The Kristian Harloff Show - Tom Holland and Marvel CLASH with Sony over Spiderman 4?!

Episode Date: October 18, 2024

In this episode, we break down the latest developments in the reported clash between Tom Holland, Marvel Studios, and Sony over the direction of Spider-Man 4. While Holland and Marvel seem to be on the same page, it looks like Sony may have a different vision. In a recent interview, it appears Tom Holland isn't fully on board with what Sony wants to do for the next Spider-Man film. In other Spidey news, Holland has been known for accidentally leaking MCU secrets, but it turns out he knew about Robert Downey Jr.'s return as Doctor Doom for a long time—having been told by RDJ himself! Could this hint at future scenes with Iron Man and Spider-Man together again? Also, Marvel Phase 5 continues with exciting projects, while the Penguin series is being called the best show on TV right now, and a Superman cut is done! All this and more on The Kristian Harloff Show with Kristian and Winston. #marvel #mcu #spiderman #spiderman4 #rdj #doctordoom #dcu #superman #penguin #thebatman OUR SPONSORS: PERFECT JEAN:  Podcast Description,  F*%k your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code BIGTHING at http://www.theperfectjean.nyc/BIGTHING15 #theperfectjeanpod If you are looking to take your game to the next level, visit http://www.TRYJOYMODE.COM and use code BIGHTHING at checkout for 20 percent off. That's T-R-Y-J-O-Y-M-O-D-E.com and use code BIGTHING  for 20 percent off your first order. MANDO: Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @shop.mando and get $5 off off your Starter Pack (that's over 40% off) with promo code BIGTHING at http://www.shopmando.com! #mandopod 

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and it looks like Tom Holland wants a grounded Spider-Man. The question is, will they budge? And it looks like one of the things that happened, it's a pushback. It looks like the story itself is done, right? It looks like the story itself, there's a script. but I think there's a few more things that Sony is still pushing on that Holland and the MSDU doesn't want. At least that's what it seems like.

And speaking of Tom Holland, speaking of Spider-Man, looks like that he knew, Tom Holland knew, about Downey returning before a lot of us did, before many people did. And that was interesting and considering he was one of the biggest people to leak stuff. So he talked about how that was tough. And I think that it was Downey himself who might have told him. And what does that mean in the futures? I mean because, like, hey, you should stick around playing this character

because we'll get to do some more stuff together. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about Penguin. We'll talk about Agatha. There's more stuff out there. But it's me and Winston today. Corey's running around New York City doing something. And we'll discuss all these stories and more.

Me and Winston. Let's get going. Welcome back to the show. Christian Harlow's Show, Caps and Cowell, myself, Winston A. Marshall. you're back like the password to get into the room today yeah well for people who don't know um i we have to do this password to get into the show and i said um the cowboys got their ass beat last week because i mean i'm not i'm not there's no bragging from what my team's doing they're just as

bad i know you're just you guys terrible but i but but at least you knew you were terrible oh yeah you know right right right right went into the year right you didn't go and go at this is the year that Daniel Jones finally turns the corner. Right. You thought something good was going to happen and nothing good came about all of it. I knew I knew that we were getting served duty on a plate. You thought you were getting fillet mignon. Well, when you consider what they were able to pull off last year, there were issues. Yeah. But like they were they, you know, they won the division, you know, DACNCD got paid. They both, we had nine all pros. Like you thought, you thought, hey, they'll

they'll work to improve, but the minute they didn't make no off season free agency pickups, I was like, we're trash, we're going to be bad. And then it just got proven over and over again. So you don't want to know why I know you feel. I feel your pain where you feel like something really good is going to happen, and then nothing comes to it except misery. That was how I felt watching the Yankees last night. Did you watch?

Did you pay attention in that game? I just heard about it because I'm more of a Rangers fan of the Dodgers and the second favorite team. So I was sitting here like, my buddy and I were talking, we're like, look, who doesn't want the history of the Dodgers? The Guardians are a much better matchup for us. And so to hear what happened, you all, I was like, thank Black Jesus. Well, only two to one. It's only two to one.

I mean, they said it was just a fact that it was almost three. Yeah, because the Dodgers are whooping up on the Mets right now. But it's like, but when. New York must be real upset. After last night. Yeah, because, dude, I was watching that game last night. And Sam Levine, he knows he's on. my shit list right now because like he but he's he he was pulling for the yankees too but he's like he's

like they got it it's over it's done and then i'm why he actually i didn't tell him this because i didn't make him feel even worse um the yankees were up and it looked like they were going to close it out two and it was the last inning and i'm like you know i'm going to do i'm going to pause it right now i'm going to walk the dog and i saw it was and they had two outs and i was like oh we're in good shape i'm going to pause it and i'm walking the dog and i see sam i'm like oh he's writing me to let me know that it's over it's like i'm like i'm I'm not going to look at it until I watched the game. And then I was like, you know, I'll just, I'll look at it.

And he's like, I'm sorry, I jinxed you. And now it's tired. And I'm like, you mother F. And so, and then I had to watch it. And I just had to watch the punishment. And then watching that. I was sitting there with my daughter, my 12 year old. And she's like, yeah, she's almost 13.

And she goes, and she goes, we're watching it. And she says, you know, what happens here? I go, well, you're either going to see two versions of me right now. Either the, whof, let's get into the 11th inning here. Let's move. or are you going to see me go, of course, that's the way it went. And the guy hits the home run. I'm like, of course, that's the way it went.

It was a disaster. You got to look. And then we can go on to what we're actually here for. I mean, you can take it again from a Rangers fan. I'm glad we got our World Series last year. But I don't know if you remember the epic collapse that we had. We're two outs. You're up like six two in the bottom of the inning to win the World Series.

And the Cardinals have a full comeback, push it to extra innings. And then that was game like five. We blew the next two games to, lose the world series to them. I know. Anything can happen. No. Never counted out.

No, it's the same time my mom was talking about. This is when the same, roughly 20 years ago, when that whole, that epic collapse happened with the Yankees and the Red Sox. Like, Yankees were up three nothing.

And they lost that series. So there's nothing, nothing is guaranteed. Anyway, we have a lot to talk about, I was going back and forth because Roka always starts out strong on Monday with the questions. Always, he's always the one that pushes and everybody has to catch Roka.

And then Roxy, and Roxy and Brett had a great, great showing on Tuesday. I had a better showing. I had a pretty good showing on Wednesday. They didn't beat anybody, but it's the fact that it was better than eight. And it went up, okay, we'll see what Mike can do. Because Steph Bail at the last minute, she had to do something. So, my God, Mike by himself.

Mike pulled, what, 112 or something. Yes, right? 112. So it's going to be, and only, there's only one person I know that had to overcome a thing and then wound up getting over 100 to win it and set the record. And that was you. So you're by yourself again. And you got a chance because there's no coy.

So we'll see what right now. You have four. So we have a long road. I'll put this challenge out there, the capes and cows fans, man. There is something kind of funny that if we do this again without coy here, wait, then we just,

that would have been Koi's last show then. If you do it again, that was Koi's last show. But you'd realize you just stopped a bunch of questions from coming in for people that don't want to see Coy just kicked off the show. Yeah. So why would you say that? You literally just you just hamstrung the hell out of me. What the hell is this?

Oh, yeah. I'm not going to really kick him off the show. But, you know, there's a lot of things that were going on, dude, in the news I was looking at. And this one thing, we've been talking about this, you know, the Spider-Man story and all that about what it should be. be, should it be grounded, should it lead to Daredevil and Punisher? And then you got all the reports that that's what Fagie wants and, and Rothman and Sony basically want the opposite. They want to go big grand, multiverse, set up the Andrew Garfield stuff and just basically no creative, just let's try to, nervous, nervous, nervous. Well, Tom Holland's been talking about it. He's

talking about the script in general and he gave this interview and I thought this is pretty interesting. Check this out. When I signed my contract, Spider-Man 1, I signed a six-picture deal. I was 18 years old. I was more excited than I'd ever been about anything ever. And for the last 10 years, I have been at the beck and call of Marvel and Sony. And proudly so, it's been the best experience of my life. I'm now at a juncture where I can say no. And now that I've been afforded that power, I, I am struggling to figure out what is the right thing to do. It's meant I've had to put my foot down in certain instances,

which I haven't been allowed to do in the past. And I think the learning curve that I'm on right now is dealing with that new sense of power, making sure that I don't abuse it, but making sure that I do the best thing for me, rather than for the studio. And really the best thing for the character. I don't want to make another movie for the sake of making it. The studio wants you to make another Spider-Man.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they do. And I want to make another one. I want to make many more, but I want to do it for the right reasons. And now, like I said to you earlier, sometimes I missed the day when getting the job was the win, navigating and figuring out what having that kind of power means and that responsibility. Yeah. And I'm figuring it, out and I'm speaking to people and asking questions and you know I've been speaking to downy a lot but it is something that keeps me up at night and I'm constantly thinking of like is this the right thing to do am I going to do justice to the character am i going to do justice to the fans I definitely don't

want to just make a movie for the sake of it because that's not what spider man represents okay so that is you know he's talking about being part of the spider man you haven't for so long that when he signed up to when he was younger he was uh it was something he just you know he was 18 years old sign me up and then as he gets more power and more responsibility to it um that he realizes he can't just make the movies because the studio wants to make the movies he's got a he wants to make more the guy said you want to make more he's like yeah i want to make a bunch of these but i don't want to just do it to do it i want it to be good and it looks like you know there's more and he and he mentioned and we'll get into a little more about the downy side of it and how down he kind of has been talking to

him also but this is something to me that is okay yeah push back man push back you have the up he's the guy that can make sony go uh he this guy doesn't want to do this he doesn't if we we re-signed him up and we have him and we can't if he doesn't he's got he's got more creative control now of certain things because he's at that point where you can do that you do movie two you can do hey paul giomati is going to be in this jami fox is going to be in this and you got to do whatever we tell you're going to do but this is this doesn't make any sense uh to do this way shut up and act that's not the case anymore so do you think this is something winston where he's going to be able to actually have some you know power over sony here um

yeah in the sense that you don't you can replace him if you want to but you know that he works and you would also then even though you own the rights to it you would piss off disney and to be honest with you the only reason sony has been successful with Spider-Man in recent memory with the exception of the Spider-Verse films has been because of your collaboration with Disney. Your live-action Spider-Man stuff has done nothing since I would argue the Amazing Spider-Man one. They did okay at the box office with two, but it was, most people did not like it. I enjoyed it, but a lot of people didn't. So you can run the risk can try and do this on your own. Disney's not going to necessarily want to do that, obviously.

They have a lot of big plans for Spider-Man, so they're pushing back to. I think Tom is kind of the last guardian here. He's for lack of a better comparison. He's He's Heimdol, you know, from, from Asgard. He's like kind of the guard at the gate being like, nah, I see everything. Ain't nothing getting in here unless I say so. I hope that's the case. I mean, because I do feel, though, they're still going to wind up doing a multiverse thing. I really do. And it's just the question is just like how does it, because there's also that that rumor the other day. And I guess we can dive into that a little bit as the Sinister Six rumor. Did you hear that? I did. Yeah. So there was like the conversations that there was still talks that they want to do that. And to me, the way that that would work,

if they're going to still do it based off the Drew Godder thing and Andrew Garfield was, let's give Andrew Garfield a little more spotlight in the next Spider-Man movie. And then build him up even more so in the Avengers movie. And then when we get a little bit, we can get three, four years into it. We get that movie out there and he'll be built back up to be Spider-Man and it's scratch our Sony backs. And, you know, Tom Holland can run around in the MCU for as long as he wants. That's what it seems like to me if they're going to do it that way. But I don't know how you feel about it. I mean, I have said this a million times that my idea to be able to bring Toby and Andrew back into the fold if you really want to use them again, which they did a great

job. I genuinely enjoyed what the work they did and the chemistry between the three of them, but as we've all said, we need Spider-Man to just be Spider-Man. You want to do that. Literally do kind of like, oh my God, what was the Robert Rodriguez, Tarantino thing, the grind house. Oh, the, oh, shoot, yeah, I know what you're talking about. The, um, like the double feature. Brian House, right? Yeah, Brian House, yeah. The double feature where they were both about like 90 minutes pushing two hours, something like that into one giant kind of watch-along thing or whatever. do kind of like a 90-minute pushing two-hour film with Toby, a 90-minute pushing two-hour film with Garfield and like,

what's been going on with them? Because we alluded to it. We talked about it in No Way Home. So then that way you can catch up. So if you want to see Toby being domesticated with MJ and what that kind of looks like as an older Spider-Man, we can have an adventure with him. You do one with Andrew and what has he been doing with, you know,

his grief and stuff like that. So we got to see the Spider-Man multiverse type situation. and then it cuts to, you know, here is Tom, and that will be then the next movie, and we get, you know, we get to just have him. So you got your multiverse, but we got to watch them in individual areas. We're not pushing this idea of like,

oh, but now more portals opened up, and here's the Sinister 6 that we didn't earn, and here's no. That's what Sony's going to do. That's what Sony absolutely will do. You know, it's that everything you just said is what Sony will. The first thing I said, because if they did, I don't hate that.

that. No, no, at all the end. The subs that they're going to do is they're just going to start, that's what they do. They throw things because I mentioned the other day, there are two, there are people that you look at a James Gunn, who's running DC, who's both a business-minded executive and a creative executive, obviously. Then you look at Kevin Feige, who's a creative executive plus a business savvy. And that's why those things, no, look, there's been misses along the way for sure, but there's, and we don't know yet from Gunn, but there's still, there's, that's, That's who you want, that type of person. The Rothmans and the Kennedys of the world are the problem with franchises like this.

They're in old school mentality. They can use that format of what they do to make the one-hit movies, the one-off movies, or every other movie. Oh, that one worked. That one didn't. That one worked the way that a lot of other studios normally do. But when you're working with the big overall universes, you can't do that. You need someone that can actually see it and not just try to crunch the numbers.

You look at someone, again, who I like, but I don't think he's. He's the right guy to be running the Transformers thing is Lorenzo Di Bonaventura. He's another one. He's the old school mentality filmmaking or executives in that business sense. And it's old and it doesn't work and it clearly doesn't work. And the stupid people that keep on letting these people do this and then, oh, how did that happen again? And it's like, yeah. Because like the way that I essentially envision if you want to really tackle these other two Spider-Men,

treated the way that the show what if did, but just as, again, like slightly smaller than feature length, but technically feature length films for each one of them. And again, if you're like, what, No Way Home was essentially a three-hour film. If you're giving them both that time to do that, it's about the same amount of money to do the whole thing. You again get to bring them back in.

And now they actually become relevant. The way that their story was in No Way Home, they were perfect for that story, but that doesn't just automatically mean, yep, just throw them right back in there because you're also now doing a gimmick. And if you do a gimmick, you're going to, at a certain point, people are going to get bored. You need them to actually be engaged in something like that. That's why, for example, if we're talking on a TV show sense, like Wanda Vision ultimately worked, is because at first it was like, oh, they're doing this TV gimmick, but like, wait, no, there's actually a mystery behind this.

What's actually going on psychologically? It's clever. And then the story unfolded. So if you're going to do that, great. but if you're just going to kind of be like, hey, three Spider-Men. Right. It's just to do it. Everybody liked that.

So let's do that again. Everybody like that. That's you come on. And they tell Marvel, come on, make that work again. And it's like, well, we want to, we have a different version of this character. And good on Tom Holland if he pushes it back. But sticking with the Tom Holland side of it, he also revealed the thing about Downey. And this is the story over here on comic book movie.

So, you know, he's been notoriously pretty bad about keeping secrets, but he knew this one and didn't say anything. Tom Holland has elaborated on his dynamic with Marvel Studios. He talked about that, that one we just listened to. And then the same thing. And then he goes into a little bit more. Holland went on to talk about Robert Danny Jr. And he's been instrumental in helping him to figure out Spider-Man's future. The actor also confirmed he's known about his Avengers end-game co-stars return as Dr. Doom for quite some time.

He said the studio wants to make another Spider-Man. I don't know that one that's the quote we just saw he said I've been speaking to Robert daddy junior especially about him making his return which is super exciting that was a tough secret to sit on because I have a reputation for ruining things and I strategically have done no press rumor has it that the dynamic between Peter Parker and Victor von doom will be a major part of doomsday something we'd imagine downy pushed for giving his longstanding friendship with Holland the actor was instrumental in his casting following their screen test during production on Captain America Civil War

ultimately Holland just wants to do right by Spider-Man and he says let's say it's the same thing I'm not complaining it's a wonderful place to be but if something keeps me up at night I'm constantly thinking it's just the right thing to do am I going to do justice to the character am I going to do justice to the fans

I definitely don't want to just make a movie for the sake of doing it because that's not what Spider-Man represents he says it's going really well though so he's obviously both him and Downey have a tremendous amount of power right now they have a tremendous amount of what is going to happen what can happen

inside of it, right? So this, to me, does make a lot of sense. And it also would make sense if he's going, if they're going to have him look like Robert Downey Jr. When he takes the mask off, Peter Parker's going to be like, whoa, dude. Who, what, who's that? Like, Tony? And that will then say, no, that's not who they got.

He just looks like him. Not him. There's nothing to do. It's not an evil Tony Stark. It's just his victim, undoing. He looks like Tony Stark. Okay. We can get over that.

We can get over it if they do it the right way. And look, Downey is a good enough actor that he cannot be the Robert Downey Jr. sneakers guy and sunglasses and what we ultimately brought him to Tony Stark and it worked magically. You can't do that. It's got to be a different character. And he's a great actor. But this is even more so. Have we seen him play a villain?

Yeah, he's played a villain before, a few different times. But he's, in U.S. Marshals, he was a villain. He was a villain. He was a villain. He was definitely, he was definitely doucheous. in natural born killers. He's, yeah, he's been, he can definitely be douchy. I'm not saying that he doesn't have the acting chops.

He does. I was just trying to think in my mind because I'd never saw natural born killers and I haven't seen U.S. marshals in a very long time. Yeah. Because like the only thing that was clicking, but even then he wasn't really a douche. It was, I really liked the judge. But he's not, you know what I'm saying? He's not a villain there.

He's just, you know, Robert Downey Jr. Right. Right. He's got a change. He's got a change. He's got to be able to change it. And you look at Oppenheimer. He's a phenomenal, phenomenal actor.

And so one of the things that I think was beneficial to him was, remember, the studio, it's well documented. The studio didn't want him for Tony Stark because they didn't want the insurance. And they just didn't think he was going to be able to bounce back. And, you know, they were concerned. And it was Favreau pushed. But the thing that also helped him out tremendously is that there's so much of Robert Danny Jr.

in Tony Stark with from the addiction stuff to the you know the flamboyant just the way he is in general the sharp talking smart dude i mean that's Robert Danny Jr so he was easy to it was easy for him to bring that out so now not only does he have to change that up because the character's significantly different because he played that character in that universe everyone's going to be like okay because look when he took off the the helmet at Comic Con all i saw was Tony Stark playing dress up his doctor do but that doesn't mean that that's going to be the case it just look he's his sunglasses on i was like oh that's just downy playing he cannot be you cannot see tony stark at all and that was that was the i think the biggest miscalculation and i think it's because because tony stark

really is a variant of robert downy junior like he literally has embodied the character fully and even and he added some extra Tony stank on it, but like it is, it is him. When you see him in interviews and things like that, it really is just him turned up to 11. I think that was the mistake is that he essentially went out there as himself. And so that's what immediately did it.

I agree with you if he had not brought the glasses into it, things like that, and just pulled the mask off and had really displayed something different. Yeah. I think that would have. probably ease some of those people's fears that this is just going to be a carbon copy, but now instead of being on the good guy team, you're on the bad guy team. Yeah, now especially when you have to, when you're combining, and this is why it's even more

so, they're hammering down that point is now that if it is a lot of involvement with Tom Holland, like their relationship has to be obviously significantly different, and it will be, but it has to be significantly different and you have to even see from their interactions and how they talk. is it because he still has is drawn because he looks so much like him and sounds like him that he thinks that it is and he still has this kind of connection to him and meanwhile victor vund doom can use that and he would use that to manipulate this kid so there's there's a lot there that could absolutely work in their favor but it's you're you're got to pull off a magic trick here you really do but again I think that that's their point is that they are up to it so we will genuinely see what comes of that I am less, I'll be honest, I am much less worried about Robert Dunny Jr. is doom than I am about the state of Spider-Man. I really, really am because it doesn't feel, like, the difference is,

I know I don't love what Ramey did with Dr. Strange, and I don't love the idea of him doing like a Dr. Strange sequel personally. But at the time when those Spider-Man films came out, that was somebody that truly was in that world, was really taking it to heart and really crafting that story. With the execs behind it at Sony, I do not get that same feel.

If I felt like Feigey was truly fully in charge here, if I felt like a lorded Miller were taking the kind of intricate care that they have been taking with Spider-Verse, that'd be different, but they've given me plenty of proof that they don't give a shit. They're just trying to, not just meet their bottom line, but make as much money as that.

they can, which of course, but you're going to do that because you respect the IP and you make good art, not because you just throw everything you possibly can at the wall and I'm going to gush about it because I'm a fanboy. If you take my childhood and you take a crap on it, I'm not going to be happy with you. Yeah. And I don't know how it's going to play, but it looks like they're trying to, they're, they're, they want to and they're pushing back against Sony. So we'll see what ultimately happens.

So really, real quick, last thing, if Sony needed proof on what they need. need to be very careful of. I need them beyond what they've done themselves. Go look at Joker Folly Adieu. You were talking about another billion dollar film that everybody was super anticipated, but you just kind of let stuff just happen. And look what it did to tarnish what that was. Agreed, but there's a different circumstance there. They let one dude because this Warner Brothers is notorious for this. Where do they say, oh, okay, look, that guy made us a lot of money. What do you need now? You made a billion dollars? We didn't think you could do it last time. We didn't go ahead. do what you want to do you don't want to take notes that's okay they let one person dictate the whole damn thing

and they let Todd Phillips bully them basically so that's that that they can't with that with this that's not the situation that's more so like they're they're saying this is the movie we want we want you guys to make a comic movie but we want our spider man in there too and focus focus focus on them they still want to make a spider man movie they just you know but i get what you're saying but i have the reason i made that analogy is because it worked doing would have gotten more right right right right is doing right yeah well that was a yeah well that was a brother to do with todd phillips they were like todd philip you crush it dude whatever you will go again yeah and he said yeah okay i'll do that but everything that worked i'm not doing any of that

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15. I did. I thought you were talking to me because you were snickering. 15. 15. And I hope. And yesterday, you know, right now Winston, look, I'm not going to doubt you.

I'm just going to say you're climbing up a steep hill here. Right now you barely hit 10 thus far. You're at 9. So right now, at 9, to beat Kalinowski is going to be tough. But we'll see. What were you all talking about? about every i mean yes on yet no it wasn't like there wasn't like some huge story he just he he was going in going into the second hour he was only at 35 questions and then he just wound up and a lot of

people were doing some other it was nerds engaged who's in here right now he um he was gifting a lot of people memberships yesterday which was really cool too um okay on this part of the question i don't believe so i don't believe so um okay let's get into some more topics here because there are there are quite a few things that we're going to discuss and you know the first thing we can talk about is actually before even show a picture of it i i just finished um penguin episode four and really yeah just finished it and i'm going to watch five um when we get off the phone where we get up the phone oh do you have a screen or something yeah so i'm going to watch both of those and then i'm going to do my reaction to it because those come out on sunday because i missed penguin

and agatha last week saty and i did um you got to us see the beginning i posted it on my instagram but like sadie and in we posted our agatha episode i think it was five and six and she's watching and she's you know this show isn't very scary it's not it's not it's not creepy at all she's like and then we get to the part where there's like the zombie whatever or the possession and she freaks out and i go you can't go you can't cover your face it's that's a whole point and and i opened up the video with that and she like oh my god it's hilarious so that's that's That's up there for Agatha. And then I missed both the penguin.

But man, I just finished right before we start shooting, I just watched episode four. What an episode that was. I can't believe you were so behind on that. I did it on purpose. I did it on purpose. I missed it because Macy was, Macy is sick again, by the way,

but that's a whole other story. Okay. Yeah, she just picks up, she beat this fever. She beat this whole thing. She goes back to school. She picks up a new virus four days later. So it's the work.

It's the war. Do you watch Abbott Elementary? no I didn't get into it oh dude I love that show but they they just did an episode about ringworms oh yeah I just kind of reminds you of exactly that where their whole their whole thing is like oh my god if we're not careful the whole school I will be screwed they're like no it can't be that bad it's like they're kids yeah there's no way they're not going to like play rough on the playground and share each other's toys and all this so it just reminds me of what you're talking about she gets sick she comes home she's fine for like a day and then immediately gets sick

It's crazy. And so that's why because of that last week, I was so backed up on stuff. I didn't get a chance to see either one. I was like, you know, I could just watch Penguin do an immediate reaction for it, or I could just make a longer video next week and just react to both of them at the same time. And that's what I ultimately decided to do because that episode was so good. It was so good. Krista Miliani is, I don't want to spoil the episode for anybody,

but like, Krista Maliazzi is just so good in that. And what I said at the end of the episode and the review was that it just shows you, A, how much confidence they have in like, well, and how good the writing is, first of all, I guess. And then how much confidence they have in her because it's not, because she's, I would, if the, if the episode is 60 minutes long, the penguin's in there for maybe eight minutes, maybe, and you don't care. You don't care because, you know, they would have done that in episode one or two, people are going, what the hell is this? Who's this person? But that's why you wait. You wait. Without giving any spoilers for Agatha either, that was the same thing.

This most recent episode, you needed to kind of establish stuff that was going on. And then we had a full episode with the team. And that's like to understand what was going on. But that's correct storytelling. Let's establish the world we're in first. If you want to do a solo episode on somebody that is not the main titular character or just the main character in general. You just need to get in first and then you can come back to it. You don't want to start off with that. But I, I can't believe the amount of backlash that there

was on this on this episode on the yeah on episode four. Really? What was it? That was a masterclass of television. There was a lot of the I don't want to be rude about it, but there's a lot of like the insale net beard stuff where they were just like, oh, how are you going to have you just put this woman here and try to force it as well stupid. It's terrible. Why? Dependellon won't even in it. Where it was calling? Oh, really? I haven't seen.

I didn't see that. I only found out about that because of real rejects because of Greg. He was, he was really upset about it. Understandably so because he was just like, guys, this was an incredible episode. How many people,

but how many people saying that? Because I feel like sometimes like, you know, if you see two or three people, you think that that's the whole thing. The majority out of it, all I saw is praise for this episode. I mean,

as it should be. It was beautifully done from top to bottom like if you're talking thematics if you're talking about how it fully developed uh you know her character and and where sophia's going going forward i thought that it was so good and then let alone i don't know do you if you watch um the behind the scenes no i don't i usually don't i love watching them just because obviously from the just like the actual i should i should say that i do for like house of the dragon but i have him for this show so so they it's a similar kind of style that they do for the penguin and they were just talking about when we're developing Sophia throughout this thing,

they were talking about the yellow dress and kind of what that meant. They were talking about, you know, again, I won't get into too many spoilers. But as we're taking these steps into what she ultimately does and who she's about to become going forward through the rest of the show, they were talking about what that looks like for a person, especially for a woman, the idea of being put up the way that you see and how. house of the dragon and then being cut down by the people in your life, especially anybody that doesn't necessarily think a woman should be in that kind of power, but then also the idea of feeling betrayed. And then what actually makes you like fully snap and like what puts

you in these different. It's just that show needs all the Emmys. Yeah, it was great. Well, what it did very well. And I think I saw someone, I said it in my, in my review afterwards, and I saw someone say it in the chat. It makes you understand it changes your philosophy on who, Milliatty's character, Sophia. who she is and why and it's like it all right away makes you feel completely different about her in this episode than you did in episode one he's in episode one you don't really have anything to go on just the crazy eyes and you're like oh this is going to be a real a real maniac here when you really kind of peel the layers you understand who she is it's you know the other part of it too that's so

interesting is I'm sure we've all had that moment in life where you've you've met somebody it could be a family member, it could be a new friend, it could be somebody that you hate at work or whatever, and you feel one way about them. And then when you learn the stuff that they went through, all of a sudden it all clicks into place. And it might change your opinion of them, but the one thing is you now understand them.

And so you just kind of move around them a little differently. I think, like, for me, the one thing that pops into my head is that, like, I didn't have the best relationship with my dad when I was a kid. We're good now as a bit. adults, but I also learned what happened to him growing up as far as, you know, his relationship with his parents and things like that. And all of a sudden, I was like, oh, my God, that makes

perfect sense why X, Y, and Z. So I love watching that kind of stuff unfold in shows because then all of a sudden you get that, oh, moment that kind of clicks in. Yeah, and it just shows you, there's a lot in there. It's very, very layered, as I mentioned. And the other thing, so this one, I will spoil a little bit for for Agatha because there's something that happens in it that I think is something that we should talk about kind of moving forward. So if you haven't seen the most recent Agatha, I would say bail for a second because I'm going to discuss here. I got it. Give me one second. Oh, it's putting up a spoiler thing or something. We'll see. Sometimes sometimes I'll tell you for a comedian, Winston's timing. Oh, is that what that is? Yeah. So for anybody that's watching, if you want to know when we're done talking spoilers, I'll take the hat. Oh, I like that. Okay. Perfect. All right. So here is the, so there you go. Perfect. So he's got the hat on. Okay. So Agatha All Along. It seems we may not have seen the last of so-and-so in the MCU. This week's episode of Agatha All-Long featured the return of a character we really didn't expect to see. And again, after the events of Wanda Vision, it sounds like the MCU may not be quite finished with this put upon fellow just yet. Familiar by the saw teen who is now confirmed to be the son of the scarlet witch billy maximoff meet with a mysterious westview resident who turned out to be none other than ralph boner evan peters ralph was introduced in wanda vision as an unwitting ally of agatha posing as petero maximoff while under the witch's

spell in order to get close to wanda and try to find more information about the hex peter's made a fun cameo in agatha to provide billy with some answers but why marvel studios are bring him back in some capacity and in another project, as anyone's guest. We have heard there are big plans for Harkness in the show supporting players in the supernatural corner of the MCU, so perhaps Ralph factors in somehow. The new series focuses on Catherine Hans, Agla Harkness, you know, yeah, we look at the dives into it. So when he showed up in the episode, Winston, I, you know, I had to, see he had, didn't

watch that, so didn't really know. And I was also wondering if, you know, this is where it gets a little tricky, because is that they're ever going to do what they do secret wars and he shows up again? Is he showing up as Quicksl over this time? Or is he showing up as boner? Like, I think it's just that. It'll just depend. You've had people be on different sides of Marvel.

Like we had Chris Evans as Captain America and Human Tours. So you just got to figure out, you know, who it is. And you'll know pretty quickly. Like if he's actually running around and things like that, then, you know, you'll get, you'll get. I get that he was able to. do that. And before he was revealed to be Ralph Boner,

he, you know, he was putting on Pietro and he was running around quickly. But you'll be able to tell. I think it'll, that'll separate it. But yeah, I mean, it makes logical sense that he's there. So far, we've seen, I believe, pretty much everybody from Westview at some point or another come back.

Like, we got the big black dude that was the neighbor. Oh, yeah, he was there. The Indian dude is there. Obviously, Deborah Joe Rapp is there. Like we have seen pretty much everybody that was on Wanda vision at this point in some former fashion, more or less throughout Agatha all along. So it made logical sense when he showed up. I just found it funny because we're already right back to the, is it Mephisto? Because like someone pointed out when there was a calendar shown, October 13th was circled.

And that's Sasha Baron Cohen's birthday. So they were like, that must be a tip to the hat that Mephisto's coming. You got his name. That's probably all we're going to get out of all of this, man, unless he's the one that grants things at the end of which is wrote. That's the only thing that I could think of that might. Yeah, I want to see how they're going to play with these characters because I think that this story,

the most recent one that just aired the other night to me was the most they combined all the Marvel stuff together. And I thought it was very interesting. And I thought it worked because there was, rumors that he was going to be Wanda's kid. I'm like how are they going to do that? It was nothing like what are they going to do? And then the way that they played that and they kind of tricked you in like, oh no, the parents died and something else might happen. Like, nope, he died. And then now it's like she's the witch sets it up. She's like you're basically

have two lives, two people living in this in this body. And the way that they did that, I thought was pretty creative. I thought so too. It was pretty close to the comics. They did their own flavor on it. But that was that was essentially what happened in the In the comics, specifically, instead of, you know, just fully manifesting it in the hex, it was that two pieces of Mephisto's soul were essentially used to create the boys. And via Wanda's Magic, and then once, you know, ultimately they're kind of captured back into it. But because of Wann and everything else, they ultimately do end up inhabiting the lives of Billy Kaplan. and in this exact thing being raised by a reformed Jewish couple and all that kind of stuff.

And then Tommy ends up with another family and all that. But the idea, at least with Billy, the only thing that they left out here, that he was being, he was being bullied for being gay. He didn't know he had powers yet. And then he met the Scarlet Witch because that was his favorite superhero. And she was like, you should stand up for yourself. And when he did, his powers manifested and he almost killed the kid. And so then there's this whole thing of him learning.

to use his powers with Wanda and blah blah blah. So they kept a decent amount of the stuff that worked to kind of keep that story and to fit it into what they're trying to tell. So I appreciate that they as, as, you know, the showrunner has been doing this whole time, finding a way to tell your own unique story, but to be true to the comics at the same time. I think you can take the spoiler ad off now.

So very curious what you guys think about, all the stuff we just talked about with Wanda Vision and how it's going to play into the overall MCU and what they've done so far. Okay, so I think one more topic, and then we'll get into the user questions here, and we've got 11 right now, 11. So we, yeah, so it might be, it might be your,

it might be the short day to day for you. The boys, season five, cast Stranger Things Along, Mason die as bomb site. I don't know who bombsite is, but I think this kid's a really good actor, and I thought he was really good in Stranger Things. He's a really great kind of 80s, douchy villain, if you will, and antagonist. Prime Video has announced an explosive new addition to the fifth and final season of the boys

with Stranger Things Alum, Mason, Dye, set to play bombsight. Though this soup doesn't appear to be based on any specific character from the comics, he was mentioned last season as the star of a 50s-bought superhero film called The Curse of Fuma and Chew. So, like Soldier Boy in Stormfront, he's been around for a while. According to Variety, Bobcides also likely to appear in the upcoming prequel series Vaught Rising opposite Jensen Ankle's and Iya Cash. We recently learned that David Diggs also joined the cast of season five,

but details on his character are being kept under wraps. I think that's it. During San Diego Comic Comic Con, found that Soldier Boy will return as a series regular for the Boy, season five after making a brief appearance. It's too much. I haven't even seen that last season, so I'm a spoiler for myself. But I like this guy.

I like him. He's really good. Did you watch Stranger Things? Yeah. Yeah, was he in the first season or something? He was in the, he was in season four. He was the main, the main football jock who, who makes it,

he's like doing the hunt for his, his girlfriend dies and he's the one. Right, right. And he was so good in it. He was so good. He's, this is good casting. If you're gonna have him play a dickhead again,

it'll be good. But I'd like to see him, I'd like to see him not play a dickhead, but it looks like he's gonna be. But did you like last season? got of stranger things yeah no no no of uh the boys uh yeah i i definitely was enjoying it i i i think what it is for me is i had moments that i was like oh that's amazing and then there were other moments where i was like okay um so overall i would say it's probably my least favorite

season of them but like even the least fate like the heart i wouldn't call it chamber championship football, but like if it was like, hey, the chiefs didn't make it to the Super Bowl, but they still made it to the AFC championship, that's still like a successful season. You just are used to winning chips. So that's just not, that's not quite the same. And that's kind of how I felt. I felt like it was a good season, but it wasn't full blown to the, the A plus quality that they normally put out.

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If you haven't tried Joy Mode, I don't know what to tell you. You're missing out. Yeah, Joy Mode is the absolute best. Um, okay, Winston, we got 12 and I think we'll get through them, but today's 12. Hey, all right. Even, even the greatest players sometimes have some, uh, have some game. Hey man, you have bad games, you have bad games. But, but nonetheless, thank you everybody who put in some questions here today. And we start with the first and that's Pete Parker. I'm waiting all week to ask this. Who's worse? The giants are a cowboys. And what's Winston's opinion

on Deshawn Watson? Uh, Sean Watson is a piece of trash. And so karma hitting him is hilarious to me with how bad he is at football and the giants are objectively worse but at the same time they knew who they were like i mentioned earlier going into this versus yeah yeah exactly so i i'd argue that the cowboys are worse because if the cowboys if the cowboys have that much talent and it's supposed to be good and they still stink up the same way that the giants do and the giants have just as many wins or close to it that's uh that makes the cowboys worse in my opinion I mean, I think y'all are one and five. You're two and two and four, and we're three and three.

So you're only a game behind us. I think the one thing that's, that's interesting about it, the Eagles are definitely better than both of us, but the Eagles are also not good. They're, they're like a bit where commanders actually look really good. The Eagles look mid. We look bad and y'all look atrocious. We'll see.

Roman Fedorak. And he says, hey, yo, happy Friday and happy to be here with you, Jensen. and the chat favorite so bad they're funny films need a laugh this weekend thanks you know which one um under siege two made me laugh so hard in the theater i remember being with my friend evan we were just losing it on how bad that movie was but it was just so funny some of the shit that that happened how about you so bad that it's good i mean obviously the room that that is that is that is something special um hmm i'm trying to think of like a real oh velocopaster whatever that is pastor. So it is a, it is a pastor. I want to say in Argentina, who accidentally ends up getting cursed and becomes a wear velociraptor.

Yeah. And so whenever he gets mad, either to defend people or whatever, he turns into a velociraptor. It is horrible. That's pretty bad. But it is one of the funniest movies I've ever seen because of how bad it is. That's definitely one that they're more so like the giants. You just expect them to be bad. Mike Joyce after that mid-season trailer for Penguin I haven't watched it Batman has to show up right looks like shit's about to go down where is he washing his tights well I mean look here the the crime Batman really kind of protects the innocent a lot of the times too you know he's protecting the innocent they're they're beating themselves up right

now and so I can understand why he's not around they's probably doing other things but eventually yeah you have to say if it starts to get too rowdy in Gotham, he's going to do something, right? Yeah, if it gets too crazy, then he probably will. But if I had to guess, because they probably did have some sort of situation where they either couldn't afford Pattinson or there was something else going on

that they might allude to the fact that Batman shows up at the very end. Like stuff will all happen, and then maybe the last frame is you just see like the cow. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because they could have lied to us and they just didn't want to, you know, They were trying to bury the lead.

Right. And I don't think this is a situation like She-Hulk where you felt like you were losing the audience. So you quickly just threw out a trailer that Daredevil was coming. Right, right. So I think that if it happens, they just want to protect their secret. But I think that the most that they will do, especially because a show can stand on its own clearly, you just see the Cal at the end and that sets up Batman too. Yeah.

It very well could. So unknown. I don't understand how Billy took over William's body since Billy never existed and thus never had a soul since he was a figment of Juana's imagination. I didn't even try to figure that out. I mean, that's the thing. You got to remember to one point or another, as much as I don't like multiverse of madness, there was the whole point that the kids do exist in other worlds. So you could make the argument, especially with her chaos, magic and just how all that works. you ended up with

you know Monica with her powers because she kept being thrown through the hex right so it's kind of the same thing the hex just happened to be dissipating and it went the whole point I guess is that that was explained in the episode the whole point that was kind of explained in the episode was the idea that

um uh in general just just as far as witches go they can possess bodies, but especially if it's a dead body, then they can just take the body over. And so that's kind of what was happening. Whatever reason, the soul actually did exist and then it took it over. So I wouldn't be surprised if part of the conversation is they do go back to the roots.

And it's like, well, that was a part of Mephisto's soul that Wanda's magic manipulated. And maybe that's why this was able to happen. Could be. Oh, in the sigil. That was the other reason. I forgot. The other witch, the other witch wrote that sigil, and that seemed to have, like, done something to actually do that. Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I just, for me, it's, you didn't read enough into it, and I probably won't ever. So, Shea Markell, I liked hearing Tom's thoughts. I'm glad he's talking to season vets for advice.

Hopefully he also connects with Hemsworth on his store reflections. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I liked the honesty on Chris Hemsworth when I think it was Josh Harwitz. I actually asked him about, um, Thor, love him. in thunder and he he knows they shouldn't have done that. He knows they shouldn't have gone that route. And I think he wants to do another one and be a little bit more because I think that he goofed around. I think, look, I feel like Tycho with Titi is probably, I mean, I've had an opportunity to meet

him a few times. He is, he is naturally a funny dude that you just want to be around and you want to party with, right? So when that's on a set and when you have enough, you know, again, enough clout for him to where he's going, I'm not, unsimilar to the Todd Phillips thing. He just, they just said, oh, yeah, have some fun. Tyga, do whatever you want to do? And he's like, I'm just going to do a movie, basically,

that's Saturday Night Live in the Thor world. And Chris Hemsworth was having a blast and then went with it. And then he saw it and went, oh, maybe that wasn't the right choice. And it's similar to what Tom Holland's talking about, making sure you have respect to the character and doing all these types of things. And I think that we're going to see a different Thor. We're going to see more. I'd like to see a more serious Thor again like we did in the first movie.

I give me um give me infinity war thor that to me was the perfect blend where it was serious but there was still that base humor element that we got introduced to in Ragnarok so don't go don't go full tilt yeah you can just have the balance and you can crack jokes and you can do what you want to do you still you still you can kick ass

which is good um all right Winston though this is from Mr. Mr. I crap and shits. Winston, nice Halo 3 Collectors Edition helmet. I went to a midnight release at Best Buy to get mine in 2007. Oh.

That's incredible. What a, what a catch. Yeah, no, that was also midnight release. I was in college. We went to this game stop that I've never gone to again, but it was the only one that still, when I tried to do the pre-order that still had one. So we went

out there, we waited, we went back, and then I went with a couple of the homies, so we just set up a land party at college, man, and we were just playing all night, man. Awesome. A lot of fond memories of the Halo series. And he says, hey, Christian, just kidding, go, go guard.

Stop that. Stop that. Free pancakes. Always good for free pancakes. Sony has the opportunity to have three separate spidey franchises and three times the money, but no, they want to cram them all in one movie. See, that's what?

I always say I just I'd love to hear what the actual contract says because I'm is it something that says okay when they were making the deal you guys we can use Tom Holland but while we're still making movies together you can't do any stand you can do villain movies you can do all that stuff you can do anybody outside but you can't do Spider-Man movies while we're doing Spider-Man movies together I don't know if that's part of the deal I wouldn't if someone told me that was part of the deal I would be like oh that makes sense haven't heard that I yeah I'm not sure one way or the other either. But again, I'm not going to sit here and be like, I'm the like some great, you know, like a screenwriter and things like that. I'm okay, but I'm obviously not good enough that I've made

movies like that. But there's no way Fagie doesn't potentially hear that idea of you guys want your cake and we want to eat it too. So look, do your two solo little mini things so then you can have what you want and we can really focus on Tom. I don't think it would be that confusing at all especially because we have implied when you see tom that's mccu when you see these guys they can pop in but they're they've always kind of been their own thing yes had they made them move had they made separate movies with with toby and andrew um went before no way home then i think it could be a little confusing but after it it was right for the picking it was right there it was right there and that's why i'm saying if it wasn't in the contract and they

could have done that. They're morons for not doing it and doing the Madame Webb instead. Morons. But if it's part of the contract, we're like, hey, dummy, we weren't allowed to do it. So we had to do these. And I get it. But if they were allowed to and they didn't, morons. Absolutely. Yeah. Hey, dude, look, you fought back once in you're 26. I'll take it. I'll take it. It's me, Steveau. Chances we see Mephisto and Agatha. And do they need to? they don't need to but i think that you have opened up a door i understand it was a little bit of a red herring but you opened up the door by mentioning mefisto because you said that what agatha did is she

didn't just um part of what they were saying in earlier episodes was that it wasn't just that she killed her whole previous coven it's that she sold her baby to her her baby son to mefisto for hour. So if you're going to like since you open that door, I don't think it's a bad idea to at least address it. You don't technically have to per se. So yeah.

Mad Sinister McCall. Beth Snyder. Jerry Jones has been cast as dumb Lex Luthor. I don't think he's been cast. I think he's been born as. I just, I just, bro, he is. Yeah. such a bad GM and talk about ego.

He, he, like, he's not Lex Luthor in the sense that he's not trying to go dominate the world or anything like that. But the main thing about Lex Luthor is he's a billionaire whose ego will not allow him to actually be great for humanity. It has to go through him. Jerry is a fantastic owner and businessman. And I'll give him credit for a lot of his draft picks. But as far as, like, a GM to put a team together.

bro hire somebody else stop this for real uh mad sinister macaul will we see a major villain cameo in penguin well we saw not a major villain but we saw we saw someone from the batman universe in the last episode um put put your spoiler hat on um magpie yeah yeah yeah no you're right you're right yeah um so okay you can take it off now so now we get back to asshole, hot take. Doom and Spidey being the focus over Reed and Doom is hot garbage. I get why they're doing it. But Reed and Doom's relationship is as important as Professor X and Magneto's level of importance. I agree with him. I agree. Yeah, I think this is, again, them doing what you're talking about beforehand. Well, we know that it works with, and that's

probably Downey on this side too. We know that they're going to be crushed when they see him and and Peter together and this and that's not wrong, but it's like you're taking away the essence of what that really is. But you would have, what would have been a better move and maybe this is what they're doing, you have a situation where if you bring Spidey back in, I mean, you're bringing back in, but like he becomes very good close friends with the Fantastic Four.

Spidey always makes friends with everybody, but like he joins the Fantastic Four at one point. And so like he develops a relationship with Johnny, him and Reed are really close on the science stuff and all that. So what you would want to do is really push Peter and Reed getting close. And then when he ultimately ends up meeting with Doom and Reed and Doom are already at each other's throats like that, when he finally sees Doom's face and then, oh my God, you look like Tony Stark. If that's what you were going to do.

And then the idea is that he kind of falls under the sway of this Robert Donnie Jr. Like Tony Stark look alike because he's like, well, that was like, I don't miss it. mentor man. And so it's like messing with them psychologically. If they're going to do something like that, I could rock with that. But if it's just like, hey, I saw him and I'm just going to go over here. No, you need Reed and Victor to be at each other's throats. I agree. Okay. So this is the next one here. And this one is from why so Sidious, a nerd podcast. Pick a Star Wars novel to adapt into a movie. I say that anytime I'm asked this question, it's always the same answer. I would do two things. I would. And I still. I still. don't understand, this is what has never been discussed, look at what Netflix does, look at what Amazon does, look at HBO Max, they make original movies for their streaming thing

right off the some of the IPs. Why in the world would you not make a streaming movie for Star Wars, right? And adapt one of your books. What I would adapt is either the Darth Plagueist novel and make it either a six-part miniseries

or make it made for a streaming movie or the same with the Darth Bain or Knights of Republic make three movies what you could do. I think Knights of Republic should be saved for the big screen personally. But I think there's so much you can do and so many things you can adapt and do movies. Instead of doing another season of Obi-One,

do a movie and do it just on Disney Plus. I'm going to move more into the video game territory. I get holding off on Knights of their Old Republic, but I think the Force Unleashed with the whole Secret Apprentice would have been good. I think as much as people have loved, you know, oh my God, these last two Jedi games that just came out, Jedi Survivor. Yeah, right, right. Well, there's a rumor.

I found out a while ago they were going to put Calcestis and something. There was talking about him doing his own series. And then that kind of evolved into him just showing up. There's still more talk about him showing up in other things soon. I think either of those would be more because like the only, I didn't read a whole lot of the novels back when I was like, you know, a teenager. I read like the Jedi Academy stuff, and I found that really fascinating with, but we've already kind of established a different lore with Ben and instead of having the solo twins and all that kind of stuff.

So, you know, I would say if you're going to do it, go after either of those video game series for me. Screwface, John. I see Winston. I donate. Wakanda forever. Wakanda forever, my brother. Hey, man, your stuff you've been covering about the potential re-up of the beef.

I've been loving it, bro. Like, real talk, I am a huge fan. So every time you're on here, I love just giving you a shout-up, bro. That's right. Shea Markell. Winston, any thoughts on absolute Batman number one? I'm the only one that has this.

I haven't. I know I have the comic. Yeah, I don't, yeah, I don't, I actually don't have it. I haven't read it yet. That's, that's on me. I need to do that. I,

I, whew, it's been, it's actually been a good, It's been a good week, but the, as you know, we've got some stuff we're covering for Netflix soon. And so I made the mistake where I thought that the thing that we're covering is tied to a whole series. So I've been watching a whole series only to find out that they're not actually really. Right. So now I've spent 30 hours watching a show only to find out I didn't need to.

Yeah, there you go. And then Screwface John follows up. He says, when Christian said, Soldier Boy, I hate. hit the you'll you I love how yours is very it's like the the most 40s white man dad ever but that well I can't do it I don't have enough room but there was the one who was it it was a boxer that used to do that all the time and I remember my friend Mike Morbito and I watched it and we always was like he would I can't even always do it I couldn't remember who it was Superman at home yeah so Marcus M who says will we get a

static project in the Justice League in the James Gunn's DCU we better dude I I am so tired of this idea that we're not like that was one of the most beloved characters and shows in like the late 90s

early 2000s it's it's right there it's right there and I and like Black Lightning did pretty well on the CW but not as well as they would have wanted but I think part of that has to do with the fact that like, yeah, people like the character, but that's not necessarily like one that people were like fully invested in.

When I tell you, if you want to end up with a Black Panther type situation over at D.C., you go and do static shock, not only would black folk rock with it heavy, but there's plenty of all people I know like static shock and how great that cartoon was and things like that and the stories in the book. So you do static shock, you are printing money, honestly. So I hope they do it. I hope so. Mad Sinister Macau.

Sophia is my type. She's crazy. She's ruthless and sexy. Damn. You know, Mike is hilarious. Mike says, Mike goes, her, I can fix her. I can fix her. I mean, Mike says, good luck. She, I mean, she'll be more sinister about it, but she can do what she did in this episode. Is that how you want to go? I know, for real. It's hilarious. Pete Parker, 2288. I'm a Finns fan first, so I got nothing to gloat about. Yeah, it's amazing how the tides turn so fast. I mean, that's all I'll say about that, man, is like, look, your quarterback should retire.

And by the nature of him still playing, you're going to always run that risk because every time you have a concussion, it is that much easier to get one and you're doing that much more damage to your brain. So I don't think the dolphins will be truly good again until you move on to a new quarterback, you know, just because I can't trust his health. Yeah. Johnny Venerable. Hey, Christian, I've come around to your idea. We need the John William Superman theme in the new movie. Embracing. Feels like it would fit their tone.

I feel like me and you, Johnny, we are on our own little island. Because any time I tweet that out, I get more pushback on that than if I would have started talking politics. It is so crazy to me how you wouldn't want to do it in the same way that Bond has his theme. It's like especially now with the fact that he just did the whole thing with Christopher Reeve. I think it would be perfect to use that theme. But they're not going to use it. They're going to come up with their own, which is also another challenge. Maybe they'll come up with it.

Hans Zimmer had a great one too. But I would love it. But I just don't think in no world will it happen. Am I wrong, Winston? No, I think you're right. I don't think that they will. And that, that sucks because that is just synonymous with Superman. Yeah.

You know, even if you want to, like, I would actually be okay if you wanted to do your own thing. but at multiple moments it shows up. So like if like, you know, maybe when he goes to this fortress of solitude, we get it. Or maybe when he like sees visions of his dad, if he does, of Jorrell, you want to play it. All of those I think would be a reasonable way to split the difference. Matt B. I think Batman will most likely show up in the finale, probably stopping a crime that will inadvertently lead to penguins rising to power. I think so too. I think him, everyone's like, oh, they said he's not showing up. Yeah, they said that Khan wasn't going to be in, it wasn't in, you know, Star Trek in that one with Benner Cumberbatch.

So I never believe what they tell you, but I think he will be in it. I think he will and it will and it will probably, we discussed this on the show that we, I think we had our bet. I can't remember. I'm not a bad. I think we had a predictions. We all thought it would be close to the end of the season. Yeah, I want to say when I, when I mentioned it, I could have this wrong. I think I said the kind of the pen ultimate type situation.

But what you could do is now that we've set up that Sophia is about to be the main head butt to Penguin, maybe he comes in and takes her off the board. Hey, hang man. Like I, you know, like I got you. We'll see. And then takes her off the board. And then that allows Oz to kind of step up. I don't know. Shane Markell, if I'm correct, in the comics, the same thing basically happened with Wanda's kids.

She had her kids, souls planted in random newborns. Yeah, I think that's what Winston had mentioned earlier, right? Yeah. Yeah, but exactly that. It was newborns instead of this instance where they went with a teenager and whatnot. But it, but it's same, it reads the same. Roman, Fedorik, thank you both for the recommendations. You're talking about the movies, the bad movies.

I had no idea that this movie existed, Winston, but I must see it. Also, that's a boss hat. Thank you very much. So we, you know, I have, this is not a spoiler right now, but I have, you know, being from Texas and whatnot. My girlfriend is big in the country and we went to like a country themed like bar, nightclub or whatever to go do some line dancing. And I realized, damn, my boots are too small and I don't have a hat. So I had to go get one. And she was not excited about this steer on it.

But then she saw it, she was like, you know, the steer kind of do it. So nice. Okay. There you go. And then Macy's World. John Williams' Doc out is on November 1st. Favorite scores of his? I have to see the doc.

I can't wait to see it. I mean, I've got a ton that pop out. I mean, Indiana Jones. And there's more themes, you know, like Save Empire Ryan, the whole score is really, really good. Obviously, the Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back stuff, the Yoda themes, the layeth. I mean, there's so many. And that's just that's just one of hundreds. he has worked so much i just genuinely forgot um probably star wars home alone is up there for me because

like i was really raised on harry potter harry potter is up there for sure god he's worked so much yeah um yeah just if you have any other ones let me let me let me know roman fedorak are there scores that you like for movies that you don't are there scores you like for movies that you don't like okay yeah say what you will about the first bay former is the score is really good it's really good that you are so right roman that score is masterful i love steve that's my favorite thing about those movies is the steve jablonsky thing my on a bad on a movie that's boring not very good at all and the score is incredible is ridley scott's robin hood that's a really good one to listen to i listen to that one often i i can't the funny thing is is like really bad movies that i don't like

I don't keep you know keep up with the music well I just don't keep the movies in my head yeah that's fair like I had to reach for a philosopher pastor but only because it was so bad I really really enjoyed myself but I

if a movie is bad I kind of just push it out of my brain until somebody brings it up again so I'm sorry I don't know if I can be helpful that's fair Marcus M do you see the animated Justice League lineup Batman Superman Wonder Woman Green Lantern the Flash, Martian Manhunter,

and Hawk Girl as the DCUs? I mean, I think so in the sense that we are, we're already getting a Hawk Girl, which is, which is you're saying that. The Hawk Tour Girl is going to be in it? Yeah, man, she goes fly it and spit on that thing. At this point, who knows? Her career's pumping.

Right. The fact that John Stewart is the main lantern we're focusing on, That's, that's already pretty big. I think there's just, there's a lot there to, to kind of tip our hat to the fact that that that might be where we're going. I mean, the fact that like specifically with Aaron Pierce as well, that he looks exactly like the DC animated universe's version of John Stewart kind of also leads me to believe that they might be doing that.

But we'll see. We'll see. All right. This next one. from El Babayanga. Hey Winston, besides Naruto, what is the goat anime?

Oh, I mean, I've got to go with the Dragon Ball series. I've been obsessed with Sparking Zero, the video game that just came out.

But some of the other that are definitely up there. Death Note is a classic, for sure. I like other Gundam series, personally, but Wing was the first one I was introduced to

on Tsunami, so it has a special place in my heart. It's going to sound ridiculous, but like, Sailor Moon's actually kind of bomb. It's pretty, fire my hero academia just finished jujuju to kison which is awesome and uh chainsaw man

chainsaw man is ridiculous man all right um i don't know is this is this is our guy matt thomas hell of a hell of a game hashtag go guards i hope it's not our guy it is it is it is because he's he's from cleveland so all right i'll give it to browns are going to be doo-do trash he had to try it up some team that's doing well i'll give it to him he's from his home as long as he's not a front runner. Christmas on a Friday. We'll see how it pans out today. Armada.

Ray Nicholson as DCU Joker. I don't know. I just saw him I mean, he looks just like his pops obviously, but I don't, I just saw him in Smile 2, and he's fine in the role. I just don't know how much you know talent

he's got. He's fine in the, and Smile 2, he does what he's supposed to do. I just don't know if he can pull it off. That would be very interesting and amazing if he could do it. That would be, you know, pretty awesome. And if they audition him, they should audition him. I think they should definitely audition him. What do you think, listen?

No, they should a thousand percent auditioned him. I just, I would hope, I would genuinely hope that they do not put him in the role unless he is absolutely crushing it in that audition. Because you're talking about one of the great roles that Jack played. Yeah. You are asking the same way that honestly right now, I think that Brony would have been a decent basketball player if you had given him a little more time. He still might,

but give him a little more time to develop in college and then kind of come up his own way versus this kind of shoehorning that happened so he could go and play with his father on the Lakers. You are asking for him to be compared and to be shat on if he cannot live up to the name. And so I don't want Ray to be in a similar situation. If he's okay, but he's not stellar, that he's just going to catch Flack left and right about the Nepel baby stuff and all that kind of stuff.

So if they do it, he needs to be able to bring the sauce. Prudinsky. Just a touch on Batman showing up in the penguin, but you think he'd investigate what happened with the entire Falcone family dying. Oh, let someone give a spoiler. Sorry. Well, I'm going to, that sucks. So I didn't even see that coming.

Apologies. GoPye, Sam, to her hand my only memory of under siege two is katherine hegel teenage me probably only kept watching for her yeah i know it's it's funny when when you go back and watch that i go that's katherine hegel it's true um gopye follows it up i just got to rebel ridge a couple days ago was expecting full carnage but ended up with a good story did you see it yet rebel ridge i didn't is it good no i haven't seen it yet we were going to do a reaction to it and then things just kind of got in the way, but I do want to see that. I want to see, and I'm very curious to see his performance.

Yeah, definitely. I'm curious too. I, you know, the people, a lot of people are like leaning on that about like, yeah, that's why he earned it. But I think you should definitely, if you're getting, now that you're mentioning various reactions you're going to do, I think you should do a reaction to Velocopaster Man. Now that, now that I think about it, you would have a great time. That one, yeah, I know. Well, it's just, I always, it's always a, it's always a, uh, trying to figure out, you know, because first of all, the algorithm too, right? I did, I did, I did smile, I did the smile two out of the theater reaction. Did fine. It did pretty good. Did the first smile reaction, an actual reaction to it, ate a big pile of shit. And, and I was like, and then I

look at other, and I think it's because whether it's horror, people don't know that it's on my channel, some people don't see it. Some people said they didn't, no notification that even came out. So I don't understand, like, kind of how it works. And then obviously, it put Deadpool and Wolverine, it does very well. And so I'm doing right now, Alien Romulus, which we is, I got Penguin coming out on Sunday. I got Alan Ramos coming on Tuesday and then we're going to do

a wild robot on Friday next week. Those are the reactions that in the can are coming out right now. It's funny, man, because it's kind of the same thing in that like I'm still covering my nerd stuff and it does decently well, but I did a ditty thing one time and that

blew up. And so now I'm like, so I got to cover every step of ditty now. Great. Yeah. Yeah. is that I mean, that's, and that's what the algorithm is telling people that they're interested in your channel. Jedi Master for Life. Hey, guys, when do you think we see Barry Kagan's Joker on screen again? Thoughts on his Joker with a few minutes that we have him. I think he's a great actor, and I think that they are taking some shots. I think that I think he'll probably be in the third one, not the second one.

He'll be in the second one, but what I'm afraid of is they're going to do the same thing that they did in the first one is just some little cameo thing. And then, you know, you won't really get him until the third. Yeah. uh shea markell winston i see you decided to let me down today i don't know why maybe maybe well you did 44 you did 44 uh why did i let she down i'm not sure what to find out um oh oh because absolute batman oh my fault okay yeah yeah no no i i get it i need to like i said because he said i never let him down that's that's fair i i will i will make that a priority very quickly it's just a thousand percent i watched 30 hours of television i didn't need to

that's a lot jettie master for life would love to see frank delane from fear the walking dead as guns dc u joker anyone you guys think he'd make a great joker i don't know him well enough frank delane let me see if i know his face i'll look at this let me see if i if he looks familiar to me um i mean he's got an interesting face for the joker got a very interesting face for the joker It's a good, yeah, good, great cast. Yeah, hey, I don't, I don't know if he's a good actor or not, but he's, but that's got a good look. I'm not a good look with his work. He's got a good look.

Yeah, I could, I could see it. I could certainly see it. Derek the great. First one from Derek here today. And he says, I'm throwing in some support. I just can't watch today. I'm traveling. I love the show as always.

Thank you, Derek. Derek's the man. Oh, I remember this kid. Oh, yeah. He was, he was Tom Riddle in, in, um, Half-Blet Prince Oh, and Harry Potter.

On play on Broadway? No, no, no, no. In the movie, Harry Potter and the Half-Blet Prince. Oh, was he? He played Tom Riddle. Interesting. He did?

Like the flashback sequence where we see Dumbledore's memories and he was like teaching a young. Did he really? Oh, that's interesting. Okay. Wow, a long time ago. Okay, so next one is from

Gopal. And he says, one more for the spoiler hat. Oh, thank you. And then Matt Sinister McCall, I can fix Sophia. She can slam my head all night. That makes sense. Screwface. If they make static movie, I'm going to pop out into a Deshiki is what he said. I'm trying to tell you, bro. Like, do you understand what will happen? They can sell so many Jordan. You can sell them little dis, there's going everywhere. Everybody will get their dread froze back. This needs to happen. We'll see. Shea Markell.

Hey, Winston, any new movies or TV shows that you're excited about and how are you feeling about this Dune TV show? I love the spoiler hat also. I'm excited about that. I didn't watch the new trailer because I'm going to, I'm already, I'm all in. I don't want to watch anymore. I'll be reacting to those for sure. I'm all in for those. So, yeah, I'm excited about it.

But you, yeah, because you just watched Dune 1 and Dune 2 over the course of the last year. So I'm sure you're pretty excited about it too. Yeah, because what, Dune 2 came out last. No, beginning of this year, man, March. In this year. So we went to go see, no, we went to go see it in like February. Yeah, we saw it early. Yeah, we saw it this year. Yeah, yeah, wow. Yeah, I mean, the show I think will be, will be great. I'm here for it. I mean, the biggest show that I was anticipating is Penguin and it has not disappointed whatsoever.

I've been getting really into a lot of docu-series, especially like sports docus series. So if anybody's into stuff like that, there was one that Netflix put out of Hope Solo versus U.S. soccer, which was fascinating. I've really loved both quarterback and receiver, and now I'm watching starting five. And then as far as just like straight narrative shows, I'm trying to think what else is coming. Nothing is coming to mind right now. I forgot. Did you see you were watching Superman and Lois? Did you watch that show?

I didn't. I heard it was good though. So many people tell me to watch it. And then Luke from Galaxy Geeks, who helps out on the channel, he suggested watching it as a, you know, a reaction of doing like a little week.

I messed up. I need to get back on the franchise. I keep forgetting to go watch it, but the franchise... Do you have ADHD? Yeah, I figured. Me and you both. Because we do the same things.

I was in the middle of talking to you about something and you started talking about something else you remembered. What are you doing? Well, because we were still talking about. to the middle of a conversation. The middle of it's in the middle of saying something to you. I still heard. Oh yeah, I'll have the eggs.

That was last week at the diner. And now you want the eggs? Five seconds ago. Unbelievable. All right. Anyway, Spitey Sense 72. Women of the Hour. Anna Kendrick directorial debut is on Netflix.

Have either of you seen it? If so, thoughts. I have not. Unbelievable. You know what? Here. No, let's take the beds right now.

I didn't do it early. No, don't do it. Not on, not on here. All right. So women, so I didn't see, I actually haven't seen it,

but I heard great things about it. I heard great things about it. I think, I can't remember. Someone who had seen it recently said it was so good. And I can't remember who the hell it was. Anyway. Well,

all I could say is get me back. So when you remember it in about 15 seconds. Say who it was. that's true. Matt Sinister McCall. How do you not know Rubberman is dating your sister? I don't understand that. Do you? Nope. Didn't get that. Missed that one.

Mad Sinister. Shea Markell. Hot take. I personally believe it would make for a better story if Sam didn't become Captain America. I would have loved to see a sidekick reluctantly step up as a leader in the absence of his friend. I mean, I don't think they necessarily

needed to make him Captain America. I happen to agree with Shea. I think that's you don't need to make him that i mean but that's the whole thing you're you're gonna stay as close to the comics as you can and that's exactly what happens yeah but they took away but they and they stopped remember they did that they gave him the shield and they took the shield away from them and all that yeah and and and i and i i i i i would know better than me if that was something that was also kind of in there one way or the other but but as far as him being past the shield and then having to deal with people either a being like nah

black dude you ain't going to be kept america but just be you're not right rod is regardless of your race you don't have the super soldier serum you don't do things the same way like you're not and him having to like earn his stripes and prove it on a multi-tier level i have zero problem with it especially knowing because i've seen what the groundwork for it is that's true i mean there's a question of how they're going to actually i just don't want him to be set up for failure because especially at the movie's testing poorly that's but then that but then that is less on the idea of that's true that storyline and more you didn't execute that's i agree with you um

marcus m batman and spider man have the best rogues what hero is third i would argue the flash then superman can either have a standalone universe as one and two um who has the best rogues batman definitely spider man for sure ironically uh i actually am a big fan of statics rogues oh really okay i don't i don't have enough yeah this is

This is one where I definitely wish we had coy for because I don't I don't I would have said Batman or or Spider-Man. I would go in order for me Batman, Spider-Man. Superman definitely has them. I think it's just my my issue is there's really only three of any true kind of worth to it. And he's still Superman. So it very rarely fails. And that's just Brainiac Darkside and Lex Luthor. Parasite is interesting, but he always.

kind of figures it out so i i don't know the you can't only have three and the rest suck like i there's there's very few batman rogues that i'm like ew and same thing with spider-man like i like pretty much all of them so well shea follows up and says winston you're a top-tier human oh thank you oh uh goku dragon ball z actually like freeza cell boo mooroh when you get to that like all of those are like top-tier villains i know i'm going outside of american comics now but like fantastic This is a great point. Creshing Coyote. Penguin takes place one to two weeks

after the Batman. Bruce is recovering from a point-blank shotgun shot with broken ribs, let him recover for movie two. It's a good point. He's a human being. That's actually a fantastic. It's a great point. It's a great point. Christian Medard. Dr. Strange 2 made no sense.

Wanda was so powerful and couldn't tell her kids survived. A sickly from a week which stopped Wanda with Dark hold yeah i i i agree this is i dr strange was full of holes and dr strange too and just not great like and i i understand that there was enough of a setup that the dark hold was corrupting her one way or the other but you just did not truly follow through with things the way that they were and it just didn't just didn't work in my opinion you just kind of besmirched everything you set up but i agree um next question here is from matt thomas again thanks man

listen, having been on set for Superman, I think this is my most hyped movie of 2025, and I will agree, I need that theme in it. There's no ifs, ands, or butts about it. Yeah, Matt, then you are also on that island with us, but I think they were going to have to, we're going to be there sad, and no one's going to rescue us from the island

because it's going to be, they're going to come up with their own thing, I think for sure. I genuinely hope because I feel like they did that with, with the flash where, well, where they, where they kind of did their own thing with Batman, but when he, when Keaton first put the Cal on, they put the da-da-da-da-da.

Oh, yeah, but the Tim, well, the Danny Elfman music is definitely in there, for sure, the Danny Elfman music's in. I just think because it's so far, I mean, like, look, if Henry Cabell was back in, you gotta put his theme in it, right? If it, when they did, even in the flash, I wish what they would have done in the flash,

even when they did that horrible CGI of Christopher Reeve, they should at least put his theme in there. But I think that I just feel like that theme is about as recognizable as any theme. In the same way that I find it almost a crime that they've completely abandoned the John Williams score from the Star Wars stuff, it's so recognizable with the franchise. And there's so much of it that's missing. I'm all for new music and new things, but you can't abandon it. Like Kevin Kiner to me is the best composer.

He did the Asoka series and there were hints of the William stuff. And it's the only one that did it. Obi-Wan should have been the one that was littered with it. And it was nowhere to be found. Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say in that regard, especially if you're going to specifically build off of characters and or stories that were already tied to said music,

you really should. 100%. It's such a stupid decision. it's me stevo here's a fun fact christin miliani was in wolf of wall street she sure was and and still she played his x-y the one that's right and the one who um and it's so funny like i i've just seen that movie so many times that if you would have told me today well the second you say it because i saw his his super chat and i said the second he wrote it i was like oh yeah she was i would but i wouldn't pull that right away until you until i saw it oh yeah of course because she was so good in it

She's a really, really great actress. And you know what's so funny about it is I was watching it. And I didn't realize where she was from because I'm like, because Mark Strong plays Falcone in the flashbacks because I guess they couldn't get, because either Tatar didn't want to come back or they couldn't get him back scheduling, whatever it was. And so Mark Strong played him. And I think he's English.

And he did as good as he could with the East Coast accent. Pretty decent. He's a really good actor. Tom, I mean, Colin Farrell is doing a mixture of like the Gotham accent with New York, whatever and he's got his own kind of thing going on and i'm and i'm listening to christa miliani i'm like that is authentic i'm like weird i mean that's even that she's either that's the best east coast or she's from the east coast and sure of shit she's from new jersey so there you come yeah it's like it is it is it is sure as i mean is she is it's bad as authentic as you get you can hear the role

born to play the role she's really really good in it um hey winston you we we didn't even think you were going to hit 20. You hit 49. I think that's a pretty damn good. That's pretty damn good. No, I lie to you. You hit 50. Roman Fedorak. Kiner's scores are great, but I think Ludwig deserves credit too for being new and old, especially with the end of season two. 100%. But the difference is there. Here's the thing. That show, as Winston was saying, there was enough in there in that that it didn't really call for a lot of the original stuff. And when you did hear the original stuff in it. When was it? It was when Luke showed up and you heard it. So, and that was when it made sense. I agree with you. I think he did a great job with his own stuff. But when you're

putting stuff, but even then, like when, when there's Jedi and there's other things, like, Grogoo should have had it a little bit more, especially as he's trained a little bit more. They should have been a little bit more of it. But in, but for the first season, now you don't need the stuff because it's, you're introducing a mandoloring. You're introducing him and his themes. But the other stuff, all the other things that they did, I think very stupid. I agree. Look, I'll take it just to straight music. If screwface is still in here, you know, you don't have to super chat again if you don't want to. But the idea when you look at like, say, hip hop right now and how a lot of new rappers are taking old beats and old songs and deciding to reuse them, the ones that end up kind of falling flat on their face are the ones that are just taking the beat and doing whatever they want. But then the ones that you see actually pay like great homage to what was there are the ones that are success. So when you look at say, Glorilla just put out one and it's a nod to,

uh, wipe me down. The flow in there is a lot of the flow with her and sexy red are the same. Like a lot like their own versions of those bars are in there as well. It's the same thing. Ludwig as was brought up did his own thing. But when he knew it was fully appropriate to plug in where the OG stuff was coming from and how it applies, that's when it works. So I genuinely hope they do that with Williams and Superman.

Shea finishes us today. It says, Bucky was Cap 2. I just think the Falcon can be made cool. You can still have him go through the challenge of filling cops' boots without him becoming Cap of America, but I respect everyone's thoughts. I think a Falcon movie would have been cool, but maybe not just doesn't carry the same weight as the Captain America name. I get it.

And then Top Dog Rig, hi, hi, friends. Thank you. I appreciate it. Harloff don't know about that. I don't know what that means. I don't know about what. It's always like the timing of when did they send that in. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

What, yeah. Anyway, Winston, we did it. 52, 52 strong. I think that's a pretty damn good show. You'll get it true, baby. Pretty good show. Where can they find you, bud? You can find me on YouTube at the Swaggy Blurred.

As I wrap up here, I am actually going to go and do my blurred breakdown for today. It's mainly going to be the kind of reaction show with me following funny or interesting videos on the internet. I have to do a couple new stories because there was more stuff with Diddy. I'm not going to say it here, but like, oh my God. So there's that. And then later on this afternoon over on the Outlaw Nation with Roka Man, we're doing another episode of Spill the Tequila that's at 3 p.m. Pacific time. So you don't want to miss that.

And then, yeah, that's pretty much it. Perfect. So thank you guys. Again, I still don't know what's happening or in the chat. So it is great to have everybody here with us today. Great to have Winston with us. We're going to be doing a lot next week. This weekend.

So I think Sunday I had the penguin stuff coming out. On Tuesday, I'm going to have the reaction for Romulus Friday. We'll be the wild robot. I think that's it. A lot of other... Oh, yeah, and Venom, which we're even talking about today. Venom, I'm going to see Venom on, I think, Tuesday. Are you going to see it?

It depends if Koi can help me out. Oh, no, because I don't get back until late Tuesday. Well, I'm not sure when the screening is in L.A. for it. But, yeah, great. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate it. And we'll see you guys on the flip side. Bye.