The Kristian Harloff Show - Thunderbolts* SPOILER REVIEW! And Marvel's 10 Year X-Men Plan!

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

On today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, we're diving deep into a full Thunderbolts spoiler review*! Now that Marvel's latest Phase 5 film has hit theaters, we're breaking down everything — from shocking twists to standout performances, big character reveals, and where this film leaves the MCU moving forward. But that's not all… We also discuss the future of the X-Men in the MCU, as new insider reports tease Marvel's 10-year X-Men plan! From casting rumors and potential solo films to crossovers and major saga-building strategies, we examine how Marvel Studios could finally be building toward a true mutant era. 🔍 Topics in this episode include: Full Thunderbolts spoiler breakdown* What worked and what didn't in the film Florence Pugh, Sebastian Stan, and David Harbour's performances Easter eggs and post-credit scene analysis X-Men in the MCU: What Kevin Feige may be planning Possible timelines for Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, and more What this means for Avengers: Secret Wars Whether you're excited for Marvel's mutant future or have strong thoughts about Thunderbolts*, this is the spoiler-heavy deep dive you don't want to miss. 👇 Sound off in the comments — what did YOU think of Thunderbolts*, and how should Marvel handle the X-Men reboot? #Thunderbolts #MarvelXMen #ThunderboltsSpoilerReview #MCU #MarvelPhase5 #KristianHarloff #XMenMCU #FlorencePugh #SebastianStan #MarvelNews TRADE COFFEE: Trade is exclusively offering our listeners 40% off your first order at https://www.drinktrade.com/KRISTIAN   

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Did it hit the 85 million opening weekend? No, it did not. Did it crash and burn? No, it did not. How's it going to do in week two? We don't know. But what we do know is we'll be doing some spoiler discussions. Marvel decided, hey, maybe to get more people in week two,

we're going to reveal exactly what the asterisk is, let people see it. Good move, bad move. There's other things as far as what the Thunderbolts writer wanted to do. there's other people that are supposed to be in it. So this is going to be a spoiler heavy conversation. So if you haven't yet seen the movie, I suggest not being here. We also have some plans for Marvel.

What they want to do, there's a 10-year plan, apparently with the X-Men. So we will take a look at that. And people yelled at me from my Last of Us reaction last night. And to which I say, who curse? So that being said, it's my. myself, John Roka on the show. Let's get into it. You ready? Yeah, me too. Here we go. How are you? Welcome back to the channel. It is Monday and joining me on the show as always. John Roker. What's up, John? How you doing? Hold on. Where'd you go? Where'd you go? There we are.

What's up, everybody? How's it going? Happy Monday. Happy Monday. Yeah, Monday, Monday, Monday. And we will kind of cover everything going on in the world. The here with Thunderbolts and all that. But I think what we should start off with is the box office, right? Okay, sure. That was the conversation overall, or what we were expecting this thing to do.

And when we kept predicting it because of word of mouth, we said 85, 86, I think originally it was clocking in around 75. And then once the word of mouth came out, they said, oh, maybe it'll do more. So it didn't. It did around 76 million. Sinners did exactly what it was supposed to do week two and did around 33 million. Minecraft still what is Minecraft that like overall what is that?

Oh you look at 73 8773 crazy 873 and then you look at centers so far slowing down I thought it would get to a billion it might not even get to a billion now I just think that we're getting to a place now where you know more movies are coming out and you know too many movies yeah and Lilo and Stitch is right around the corner and that's going to be where the feelings are going to go now um the accountant too did pretty good with 9.5 and then I finally saw it over the weekend. Really enjoyed it. It was good, right? Yes. But Thunderbolts, if you look at Thunderbolts,

Thunderbolts now has 76. It did around 86 international with 162. So it's going to make its production budget back pretty soon, probably within the week. And we're right back to where we said we would be. It's all about week two. Yeah. What kind of drop are you going to have? because if you have a 50 to 65% drop, you're going to struggle a little bit. Yeah, I mean, word of mouth as you said, it's going to be really important here. And it already came in lower than Captain America,

four numbers. But I mean, then again, I mean, the Captain America is more of a baked in. And it probably, and Captain America probably cost $700,000. Probably like four. A lot of, I've seen a lot of rumors of $400 million.

So I don't know with all the reshoot and stuff. I think there's something very positive who said about this. like we said about sinners when it first when it came out like you know i think there's a lot of positive things to be said about the box office performance of this movie considering you know some of these characters are from mc u shows that people probably haven't even watched so i was really impressed to see what it did yes i was hoping for 80 to 85 or maybe even 90 dreaming pie in the sky stuff but 76 is about where they predicted it it's got really great reviews really great uh reviews from people meta score and all of that. So hopefully that's enough to inspire people. And there's a lot of

positive videos about it all over the internet. So hopefully that will keep it going and have it have some legs over the next two to three weeks. But if I was Marvel, I'd be happy considering all the hoops. They had to jump through and all the hurdles they had to overcome to just get this movie out. So yeah. If I'm Marvel, I'm walking in. I'm saying, all right, good start. Yeah, good start. Good job, everybody. Yeah. And everybody's like let's, and everybody is sitting around biting their nails waiting for week two. Yeah. That's how it's going to go because it's the same thing.

Like if you saw Mufasa's numbers and like Aquaman 2's numbers, week one, you're going and then the Aquaman 2, I think at least made a profit or at least, you know, broke even. And that started a real slow as compared to the first one. And then you look at again, Mufasa, which kept climbing up, climbing up, climbing up. And granted, different audience. But if you are able to do that, if you can't, it's going to be another. disappointment. However, the difference is this, in my opinion. Critically, they were able to win back a lot of people. Yes. You're not going back everybody. There's people there. I saw some people just going after it to go after

there. Some people who just didn't like it. And there's other people who you're like, I don't know, can I trust you? You seem to hate everything now. But there's other people who you're like, okay, they didn't like it. They give the reasons why I understand. I don't agree with it. But I understand it. But it seemed to get the goodwill back of a lot of people who were like, what are they doing? Same shit. This is like a solid movie. So even if it winds up breaking even or losing a little money,

not great for the box office and not great for the wallet for Marvel, but good for the psyche. Yes, especially as a Marvel fan, right? Because it hasn't been a positive situation that we've seen overall with Marvel recently and even Daredevil Born Again as much as the end. on a high note with those last two episodes. It did really, I don't think it broke into the top 10 streaming numbers overall. So there've been a lot of ramifications of Marvel's path over these last two phases.

And of course, there are people who defend these phases and feel free comparing them to other phases and what have you. But you can't deny that the pop culture mainstream isn't as excited about Marvel as it was before. And it's clear that they're voting with their eyes and with their pocketbook. And so you're seeing that play out not only on the beach. big screen but on the small screen as well and so it's going to take a few movies to get people excited back into marvel so i think this is a good start this is like the opening act this is

really opening act i'm really excited about it let's see i've heard this uh you know this star is really good i want to see them in concert that's the fantastic four that's your headlining act right now if those two go a one two back to back that's really good then i think you're going to see a little bit of an upturn with marvel but we also don't know how ironhard is going to go they've done almost no promotion for that. And it's coming out in June. Right. But even you're not wrong.

But I still think that you're not in a place, though, if that show doesn't do well, you're not in a place where you should start panicking because you really have to. No, because you're getting in a place where, like, Fantastic Four has to deliver, obviously. Yes, 100%. And if even if this, I feel like the second weekend for Thunderbolts, I don't think it's going to be like sinners where you're like, whoa, look at it. Only 6%. I think it's going to have a significant drop.

Right. But I think it's going to be enough that it builds. And if you look at it, you got to, I think you got to make like something like 380 or something in 400 in order to break even for this movie. I think they'll do that. But it's going to be, they're going to, they're going to have to push to get there. I don't think they're getting to, I don't think they're like four to 450 tops on this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Four, I think you're is probably, yeah, on the high side. I think four is like, they'd be happy with four, right? But yeah, but I hope it gets there.

But yeah, it was heavy spoilers, he said, for as good as Thunderbolts is, it's underperforming. Daredevil Bournegan didn't even hit the streaming top 10 and Cap 4 didn't even break even. So you hope that if Thunderbolts is bringing back some of that goodwill, you hope Ironheart just kind of continues it. And I hear you, it might not damage it, but you're hoping it uplifts it even more.

You want, yeah, of tomorrow, of course. You want boom, boom, hit, hit, hit. Yeah, and it's just like, But movie wise is really where you're going to gain it, right? Yeah, yeah. If your quality, if you have a Thunderbolts movie, which came out the way it was, and even if it does, whatever it winds up doing, you're not, you don't love the box office, but you love the reception at God.

Right. And then you followed up with Fantastic Four and the, the, the budget, the box office and critically claim works going into Avengers, you're still in a good spot. Yeah. I agree. You know, if you were, if you had the, if you had bad numbers and bad reviews, after Captain America, then you go into Fantastic Four

and Fantastic Four also doesn't perform and it doesn't do it. Then you're in trouble. I think they push themselves a little bit out of trouble with making the movie as good as it was. Yes, agreed. Yeah. But I wonder what you guys think about the box office in general. Do you think that this is something that, you know,

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i suggest not watching because we're going to be getting into it and the first thing is the asterisk man it was like this is look at that following the thunderbolts release marvel studios has revealed the first posters for the new avengers which of course at the end, they reveal that that's who they are. Marvel Studios is no longer keeping Thunderbolts a big asterisk secret under wraps as the studio has officially released series of posters with the new Avengers name front and center. Check it out. The secret is officially out as Marvel Studios has shared a series of social media posts

with posters for the new Avengers, the movie formerly known as Thunderbolts, might seem premature so soon after opening weekend, but a video featuring the cast revealing the title change, clearly taking during the premiere, confirms that this has been the plan for a while now. However, you've got a feel for the taskmaster actor Olga Krilyenko being included in the group shot all things considered. So is this an official title change? It's hard to say, but what else are we supposed to think after seeing these posts? Had Thunderbolt's been a critical and commercial flop, we doubt that Marvel Studios would have Tarnessed the Avengers brand by highlighting

the post credits scene reveal. However, with Thunderbolts receiving widespread acclaim and fans falling in love with these characters, why not make the New Avengers part of the Multiverse saga ahead of Avengers Doomsday released next year? The Exhibitor exclusive posters for Dolby 4DX, RealD, oh, sorry, RealD, 3D, IMAX, screen X, and Fanangil have also been rebranded with

the New Avengers, suggesting this could be considered as the Thunderbolt's new title. When you search for the New Avengers on Letterbox, for example, Thunderbolts is displayed, so spreading the word about the name change looks to have been a deliberate effort by Disney and Marvel. There it is. So they're changing this here.

calling it the new Avengers. Now, this is an interesting question. Okay. Look, part one. Okay. You're showing your cards and you're giving away this big reveal at the very end of the movie, which is the whole point of it. And you're going to,

if you are looking forward to seeing what the hell is going to happen, and they're like, well, they just told you. So clearly they're going to be the new Avengers. And now the question is, how do they get there? Right. Now the other side of it is you had no interest in this movie whatsoever You're a casual viewer

You don't know what's happening And the next thing you know you see posters for New Avengers New Avengers, New Avengers, New Avengers, It's catchy, it'll get your eye And you're going, what the hell's that? And they go, well, that's that Thunderbolts movie It's actually called New Avengers. Oh, really? How?

And then they, it might get people into the theater. Sure. Week two is gonna, this is why I think it's, I understand, I understand both arguments here. I get the argument of the desperation side of it. I get it. I get the argument of you're spoiling a big plot detail. But I also get the argument of, yeah, but let's see what happens and if it affects week two.

Because if you look and let's say week two has a 10% drop or 20% drop because of the new title, you'd have to or or you have to assume that the new title had something to do with it. But what do you make of all this? I think it's a fascinating decision that they've made here. or campaign that they've pushed PR-wise. Yeah, I'm fascinated by it because it's just like the chairs, right? The chairs thing that you did a whole video on. And a lot of people made a lot of views off of watching a bunch of chairs for five and a half hours.

You can argue about it, but you can't argue its effect and how many people watched it. So you look at this and there seems to be a new approach to how they're doing things here, PR-wise, and how they're doing things marketing-wise at Marvel. They're trying to try new things. So this is the approach they have with Underbolts. Put the asterisk there so that everyone thinks it's a completely different team and it's something else. Then you reveal what you reveal at the end in the post-credits. It's not even in the movie.

It's at the post-crediting that it's revealed, right? So it's like right at the end of the movie, but really in the post-credits scene where you see them fully being the New Avengers, which is what I'm getting at. And so you wait till that moment. Now you've blown that end. by putting this out there because you're trying to get people to come see the movie. So it could work and it could blow up in their faces

because they can be like, well, why do I need to go see the movie? Now I know they're the New Avengers. I guess look at them on the poster and I know they're the New Avengers and they've already told me that they survived the movie. So I just have to focus on Doomsday next. I don't even have to go see it. So it could be genius to get people in theater. It could also get people not to go to the theater because they don't need to watch it.

So they know what happens. I mean, it's true. Look, the one side of it is, as you said, just said, well, we know, I survived the movie. Well, Taskmaster's buried in the back and she doesn't survive the movie. So we know that. People crying about that. Right. But I'm just saying, but you look at it and I think that the point of it is though, of the movie, yes, you can make an argument that the whole point is that I'm having to work together, learn how to do it. Like, even when they show up at the end to kind of unite to save Bob, you know, it's like they have to do

it together and they have to find you there. And there's a whole, that's why I kept referencing like that whole inception moment, like that whole thing, because that's inception, the whole, the whole way that the feel, the tone, everything about it was very inception. And then they can't,

they need to trust each other and work together. And it's, that is, okay, well, how is this group gonna work together? I don't think that the whole movie is about them becoming the Avengers.

They're just kind of happened to, by circumstance, turn into the Avengers. It's about them being group. It's about them being able to work together. It's about the team. Right. As a team.

It's not, but it's, but it's more so, wouldn't you agree that the movie is about them having to work together to find out how they're going to exist as a team? Of course, yes, 100%. But we have so many. You want to be the Avengers. Sure.

Yeah. And we have so many movies like that, right? Yeah. So it's a matter of, well, what's going to make this one different that make me want to get in the theater? And look, the reviews are the reason. A lot of people's positive reviews, a lot of people's positive word of mouth on the movie. You want to go have fun with a movie like this, with a Marvel movie,

super hero team up movie, then come have fun with this movie. By the end, they are the new Avengers. But if you're the kind of person, it's like, you know what? I was kind of on the fence about it. And now I know that by the end, they are the new Avengers and these are the ones that survived. That's my point here is that I can see people being like, well, I don't need to go see it because I've already seen team up movies. But, of course, completists will want to go. And I think there are people who may be who hesitated going.

Now they know that this is actually going to lead to a bigger story within the MCU and they want to go see it. Yeah. Well, it's also just, it's just that name. Right? It's like if I say to somebody, hey, I'm going to see a movie right now. What are you going to see? Thunderbolt. What's that? I'm going to go see movie. What are you seeing? The New Avengers. It's a Marvel movie. Oh, it's like, what is that? It's about the new Avengers. Oh, all right. Well, I guess I'll go see it. It's, it's a bankable IP. You know? It is. In the same way when you're like, okay, I've got a star to sell it from. You don't have a star to sell it from. No, you don't. And that's the whole. And that's the difference, right? You always say like if you look at like a big. You look at like a big. franchise like star wars you put a big franchise you say or star wars um well we're gonna put ryan gossing in it great it's good it's star wars with ryan gossing that's you know and then if you put someone else in there it's like oh well you are great that person it wasn't daisy ridley that was selling you these really became a star because of star wars right yeah and

the thunderbolts it's like well what's the what the thunderbolt did it's a marvel movie oh like the eternals no it's not like the eternals we swear and it's like the avengers new Avengers, like, oh, who are the new Avengers? It brings a, it brings a mystery and potential excitement about it. Plus, then you go, let me go look at the New Avengers and see what the, oh, doing pretty well on Rotten Tomatoes.

People say, this is pretty good. Hey, there's New Avengers movie. You want to see the Avengers movie? Let's go see the Avengers movie. That could help. It could. It could be back by, like you said, but it could help. Yeah, you go both ways.

And by Star, I hope people will understand. I mean, like, you know, Florence, Pugh, Sebastian, and they're not putting butts in seats like Tom Cruise and all that. So it's like you've got two really good great actors, arguably, and they are stars. They're on their way. This should make Florence Pugh a big.

I hope so. I hope so. I mean, she's she carries the movie for sure, and she's phenomenal in it. And I guess that can get us into the beginning of this movie where it really starts off. You see it quick, that it's her story from

the second. I am curious in the trope where they just did this on, you, like, I'm not going to give a full last of a spoiler thing, because that's not what this episode is, but they do the same type of thing that, I guess it's a minor, minor spoiler. So, but kind of, there's a character that, they're setting you up for like, you're talking to someone, but you know something else is going down.

How about that? That's, it's not the too big, we give a spoiler, but that's the same thing that, and but it's, but it's predictable then now, because everybody's doing it. It's not like, oh, you never really believe, like, when she's showing up and she's, like, talking to someone, you're like, oh, she's clearly talking to someone that's, that is either chained up or beat up or whatever. And it's a funny moment. And it's not them to take it away. Just it's just it's, I don't think if they're trying to trick you that she's actually

talking to somebody, it's not working. But if it's more so like you know what's coming, wait till you see it. And it gets pretty violent. And she winds up killing the scientist and everybody else in the room and she doesn't. Right. She's bored. She's bored at her job. And who hasn't been there?

Right. Right. Right. You know, so and the fact that she wants purpose. So what did you think about like the overall opening? I thought it was great. You know, the energy they brought from the beginning is one of where we are, we've seen,

we've been with Yelena through the Black Widow movie into Hawkeye. And so we've seen her and we've seen what Florence can, Pew can do with that character. And so starting with her now, dealing with the ramifications of everything that came before, which I like, it's a continuity thing, right? I've lost my sister.

My dad hasn't talked to me in a year to find out. she's unhappy with her job because she's being used by Valentina, which is we saw that in the post credit scene where she came up to talk to her. And so we have all of these threads that lead us to this moment here at the beginning. But like you said, there's a universality here. Now, of course, there's mental health stuff here as well because she's clearly depressed. She's in a depression. And so people who understand depression, we know that the things she's talking about can lead to darker places.

But for people who don't have those impulses to go in depression, yes, you feel. everyone has that moment or most people have that moment where they're working a job that they're good at but they hate doing the job they're satisfying and they're born yes exactly and i think that that's and i saw some people who had commented on it about the fact like i didn't need a mental health thing i didn't know it's like it made the characters real yeah Made them real. You're like, oh, I get it. I understand what they're going through. Like, it's not just, they're not just superheroes kicking the shit and everybody. They've got things that they're going through.

And they're like, you would. You would get like the PTSD. Nobody had a problem with Tony. When Tony was going through all the shit, he was going. When he was going through the mental health stuff and Iron Man 3 and all that, too, after the PTSD had from New York, that was always there too. Not even end game. They're all dealing with the loss of everybody from Infinity War.

Yeah. 100%. So what, to show that she's just kind of empty. and what they stayed consistent with, and that's why I said it was so important for people to see the Black Widow movie, and I don't think that's really a great movie, to be honest.

It's like average to best, but it's her relations that the stays consistent because she is the only one when you watch that movie. She wants that family to be real. Yes, she is always, she's holding on to it, and she looks upon Natasha as her sister. She looks upon those two as her mom and dad,

and it's consistent in this. She's looking for the relationship with Lexi. She's looking for the fact. She calls him, dad religiously throughout the whole thing. The scene with him and her when he goes chasing after her down the street, it was great because it gave a different layer to what David Harbor was doing too, because he does the whole, uh, look at me. I'm the red, whatever the hell he is. You know, he's like, you're right. And he's like, look at me. I'm great. And that's hilarious that he does that stuff.

But you need more to him in order for us to care. And that scene did that. Well, and they built to that scene because you had different scenes with him constantly trying to, elevate her, support her, because like when she comes to visit him at that place he's living in, you know, he says, he says, your light is dimming,

your light has dimmed. And when he picks them up in the limo, which is a hilarious, Dad, Don't embarrass me moment. When they're in the limo, he says to her, your light is brighter,

your shining brighter. So he knows her, even though he admits to her in that scene later on, as you were referencing, that he is terrible at being able to be there for someone. He is always supporting them,

even from afar. And so in that moment, he gets the chance to be, just like in Black Widow, when he went in there and sang American pie to her to help her out. And you bring up a great point, Christian.

The reason she wants this family, say the reason she hungers for family is because it was ripped away from her at a younger age than it was Natasha. Like Natasha was a teenager or becoming a teenager. So she was a little more mature when it was ripped away. So she had a little different perspective. Yelena was much younger.

So there is something. that was ripped away from her and then she was thrust into the red room and we saw her memory. So all of that carries into why she feels the way she does about the situation, why it affects her more than it does Natasha. Even the fact when she goes to visit him and he's why he thinks the scene that they put out in the trailer, they think it's DoorDash and they have this whole thing. He's like, I'm doing great. Everything's fine.

And it's a good setup to eventually what comes because when she, and I think as we, I think we both talked about this and agreed, it's the best that Julie Louise Driver's has been in this series because they gave her more often when you talk about that when you when you see after century goes into her mind and you see the backstory of the shit she went through when she was younger with her father i love that element it made you understand all the stuff that she was doing and it's it really isn't why i think that going back to our previous conversation with the new avengers thing it really is the warped it's the warped version of the avengers i mean She's the anti-Nic Fury.

You know, she's the opposite of the kind of black widow. You got Captain America. You have all this and this crazy shit that's going on with this team. I mean, I guess, I don't know who. I guess there's like three Captain America's really got, you got David Harvard, Sebastian, and, and Wyatt Russell. Who again, Wyatt Russell, what they do with him. And it's the best that he is as Walker.

They give him more layers. And it made you like John Walker is what they did in this one, which is really smart because that stuff that, you know, you know he's bullshitting about his family. Yeah. And what he's been going through and the volumes of, in the levels of, you know,

questioning himself and then be his next to the kid in the whole, the whole time. I'm just amazed at people, because I saw some people coming after John Walker that carries like, oh, he's a dead beat dad. He's there. So,

you know, there's a great line, right? What is it? What is it? Don't, he, those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I don't think anybody should be judging these characters

for having, like, real world, real life things occur in their lives. You know what I'm saying? It's different of you judging someone who's like a mass murderer. That's a different situation. All right, this guy killed a terrorist who was connected, who had killed his friend, and he lost control in that moment.

And in that moment, he is paying for the loss of control since that moment. And you see him doom scrolling, which is terrible for anybody to do. I speak from personal experience. And it's affecting his relationship with his wife, with his child. Those are real world things that people go through. So people are going on Twitter who apparently have never committed a sin, never made any, never did anything wrong in their real lives. Coming after him and denigrating him, I thought was just mind-numbingly stupid. All of these characters have something they're overcoming, which makes it a universal movie.

Because we all have stuff we have to overcome every day sometimes in order to function or feel happy or find our way through life. And so it's what was important with all of these characters. I think that I don't think you're wrong, but I think that the, I think that from what I saw, majority of people were, were in support of him. But yeah, they're seen some other ones. Yeah, of course. But you know what's funny is that ghost is also way better in this movie than she wasn't aiming into.

However, I would have liked to seen some scenes with her. And I get it. You're like, well, you already saw her story in the second movie in Ant Man 2. And we know her whole backstory because of Lawrence Fishburn and all that. that and and I understand that but I just think she needed a little bit more right she was the only one I thought that wasn't as layered she's great she's great in the movie but she's not as layered as you got everybody else had more layers to them in this one you could argue that yelena bolova we've seen a lot of her already but still they put a scene in this movie with her going back to that moment where she

tricked a classmate of hers from the red room to be killed so we didn't need that but it was necessary for the art they were telling with her. So I agree, Ghost needed one as well because Hannah John Kamen is a damn good actress. You know, I've been watching her in British stuff for years. So the fact that she got this role, I thought was great. The fact that they fleshed her out in this movie was great. But give her more to do.

She can handle it. So I hope they do in the future do that. But I agree with her. We should have seen some backstory or scene with her that affected her, you know. Maybe we will. I don't know. And then Taskmaster, like, the only problem, what's funny is, so that scene.

And I loved it. I love that Valentin is trying to basically get everyone, you know, clean up all the, the, the, the, uh,

the dirt. So she sends them all in to kill each other. Great scene. Yeah. Absolutely great scene. Gives them all clearance to get into this place and they're all going after each other. It's amazing.

It is. And then when Tasmester gets shot, I automatically said, oh, she's dead because some stupid publication on Twitter, whatever it is, a surprising death in the beginning of, the beginning of yeah yeah what are you doing wait until the fucking movie comes out what are you doing um

so and even so like that that but that type of thing so i knew it was like whoa they guessed because i was i would have said oh they're gonna have her come back but i knew she was toast because that article um and it was a balsy thing to do because and i also like they yes there was an emotional attachment to elina because she knew what that woman went through yes widow right but they didn't spend too much time grieving on it. They said, let's sucks. And, you know, they didn't make, they didn't make, they didn't make ghosts feel bad for it. They said, that was what she was here. We're all trying to do that to one another anyway. Yeah. Sucks that, you know, that maybe that's what they could have done with ghost. Maybe she could have had a little bit more guilt over it because she realized,

you know. Well, apparently there is, there was a, apparently there were seen, the rumors that were seen, what I've seen on line, they were seen shot with ghost where she had more, where taskmaster had more to do with the movie and where she was constantly going through amnesia. Like she was forgetting stuff. Her memory loss. Okay. And so every time she would forget her memory, she would try to kill John Walker. So that was kind of because that was her last assignment.

So that was a thing that apparently was running through the movie and they eventually axed it. And they have her do that once. So a lot of people are like, oh, why did Olga come back for just to show her face for seven sex? And it was like, no, I think there were more things that were shot with Olga. But in the end, they decided to kill her off and adjusted the film in that manner. And that's why she hasn't been part of any of the promotional stuff. I think she did show up at the premiere because why not? You got to work the system as an actress.

Sure. But I think there was more here. They just decided to kill her off because I think this is a preview of Figey. He's going to start culling a lot of characters before we get into as we go into the new phases. You got to clean some stuff up, man. Everyone's going to do. And so enjoy, they're going to be killed. And even when I say, because look, we just talked about how we took ghost in a little bit more development.

You can kill off task mask her. You don't have to give her any more development. Exactly. Right. So. And what the most important thing is, it's not these characters. You got to make us care about Century. You got to make us care about Bob.

And they did it. And they really did. And Lewis Pullman was fantastic. He was fantastic because he gets you to that. point when you see him and you're like, all right, this guy's awkward. He's really part of this program that they talked about that she was talking about with her assistant. Um, and then you see kind of, okay, he's trying to figure out what the hell. He's like, he's basically just almost like a vision. You can look at him as vision, Thor and Hulk kind of wrapped into one because he's kind of created

that particular way. He can't control it, you know, and when it is, it's like the most powerful thing ever. Like how the hell is Doom going to fight that thing? Yeah, it's going to be real interesting to see. And I love that they respected the fact that he came, you know, with the mental health stuff. That is a big deal for his character in the movies in the comic books. They didn't add that in the movie. That is a big, big deal for him in the comic books. And that's what makes his power so unsettling. Because when he's level-headed and he's, you know, in a good place, he's incredibly difficult to destroy. And I love the scene where he's like realizing that he is a god through

what Valentina said to him, was it, well, you said I could beat all the Avengers at once, and Thor is a god, so I might be a god. And so throwing that in the mix, I thought was really interesting and chilling. So, and Lewis did, as you said, Lewis did a fantastic job navigating this unsettled kid who are covering addict, who has issues from upbringing with his dad and whatever, and the vacillation between delusions of grandeur and horrible bouts of depression.

So having that all be a part of it and giving that kid power, it's a scary nuclear weapon you've created inside of a humanity. It just shows you how crazy Valentina and all the rest of them are because if you give an ex-meth addict a knife, you should be scared. Imagine giving them this. And it's like, and dude, when he goes back in that chicken thing, it was like hilarious, hilarious and scary. Yeah.

Like really eerie the way that they did that. And I loved the non-traditional ending with him. You know, it's like, if you, because what you could have done is just the same old thing where they all have to go up and they're fighting them and they're doing all it. But like, they can't fight them. They have to mentally go in there. And it also shows, because I didn't know where they were going to go. I was like, okay, what are they going to do with Century now? And he's like, oh, Lewis Pullman's going to kind of won and done.

And it's like, no, they really did transition, uh, transition him into this Bruce Banner type guy. I don't want to control this. I got to be, I mean, I want to control this. I want to be careful. I don't want this. I'm like, it even says in that post credit scene. like you know we don't want that to happen so stay in calm um but it was that whole buildup and you you mentioned the not only him being an addict but like the abusive family that he lived in

and and even that it was it was so like you felt for him where he's like this is the most peaceful room in this whole thing yeah but you got to go through this part of it for a second it goes away and then it's like oh it it you just you just feel for it is I like how dark the movie went in times me too I really enjoyed it I thought it was And, you know, Jake Schreier and some other people have been, you know, being part of the Marvel campaign saying, oh, it's an A24 movie and they were joking about it because it had some people who were involved with A24 movies. But I saw one reviewer, I think it was in The Vulture say, like, this is a film that is as close to A24 as you're going to get within the larger Marvel universe. And I thought that actually does work in terms of the explanation because they do go a little deeper into mental health than you might expect for a populist film, a populist brand like Marvel to do. I really appreciated it.

And as someone who does suffer and has suffered mental health issues, at the extreme way, in extreme manners in times past, I thought they honored it really well. Could they have gone deeper? Could they have done more nuance, more specificity, more complexity? Sure. But this is not the tableau for that. This is not where you want to do that kind of conversation.

Because you're still trying to appeal to a four quadrant audience. So to me, I thought they did it in a way that was respectful and honored people who do suffer. that kind of stuff. And remember, this is just his first instance with it where a group steps forward to navigate him out of it. It's also people going, well, it was resolved too quickly. Well, he's never had people step up, walk through the darkness for him and hug him. That's huge. Now, the next one is going to be more ferocious because anyone with mental health issues will tell you just because you solve it the first time it happens, the second time it happens or the third or fourth time,

it'll come with much more ferocity because it kind of adapts because you're like the Hulk. Look at it happened with the Hulk. The Hulk couldn't show right away. The Hulk is a thing thing. I mean, even when you look at when Wanda got in the Hulk's head and everything that, yeah, you can control it for a little bit,

but then one little episode or something too, and you look at what, remember when his eyes were all red and Tony and that whole place, the place just got wrecked because there's only so long you can control it. Yeah. And that's going to be interesting. It's going to be interesting. It is, and speaking of Hulk, is Doom going to use Century the same way that Loki used Hulk? You know, it's a good question. Yeah. And I guess that kind of leads into, there's more stuff to discuss in as far as the overall movie, because like you said, Bucky's another one. Bucky's Terminator entrance was the best.

That was amazing. Yeah. And what he's trying to do and what's about he, I like that they just, he's trying to invest. He's still that same guy. He's the guy who's trying to do right now. And he's trying to. figure it out and he's using the assistant to try to figure out, okay, can I, you know, infiltrate here, can I take her down and who are these band of idiots that I have to go after? Because when he shows up and he just wipes everybody out and they're like, yeah, Bucky, and then he takes them out too. That was a great moment. Like I said it, there were some moments where the humor didn't work. There were other times that it did. And I thought the stuff that did work is when he's on the phone and they're telling him, Bob, Bob, Bob, like, great, because it's, like okay yeah we've been telling you man um and then they had that diehard moment when they're all

trying to get out and they're doing the thing up the there's like so many memorable moments in this movie yeah yeah i agree and look i love the fact that he's uh washing his arm in the dishwashing machine i think that works good it's a nice little twist there but also he's also involved in that scene where sentry fully shows you his powers he rips off bucky's arm and beats him with it like that is scary and then tosses away like it's nothing but yeah Bucky again, and someone mentioned this last night on our spoiler review on the geek buddies, that like Bucky is one of the two characters that has been a through line through all the phases, right? Like, Loki and Bucky, I think, are the only two that are all the way through these phases.

And I think that's, it speaks volumes about how much they, Marvel had values both of those characters and how they've grown in their estimation of Bucky recently over the last few years, because he's kind of a low-key Tony Stark. they toss him into these series and movies and even the voiceover stuff with what if Sebastian Stan is happy to do all of it and he delivers a great performance every time he's in there doing it and this movie was

no difference no different no different at all I agree with you and I think let's so let's just dive into like the post credit scene because you get the first one which it's hilarious that they put the thing with the Red Guardian and he's out there He's trying to show him on, he's loving the success and he's trying to get his flowers, as they say. Let me ask you. Do you think he's the Polly of the MCU universe?

Like, Pauley was always coming up with stuff and Rocky, like make money. But yes, yes, but he's not, but he's not as angry as Paul. No, he's not as angry. No, you're right. He's not, he's a much more jovial guy. Yeah. Yeah, he's more like Rob Schneider. Look at me.

Look at me. like you know he's hanging out with Adam Sailing or anybody too I think that but I and but yeah it's way more jovial for sure but I think he's doing uh I think it's a fun scene yeah it's fun scene in general and and oh yeah someone mentioned too like when when she calls him Santa Claus and everything too

it's like it's great like that whole that whole moment when she brings when you really get to see what Sentry is capable of when he because there is that kind of like Yeah. Anti- He's like Superman, you know, and he's just, there's nothing that they can do. I mean, he just bitch is bucky. It's scarier than any dark moment in the movie.

Yeah. Seeing the speed, ferocity and just utter not a big deal approach he has to dispatching the entire team. It is, it is unsettling. Yeah. And then when he starts going to, because what's great is that when he starts taking people out, yeah, that crazy shadow and that effect was just. Yeah. So good. And you know once, because you think, oh, he's killing everybody does it. Obviously like, oh, okay, well, everybody's not dead. He's just putting people in this kind of realm and showing them their darkness.

Because then that's how they're able to ultimately save it. Right. But even her plan, Valentina's plan of like, well, I'm going to expose them and then realizing and shifting on a dime going, no, no, no, actually, I'm going to use you guys. And I love that scene at the end when they reveal it in Elaine is like, we own you now. Yeah. That's what you. Bob says to her. We own you. No, no, no. Yelina says it to her. No, no. They say it to Yelina. Oh, Yelana says that. Right, right, right. Sorry, I thought you meant.

Valentina. I got confused there. Yelina says it to Valentina. Yes, she does. And she's like, we own you now. And you're like, you're damn right, you do. And now that they're this whole team. So then you get that first scene. Then the second scene, which they've confirmed, the second I'm watching that scene. I'm like, this is not the same director that directed this.

Yeah. I said the Rousseau's clearly directed this scene. It was very similar to me, like Civil War. They've done this before. did this with Civil War when it was Bucky, kind of chained up and Falcon and Cap are there. And then you see this, they're putting this.

This scene is going to be in Doomsday. Yeah. Clearly. And it's going to be when Fantastic Force shows up and all that. And it could be probably the beginning of the movie. It might even open up the freaking movie. They just started shooting. So this is probably the first thing that they shot during it.

And I like to because, again, you see that dynamic. And then you find out and you probably see this type of scene. in the movie also that Sam is not on board with this. A lot of the people in the universe or the world, rather, are not on board with this. And it's conflicting. Who are the real Avengers? And then they've got to do.

So you're going to have two different teams here. I wonder who his team is going to be. Because right now, I like this team. Yeah. And I don't know if there's a two. Shang Chi, probably. Chongchi, yes, yes. absolutely um kate bishop probably yeah you're probably gonna i mean you got to be careful with

getting too many kids yeah because that's that's an different avengers that's a different team different right so and do you get is tom holland part part of his avengers because that's maybe that's a big all-star that's it that's you got you got to really recruit now in order for us to care because we're coming off of this and we care about this team this new avengers team yeah would it be four are you going to is black panther which black panthers are going to be is the ant man part of the team i assume him and you know him and they're tight so i would assume ant man yeah they've had they have history right um so it's going to be so someone says shung chie thor captain marvel hulk um wong and uh ant man that's that's that's possible dr strange i don't know

i don't think wong or dr strange are going to get involved with the avengers though i think i don't think captain marvel's going to get involved with the avengers either she's very much her own thing She's her own thing. She would lead the team, which a lot of people would be upset about. So I don't think they want to do that. Yeah, I wonder. I wonder how that's going to play. But the way they do, and then they show like, you know,

the Fantastic Four kind of coming in and breaking through. So clearly, the events of Fantastic Four are going to play into Doomsday as we expected. Right. And that does give you that kind of hype of, all right, well, now I guess I really got to see what the events are going to happen in Fantastic Four. We have one of our loyal viewers. Oh, okay. E Roberts who says, you know, he's been trying to bet me that he's thinking that Thunderbolts is going to make more money overall than Fantastic Four.

He's out of his mind. Especially now. There's no world where he still thinks that. If he does, I'd be very surprised. But especially because of Thunderbolts, those people who saw Thunderbolts, everyone who saw Thunderbolts is going to want to see Fantastic Four. Plus, people who didn't see Thunderbolts are going to want to see Fantastic Four. Right, right. Oh, yeah.

They might make a hundred, they might make the 156 in the opening weekend. Like, it's a very, which just, I mean, $106 domestically, which is what their worldwide total is for Thunderbolts on opening weekend. So I think that, yeah, absolutely, I like the way it ended. And I like that it poses a little bit of strife here between old buddy Sam and Sam and Buck. Yeah, you'd assume that they were going to be on the same page, but for some reason they're definitely not. So he was probably trying to stick up for the new Avengers and Sam wasn't having it.

So you got to add that scene. This is 14 months later. So, you know, they've had all the time. And as you said, headlines are scoffing at this new Avengers team. And so again, they're going to have to all overcome people's expectations about them or judgment of them in order to prove themselves. So that's going to be interesting. Bucky's, I mean, Sam's got his Avengers team. Young Avengers is apparently coming.

And don't forget about West Coast Avengers, right? There's the White Vision show that is coming. What is that show going, Vision Quest? What is that show going to do? Are they going to bring Hawkeye, who is part of the West Coast Avengers? are they going to bring other people to be part of West Coast Avengers? So it might be four Avengers teams here that we could be looking at by the time we get to Secret War.

So it's a lot to cover. That's a lot to cover in Doomsday. You don't, you don't really have much time to set that up. Like, you just, you just don't. I mean,

you can't set that up in Iron Heart. You can't set that up really. You didn't set up anything in Daredevil. Yeah. You might in Vision Quest, but we'll see, you know. You might,

unless you have those other, Avengers come i don't know it's like wonder man is part of west coast avengers and wonder man is that series is coming and wonder man is already they said his name yeah i have do omitian the second there on the chairs so it's going to be interesting to say how they play that because yeah i don't want to see spend too much time on like who's the real avengers storyline when it comes to like you got to set up doom like you got to set up doom i want to see what they're going to do with him so do you think he's going to be a big part of dooms day or do you think he's going to yeah yeah yeah i think he's going to have a quick scene at the end of Fantastic 4.

And then all of it is going to be. But I don't think you're going to see Downey's face a lot. I think you're going to see it in the first movie. In Doomsday, 15%. I think the majority of time he's going to be in the mask causing habit. You want to make him intimidating? That's how you do it. You don't have him running around with the Stark face for the whole movie because

it's just going to be a thing. I think 15, 20% of the movie, maybe you have the majority of the movie him running around in that mask. Yeah, no, I know it's called Doomsday. You know, people are like, well, of course you're going to make it wrong. Yeah, I know, I get that. What I'm getting is they've got so much to set up. So how much are they going to spend setting up doom

and how much are going to spend setting up all these other people who are going to be lining up again? Wouldn't you be pissed off? The movie's called Doom's Day and you barely have a minute? I wouldn't put it past Marvel. I wouldn't put it past Marvel. It's not Doom's Day. It's Doom's Minutes.

There is one other story here that we'll get to, and that's, where the hell is this story? It's somewhere. I got it. Is that it? Where the hell did it go? Thunderbolts? Right. Yeah, I'm looking for it, but it's like the actual article itself,

I'm trying to find it. Hold on a second. I have it brought up, but it's not coming up. Yeah. All right. Well, let me just,

apparently there's a good, there's a whole scene with, um, yeah, post credit scene. And I saw that article there for a second, but now it's, now it's,

now it's, Gonski. Um, and I'm curious what they were going to do with him. Okay. Oh, there it is. I haven't.

All right. Okay, give me a second. It's just the whole thing we're running this. All right, here it is. So Thunderbolts writer reveals the scrapped, scrapes post-credit scene in, and Baron Zemo's scrapped role in the actual movie itself. Okay, so here is the article.

This is again from comic book movie. Thunderbolt's writer Eric Pearson has revealed scrap plans for a post-credit scenes featuring the return of Daniel Brule's Barron Zemo. In the comic book, Zemo assembles the Thunderbolts when the Avengers go missing. However, while his team is secretly a group of supervillains masquerading as heroes, they eventually decided to put their evil doing ways behind them and become heroes. There have been other iterations of the group, but Marvel Studio Thunderbolts is very much its own thing. That's evident from the absence of Zemo, the Captain America Civil War,

villain who was brought more in line with his common counterpart in the Falcon and the Winter Soldier. It turns out that in an earlier draft of Thunderbolts, Zemo was going to be revealed as the one pulling the strings in a post-credit scene. Dr. Screen ran, Eric Pearson explained how the villain once factored

into the story. He said, I think there was a version of a tag written a long time ago, kind of revealing who's behind it all. It was revealed that Baron Zemo was pulling some strings from prison or whatever. I might just be inventing things now, but I feel like there might have been a version where a tag where Zimo had broken out,

swapped places with someone, maybe Valentina's assistant, and he was working with a widow mask under. But I think those ideas lived for one iteration and then died. Sometimes people think that we're zigzagging on purpose, and it's like, no, we know that Zemo is very integral to a different story version of them.

He's part of putting them together, and we negated the need for that with our own premise. But we always think back to the comics. There's always a discussion of, well, if there's a way to cleverly include Zemo in this, he absolutely should be there. But in this story that we wanted to tell and that we fell in love with,

Elena was Central and all these people find their way through her. And then we were introduced to Bob as well. So just didn't fit. We didn't want to just have a feathered fish. Had Mel been swamped out for a male assistant who Zemo was posing as, then yes, a Stinger could have quite easy revealed that he'd been pushing Val in certain directions to benefit his master plan.

the question is, what would Zemo had been plotting and when and where would his story have continued? The Thunderbolt established the team as the MCU's new Avengers, but there's nothing to say that these heroes will get their own movie beyond assembling in Doomsday next year. As for Zemo, it seems the door is still open for a story to continue, though he remains locked up in the raft where he can potentially spend time getting to know another character, ties to the Thunderbolt's Red Hulk. I think this is probably, first of all, it doesn't seem like it was very, I shouldn't say, real, but it was like, yeah, it was an idea that we had at one point, but then the story went somewhere else in the writer's room. And yes, you could have had him as the assistant. I don't, I've been hesitating saying this, but I want to be honest. The assistant was my least favorite part of the movie. I don't think she was great. I didn't think she was great. But, and she was originally supposed

to be, yes, which probably would have been better. But yeah, but look how small the role was. I'm saying, It was like, I'm not going to be that. I don't think that's why she, I think it was scheduling why she couldn't do it. Come on, man. Come on. Stop it. Fair. But anyway, irrelevant.

Whether it was her or not, Mel or Zemo, you could have had that play into it. But then it kind of takes away how clever Valentina is, first of all. I think it would have, I think, such a dumb. It would have killed it. It would have killed it. Because the thing, what we've been, what we've both been talking about, Christian, is the best used to Valentina in an MCU film.

And having a guy pulling her strings, I don't think it would have worked. It would have really undercut it. And there's no way JLD would have said yes to that. There's just no way. Because Julie Louvrevis is very clear about the role she wants to play now and the roles that she wants to portray on screen.

And I think this is something that she would not have been a fan of for Valentina because Valentina needs to be her own kind of separate type of villain. But if you have someone else pulling, their strings, then it removes individuality and her own independent choices. And I think that's terrible to do to a character this late in the game who's already been introduced multiple times being in control of stuff. So yeah, I like that they didn't go with this. But Zemo, I know people in the comics who comic fans want to see Zemo, but there's more

story. Him and Red Hulk, that's an interesting too. I want to, yeah, the question is like, what are they going to do and where does it go? Because we still, we're going to read this article in a second. We still where the MCU is going. Yeah. And we're going to see these characters ever again or any of these, Red Hulk or any of these because it's going to be X-Men kind of heavy.

So, you know, we'll, we'll see, we'll see that where that goes. But overall, I mean, the other, someone that's starting, someone that could have been, if you wanted to downplay Valentina, like, and, and continue with something you set up and hasn't paid off as Sharon Carter. Yeah. Oh, my God. What, like, the, where did, where did she go? Yeah.

She had this big, huge reveal of how evil she was. Yeah. Where'd she go? in the same way that they're like, I remember her and Eternals, we'll try not to remember them. That's basically what Marvel's doing now. It's like,

I don't worry about that storyline. And secret invasion, but nothing that never happened. It didn't all a calling. My calling is coming. They're all going to be gone. Right. And that's,

and that kind of takes us, before we get into the questions, that takes us to this article today on the Wall Street Journal. Let me, you know, let me give Jonathan a good, a good wrap up here. Hold on a second.

Bring it on. For the spoilers, everybody, for the spoilers. Put your thoughts in there. What do you guys think? Do you like this? Did you like the movie? What parts played in there? Put your thoughts in there.

And as I always say, you can watch this on the replay. You can watch this on our Clips channel, which I hope you're doing right now. Subscribe to that Clips channel. Really important. I appreciate it. And that is that when it comes to spoilers. Now, getting into this article, there's an article on the Wall Street. Journal. And

says Disney wanted more from Marvel now wants less. The head of Marvel studios told colleagues recently that watching all the comic book Giants new TV shows and films had started to feel more like homework than entertainment.

The problem, Kevin Faii knowledge, is that in an effort to satisfy parent company, Disney's oh no, give me a break. It's stupid thing. Is there any, is there a I saw it coming. I saw it coming.

Luke, you sent me this. You didn't tell me I needed a... Luke! I need a freaking... Do you have the article? There's a screen rant some of it that I can send you real quick on private. You can bring that up, okay.

Send me that. I don't know. I don't know about your producer. Awful. I mean, that's no. Luke does a thousand different things. It's the best. But that was the subscription service.

I got two seconds in before I do. I know. As soon as I saw it, I was like, why didn't you're going to notice this? Well, thanks for telling me. Thanks for set me in for failure. Unbelievable.

Did you send this? You just sent it? Yeah, I just said it's a screen. All right. Let me, ScreenRand did a breakdown of this article. Let me get into it. Here is said article from Stream Yard.

Thank you from ScreenRan. Here we go. Let me do this again. All right. There was an article on Wall Street Journal, breaking down the things that were going on. And how Disney essentially wants less. Marvel than before where they won too much.

So new MCU report reveals that Kevin Feigy has big plans for the X-Men and Marvel Studios. With the MCU working on its X-Men reboot, Marvel Studios is reportedly further along with its planning for the Mutants in the franchise. As the MCU timeline is getting closer to wrapping up the multiverse saga, a new age of superhero ventures is on its way from Marvel Studios with the introduction of the X-Men characters. with the character's rights finally coming back to Marvel, there will be an opportunity to finally have the X-Men and Avengers share the screen,

which fans will be getting a taste of in Doomsday. In a report from the Wall Street Journal, more light has been shed on what is going on with the X-Men at Marvel as a reboot movie is still in the works. According to the Wall Street Journal, which you need a subscription service for, you can't read the article, Kevin Feigy has reportedly told multiple colleagues

at Marvel Studios that he has a 10-year plan for the mutants in the MCU. At the time of this story's publication, Disney and Marvel Studios have yet to comment. What this new report means for the X-Men, while the Wall Street Journal report doesn't specify more about the 10-year-long plan for the X-Men in the MCU, there are still some things to take in perspective in terms of how big Figi is possibly planning at Marvel Studios with the Mutants. Even though he is planning for a decades worth of X-Men, fans have speculated for a long time that phase seven will be the beginning of a mutant saga. Does not mean that non-X-Men and Mutants characters won't have a crucial place in the

MCU going forward, as it will be about balancing at all. The timing of the MCU report is also interesting. As this is only coming a day after it was revealed that Deadpool X-Men movie from Ryan Reynolds at Marvel Studios is being explored, as the actor is currently writing a pitch that is yet to go to the higher-ups with a separate X-Men movie reboot also in the works, Figey's plan may possibly include solo movies and TV shows for various mutants, which would definitely justify why he is looking at having a plan for 10 years in mind for the characters. Whether or not any of Figey's X-Men plans get revealed anytime soon or after the multiverse saga remains to be seen.

The other article I sent you, the Slash film article, that's more in line with what I think you were wanting to focus on. The interconnected stuff. If you want to, we can pull that one up. I'll bring this up. Yeah, but I'll bring this up. It's, it's, it's right here. All right. So Marvel's Kevin Feigy knows exactly what went wrong with the MCU after end game.

As part of the Wall Street Journal's assessment of the MCU, recent woes, several sources close to Marvel. Fikey have revealed his take on what led to the franchise's loss of revenue and interest. The answer is a no-brainer, but it's also something we haven't exactly heard Disney and Marvel's top brass pass up to very often. According to the Wall Street Journal report, the Marvel Studios boss and Mastermind thinks that a surplus of interconnected MCU shows and movies which required viewers to tune in both at home and theaters with increasing frequency are to blame for the property's downturn. The outlet points to Disney's hunger for content for Disney Plus

is a primary reason the MCU started feeling like a chore. It also acknowledges that the overwhelming amount of titles to watch didn't just exhaust fans of the franchise, but also the folks who worked on the projects. Vigano's Marvel dropped too many interconnected shows. The strategy became just expansion, expansion, expansion, a formal Marvel employee set of a post-AVengers endgame meeting in which Disney's chief executive officer Bob Iger made the program and goals for Disney Plus known. Iger has admitted that the strategy didn't work, saying in 20203,

not only did Marvel increase their movie output, but they ended up making a number of television series, and frankly, it diluted focus and attention. By 2024, Iger was telling shareholders that Marvel's Disney Plus slate would go down to probably about two TV series a year instead of what had become four and that Disney and Marvel would reduce our film output from maybe four a year to two or a maximum of three. The strategy shift may have seemed slow for fans, many of whom had become worn out by Marvel since the days of Disney Plus, and it also came after Iger initially

seemed keen to categorize Marvel's problems like the box office failure of the Marvel's as a one-off misstep for his part. Sources close to Fiking have said that he agreed to the initial plan because he was eager for the opportunities to tell Marvel stories that hadn't made the leap from the comic book page to the screen yet, adding that he wanted to be an excellent corporate citizen. The journal also notes that the Marvel employees were well aware of what they called Marvel fatigue and wondered openly if they built a no new fans club by making newer MCU films and shows so heavily interconnected as to require prerequisite viewing. Staffers also recalled working on projects for weeks for being able to get time with fans. Fige who would sometimes then request change that couldn't be incorporated on a tight deadline.

Peace said that Figey's annual Palm Springs MCU planning meeting in 2023 was somber, but it also notes that there's a new strategy for the MCU. Fewer titles, multiple seasons, and less convoluted crossovers with Fagie devoting most of his time to the films. Okay. I think that's all stuff that we've been speculating for a long time. The guy is wearing too many hats. Yeah, and it's clear. And also, I think what's important about the report is you're getting this from people

who worked at Marvel. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But none of them are saying, we made terrible shit, so nobody watched it. They're all saying, well, we made them too interconnected and we made them too convoluted and we made, no, what happened was you made stuff that wasn't good that people didn't want to watch. And so because they didn't watch, they got lost in the other stuff you were trying to tell

because they weren't going to go back and watch it crappy stuff or not good stuff. And so that's what ended up happening here. It's, I get it that there's a way to look at it. It's like, oh, we overwhelm the audience. But this is an audience that can watch Game of Thrones or House of the Dragon or all these complex shows and figure out, I mean, they watch Sopranos. Like, who's under who and what family and what section of New York, New Jersey? Like people are more intelligent that you give them credit for, but you got to make good stuff because that's how you keep them watching. I don't think it's about interconnected or homework or any of that nonsense.

it's more a matter of you didn't make good content overall and that's why people got lost in it and didn't want to watch it anymore i agree and i disagree at the same time i agree that you need to make good stuff i mean there's not that's that's the obvious that's the obvious you have to make good things in order to want to keep people coming back i mean you look at like because there's stuff with thunderbolts for example like you have to really really have to watch black widow in order to emotionally attach to elena and other people so um i think that kind of proves two things there right it's like you people wanted to see it you'll go in to see it you like the movie but you do kind of have to see it it is interconnected but it's easier to

interconnect the movies in general when you put all of these different things I think that that one line about it it's almost like creating this club and they're not bringing any new members in no new fan club yeah so they said and I think that that's because the interconnected thing it's like it's just too much it's like what do I have to do need to watch this I have to watch like even when I'm like watching this stuff with Sam right now I'm like I'm shit and to which people are wondering she's coming back she literally is coming in today to film we're filming shung chi today um but like i'm thinking like okay what does she need to watch

in order to not be lost when you go into these things and it's like a lot you got to watch a lot of these things in order to not be lost and it is a lot to ask people to do because then if you weren't like and to and figy was trying to even when i always bring this point up i'll never forget it when i was sitting there with winston we're watching uh you know uh dr strange too and fagy goes they ask him like oh do you know do you know need to watch Wanda Vision? He's like, no, you don't need to watch that. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, what do you mean? You have to watch Wanda Vision. He doesn't want to say that because I don't want people to go like, oh, I got to watch another show. I don't

want to see that movie. I understand why he did it, but it wasn't the truth. Like, you have to, you'd be, you'd be lost on the emotional, like, breakdown of what Wanda was going through and why that is, and why she even got to that place with the dark hold and all that shit. If you didn't watch that show. And it would be nice to the writers of Dr. Strange to watch that show too. And, you know, either way, you understand, I think it makes sense, which kind of gets us into the X-Men side of it. But one thing that made me go, oh, no, no, be careful.

Just focus on the X-Men and Fantastic Four. Just focus on them. Don't start, well, you know, it doesn't mean, or Avengers movies, okay, great. You want to intertwine Avengers versus X-Men and do that. Don't start, you're going to get yourself into the same place. focus on the X-Men movies for the next 10 years. Focus on X-Men TV shows, focus on the first thing you do is an X-Men movie. I know, I know.

It's not that I'm dreaming. I'm just trying to, but please don't, you don't need to do this. You've got enough characters. You've got enough. You have so much in that X-Men world, Fantastic Four World and Avengers world, you don't need to do all these side characters. And then nobody's who are like, oh, look what I'm going to try to do now. It's like, you just said that.

I understand he's a comic book fan. He wants to bring that geekiness. out and go, look at this. This thing's cool, too. It's like, yeah, but the X-Men are pretty damn cool. There's characters you haven't told, and there's stories you haven't told, and you can explore in places you've never done before. I hope that that's really where they, I hope the future is X-Men.

I really do. Well, it's going to be mutants, that's for sure, and that's certainly the focus, I think. And Faggie always loves telling you he's got a 10-year plan. He said the same thing a cinema con a few years ago. I got a 10-year plan. I got a 10-year plan. I got writers working on the 10-year plan. Ten-year plans are great. I love it. Stop talking about it. Like, just focus on doing

the next good, the next thing, well, that's what you need to be focusing on. I don't care about a 10 year, 20 year, 15 year plan. I care about now at this point after all these years, 17 years of Marvel movies and TV shows, I care about you getting the next one right. And then connect, and then the next one, and then the next one. This may. What happened to May? May? So, so yeah, so to me, that's the focus that has to be on this because 10 year plans don't make me feel good anymore. I've seen people tell me they got seven Power Rangers movies. I've seen, you know, Star Wars tell me they got all these movies coming and cancel them one by one. So I think it's very much focused on, look, what's the next good movie and focus on making that? And there's, it'll be mutants and it'll be

mutants in various ways, but it won't just be X-Men stuff for sure. Because they can't put all their eggs in one basket for 10 years, Christian, because if they keep messing up, then they have in their baskets, too, but they have, but there's so many characters inside of, of that, like so many different mutants and so many different things. I mean, you can make, you can make a $60 to $80 million magnino movie. You could do a, you know, you could, you could do the, because he's got enough in the pop culture world, people know who he is. You could do his own.

Are you going to ignore Spider-Man for 10 years? Not necessarily. I mean, like, look, if you have, if you have, I'm talking about, if you have huge all-stars and you have, but there's not, and Winston and Coy and I have this conversation all-time with, like, right now, there are no all-stars in the MCU, all-sars. There's good players, but if you look at it in sports world, there's no All-Stars the way that there was before. I think that Yelaine has got an opportunity to be an All-Star.

I think she's got an opportunity, depending on what happens now in this one, but there's no All-Star. Spider-Man's an All-Star, you know? Like, he's the old All-Star, right? But, like, he's an All-Star. So, yeah, if you can, you've, any All-Star movies you can do, 100%. So Thor?

If you can, yeah, of course. If you can get, if you can get them back to do it, but the question is also, how does it play into what's going to happen in Doomsday in Secret Wars? Right. like that's that's what we it's just too hard to to say now because we don't know

what's going to happen well you're going to have fantastic 4 and x-men so if you focus on those two brands then spider man because spider man's that's spiderman 4 is apparently coming so you're going to have those swinging into because i don't think it'll be tom holland once you get out of

maybe one more after secret wars of tom holland is spider man but then they've got a transition to either miles or another spider man actor So those we see there So I think that's going to be interesting To see how that plays out But there's I think there's more coming

And you're right And black pant What are you going to do with black pan? There's a Black Panther 3 that's coming right With Denzel rumor to be a part of it. You've got that in here Right So there is going to be enough stuff To balance out the mutant stuff

But I hear you And I like that they're slowing down And because hopefully that means more quality I hope so I really do hope so Maybe in between the X-Men movies They throw something else in there Like so it's like every two years You get an X-Men movie

and then, you know, in between Spider-Man or something else, too. That's how you can do it. But your TV shows, like, stop going with the obscure ones, then nobody knows. Give me, like, give me some big, like an X-Men TV show. That would be great. Yeah, like a new mutant series. Yeah, like something where you're going to build it,

and then you introduce those people into the movies. And give it a little bit more of a, like, you know, if you look at things like Daredebel and or, that's a kind of television I like. Yeah, yeah. I like things where it's not, it's not just joke fest USA. it's why I like Thunderbolts so much. It actually was like a serious tone to it.

There was jokes, but there was like a serious tone to it, and the characters were real, and it wasn't, as I always take shots and rightfully so, there wasn't a stupid singing planet. So there you go. What do you guys make of all this? Do you like it? Do you not like it?

Do you think that they should do 10 years on the X-Men? What say you? Put your thoughts in there. Let's hear it. All right, we're going to get to your questions now. You got questions. and so John's trying to set the week. Starting out with 38.

It's pretty good. Pretty good going into the question round. But before we do it, John, what's going on in the channel, man? Hey, it's the Outlaw Nation channel. Come on over and hang out with us. Subscribe to the channel. We just did a spoiler review for the Thunderboats last night. Me, Mike Vogel and Shannon McClung, the geek buddies,

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Yes, yes. All right, let's get this first question. Shea coming in hot. Recasting Sebastian Stan as Luke in Star Wars is popular. That's been going on for eight years, at least. I mean, I was doing Jedi Council when that started popping up. So it would be great. They'll never do it, though.

For some reason, they're scared. Kathleen Kennedy just want to use Luke anymore, which I think if they're good to a Thron trilogy and they don't have the thing in the world. But we'll see. All right. Next one is Mike's movie madness. Glad I saw this yesterday because every outlet is spoiling the reveal on IG. Yeah.

I mean, that's another thing, too, is maybe people are going to be excited that people are, you know, seeing it soon before that reveal. But I'm so curious to see what effect it has, John. I really am. Yeah. But how can you even track it? Like, how can we be sure that it's going to be? Percentage drop. It's not a guarantee of a percentage drop.

If you can factor it in, you can, you know, you can guesstimate and say, you know what, I feel, or speculate rather, I feel that one of the reasons that this movie only had a 15% drop is because we changed the name. Yeah. If we wouldn't have, then it would have been 30%. You're like, well, okay, maybe, maybe that's true. maybe that's not, but you can certainly say maybe it was a good idea. You know?

Zlovel Lianoni. S.S. No way I said that right. Became a member. Thank you so much. I've tried to get your name right. Thank you. It was very kind. Matt Sinisterner-Maccala. Roka, a man with just trying to kill you. That's hilarious. You were, I'll explain. Percentage of subs, do you think no movies better than you? I can relate to Bob's character too much.

a percentage of what of your subs do you think no movies better than you do i couldn't possibly speculate yeah yeah but uh we were Tina and i were watching um final destination two which i never seen before and we're putting out the third one today the reaction and there's some hilarious shit going on in that movie yeah um there's one there's one scene do you do you remember the movie fairly well is that the one with the elevator or is that a different one that is that's the one with yeah yeah yeah i love that movie it's absolutely hilarious they go they're like they see like she's like i see something with hooks whatever a man with hooks and then the cop calls he goes be careful a man with hooks is going to kill you but it's hilarious it's so good um team tim are lots of the press

tour talk on post credit scene how much does that boost fantastic for his box office also i think walk walker should keep the taco shield into hilarious Um, I don't, um, I don't know that much it's going to affect it. I think that people who wanted to see it are going to be more excited to see it and, you know, say, okay, this, this actually plays into it. So yeah. What do you think? You think it's a small number of people who were, who were excited for, for

Thunderbolts, but not excited for Fantastic Four. That's a very small number. So you've kind of cleared that up by showing that, uh, the, the Thunderbolts will be connected to Fantastic Four's appearance. Right. So yeah, you got them now in the theater. All right. Next one here, Ryan S.

Harlov's burnt asshole can be found on YouTube of the Holy Critics Watch Long a Point of Origin 2002 paying homage to my profile pics. That's hilarious. You look at that picture. I've been telling people this story, and I'll tell you again, because this guy is going to be the, Ryan S is going to be the new hero of the channel for now. So Point of Origin, I was in this Ray Leota movie twice, John. And I was, it was, no, it was a, it was a, it was,

it was glorified extra work twice. The first time I ordered a rum and coke, which we, oh, actually, that clip I have, and I'll show you, which is hilarious. Thanks, we'll get their money. We need it. Your wife is here, John.

Beautiful. So, so there's that. And then I said, well, you know, because I was trying to, I did not get my sag card on this, on this movie. I got it on a different movie, but on this one, it was trying for it.

So they said, we'd give you a second day. And I was like, okay, but they said, you have to be burn victim. I said, but I want people to know it's mean, right? So at the time, as you would imagine, I was very much so into wrestling. I was coming off of working at the, right. I was like, how are they going to, because I'm all bandaged up and everything too. And I was how are they going to know how are they going to do so I put my hands towards a suck at motion.

So they actually have this guy who's reacting to it. Oh, nice. So here you're going to see this in just a moment here. There's John Luguzama who's in this. Hey. now. Cliff Curtis. Nice. Yeah. So you'll wait. I'll show you in just a second when it transitions past this guy. God bless this guy. There you go. Watch, watch.

Oh, look. I positioned my hands that way so everyone knew it was me. And I have, and that's the, that's the second march. They did not tell me to put it to the side. They had, they had told me to put it to the side and I put it up just like that right when the camera started shooting. That's amazing. Oh, my God. I absolutely love that somebody found that. And the fact that that guy watched that is absolutely amazing. Why was he doing a reaction, a point of origin?

Out of all the movies you're going to react to it. Thank God that he did. You found that scene. Flares. Renaudet at W. Hi. I'm Renauds was excellent. I love the post credit.

I love the Marvel logo and how it faded into the void. Crossing my fingers for Fantastic Four. You and me both. My interest has peaked. I saw sinners five times. Holy moly. Taking my mom and her friends to the weekend. to see it.

And so I'm taking that you liked it. Yeah, I got into it today with my friend Ryan satin about sinners. Oh, he didn't like it? No, no. One of the, one of the female wrestlers posted on her Instagram story and she said, Waste of my time. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah.

So I retweeted it and said, that's funny. It's a lot of people describe your wrestling matches. And Ryan was like, why would you take personal shots at her? And I was like, I'm not. I'm criticizing her art, just like she's criticizing Ryan's art. think that's totally fair so we went back on forth on Twitter and then he texted me and we went back on four we resolved it we had a really good conversation but it was a you are the two of the worst people to go after each other on Twitter that's why we were a great show that's why we were a

great show we did it oh they're both terrible on Twitter Al Wrencia I think they did sentry a little dirty really he got defeated by a group hug and at the end he was like I can't turn Century Duty the other guy smart Hulk I I love what they did with him That's what is in the comics. Yeah, because he's the essential. He's, he's his version. A sentry is, is just anger and sadness.

Yeah. I don't know. What did you, what did you want them to do, defeat him physically? I mean, don't you think they would have sent him into a deeper depression that he can't even beat these guys?

Like it would have been worse. All the power of the world, they still can't win. No. Okay. Renee Reyes. After the last two episodes of The Last of Us, I'm not sure if Ellie and Dean are going to be able to carry the show

now that Pedro's gone. Sorry. repeats seem off interested in Isaac story though same I'm not going to give any spoilers what I said this is like my reaction definitely it was like 50 50 people who wanted to reach through the screen and choke me out and other people who who were on my side this is all I'm saying about this particular thing that happens is a moment in the show that they were leading to and I understand it it makes sense it it should happen it's the position of when it happens in this show that made me go what?

Especially if what was just revealed, why wouldn't, why wouldn't you focus on that? Why are you focused on that? And then I said, does that how it happens in the game? You're like, no, people were telling me,

it actually happens in the game way before that. And the writing and the structure is better. I was like, well, that's what they should have done. It, I didn't love, I loved 75 to 80% of this episode. Okay.

And I thought the rest of it was, was lazy writing, which is interesting, because I think the show is usually pretty good writing, but there are a couple things. And some dummy on, on the comment section.

I was like, because there's the character of, um, of Dina is like staring a lot, right? Like if somebody, if somebody comes out and somebody does something, um,

she just stands there and she's like, starts staring. I'm like, what the hell you're staring at? Get the hell out of there, right? I wasn't criticizing the actors. Like,

what do you want them to do? They're actors. Well, no shit, Sherlock. I'm not talking about the actor. I'm not talking about the character. The character choice of someone who has been around this world long enough

shouldn't be like, oh, that person eats people. Get the fuck out of there. Yeah, yeah. And like that's what I was saying. And so, like, oh, you're criticizing the actors for just being actors. No, I'm talking about the character.

Stop staring at shit and run. It's a difference. And I actually like that scene. No. No. Renee Reyes. Hey. After the last two episodes of Last of Us.

Oh, he did that one already. Whatever. This is one of me, when I don't like what people are saying now, John. Yeah. There you go. suck it. That's right. Two words for you.

I love that this guy makes it in the whole time. It's disapproving. Like, you just can't believe I'm doing that. Look at this. Is you reacting to the whole movie? A movie? Watching the whole movie? You do it in six hours?

Oh, he was, he was, yeah, he definitely split up. And thank God he did because there's somebody that is before me. Yeah. There's another victim right before me. He cut that guy out. I don't think he knew it was me. Oh, wow. Interesting.

Love it. Love it. I like the way he's reacting to it with himself in the corner. It's hilarious. Let me send this to him that we're talking about it. Al Rensha, explain the void to me. If Bob can get control, then everyone that, that got flattened is back.

Yes. No consequences and people okay, not so powerful to me. Well, it's powerful you don't control it. Al, come here. I'm going to bring you back to your darkest, deepest secret. Right. And I'm going to make you relive it over and over and over again. Right.

And then you tell me if that power is useless or not so powerful. Right. Because you can't go back to the real world carrying all that shit. Right. When you're in a drooling mess sitting in your underwear for three weeks in the corner of your bedroom crying over that memory because it's so visceral every second of every day. that's worse than beating your ass okay that's true uh armada announcing the rest of the long cast list for doomsday reminds me when christian did his mark ellis impression saying how many people are

going to have a comedy set you're going to get everyone on stage you mean the one a m slot at comedy store well no because no mark was like the is to this day the most generous human being in the world 100% and he would like it's like everyone he would give everyone a set and it's like dude like I'll never forget it's like he was doing a set it was like he was supposed to do like half an hour but so many people went up doing like 10 minutes I'm like what are you doing it's like every like now the dorm man's getting a set and then all the guy down the street the guy from the food truck's getting a set and then that guy's getting a set and and it's like because Mark's just the most generous human being in the world um but yeah it's the same

thing is there's so many people on the doomstay on the on the cast list we'll wonder we'll see how many of them they actually do we'll see yeah uh carlton rudder London calling. What's up, man? Thunderbolts was superb. I just got sinners. Also fantastic. Roll on Mission Impossible and Karate Kid. Yeah, I'm going to see Mission Impossible next Monday, you? Lucky bastard. I haven't gotten the invite. Okay. So I'm going on Monday. Not this Monday. I was seeing next Monday. And the problem is I wanted to see the final destination six or whatever it is, but the screen is on the same day. As much as I'm enjoying final destination watching him, I ain't choosing that over. mission impossible.

Of course not. So I'm probably going to just wait and then I'll do that reaction with Tina when the new one comes out. Oh, wow. Okay. Does this have to wait. Corn Emperor. John never gets to win as he sets the tone.

Look, he does set the tone. There's no doubt about it, but you guys are responsible getting him to win. You get to a place where it's just unreachable. Yeah. For the rest, because Roxy is always, Roxy right now is on a tear. I'm just not, you know, as well liked as other people. That's how it is.

That's not true. San, jinks, NAM. Can adapting Shalasurfer negatively impact Fantastic 4? But I thought that I thought that... Yeah, but I thought they're doing both of them. No, it's only doing her. Are you sure?

They're not bringing in the other one, too? We haven't heard anything about them bringing in Norn Ratt, so... Norn Rath. So I don't know if they're going to bring him in. I think that they should. It made it a roundabout way where she's the first person and then he comes in after her. I think they should. I think they should do it both. That way you shut people up and you go, hey, we have two of them. Be quiet. Be quiet.

Geek, load stars. Now that we have new Avengers, will Sam make a West Coast Avengers with Shung Chi and other characters on that? Well, that's what John was alluding to. Yeah. I am. I don't think it would be Sam. It won't be Sam making West Coast Avengers. Sam will do East Coast Avengers. Trust me on that. It's going to be Vision or whoever's involved with Vision like Hawkeye and Wonder Man. They'll be making West Coast. So curious. king of the wicker people who is Sam and Sam's Avengers if he is suing them for copyrighting that's hilarious that he's suing them for copyrighting my guess is Sam Rody I think Rody's at Rody's not Rodeys yeah Rody's a Tony person right yeah I don't him and Sam were close we still but then you know the problem is you got to get into the whole scroll situation or Rody right and so Thor potentially shehulk is possible

sure Captain Marvel shirry and Ant Man all pie ant man i think is if i'm going to the bank if i'm going if i'm going if i'm going in Vegas i'm betting on aunt man that's my first bet yeah i think ant man's in but people you put in captain marvel in these captain marvel's not going to take orders from sam wilson okay let's put that on the effing table she was taking orders barely taking orders from samuel jackson nick fury she's not going to take orders from sam right shield or not so sean mccabe hey red guardian has an awesome beard right roka he does he carries the beard well he does don't shave his beard so do you Sean I'm just giving you not shaving

j man 24 I've been a fan of both of you guys since AMC Collider days just want to say thank you all the content you all been a big part of my day today thank you jamman that's very kind why can't we get more of those we do yeah we do I'm telling you I the now the but that's the problem is that they're just loud that there's a lot there's a lot of positivity in this comment section daily they really are hard we work hard I've everybody look the conversation in general in here is normally pretty nice. We have a good comment section. Yeah, because they kiss your butt.

They come after me. That's not true. Come on. People give me shit all the time. But what I love, though, this is the thing, though. This is what I continue to do, and I have no problem doing this. I always look at my channel like a store. And when people walk into my store and if you say, like, hey, I don't like these chips that you have,

because the reason why you don't have these chips, I prefer if you can change this up a little bit and do this. I agree. Thank you so much. Thank you. You're fucking asshole. You've got this. You're a douche.

Get out of my story. You're never coming back and I'm going to throw you out. If somebody, there were people in the, like the last of us reaction. There are people who go, you know, the fact that you're talking over this,

I'm not a fan of it because I would rather you've done this. I'll let those people be. They're just, they were voicing their concern. There's other people going, this guy's annoying, but you're never coming back here. I'm throwing you out by the seat of your pants.

I, free speech. It's not free speech. It's my place. It's my place. You can say whatever you. Free speech is you can go on Twitter and go speech is you have to be a civilized person yeah yeah i get that all the time because i'm more

abrasive than you are at times and people are like you just can't handle uh someone to have a different opinion i actually can if you're presenting it in a way that's intelligent logic if you're cutting it with anger and toxicity with vitriol why would i waste my time with you are you i don't need you yeah Hank pym eat you this live mark really thought live would i land a major movie how dare you he was drinking that tk o k of kule like it was traded coffee. Stop this. All I said was, Oh, don't even. Let me finish. It's still

a starring role. Bullshit. It's a starring role. Willie James is the starring role. The main Asian actor is going to play the detective is a starring role. She is the daughter of the congressman and she's been kidnapped. Oscar winning,

Liv Morgan. Oscar winning Lou of Morgan. Please. How many people bought into that? By the way, and I stand by what I say, by the way. I looked at, I was watching Raw the other day, which was, which wasn't so much better than Smackdown. Smackdown is so dull. That's weird. It used to be the old year show. God, it's so boring. But Raw is, is, is good. I was watching it. And like I said, I stand by it. Becky Lynch is a great performer in wrestling. She is so over the top. She is not a better actor than Liv Morgan. She's a better,

she's a better wrestling, better wrestler, better wrestling performer, 100 percent, better superstar. I get it. But as far as acting character, yeah, live is much better. I don't disagree with you. And we've lived long enough to see Becky go from Rebel to John Cena. She is now the John Cena that people are quietly starting to not like or hate so much so that she did a video. She did a video recently, like the last couple of days, she put up on her social media pushing back on people calling her Becky Hogan because they're calling her that she's like working the, yeah, they're calling her Becky Hogan, who's working the politics backstage to grow up on herself. Yeah. The big team.

King follows it up. He says part two. It would have been cool to see them go through the void alone, finding and helping each other emotionally one by one. Then they get to the final room. They are on a team on an emotional level. Oh, wait. Sorry.

I missed part one. My major gripe with the Thunderbolts is that we don't see anyone other than Yelena go through the void to face their trauma. It's true. And it would have been cool to see them go through the void alone, finding and helping each other one by one. Then when they get to the final room as a team, they're on emotional level.

I agree. I just think the problem is the movie. we would have been too long but i don't disagree with that would have been two and a half hours yeah i but i agree with that that's a great point and i agree with that criticism too um it's it's really good criticism okay so next one here this is johnny venerable christian roca where does tomorrow's and or arc rank among the best of star wars tv episodes better than luke on mando boboffett's return um as an overall show i think it's the best as an overall show all the way through as the moment in general I mean, it's going to be hard to beat that Luke moment.

I mean, come on, that's a, that's a major water cooler moment all the way around. But good, like, television-wise, it's the best, these are the best three episodes of Star Wars television hands down. Yeah, I tweeted it out and posted it on social media when I was watching it that day, when I was watching all 12 in one day. And I said this is that a certain episode and is the greatest episode of Star Wars television I've ever said. And I would say it's better than the Luke Mando thing, not because the Luke Mando thing was an amazing moment. episode. Yeah. But the way they're building to the Gorman Massacre, it is incredible.

And the payoff is beyond what you would expect to see in a Star Wars show. And they pull no punches. And even within it, there's some shocks and twists and turn. It's crazy stuff that happens. Cool Cash, CG. How crazy is it that Iron Heart drops next month? Yeah, that's what John was saying. Like, it's like there's been really no big promotion on that whatsoever.

That was one of the moments, though. Like I said, I think when I saw Black Panther 2, I was like, look, I love Ryan Coogler. Like clearly from a movie in Synerys is one of my favorite directors right now. That placing Riri in that movie seemed like they were going, hey, you want to watch a new TV show? And it's like, not really. I don't really, I haven't responded to the character.

I mean, so no, not for me, but there's other people who want to see it. But I will say the trailer that they showed a D23, like two years ago, Looks pretty good. So maybe it sounds like to be a good show. I don't know. Yeah. Buster Barnes. Hey, is it not a slightly concerning sign for comic book movies if Thunderbolts makes

less than Brave New World considering the different in general reviews? No, because here's a difference. Major people in, um, main, just the average movie goer. If I say to someone, hey, you ever heard of the Thunderbolts? Nope. You ever heard of Captain America? Yeah. Yeah.

It's got a name. That's why we're making that point with the Avengers thing and seeing how that does. It's completely different name recognition and you're 100% right. So not all comic movies are the same, nor do they have the same parameters and X factors and context. So everything is different. So Thunderbolts is actually doing well for the kind of movie it is for right now. It won't hit the Marvel Heights that we've seen before.

Captain America 4 underperformed from the Captain American movies who've seen in the past and the feeling people had walking out of Captain American movies from the past. So each one comes out in its own different context. And that's how you have to look at it. Yep, Fasia Brut. Entire cast of Thunderbolts brought their A-game. Agreed. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Crystal 2.0, Bob's my new favorite thing in the MCU.

He was great. I keep, I was supposed to, like I said, I had the interview set up for last week. Then we were supposed to do it today after this show and then they pushed it back to tomorrow. So we'll see if it happens. Lewis, come on, Lewis. It's not him. He's got, he's been busy. They're trying.

They're working hard to try to make it. I think they were like planning on the fact that maybe it wouldn't have done as well. But now that it has, there's more. Maybe. Maybe. So they have got to fill them. Yeah. No, they've been, they've been very kind with how they're speaking.

Lord, uh, Mung, saw Thunderbolts and 3D. Fantastic 4 looked amazing. Are you 3D fans? When it's done well, yes. And if it's not the big clunky ones, I don't really do the big clunky ones as much anymore. No, no, yes, I am a fan of. But when it's just converted nonsense, no. depending on how my schedule plays out tomorrow my plan is to go see it in 3D

i didn't even know it was offering legal yeah yeah yeah the i max 3d okay uh edward collins the second so when the movie comes to digital and blu-ray with the will the title still be thunderbolts a fantastic question great question oh no probably not i don't think so i think at that point you'd be stupid to do that i think you have to if you want to sell the blu-rays and everything else and you want to get people to watch it then you absolutely release it as newer vendors once you rebrand you rebrand yes why would you go to the old brand doesn't make sense jake s defeating the void with a group hug was brilliant agreed yeah i love it um fred fred i'm honestly worried for doomsday and secret wars how come fred

um is it just because you don't think there's enough build up to it why you're worried about it i'm kind of getting hopeful about it to be honest especially after that's that post credit scene yeah yeah mad sinister mccall worst social media interaction that went too far ever Who knows? I mean, there's got to be, there's got to be infinite versions of it. Yeah. I can't even think of one.

I don't know. Yeah, I try to stay away from all that shit. I don't know. Michael Baldwin, Haley Star is shining because of sinners. Agreed. Will her people demand that she be on the main Avengers?

Florence is on another level. She has to be the leader of the main team. Well, yeah, go ahead, I've been saying this for a while. This idea that you're trying to sell me, Imman Valani is the one who puts the young Avengers together is ridiculous.

Like, Haley Steinfeld is the much more in-demand actress. She is the much more experienced actress and dare I say, the better actress. And so to me, I think you've got to lead with her. She's been, she's been wowing us since true grit. So like, that's a long time ago. So you have more audience investment in her than you have Imman Volani. So to me, that's the smarter move, especially now after sinners.

It's her that you want to be putting the team together. I think that's where you have to go making good pivots with the Young Avengers, you know? Well, yes, that would be this, I think the smart way to do it as far as star power goes. But as far as her people demanding, that deal's already done. So they're not going to be able to demand shit right now because that deal's already done. But if the powers at B were and the Rousseau's writing, you would want to lead with Haley Seinfeld for sure. Seinfeld. Fossier Ruth.

I love Thunderbolts. I'm seeing it in PLF again. People are, yeah, that's another thing we haven't talked about. Repeat viewing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. just like sinners sinners. Sinners is surviving because of repeat

viewing. Just had Renetta say five times. Yeah. Ed. Hey, we saw the F4 rocket. They're coming out to our alt universe from theirs and the end of the film. Or in the Fantastic Four trailer, Reid says he tested the, and it broke off. But yeah, I see,

we see the rocket. I mean, it's going to end with them coming to our universe. Right. Yeah. uh ryan finally waiting for mando scorpion to appear in spider man okay i'm not sure what that means mandos scorpion i mean there is a scorpion in the spider man i'm not sure what you meant there right uh bounce of space and something responded maybe that's a misdirect and it wasn't how galactic has found them but it actually fury making contact yeah is fury going to be the one who's calling them

back again maybe i don't know maybe you know michael made an excellent point point last night. He's like, there's no guarantee that Galactus is, there's no guarantee that Dr. Doom is in the same universe as this Fantastic Four. Right. It could be a Doctor Doom from another universe and this Fantastic One of the universe. So you bring in Galactus, what's the situation there with Fantastic Four and Galactus? That's true. He could have killed the Fantastic Four in his universe. Right, right. It's a good call. Katie O'Hara, as I told John last night, need more of Bob's abs. Sam's the only opportunity for a posit in this film. hilarious. Yeah, she's going to have a lot of posit moments coming up pretty soon.

Oh, does she do it? There she do a posit. Oh, that was her whole, her whole schick was that we were watching one of the, I figured it might have been Thor. And she goes, pause it. It was no, actually originated in Deadpool Wolverine. She said pause it. So that's, oh, yeah, those guys are in fantastic. There's been a lot of positive. And I've, I've gotten my posit moments in there now, too. let's see we're going to go now to we got some more we got some more we got some more we got some more and this is met bull what's up james what percent of the marvel and star

wars audience from 2015 are gone permanently great question my friends were all star wars comic people and maybe one out of ten are still watching it's a great great question um star wars has an opportunity though because of what we talked about star was an opportunity to get a lot of people back now will they i don't know but they do because they don't have as much shit as Marvel did and because there's just too much of it that you feel people could get lost in it. So I would say that there's probably more,

because Marvel probably had the bigger audience too. I still think that they have more interest, but I also think they probably lost more people. Yes, I would agree with that. And yeah, they have lost people. It's just the way it is. And they might not ever get them back, to be honest with you.

And they might have to adjust their expectations. Yeah, they just, they got to keep putting out good shit. And the question is, you're going to see from, from Avengers and Doomsday, because this is their opportunity to also set up the new X-Men to get people, you know what I mean? Like you get them really locked in.

So that's going to be, it's going to be crucial. It's going to be crucial. Yeah. Okay. Let's see. Next one. I'm waiting to see where we're- Yeah.

You might not be able to get the old audience back, but you might get a new audience back. Right. Time moves on. Generations. Good. X-Men. Yeah, especially with the X-Men. Okay.

Nathan Drake. but is animation really forever? Stop it, Nathan. Stop it. Christian Mnard. Marvel did the first blackface. What did he did? Oh, I like the way Boyd looked with creepy eyes and see it.

Well, I don't know. I don't think that's what it is. That's not blackface. No, they would have been a lot of more. There would have been articles everywhere. The Cali Kid, MCU crushed with Deadpool and Wolverine and Thunderbolts, even Cap Forrest, some cool stuff. Wyatt, Russell, and David Harbor are highlights in the Thunderbolts.

I agree with all that. Yeah, yeah, I think it just Captain America was just kind of a I think there's a cool action sequence as Captain America and some interesting ideas. It just doesn't hold together as strongly as it should have. Right. Armada. I think it would make MCU less convoluted after Secret Wars if the new X-Men and Fantastic Force starts in another universe while still having the 16, 616 universe ongoing. As long as they don't over even like blend into each other.

Right. It's just, multiverse stuff has to end after this. Like no more, no more multiverse stuff. Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

It's probably, yeah, I think he's going to pair it down to a main timeline. Yeah, just Dunskey. Yeah, I'd go to the TVA too, I imagine.

I think so. Julius Wyatt, Bob and Yelianna's relationship was great. I wonder what's next. Yeah, I think that they're, she's probably going to be able to control him a little bit. I hope for help him rather than control him.

Yeah. I hope it's not a love relationship. I kind of like the fact that they're individuals in their own way, and I wonder if it's going to be like more of a brother-sister relationship, which I would be for that too. I refer that to. Buster Barnes. So after they defeated the void,

did the people in the helicopter spawn in the now-destrored helicopter or spawned into the sky and floated it does? It's a great question. I don't think that they thought that far ahead, but that's a great question. In the same way that like when people snap back from the Thanos thing, there's probably tons of crashes and shit that went down. Yeah. Yeah, you don't know where they snap back too.

You're right. Yeah. It's a great call. Craig Hoffman, Avengers Assemble, animated series. on Disney Plus is a great telling of the Thunderbolt that was ripped straight from the comics. Oh, really? Cool. That is interesting. I didn't know. Al Rensha, Duderoga's

response to my question, hashtag support for Roxy. What was the question that he asked? I don't know. We answered so many. He's going to bring in some, he's going to bring in. probably Al complaining about the undercutting of the power of century. Oh, okay. Elusive Rock. I hope we get Doom's

origin via the void. Also, I'm pretty sure Keith Sanfell is playing the main MCU surfer. that'd be cool we'll see we'll see that's the rumor but you're not how can you be pretty sure elusive unless you know someone who's making the movie how can you be pretty sure ryan finally began watching jeddic counsel when i was 13 now i'm not 22 oh my god never forget the rush when i got when my question was answered on the show that's so cool what do you expect from phloony star wars movie if it ever happens lots of cartoon writing

do you have the same buzz now that christian's reading your question in 22 do you not probably not No, he doesn't care anymore. But I will say that there's probably, I mean, I think that what I would hope on the positive side, I think Ryan, I hope that it would be, I actually hope that he would have the balls to actually do the Thron trilogy. And the rumor that they said they were going to do, like the Air of the Empire and actually have Luke and stuff in it, fight back against Kathleen Kennedy a little bit and actually use that storyline. But he won't. Damn, I like that idea. Yeah, he won't.

Nathan Drake, I wonder if they go into where all the New York heroes were during the void attack or just act like it didn't happen. Like, where was Spider-Man? We were Spider-Man during Deer Devil. Yeah. I mean, this has been the complaints for decades. In the comics, they're like, well, why didn't this person show up there? They're in New York. It's like, come on, guys.

Just deal with what's there. I know, still. Motor rolling, what's up, Joe? Fun little Easter egg of True. Girl that got voided in front of the guardian is the daughter of the woman who got saved by Cap. in the first Avengers film is that true i don't know i don't even know that that's true if true it says fun literally straight if true oh that is fun people are probably speculating about that yeah uh Darren Leslie Jr if sam is suing little petty he'll need a lawyer

I hope that she hoax way into that's a great or or or Matt Murdoch or Matt Murdoch right right yeah they cover that kind of stuff I don't know it's like I mean who knows if they cover I don't know if they cover that so Avengers is 14 years ago plus the five years of the blip right so that's 19 years before yeah or but you know before this movie so there's no way that that waitress who is ashley johnson by the way there's no way she has a like an eight-year-old child there's just no way yeah uh pooch but i always say this pooch shoot bryant i love the thunderbolt soccer team sponsored by jokes had the theater uh cracking up it was funny take it easy you guys make my week sub to rokey y'all yeah go and do that thank you

future appreciate it uh has row 24 i audibly said oh shit when a little girl got voided yeah that moment was so intense and raised the stakes for the entire mccu thanks for working hard thank you yeah it was that was a dark moment for sure absolutely i was a press screening and blurr i was like yeah yep the ray infinity show brand new day will be the spider island story arc i don't know enough about that do you know that uh that makes sense if they make that work with with the spider man story yeah we'll see christian madard i I can't see Sam leading the Avengers and Doomsday. I just don't see him as a leader like Cap or Iron Man.

I don't see any MCU characters leading the team. I think that that's why this is a smart idea to do the two teams because Sam can have his team, someone else can have his team. And then the audience kind of decides who, which team that they want to like root for. You know, and then they all got to join together anyway. Yeah, right. Yeah. Okay, next one.

Fasi Abrut. Have you seen fight or flight? It looks pretty cool. I was supposed to see it tonight. It's on with Josh Harton and Katie Sackoff. It was supposed to be. I was actually going to see that tonight in New York because they're there and Katie's going to be there tonight too. But I don't know.

I don't know if I can make. I'm doing the stuff with Sam today and I don't think they'll be able to make into the city. So it was bummer because I wanted to see Katie. I haven't seen her since I was in LA. David Mars, Mooney, Garland. You guys are the best. Don't spend my Canadian five in one place. Thank you, David.

Very, very kind. I appreciate you saying that. The Ray Infinity show ladies man Mac Murdoch should get with Yelena. I'd be down for it. I'd be down. But I want to see them back with, with, with,

with Karen. I want, yeah, don't you want something better for Yelena than, than him? Armada. Parent in Andor is a chump. Oh, sure.

My momathma's husband, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he's, but he's, but he's great. Yes. He's great, but yes, he's a chump. But he's such, he's such a, Yeah, he's such, he's, he's very Los Angeles. Yes.

Yeah. Chino, Thunderbolts is a great movie. I think Bob is going to be the new Stan Lee in Marvel movies. That's hilarious. It's showing up. And this is the Ray Infinity show. Well, Sam already have his team or start in Avengers 5. It'll probably be established already. Yeah.

Yeah. Especially because this one, as you said, the post credit scene is 14 months later. So Sam has had time to put together his. Yes. Yeah. And the inherent issue, oh, sorry, go ahead. No, it's going to say because the president told him, you got to put the same together. Yeah.

That's the former president, as Valentina alluded to. So the fact that Valentina can claim that her Avengers are the official Avengers versus Sam's, which were from the former president, that would be interesting too. That's true. That movie's going to be like three hours long. Yes. Right. Always forgot how good Jeffrey is in that. He's brilliant.

The beginning of the new episode is so good. Yeah. So good. um Cisco frisco I love listening on Spotify where I work keep up the great discussion thunderbolts definitely became a top favorite movie made me cry yeah it was emotional yeah as far as Spotify goes I am like I don't know what's going on the Friday episode I finally got it on on there it was like doing some stupid thing but it should be on

there I'm I usually down put them on Spotify as soon as we're off the air here nice uh see entertainment 77 I think the timeline will go thunderbolts plus mid-credit scene only daredevil born-again series thunderbolts post-credit scene then fantastic four sure i see what he's saying seeing thunderbolts the movie is takes place first yeah then the mid-credit scene with the the supermarket right then uh daredevil happens timeline wise again okay and then thunderbolts okay that's what he's sure sure uh spoiler free obviously thank you lee masters christian were you happy with K2SO's intro to and or season two. I know you had concerns.

They ignore the comics completely. Let me talk about that. Let me talk about that once stuff goes down. Once it happens. Right. If it happened. If it happened. You guys already know.

I mean, Alan Tudor already said he's going back. So I'll talk about it when it's time to talk about it. And John, I'll, we can discuss it next week. Who Shoot Riot? Imagine what Spidey would have felt in the void.

I know. You talk about trauma. All right. I know. Yeah. Nathan Drake, since Ross is the one who ordered Sam to restart Avengers, and now he's in prison on whose authority is Sam still going ahead with? I think that's what Valentina is going to fight him on. Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Yeah. Wiley Todd. What's up? Wiley. Hey, Wiley. Would love to know your more in-depth thoughts on the Mr. McMahon doc show on Netflix. As not a wrestling fan and only watching it with Roker watch-alongs, Mr. McNund is creep and awful dude. Yeah, I mean, you would, from everybody who's pointing at him.

You know, it seems, it sure seems like there's a lot going on there that was pretty, pretty creepy. So, yeah, the doc I thought was, John and I text back and forth about it. There's a lot of stuff in there that we already kind of knew and other things too, but they went into it. I thought it was a very well put together documentary. And I like the fact that they went into the things to adjust once all that was going down. So, but, you know, there's rumors that he's going to start a new federation now. Listen, I mean, if you watch that Hall of Fame ceremony at the WrestleMania, Yeah, there are a lot of people that were still complimenting events, including Triple H, John Cena.

So, like, it's a very complicated situation. Is the lawsuit dropped still? Is the lawsuit still going on? No, one section of the lawsuit was dropped, but the other section is still going. Or, yeah, it was thrown out, one of the two. But yeah, this whole situation here, I think, is very unsavory. But a lot of these guys and girls, ladies, their success is because of him. So it's a very difficult thing to untangle, you know.

really is and so it's it's yeah it's it's a really messy situation nerds engaged star wars post credit scene old school disney style avengers ominous closes with and it's wait s w post credit it's not star wars sw post credit old school disney style avengers on the war's secret war i was like star wars i'm just so used to s w a secret horse post credit scene old school disney style avengers ominous closes and x-man opens up to page number one no actor sees this direction. Let's say you. I think there's going to be more to that though, because I think the X-Men, I think both, I think once Secret Wars happens, the deal with, you got to remember what that, that deal was the loss, not lawsuit, but the contract was,

there was only, and I think we're past it now, but the deal was that when Disney bought over all the Fox properties, that they could use X-Men, but they could only use the cast that they were still contracted with, like Patrick Stewart, all the old, Hugh Jackman, all the people that were contracting, you could only, you couldn't recast them and do that until, I forget what year it was. It's either 2025 or 26. It might be, so by the time Secret Wars comes out, I think we'll be introduced to the new X-Men. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I think Doomsday will have all the old ones and then the new ones will start appearing in, uh, because I mean, there's speculation, you know, I've heard from sources that the X-Men movie would be right after Secret Wars. Right. And Russo's are probably going to be doing it. Yeah. Yeah.

the Ray Infinity show. I think brand new day will seem normal, but at the end it will reveal that Peter was in battle world the whole time. That is the Spider Island story. Right. That would make sense. Yeah. Because it's going to be the in between Doomsday and Infinity War, so it would make total sense. Why, he probably might not show up

in Doomsday, you know. Yeah. All right. John, so we've hit the end. So currently we're at 70. All right. Not too bad. Not too bad. Now sometimes people will, as you're signing off, we'll want to keep you on for really. You still got seven minutes if you wanted to stay for seven more minutes, but we'll see if people are going to do just that. If not, let's give you a wrap up. Where can they get you? What do you got going on today? There is one way.

Once again, another fun Monday. Thank you very much for having me on, Christian. I always appreciate these Mondays with you. If you guys want to follow me on social media at the Roka says, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Blue Sky and threads. I'm all over that stuff. Or you can subscribe to my outlaw nation channel, YouTube.com slash John Roka says later on, Vogel and I are dropping our for the most recent episode of Last of Us. And tomorrow back was spilled a tequila. Three more, three more. Motorola.

Messed up, I know, but so tired of watching kiddos teams lose, they're the braves due to continuing to show up three and 12th season, couldn't end any faster. Is you talking about this kid? I don't know. I can't talk about his kids. Kid out of his son. Oh, okay.

Sorry, bud. Sean McCabe, always great to see you guys. All the best sides. Thank you, Sean. And then last one for now. Matt W. Happy Revenge of the Fifth to Hity Abost. You guys have a favorite side star Wars character. I'll tell you who I really like that.

I wish that they would do more with is Quinlan Voss. Yeah. I wish I would do more with him. They mentioned him quickly in the Obi-Wan series. Hold-Dohs my guy. I always would love a hold-os, like a quiet little like five-episode holo series animated would be hilarious. Did you watch any of the new, what's the

Tales the Underworld. I have not been sent the links for that one. It's already on Disney Plus now. Oh, it is? Oh, no, I haven't watched any of it. Okay. I haven't seen any. I will watch it over the, oh, watch it maybe tonight this afternoon or something. It's got to be quick, right? They're like 10 minutes. Yeah, I'm sure. It's so funny. I'm just, like, you rewind 10 years ago. Like, I would have watched all them within seconds. I have no desire to watch them. I have no desire to watch them. I have no desire to watch skeleton crew. I'm barely, it's like Manoran and Grogu, I'm

excited to see, and and or obviously, Indore just ate up the second it came out, but I'm just not, I'm just not excited about this shit anymore. It's just like, I, you know what is it is like just, I, by not getting excited about anymore, it allows me to not be disappointed anymore about it. Well, I also think, listen, you're not

gonna, I'm older than you, so I'm gonna say this to you, don't be mad, but like as you get older, you kind of move away from some of the more not, how can I say this without being mean, but like, more of the less mature stuff, or are they more kids stuff? Or the more teenager stuff, you kind of move away

from it. It happens naturally. Maybe, but I mean, but even, but even it's not, but I'm not, but I'm saying, I know what you're saying, but also I think that there's an animation side of it that like, it's just, it's just so repetitive now. I like, I would watch some of the animation stuff if they like did, you know, like stuff from the Republic. Like I watch Visions. When Visions comes out, I always watch it.

Well, Visions is an art piece, man. That's all. I'm just so tired of the same. falloniverse i'm just tired of that's just that's fair boring the same characters over and over over again um i don't disagree joey he's a beast consistent two out of three three other three i love that man yeah i mean your baseball family that makes sense yeah um love it all right thank you guys for being here thank you to john for being here thank you guys will apple podcast spotify later john thank you for everything you guys have done for the show for the channel general we really appreciate you um we'll be back here tomorrow

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