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Episode Date: January 12, 2023

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Steph. Hello. And The Killer is back. Howdy. Good to have everybody back. Good to be here. Yeah, it's good to have everyone. Happy New Year to everybody if you haven't been on the show already.

Yeah. Yeah. All right, Mike. Yeah. You start us off. Bad Batch. Well, I thought that it built on a lot of the stuff in the second episode, but it also wasn't a lot of the crew, which I liked.

Sure. You know, so we didn't see a lot of the crew. Close. Which I liked. Well, yeah, that part was true. Yeah. Yeah, but the rest of it, you. It didn't bell.

I found my way, because I found myself in many situations, especially with sports, where if you just kind of believe what you're saying and kind of just say nebulous stuff, you can fake your way into conversation. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, well, all right. So good. You bet you could be fake.

She was taking that. You sold me out. You sold me out right on air. Talk to you in 10 minutes. Cancel Kalanowski. Unbelievable. Oh, now you're not on my side either. Okay.

I just said unbelievable. I don't know what this is. This is not your fault. This is we're trying to get this fixed. Try that. Yeah. Okay. Hello.

All right. So then I'm going to start with the professional on the show. Steph. Bad Batch. Episode three. Yeah. Full spoilers here. For anybody who hasn't seen it, you can, if you haven't seen, you can skip to the time code.

But what did you think of this episode? I thought it was great. is my favorite episode of the season thus far, which kind of does suck because it doesn't have most of the bad batch. But I think I said that. Crosshair is the most interesting character to me right now. Thank you for saying that. Yes, of course.

And so, and then we saw in the trailer, Cody was going to come back, but I thought that was a great reveal. And I just thought that the episode did a great job of being like a classic clone-wheres episode where you have good themes that are presented. Like, I like where cross-hares going.

I definitely think he's going to end up on the good side by the end of the season. And also it was just like great action. I liked how dark it got. Yeah. I liked how dark it got. And it did have that Clone Wars feel because of how dark you was able to get. And what I will say is, I'm not going to spoil this for anybody.

But as we talked about it in the last, I didn't, it did. And it still concerns me that there are some episodes that definitely play into the adventure of the week type thing. You've seen them all. I've not seen them all yet. I've seen about, that's what I was going to get into next. I'm about nine episodes in. But they gave you them all. Yes.

You had access to me. Yeah, I'm nine episodes in right now. Yeah. There are some episodes like this one that are significantly better. And it's when they start focusing on an actual story. Right. When they focus on a story, the show is pretty awesome. Yeah.

There's a few episodes down the line that really, really deliver because it's starting to get to what this show is really supposed to be about. There are a few episodes where it's like, they get sent on an adventure. They're on some planet. And it's like, okay, can me pass this one. Let me ask you this then to what you're saying. Because we talked about that during Mando. A lot of people complained about those episodes. We felt, they're a filler, it's filler.

Get to the story. But we love those episodes. So why are you not feeling the same with these fillers? Different because I think that the Mando episodes eventually start to play into the overall idea of the through line of the story. Yeah, but of the entire story itself where it seems like Bad Batch starts to repeat the same formula of they get sent on a mission. They have to do this. They figure something out on the mission. And some people love, that's what people, some people watch the show.

But as I said, like the, there's a few episodes, like, I don't know if it's episode four, I think four and five, there are few of them that are just like, okay, same thing. And I's like, I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it through this whole thing. But then they start to, there's some stuff that happens on Corrason as all, I'll say. And fantastic episodes. But this episode. Oh, I'm excited about that. Yeah, it's great.

But with the Mandalorian even, like, the first episode Bill Burr was introduced to, I think was an adventure of the week. In Mandalorian. Yeah. And then you get him the second episode. it's like one of the best Mandalorian episodes. And that's why it's not adventure the week anymore. Right, yeah, yeah. Because then the answer Mike's question,

because you think it is at first, but then you realize that all of that went down, you have to introduce yourself to them and you're still being introduced to Mando's past. And so all that, that's kind of why the play is. However, this episode, I thought was fantastic because it does play in, though, I think the overall arc, at least the very end,

as Steph said, you're going to get Crosshair, who is just, he's still, in that mode of, I'm a good soldier, and I'm going to prove that I'm a good soldier. Even though his inhibitor chip is out. He doesn't care. Yeah. He doesn't care. And by bringing Cody in and it's not Cody at the end who, and he's got to see this

at the end where it's basically they have the woman who wants to have this negotiation. Cody's like, I'm going to talk to you. Just chill out, put it down. And then the empire is the empire. No, killer. And Cody's like, I can crosshair does it. So I don't know about crosshair going good. He just, I feel like he's, one or two things is going to happen.

He either, there's no way back for him or he's going to eat it doing something heroic. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was, that's what I think is going to happen. Yeah. But I agree. Yeah, he's still so frustrating because at every point I still want him to turn. Yeah.

But this episode, I still enjoyed like that internal battle. That's why I say he's the most interesting because it is like, when you think about war in general, there's people who think they're fighting for the good side and they're not. Right. And he's also kind of lost, right? In the beginning, he's eaten by himself in the cafeteria and, like, he gets called in and he just, he just wants to work again because he doesn't know what his purpose is. And he doesn't have his buddies with him anymore. So this is easily one of the best episodes in Bad Batch, I think, one and two, because it really dove deep into who this guy is and you felt for him and there was a motion behind it and the politics of where it all went and

going to that planet and realizing that they were just trying to kind of survive through and the remnants of the war and how the Duku stuff and politics. Yeah, it was great. I thought the callbacks are, were really well done because it made you invest it. Kind of like what I was talking about with the first episode of season one, where we have an order 66, it makes you be like, oh, okay, like this is what I love, this is, but you're introducing a news story at the same time and then developing a past story that we know of, but maybe don't have as much information about.

Yeah, and I think that that's what they did. And there are things that add into this in general that you start to see that this guy who's given him the orders and sending him on the next mission to go, look, well, guess what? You just did this, great. You proved yourself worthy, you know, go find your buddies, right? And keep it on the DL because I don't want anyone else to know about it. Yeah. That's the overall theme that is consistent in this show.

And as they focus in on it, if they do what I hope that they do and what I've seen so, far in the other episodes, if they continue to do that, then this season's going to be significantly better than the first. Because there are those episodes. I'm telling you'll know exactly what I'm talking about, where they go on some mission with Wanda Sykes' character. And I was just like, oh, this is like the same thing that they do. I'm like, are they going to do this every episode? In the next episode, they're like, nope. And they bring in, it gets really, it's, I would be lying if I was going to say, I was, like, bummed where I turned, because we were watching the freaking Golden Globes yesterday. And I was like, I want to be watching.

bad batch right now and I haven't said that I haven't been like oh I really wish I was watching that show right I was I was hooked after a few of those episodes but this episode is a is a kind of a of a appetizer of those episodes down the line because you don't get those in the next four or five but you but you get them as they come out later on and it's um it's yeah they they they seem to know where they want to go with the show I liked all the droids too yeah the joints were great I mean it was great that they brought back the old Roger Roger yeah so bizarre I hated them so so much when I was a key like when they first came out and now I was like oh it's a Roger Roger robots and even the way that they played those up um yeah you enjoyed that yeah I really I thought

again like that's like bringing in stuff that we're like oh yeah familiar with but then adding it with the story in a way that doesn't seem forced right and then just is a great world builder for this time that they're telling yeah uh Mike thoughts uh well you know it's interesting you say that because of the filler episodes and whatnot but I was always into the batch themselves. But I don't know. But as far as crosshairs and him turning bad, sure, he's not turning good. He'll go out heroically saving them. So we will go good, but he's going to eat it. Yeah, he's going to eat it in a trope. I don't think he's going to turn fully. Yeah, he's going to have like a moment where he saves him at the end, I think, and eats it. But

see, I'm still a good soldier. Yeah. And he's going to have one of those moments. A lot of them got to eat it, though. This has to be the last season, right? I think so. I was going to ask you guys. What do you think? Is this, there's a talk of a third or are they going to keep churning these things out forever? Could be, I mean, could be ratings-wise. It could be something to, and look, it's not going to, it's not going to make, I mean, Flonnie's pockets are going to get a little more full as he makes them. So why wouldn't you want to keep making them if people are still liking them, if it makes sense, you know? I mean, it's a different, I don't say it's a different demographic, but it caters, you know, you get the younger

viewer in there as opposed to Andor, you know? Absolutely. And it's not, but it's also one of those, it's, I think when you make the animated show if you're Lucas, film, you know right away, you're like, look, we don't need the type of ratings at Obi-Wan. Yeah, we don't need those type of ratings for this show or Mandalorian. We don't need those. We just need this number because the cost on the show is significantly lower than the cost on the other shows. So here's what we need to hit, whatever that number might be.

And I'm sure they're hitting it and then some. And they get the hardcore Star Wars. This show is meant for the hardcore Star Wars. It's not meant for casual viewers as the way that these other shows need to be. And or though, it's funny. And I still get people, what you got to do, please, you have to do if you're commenting going, well, that's why Indoor's ratings are bad. Please understand how streaming works.

This is not a movie. I know that we think about this, but when you get initial reports of all, and or bombed, it didn't. It was nominated for a bunch of awards and gets what happens because you already have the subscription service and you hear a show is good. Do you know what happens? People start to watch the show. And that is what's happening.

When you get awards buzz and you're already paying for the service, people start to watch the show. I had our show with our mutual friend, Justine Marino, not a Star Wars fan, and said, I've heard everything about Android. I guess I'm going to start watching. I'm not even a Star Wars fan. People are watching the show now. So that's the thing you have to realize. It just drives me nuts and be like, well, that's why the show bombed. The show did not bomb.

It's why they already had a season two. They would have had the season two go. It's the same people like, Avatar 2. Bomb. People are now staying, by the way. People are now saying that Avatar 2, I saw this, are faking the box office. Oh my God, y'allel. That's hilarious.

Like, how do you do that? That's like a crime. Why? Why? Why? How do you do that? Why would they? Why?

You know what we got to do? You know what we got to do? I can't. We got to fake our numbers. But because even though we faked it and it bombed, man, it makes sense to make another one. Right. What are you talking about? Yeah.

Stick your head in a pile of sand. Don't come up. Choke yourself out. Choke yourself out. That is the dumbest thing anyone has ever said. And why? Why? Why do you care?

Why do you want to say that it bombed? Why? I'll inch that. But why? I'll answer that. Click. That's why. I can't.

Like, like, like, like, like, like. I can't. It's so stupid. That's just stupid. I was talking over the holidays. That's just stupid. Yes. Box office and stuff like this.

And I had spent some time with Dan Merrill. And he went into a deep dive on on that. and the click stuff and how the numbers and this and that and that's like boggles my mind i don't have time to watch a half hour bad badge how do they have time to make a video well hold on go back you don't have time what'd you do last night when you got home from work don't you lie to me what did i do last night yeah i spent time with my no no lovely girlfriend you and then when she went to sleep what you did she didn't go to sleep she's still up she's still awake right now from last night she's still she's still awake she's still awake she's still awake she's

Just like she's 40 cups of coffee. How long was this on 36 minutes? Yes. When she went to sleep, what did you do? Don't lie. What game did you play? What 13-year-old did you fight with on the line? GTA.

Yeah, you, right. I know, I actually took a nap. You were beating up. I took a nap and I woke up at 2.30 in the morning. And played what? I didn't play any games last night. So don't tell me you didn't have time. I'm making a point here.

I was trying to make a point. And you ruined the point. That's fine. Go ahead. I don't have time to sit there and edit and upload and video this and that thing saying avatar. are, I'm tired to make any money. How?

Money. You know, Dan, and went deep dive on it with me. Yeah, does they make money? Fascinating. Because they make money. Fascinating. If you, that's why I always say, if you may, if you, if your brand is hatred, you can't say you like anything anymore.

Because if you do, then they're going to call you, they're going to call you a simp. They're going to call you a shill. They're going to call you all these things. And you can't do that. You've got to hate everything. That's against your brand. It is weird. It's a weird thing, though.

Yeah, the movies and TV are becoming political. Oh, that's been going on for a while, stuff. Yeah, I guess. At least six, seven years. Like Shapiro, and it's like, bro, like, why are you here? But that's been going on for a while. Because they've now, it's now. They've made it like a little.

Yeah, yeah. And I get those people. Hollywood's on the bad side. I get those people that do that. But the legions of followers, like if you come in anything against that, the droves come out to defend them. That's a lot of different things to look. But to be fair, and to be fear on that, also, there's still another side of it,

where you can still get hit on from the other side, who think they're the good side, right? Oh, my God, you don't like She-Hulk? You hate women. Yeah. You're right. You're not like it. You like women.

Oh, what? You didn't think Black Panther was that good? You're racist. Oh, boy. But that's what I mean. Yeah, you're right. And I'm not telling you everybody does that. Of course not.

But that happens. And it's like, there's an extreme on both sides. And you can choose whatever side you think is worse. That's fine. But, I mean, and there's other side, too, like, oh, you know what, it came out? I love it. But it was terrible. I love it.

What about this? I love that, too. What about this? That's the best. Everything's the best. Oh, I know. There's tons of people who love everything. Like, they love everything.

Oh, no, no. And it drives me nuts. Perfection. That's perfection. I mean, look, you want to look at the positive of everything. Good for you. But someone said the other day, they were like, why do you have to, if you don't like something, you know, I think it was talking about Obi-Won.

Yeah. Don't you think you're alienating your fan base by saying that you, don't like that you don't like this thing? And I was like, no. First of all, we've said like 8,000 times. That's my point. But that's what I'm saying is I'm not, I think alienating the fan base is saying if you liked Obi-Wan, you're a moron and you're a simp and you're a shell.

If you like that show, then you suck. Then, yeah, you should be alienated for me because you shouldn't want to come hang out to this channel. You should want to feel like you can come into this conversation. and say, hey, man, I really liked that stuff that you didn't like. And here's the reason why I enjoyed that show. That's what I like. When people come at me going, hey, you didn't like that?

I liked it. And this is the reason why. And I'm like, huh, I never thought about it that way. I love that. Right. So I actually feel you'd be doing a disservice to the fan base if you were just saying, oh, I'm going to tell you about everything I loved about the show. I'm not going to tell you anything about what I didn't like.

Because I was so baffled by that comment is, like, you're alienating your fans. If you feel alienated because I'm telling you my thoughts on a particular thing that I didn't like, then you really shouldn't watch this show. When I'm looking for new shows or new podcasts to listen to it, whatnot, I'm always critical of like, how are they as far as, are they, even when they say they love something, you're like, yeah, but this is, I understand why you don't like this. If it's that blanketed praise, I'm like, nah, I can't go for that.

But even if it's one of those things. Well, that's, but that's why you and I will have the conversation where you'll say, well, why do you like that? Well, here's the reason why. And you go, okay, well, I don't agree with it, but I understand your point of view. Yeah. And that's the type of thing that I think. think that everyone should be able to have a conversation about it. And no one should say, well, you're an idiot for liking.

I don't agree with you. You think that if you think Obi-Wan was a really brilliantly written show, good for you guys. And I think that's great. And you think it was a brilliantly directed show, then good for you. Look, I'm clearly might be in the wrong because Deborah Chowder just got nominated for director's guild for Obi-Wan. I didn't think it was the best directing that I had seen in television, but clearly other people had different opinions on it.

And I think, and good for her. Congratulations to her. That's a big win. Yeah. But, yeah, like, I think that there's a difference between, there's the same thing when people go, oh, you can't take criticism. Well, what's your criticism?

Is your criticism, hey, I don't agree with your points because of X, Y, Z. And I think that instead of maybe saying it this way, you guys could have said it that way, that's criticism. This is a dumb thing that you don't know. You're wrong, blah, blah, blah. That's a matter of fact. That's a statement. That's not criticism.

And there's a difference when people think, like, oh, if you say something negative about something that's criticism, that's not criticism. Criticism is when you have backed up points. The whole reason, we just have the whole conversation on tomorrow's big thing about film criticism, right? You get someone, again, like, I,

99.9% of the time, I never agree with William Bibiani on takes on anything, but he's a brilliant film critic. He's a brilliant television critic. He knows that articulate his words and bring point his opinion, and I go, well, I don't agree with anything you're saying, but you make a lot of sense because of what you're saying,

The way you write is a really good writer. And I think that that's the difference between saying that's criticism as a point of just saying, well, I hate this and this, and this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, that's not, you're just saying you hate something. What do you not like about it? And then going into that criticism. Yeah. So, anyway.

I think that was the dumbest thing you've ever said. You're right. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. A true statement. A true statement in general. But anyway, but Bad Batch, as we mentioned, episode three, it's out right now. And Crosshair really delivers it.

It was good to see Cody back. Right. I don't know. Is his chip gone? No, I don't think so. You don't think his chip is gone? I don't. I guess it really doesn't matter because he's not really, how is he going to react if he sees

some Jedi that pop up? Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Interesting. And we don't even know when he's going to pop up again. But as we get deeper and deeper into the story, I will say that, the lore starts to get better.

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All right. So how we've been doing this lately? I don't know if Mike's been part of this yet. Mike, will we... Have I been? Let's see. I don't think so. And this is all across the board in every big thing episode.

And I don't know have you done this yet. You did last week. Yes, week. Oh, boy. So basically what we could do is that we're going to put some topics on the table. Okay. And then we'll go through them. the three of us and you can choose which one you want to talk about.

If you know about the story, you can summarize it a little bit. If not, then we can go through it on the actual rundown. But here's, we covered Bad Batch and there's really only three stories outside of the questions themselves. So we're just a matter of which ones we're going to go with first. So I'll start us off and I'm going to go with this big announcement, potentially, of the new movies at Star Wars Celebration in 2023. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think this is something, I mean, Steph and I talked about this, I think, last week. But it's, they're talking about there's a good possibility that Star Wars Celebration is going to give us the first real announcement of the Lindelof movies and all that.

And there's a lot with Jeff Snyder here. So a new rumor indicates that the new Star Wars movie directed by Charmine Abad Chinoi and written by Damon Lindelof, will star a person of color. In addition, the rumor indicates that the new Star Wars movies are meant to release in 2025, 2026, and 27. They're going to be announced at Star Wars Celebration this year. Jeff Snyder, who broke the rumor about Lindeloff writing a Star Wars screenplay, spoke on John Roker's podcast, the hot mic,

about a tip that he'd heard regarding the project, which he believes is targeting the December 19th, 2025 release date. At 56 minutes and 14 seconds into the show, he brought attention to an earlier set of tweets that he made talking about a person of color actor who had success on both television and film but had not led a franchise movie at this time. Now, this is an earlier one because he talked about a male, but then he, then he updated it. And he said that an update to his tweet, he said that he's actually, it's going to be a woman of color, not a man.

So this is then, this was the update on, I guess, Roka Show. And then Senator also said, I don't, they're talking about Tyca's movie. So I don't know if the movie itself is dead, but it feels dead. Like I've said, I think that the movie, the Lindelof's movie will be 2025, and I think that they could have their movies for 2026 and 2027. I don't know if Tykes is one of those, but I really get much heat. I don't really, I really get much heat off of that one or Kevin Feige's either for that matter. I don't get any heat of the two of those.

Incidentally, Daniel D.P.K mentioned that the Feigie movie has been put on hold through a Patreon update two days earlier to the latest episode of the Hot Mike podcast it seems likely that the current workload of Marvel Studios productions which includes 11 announced films, 11 announced shows, and several unannounced film shows television

may be taking priority over a spin-off in another franchise. Figey has been able to multitask before but Marvel has been his priority and then Snyder was talking about, let's see, explain that he expected that this movie will be filming later on this summer and that more news on the Star Wars movies

will be coming soon and through the official outlet of Star Wars Celebration. I don't know. I don't know if it's June. I don't know if it's going to be April. I don't know if it's going to be May. Who knows? I think it's going to be shooting soon, though.

I think it's going to be shooting by summer, and I think we're going to find out a lot at Star Wars Celebration. I think it's where they will reveal the future plans for the next four to five years. Okay. So lots of break down here, and this is something we talked about last week. The 2025 makes a ton of sense in general, and we start because of timing first. Timing when, let's say that they start shooting,

let's say may, right? They start shooting in May. They're done with filming in September, August, September, and then they got to start doing post. So you're looking at if they pushed it out and really, like, got no sleep and marketed it. You could get it out in a year, but why would you do that? So two years, that's part one. Part two is Avatar, Part 3 comes out in 2024.

Why would you want to go up against your own product in Avatar, where you could take a break? Avatar is going to have that two-year break. The next year is 2025, and then you'll get, you're going to have to. If you do in 2025, 2025, 26, 2027, you might have to go head to head at some point with Avatar. But why do it right away if you don't have to? So that all makes sense. The Lindelof part of it all, I think all of us have been saying that one makes the most sense.

The Taika-O-T not movie happening, I think all of us have been, well, you haven't been. But we've all been saying that's not happened. Do you think more and more so that it's going to die now? Yeah, I do. Yeah. You finally come around. It's done. It's done and it should be.

I don't think it's done. It's done. I think that it's... Dead. Done. It's simmering. It's simmering. It's over.

Simmering. Simmering means you're keeping it there ready to serve it up. Any kind of simmer. That thing is... Patty Jenkins's done too, buddy. That's for sure. Oh, yeah. They're both done.

And I want to say this. I'm going to say this. And they're both done because of what's been happening with them and other projects. I think that it. I think that's part of it. If Wonder Woman 1 3 script was gangbusters and W. W.B. loved it.

And Thor, Love and Thunder did gangbusters. Those two would be on the fast track going. I don't... It's how Hollywood works. It's how Hollywood works. And it sucks. It sucks. Because they're great filmmakers.

It's certainly how Kathleen Kennedy works. I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you. She plays in that Hollywood kind of thing because they don't all do that. Like Marvel. Marvel doesn't necessarily do whoever the hot director is coming out. They have their plan. Now, one of the reasons that I think that this also gets scrapped is because I actually

think that they're starting to implement a plan. And I think that part of that plan is what, because they mentioned that Lindelof sat in a room with Faloni. I think that Lindelof is going to be the first guy, because he's not directed at the movie, but I think Lindelof is going to be the first guy outside of, you know, because JJ didn't do this, Ryan Johnson didn't do this,

to sit down with the creative team and go, what can we do to bring the lore together? Dave and John, I know what you guys have been doing. What can we do to really, to, I think Lindelof is going to take that. At least I'm hoping. I 100% disagree with you. Okay. I read, I read, I read Jeff's things, and I hear that.

I hear like, you guys are doing it all over again. You're going to come into celebration. It's London. Everyone's going to be excited. We're going to tell you the three movies that are coming out. Bing, bang, bang. We just had a mess of that. You think it's the same, same old garbage?

That sounds like a mess. And I bet Lindelof came in there's like, I've got a pitch for Star Wars. It's my mystery box thing. I love doing that kind of stuff. This is what I want to do in the Star Wars world. I'm like, that's a great take. Yes. Let's go with it.

I think it's repeating exactly. Like, D.C. love it or hate it. It needed a reset. Whether you love what's going on and hate what's going on. I don't. DC, there's a plan. And I feel whether you hate it, there's a plan.

They're dividing everyone. Yeah. But you could tell it's going forward on a plan. There's a plan. No, this sounds like, Celebration, London. Everyone's excited for London. I'm hearing people talk.

They're like, I can't wait. It's three months away. They're building to this. You're not going to have, you're not going to have me fight you on this because it's hard to. It's hard to. It's hard because is in an unlikely situation? stuff where Mike's wrong here where you know it's not it's it isn't because I you could very well

Lindelof could have this plan and then something happens and they one decide that they're either not going to do this plan or he's not going to be involved in the second movie or the third or or they're going to do something in the vein of avatar this is this is my this is my hope this is my this is what I'm hoping that they do that they finally maybe just me being off the okay but I'm hoping that they just said because of that rumor that they were all sitting in that room. And if they do announce a movie that's 25, 26, 27, and these kind of all play in together. They don't necessarily have to be a trilogy of movies, but they play in somehow and they're telling this cohesive story.

And that to me is it's hope. It's new. It's something different. It's a way to not just throw stuff at the wall and bring in the hot director and do that. But it's not going to surprise me in the least, if you're right. But Steph, where do you stand on all this? I don't think Lindeloff is a hot director. And he's not even directing, yeah.

Yeah, like I think that people like us who live off movies and TV respect and know Lindeloff. I think my parents and my family members have no idea who he is. Even though they've watched his shows. Yeah. So, but I, I will say, I don't think I'm going to fully disagree with Mike, but I do think there's a plan. Yeah, it's just, I do. Yeah, it does. And I think that Mike's in the right headspace to be.

It's like, you know, fool me, fool me, don't get disappointed. Shame on me. I always mess. Pull me towards you. You can't fool me again. But yeah, but, you know, but it is. It's the truth. Full me once, you know, shame on you, fool me, shame on me.

And I think that that's, that's, I don't think Mike is in the wrong for feeling that way, because it just happens all of the time. It just seems. Patty Jenkins again. Tica now. Kevin Feigey, right? It's like, stop announcing stuff. Like the Fige knew it was never going to happen.

Never going to happen only because of how wrapped up he is. And the fact that when Iger came back is like, look, we need to focus on quality, not quantity. We need to pump the brakes and slow this down. So I think he's in charge of that ship doing like a, ooh, let's, because they just announced like three Disney Plus series are now moving later, like Echo and that are going later. So there's a major change. I had heard over at Marvel. I had heard that Echo was having serious problems. I didn't, I had heard it.

I didn't report on it. And then there was a bunch of people that reported on it. I'll say this. I don't believe in that. I mean, I've heard problems with Miss Marvel and Sheealk. Like, oh, it's a mess. Oh, it's a mess. Look what comes out.

They're great. So I kind of, well, hey, teach their own. I'm fine. You know. But I think there's stuff he needs to be hands-on. Miss Marvel was good. Okay. There's stuff that he needs to be hands on.

I think Star Wars is a, he'll do it eventually someday. That's his, that's his, yeah, Fikey. Whatever he wants to come over. He's like, I like to do my Star Wars. I want to run. on Lucasfilm now. They're like, okay, sir. Right, right. So he's fine. That's not happening. Tykes ain't happening. Jenkins

ain't happening. No, it's just stop, but I'm with you. Stop announcing. So you, yeah. But they haven't announced stuff in a long time, you guys. They haven't even announced this really yet. Right. So last our Star Wars celebration that we were at, they didn't announce anything. Right. Movie-wise, right. Movie-wise. Like, they now have

had a few years to kind of make this plan. But they haven't been making it. No, no, no. But you just said, though, the fire is on them now because they cannot, if DC, as you just said, has this plan that's going to start releasing movies, right? Avatar's got movies coming out. Marvel's got a ton.

Star Wars hasn't had a movie since 2019. Oh, I'm sure they have to. That's what I'm saying. The fire is that they can't. You're walking a tightrope. I know, but they can't. There is no, like, and this goes back to the conversation, I feel we have every episode here on this.

And it's like, how long does Kathleen Kennedy A decide she wants to do this? does she is she able to do this? Did they say they want to keep her around? I had this conversation recently. I think that she is going to finish out her contract. We talked about this. Yes, I think she'll finish out our contract. People think she's leaving after Indy.

I think she's leaving after Indy. I mean, a lot of people feel that way. I don't know. Right, but I mean, and here's the thing with that. Another reason why I wouldn't fully disagree with you is because if she, if that movie hits, which I think it will, and it does really, really well, she goes out on the high note, but she also has enough time in that time period to set up. She still get producer credits on the Lindelof movies.

Set all those up. She's still a producer on the movies. Even when they come out, she's not at Lucasfilm anymore. And you walk off going, I got three movies coming out with my name on it. Have fun. Do what you want to do with it. I just produced Indy. Now I'm going to go and run it.

So I could see that happening. But Steph, what does Kathleen Kennedy do? And this is relevant to this conversation. Yeah, I think that she is going to go out after Indy, but I think it's going to be. like this transition of powers because I do think that they're going to come out with like their own version of phase one of this next era of Star Wars and that would be a massive undertaking for her I just don't really see her wanting to helm that yeah just don't see her I just she doesn't it just she got I mean just unless you're an absolute Star Wars fanatic

and ego maniac where you're like I can do this yeah and I want to see this I want to see how to sit to this. I know, guys, we should focus on the Knights of Republic's the way. Right. You have to have that vision. She's not her thing. But also,

you got to take ego out of the equation, I think. As a producer? As a producer. You know, or will she want to like, yeah, the fans wasn't,

wasn't, wasn't what it was supposed to be. I want to knock it out one more time. I want another shot at it. Then that's ego in it. That's what I'm saying. So you've got to take your ego out of it. And she's like,

yeah, this is not really. My heart's not in this. But I don't know. She might, But she also might love, she might also love those other movies. You know, maybe she loves it. Look, I don't know.

Here's the other thing with that. We can always say. Let's get her in here and we'll ask her. I would love to. I would love to. But my thing with her, the other thing you have to realize, even if you don't, we all feel this way, that she should step down eventually. We all feel that way. But nobody can deny.

And then whether or not you like the movies or not, she only has one failure in the theater for Star Wars. Only one. And that's solo. Yeah. That's it. Every. And even then. Right.

Right. It's hard. I mean, I know it was a failure. I know. It's enjoyable. It's enjoyable film. Fine.

But as far as, but what counts when she walks into the board meeting? Yeah, I get you. It's like what... Re-leaning that was a mistake. So it doesn't matter what,

what Grumpy Pants 75 says on, on his YouTube channel about you. It doesn't matter. As long as Bob Iger goes, up, rise the Skywalker, billion dollars. Yeah. I made a billion.

And people will argue, well, yeah, but it hurt the fan. You're not wrong. And I'm telling you as far as, when you're looking to your boss, your boss doesn't care again if Grumpy Pants 75

is making videos about you as long as you're putting money in the bank account. And the shareholders are happy. And I disagree with her approach in the way that she's made all those movies. I think that those movies could have been significantly better. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying that there are two sides

of what you have to look at here. Do I think she's doing a great job as Lucasfilmhead? No, I don't. But I think that she has those wins as far as a billion-dollar movies. I'm going to ask you guys something right now. We talk about the sequels and going forward, sequel trilogy. And the fandom is divided, is divided, especially with like the Rise of Skywalker stuff.

And Last Jedi. Yeah, and Last Jedi. Last Jedi, of course. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And I see that in D.C. There are these Snyder fans that will hold on to that, you know. Star Wars in a very tricky spot going forward with what they do.

Yeah. Do they lean into what is established? You know, because it's not like you can do a reboot of Star Wars. You know, so which way are you? you're going with? Right, right, right. Are you, are you, is, well, I think that's where it's where it's, basically, DC had to go, you know what, we're going to piss people off, but we got to, we got to get rid of Cabo.

Right. No, no, no, you make, you make a good point with you, they can't reboot, but no, but this is what, this is what we talked about last week. This is why you had this uncharted territory of where they're playing now, because they're playing after episode nine. So it's uncharted. The movies are. Yeah.

Are supposed to. That's what they're saying. Yeah. They're saying, we don't know. We don't know. but if they go that route, they're not, they're not going to, I don't, I think that it's, it's, even the rumors that Tyca was doing it, it took place after episode nine. But is it with Ray? Because there's a huge fandom that does not care for that character. Yeah, but if she shows up, but again, that's, I'm just

playing devil's happening. And I understand that it's a fair question, but I think that if she, but I, I think that if she comes back, if she's not the lead character, she shows up, you know, in a, in a, in a story that people love, does it matter? I mean, look, the suicide squad, just compared to suicide squad. There were a lot of great characters in there that were in a crappy movie in the first one. Then they showed up in a great movie. You're like, I don't know.

Like a couple of those characters, I'm like, I don't know if I need to see them again. They were great in the second time around, you know? So, and I don't know, there's going to be, there's a lot at Star Wars celebration. Yeah. I feel like Ray was by far the most cohesive. Yeah, I like her to have the sequel trilogy.

Me too. I would be happy to see Daisy Ridley back. I think that would be. She's a fantastic act. I'd actually want to see Boyega back because, I think he deserves a better, a better arc. Yeah. I would love to see him all back.

Yeah. So either way, that's, so that's Star Wars celebration. I'm so excited. Yeah. All right. So, you know what? We'll do, we'll actually do one more here. And so we'll let Steph go.

Steph, we added the two here, there's really, this is a new project, and that's just talking about old stuff. So what do you, what do you, you can pick? I would love to hear about the new project featuring Dan. Hernandez. Sure. All right. Here's this new project. And again, this is from Star Wars Newsnet, who if you guys don't know already from watching our show or watching Jedi Council, you guys should really go to, should make sure you're always checking out Star Wars Newsnet, our buddy Miguel Fernandez, but it's just an absolutely wonderful site. And they have their own articles, but they

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Ends Monday. To learn more, go to sleepnumber.com. All right, here's the latest story, and this is both Dan Hernandez and Benji Samet are apparently developing an unknown project at Lucasville. All right. So from Grant Davis, shortly after being signed on by Disney for an overall deal with 20th television animation and ABC signature, has been learned that Dan Hernandez and Benji Samet, the writers behind Pokemon Detective Pikachu and Central Park, will be developing at least one unannounced project for Lucasfilm. Per deadline, Hernandez and Sammet's list of upcoming projects

for Disney involved the likes of Walt Disney Pictures and Lucasfilm on top of their existing commitments to 20th TV animation for animated projects in ABC's signature. At this time, there's no word on whether or not their Lucasfilm project will be for theaters, streaming, or network television, as their body work has encompassed all three formats. Furthermore, it's not clear if this new project will be tied to Star Wars or any of the company's other significant IPs,

such as Indiana Jones or Willow. Just as it is not clear whether it will be an animated or live action format, the deal allows a duo to write, produce, and develop a number of projects across various Disney adjacent platforms. Wow. So. Yeah, it's interesting. Steph, you hear about this.

What do you think? Well, I like Detective Pikachu. Yeah, that's good. I heard Central Park is great. I never got a chance to watch it. So, but I wonder, like, those are kind of slug. Lapsdicky both, or at least Detective Pikachu was. So I, I'm excited to see what it would be,

but it's not necessarily like what would get me. Can't wait. Yeah, for Star Wars. Yeah, Mike, do you think, so you hear this, do you think this is a Star Wars project or it could be tied in something else? I don't know, the list of things that they got in development there. It's pretty extensive. I was like trying to list to all those, like, how many were they doing there?

But, you know, I think it's the development process. It's the, hey, we love you guys. So like your work, you got what you got? Right. What fits our thing? And they list a ton of them. And they probably, like any good writer team has a Star Wars pitch. You know, they probably love Star Wars and they had a pitch and that worked.

But, you know, they have their brand. And it seems like what they do is what they do. I don't know. It might not be for me. But hey, I don't know who they are and I don't know a lot of their work. So I could go in with fresh eyes, not expecting anything. Right. I think it's an animated project.

Yeah. Okay. And I don't think it's Star Wars. I actually think it would benefit Lucasfilm for it to not be Star Wars. I think Lucasfilm needs to start pushing their chest out a little bit and go, we do more than just Star Wars. We've got Indiana Jones coming out. Do an Indiana Jones show.

Do an Indiana Jones animated show. Oh, that's awesome. Do a young Indiana. You can get Jamie Costa to do the voice and get Anthony Yeruber to do the voice. You could do, I mean, why not? Do a young Indiana Jones animated series. That'd be great. And have these guys do that.

That's cool. Or do something else. Do something brand new. Yeah, why not? Spin something off and do a Lucasfilm project. Because why do you need to do just another Star Wars thing? Will it work? If it's a Star Wars thing, would I be excited about it?

Of course. But I don't think it's necessary right now, especially with all the Star Wars stuff that we have coming out at the moment because we know in 2023 alone, Skeleton Crew? Yeah. Indy?

No, no. Just Star Wars. Skeleton crew, Osoka, Mandelorian. That's the three big shows, and they all play in the same. You talk about a plan, that's the big plan. All three of them link in together. And Mando's first, right?

Mando's first on March 1st. Yes. Oh, my God, so soon. So soon. I know. Asoka hasn't been announced yet. We said we thought August. That sounds about right.

Skeleton crew Christmasy. That sounds about right. And then because Skeleton crew will probably lead into 2024. And then that gets into Ackleye. 2024. Oh, it is. Ander's going to be early 2024. I guess that means that.

And then Acolyte will be 2024 and then whatever. There probably be one more show. I know. It's right on the corner. The past month for me would just work in the holidays has just been a blur. That's why I. March? March is insane for everything between movie release.

Yeah, it's great. Movie release, it's all that, yeah. I have a question for y'all. So you just brought up, like, you think it'd benefit Lucasfilm to do more shows outside of Star Wars. But when we're talking about Kathleen Kennedy, I'm wondering, like, do you think that there should be two different positions then, like someone who helms Star Wars and someone who does the rest of Lucasville?

Now, when you say him does you mean directing Star Wars? Or who's leading it? We're leading it. It's something I've been thinking forever that Lucasfilm should be, there should be the one person ahead of it going, okay, I need somebody to really take the charge on Star Wars. I need somebody to take the charge over there. And then what do you, like essentially the Iger or Zazlov of Lucasfilm saying,

okay, I got a report to Iger. So here's what I want you to do. Okay, so you want to do this show about what the hell is it called, the old republic? What is that? Well, it's this, this, this is this. You think it's going to work? Yeah, okay, you're my Star Wars people. You really think this is going to work.

are going to dig with it. I trust you. Go. Not, oh, you know who should get? We should get this person because that person just has a hit show. Stop that. Have a plan and do it. And then also have like the people that you know are going to be in charge of it. Do your Star Wars. And say, okay, we got this. We have indie. We have this. And put it all together in a mix.

How you guys said that right now? Do you think Kennedy's been like trying to like get favorable and hey, please just take over all Star Wars and like, nah, no, no. She's like, come on. Guys, please. Help me out here. No, nah, no. We're just like doing our TV thing. I'm going to know. No, I, I unfortunately think it's the opposite of that. I think that she's given them a big piece, a big piece. But it's not all of it. Right. They don't run all TV. They run a part that's going to eventually, hopefully lead to this whole Thrawn big mega event, which is going to be fantastic.

And that's why skeleton crew, but skeleton crew, Mandalorian, Asoka, they all fit into the same thing. And then you're going to have these side adventures, whether it's the acolyte and or all those. But just imagine in the MCU, you got what's going on. So they're building to the Cane, Dynasty or whatever. And you had a couple of guys on the side, you're building to the Young Avengers. That it wasn't even happening. I know, it wouldn't work.

No. If you had these couple guys that we, all of the young characters being introduced and all these things, but we're going to take them and go into this movie on the Avengers and you're doing Kang Dynasty. No. It's the same argument why I think that it's that old school kind of Hollywood mentality of the way she runs stuff.

So I think this year's going to be very interesting. All right. Talking about questions. A lot of questions on the table. Well, we're going to ask your questions now. You guys have submitted a bunch of them. so we're going to ask them, and here we go. Julian Alia, it has been rumored that Hayden Christensen will return in Asoka.

Do you think he is in the series, and do you think it would make sense for him to return as a forced ghost and talk to his apprentice? So I do think he's going to be in the series, because I think him and Rosario Dawson are tight. I think that'll happen. So rumors are that it's more flashback stuff, or even alternate reality type stuff of visions and that kind of thing,

which would be interesting. but I don't know how true those rumors are or not. That would be interesting to see, but I always thought it would be Force Ghost. I always thought that she'd be able to connect with him and talk to him, but I don't know. Steph, where do you stand on it? I would love to see Force Ghost.

Yeah. Because where we left off in... Jedi? Yeah, in Clone Wars, and then even in Rebels, like, there's just so much that... I just think the fans would lose their minds, They see Asoka and him being able to connect on that level. What do you think?

I don't know. I'm torn. I don't know. Where would you want to see him? I kind of want to see flashbacks. Like, a little more than we got in Obi-Wi-W-1. We didn't get the ones we got in Oberlin that we wanted.

Yeah. You know, I want to see them fighting, you know, creatures and stuff and getting, building that dynamic, you know, I'd love to see that. And I was so baffled why they didn't use the, they just had used this great de-aging stuff. And I just, even when you watch, like, the Marvel stuff with how they deal with Michael Douglas. You don't have to barely do anything for Hayden Christians.

He looked like he was 40 years old in those scenes. I was like, what are you doing? Like, de-age him a little bit. How hard could that be? I hope that they do that if they do those scenes. But one of the things I wanted to clarify, by the way, was someone was talking about when it came to Asoka. I had said, and still, like, it was like,

the scene that happens in that in the Mandalorian, when she is talking to, when she gets, where's Thrawn, where's your boss? Yeah. So that takes place before the end of rebels. And people like, no, no, no, no it doesn't. Rebels takes place before Jedi. No, if you watch the last bit of rebels,

the last part of rebels, when you find out Hera had a baby, when you find out all these things, that takes place after Jedi. And it takes place after Jedi, and when Asoka comes in to find Sabine, she says, hey, I know where this guy is, let's go get him.

That's where it all matches up. People kept saying, well, no, no, no, no. You're wrong in the rebels timeline. No, the end of Rebels, the last season of Rebels, that very end of it happens after Jedi. It's a time jump. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of, I mean, I can't even tell you how many people kept saying like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Rebels doesn't take place at that time. It's like, yes, it does. Yeah. But Hayden's showing up in this thing, I think, is, what are we, percentage-wise?

Let's start from there. 95. 95. No, I was going to say that. I think it's 100%. You think 100. Yeah, because, like, she's the worst and best at keeping secret. You know, like, she's like, no, it snips.

Like, yeah, y'all have been, like, talking. You're working together. And she already, and she also revealed that Lars Miggelson was thrown. Right, right, yeah. It's the best. She's the best. She's the Mark Ruffalo of Star Wars. Or Tom or Tom Holland, right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would go 90%. I would 90% on, on Aiden. All right, here's the. Here's the next one. Jesse Young. After listening to your show with Roka and Dan, you spoke about how James Cameron just knows his audience

can really bring out the best in film and how they are received. Personally, I love a James Cameron Star Wars movie. What would you think if Lucasfilm gave him a shot of the franchise after his Avatar film is finishing up? Well, there's a lot to that. The first part of it is those movies aren't finishing up for another eight or nine years,

and he's already in the 70s, right? So if he wants to continue to do that, The other reason why I don't think Cameron should touch Star Wars, Terminator, Abyss, True Lies, Avatar, they're all his movies. All movies that he wrote. Original characters. And he's, and that is really weird. Outside of, I mean, I'm not saying.

Outside of aliens is, I didn't mention that one, but aliens was, was not saying he doesn't do that, but he hasn't done it in a long time. No, it's his, Titanic. Right. It's his thing. Right. So I think, and even though Titanic was based off really, events, but it was his original story that he came up with.

So I don't think it's something that he's really looking to do in this point of his career of taking on other franchises. I think he wants to take his avatar thing and he wants to go roll around a bet of cash. You know, I'm like one of the biggest Avatar fans out there. Yeah. I would not care to see a Star Wars film by him. I mean, look, if he did it, of course, but it's just like, I would not, like, that's not the magic of James Cameron to me.

Right. He did Star, he did a Star Wars. Avatar. It says Avatar. That's his Star Wars. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is his Star Wars. Yeah, and I just don't think, I just don't think it's, it's something that, if he was 50 years old, I would go, maybe, maybe he finishes this thing up,

and they give him, like, because I thought there was a rumor that Marvel wanted him or something to. It's like, let him finish out Avatar, and then he goes off into the sun. I do find it interesting, like early in his, not early in his career, right after, had been after aliens, he was, his Spider-Man was going to go. Right, right, right, right. Spider-Man, it just, scripts it out there. I did. I think at this point,

like if he asked for a Marvelous net, I think he'd create his own superhero. So I'm saying he was in his 50s, during that was the 90s, right? He was 40s and 50s. So, and that's the other thing. Like there's, I think this, Avatar 2 is going to make $2 billion.

It's already like 1.8 or something, right? It's going to make $2 billion. So there's only, I think, what, three or four movies, maybe five movies that have ever made $2 billion? He's got three of them. Yeah. So what does he need to do anything?

What does he need to do anything else? It doesn't need to do Star Wars. But it would it be interesting. Would I be opposed to it? Of course not. But yeah, I just don't see that ever happening. Okay, next one. Lucas Romero. How will Sam Whitwer finally get his live action debut if he ever does?

How would you want him used? Jedi, Sith, or something entirely different? This question I love so much because it's so bizarre that he hasn't been in Star Wars so far. Live action. I mean, you could say Darth Mall and solo. Let me ask you this. Outside of Darth Mall. Because of his video game,

Forrestleashed and his character, he's established, his look is established in Star Wars. To who? Whether it's canon or what. To who? It's just out there. And I say this as a person in the industry, I think they look at that and go,

well, he's the face of this video game character. Or get given a new face. Who's going to say that? Who's just, Kathleen Kennedy? Come on. Then why hasn't he? He's not. Everyone loves him.

Then why hasn't he? I don't know. And it's not because of a star killer, though, man. There's no chance it's because of a star killer. It's like, but I'm baffled that Philom He hasn't put him in anything yet. Because he's Star Killer. Nah.

He'll put, now, now hear me out. I hear Star Killer coming into the stuff and getting that character being in live acting. How? 100% see that happening. Really? Yeah. If they're bringing, we're in somewhere, Star Killer. He would bring Star Killer.

You hear the talk, if you want Star Killer. Dude, I would love if they could figure out a force-unished way to do it. I mean, they have to change things up with the way they were already established stuff. And now the way that they kind of played with the Obi-W-W-W-W-W-N stuff. But I don't know, because him and Flonney are so tight. He's put him in so many different things. He's voiced the emperor. He voiced the mall.

He's done all this. So where's he going to go? How come he hasn't been in it yet? I don't know. I feel like he's built for it. He's like really tall and like looks like a villain. I think he would be a great live action sit. Yeah.

Okay. So Mandelorine, season three or season one shows up. Hey, we got this young kind of hot shot bounty hunter, the one episode. Hey, what about Whitwear? Bring him in there. He gets cast in the role. And it was like, well, and the fan. who is the major audience of the mainlanders like it's Star Killer.

I can't see outside of Star Killer. That, dude, it isn't bullshit. No. I'm sorry. I'm speaking from an acting perspective point of view, from casting point of view, from producing point of view. I think that there's not, there are a lot of video game fans and there's a lot of fans of that character,

but not as many to, I mean, look at, I mean, what I do think, depending on how they establish, it will be the same kind of Andy Circus thing. Like, is it StarCiller? Right. That will happen. Right. Because, like, Andy Circus, is it Snoke?

Is it Snoke? Yes. But it's like, no, once they establish right off the bat, it's not Star Killer. He's playing this other character. Okay. Yeah, they could cast him in something. I think that they should. And the other thing they could do is they could cast him as an alien.

That's true. Yes, that's a hundred percent. I just don't understand why he hasn't been in anything yet because him, like I said, him and Phelonia are really tight. I'm very, I'm very, very curious. Because it's not like he's not, he's primarily just a voice actor. He's, he's been in tons of live actors. Yeah. I feel like he could have been Jude Law's character.

and skeleton crew. Yeah, and they wanted to go with like a big, like a big name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't agree with that. You don't agree. I think just the roguishness that Jude Law brings to a character

that I feel that Skelet Group just with little we know, Whitwer has a very, like you said, you want to, you're like, he's a Sith, instantly, because his look is so, he's got such a striking look, Sam Whitwer. Yeah. It's a very, you know, whether you trust him

when you see him, he definitely errs in the side of evil. characters. Yeah, yeah, but, well, I don't know. Well, you're going to find out. Accolite would be amazing, but that's not phloony, though. It's still better, but who cares, right? Who cares? Okay, thank you, Lucas. All right. Gareth, William, Bain or Palpatine, our origin series, Bane, all day long. For sure. All day long, because I'm, I'm going to keep putting it out in the universe. Not that it'll ever happen, but I'm going to do it anytime this comes up, I am going to pray that what happens is, whether it's movies or TV, that they really approach this like Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon, Rome,

any of these shows, they set up the old republic in whatever it was with the beginning of the Sith and the Jedi, and then they stretch that out forever long that they can, and then that then starts to transfer over into the Knights of the Republic, which then plays a bunch of seasons out, which eventually leads to Darth Bean, creating the rule of two, which eventually then leads to, you know, Palpatine and Plagueis and all that. And you just do this full-on epic

seven, eight seasons with movies. You got material for years. And I would love to see that happen. It never will, but I'm always going to put it out there. Steph, Bain or Palpatine, you're going Bain. Bain, I'm not palpitined out,

but we've gotten a lot of Palpatine and we are going to continue to. I need a net. I need a bad batch. Yeah. Yeah. Nepo. What do you think, buddy?

Bain. Yeah, and I just think it's interesting, it's different, and it doesn't play in the same place. I love Palpatine. Palpatine's only my favorite character. I've got enough home already. There's so much to explore. There's so much to explore and so much new stuff you can do

and not have people going, oh, because that's the problem when you start playing with legacy characters. It's like, oh, wait, that's why they're doing that. That's why they're doing that instead, as opposed to who is this guy? Yeah. Who's this person? Yeah. Okay. Let's get moving.

Russell, Meathie Man. With the critical acclaim that Andor received for its writing, do you think the likes of Favreau, Fuloni, et cetera, looked at the quality and were inspired to up their game for future shows.

It's tricky because I think it goes back to what Mike was talking about before with ego, right? They might not think, and I have no information on this whatsoever, this is just hearsay, but who knows if Fuloney and Favreau feel

that Gilroy's show is good? Who knows if they, if they maybe Flonny thinks that that's not traditional Star Wars, that he was trained in the arts, He was trained by George Lucas. He thinks, you know, and rightfully so, that he knows Star Wars, maybe only one knows it better than him is Lucas.

Yeah. So maybe not, not necessarily. And I think that we'll find out with Assook. There's reports, by the way, that I saw, and I didn't pull this on the studios, but there's rumors. We don't know how true it is that there's problems, there were problems on the Mandalorian and, is it Acolyte? I don't remember which said it was.

Or maybe it was Andor, they said, but they said there's no problems on that. Asoka. I can't remember someone sent me this on Twitter, but again, I don't know how true or not it is. But if you look at this stuff, do you think that they look and they go,

wow, people really are critically appraising this? Should we put a little bit more not go as kitty? Because Lucas always said, Star Wars is for kids. And maybe Flonie had that as well. I think the best creators obviously get inspired by the best creators, but it makes me think about comedy. It's like when you see someone's comedy set, that's excellent.

You're not going to change your bit to sound like them. Because the best, it's not your voice. You have to be original and true to who you are. And the Mandalorian slaps. Like, it's one of our favorite shows ever. So I don't think that they would change anything, but I think they might be like, okay, I think that, like, let's step it up in our voice even more if we can.

If they do new shows, maybe, yeah. Yeah. But I don't think it's like taking that because it's already established its tone. My fix one ain't broke. Mike? Right. That's great. Curri-analogy stuff.

I think, yeah, who knows? I think they probably, like, it's a great show. Well-done theatrical or TV show. It's just not the kind of thing we want to do. All right, let's do a couple more here. All right, moving down. All right, Weeny Hut. 9-842.

With recent rumors about Disney doing more sequel trilogy stuff, do you think that'll be the make or break for a lot of people, or do you think it could save Star Wars and theaters if it's good enough. So we don't necessarily know if it's a brand new sequel trilogy or if it's a sequel trilogy or not. I mean, look, from that report, though,

when you hear 25, 26, 27, you think maybe, as I mentioned this earlier, in an avatar thing, if they're gonna, if they're gonna do it and this would maybe make you feel like, oh, wait, they do have a plan. If they decide that they're gonna shoot all three of them, like they start shooting in April

and then they're done in like a year and a half, a year or whatever it is because they shot all three? Maybe. then that's because then you do like Lord of the Rings where it comes out once a year. If they do something like that, that would be interesting.

I don't think they're going to, they would have to do that if they're going to release a trilogy, 25, 26, 27. I just think they're going to have, I think that they have movies that are lined up that people are going to do, they're going to announce them 25, a year of piece is tough, though.

I'm saying. It's tough. It is. I think you just release. I just, I think you just. With the shows, right? Like we have all the shows too.

Shows, yeah. But I think the movies, You just, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, cited more with Mike on this one. I think you just go, all right, Star Wars Celebration. Lindeloff's just started shooting his movie. It's called this. It stars this person. It's going to be about this.

And it comes out in 2025, on to the next thing. Here we go. We have this show coming out. Don't mention 26, 27, unless you say, we just, Damon Lindeloff is writing this. So-and-so is directing the first one. We're shooting all three. Okay. Starting now.

Then you'd be like, whoa, they're shooting all three movies right now. That's crazy. And you think in two, three months' time, this man's writing a trilogy of films. I know. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, do I think that's going to happen? Do I think it is happening? No.

No, I don't. If it's like a Gilroy situation where he wrote season one, he had the concept for season two, and then was finishing writing it as they were producing. And then it has it all ready to go. Yeah, look, I wrote these. I wrote these. I'll eat my words. There's none of us on this table are predicting that.

No, no. I'm just saying that's possible. Yeah, that would just make the most sense if they were going to say, if you're like, okay, plan-wise. But to say like, oh, yeah, we have this movie. Like to put out three movies in 25, 26, 27, I don't know, man. I think they, if they have a plan to make a trilogy with Lindelaw, please, please have the plan of the trilogy before you make the first one. That's what I don't want them to do again.

Yeah. They do the first one. They go, look, all we need to do is get that first movie out, and then we'll figure out where the other two go. No, that's what you last time. And it failed miserably. Don't do that. Yes.

Our two more questions, and let's call it a day. All right. Jackson Birch, 4914. What would you want the rumored sequel trilogy film to be about? Also, if the rumors on Kathleen are true, do you think that every Star Wars film in development will be scrapped? Well, the first part of that is if she winds up leaving in December, That's why I'm saying.

I think she sticks around until 2025. I think she's there until the movie gets all the, because of that very reason. I think those movies are going to be put into production in by the, so she can then say, all right, all my movies are happening. I'm going to get my producer credits.

I'm going to get my points. I'm out. Yeah. As opposed to that very thing. She can, Indy gets made, she leaves, and then they decide,

you know, the production's not going well. We don't like this plan anymore. We're scrapping it. And she don't see, is. So I think it's more likely she sticks out the plan And I think that once she's gone

And yeah the whole the whole regime changes I think that whole place will be Developed and changed very different And they have they Unless they put someone else in who just doesn't get Star Wars Yeah Yeah I think that she's gonna I have this weird feeling that just came about today

I feel like there's someone that they're like bringing in right now Grooming Yeah, and then she has a plan to leave, but their plan has been instilled so it's not like what happened with D.C. where they're like, oh, no, no, no, we're coming in and we have to scratch everything that was kind of already in place. Well, sir. I don't know. I'm, yeah, I'm, I do think Kennedy's done after Indy, but now with this kind of momentum behind this three talk, maybe. I know.

It's going to be right. Last question here. Last one. Last one. And we will bring it up from. Shelby, hi Shelby. Hey, Shelby, Shelby 3372, do you think the success, Shelby 3372, do you think the success of and or an overall stellar quality of the show,

as well as the Gigi nomination for Diego Luna, is a sign that Star Wars, like Marvel, is going to start getting more recognition at these big award shows. Could there ever be a big, be a world where a Star Wars film could win Best Picture? Winning Best Picture is going to be tough, even if you have a great, great movie. Yeah, it's, it's, I think that there's... The Academy has to change. Yeah, the Academy has to change in general.

And I think that, you know, being recognized in like, you know, Golden Globes and Emmys and those type and critics of choices is, it's necessarily not easy, but it's easier than, say, Academy Award nominations and a win because. I don't think that that's what it's there for. No, but I mean, I know, but I kind of wish it was, though. I think it starts a need to be if they want people to start watching their shows. That's true. Like, I do think it needs, like, we are saying, the fans of these movies are like, this is what we want. Right. This is why we go to the theaters for Marvel and Star Wars.

Not just that. There's obviously the Top Guns, but when you think about Top Gun, like people were, like, thinking that should get nominated for the best picture. And that's probably not going to happen. It will. It will get nominated. It won't win. Well, that will be a good step in that direction then.

Yes, but I think of what I just said. I think one of the main reasons it'll get nominated not only because it's a good movie, but I think because they want people to watch their show. Okay. And, you know, when you're nominating like Babylon and the Whale, I'm not saying that these movies aren't good, but most people, casual fans, aren't running out to see those movies in the theater.

They're going to see the op-gun. They're going to see these movies that are making the money in the theater, and that's what they should start paying more attention to. But there hasn't been a Star Wars movie that I think should have been nominated for Best Picture since Empire Strikes Back, in my opinion. No.

And it didn't even win. I don't know what won in 1980. But I don't even think it was nominated. But that movie should have been. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But either way, either way, I think that it won't happen.

But what I do think is that what it will show is that with better writing and with more quality and care and not just the big pew-pue, you know, battles thing, you can achieve critical acclaim inside of this. And you can make it like and or was a show that no one on this table thought could be a critically acclaimed darling. Right. Right. But it's because of the detail and the care that was brought into by every actor involved, by the writers, by the directors. You do that to any good, anything that you put on paper and you really put the effort to. What Steph was just saying, if there's a plan and an idea of where you want to go and an understanding on the page that we need to start at A and get to Z. And how are we going to get there in between and what do we fill in?

You do that. You can have stuff that people love, people get emotional about, and that people want to nominate for a week. Yes, yeah, exactly. I really do think that the award shows needs to do that. Like, to your point, they do need to change if they want their shows to still exist. And it's important. I always say this. It's like, people are like, I don't care about if movies win awards.

But it's like, but what about when in 20 years kids are going to be looking at what won the awards? I only watch movies from the 80s and the 70s that won awards because I can't sift through everything that went out. Is it on lists? Yeah. on these things, yeah. It's an important map for our culture. Yeah, it is. I mean, it'll let you know what the movies people were talking about at the time.

But it also, what I was talking about similar before was that when something like Andor, it starts to put it in the conversation more. And when it starts getting nominated and it's in these things and it's in Critics Choice Awards and the names pop up and it pops up in Twitter. It pops up in all these different places on news articles on Google. And then if you're a casual person, you see and scrolling and you see, oh, what's this? I keep seeing this Andorth thing around. Like I can't even tell you how many people were like,

I wasn't really into a lot of the other Star Wars things, but I keep hearing this ander thing, is it good? And I'm like, it's phenomenal. And just casual fans of Star Wars, tune into this thing and wind up like really enjoying it. So that's why people were like, oh, it didn't do all the ratings. It's not movies.

Movies, once they're out of the theater and you don't go and see those tickets, then you just got to hope people start, look at Black Adam. Black Adam was toast after certain, amount of weeks and then to try to make some money on on demand and that's it that's how it works with streaming you have it you know so you could the ratings could get better in five years from now yeah like look at something like you know when Battlestar galactica sure was off the air people

still watching it friends people still watch friends the ratings on friends are still good friends have been off the air for like 15 years yeah so it's like that's it doesn't work that way with tv it's like people always because they're movie fans that's what they do and you can't do that um all right we have a lot that was a lot that was it so what do you guys think. We're approaching that, as Mike said, right around the corner from Mandalorian, man. Right on the corner, we're only a month and a half away. And we'll be covering that in depth, but we're going to still be doing bad batch. We'll be watching a Michael watched episode. Don't you worry. Don't you worry. Don't worry. But make sure you comment. You see that?

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