The Kristian Harloff Show - UAP/UFO Phenomenon: If Aliens do exist, how would human kind react?

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Join the website here! http://www.thekristianharloff.com Since the UAP/UFO hearings, conversation has gone more mainstream regarding the subject. David Grusch revelaed in the hearing that non-human spacecraft has been recovered as well as non-human bodies. The question has always been, do aliens exist? If there is a major cover up, the reason has always been because the public wouldn't be able to handle it. Is that true? Coud human beings handle it or would there be mass panic and fear? Also, for as many new believers out there, there are tons of (rightfully so) skeptics. However, what are the facts? We also discuss the piece that came out against Grusch which could read as a spear campaign. Peru, Malasia case and more on this episode of The Big Thing with Kristian Harloff and special guest  @ATTACKPETER   #ufo #UAP #aliens #grusch 

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still information coming out about the UAPs and what's happening after those hearings. And the question is what they tried to do, the smear campaign with David Grush and didn't have any effect. We'll talk about that. Riley's not in today. Riley will be back next week, but I got Attack Peter for the whole show. So we'll be talking to him. There's some video about potentially the Malaysia plane.

Is it real? Is it a hoax? We don't know. We'll talk about some other things, theories, but as you saw in the title, the question is, let's say hypothetically, whether you believe or you don't believe, that whatever these UAPs, UFOs are, let's say hypothetically, it is we find out that it's other life, it's extraterrestrial life. How do you think the world would handle it? How do you think humankind would handle it? We're going to talk about all that and more. So once again, if you haven't already done it, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, everywhere podcasts are found.

Let's get into it. It's myself. It's Attack Peter. It's the big thing. Let's do it. That's right, everybody. It is the big thing. As I mentioned, Mark Riley, not here on Tuesday.

But if you have been tuning into the show, you know that we, a couple of weeks ago we had on my buddy Attack Peter. He has been so kind to join me here as a great artist. Attack Peter. What's up, man? How are you? What's up, dude? Happy to be here. Yeah, happy to have you, man. So we've been, it's funny because we know, we've always kind of thrown text towards each other and, you know, caught up with each other.

See how we're doing post and even during the skybound era. But now we've kind of found a new bond inside of all this stuff. Yes, and thank God because I think some of my friends and family are tired of hearing me talk about it. So now I just save it for this. Same, same 100%. And it's funny because we'll talk about that and more. And for people who are tuning into this show for the first time or really, reoccurring. The idea of what we wanted to do here on Tuesdays is that, I mean, I think Peter might be a little bit more, I don't say locked in, but definitely has been following the story a lot longer than I have. I always been curious about it, but my point of view is more so like the everyday person that is kind of listening more about the facts and those things, because I think that that's what more people are going to do and need to do, is that like it's, I don't know if you noticed them. And yes, I,

agree with you that there are times that I talk about it with my friends and family and they're just like, oh, here we go. And I'm becoming like the alien guy or whatever, even though you're talking about UFOs. But I will say more and more people are talking about it. Now, I don't know if it's just going to be just right now because it was in the news because of the hearings, but it does seem like a little bit of a shift. Am I wrong? No, I think certainly people are less thrown off by it. I think what always has existed is people don't know how to talk about this. Right. Because, you know, and I throw myself into that too.

I sometimes don't know what it even is that we're really getting into. I just know that I have a strong curiosity, whether this ends up being total nonsense or like totally legit. It's fascinating either way. And I just love talking about stuff like this because it's just, to me, it's fun. And then it might be the most important thing of all time. I mean, yeah. It's true. It's definitely the most important thing of all time. We have so much stuff to talk about. And that's the other thing I was talking about my wife about it. I was like, yeah, we're just, I'm getting into really diving into this. We made it a show on Tuesday. She's like, well, how long do you think that you're going to be able to talk about this? I could talk about this every day, five days a week. And I don't think it's ever going away. This is 80 years of stuff just in general.

And one of the things I thought about even doing not necessarily on today's episode, but down the line is like, I've talked about that O'Hare incident so many different times. You do a full episode on the O'Hare incident. You can do a full episode on the O'Hare incident. You can do a full episode. full episode talking about the Hudson episode. You can do all these things that have happened that case. You can really just talk about that because I think what's important about that is that that's the type of stuff that started to convince me. Because as I've told people, again, I'm repeating myself if you've been watching me the last couple of weeks on this, but if you haven't, I was always curious and I always believed that there were things going on out there that we weren't being told about.

And I was very, I thought it was silly to think they were the only things in the universe, right? However, I was always thinking like, oh, that'd be fun, look at the ancient alien show and, you know, on History Channel. But it was that series, man, the UFOs investigating the unknown, that five-part series that really takes the cast of characters from this community. Because if you start to pay attention to the UFO community, you see a lot of the stuff, whether it's James Fox or Leslie Keene or Stephen Greer, or the more and more you hear about, these people, you start to see there is this, this, this, the hierarchy of this community, you know. You know, it's funny is I always try to, you know, especially when you started covering it, it made me start to think about the analogs, uh, in the pop culture coverage community and where we're all talking about the same thing, you know, week to week day to day, but there

are certain voices that are more credible. There are certain voices that kind of like filter it through better. And, you know, why I was excited that you were starting to cover it is that I know you're not like emotionally attached to anything. You don't have like any stake in the game. You're just interested like I am. And I think people relate and resonate to that and because that's the way we should approach it. Like, you know, when we talk about the SAG after strike on shows, like we don't know what's going to happen, but it's interesting and it could be very impactful. So this is just one of those things.

And having someone aggregate it, filter it, and put it forward like, guys, I don't have a dog in this fight. I just think it's interesting. And we should probably start breaking it down because like you said, and I'm honestly with there with you. Like I've been paying attention for a long time. But it's only recently that I started to go, okay, what exactly has been going on? That documentary you talked about is excellent.

And it gets us all kind of like at the same starting point to say, okay, going from here, it's like if you're listening to a murder mystery podcast where we're like, this has already been established. We're just going to try to break it down and see if we find out anything. Yeah, that's right. And I had my buddy on the other show. buddy DJ Woldridge who is is just a great he's great dude right he really is and he's like my

screening buddy because when i see him at movie screenings he's always sitting in in the back i love sitting in the back away from people and we always just kind of like bond over there right but he's like a full-on skeptic like full-on skeptic which is which is fine and i've said this many times over i think being skeptic a skeptic on anything is healthy as long as you have the information and the right stuff to back it up as there's as long as you're not a blind believer and you're not a blind skeptic like that's exactly that's the thing you have to go into this thing and that's one of the things that i wanted to do on this show was to give people who did believe a safe space to go look man i'm not like there are people i've found so far since doing this show that there are people

who have been locked into this forever that are so deep into that's all they think about and i and i encourage those types of people to come in here and give us and they're sending us links and telling us things like i love that then there's other people like you and i're like i don't know i just think that there might be something out there i do believe it the more i learn and then there's other people who are like, I don't know, man, it's just there's nothing out. Every time I say there's grainy footage or there's this, there's nothing and there's, but they're watching. It's the people that, like, and this is my buddy, DJ, who I use an example, I bring up, like,

well, what do you think about if you don't believe that what, can you explain any of the O'Hare thing? I don't know what the O'Hare thing is. I'm like, okay, well, what about when they, when the reports of the guys that were working in the nuclear facility in the 60s, when all the nukes just shut off, they saw something in flow, I don't, I don't know anything about that. I'm like, well, you can't, you can't, you got to have the conversation. You can be a skeptic and go, well, well, here's my reason. I think that what made it happen there instead was this, because James Fox was on some show

recently with a bunch of skeptics. And there was one guy that was actually, and James actually apologized to him because James came off pretty defensive. And the guy's like, no, no, I like your work. I watch your stuff. But like I, and the guy watches the stuff. He just didn't, he doesn't believe. And he had reasons and why he thought.

And I was like, I encourage people like that. But then there was another guy in the show that just had this face. The whole time. And he probably didn't watch anything. And it's like, that's this stuff. I can't get, I can't engage in conversations with people who don't have, who don't pay attention to it. You can watch a whole full documentary and then we can then say, I'm on this side.

I'm on this side. I love those conversations because you can't, you don't, you have to have my sense, my, my point of view. That's just, that's just not healthy. Yeah, for the record. And for my whole life, my favorite conversations about, are usually about, interesting topics that don't have solid clear answers and my favorite people to talk about them with are people who come from a totally different perspective and potentially change my view on something

I don't like sitting around people who just say yeah agree agree I agree it's fine but it's not engaging not entertaining I don't grow from that so I like being challenged on it and and again if this whole thing ends up I think where there's smoke there's fire generally and even if this is all ends up being BS I think that That's fascinating and important, too, because it'll be one of the biggest moments where the public can say, that we just get, like, taken for a ride for a specific reason. Yes, the biggest BS, the only, at least in my opinion, of everything that I've seen so far, of all this stuff that I've watched, the biggest BS thing that I could see coming out of this,

which is still factual proof it would be if this turns out to be what it is, is that extraterrestrial life has not visited this planet in years and has not been here in years, but what those things are, a reverse engineered thing that the government has been working on since the 40s or since the 50s, and we have been using it. And we have access to it when we have like a cover up that where it was like, we could be helping the environment. We could be helping this stuff.

That to me would be as big of a story as if they're still visiting now, which a lot of people say that they still are. But that's the type of thing, like, because what I don't, what I don't understand is when someone goes, well, there's nothing out there. Well, what is it? Right, right. You don't have the answer to follow up. They never follow up. They never go, oh, it's just, it's just other equipment. But like, again, my friend DJ is like, well, that's just, it's just probably other government.

I don't trust our government that we don't have it. Yeah, but how does the human body then of so many different people have witnessed say in the thing that goes like this and flips a business? And we would be able to. But even if they were, even if they were unmanned drone type technology, right? Which is possible. Sure. It's like that's another thing. Like, you know, you now are saying that the government or private corporations at work,

whatever end of the being has kept technology from the people that could change our planet, change our life. You know, to make it a silly personal example, I just did five trips for work in two months. And it was hellish having to deal with some of the airport. stuff and the delays and one of the planes overheated and it ruined the whole trip. Forget about it. You know, it's like we're on this dated ancient technology because nothing has changed in years and years and years in air travel.

Imagine if that's the case and the only reason they're holding it back is to keep an upper hand on rival countries or whatever it is. That would be a huge bummer, man, you know? I mean, it would be. And it's also not surprising because if you believe, I mean, look, there's so many different reports out there. And again, this is why I always encourage people to either be. the skeptics, leave, leave their comments on it because I saw something recently.

You and I were just talking about. Like, what's your overall thought on Stephen Greer? I, the full disclosure, I do like watching him talk from time and time. But when I watch it, it's kind of, if I'm being honest, it's kind of like a guilty pleasure of what is this guy talking about? He kind of fits in ancient aliens type thing. Yeah. And I also, you know, I've always been very dismissive of that as like, oh, I'm sure that's fun and entertaining, but I don't have time. is probably nonsense.

So I kind of put that in there, although I'm willing to be proven wrong if I'm wrong about that, I don't get a sense that there's any like nutrition in those conversations. Like it feels like empty calories when I listen to it because it's a lot of major, you know, claims without really much in the way of evidence. And I'm okay with that if it's a very credible source. Or what's under oath or what's under oath in the...

Right, right. And even under oath, like, it's possible that someone could be manipulating stuff. There have been people who have perjured themselves for many reasons in the past. So it's not that that's like the defining moment, but you have to earn that credibility over time. And unfortunately, I feel like there's not enough yet. I'm not saying it's total BS or whatever, but I don't get my gut feeling is that that I can't take anything away from that guy just yet. And I will, like I said, full disclosure, I want to believe it. Did you watch his doc?

I've watched, I've watched him on a bunch of things. I've seen there was a he's at multiple docs. I've seen one where he's talking about that he can summon the craft and he takes people out to a field and they're apparently summoning UFOs or UAPs over them. And then so they show a camera, a footage of the sky and they're all sitting around like on lawn chairs. And he goes, if you just everybody meditate and then like what looks like a shooting star happens. And if you could even summon a shooting star, that would be impressive. But I don't know what I'm looking at, you know.

Right. So the thing was I have with Greer is I have a lot of. different. He does seem he makes some outrageous claims. I mean, he's got some, I mean, there's one there he's talking about like how that he talked to somebody inside of this program that if you can imagine anything

inside of Star Trek technology that the government has access to it. So you're talking about teleportation and all these types of and I don't know. I don't know, but what the only thing that I, that I, when I start to when I think about Stephen Greer in general is it's just

there's not a lot of people out there. I know there's people who say he's not not legit this but he's worked with clinton he's worked with and from and from what apparently he he said he wrote a lot of the questions that perch bertchette and a lot of these guys asked at the hearing were questions that he wrote to ask them i want to believe him i do feel like wouldn't bertchette say that's bullshit if that wasn't the case wouldn't burchette come out and go what the hell's stephen graham talked to i know but i also and And I'm happy that Burchett's there, but I also feel like in my gut, if I'm going devil's advocate against myself. Yeah.

I feel like those people, those are two, I get a gut instinct that they are. Me, me, me, me, look at me. That's it. Maybe, but also more like that if I wanted to manipulate someone, I would manipulate someone who wants to believe and wants to, you know, in other words, I wouldn't have to show too much. I agree with. I agree. I listen. Sure, but there's a difference between manipulating someone wants to believe and then getting them to be able to ask your questions to the pilots.

I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Greer clearly has some kind of background that makes them credible in those circles. But also, like, we live in a world where we know that, you know, our government has done things like MK Ultra and, you know, put soldiers and, you know, up to stuff with experimental testing on hallucinogens. In other words, like, it wouldn't blow me away. I'm not saying this happened. It wouldn't blow me away if he was like some kind of patsy to go out there and feed other internal people like Burchett information that compromises all of them because you could be, you could end up just proving it at some point if you needed to. That's just that's just super devil's advocate.

I'd be happy to know that he wasn't full of it because he does seem it's hard. it would be hard to lie as consistently as he does with such a depth of detail and information. Like that's unlikely too. You know, I'm kind of in the middle of them. Yeah, well, I answer my question a lot of times when I talk about like Favor or Graves, right?

Those guys strike me as super credible. I don't have that. 100%. Like when I, and Grush, when I talk about those three guys, it's like to me, when I say,

what do they have to gain here? And people are like, oh, they can write books. Fraver hasn't written shit. And by the way, he didn't need this to write a book. If he wanted to write a book about his career, I'm sure, especially on the heels of Top Gun.

Real Maverick, yeah. Yeah, he didn't have to do shit. And so he probably compromised his ability to do that if he wanted to now with a certain audience. 100%. And he could. And he has it. Look, Graves has a podcast. But Graves podcast is just bringing attention to this in the same way that we're doing it.

right so and and if you're going to listen to somebody who you really want to know more about the facts of you're not going to listen to me talk about you're going to listen to graves and great i mean like graves has his own podcast so like and you know he probably and he does he probably monetizes it and does what and fine fine but he's getting the information out there so there's a difference and he's not making hand over fist on on on the whole but the stephen greer aspect is the one where i can say like he has turned this into doing lectures and doing all these things and everything too. So I can understand if someone's like, well, this guy is in it for for the money or this too. I'm not saying that's what it is. I'm saying I can understand it because there's some shit that he says sometimes. I'm like, well, this stuff is true. It's crazy. He's talking about how the government's planning to do a, they're gearing up to do a fixed alien invasion with the with the technology that they've been in reverse engineering for the last 70 years and they want it and they want the public to feel like it's like it's under attack. So that way we it's like the shit that he's claiming is control. But the same, that's when I then asked myself a question, if he's bad shit crazy or if he's

just full of shit, then why, why is he still locked into the circles and there are people still taking his phone calls? You know, it's like, there was one guy. I can't remember who the guy was. There was some guy who's very locked into this stuff. I can't remember his name, but like, and he posted, they had invited him on, I think News Nation or the Hill or something like that. And then he retweeted it out. It's like, I, I spoke too soon. They, they canceled my appearance. because I guess he was just too, if you had him on, he would, you'd probably seem a little bit too out there. You know what I mean?

Because there's other people like Russ Cobert and people like that that are, that are letter locked and that people are starting to take really serious. And I can't tell where people land on rear yet. I don't know. So I'll say two things. To steal man him, right, to give him some credibility, there is something that called Project Blue Beam, not Blue Book. Yes.

You know, so Blue Beam, if I'm remembering correctly, and I'm sure someone will correct me if I got this wrong. essentially is a at least if it's not declassified it's at least leaked or whatever it was uh government document that that essentially said that our military was planning to use holographic projections of christ coming back uh you know to earth a mohammed appearing or alien UFO ships projected in a battlefield over the enemy to distract them and freak them out so they'd be easy to, you know, overcome. So that's something that I think people can search for themselves and see that that is a real thing that was entertained, right?

It's crazy. But suddenly, him saying that it's not so crazy. Like, you know, you could see it. Like the government is trying to. And by the way, like, based on our history where, you know, we've gone to war for things that end up not being the real reason we go to war for. Yeah, I could see it. I could see that that would be a fun one to do to use. Like, hey, listen, we got a fun, you know, like that was something that I heard,

uh, talked about this week. Like, you know, if you have an invested interest in space, you know, military, what, your space force, whatever it is, you know, you know, you need an enemy so that you can rally the people behind you to spend on such a thing. And then the other thing I'll say to, to then, you know, uh, just, I guess straw man, uh, Greer is there, there's always a, person in the conversation that you don't want on your side, right? Like, if this person agrees with me, I'm going to look worse, right?

Even if they're saying all the right things and agreeing with all your points and backing you up, it actually hurts your argument if such a person agrees with you. There's a guy out there, David Ike, that people always refer to when they want to say that certain government or certain conspiracy theories are total BS, right? Well, look, oh, you sound like David Ike now. the guy believed in the reptilian people and all this stuff like that right right right and he said he was jesus who come back it was a whole thing and so those people out there get people who are on the fence or skeptics to stop paying attention because oh this is crazy talk so i think there's a there's a world

where greer could be a useful tool in an in a uh uh counterintelligence operation i see what you're saying because it's like if you know if you get those people like again using my buddy dj as an example Let's say DJ watches those five parts to where inside of those five parts of that documentary, it's not really about, hey, we're going to, and even Burchett said it. It's not about trying to convince you that little green men exist. It's about trying to find her out, find out what's safe in our airspace. That is what this was all about. And that's what people want to know in general. But then Greer is full on like, no, there's, there's been aliens here for years and this and that. So if you're my, if you're DJ and you watch those five parts, and you're like, okay, I have questions. It's interesting. But then then you turn on the next thing you see is Stephen. Greer and Greer's just like, yeah, then you can go, I know, this is too much for me because the question does remain. And I think that it's a fair question for everybody who asks is that it's always like these grainy picture, right? It's like with all the stuff that we have and all the technology that we have, my answer to that too is that who's, I mean, if you believe the reports is that there's full, clear on satellite people, what do we should have satellite pictures. We do. We just haven't,

they haven't been released. There's some, the guy, the dude that was running that program that Leslie Keene first found. He was like, yeah, there's tons of clear photos. And so it's a matter of when those are going to be released. The thing that was interesting that I've seen not only from Greer and other people, too, that I do buy some, I think has some merit, is the fact that this is all coming out now, and the fact that everybody's talking about this now, and the fact that maybe it's one of these things where there's just so long with the advancement of technology before people really start getting clear-cut views, before somebody actually does

say, well, what the hell is this? And somebody finally live streamed something or something along those lines to where they go, well, we can't, that can't be hidden anymore. So they're getting it out in the public now to where it's like, because there's, I can't, I saw this other thing. Somebody sent me this thing where there is, I did, we covered that story last week, that there was, that the aliens are supposed to show up in 2027 or whatever. Right, right, right.

Yeah, and then, and then there was something that, you know, stuff like that, by the way. Because, like I said, I said last week, plans change. Yeah. It's like I, sorry, couldn't make it. I have a plan for my, my kid's birthday. It was supposed to be at 4 p.m. But last,

the guy that's going to play music called and said, I'm not available until 12. So we shift the thing to 10 o'clock. So it was no longer. So at one point, we thought it was going to be at 3. But now it's at 10. It feels like the whole 2012 and 2020 thing all over again.

You know, where it's like, don't give me, don't give me dates. No, exactly. It's like, it's, it's,

the first thing I want to see is, I just want to I just want them I think because here this is the end of what I think the main topic of the conversation would be before we go to our first break. But I do want to ask you this. Like let's say hypothetically, they more whistleblowers come back and we are going to talk about what happened to David Grush, which I think was just deplorable. And we'll we'll talk about all the whistleblowers that were like scared to see what was going to happen to them. if more people come out and more information comes out. And what I did agree with Stephen Greer, what he said, if there are these illegal facilities happening and these programs that are happening

and all these different places that are happening, you can't say, okay, now we're going to look for them because they're going to pack up and they're going to go somewhere else. It's just so silly. You got to raid them. And the one thing I thought was awesome that Greer did, whether it was just hyperbole or whatever it was. I thought it was hilarious.

And I thought it was baller. He's just like, I just want to say this. to anybody who are working at this facilities, when it comes time, don't resist. It's like, when they show up, don't resist. Don't fight back. Just put your hands on the desk. I'm like, that's amazing.

That's amazing. And so, but that's essentially what they would have to do, right? Like, they would have to do. And let's say, hypothetically, Peter, they do this. And they have clear cut evidence to where people like my friend DJ and people that you know, there is no longer a place where they can go, This isn't real. This is real. And there is, A, some kind of otherworldly ships, and B, proof that there are other, whether it's interdimensional, whatever it might be, that there is proof of other life. How do you realistically, realistically think that human nature, that humans, rather, not just in United States, humans are going to deal if proven, hypothetically, that life exists on the planet. How are we going to deal with that as a society?

I certainly think that this is how you would prepare a society, is a drip and a little bit boiling frogs, right? So by the time it happens, you would have less panic. Because I'll say this, if there was a decision to disclose, it would be a bad idea to do it abruptly all of a sudden. But if there was a slow, you know, drop of information. And I bet you there's a possibility that if this is. is really happening there are warring factions internally but i think it it comes i'm more concerned about the cultures that are more closely tied to dogmatic religion and and things like that because i've already heard people like in in my world you know where if if they are religious they're usually

either roman catholic or jewish and in in my part of the country and it's like i've heard people say like well, it doesn't challenge the scriptures or anything like that because those are all God's creatures. I'm like, okay, I guess that's a healthy take, you know, but I do think there are our concerns where if you suddenly realize we aren't the dominant species or do you now, it's like when you have a substitute teacher who you don't respect because they aren't the real teacher, like is there then giant amount of pushback against any kind of authority? I don't know. I used to think about it during 2020, during the riots and the pandemic and like, and like, is this an example of what would happen if something challenged people this way?

I don't know. I hope not. I hope it's a unifying force, frankly. You kind of hope that that's what it would be, right? You hope it would be unifying force, especially, look, the goal is that you would hope that it would be a peaceful thing. And you hope that these things would be more so of, of that they're so past the idea of trying to, like, what we do is so primitive in the fact that I can't remember this was what this Harvard professor was saying was that what human beings do is, We just try to throughout time conquer parts of land and become our own things and say and you have that land. We have this land.

We have our beliefs. You have this beliefs. Let's fight. You know, and it's like that we would hope is that these types of civilizations would be so far past that. And so that that would bring you to a place where you'd say, okay, let's learn more because what if they did? What's the question everyone always asks?

What's the meaning of life, right? Right. What if these fuckers have the meaning to it? Yeah. Or what if the meaning is? that like you you guys are an experiment you know like this is this is this is this stuff that's fun to talk about for me it jogs my brain in a way and it gives me and we're not saying it's factual or so it's just one of these things like you start to go into

a place and it's a mental exercise right how would people deal with that how would people really if it would change society i mean it would change society tremendously especially if you believe in the stuff that they say with the the fact that it that it has the opportunity You wouldn't need oil anymore for some of these things that these, the tech can do. You wouldn't need all these. The environment would change, these other things. Now, the thing that is fascinating to me, and this is factual, the amount of UAP sightings went up significantly. There have been reports of them throughout time, even during times when you, you know, during the Renaissance,

would they paint them in pictures and such shit like that. That's wild. It's wild. But the thing, though, it got an uptick during the, after the nuke test and after the nuke in general. I can't remember, and this might have been a Greer thing or something else too. I've seen so many different reports of where people have talked about like the actual, how the energy alone connected with quantum physics and all that, how it just sends a riffle if, doesn't know what you believe in.

Because the thing that I find most fascinating is the question that people, rightfully so ask is how the hell would these things be able to travel from a planet? Who knows how far away, considering how much time it would take them to do it? I buy into the theory that if these things do exist and if this thing is, if these things are real. The quantum physics of it all, the interdimensional side of it all, even as crazy and sci-fi as it sounds, makes more sense to me than people flying around from other planets through light years that would take years upon years upon years to get here i'll go one further on you that i think if this is real and if this is is to be believed that i would think that that our planet is like an embassy or like a hub

or like a you know an outpost and that there's probably some of them that are here and monitor us you know what i mean and so when those things happen they come out and check it out and Maybe they're, are they subterranean? Is interdimensional? I've heard all that stuff. But nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised about that because I just flip it around if it was us. Like, you know, I always talk about the Jane Goodall apes connection. Yeah, yeah.

You know, if we were studying another animal species, you know, or we were growing something in a lab, you try not to interfere with it to not create other variables. Right. So that's why they don't get involved. But it's, but, but, and it, and then you can understand as human beings. like every day we were so used to what we know and how you're just like this is just this is like something out of a movie however I will say that I think it is because of movies and because of the way that we're so tuned in the media and all these different things that that is why I think our society today would be more acceptable I agree of it because we've had all these different

kind of ideas in our heads and these things that have been built and the creativity of human beings that have been put out there before that it's not as is as crazy and surreal as it is it's not as foreign as it was in like 1946 right yeah we've closed the gap substantially a hundred percent so it's like it's fascinating it really is fascinating to see and and and i'm so and this is again why i love the i do love the comment section of this episode because it's like i will say right and i don't know how long this is going to last but it's been very like just intelligent great conversation in the groups of people who believe and people who don't who have the but even the people who don't they've been putting out really good like kind of arguments for it yeah and and

and the the main argument that i see that i can't that the one that i pushed back on is one i mentioned of like well this didn't happen why because i don't believe it yeah but but but go through the facts why not that's that's that's that's that's like um dogmatic as well it's like it's like if i i always try to catch myself when i'm getting too excited about it, right? And I say, calm down, separate yourself from it, look at it through, you know, a neutral lens. And I think it's more socially acceptable to be, um, you know, an extreme skeptic, you know, and I always say that I'm, I'm, look, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm Cuban American. My family comes from Cuba under Fidel Castro's regime. And I grew up with a

healthy distrust of all authority figures because of what I've heard growing up. So I'm always in the camp of like, I doubt, you know, what else is actually happening here? And this particular case has got me like really look in both ways because once the, you know, government officials started getting involved and trying to push the narrative forward, I'm like, man, is this a government official who's like tired of the BS and willing to just roll the dice and throw down? Or is this all some kind of opt to get us to not paying attention to something else? And like I said before, if it's the latter, that's a big deal too.

because it's the biggest and last card you can play. What other big card can you play after that? I agree, but the thing I've seen that, and I was going to say that the one, before I get to that, the one thing that I do understand, the one that I don't push back on as much, because I feel the same is,

well, let's get more than just a couple dots in the sky. I agree. Let's get more. Like, I think there's more to it when you look into it and you pay and you listen to all the different, like the thing that Ryan Graves said about the 5% only, documenting it 95% of these pilots who don't even document it and reported because they're worried about the stigma. I totally believe it. So all that stuff, like, that's what I mean,

look more into it. But I do understand of like, where's the actual photos with the stuff that I have? If I can get a lady screaming on a phone about this, how come I can't catch it? You know, with all the people there in the world with phones that we can't catch more. I get that argument for sure. We've talked about that too. Remember we, you know, we, I cited that example of number one, do you think it's impossible that? Or do people think it's impossible that advanced technology could also have a scrambler for your phone? You know, do you think it's impossible that those, that, that, that all the telecommunications companies that work in tandem with our government could be, you know, making sure that stuff doesn't get out? You know, like if something posted something, it cannot go up.

And then what would you have to do? Like, I tried posting and it didn't work. Now, you're a crazy person. You know what I mean? Like, right. Yeah, you get all over the of course. It's like, well, I try that. Of course that's what happened.

Right. But having said that, though, I am in the camp of like, we're getting really close to a shit or get off the pop moment on both sides. Agreed. Frankly. And I think people, and that's why I think the show is important and you doing this is important. And other people doing it is important. Because over time, it just becomes a meme. Like real change in our country's history and our in humanities history only ever happens when people as a culture, as a group, start to push for that.

change. It doesn't happen because a senator's, you know, provoses a bill or you vote for the right president or anything like that. It's only pressure. The institutions catch up to people. Yeah. You know, it's always been like that. I think it's just it's, we're too far past. It's a balloon. It's this. It's that. Yeah. It's just, we're just too far past that. I think there's got to be some kind of explanation. Even if it's a matter of look, if you're going to, if I think you got to have that conversation. Like, we either have to have the biggest scandal ever and show people that we found this shit years ago, but we don't have any other proof that they're coming here, or we got to let the cat out of the back. I think that it's because the other thing,

again, that has been rumored, predict is that people are, well, how do we not have a lock? How would they be able to run if you believe that these reports, this particular organization that's been running has more money than the United States alone, you know, from the way of the, I mean, and if you think about it, if this thing does exist in the way that they say that it does the, the organization of the cover up for the last 70, 80 years, if they found a way to keep themselves around for that long with all the kind of powerful people involved does it not outside the realm of possibility but what you were saying as far as the cover up goes or as far as not not cover up the uh the distraction angle of it all my only pushback with that is as

as i've said that many times in the comment section is when when someone was like well this could be a this i saw these two people on i think they're good reporters but they they come at at such a skeptic place these two reporters on the hill um and and every time some of the stuff they they clearly seem to me people who do have not watched the stuff they report on it all the time so i give them props reporting it all the time and they're interviewing everybody and they talk about it all the time there's this one is is a white dude and a black girl that that i know who you're talking about for the name and they're and they're they're really good reporters i mean really really good anchors rather um but they just they just seem like they're just

not they're just skeptics they've said it as much too and they report on it but like there's just certain ways that they they approach things and i'm like Like, I don't know. I don't know where they're coming from. You know, it's funny since you bring up the hill, I sent you before the show that link to the YouTube channel, Breaking Points. And those two anchors were the anchors from the hill. And they left the hill. And when they did, part of the reason they said they had to leave is because they were basically being told what they could say and what they couldn't say when it come to certain topics.

So to me, it's like once you have, if it's not an independent news, you know, organization that has some credibility built into it. I feel like it's at this point, all that stuff is National Inquirer to me. Yeah, but what I will say, though, about whether it's News Nation, the Hill, really the only two networks that are covering it in depth. Sure.

Like they're in depth. And so they had mentioned something about like, because what, and I think they asked the, the female anchor, like what, like what would the distraction be? because, and that's my question. It's like, is it Hunter Biden? Is it Trump?

Like what? We have the election year. Yeah, but what I'm saying, though, is if it is, if it's either one of those, well, they're not doing a good job then. Oh, no, certainly. Yeah. And Fox on CNN, on every other big network, it's never the number one story, if at all. I mean, at all.

Yeah. Like, Chris Cuomo is the only one that, like, puts in, I think that I've seen so far that puts in, like, he's, he's, he's going like full in on it. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, it's the question is who is it a number one story to? Right. You know, and that's the thing. So like, if you're the kind of person who questions establishment talking points, then you're probably attracted to this topic. And if you're focused on this topic, you're probably not focused on other topics they don't want you focused on.

And, you know, that would be like corruption charges against both leading candidates in an election year. Uh, you know, so essentially, I mean, there's lots of like stuff going around post pandemic about like, you know, different, you know, information coming about what actually happened here and there, whatever it is. And whatever ends up being the truth and all that kind of stuff, there's really, it's very hard right now in this issue to point the finger at a specific person or group of people who are involved with doing anything nefarious because the whole thing is still so nebulous. But if we're, if we're looking over here and. and we're just really into this. If it's red meat on the bone for us, you can only look at so much in a day. And I'm going to tell you myself,

like I am a person who likes to hear, you know, news coverage of political corruption and stuff like that. I like knowing that kind of stuff. You know, sometimes I need to check out. But this is way more interesting to me. And I see myself as someone who could be on a hook, you know, like I could be a big fish on a hook. And they got me because I'm more interested in this and any of that of the shit.

Me too, because it's what we talked about earlier, right? It's because it's inside of your head. Like, I do think that you and I fit into that category that we want to believe, right? And it's like that thing. And we are also asking those questions like we just talked about when it comes to Greer. Like you can't believe everything. And maybe down the line, it's like, we should have listened to everything. And we'll talk about it a little bit like the Peru stuff.

Like I don't believe any of that stuff at all. We'll talk about that a little bit. But like, um, But there are the things that I'm tuning into that I want to know about because of what we talked about. If this is all factual, this is going to be the biggest event in human history, like ever. Like ever. And again, like, you know, just to put a ribbon on it, like this is how you, you know, turn up the heat slowly so that we don't have people freaking out. Yeah.

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episode. So David Grush, who was the UFO, UAP whistleblower, was on News Nation. It was the first place he gave his interview and he had given all these facts. And during that interview itself, he actually talked about his PTSD and an instance that he had in his life and that he was suicidal at one point. It was all in there. But they cut it out for the actual full interview, but they have it. Russ Colhart had it and he just didn't put it in the interview itself. So then there was this reporter, and I forget that Ken Klippelstein or something. Ken Klippenstein.

Klippenstein. And so Ken Klippenstein then, to his own admission, got a tip from various sources through the DO, other places that he that just in general, a couple of different places that he had gotten tips for, for and then did a piece on David Grush documenting when Grush came back from Afghanistan. And he had the two episodes of PTSD and alcoholism and things with his wife and things of this nature. And essentially seemed like he was trying to discredit him inside of the thing. His argument was that he was just bringing it to light that everyone's painting him as this hero,

which he is, you should look at too, which the reporters that they're rightfully so are saying, well, yeah, but what it looks like is you're trying to say because he had PTSD, which so many different soldiers and people go through, obviously, and alcoholism, which a lot of them, and they even said, there's no proof that he's an alcoholic now, but by doing this, it just seems like you're trying to say because of that, you shouldn't take him serious. And to me, that's gross. Well, dude, and look, the interesting thing about this particular, coverage that you're just that you're describing is those three people have worked together a lot

so ken clippinstein is closely linked to breaking point so i thought this was perfect because if anybody was going to give them the business it was them and he's already considered and and yeah and he's already considered credible by those two so it's perfect you know it couldn't have happened better um but yeah number one they talk about and and to ken clippenstein's credit he says it wasn't the PTSD which by the way i heard um quomo talk about um that people are calling it PTSD now because it's no longer considered a disorder and I really appreciate that because yeah dude like why should you be considered someone with a disorder right if you are stressed out and freaked out by crazy shit you went right that's like

normal it's just most dramatic stress yeah okay so um so yeah to ken clippenstein's credit he didn't really get tripped up on that part of it he was concerned with the alcoholism uh uh claims by not one by both of his current wife and his ex-wife. And so, but yeah, dude, to me, this is textbook bullshit because the, there is a, I'll point you to this. And if you haven't ever seen it, I forget the name of the author. It's a very well-known book. And I look like an idiot not knowing the name of the author, but there's a book called propaganda. It's a short book, propaganda. And it's essentially outlines how you deal with discrediting people and misinformation and how the first thing you do,

do when you have an opponent or a rival who's trying to make a case against your interest is you discredit the person. Right. And so you can do as simple as saying, that person's crazy. Or, you know, saying, I don't know, he's a big drinker. I'm like, this is wild to me and it's probably something more pertinent that people latch on to than even the UAP discussion. Because this is an easy way that for the rest of time, if anybody ever,

comes out and says, guys, the person or the people or the organization in charge of X are actually doing Y. And we should know about it. And someone goes, that guy shit his pants in fourth grade. Right. Well, listen to him. He shits his pants. You know what I mean?

And it's like that it's, it's an, it's a, it's a, it's not a great source potentially, but that is not discredit the information. And throwing out the baby with the bathwater all the same. The reason those things exist because we want. want, oh, imperfect, imperfect source or some, I don't know for the name of it. The point is,

I'm not stopping in my interest, and I still think it's interesting. And maybe the guy is dealing with crazy alcoholism because he knows crazy shit. Yeah, but they said, we don't even know if he's still even dealing with alcohol. Exactly.

It's eight years ago. And I don't know how much credit I give him on that, too, by the way, because that was after he was getting the amount of bombardment on, of course, social media and all these things about how dare he go after someone with PTSD. Yes. And he and that, so you could have been backtracking at that point to go like, well, that that's not what I really should have been saying. He disclosed it with Ross Colhart. He disclosed it. There's a video of saying, Ross asked him like, what is something that someone could say about you to discredit you?

Yeah. He says, well, this, this and this. And so right there, I'm like, what else do you want the guy to do? Is it that anybody who's ever had any trouble in their life can no longer bring any malfeasions to like that's crazy? that discredits most people working anywhere. But I think that he, that, that just made him, that, that I don't think of any, that, that didn't make him less credible to that. To me, I was waiting for the discrediting shoe to drop. And I'm like, this will only happen if he gets to a certain point where people are taking this very seriously, something will happen. But you can't, though, in this, this, because of a lot of, because, first of all,

we're in a very different place as in as a society when dealing with mental health also so it's not the 1930s when if you if you admit that you like you had an issue that everyone thinks you're you're not fit for something you can't do this or you showed your it's not it's not like that and so that's that was part one what didn't work at all right so where you can't you can't you can't say that about someone to where uh i don't think it's going to do anything to them i think at the because the other issue is now if the report was that when he was interviewing these people he was hammered right if he was if he was drinking he was drinking on the job we found reports that this guy was drunk when he would show up to work he wouldn't show up sometimes there were times that

they had to look for him like he was making up stuff in his reports then i go i don't know well the one and then maybe maybe he didn't even remember doing this but that's not the case they gave him his clearance afterwards. He was done. He wasn't drinking on the job. At least that's not what was in the report. And that was the other thing I thought was so brilliant about the interview where they, because he's like, oh, I talked to these people and they said that he's not credible. And the guy goes, well, where was that in your report? Right. You didn't put that in your report that they said that. He said, well, I don't know. It's like that whole thing stunk. That whole thing stunk. Like that was, that was clearly, this is a, the reporter himself, I believe, was a skeptic and

looking at. He said he was. He said he was. He said he flat out does not believe. He said he thought He doesn't. He doesn't. And so because of that, they used him to say, hey, look, check this out over there. And he's like, okay. And this is the most anyone's ever heard of Ken Clippenstein ever because of this, right? And this is also a guy who gets off on, on confrontation. If you look at his Twitter, this guy loves to throw down with people. Like he was trolling people. And like he was on, he was on Twitter. And he was saying, oh, I got let go for the first time in whatever it was, I got let go to do. And then he dot, dot, dot, dot. this next week was to do a newsletter and he he he likes he likes he likes doing this and so that's the perfect guy for someone to go hey ken clippinstein go and go and look over there and he did that if you flip the questions that people throw at grush or people like him over at clippinstein and whoever gave him the information it suddenly you can see a motive like this guy a doesn't believe flat out he said it and b he actually does stand to profit off of story like that. Of course he does. And if that's not his fault though, as a reporter, though.

Absolutely not. I still think you cover it if you think it's legit. And yeah, but if you were someone who's like, I want to see this play out without interference. I want to see what this boils and bubbles up to you know that if you bring out the hey, he was an alcoholic once, that's going to throw a variable into the mix that could muddy the whole thing up. So I always think they have to prove, but they really have to prove like I said, they have to. They have to prove that it actually is not going to work affected his report and it's not it's not going to happen what needs to happen next in order to really for people they really want to protect rush the more whistleblowers need to come out and from the report you to hear what james fox says james fox

says that those are those are going to be coming out in the next seven eight months we're going to see more of them so we'll see um i do want to move on to two other stories one is uh what do you want to cover first the malaysia one or the uh or the peru well the peru one we can debunk fast Let's get to that one, and I'm desperate to talk about Malaysia. Okay. So the Peru one was I was getting texts and tweets and Instagram and all about, you check out the Peru thing. Check out the Peru thing.

And so what they were seeing, and this was covered on all over the news on Peru, is that there were like reports of like seven foot aliens running around, capturing villagers and peeling faces off of villagers and all their shit. And I'll be honest, right away when it was reported on like, I go and it'll be fine. I was like, no.

But do you know why I said no right away? And it's probably not the reason to say it. But I've been so paying attention to the stuff at Roswell and the reports at like the one in Zimbabwe, the one in, uh, in Brazil. And these homes are supposed to be like four feet tall. Okay, wait. I, you're right. There's no, there's very rarely do they talk about that.

However, though, there's like, reasons. there's if and if it is and i do think it's b s for the record but i i have heard people describe a second type of alien race in in in my reading and research of this stuff um there's specifically a case of two guys i can't remember if it's a father and a son or something like that and i want to say it's late 70s or early 80s and they were on a fishing dock and they were excuse me both like abducted and the and the and the beings that they described were really tall and they had an artist illustrate their description and they basically had these like instead of a face there was antenna protruding and uh and it was super interesting and it's one of

those cases where it it passed my BS meter like my BS detector so and then I've also heard people talk about something called tall grays I don't know if you've heard that that to differentiate them so I'm still saying I think this is BS but my reasoning to think it's BS is that boy oh boy it sounds like we should have some pictures of that yeah well it's a grainy footage they have pictures of the guy it's pretty gnarly the guy whose face got ripped off yeah but i mean that that could have been done by anybody can't put their face off now at you sure but like but i'll tell you though that that's why i can't remember what report it was but it was something like that they were like neighboring villages that were doing kidnappings and things of that nature that

wanted to scare the shit out of these people so they dressed off me i find that to be more credible yeah um then aliens deciding to just chase around people in Perode for some reason today. Yeah. I don't know. So that one to me stinks. Yeah, I'm definitely not like pursuing this one anymore than just ha ha ha. It's interesting. I like the funny thing of sci-fi.com covered it.

And the first picture they put as a picture of the predator. Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, right. I mean, that's, I mean, but the unfortunate part is that it, it does lend itself to the stigma now, right? because if you're you and I we're going to believe in the credible ones right so like we know the credible ones we've paid attention to the credible ones you know we we we have whether you know whatever you feel about the the was the the shoot the the virginia case right in Brazil there's enough there to make you go whoa there's some there's a lot going on here that you can

say what the hell happened in this town right yeah but If someone who just is, again, using my friend DJ, who is just paying attention for the first time and goes, see, it's just people dressing up as aliens and cutting people's freaking faces off. You know, it's like, this is what people are doing. This is crazy. This is going to be the new normal. Like, if this continues, unfortunately, I feel like this is going to be the new thing where, like, you know, those remote videos of people dressing up as clowns and standing in the street. Yes. Like, this is going to be the new thing.

Like, I'm actually ready for, like, college kids dressing up as Asian. aliens and like running around the middle of night and then eventually getting their asses whoop by I know but that's the problem dude now with the amount of technology with what we have with AI and what we have with like people who are really good at um vFX and stuff too is that if you browse down go down whether it's UFO Twitter or whatever it might be there's tons of UFO footage right now some of them you look at and you go whoa is that real and then you look at and you're like, well, yeah, but how do you study that now? Because somebody who's really good at, like, I think like Zach King, right, on an Instagram.

I feel like Zach King, if you wanted to, could do a pretty good UFO video, right? And it's like, so that's the type of stuff you got to be careful. But this is, so let's talking about that. So this is the one that's been circulating around. And I want to play this for people and see what everybody thinks. Hold on. Okay. So here's what you have not seen this yet.

No. All right. So this is, you see this, right now it looks like a satellite. Now, this is potential, people think potentially

that Malaysia flight that disappeared. Look at this now. So this is something circling, right? And then, well, now watch this.

Now there's two of them. And then there's three of them. Oh my God. Now, again, now watch what happens, though, as it goes,

and again, it's title of, if this is legit, this is a serious one so far. Now, and watch this is the crazy thing if this is Malaysia flight so and then it goes through

the clouds you see it go through the clouds because a lot of people are going to go oh went through the clouds of course it disappeared but it's still there and then watch this right I'm never getting on a plane again I just got off a plane last night I'll never go look the satellite goes to the side

and they go where is it and it's gone so okay look I don't know um now people are thinking No one's debunked this yet? There's no, not yet, but there's no confirmation that that's the Malaysia flight. But if you know the Malaysia case, that flight was in the air and then it just disappeared.

And they said, where did it go? And there's a whole Netflix documentary on it. Like, where did it go? And then the government tried to do like this, like how a piece of the plane fell and the people like, this is part of the plane. This is bullshit. And so that was debunked that it wasn't part of the plane. So this is a Again, this is the one that just started coming out.

I don't know. I don't know if it's, this is one of the things that like where I don't have, this is my point before what I was making you. This could have been made by somebody. Yeah. Really good. A hundred percent.

Someone going, you know what? I just watch this Malaysia thing on Netflix. And there's no real explanation for it. And now all this UFO stuff going on. Watch what I'm going to do. And he does this thing. 100%. And he puts it out there.

And, but the flip side is, Because if that, if this one turns out, see, that's, I got to see. I mean, I want to, I would love to, so I, to let everybody know, I actually reached, and I told you this, I haven't told you this on air. But so I reached out to James Fox. Yeah. And James Fox actually gave me his number to call him to get him on the show.

And then the guy's really busy, but I got, I got ghosted, Peter. I got ghosted. But kind of, kind of. So I got ghosted. And I was supposed to, he's like, he's like, I'm going to give you a call. And it was a weird time. was like 75 minutes is what he said i said okay cool and i didn't hear from him so i'm like all right so then i'm like well and i sent him a message later on and i was like hey james looks like we

missed each other i'd love to have you on the show so then i was i was actually reading leslie keene's book while i got a i got a uh notification on my phone just with like a uh uh you know a check mark or hard or whatever on the comment and it was james fox that's the last i heard him so i don't know i'd love to get him on the show i'd love to have him on the show but i'd love to ask him this I would love to ask him about this, like this Malaysia one. Like is this? I'm surprised if this. Now it's only that I'm going to look up online after this,

but I'm surprised there isn't more coverage that I've come across. Now I've been out of the loop for the last few days, but it can be bullshit. It can be bullshit. That's what I think the benefit of the show is, is like now I hope everybody watching this and in the comments is going to go and look into it. And then maybe by the next time we go or you go live, you'll have some, you know, updates, whether it's, you know, crowd-sourced or whether some things come up officially.

But that's why this show needs to happen because I guarantee your listeners are and your viewers are shrewd enough to say, hold on, let me take this, take up and see what we can figure out. There's a lot going on about this particular case, at least where I'm looking at. But like, so they, hold on, let's say, someone said, which one is this video gets more and more real by the hour? I guess this is another one. I don't know if this is the one. I'm not sure. I don't know, but either way, I'd love to get people's thoughts on it to find out, because as you said before, too, you can't just go in blindly and believe everything.

So I would love to hear and see what I will keep my years on. I just thought it's fascinating because if that one is real, dude, if that one is real. That's a game changer. That's a game changer. And that would be another reason to not let it get out because I am already just watching that, like less likely to jump on a plane anytime. But you don't disappear at these three things made it disappear, like interim dimensionally. That makes me think it's somewhere else. I didn't just like disintegrate.

They probably took it somewhere. Like lost style. Like lost, dude. But you know, it's funny is like I was talking about this with a buddy of mine is like one thing that really interests me about this topic is how much it could explain in our unexplainable cases of the world. Like imagine ghosts, the paranormal activity, stuff like that. You know, there are a lot of people who talk about ghosts where I'm like, I believe this person. saw something and I don't believe that ghosts exist personally. Right.

And I have a conflict. But what if it's just interdimensional stuff and technology that we all this. Time and space, we don't, we don't know anything about time and space. We don't know anything. We think that we, we don't know that much. That's, I think the healthiest outlook and view to have is I know how much I don't know. And it's a hundred or I don't know how much I don't know, but I'm guarantee it's a lot. A hundred percent, dude.

We don't, we don't have no idea. We have no idea. and it's like because we like to live in the world we live in and the rules that we told are the rules they're not the rules they're just the rules we know i know dude i think about that all the time rules i think about what an inversion it would be if there was some democratization of technology like that you know what it would mean well to me that's the other thing always people people don't realize like is time travel and all that stuff right like time travel in general like the idea of it.

Is it possible? Of course it's possible. Do we have the technology to do it? No, of course not. Like what you'd have to do with black holes and all this kind of stuff in order to make it happen like us. It's not, but it's like the idea of it, and the way that time and space works at a time.

And that's the way it works on this planet. You don't know how it works on other planets and other dimensions and other things like two people. And that's the other thing that's so far and for people to realize. like the quantum, what a quantum, they think the problem is like when you say quantum realm and those things, right? Yeah, man. It's like no. I know. I know. But it's like, it's like the quantum realm and the way quantum physics and all these things like really work. I was talking about this with Brett on Big Thing yesterday. I just, I'm fascinated by quantum physics and all that. I just, I'm just

not smart enough to, to know it all. If so, I wouldn't be doing this. I would be working in quantum physics. Um, but I'm fascinated by it. And I'm fascinated by the energy planes and all those different things and how that works and and you're right it could answer so many different questions that's why i hope at least in my lifetime that i get to find out some kind of information about what the hell it is me too i think about that if time i've always thought this if time travel is possible at all it already exists by definition yeah of course right like if if it's ever possible then it already exists somewhere and if we could figure it out wouldn't we go back in time and forward in time and try to figure it out.

That's not how it works. That's not how it works. Again, if you believe in, if you believe in the quantum physics, the way the time works, is that this time. That's the one thing that you say, like, end game did get right. They did get right. Like splintering off the timelines. It's just a different. It's just like you wouldn't change. If you went back and you changed

like where you and I met at skybound. Right. If you decided you weren't going that day and we never met each other. Right. You'd still know me in this timeline. You just wouldn't know me at that one. That's crazy. Brainbreaking.

How can people not want to discuss this stuff? That's what I think about. That's why I think this topic is so exciting and we need to discuss it so that we don't go into the next phase of our life, like blind and unpaired. That's what I'm saying. That's why if they are holding back this type of information, it is the biggest crime ever because it is the most arrogant crime ever because the fact that this one thing, particular organization throughout multi governments across the world working together decided they should know more than other people that could benefit the human race is is is the I guess the epitome of what the bad side of humanity is yeah 100% gatekeeping that's it

all right look that was our show today man I'm glad we I'm glad there was a good one we had a good discussion that be more like there's always stuff to talk about what do we learn sum it up for us what do we shoot man we learn peru was horse crap we don't we don't really know yet what we feel about stephen we're on the fence we're on the fence we're on the fence we're on the fence with step and we do believe that if that Malaysia video if that is the Malaysia flight and if that is the UFO that could be the most compelling one if that one isn't debunked and that one is proven that's that's the craziest one thus far I believe that that david grush is a a decorated war vet and should be judged on his merit of his testimony and not on past

behavior that he had that he got treatment for and that has nothing to do that it was clearly a smear campaign. And we learned that you and I can talk about this stuff for hours. Yeah, that's a lot. That's like a lot of value for one stream. Let me tell you. I think so. People should subscribe.

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