I hope everybody had a great conversation in the chat.

about it as well too and um i don't know i might even put some of these segments up on the on the big thing clips channel because it was so um there was such a good uh good episode so i hope you guys enjoyed i want to thank dan merrill kate mulligan roxy strier pld uh make sure you check out the show tomorrow i don't know who's on big thing tomorrow i don't know if rocks if uh step brett's a safe gas feeling yeah but step and michael glorbacks depending on the outcome of the hearings glorbacks will be on everyone's show tomorrow he's coming up first interview i got him i locked First interview. Yeah, I locked them down.

This is oily skin and red eyes. All right. Enjoy. Everybody, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Watch those damn hearings tomorrow at 7 so we can all be on the same page. And we'll see you on the flip side. Peace, everybody.

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