The Kristian Harloff Show - TITLE CHANGE! Superman Legacy is now just SUPERMAN!

Episode Date: March 1, 2024

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. It is Friday. It's capes and cowls, and we got a lot to talk about. We got a lot of Superman stuff to talk about. The main topic, as you saw, James Gunn said, yeah, it was Superman legacy at first, but now it's just Superman. What does that title look like? And is it the right title? And did we get a confirmation of the Kingdom Come logo from David Cornswet's suit inside of that post by James Gunn? in a Superman. We talked about the rumor the other day about that budget. James going to address that. It's going to be a smaller budget. It's not going to be that inflated three plus budget that they said, but it's going to be bigger. Should it be? We'll have that discussion for sure. We're going to also talk about the idea of the MCU and the fact that they're going to stay to those street-level shows it looks like from a new rumor. And it also seems that they're going to stick with the multiverse even after Secret Wars, it concludes. Is that the right plan?

The crow has a new reboot out, and they showed a new link for it, a new image for it, rather. And it, interesting, Bill Scarsguard is the new crow. So we're going to discuss that. If you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here. Hit that button. Right now, we're at 131,000. Trying to get to 200 by the end of the year. We hope you'll be part of the discussion.

I hope you join us each and every day here for the big thing. Now, normally what I do is I'll say, okay, that's it. Winston, Coy, here we go. Let's get to it. And then the music starts. Well, the news for James Gunn and that new title broke after I was editing. So I said, well, I've got to talk about this. So here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to bring it up right now. I'm going to talk about that particular story. And then I'm going to play all the rest of the stories that we talked about. So Winston and Coy won't be part of this discussion, but I'm going to break down exactly what happened. and here is the news. Superman Legacy gets a new title as director James Gunn shares the first official look at Man of Steel's new suit.

Comic book movies Josh Wilding says, we'd hope that DC Studios, James Gunn, might somehow mark the Man of Steel's birthday and the filmmaker has not disappointed. Yes. Yes, today brings a long-awaited first look at David Corrin Sweat suited up as a DCU Superman. We don't get to see much,

but that's a big logo on his chest, and one clearly inspired by Kingdom Come. A story many fans are convinced will serve as a basis for what DC Studios has planned for this rebooted DC universe. James Gunn says overjoyed to be announcing the start of principal photography on Superman today. February 29th, which just happens to be, coincidentally, and unplanned Superman's birthday. When I finished the first draft of the script, I called the film Superman Legacy. By the time I locked the final draft, it was clear. The title was Superman.

making our way to you July 2025. So Superman legacy is now simply Superman or Superman with capital letters, I guess. Either way, it's a fitting title for the Man of Steel's grand return to the big screen, and we now just need to hope the movie lives up to expectations. With gun at the helm, we have faith in Superman delivering what fans have been waiting for this hero on screen. With any luck, we'll get to see more of Cornswett's take on the character soon, and that snow does indeed seem to suggest Soupes is at the fortress of Scyt. Solitude. So for now, take a look at Superman's logo in the Instagram post below, which you guys are seeing on the screen.

This is a kind of, let me give a little larger. It's not too much more, but here it is. And pretty much the same thing. Just get a little bit of the blue in the back. But yeah, definitely looks like he's at the fortress of solitude. As far as the title goes, man, yes, Superman. Look, Superman Legacy was cool. Didn't mind it. Superman Legacy was pretty, depending on what the story itself was. But I think calling it, just Superman, and I think you can pay homage to the original Superman with the Richard Donner version, whatever it might be. Maybe you do, maybe you don't. It doesn't matter. Superman, though, it's the standalone, and it's him, and it's just the beginning of it all. So, as we will say continuously in this episode when we're talking about Superman, we've got faith

in what James Gunn is looking to do, right? And the other thing is, I guess, pun-n unintended, he's not a hired gun on this thing. You know, he is someone, he's kind of self-appointed director. He didn't have to. He could have chose anybody to direct this film, but he wanted to do it. The passion was there for him to do this movie. And as, again, with the conversation that we're going to have about budget and what we talked about on Wednesday, he knows how to utilize budget. He knows how to cast the hell out of a film.

And he clearly has a vision of what he wants to do. And the fact that he wrote the script, he looked at it. He said, at first he said, yeah, I called this thing Superman. legacy. And as he's writing it, he's like, I don't feel like it is a legacy fits what this is. Superman. That's it. It's just Superman. I love it. I love the idea of it. It's also, not that Superman legacy was a hard sell, because it's not like something, to this day, bumblebee is, to me, the best live action, live action, Transformers movie that has been made thus far. But one of the reasons I am confident that that movie did not do as well as it should have is because it was

called Bumblebee and not Transformers Bumblebee. Now, Superman had it just been called legacy. Like, what the hell is it? But it was called Superman legacy. Still in the title. But just calling it Superman, it does just go, yeah, this is the, this is almost like what Tim Burton was able to do back in 89, Batman. See, a lot of people can't do that now with the Batman movies. You can't just call it Batman because there's been Batman, there's been Batman and Robin.

There's been all these things now. Granted, Superman came out back in 78. it's been a while. It's been a while. So to just call it Superman, and then you'll have when you are doing the search for which one you want to watch when you're picking it up,

if you're an old school fan of the Donner movie, you're going to have to search Superman and find the date 1978 and choose that one. But when it comes to this new one, I'm all for it, man. And it's easy. What are you going to see? Superman.

That's it. I'm going to see Superman. A lot of people would call that anyway. What are you going to see the new Superman movie? Now it's appropriate. Love the idea that that's what it's called. I also love the fact that it's getting so much more real now. Once the cast came out and once they announced everything and once Luther came, it was like, boom, off to the races.

And now we find out that we're shooting and we're going to start getting some more stuff. And when that first trailer drops, this is also a really good thing for them in general because after, and we give credit to Aquaman on this show. I didn't like the movie. The last one didn't like it, but I give credit to it. It fought and it fought and it fought. It was by no means the stinker that a lot of people thought it was going to be. It fought and it fought and it's fought. It didn't make it a profit.

I don't know. Probably not. But it didn't lose a ton of money. It didn't lose what like the Marvels did. Made a lot of money for what it was supposed to, for what people thought it was going to do. I think it is. But it doesn't, that that was the best kind of clothes they could have had to the D.C. EU. And by the time they get to Superman, not Superman legacy, by the time they get to Superman,

It's going to be pretty far removed from the DCEU, and it's going to be the first real, because a lot of times I look at it like Star Wars, right? I'm watching the Bad Bad Batch right now, and it's good. But most people, if you're the casual fan, they're not watching Bad Batch. They're waiting for the next movie, the next Star Wars movie that they're going to go see in the theater, right? So that's where they're connected. And it's the same way, yeah, they're going to have that was a creature commandos or whatever it is that the animated show that they're going to have, I'm going to watch it.

You're probably going to watch it. But most people, the casual fan, won't even know that that's the first DCU thing. So when Superman comes out, I don't even know that's what it's called, I think it is, maybe not, I'm not sure. Superman comes out, and that's the one that really jumpstarts it. And it's got to deliver. And the hype on it so far has been pretty good. The fact that they've got gun launching his own DC universe. and if it actually does deliver and it gives you that heart and it gives you the emotion,

then Superman is going to be a very successful film. My fingers are crossed for it. I ask you guys what you think. Okay, that's the first topic. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I got a chance to talk about. Superman's got a good title. I want to hear whether you guys think, does it work, does it not work?

Put your comments in the description. And we've got a lot of Superman talk here today, as I said. So let's get to it. It is. Capes and Cows, it's myself, it's Winston, it's Coy, here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Caps and Cows, big thing. It's myself. Coy, Jondro, Winston, a Marshall.

We're back, guys. The crew is back together. Man. It's good. I've been traveling too much this year. I'm so tired. Where are you in Philly? I was in Philly.

So in the last seven weeks, I've been in Virginia, Atlanta, North Carolina, Philadelphia, New York. twice. Sounds like the James Brown song. Just having a time. The coming to America. Philadelphia and LA. That's my travel schedule. I just read his thing. I thought he just had hos in different area codes. That's why he wrote the song.

It's important. Gotta stay busy. Very essential. So you were there. This was pleasure. Yeah, yeah. I was there to be my lady's girlfriend. So no hose and area is the opposite. Your lady's girlfriend?

Sorry, my girlfriend's family. That's what I meant to say. Why'd you ruin the narrative? Why'd you ruin the narrative? That's why I've been traveling so much. I've been trying to figure it out. I was just happy for cool. That's fair.

That's what I said. Being extra progressive. You corrected him. Let me have this mode. I met her family out there. I mean, look, I'm going to tell you something. You're just going straight up on the last day, a black history month. You go straight up just put all her progressive-ass business with her family.

Does her family know that she got a girlfriend? I'm just saying. That said, Philly is probably the most. comic stores per mile in a city I've ever been to. Oh, wow. There was so many comic stores. I went to seven comic stores walking distance in my hotel and then there was like five vinyl places. So the art scene in Philly

is way better than New York or L.A. in my experience. And then you get to get back and you watch Dune Part 2. Lose your mind. Life chance. I landed Saturday night, woke up Sunday, saw Dune and it's going to be hard to top for the year and it's March tomorrow. Like it's not even March yet. It's one of the few times, I mean, I can't even remember. I did

when I've done anticipated that my number one is most likely going to hit my number one movie, at least be in the top. Like, I walked in today, and we both were just like, do? Like, it's, I can't stop thinking about it. I feel bad for Winston, because he's sitting here like, I hear it's good. I know. He's going to see it this weekend.

Yeah, you're going to see it this way. I'm going to see it again. I'm definitely going to see it again. I want to check that out. Oh, I got an update for you guys. It's a bummer. Uh-oh. So I mentioned to you guys that I, you know, I hung out with a little one. I also brought her to the park. Yeah, yeah. He got the Hulu hoop out of the tree.

And all the little footballs. Everything. It was gone. The tree is just a tree. Maybe because it was the rain or whatever. Probably the rain. Nature might have time. Yeah, we had a, what, there was a tornado warning in San Diego.

Those tons of flood warnings all over the town. It probably just got knocked down. When I tell you that I was as upset when all these things were gone out of the tree, it felt like the same feeling when the Yankees lost to the Marlins in 2003. Ouch. That's what it's personal. Yeah. Their first sports reference.

I actually got that one. I felt that one for you. It's kind of in one near out the other thing. All right. It's fair. That's how I feel like 80% of the references. I'm like, unless it's about like specifically Belichick era Patriots or Connor McGregor, I'm kind of.

And it's for me, if it's not about either the Rangers or the Dodgers, I kind of don't care. He cares about the Yankees, so I care about him. And I think the fun rivalry between Red Sox and Yankees is more about the rivalry than the actual teams for me. It's like, no, I know. You walked in with a Red Sox hat. It's like, name four players.

Kurt Schilling Yeah, Kurt Schilling. Okay, listen, so what we're going to do now is we're going to go to the first story. Let's talk about some more Superman stuff. Here we go. Superman Legacy director James Gunn might have revealed the new S logo about a year ago, guys, year ago.

And so this is kind of a double-up report. There was some rumor that was going around that the budget on this thing was over 320 or 330. I can't remember. But James Gunn said, no, no. How would you even know our budget? Stop that. He didn't confirm what it would be,

but we can speculate on that. But he said 323. That's just silly. It's not going to be that big. But it's also come to light that James Gunn might have revealed the new S logo, the Man of Steel, that he's going to dawn in Legacy almost a year ago on social media. Mark Cassidy writes, the Superman Legacy cast recently took part in the movie's first official table read and a photo shared by Hawk Girl actress Isabella Merced is believed to have given us a first glimpse of the new S logo that David Corrin Sweat will sport in the movie.

James Gunn hasn't confirmed or denied that this year. which is inspired by the Kingdom Come logo will be part of the new costume, but it looks like the filmmaker may have teased this reveal almost a year ago. The DCU updates page noticed that Gunn shared a post to Blue Sky Social, shortly after joining the social media site

and included this very same Kingdom Come style symbol. This could be a coincidence, but it seems like a very random image to add to this particular post. And then so someone said, looks like James Gunn did reveal the Superman emblem for the suit. Whatever, everyone here is nice so far as what he wrote 11 months ago, and he posted that.

go. Isabela Merced at Superman table. Also put that in there. And then he has yet to comment on the table read leak, but with principal photography set to commence next week or even this weekend, we might get a glimpse of the new suit for ourselves. Okay, so let's start with the budget. I said this on the show the other day and let you guys comment on it, but I said that what I'd like to see this movie, I'd like to see it at like 120. There's no chance. It's going to be 200, to 10, but I'd love to see a smaller scale because there's no big actors in this movie.

I mean, Brosnahan is probably the biggest as far as Holt. Nicholas Holt is pretty big also, but I think Brosnahan, for multi-winning Emmy actress. I said that they're comparable depending on your market. Yeah, for sure.

I think that that's true. If you're a TV junkie, and if you're a movie, like, you know, but Holt's often more unrecognizable. That's what I mean. So I think, like, as far as recognition, he's a little bit more of a chameleon. So I don't know if people will know, oh, that guy.

I think it's, oh, yeah, I know exactly that. That's the guy from that show, the great, or he's from X-Men. But I don't know if either a household name beyond people already in the fandoms. Right. Like, Brazenahan's a household named a TV, like any watchers. And Holt is like, you know, a great that guy. But I know him because of. But there's nobody there that you're like, oh, you're going to break the bank on this person.

Kalinowski brought up a great point the other day. Hate to give him credit, but it's true. Broken clocks right twice. It's true. No, but he brought up a great point. What we always talk about in these budgets, right, are, you know, the CGI, the actor's salaries. What you're not talking about are the flights that you're paying for people, the hotels you're paying for people, the craft services.

What kind of craft services are getting? A number of film days. People don't talk about production schedules. They don't talk about this stuff. Like, you know, are you getting lobster brisk? Or are you getting for, or are you trying to cut costs on it? Yeah. So all those things add into it.

But I think because James Gunn has also worked with his guard, the first guard, the first Guardians, we looked at this the other day, $220 million, the budget, and I think the second... The first Guardians was $2.20? Something like that, budget-wise. And the second one was like $2.50? I think something like that.

And $2.20, 10 years ago, that'd be about, what, $2.60 now? It's pretty, yeah. It's so both hefty budgets. So because of that, and he utilizes his budgets, he knows how to use them. It does make me nervous, though.

I know that we're in a different time because of post strikes that maybe we're pulling back on budgets, but I still feel he's the head guy. He's going to say, yeah, it's Superman. Let's put a little bit money into it. I think it's always risky, but what do you think about budget

and what do you think about the logo? Do you think it's definitely going to be the logo? I think it should be the logo because you need something not only to distinguish this Superman, the trunks, I think, are also coming. But if you look at the logo, it logically, for a story, if you're going to do a new story, makes more sense than a traditional S,

because it's always like this symbol on my planet stands for hope, It's like, that's an S in times. Right. Like, it's weird as a narrative choice to be like, sir, that's an S they would have to adjust. Whereas like the symbol is like, it looks like it has S elements, but it's a symbol.

So I like the idea that this stands for hope in my planet versus like, so I like it narratively. And I also think that it does distinguish itself. And I think that if you go to Kingdom Come on a long timeline, it makes more sense to have a 10-year plan that goes there. If the symbol change suddenly, that's an odd thing of like, this is the cryptonian sigil of my family. I decided to change it now.

So narratively for a long form, I think it works. Budget. Budget, I think, I honestly, I'm hoping this one gets the 250. I think it deserves personally. I know we often talk about lower budget benefiting things, and I think Swamp thing should be 100. I think certain movies should be 100, but I think Superman, it needs that Guardians of the Galaxy

three polish, where you can do the flight sequences and make them large than life. You need to build metropolis out. You need to make, it's the first of a world. You need to make sure you establish. the entire world as this effect to do that because how much was it the first one the first one well I shot some of three and I think that I think it was I think it was about I want to tell you it was on two 15 I think I think let me say that's true hold on wait okay okay I mean all right June one is like

160 and then the second one's only one 91 about 30 million more um so the reason I asked you that question about because I still think you can build out a city and do all the stuff you're talking about and not spend 250 because the risk on 250 I understand going on one 91 one on June 2. Now that you said 190, I would like to see it just over two. Yeah, because the thing that scares me about it is

we all agree. If this movie moms, James Gunn and all of his plans, it's over. You can't survive. And even if it makes, you know, $300 or $400 million, and if it makes three or $400 and a $250 million budget, it's still lost money. It's a lot. But I think

this needs to make, I mean, Superman's the most recognizable comic book character. It needs to make eight. Right. But, but it should make that to start a universe anyway. I know, but if it makes it on a $120 million budget, $800, then it's way more of a profit. But I don't want them handicapped

by the outlook of hope for a bigger... I think they need to make an incredible movie, whatever it costs. I don't think they should be looking at budget on this one to kick off a universe. I know Iron Man had to, but that was a C-list character. Like, Superman is the guy, and we haven't had a good Superman movie in so long. I know, but budgets, I think, actually

diminish a movie sometimes. Oh, absolutely. But look at Dune, like where it just enhanced a world. That's what I'm saying just over two. Yeah. But see, here's the thing. Dune already, the first one as that was going, for that being at a lower budget, we weren't hitting the budget issue quite yet because we hadn't run into the pandemic issues.

You have to... This was in that. This was when they were shooting it. It was 2020 when they were shooting it. They had to like mask up on it. Really? I thought they shot it like kind of like 2019 into the start of 2020 and they finished. I think they were ending in the pandemic. Maybe. But that's so when it was when it was mapped out.

And on top of that, when they were doing it, the plan was always, we're going to release it in theaters. That's why everybody got broadsets up, like, you know what I'm saying? They got broadsided. Blindsided. Blindsided. Thank you. Jesus. My point is.

Don't need to call me that. He's appreciative. You gave him knowledge. You have part of wisdom. That's fine. Anyway. Surgeon. Coming back from broadsided.

You missed. You missed a big moment. What was last? What was it? Well, we put it on Patreon, but I'll show it to you. Winston, have you watched it back? No. No, I'm not on Patreon.

Well, I just send you a link. For people who did see it on Patreon, we put the episode up, as you know, on Thursday nights. We put the episode up so patrons can see it early. There were two bits that we left into the show last week that we cut out of the main thing. But when I mentioned a particular person on the thing, Winston goes like this. Hey, it wasn't that ridiculous, bro. Yes. Oh, man.

Watch it is one of my favorite moments. It's so, considering who we're talking about it, it's so innocent. I love that there's a Snyder cut. There's a Snyder cut of the show. It's a capes cut. That's so good.

Anyway, so where are you going? So my point was, that was a state at which people were still going to the movies. So they budgeted accordingly. And that's that much lower of a budget. And yet, somehow, we spent 300 on, on,

Indy. We spent, what, three? 20 on the flash And 370 on Fast and Furious. And that is all post-pandemic. The box office don't slap the way it's slap. Like the only two movies, three movies that have slapped since post-Pent, four. The only 19 movies.

There's literally four that have crossed the billion dollar marker where as pre-pandemic, it seemed like one every like 10 Blockbuster was doing it. And it was just now, Top Gun, Spider-Man, Jurassic World and Avatar. That's it. Don't forget about Barbie and Super Mario. Those are the two the last year. Because the others that I mentioned were the years previous. So you've had six, right?

And those are situations where they were so spectacular and whatnot that fine. But also their budgets weren't necessarily that high. You know what I'm saying? Spider-Man might be the only one in Avatar. Top Gun was probably not that high. And look, Oppenheimer almost did it too. It was close to. I think Oppenheimer is going to by the end of things.

No. No, but going to your point is that the amount of profit you can make with the IP alone. Right, right? And I think the Superman IP, but that's where you start to get a little nervous with the adding of the green lanterns and the hawk girls and all that stuff. But I don't think that's going to cost them that much because, like, Isabel Merced's not going to be as expensive as she will be. It's not that. It's more so about the characters I mean because you're not focused. In the same way that you and I are, and I believe Winston also are very adamant that the next Spider-Man movie should be more personal.

scaled down neighborhood Spider-Man story. That's what I was hoping for. With Superman was it was more like a Superman 2 type story. You know, it's a he or Superman 1 in that it's just, it's a scaled back thing. But if it gets too big and grand right away, of course it's going to be money. It doesn't matter who your actors are because it's going to be because you're just bringing in so many different things. But I think it needs to be grand to establish the tone of the universe. So not grand in the sense of like I think there's only going to be a few Justice League scenes.

I think there's not going to be a lot of them screen time wise. It'll just be introducing them. giving him another family. I don't think they're like co-leads personally. I think it's going to be, well, we've talked about it. Like James Gunn's found family thing. It's going to be the family of Monpok Kent,

the family of the guys of the Daily Planet, and then his new family, the Justice League, that I think are already formed that he's meeting. So I think there's just going to be like a bridge. So I think that the budget-wise, what you need to do is make sure that the opulence feels like this really shiny metropolis so that when you go to Gotham, it feels different.

When you go to, and that's the reason I think about $200 million is it needs to be the best movie. Right. And I don't think it has so much working against him. It has all of the people that think they're DC fans but are actually a fan of one version of it. It has all the people that are mad at that falling apart. It also has everyone doubting what Zazlov's been doing as he's like cutting the Acme movie.

And like it has a lot of opposition. But the movie fans are going to be talking about it. The marketing behind all those things. It needs to be such a good movie that it gets rid of those people's. I'm not even trying to be a negative Nancy. We know this movie's going to have reshoots. Every movie does, especially action movies, especially movies with CGI, you look at something

it doesn't work. If you already start at 200 to bring all this back in because you're going to have to redo all that stuff, you're looking at least 20 to 25. Sometimes what they budgeted to that into the... Sometimes you build it into the budget. Yeah, Marvel has additional photography week and then sometimes they have two weeks. They usually always prep out.

Okay, okay. If that's the case, then fine, but even then, I think cap that at 170 and leave yourself cushioned if you have to go into danger territory and do that. Because on top of the fact that, how many different delays have happened because of strikes? We're potentially going to have to deal with another one with Waiazzi at this point because now their contract is up and now they're gearing up for that.

I don't expect it to go nearly as long as the SAG and WGA and WGA. You don't need a crew when a movie you're talking about. Well, I mean, but it's just, I get tagged on this stuff. I love you. I get tagged on the budget stuff now all the time. Sure. So we just gladiator two, three hundred million dollars. Joker over 200.

Unless they do the original Nick Cave Scripts. Did you ever read that back in your studio days? No. Do the gladiator scripts crazy? It's crazy. It's Rosso Crow fighting Jesus. What? That is pretty nice. He goes to purgatory and he's like this guy, they're worshipping out there. It's like this crazy biblical, like, Latin, disgrace.

They're definitely not going to do that. But either way. Mel Gibson's passion, too. But either way, these budgets, what I want to see is I want the studios to kind of mandate, hey, the director comes in and goes, yeah, it's going to probably cost us $200 million. We're not doing that anymore. What do you mean? Well, we're only doing $1.50.

these are top and it depends on what the IP is. We want to try to do 130. Now, that's our budget. That's what we're going to do. It's the agents also who are very responsible for the deals and all these different things. But they should cap out these things at 130, 150. It's all like death rattles of capitalism. It's all

it's costing so much that you can't really like make that statement because by the end of filming six months of inflation is going to change what things cost. I know. And when you're looking at millions, that's exponential. But I bring up the creator and I bring up Godzilla minus one. And I bring up these movies that you can make look special and you can make

look big and you can focus more of this because the thing is what these studios always do and this is the studios for more than everything else. Well, the audience is going to be bored. They're going to be bored. I don't think you should add spectacle for the sake of spectacle. I think a spectacle film should have spectacle that looks like it's complete. That's more my concern. I understand.

Yeah, so I just don't think the first film in a universe should be kneecapped if it needs to cost a blank mask. Hold on, hold on. Oh, Superman? Can I get the Barbie budget really fast. The Barbie budget was 145. Okay. So how many stars were in that? Margot Rai, Ryan Gosling, America Ferreira, Will Ferrell, Helen

Miron, you got Dua Lipa that did a song. You had Billy Eilis. You had Lizzo do a song. You had Issa Ray infinite stars in that movie. Points are probably given out all over the place. And which is also fine. And you had Greta behind it. So like all of that collectively, that's a lot of potential star power. And yet you did not break the budget. You did it for 145. There is no reason for something is that, there's plenty of magic in that, and you're going to have upped stuff as far as Superman goes.

So fine, give me an extra 30, put me at 175, you can still do that. And again, stop focusing on making things the biggest they possibly can be and focus on telling a good story that people are going to connect to, that they're going to laugh, that they're going to cry, they're going to cheer. That is the part that needs to be focused on. And I think that that's what, that's why I say, if it wasn't James Gunn, and it was like, oh, they're doing this for 200,

but James Gunn, as we talked about, knows how to navigate a budget, and I still think, to me, Guardians 3 is the best out of the three of them. It was the one I was emotionally attached to the most, and I think he told the best story in that one and used his humor and used the humor when it was time to move back and forth, because when he wants to, he can really gut punch you with emotion. He did it with, even Guardians 2, which is my least favorite out of the three,

but he did it really well with the Yon-do stuff. and rocket stuff in that one also. Especially in hindsight from three. Yes. And the peacemaker stuff he does in the series with his dad. So he knows how to do that. And with that 200 to get, I don't think he's just going to throw images on your face.

It's not what James Gunn does. He's going, but I just, I think that it's more so for me. It's like a larger thing I just want to see happen in general. I agree with the overall. I just think Superman's an example of one time. I want a little flex.

So I can land between 175 and two instead of just over two. too, because I didn't realize how cheap Barbie was. Not cheap, but I didn't realize. I didn't realize that. How much lower? I didn't realize that. I'm going to say 240 is what this budget comes out to, and I think that's too much. I think it's too much, too.

And I guess also from the standpoint, I think that there is something about leading by example. I get he's the boss. He's running things. Yeah. I think if you set the tone right now, this is what we're doing, and I'm going to show you how to do it. Exactly. You are now showing your follow-up directors. Oh, yeah.

No, we can make it. Okay. I'm not giving you 200. Here's 150. Make it work. Look what I did. I also think there's some merit in the rumors that they're building a really beautiful package to sell. I think W.B.

It might be making a very beautiful, okay, we just made this incredible Superman movie. We just attached Tom Cruise. We have all these talent and it's for sale. So I think they might be making a really beautiful, you know, bow. Well, if that's the case, then spending more on these movies. Someone else's dead. They're a problem. I understand that, but you have to make it appealing to the person that's going to potentially buy it.

If all of a sudden they see UBE have how many movies that are going to cost me $250, that I got to deal with? Why do you think they're cutting so many movies? They're trying to get that overhead down. Which is totally understand why you're doing that. Why make it worse? Right. I know,

I hear you. I just think you need this Chinese Superman. It's interesting because this has never happened, like the scale of this. The IP is big enough to where it's justified. It is. And I get it. It's just that I want this thing to work. Right.

So, and especially Superman. Superman, to me is my favorite. You know, and I want to see a really good Superman movie. And I just, what I don't want to see is like a, movie now granted the quality of a black atom right that movie made 450 whatever it made 500 and it either broke even or

lost money and it made that movie would have cost $100 million would have made money and that's the kind of stuff it's just like I wish that they would do more of that like a scale down and I agree to 9 times out of 10 I think my one time I had a 10 is I understand your point I do

I get it I guess the part to me that just continues to stick out above all else Christian made a very good point last week. Obviously, you weren't here. But he was essentially like, look, if Superman, you need it to make money and make a lot of money, right? If it breaks even, you'll probably push forward, but, like, people will be a little on edge. If it does it at minimum bust even, and you've said this too, that's a wrap.

So if you genuinely overinflate this budget and you set it at 250, which means you got to hit at least half a billion, right? because between theaters and advertising. $4.75, we're in huge trouble, and this is all for not. And I'm not saying that they can't do it. I believe in James Gunn based off of what I've seen him do. I just feel like if you're going to Vegas and you only got $200 to bet, you don't walk in and drop. I'm dropping $180 on a table right now on the first bet. Until you win money.

And then you play with house money. But I do understand your point. But if you're going to the table with super. You got it. I get it. I get it. So we ask you guys as far as the symbol goes, as far as the budget goes, please put your thoughts in there. It's very helpful to know kind of the conversation going on. We love having the back and forth with you guys. It really helps the show not only with the algorithm and those types of things, but it also kind of, we can kind of read the room. It's what people are thinking also. Like, stop with the budget stuff. We don't care because I saw someone write that like, because I guess Snyder says, like, there was some quote that Snyder had about the budget and. saying, what do you guys care about the budget? It's not to us, but it's in general. It's not your money. And I think that's, I love Snyder, but I thoroughly disagree with that statement. Do you want more movies? It's like because that's, it's not your budget. It's still a business. It's show business. But it totally affects us because I think it affects the quality a lot of the

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might have something to say about this Eric, Draven. Josh Wilding says just as it was beginning to feel like the crow might never see the light a day. Vanity Fair has shared a first look at Rupert Sanders reboot starring John Wick chapter four's Bill Scarsgard. The actor inherits the iconic role of Eric Draven with FK Twigs joining him as Shelly. Hey Shelly. Both are murdered when her past catches up to her leaving Eric caught between life and death to avenge their respective demise at the hand of Danny Houston's demonic villain. What drew me to this was the opportunity to make a dark romance. something that dealt with lost, grief, and ethereal vein between life and death and reaching through that.

The filmmaker explains, look, I grew up listening to Joy Division and The Cure, and this movie is a bit like a cure song, The Beauty of Melancholy. We recently learned that The Crow is scheduled to be released in theaters on June 7th, wow, and has big shoes to Phil seeing as it follows the cult classic starring the late Brandon Lee. Original became infamous after Bruce Slee's son was shot and killed and a firearm stunt gone wrong. He was on the cusp of becoming a huge action star in Hollywood, and this new take has clearly pulled inspiration from the 94 movie with James O'Barr's graphic novel. Obviously, it was a terrible tragedy, and it's definitely something that we've always had in mind through the making of this film.

Sanders says of Scars Guard predecessor. Brandon was an original voice, and I think he will always be synonymous with The Crow, and I hope he's proud of what we have done and how we've brought the story back again. His soul is very much alive in the film. There's a real fragility and beauty to his version of the Crow, and I think Bill feels like he is a successor to that. Based on the image shared in the ex post, more can be seen on Vanity Fair's post. This Eric will be a lot more grounded in reality and will sport facial tattoos in place of that striking white face paint. As you might expect, the response to this change has been decidedly mixed. I think the beauty of Bill is that he has a disturbing beauty and he transforms through his loss.

He becomes that thing he can't control. It's that famous line. Whoever fights monsters must be careful that they don't become one. Okay, so the Crow, the Brandon Lee movie I'd love. Absolutely love that I watched it. I've talked about it on S-E-N. That's where Professor Crow came from because I kept bringing up the Crow. You better stop talk about the Crow!

No one, Crow! Screaming it. But it was a great, great performance, great movie, crazy movie, and a tragic thing that happened to Brandon Lee, obviously. I love Bill Scorescourt. I think this guy is a superstar. I think his act, like, he was great in John Wickford. He's got so much presence.

So much present. And Pennywise and all the things that he's done. Popped recently as villains, right? So to see him as the hero, in a darker hero, kind of anti-hero almost, I could see it. I don't love the new look. I really don't. Doesn't mean I'm going to judge the movie. He looks like he's ready to play.

He does look like he's ready to play a concert in London in like the 80s, right? And he looks like a new age. I understand like what the crow kind of looks like in that regard, but he kind of reminds me of the insane clown posse in its own way. Yeah, and I get it. He's a musician, and he goes back, but I'm not going to judge the movie on it yet, because I haven't seen the movie. The look I don't love, and I don't really love Rupert Sanders.

I don't, I mean, his, his directing's not great. It doesn't make me think the crow, for sure. No. But I like being proven wrong. That's the point. It's like, I am interested to see because I like him. I like Bill Scarsgarter. I want to see what he's going to bring to it.

But that's one of these things, man. You've got to be, if you're going to carry on an iconic performance like that, you better hit on all cylinders, not just with Bill Scarsgar's performance, because that's the thing that's probably leading for you the most. Yeah, I've been worried about this movie. I mean, I haven't watched a single Crow sequel.

I have no problem with the reboots and sequels because the original always exists. Like, I get people feeling like it diminishes the original, but the original, like, doesn't, unless it's on a streaming service doesn't go away. So I personally don't mind, but I do have worry over tone. Because they've talked about Bradley Cooper. They've talked about Jason Mamoa.

Jason Mamo, even got suited up. They talked about Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg is attached for two years. And all of those tones aren't the crow to me. This is the most crow to me. You know who was close? Norman Reed us at one point was. Oh, that would have been amazing.

He was locked in for one. Didn't know that. So to me, of the names I knew this is the closest, especially like you said, with his presence, with his star power. He was at the screening of the flash I saw and he came out of the theater and it was just leaning against the wall and like Seeing Scars guard leaning against the wall had more presence than most movie stars like at the height of the red carpet like he just has that nest where you're like that's an interesting Captivating human being so that's what I want from the crow because I think Brandon Lee had that I think that the crow's imagery is so striking because of the the person wielding it. It's not that strong of imagery. It's it's

Teardrop makeup and a smile like but what makes it as the person wearing it. Like the iconography of the crow, there's a weight to it that when you see a crow on Halloween, you think of Brandon Lee. You don't think of just a crow. So big shoes to fill. But I do think changing the iconography is maybe the only way to escape that weight because it didn't work for the crow two or three. It didn't like I've never even seen them and I don't need to.

This at least has me interested enough that they're trying something different with the homage to the essence of the crow. It's not trying to be the crow. It's trying to be, hey, he's musician, hey, this is what we're speaking to. Hey, these are modern aesthetic. So I'm excited to try it, but I definitely don't love the look from just the look. I think it's a great point. Winston? I mean, one, I'll just be honest that this isn't necessarily something.

I haven't seen the crow in that situation. Because when I was a kid, I just wasn't interested. And it's not something I have had on my radar to go back. I for people talk about it. And the only thing I became interested in because I'm a massive Bruce Lee fan is knowing, obviously, the tragedy behind Brandon. So that sucks. I say all that to say, I'm in a, I'm in a, I'm in a, phase now where like if a movie is genuinely good and everybody said that the crow is good,

I don't need a remake for me. Like that's, I'm kind of at that spot now where I'm over it. I would love to see either new exciting IP or new stories from, from IP. So if we're going to tell the exact same story from the crow, then I'm good. Like I, for me, like the last couple screen movies I enjoyed because you kept the IP and you sort of were tied to the story. but the whole idea of the requal. So it is sort of a reboot, but it's a sequel,

so you're moving on instead of going back. You know when I would have gotten excited? If it was Bill Scarsgard and Chad Seleski was doing this movie. Oh, yeah, that'd be great. You know, because... That tone is closer. That's the point is that you start to go, well, now I know what they're going for.

Or the director of like the raid. Or if they're going for that kind of crow, like, oh, wait a minute. You're going to go, you're going to go, John Wick is the crow, like that type of thing where you're going to really pull up the action because there's some crazy action in the row but if you're going to do that to where it's like no this movie is just a brutal martial arts you know film like that then I'm like okay that's I'm willing to see like a modern

day take on that but it's like I'm with you like if it's Rupert Sanders doesn't make me think it's going to move the needle at all it feels like it'll be some sort of derivative so I don't do that if you're going to if you're going to fully go for something different then I'll also buy into that but that's not what this necessarily sounds like it sounds like you've changed some of the visuals but but you're kind of going the same route. So I don't know. James O'Barr talked about doing the sequel years ago,

the comic creator, and he wanted to do The Crow, but have Shelly or another woman come back and basically have the crow be in a bridal dress and the whole time she's taking out the mob because the mob ruined her wedding. So like Punisher meets the Crow, but then Kill Bill Kim.

And there was a character called The Bride. And I was like, no, what we could have had! So there was supposed to be a crow with The Bride and then Tarantino. So that, I'd love to see that. But that's at least different in the same tone, but different. This feels, you know. Well, this is what gets me, like, I don't know about this guy. Oh, I didn't know any of that.

Yeah, here's what Rupert Sanders has directed, okay? So if you go all the way, he's got a lot of music videos that he did, and then Snow White and the Huntsman, where he had that famous kind of, you know, scandal with Kristen Stewart. Huh? I didn't know about that. Yeah, he had an affair with her. And then that's why she was cheating on Pines?

Oh, I didn't know who was that. Yeah. And then, and he was married, so all that stuff. So that didn't help him out. And then he did Ghost in the Shell. That wasn't good. And now he hasn't had, he hasn't had, he hasn't had, he's had no good movies.

He said no, there's, he doesn't have a good movie. I heard Foundation is a pretty decent, it's an Apple TV show. I heard it's a pretty decent show, but I don't, I haven't seen it either. But like, yeah, movies, though. He hasn't had any good movies, at least in my opinion.

And the crow's so iconic. It's interesting they'd give someone that hasn't had a home run, much less a, you know. I think that they've been trying to get this IP off the ground just for years. I remember being on Schmo's and like when we started our podcast. And they were like, how long is this remake thing going to be talked about? And that was like 2013. It's been, it was like the ongoing joke of like it was just never going to happen. Yeah.

Yeah. And 30 years. I mean, it's since the first one. Is that oh my god don't say that Wow that's great One of the best soundtracks all the time but it's 30 years old and the cure is in the in that soundtrack So when he said that it's like oh it's kind of like a cure song it's like I don't know You do you realize the cure was I think he's saying like the atmosphere is the soundtrack like that because I consider like that movie like the soundtrack

Where like the soundtrack feels like the movie sure you know I mean like violence Yeah Man that whole soundtrack's a great song in there too man that whole soundtrack's grand revel did the score I mean it's yeah it is so much to watch Dude if you like I would that's a good one to do if you have if you have any interest in like 90s goth culture at all or get that's why i wasn't then i'd move it up but if like you know i don't know if it'll be your thing but i i watch it every october 30 i mean i mean i'm going to in the sense of like what we do with the show and everything and i'm sure we're going to be talking about the crow when it comes out in june so like i'll watch in june so i'll watch it i just

it hasn't been anything i've been interested in other than knowing the lore of what happened with brandon that's yeah that's fair so you guys are you excited about it do you think that rupert Sanders is the right choice. Am I wrong about that? Do I think, hey man, give the guy a shot. Maybe this is going to be the one that he does that you like. It's possible. Go ahead. Put your comments in there. What do you think about the look of Scars Guard as the crow? All right, moving on. This is the one that I really wanted to talk about today, and that is that Marvel Studios is going to focus on the street-level TV shows. Multiverse is going to stick around after Secret Wars coming from comic book movie, Josh Wilding. This is according to a new rumor that

Marvel Studios has decided to focus on the street-level superhero TV shows moving forward. However, if you're not a fan of the multiverse, then you're going to want to turn away now. Marvel Studios has gone back to the drawing board with the MCU after a surprisingly hit-and-miss multiverse saga, explaining why we're only getting one movie and two live-action TV shows in 2024. Only, I think that's perfect. That's perfect. The Infinity Saga's conclusion coincided with the launch of Disney Plus, and Marvel Studios was tasked with developing an entire slate of projects to attract subscribers to the streaming platform. Kevin Feige was spread too thin,

and the connectivity between movies and TV shows suffered as a result. Ultimately, it was a quantity over quality issue. Moving forward, Daniel Richmond claims Marvel Studios will shift its small screen offerings to almost exclusively street-level stories like Echo and Daredevil Born Again. There will be some exceptions, including the planned Wiccan and Vision Quest TV shows, which are already in development. We're sure Marvel Studios is aware that Netflix's TV and TV. MA offerings had a devoted audience largely because they offered an alternative to the PG-13 MCU. While they were far from perfect, using a similar template on Disney Plus by moving forward with street-level shows would not be a bad thing. In other news, the Scooper alleges that even when the Multiverse saga concludes with Secret Wars, the multiverse will live on.

Richmond didn't share too many additional details, but stated that Sony is the reason. We'd guessed it has something to do with the Spider-Verse, future crossovers with the live-action. Spider-Man and its own slate of Marvel movies. There have been some disappointments. We would have liked some of our most recent releases to perform better, Bob Eiger, previously said, of MCU's failings. It's reflective, not as a problem from a personal perspective, but I think in our zeal to basically grow our content significantly to serve mostly our streaming offerings, we

ended up taxing our people way beyond, in terms of their time and their focus, way beyond where they had been. Marvel is a great example of that. They had not been in the TV business at any level. a significant level. Not only did they increase their movie output, but they ended up making a number of television series, and frankly,

it diluted focus and attention. That is, I think, more of the cause than anything. Only time will tell what will become of the MCU in the years ahead, but it feels like it's starting to head back in the right direction. I don't know about that.

I mean, maybe, maybe game plan. I think you're saying, like with the street level, like, yeah. Game plan, the fact that they're, I think what I'll agree with there is that they're not going, everything's fine. Keep going. They'll like it eventually. It's pretty transparent for a CEO.

Yeah, I like a good statement. I've been thinking about it, and I think there's another little underlying thing that's going on that's maybe not talked about quite as much. But it's the fact that we have kind of hit that point where streaming, I wouldn't call it a failure, but it's making hard left turns now to try and make up for the, they're past the lost leader type mentality, and they're about making money. What did you think they ever thought would work? I've been thinking about that a lot.

I think I think that they did exactly what we've all been talking about. Tech money got too involved into the studios. And so just like you were growing Uber and lifting, you were a loss leader. So they didn't mind because look at all the subscribers we have as a means to do whatever. Right. They've now flipped it and they're so focused on the ads. Like a lot of the stuff that's happening with the streamers, like what Disney and Netflix, I think both posted like a million losses and subscribers.

No, no, no. Netflix got an increase. Okay. Disney lost a million, but they're actually making more. because of the ads. Right. Specifically, they're all doing this now from that standpoint. It's easier now, okay, fine.

Either pay me more money so you don't have the ad crap or whatever, or I'll get you on this lower tier stuff, but now I got ad dollars coming in, so I don't care. So I think when you throw in the fact that now people genuinely are starting to make decisions, I'm not gonna have, like they already didn't. They're really not gonna have the five, six, seven, eight streamers. Right. You can't put out all these shows that are trash. Pick the two that you think are really gonna work.

Really find that specific audience that you're really going to work. Really find that specific audience. that'll be on board for it. And that's where it's like, don't worry about HBO. Don't worry about Paramount. Come look at me. And I think that that's what Iger is trying to do

is to have that re, the refocus is coming from two different angles. So I think the major part of that of what he was also saying is that, look, this was the golden goose, Marvel. And the fact that this, it was diluted.

And you're getting these a subpart. And you look at what the audience is saying. It's like, even people who like love it are gone, eh. You know, and it wasn't. And it wasn't that.

Even the movies that when you go back, I'll never figure we were sitting back and watching Thor, Love and Thunder. And I said to you, I think I like Dark World better than this. And you're like, you're like, you're crazy. And I'm like, I'm telling you, man, this is, it just feels like a different Marvel. Because you go back and watch Thor Love and, uh, or, um, Dark World. It's not great. But it's at least it feels like that marvel, those Marvel phases. It still feels like this is this new direction that they took.

But there are the street level side of it, though, dude. I'm telling you the street level side of it, though, dude. I'm telling you. side of it, I think, is a very good plan because it's the same reason. I'm hoping, and I bring it up again, I'm hoping that Dune, what Dune will do, because a lot of times studios go, what's working now? And then they're working now, and then they try to shift. I hope so. And I hope that this is one of those times. Yeah, you know what? Shift into the more serious, more like adult things. Star Wars, I hope will do it. They won't, but I hope that they will. But Marvel might, and especially with

this plan and then keeping the MCU after Secret Wars, I mean, who's surprised by that? Or the multiverse? The multiverse. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, they did not multiverse. No, they said they said multiverse. They said multiverse surviving after Segar Wars. They said, they said specifically because of Sony.

I didn't read that right. I think that's dumb. See, your mind. Yeah, I hate that. Who's surprised by that? I am. I hate that. I don't just, I don't, I don't, but rain it in.

I thought they meant MCU is going to stuff. No, no, no. I love that you, like, you subconsciously read the way you wanted to. Yes, that's fun. You were like, this is for me. I'm like, yeah, okay, great. Yeah, of course, yeah. Of course I'm going to keep on with the, with the MCU.

I don't know. The multiverse. I hate that. That's specifically why they brought up Sony because, because. That makes more sense. You Walmart censored yourself. Again, I hate it. That's which is fine.

I don't understand. What's happening? I don't know. I mean, come on. Just literally the same thing we talked about. You just rained it in. It's gotten to, it's gotten too loosey-goosey. So in the same way that you looked at Loki and it's like we got to protect

the sacred timeline and all that, I think that's what you're doing. You're just going to be like, okay, we've done this. Come back like this. And I think if you do that properly, there's nothing wrong with that because, again, you don't necessarily want all of the Spider-Vverse stuff right now. I'm not talking about the animated. I'm talking about the Madam Webb's and the morbiuses of it all.

As much of a stink that that has on it, you don't necessarily want it fully in, but you do want to try and bring some things. You have the stakes, so it's going to be interesting as how they're going to keep the, like, oh, they're gone, but not forever. Like, and still feel impactful. Especially if it makes a billion dollars. And especially, I mean, it will. And then Spider-Man, you know, the rumors where Miles is coming in and Spider-Man

4, do you have that be multiversal? Yeah, I guess. I'm just, I mean, and this is so funny to hear me say, because I'm like, especially with all the stuff that we cover on, like, the Tuesday show and, like, the other dimensions and freaking multiverse possibilities. Like, I've been obsessed with the multiverse. You just don't like how it's being handled in this narrative. When I say multi, I'm obsessed with the multiverse, not inside of what Marvel's been doing,

but in actual scientists' hypothesis. Yeah, like our reality. Yeah. Not a film reality. Like the idea of it, I've always been. And then the fact that when you say multiverse now, people just automatically connected. Oh, like Marvel does? Like, no.

No. And because Marvel has not done it well. Marvel has not done it well. They've made it so complicated. And I don't, yeah, I don't want them to keep doing this. Which is wild to me because between DC and Marvel in the books, I've always felt that I appreciated the Marvel multiverse a little bit more than I did like the DC multiverse. Earth 2 and stuff.

They both have qualities that I like about both of them. but I personally just like I liked the Secret Wars events and stuff like that where I don't always love the crisis events. Ultimate universe is some of the best comics out there. Yeah, but the crisis events for me were okay. Some are better than others, but they're both good, right? I'm surprised that for a studio that did a very good job of, we're really sticking in the comics,

but we're putting our own spin on it, it really felt like they went full, we're going to put our own spin on it without really paying attention. Look at the quote? Like they literally like expressing no, we spread ourselves too thin because we did too much. Like there wasn't oversight to the same level. There wasn't like attention to detail. And I, and that's why I asked you a few minutes ago about that what did you think streaming was meant to do.

I never saw streaming as sustainable. And I feel like 10 years ago. Well, that's what's interesting is like 10 years ago. Everybody was like, oh my God. Like everything's going to be online and everything's going to be like, yeah, but movies can't survive that. And shows can't survive infinite growth. And networks can't survive infinite expectation of subscribers. So it was inevitable cable was going to come back.

And so it's now that we're back to cable because the system didn't work, it's weird that people are surprised. Because it was the only inevitable conclusion. You can't have a family of five sharing a password or multiple families of five sharing a password and making $200 million content or having people not go to the theater because you can't make those movies. It is a business. Well, you know, there was actually a really interesting article. And it was specifically talking about how for us, for the generation, prior to Z and Alpha, as far as that went, we had communal, like, key events and experiences. So, like, it was the radio.

We all had to be on the radio, listen to what was played on the radio. It was, you only have these networks, throw some cable in there, too, but it's like you got NBC, ABC, whatever. So we're all watching, you know, fresh prints, and we're all watching the wire, and we're all watching that same stuff. But now there is so much content. most of us are kind of in our own little clicks. You're not, we're not all coming together to talk about a game of, like those are the rare moments. It's like a game of throne.

Shogun's coming around. Dude, one of, one of the first people I met out of college at IOS is one of the voiceover actor. I am so proud of him and I am so excited. Older dude, he finally hit it. I'm so excited. All right, so let your voices be known. Throw it out there.

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Because I didn't mind Black Widow. That was okay. That was okay, right? But Ray Winston is incredible. One of the really great actor, whether it's Departed or, various, various movies. So this is what he said.

He was talking about Black Widow. He was on some podcast, I think, or a radio maybe. Veteran British actor Ray Winstone, you know him from Sexy Beasts or the part. It doesn't have the fondest memories of his time and the MCU. Winston starred as the villain Drakeoff. And the Scarlett Johansson led spin-off film Black Widow, which was shot before the pandemic, released in early 2021. And it also debuted on Disney Plus at the same time at a premium day-and-date release.

Winston is very straightforward and practical about his experiences. A few days ago, saying how shooting a movie is about having fun for six weeks. And if the film turns out great, it's a plus. Now speaking with Radio Times Magazine, the actor said that his issue with the film tied to the reshoots and the executives who got involved. He says, it was fine until you have to do the reshoots. Then you find out that a few producers have come down and your performance is too much. It's too strong. That's the way Marvel works.

It can be a soul-destroying process because you feel like you're doing great work. I actually said you ought to recast it because that was it for me. And then you end up doing it again because you're contracted to. Otherwise, you end up in court and it's like being kicked in the balls. The comment comes as Winston has three projects on the way. The series adaptations of Guy Ritchie's The Gentleman, the Millie Bobby Brown, led film Damsel and the recovery drama A Bit of Light. I do find this refreshing, though, I'll tell you that.

I do find it refreshing. So I'm just being candid. Yes. Yeah. Because a lot of times you get people when they ask a question and that person will say, yeah, it was fine. And meanwhile, I've talked,

I've been on the air with various actors. And they'll tell you off air and off the record, they're going to go, but they got to play nice. And again, I understand why you've got to play nice. I'm not, but it is nice to see someone,

especially this guy, you don't care. And he's going to be like, yeah, I had fun until I had to do reshoots, and then they came in and said it was too, it sucked. I wanted to leave,

but I couldn't because I would have gotten sued. Amazing. I loved it, but this isn't really a shot at Marvel as much as it's like, That's what happens in the studio. It's a reshoot shot. I mean, it's like, you can't, I don't know,

whittling down movies always hurts them. And I liked Black Widow more than a lot of phase four. I like Black Widow more than a lot of people, but I do think it's toned down at points, and that kind of, those points sound like exactly what he went through. Like, I thought they de-windstone Ray Winstone. You know what I mean? Like, it's a weird, because he's got set.

I forgot he was even in it. That's, yeah. I forgot he was even in it until I was like, oh, he was the, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And like, it could have been anybody. And he's fantastic. It could have been any Ray Winstone type instead of Ray Winston. And it felt like they made him his own type instead of letting him be him.

If you would have asked me a quiz like, was, has Ray Winston been in the MCU yet? I would have been like, no. I totally wouldn't remember that at all. I really wouldn't be. And that is absolutely not a testament to his acting. And it's, this makes more sense. What do you think about this time? I think it's exactly what you said.

I think when you're no longer attempting to secure the bag, you can say whatever you want. And I think it's a one-off. He's a villain that died in the spoiler alert. But like, you know, the multiverse, man. Which is fine, but it sounds like he don't want to come back. Definitely bringing back Ray Wins. I'm sure you did it. No, no red room?

It's the purple room. No thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he doesn't, I don't, I don't blame him. I think, I think literally once you're done, I appreciate people being honest and candid, but you have to have nothing to lose. And I think that's part of what has been very interesting. specifically about

2024 because like outside of just movies but in general what's stuff going on I mean you had the Cat Williams interview at Monique you had Stephen A. Smith you have all these people that are found like I don't care anymore and they're just letting it out but all of generation Z those incredible incredible crazy bastards they're just they don't they don't care

Gen Z like as a whole they're just like I'm not going to do this job this is awful like I love this whole screw it like my life's worth living mentality I feel like they see the end and they're like I'm not going to be doing this until the like the world inevitably I think that's inspiring so many older generations to go like, I'm out. I love it. I think Gen Z is like a bunch.

It feels more punk than anything millennials did. You know. I just got a lot of respect. We have friends. Do we? Yeah. You don't have friends? I mean, like that I trust, no.

But like I have friends. That's sad. Yeah. I think we are becoming more and more of an ice. For us. Jesus Christ. I'm right here. Does he?

No, you don't understand when I could walk. You drove me here every day. No, I'm sorry. You make editing so hard for me. I'm trying to think, am I going to put fart noises in there? Am I going to put beeps? Am I going to put it?

That's not fair. I do have friends, and I think our generation has friends, but I think that they are more duplicitous than generations prior. And I think that, like, the Apple Vision pros of it all are going to make it harder and harder for us to maintain those. I think we're isolating. I want to address that, but what you should do is you should take Samuel Jackson's saying,

but put that over me, it's weird. How would that help? It's just because it would be funny. Sure, but that doesn't help my problem. No, what I did to Mike yesterday,

and that's one of my favorites, Mike doesn't go back and watch his shows, but, or Wednesday, when he was on and he did something, and I just had some guy go, wee! I love it.

But I, but I, all I'm saying is that what they're, they had the whole article that came out. We talked about this first. second about how Gen Z wants to see more movies about friends than they do about sex. Yeah, no, I think that's dangerous. I think that's a scary prospect.

But that's tied into the fact that because they were, a lot of them were born as like tablet kids and all that, everything is social media. They don't actually know how to. And also pandemic kids too. That too. And again, this Applevision Pro, I think we're going to look back on as like a big, that that's the next social media. Like social media was so bad for us.

It's turning in a Wally is what it's turning into. Dude, ready player one is now. Yeah. All right. Listen. That's our show. Thanks for joining us here today. I appreciate it.

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Christian Winston. Millennial. It was a gift. Oh, fair. I don't want it. I don't want it. I'll give it back to you. All right.

Winston. You're just a material girl in a material world. That's right. So you can find me at the swaggy blur on the platforms. On the last day of black history month. It's all yours. Anyway, you can find me at the swaggy blur and all the platforms over my YouTube channel. I've been doing my road to the Oscars.

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