The Kristian Harloff Show - THUNDERBOLTS* Review / Live Discussion

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

🔥 Welcome to The Kristian Harloff Show presents Capes and Cowls! 🔥 Today we're diving deep into our THUNDERBOLTS* review and live discussion — breaking down everything from the story, cast performances, surprises, and where it fits in the future of the MCU. Is Thunderbolts* a worthy addition to Marvel Phase 5? How do the returning characters like Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, and Red Guardian hold up? What's the tone of this film compared to other Marvel team-ups? We're giving our honest Thunderbolts movie review and opening the floor for a full Thunderbolts* live reaction and debate. 💥 Whether you're here for the action, character arcs, or big Marvel twists, we've got you covered with hot takes, speculation, and audience Q&A. Keywords included: thunderbolts*, thunderbolts review, thunderbolts reaction, thunderbolts live discussion, marvel studios, mcu, thunderbolts movie, marvel phase 5, marvel live, thunderbolts post credit scene, yelena belova, red guardian, bucky barnes, thunderbolts mcu, thunderbolts trailer, marvel discussion, capes and cowls, kristian harloff show 👇 Drop your thoughts in the comments and join the conversation! 🔔 Don't forget to like, subscribe, and turn on notifications so you never miss a Marvel breakdown or live event from Capes and Cowls. #Thunderbolts #MarvelStudios #CapesAndCowls STITCH FIX: Make style easy—get started today at https://www.StitchFix.com/KHS  

The Thunderbolt is out in theaters and people are digging it. All three of us on the show today have seen it. We will not be doing a spoiler review. We contemplated it, but we realize people just haven't seen it yet. We got to give it some time before we do a spoiler review, but we will be doing a non-spoiler discussion about our thoughts, what we think can happen moving forward.

And just again, just overall, we'll go box office. We'll talk about what we liked about it, what we didn't like about it. And we will discuss. Jeremy Renner said he ain't coming back to Hawkeye. Not because he doesn't like the character because they said, hey, he said, just give me the same thing you did last time. And they said, no, we'll give you half. And he said, uh, go after yourself.

And that's pretty much he said it nicer than that. But that's what I would have said. Anyway, we have that. And this DC stuff that we talked about with, we haven't really discussed it yet. So we will, the guys about Sergeant Rock. But then the other thing is that apparently Mike Flanagan's not. going to be a writer anymore on clayface uh that's interesting what's that mean so that and a lot more on the show today it's myself winston a marshal and coy jondro let's get into it everybody

it's the show it's christendr's show it's capes and cows here we go welcome back ladies and gentlemen to the show it is it is the winston humming show it is christian harlop Coy John Drow, Winston A. Marshall. It is Cates and Cows. And I'm glad that you can join us today. And I'm also glad that Winston A. Marshall can join us today. And Coy, John Drow is here. Oh, oh, oh, look at me. I went to the premiere. I got a T-shirt. Is that where you got the shirt? Actually, I got the shirt at the video screening yesterday. Oh, nice. I've seen it twice. It's a good, it's a good shirt. I like it's actually like stitched well. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's that premiere stitching.

it wasn't a premiere. You just said it wasn't a premiere. No, no, but I mean like I met premieres and like high quality. Oh, I got it. Yeah, when they handed it to me and it felt like I bought it. I was like, oh, thanks. Nice. That's nice.

We are going to discuss it because we were all curious about it. We've been saying on this show that we think it has the potential to be the best Marvel movie as far as quality this year. And so far, I think we're right. One out of, two out of three. And it's definitely the best out of the, two that have come out thus far. And I am assuming, because I've seen both your social post and everything to Winston

texts last night into the group that you guys are digging as much as I am. And I think Coy has pretty much just said it because he saw it twice already. Winston, let's start with you, man. What your overall thoughts in the movie and what were your expectations kind of going in? Yeah, I mean, I have said this for a while now that this was the one that I was the most excited about amongst the three. and I even said that at this point, it went Thunderbolt Superman Fantastic Four,

and so far it's lived up to my expectations. There was just thematically a lot of talk about mental health stuff, which I thought was just a really powerful way to go, considering where the world is right now. The acting was completely just where you would want something like that. And honestly, the vibes that the movie gave me, It gave me the same feelings that I got watching a bunch of A-holes that have no reason to be together, come together like Guardians. It really felt like I was transported back to Guardians, but like doing its own thing.

Like, let me make it very clear. This is not a carbon copy of that at all, but a similar vibe of people that have no business together figuring it out. And I really, really enjoyed the ride that they took a song. Yeah, I agree with that, Quay. I think that the difference, obviously, is Winston was saying with the, the, the, The point you made about why it's similar to Guardians is that it's the cast of characters that shouldn't be together. But the tone is significantly different. Yes.

I actually really, that's what I liked about it. I liked how it was more in tone, the tone with like, I think, Captain America Winter Soldier than it was anything else. Because like there are some moments. Like everybody has comedic moments in a way, but it wasn't like the guardians of the two problems I had where everybody had a joke. It was more so like, no, it was real people in certain scenarios that could be funny no matter what it was. was. So what did you think of the overall tone? What were your thoughts? I haven't really talked to yet about it. For me, it definitely felt, and I know people use Winter Soldier as the bar for good reason, because I think it's one of the best MCU. I think it's one of the best comic movies ever made. But this to me finally felt like they found that sweet spot where I think that comic book movies are best when they have something to say and when they have something that is kind of introspective. Like when you look inward, that's what I like these stories for is like you're more. and your ethics and who you are.

And I think Iron Man is a great example of like, oh, he's at a crossroads and he's inverting his life. And that's what Iron Man represents. And Winter Soldier is similar, where it's a man who is dedicated himself to a country and he's not trusting when that country's doing. And to me, this tone is much in that vein of like a looking inward and trying to figure out a big life change and sort your stuff out.

But with some of the guardians, you know, disjointed, you know, disparate parts elements of the team. So the reason this is in my upper echelon of Marble, Marvel is it's hitting the beats that I love that Marvel does, but in all new ways. And I think even its use of Century and its ability to navigate that very strong tone never hinders the action or the comedy or the drama, but it adds to it. Like the heart of this film is so strong. It's super strong. I think that that, and as Winston mentioned beforehand too, I think that tackling mental health, tackling these things.

And it was, again, not preachy, but because it was relevant to what was going on in general and the things. and I said that there's an aspect of it again we're not doing spoilers today we'll we'll have a spoiler discussion I'll probably have a spoiler discussion with Roka as well but I think that again not giving spoilers there's and I said that there's a portion of this movie that actually reminds me

of inception in a little bit and it is and I think it's it's the way that it is handled the way that they play it I also think that Lewis Pullman was really really good as Bob for what he did in general with this role

And I think that you have to stand out and you also have to make this work. Because is it pretty much clear to most people know the role that he's playing in this? Yeah. I mean, it was announced that both Bob or Robert being, you know, the alter name of the character. But yes, that was the big thing because remember, Stephen Ewan was playing this character previously. Right. And it was very clear that he was going to be sentry and people had this whole thing about it and blah, blah, blah. And that's what I'm with, because I was supposed to actually speak to him last week and it just didn't work out of it.

Now it's probably going to happen next week, we think. But I wonder how that, like what that pressure is like, right? You know, you know, Stephen Yun is going to be in this movie because he had worked previously with the director on beef. You know, they had that relationship. He's coming in to do it. And then for whatever reason, whether it's fan stuff or strikes or whatever it was, he leaves the project. and like is there a hesitation there for him to take it in the first place and and then what does he bring into that role i'm so curious to to talk to him about it because i think he brought i think he really elevated it and i think this is kind of his he's

been great and everything he's been in but i think this is his he had the most to do in this than he has previously boy yeah i think that the role is a very strong showcase of his versatility i think it's also like so much of exposed heart like there has to be such a vulnerability to that role There has to be so much emotion on the surface. And he also can't get annoying because there's such an anchor to it. Shameless name drop. I talked to him at the premiere, and I thanked him for what he brought to a character that I don't actually enjoy all the time in the comic books.

I think at times the character is really thinly written. I think it's at times very surface level and used in a way that's just like a big gun. And I told him as much of the premiere, and we had a decently long conversation about the comics and what he wanted to bring and why it was important for him as a comic fan. He nerded out about being in the MCU. He was so proud of being part of Marvel and being something representing mental health. And I think that's really beautiful to have that conversation in a movie like this. And it was a really cool talk to see that he's such a geek that cared so much about people. He's like, no, no, you're the person that I needed to make sure like this,

you comic fans. And he kept mentioning that, like, comic fans are the hardest to get like on the side of like, we did it. But yeah, he was just so lovely. And it was really, nice to see that he was as kind and sweet as you'd want someone to be that's in this position of movie stardom uh great too i'm looking forward to talking to him i didn't realize he didn't start considering you know who his dad is i he didn't start acting until he was like uh into like twenty seventeen or something which is crazy like i i thought i thought you know he because obviously you get your pops who was uh he's a president independence day man yeah he was in the premier too his dad and like when do you like walk by i was like mr president yeah

like right who does that the question i'm going to ask and i'm sure he's been already asked a million times over is have you already tried to get him into the mcc i dude like the fact that why i asked wyatt russell about his dad and his relationship within the mc u because i've always wondered like did because kurt russell plays the dad of the universe like ego is such a dad role so i'm like i hate when kids have to talk about their parents ever but i was like i'm going to talk to white Russell. I got to ask. And it was really funny that I was like, wait a second. Is anyone trying to get Bill also? That's what, that's my

into that. I'm going to say, you know, Wyatt and, and, uh, Kurt have both been in the MCU. Are we getting, you know, Louisville? Maybe we still are, but I would not be surprised if like that he was originally in contention to, to replace William Hurt and, and play the president again. And then they were like, Harrison Ford also wants to do it and they were like,

Why is the most for you, Bill? But he also probably would be like, I don't want to play the president again. I did that. But either way, I think it leads in to the two scenes. There's a great first post-credit scene that adds to the movie itself. But the second one is the one. And it's funny because I said, we're talking about off-air. But when I saw it, I looked at the scene and I go, that definitely was not filmed by the same director.

That to me feels in the same way, that when in Ant Man 2 was it Amman 2 or M 1 I think it was AM 1 1 1 The NAM 1 when they When both Falcon and Cap

Have Bucky and they're Have him chain up to that boiler or whatever the hell it is And they're talking to him like that scene does not look like it's part of Ant Man out's from another movie and it was indeed from Civil War This is the same thing and the director confirmed as much He said it might be from another movie that's filming soon is my is my I don't know if I'm going

very all but actually right now but I thought the Antman one was the one where he's in the van they like kidnap him and then they open up the door and they're just like oh Mr. Captain sir I thought that was that post credit

that's Civil War I know that that is showing Civil War but I thought that that post credit is at the end of Ant Man that's not a post credit scene maybe I'm losing my mind I would have sworn to God that that was one of the post credit scenes but maybe a year ago i would probably be i would i wouldn't be as feet into match i just no i know that's why i was like i'm i'm very close to just shedding the f up but yeah no it wasn't it was it was that one um but i am uh someone said you're losing your

mind winson he's losing his mind that's not i'm reaping all the benefits um but as far as performances go i thought their chemistry which is the most important thing about this the chemistry is key and i've said this throughout the week. I'm sure you guys are going to agree that I think that Winston, you remember how upset both of us were when we saw the second Doctor Strange movie and Kevin Faii goes, no, you don't need to see Wanda Vision. You're going to be all right. You're like, what are you talking about? I hope he doesn't tell anybody. You don't need to see Black Widow. Of course you have to see Black Widow. You a thousand percent have to see Black Widow.

Black Widow and I think like Falcon and Winter Soldier, if you want to be as connected to Walker, you do. But Yelena is the main character. And you and like people are a hawkeye. Not as much. I don't think you, because she's in Hawkeye. Oh, I see.

Yeah, she's in Hawkeye. Oh, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

you, you, you, you, because that's how we, because if I, if I remember, well,

wait a minute. She talks, she talks to Valentin at the end of, at the end of Black Widow. I don't, she, okay, yep,

you're right. Yeah, Black Widow is the main thing you think secondary would be Falcon Winter Soldier. And I love that they're bringing in elements of the shows into the movies that finally feel important now. Yeah. So much that she has a big role in Hawkeye. She does, but it's not relevant to Thunderbolt. The role, you are not, you will not be, you will not be lost if you don't see.

Like, you won't necessarily be lost if you don't see Black Widow, but you will be, you won't have the same emotional attachment. Like with her and David Harbor, with a lot of this stuff that's having. I mean, the taskmaster stuff, a lot of the stuff. Well, that's the thing. If you haven't seen Black Widow, you might be like, who is this character? Because, again, she's shown up, I guess, what, twice now here and then Hawkeye. And Red Guardian, to my knowledge, only showed up in Black Widow. You wouldn't even know who that person is if you haven't seen it.

Right. And it's very much to know him. It's important, especially from his whole angle of what he's doing because there's a bit, an ongoing bit. And he's brilliant in the role. by the way. He's like, because that role with somebody else could have been a Randy Quaid like Randy Quaid moment. 100%. You know what I mean? Like speaking of Independence Day. Like I love, I do like Independence Day. I think Randy Quaid is so over the top in that movie and he's so out of place in a lot of things. He's in a different movie in times. And that easily could have been the role that happened in this. But because David Harbour is so wonderful in it. And because it plays like, oh, I understand him because of what he did. Black Widow and the stuff that he went through in Black Widow and the moments and the relationship

he's got with them. The way it develops and there's layers to these people, which is why I cared. Like a lot of times there's no layers and there's no freaking singing planets, which I have to take a shot at that stupid singing planet every time I can. My favorite marketing for this has been David Harbor went to Disney and they just saw the Red Guardian thing. Yep. No, what did you? What happened? So they always have a new character come out with a movie release or they've been doing it lately and Red Guardian's the one for Thunderbolts.

So you see like David Harbor walking through Disney and he sees like cap. He sees Captain Marvel and he's like clearly looking for someone and he spots Red Guardian. And the dude looks amazing. And he just goes, and they like scream and hug each other. Even that joke wouldn't work with a lesser act. Like even of marketing. Like it's such a perfect tone and it's so grounded in heart. Yeah.

It's true. And what did you think about him, Winston? I thought David Harvard would stole the show. I think that. It is very clearly Florence is the lead of this movie. And, you know, and she is the heart and the soul of the movie. But he a thousand percent steals the show in all of the right ways. There's never a point where I'm like, you are annoying or you were taking a pulling focus.

If anything, his, I'll call it psychosis for the character is, is the perfect amount of what you need in that. moment. And you've talked about this a lot. There is a delicate balance when you're trying to tell a serious movie that has humor in it. And he, like you said, he never goes over the line. And it makes some big payoffs during the movie and the post credit scenes that much more fun because of how well he does it. Right. And I think that there, and it's because of exactly what said they knew everyone director had a great sense of the tone and where to hit those moments and not feel out of place and like no one's cracking jokes in the middle of like a big intense fight where it's like you know there's if there's if someone's in trouble you know okay they're in trouble right and

there's some there's some of those moments you're going to say quick yeah the director was i'd never heard of anything to this scale of movie the director was so uh sure of the vision of the movie. The composers had been hired in pre-production, and they were actually able to do rough suites and scoring for the actors to hear going into production. So, like, this movie was so buttoned up. It's the opposite of studio interference, which is something I think we've been feeling from some of these movies, that the director's vision is the movie we got to the point that they were able to start scoring it before they were shooting, which is unheard of, which is also why, like, the score feels so, like, emotionally connected to these characters. And they got to build, you know,

to the character. And so to me, that's, that doesn't happen with a movie like this. It's also the composing team behind everything everywhere all at once, which is like so much heart and emotion.

But yeah, they literally got to be alongside the director through the process. And that's why I think the movie feels so complete because it was. The score was brilliant. The score was really, really good. And I like that it's,

again, no spoilers. I like that it's really not a traditional Marvel ending, which to me is like this, because I was again person I was like it was like ah it was kind of you know seemed like it wasn't really a big huge Marvel ending I said I liked that

and I thought it was I thought it was in sync with what the whole movie was you also just from the standpoint of if you know who these people are and you know what they're going up against that's pretty much the only way that could go let's let's keep it a buck and I'll leave it at that because you'll get it once you get

in there but my whole thought process genuinely every time i saw the the trailers and whatnot i was like i'm really curious how they're going to figure this out yeah that is not who i would call to solve this problem yeah it's true and the way that it's set up and i think is is done very very well and what they do also is that they don't and i think that marvel has had this problem is trying to bombard you with cameos and easter eggs and all these different things and what they do well in this is that they fit the MCU in as a storyline. There's certain things like that just pop up in New York. And you're like, oh, okay, that's how that's connected is pretty great.

But then you also have Bucky, who kind of gives you that feel in general. And I thought he was, for people who are like, think this is going to be a Bucky movie. It isn't. He's there. He's in a significant part of the movie. And he's a, and he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a Barnes is Thunderbolt. This is this is, Elena's movie and I think

she, Florence Pugh is absolutely a movie star. I mean, she, from the second she enters, you just, you know, she's got, she's got a major presence with her and what she's got to do is, as the leader and as the lead actor, she's got to be able to connect with each person when she's in a scene with that you make

you care every single time. Okay, well, it's not like, oh, I wish she was back in the scene with that person. I don't matter who she's talking to, if she's going back and forth with Walker, who, Wyatt Russell, probably one of the best performances he's done in a while. And I say that as a compliment, he's done great stuff, but this is one. I think that this is the best we've seen Walker. And then with her and obviously David Harbor, but her, I mean, her and Bill Pullman,

her and Louis Pullman are so great together. And if you don't have that relationship work, you don't really feel for a lot of what they're trying to accomplish, Corey. Do you agree with that? I think this is the best example. of the power of the casting director knowing her cast for the long game. Sarah Haley-Fin, what she's been able to build. You've got to think, like, you're casting for 10 years or more out and you're going to be casting for relationships that don't yet exist. These are characters from, you know, a Disney Plus show, from other movies, from all these things combining. And if you

look at it, adding Lewis Pullman, every single one of these relationships works. Like, I love the relationship you're describing between you know yelena and and bob but like that's the only real new addition because you've got to hope that you've got the yelena and david harbour relationship strong enough that it holds for this new storyline you've got to hope that when you bring in these new characters it adds to the ingredients and uh louis pullman went out for spider man like he was peter parker uh like 10 years ago he was up for tom hollandrell and you know got i found out on the right carpet um you know that that she had had him in for that and then basically basically remembered how much he loved his work, brought him in for this, and now we've got

this incredible new soup. We do. And I think that that's it. He, I think he found out where he was supposed to be, right? He's, Robert Winston, where do you go? I don't know where he went, left. But yeah, that he absolutely found out where he's supposed to be. And it's because when you have actors around you that can also elevate what you're doing, it does nothing except make it exciting for everyone else involved. And these characters don't work with lesser actors. and this movie doesn't work without these relationships. Yeah.

And the internet, he's having internet issues. So I think that what else do we really need to say about this? I mean, moving forward, I guess that's the other thing, Quaid, is that the post-credit scene in general, we really, because you had that kind of piss poor Captain America thing that they tried to do to get you a little bit interested in it. But this one, obviously, this isn't even a post-credit. I think this is a scene from the movie.

I love that and very careful with spoilers. I love that so many, and I'm going to even phrase this slowly, I love that so many of the phase four and five post-credit scenes felt like they were setting up something. And then we were like, but when? And this one felt confident. Right. Like this is one of the post-credit scenes that feels like Marvel is sure of what's happening. They know what's, like it feels right.

And this is the most full I've felt after a Marvel movie in a long time. Like some of our movies have felt like when you go get a burger and you're hungry in an hour This feels like a meal. I feel like I'm satiated. I feel like I'm excited for what's to come. I feel very fulfilled. Yeah, me too. And you know, the other thing is when we talk about The hype behind it, I think there's more and more Like people actually interested to see it now, you know? Like I think that there is and it's almost where Because sinners had the same type of thing. People like, okay, let's let's see how sinners is going to be and then everybody's hype and up and now everybody wants to see it right word of mouth is starting to spread well look at these numbers here by deadline um so deadline is now saying marvel studios thunderbolts strikes

11 million thursday night box office update and it says disney's official figure thunderbolts last night 11.5 million more good news for the thunderbolts out of the gate has a four and a half stars on screen engine comms cross post track and a great 74% definite recommend. Also, five stars with kids under 12 and parents. The figure isn't that far from behind the 12 million chalked up by Captain America, Brave New World. That preview ripped 29% of the Anthony Mackey's pick first Friday, which turned into an 88.83 day last night's money from the Florence Pew, David Harbor, Sebastian Stan movie is under that of Guardians of the Galaxy for volume three, which posted 17.5 in previews for 48.1 Friday and a 11.4.4-3-d.

day. So, yeah, and then Warner Brothers ends in second week with $69 million. Okay. So I think that what you do here and when you look at it, welcome back, Winston. This is a good sign. This means the one thing is yes, if it's on par with the numbers of say Captain America, Captain America's first weekend was decent. Was it decent first weekend? It's their second weekend that buried them. or made it not great. And I said this to Rokey the other day. The second weekend, Winston, is the key to the success of this. But first things first, you hear this number that they're opening up with just from the previews. Your Marvel, you're pretty happy with this, right?

I mean, I think so. I just wanted for reference to try and see. I didn't realize that the, I guess Thursday is always going to be different than Friday. I don't see here what the Thursday number was, but seeing that the Friday, number for sinners was like 19 to domestically. I am curious to see what the carryover is, because I'm sure you've heard that Senors has actually just bought more IMAX screenings for after this first one, two-week run for Thunderbolts,

which is crazy, but is sort of what I was saying, that I think sinners might throw a baby bit of a monkey wrench just because it's got the cultural zeitgeist right now. I'm very curious to see if Thunderbolts, that it's not just diehard MCU people that are doing this, that you do get the general audiences to go, yeah, I want to go check this out,

which I hope they do, because this is a very, very good movie. But yeah, that was my only thing I was a little concerned about, but that is an R film versus this being, what, a PG-13, I think, which is also going to change some of that too.

And it is, they're close, but they are different by a large amount. So like, you know, you can really separate them out like that. But it'll probably, I mean, for what they're saying for sinners, it's probably going to make between 25 and 30 for this week, which is again, tremendous for them. And the difference is I don't, I bet you that the seven, the, if someone could look it up, but the Thursday number for sinners if it can, I bet should it's no higher than this or or closer. But the difference is the movie costs $90 million to make as opposed to 150 to 200. Thunderbolts wasn't that big of a budget. I mean, I'm not sure what the total budget was.

It was between 150 and 200. Was it 152? Okay. So like what Thunderbolts needs to do isn't comparable to what like Cap 4 needed to do or what like, you know, an Avengers needs to do. Smaller is as you look at like for what Marvel usually. Yeah. Obviously I'm not saying it's like sinners.

But what I love is that this is these two movies getting legs that I think they will is such a good sign for this type of filmmaking. I feel like Sinners is true original, incredible. IP that doesn't have a foundation that is treated with love and reverence. And then the next week is Thunderolds, which is the opposite. It's known IP but treated with love and reverence and respect. And it's actually honing in on like the film and the artistry of it. Like this feels like the most filmic superhero film in quite some time.

And I think it's a really good thing that audiences are showing up for quality. So it shows people like, hey, make good stuff. We'll come to the theater. I was just going to say, I was just going to say, here's an idea. make good stuff and it's not and sometimes good and sometimes people don't see good stuff you look if you're okay they're not even in the same stratosphere so sinners made 4.7 so there's that but like what thunderbolts is wedged in between let there be carnage and ant man in the wasp right now would let there be connage at 11.6 yeah amen to the wasp at 11.5 yeah it's infinitely different because of what but what

sinners and thunderbolts could have in common is again good word of mouth and second we can like small drops. I also think like I said two weeks ago that this movie is going to be word of mouth based. Because it does not have the brand recognition of Captain America. It does not have the brand recognition of the phase one through three characters as they got into their sequels. This is

Thunderbolt asterisk. It is a different thing. So if people love it and people are loving it as much as we do, I guarantee it's going to have a smaller drop than the average superhero movie. I think it probably will and it's also it's look, it's got the Marvel thing behind it. And Florence Pugh is a star and I think

obviously she shows in this that she is a movie star but she is not a major draw right now she's not this will make her one i think that's that if it does as well as we think that it could i agree with you i think that it absolutely could i think she she carries this movie she does a great job i think it's also going to put uh louis pullman in a different spot i think it's going to make all them put all i was going to say why russle's going to be a different spot after this i think will be the same because david harbors just continuously every time you put him in something he's great david harbors shows up and everything because everybody's like oh we should at David Harvard. Like he's fine. Like he's already a movie star. But I also think this is going to be

good for Hannah John Kamen. Like I honestly think that like, you know, there'll be conversations that wouldn't have happened before this movie about her. Yeah. I think this is going to be an interesting, interesting week because like I said, I really do think this is all about week two because we'll talk on Monday about the box office for sure. We'll dive in the spoilers. And we'll talk about that. And then on this show on Friday, it's really where we're going to start to have the conversation of, okay, well, it's tracking to do this on week two. What do we think that means?

Because there's not a lot of competition. I mean, even if you have Final Destination, 6 or whatever it is, that's not going to tie too much into it. And the real big one they've got to look out for is Mission Impossible. That's the one that's going to take the biggest chunk. They've got to make a good portion of money. But what do you guys think about all? this. What do you think about our thoughts so far on the Thunderbolts? And you're going to see it this weekend. Make sure that not only are you putting your thoughts in the live section here and then

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tell you guys about is you didn't we your number what number are we chasing right now right yeah that's a great question all right good news is that you guys have 35 before we even got question thing. Usually when you get to around 40 before the question to me, you're in for a good show. Bad news is you chate's in Roxy at 151. God, damn it. But again, 35, you got a shot. You got a shot. That's true. There's a lot of different things I want to go over with D.C. Coy, you say what you can. Because there was all this talk about the Sergeant Rock thing. We'll talk about Sergeant Rock first, right? And so the Sergeant Rock story essentially was that Luca, I always get his name wrong.

Guagadino. Vagadino? Close enough. I'm going to tell you that he's going to probably get nominated again this year for after the hunt. And so that movie, the Sergeant Rock movie, apparently, was delayed. It was delayed. They said, okay, it was greenlit.

Then they're delaying it. And so people go, oh, oh, D.C's in trouble. But they're like, well, no, not really. they basically what they're doing is just postponing it because of scheduling and things and they want to get it right that's the way i looked at it i looked at a sense of like if it falls apart and we lose luca and everything and then you lose colin farrell and you went up not happening and you get like a batman situation happening then it might be an issue but as of right now i don't see much of an issue on this one winson what do you think no i don't i don't like it certainly set off an alarm bell but it was

It was that first alarm you put on and then hit snooze. Like, once you realize, oh, it's not time yet. Like, I got over it as quickly as I, like, at a momentary panic kicked in. I think we just have to genuinely chill until Superman. I don't think anything is that big of a news until Superman genuinely drops, and we figure out where this is going. Okay. But I just, I don't know.

I genuinely think that it will be fine. And the only thing I would say is, look, if Sergeant Rock falls apart, I guess that means Colin Farrell can do season two of penguin. Right. That might be the only thing we get out of the Batman universe, the Reeves universe going forward at this point. Coy, what can you make of it? What can you say about it?

So I can say that I did not know of any peril. This came at me via the same way you guys heard about it. So this I feel like was a, you know, a spontaneous surprise. I am, you know, reading the same stuff you guys are and the stuff that I've read is lining up with what little I know. Like a lot of it films outdoors and I hear through reading this stuff that that was a big issue of like timing and scheduling and like whether or not working out and cost. Like those things are what I've heard from reading about it. And that does make sense. And it's something a lot of people don't realize like when you make a largely outdoor movie that that hinges on things.

but I don't know what the solution is except for delaying it. And as far as I know, that's where it's at. You also don't need it right now. I mean, it's like, if you can make it. It's not like in a, you know, it's like must. But I'm really excited for it, but I would rather see it right like you're saying. I'd rather see it done with these teammates. It's part of the canon, obviously, but it doesn't connect to the story of like Superman

and those other things. It just happened to happen in this universe, right? So by doing that and you're like, okay, it's, not a big deal because you'll have you'll have Superman that's going to come out in July which is again if I'm Warner Brothers or anybody else now the thing is is the same thing that we said where as if Superman fails in July you better bet your ass that you're going to see uh the Batman to one way or another come hell of high water you will see the Batman too if Superman fails however if if Superman does not fail that movie will probably fall apart and if the super if Superman fails

movies like this, Sergeant Rock and other things, will probably not happen because I don't know how long James Gunn will be there if Superman fails. It's a big swing. That's, it's so crazy that it could be a one and done. Like, that's, but it's supergirl out. Because they've already started, but yeah,

it is absolutely nuts that there is a world that it could be one and done. I mean, it's a good, I can't even say it's a good thing that a lot of the screenings are going well, just because I stand by what I always say, until we get to here's a finished product literally judge it for what it is now all of those are just you can get the proper feedback you need to get it to the right spot so who's to say um but yeah it is i mean we we said this from jump that this it's not just the dc studio shit there's like warner brothers

is hinging on this go totally they they made they made a very large bet here um but i i still have faith in the bet like i like there's no reason to not have faith also Warner Brothers like sinners is helping booie and like they've got some big wins that I think are really helping the studio well they just had two wins back to back in Minecraft and Minecrafts and sinners and Minecraft was also Warner Brothers yeah it was damn they're having a year this is their year so far and then they have a final destination coming out which is probably going to do well also yeah they're for them they started out and I broke it brought like they started out a little rough I can't remember something came out in the beginning of the year but it didn't do well I remember what it was

And then obviously they had the big stink bomb that was Joker 2 last year. But this year, they've started off there. If I'm one of the brothers, I like my chances, right? Especially if you're coming in July. Now, let me be clear. I don't think Superman's going to fail. I think it's going to do well. I think it's going to do very well.

Mickey 17 just didn't hit. Yeah, but even that, even Mickey 17. Yeah, but how much? Well, no, you know what? No, that was a failure. You're right, Winston, because that movie cost more than it should have. That movie should have cost $30 to $50 million. And I think it costs like $150 or $160.

So you're 100 percent. Correct. But the great stretch here. Let's see. I don't know what a working man is. That was the... Yeah, that's a good too. Jason Statham. But did it do well at the box office? Yeah, it did pretty decent. Low cost. And it got number one and beat... So you had working man, Minecraft, sinners, accountant two all in a row. And then your next one is final destination, then F1 and then Superman. And then weapons. And then weapons, which people are bidding war over. They have F1 also, huh? Apparently Jordan Peele fired his team for not winning the

bid on weapons. I keep hearing two different things. I hear that he fired his agent. I hear he fired his team. I hear he fired his assistant. Nobody knows the real story. Yeah. It's like a scene from the studio.

Like I just keep weird like, you know what this happened? I just started it, bro. Oh my God. I love that show. You're going to love, Winston, you're going to love the last episode.

I just heard about it. My girl told me about it about how to do some stuff without being racist. It sounds hilarious. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. Anyway, so I think that they're going to be in good shape.

But the question also goes with Clayface because there's new rumors with Clayface now. And those rumors are the following. Clayface is rumored to be undergoing a page one rewrite. And it sounds like the DCU is already in trouble. That is, I don't know, I don't know if that's accurate. But we'll see by this article and find out. And I hate this damn ad thing. Anyway, let's see what they write.

This is Josh Wilding. Sergeant Rock has essentially been scrapped by DC Studios. That's also not true. And now Clayface might be going back to the drawing board. We also have news on potential issues between James Gunn and HBO is the DCU and trouble. Back in February, DC Studios enlisted Speak No Evil, or sorry, speak to evil, director James Watkins to helm Clayface, given the filmmaker's horror background. If you haven't seen Eden Lake make it a priority, all signs point to this potentially being one of the most messed up comic book movies ever. However, Jeff Schneider is reporting today that Mike Flanagan only wrote a skeleton script for the movie,

and with his focus shifting to the Carrie TV series, Playface is reportedly getting a page one rewrite. Following up on his report on the hot mic, Snyder revealed that Sergeant Rock's budget was the reason for the movie's cancellation postponement, not the weather. It sounds like Luca initially had 70 million to play with, only for it to be reduced to 60. five million dollars that that's what they're arguing were compromises to make a decision in the process it may have also been greenlit with daniel craig attached a star when he pulled out uh green dougnino had to settle for the penguin star colin feral had to settle what i wrote this i josh wilding um who i like but but i don't like this article DC Studios is led by writer, director, James Gunn, and veteran movie producer Peter Saffron.

However, their inexperience as studio heads is beginning to show, and time is running out for them to have a DCU movie ready to hit theaters in 2026, early 2027. Despite Gunn's insistence that DC Studios is separate from Warner Bros. pictures, he still has to answer to Warner Brothers. During the podcast, Snyder, strongly hinted that DC's future will be re-evaluated after Superman's release this summer. everybody knows that. It seems there may be some frustration on guns part as well, with HBO's show reluctant to add a superhero fare to the premium cable network. He may have even gone over Casey Boy's head directly to Zazlov to get lanterns underway. When the DCU was first announced at the start of 2023, an ambitious film of TV slate was announced. Only a few of those have come to fruition. And as we write this, bringing back memories of the DCEU slate reveal in 2014 that ultimately meant very

little talking about Clayface earlier this year. Yeah, yeah, we saw that. Anyway, so interesting reports. Well, the first thing is that I think incorrectly stated by Josh in that one is that it was canceled pretty much over again. We don't know that it was canceled, the Sergeant Rock. And the other thing that I think to me, I like Daniel Craig, but if you ask me, who would you rather have Daniel Craig or Colin Farrell?

I'm going to settle for Colin Fair. The guy just won like 75 awards for the penguin. It's like, how do you not want him? over Daniel Craig right now. He's the hotter actor over Daniel Craig right now. Also an Oscar nom two years ago for banjies. Like he's doing okay. He's doing, he's doing all right. So settling for, you settle for

Christian Harlow. If you get me, you're settling. You should cancel your move. Not according to the box. Not you say that you're the settle option. 100%. That's, that's, that's this. Yeah, because you can't see acting. Thanks. We'll get their money.

We need it. Your wife is here, John. You can't get acting like that. Oh, not you. keeping that on the set of memes to play at any point in time. Just ready to just click. That's it. One, please.

I wasn't supposed to say anything. They had to, the ADR was probably so mad because this asshole. So bad. One, please. Because I said one. I said one. And they're like,

and like, he wasn't supposed to say anything. He was supposed to go up there and just to give him the drink. And he said, to dub me over. That's not me saying that. Were you background? Yeah.

Oh, dude. I thought you had like a roll. That's not even more hilarious. Hilarious. I'm telling you. I'm still waiting for people. The BLD to find me doing the suck-it thing is the burn victim. Did I tell you guys that?

I told you that, right? I didn't tell you. Oh, I'm in that movie twice. Okay. Like, there's that. And then there's another scene where they're like, you know, because at the time, I got my sack card on a different, on a different movie, but I was trying to get on this.

So I was trying to get another day. And I get, we get another day for you. You have to play at Burnwick. It was like, they put me up in this, in this hospital. And I'm all, you know, bandaged up. And Ray Leota walks in the thing, too. And I was like, no way. was going to know that it's me. I'm like, so I'm like, gosh, I did the suck it thing.

And when you, when you, when you, when you, nobody knew. So when you see me, you see the one guy going like this with the hands as me. So I got to find that. Someone's got to find that. Someone's got to find that. That I'll play as a thing. Anyway, anyway, point is, you don't settle confirm. You settle with the guy doing, suck it in the, in the, yeah, it's a, but I will say that I think that what is concerning with Clayface is that, you know, it's like one of those things of like, all right, let's stop announcing stuff. It's the same thing that Lucasfilm goes through and Marvel goes. Let's stop announcing things. We learn nothing. Just until you're ready to go and start shooting, Winston, you seem to agree. No, I mean, it's the same thing that I want to say

all three of us have been saying, give me no more than a year or two. I'm a year or two. out. Stop giving me your five-year plan. I know you're doing that for the shareholders, hold private meetings. I don't know what to tell you because literally all you're doing is setting yourself up for failure. And it's, and I said this in a previous show, it's very similar to what my therapist has told me is that there is a dopamine high in the same way that you're getting some sort of, you know, financial little bump, but it's not helping you in the long run to say all this out because you just want to be like, hey, look at me, look at me. just what is the actual thing we're dealing with right here and the right now?

Because all you will do in that case is that's already set to go. It's happening one way or the other. You are not setting up people to get disappointed and pissed off later. So they have to stop doing that. What do you think, Koi? I think that we are in a point where that's the expectation is to have to say stuff, to have to announce. I think we've put people in the positions of leadership in a bad position where

stockholders are expecting it and fans are expecting it. And those are two very different things that are both detrimental to the actual art. So I think we need to shift the expectation. I think that we need to, I mean, we've talked about it a lot, but we need to pull back and we need to make it the new normal to not over promise and then not be able to keep up when the world changes. There's so many variables in making a movie or show. We shouldn't even look three years out publicly. We should have a plan, but that's behind the scenes because life, like, it all changes. So I think the new norm should be like a year out. Yeah, I think, well, when you know you're going to start shooting, when you know you're going to start shooting, it's like, then it's, then it's real. And it's just not

real right now. And then you, the problem is you set yourself up to articles like that. Because if you're announcing for the stockholders or for the fans or for the cons, and you want that to build confidence. And then if it falls apart, it's doing the opposite. Like, it's doing more harm than the good of announcing. If you get like plus two points for announcing, you lose three when it falls apart. 100%. Isn't that the main, I mean,

other than a lot of bad stuff also coming out, but that's one of the main reasons why Star Wars has been in such turmoil is how many things have we been promised are coming that never appear. You don't believe it. Like,

you don't believe it. Like, Marvel for a while didn't have that problem. The only thing you can really remember Marvel announcing that didn't happen was what was the, it wasn't the, what was it called the, Inhumans.

That was the only one. It did. It just was. was a show and it wasn't very good. I know, but I mean from announced from a movie. It was announced from a movie and then it never happened. That was the only one you could now you could do a lot of stuff with with Marvel, but you couldn't for a long time. So you, but you still, okay, one, they had one announcement. They had everything ready and then it all worked. Now they keep doing the same thing that the Lucas film is the worst. I mean, they're the absolute worst. There's like there's 87 movies that are coming out that you'll never see the light of day. And Ryan Johnson has had a trilogy in development for 10 years, which is ridiculous. Um, so that's, uh, but D.C. can't afford to do that because the difference with Lucasfilm and DC right now, this regime, Lucasville at least has some movies. Uh, D.C. didn't have anything yet. The fact that I was surprised that Ryan Gosling was actually at celebration showed me where I feel like Star Wars is. I was like, oh, it's happening. Right. Like that doesn't feel good when you're surprised at the thing actually being true.

It's true. Um, but either way, we'll see what happens. As far as the other thing that I do want to talk about before we move on is, The interesting note with the DC, um, HBO Max relationship, because I could see a world where that story is true. Because you could see where the kind of prestige that Max probably holds himself to, right? As far as TV shows, like we don't want comic book stuff.

We already did. We did the peacemaker thing. We did, you know, we got the penguin show. We, and we have this lanterns thing. That's, that's,

that's, we don't want to become Disney plus here. That's one thing at a time. This is my thing. This is what I'm doing. We've announced shows. We're partners with you. We need shows. This is part of our thing.

I could see. I could see that happening. But, Winston, do you make any truth out of this potential of rumor? Sorry, which one? I was looking up something. I was trying to look up something about the- No, from the story I read about the gun on HBO. I believe that just in the sense that it feels like Zazloff, to this day,

it feels like he still doesn't necessarily know what he's doing. It's not Zazloff. This isn't Zazov. I know Zazloff kind of like greenlit that. You're saying this KC person was the one that, like, stopped. The head of the head of Max has been giving a problem that gun had to go to Zazloff in order to get Lannern's meat. Which I remember seeing that, I guess I still blame Zazloff on it because he put this

Casey person in charge. And I would argue that a lot of the stuff with Max has been in a weird disarray where then all of a sudden he was just canceling stuff left. and right and pulling it off the platform. So I'm not entirely surprised because it feels like the chain of command at times is a little chaotic. So I think it's equally as much about, I would assume he put her in that position to do that in the first place, correct? I don't necessarily know if maybe the person was there beforehand. I'm not sure.

But I'm not on that same page than that one, Corey, because I think that this is more so of the slate. You look at the sleeve, whether it's White Lotus, House of the Dragon, these other shows that they, whether it's Marevizwick, these other stores, shows that they have these, the other one, hacks. They have tons and tons of quality, quality shows that have been performing very, very well. And they probably think, hey, we, we know what we're doing over here. We don't want to overperform. We gave you your common book show. You had the penguin. We did good with that.

We have our, we have, we gave you lanterns after you went to Zazlov. and you've got Peacemaker Season 2 coming out. Leave us alone. We have enough now. And guns like, well, no, we have to do more. And they gave them Creature Commandos also. So I wonder where that stands. For me, I would look at the success of Watchman.

I'd look at the success of Penguin. To me, I feel like they would want, as long as it's good, more of it. Because all the awards we just talked about Colin Farrell winning are awards for HBO. Right. So, like, for me, I wouldn't imagine they'd want to, buy the nature of the genre. Like, no, no more of that genre. I think it's just going to be piece by piece quality.

So I don't know if I buy them just being like no more comic book stuff if they've had so many hits. I don't think of HBO's comic stuff. I think it was some of the best. So I think they just got really good quality control. What I hear is they just change their logo, they're cancel and stuff. I think it's more of an HBO being like, let's figure out what we're doing, not comic specific, but like the overall HBO acquisition thing.

It feels like it's shifting, not specific to comedy. comics to me. Well, my question is, though, because I know that they were for a long time trying to distinguish between a Max original series and HBO. So I guess that's the other thing I'm trying to figure out here is what, what is it that gun was pushing for in that regard? Because it sounded like he was trying to push for Max series and not going for HBO, in which case that doesn't make sense to not put that on Max. You know what I'm saying? Like that that is where I guess I'm kind of confused about what this is trying to say. That's my only thing. Yeah, it's just a matter of what really happened. I suppose because someone pointed out Casey Blas has been their way before

Zazlov. So he didn't, but either way, we'll see. I mean, it's all rumor in here saying they could be, the other thing is they could have a great relationship. Yeah, we just don't know. In complete nonsense. But what do you guys make of all this? What do you think about it? Put your comments into your thoughts about it. Do you think the DC is in a good spot? Let's see what happens. Let's find out what's happening after Superman before we make any judgments. Okay. Last story. until we get to your questions. And we mentioned Jeremy Renner. He's been doing the rounds, man.

He's been all over the place doing some interviews. Well, he was talking about Hawkeye. And he said he's not coming back for season two. But the reason why is because Disney's trying to screw him, basically. Hawkeye star Jeremy Renner explains why he won't return for season two. He said, I told him to go flying kite. Jeremy Renner will not be back as Clint Barton for a second season of Hawkeye and the actor explains why in a new interview.

If a second season of Marvel's Disney Hawkeye series moves forward, it'll do so without Jeremy Renner. Hawkeye without Jeremy Renner. It makes sense. During an interview with high performance, Renner revealed that he declined the studio's offer to reprise the lead role of Clint Parton when he was only offered half of his season one salary.

So they asked me to do a season two and they offered me half the money. I'm like, well, it's going to take me twice the amount of work for half the amount of money in eight months of my time, essentially to do it for half the amount. I'm like, I'm sorry. Why do you think? Because I'm only half the Jeremy Renner because I got ran over. Maybe that's why you want me to pay half of what I made on that first season. He said, now this is not Marvel.

This is just like Disney or not even really Disney. It's just the penny pinches, the accountants. I told him to go fly a kite. I mean, just at the insult offer. So we didn't see eye to eye on it. Renner continued adding that he's not ruling out a return to Hawkeye in the future. Sadly, I still love the character. I still love to do it, but I had to defend myself.

I didn't ask for any more money. Just pay me what I made for the first season. So it's all disheartening that it didn't happen, but that's fine. I'm happy to let that go because my body's probably thanking me time and time again that I'm not doing it right now, but we'll see. Since Kate Bishop is expected to take up the Hawkeye Mantle going forward, a second season could work without his involvement, but let's hope that doesn't deter him from returning a Spartan in the upcoming Avengers movie.

Hawkeye Season 1 now available yet again. I think it would be a major mistake to do a television show without him as Hawkeye. Major mistake, whether or not she's the new Hawkeye or not. Major mistake. Just don't do it. Bring her back. And Haley Steinfeld is everything she does. Every time she does something, she goes more of a star, she's blowing up even more so now because of sinners.

Put her in one of the movies. She'll show up in the movies. Don't do a series. You don't get ill will. You don't need that because he's going to show up in one of the Avengers movies. his agents will not let him get less than he is needed. The Rousseauce will pay him what he's needed to have. So he will show up in there.

This to me is exactly what he said. These are accountants trying to penny pinch, but you don't do that with Hawkeye because that's exactly quite. It feels to me a conversation was like, well, we don't necessarily really need him because he's only going to be in some of this and it'll be a little bit about Haley now. So maybe we'll just offer him less.

Too late. He's been in 87 movies already. You have to pay him what you paid him. Unless he's one episode to set up a new thing, but even then Even then. Or if he's, if he's half, if you're paying him half, it's like, oh, you must know what we to do half. Right.

The episode. So we're not, we're doing 10th. You only want for five. That's what we're doing. Okay. But like, otherwise, what, what are we doing? But it's also a conversation of putting your brand on something. Like, if Jeremy Renner is going to be promoting the show and you're paying him half, like,

it needs to be very clear that that would be the thing. But I agree with Christian. Like, that isn't the show. the one we got work because it was the buddy duo like you need both of them if you want that dynamic i think a young avengers with kate uh with haley sinfeld with kate bishop would be great i think moving forward you know having jeremy runner and hawkeye as you know the avengers things but i don't know if a lot of people are one asking for hawk i season two or two wanting it to not be the buddy dynamic that made the first season that's the best part of the first season or three if we're

going to be wanting more of this after secret wars if they do kind of clean slate it so i just i don't know we need it. Yeah, I don't think we do. And I think it's one of those things where, look, it's probably what happened was when they made the first season and it was during the pandemic era when they were, you know, they needed their material. And Bob Chappek was handing out shows like you handed out candy. And at that point, probably just paying a ridiculous amount of money to do it. And that's, that's ultimately what happened. Because what probably happened is they said, what's that? Oh, it was you. My, I had a notification set for our show. So you. You just popped up in the two second delay.

It's you in the future past. But what I was saying is like, it's like basically what happened is they're probably sitting around in the account and go, there's no world where we would offer Jeremy Renner this money today. So we got to offer them what we would offer them today if this was season one. Problem is season one already happened. So you've got to, you already have a precedent of what it is. So you can't do that. And is it that important? And I will tell you this is what Bob Eiger is doing.

And I think well. And we'll see how it pans out. with the Mandalorian and Grogu because he's taking Moana, wanted to turns it into a movie instead of a series, almost a billion dollars. We'll see what happens with Mando and Grogu, but then with something like this, look,

they had their end credit scene for the marvels of how, you know, I'll tell you, after watching the Marvels and after seeing, I would have much rather had a movie with Kamala, and um and what's her face kate yeah i would much rather had that than the marvels because i think that would have like you you already set those two shows up people respond that you just have those those two would have a movie i think and a smaller budget that probably would

give you a lot more success than that shit piece that they put out and also like in this case a renter he's one of the only original six avengers that's like willing to do the tv stuff so that isn't the time to be like half like it's just it's it's it's a tricky and now the optics are rough because he's because he's been dominating tv because he's what the mayor of east town or whatever he had another he had another show i think it was running so like he's clearly the fine doing tv just paying his playing his damn right you set up especially like i cheated death it's like i mean what a what a what a what a jip it's like it's absolutely absolutely horrible um anyway so it was the other one they said it was and someone had mentioned oh the Young Avengers well that we report on here we talked about forever and we

reported on it that it's going to be at something at Disney Plus thank God um because that would have been a mistake to put that as a movie now but either way what do you guys make of it man you think that this is um this is is is is he being greedy I don't think so I don't think anybody here thinks so or do you think you know and the fact that Disney should pay him or is it for the better because really who needs the series put your thoughts in there let us know All right, we're going to get to your questions and what we do every week. We get to the questions and we make sure every day on the show. It's 151 is what the gentleman need to catch normally around 30 when you're going into it.

Hold on one second. Normally when you're going into it, it's about 30. Do pretty well right now. The guys are at 49 going into it. And we will get your questions. Winston, what's up? I just really wanted to try and understand that thing, and I figured it out. So I think it was a push to get lanterns pulled from Max and put on to the HBO original programming,

which they treat with a little bit more reverence. So specifically, they already do have booster gold, Paradise Lost, and Waller are all considered Max programming, versus they got lanterns put as HBO programming, which is in the same vein of the Harry Potter series, the same vein of Game of Thrones, the same vein of The Last of Us. So I think maybe that's where the argument was about going above their head. And that makes a little more sense to me. We will never know until we do. All right.

So let's real quick, guys, give us a breakdown on what's going on on the channels. Boy? So I just put up my non-spoiler review for Thunderbolts two days ago. I dropped my spoiler this morning because the internet's like, well, it's already out. But it's a spoiler one. So only watch the non-spoiler if you haven't seen it, spoiler pia. that's all up right there next week or this Sunday last of us episode four next week more and or et cetera et cetera et cetera so I'm doing like four or five videos a week on my page we're at 46k on the

road to 50 when we do 50 I'm going to do a 50 comic giveaway so hunt me down over on my YouTube it's my name Winston yes so I can announce now I can't tell more but I don't think I'd mention on this show already I booked a feature so I have been on set a lot recently and that's where I have kind of been doing stuff so I put out of the theater reaction for thunderbolts I will we wrap up here today i'll be recording my spoiler which will i'll drop tomorrow um and then other than that find me on um uh with roca do and spill the tequila find me here on fridays um and then next week i have the week off from set and i have to go back so uh i will be streaming a decent amount next week as well so you can come by congratulations mickey blurred thank you very much

make sure you check it out um okay guys they're ready so 49 as we start with again about 57 minutes can they catch roxy we shall see shea quick thoughts thunderbolts over deadpole wolverine i think it's an overall structured movie as a film yes i think it is it is a better movie than deadpool wolverine i think deadpool wolverine is a great comedy i think it's a some really good easter egg moments i did the chemistry you get some laughs out of it i think they kind of almost it's like i said this other day is where thor love and thunder is a terrible saturday Night Live version of Marvel. Deadpool Wolverine is a very funny version of

Saturday Night Live as a Marvel movie. But as an overall movie with actually character, depth and story, I think Thunderbolts is far superior. I like him for different reasons. I don't know which. I'd need to rewatch Thunderbolts as many times I've seen Deadpool to really parallel it. But for me, Guardians 3 is still my favorite phase 5.

Maybe for me too. I would, yeah, because No Way Home is considered four, right? But Thunderbolt is a huge surprise, and I'm pretty confident it's going to be my conversation. It's in the conversation. I'm sorry. I'm not, I always had a gut feeling, and you can check the tape that this was going to, that this was going to rock. I think I'll put Thunderbolts above it just because there is something about a nostalgia sequel factor that automatically gives like a No Way home and a Deadpool and Wolverine a little bump up. But if we're just going, and Guardians as well, but I'll give Guardians a little less because that's just a straight trilogy versus both of those other movies took 20 years of nostalgia to like pack in there as well.

So I think that that does take it down a slight letter grade, even though it is above, if you were just going pound for pound here and just like the way you would never put a lightweight versus a heavyweight fighter, if we were like, let's just genuinely look at skill. I'm going to take Thunderbolts over, over Deadpool and Wolverinecher. Um, next one. And that's from Shea. Florence P. is a blessing for Marvel. Yeah, she's, she's got the star power right now that you know, it's funny. We always talked about it.

They don't have any all stars for a bit we were having Marvel. They might have an all star now, right? They haven't, they haven't had, um, all stars. They've had good players, but they haven't any all stars. She might be an all star. Um, Chey Markell. I wish cap four was this grounded. I will rewatch.

That's worth wild is that in some ways. This gets very fantastical in the third act, which is great, but it still was more grounded throughout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This one gets a damn good four out of five from me. I think four has been kind of the overall rating for everybody. I was 4.2.

Shane Markell, I get emotional four times in this damn movie. Yes. Yep. It was, it was absolutely emotional at times. and I think it worked pretty well. Yeah. Okay, thank you, Shea, for those at 54 currently. Shea, oh, Shea's coming in half for you guys today.

Have you heard that Jeremy Renner turned on season two? No, Shay, we didn't hear that yet. But what we'll do is we'll go back in time after hearing it, and we'll do a story on that. Yeah, we'll do a story on it. She says, Jeremy Rainierthney is alleged for now. No, it's not alleged. He said it. It's not alleged.

He said it on, he said it straight up on an. interview. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Remind. It's legit. He turned down season two. They need to break out the Brinks truck because I loved him and Kay Bishop together. Yeah, I just don't think it's worth it for that series. The series was fun and it was okay. But I'll tell you, we did, so Sam and I

right now, Sam's coach, Sam took a week off from Marvel stuff and we're getting back. It's going to be Shang Chi Eternals and then Hawkeye. We already watched episode one of Hawkeye. And I feel the same way I did when I watched it the first time. There's times like, Kate Bishop's great. Halley Steinfeld's great, but I still have an issue with the fact that she took her She took her.

She's a blackbound karate and she can just beat up eight thugs in the street. And they're morons, the thugs. They're all idiots. Duh, duh. Like those types. I hate thugs like that. Duh. Who hired you in the first?

Otis. But Otis wasn't trying to fight people. Otis was just a dope. No, no, no. You answer to your question? So, Oda? Absolutely not. The street in which he was like, I will kill you.

Otis was not trying to fight people in the street, like eight of these idiots in the tracks. It was the worst. It was the worst. But in general, it's not a bad show, but season two. All right. Next one after that. So far again, thank you, Shea. Go pal coming in hot here.

Early support in case I duck out for spoilers. No, no spoilers. We didn't do spoilers today, nor will we until Monday and then Friday again, too. Corey, you on the show next Friday? You're not. Yeah, I'm here next Friday. Okay. We'll have box office next Friday.

I'm excited about that. Shane Markell, I was wiping salt into my eyes, catching tears. It's fair. Rubby bands with Njago getting a live action movie. Is that true? And in general, becoming more popular. Would you guys ever consider watching the show? It's my favorite show of all time.

I have seen... Like a Lego Nijago? I have seen so many episodes of Nizago. you have no idea. I'm not, I'm not joking or doing the thing I do to you guys. Both of my kids were obsessed with Njago. Lloyd and the whole crew.

Garmadan, I know all of them. And would they actually do a, because I saw that the movie, you know, they did the movie itself, but the series, my kid, my little one still watches it. So I didn't, I have to tell her they're doing a live action movie. She's going to be thrilled.

Israel Lopez, please upload Friday's episode to Spotify. is it not on spotify yeah people are saying like capes and cows hasn't been on spotify i don't know if that's it's it's i don't know is that true i gotta go look um let me i'll look in a second but i i feel like it is wow this has been on since 2011 holy crap yeah but i don't think it's still on though well yeah 2020 is it looks like the last one what are we talking what was that what was the title of last week's episode you remember so it was early was it early fan reactions i can check hold on so it was let's see so live so we were last week's blade canceled oh wow it wasn't on spotify what the hell happened

all right i'll put it on spotify and the week before that was the star war starfighter date announced that one is that that one has to be on there too is that wasn't on there either i don't know i'm just listing the ones all right i'll have to look i'll have to look but thank you for the meaning normally what i try to do is the second that's my first thing i do once i finish the show is that i upload it right to spotify otherwise it's lost uh paul marquez nine at a tonne 10 for Thunderballs. Love story feeling alone, but group to care about you. Yep, exactly. Ruby bands. They also announced Injago Legends monstrosity, which is basically a Lego anime. You should check that out as well. It looks amazing. Thanks for letting me know.

I'm going to tell a little one about it. She's going to be excited. Shea, honestly, I truly enjoyed this one. They could have mishandled the subject matter so easily, but they took it seriously and had me drinking soda while crying into my popcorn. More of this place. Yeah, just take it seriously. And this shows how much we want a grounded human story. Yep. That was the whole reason that we fell in love with the MCU in the first place. Because you walked away from the traditional Batman and Robin, like as much as we love Spider-Man, like, even that, you looked at Iron Man. You're like, how do we make this realistic but still true to the, like, that is what we have to get back to.

Yeah. My fingers are crossed. Here's the difference again, was I think like when you look at something like, again, again, I hate that it's always me shoveling shit on Lucasfilm at this point. But it's like if you look at like Andor and what I love, there's a lot of people who disagree with me and think that Andor is slow. I think it's absolutely brilliant. But if you look at Andor and you watch the whole entire series and you go, whoa, that's

exactly what Star Wars should be. And you can't get excited because the next thing you know, you're going to have some, you know, Philoni show with a bunch of nonsense happening. And then you're going to go, oh, that we're back to where we were. With Marvel, if this happens, at this point and you go oh okay we have marvel we have maybe they actually they understood what winston just said there which is stay grounded and then that's what the overall tone is going to be for the rest of the movies that i can get behind and and feel like they might actually catch on to that

you know winson you agree yeah coy uh yeah i think with like things like guardians and iron man simultaneously existing in phase two and three it shows we can have grounded and then the as long as the tone fits for this outside the problem was everything started feeling elevated in a neutral way where it all didn't work so yeah i i think this is a good bar to come back to uh paul marquez i love the joke crazy team and bob yeah it's like they they have a they really do and ghost has more to do in this one too he didn't really talk about ghost ghost has a lot more great we got to actually see who she is as a character now yeah because i didn't i didn't necessarily love ghost in ant man too but ghost comes to play in this one.

James Diesel. Is Evans Johnny a variant of Quinn or Steve Rogers? Is Michael Lee Jordan Johnny variant of Quinn or Kilmonger? Can Doom look like Stark but not be a Stark variant? It's a lot of questions.

That's a lot of questions. That's good. I don't know. All right, Corey, you're on the clock. Okay, so it's Evans, Johnny, a variance of Quinn or Steve Rogers. Well, Evans Johnny would be, be a variant of the Johnny from the Fox universe, which is not going to be the Johnny of the

Quinn's take in Human Torch, because that is an extra-dimensional take within the Marvel Cinematic Universe, which technically Fox is an alternate of. So he would be a variant of whatever the core nexus being Johnny is. And Steve Rogers would be more likely to be a variant that looks like Johnny Storm, because it's about appearance, by the way, it seems like Marvel's doing it, because they had all the Cangs, they had all the Dr. Strangers looking alike. And then as Michael B. Jordan, Johnny, a variant of Quinn or Killmonger, I would say he'd be a variant of Killmonger because they seem to be based on appearance more than powers. As we see with Spider-Man, it can be power set, but that was kind of the exception of the rule.

And I think Doom can look like Stark and not be a Stark variant, but I think that they're going to play him as a Stark variant. And I worry about that. Me too. I hope that they don't play them as very. I think they have 1,000% because I think somebody, I think I sent it to you guys. Somebody had this theory of when, what's his name? When Dr. Strange was like, there's $4 million in one. The one is the one where Tony makes the sacrifice play instead of winning straight out and then getting back into his, you know, an armor in every country or whatever it was that he had.

that led to Ultron and all that kind of mess that he does something similar and that's where he kind of spirals off into becoming Doom is because he's like I have to protect all universes so this doesn't happen anybody else and then gets a little power hungry and a little crazy got it yeah I mean did you guys see and I have to send it to you both I mentioned on the show yesterday um someone sent me like this AI thing that was made about how um it was Doom and Thanos having a conversation outside of the brawl and doom's like cool as a cucumber just talking to him and And it's Josh Boland's voice as he's talking to him. And then they're about to, they're about to scrap. And Doom's trying to get him on his side for a second. And then he just realizes Stanis is not about it. And he's like, he starts running after him. And Doom says to him, he goes, you have a gauntlet?

He goes, I do not. You know, and I don't need it, whatever. And he goes to, and he goes to punch him. And within, within seconds, June reaches through and just rips his spine out. And that's, that's from Secret War. So it sounds like someone may have added, added stuff to it, which if that's, that's cool. you what they sent me was it was actually pretty great and i was like that's how they need to make

doom look like that uh shame arkell what makes bucky qualified to be a congressman um subpar writing i i well have you seen our current members of congress so i was gonna say he's actually got military experience he's a public person he's handsome uh i feel like you know you the people want to vote for people they feel like connected to and he's got the experience in in battle i i can see it we've elected less uh and kingpin yeah kingpin got elected and kingpin's the mayor i still stand by have you seen our current members of congress there are plenty of people that i'm like why are you here so alexander wilson don't forget this is the first mcc movie conceptualized after iger came back and reset everything in 23 he called out the quality on cnbc and said they're looking at content

and that needs to be changed yeah i mean look he's he's made say what you will and i think he handled the strike terribly, but say what you will about him as exactly. He is, he is one of the best overall studio guys like, maybe Hall of Famer. It might be the goat as far as creatively, as far as creatively. He, because he knows how to place people together and get the right people together to make it happen. And he's done sorry. Look, that whatever you want to say about Moana 2, I don't think it was a great movie. It was the right move to take that thing off of Disney Plus and it almost made a billion dollars. You can't say, I'm telling you, separate yourself from anything of what you think about the movie, and it is the business decision, brilliant, and it might be the same thing from Inelorian and Grogu.

So he's making the right calls right now. Icon M. Can you guys discuss the fandom's flip-flop on the interconnectness the MCU tends to rely on their characters, all except Bob were already established on the projects, very Avengers and Guardians coded? I don't know if I understand all the way through. You discuss the fan. What's the fandom's flip-flop? The idea of wanting it to be connected

versus not being connected and like just focus on this movie. Oh, I see. I think though what I got to give credit again to Thunderbolts for doing, the only movie you 100% should have seen before this is Black Widow. That's the only project that you 100% should see before you start Thunderbolts. But it doesn't hurt to have seen Ant Man of the Wasp and to have seen Falcon on the Winter Soldier before you get here. I think the reason why people are frustrated is

the best way that this has always worked is a little bit of taste of something outside of this particular movie, but let's focus on this movie versus everything always feels like an Avengers event. And if everything's an Avengers event, nothing is an Avengers event. That is where people have been upset. I think that's the whole point.

The difference, I think, to answer that is that also basically what these guys just said is that when we were building out the MCU in the first place, It was story by story by story. And then you get a little bit of pieces to connect them all together. And you don't, and as I just mentioned before, there's no All-Stars because you don't really care about anybody. And they're just kind of throwing things together.

So, look, this is going to be in this and this is going to be in this. And you're going to have this. And it's like, let's just focus on make me care first. And then I'll care if they're connected later on because like they deal with Thunderbolts. You care. And by the end of this movie, like, oh, how are they going to fit in to the rest of this now? Now I care.

Now I want to see them. I didn't know if I was going to want to see them before. when they were announced a D23, the hell is this? Another one of their projects. Now I'm like, when are we going to see them again? I also think that the lesser films we talk about all the time, like relying in the interconnectedness is more about setting up stuff that never pays off or relying on our emotions tied to the last iteration.

And my fiance hasn't seen Black Widow. She actually was funny. She asked me, we were talking after at dinner. And she was like, is the guy with the arm, has he always been a congressman in the stories? And I was like, oh, what a, what a thing for you to meet Bucky as a congressman. She, like, didn't have any context. So it was cool that she loved the movie and, like, really was riveted by it and wouldn't have had that. So I think it shows how strong the movie is by itself that she liked it.

Yeah. Okay. Oh, you know what I was Sweden to talk about was this best Valentina's been, by the way, in the whole entire thing. Like, she's felt, she's, I love her as an actress, but she's felt out of place until this movie. I think we finally got to understand What is going to be watching her appearances Will be better now because of this one. Agreed.

Buster Barnes really like Thunderbolt So it's not the best MCU movie since Endgame But it's up there. Interested to see how it does compared to Brave New World. Yeah, I think that, I think it is the best MCU connected movie Probably since No Way Home

Because Garden is a Galaxy 3 It's an ending of a trilogy. It doesn't really connect to the MCU. Um, the last like connected movie that's pushing the story forward, basically is probably this. And that's no way home. What would you say outside of that? Yeah. I, I'm like, I'm just trying to, I'm just trying to think in my brain.

I mean, I think the first thing is by far the best origin and or new start out of any of the ones that we've had. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's better than Shangchi personally. Yeah, I think it's better than Eternals personally. And I like Eternals. Yeah. Um, uh, you know, it's the best starting point. That is for sure.

And then, yeah, as far as like trying to connect it, because the only other major connectors went, no way home, Brave New World, the Marvel's, Thor, maybe, I don't know, because that was also kind of a weird quadrility close-out. Dr. Strange. Yeah, I think it's definitely in the top conversation,

but to say the best since Endgame is, that is clearly hyperbole being used to sell movies. I was like, okay, cool. I was gonna pretend like Deadpool, Guardians and Spider-Man didn't have it, but all right, whatever. Yeah, to me, Guardians tops this and Spider-Man tops this, but those are both the thirds in a trilogy. So as number ones go.

But I was just saying, Guardians tops it for me too as far as overall, but I mean, saying it's got to be the best like MTV. Yeah, Arc, because Guardians 3 was, like I said, is just an ending of a trilogy. It was it had nothing to do with what's about to happen or what's going to happen as where you will. No way home clearly will, because I'm sure we're going to see Garfield and Toby again in Secret Wars.

But you probably see those guys in Guardians 3, but I don't know if their story has anything to do. That story has anything to do with Secret Wars or Doomsday. I think this is the most I've gotten a new fresh excitement about Marvel because of it. Because like we're talking about Guardians 3 and no way home, those do feel like resolve. This feels like start. 100%.

Haskell. I love it. And I and how they dove into mental health aspect, the deeper infection, inflection that we're not alone. Don't give up on yourself. Don't give into the darkness within and being there for someone can mean anything. Well said. And 100% is exactly what the message was. Shea, when Bucky showed up in Cap 4, and thank you, Ed, by the way, that was really, very generous.

Showed up in Cap 4 as Congressman. I was shocked. I assume he would lose an election for the same reason. He's not a safe bet to be cap. Yeah, but there's also, you know, the fact. fact is that he got a pardon for all the crap that he did too i maybe i need to read you just finished falcon and winter soldier yeah how did that at you like i could know he was trying to help other vets that were like having PTSD and stuff like that did he mention something about maybe

a political run there no not in not in because that's the last time we saw bucky no i don't think so i don't believe so i just saw that he i was just curious because i couldn't remember i haven't seen in a while so i didn't know if maybe that was the tipping of the hat that that's what he was going to do next he can tell me if i'm wrong but i just saw that i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure no. I think is he's still trying to figure out all of his crap. I felt like he was still on a walk about at the end of that show. Yeah, he was still trying to like the use.

He was trying to exercise the demons. So this is very much a tell don't show moment then. Yeah. LT Productions. There are two untitled MCU films later for February 2026, November 226. Do you know anything about this? Still happening? Are they filmed yet?

Love you guys. Thank you. I would assume that the November 2026 is Spider-Man. Wasn't that because that was originally blade, wasn't it? uh well it's at every release date they was on every day blades always coming out and never coming out yeah blade was supposed to come out

five times already it's trodinger's blade it is in the boxes it out of the boxes it coming out doesn't exist no no i would say the november one is probably because from all we what all we know right now is that it's there's doomsday spider man secret wars right uh yeah

i think so because shung chi's delayed that's kind of nice yeah i like that Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Raymond. In real life, I think Bucky would win an election since he's 90. Already, older voters know him.

Older white men can sit in the election. Because he would have that old school World War II values. They'd probably be like, yeah, because you don't have those real men, you don't have real men like that anymore. He's got boomer energy, but in a young, beautiful millennial face. I loved that 90s joke that they made or the 90s joke they made. That was good. Yeah, that was good.

Shay shout out to being here for a good time not a long time thank you shay um okay guys you're at 67 fighting close fighting close trying to get to 151 shea markell shout out to not nerffing the cast they all felt like elite shadow agents from elena to taskmaster ghost and walker they were all so badass yeah it was their introduction to how they all meet each other is great too that was fun and i'm so glad they didn't give that away in the trailers like this movie was marketed so well there's only one scene that I wish. And it's only because of context of me putting it together. But the rest of the marketing was so perfect that I didn't feel like I was piecing this movie together. Yeah. Great. Shane Markell, I have commentary on Bucky. I'll wait for spoilers. Join us Monday and Friday to

to talk about it. I really don't know. E. Roberts, Christian, don't forget our bet. I'm not. You PayPal me. I'll PayPal me. I'll PayPal you're right back when I want to. I want to have to. I'm not even going to have to PayPal because when you get Winston. All right. Hold on. So I'm not even going to have to do that because if you if you put that money in there, it's going to stay in there because there's no world that you're going to win. There's no world. So wait, wait. He thinks that Thunderbolts is going to do better worldwide, all time run than Fantastic Four.

There's no world. The only way that that happens is Fantastic Four would have to completely eat dog shit. And then the marvel is in serious trouble. Right. It has to be a complete. They're putting everything on Fantastic. for it is the lead up to Avengers Doom's Day. There is no

world. Did you see this in IMAX? I did. So, so did you also get the IMAX countdown was a Fantastic Four advertisement for this movie? Like that's, that's how much Marvel's like, no, no, no, no, no, Fantastic Four. And you tell you, E. Roberts, you tell me, you know,

you want, you want to, you want to, again, throw it, do it now. You can email, you can email me your PayPal address in case you'll, you want to throw in it, throw a $1,000 super chat right now? Go ahead. Have a blast. And you're not going to get it back because you're going to lose.

But I'll definitely pay it back and then give you a thousand if it turned out to be true. So it's up to you. I wish I could travel into the future and make a $1,000 bet with your ass. You want to, you want a bet on? Hell no, I know better than that. I just said that's fantastic. I know. I'm a corn emperor.

Thunderbolts was so good. Hopefully, hopeful for week two. Yeah, that's going to be the main thing. Corn Emperor. Oh, yeah. So let's say, Koi, I'm curious to see what you think. So there's E. Roberts, who's a loyal viewer, wants to bet me $1,000. And which I'm, I said, I'll take it.

100%. I will take it. He thinks that the overall box office run for Thunderbolts will be more in the long run than Fantastic Four. Yeah, exactly. I think it'll be, I think Thunderbolts will be the one I enjoy more, but I think Fantastic for is huge name recognition and there's so much curiosity. They're banking on this to be the centerpiece to get you to doomsday.

Yeah, exactly. And you're also talking about just the name, despite however many bad movies have happened every now and again, the name of the Fantastic Four being a worldwide name. Yeah. Versus Thunderbolts, most people have no idea what the hell that is. And you can ask Winston, you can ask Roca, you can ask, call, you can ask, I don't lose bets like this often.

I just don't. I don't make these bets unless I know I'm going to win, and I will win this. Now, I'll tell you this much, if Thunderbolts goes on a Guardians-type run, and we had had a world where this was Thunderbolts 3 versus Fantastic 4, I would take that bet, but that's not what this is. If it's just Thunderbolt's first movie, and everyone loved it, Fantastic 4 comes out, and everyone's like, it's just okay. And then in two years from now, Thunderbolt's 2 comes out,

and then Fantastic 4-2 comes out, I'm going to be a little more hesitant. But it also depends on where does it line up? Is Thunderbolts 2 going to be right before the next Avengers movie? This is the movie in July right before the next Avengers movie to set it up. There's just no way. It's part of the reason why, let's just, let's call a spade of spade here, part of the reason why Captain Marvel made a billion dollars the first time.

Yes. I enjoy Captain Marvel. I like it. There are problems with it. It was the setup piece. purely rode the back of, we just finished Infinity War, we're a train wreck right now.

I would argue that Captain Marvel was probably like a solid, like $5,500 million movie, and instead it became a billion dollar movie because you were in between Infinity War. It was the second one after Infinity War. It was the second one. Because it was Ant Man as well. It was Amman 2.

And then, yeah, and it was the one, it was right before, I wonder if they flip-flop, what Ant-Man 2 would have been? the billion-dollar movie. The Batman 2 did not make a billion dollars. I wonder. So Corn Emperor,

everyone I watched it with, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10-10, great, I love that. I love hearing that. Motor Roland, that was a therapy session. I didn't know I needed. Real talk, man. I'm in therapy and I'm working on stuff.

And then some of the things that got brought up and said, I was like, damn, including one character in particular, just talking about how they had no purpose. That whole conversation, conversation was beautiful. Yeah, it was. It was good. Corn Emperor, support for Winston and Coy.

At 71, guys, 71 with half an hour to go. You're in content. Come on. Chey Markell, I felt not only did the characters have respect for each other, but the movie itself had respect for the characters also. No Luke Skywalker treatment. Agreed. Sean McCabe, the great Sean McCabe.

There's so much for, thanks so much for all the hard work you guys put in. Thank you. My buddy's annoyed about Fantastic Four being on Alternate Earth. He's a Kirby Lee Purist thoughts. I think it's, I think it's imperative right now. You have to put it on it. We've been in the MCU too long. Where would they have been?

And I get being a purist, but like it just, the MCU is inherently going to be different. Yeah, it makes absolutely no sense to put them. Because they're like, what the hell will they do and scratching their ass the whole time? The only way that that would have worked is this would have still had to have been some sort of like time travel movie or something that that did that. And then you're again talking about alternate universes because we've talked about timelines. and Loki the gada stories and how that's how you actually split. So yeah, no, there's no way it doesn't work otherwise. No.

Corn Emperor 151 reminds me in my 20s, Picardy 151. Roxy's working on the 151. My God. Man, that broke. I have a bottle in my house still on the darkest of days. Man, one of a one is a hell of a beverage. Does it still exist? Yeah.

I don't know if they ever, if they discontinued the product. Oh, it's not like for Loco. No one drinks that for fun. Four Loco. Yeah, Mark, Mark, I'll score for McCabe's beard. yes that's what he does uh rafts uk raft and just saw thunderbolts who is sam's team well i don't want to get into that yet i don't want to get into that join us on monday and friday and shay markell do you guys care about the f1 brad pit movie very much so that's kaczynski right yeah top gunnaverick

director yeah and so apparently it's getting really good buzz too and i saw the first 10 minutes at cinema con it was crazy at that the energy and it's so kinetic and like intense i'm excited uh shay markel I want dams and endgers to drop brick-by-brick moments in every franchise including Marvel was I don't know if I understand that me either you got to explain to shame sorry I thought I thought I thought brick-by-brick was like a song so he signed like the will smith thing like where we get like you know tie-in stuff that's what that I thought yeah my choice Winston congrats on the gig there you appreciate it thank you thank you spidey sensei 72 heard rumors of Adrian Arjona for Wonder Woman, please and thank you.

Who are your top three choices to cast for Wonder Woman to make it easier? It can be an actress, you know. I got it. Andrea Arjona for one, AJ Arjona for two, Asia Arjona for three. Although I will tell you that I like Elizabeth Merced, who she's doing a great job in Last of Us. She's hot girl. So, yeah. So, AJ Arjona.

I go, Andrea Arjona, Adria, Adjona, and Isaac Gonzalez. I go, Adriana Arjona, Asjona, Ashona, and then Salma Hayek. Samahyak. Frosty girl. Frosty became a new YouTube member. Thank you, Frosty Girl. I appreciate that. Very much so.

Okay, next one. And this is Nerds Engage. Without giving away spoilers at the end. Do you think that was all part of her plan for real? Or was that her final ace of her sleeve to save her? her ass the latter the ladder the ladder yeah also someone in the chat just said uh the incredible actors from um the bob dillon movie what's her name oh she was good the one to played um monica barbaro yeah she'd be great dude she had so much presence arjona is just so

captivating the way she speaks is so like i've lived lives yeah yeah and she's only 32 corn emperor don't forget to like subscribe and share thank you corn emperor what a nice super chat that was Um, okay, 73. Mark Long, the accountant to extended edition is just more of Ben Affleck dancing and dating. Can't wait. Did you see, you saw it also, right? It's really good. Dude, it's so much fun.

That movie's just a joy. Did you watch Gavin's interview with Matt Sarah? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, dude, you were right. He, like, they are bros. And that thing he, the story he told about De Niro. And it was just so good. I couldn't believe he told it on here.

I also could not believe that, like, yeah, I was, that he was comfortable to tell that in the public forum that's like a sit around your house whiskey story that was crazy percent yeah coolly hi hey fam what's up good times my amazing daughter's graduating for junior high school oh that's watching you all as i do christian my wife loves your movie reviews it's very kind she said if christian said it's good man what a nice comment that is thank you i'm so good yeah and it is good and you're gonna like it she's gonna like it you guys are gonna you guys gonna thank um bob that's that's what a what a wonderful wonderful comment that was and I'm so glad I got a chance to meet

Coley and his family when we did the Atlanta event when damn that was a long time ago was that the one where people got stuck at the airport it wasn't the airport it was stuck on the road because of the uh no you're thinking the airport was um was Chicago that was that was that was Star Wars celebration um

but no this was this was there was a marathon or something happening in Atlanta and it's and everybody and the roads were just we got there just in time to set up. It was pretty crazy. But I met him and his family and they were super sweet people. Harrison Martin. I hated how they killed spoiler and Thunderbolts. Oh, well, I'll have to talk about whatever that might mean. I don't know what that means. Okay. Next one after that. And that is from Christian Madard. My dad didn't know who any of the

characters were except for Bucky, but he still liked it better than cap four. I like the two versions of the century. Yeah, that's a great point. I would like to see people who saw it, who didn't see Black Widow and didn't see it and how they and like how it does transfer over you heard any of that coy of anybody who's seen that well it's so same like my fiancee I hadn't seen any bucky or Black Widow like she didn't know any of them and loved it like she got so much out of this what about yourself Winston you hear people who've seen this without it um I no not really because I I same thing I went to go see it early so then because then I had to hit set so I haven't had a chance to talk to people yet outside of like kind of this and some discourse I've seen on Twitter. Okay. Corn Emperor catch proxy. Thanks, Corey. And he's, we shall

see. Respect. Perfect. That's respect at 75. And then we go to test. Is it just MCU or the comics also 90% based us? Based in the U.S. I don't know what that one was. Test.

sorry I don't think we got that one you got this test Mike Joyce one century versus a hundred gorillas who wins century century come on now but but you know outside outside of that the guerrillas kick the shit out of everybody toobalt swordsman as someone who thinks Lilo and Stitch is going to do big box office I think Disney should adapt a little known animated films over the Disney Princess movies some examples of Atlantis the lost empire treasure planet you know the The other one is Black Cauldron. They should do that one also.

They should do one. Perusive groove. Yeah. You should do those. Yeah. Lilo and Sitch is going to crush. Yeah. It's going to crush.

I keep saying this. I told this a million times over. I say this every freaking show. There is very little for families to see throughout the year. Very little for families to see. Like you've got, you just had Minecraft, obviously, but like they've got nothing to see.

So Lilo is going to be the first thing that I could take my kids to. And that, and you look at the, that's what happened with, with freaking inside out last year. It's like, it was like, it made a billion, didn't it? I don't know inside a month.

I didn't believe it did or it got real close. I think it did. I'm telling you, if you hit, if you can get families into the theater, you're going to do very, very well. I think Lilo's got a shot. I think Lilo, I think Freakier Friday has a shot. A billion?

Did he hit a billion? No, you're specifically talking a billion. I thought you meant to do well. Oh, to do no, to do well. Yeah, I thought off the conversation we were having, you were saying, Billion. I thought you just meant to do well. Yeah, yes, Friggy Friday has a chance to be because of the, I wonder, though, that would have been a streaming movie. Is it past its time?

Sure. I can understand that. But potentially, I think that's at that sweet spot, though, where you could get moms who were kids or teenagers when the first one came out to want to take their little girls now to go see that together. I think that that might be pretty well. It almost seems like a streaming movie, though. I don't know. I don't know, but you're not wrong. It could be a surprise hit.

Kenya King. Shung Chi should have been as grounded as Thunderbolts. Yeah, I liked Shung Chi up until the third, the third act. When it was grounded, I liked it more. Yeah, same. And the dragon flying all over the place and all that. I was like, yeah, I'm exhausted. And I'm going, I'm going to, that's the next.

I've only seen it once. And I'm going to watch it. I'm very curious to see what I feel about it the second time. I liked it better the second time. Everybody was in love with Shang Chi the first time. And I was like, it's good. It's very good. But I wasn't as obsessed as everybody else was.

The second go-round, I actually really liked it a lot better. This is actually pretty hilarious. Tyler Fyfer, Minecraft gave us chicken jockey and Thunderballis gave us. I could not believe that joke made that, like, the final cut. I was like, that was amazing. It was so good. Oops. Let's see. Perfect. Go pal.

Hannah John came in was the lead of a show called Killjoy's Pre-Pendemic and Antman. It was a cool sci-fi show about bounty hunters. Nice. Never saw it. She was so good in this. Yeah. It really is one of those things that just worked. Tyler Fiverabke.

Oh, shit. Hell of erase. Corn Emperor. My friend and I were reminiscing on Iron Man. we watched the screening before it came out i swear fikey was there it was at the old hollywood arc light maybe so i would be right to the hollywood arclay yeah uh pitchu thank you now we have the pout law back in town look folks i didn't hail the fart out of pews trout starfish perpenter i got and then breathe it back there yes but palt while we've had that conversation i

know i know you you you love her brandon any thoughts on moblin on Paramount. I watched episode one. Really, Doug, you know who loves? You know who loves Mob Land is Sarah? My God, he loves that show. People love that show. Have you guys watched me?

I haven't seen any of it. I love Tom Hardy, though. Did you? Yeah, me, you, and my dad and Sarah are the only four people who liked havoc. I still haven't seen it yet. I really liked it. I had so much fun with it. Me too.

Me too. People hate it. Armada. Ryan Cougar should do a Suki movie. A Yaski movie? You're asking me? I don't hate the idea. That's the black samurai, right?

I don't hate that idea if he wanted to, if he wanted to go for that. Yeah. I still stand by. I really hope that somewhere he has an outline for the Native American vampire hunters and give me more of that because I just resaw Cesar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're great. Farrow vibes.

Thunderbolts outside the trauma dumping and therapy session is a solid. movie i wish they explored the team aspect more focusing on yelina was man really movie it's like an LA writer using this project to work out their issues a five out of ten i thoroughly disagree i thoroughly disagree and i also go by the fact that doesn't make sense thunderbolts outside the trauma and dumbing is a solid movie a solid movie isn't a five out of ten yeah that's also like the therapy was like an asset of humanizing i i just did it's i just especially from the standpoint of see it's weird to not talk

about some stuff without getting into spoiler territory but I think the one thing that people keep forgetting about art and some of our favorite art of all time because that's what movies are yes it's a movie business you have to find a way to humanize bring in and talk about some hard stuff one of the best

parts about the dark night is the essentially the boat situation between the prisoners and the civilians and the idea of what is humanity really thinking the darkest thoughts of people like we had to dive in to human psyche so i barely disagree personally yeah agreed uh crawton rudder london calling what's up carlton thunderbolts was a breath of fresh air character over into connecticut and pew is a bona fide star and bucky was

t-800 on the bike he sure he never ran the t-2 of it all absolutely did stay down Brooklyn watching Donnie beat Nazis to death is the closest we ever get to go into the movies. That's from Inglorious Bastards. Speaking of something I didn't get a chance to say before, I'm very excited about saying is go Nix. That's right. That's right. Winston, you upset that the Lakers didn't make it?

Yeah, I'm except that Luca didn't make it. That bums me out. I said this. I wanted nothing more than for Luca to go the distance. could look at Nico and Harrison in the face and be like who's fat now bitch yeah well that that was that's looked like a bust of a bust of a whole thing that was really bad that was but i but i would still make the argument they're in better position than the mavericks are right now sure yeah yeah Kyle Wilson hello gents what's up Kyle love thunderbolts love everyone's backstory I like

walker now yeah that that's a great point yeah that is a great point this movie made people like Walker uh who was your standout performance I can't decide great and subtle standout performance i think that the given is florence pew i mean the given is that it's her movie i think to stand out is louis pullman he really really impressed me and that's not an easy performance especially with the way they decided to use the character because depending on where you look in the comics it's not always necessarily how bob acts right um and so that was that was a very specific choice but a choice that i think truly worked um and and and really was like vibing but because like we talked about this with guardians three my only downset of guardians three is adam warlock i did not

like oh yeah yeah and and and that considering where he's at in the comics so yeah i thought pullman was the was the surprise standout i'll put i'll put to do that way can you king bucky is used best as the terminator and u.s agent had the best suit as well written better than the cap and winter soldier blink if you like the post credit all right um i don't think we need to Blinkly, we've said it a million times. Mr. Andy Fanatic, the Walker would have manhandled. Oh, this Walker would have been handling the flags.

Yeah, yeah. Well, he didn't have, he didn't have the serum at that point. He did, remember, he got it, but I think it's, he has a lot more experience now using it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, true. I could out sulfates, you did?

Nice job. You did? Nice job. I got out of soul page to hear of our own video. Good job. Farrow vibes. I'm generally worried for. people who love the therapy and trauma dumping in Thunderbolts. Well, that's everybody, because most people are going to love it. We watch Hero Movies for, no, hold on, let me,

I'm going to rewrite this for you. I'm going to rewrite this for you. I'm generally worried for people who love the therapy and trauma dumping in Thunderbolts. I watch Hero Movies for Escapism, not to be reminded of struggles. I'll watch our well-researched documentary. Okay, so you, if you're for yourself, that's not how everybody watches. And again, if it is a matter of, it just feels like that to you, then I can see why it takes you out of it. It didn't, felt like it was at all fit for me. And from what the majority of people here are saying,

seems like it worked for them. So you just seem to be in the minority of this thing, but you can't say we watch hero movies first case, but that's just not true. One of the absolute best elements of endgame by a mile is Thor, whether or not he feels like he's still worthy. The man is dealing with depression.

He's got the like the keg instead of the six pack. He genuinely is out here in these streets be like, I am trash. I can't do this anymore. And then seeing his mom and talking to his friends, held him rebuild his confidence. That is one of the things that I think of when I think of that movie. It's like that and on your left. So like I, I again, personally, vehemently disagree, but you were entitled to your opinion. Yeah, of course.

I'm yeah, like I said, that's why I just wanted to be ready to say, I, if he feels that way, he feels that way, it just took him out of it. But to say that that's only where everybody else watches it, it's just not, it's just not correct. corn emperor i love the comic con energy favorite new show preview i've ever seen was the following the first season and emis episode were 100% now i'm excited for cc i'm not sure what cia is but i love the rest of this yes i'm not sure uh thank you for that corn meersam support lovely gents coy winston and christian thank you so much got another member in here we're getting a lot of members the last couple days harris mcgrade came a new youtube member what a great

time to be a member not only do we have new um unedited reactions coming i'm actually speaking of black widow i'm going to put my unedited reaction of black widow up today that's the goal and um and then yeah we got q and a's live streams coming this month and the capes and cal's comic book yeah jake one century versus 100 mike's internet who wins the internet oh mike's internet Mike's internet, Sentry just lags out. That's so good. So funny, so there was somebody yesterday on the show, because Mike and I have known each other for like 25 years,

whatever, too, and so I was like, questions mean to Mike. I'm like, you've seen the way mean Mike talks to me sometimes? Yesterday's show, I'm mean to Mike. Sniff a fart. Go pal. Gunn is collecting Brazilian. supermodels for DCU, but I don't know the current ones.

I'd say Bruna, Marquesne with Andrea and L. And I see that, but she's a boo. Kind of collecting. Oh, I see. I see. I see. I see. But he didn't, he didn't cast for a little beetle, though.

He wasn't. That's before his time. So, um, sorry. I'll just write in somebody back. Um, okay. anyway let me get to the next question here and i'm very excited to see who they do wind up casting as wonder woman if that they're but they're going to wait for that until superman does

corn corn emperor pew is now the future mccu co-leader right i mean she's certain she's certainly one of the bigger players in the game right now for sure tyler fifer do sentry and warlock cancel each other out anybody bueller i think i think sentry could take on this At least MCU century and the MCU Warlock would be a competition. I think in the comics would be an interesting fight. I don't know. Very interesting fight in the comics, but yes, no. This is...

Until you brought up Warlock just now, Winston, I had forgotten about him. But that's the only reason why y'all kept being like Guardians by far the best. And I was like, that was the one hanging chat in that whole movie that I was like, I really did not like what they did with him in there. No, I didn't. I just, yeah, I completely forgot about it. Um, okay. Let's see next one after that.

And that is, Oh, Comic Con International, San Diego. Oh, thank you. I've never, SDCC is what we usually. David Triana, the exchange that hit for me was,

we all have regrets. And then, but I have so many seeing it a second time tonight. That's another good question, by the way. Another great question is how is the, um, um,

how is the rewatch? Yeah, how is the rewatch? I've already seen it. twice and I'm probably going to wait a week and see it a third time at some point. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm going to see. I'm going to probably wait for Sam to watch it with me again when it comes out and

digital. It'll probably be out digital like, you know, probably like what, 60 days? Well, hopefully it has legs and it's more back to the 90, but it won't be the 30 that the, uh, a lot of recent movies have been. True. Um, last one for now. Commenting. Thank you.

Do you think centuries powers can be the way. we get Dr. Doom's backstory in Doomsday, since he's probably the only one that could put hands on him. I don't know. It's hard to say. I still think that he's probably going to end up farming Scarlet Witch, and they're just hiding that they're not going to openly announce that. But I think he's going to, unless we're just going to meet molecule man,

I don't know where. Or you could also try and take Franklin because, I mean, The Fantastic Four trailer has made it very clear that she's pregnant. Right. So you're either going to farm Franklin, you're going to farm Scarlet Witch. I don't think you farm sentry based off of how his powers work. True.

Horton says, how far are we from 152? Still a little bit away. You guys are there at 87 with the show about to call it. It's something. Damn. Yeah. Carlton Rudder,

this is a great example of when better writing serves the characters then become they become real people yep walker and ghost are the best example 100% seeing in sunday and iMacs yes that is a great point it's just like you believe they're not just actors doing something they're actually people that you're watching on screen i think ghost we talked about standard performances and i want to say i think ghost is the MVP of most improved like of the of this face like what a what an incredible turnaround yeah um for now last one sean mccabe great to see you guys enjoy the week how much love thank you sean sure we'll see you uh next week for sure and for people that have been asking.

Like I said, Sam will be back next week. Tina is going to be doing the third final destination with me next week. That'll be coming up. And, yeah, I have Andor and Last of Us and all that coming up as well. So this is actually the last one. Just kidding. And Tyler Fiver says, 2014 Thanos versus Century. Which one was 2014 Thanos?

Was that, was that, was that Guardians? that was guardians yeah probably this century yeah it was infinity war then yeah I would even venture a guess that Jesus man century might have been able to go toe to toe with like gauntlet Thanos like there's a certain level of just ass whooping like

yeah exactly I don't be some of these comments so stupid um anyway but everybody else has been great. So when is Sam back? Next week. There you go. All right. Coy, let us know where can they find you real quick. What's the channel name?

Come me down at Coy, Jondro, C-O-J-A-N-D-R-E-A-U and D-C-Sud and D-C-Sud high volume and Real Rejects and Coycast and not sleeping. Winston. YouTube.com slash Swaggy Blur. Twitch-D-Waggy Blurred. Spilled to the T-K-L-E-L-L-E-L-L-C-L-E-L-E-L-C-L-E-L-E-L-C-L-E-L-E-L-C-E. right back here for capes and cows thank you guys for being here apple podcast Spotify this will be on Spotify as I just said

I'm gonna tell you should go to that clips channel very important to go to that clips channel appreciate it uh and again Tyler Pfefer for end game that was in 2014 that was end game is 2019 and end game probably have a better shot oh you know what you know what no no no I think the 2014 Thanos is in remember they time travel so that is the Thanos that fights and end game oh I'm seeing but he still didn't have the gauntlet. He had it, but he didn't necessarily have the stones yet.

He had a few. He didn't have the stones. So I'd say infinity war. Thanos is going to be more powerful. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Listen, thank you guys for being here.

We appreciate you. We'll see you guys back here on Monday for the spoiler discussion with myself and Roka. And that's it. So I appreciate you. We'll see you on the flip side. Master? 100%.