The Kristian Harloff Show - Top Gun: Maverick, Cobra Kai: What Should Be the Next Legacy Sequel Project?

Episode Date: June 23, 2022

Top Gun Maverick, Cobra Kai, and now Dirty Dancing will be getting the legacy treatment. Legacy sequels when done right seem to be the most successful trend. What are the ones that we want to see that we think can work and what is the right formula to make them work? Today, David Del Rio joins Kristian and Brett on the show. We speak to David about acting, inspirations, directing and his brand new show on Hulu called Maggie debuting on July 6. It is a fun conversation for film fans so we hope you enjoy! Follow the crew on Twitter! Kristian Harloff https://twitter.com/KristianHarloff Brett Sheridan https://twitter.com/misterwiggly David Del Rio https://www.instagram.com/daviddelrio/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We're back. It is the big thing. It is Thursday. We have a superstar in the arts. It's not Brett Sheridan. It is David Doria. What's up, David? How are you doing, man?

It's good to see you. Finally, we're finally doing this. Finally doing this, man. I've been waiting for this for a long time. It's been a while. I am one of the subscribers. You are. You are.

Yes. And I love, you know, you're a movie nerd too, and you guys uplift the movies, you know, the industry in a way that's very nice and intellectual and informative and stuff. And that, that's for any cinephile, that's why I kind of. Well, you're clearly not a subscriber because that's not this show. Well, kidding. It's good to have you,

then finally we're doing, because you had, because the Shmodown story of it all is that when I was, I guess maybe back with Collider, you reached out. That's right. Hey man,

you ever want to get me involved? I'd love to. And I knew you pitch perfect. Yeah, yeah. And it just worked. Back in the Twitter DMs. That's how it worked.

Yeah, back in the Twitter DMs. Back in the day. When you responded to me, it was like really just, because I've been watching already. And I was like, you know,

oh my God, he responded. And he wants me to play? That's crazy. It worked out. And definitely got nervous, but kind of definitely put a stamp. Last year for sure. Yeah, last year you did great.

And it was a bummer not to have you this year. But for good reason. You've been busy, man. Yeah, I've been busy. Thank God. Let's talk about the show. Maggie. So, first of all, Rod Stewart's got to play in this thing, right?

The other Maggie's song, it's got to play. It's a slow down version. The slow down version of Maggie. Right, right. No, it's really exciting. It's a new type of role for me that I'm really excited. to play, you know, I'm the leading romantic guy, and I'm kind of like always used to playing the funny brother, funny best friend, and, you know, when I got cast in this, I'm like,

so we're sure about this. You guys are actually sure. And I'm seriously, that was like the first thing I said in the meeting. And they're like, oh, you know, the thing we liked about you is this guy's flawed and a little bit of an a-hole, but, but you made it funny. And so we're kind of looking for a, like a Billy Crystal type. I'm like, oh, that kind of leading man. Okay, that I can do. I was like, that, that, that makes sense to me. And, uh, you know, anytime doing a project like this, you're still trying to find the characters and you're still trying to find a way to elevate the genre that we're representing, you know? And so we try to figure out different ways to elevate the rom-com.

And can you really not, I don't know if you can, but like the, the, the Odyssey to do so was something that we were really concentrating on. You can tell. And even in, because like you said, it's romantic comedy genre has. been done like the horror genre or anything, has been done a million times over, but how do you make it different? And I think that's one of the reasons that you had that Sandra Bullock movie

that came out recently, Lost City or whatnot. And I remember talking about it with you and saying, this movie's going to do very well in the theater because it's not Marvel. It's not D.C. People are getting back into the theater and people want to see something different.

And it did, and it did very well. And I feel the same way about like a lot of the streaming shows as well. Like when you see the streaming shows that are popping right now, whether it's in the superhero genre, but a twisted version like Peacemaker or The Boys. And then you have Obi-Wan, you got stranger things. Where's this?

Where's the genre? You know, where's the romantic comedy genre for not just a movie, but like a series? And I think you guys could fill in that void with Hulu. And you know, and I've done this rom-com genre before in a television series, right? So the last series I was in, Baker and the Beauty, was an ABC show that got a resurgence on Netflix. Everyone thought it was a Netflix show. Right. And that was a whole other area.

of elevating the rom-com and it was a sort of way because it was a pastry show right so it had to match what was going on and so it was very, very sweet and very kind of like you can kind of tell what's going to happen in the last episode in the first one

you know like all these two are going to get together and this one is a big will they won't they and the trailer that certainly was the case because the way it's set up in the trailer and I'm putting the trailer in the description for people who want to check it out but like it's yeah in the trailer it's like

okay, well, here's a psychic who is meeting the guy she's supposed to marry. So how is it going to happen? And then like, oh, wait a minute. Maybe it's not going to happen from the way that that's set up at the end. I thought that was pretty clever. I got a chance to see a lot of the episodes. And, you know, it's also a mix of mystery there too, right? There's going to be glimpses of what she sees in the future.

And then you're going to like, how is that connected? And so you kind of need to kind of watch the whole series to figure out, you know, Oh, this one is from episode this. And, you know, oh, I saw that episode too. And now it's on episode nine, that kind of thing. So it kind of like, did you watch The Affair? I didn't. So the affair did stuff similar.

Well, it was the way that the affair worked is that people were telling certain aspects, certainly an event that happened. And then it would be in the perspective of one character, but then the same event would happen. But it was, but things were different. Right. And inside the same storytelling. So maybe it's, but,

You had to piece it together. You had to piece it together. And this is one of those shows that's really laying it out on the table for you. Like, well, this is what you can expect. Right. A rom-com story, and you're trying to connect the pieces. And it's really engaging. And I was, my wife and I were just very sharp to how engaged we were.

I was like, wait a minute. I know what that means. And then she's like, what does that mean? What does that mean? You know, should we skip to the next? No, no. Let's watch the episodes in order. And then we'll get the whole story.

And I think a lot of people are going to have fun, have fun doing that. And then the other thing is just like, you know, you know, she's, she's a palm rita, a fortune teller, right? And what I love about this show is that we don't make it that big of a deal until after the, after the first scene, then we just accept it. Yeah, it's the job. It's the job, right? And Maggie, played by Rebecca Rittenhouse, is surrounded by these characters

of who are we if our best friend or our daughter or our girlfriend or anything is a fortune teller. And we really dive into that in a way that doesn't, really show it. It doesn't really kind of make it obvious to you every time. We're just living life. And that's something that I really, really loved about the characters. Yeah. And Brett,

I don't think I've ever seen where a psychic has a psychic. Like that, that part I love too. It was like that, you know, because she can't see what's happening in her life. But she needs someone to tell. And I thought that was a great twist on that.

And I'm definitely looking forward to something like this, because I'm so with my wife and everything we watch is so heavy. We need something like, you know. That's exactly. why I'm telling you, I sent it to my wife immediately after I watched it and I said, take a look at this because I think this is right up her alley. And I think that it's also, but it also doesn't seem, like you said, doesn't seem by the numbers. It doesn't seem like I've seen it a million times over and that I can predict it because that's,

that's the problem with any movie or TV shows. Even with Obi-Wan watching right now, like the beginning, when it starts out, I'm like, all right, well, that clearly is going to happen and then it happens. And it's like, and it's just a matter of, for me, it's just I've seen a lot of different genres over and over and over again, that you want to see it when it keeps it fresh. And that's the beauty of streaming, though, too. That's also the beauty of filmmaking, really, as well, you know, where you kind of, you know, having to balance when to take off your director, producer, writer hat and be like, oh, wait, I'm an actor,

let me just, let me just say those lines or whatever. And nothing too crazy like, you know, oh, my character wouldn't say this, that kind of thing. We all kind of came up with a way of communicating, hey, let me try this. And, you know, it was really nice to be in that environment that every take, they just kept giving us new lines. And I loved it. I love that sort of kind of, that sort of gameplay and me being in the field and kind of getting my brain right to making sure that not only, you know, to say the line, but say you only got one take until that next line that they want to give it to you. So you really want to nail it. And we all kind of came in with the attitude of not only elevating the

rom-com, but how do we figure out a way to say this part of the rom-com? in a way that's never been done before. You know, that really was, that really was our focus. So that sort of filmmaking process, and I, I would go, I would go to set, and this is just kind of how I work, because it's almost, it's all about the project for me. You know what I mean? I mean, we are actors in front of the camera. We are in an industry that makes it about the person on the camera, that it makes it look

like it's the person of the camera, but we completely forget everything else that's happening. So we had to have a mindset that I would come in and I go, hey, and I wouldn't even be shooting for another three hours, but I would go to Ray Ford. I would go to Angelic Cabra. And I'd be like, hey, you know, I thought of a great line for you here. And then they just throw it. And then they do the same with me. And when you're working with Kerry Kinney Silver from Reno 911 and Chris Elliott, and you kind of have a little bit of the balls to go, I have a line.

Can I just throw one in it? And then being so gracious of going, oh, that's actually pretty good. I'm like, yeah, really? That's really good. See, that's the magic trick. Because, like, you got, you, you've got one shot up top to make it work. So the first one you pitch has to be the one that they like. Right, because if you start throwing our shit bombs, they're going to go, they're going to go.

And they would actually, and if they don't take your idea, they do it in a nice way by just not doing it in the take. And then they make you feel like they're going to. And then it says action, they don't do your language. No. Yeah. Loud and clear. I'll tell them again. I'll try them again.

We think that's great. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Knock on their trailer. Hey, I didn't hear you, I didn't hear you say that earlier. We want to try it again? Yeah, exactly.

So, well, that's good. And you start to build that, and that helps with the dynamic on set and the chemistry, because especially with comedies, you got to have that rhythm. You got to have the vibe and you have that comfortability. I think even more when you're in a comedy, you become a student as well, when you have people like Carrie and Chris and Anjolique and Nicole. And, you know, you have people that you just want to sit back and watch. And, you know, being in the position of which this character is in.

you're in a position to pass the ball this time. You know, I played characters where they just can give me the ball to, like, nail those, those comedic lines. Not here. Not here. I'm just like, here you go, here you go, here you go. And then I would, you know, we try to help each other out and giving each other lines and stuff. Yeah, I mean, it seems like, and especially like you said, when you're on,

you're on set, you get to be a student of the game as much as anything else, too, especially when you're, and being a lead, you know, and being the lead of this show. So like you said, it's when you first go in, it's intimidating to where you, but you do it, but then, I haven't known you that long, but. I know you long enough to where you're one of those people just kind of take the bull by the horns and go for it. And that seems to be what you're doing here. Well, absolutely. I think that when you're, you know, people ask me all the time, like, what made you, you know,

get to this part? What made you want to do this part? I audition. Yeah. I was, I was straight up nine rounds of interview. You know what I mean? And I earned it and I booked it. And then I just try to keep it.

You know? And, and you kind of need. to sort of get into the mindset of taking the bull by the horns, but, you know, turning off the shitty committee in your head at first, you know, it's kind of saying like, oh, my God, leading man. And then you kind of just forget about that label and just go, no, no, no, this guy's flawed. Yeah. This guy, this guy has problems.

He's, he can be charming. He can be in a hole sometimes. But, but he's human. And more and more, I mean, every job I do, my, my poor wife gets a phone call saying, I'm getting fired this week. I know. I know this. You know what I mean? Belko experiment was one of those, was one of those things that was written by James Gunn and produced by James Gunn and, and Peter Saffron and directed by Greg McLean. You know, you're going into a group that he's known for 20 years. So it's not like you're coming into a project. It's almost like you're coming into a

reunion and you don't know anybody at the reunion, you know? And it's, and it was one of those things that's that, you know, I called my wife. I'm like, yeah, no, I'm definitely. Don't forget it fires. Sounds like you. Yeah. But then I've had and then, but then the beginning of my career, uh, has been replacing people. Yeah. Right.

So, so pitch perfect. I replaced somebody, uh, and when I was a, um, a, uh, oh my God, I even forgot the, a, a treble maker. I, I, I, I, they called me and, and, and I had to fly to, uh, New Orleans the next day. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and the beginning of my career was the troop and I replaced the kid in the pilot. And that was my very, very first job.

straight into 28 episodes. Everything I learned about how to be a director, writer, and actor was on that set in Vancouver, a falling, you know, tennis ball because it's a monster. I just had no idea. Everything I learned was in those 28 episodes. But the beginning of my career was replacing people. And so then that's the mindset. You kind of go, okay, you're an employee.

Now try to prove to them why you were employed. Right, right. And that's the goal. You kind of don't want to come in and go, let me show you how talented I am. You want to really concentrate on being a good employee first, to be honest. You want to elevate the material. That's what you're there to do. And when you do that, that's more so than going, hey, look at me and what I can do.

It's more like, look at what I can do to help the project, for sure. And I feel like more in my career now at this particular point, I'm learning to kind of like speak up a little bit more. I'm like, yeah, you can be only a student for so long. Now you can kind of take a little bit more ownership in the things that you do. It's paying off, man. I just have to say, you know how many people I've replaced? I mean, that right there is... That alone.

Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one. So look, the show is Maggie, and it comes out on July 6th. So make sure you check it out, everybody. It's David Del Rio, starring in the one of Lee Rolls here in Maggie.

So make sure you check it. What he's also doing, look, look, look this handsome devil. Oh, yeah. And he's rocking the talk in the talks, is what I like. That's not a Billy Crystal looking. Oh, no. I never thought I'd be a handsome lady. I appreciate that.

I appreciate it. So the main question here, though, is, is the mustache? Yeah. Is that for a roll or is you just able to rock it? This takes me nine years to grow. So I really do just try to rock it when it comes very rarely. I can't do it. See, you can rock it and you look like, you can rock it.

See, it works to where it's like stylish. Yeah. Me, they're going to put me in a jail cell. They're going to know something's wrong. I don't know. I think it's just the Cuban-Colombian thing. It works. I just need a cigar in my hand.

I think it'll work out better. Well, I'm happy for you, man. I'm definitely going to be watching the show, and I'm going to be absolutely watching it with my wife as soon as it comes in. And I'm very excited for it. So I want everybody to check that out for sure. And David Delrier, he's not going anywhere. We're going to talk some movies and some TV.

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Thank you so much. It's really, really good. It's phenomenal. I'll help you out, especially with all the traveling you've been doing. Yeah, yeah. So where are you living now? What do you do? Oh, man, I'm in Austin, Texas.

How are you liking it? I love it. Yeah. I love it. I do. I live in a town called Bastrop. It's kind of 30 minutes east from Austin on the way to Houston. And it's one of those things that's like when you're driving down to the town of Bastrop, it reminds you of one of those exits that you need to take when you're on a road trip and you have all these fast food signs.

It starts off like that, right? And I'm just like, oh my gosh, where are we going? I was looking for the house. But then when you get off the exit, it is a nice city. You know, it's got everything you need. And for me being, listen, these, listen, these aren't musical theater hands anymore. These are home building hands. I still need a little bit of calluses, but like I'm building stuff now.

But, you know, it's got Home Depot, Lowe's, whatever. And then on the other side, we're divided by this beautiful bridge on a river. And it's just Old Town Bastrop. You know, it kind of feels like you're on a set of the old West, but it has all these, it's got a quaint little town and then it's got every major commercial, you know, a spot. Where are you from originally? Miami, Florida, but you're raised. Okay. Yeah, yeah, Columbia and Cuban.

Okay. So I lived in Florida for a long time. I mean, I went to Florida State. Oh, wow. So, way, ways away from Miami, but still on the other side of it. But still, I went to Miami many times over and a lot of our breaks and stuff, too, a lot of friends from Miami. Yeah, yeah. So what do you, is that where you discover acting?

Yeah, I mean, I always wanted to. to make people laugh. You know, I was, I was influenced by Jerry Lewis. Nice. You know, his work, not his personality. And then I, and then Jim Carrey definitely, who was not influenced by Jim Carrey, you know, in the 90s, really. And then really was John Ligizamo.

You know, HBO, what they need to do again, in my opinion, is, you know, HBO used to air Broadway shows. Yeah, you know, they had, yeah, and they had a death of a salesman with Brian Denny. I was like, let's see. Can we just see a Philip Seymour Hoffman, you know, can we just air the Philip Seymour Hoffman death of salesman? It would be a dream just to watch, right? But, you know, John Liguizamo, a freak, John Lugizamo, his one main show is directed by Spike Lee. He was a real heavy influence on me.

Have you met him? Actually, yeah. In a way, it was a callback and a reading with him to play his son in a pilot. Yeah, yeah. Did you tell him? Oh, yeah. And he was just very great. and just awesome.

He's also a Shakespearean actor too, right? And so he really brings his technique to a lot of the work that he does. Of course I knew that, because he was, because he even took that when he was in Romeo and Juliet. That's right. That's right. And so he really was, he's an avid studyer of that.

So definitely admire. And then, you know, basically on about eighth and ninth grade, it was just the homework into the character that really hooked me and saying, okay, now this is something that I really want to take seriously. It's not just making people laugh anymore. where it's kind of the investigation of it was something that I really got hooked in.

And then I went to an arts high school where it was like fame. So like there was no, the joke. In Florida? Yeah, in Miami called New World School of the Arts. And basically, you know, we didn't have fights. You know, we had dance offs in the middle of the thing.

It was just like, it was that story. It really was that. You know, me and my friends acted like the secret service to the, the principal, you know, allowing us to push kids to the side so she can walk through. And also would give us like, you know, the tardy slips for doing this.

sort of comedic troupe thing with her. She was like, you guys are so funny. Go, you know, go to class late anytime you want. See, look at that.

Yeah, yeah. So, so there, you know, I did, you know, I did the elephant man and that was something that really,

really got me into taking it seriously. At what age did you do the elephant man? I was 18. Wow, that's heavy. And I even remember. It's like, I'm gonna rip it,

like fire farts off of a chair. This guy's doing elephant man. No, I mean, it's something that I really. I did that elephant man. It was, my balls, but it was just kind of a little elephant, man.

Yeah, I got a little elephant tiasis down there. But yeah, I mean, that I really took seriously. And then I went, and then I went to New York in college. And then. To where did you go to New York? Conservatory for Germanicards. And then. How long did you spend New York?

Just the four years? Just three years. Three years. Yeah, it was a two year program, just really like a certificate of completion with a good job sticker. But what's always great is that they, they would leave you with demo reels. Like they shot demo reels for the students who were graduating. So they had a package to take with them. So you have something tangible and saying, instead of saying, oh, I'm David Del Rio, I'm an actor. I don't have to tell you. I can just show you. You had something there to kind of show people.

And I also remember, like, you're not allowed to audition when you're in these kind of training programs. But I really didn't give a shit. So I found an agent who I, that was next to that building. And it was kind of like back in the Ross reports where it was kind of like a book, nothing on the internet, just a book that had all the addresses of agents, managers and stuff like that.

And there was an agent that was right next to me. And I knocked on the door and I said, can I read for you? Then got a Law & Order SVU while I was, well, that was the first one. Uh-huh, well, I was in college. And then all of a sudden the school was like, oh my, can you believe it?

Like, this guy's great. You know, like, you audition anytime you want. You know, I'm like, oh, yeah. How, how can you? convenient. I'm sure people break the rules. Right, right. Yeah, they do.

They do. In fact, the kid's name in the Spider-Man movies did the exact same thing. He went to my school who played the best friend. Oh, right? Ned, right? Yeah, yeah. And he did the exact same thing that I did. But he did it for Spider-Man.

So it worked out for him. It worked out for him. But then from there... You just see the guy who made the real going, oh, fuck it. Yeah, exactly. He said enough with it. Exactly.

We only want you to audition. That's it. But then just got my agent and the second audition was that show that I was telling you about that Nickelodeon show. And what did you just bailed and you went to L.A.? Between season one and season two and the Nickelodeon show, I went back to New York and I did in the Heights on Broadway for about six months. Oh, wow. And that. That's a good gig.

Yeah, yeah. I loved it. The fact that, you know, it was really. it was really, I'm not very good at sports, but I would imagine that it was like a football play or a play, you know, that a team does. Oh yeah, right? You know about it. Okay. That, you know, that a team does like,

you go here, you go here. And if you met, if you, you know, you have to remember the audience is watching this for the first time. Right. Right. So, so you can kind of maybe kind of market a little bit with your dancing a little bit if you're tired that day. But it's, it's still the first time the audience is watching it. So what they're watching, that feels like it's free is actually very technical, right? And when it comes to the choreography and the singing,

and when you enter and when you exit and that kind of. And that was one of those things that I was really shocked. And also just it's a different way of working. But yeah, two weeks of rehearsal, two weeks and one night you're on. And all I did was my version of Robin DeHsouz, who was Justin Tick-Tick-Bomb as Andrew Garfield's like Best Friend. who had AIDS and stuff. He was the OG of that character.

He was nominated for Tony for it, and I was his first replacement. And he was just so gracious with his time. I was just following him every day. And then the first two months was, all, let me just do Robin Nehusseus for a little bit, just to get it. And then you kind of find who you are

and then and do your own spend. Like you said before, you're going to school. And you're like, you're learning this. Dude, what a career you had. Yeah, yeah. And then Tommy Kale directed. Tommy Kale directed that, and then he directed me again in Greece Live.

on Fox, which was, which was great. That I was wondering about, because I've done musicals before I hate to brag, you know, in high school, in Nebraska. Crushing it.

But to have to do that live and not, you know, and keep going. Like, I remember missing lots of cues. Right. On something like that, but here you are live television.

Yeah. Did you, did you flub anything in that? There was a time, I didn't particularly flub, but there was a time that, you know, this was the first of its,

kind for for for on screen musicals live musicals on a televised because we had the audience involved and we showed the back lot the Warner Brothers back lot you know to say that you know we're in this trying to make you know come join our facade and come join our sort of gray looking glass here in a froggy glass here because we are just actors entertaining and and and but there was this one time where there is, and it happened live, where people were driving the golf cart at the end, and they just hit a big, big bomb, and the golf cart went, and we come to get, you know, that kind of thing. And then we're like, is everyone okay? Okay, continue on. But then, you know, I think the way that, the reason why a lot of us weren't really nervous is because when we were really

nervous was week one of run-throughs because they said, we don't care if you're off book. We don't care if you haven't rehearsed anything. We're doing a run-through from beginning to end. And it got to a point where we were just like kind of like improvising at that when we're improvising blocking, improvising choreography. And I know I wasn't doing well in my music. So I was improvising my my notes and all that stuff, hoping that I was getting it right. But that sort of structure that they put together.

made us feel like when it was televised, it was just another run through. And when you're in that mentality, you're, you really just are having fun at that point. And then the audience, you know, the audience being added,

that was kind of crazy. You know, when you're walking, when you're walking off saying, you have like an audience member, pat you on the back and you, you know, that kind of thing.

Like, do not do that right now, you know, we're really focused. But, but, You know, it was a big, it was a real big setup of going, by the time that we are doing this televised, you should feel like we're doing another run through as opposed to come. Okay, here we come. And this is what we're presenting.

No, we were just in a, just doing another run through. And it was just so strange that by the time we were done, it was live in the East Coast. And by the time it was done, I went back to the apartment. And in the West Coast, it was playing just what I just did. Oh, really? Oh, wow. Yeah, it was very weird. Yeah.

Very, very strange. So, like, by the time I got home, we were at the, it was the prom part. And I hadn't seen anything. You know, I was like, oh, wow, we just did that. That's crazy. We just did that right there. I remember having anxiety watching it. Totally.

Somebody's going to miss something. This is amazing. Yeah. And, you know, when you kind of start a, I don't know, a trend, people kind of start following, I mean, we see it in film and TV all the time, right? But it got to a point where, like, you know, and I'm not talking, I'm not trying to talk shit, but it was just like when hairspray live came out after that, you know, they really, really try to do an opening that we're on the lot,

but the first song is Good Morning Baltimore, and it's 6 p.m. at night. So is this like Good Morning Baltimore at 4 a.m.? So it's one of those things that when you start a trend, you know, people just, you know, want to follow it. Happens all the time. And sometimes with film, it's a turnoff when you can tell. You know what I mean?

Well, look, that's actually kind of leads me into where, what I wanted to talk to both of you guys about today, And that is like the trend, when you look at a trend, the trend right now, you look at go back in time, I don't know, 10 years ago when the trend was 3D, right? Avatar comes out and everybody's doing 3D. You couldn't go anywhere. Like we were getting screenings. Ellis and I would get screenings. And it's like, this isn't 3D.

This isn't 3D. And it's like Avatar worked because it was meant for 3D. There were certain movies. I think like Dread did it really well for 3D. There are a few other movies that did it pretty well for 3D. But for the most part, it was just hammering it down. There's always. And then remakes started to become a big trend.

And now it's it, but I like this current trend that we're in right now and that's like that's nostalgia kind of. Reunions. Sequels, but like look at Top Gun, you know, whether it's Cobra Kai inside of streaming. You have, they're talking about dirty dancing is one of those ones that that's, they're doing a sequel, baby comes back into the, where with that club. Did you hear about this? No. Jennifer Grace coming back. Coming back.

See that's what I'm saying. People get, because if it's done right, I mean, you can do it in a way where it's, It's, every time I bring this subject of, I bring up, I had a, I had Mark Bernardin on the show who, you know, hosts the show with Kevin Smith. And he said it brilliantly. And he said that nostalgia is not a bad thing when it's sprinkled in. And the story kind of takes care of its own. It's when it has to, when it just relies on it overall. And I think top, did you see Topkin Maverick yet?

Not yet. Dude. I know. I know. It's so, it's really, it's something special because of that. Because of the fact that they, when you hear it, you're like, all right, well, they're just doing a time. Top Gun sequel. Who the hell asked for a Top Gun sequel? And then when you see it and you see the emotion,

you see the performances that are put behind it and the care and just how much is really going into it, it's something special. And that's why, what do you feel about these trends right now about the, you know, the nostalgia and the continuing on of these legacy movies? Well, audiences aren't dumb.

That's what commerce, the commerce side, the commerce side of the industry continues to forget. Right. Right. That, that, they'll take any, Anything we give him. No, we won't.

And we're very passionate about that, right? When it comes to this current trend, you know, what I respect about people who do it right, like Tom Cruise in Top Gun Maverick, is that there is a respect of the restraint of the doing of it. He's not going to do it without Jerry Bruchheimer. So therefore, he ain't going to force it. So until Jerry Bruchheimer and him are available. to do it. Doesn't matter how much time it takes. I get that sense from him,

you know, kind of like waiting until it's done right. And that's, and that sort of restraint kind of really helps the project, you know, moving forward. And then it kind of goes back to Tommy Kale of what he told us at Greece.

We're not doing Greece. We're doing our Greece. Right. And when you have, what you were saying about letting the story continue to go and having the sprinkle of nostalgia there, the story, comes first, right?

Then the sort of label of the IP comes second. Yeah. You know, it reminds me a stand-up comedy, too, right? Like when you get up on stage, like, you know, if, if, if, when Chris Rock hits the stage of the comedy story, he shows up, they're going to give him a big round of applause right off the bat. But he's got to be, he's still got to have new material. He's still got to have stuff to keep them, you know, for, for an hour because you want

them, I mean, that's, that's just how it goes. It's the same thing with nostalgia. If you come out there and it's like, okay, look, you got me on board because I loved the first version, but like how are you going to keep me interested? And that's what I think, a lot of these things, that's why I think this trend is working so well

because, I mean, even look at like Spider-Man No Way Home, a movie that lived on, on its own throughout the MCU, but really relied also on the interest of Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield. So, I mean, and I played great. I mean, look at who the hell knows what's going to happen with the Flash now,

but like, but they're looking to try to do something with, uh, with Michael Keaton. coming back, right? He's at least going to be in Bat Girl, whatever the hell happens with the flesh. But he comes back and it's playing off that type of stuff, as you said, but it's, you can, you bring them in with that hook, but how do you keep them? Yeah, and I think that when you have directors who are fans first, yeah, yeah, yeah, but know what they're doing, you know,

the Top Gun Maverick director who did Oblivion and, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's the man for the job. Right, he's the man for the job. And then, he's got a good relationship of a cruise as well. Right, right. And then, and then the, the, the, director, the It director of Machete. Oh, yeah, right, right, right. He's the man for the job. He's a fan. You know that he's a fan.

You know that what he cares about, he doesn't have to, it's like James Gunn, too, right? Right. Where he, you know you're going to watch a film by James Gunn for the people because he is the people. He, he really, I'm telling you, he really is. He would come on set in Belko and he would come up to me and he goes, can you believe this is happening?

I'm like, bitch, can you believe this? Like, like, you can still believe, or you can still not believe that this is happening. I really can't believe this is happening. You know what I mean? But he's still got this wonderment of he's still having fun. He still can't believe that. And when I direct movies, I always tell, you know,

or direct anything, I always tell the, you know, cast and the crew, let's not forget our 14-year-old selves who just loved doing this. And I think that these directors of these reboots and reunions in this new trend, you know, what producers and executives really, really need to concentrate on is,

is this person as obsessed with the I, was at the IP than my son or my kid or whatever that kid? And if it is, that's usually the person for the job. You know, with me, with comic books and stuff, I'm not much of a comic book reader, but I guess I,

if I had an interview, I could really convince that I freaking love it. However, it would be, it would be very challenging for me. I'm more of a, can we, I'm more of a, I'm more passionate about putting shows, I'm sorry, classic movies back on the stage,

that kind of thing I'm really into. Like, you know, network, Brian Cranston doing network on stage. Like, I wanted, that's, that's kind of the stuff that I feel like. What are you watching right now? What shows are you watching right now? Well, I'm introducing Katie, my wife, to Lost. So we're kind of going back. We're kind of going back.

And, you know, the way that I watch things, I have this very OCD. I got lists like crazy in my notes section. because being a Sinophile, as you guys know, watching a movie you've never seen before is just like watching a new movie. For me, right?

So I'm kind of like, get the popcorn. We're going to watch Wag the Dog for the first time. I'm in. You know what I mean? I do that with my 10-year-old all the time. Like, we just watch Ghostbusters for us and I think of the other. Exactly, exactly.

And so it's, so for me, it's like watching a new movie. However, there's a lot of streamers. There's a lot of things that, you know, like, but there are also treasures and, like, crackle. in the back row of crackle over there. And there's, you know, and in Amazon too. And so, you know, I kind of have this particular way.

So I'm not always watching new movies. You know, I get even shows. Are you watching any shows right now? Or you just lost. And real housewives. And I'm a real housewives guy. So the nostalgia thing works for you because you like, you like to play back into that stuff. Oh, yeah.

It's funny because the show that I'm, that I've gotten hooked on and not just, I mean, stranger things obviously. But the show that. I really have gotten hooked on that I didn't even expect myself to. And the only reason I watch is because I'm such a fan of the Godfather is the offer. Yeah. Have you watched any of that yet? I haven't, I haven't seen any of that yet.

And I heard it was great. It's so good. It's so funny. This is the, this is one where the audience and the critics are so far apart because I didn't look at anything that the critics said whatsoever. And I'm a fan of, obviously, of Dan Fogler and Miles Teller and everybody who's in Juno Temple, who everyone was involved in this show.

And obviously just the idea of the making of the Godfather. I thought when I heard about it at first, I thought it was a documentary. And then from what I heard is that it wasn't, it was, I know you hear all these actors in it. I'm like, okay, let me check it out. And I was, we're skimming with my wife. And I go, what about this offer thing?

You want to check this out? Let's just check it out. We're just obsessed with it. And the audience loves it. My manager, my manager swears by it. You know, the thing that I always get nervous. You know, the thing I get nervous about, but I also want people to understand is that it's hard to have audiences care

about stories about the movie. Yeah. Unless, unless you're doing waiting for Guffman, right? Right. Where you're really seeing, you know, people in a small town thinking that they're bigger than they are. It's great to make fun of and great to immerse yourself in it. But what people tend to forget is that if you're doing a project just like the offer, Don Corleone is part of our language. Yes, exactly. Right? It's not even just part of fandom. He's part of our language, you know? And also it's kind of like, It's kind of like Sinatra. He's not a man.

He's a lifestyle. Yeah. So is the godfather. Yeah. Right? The godfather is such a lifestyle for a lot of people that even kids in college here in 2022 would just, you know, they have the Tony Soprano having lunch with Tony Montana and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, you know,

there's a lot of risk that comes to, you know, to, to, what if we didn't have the God father. And that's important to a lot of people. And when it comes to movies like that, that's really interesting. Yeah, I'm telling you, as a movie guy, that's one to check out because of exactly what you just said, to me it was more so. I didn't know the struggles of what it was. And you got to also remember, this is 1972 or whatever it was where they were trying, like, there is no Star Wars or Jaws or any of the big block. The blockbuster was Rosemary's baby. You know what I mean? Like those were the big, the big movies back then. Chinatown hadn't even been greenlit at this point. So like, you have, you see Bob Evans going through this whole thing

and how, and Matthew, good playing Bob Evans. Dude, it's, I'm telling you, I would love to get your take on it. Yeah. I think it's up your alley. Yeah, yeah. I'll definitely jump into that. I'm, I'm looking forward to that. And again, you know, miniseries, what a format that people just love now. And I'm glad to see it, you know? I mean, Angels in America was a huge, huge, huge, huge And, you know, just the standard of miniseries. And now you got A-Lister's left, right, and center, just wanting to come in and do miniseries. Beauty of streaming.

And I want to talk to Dave a little bit more about streaming and everything else, too. And, of course, you know, with Maggie coming out on Hulu with streaming, there's a lot to talk about. But before we do it, I also wanted to tell you guys, once again, it's all about story blocks. You talk about directing. You talk about all these things that we've been mentioning as far as video. I can't even tell you how many people,

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How can I help the show? find a sponsor that you like and I would definitely recommend story blocks and go on in there and get yourself one of those plans and let me know always write and let me know exactly what what you thought um I put that on my notes section story blocks I mean that sounds great I mean especially in a time where we are right now where you are you know a lot of people are the one man band yes right and it's exactly it's exactly yeah yeah and I'll have story of blocks of Venmo me later but I think that but uh But I think, you know, it really is at a time.

And, you know, it's funny, if I may say that, you know, this whole thing with Instagram and social media trying to keep up with things, right? Yeah. You know, I always watch like the reels and I always watch like, you know, the TikToks and stuff like that. And sometimes I'm a hater. And I'll tell you why, because I'm jealous. And I'm like, that person's paying for their kids college. And I'm just sitting here watching it. And that took three seconds, you know.

Yeah. But, but I always tell. a lot of the students, sometimes I teach and sometimes I go back to my alma mater and direct 40 demo reels for the students, but what I always tell them is, I also don't envy the work that they have to put in. Right.

Right. I like to stay and kind of write, talk to producers, bit by bit putting the block together. This one's like go, go, go. And imagine, I mean, I would hate to kind of just be at a dinner table and go, guys just hold on for one second. Yeah.

You know, and that's my job. It is. That's one of those things that that takes another strengths and it seems like story blocks will just give that all to you. It's great. Definitely if you're a one man band. It does for sure. Can we eat dad without taking a picture of it once? Which is one time. But even this

and not even the social, the Instagram influencers and TikTok like what I do. Like my wife is just like can you just shut it down? And I'm like, I'd like to try. I mean, I'd like to try. But the problem is that, you know, you always got to kind of be on top of it because it's like one after the next

if you don't catch like the way that our business works is you gotta get like if I go and see something I got to put because I've got only at the moment here we're close to 50,000 whatever subscribers I've got to get mine out first because if a bigger channel comes out the algorithm is going to favor that

that video first and you get buried that's just how it works and you got to be you just got to be on the go and it's no different from what you do you got to be on the go you got to be ready you got to be ahead of the next person who's going to be in that room you've got to do something in that room in that audition room that is different from the person who came from behind you.

It's, this is the, this is business. It is the business. And, and it's one of those things that you have to put a definition on social media.

I take social media pretty seriously, only because that there was a time in my life, and sometimes I still mess up in that way, where my thumb somehow directly goes to Instagram. You know what I mean? Like every time I pick up my phone, that I need to make a call or I need to send a text.

Before that, though, let me see what, what's going on? It's crazy. I'm just like, shut up, you know. And then it got to a point where it just got ridiculous. And I said, okay, what is the definition of my social media? I got to figure out what the definition of my social media is because, number one, I can care less what people think.

And I really got to figure out a way to reflect that that it's not affecting my life. There's a lot of friends that I have and a lot of people that I know that social media literally is life. Yeah. But isn't that hard, David, though, too, not caring what people think, though, especially in your line of work? Like, don't you have, like, yeah, because when you're, you're, Especially when you, as an actor, like you've got to care what people think in a certain aspect. Maybe not. Maybe not.

No, no, you do. You do. But when I like to keep things simple. Yeah. Because already in my life, I keep things complicated in my own life. So if I feel like social media is work, which it is, I know how to, I know how to figure out a way to kind of recharge that brain and figure out a way of what that is. I mean, it starts off with not caring about the likes. And then it goes into not caring about the thing.

However, the definition of my social media is still being engaged. Yeah. And give what you want to give. Right. Right. And without an expectation in return. Because when you have that expectation, obviously you're bound. And it's, and it's, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

You know, social media sometimes can be a very dangerous scene. We see stories like that all the time. And even in my own life where it was kind of like, okay, this is getting way too important, way, way, way too important that I need to figure out a definition. For example, like, I have no shame in my game, but in my Instagram, I am still in Cabo. And in the next week, you're going to see posts of me in Cabo, because the definition of my social media is, I'm going to show you what my life is. I don't have to show you instantly.

right now. Right. Right. Right. Because then also I'm not in my life even then. If I'm taking a picture, I know I can put my phone away because I know that's not going to come out for a few months.

You know what I mean? So it's one of those things. And, you know, and I also love when people, uh, I run into people and they're like, dude,

good to see you. Aren't you in? Right, right. I'm like, no, people, people think I'm very good at the gramming.

The Insta part. Yeah. I'm okay. Yeah. See, I, it's, it's funny because like,

I realize, like for YouTube, that's just where Mark Ellis and I have kind of made our thing. Yes. Right. So, it's Instagram, I'm like, I'm going to keep up on Instagram. I think I have the same picture of my dog for my two weeks that I haven't done anything with. TikTok. Everyone's like, you got to do TikTok. And I know.

And I get it. I get it. Eventually I think I'll get there. Probably not. But I've, we've, my daughter over the weekend, because I don't want my daughter. She's 10. I don't want them on social media. That's important.

That's important. And it's like we don't, we don't, she'll have a phone eventually. I wanted to just be a kid, right? But my wife and I were like, she wants a YouTube channel. She wants these things like, well, what if we kind of met her in the middle? And we created one for my dog, right? And so now the dog has an Instagram account, and the dog is going to have a TikTok and a YouTube account.

But the poor dog has sunglasses on him. He's sliding down a slide into a waterfall. I mean, it's just like, he's like, dude, I just want to chew on my bum. Right, right. Well done, though. Well done. I mean, again, you find the definition for it. You can figure out a way how to go through it.

And again, it's like people can know or not know why I'm doing my social media the way that I do my social media. And at the same time, you, but you, but the point of you following me is you do want to get to know me a little bit. Right. Who cares what it is. Who cares what it is. So I am kind of showing you who I am, just maybe not always the way you want me to. Exactly. But that's great.

But nobody taught you that there's a lack of education for these things. Like there should be in school now, some close. or something that navigating the social media world or within actors. And, you know, like, it's something that actors, but De Niro wasn't like, hmm, what am I tweeting today? It's true. That's a good De Niro, right? Yeah, it really is. He really is.

Hey, what am I tweet today? De Niro, De Niro doing Joe Pesci, I've never seen anything like that. I've never seen anything like that. That is great. Double-layered, double-layered impression there. Wait, should I turn to the side? Take that picture again. Right.

You know, but yeah, I think. and, you know, I think I also think not to be all, you know, political in this way, but there's so much more that the education system can teach us in terms of getting ready for. Like, I didn't know anything about credit cards. Oh, yeah. I didn't know about leasing a car. I didn't know what a good price of that was. And we just completely, completely forgot.

And then acting is a, acting is a crazy industry because what I always tell the students is why, why add acting in your life on top of acting as a character? That just sounds so stressful, right? And putting the acting on top, which means is you caring about what the other person is saying about you. And then trying to get to that point of trying to please the casting director when you're going into the casting room saying, gosh, I hope I get it.

And the casting director has got, she or he's got a deadline to what their job. job is, is to show the cattle of choices to the director. Right. Be one of those choices. And the cast and yours is going, I hope this is one. I hope this is one a lot more than you're doing that. When you have an understanding of that, then you can kind of go in audition and then you can

kind of go into this industry in a way that I've jumped in this industry, that it's fun. That we never forget that it's fun. And yes, there is a big responsibility for doing a movie like Robert Zemeckis, Pinocchio. there's huge, huge responsibility, and they take that seriously. That's why they get paid the big bucks. They take that seriously. But if you lose the magic within yourself, then no one's going to get on that road with you. And again, acting schools, that's another thing that I kind of want to just nail in

because I think sometimes acting teachers act. Like they really get to the point of this is how it's not in the industry and this is how it is in the industry. I learned everything from being in the industry. I learned everything from getting so many knows. Collect that data of nose. Collect it. And then again. I mean, my external, my seven external hard drives are full of that data.

I have letters of nose. That's how old I have my tears soaking them. Exactly, right? So once you kind of have an understanding of that, you know, and again, another thing I always say, easier send than done, right? Easier send than done. I'm definitely right after this, you know,

podcast when I go to an audition, I'm sure I'm going to go do everything that I tell my students not to do. But that's just the name of the game. Yeah. It's great the way that you talk about navigating all these other elements of it and not just the acting part

because that is such a big thing. And again, yeah, De Niro didn't have to tweet things and do Instagram and stuff like that. And it sounds like you're taking care of yourself within that crazy world, which you should teach a class to people on that, I think. Well, you have to.

You have to because then you... No, you personally. I think this should be in a class. You sound like someone that has a grasp on this and could tell their students. Maybe add this is one of the part of the... You're going to take it? You know that alternate timeline thing you're talking about?

If I could just close my... Slip into his path and then do that instead of my path, I think I would have done quite well. Yeah, you know, it's a balance of kind of... It's a... balance of knowing that the industry that you are in is an industry, and it's hard to, it's hard to feel that way when you're giving your heart and soul to it, you know? And what I try to convey to aspiring students is, or aspiring actors is, it really is a gift

for every know that you get. It doesn't feel that way, but when a bowling ball falls in your foot, you say, ouch, right? But, but that's just really the name of the game. And here's the other thing. There's a lot of it's we're in an industry where we see results quickly. We really see as an overnight success. We see it literally as overnight. Yeah.

Right. And you see like, oh my gosh, Tom Holland. Well, Tom Holland won a Tony for, you know, being Billy Elliott. And he knows how to be, you know, he knows how or an Olivier Award. He's, he is a dancer. He is the kid from the impossible. He's the kid from the heart of the sea, right? and we continue to kind of forget

of all the work that's being put in. And again, cut to me at a party like three years ago and someone says, yeah, you were right in that movie. I'd go really in the stall and cry.

My heart's not. You know what I mean? And now it's kind of like, all right, well, you didn't like the product. Well, that's fine.

That's fine. You didn't like the product? Maybe I didn't even like the product either. But, you know, it's a job, you know, and the goal really is to keep working. Yeah.

That really is the goal. Well, good. And it's working for you because once again, so for everybody, you got the show coming up on July 6th. It is Maggie and it's David Del Rio. And it's all about being comfortable. It's all about being comfortable and everything you do. And it's all about you talk about comfortability, guys, talk about Rumpel.

I told you about it. And this is one when they told me they were coming on. Oh, I got excited because I go to my kid's soccer game all the time. and I never have anything to sit on. And they have these blankets. Have you tried these yet, Brett? I will. You should.

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So we got some, as you said, you're watching Lost, but do you get it to, because you're a big centiphy, a big movie guy. And hearing how busy we were kind of coming up from all the stuff you were doing in theater, I always wondered by this. I just, did you watch the doc on Val Kilmer, Val? No, I haven't yet, but I heard it was amazing. As an actor, that's one definitely check out because I'm always so curious because even with me, how busy I get sometimes that it's when I was working at Warner Brothers, I was working for. As well, what were you doing?

I was, I worked in development for Joe Silver's. Wow. And Joe Silver. And when I was there, I remember being there saying, oh, I'm getting into the movie business. And I could hardly ever watch movies because I was so damn busy. And I feel like, you know, listening to you, all the stuff that you had to do for like for theater or anything. when they help you have the chance to even watch movies? Oh, man.

Right? You know, I forced time to do it. You know, it sounds so, you know, cliche, but it really is a class. It really is a class. And again, I also watch movies with a rating of 5.5 and lower on I&D sometimes as well, just so I can learn a lot of things. But, you know, I mean, I wake up at 5 a.m. every day. So sometimes I do that just so I can get that.

get the movie out of the way because I know the rest of the day is going to be. What movie do you think you've seen more than any movie? What's the one? I would say any of the Nolan Batman films. And then my favorite movie of all time is Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. I just think that when you have a cast like that, right, just, I mean, and you also get a sense that there's no ham going on. You know, there's no trying to out, outdo, you know, and it really is,

It really is a powerful piece of filmmaking. And yeah, but Gary Glenn Ross is the one that I kind of always go back to, no matter what film I get. Because the thing is, is that, you know, Jack Lemon gives you 900 things in a moment.

You know, and then, and so does the rest of the cast and, you know, Jonathan Price, you know, in that part where he got messed, you know, messed up by Al Pacino because they,

they deposited his check already, you know? there's just so many different things you can find in Glyn Garry Glen Ross that I just take that little nugget and just yeah and so Where'd you learn your trade? Yeah, yeah. I'll finish the whole thing.

Right, right, yeah. And that's the other thing too. Like, you know, just to have a career like, I know, I go everywhere. I go, my mind goes everywhere when I'm talking about film. But like, you know, do you imagine being Bobby Connovali? Oh, yeah. And in on stage, Glenn Gary Glenn Ross playing Ricky Roma. Yeah.

when Al Pacino's playing the Jack Lemon part on stage. I mean, that is why. I want to give props to his son, by the way, because... Kandaboli son? Yes, because his son was in Mandalorian, and I couldn't stand him in that show. I thought he was not good. Wow. He's in the offer, and he's great in the show.

Great. And I was definitely tough on him in the Mandalorian because he's just, we kind of made this whole thing. He's like, hey, Mando. And he just seems so out of place. It seems right in place. his show. That's great. That's great.

Jake Carnivali, and he's really great in this show. But it's funny, because you mentioned Bobby, who's been in so many different things now, but I didn't realize that he was even on that stage production. The other thing about watching the film in our industry is that, yeah, it is a class, but sometimes you,

I mean, kind of like sucks to say. I'm like, hey, I can't make it tonight. I have two movies to watch about Vietnam. And not even about Vietnam, but I have two movies to watch. That is set in Vietnam because I'm doing.

research for a role. You know, that, that's, that's your nine to five. Right. You know what I mean? And, and, and, and when you're kind of, kind of willing to put in that sort of work and kind of look at it from a separate, uh, goggles, you're not watching a movie. Yeah. You know what I mean?

You're, you're really just going beat by beat and watching how things. I remember when I was, uh, doing, um, uh, just a, a guest star in the good doctor. And, uh, it was two weeks quarantine, November 2020. Yeah. And, and, and we flew to Vancouver. And, uh, it was two week. quarantine and I played a vet that was suffering from PTSD. What the hell I did in that quarantine, but really just watch the godfather to five bloods, you know,

really wanted to get into the PTSD of it and, you know, finding the thing that De Niro does, which is something going on with his eye every time in the deer hunter when he's having his only moment of PTSD. I'm like, can I take that? that's not copyright right that movie that's not copyright okay great if it gets you whatever and it's funny because there's something like that it's not like it's it's so weird when you get into the semantics of it like with because when you take something like that and make it your own to make it the fit for the character people are completely understanding and get that right and then their side of it like with stand-up comedy that not taking a certain premise and

going there but if you're taking a joke it's like taboo you're go to jail comedy jail um like i was just watching this whole thing where Carlos Mncy was on Bobby Lee. Did you ever see, like, obviously the whole thing would happen to him and Rogan. Right. But, but I guess Bobby Lee had him on the show and had like more of a conversation with and how much of that, like, I wasn't buying his excuse of what he was doing, but it's just, this is not what you're talking about, obviously, but I can just see how it's weird how we go,

okay, wait, you can take, in movies. Look at Star Wars. Star Wars took from 12 different movies. That's right. And it's, but it's like, oh, but it made it its own. Well, I just saw the Northman yesterday. Northman. Did you like it? Yeah, I did.

I did. I did. I did. I think, you know, it was Mr. Eggers' is, you know, foray in bigger movies. Yeah. You know what I mean? And yet still putting his lore, you know, spin to it. What did you see inside of that, like Braveheart or something?

Hamlet. Hamlet. But, you know, but that story was another version of Hamlet. Yeah. Like that was a Hamlet story. Didn't that come first though? I think so. did, right? Before, before Hamlet, yeah.

And Robert Eggers is an avid, avid Shakespearean, a studier because both his, I think both his parents were Shakespeare teachers or Shakespeare actors and stuff like that. So he was kind of like around all that time. But, you know, when you watch a story, again, everyone has done the story. Yeah. There's not going to be an original, you know what I mean? Unless you're, I mean, like, for example, Avatar, right? I was just like, I've seen Pocahontas already.

Not to shit, you know what I mean? For, exactly. I'm like, we've seen it, you know. But it's funny, that's my, that's my counter argument, though. It's funny because a lot of people, and you hear that all the time. We're like, well, I've seen it already too. I'm like, yeah, but you've seen so many different movies that just like, it's like, because that movies also dances with wolves, right?

I mean, there's so many different things inside of it, but the question is, I just watched that movie again with my daughter who had never seen it before. And she, she knew from what, because she's smart kid, she's watching, oh, I know exactly what's going to happen here because this is basically the Native American. So what they're, what they've done. she's watching. So she's like, as she's watched, that's a story that's not necessarily,

it's history. So she's watching that, knowing that, that to me, I mean, even again, using Star Wars. George Lucas used so many parts of history

that have been told over again. It's just a matter of how you do it. And like, I throw everything back into Star Wars, but you look at like Force Awakens to me is more so that is more just of a retelling of a movie that was made already and not the same things that have kind of like inspired Star Wars in the first place.

So there is a difference. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, the, I mean, first of all, if I can just say that, that way of water, that looks so good. Which one is that one is that? The Avatar 2. Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's real water, right? I mean, that's the point, right? He shot a majority of it underwater. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't wait for that one. And that's one of the few movies I'm actually excited to see in 3D. Same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same, same, same.

It worked. It worked. It was meant for 3D. It wasn't just thrown in afterwards like a lot of people. And actually, to that point, that's another thing that I really respect about Tom Cruise and the Top Gun Maverick, chapter, you know, the idea of one beginning the other in terms of the business of cinema. Yeah. Right.

I mean, it's not like he did it to save cinema, right? But there really is a nice poetry to the idea that, you know, one man can really put together an industry and try to figure out to put the industry kind of back together when it comes to ticket sales and saving. cinnamon, all that stuff. I just love the poetry behind that. I really, really do. And even though he doesn't do it purposely,

although, you know, when you see or hear about his work ethic, it's just like, oh, another, he's not the kind of guy you knock on the door going like, you want to hang out,

you know, I have a line. I got a line for you. Can you do like one of your laughs? You know what I mean? But, but, you know, his mentality is,

is extraterrestrial. And, and it's, there is, poetry and seeing the receipts for someone so passionate to kind of get to kind of because all he does care about is entertainment yeah you know he really is no half-assin with that he's not he's he is a movie star i mean he's did you see the video where he's like listen when you're watching a film at home make sure your settings are oh that's right because you know the blurred motion i need to

watch yeah oh it's it's great he really does care he really does care about cinema and i and uh yeah yeah yeah well look dude it was a pleasure to have you And we finally did it. We finally did it. We had you. Thank you. And for everybody once again, make sure you're checking out Maggie.

And it is July 6th on Hulu and is the great David Del Rio who is finally in studio with us. And we're going to have him back in next time. And after the show's a massive hit, we're going to have you back. Awesome. Thank you so much. Brett, good to see you again. Yeah. I guess I'll see you next week.

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