The Kristian Harloff Show - TYSON VS PAUL DEBACLE: Was it staged and should Netflix stop going live?

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

The highly anticipated Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul fight finally happened, and, well… it was exactly as chaotic as you'd expect. From questionable punches to downright bizarre antics, fans are asking: Was it all staged? And what was going on with Netflix's live stream? Should the streaming giant even be dabbling in live events like this? Let's break it all down, including the full fight recap, the bizarre moments, and Netflix's role in the drama. But that's not all— Box Office results (hint: Gladiator 2 is on fire, but Red One is flopping), and everything else you need to know this week. It's all going down live with Kristian Harloff and John Rocha on The Kristian Harloff show. Don't miss this wild breakdown of combat sports, streaming flops, and Hollywood updates! #tyson #paul #fight #fix #ufc #results #boxing #gladiator2 #dc #dcu  OUR SPONSORS: THE PERFECT JEAN: F*%k your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code BIGTHING15 at http://www.theperfectjean.nyc/BIGTHING15  #theperfectjeanpod  AG1: So make sure to check out DrinkAG1.com/BIGTHING to see what gift you can get this week! That's http://www.DrinkAG1.com/BIGTHING to start your holiday season off on a healthier note, while supplies last. JOYMODE:  If you are looking to take your game to the next level, visit http://www.TRYJOYMODE.COM and use code BIGHTHING at checkout for 20 percent off. That's T-R-Y-J-O-Y-M-O-D-E.com and use code BIGTHING  for 20 percent off your first order.

That's right Friday night. Biggest fight ever. And man, did it deliver. Delivered everything we hoped it would be. And then some. That is about as much of a lie as you're going to get out of me today. Not only was it an absolute circus of a fight. Definitely was, you can say staged.

You can say, I don't know about fixed. Staged is the right word. we'll discover how much of a joke it was and the laugh is really on us because we didn't pay for it and i mean unless you just signed it for netflix that day to watch it and by the way netflix man i got confidence with them streaming NFL games and uh and wrestling right in the middle of a touchdown and that it's this is netflix right it's not like me and roca trying to stream something anyway we have that we have um what else He was almost 60.

I expect him to throw combinations like he didn't train him. That's a problem. We'll get into it. We got some stuff with James Gunn. We've got some stuff with the box office. Gladiator 2 hasn't opened in North America, but it has overseas and doing pretty well. And Red 1 didn't bomb as bad as people thought,

but it didn't do good. So we'll discuss that and more. It is Christian Harleaf shows myself. It is John Roka. Let's get into it, everybody. Here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Monday show. Happy to have you with us.

I'll be had a wonderful, wonderful weekend. Joining me on the show is John Roker. What's up, John? Steph did it again, dude. Steph did it again. She beat you on Friday. You had one. It was.

Oh, wait, you know, Mike was on kind of. I forgot. Yeah, I forgot. No, no, it did not. Not true. Look. Rox. Yeah. Nope. Yeah. No. No. No. You sound like my daughter trying to negotiate why she didn't have to do the dishes. Yeah. But no, Roxy has to is by yourself. Yeah. So, I don't know. No, no sound from you this time. Oh, that's great. No sound from you. I, John, I'm going to, I'm, I'm close to quitting. I'm close to quitting doing the live show because, well, hold on. You should be working here in a second. Hold on.

you'll be in a second hold on nah it's not that it's you should be you should be good now you should okay all right yeah um you should be good now so hopefully or is everybody can hear him now yeah but i'm getting i'm getting i'm hearing myself back okay cool that's it there we go okay so hopefully that's good now so now you're good um i'm just i just once this roadcaster went down it is really it has hurt the show so badly it's hurt it so badly and there's nothing i can do about i put it on the amazon uh wishless but what are you going to do it's freaking it's expensive piece of equipment i can't do it is it's like

six hundred dollars more than that and i can't do anything about it right now and i can't so it is what it is it's just and i have and i'm trying to do what i can do so we are we are live in rocca so that was good though actually so i think that everybody agree with your point of what you said i agree yeah i could hear it no which is nobody except me exactly um the point those being made is that Steph did it again and Roka said that it's because it was she was it was her and Mike I was like no Steph has done it by herself and Roxy's by herself so there's no there's no excuse though you've done very well on Monday I'm not as pretty or charming as either of them so that's true I feel like it should be judged on a curve that's what I well I'm going to say that that's true

you know yeah yeah I mean they're they're they're smart they're charming and I'm sure you know and and the guys who listen to us find them pleasing to look at. I am not that way. So, you know. I'm glad that you can admit that. I'm a hush of a human. I know that. Did you see wicked? I did not go see wicked last night. I wasn't feeling well. Linley came back from her trip, her nine-day trip, sick. And I think she got me a little bit over the weekend. So I was not feeling well yesterday. So I didn't. But I'm going to go tonight because I got Nospheratu tonight. And there's a special 1015 screening. So I'm going to go to both of those tonight. Good Lord. That's a lot.

Yeah, my dedication to the craft. You're gonna like Nosephratu, Nostratu is good. Did you like, did you see it? I didn't see it. Yeah, no, not Wicked. I didn't see Wicked yet. So I told this, so we did an exclusive live stream for our patrons and our members at 11 o'clock today. And the way that works is that we have people at a certain amount of tier can actually join in and be on the video with me.

So we had our two loyal members, both first Nate rate, first Nate, first rate, first rate, first rate, and Wicked Art. And we did and they were on and there were people in the chat room, but we were talking about these things. And I went and I took my little one yesterday who is seven. I took her to Disney on ice. Oh, nice. Right. She had a fun time.

But we, but my screening for Wiki was in the city at three and this thing started at 11. So I didn't get back in time to go and I wanted to spend time with her. And it was, it was priority for me, right? So Wicked, I might be seeing it on Wednesday. There's a chance I'm seeing it on Wednesday. Oh, for the early screening. Gotcha. Yeah, for an early screen.

It's a chance that I'm going to see. at this Wednesday I'll if but I mean from all the out of the theater reactions people are digging it I've heard no negativity overall I mean Josh is the only one that I heard it was a little bit kind of like oh um no sorry not Josh Drew Drew Taylor is the only one I heard he said like it was a little bit over long some of the stuff was a little overdone but overall he still enjoyed yeah yeah so there's no nothing really negative so far it seems like not really surprised surprised really I am you know well we'll see I mean yes I didn't love the trailers do you know yeah yeah so I'm curious about it and it's uh it'll be interesting but that's not I did you

watch June last night I did watch June I my reaction is dropping right after our show is done yeah I thought it was uh what are you asking me my thoughts on it or what do you know I haven't seen it is it I heard I heard like it's okay that you can feel dene not involved yes 100 percent it moves too fast they don't do enough to like flesh out the relationships of the characters right off the bat so you're invested you know if they were bringing characters from what we'd seen in the films that'd be different and i know the bennigezer that's essentially an order you've seen the beginning of the order but there should have been more time for us to find out like what the whole impetus of this is what's the drive

i mean we get the motivation but we don't know why the motivation what's the whole uh impetus for all of it so it moves a little fast they don't do enough to flesh out the characters but i still liked it. I was intrigued by the prospect of it all. The fact that it's a six episode series, though, makes me feel like the way they started. They're just trying to get a zip to a end. And it won't be as fulfilling as the films are. So we'll see, though, man. I mean, you've got to have a little bit of hope. It is HBO. It is Max. But good start, not a great start. And I was hoping to have a great start, especially coming out of Penguin Christian. It was a bit of a slate. That's the thing, right? Is you coming off a great show like that? And you're hoping for it because

it's doing. So you're like, come on, man. this is this is dune and uh i i want it to be great and i haven't seen it so i can't judge on it and i right and i didn't see um uh cobra kai yet did you watch that one no i'm behind on cobra okay so i i haven't seen that one either this is the we got to watch all the movies now this is the judging i know i know well you know what i started watching i'm sure you have access to it too is the lord of the rings the war of iram um did you watch it yet that's on the list that's fourth on my list right now okay so I have not checked that out just yet um but that I started I started watching it with Vivy last night and then I went to bed but but it would dude it opens up with the

freaking classic Peter Jackson the Howard Shore music oh nice it's like uh da da da da da da da I'm in I'm in the second it's that you feel like you're in that world so and I watched like the first like I guess the first 10 minutes and it was it's pretty damn good so I'm gonna as soon as I finish I'll do like a immediate reaction to it for sure Yeah, so I think that there was that. There's everything, every, and wicked. I did see Red One. Did I tell you that?

No. Tell me. What did you think of it? It's not terrible. It's not, but it's, look, that's put that on the poster. I know, it's not terrible. But that's the first thing you expect. You expect this is, oh my God, how bad is this going to be?

It's not a movie that you go out and see in the theater. It's not a movie that should be spending $225 million on at all. But is it like, oh, my God, that was atrocious? No, it's not atrocious. It's like, it's an enjoyable Christmas action streaming movie. And that's what it is. But there's, there's no reason for it to spend, is spent the kind of money that they did on it.

And I, the rep had wrote me and said, what did you think? And I said, look, there are moments with both, I mean, Dwayne Johnson is doing, he's the Rock's doing the Rock. He does it every movie. He does that in every movie. But I liked his story. I liked what the, he's working with Santa. He doesn't really.

like where humanity is going and he wants to he wants to quit he wants to leave and he gets kind of sucked into this adventure once santa is kidnapped and he's got to try to find to see if he can find the the reason why he wants his little work with humanity you know the humanities can still find their inner kids and then you bring in chris evans who is this kind of like you know the delinquent but a great tracker and all this stuff and he's got its relationship with is kind of a strange relationship with his son and it's that stuff when he actually focus on that stuff that works and I was like this is this is a cute kind of story it's it then they go oh but you know we need to do we need to like spend 50 million

dollars on a scene of the rock running on a cliff and then jumping onto things and it's like that's that's where he lost me you lost me it's got to be an action movie I understand that but I don't think you needed to do it he wanted to shoot it for Imax he wanted to do this big thing and it was unnecessary but it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not it's not more than anything it's a bit of a let down like it's it's watchable but you were hoping for better and like you said it probably should have been it would have gotten a lot more attention had it gone to streaming yeah what is john real quick with from what you're

saying there i think the letdown is the fact that i was expecting it to be a letdown you know what i mean like that that's i think that's what it is is that that the marketing didn't sell it as oh this is going to be fun and then it lets you down you expect it don't the fact that i didn't say oh this is miserable i thought was a win and that's that and that's a letdown you know what I mean like it should be it should be oh this could be a really fun movie and it's not I never I never once went oh my God what time is that I want to leave I knew from the second the movie started exactly what it was to the time that it ended I thought whoever play was playing the crampus that's the that I hear from everybody said crampus is the season yeah yeah not only was he

great in the movie they used practical effects on the on the makeup yeah and it looks great that should have been the movie so christopher i think is the guy's name was great thought he was great um so there's that and then few of the other things are trying to think other things coming up uh i've got a screen to a complete unknown that i'm excited about oh cool that that one i want to see um you'll get you'll get that uh and then what are the other ones that are coming out that i really want to see um i don't know this i'm trying to think what else is coming up i know that i have wicked i know that sonic is is one that i'm curious is one that i'm serious about the Lord of the Rings one I'm like two or three weeks that no one is kind of talking

about that no one's got yeah there's there's nothing there's a few other things coming out I mean it's like the holiday season is oh Moana too oh more two yeah I got one that one I got coming up too are you going to see that one too I haven't gotten an invite for that one but I would definitely go and then night bitch is coming uh that's another one a lot of people looking forward to and Craven like we're not that far dude we're a month away from Craven Craven's great yeah well it was so funny we were a month away from Craven like every other month until they moved it. They kept moving it.

But this weekend was an interesting weekend overall, and it started. It was a big fight weekend because UFC, did you watch any of the UFC? Not the UFC stuff. I watched the knockout, the John Jones did, but I don't pay for UFC, well. Not anymore you used to. Yeah, there were days when I did in the past, sure. Well, they, but so that happened. I was so close.

I almost got a ticket. I almost went. Oh, really? It was in the garden, yeah. Nice. Almost had a chance to go. It just didn't work out. But what did happen on Friday night was this pisshole.

And that was Netflix served the Tyson v. Paul fight to 60 million households. 60 million. It peaked at 65 million concurrent streams during the boxing match between Tyson and Jake Paul last night, according to most valuable promotions, the promoter for the fight. Those streams went out to 60 million households globally. The group said in a press. really shared with the verge via email. That's more than twice the traffic Netflix could see for its Christmas Day NFL stream this year. If everyone who watched, if everyone who watched last year streamed it.

The crush of people trying to watch it seemed to be more than Netflix servers could handle as the social was awash with complaints about the quality of the stream, which many found to be muddy, plagued with buffering and dropped connections. Down Detector recorded more than 100,000 complaints of Netflix streaming issues during the event, according to Bloomberg. That also, just a massive number of... people streaming a single live event at the same time. Disney served 59 million concurrent of a World Cup cricket match drought as Disney Plus. Hot Star Service last year. It's hit

similar numbers a few days earlier and again this year. Netflix CTO Elizabeth Stone told employees that the company dealt with this unprecedented scale by prioritizing keeping the stream stable for the majority of viewers. According to, yeah, the majority of viewers are the CEO sitting in the delivery room. Those are those anybody who didn't get. We don't. We don't don't want to dismiss the poor experience of some members, meaning all of them. And no, we have room improvement, but still consider this event a huge success. Okay. Well, listen, let's start with that.

Huge success, accurate. Yes. Accurate as far as, as far as business-wise. Because here's where you and I can complain about the streaming all day long and it was horrendous. It was terrible. I thought it was my freaking internet the whole time. and I was realizing this, start seeing everybody was complaining about.

Yeah, yeah. That, if Netflix does another live event and nothing else happens, they fix this problem. You know what I mean? Right. There's always going to care anymore. It's like, okay, yeah, it happened on the first time. They're fine.

They don't lose on that, and people are going to still do it, and it was a massive thing for them. Plus, the fact, another reason was a win. If you already had Netflix, you didn't spend any money on it. Yeah. If you spent $59.99 on this thing, and then you see Tyson going like this. Just kidding.

It's like, come on, it's the first and second round. Someone in the chat is like, well, he's 60 years old, what do you expect? I expect them to be able to go one to one and then back off. And it's not because it was like he. And then inside the, he found stuff, there's stuff inside the contract that if it went a certain amount of rounds, you get paid less. So it was a, was it a fixed fight? Was Jake Paul or Tyson took a dive? No, I don't think that is the case.

But it clearly was, hey, Mike, you would. We know you could destroy this guy's head within 30 seconds if you really go after him. So don't do that. And the same thing with Jake Paul. We don't want to see you knock out Mike Tyson. Nobody wants to see you. There's not a person that wants to see that happen. So don't do that.

And he didn't. And he was smart to do that because if we would have done that, he would have been, people will forget about this thing. People would never forget if he bullied or victimized, you know, by knocking out a 60-year-old man and beating the shit out of him. People would be really pissed off. What did you think about this farce?

Well, first of all, this was the day I drove to L.A. to pick up, my lady, and bring her back, and we rushed back home. That's how much I wanted to watch this. I wanted to watch it from 5 p.m. on. We got home, ordered Poli, and then ran right into my room and watched this thing. And I tell you, the fights themselves,

other than that first fight, I thought the two Mexican guys, the Barrios fight was really good. The two ladies, that was amazing bad bad result bad result i don't know if i believe that or not but i i know i i'm on more of the kb side of things especially because his her manager was an absolute a hole getting on the he was a he was a turd stay stay away from the stop stealing i was in the ring fighting not you

you were sitting outside so keep your mouth yeah i agree with you that guy was yeah he was too much but this was such a letdown for a main event wasn't it and i thought Tyson, or I thought Jake Paul had Tyson in the second round. There were a couple of head shots that were just perfectly placed. And you can tell Tyson was stumbling. Even Roy Jones, from the beginning was saying that Tyson's legs weren't

strong. And when he got hit a couple of times, Jake let him off the hook. And so to me, this was kind of like what we saw with McGregor and Mayweather, in that Mayweather was like, I'm going to carry him for nine rounds and I'll take him out. And I think with these two, I think they had some sort of gentleman's agreement

that neither one was going to knock the other one out. And when they got close, they'd pull off a little bit. And you might be like, well, how can they control that? These guys, look, Jake's been in the ring long enough to figure this out. And so is Tyson. And to me, in a way, they just kind of, their friends before the fight, I think this was all done for attention. But they got paid.

Attention. It was not done for attention. It was done for that second part where you just said. It was done for money. They both are going to clear close to $20 million. Yeah, but Jake is trying to get seen as a serious buyer, even though we won't fight anybody in C. in that's ranked or anybody that's legitimately i don't agree with that dude i don't agree that he is

trying to be looked upon as a serious boxer i think that is part of his schick i think that he's that's why he's choosing these opponents yeah why would he care to be as he's the guy's clearing if he picks somebody like a mike tyson he can make 20 million as opposed to fighting someone that could legitimately knock him out and making a million like he can he can do these gimmick fights and make and he's it's he's an entertainer and it's like it's yeah so there's there's There's no reason for him. He's not a real. He's talented.

He's got skills. If you put this guy up against Tyson Fury, I mean, come on. He said he wants the belt. He said he wants a legitimate belt. That to me tells me that you want to really fight. And if this is a whole stage thing and he thinks he's a badass and all these people online and social media are like, give him a chance. He's got to fight.

Give him a chance. If it is a, if it is like a gimmicky thing, great. Fine, no problem. Go make your money. But don't come out here saying you're a badass. Don't come out here saying you want a belt when you won't actually enter into any fight with anybody. It's your age that is currently in their prime that is currently fighting at your weight.

That's all that kind of stuff. But that's my point is he's talking about he can say that he wants a title all day long. You said you wanted all the belts, all the records all time. In no world you ever going to do intergeatdom. There's no. At the time. You're full of shit. And but you say things because you're like,

this is going to add to my, to my stuff and if he said i want to be champion i want to be this i want to be that i'm going to fight the and he was him and tyson had no animosity whatsoever maybe he stepped on his foot and that caused tyson to slap him even that was like you know but even that was like you know whatever it might have been and and then what's his food paul is given the sticking his tongue out and doing all these things and and it was like i said if you paid fifty nine dollars to watch this people could have more of an argument to be really pissed off. The way that I looked at it was, look, I'm glad Mike didn't get knocked out.

I got to see Mike Tyson bouncing around in the ring one more time. Didn't need to see his ass, but hey, that was hilarious. That was hilarious. It was hilarious. I left. But what I will say is, as much as I like her as an actress, why in the world was Rosie Perez anywhere near a microphone? Oh, she was terrible. Terrible.

Yeah. I texted a few of my friends during the match. Yeah. Like, what are you doing anywhere? What was the list? What list came about to whether it, hey, look at this list. Who do you want? Well, we were looking at out of the list of the thousand people. We picked number of thousand on the bottom, Rosie Perez. Why? What about the other 99?

We figured why not? How much is she going to cost to do it? And I don't know how you feel about Rinalo. I can't stand him. I can't stand him. But I know that. I love Morrow, but he went too far in the, calling of the matches, referencing his rap collection, which was driving me insane, making all, referencing all these lyrics to rap artists. I'm glad you like them, and it's cool, but I don't need a guy who's almost 60 talking to me about rap lyrics and telling me what it reminds

him. It sounded like he was trying to be cool. He dyed his hair, which looked terrible. I didn't like him on Showtime. I didn't like him in WWE. I love it in WWU. I thought he's great at NXT. Oh my God. A lot of people do. He's too over the top for me. He's, he's too over the top for me. He's two over there. You and I have that difference in opinion, where the same thing was Samantha Irvin. I thought she was way over the top. Like the two, fine, but the two over the top for me

just doesn't work. And he's so over the damn top that I was like, oh, but he didn't, he was at least, he wouldn't shut up is one of the things. Every time he would do this five minute diatribe and then even trying to throw it to either one of them, and Roy Jones, Roy Jones, the only one there's like, was legit.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but he knows what I was talking about. Yeah, I thought, yeah, I thought Roy's legit. Roy's a good commentator. Certainly good analyst and what he's talking about. And he had fought Tyson two years ago. So he had knowledge of what he was seeing. I also thought Roy was harping on

things a bit too much. Sure. The legs. The legs. Every other fucking comment was the legs, the legs. I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah, but that's but that is also, it took me back. He used to be on the broadcast with Lampley and Merchant. Yes, he was great on that. But because Lampley knew how to steer.

Yep. Rinald, or whatever his name is, he doesn't know how to steer the ship and Rosie Press had no at no business being there. But this is what I think it is, Christian, in my opinion, and, you know, whether you, I'm not trying to piss anybody off. So my honest is opinion. This is what happens when you social media eyes a legitimate situation. Those two fights before the Tyson, uh, Paul fight, those are legitimate fights.

Those are those counts. So those are legitimate battles. And when you come with this presentation that looks like it was farted out of TikTok, It removes the credibility of the presentation. And that to me, the buffering and all of that, that happens. That's an issue you can fix on that, get better at it. I mean, love is blind, had the same situation on Netflix. They figure out to do live stuff.

They really have trouble with live stuff. And so I hope Netflix figures this out before the WWE. I have issues with that. But the whole presentation was so pedantic and so just desperate to be relevant, desperate to be cool, that it came off looking terrible. And it's frustrating because you can't try to be cool and legitimate at the same time, like hip and cool and be irreverent and then also want to be legitimate, you know? It's like this thing I heard recently, people are creating some group called the gatecrashers. If you want a gay crash, but you still want to get stroked by the industry, you're not really gay crashing anything.

You're crying because you want attention from the people that you, so you're not gay crashing a damn thing if all you want to do is get attention from the legitimate media that you see that is not giving you the attention. crash and crap so that's the thing both things you can't be irreverent and try to be cool and hip and out of the and be a rebel and then also want the mainstream to stroke your hair and make you feel like you're legitimate it doesn't make sense no it doesn't but i also like that's but that's why i tell you if you really got jake paul off mike and talk to him he doesn't care about being legitimate dude oh probably true probably he cares about his bank account getting bigger and guess what it did and same thing with Tyson. Yeah, Tyson. Tyson was at the U.S.

the next night. It was fine. It was completely fine. He was, and you know, it was hard to watch, and I didn't even watch it. I fast forward through it because I couldn't do it. Holyfield and Lennox Lewis. Oh, my, it was brutal. I couldn't. It's like, but there's nobody running these things

to make it like, they couldn't even hear each other. And it's like, this is Netflix, right? It was, it was, I was surprised to how much of a, like, I agree with your, all of your points, what you just said there about trying to be hip and yet being legit at the same time. You got to pick and choose here. It's like you want to be,

you should be able to, and I think that you can do both. I think you can be a legit sports broadcast and still be interesting. Yeah, but this wasn't it. This wasn't it. No, not even close. And Kate Scott was great.

The female host was Kate does the Champions League. She does it on CBS. She's a pro. Yeah. And she was doing her best to make that work for those three guys on the table. That was terrible. She was doing. I fast forward to almost every single,

one after that because it was just like this is it's like just get me and plus it was on it was on so late yeah when it was finally on I'm like let's go with this fight and then the second so the when the fight started I I said we're going to be able to find out real quick what this fight is and Mike Tyson with two minute rounds even at 57 years old or whatever he is 58 even at 58 can throw three punch combinations for four minutes and he didn't do it once and when he was going in there and i don't care about his legs he was in a couple there's a couple different times you can see the footage he throws a jab and then normally and he popped paul once and staggered him and i think he went oops when he did it because he could have because normally

tyson would go in and then he would go he be he was inside enough i've seen enough tyson fights that he is in where mike wants to be is in the inside because especially at his age now and if he's in and anytime you go back to any of his fights especially when he was like deteriorating at the end of his when he wasn't into it and he was fighting that that big dopey what was is it kem McBride or whoever was right at the end even when he was in the corner as long as he got close he could throw three or four punches to try to take the person out and he didn't even do that like once and they should have hung I don't want to say this I'll get in trouble I'm not going to say don't get yourself in trouble we've enough of that um so this is why this is why this fight

worked though because look it it had everything I wrote you was stats wise Netflix is a winner in this I don't care about, you can say, no, the streaming, it's a win. It's a huge win for them. They've got millions of people. Those numbers are astronomical, what I just told you. Now, to duplicate that is going to be very hard because there's only one Mike Tyson. Mike, that wasn't Jake Paul that brought people to this thing. It was Mike Tyson. People wanted to see, people wanted magic to happen and wanted 22-year-old or 20-year-old Mike Tyson to magically reappear again. And we all wanted that. We all wanted to see Mike Tyson knocked this guy's head into the third row.

But the joke was on us with that because that was never going to happen. Especially seeing those training videos. When you watch those training videos of him, and I think that was before the ulcer thing that happened and said he lost 25 pounds, a lot of blood, almost died. But like when you see those training videos of Tyson,

he looks scary for a man his age. And you're like, where was all of that in the fight? I know people might be like, well, it's different when someone's punching back. But no, he was sparring that way as well. You know what that training was for, dude? It was to make sure he could do the eight rounds. It was to make sure he was in shape to do the eight rounds.

That's all it was. And the fact, he was able to do it. And if he had to defend himself, he could do it easily. Dana White, I think, said it the best inside of that press conference when they asked them. And he said, did you see that clip from Dana on the, on the, uh, what he said, about the fight? He said, you know, he told Mike not to fight Roy Jones a couple years ago. He said, what are you doing this for? He's like, you're too old.

You're going to get hurt. I don't want you to do that. And he got him involved in, in Shark Week or something, right? Yeah. And then Tyson got all pissed off at the end of Shark Weeks. Because they were throwing him in the water with sharks. He's like, this is not as Dean. He's like, this is more dangerous than me fighting somebody in the ring.

What the hell is this guy doing? So he fought Roy Jones and he listened to him. And then Dana was basically saying the same thing with Paul. But he said, look, I was, I was wrong. Mike was right. He told him. What he told me was, this kid can't hurt me. He can't hurt me.

There's nothing he can do to hurt me. He's not going to be really, he's not very good. And I'll be able to do whatever I want with him in the race. And that's exactly what he did. He danced around for eight minutes and made himself $20 million. So good for my guys. I think it hurts. I think it hurts Jake down the road, right?

You couldn't knock out a 50-year-old, 58-year-old man who was knocked out by supposedly lesser boxes than you when he was nearing the end of his prime. So that's a way to look at this as well. If he really is becoming it. Yeah, if he's really being legit. And I don't know where you go next. Who's left? I mean, he called out McGregor.

He's, you know what he's doing. he's doing what what what what he is essentially doing now is the much better version of celebrity boxing matches that's yeah yeah that's what he's doing now he's he's just but he's fighting guys that were once killers and guys are like even like with diaz and he's and he's fine and he findish and sylva and woodley these are all guys that can throw and are really good but like pastor prime not traditional boxers like he's picking people who can actually fight but no and it's the same safe thing. So he knows. And like, Andrew Tate just challenged him, you know, so like that's the type of things. Those are the things that he's going to do. He's going to fight because he's not

going to, who's he going to fight? He's going to fight. He's going to fight Tyson Fury. You don't I mean? Like, no, he's not going to fight Tyson Fury. And he fought Tyson Fury's brother and lost. Yeah, right. Tommy Fury, right. Right. So he's, this is not. And that and who watched that fight? Not as not even a fraction of nobody. So what nobody knows time. Why would he need to do this? Logan Paul doesn't need to do this. He's making a career doing it this way because the win is in when you see him fight. Because you're going to tune in to watch him fight the bigger, older, burnt out names, more so than you're going to fight some really legit.

Let's say he fights some legit 26-year-old that nobody's heard of. Yeah. What's the win for Paul there? What's the win? There's no win for him. I wish he was thinner because then he could take, on canello and let's see what's up that would be awesome canello versus logan i would pay you mean you mean jake oh jake sorry jake i would pay through the roof for that yeah logan Logan's Logan did

the right things so he did he was boxing and then he said i can make a lot more money and go from fight in the wb and he said he said it's more fun for him than what he's doing there now too right that's what that's where jake paul should go into fricking wrestling next after yes he doesn't need to box anymore dude he can throw hand look the guy can throw hands there's no doubt about it yeah um but you know it's it's also you put a you put a 27 year old uh jake paul gets a 27 year old mike tyson and they're arresting my tyson for murder before they even come in the ring i know it's so silly so Tyson Tyson's legacy was not hurt by this even though he doesn't care about legacy would you do when you saw that interview with that

poor kid i mean come on that was a poor girl he's like saying all this stuff this poor girl What the hell? We were all die. We all die. I love him. I was like, I just want to eat my shrooms and be left alone. I'm like,

yeah, I guess so, Mike. You just said it, dude. You just said it. He's like, he's like, okay, Mike, look, you can do your podcast and. Yeah. So it and go to fights for the rest of your life. Go make $20 million.

And that's it. And he's like, all right. What do I got to do? You got to stay. You got to float this kid around the ring for, for eight rounds in two minute rounds. And just don't knock him out. Don't do that. And that's what happened.

Like something out of snatch. 100%. 100%. Yeah. Anyway, what did you guys think about it? I'm so curious. Put your comments in there. Tell me your thoughts.

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this either this James Gunn story or the box office because then I realized something. What's that? I have not covered this story at all and you and I have been talking about this, predicting this forever. Okay. Let's discuss. Star Wars, Disney,

has been pulled. Hey! The 2026 film has been moved and John and I are not surprised in the slightest. Disney has removed the untitled Star Wars movie. It had set for release. on December 18, 2026, the title has seemingly been pulled from the calendar altogether rather than delayed.

The recently announced Ice Age 6 will instead take over that pre-exmas weekend slot, to which I heard the best comment when I saw this, and someone said, the Ice Age movie is going to be there instead, and I saw a comment that said, are we sure it's not the same movie? Multiple Star Wars films have been announced in recent years, but so far, the only new one to make it into production has been The Mandalorian and Grogu, which will still track for May 2026 release. That December title was suspected to be the Charmine Obeyed Chinoi directed film,

unofficially dubbed New Jedi Order, which would see Daisy Ridley returning as Ray, after screenwriter Stephen Knight departed from the project last month, its fate became unclear. The recent announcement that Simon Kinberg is pending a whole new Star Wars trilogy, one that has Ray as a key character, has raised the obvious question as to whether New Jedi Order will still proceed.

other films, including ones from directors James Mangold, Patty Jenkins, Sean Levy, all remain in development. Star Wars has its new skeleton crew TV series arriving next month in a second season of Andor in April of 2025. This is the continuation

of the circus that is Lucasville. You and I said this already of what was going to happen. This is, I think, the reason why they didn't want that Simon Kimberg story to come out, because what makes sense is, hey, Listen, we don't know what the hell's happening here.

We lost Stephen Knight. We don't think this director is the right one for the job, but we can't say this out loud. We can't do this stuff. So what do we do? Let's bring in Simon Kimberg. Hey, Simon, we have these ideas for Ray. What do you think?

I think we should do a trilogy. Oh, yeah, why is that? Well, okay, we do a trilogy. We do this, this, this and this. All right, maybe we scrap that movie. We do this. Let's not make any announcements yet. Let's not do anything.

And then the story leaks. Seems like that's the case as opposed to a single Ray movie movie and then a trilogy with Ray in it. They just said, okay, pushed off the side and quietly, you know, pay Chenoy for the work that she did. See it later. Shake hands. Bye bye. We've been saying this forever.

There's just too many signs pointing to this movie is not happening. And they never even talked about it. And another telling sign was a D23 when they showed the, they show the Mandalorian and Grogu's stuff. But they don't even mention their December, 20, 2016, because they have no clue what's happening with it. So, and the other thing I think is going to happen. This is another prediction for what we've been right on so far. Mandelorian and Grogu, I feel, is going to deliver. I think John Fabro is a very capable director.

He knows and he's a fan of the original stuff. I think he's going to deliver a solid movie. I really do. I think instead of having the, and as long as he doesn't rely on the damn volume the whole time, I think he can make a really solid movie. And if he does deliver on that movie and it does get the fans excited, do not be surprised if the reactionary Lucas film says, oh, Kimberg, just kidding, just kidding.

John, give us more, give us more, give us more. That's what will happen. I guarantee you. This is such a, like you said, the circus. Here we go again. You know, we just did an episode of the Jedi Way yesterday that's up on my channel with me, Laura and Kevin discussing this situation. And yeah, it just is more, as you.

said Christian of the circus and we don't know what's going on and look kinberg posting it on his social media it is the it is his post on instagram it is the most recent post on instagram he in essence is verifying this so i remember the days when disney didn't let anyone verify anything until they announced it until lucas film announces star wars announced it he essentially took a picture of the deadline article cover there online and posted it and said essentially this is happening So that's his way of kind of cornering Disney and Lucasfilm to say like, okay, you promised me this. I've tweeted it or I've posted this on Instagram,

so it's going to happen. Then that's the deal in that case. So it seems odd to me that you would allow this to happen if you're not moving towards removing this Ray film. And look, the Charmino-Baitsino-Chanoi thing, obviously, you know, I had my feelings about it because I felt like people were losing their minds and overreacting the whole situation without having seen a frame of what she shot.

And so, you know, but at this point now, I don't see the logic in continuing this. And what is it with these scripts that's missing, Christian? Why did Travis Knight have to submit from what I heard from my sources? Four separate drafts that still weren't good enough. Why did the previous writers submit? God knows how many drafts it wasn't going to. What are the notes that they're making?

Or do they keep changing what they want? And eventually the writers go, you know what? Screw this. You don't even know what you want. How can I write for you if you don't even know what you're doing for Ray or in the future? And I don't know, man. This seems so, how can I say this? This seems so fraught with danger.

And Ray, in certain sections of the fandom, is not loved and liked. I love her. I like her. I think days really is great. And I want her back. But they're taking so many chances with this. And it's already a clumsy, awkward, stumbling rollout that I almost think you should just scrap this thing from the beginning and start all over with the Kenberg trilogy,

cancel the mangold film, cancel. everything and just start with this and see where you go start slow and see where you go now there's seven movies in development it makes no sense to me christian i agree with a lot of that i wouldn't go so far as to say cancel a mangold thing because of the time period that it lands in and i think that they need to i think that that's where my my thing would be like get away from all of this and and don't be scared to create your own new characters everybody else and there's two ways to do it Whether they do it or not, I have no idea. The first way is to go back, start to set up all this stuff within the Mangold timeline

and build out characters and build out the old republic and build out shows through a build out characters. It's right in front of your faces. You can take all the stuff that you've had in past novels and comics and do all that stuff if you wanted to. Now, as far as the future goes with Ray, what you should do in a situation like this, if you're going to do a trilogy and you want to build out your galaxy is. find and create new characters within this trilogy that can continue on past this trilogy.

Find people that are exciting enough in the same way that a Marvel movie does. You're like, oh, who's that? I want to follow their adventures outside of this trilogy and build them up throughout it to, now that's not an easy task, but it should be the goal in general and try to do that. I say this each and every time now when we talk about it, and I told the audience I would do this, so I want to stand by it, is that anytime we're talking about film and TV and Star Wars, the only way to fix this problem is, again,

not with the people that are doing video games, not with the people that are doing comic books and animation. They're all good. They're doing a great job. You keep them. The higher level executives at Lucasfilm need to go. They are making these decisions again and again and again. It is not just Kathleen Kennedy.

It is the people around Kathleen Kennedy allowing this thing, to continue this this way that they're doing these things. Faloni needs to be moved back to animation to answer your question of what you were talking about beforehand of the Stephen Knight thing. I have no information on this at all. I'm just guessing. I would guarantee you that Faloni read a bunch of those scripts, gave too many notes on it. And Stephen Knight is like, I'm out.

Faloni's like, no, you need to make it young adult. You need to make it this way. I'm out. He's like, I don't write for that. Yeah. You've seen peeky blinders. I don't write for that. I would like to get one of the.

I would like to get one of these people, whether it is, whether it is, we can go through the entire list, whether it's Stephen Knight, whether it is Lindelof, whether it is Benny Off and Weiss, whether it's Patty Jenkins, whether it's Lord and Miller, whether it's, whether it's Travaro, whoever, one of them, just for one hour. I'll tell you this.

From a very, very connected source of mind, when the Lord and Miller stuff happened about solo, I heard that both of them were extremely shocked at how accurate the reports were about their interactions with Kathleen. The Sox thing, all of that. What was the Sox thing? Refresher memories? It was like, what was it as like?

Comparated to the Sox? I can't remember exactly, but like, all of it was, they were very surprised that the Scoopers got, a lot of the stuff right in the interactions and what had been reported. So yeah, I'm with you. Like we need to hear what's going on. Somebody from one of them.

They create a wall where she's in essence untouchable and the people involved are untouchable, not just her. Like you said, it ain't just Kathleen. It's everybody involved. They've created a wall here where no one can get through to find out what's really, really going on. And no one's going on the record rather to tell you what's really going on.

And it's frustrating because they keep being able to stay. in charge of this when the public is being kept in the dark about what's really happening here behind the scenes you know it's a bad coaching staff john it's a bad coaching staff making a lot of bad plays when you know it's like they i i am now around a lot i'm a giant's fan but i'm around a lot of jets fans right giants knew we knew the giants were we're going to not be that great they had a shot but but we know they weren't going to be that great the jets thought they were going to the super ball well guess my god they're not and the jets are are a content teams just and and and what happened what happened this season coach got fired within what

three games yeah and their defense went right to the toilet which is why they're losing all these games along with but they but they fire the coach because they said oh i don't know what's going on you're out well the coach is still making plays since 2019 not only didn't they have to go to a super bowl they even even played a game imagine they even played a game and it's and yet yeah you do do it do whatever you want and this is why i say again the same thing what i've been talking about about the leadership needing to change. You have to now point the finger at Bob Eiger. You have to. You have to say, Bob, what are you doing? How is this team still in place? What are you doing? Yeah. He's like the, he's like the Woody Johnson of the situation. You're like,

why are you allowing all of this to happen for us? Yeah, he's letting this happen. It's like, get rid of these people. They're not making the decisions. They're not making even the people that were on the, I talked to someone today who was a big mass of, you know, loves, most, Most things about Star Wars and looking forward to Skeleton Crew, looking forward to everything, you know, that it's coming to the Mandalorian movie and everything to, looking forward to all of it. It speaks nothing but positive words about it and is excited. Even this person is fed up of the leadership at Lucasville said they got to go. And this is no longer a thing of like, oh, this is just people who hate Star Wars fans, they hate everything. This is just incompetence.

This is incompetence. If skeleton crew is coming out what? like two or three weeks. So if that comes out and it's middling, it's Asoka, it's slightly Canobi, then that's going to have even more fuel to the fire. Because look, Andor two, that's untouchable. I bet that's going to be great. Yeah.

And that's going to be like the oasis in the middle of the desert, right? And so that's going to be fine. But you can't like go, okay, look, they did and or season two great. And then look at all this other stuff and discount it. No, because if skeletal comes out, it's middling and then Andrew comes out, it's great. It just shows you that there are certain people who know how to do it and certain people who don't. And there's too much evidence of the people who've been in charge for a long time. That's very clear that they don't know how to do it effectively to delight the fandom.

And that's getting, even the bones who are hardcore are quietly, I think, not telling you the honest truth about how they feel about certain shows and certain movies. I had something to that also with the TV stuff because I think that the other thing that happens with TV is, like, let's let's say that both the skeleton crew and and or are awesome right okay i think what that does i think that further proves oh yeah the problem at lucasville i think it further proves that when you have someone like a john watts who can say hey listen this is what i'm going to do i'm going to make my show here i look what i did with the old man look what i do with spider man look what i'm going to do and i'm going to do my thing and i'm going to make this amblin type adventure and i'm going to make my thing and then let's say it's great and then tony gilroy who is not listening to dave phillone i can tell you

that right now um and makes his thing and it gets nominated for emmys again and then they're going to go oh star wars is back no it's not because watch who the next person is and guess what it's tv let's see what happens at movies and the problem is there is no group working together there is no group working together and there's so much that they can do and look at what james gun is doing with what tom king right who wrote all these great comics and now tom king is in the room tom king is helping with the scripts where is claudia gray where is alexander freed where are all these people who have told these stories that are right where's drew carpetian get all these people you don't have to have them write screenplays you have them in the room have them in the room because

not every novel person who writes a novel can write a screenplay it's not the same thing it's not even close to the same thing. It's not like, oh, well, say you wrote a book, they can write a screenplay. No, right. But they get Star Wars and they know it overall. It's the, it's, I do what I'm telling you, until it doesn't matter, even at this trilogy turns out to be great, which is a long shot, right? It's not going to get better until this leadership is removed. It just doesn't. And she attached herself to that trilogy, right? It said in the announcement that she will be executive producing this trilogy. Kathleen Kennedy might not even still be at Lucasfilm. And she's, is going to produce this.

It's like Annie Pascal. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That kind of situation. But I also think, listen, real quick, I also think the fans need to take some responsibility here, too. A lot of you borrow Joe way up Dave Faloni's butt saying how great he is.

I was part of it. I'll take responsibility in that too. I did. It ain't just going after Star Wars. You have to also look at yourself, go like, how much did I contribute by being vocally out there going the sun rises and sets on Dave Faloni's butt? I'm like that's the thing part of it too i'm guilty i'm guilty for that there's no doubt about it when when that i think that he has a very good understanding of star wars

star wars lore certain things that come in sure like he's got a very good understanding of it the problem is i think that this has gone like this um and i think that he is a gatekeeper with star war stuff and i think it has been a detriment to star wars i think it is i think him and kathleen kennedy are equally to blame right now and i'd be curious to see how many notes he gave on skeleton crew because that's right young adult type approach younger approach i wonder if there are a lot of notes that he gave to the writers and if at the end there's little illusions or little comments remember that writer for um uh acolytes came out and said that phelone gave a lot of notes and she shut down her social media account because people wanted to find out more about this situation so i wonder if someone

will let it slip if skeleton crew isn't really well received maybe make a comment about how they got a lot and notes from Faloni and what have you. So there starts to become an evidence of some evidence and pattern here that people can't ignore. What I think is an ambit skeleton group is I think that the, the, I think that they gave you inside of these trailers what this show is. I think it is, I don't think it's going to fool you. I think it's going to be a amblin entertainment, Goonies type show. And I will still say like I can wind up, maybe I'll wind up loving this with watching this my seven year old kid. You know, maybe I will. It didn't, it felt like a different space adventure to me. I didn't, I didn't have

the feel of Star Wars in it. Now, people can disagree with me. That's fine, but it doesn't mean it's going to be bad. It just means that it didn't capture it. And I could also say, after watching the first few episodes, that it actually did turn out the feel, oh, well, you know what, that didn't represent the Star Wars feel. It actually does, it does. And there was a lot more in there. And you don't get started by throwing a Jedi in there. And just by throwing spaceships and and light speed in there. There's got to be, there's like a certain kind of magic for it. And I'm not some of the original trilogy. I'm talking about any of the things that, and speaking of Dave Faloney, Rebels had a very solid Star Wars feel to it, the Clone Wars, very solid Star Wars.

That was George also, but the prequels, like those things. And even the Force Awakens, the Force Awakens to me is a movie that I still enjoy. The problem I don't watch Force Awakens anymore is because I know what follows it. And I don't want to get sad. You know what I mean? It's like, when I watch it's like, I just know what's going to happen. And there's just no deliver to this and it's everybody just kind of but to be fair the new trilogy maybe it plays off of and somehow look the way that the clone wars animated series elevated the prequels maybe this new trilogy could do that the same again with this leadership in charge i don't feel that that could happen yeah it's a disaster guys what's what's more of a disaster than erin paula the jake paul

a Tyson fight or the current state of Lucas. I don't think it is even a close poll if I put it in there. I know it would win hands down. Anyway, we got other things to discuss. We got other things. And one of those things, and please put your comments in there, Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcast, fine. We are there also.

So let's get to the first one. And that is, what the hell is that, what's that thing I wanted? Oh, yeah. You want to stick with Star Wars real quick, John? Yeah, sure. One more, you got. You got one more. There's a new one that just came out.

We'll try not to be a Statler, Waldorf. We'll try not to do that. Asoka, too, begins filming 2025. So that means we're getting in 2026, right? We're about to get a bunch of new Star Wars content in a short time span with skeleton crew dropping in December, followed by the second season of Andor in 2025. And then you get Asoka in 26. After that, things are going quiet for a good year.

No other live action series in the can. things will pick up in 2026 when the Mandalorian and Grogu film releases in May, and that won't be the only one. Earlier this year came the confirmation of a second season of Assoc going forward with actress Natasha Lou Boudrezzo, previously indicating a rough summer 2025 filming date. Today, Daniel Rickman says Disney and Lucasfilm have set April 2025 start date for filming in Osoka, filming Asoka in United Kingdom. If that holds, then that also gives us a rough idea of a release date. The first season began filming 2022 of May. ahead of an August 2023 premiere.

So a Q3-2020 run for the second season of Asoka seems likely a full three years after the first season aired. It also sets the show release for after the Mandalorian and Grogu, so the events in that movie might have an impact of what we see in Asoka as both are set in the same time period. Okay, so now we will throw a little bit of potential positivity in here. Okay. Okay.

Asoka Season 2, from what they said at the end there, could start to deliver some stuff. stuff. They could start to actually deliver a through line, if you will, where if Manoran and Grogo, because Favreau and Fuloni are obviously speaking, they're obviously having conversations. And okay, look, we need this to then will lead into the events of Asoka, which will then lead into Follone's big movie at the end there. Now, I'll tell you what I hope, but you know, you just told me before when you said, you got to take some responsibility. And I said, look, yeah, I was the one that thought Fulani was the answer and I was clearly wrong.

I would like to do that again. I would like to be able to say in 2027 or 2028, after Falunni's movie comes out and season two, Asoka is, let's say, phenomenal. And in 2027 or 28, this movie comes out, I'm like, dude, boy, do I owe that guy an apology. You know, like, that's what I want to say. I really want to say that.

I want to say, like, he did the air to the empire stuff. It delivered. He had more to deal with. He had more budget. He really made this work. He listened to the criticisms of season one of Asoka. and turn that horribly written piss fest into something really good. That's what I'm hoping.

So what do you feel about all this? Clearly this is timed to possibly line up with that Avengers type film of this, which is why they've delayed shooting this and take it's going to be three years by the estimation after the first season that this second season will come out. And so 2027, 2028 depends on where they're going to drop it. but clearly they're already looking forward to where they're going to drop their film, the Faloni film, so it's going to connect up, right? Okay, cool.

That makes sense. Fine, you make that connection. The only thing this will prove is that Faloni did really well with his characters that he put in and he created. It does not, well, not all of them, obviously, but Osoka. It does not necessarily clean the slate for me for him. And so to me, I look at it more like, okay, you did well with your character. That's great.

But like, let's look at all these other things. to balance it out that being said for all the criticism i want it all to work just like you i want it all to be good i want it all to be something we turn around and go you know what this is good stuff now they've turned the quarter like kind of how we feel about marvel going into 2025 there's this feeling of hope now coming back from the footage from the trailers from stuff we've seen i think people are excited for marvel coming out of agatha coming out of did pull of wolverine there's an excitement that's building again with marvel we don't have that yet with star wars but you want to see that And maybe this will be part of what makes that happen over the next few years.

I hope so. I mean, I really do. I hope that this is a that kind of again, through line. I think we're going to leave the gun story out today because I wasn't expecting the, the Star Wars stuff and I forgot all about it. And I haven't covered it. And I wanted to talk to you about it. But I will cover the box office because we do that every Monday.

And let's do it. And that is that this box office here, Red One is soft. And the gladiator is pretty strong so far in international. audiences. While audiences have been kinder to the film than critics that Dwayne Johnson and Chris Evans led holiday comedy Red One tasted some expired eggnog at the weekend box office, the title has come in and an estimated 34 million for the box office, a number that would be good for an average holiday comedy, with this star power and a report of $250 million budget. Not a good start. Compared to the other Johnson non-IP openers, this film performed better than

skyscraper at 24.9, yeah, but how much did that movie cost? No way that movie cost $250. But worse than San Andreas, 54. Critics slammed the film, but audiences have given it a fairly good a minus cinema score, which, yeah, slam the film is not fair. Internationally, where it opened last weekend, pulled in an estimated 14.7 million in its second run, a decent drop of 43%. In fact, it helped pretty well in a number of key markets with drops notably lower than that. The film was arguably the highest opening for a movie originally planned as a direct-to-streaming title, and will likely be number one opening films featuring Johnson this month, the other being Moana 2. fearing decidedly better is Gladiator 2, which opened outside of the U.S. in China this weekend

and 63 international box office markets and doing business. A film reportedly debuted to an estimated 87 million, the biggest overseas start for Ridley Scott, directed film to date, and the best start for U.S. rated our movie from Paramount. Also of note, Sony's Venom, The Last Dance, has now passed the total box office of the first sequel, Venom let there be carnage and currently sits at 436.1. DreamWorks celebrated the wild robot is at 308 worldwide. What stands out, John?

Is the fact that Red 1, because of the 250, is it kind of, does that stand out? What stands out to you? I think with all the drama around Red 1, the fact that Rock the rock got people in theaters for 35 million, I think is something to look at as a positive, you know, from the debacle and all the stories and all the things that came out around the movie. Yeah, it's not going to make its money back. It's not going to do whatever. But the fact that the audiences are being kinder to the film. I think that fits the Rock's narrative lately when he's done bad movies is I do movies for the audience I do do movies for the critics meanwhile he's about to do a Betty safety movie I mean or or Josh one of the

Safty brothers is doing that film he's like oh she really and okay fine you've got the narratives here that he's feeding and it works for him to keep feeding this narrative to people who are in the bubble as we are and they'll buy it now but it's right he makes the movies for us not for the critics screw them critics those highfaluting guys so people so to me that makes sense for the rock it helps the rock out overall with the branding that he does so that's a positive uh that's the gladiator two thing as i said you liked it more than i did and so i'm not surprised it's going to make its money it's going to be a success financially i don't think it'll get nominated for anything besides maybe costumes uh but uh oscars wise but overall you know it's going to make money

and really have another hit on his hands so that's a good thing that's what i have a funny exchange with somebody on and like because i don't because like i said i don't i don't get fired up on Twitter anymore because it was there was someone who had tweeted at Roxy about Roxy's opinion on the movie right and for some reason included me and this show the Twitter handle and say I don't know how you can lie to your audience and say that this was a good movie this is one of the worst movies I ever seen and I just wrote back I'm glad you I'm sorry you didn't like it and which I wrote back and to which they said didn't like it I hated it and this is why I'm blah

blah blah I'm like all right well you know thanks for sharing your opinion and I hope you have a great week right and they wrote back why are you even responding? I want it, Roxy, shut up, idiot. I want it. And I said, well, can I recommend a discount on some vitamins? And then they wrote back, this is the last time I'm responding to you, idiot. And I said, is that a no on the vitamins?

That's where I'm at right now with social media. Because it's like, what am I going to do? Like that person is clearly a, you know, a angry loser. As I've been saying for years, a lot of people. on social media, it's about the attention. Like they feel like they're not being heard in their own lives, or they feel like I can do what he or she is doing. Why is no one watching my content?

Why is no one being attention to me? And that's what it's all about. And I think your way of handling it is a much better way of handling, which is to diffuse it, not dial into it because that's what they want. They come off agitative, condescending. And then they go, why is he being mad at me? Why is he responding so negative? It's like, no, you started off in this attitude with this response.

This is how you went down the path. And I met you at your energy and you don't like being met at your energy. Now you want to play victim. I like to treat them. I like to treat them the same way I treat telemarketers. It's the same way that I do it. I just, I like to. I'll start with, hey, listen, you don't like, you don't like it.

But if you're going to come. If you start, I'm not going to yell at you. I'm just going to tell you. I'm just like, hey, what's your favorite kind of cheeseburger? And I want them to start like, you know, either they're going to get into the cheeseburger conversation or they're going to get more mad. I prefer when they get more mad at the silliness, which is, you know it's the same way it's the same way when I when I what now and when I

drive and someone cuts me off or someone gets mad at me on on the road I don't yell and shake my fist if someone gets really mad at me and whatever too and they're screaming at me I look over like this it pisses them off even more piss them off even more I love it and I just and it doesn't make me upset it's like it doesn't make me upset like because you get when you start screaming and yelling at people or whether it's on Twitter or on the road you really you have to calm yourself down i weigh my hair i feel the same way i did five five seconds ago yeah so it's the same thing

anyway let's move um all right i think that's it for the stories we got okay right now you got 27 questions so you're starting off that's it oh that's terrible to start 27's not bad to start you don't know where you're going to go as far as by the end of the show but you're starting with 27 but john before we get to those questions what's going on on the channel oh yeah here on the outlaw nation head on over the outlaw nation rather my channel youtube.com slash john roca says that's r o c h a please come and hang out with us as i say i just dropped the new episode of jett i'm dropping my reaction of the first episode of dune prophecy after the show is done jeff and i count down the top 10 leonard o the caprio movies on the most recent episode of the hot

mike that you can go back and check out as well but we got a new episode coming up on thursday we got oh friday rather we got geek buddies this week we got so much going on this week as well and a new spill the tequila will probably be dropping sometime later this week on the channel plus reactions and reviews i'll have my react to theater reaction for nospiratu tonight my review for wicked i think tomorrow or wednesday whenever the embargo drops and uh so that'll be out there for you all to enjoy so come and hang out on the channel we cross 35 get us to 50 we'd love to have you thank you uh yeah check out what john and and everybody over there's doing please thank you um all right let's get to these questions because we got like i said 27 we'll see if we

can end i mean look you've started before at like i think it was 20 and then one the end and with that 20 ended at like 80 so it's certainly possible. Okay. Let's start and we are going to start with, I don't know, I hate the way that Supertents does this. Okay. Like for some reason, they do this thing where it's like they don't, like you have to like go through. I miss, I missed a couple of questions last one because I was going through the live chat.

Then I went through the starred because it doesn't have all the starred ones. But we'll start with this. Hank Pimp, do you think Oz was. still oh man this is a spoiler for the show though shoot i highlighted it um it's it's from the penguin and i don't want i and without saying it was a spot i just flashed out so uh let's see um let me see what he says do you think did i'll i'll phrase it this way do you think oz was still going to do what he did um or spontaneously or did he have a plan on doing that already i think he knew he was going to do it the second he saw that certain somebody

dancing with someone really close to him i think he knew in that moment what he was going to do down the road i i agree with you i think the respect the second he said they're going to remember both our names if there's one thing uh az doesn't like to do is share credit with anybody uh galaxy geeks became a new member thank you louis uh ian davis who are two movie characters that you would pay big money to see fight in the ufc ow man rambo versus john matrix i've been waiting that's i've been waiting for that question for 30 years i think matrix wins i think absolutely it depends on which rainbow you're getting it doesn't matter matrix is always smarter than rambo oh stop it and in real life arnold is smarter than sly

you don't you don't catch arnold come here somebody he's right you're stupid stop talking i fooled you with stop on my mom the shoot who would be a good fight I don't know uh Jesus who would be a good I mean once you go past Schwarzenegger it's tough to pick anybody else is there no come on you can think about what about Wolverine versus somebody or rocky versus somebody you come and think of think of something you can get something let me think of that let's move forward Pete Parker I really enjoyed saturday night me too the chevi actor was great he was the best part of the whole movie I love that the same guy plays henson and Kaufman not not as chevy but yes the same guy from succession plays

plays Henson and Kaufman. Yeah, I noticed that pretty quick, but I thought he did a great job as both. I'll tell you what, I disagree with the last part of this. He said Matthew, Matthew Reese didn't feel like Carlin, though. I thoroughly disagree with that

because I was so critical of anybody they cast because I'm a Carlin guy. Now, which Carlin are you comparing to? Because if you're comparing to old Carlin at the end, 100%. Carlin from the 80s and 90s, 100%. 1975 Carlin, that was the guy. His, everything is the way that he, his indicates the way that he reflected is everything.

Everything that he did, everything that he did was being coked out that day, all these different things. I thought he did it very, very well. I don't know how you felt about the Carlin performance, but the rest of it, what do you think? I like Matthew Reese. I think he's a great actor. You know, I enjoyed him in the Perry Mason and I got to see Americans, but I thought he was great as Carlin. And again, I'm going to echo this. Dylan O'Brien is Dan Aykroyd.

That was my standout. That was my number one. The Chevy Chase guy did great, but I thought the Dan Aykroyd won, which is a harder bar to clear, I thought he nailed him. Also, my answer is Jackie Chan versus John Club. Oh, it's a good one. Any movie from either or any of them. Let's bring it. Bruce Lee, I guess, too, right?

A couple threat. That's dope. That's right. Pete Parker also says, Roka, is Beth the best female character on TV? What hell is that? Beth. I don't know who Beth is. Oh, Beth, is that the girl from Yellowstone?

Oh, she's, I hate it. Oh, Roxy wants to debate you about the, about the, about the, yeah, what's her face? Who do you dislike? Kelly Ryan. Yeah. She said on the show on Tuesday, she loves you, but that is the worst take that anyone has ever made about anything in television or film. I think Roxy has no, I have decades of television on Roxy, and I'm telling you, I know exactly. We're going to have to get that.

because and i have decades i have decades of knowing tough women and i know the difference i want to get i want to get this debate on because she she is she was she was thoroughly offended by that um ewalk talking tough and being tough are two different things star wars has films in the works from kinberg favro philoni obeyed chenoi mingold levy jenkins and wottiti if you could pick one to materialize why all the rest get canceled which would be favro 100%. is don't love her on that list because that Orlando film, right? Thing ain't happening.

Ryan Johnson was supposed to happen too. Oh, yeah. That was that's the only way. The do-do. We've been saying that's where a collider, bro. No world that was going to happen after that. Yeah, I agree with you. The Fabro one for us. Yeah. If you take, now, I think the tougher question is if you take Favre out of there. Yeah. Kenberg, Faloni, Obed Chinoi, Mango, Levy, Jenkins, and Witton, Follone.

Because he's, because they're going to, for some reason, he's the golden boy. They're going to let him do whatever he wants to do. Is it the one we want to see? when we think we'll get done things it's going to get materialized one i want to see it's mangled's my first choice at all agree yeah uh-ewalk also i just saw endurance on disney plus it's great what is that do you know what that is it's a great documentary i saw it as well i got an early screening i didn't tweet about i should tweet about it it's a fantastic documentary on shackleton uh the old explorer from the night who went across the antarctica and it was a very famous uh trek didn't didn't get there but like

they sir he's kept all his crew alive after the ship got stuck in the snow and sank. So what they've done with this documentary is they've done the there was a modern search for the ship because they've never been able to find the ship. So while you're watching the modern exploration as they go and try to find the ship, you're going back in time to match what's happening in their journey through the whole, through the whole things they experienced in Antarctica and their ship going down. So it's a very fascinating documentary. If you're into it, it got me to buy the biography on Shackleton off Amazon last week so I can read the thing. So it's an incredible story of humans overcoming the worst conditions you can imagine.

That's on Disney Plus? That's on Disney Plus? Yeah, it's on Hulu and Disney Plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mike Joyce, I think Roka and Mike would be a good pair one day. For sure, that'd be a good one. It's like Mike's schedules all over the place. You know what?

Me and Kalanowski? Yeah, that'd be fun. That'd be a good one to do. Yeah, that'd be a good one to do. And let's see. I've got a proposal for you. Oh, here we go. I want you to think about it.

No. Can I say no first? Yes, you can have. You know, in golf, you know, we've watched golf. You know, we've watched golf. Sure. You remember the Legends tour, right?

Yeah. I think you should start staging, start maybe twice a year, and hopefully get to four a year, where you stage a Shmodeau Legends pay-per-view, where the legends come back to battle in matches, like Tyson Paul, where we come together and we battle each,

other and it's just like it's a cut off it's a cut off only the legends oh you had to have won a title and then you get to come back and battle each other i think that would be amazing who's gonna run this i will happily help you run it i will happily help you what if i said i don't want to help because i don't want to do it at all i think that's short-sighted thinking and i would actually convince you and who's gonna give you you call mark cuban is he going to give us the money to do that we'll figure it out we'll do a kick starter a lot of the fans missed the schmode down bro remember I gave I gave I said here's here's what we can do I said I need because in order to I could do a free for all I could do a free for all I said I'll do a

free for all and I'll get everybody and I'll and I'll and I'll be free to the public everything too but I would need I'd have to get and this is a big number I need 10,000 subscribers and that subscribers 10,000 patrons I need 10,000 patrons I need 10,000 patrons it's not that serves you that serves you I'm talking it serves me it serves me to that's right to to I would have to fly everybody to the yes I would have to rent like to put on the just to show people behind the curtain now when you did when we did free-for-all in Los Angeles that event alone when I was and for the free-for-free-froll was the only event where I didn't pay competitors because if it was it would

elevate the budget was $30,000 on that event alone without paying competitors okay and that was without flights so if you're gonna you're looking you're looking at between 50 to $60,000 to on that event alone yeah i guarantee you we can get 50 000 for each event if it's twice a year i guarantee but it has again legends i don't think no fan players none legends i think you think the audience is way more dedicated now than it it's the show's gone it's gone it's been gone for two years if you know no you can do it you can do it you can do it mike joyce i hope you end up doing that Dona Roca. Pundits are saying Dems need our own Joe Rogan. You could be that man.

Call it catastrophe now. And I already, he already has a name for it. And I'm I told, I'm told myself, I'm not, I'm not bringing it up to him anymore because you could have done it a long time ago. No, there's, there's too much going on right now. And when you saw what happened this morning with a certain pundits, there's a fear from everybody now. He's, he's accomplished this fear that people are afraid they're going to be thrown in jail or gulag or whatever. If they speak out, we'll see i mean rolling stone has been very clear where they're standing they're going to fight against it and we'll see so but i rogan was already a comic and it was already on tv i in no way will i come nobody knows me i can't come close to what rogan did so i could not be the that side it needs to

be someone famous who decides to make a left turn and become a pundit that would be the way you'd get a new rogan but i i don't think it matters to be honest so that's just my opinion right now yeah i think it's a mistake all right uh shay markell There may be an issue with the Amazon Wishlink. I just put it, I just put it back. And let me know, click on, click on that one now and tell me if it opens. It should be updated. Click on the 50,000 for a shmowdown.

Yeah. Good luck. Let's see. Next one is Corrin K6. Roka for the win. Like this episode now and subscribe. 100%. You're 31 already. John, see you're already building.

31 as we're building. Please subscribe to my channel as well. Yes, I'm sure he did it right. Jason Crosby. I just watched Transformers 1 last night. Amazing movie that deserved more love than it got. 100%. That trailer did it no justice.

It did no justice. Roman. What's up, Roman Fedora? Hey, guys, hope your day is going well. Christian, appreciate your comment about me in the last show. Made my day. Hey, it's true.

Favorite Taylor Sheridan written film? My pick is, I would have taken Hellar Highwater, so you chose mine. With Sicario at number two. Yeah. Yeah, I think John will probably take Sicario, but Heller Highwater was a movie that blew me away. I went and went back and watched

that, like, I think in the theater, like three days later. It was great. Loved it. That's one of my favorite smote on artwork. Me and Brett Sheridan Mark Ellis on that, hello, I wanted. Oh, yeah, it was good. Poster. That was amazing. Because you were actually in the movie. Yeah. Right. Exactly.

Gil Birmingham. Yeah, so good. Kenneth Colton. Red One debuts with $34 million with $250 million. Budget. Here we go again. These studios will never learn. Happy Monday, gentlemen. I just think, look, I like the rock more than Then Roka, he's a turn code. That's full crap.

You're a turn code. You're a turn code. But what I will say is I don't think the rock is really in touch when it comes to budgets right now. I just don't, I don't think he understands like, oh, we got to put this movie on IMAX and everybody who want to see it. No. It's not what people are going to see in the theaters right now. And it's like it just doesn't have that thing. So what he needs to do is what he's doing with A24, but you got to make small.

You can't demand in the room, well, we need this kind of. money we need this you don't you don't need that kind of money and and now i think the studios have enough firepower against him to say look man every black adam cost 400 million dollars whatever it cost and this cost 250 and and it's what are we what are we doing here not 400 million i think i think black adam was like in the 200 range also wasn't it something like that yeah but at least he won't be able to use that narrative again the the the crafty accounting he was trying to do with black right right fell apart uh and i'm not against the rock i'm not a sycophent there's a difference i'm the i'm the one that will tell the rock you're messing

this up like work a little harder be a little smarter here so you can have overall long-term success don't play to the lowest common denominator you can do better that's that's my mentality uh jason crosby what's a movie you think absolutely deserves a sequel but never got it i'll forever say dread deserves a sequel dread for sure i would actually say warrior um but i think with warrior what you would and i and more so than just the actual movie itself Gavin o'connor talked about a series and i would love to see a series happen and because well tom hardy and joll edgerton are now in their 50s or close to it um you you would put them as commentators or put them in roles to where they can get newer fighters and things of that nature see where that story is gone but i i'd like to see the

that those I like to see where those characters went yeah you got one it's a good question hopefully we'll get it and that's the amazing spider-man three I mean two two was not great but I mean they're allowed to make a misstep aren't they and so I think Andrew's a great spider-man I like that first one so why not make a third one it was always quizzical to me that they just kind of stopped so hopefully they'll do a third one which is the rumor down the road go pal says John Will the geek buddies be reviewing Dune? I don't think so. I don't know, though.

I mean, like I said, my reaction is going to be up in an hour or so, but I don't know that there's that desire from the guys. But Arcane is a possibility, so working that out. I think I was going to react to June, but for me, what I like to do is to kind of survey what's happening. And I don't think that people, I don't think there's a lot of hype behind it. I'm curious to see, let me know how that reaction does it. I just don't think a lot of people really,

are looking for reactions to that show. And if it's slower, you know, it takes a while to build. Those are not the shows that really have a lot to go on. So I'm probably going to hold, I'll probably review it, but I think I'll stay away from doing reactions to it. Mike Joyce, will DeVito save the Giants?

Danny DeVito, if he buys it. It's about it. Tommy DeVito, Slinga pizzas and Slinger Football's. Come on, man. That's my favorite. Cupcake Bliss. apparently Jake Paul wants to fight Connor McGregor. Is that true?

Yeah. Connor responded with a meme ridiculing him. So that seems to be like we're opening the door to this. Question to you. Who winning? Do you believe it'll be a fixed? Yeah, it's hard. That's another point.

Actually, I'm glad you brought that up. Cupcake Bliss. Because here's the thing now. What I do think will hurt Paul is now when people tune into these fights, I can't. I'm, if when Connor fights him, I'm not going to take it serious. Yeah. It should hopefully if it's, but to counter that, if it's on Netflix, I'll still watch it.

Right. I won't pay for it, but I'll still watch it. So they, they can, they can keep doing this. They're essentially just doing WWE is what they're doing. And because Connor, if he fights, if he fights Connor, fine, he fights Connor. It'll be fun to watch them talk crap all time because I think Tyson got bored with it too. I think Tyson was probably supposed to talk more in some of those press things that he did. And he wasn't even giving answers.

I think he was bored. He doesn't want to do this stuff. He doesn't want to do it. McGregor would probably be a fun show. But yeah, that'll probably happen. That's probably the next thing that actually probably would make sense. And there's no world where it'll be, yeah, it'll be another thing just like this. Nope.

They both could use it. And, you know, Connor is, I think Connor's passed it as an MMA title contender, in my opinion. and I love Connor. So, but both could use it as long. But I think Jake, I think you're right, man. I think he's crossed that line now with the Tyson situation. The reaction has been so strong. It's got to be a legitimate fight.

Yeah. If it even reeks of feeling like a fix, I think people will stop tuning in as much and the numbers won't be there. Yeah, it's on Netflix, but just because it's free doesn't mean you'll watch it. And so if the numbers go down, I think that'll be an indictment on Jake. So only a few more gimmick fights he's got left anyway.

Yeah. Deadly Once Awakened. Did you all hear about the fight contract? Is it true that Mike had to last through the end to make money and couldn't throw uppercuts? It's valid crazy. I mean, I don't know. True is I definitely heard the same thing. What I heard is that not that he wouldn't get paid at all, but that he would get paid less if he knocked around the first couple of few.

And then I did hear that no uppercut thing. I mean, I haven't seen the contract. I don't know. Did you hear that about the uppercut stuff? I did not hear about the uppercut. But it would make sense. You ever get hit by an uppercut from time? I mean, you've seen that people get hit by those uppercuts, man lights out.

is solid i mean that was his thing it was the body shot to the uppercut that was that was his main yeah so yeah if it's true i mean it just shows you that's what's what they agreed on that was it and we watched it that says it's not illegal about it that's what the contract said that's what he said and we watched it um we're just we're just used to that not happening uh jason crosbie just adopted a pit lab mixed puppy any suggestions on a name for him oh that's so hard that's so hard to even say because like i don't know you jason you know i don't know like for me it's got to be stuff that relates to i don't know the puppy i don't know the personality i don't that was always hard to to say because i don't i don't i don't know what's going on in your life i don't

know what's going on with yeah i i i wouldn't be able to give you a suggestion on that one it's too much it's too important of a decision what's the mixture uh pit lab a pit lab oh pit lab yeah romay rampage rampage goes and see you're called roca same thing um oh by the way so matt sarah is doing rampages podcast this week. Oh nice. He's going to promote the show. He's going on. He's flying out to LA to do it.

But I was, I had watched a couple of clips of Rampages podcast and seen a couple. You know it's crazy because I know you followed back in the day. Do you know who he had? Do you know who he had in his show not too long ago? Who? Rashad Evans. Oh, I remember Rashad.

Yeah. Well, Rashad Evans was, I mean, yeah, he's a, he's a former champion. He's great. But the reason why I think that's more of a holy shit is they had the biggest, feud dude like like they hated each other hate it so to watch those two guys put aside their differences and like they were just shooting the shit and Rashad's so chill now and like they were just like it was it's a really good episode I highly recommended it's awesome I mean no just me and bibs

once you put down the yeah you put down the swords you can actually find common ground and and because when you're in the heat of battle you're in the heat of battle that's go back to that real quick the shmow down stuff right like that's the kind of thing if i had the kind of money like real real money in promotion and anybody would have been like oh my feelings are hurt i can't believe he said this i said who gives you shit i just paid you to 15 000 to do that match what do you care should be quiet and just take the promotion you know that's what happens it's like because i'm because the same thing i'm like okay because then i if you're only paying somebody a couple hundred bucks for a match and they go i don't want to do they don't want to do this i'm like look i'm paying you

$15, $20,000, what comes into to this is if some, if John Roca is talking smack to you, then give it back to him. Don't complain about it. Don't talk about on social media. Give it back to them, promote the match and study. I don't want to hear your problems. But when you're paying somebody like when it's a couple hundred bucks and they're going, hey, I don't, I don't want to take this.

It's like, I don't want to study. I'm like, I can't argue with that. It was one of the reasons why I'm like, I just can't do this anymore. It was, and I agree, but it was frustrating because there was the same. schism. There were the people who felt that it could succeed without any of the WWE type of stuff to it. And there were people felt it needed it. And I'm one of those people that said it needed it because we saw our numbers when we were doing the characters. It was insane the numbers we got. And then when we stopped doing that stuff or didn't

lean into it and those matches didn't have it, they didn't do the same numbers. And it's the truth. And it wasn't even that we were leaning into it. It was because we couldn't do it because of virtual and virtual. They'll talk smack virtual. You could record. Smacked. But it wasn't, but it's not the same it's not the same with during in-person behind the scenes with an interviewer the big entrances that that adds all of that yeah it's a great point it's everything it's like you and me talking smack to each other on virtual and trying to promote them there's no it's not it's not the show i don't know w w w w you survived doing virtual we could have survived they were in person huh they were in person though doing virtual the matches were in

the matches were in person they were still putting on a show i see what you're saying virtual matches it's like if i'm playing you and i'm like and this whole big lead up goes into it and we're just back and forth like this the whole time it doesn't it doesn't have that same thing it doesn't have that fight field it's a longer conversation we'll do it some other time getting hurt thing was a big deal that was coming to a head anyway virtual kind of yes and and and and my and my point of it was if i'm paying you a good sum of money i was thinking about this the other day if i'm paying then then it's like oh well so i don't like what so-and-so said tough shit's part of the contract it's what you're getting paid for you're You're paid for it.

Yeah, that's it. I want all the perks of the Schmodel without having my feelings. What the hell are you doing, man? But I feel that more when it wasn't worth it monetary. It wasn't worth it monetarily for me. I did it for free for years. I didn't care. When you care about something, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, but I only go, so you quit for a reason too. You were over it. Jason Crosby, I was originally going with big balls, but he's been neutered. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it's what happened. I put a call him. No, well, he's talking about not this big balls. He's talking about his dog's been neutered, so he can't be big bills.

But you've been, you're talking about it factually. Rad V-66. Do you think Jake Paul will fight Canello? I don't think it'll ever happen. The weight difference is too big. Nah. Not until Canello's 50. Yeah, right, exactly.

Right. Yeah, no. That won't happen. Okay, Carlton Rudder, London Calling. What's up, buddy? My weekend films were Gladiator 2. Great Action, Week Story. I agree.

And piece by piece, which was a fantastic biopic. great use of Lego and Bang Tunes. That's great. Good. Thank you for the real one. You're at 35 right now, John, 35. Hey, thank you. All right. So it's a me, Steve. Um, hot take. Mark Wahlberg is the new Bruce Willis. I mean, depends on, I, do you mean going straight to DVD? Right. I don't know what you mean. But no, he isn't. In any way, she's doing straight streaming now. Um, essentially. Yeah, same type of thing. Let me see if I have some more here. Um, I do. Hold on. second and that is here so yeah the Bruce Willis one was the last one that came in from

jim one oh no not Jim one Jim one's got the next one um and that is from Jim who says mr. freeze what killed style was the ice age nice well it certainly was replaced with ice age joseph Sanchez I've been a Star Wars fan for my whole life I'm just not excited anymore I watch everything that comes out but ander is the only thing that gets me I feel the same. I'll be watching Skeleton crew, not excited for it, like John Wants a lot, hoping to be charmed by it. That's what I want. I want to be charmed by it. But Andor is the one I'm excited about. Manloorian and Grogu, I have, I have hope for it because I have hope in John Favro. Yeah, I am. I do feel like, yeah, go ahead, John. No, no, go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry,

buddy. I was just going to say I have a feeling it could be one of the best Star Wars movies. If it's done, if they let him, if they let him do his thing. And like the thing that scared me in that report, though, dude, was like looking at the old trilogy, like the Old Testament, like, that's the old ways. Don't do it anymore. It's like it's all, it's the core of it. You don't ignore end game and Infinity War and Captain America. It's the core of it. Yeah.

And any Bible reader will tell you, the New Testament is just as good as the Old Testament. So the fact that your New Testament isn't really coming close to the Old Testament. It's an incorrect analogy for God's sake. BAM 86. Lucasfilm is trying to create a formula for their content so it can be repeated forever just like Disney films. Andor is great, but it's not copy-paste content, 100%. Fans like that, execs don't. That's true. I mean, it's totally true. But it's also, like I said, there's more to. There's a reason why, this is what I will say, as much as we can say that Kathleen Kennedy has made all the bad decisions. Kathleen Kennedy was the one who called Tony Gilroy to do the indoor series. So, you know, she, she said, hey, you pretty much made Rogue One. You make a, series for us it's in my guessing that you there was a lot of notes from philoni and then they're like okay we'll do two seasons and then i'll lead into rogue one and we have that and let's just go with what you guys are doing over there on your side uh julius wyatt i was at the uGA versus

tennessee game the other night go dogs they can't can't beat a college football team game can't beat a college football night game yeah that's true so it really is that was one of my favorite things at school. Those nine games. It was great. Thank goodness. The Bills beat the Chiefs, just to lose to them in the playoffs. Oh, man. Let's see. Wow. Daynapper. Are there any movies that came out this year that you've already seen twice? I just rewatched Furiosa, still just good. Yes, I saw Beetlejuice. I saw Beetlejuice twice, and I've seen Furiousa twice. I saw Beetlejuice twice, but that was also because, well, I was talking about the theater. I saw it twice because I took my daughter.

to see it. If there's other ones, I saw Twisters twice because I watched it with my wife, that's usually what happens. I go and see the press screening. And then if I think it's something that either my kids or my wife will like, I'll watch it with them afterwards too. So that's one for sure. I'm sure there's some other ones that I watch. Dune two. For me, I've seen Dune two multiple times. Oh, yes, June two for sure. Does that fax? So yeah, I think you know I watched that Blake lively movie, by the way. I watched it. Well, my wife was watching it. So I, I, it's, it's, It's fine. It's fine.

Like I, what I will, did you watch it? You didn't see it. I won't say it. That's fine. It's a longer conversation. But I think that, you know, we should, let's save it until next week. Because I think it's a much longer conversation. Fine.

If we're going to talk about it, then I'll watch it. You should watch. If we're going to talk about it, then I'll watch. Yeah, why don't you watch it? Because we'll take, we'll do a longer conversation on it because there's, there's, there's, like, 50 different controversies of that movie. So, kind of, after seeing the movie, we can dive into, like, what I thought it was. Because the main controversy,

was the same thing that the book got. And it's like the fact that it was that they said it was kind of glorifying domestic violence, which I don't believe the movie was. I just don't. After watching it, I don't. I do, I think there's many different levels of people that are involved in situations like this. I think there are people who are just absolutely monsters who come home to do these

whether and just people who are alcoholics or people who do other things of people who are monsters that come and do these things. And there are also, there are people who cannot control their anger do these things. they're and they've done the wrong thing and their spouses should get the hell out of there right and they realize oh i can't believe i did this i'm so sorry i'm so sorry and they legit mean it but it's like but you keep doing it fucker right and it's like you're and that is what i think this movie does now the other stuff with blake lively and all these other things you know that's a different situation that we'll get into when we talk about it but go see the movie i'm curious what you think

oh yeah um prizy empire strikes back is number one two don't do this to me right now. Don't do this to me. I don't have the strength of this conversation. One, Empire Shakes Back, two, The Last Jedi. I'm out. I'm out already. Three, Revenge of the Sith, four, Rogue One. These are my top four Star Wars movies. I get my assverably, whenever I tell people. Fair enough. Lifelong Star Wars in my late 20s. Fair enough. I just, that's a movie to me, that last year this gets worse and worse every time I see it. And I, I didn't mind it. I didn't mind it the first time. The first time I saw it, first time I saw it, I didn't even tweet about it. I was like, I don't know what I just saw.

And then I went and I saw it a second time. When I saw it the second time, I was like, okay, I think I tried to convince myself. And then I watch it for like rewatches. And then I watched it for another rewatch for this channel. I really, I think I hate that movie. I think I hate it. And I know, but, but, well, this is the thing that you, this is the difference, though. Here's the difference.

I don't hate Ryan Johnson. I think Ryan Johnson is a great filmmaker. I just don't like that one. I like Knives Out. I love Looper. I love, yeah, I love some of the episodes he's done for Braille. breaking bad. I don't feel the people who are like, oh, he ruined. He should never do anything ever again. He's the worst. Like, no, I just don't want to see him to do. I would be hesitant to see him

do Star Wars again. I just would, unless it was a separate thing altogether and still even that, I'm like, no, no, no, but I like to see his other stuff. I just don't, this whole notion of like, oh, because they did this one thing for my property, I don't like, then they should never do anything ever again. That's silly. Some of these breaking bad episodes were the best ever. Fair point. It was Osamandias, whatever it was called. Orion. The High Republic is ending in 2025.

I thought it was over already. Have you all heard any rumors about what comes next? No, and I hate to say this, Orion. I don't care. It's like, you know, I just don't care. It's like the books, the books have now, the books are apparently unwell for people, but they're not paid attention.

It goes back to those people who I think should be protected, working in the books and all those things should be lined up with people who actually care about the stuff that they're doing i mean the accolite was supposed to like launch that stuff the high public right yeah yeah the high republic and it just kind of fell flat yep yeah it did for sure um okay next one and this is the callie kid what are john's thoughts on anora i haven't seen it i'm seeing it today i have the because i'm on critics choice now this first time i've experienced having the app yeah so like it's insane apps new apps new yeah yeah it's why Well, this is amazing.

There's like 10 movies that I can catch up on this week that I'm so, so happy. I don't have to go to a theater to see because I just, I feel the desire to go theater is less and less. Same. I sat next to a couple in Gladiator 2 at a press screening. A press screening. In Press Row, these two young influencers in San Diego talked through the whole movie. And I don't mean, I mean, what do you think is going to happen next?

Oh, my God, why to do that? And the homie had an icy, and he kept shaking it. for 15 minutes to get the most out of his icy. And you know me, my reaction is to yell at them, but I couldn't. So I just walked out after a while. So,

Che, that Tyson fight was like watching Shamu at SeaWorld. Roker, you, Roker, you seen with Nail and I? With Nile. Yeah,

the old school Richard E. Grant, never better. It's on Criterion. Is it pretty good? Yeah. If you want to see some old school, Richard E. Grant,

that's the one that, like, announced him for the first time. Yeah. Um, Mumrah. Cobra Guy part two is Buckwild. I loved it. Better than one.

Good to know. Apparently it goes, it's really over the top. I'm curious to see it. I do want to say that. They should all be in jail for God's. That's probably the one that I'm going to do the reactions to, I think. Okay.

Yeah. Masey's world. Which means. Music by John Williams doc on Disney Plus was amazing. That's one I want to see also. That's also on the app. Yeah. I've heard great things about that.

Yeah, I want to see it. I mean, it's John Williams, best of all time. He's a goat. All right. Next one, and this one comes in from our buddy Shea, Shea Markell. Yeah, the link still isn't working. Sorry, it's not working? I don't understand.

Let me try that again. I'm looking at it, and it's working just fine. All right, here's what I'm doing. I'm going to put it in the, now Shay, I'm posting it in the chat and tell me if that works. I don't understand. All right, let's see. And now we have this next question coming in, and it is from, Our good friend, you've seen him before, you know him.

This is absolutely not me delaying looking for chats, and it is Armada. Mayweather versus Tyson. Tyson wants to fight him. Come on, no more. Let's just, let's stop. And I was never, even in his prime, I was never a Mayweather fan. Put the old man out in the chair already, enough. They both are at this point.

Shea Markell, am I the only one interested in I Am Legend 2? No, I think that if you promoted, if you did a good trailer for, you can get some excitement with that one right yeah i guess yeah yeah good promotion i'm not i'm not one of these people that religiously loves this film so if you do a second one you have to do some good promotion to get me on board because michael b right and and will i think that's yeah uh p parker i'm not as familiar with 70s carlin okay fair enough yeah i i have the picture of him on from that night on the wall he looks dead on just like him just do a picture do it do a a Google search of George Carlin, 1975 Saturday Night Live, and you'll see.

The Billy Chris doctor was great, too. I agree. Never seen that actor before. Also, yeah, Beth from Yellowstone, Roxy versus Roca. Let's make it happen. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, here's Beth promoting it. Hey guys, come and watch this, or I'll come to your house and burn your house down. It's so tough. I'm really, I can't wait to talk to Roxy tomorrow. It's so tough. I talk like this because I'm tough. We're going to have better promotion for this debate than the Paul and Tyson fight. might have buried big balls in his backyard in a giant's helmet that's true i'm on a bit buried that little chipmunk he's back there stinking up the joint Tommy devedo is going to go after him

yeah i could see that happening they need to rescue him shame arkell i think the jake paul stuff is a little fun to me i just look at this as lower tier celebrity boxing yeah that's what i was saying not real competitors that's kind of cool to um yeah i mean it's exactly what i thought they shouldn't hype it as a legitimate like fight no but they have to dirty mother dm t i am not a fan of mark ryle Lance casting for Dumbledore. It would be iconic if Ray Fien's was cast or maybe even Bill Nye or Jonathan Price. I don't know. I think Mark Rylance could get it done. They want a different harder-edged Dumbledore. And I think Rylens is the choice for that reason. He can be tender what he wants to be, but he can actually be quite sharp what he wants to be as well. So I think that's the choice.

Plus he's like, he's royalty. And in essence, he will train the actors on the set. You're getting two for one because Rylance has trained actors for years. in England. So you'd get a two-for-one if you cash these young actors working with an actor like Mark Rylance and give them tips and make them feel comfortable and kind of help the director do their job as well. Do you do a Tyson impression? Tyson, like Mike Tyson? Someone said what a Seinfeld and Tyson think of big balls. I don't know. I just say, I don't know. I can do that. What's the deal with that little skunk? I mean, why is he here? I mean, come on. Don't rub you. Don't rub you both on my faith. I don't appreciate it.

I don't appreciate it. Shane Markell. I mean, how fun would it be to see the Rocks? The Rock Box, Terry Cruz. Celebrity Death Match in real life would be really fun to watch without real injuries. The Rocks versus Tyree is the fight. Tyrese. The Rock versus Tyrese is the fight.

You know, Tyree, he'd kill Tyrese. DUI Champ. Brother Roca, the Dune show had the exact same technology, fashion, politics, and political families as the movies, which are supposed to happen 10,000 years in the future. No advance. What the F. Hey, man, you guys want to see old school, you want to see this kind of stuff.

It's the way it's set up. They want people who are familiar with the world to jump into it. That's what they want because if they said it 10,000 years, technology is different. People get lost, I think. Shane Markell, I pay 80 bucks to watch Drake and Kendrick Box. A lot of people would. Yeah. Hank Pim, favorite era of Schmo's No Show.

I really love the era with the blue-black color schemes. I don't remember which one that is. Also, thoughts on Travis Fimel. He plays a great weirdo. Which one's Travis Femmel? I know. Oh, on, he's in, he's in Dune. He plays the guy in Dune that's kind of has powers to.

Oh, in the new. Oh, yeah, he was in the, what's it, the Warcraft movie? Yes, he was. I interviewed him. I interviewed him before. So, oh, that was the other, that was the reason why. The Amazon thing, they didn't, it didn't update before when they did it. Oh, okay.

Anyway, so I like him. I want to see how he is in Dune for sure. And as far as my favorite era, Shmo's, Tote Hop. Tote Up was my favorite error. That's the right for slapping JT era. Yeah, it was the pipe. I was told somebody that yesterday. That was the most radio that the show was.

And I never was able to recapture that feel because after that went down. That was my favorite era for sure. Yeah. I think that we got that more now than then. I would still, I put Toad Hop in this show as my two favorite things. I would have changed so many different things about how all that was run if I could do it over again. Mike Joyce became a member for a month. Thank you, Mike Joyce.

Learn to embrace the weekend 10 a.m. matinees Roka saw a real pain all alone yesterday and it made it home in time to watch the start of Red Zone. Oh, nice. Yeah, except I have a girlfriend and I have a partner rather than I have to spend time with her as well. like it's there's a lot of pressure on me a lot of keeps a lot of shows i'm doing you know i can't always get out like i used to but i hear you mike i did i love going to theater to a by myself or when nobody's in there the callie kid thoughts on gangs in new york it's my favorite scurcese film i have to go back and revisit it i haven't seen it in quite a while but i remember liking it when i saw it did you not like that one i don't like okay after the after the opening fight

it's a it's a terrible thing like in my opinion the the acting the the writing the direction i think it's one of his worst movies but if you love it i'm not you know back and i can go back and see it um okay Cameron larson don't think jake is going to fight art art art art art her i don't know i'm not sure um not sure who he's going to fight next but that's that's it we got 46 today john who's uh so sorry you guys 46 for today and then but unfortunately we couldn't get there today sorry today's all right but tomorrow Roxy will see if she can at least take you out that way. So, oh, 47, I apologize. Do you, I champ says, oh, 48.

Now, see, they don't want you to leave. Do you our champ, that's a movie about the, about the U.S. 10,000 years from now where the Trump, Bush, Obama, and Kennedy families are still arguing about the role of, oh, that's like a movie about, I got it. That's like a movie about the 10th, about, yes, that's, okay, let me read that again. That's like a movie about the U.S. 10,000 years from now, where the Trump, Trump, Bush, Obama, and Kennedy families are still arguing about the role of government. Got it. Got it. Okay. If you think what we're doing now is different than what we did back in the Revolutionary War areas, you didn't pay attention to history class.

Go back and watch the documentary on PBS on the Roosevelt era. They were calling Roosevelt a Hitler in the Roosevelt era, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. So go back and do your history, guys. We're repeating the same patterns for decades and decades and decades and decades. There's nothing new that we're doing now that we didn't do back then. Power families have always tried to control the presidency. That's the game. Che. Will Ange, Postagulu win a trophy at Spurs?

No. Not unless it's a Carabelle Cup. That's the only thing he has a chance of ever winning. He's not the right guy for them. Shea Markell, favorite Taylor Sheridan movie for him is, is Wind River. Good one also. Wind River's good.

This is really good. I should revisit. I haven't seen that one or a wild. It's really good. The Dart, 005. Roka, I've got a flat butt for a Latino guy. tips that's a call my girlfriend claims i don't have a butt at all so i can't give you any tips but uh watch those videos of like bailey and the other lady um live morgan they do great tips with the uh

series of working out for how to get a little shape a little rump in your dump there so do you still not like live morgan or you like you're better now as a wrestler i don't like her i think she's a great personality but as a wrestler i still think she's middling in her skills man yeah it's good i mean when you look at bailey and sasha and these and becky like she doesn't come close to that it's good that they it's good that they have the uh the strap on her this long though it's good yeah it has helped it worked out in the end you didn't need to put it on rhea right now she'll get it back but you don't need she's like triple eight she doesn't need it what was the what was the wrestling real quick what was the point and maybe i maybe i know the

answer this maybe it's a bloodline answer of giving jay the title just to give it right back to braine was it was so dumb and everyone's so like oh this is great like there have been a few missteps there are people who are thinking and looking at this logically who are not caught up in the fandom because w w just wants you to be a blind fan there are legitimate analysis and criticism of this that is questioning how they're positioning this especially if seth now goes on the team with roman it makes no sense just because bronson reed has joined the bloodline it makes no sense so Johnson Reed joined their bullet? Yeah, over the weekend at Smackdown, he turned on Roman and is now part of Bloodline 2.0.

But how is he, is he related to them at all? I guess Sammy wasn't either, right? He looks Samoa in the size and stuff and the strength. But you look at the other side and it's like, well, they got to bring in Seth now because Seth and Bronson are feuding. And I think they brought Bronson in so they get Seth in and make it work. But storyline wise, it's starting to somewhat fall apart, in my opinion, which is a shame. Yeah, I haven't really watched it too much. Julius Wyatt other than Daniel de Lewis gangs of New York sucks

Julius Wyatt says yeah I don't even think DiCaprio's good in that movie I'll tell you who I didn't like in it back then was Cameron Diaz I didn't like Cameron Diaz in it back then he's miscast like crazy she can't do drama her any given Sunday she's terrible in any given right she's just not built to do drama she's a great comedic actor she's not built to do drama it's not her thing yeah I got her back and watch on one I haven't seen it in quite a while um that's it we did it no okay so thank where you and every time i say that someone else put something else in there uh shay mark hell again did wrestling ever pretend to be real or is that a debate among

casuals because as a kid i didn't know well first of all this is the thing that wrestling people will tell you and i will say the same thing yeah it's always real it's real now it's scripted now the question is did wrestling ever pretend to be not scripted or was that the debate because as jericho says and other people say getting smashed around and you're body getting dropped on things and blowing out your knees ain't nothing fake about that nothing fake about it um it's the action in the ring is real real yeah it's like stunt watching stuntmen do their thing it's predetermined but it's real um now as far as yes they did absolutely they hit it which was called k which was kfeb part of it was the moment you to believe that everything

that was happening and they didn't really start pulling back the curtain until i'd say the last like 10 years um well it was yeah but it there were cracks because obviously when the chic and hacksaw Jim Duggan got arrested together in the same car but we didn't have the internet back then right it was just the dirt sheets or those little magazines that they would come up with at their mom and pop but yes they kept that illusion going until about the 90s and then things kind of changed in the 90s right and it's like recently out yeah now they've now they interview the you see them interviewing people they're interviewing them like they're in a movie like the same way when you interview if Natalie Portman here to talk about her role in

the new or to read talk about the professional what it was like working on the professional she talks about oh it's the same thing what they do now they oh when I worked on that match we did this and right beforehand they never used to do that and it's weird though too because I remember the same thing with dealing with this with Schmodeown was that in Schmodown it was like they would have the people would talk about behind the scenes and these other things and they're like well what should I believe and then in an interview they would be talking smack about somebody but the same time complimenting and they do the same thing I see someone on a podcast like Dominic was just on Chris Van Vleet not too long ago and he would like he didn't know

you know he's like the big heel but he didn't know really what you didn't know what to take him serious or were to take him not it was he in character was he not so when he's talking about Michael Cole and it's fun but it's it's it's tough it's blurred the lines I think that's one of the things that has hurt wrestling was the the loss of K-fabe I do yeah but we're old school guys I don't know maybe the new fans like that because you know they like that they're they're appreciating them as characters but also that they can be open and have these conversations because we didn't used to get heels going on podcast and talking about their current programs and their points of views on it all so yeah depends that's it all right now we get again with 52 that's good john

quick plug where can they find you yeah go find me at the roca says on twitter instagram and tic talk the outlaw nation on twitch i'm gonna start playing more games going live please follow me on tic talk i'm going to start doing more live stuff on tic talk as i see it's blowing up and stuff And also my channel, YouTube, YouTube.com slash John Roka says the Outlaw Nation. And before you go, before you leave. Oh, yeah. Before you leave. Haskell threw one in there.

We've seen a lot of, what's up? We've seen a lot of boxing movies. Why do you think we haven't seen one about Jack Johnson and boxing back that went 70-90 rounds? Didn't, didn't James Earl Jones play Jack Johnson? Yeah, that was in the Great White Hope. That was the 1960s based on the play. But there's also a great documentary that Ken Burns did. Unforgivable blackness, I think it's called.

and it's so incredible that documentary. There's probably a number of reasons, rights issues, and interest from the studios. Right. You know, I don't know if necessarily people are interested in going back in time for a period piece about the first black heavyweight champion. And now in such racially charged times and what happened after the election,

you probably don't want to see it for a long time, probably. All right. Well, thank you, John. Thank you to everybody here. Appreciate you guys. Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere, podcasts are found. Check out the Clips channel. If you haven't watched my reaction,

that I did with Sam about the, about Iron Man we did a full reaction on that we're watching the MCU we have tons of stuff happening here so make sure if you haven't already subscribe to the channel all right thank you guys so much for being here I really appreciate it we'll be back tomorrow on the live show with myself and Roxy perhaps Brett all right thanks everybody bye-bye