The Kristian Harloff Show - THIS IS BAD! Lawmakers on Capital Hill attempt to block UFO transparency!

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow Join Kristian Harloff and Mark Reilly on this UAP Tuesday as they delve into the recent developments on Capital Hill. In this episode, they discuss the shocking attempt by lawmakers to block UFO transparency, a move that could have significant implications for the Shumer Disclosure Act. They also dissect the intriguing interview that Joe Rogan had with UFO whistleblower David Grusch. What did Grusch reveal and how does it tie into the current situation? Is the Shumer Disclosure Act really at risk? Tune in to find out what it all means and join the conversation. Remember, this is a community, so feel free to share your thoughts in the comments below. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for more UAP updates every Tuesday. #uap #ufo #davidgrusch #joerogan #politics #world #alien 

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Talk to you guys about what's going down. And as you saw in the headline, it's not good, guys. It's not good. We talked about it last week, about the disclosure plan. We talked about how there is a bill that Chuck Schumer wants to put forward. And as you heard on Joe Rogan show with David Grush, did a very long interview, which we'll talk about on this show. That was what the show was going to be about. And then something inside of that interview, Grush mentioned that there were a few senators that were trying to block the

bill. And it looks like that's what's going to happen. It looks like this disclosure. And the reasoning behind it, when you listen to the Rogan interview, is actually pretty fascinating with who some of these senators are being funded by and it makes that you go oh well that makes sense why they would want to block it it's the same old stuff it's the thing that makes me for a couple of weeks going i don't think it's they're going to happen because we're going to have these blocks and i'm back there again guys because of what's going down so there's just a lot there's a lot and we're going to go over a lot of the clips that grush talked about we're going to uh excuse me it's going to go a lot of clips about the the the interview the grush had with with rogan we're going to do all that and we're going to talk

about this bill and what it could mean. And then there's a lot of people inside of the community that are really like, okay, fine. We're going to have to disclose the hard way. They're going to disclose the hard way. And I don't know what the hell that means. All I know is that we're going to talk about it. Riley is fascinated with the Grush interview.

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to the big thing. Thanks for joining us here today on the show each and every Tuesday where we talk about the want need for disclosure. What the hell's going on. Myself, Christian Harloff, joined, as always, by my partner in crime. Mark, Yodius Riley. Riley, it's a crazy week. It's a crazy week because at one point, you're like, because I saw somebody on that

Rogan interview, right? They were like, there were some people who pay attention to it all the time were like, you know, I watched it and I was a little bummed because there wasn't a lot of new stuff. And I said, yeah, but the way you got to be looking at it is the amount of exposure that of what is going on now got to an audience of new people like yourself, like us, that are getting into this thing and talking about it and asking the questions to be asked. But I did think there was a lot of fascinating stuff that Grush talked about with Rogan. And one of those things is this, this bill that we'll get into in a second. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'll say, I know there, there was a lot of maybe old stuff or whatever, but it felt new to me. And I'll tell you why is because it was such an intimate conversation, more digestible, maybe. It was kind of like a story. He's telling, he's just talking. And Rogan did a great interview. I thought, let him talk. He just talked and talked. And it, it's probably hearing it for the second time.

third time, whatever it may be, things were sinking in. This blew my mind. This whole thing blew my mind. Yeah, there was a lot of it. And they had a back and forth. And I did see, and I think it's the right approach. You know, Rogan was talking afterwards. He had him on.

And it's like, he didn't just say, oh, you hear everything that guy said? He's telling the truth. He's like he said, but a lot of people said he said, it was the follow up interview. I can't remember who he was talking to. But he said, yeah, look, I had him on. And I believe that what he's saying. that he believes the people who told him these things. I believe people actually told him these things,

but it's also, you know, in my mind, I go to our people telling him this also to kind of divert him and make him tell him this kind of crazy stuff to make him look at it. I don't believe any of what Rogan's saying there, but I understand the process behind saying it because, look,

we get it on this show every week. You guys just buying it, hook, line, and sinker. It's like, it's a matter of, to me, it's more so not what one guy is saying. It's what various people are saying. And it's the stuff with Gary Nolan.

And it's the stuff of Lou Al-Zondo. It's stuff with all these other people. And that to me just seems, I don't know, man. It's weird to me. Yeah. Harry Reid, right? Right, right. Like the speaker of that house.

Explain that a little bit. So he like not only is Grush bringing up the names you just mentioned, but he is mentioning people in government. He is mentioning, you know, he can say this now, because Reid died, passed away, was that the, you know, one of the highest ranking members in Senate went, yep,

it's there. I believe it. I'm trying to get on the phone with, I'm trying to get on the phone with Biden every month. You know, and he can, and he's like, it's out there,

go look. You know, it's in his book. It's in these things. Why would all of these people say what we're hearing? Grush at one point during this interview also said, I never wanted to do this.

It's ruined my life. Right. Yeah. It ruined my life. I know. So this is crazy to consider that, right? Yeah. This is actually, we're going to play a few of the clips, and this is one of the clips where

he is actually talking about how he started. I guess we should start from the beginning. Yeah. So first of all, lay out to people what your job was with the military and how this all started for you. Yeah, yeah. So I was an intel officer in the Air Force for 14 years, seven active. of seven reserve. Then I kind of had like a parallel tract in the civilian Intel world when I

became a reservist. And ultimately I got brought back in in civil service in a government way at the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency a couple years ago at a senior level. So I was a major in the Air Force and a GS-15 at NGA, which is like a full bird colonel equivalent civilian an employee. You know, I'm very humbled that I was able to kind of get that kind of job. But my career mostly, I didn't even really think about this topic. UFOs were not on my radar. I wasn't really a believer.

I was agnostic about it. Most of my career, I did a lot of behind the door special access program, technical type activities. I was kind of a space intelligence expert, a cyber intel expert. And like I said, this was not on my radar at all. You know, I would joke with my buddies because I used to handle the presidential daily brief for the National Reconnaissance Office director in my military capacity as a reservist. And I was well clear to hundreds and hundreds of compartment of programs. And, you know, the joke was like, when are we going to get the read on for the crazy shit?

And that never happens. And I do remember that the day that I really can remember that I was like, huh, what's with this UFO stuff? I was briefing a senior person at the CIA into a couple hundred special access programs. So I was at the headquarters at the agency. And, you know, after the indoctrination I was giving to the senior person, this person who worked with Lou Elizondo previously was like, yeah, Dave, have you ever heard of this guy, Lou Elizondo? He's running some UFO program at the Pentagon. We all think he's crazy. And I'm like, I don't know who this guy Lou Elizondo is. And I don't know of any kind of UFO program. So that sounds nuts to me. But lo and behold, and that was like early 2017. And low and beholds, in December 2017, that New York Times article came up with the, that named the ATIP program and the OSAP program.

So advanced aerospace weapons systems application program and advanced aerospace threat identification program being the other acronym. And I was like, holy shit. Wait, that's that guy Louis Luzondo that I heard about. Oh, you know what? I think I have heard of ASAP. When I was a lieutenant, I used to read these reports from the defense intelligence agency on black holes and stuff. And I was like, oh, that's like stupid. Why is the DIA looking into black holes, time warps?

It just didn't make any sense to me back in. 0,8,09 when I was a lieutenant. And all of a sudden, I'm like, well, maybe there's something to this UFO thing. I'm not saying I was like a believer either way on the subject, but this is, this was a topic of concerned apparently for the Pentagon. And in 2018, I started doing kind of my, what I call my open source literature review. Like, let me spin myself up on this topic, watching Chris Mellon, Louis Alizondo, Leslie keen all these people talk about the subject and then you know just trying to understand so what is this

with UFOs has this been going on for a while the answer is yes like foo fighters sightings of weird stuff in antiquity etc which you know we can get into later but all right so there's so much there in general right yeah where you talk he's so he's getting into what he says about how he got into it first of all as you mentioned riley he wasn't like a big he said or in the interview later on he was always fascinated by science, but he went more so the government guy and he went more so into being an intelligence officer and all these other things and a soldier. But he still never lost his fascination for it. And obviously that's there. And the means and want for the public to have the truth is another reason why he's done what he's done. But what I got out of this portion of it.

And we will kind of take these excerpts and kind of come back into it and give our thoughts on a lot of these different things. There's just so much of this interview in general. But this, what I get out of it, the thing he says about Lou Elzando, right? And that people were referring to him as like the crazy guy in this, because you got to understand inside of it that most people inside of the government and all that, don't know anything about this stuff. And it's clear to where they think that it's just this kind of taboo thing, especially before the big report of the New York Times came out, as he said. So to them, Lou was this crazy guy, right? And then he,

Leslie Kane goes and breaks this story. And now it starts to switch and his fascination starts to switch. And his curiosity, rather, starts to switch. But what I got inside of all that is the names that you keep hearing about over and over and over again, whether it's Harry Reid, Lou Al-Azondo, Leslie Kane, all these different names that continuously just keep pop up. up and it's not a matter I saw somebody on a comment the other day say like you know look there's and they're right people aren't making hand over fist with their with the money that

they're making from books and all these other things and sure when it comes to appearances now and now uaps and are kind of a hot topic could they I mean look at people there are people that are on old science fiction television shows from 40 years ago that are still making money from that show so I can understand people going oh well you know this is a hot topic right now they're making money over at conventions, sure. But is it enough to ruin your career? Is it, is it worth it to sign a couple of autographs at a convention to make it look like, you know what I mean?

So it's like I still don't understand the reasoning behind that. I, I don't either. It's and Grush to going through, he says it all in this. I mean, going through the, you know, ruining of his career. Right. And also being threatened. Yeah. His wife and him threatened to where it's like, no, they just made a point to like to show,

I can get to you. Right. That's fucking scary. Yeah, there's a lot of that. I mean, there was a lot of that for sure. And it's, it's interesting.

And then the names that keep reappearing, why would they do? I constantly say, why would you go out and do this, ruining your career? Because he brings up numerous examples of people in four star generals, everybody under the sun saying, I don't want to,

I don't want to say what I saw, because then I got to go through the mental test again. I don't want to lose my, my, you know, my ability to go up, whether fly or be a part of like the key turners, he was talking about, these high clearance people that are the stigma of it is, well, if I say this, then I get this. And that is something they don't want to happen. I find it fascinating. Yeah.

That we're still there. I think that it's hard to wrap your head around. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard to accept. I watched my wife literally we were driving across the desert in Nevada I saw many aliens they weren't real they were the fake ones that they're advertising the jerky nonetheless right we were driving across and I wanted to listen to this thing and said babe let's let's listen I'm fascinated to see what

you think yeah and it starts these these stories are coming out and I love my wife she just checked out dude there's so many people that's checked out so many people still that are not paying attention to it that it just it's if you're not diving into this in general my wife did the same thing I was watching and she's like oh this guy again and I'm like you ever heard a single thing of this guy has said right it's going to be one of the most important individuals of all time with the things that are being said that he's claiming and that and just his conviction a lot of the stuff that he's talking about and they said something though inside of that interview that I thought was so fascinating and I think Rogan was actually

and brought it up that I agree with them on this is that one of the main reasons with this disclosure stuff and one of the you can understand why the government is not just the fear of people getting scared that you know there's other life or religion or challenging that it's now but the amount of lawsuits and the amount of people that could go to jail and stuff yeah or holding back particular information or things that were done illegally through holding funds and all these things like that's what they both had suggested is one of the main reasons for potential holding back of this or the cover up i agree i think that for a lot of people have been talking about like you know it's because they don't think the american public can handle it i don't think they give a shit about

the american public as much as they could say that that's the case it's it's because if they did a big paper trail that a lot of people would get in trouble in the same way like whatever you think about like the Kennedy assassination right if they did like let's say let's say you did a deep dive on it and let's say just for the point of this argument that it turns out that there were a lot of other people involved and they found out it's people like why wouldn't they open the books now timberchette says all the time want to open the books now because what if there's a trail that leads back to a particular organization that's still active today that could be shut down you bring up jfk go start listening to the rob riner

right now, a podcast that he's been on this. There's something else going on with Kennedy. Another podcast for another time, though, but I see your point. Yeah, just that. So it's like it, that's, that was the point that I heard and I went. There were two things that I left that interview going. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And both points may we go, yeah, I don't know if, A, this 10 year plan is going to be a no year plan,

meaning the I don't have I mean remember a couple of weeks ago when I said to you I was I was way more pessimistic and I said I don't know man it just seems to me that they've been covering this thing up for so long the powers of be are going to find any which way to cover it up that I don't doesn't matter how much momentum or whoever it might be there it just seems like it's going to get shut down. And then I started to kind of change my tune when these other people are going, oh, yeah, within the next year, you're going to see this, you're going to see that, you're going to see this. And I'm like, okay, and I was starting to kind of drink the Kool-Aid. And then you start to hear this stuff now. And it's the stuff that what I just mentioned about

how they're going to try to protect it at all costs. That's part one. Part two is the stuff that we'll get into really kind of deep diving into this whole thing with this Schumer amendment. that when I started to hear Grush talk about the fact that there were other people who wanted the certain centers that were actively trying to block it and then the reasoning why of who they were kind of supported by and I went oh and then I started to see more tweets from people inside the community going it looks like they're going to block it they're going to try to block it now it's the same old thing and I started going we ain't going to learn shit it's like all the press conferences and you can have as many that you want, but like, I'm, we're going to, I can already see the comments. Don't lose hope. Don't lose hope. I ain't going to stop talking about it. I'm not going to stop asking questions because someone said this and I happen to agree with it. It's not a pat on

the back. It's just the truth. What people like what we're doing and there's a lot of other shows, we are, we shouldn't be, but we are essentially the media inside of this because we're the only ones, us and like maybe 15 to 20 other people, whether it's a, there's a lot of other bigger shows that are doing it. I always have a different point of view, but that are talking about this stuff every week.

And we got to keep doing that in order to get some kind of fingers crossed on it. But dude, it's like, yeah, after you, I want to hear your take on it. And then after you're done, I want to play the clip of Grush talk. It's a longer clip. So I want to talk to, I want to hear him talking about it with Rogan. Yeah. Just in particular, to clarify, where were you, what you part? Because when we're talking about the Schumer deal or.

Yeah. whatever they're introducing. And he brings up who's trying to stop it. That's what I'm saying, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look, and he lists who are their donors. Yeah, right, right.

Come on. Yeah, that's what when it's fascinating. Yeah, it's like Lockheed Martin. It's like a lot of areas. It's the coming to America moment. Aha. Yeah, exactly. And it is, they are trying to suppress

because they don't want to reveal their secrets. They don't want to know here. And there are people, and they even bring up the psychology. Grush brings up to psychology. Rogan talks about it the fact that when people have secrets, it gives them a little something up here. Yeah. Little power trip,

little something I have over you. Can you imagine the secret of, we will change worldview. Yeah, I'm going to hold on to this. I think, and I think it's, as I was talking about before,

I think it's the fact that, it's like you're exposing you're exposed you're you're you're just opening up the the dam you know you're like it's like and there's no way that they can protect themselves out or they can protect themselves now by buying off people and telling them to vote excuse me vote stuff down but yeah if the if it's blown open yeah so let's let's let's just play this clip here yeah and there's so much more to go into on this so much so crazy to consider we're gonna back and forth we're gonna go we're gonna start with with this clip, and then we're going to get into, like, the bill being kind of shot down. But this, these programs, we need a change. And that's why you saw the Schumer amendment, right? And I think you might have read that on air or something in a previous episode, if I remember correctly.

You know, Chuck Schumer, and I knew about the amendment a couple months before I went public. And that's kind of another reason why I did what I did. I'm like, fuck. I'm like, the only guy that kind of has the opportunity to do this. I know what's in the shoot, so to speak, that Chuck Schumer and his staff had with the Schumer Memet, which is 67 pages of literal we want to disclose. And I'm like, I have to spike the football by going public because, you know, I can read the tea leaves on the hill. And I think that they were hesitant to do anything without being able to point to something publicly. And I'm like, I'll be that fucking guy and just send it.

And then, of course, a month after I went public, I guess I pushed Chuck Schumer over the ledge. And I do know he talked to the White House about the amendment too because not like Chuck Schumer's going to propose groundbreaking legislation like that without talking to the national security advisor or president. Like, I imagine he did so. And, you know, so you have the 67 page amendments, right? It's called the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023. known as the Schumer Amendment, co-sponsors were young, Jilla Brand,

Rubio, Rounds, yeah, and young. And, you know, kudos for those senators were stepping up to the plate because they know this is real. I know what meetings that they've had

with certain other individuals that are, you know, even more credible than myself. And so this, this act, which is like super important, is currently in conference as we speak in Capitol Hill.

So the amendment is wrapped in something called the fiscal year 2024 National Defense Authorization Act. So that is the act that funds the military basically every year, right? So it's an amendment within this bill. And the act is really long, but the main meat of it is about halfway through the act that talks about a presidential panel or agency, which is nine person, and a controlled UAP disclosure plan that's six years in length. conceivably from 2024 to 2030. And you can read this. This is public law. Anybody can read this.

They want a scientist, economists, you know, sociologists, et cetera. It's kind of like who you would want to help craft the plan for the president. And this whole bill was actually built off the JFK Records Act, which I know,

like they're like, well, they never released all the records. Well, we put some teeth in the bill, some eminent domains, some other stuff. the, you know, kind of force the issue. Now, granted, the chief executive, the president has the

final say. The panel can't compel the executive to do it. But like, I hope the president does. And I support that. But so the Senate already passed it. They're chill with this. This is like, we're good to go. And, and, and, and, but there's pushback in the house right now that is, you know, part of my language, fucking ridiculous. So they're saying, for one, it's dupe. replicating the DoD Aeros Office activities. They're doing good things. They're looking at UAP reports, trying to figure out what's balloons and air trash and what's weird stuff. And of course, they are doing an historical review to try to understand the U.S.

history on this too. But the problem is of that agency, it's within the DOD and I see, not above. So you have an issue reaching into Department of Energy, other, you know, cabinet level agencies. So you need a presidential level panel that can declassify stuff, reach in other agencies, until certain secretaries, we're coming in. We want your stuff under presidential authority. So what's happening in the House, from what I'm told from people on the Hill that are working the issue right now, you have the chair of the House Intel Committee, Mike Turner, who's blocking us from Ohio,

Dayton, Ohio area, right, Pat? weird. Right Pat, meaning Wright-Batterson Air Force. Yes. Yeah. And Mike Rogers, which I'm kind of surprised from Alabama, who's the chair of the House Armed Services Committee. So I have a problem with Mike and Mike right now. So Mike Turner, now remember I went to his committee in December last year. He wasn't there, but his staff and lawyers were.

And of course, he goes on Fox Business after the hearing, doesn't use my names like this, whistleblower. He has no idea what he's talking about. I'm like, really? Tell me, Mike. Have you ever been an intel officer or served in the military? Oh, wait, you've been the mayor of Dayton, Ohio. You were voted most corrupt person in Congress a couple years ago and pull up his PAC donors. Who are his biggest donors? Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing. Okay. So, and first of all, if you thought you needed more information or wanted to talk to me personally, why didn't you call me back? So, I mean, like, huge. It's all right.

That's big. It's just, it's just, it's, it's the thing that I listened to and I go this, dude, the second, I was walking my dog when I heard that portion of the interview and I stopped. Yeah. And I went, this thing ain't going to pass. No. And I was, I was driving past a sign that said alien jerky next exit. and I went and I went

God damn it it's just I mean for all those reasons right because it's just too much it's like this and and George Knapp said it well George Knapp said at one point too they're they're better the cover of people better at their job and this is what he said his words were then we're better

than we are at ours like they are they've been doing it for a long time they will find ways to make sure that the information doesn't get out. The question that people should be asking is, because they give you the cockamamie excuses, like he was just saying of why, well,

there's another portion of the DOD that's doing it. But as Grush said, yeah, but you get a higher level up that can do things that they can't, that will get the information out. Because if I legit thought that this is all nonsense, the amount of crap that is paid for that they spend money on, that they know they're wasting money on,

as opposed to something when they go, look, if I legit believe that this is just a sci-fi moment and people are so excited that they're hoping aliens are out there, so they're making this a big thing. And I have the power to do it. I'm one of these guys that he's talking about. I go, look, fine. You know what?

Let's vote on it. Let's vote on this thing. Show me. Show me what you got. You got nothing. You got nothing. So I'm going to sign your little bill. Show me.

Go bring me the ship. And you guys are going to look like a bunch of, some morons because we just send it and you're going to go break down okay yeah break down we'll give you disclosure plan go ahead there's nothing out there you morons go ahead and do it let's here it is i'm signing your bill show me all everything show me the ships show me all that stuff and they're and the fact that they're not doing that is the reason that everyone should be going huh yeah huh yeah and then follow the tray right donors yeah and then they're holding on to it trying to reverse engineer stuff. Right. It's just always leads to kind of that money, secrets, holding it over.

And I want you guys, I ask you guys that are watching right now because every week we have people who are skeptics and we welcome it. It's, it's, they see a lot of very positive people who are skeptics. My question is not, why don't you believe? My question is, why don't you think that they should sign it over and don't give me the whole thing. Well, they don't want to spend money. There's two wars going on. There's this. They spend money on everything.

And also, it's not that much. But it's when you consider the other things. So don't give me the spending money nonsense because the other thing is it's also an 80 year plus way more, but an 80 year issue of people going, what's going on? What's going on? What's falling out of the sky? Don't you think at that point at 80 years, guys? Guys, if you're a skeptic, you just go, guys, sign the bill, show these idiots on Tuesday,

these two morons in the hats that this is nonsense. Show them that it's nonsense. Because I see a lot of comments going, oh, you guys, you believe in aliens, you believe in this, you believe in UFOs, you believe. Fine. It's okay to say that. But don't we all agree? All of us, skeptics are willing to, just sign the bill, sign the bill and show them.

Like, for us, I'm on the side of, show us, show us what you got there because I think there's more shit. I think there's a lot of stuff. I think that all these people kind of with these reports over the last course of 60, 70, 80 years, there's something there. And the people are going, no, no, no, no, no, no, sign it. Show us. Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. Then you, you can, you can show the skeptics. You can show the believers. You can show the world. It's right there. Transparency is key. If there's nothing there, transparency. show us that there's nothing there. Fine.

But when there's smoke, there's fire and when there's donors that are like making sure these guys don't. When he said that and. Oh, that's when I just went, oh, you've got to be kidding me. And we're going to get into that.

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I want to just move quickly into this because as I did lead with it into the, the title in general, and I think that it is as much of a bummer as it is. It's important that we talk about this as kind of the really the lead story here. And that is this blog. The Schumer thing seems to be in trouble. All right, Mark, here it is. UAP Disclosure Act receives pushback from lawmakers on Capitol Hill

as bipartisan fight for transparency continues. This is coming from the debrief. A bipartisan measure aiming to disclose U.S. government's records related to UFOs has come under fire from top politicians in Washington as advocates continue working against time to save the imperil transparency effort. The debrief has learned. Earlier this year, Senate Majority, leader Chuck Schumer united with Senator Mike Rounds to introduce a 64-page proposal to bring about

the disclosure of official information on what the U.S. government now calls unidentified anomalous phenomenon, dubbed the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon Disclosure Act of 2023. The proposal was cut from the same mold of an earlier law in 92, which outlined the disclosure of records related to the JFK assassination in 1963. The act was introduced as part of the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual piece of legislation that authorizes funding for the U.S. armed forces and outlines the budget and operations for the Department of Defense in accordance with Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Among the key components included in the legislation as a provision concerning eminent domain, where the U.S. government could effectively confiscate and appropriate any UAP technologies that are revealed to exist, as well as the creation of a presidential records review board similar to the one outlined in the 92 law. this is what Grush mentioned, as we saw inside of that interview. In July, the Senate version of the bill, which included the legislation, was approved for an 86 to 11 vote following a House vote that is approved.

It is version by a 219-2010 vote. After each version of the bill is passed, the two chambers entered a formal conference process to negotiate between the two versions of the bill. Now, this is where Grush was talking about inside of the last clip that we just played, why it's so important. However, late last week, it was learned that representatives Mike Turner and Mike Rogers were ramping up efforts to eliminate or significantly changed the wording in the UAP Disclosure Act during negotiations in the NDAA conference. The new developments first reported by Libertarian Times last week indicated that Turner, chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and Rogers, chair of the House Armed Services Committee, had leveraged support from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, a move which cast. significant doubts over whether the UAP Disclosure Act would make its way to the final version of the NDAA signed into law by President Biden. So American Safe Aerospace says a source close to negotiations tell us that the NDAA conference is wrapping up. The outcome of the UAPA Disclosure Act is uncertain and key terms like civilian review board are at risk.

The time to contact Congress is now. now despite the grim forecast that emerged over the weekend concerted efforts by a bipartisan collation of advocates in recent days have resulted in a final push to leverage pressure against lawmakers to save the uap disclosure act the result has been a uniting of forces between players on opposite ends of the political spectrum who are now fighting for a common goal ending decades of of u.s. government stonewalling on the issue of uap all right riley so yeah that's kind of that's where we stand now. If you go to

the majority of UAP Twitter or the people who are inside of this community and the names of the names, if you will, the people that we talk about on this show all the time, whether it's George Knapp or Jeremy Corbell or L. Zondo, like everybody's talking

about this thing. Everybody's talking about how, and there people kind of, I just saw this one particular thing. There's a tweet from Mike Turner was writing he had a post about being part of the boys and girls club of Dayton to which his first reply is you sir are a traitor to the American people and to the people of earth you do realize what the history books are going to say about you right I don't know how anyone can put their family to the level of shame and humiliation coming your way and there's just a lot of that stuff coming out there because this you know it I do think that it reminds me of it does remind me of like being part of the for people who are new to Mark and I just learned about us through our UAP show. We're also part of another very passionate fan base inside of the,

the movie TV geek space. And it does remind me of how passionate people will get about certain things or movies or TV. And obviously very different when it comes to the significance of what this could mean for the world. But it's similar in a way where it's like, I don't think. that people like Mike Turner realize how big and passionate this community and the quest for truth really is. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because I think it's connected to that stigma of like when you when you're like, what is it going to be? A couple loons coming after me. And it's not that anymore. It's not that anymore. Right, right. They think maybe it's, you know, somebody that's on, you know, I want to believe or it's out there, you know, the end of the. Invasion of the body snatchers.

You're next. You know, there's only three of them. No. No, no, no. This is getting bigger and bigger. And it will continue to get bigger and bigger. And it'll probably get bigger after that Rogan interview because of his reach.

I mean, there's got to be at least three or more people that listen to that Rogan interview and went, you know what? I believe now. And maybe not my wife. It might not be her. But yeah. You're absolutely right. And the bipartisan nature of this, when you see some of the co-sponsors, you know, right off the bat, the Democrat and a Republican are working together to get this out there. Schumer and I forget the other name. But then you look at that. And then you look at this. Maybe that is as simple as what you're saying, Christian, that, you know, I'm going to go visit my kids at the Boys and Girls Club of America.

just you were a traitor blah blah but they maybe didn't even imagine they that it would get a reaction right you know so we'll see at least not at least not into the way that it did right and so and the way it's going to and it's just there's so there's just so many people that are now tweeting about this talking about this and one of the things that i wanted to bring up about this too because now look what could happen if this gets shut down is that you're not going to have the government help and even there is that you know you you'd mentioned too about um um oh shit what was it oh the bipartisan stuff and grush said it and the same thing and rogan was like yeah it's true like when and we've been saying it on this show for for weeks and that's months when are you going to see aOC and um matt

gates in the same room together smiling and talking about one thing and it was the most everybody says it's the most bipartisan thing you've you've ever seen with the amount of people it yes yeah and like that and and why wouldn't it be why wouldn't it be why shouldn't it be it should be from what the the importance of what this could mean again i'm asking the skeptics here i'm asking a skeptic if it comes down to if let's say i'm not telling you you go i don't believe any of this stuff it's crazy it's fine but think about on the other side for a second that maybe maybe you're wrong just saying if you are don't you agree that if it was legit that it is the thing that can make people go oh maybe we should rethink the way we're living lives right here i'm telling you i'm telling you and that was a theme running through that that interview bipartisanness um trying to you know communicate with our fellow human beings that we are in a we are in a state right now that is not good i mean it is just absolutely

it's if you're a democrat and you're a republican right now it seems like everybody is we just need to fight just need to fight we're not going to get along and that's what i don't like i like i like the idea that transparency will open up some doors some windows whatever it be we all start looking in on it and we all start looking up And realizing that it's more, it's bigger. It is. It's so much bigger to like, can you imagine if, sure, independence day roll, if something comes down and blows up the White House,

we're all left, right? We're going to have to work together no matter what. But I mean, we don't know what, we don't know what could these things be. Now, in an interview, there's some really fascinating things that there's more. more than one species. There's one more than anything like that. But what's scared the shit out of me. And I'll say it with that punctuation on it is that Russia,

China, whoever also has these things. Right. Also doing the reverse engineering. And that shouldn't we be aware of that? Shouldn't we work together? I mean, F Republican Democrat work together because there might be threats to all of us

here in the United States. if we're going to just go like this, okay? And it's just like, take care of our own, the United States. We got to look out for ourselves. Sure. I'm talking about humanity. We got to look out for humanity.

What are those things? Let's get some transparency to find out what it may. And keep asking the questions. We don't know what it is. Great. Show it. We'll start asking questions together. I want to share something.

Speaking of that, because as we mentioned it, like you can go, if you just go to Twitter or you go, especially Twitter, if you go and you look at this particular topic right now, this is all that the community is really talking about, rightfully. So, but as I mentioned Jeremy Corbell,

I want to show two things. One, I want to show his tweet because I'm, because I'm interested in this because, yeah, him and nap, obviously, they, I mean, the two of them were sitting right behind Grosch. You could, you watch the hearing and you can, on the left, you see Corbell on the right, you see, um, nap. So they're in the know. Like when they, when they hear things and they've gotten information, they're in the no. This I got to ask you this is this really as I am very pessimistic now because I'm I'm defeated

I'm defeated right now when I hear this because it's just to me it's like same old same old seems like the bad guys are going to win but then I see this okay so again this is from Jeremy Carbell you listen to a show weaponized by the way and this is the tweet that he has out there and he says A massive political decision is about to be made on the UFO, UAP transparency. Like I've said before, this is happening. The easy way or the hard way, you can take that to the bank. We must be tenacious to fight to shine light on the darkness and denial. This fight takes grit.

Now here is this video that... There are moments in our nation's history when we have come together. Moments when we cast aside are political differences to unite as Americans. That moment has come. There's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are. We can't explain how they moved. A moment to expose a hidden truth that flies in the face of our Constitution. Well, I don't believe they're coming from foreign adversaries, if they were, why that would suggest that they have a technology, which is in a whole different sphere than anything we understand.

And frankly, China and Russia just aren't there. The truth that elements of the Pentagon had been illegally hiding a program from Congress and the executive branch. Everyone, the entire American public, has been lied to for decades. Yeah, there's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. An illegal Pentagon program run by unelected officials who hide its existence inside defense contractors to avoid congressional oversight, a program whose existence is a perversion of American democracy. Mr. Grish, finally, do you believe that our government is in possession of UAPs? absolutely based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years. Today, Speaker Mike Johnson, minority leader Mitch McConnell,

Congressman Mike Turner and Mike Rogers, are attempting to kill the UAP Disclosure Act, a 63-page bill written by Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and Republican Senator Mike Rounds that would force the Pentagon to come clean with Congress, the executive branch, and the American people. A bill, the Pentagon and defense contractors desperately want to defeat. Call your lawmakers today and demand the passage of the UAP Disclosure Act.

I mean, that's a pretty good video. That's good. That made me hopeful and it also made me fucking pissed. Pist, right? Yeah, exactly. Oh, just so pit. Yeah, see Mitch McConnell go up there and all those people with mics across the board. Mitch McConnell and mics.

coming together to kill it for people, four people. And clearly for a reason, right? Why? Yeah, because they, because it's the same old, same all, the same thing that's been for decades now, forever decades. And what Grush said in that ad is,

it's completely true. It's been working because the disinformation, Rogan and Grush said it in the interview. You've been Sasquatched. You just put it into that category doesn't exist. crazy. I've been saying it on the show every, every freaking time. It's the same as wizards and dragons and, and, you know, you just clump them in there is fiction. And it's more than that. It is so much more than that. And I hope that people who are passionate about this subject,

like, do look at this stuff and do ask for transparency and do reach out to where you are, right? And say, listen, like, let's, because it is, it is, it's like, it's like, thing else it's about the power of the people but a lot of times you go oh you sit back and you kind of watch and go well they'll they'll work it out up there and we'll probably get screwed you know it's just kind of how how it is right but it's like yeah i just want to know like because Mitch mcconnell doesn't care he's just oh sure what do he's okay i mean he's he doesn't he guys 175 years old you know yeah he needs that's that's a he needs to get out of there he needs to retire he's older than the aliens

And he don't care. And then this other guy, the new speaker is going to do anything to not get him thrown out. He's, wait, who did I got to listen to? Also, I, you know, yeah, also a very religious man. It was what I understand about our new speaker of the house. Yeah, I know. I was, I put right there in that this is something that can disrupt that worldview. Believe, sure.

And, and I'm, I'm very religious myself. and this stuff is an extension of that religion because it's like if God is working through us all and created the earth I believe created the universe and created these beings you know

why not try to get in contact with them why not try to understand what's going on and look beyond all of this I'm sorry the F in politics is just ridiculous makes me It's more, and it's, but it's, it's politics, obviously, but it's also, I think it just, it stems back.

This is a fight that's been being fought, at least, at least last 70, 80 years. Yeah. The George has, they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing. They know how to, they, this isn't their first rodeo. They know how to play the game. And so even though there's a lot, it's just like, like, as I, we talk about all the time, you just don't, you, you hear what, we'll say our side of it, because we're on the side that we

hope there's disclosure for those people who don't want disclosure out there you don't hear about them because they're trying to say we're not we're not really here look over there but behind closed doors they're going look it's getting more real out there right now and there's more people talking about it and there's more ways for them to do it now so we got to find new inventive ways to shut this shit down who do we know we'll call mike johnson why because he we got him he's he's he's He's one of our guy. I call this guy. Got him too.

All right. What about this? Yeah, we can lean on that guy. Do that. Of course they do that. That's what they've been doing for years. And so this is why, but this again goes back to my previous thing. Even if you think, no, you crazy idiots, you just, this is just conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

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UAP transparency. And like I've said before, this is happening the easy way or the hard way. you can take that to the bank. What the hell does that mean, honestly? Like, I don't know. Like, what does it mean? Like, so, because like I said, the, the, both him, George Nap, they, they have, they are, they're talking everybody. These are two guys that were front, front and center to, uh, the hearings back in July. What does he mean by this is happening one way or another?

Like so leeks. Right. Like what does that mean? Aliens. I mean, I say, I feel like it's the, the populace is going to know. The human race is going to know one way or the other. It's either could be in disclosure, transparency, whatever this is, or it could be we are just advancing with so much technology. sooner or later, we're going to have a very big shared experience of something.

And it's going to happen no matter what. Yeah, but that's different. That's different. You're saying, I mean, before you're saying is, you know, what the hell can anybody do if tomorrow a big ship lands in the middle of Chicago and says, hey, here. You can block as many bills as you want. It's over. It's over.

Right. What can you do if Russia or China tomorrow, decides that they want to disclose. What can you do? But that's not what I read from them. I read from like, look, there's a plan to go forward whether you hump's do this or not. We try to do it the nice way and get this disclosure bill and do it all, you know, professional like, but you guys are making that harder. So guess what? It's happening whether or not you wanted to happen or not. That's the way I read that tweet. The question may maybe more whistleblowers, maybe more leaks, you know, leaks, maybe I don't know. Well, whistleblowers, to me, just seems like, okay, then it gets blocked.

Remember, don't forget, and a lot of people don't realize this, that first hearing that they had, they wanted to put them in, like, the little closet. They were going to put them in, like, the little room, and then they finally moved them into the big room, and they were able to get, like, they were trying to push it off to the side. Every time they try to do something through the government through, like, the actual means, you know, they get a skiff block, to get this block. Everything gets blocked all the damn time to where I go back to the 17th time. I've said it in this show. Why? If you want to get this thing over and done with and you don't believe

in it and you think it's a bunch of lunacy, then just give a go ahead. Let me see what do you got. Go ahead. Go ahead, little guy, but they don't do that. They try instead, you can't do this. You can't do that because why? Because you don't want it out there. You don't want it out there. And so the question is, though, if this happens all the time, I don't think that's what Corbella is referencing. I don't think that's like, because he's got to me, he's like, if you look at again, in the movie space, Boris Kit is a very popular reporter, right? Yeah. When Boris Kit reports something,

take it to the bank. Nine and that ten times, you take it to the bank. To me, Jeremy Corbelle and George Knapp are the Boris Kitts of this thing. You know, and they've got the inside track on it. And I wonder, What the hell that means? Like, what does it mean? Like, what are they going to do?

They're going to release footage that you can't deny? Like, that's different than trying to get like another whistleblower because the whistleblower can get true. That's true. I mean, and I even feel like footage could be pushed aside. I mean, we have people that see the TikTok footage and go, eh, it's faked. You know, I mean, and that's the world we live in right now, that technology being what it is. is we can get video that looks phenomenal and it's doctored or video that's real and people say it's doctor.

You know, it's just it that's the world we live in. Maybe I, God, I hope, you know, the rumors of the of the Jake, what is his name again? I always forget that guys. Aaron Paul. Aaron Paul finding the, you know, taking video of the best footage they've ever had of something. could that be it? I don't know. But even that, dude, because like that, that was also the, and whatever, the reports are that you believe, but like the other report of why he's not releasing is because he doesn't,

he thinks it's a, he thinks it's a hoax. That's that, and I don't know how true that is or not, but yeah, I don't think, I don't think Aaron Paul, who is now a, a WWE champion is, is going to be looked upon as the guy that's going to break the story, nothing against, first of all, nothing against Aaron Paul's a wrestling ability. I happen to think he's the best celebrity wrestler I've ever said. Dude, say what you want about the guy. And this is a different topic. He picked up wrestling like, like, you know, someone who's trying to ride a bike. And it's like, I took you like, took you like two months to two, three months to do it. Now you know how to do it. It's like, it's crazy. So like,

by no means making fun of wrestling or anything there too. But I am saying, I don't think he's going to be the guy. It's going to be. kind of footage, whether it's what Lou Elizondo has, whether it's all these other things that people have, I don't know what it means. I don't know what it means. I actually try to reach out to, after we had to TechPeter on it, so you should reach

out to Jeremy. And George Knapp's promoting a new book. You should try to get them on. I tried. I reached out to Jeremy Corbell. I got no response. And I understand they're trying to do a bunch of different things right now. And especially, you know, tweets like that. What the hell are they planned?

Les Resistance. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What does that mean? What do you think it means? I really don't. I don't know if they have.

What could they have? Okay. I don't know. Do they have an alien? Do they bring them out finally? No, it's, you know, homeboy walking, right? You know, just kind of walks out with him. It's bleep blop.

Again, he's like, he goes, he's, He's like, look, I don't want to do this. Yeah, guys. I've been here for about 73 years. I don't know what it could take. I mean, there is so much. I mean, there are so many. I mean, Gresh starts off with a story of a general having his own,

where it melts the, the paint on his car. Because the triangular thing was flying over him. And he didn't report it for years. years because they want to be yeah that's that's like who are you going to believe and and you know the legitimacy of these how you know you have these people that are way up there going no no no I'm not going to say anything until until yeah what could it be one of uh one of those witnesses could it be I don't know I don't know speaking of people inside of the community and stuff too have you seen anything from James Fox at all

I have not. I've been checking, too. Yeah, I haven't seen ever since that day. Um, like he's, he's been, he's been quiet. Yeah. And I want, I mean, this, this, the more I look at into this stuff, the more I listen to. And again, you've been addressing skeptist, skeptic skepticism directly. I mean, I was been a skeptic for many years, um, myself.

this is like if you listen to the people that they're interviewing or the the names or the the people involved how credible they are it's just i i just don't see how you can just toss it away completely i know you know keep your skepticism fully intact you have to ask questions you have to ask questions exactly that's questions i mean i think that's important but i also think You have to also pay attention to the fact that there's when, when something stinks, whether you are on the side of, you know,

belief or not, you should say, well, why are they doing that? Like, again, I'm asking the people here who normally come in, there'll be a ton of people who come in who just find it that are just

go to it. And you're about to write a comment or you did or ready. Are just going, hey, you guys, you sure, jail, instead of doing that,

I want to get the answer to you. Like, don't you just think that they should show people if just just shut us up? Like or like, or put a disclosure thing out there. Just say, like, what do you got? And I want to, I want to go into this report, News Nation who has been, who are the first people to have David Grush and Ed Ross, Ross Colhart on there. And he's also been obviously in the heart of this thing too. Here's an interview. Here's a, here's a more of.

report on everything going on with this blocking of the disclosure act. All right, here is the, here's the report from News Nation. Watch this little segment and then we'll talk about it. Okay. Okay. A few of senators are trying to change the federal wall to require the government to make records on UFOs public. But some whistleblowers like David Grush and investigative journalist Ross Coltart

say this bipartisan effort is under attack. Earlier tonight, I spoke with Ross about this and here's what he told me. Well, Ross, you've heard a few Republican members of Congress, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, are trying to defeat this effort to make UAP documents available to the public. Can you explain what you've heard? Okay, so this proposed Schumer amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act would impose two things in the main. The first is eminent domain, confiscation. It would essentially confiscate for the U.S. taxpayers. for the US government, it would confiscate any UAP technology. Let's assume that what David Grush is saying is true

and that there is a flying saucer hidden in a basement somewhere, it would allow that technology to be appropriated by the US government for the best interests of the US people. I would have thought that was an un-unugably good idea. The second thing it would do is create a presidential records review board modelled very much on the JFK Records Review Board. And it would work on a presumption, like the JFK Records Review Board, of disclosure. It would presume that these records should be disclosed unless there's a very good reason for doing so.

And there was going to be, if this legislation was passed, it was going to be created in an early January next year, and there would be a report to the President recommending disclosure of just what it is, that the US government knows about UAPs, any UAP technology, or any non-human biologics, beings, sentient beings recovered by the U.S., preposterous as that may sound, it was the definitive opportunity for the U.S. people to finally get the truth.

And guess what? On the holiday weekend, three Republican key political leaders have colluded, presumably at the behest of the defense aerospace industry and the intelligence community to try to stop this key piece of legislation from being passed as part of the National Defense Authorization Act. And if it does, I'm sorry, but it's going to set back the process of disclosure some considerable time. Well, both Republicans and Democrats, they've lobbied for UAP transparency. So this doesn't appear to be a partisan issue. What motive does

Do you believe these lawmakers have to not want UAP transparency? Look, I wonder whether it's perhaps bad blood because some of the people who've advocated for UAP transparency on the Republican side, people like Tennessee Congressman Tim Burchett, Florida Senator Matt Gates, they've basically, obviously stuck their necks out and toppled Speaker McCarthy in the recent rolling of the speaker. I wonder if it's bad blood inside the Congress and whether this is a Republican get square. I can tell you there are good people on the Republican side,

notably Senator Marco Rubio, who's really stuck his neck out in support of UAP transparency and said that there are things that we can't explain in our skies, in the orbit and underwater that do require investigation. And quite laudably, he's led an effort as a bipartisan move with Democrat, politicians to basically support transparency. But now we see quite an obvious and frankly

quite appalling effort by some key Republican politicians to seemingly bow to the behest of the defense aerospace industry and to essentially try to cover up what David Grush and others are determined to reveal. I mean, it's there you go. And so, you know, it's an interesting point that he makes about the payback aspect, right? With the Republicans with how, with the McCarthy thing that happened. The only thing with that is that the new speaker is, is one of the ones who who is blocking. And he, he's not going to have that beef because he's going to go, I got my job because of that. Well, he has other things he's got to worry about. I mean, they're keeping that, they're trying to keep the government open. And, you know, McCarthy, it voted it through by,

in a bipartisan way to keep the government going. And some of the people that want to, you know, say, F you to that got rid of them. And now they're, they're like, okay, Johnson just did it, right? Just voted to keep the government going, introduced it. And all the political pundits are like, well, that's his, that's his one. It's coming up again. Another vote is coming up to keep the, the government open. And we're going to see what, you know, some of the more MAGA constituents there who are,

kind of putting the feet to the flame of other Republicans to try to keep this going. We'll see what happens. Then you have the UAPC. Well, yeah, I know. But what I mean is, though, is the fact that, like, but Johnson Scott, he's probably just being pressured to you assume by, like, the Mitch McConnell

and that side of it, too, because, like, you would assume that because one of the reasons he has his job is because of Burchett. So I don't know if the angle with him, for what Colhart says they're necessarily plays, but the other ones, maybe so. I don't know with McConnell. Something really interesting in there that really gave me,

they're like, ah, the appropriation of, let's say, Grush had that, you know, there's a UAP in the basement somewhere. This passes the disclosure is out there. Then they would appropriate that to study it for the good of the American people. Right. To me, that reads is we're going to take that. Right. they don't want that.

Of course. God, no. I thought that would be his first answer when she's like, why are they trying to block this? Because they're being funded by these same types of people

who are going, no, they know. Because it's pretty much the people like us that can go, hey, we want to see that stuff. And then if that act passes through, they're going to go, okay, we're going to try to get this stuff to figure out so everybody can know what the hell it is.

And of course they don't want to, besides just you a P stuff, there's tons of stuff we don't know about, man. And there's tons of stuff that we don't know about that we'll never know about that you won't even, that we probably do want disclosure on, but we don't even know it exists. Yeah, like Rogan put on his tin foil hat at one point in the interview and asked

Grush about what was it true about the fiber optics were introduced for internet from the aliens and like Grush is like, I'm not going into what we've, what we've learned or what we've, you know, what we can. But that, let's say,

for instance, that is true. Our internet is because of aliens in the sky. How many rich people out there are there from that? From that. Just from that. It's like inside trading. Right?

Yeah. So we're talking now alien technology, whatever it may be, whether it's a weapon, whether it's inner space travel or whatever it is, it's knowledge. And it's knowledge that you got over the American people because of whatever reason it might be. that was hidden information, right? So like it's why, as we mentioned before, and it'll be the last thing we talk about is like, as we said, the thing that stood out to me the most was the reasoning behind it to me

that made the most sense was there's a lot of people that would be in jail. There's a lot of people that would get in trouble. There's a lot of reputations that would be ruined from years past, people who are long gone now that would be held accountable for covering things up and doing things. It's just how it is. And Grush's explanation of, you know, there's other things. You just kind of break some eggs. Like, it's, I love that reasoning, but it's just not the way the world works.

You know, and it's unfortunate. But I'm, and it leads me back to where we were with the whole thing with Parbelle. What the hell does that mean? It's coming. I don't know. I don't know what that means. But I don't know. I really know.

This story is, is long. Yeah. It's not open. Long for a. Oh, it can't be. There's too much out. We are too far advanced with technology with the cameras in our, in our pockets to catch something.

You know, I mean, ring cameras, rings. Ring people are hoping that there's an alien caught on, on your doorbell footage. They'll give you millions of dollars, whatever it is. Um, the technology is available and will become. even more advanced. I believe it will, there will be some sort of big thing that happens that we can like kind of look at some footage and be like,

hmm. We'll see. I'm, I'm, I'm feeling if we're, if we're on a team, I feel like we lost the game. I don't know if we're going to be able to,

there's no word yet on this, right? Is it that it was officially passed? Because I'm hoping beyond hope that something does happen. We need this. I don't want to, but that's what I'm saying. again, to re-quote George Knapp for the eighth time,

they are better at this than we are at our job. They have been doing it. They will find a way to make sure that this does not get past. Now, the question is that there are other ways to make sure the disclosure happens? I don't know. But what I will say is this. We've talked about this for quite a while. Riley, I think that one of the things I'd like to do is we do an extra.

We do two episodes on Patreon. now. So if you want to follow us over there, we're going to do a follow-up. I was thinking that maybe me and you, or at least I could, and I could discuss with you on Patreon, I'm going to watch, we tape this before Jeremy Corbell's show comes out and they're going to, I'm sure they're going to go into this in depth. And we, by the time our episode comes out, their episode will already be out. We won't really have talked about what they talked about. But on Patreon, we could. So I was thinking maybe I'll watch that and then we can talk about that on Patreon. I'd like to watch it too. Sure.

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