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Episode Date: November 29, 2021

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What's going on, everybody? Happy Monday. I hope you all had a great week. It was a crazy week, obviously, full of turkey and mashed potatoes and whatever the else you were doing. Spider-Man tickets, they're on sale and they're going fast. They're sold out already all over the place. People are losing their minds over it. And now Tom Holland, apparently going to sign on for three more Spider-Man movies

inside the MCU, which is pretty nuts. I mean, business, what's going to happen in the Oscar business? What's going to happen with my outlook going off in the middle of the intro? all that stuff and more with my special guest, Navid McAlarge. You guys liked him. I don't know. You guys are the only ones who do.

But that's not true. He's going to be here. We're going to be talking about a lot of fun things. We're going to be talking about Oscars, Will Smith. And then comes from crazy stories. That was the main thing that you guys really liked about Navid last time of the stories that he told. And I'm sure he's going to tell us some more. And no, he did not clog up my bathroom this time.

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come back tomorrow you idiot no he couldn't he was he was in the middle he was on the side of town i understood he's and and mark riley came in and we did it the next day but like it it was it was you could do a voiceover just lip sync over him i thought about it i thought about just going to every point that he hit just get ethan to do it Ethan Ethan man they see the the career that he's having in schmodeown is unbelievable two time champion he's really really good and he paid for both titles this year what's up man how you been good

how was Thanksgiving? Good I ate that's what you do Yeah who cooked not you didn't drink though I'm not drinking for a few weeks it's Why'd you do that health? Yeah Makes sense I have you ever had a Reiki healing session The fuck is that you don't know Reiki Reiki I didn't I've never done it before

Rakey is like an energy thing where like they literally just Put their hands over you and they can feel what's wrong Oh and sounds legit Well, supposedly, I mean, supposedly they know some shit. Yeah. She literally walks up to me. She walks up and puts her hands like this and she goes, oh, you need to stop drinking. She goes, your liver is in trouble.

Or she smelled it on you. Second and he walked in, Jack Daniels, let's tell this guy to quit it. Makes sense. Well, look, that's a good thing, though. But are you coming to spectacular on Saturday? You're going to try? I'll try. I don't know.

I have the kids and it's just, you know. It's tough. Bring them. They're old enough now. We were talking about last night at dinner. They loved it. They're like, is that that thing where we went? And everybody was like, I had all the food.

This is more. I mean, this one, this one's out of, the DA is going to be there. Oh, yeah? Yeah, you should come. Yeah, I'll try to come. It's going to be, um, yeah, they're packed it. We're ready, 600 people. Bonnie, Bonnie sing in the national anthem.

I saw. Isn't that great? I saw your post. Yeah. So, um, it's going to be, it's going to be crazy. Really good. That's awesome. You're not paying attention

all this Spider-Man stuff, huh? Nah. Now, are you done with the comic book movies? It's not that I'm done with them. I watch them. Yeah. But I don't... Don't interest you as much.

Which is crazy because in silver pictures, you were the guy to go to it with those types of movies. Oh, I know. I know. I know. I know. If my kids want to go, I'll go. That doesn't interest you.

It's not that it doesn't... It just feels like it's the same thing all over again. Yeah. Well, did you watch? Did you see Eternals? No, no, yeah. I'm curious what you would think about that one because to me, I'm actually curious about that one.

And Shang Chi, I haven't watched it either. Shanki I liked. I liked Eternal's better. I mean, I'm in, I think I'm in the minority with that one. But I liked, Eternals to me just felt like it didn't feel as formulaic as the rest of me. It felt like a different science fiction movie. There's certain tropes that are there,

and you still have the Marvel formula in there, but it's not as present to me anyway as the other ones. It's like a full-on science fiction. Yeah. Science fiction superhero movie more so. Oh, yeah, I should check that out. I dug it. I dug it.

I liked it a lot. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it definitely, people sitting around talking about things that don't have anything related to the plot. Um,

I mean, some people felt that way. I didn't. I mean, there's a lot of flashback stuff that they talked about like how these things are there for a while and you might, you might be like,

I didn't really know what the hell they were. I get to see you saying. I didn't know what the hell they were talking about and I was like, but there's more depth to it. I don't know. I liked. but Spider-Man though Spider-Man this one

people are losing their minds because of the multiverse thing that they're doing this is the third movie that they're doing with Tom Holland as far as his own standalone movie tickets you because you and I talked off off camera before you don't you don't think that you don't think this thing's going to be massive

you said one of the biggest movies of all time I think it's going to be one of the biggest comic movies I do really I don't know maybe less because of the you know the pandemic yeah plus else also feel like a lot of people just don't give as much of a shit. Here's another, we talked about this last time. A lot, because so many of the movies are like on streaming and either at the same time

or like a few weeks later. And I know Sony isn't doing that, but I feel like. Disney's not too. Well, I feel like people just expect it now at this point. Yeah. And we'll get into that because that's what we talked about a lot last time you're on. And I want to talk about the HBO Max thing. But so our Spider-Man goes, tickets just went on sale and they sold out like super fast.

people were like, someone asked me as far. I posted a picture, like a picture of myself where my daughter was slapping me in the head and I said, and me in comic said, hi. And I wrote this pretty much my life in a nutshell. And someone right, did you get your Spider-Man tickets? The comments. And I'm like, no, I didn't. I didn't try to get them.

And if I see a screening of it, great. If not, I'll catch it when I catch it. You know, it's like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going. Anybody who went after and was excited about it, great. I just not doing that right now. It's like if I see it, if I can get a screening to it, I'm going to go to see the screening. If I can, I probably just going to go to the movie theater,

try to catch like a 930 in the morning. If it's available, go to check. I'm very, I'm very interested in it for sure. Yeah, we'll probably go. But my, it's also Cadence 18th birthday that weekend. I know. That's crazy.

Yeah. So for people in Nulli, we did a, we, Naveed produced Grasping at Straws, which is that show, the show that we did with myself and Eliza Slesinger, or Mark Ellis and a bunch of other people. And at the time, his son should must have been. He was two, I think. Two or three.

Well, let's see what, he's 18. Yeah, he's in it. He's in it. And that was 2007? He's almost 18. So, yeah, so what was that? 14 years ago? Well, 2000.

Oh, then he was like four? He was like four? He's like my daughters. He's my youngest daughter. Yeah. Nuts. So anyway, you can, and that's up there, guys. It's weird.

I'm 29. You have been for a very long time. I know. You got the silver picture shirt. on, I see. Yeah, dude. I had this. It's the only bonus that I got, I think,

when I was at that company was a shirt. At least they're James Perth shirts. Nice shirts. They're nice shirts. Yeah. Yeah. But no, Spidey, I think the main reason it's going to be so, I think the rumors, obviously,

of Andrew Garfield and Toby McGuire coming back is going to be a thing. That's what I love, though. People, I think you're going to prove my point here, because even the fact, you're in the business. But people in this space that follow, like, shows like this or on. Twitter.

Yeah, but like who are really in it and know about every story dropping. You can see why a bubble is created around people, myself included, where you think, well, everybody knows about this thing, right? Everybody knows it. Do you have any clue about the Spider-Man leaks? No. No. That's my point.

Wait, what do you mean what leaks? The fact that those other two guys are in it? No, not just that. That was kind of a sport. So, buddy of mine, to John Campia, who does a show like this, he had posted. did a, he gets Photoshop stuff sent to him. So he says that he, what happened to get sent some pictures to him that were Photoshop.

And he posted his last time he did a Photoshop picture, he got like 16,000 like retweets or likes or whatever it was. So he did it again. He watermarked it this time. And he did it. And it was pretty legit. It's the spoilers that came out. But it was this massive stories,

trending and all this stuff. But you didn't know about it. That's my point is what I tell. I always bring up my friend John Pipp. who's a friend of mine back home. And he's not, he doesn't know about any of this shit. People are, oh, yeah, everybody knows about that. No, they don't.

You don't know about it. And you're in the business. Yeah. Right. So it's like that's what people have to realize, even though the story might seem massive to you. Not everybody knows what the fuck you're talking about. So, but anyway, so this, but it is pretty, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't garner a lot of interest through that community and through that fan base. Yeah, no, of course.

Yeah. I think, look, it's going to be massive. I just, I don't think it's that many people outside of the fans are going to be like rushing this. A lot of fans, I know. I mean, look, I mean, you look, you can say that the MCU is one of the most successful television programs of all time, just happens to be on the big screen, you know, because you look at, I mean, look at end game.

I don't think end game is number one movie anymore. I think Avatar took it over again, but. They did a re-release. Yeah, right. Do you give a shit about the other Avatar movies? I remember we were silver pictures that I announced two and three. That they were doing them. We worked.

We worked together. I mean, no, no, no, no. That's not true. The first one was coming out when I worked there. But, I mean, the second and third one have been talked about for years. Yeah, no, I know. I know. Because you know I know I know Sam, but.

Yeah, I know. And this was a conversation. I made a movie with them. Wordlington. Yeah. I made a movie with them seven years ago. Yeah. What was the movie?

I love that you forget your movies. You do, you forget your movies and things that you do all the time. You forget. I love it. What was it called? I love it. It shows you, it's just like work.

That's what, that's what it means. It's like, what was the movie you made with them? I'm gonna make, oh, Hunter's Prayer. There you go, okay.

Most out of it. Okay. Amazing. But we, it was in there. We got it. We found it. But you forget the ones that,

yeah. See, but this is why people like you and I understand, because you're honest. You know, it says like, every other producing. Oh yeah, you know, there was a lot of good positivity you could think of it.

It just didn't warn. There was no positivity. Is it really that bad? Fair enough. All right. So, so anyway, you worked with worrying the intent.

But yeah, because they were talking about the sequels back then, seven years ago. Crazy. And, oh, and right after that, I went down to the stages where they shot them.

Yeah. Because I was friends with John Cameron, Jim's brother. Yeah, yeah. And he unfortunately just passed away. And he took us down there with Caden and went through Jim's offices with the, we saw the necklace from Titanic. So all the, all the, I have photos that are amazing.

That's cool. And we're standing next to the Titanic replicas like 125th of size. All this cool shit. And the car where they're naked in Titanic. Yeah, yeah. Alien stuff. That's fun. And so we were there.

We walked around saw all the stuff. And then we went to the stages and they already had the technology. of underwater stuff that they were doing They're doing a lot underwater stuff for the No, they have this technology that I think now is a little more commonplace by the time I'd never seen anything like it Where the world was in a computer Oh, okay

And they had already empty stage, nothing around And they already had actors who had done You know, a couple of the sequels Yeah, a couple of the action sequences Like this might have been testing But they were running through like woods and jumping over things And I have a video of Caden doing this. You take the handheld camera and has a screen on it

and you move it around the stage and you can see the whole world. And then if you look at the right spot, the actor is running across. So it was like VR. Yeah. But yeah, it was like VR. But you're in a stage with nothing there. And you're watching all this shit on it on this monitor as you move the camera on. That's great.

It was so cool. Anyways, that was seven years ago. Okay. So you would understand with all the details. So this is what I do remember when I mentioned us when we were working at Silver about Avatar coming out. I remember the conversations going on like, who's going to see this? What is this movie?

right when that when that avatar came out and that's pretty much that the story of this guy's career james cameron it's like what's this is this terminator thing what is this becomes one of the biggest science fiction movies of all time terminator two what's this technology you're using boom aliens you're taken over for ridley scott you don't want boom they want still regard as one of the best sequels of all time and then titanic as you mentioned this is going to be the biggest bomb in history i'll never forget that when i was i was at college and was like this is going to be the the amount of money to spend at the time was like the most expensive movie and they were still able to do stuff what they can't do today that Star Wars the original was able to do

and that is keep a movie in the theater for months remember long titanic was in the was in the theater yeah it got it didn't it get beat by another leo movie it was a man with iron mask or what do you mean eventually yeah like 20 something weeks later whatever it was right so but and then it became the biggest movie of all time yeah and then he beats himself with avatar That's because some teenage girls won't saw like 50 times in the theater. Absolutely. Whatever. People were going to see it.

And there's a three-hour movie or 245, whatever the fuck it was. So to be able to do that. And then he does it again. And people still doubt this guy. Yeah. When they, no one's going to see Avatar 2 and 3. I will not say that.

It's going to be massive. Yeah. You want to hear a funny story about Avatar? So Sam and his buddies told me this. They were shooting test stuff in Hawaii. They were like out in the woods. And they were shooting like, you know, he had like little handheld camcorders. And they were just doing tests of like, all right, run this way.

He was like, you know, just running drills. Yeah. And some guy walks by and was like, what's going on? And someone says, oh, that's Jim Cameron. He directed Titanic. He looks around. He sees a little handheld cameras. He goes, wow, his career really took a nose dive.

Did it? They're just, they're doing tests. Yeah, man. It's like, it's insane. It's insane with that guy. You can't, you cannot, like, anytime I see a comment when, I don't give a shit about Avatar. I'm not seeing it.

It's going to bomb. It's like, how can you say that about him? It's like, I don't think there's a big interest in it, but I'm not going to say it's going to bomb because the guy just continues. He's like, he's like Midas. Yeah, true. It's crazy. It's crazy.

But I wanted to ask you as far as a producer goes, because this thing with Tom Holland is the bigger story, which we're going to talk about today, is that. So, and again, I don't know how much of this you know from, being in this space or not, but like there, he was part of the MCU that there was this big deal that Sony and Marvel made,

MCU made to, Marvel Studios made to get him, get Spider-Man in because Sony owns the character. So to be able to get him in and do the amount of movies that he did, whatever the initial deal was, and then it ended, and there was this big thing going around where he's, he's not, and he was pissed off about it, and it looks like they're not going to make it work again,

Spider-Man's out of the MCU, and then they figured it out. And then, there was apparently just one more movie that they were supposed to do on this contract after this run with like one more guest appearance. There's a rumor that came out today with Nerdist that said he's going to sign on for that

I can't remember who they asked as they're promoting this new movie. Someone from Sony said that they're not done with making Spider-Man movies of Marvel and that gets rumored that Holland's not going to be on for three more movies. I remember back in the day when it was whether it was Christian Bale or Keaton or anybody who signed up for these superhero movies

it was like you maybe were going to see these guys two or three times in a superhero movie and then they were going to be done they were going to be burnt out what do you think it is besides just the money because that's the obvious answer right but like besides just the money why do you think that because those actors could have gotten paid a shitload of money too at the time whatever it was on a scale back then why do actors like this whether it's a henry cavil who wants to keep coming back for Superman but hasn't been able to Tom Holland ironman like oh besides just the money why do you think they keep coming back besides the money besides the money because But because that's the thing is that there's other deals behind there that were there for just the money that you could.

Because there because there are these actors out there that are like, I don't want to be just, look at Daniel Radcliffe. I mean, like he's talked about, I mean, you probably get to a point where he's going to do another Harry Potter movie, the Harry Potter at like 60 or whatever, right? I think you just use a really good example of why they keep doing it. I'm not saying this would happen to Tom Holland, but where's Daniel Radcliffe in the movie business? Just doing like independent films and stuff. But to keep your status, if you don't get multiple franchises, I know Tom Holland now has Uncharted. But if you don't have multiple franchises and you're not out in the eye all the time, eventually

You're just doing independent films on Netflix. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he'll always get cast in something for a while, but then eventually it tapers. And he's young. And he's young too because it's different for Downey, right? Downey can just do, Downey's going to be rolling around and cash until the day he dies at this point. So it's like he's, he can afford to like, okay, I'm not really, I can do what I want to do.

I'll do smaller things. I'll pop up in this. Because what's he, what's he been doing lately? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, me producing stuff. What does he have to do? We don't have to do shit. Yeah. So. He and Susan are raising kids. Yeah. And he's able to do that now. Good for him. After the, after the life that guy's had. And he's able to kind of pull himself. What a fucking story that is. Yeah. To be able to go. Because I remember, we went to his 40th birthday. Yeah, I remember. It was fun. That was fun. And that, that party was crazy. But I remember when he was because he was, that's when he was getting his shit together, right?

And Susan kind of turned him around. And then he had just, I think Iron Man came like a year, maybe a year or two after that. It was like right after. I think, no, it was before. That was 2005, 2006 is when it was that birthday party. He didn't get, he didn't get. No, no, I know.

But it was right after because that was still at Silver. No, I was still at Silver when Iron Man came out. I know, but I wasn't. And I went to that party. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, but Iron Man came out in 2008. I remember he had had a really tough time. He didn't get cast in, I think it was must love dogs.

Yeah. And got fired ICM. They didn't want it from Miami. Yeah. They didn't want to fight for him. They wanted, because the insurance, they didn't want to pay the insurance on it. And like that, I mean, that's, you talk about Favro doesn't even, no matter how successful he is. He didn't have to work down even paying for his life for the rest of his existence.

But you ever work with Favro? No. That guy is a fucking genius. Yeah, I know. He, his career took a great turn. He just did it right. You're talking about the right moves and like just moving in the right spots and from not even directing, producing and he got to, if you ever watched like the behind

the scene stuff that he does, he's got such a grip on the tech. Like whether it's the Lion King stuff that he's doing and now what he's doing, I keep calling it the camera whether it's the void or whatever. I mess it up every single time. No, the, the, the, the, not the void. What's it called? No, the, not the vacuum. I say it all the time

And people keep telling me I fuck it up every time Yeah the screens Yeah it's it volume Volume volume yeah So vacuum void void It's the same shit You know what I'm talking about

And and that technology's always like One step ahead of it And now he's got He pretty much has him in Falonia Run in Star Wars on The good part of Star Wars anyway The films are Do you know what's been going on with that

No are you gonna tell me Yes Because this is this actually This is a great conversation to have with you because these are points that I go back and forth. And there's very healthy debates that have them with the fan base on this. But like, so Kathleen Kennedy, she's running Lucas film. She takes over. And a lot of people aren't happy.

Right. Because this is what continues to happen. Now, from being behind the scenes, you've seen this a million times over where you've been a part of this. You've seen it. Shit, we've seen it at work. And when Joel was running shop. So with the film division, We'll talk about the TV division in a second

The film division Get J.J. Abrams coming in, replaces Michael Apted and Lucas's script. That's the first part of it. And then there's rumors that that was kind of a little bit of headbutting to start. But that kind of makes sense. So it's the first movie really since after the prequels and the first one they were ever doing.

So they're going to be cautious as it's the first one. Give them a pass. So then Rogue One comes out. And Gareth Edwards, massive problems. Pretty much that he's got to get replaced by Tony Gilroy throughout the whole thing. But he keeps quiet for the most part and just does what he's supposed to do in Nonsense Miles and does his thing get to credit for it. But there's massive problems.

Josh Trank has all those problems that he has and then gets moved off the thing for Boba Fett. Lord Miller, supposed to do Hans Solo. They get removed. Gone. Ryan Johnson does the movie, no problems at all. most divisive movie in Star Wars history. And then, and Solo, or Solo I mentioned. And then episode nine, they're going to bring Colin Travaro,

who just had his massive movie with Jurassic, but then he had Book of Henry. Then he's gone. Right. And then JJ comes back and lowest rated Star Wars movie. It's not box office. And now, pass forward to a couple weeks ago, Patty Jenkins is involved to do the Rogue Squadron movie,

leaves to creative differences. Yep, saw that. So they keep announcing movies and they keep losing directors or they replace directors. So people are always like, well, she's got to go, is what the fans, a lot of fans.

She's got to go. And my argument always is, there's two things. You've got to look at like a professional baseball coach, right? She's won a lot of championships as far as money goes. Solo is the only one that didn't perform, but that's also because it came out a month after

Infinity War, stupid. They moved it away from December, which was successful for them, and it bombs out. Not bombs up, but it doesn't do well. It doesn't mean that there's not a shit ton of problems over in the film division. This shit shouldn't keep happening. But you can say, well, why is she still there? Because they look at Rise of Skywalker, billion dollars.

A billion dollars. Yeah, but it's diminishing returns. Maybe so, but it's still a fucking billion dollars. The marketing costs a lot. It's still a billion dollars. So you can understand that on paper, Disney looks at it and they go, well, she should, we understand why we're going to re-up her for three years. and then I say, you get the TV division.

She has placed Favreau and Fuloni in that spot as a good producer would do. Here are the creatives. Do what you got to do, bring it, make it work. She's not doing that in film. She's getting very involved in the creative side of things and trying to meddle, metal maybe, a little bit more so than she should.

I feel that she should get a Follone or Favro, if not just them, someone like them. But who is that? Follonio Favre. No, it was. J.J. No, it wasn't JJ. JJ for his movies, but JJ did not.

But, I mean, on paper it was. Yeah, but I'm glad it wasn't because JJ is a great starter. He's a terrible closer, whether it's lost or whatever it is. And from what I heard, he didn't really, you look at what Favre and Flore and Flore and I use this point every single time when I'm talking to someone new about it. What Flonio Favreau say on the gallery series on Disney Plus, they said the reason why what they wanted to do at Mandalorian, was they wanted to make the, they didn't want to make an homage to Star Wars. They wanted to make a thing that was an homage,

to the stuff that inspired Star Wars. Like, you know, the Kurosawa stuff, spaghetti westerns, things like that. JJ didn't do that. JJ made his own kind of fan film. He made it too, repeated. He made his version of what he wanted Star Wars to be. Very similar stories.

Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm glad that he would nowhere near in charge of the creative of the overall, like a figy. What Feigey does. Yeah, I was thinking of Figey was you talk about her. That's what you need.

Do you need somebody like that to run the film? But do you think if you were running the studio, after all of those things, would you have hired Kathleen Kennedy back after three years? Yes or no? Why not? That's a tough question. Probably yes, because you put your finger on it, the money.

I mean, if it's not broke financially and you're a big giant corporation. Even with the first one making $2 billion and then the next one making $1 billion. Yeah, I mean. Still a billion dollars. Yeah. I mean, yes, because she's been writing it out this long and on paper with money doing well. Right. But, yeah, you're under spotlight.

You got to say get in an order, this can't keep happening. Yeah. You know, it's like I'm a big Ohio State fan. And so this last weekend was Michigan, Ohio State. And Harbaugh hadn't beat Ohio State in like 10 years. Yeah. And even though he has great winning records. Yeah.

If you don't beat Ohio State, you're gone. Right. And this is similar. It's like you have to keep the fans happy or... Well, the film division fans are not happy. No, I know. Yeah, for sure. I mean, they're not.

So I understand. I wasn't happy with Jar Jar JAR Binks. Like, you know, this time was... Yes. That was the prequels. The prequels for sure, but the difference and there's a whole, there's a whole different... You look at the people that grew up with those movies. Now they fucking love the prequels.

I'll be honest, I found a new, a new found respect for the prequels now, especially the way they talk. into like other series. But the essence of those stories are Star Wars and still the things because George wrote them. They're for kids. There's no doubt about it. But,

but they're still Star Wars linked in the same way this. The original, the new trilogy had no plan to it. It was just kind of thrown together. It was, it looked like they were just kind of taking advantage of the IP and saying, it's Star Wars guys. Yeah,

I agree with. So what do you do? What would you do? Start over. You start the narrative over, figure out a different version of this story. I mean, look. Star Wars is Star Wars because of Luke.

You mean the new movies? Yeah, you can't. People want to retcon them and do that. You can't do that. I think what they've been doing well in Mandalorian, have you watched Mandeliorian? Yes. Both seasons?

Yes. So they're starting to kind of piece in the silliness that happened in episode nine. The silliest thing is how did, oh, somehow Palpatine returned. Right. How? Dark cloning Sith magic. Okay.

But in the Mandalorian, they're introducing cloning through episodes. and they keep discovering things throughout episodes. You're like, oh, oh, oh. So when you finally, if there's five or six seasons of the Manilorian where they set it up, like, okay, now when I get to this stupid line in episode, and God bless Dominic Monaghan for having to deliver that thing. But like when you finally get there, you go, okay, I see because of all the history

put together. But like that shouldn't be on Philonian Faber to fill up those gaps. Right. But to answer your question, what I would do is I would say, because I don't buy in, when people who just don't like her, they say, well, she shouldn't get credit for TV. It's her division too. Right.

She should. Well, she stays out of the way of Philonia Favro. That's what a good boss does. That's what a good boss does. But my reasoning of why she does that and why she's able to do that because it's very different of the objective and the goals for what, you have to do on the streaming as opposed to what you have to do at film. All you got to do is if you put the right series together,

because if I can get you to hook on through Mandalorian, you're already subscribed, so you're probably going to watch Andor when it comes out. You wouldn't subscribe for Andor, but you'll watch it because you're already subscribed. The movies, I got to hook you and I got to get you to spend $10 to $15 right away. And that's the money piece. Because when that money, like you said,

if you don't deliver on that, if people aren't watching as much as Android, they're going to watch Obi-Won. Right. So, okay, fine, guys, do your thing. Who do you want to do that? Great, great, great. Just make sure you have that.

We need you to be able to do this, blah, blah, blah, do your thing. She's too dug in because she, and from what I hear, she doesn't like inside baseball stuff. Inside baseball is working tremendously in Mandalorian, but she thinks it's not going to play in film. She's wrong. Right. And if you, and you do that, like what I think, what I would do is I would say, get someone like a Feigey, like a Filoni-Favro. Let them run the film division. do your good producer, do your thing,

and go do an original story, whether it's the old republic, you know, new republic, excuse me, whatever the fuck the new one, high republic, all that stuff.

And just be a producer. I agree with you, but who is that person? That's the trick. That's the job too. Find them. No, I know,

that's true. Most of these people who have her job are people who are really good at story. Yeah. Right? Like they know character inside and out,

and that's where they focus. and they're also really good at managing production. Right. So they're really good at saying like, okay, we go here and blah, blah, blah, right? Not always are those people fanboys. Figey was a fan boy. Right. 100%.

And I think that's, you don't need to be, but you can't be a not fanboy fan girl and try to get so creative and decide, well, no, this is what the fan's going to like. If you don't love it, you don't have to love it to have the job. But you've got to find someone who does, who can start to push that narrative to say, Okay, I didn't think that would work, but you guys proved me wrong here.

But it's her ass that's on the line. So you understand the hesitancy. But when you put Patty Jenkins up there, especially when you say, this is the first female director in Star Wars films that we're ever going to do because Deborah Chow is doing it for Obi-Wan. But when you do that, you make this big announcement and then she leaves coupled with all the rest of the other ones that have left. It's a bad look. Yeah, no, it's definitely a bad look. What happened with the Game of Thrones guys with Dan and David? Another example.

I forgot all about them. Same thing. They had, that created, like, whether or not it was because the last season didn't go over as well. I'm glad you brought them up because they, same thing. They were rumored to do a whole series of movies of how the Sith and the Jedi kind of started. Right. And that was exciting. Fell apart.

Gone. Didn't work out. Creative differences. Yeah. It's like, that keeps happening in films. And it's like, in TV, not happening as much. Like, they just said that the Rangers, the New Republic got canceled. But that's because Gina Carano was part of it.

And then I think it was led with her. So it fell apart the same way that the Boba Fett movie fell apart with Josh Trank because he's not doing it anymore and they introduced Boba Fett in a very different way through television and now it works. Yeah. So that's really good. Really good. The bigger question here that is really something I need to know is how are you guys shaving your balls? That's the big question because not a lot of people are asking that one.

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you'll spend extra time in there and she's going to think you're taking 73 dumps, but you're really going to be trimming it up. Like a barbershop in there. It's the truth. But yeah, man, so a lot of that, that's why I like having you on because of that perspective of what happens inside of the job. And you also don't know what the conversations are like, whether it's Kathleen Kennedy, anybody of like what you want to do next, right? Because you would assume that what she wants to do is run a studio.

Like, not just Lucasfilm. But why would you want to run a studio? You don't think so. You don't think she'd want to take like a, you know, Chapic is. I always say every time Chapic comes out from Disney, it's like you might as well play. the Benny Hill music. Yeah. He's a, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I guess, I don't know. I, at some point, you know, being the corporate stooge and not necessarily running creative and

getting credits on movies. But look at what, uh, what's his face, Iger, I mean, that guy, no, I know, that guy was like, he was like, he was like the ultimate, Iger crushed it. That, I, that was like the the ultimate, uh, executive, like that, he seemed like, you know, he knew, he just, I was, he's, he, Yeah. I was talking about this yesterday because, you know, I told you I teach at USC. I teach a business class on Hollywood. And one of the papers was about the problems at, well, Paramount in particular, this one paper. And because that's, I asked them write papers about two problems they would have fixed at a studio.

And Paramount in particular because they didn't have streaming in time and stuff like that. but I'm really oh in the other big one the reason sorry the other thing that they did at paramount was they could they had the chance to buy Marvel and didn't right Disney swooped in they had to pay out Marvel why because they were too averse to spending money and I guess also because they had when it was a universal

Hulk because Hulk came out and didn't Hulk it was made it universal and that but they right because Paramount was was Ironman right first Ironman But it was just a distribution deal. The first Paramount? The first Iron Man? You sure? I'm nine, well, I don't think so.

Maybe not the first Iron Man. I think you're right. Right after that, they raised all the money. They financed the movies themselves, and they had an output deal with Paramount. And they got rid, and they had a chance to buy it, and they didn't. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, you know, but Iiger bought Star Wars. I agree about Pixar. And he got it for it. And the fact, you know, when you look at, he got Star Wars for $4 billion. I know, which at the time,

movie was like, wow, that's a lot of money. And then almost within a year, it was like, oh, wait. I'll tell you, though, I didn't think it was a lot when it happened. Because, I mean, for an individual to get $4 billion, of course, it's a lot of money. But when you think about it, like, they're going to make that back in two movies. A couple movies. Yeah. Toys.

Toys and they already made that, like, times three. Yeah. And plus, Marvel. I mean, I want to know how much they bought Marvel for. Yeah. Because that's where Marvel has surpassed. Don't we know? I'm sure somewhere.

But yeah, I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's public information. I just don't remember. But the crazy part is Marvel was in bankruptcy. I know. Not that long before that. No, I know.

It was, they didn't, they weren't, it was not this, it was a dream to do all these adventures. People now, I remember back in the day when, when we were kids and thinking like,

how great it would be to see like Arnold and Sly in a movie together. And it was so, you're never going to see it because it's going to cost studio too much money. It'll never happen. And then the idea that you're going to get, movie like all of these big actors in one movie and then do it four or five times right and

it was insane even think about but now it's like yeah people have done it before and you can use that model well yeah well they did it before and uh in Avengers so we can do it now but i mean that was it's surpassed it's very similar to how i think you know grow in the 1930s 40s even up until like the 70s baseball was considered like America's pastime and still kept that moniker her a long time. But football is really, American football is really what in America's top sport. To me,

Marvel is football and Star Wars is baseball. Because it was from 70s until 80s. Yeah, that makes sense. It was Star Wars. And I mean, and I'm still a baseball fan over football, but I understand that football is the premier sport. I'm curious,

how long do you think this keeps going? Marvel? Yeah. Well, you know, you got to remember. I know they have the different. They have the shows and they have the movies themselves. I mean, well, this will go on and it's another 10 years for sure. Right.

Right. And the question is how many more phases afterwards. And then as long as it's very similar and people are, how does it similar at all to the Bachelor? Right. So the Bachelor is a show. That fucking show has been on the air for 21 years. Right. And people are, how does it stay on the air so long?

Because people keep growing up with it. Right. And people keep finding it And people keep going Okay, here's a 12 or 13 year old girl Watch it for the first time with her mom And now she's 24 And she's watching it with her 13 or 14 year old

Or whatever else she's And start the stories all over again Remake them It just keeps happening like that I worked on The Bachelor Yeah And it's the same shit It's the same fucking music

They use for the same scenes And it's the same thing How many sick of times You can see someone on a fucking airplane Jumping out of the thing It's like to a new person You don't remember any of these people The big stars of The Bachelor are,

are, no one remembers, like, I talked to my wife the other day, so anything I remember is Jake Pavelka? No one remembers Jake Pavelka, except me, because I worked with Jake Pavelka, right? But he was like the biggest thing. Yeah, right.

But the same goes true to, to like, Marvel and Star Wars. And it's like, you grow up, like, you grow up with it. You start, like, I showed my oldest Empire Strikes back. We watched that, we watched that, and she's, and hopefully she shows it to her kids. And it builds, and it builds, and it builds,

and it builds. So if people, and now that it's now streaming, streaming exchange it again, too. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah. You said it before, Spider-Man, not necessarily something you'd crazy about, but your kids want to see it. Yeah. And your kids will see it.

And then-Kedin's girlfriend is a massive Tom Holland fan. Well, there you go. So, I mean, that's, it's going to keep going on into, as long as, and what I do think that they do, even there's a lot of formulaic shit going on in it, they do try to change up the genres, right? So if you look at like Winter Soldier, which is like their spy thriller, you look at Ant Man, it's like, It's a heist film.

By doing that, and even, did you watch any of the series? Yeah. So, like, Wanda Vision, I thought was very creative. It's funny, we were just talking about this, too. The two, first two episodes of Hawkman, or Hawkeyes, sorry, Hawk, I'm D.C. Did you like them? Did you watch them? No, I thought the tone was weird and silly.

Yeah, so goofy, those, the guys with the sweats, like, come on. But I had a similar reaction to the first two episodes of Wanda Vision, where I was like, this is goofy. I don't get it. And then by the end, I was like, oh, this is really smart. Wanda Vision had a very lost feel to me. Yeah. Like Wanda Vision was, so it was cool.

To your point about trying different genres within the universe, Wanda Vision did a really good job. That was my least anticipated one out of all of them. And I wanted it really enjoying it because of how creative it was. And then I said to, and what they did, that was smart, it's very similar to Hawkeyes, they released them both in the same time, two episodes and the first. Because if you just released that 1950s episode, you'll lose a lot of,

lot of people. By doing two, they show you what the show is going to be by the time you hit, I think, like even the end of the first, but more so the second episode that I thought worked really, really well. And then it evolves into the classic Marvel thing. I definitely feel a goofiness to Hawkeye, but I'm not, I don't mind it. I think their chemistry is good, Haley Steinfield and Renner, which I like. My biggest issue, and again, it's caused a big, I did a review of the first two episodes.

My biggest issue was that they set up Kate Bishop very well and saying, look, when she's five years old. I like that opening scene. But that was great. But she's five years old. She's an archer. She's a taekwondo. She can kick your ass, right? I don't mind that.

What I mind is no matter who it is, she's not running around fighting bad guys all of her life. She's a rich kid running around. So the first time. She says it. She's a superhero. She's jumping. She's doing backflips. and she's doing, and people like,

well, she got her ass kicked. I'm not talking about just getting punched in the face. I'm talking about the attitude of just like, what the fuck did I get myself into? Right? Like, she sees a dead body. She's like, ah, she's the dead body. And then, but I don't mind.

Like, well, she got punched in the head. I don't mind that she, you know, that she's able to fight and stuff. That makes sense. Maybe you should take Kathleen Kennedy's job. Please. After, I, I, no thanks. Please.

If I say, you can't, you can't, in this fucking space, I don't, I don't, look, She got a thankless job, dude. Yeah, that's true. She had a thing. I think that, again, Favre and Faloni right now, to me, that would work. But, anyway. Yeah.

Yeah, but I am interested to see where Bish, where Hawkeye and this show is going to go because it's got that. It's got to go somewhere. It's got to go. I think it will. Did you see Black Widow? The movie? Yeah. Yes.

I didn't love that one. Did you love that one? I love, oh, I love the first half of it. Yeah. And then once they go. go up to the fucking spaceship. Same. The first half of it was great.

Same. I liked, you mean the helicopter? Whatever the hell it was. No, when they go up to fight bad guys in space or not space, whatever the hell that ship was. Oh, right, right, right, right, right at the end of the movie. Right, right, right. Yeah, it was, it's, I didn't, I liked Florence Pugh.

Yeah, a lot. And I think that, I mean, Scarjahan is always great, but it's just, you know, it's repetitive. You know this thing Marvel does really well. And, I mean, it's obviously, it's from the comments. but they set up a character dynamic that you expand upon and study and make it interesting and compelling and they put action in it yeah um and i that maybe that's the problem i'm having with hawkeye did you love i feel like you would love loki did you watch loki i did you love

did you love it um i i again i loved it i look because i love time travel yeah that's what i mean i loved it until the last two episodes too crazy for you just went off the rails oh see that i don't think you're going to like the spider-man thing because i think they're going to do i like the off the rails thing that they did. Wait, what do you mean, the multiverse stuff? I'm down with multiverse. I love multiverse ideas. I think it's cool if they do it right.

Okay. The problem I think is going to be, I mean, for me, is they're going to throw a million things at the screen all at once. It's going to be multiverse. It's going to be 800 bad guys. It's going to be, and then I'm just going to be like, too much. Yeah.

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Yeah. Where were you in Russia? Yeah. They did it. Did you guess that? Or did I tell you? No, I guess. Because I could say that I'm trying to hit you because you're, you know, it's you.

I wasn't Russia. I was in Moscow. I was doing a movie. Not Jonathan, Moscow. No. Most now. Moscow. I was doing a movie and it was right before we started shooting and I took the cast out to dinner.

It was the cast. Tell us. Okay, I could say it because I'm, uh, Joel Kinnaman, Emil Hirsch, a bunch of girls. Okay. When was this? How long? This was, how was it regency? So, I don't know, 10, 12 years ago.

No, so, you know, I mean, yeah, it was 10, 12 years ago. So you're sitting there with Kinnaman and Milherst. But we're out of dinner and everybody goes, let's go to a club. So I had someone get us a table at time. Before you do that, let me guess. So if I was going to guess the partier out of that group, I'm going to say it's Kinnamet. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's a maniac.

Yeah, seems like that. Oh, man, that guy. He parties. Yeah. All right. So, or he used to. I don't know if he still does. So we went out, we went to this club, and then at one point in the night, I black out.

Like, I just don't remember anything. And I'm going to tell you the PG version of the story. I woke up in my hotel room, not remembering anything. Naked. Yes. Yeah. To say the least. To say the least.

Like, do you ever see the hangover? Pussy. Dude, the hangar. I lived, so I lived it. So I wake up, I'm like, I don't remember. I just remember being at the club. I don't remember how I got nothing. And so I go down to the dormant.

I'm like, were you here when I got home? He's like, yeah. And I said, how did I get home? He goes, it was like 6.30 in the morning and someone dropped you off and you were really drunk. And I was like, okay, that's it. And he's like, yeah, I go, who dropped me off? He doesn't know. So finally, we had another event later that afternoon and all five members of the cast come running out to me.

And they're like, Navita, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I'm fine. Why? And they're like, you don't remember? I was like, no. they go well how's your leg i'm like it's fine they're like you don't remember i'm like no they go you got hit by a car last night so what happened was was that a meal or was it jill no it was joel no jol came up to me at the club took a bottle of vodka grabbed me by the face and just poured a

whole bottle down my throat i didn't remember that but that's how i you know took the whole bottle and it's poured it down my throat and then as we were leaving uh it was the world cup was going on so um and sweden had lost that day and he's half swedish and i was making i was teasing him about Sweden losing. I'm still wasted. No, no, no. No, but I, but it was a packed sidewalk and I step off the curb into Russian traffic, which even at five in the morning or whatever is like crazy.

And they're not going to save you okay. They're going to punch you in a head. I got hit by a car. No, I got hit by a car. I'm laying on the curb my leg. But here's a funny. With your leg? You're like, yeah.

Holding my leg. Yeah. Here's in that funny addendum to the story. Like a week later, I get home. And I just grabbed some pants. of my suitcase and I put them on and they were like these khaki like these tan colored pants and and I looked down later and I have this smudge mark on the inside of my leg and it even had writing in Cyrillic from where the car had made an imprint whatever though how so how did you

what do you get metal in your leg how did you how did you I don't know when you're drunk you know you bounce off things I guess I but it doesn't it doesn't make your bones you know better how How did you? I don't know. You have no idea of this. I don't remember anything. And I'm telling you the PG version of the store. Well, listen, you made it.

You're here today. Barely. I want to know, somewhere there's got to be traffic cam of that. Somewhere. There's traffic cam of everything. This traffic came from like 1970. That's actually a good point.

I wonder. By the way, speaking of it before you, did you watch any of that Beatles stuff? Yeah, we watched the first half of the first episode. Me too. I watched it. Incredible. I know.

It's crazy that this was out there and no one knew about it. First of all, not only, yes, but not only that, it looks like it was shot yesterday. I know. Peter Jackson cleaned it up so well. So for people who don't know, it's get back, which is the Beatles dock. And it's whatever year, I think, 169, I think it is. Yes. It's the beginning of 69.

It's the beginning of 69. And so the, and I didn't, I don't, I'm, I'm a Rolling Stones guy, Doors. It doesn't, I definitely appreciate the Beatles. I think they're one of the greatest. They're great. They're great. I'm just, I, my dad. It's very similar to where my dad,

I lived in Queens, but I was a Yankee fan, right? Right, I, my dad listened to the stones. I listened to the stones. I just responded to the stones a little bit more. But, love the Beatles. Beatles is letting me is like Seinfeld.

I appreciate how great it is. Just never went out of my way to, like, watch or listen to it. You know what I mean? So, that being said, I still, these are just some of the greatest artists of all time.

And then it's fascinating. It's fascinating. So for people don't know, it is this, they basically get this studio, because the Beatles had decided they want to play live anymore because the live scene is very different than what it is today and the way that they're

in the technology that they had and even when they're like bringing in the A-track machine. They wanted to record an album live and they had to write it in a couple of days. Yeah, a couple of weeks, yes. A couple of weeks. And so they're, but they're sitting there doing this and just watching Paul McCartney come up with Get Back

when he's sitting there and they're, and you just see Harris's, oh, yawning in the background. And then finally, they're saying, And he just starts riffing and going at it. And I'm like, holy shit. It's like you watch this. It's insane. And then watching the dynamic between John Lennon and Paul McCartney and then seeing pictures of them when they're kids.

Like you said, the fact that this stuff existed. And they even say it inside the doc. They're like, what, wait, you're recording this? Like, yeah, they're going to make it into some like show. Yeah. And then they do 52 years later or whatever it is. nuts. Do your kids watch it too?

Scarlett watched some of it with us. She started to get bored because she didn't have the appreciation. She's young. She didn't have appreciation for it. Vivian, same thing. She was watching. She was pretty in awe of it. And then a lot of the talking happens, she didn't get the full scale of it.

Yeah. We haven't gotten there yet, but there's some fighting that comes up. Oh, is there? Well, it's funny. You say George Harrison yawning. I guess he gets annoyed at the power dynamic of the other two in this. You see it at one point in the beginning of it where George is talking about trying to write lyrics. And John just kind of shines him on a little bit.

He's like, yeah, because I want to like be a part of it and do the writing tune. John's like, all right. It's kind of like, yeah, all right. It's like I've seen people, you and I have talked to people that way. You've been talked to that way. When someone's just like they're trying to be polite, but they're like, yeah, all right. Yeah. No interest of having.

I can't wait to finish the rest of it. It's really, really fascinating. For people who haven't, whoever checked it out, it's on. And I don't know how much Disney paid for it. Shit Tom, sure. Because what they tried to do, though, they had to, but they had to make some, you used to mention addendums. They had to make some choices that they didn't normally do.

And I think that's because Alan Horn stepped down, right? He's not there anymore. I don't know. Did he step down down? I think so. I thought he retired. I thought he retired because you remember. I remember when he was at Warner Brothers, like he's got a big thing.

And I actually appreciate this. He's got a big thing about showing, he don't like people smoking. Yeah. You don't like people smoking. Or hurting dogs. Right. I'm cool with that, especially for kids, right? I think that it does.

I think there's certain times. In Disney, I don't think you need smoking, right? Like, so there are times in other movies, in a Tarantino movie or other thing, like to cut out smoking is silly because it's what happens and, you know, but for Disney movies, it's sometimes you need it. But they give you that warning up in this, because apparently Disney wanted to cut some of the cursing.

And they're like, no. You're not cutting the cursing. You're not cutting the smoking. is what the doc is. You either want it, you don't want it. Right. And I go, we'll take it because they knew. Look at what Hamilton did.

Yeah. No, I know. It's crushing a lot of money on Hamilton. Everybody's talking about this thing, as they should be. It's phenomenal. And I've only watched like an hour. Yeah. Yeah.

It feels like it should have been on Apple. Yeah. It makes sense. But Disney's got the cash. Yeah. You know, Disney can make the offers. That's why it ties back into everything we've been talking about today. Yeah.

Kathleen Kennedy puts out a movie. There's a billion dollars. Yeah. Buy the Beatles doc. We got it. Marvel just made another, whatever it is, $2 billion. Buy this, buy that.

They can do that. It's a monopoly, but hey, yeah. That's how you fucking play the game. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I don't know that I would want to be the head of a studio these days.

It's back to the Kathleen Kennedy thing. What's Greg Silverman doing? He's running his production company, Stampede. He just had an announcement yesterday. Did he? Yeah. He was running. Warners.

He was running Warner for a little bit, right? Well, he was the president of production. Yeah. Not the CEO. He's running his own shit now? Yeah. He raised money. Supposed he can finance film.

Definitely financing development. Yeah. I think he's doing well. Yeah. Yeah. We had a movie. Catherine Hardrook was going to direct it. She just fell out last week.

Oh, okay. A horror movie. You in Severman? Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. So what's going on with the Liza thing? Can I talk about it?

You talked about it last time. I did. But did I say that I sold it? No. Oh. I guess you just sold it. Oh, you did. You said to Netflix.

Oh, yeah, okay. I did say it. Well, we're still negotiating. They low-balled us as producers. Yeah. And I made threats. Oh. What kind of threats can you say or no?

Yeah. I mean, I said, the way it works in Hollywood is if you take something out, generally speaking, you want the most heat around it. So you take it to as many people as possible. You build up a lot of momentum and everybody wants it and they pay you a shit ton of money. Yeah. We hadn't gone to anybody else. except for one indie financier who wanted it.

And so I gave it to Kevin Hart's people because the guy runs his friend of mine. And they wanted to do it. They took it on Netflix. Four months later, still waiting on Netflix to make us a producing deal offer, long story short, because it's a lower budget movie,

they're not giving Kevin's company their full freight. We thought we'd a piece of his fat deal and we're not. And so we had to figure out our own deal. And that's where we are. Does that play into, because a lot of I had her movie that was on Netflix. Yeah.

Did it do okay? It did better than I think they thought it was going to do. So that's why I was wondering. There was a conversation around that because it was right before it came out where they were like, but then it came out and you're able to kind of leverage it. Yeah. So she's able to, and you're able to kind of leverage it. And she also is attached to direct this.

Okay. So that was what you said last time. Yeah. But it is that she decided she wanted to do that. Yeah. Yes. That's great. I mean, long story short,

she's got to go in and present it to them. Great. What she wants to do. But I think her vision for it's amazing. Good. I love Eliza. Before we get you out of here, last thing is,

I feel like you, there's so many books and science fiction books that you had read and knew about it. I feel like Wheel of Time was your, you knew about it a long time ago.

Oh, dude, there's so many. There's so many. But this Wheel of Time thing, I haven't watched you yet. I haven't watched you yet. But I hear it's great. Yeah.

And so I get comments about it. Like, I got to review it. You got to review it. You got to check this out. And last night I watched the trailer. I like Roseman Pike. I didn't even realize she was in it. And I watched the trailer with my wife.

And she's like, this is pretty much a replacement for Game of Thrones, huh? And it's like, it seems more Lord of the Rings than it is Game of Thrones. Definitely more Lord of the Rings. Yeah, because,

and I mean, because Game of Thrones is like Lord of the Rings rated R. Super R almost X at some points, right? But this doesn't seem as kind of like McBethy, you know? Right. Right. Correct. Yeah, this seems more fantasy.

You probably get some, you know, with the orcs and it looks like that kind of shit. So, so, there was a lot of, lot. There's a ton of books. There's still a bunch. I actually was having Scarlett read a couple of them that I liked as a kid. Um, that I think still the, I think part of the reason why they couldn't ever be made in the movies is because trying to fit in into two hours, you know, is hard, but series. I know. And that's why you're seeing it all. Foundation,

will of time. Percy Jackson, they're redoing it now. Is it a series? Yeah, they're doing for Disney Plus. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, there's, there's actually a lot of books out there that I don't, I, Did we talk about this, what Jesse, when he was my assistant, did at Silver? Kind of. I owe him a phone call. I had him, oh, he's just going to want you to invest money. That's what I figured. Hey, Jesse.

So I had him take all the Hugo Award winners and the Nebula Award winners, every one of them forever, and take everything they've ever written and put it into a database with a log line next to it. even short stories. And so it was like, here's this short story by Isaac Asimov. Here's this short story by Philip Kiddick. You know, all of them. And like log lines.

And we went through every single log line and went, that sounds cool. Let's read it. I remember altered carbon, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And so I think somewhere I still have it, this massive database.

I found Ted Chang, the guy who wrote the short story that Arrival was based on. I found that through that database before anybody knew who he was. Why are you not? I know that you like movies. obviously. Why are you not just a television producer right now?

With the amount of books that you've read and the amount of books of what you just said and that you could turn into actually, because you get the kind of budgets that you used to be able to get for, you know. Here's another good story. Yeah. 10 years ago, it was exactly 10 years ago. This is actually two good stories. You told me that's Netflix when you went into Netflix. Yeah, the Netflix one of the last time. But there was another thing that happened right before that.

I went into William Morris when I lost my job at New Regency because a new guy came in and fired everybody. And I had been doing studio shit for 12 years and was tired of developing something and then not going and, you know, the usual Hollywood thing. I was just fucking tired of it. And, um, and I went into William Morris and they were like going to TV. And this was, again, right before the Netflix boom and everything else. I was like, I didn't come here to do TV. Why would do TV? And TV had a really, 10 years, even 10 years ago, it still sucked. And, and I was like, why would I go to TV? I remember being so upset that he said that, that I almost started crying. I was like, why, why?

And they were like, TV's the future for at least the next 10, 15 years. It's the future. Because they had just gotten out of a staff meeting with Ari and Patrick who said, take all of your clients out of movies and put them into TV. And I didn't listen or pay attention. And then the funny thing is that Netflix story that until last time happened like three weeks later. Right. And I was like, I mean, you know, like, again, not seeing me.

Look, I'll admit it. I totally missed the boat on it. Yeah. To answer your question, it was your Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To answer your question, I do know about a lot of books.

The problem is, me as a TV producer, I mean, I don't mean, fuck all. They only care about writers or if you control IP. Even unless you get one. I know. I have to, yes, unless you get one and you start. Yeah. Yeah. Which I'll do.

You just fucker that got wheel of time. Yeah. No, I know. I know. But the next move is to try to figure out a way to raise money to acquire a bunch of this IP. And then you go get a, you know, Benny off or whoever, I mean, whoever, the big TV guy to go, Ooh, I like that, and then you're off to the race. That's how you do it.

But to control the IP is key right now. And I have a list of books. That's the beauty, though, because in movies right now, the ones that are making money are Marvel and Star Wars and the big, I mean, the ones that are going to, because people don't want to, because I think that when you have Ridley Scott going out there talking about, ah, the reason of the movie interested, because of streaming. Yeah.

It's also, if I know that I can see a really good movie now or a good series on streaming, I'm going to watch on streaming. I don't need to go spend 15 and 20. I really want to see that. What was the one that he did with Ben Affleck and Damon? The last duel? The last duel, yeah. I really want to see that movie.

He blames on millennials on their phones. Come on. I don't really want to see that movie. But I hear what you're saying, and I totally agree with you. Yeah, I just don't want to see in the theaters. I don't need to see it in the theaters. That's a big problem. It's another thing we've been talking about in my business class.

It's a big problem right now for the business. If you're not seeing it in theater, because of the back-end money, right? Yeah. For producers, you get paid out for streaming stuff, and that's it. You don't see a penny ever after that. They're going to change deals, though. Deals are going to change.

They're going to get worse. You think so? Yes. They're going to get worse. Disney's already cutting out any of the buyouts. Because you don't need them. No, no, no. The buyouts are giving people, like, here's a little bit extra because you're not

getting back in. They're getting rid of that. Right. So I have to tell you one other quick thing. Because I just thought of it. Tell the time of the story. The other day, Scarlett, my youngest, was watching. She said, can I watch something?

She turned on the TV. And in the background, I heard someone say Tila. Yeah. And I went, and I went, are you watching He-Man? And she was like, yeah, how the hell did you know that? And I'm like, because Tila, right? But it, like, it's- You're watching the Kevin Smith ones?

Yeah. Are they kind of on Netflix? The Revelations one. On Netflix. Yeah. Well, there's two on Netflix. I don't know. I didn't look to see which one she's watching.

But that, that's gotten to another generation. Of course. Because the way it's built out. But like, that's the whole thing is that I think that, and I've been, I've been, I've been arguing for why I think I don't give a shit, it's going back to the Star Wars conversation. I don't give a shit I've ever seen a Star Wars movie in a theater again. Will I?

Oh, yeah. Go see it. It comes out. Yeah, it's a big spectacle and that's how Star Wars movies look great. Yeah. But I don't want to see Mandalorian as a two-hour movie. I want to be able to build those characters. I want to be like Obi-One, I'm so glad Obi-Wan's going to be seven hours. It's a seven-hour movie. Yeah. With Debra Chow directing the whole thing.

And you spend more time, I talk about this all the time. You spend more time with the characters. You get to develop them. It's much more compelling and interesting. There's a counterbalance to that, though, that I said recently. I said to somebody the other day, I'm tired of these fucking series that are just only character. Yeah.

Or like literally nothing happens. I hate to bag it because a friend of mine wrote it. But have you watched Invasion? No. Invasion is like alien invasion happening. But by episode four, it's still the woman who found out her husband's cheating on her and blah, like, and nothing's happening. Right.

You got to have a couple of moments. You got to have moments. Yeah, yeah. And that partially is due to the pandemic. But, yeah, and they rewrote it to be more contained. But, like, enough with the long. You got to have, you got to have the moments. You got to have the moments for sure because it's still,

it's still why you're watching the series. And it's still, you got to have those big moments that happen and develop because you care of the stories because you're with the characters. And then when that big thing happens, it's more than just a big thing happening. It's like that. And that's usually what happens in movies. They're so crammed together that you can't spend enough. time with them that you have two and a half hours or whatever it is or two 20 to try to cram

everything in and make you care and the other big thing that the reason why i have i scream for television is because if i don't like an episode of mandolorean episode three yeah it was kind of dull yeah i have episode four next week yeah as opposed to but you got to wait two or three years maybe right maybe you're not even going to another one because it doesn't do enough money yeah you ain't going to see it. And then it's like, and then you're like, oh, fuck. And plus the fact the way the Twitter is and people screaming at each other about it, it's like, at least they scream at each other for a week. And like, oh, well, that one's cool. All right, I don't hate you anymore. Right. So, no, that's true. Yeah. Have you, have you watched The Great? No, which one's that?

The Great. About Catherine the Great with Dakota Fanning and Nicholas Holt? But that's the one, before you tell me about this. Dude, you and say, do you need to watch that? I will. But that's the other thing. There's, that's the only, that's one of the big problems with TV. Yeah. There's so much. So much. And unless I have someone who is like a real like expert on all of it. Like so I try to get McCougan here. McCugan knows everything about fucking TV. Him and Roxy.

You know everything about TV and everything that's on. I get lucky. I'll hear like real of time. I wouldn't have known unless the audience didn't recommend it. Right. The audience says here, check this out. Check this out. I'll do a trailer.

I'll do this. There's certain things I didn't even know. And before actually before you live, I do want to talk about King Richard because that's another one that people kept telling me about. Oh, yeah. But we watched it. You did watch it.

This weekend. So before we talked about. King Richard, you were saying about the... Oh, just the great. Watch it. What's on? It's on Hulu. Okay.

It's vulgar. It's crap. But it's amazing. The performances are great. Nicholas Holt's a massive movie star. That's completely underrated. They all deserve nominations. It's just funny as shit.

Look, for a lot of the fans watching... It's a period piece, right? Yeah. That's what I was just going to say. It's not a fan boy thing because it's period. I like that. But it's fucking hilarious. Yeah, I like that stuff.

The dialogue is amazing. The trailer. All right, lastly, so King Richard. Yes. Will Smith's going to win. It's funny. Before, he's owed one. So before I saw this movie, I had just seen Tick, take, take, boom.

Yeah. With Andrew Garfield. Andrew Garfield. Did you see it yet? Not yet. Really good. I mean, he's really good in it. Jonathan Larson playing John Larson,

director, Rent, not director, writer, creator, writer, creator, writer, and I'm like, it's going to be hard to beat him. 20 minutes in, I go, he's got beat. Because Will Smith is out of control in this movie. He even has the cadence with the, The way he talked, I guess. And his, and the, the, the, the, did you watch the little behind the scenes? No.

So they show the Williams sister showing up on step for the first day. Oh, I did see that. I mean, and, and, and they, and I think it's Venus that, that, that, uh, Will Smith and goes, hey, daddy. And, and, and he goes, she's like, wow, you really got like, like, the voice down and everything, too. Yeah. He did. That's an endorsement. And, and his performance is bananas.

Yeah. He's in character, by the way, in that, in that behind the scenes thing. He's trying to, he's trying to, he's trying to not be, but he's still in character and he watching him. It's hard not to be in character. but and as he's great, he's the talk of the movie, as he should be.

The casting in this movie is brilliant. The wife is fantastic. The daughters are, you know, dude, they put side by side photos. I saw somewhere online. Yeah,

yeah. I have, I actually have, look at this. So they actually sent this to me here. Check this out. They sent this to you? Yeah,

they sent this. This is a picture of, it's from that day. And it is a picture of, um, Will Smith, the real William sisters and the daughters who played him. So I'm going to see if I can show the camera here. Let's see if I can see it.

Check that out. That's a little. That's really cool. No, he's going to win. So, but, and he should win. Yeah. John Bernthal is so good in this movie. Yeah, he's good.

And normally, he's always good. Yeah. But he plays a lot of similar characters, whether they have a southern accent or East Coast accent. And it's the kind of tough guys or either, you know, he's either plays a tough cop or he plays a tough kind of drug dealer or he can play it all. But he's kind of goofy in this role. And when you see the guy's playing, you understand why. What a haircut on this guy.

But he's so good and he's so, like John Burr- No, you had Rambo three here. No, you had Rambo three here. John Bernthal is really good in this movie. The whole cast, it's phenomenal. You haven't seen King Richard. You should check it out. No, it's great.

It's great. I was psyched to see something so unique and different original get so much attention. And the movie was good too, though, because normally a lot of times of biopics, it's like, usually most biopics, like the movie was, the performance was great. The movie was okay. Yeah. A lot of times, right? Like I thought Judy, I thought she's great. That movie was good.

Right? But like this movie is great. It's a feel good movie. It's, you know, it's inspirational. It's also, they don't try to sugarcoat the fact that he's a real, you know, he's a fucking painting ass. Yeah. But, you know, he just had... It was pan...

You hate him at one point in the movie. Yeah, you do. By the way, I'll tell you about it next time because I can't talk about it until we close the deal, but I'm selling Will Smith something that the fans will like. It's an IP. All right, we'll talk about it. What was the one, and hopefully it's not this one?

What was the one that was kind of like Halo that used to have back in the day, the respawning one? Remember that movie? You were trying to push for a while? Oh, yes. Remember that one? Spates's first script, Shadow 19. Yeah.

What's going on with that? John Spates, who just wrote... What big... Big ass movie did he just do. What's going on with Shadow 19? It's just sitting there. The one Canon wanted to do it. Turned into a series, man.

Yeah, well, it's stuck at Warner's. And remember, we hired two writers to rewrite it and paid them like a million bucks. So it's sitting there with a couple million bucks. When you get your company off the grain and start running TV, just hire me to do TV. I'll do TV with you. Okay. Shadow 19 is a good idea for a show. That's what I'm saying.

I wonder Spates could get it in the WGA buyback time. I don't know. His draft. All right. And now I'm getting them fucking, you give me back in. All right. Guys, thank you so much for joining us here today. Navid Macalachie, producer extraordinaire.

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