The Kristian Harloff Show - UAP/UFO Phenomenon: The O'Hare Incident | Parallel Universes

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

Join the website here! http://www.thekristianharloff.com As the world still discusses the Grusch claims, it seems fewer and fewer are still talking about it. Is it going to disappear? There have been many takes on this and many argue blindly without looking at certain cases. One of the cases we have been fascinated with is the O'Hare case. We talk about that, parallel universes, the Simulation theory and more on this episode of UAP Tuesday with Harloff and Reilly.  #UFO #UAP #ohare #theory 

All right, everybody, welcome back. It's Tuesday. It's UAP Tuesday. It's me and Riley. And I'm not going to lie to you guys. It's starting to slow down as far as people. I know that there's any thread that you go to. You can still dive deep and you can really go down the rabbit hole

and you can do all that stuff. And that's been going on for years. But this is what we're talking about. This is what we're talking about. It's that there was this kind of fever pitch because of the hearings. And now it's because there's been so many blockages. And they're doing exactly what they've been doing in the past. and it seems to be the same old, same old,

and it doesn't, the same people who are trying to make a, I mean, even Bert Chet seems to have slowed down a little bit. So, you know, Ross Colhart's out there talking a lot about the stuff, and I know that Chris Cuomo just head on people starts talking about it, but I don't know, guys. We're going to talk about that, but we're really going to dive into one of the incidents that happened that we've been talking about a lot in this show, and that's the O'Hare incident that happened.

in, it's a 96, I believe, right? 96 or 2006? Good start. 2006. 2006, that's what I meant. Anyway, so we'll talk about that, and we're also going to talk about the fact that, you know, Avi Loeb has been out there a lot, so he's somebody who's talking a lot about it still and should be, who's an astrophysicist, and he said that it should be the subject, UFOs, should

be the subject of mainstream inquiry, and that science must bring clarity behind that. And I hope that people take that and run with that. He says he, among a handful of other people, seem to be those people. But it's like, it is about as taboo as it's ever been. Just talking to people,

friends in circles and the same thing. You're fault. Yeah, they don't see anything. Yeah. So we'll talk about that for me and Riley today. If you're brand new the channel, speaking of the UAP show, check this out.

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UAP Tuesday Mark Riley coming in hot here to discuss and get it out there more Christian I mean I think that's been the goal right and I think that's what we've been

I just want it's really it's about changing people's thinking I think for now at least changing thinking to have them ask questions yeah I guess those like I don't want to make it sound like you know change your thinking but like offer up discussion yeah right

Right? Because I, you know, I'm on record. I have my own UAP experience, so I've seen with my own eyes. But after that video we saw in 2017, right? 16, 17. 17. It was the Braves one, I think. The Tic Tac video. That was when everything starts coming out now, the hearings. And now here we are where I am very, very skeptical, but I am also such a believer in this. I'm skeptical when it comes to, we go down in a rabbit hole all the way to where there's portals in the sky, taken away Malaysian airways.

Which we don't know. Which we don't know. But I'm willing to believe. Well, I've gotten people, it's funny because for everybody who writes, that's real. I've seen a bunch of people going, it's a hoax. It's not real. It's been debunked. And I was like, send me where it's been debunked.

I said, I always look. I happen to think that it's not real. I happen to think that that one is just too big of a thing. Yeah. That if it got leaked, people like, James Fox and people like Ross Colhorn, people like that, if that was real, they would have gotten their hands on it and said, hey, this is some damning evidence here. Yeah.

And that ain't happening. No, and it's hard on Twitter when they say, this is an actual leak. And that's all they say. That's all they say. And then hashtag UFO Twitter. And you're like, oh, okay, where? Right. I'll tell you this, though.

You know what that video made me do, though? I went down the, I guess, rabbit hole or just watch that. And maybe this is what some people said that, you know, wanted to bring more attention to the Malaysia case. Do you know anything about that Malaysia case? No, not a lot, but I know they just... It was 2014, I think, right? 2014.

And because, yeah, because Obama was in office. I'm pretty sure it's 2014. So are you looking it up? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure it's 2014. And so what happened was they took a... The flight itself, it takes off, it's got 220 plus.

2014. It's got 220 plus on the flight. And it takes off. No, sorry. Wait a minute. That was shot down by a Russian control. No, no, no, no. That's a different one.

That happened, that happened. Jeez. That one, but that was both 2014, no. Is it? Yep. Because that happened within like a month or two, or three, two, like a month or two within the same period. That's what happens inside. It's crazy. I'm just never flying around there. So what happens? So this plane is flying and it normal flight standard.

220 plus on there, families and just, you know, average thing. And there's no, they have audio, the pilot talking to, I think it's like the Vietnam at that point where they were crossing over. And you hear him go, okay, sign up, talk to you soon. It was a crossover. It was in between. the crossover of when they go to the next people and and then it just disappeared. And the question was, well, and the families obviously,

well, where are they? Week, nothing. Year, nothing. And they're like, well, where is this thing? And people are like, and then the one that you just read, there was one that was shot down by the Russians. And that's probably what happened to the other one. Yeah, well, they found debris of that second.

Right. There was no debris of the first. And then this is the part that I thought was really messed up. There was one reporter on there. He's like, yeah, and I just realized it was the pilot. It was the pilot. And he said, I came on my whole theory of it was the pilot. And he painted that the pilot was the one who basically shut off all the communications, did everything to turn the thing around, and then he just probably ran out of gas and crashed. Again, where? Right.

But then there was another woman who's like, if you look at this guy's background, pilot, why? It made no sense. If I was going to say it, if I was going to look into it, my reporting, I don't think it was him. Because, and again, no debris, nothing. Now, was it UAPs? Could have been a million things. Could have been a million things. But it's just crazy.

Nothing. In history, there's been nothing that's just disappeared. Like, that's nuts off radar. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Well, there's a lot of strange, I mean, not just UAPs. Right.

You know, it's like this past weekend they were trying to find Loch Ness finally. Is that true? I mean, yeah. They were putting, you know, using. drones and sensors and like everybody's getting out there trying to just finally find Nessie, you know, and that's, I think Nessie is a part of the culture when you are talking UAPS. and when you're talking, Bigfoot, big foot, thank you, and, you know, abominable snowman or anything, you know, they're all in that kind of that realm where it could exist.

Right. You use science, you could use, you know, Sasquatch. You can, well, that's a missing link. Sure, sure. one of our uncles that, you know, grew a tail and it fell off. And then it's... Right, right. And now it's in the Washington woods.

You know, so I feel like that's the culture. Bermuda Triangle. Bermuda Triangle's another one. That's what people said too. It's like, what happened to it? I mean, I'm still, I'm only like, there's three parts. I'm on the middle of the second part. And again, it's a fascinating thing because it's just, there's just no record of, like, still.

That's weird. I mean, like, when that whole thing, the Titanic thing happened, recently. They found, they found, I mean, that was in the bottom of the ocean and they found that thing. They found pieces of it. Yeah. Yeah. This, they didn't find anything and they tried to like plant something or say something that it was and it's like, no, it wasn't.

I heard about that. Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's pretty fascinating. And then the idea, you know, obviously they're, they kind of skim over it in the documentary where it's just like, there's all these different theories and they kind of add the stigma to be completely honest with you where they're just like there's a picture of like the standard alien picture, like aliens took it

like, and there's all these crazy theories where who knows. Who knows? But between that and then I was watching a little bit more, I've been watching the, because people, that's what I actually really have,

well, I don't know if you've been paying attention to the comment section at all of the show, but we're getting a lot of people like recommending other types of, other shows or videos and things. And I got turned on to this channel

called the Y Files. Have you checked this out? No. You would love this channel. Okay. This guy's, I don't know if, at first, I'm coming around to it,

but he does this almost like Saturday morning kids type vibe where he's... Not interested? The subject matter itself, he approaches very seriously. But he has like this fish in the background that talks, but it allows him to say things that he probably wouldn't say. Okay. Like normally any... Kind of like American dad, you know?

The talking fish with the alien of all things, the alien roommate. Well, what this guy does, what I like and dislike at the same time, but I think I like more than I dislike. He presents these cases with all the real facts, and he does it in a very respectful way. And then all the ones I've seen so far, nine out of ten times, he's kind of debunked in his mind and said why these things probably are, he brings kind of a more of a realistic form to it, right? To debunk it? I mean, he just gets like this is probably what it is. Like, for example, like he covered the Zimbabwe case with the kids.

and he talked about certain things about, he just gave real facts and things I think that should definitely be mentioned where this is my point. This is, like, he's somebody that I feel, like, we're talking about those, like, skeptics. When skeptics are well-informed and skeptic, and this guy isn't necessarily a skeptic, he just brings in, like, the hard facts.

Yeah. When somebody has the hard facts and understands and is well-informed and can discuss and say, like, myth busters. Right, you know. But it's like, exactly. Like, if someone, like, I was talking to, like, Roka was on for the show,

we're airing our show on Friday that we did, and we talked about afterwards, and he just brought up kind of grush things. Yeah, I heard from secondary nature, secondary somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody saw something. I can't take that serious. I was like, yeah, but do you know, did you watch those other parts? Do you know about this case?

Do you know about this? And he's like, well, but I just know who's running it. And I'm like, but you're not informed on it. And this guy said some of it. So many different roadblocks to get there. But there's a, so this, the Zimbabwe case, which you're familiar with, right? And so all these kids saw it.

And then they didn't all have the same story, right? They definitely, some of them saw a red ship, some someone saw a green ship, some of saw this. And they talked about that. And then what he brought up that I thought was very interesting, this guy on the Wi-Files, right? The guy that did the guy from Harvard that went into interview these kids and really put it on the map. And, like, wow, it was three or four months later, to which.

this guy's point was that gave them enough time to kind of synchronize a story. Okay. Yeah. And the other thing that he said was he like, he said, before he showed up, the kids had never talked about like the telepathic thing that the aliens had with them about the environment and this. He's like, and this guy was an environmentalist. Hmm.

And he was, and it's like, look, I'm not saying that he did it. Just keep that in mind. Yeah. And so when he, he brings up this, again, this show, this Wi-Files thing, he brought up another thing that was really interesting. I went through a bunch of videos on his channel. Highly recommend it for people if they haven't watched it already. But he did this thing about a guy who said that there's this kind of myth about in 1920s

that this guy was in a coma for a year. And when he woke up, he woke up in the year 3,000 something. And brought back a great detail of everything about Internet, aliens, things. This is 19, whatever it was. He wrote 20, right? 1920-something. 20s. But he didn't tell anybody about it until the day that he died.

He gave it to, he gave it the book with all the thoughts to like a coworker, but never gave it to anybody, never talked about it. Oh, man. But listen, though. I love stuff like this. I loved it. The story for now. The story.

So he started, and so this guy on the thing broke it down and said everything it was. And he said, he goes, now this is what you could believe. It was a fever dream, this, this and this. He said, it really happened. Or he said, what I believe, this guy never existed. And he broke down on how, he said, because there was his rumor that this happened and this happened. And he put it together, and you're like, he makes really good cases.

And then the other one that I watched, which I thought was fascinating also, was the parallel universe one. This one I think you've probably definitely heard. We might have talked about this in Clyder Live. I can't remember where this was, but this guy shows up and he gives his passport and he says, And he's got it all stamped out and everything too. And then they say to him, well, wait a minute, what's this? It was like some country that they had never heard of. And he's like, well, where's that?

So that's my country. And they're like, what are you talking about? So they didn't know because there's so many countries. Like, okay, maybe that's a smaller country. And they called over coworkers. They didn't know. So they brought this kind of back and said, point it down. You pointed out to something completely, like it's like a country that I figure where it was a turkey or something.

Sure. Whatever it was. So they kept interview in this guy and they didn't arrest him, but they detained him because they thought, you know, he was a spy, they didn't know what he was. So they took it, his passport, they took everything, they put it in like a safe and they put this guy at this hotel and they had two guys standing outside the hotel room. No, no, here we go. And then the next morning, the guy was gone. Yeah. And then they opened the safe and the passport's gone.

So, you bisected our world on accident. And so what he did, this guy was. guy in the Y files, which I thought was great, is he sets it up with all the scientists and all the things that this isn't like science fiction. This is stuff that they said is possible scientifically of reports of people being able to transfer consciousness and things of that nature. Like, who knows if it's ever happened, but theoretically possible and all these things. And they break, they like, Neil DeGrasse Tyson and all these people like talking about how this stuff is. And so then, and I'm going to tell you the craziest video I watched at the end was not any, even though this

sounds nuts. This wasn't the craziest one. So, then they were talking about this guy, and then he's breaking down all these different things, and they say about this particular guy, they're like, again, what you could believe. And then there was a similar case of a guy that was

an actual spy that did these things that used to, almost like Frank Abnegall, whatever from a catchment as you can, who made up these countries, made up these different things, it became like this urban legend, and that kind of spawned into this tale. So who knows? That's, yeah. That's a little bit more like,

ah, yeah, it's easily explained. And that's why I think this guy is so well in his channel, but the craziest one, the one that he was kind of on board with, is the simulation theory. Oh, God. Do you know this one? Yeah, we're all in a simulation, kind of like Matrix. See, but here's the thing with that.

That to me, as of two days ago, if you would have said that to me, I would have said to you, I think it's more likely that we have inter-inemential aliens flying around the joint and the one's going to join us for a beer in about 10 minutes.

Then there is a simulation theory. Yeah. And then you see those videos of like the bird. It's just hovering there in the sky. TikTok, bo-to-do, you know. Yeah, but it's less about that. That's not what got me though.

No, I know. What got me is all of the scientists, again, Neil deGress Tyson, who are like, I think it's Neil deGress Tyson that said, it's not a matter of it, if it's a 80% 90% chance that it's not.

and 10% chance it is. He goes, it's a 50-50. It's a simulation. This is a simulation. Because of mathematical code and everything true and the way that they set these things. Yeah, I buy that. When these guys start talking

and breaking it down in science, and that's, again, I think you were alluding to that. Yes. You know, that's where it gets interesting to me because you're thinking about things I can't comprehend when it comes to math and all these different things, right?

Yeah. But I know and trust and believe in science more than anything. And so people start talking like this and they say 50-50, it's like, okay. And then you can start kind of connecting things. I don't know. That goes to me with the big, I obsess over, you know, what happens after. Same.

Same. Right? So that can be like you go into, like this is the nice, it's like the X-Men danger room, right? You got to prepare. And so you're going into, after this, the simulation. you go into the real deal. Watch that one. Okay.

Because that one to me, and again, for people, and first of all, thank you to all the people who, I also say that attack Peter has been telling me to watch why Fox for a while. Yeah, he's been, he's been telling me. He's great. He was telling me to watch that for a while. But like, but then there were other, there are other people who kept sending me.

I think that someone sent that one to me that I was just telling you about the simulation. Because when I saw that, I'm like, okay, well, this, now we're just talking about, again, the matrix. We're just talking about science fiction. If you want to go to, I mean, that's the thing. It's, it's, why not? I couldn't believe it. I do not, I don't want to discredit anything.

And if it can be kind of rooted in hypothetical theories, grounded in science. I'm, I'm all for that speculation. I couldn't believe how much science was behind this. Yeah. I thought it was completely like, oh, like one of those things like, yeah, more so like, well, parallel universes could exist and this, this, they're talking about this thing. the clips that he was showing, like, no, if you look at, like, certain scientists broke down that there was, like, mathematical code that's broken down the universe.

And there's this one thing he breaks out. I'm not going to pretend that I'm smart enough to understand all of it. There's, like, there's things that, the way they shoot these lights into this particular thing and the way that it, they had to cheat it because it looked like it was computer trying to analyze what was coming through it. Again, it's this whole thing. But, like, I've watched, every video that I've watched it has been fascinating because I do like his approach.

I do want to see how he approaches certain UAP stuff. And he didn't, he didn't completely debunk the Zimbabwe stuff. He just, he just offered a, well, think about it this way, which I think is what we talked about, like when we were talking about when we mentioned DJ last week. That's the kind of conversation I would love to have with people because I think like when you have the facts and you bring up something like that and you go, well, wait a minute,

know that this guy was an environmentalist and this and I go, okay, it's a good point. As opposed to like Dug, green alien, duck, dog, dog, do. See, that's the big thing. And, I mean, my, God love my wife. That's, she doesn't do it that way.

She just does it like, ah, you know, and just move on. And that's, if I can't see it, it doesn't affect me. Right. And then there was, there was something I saw on Twitter, you know, and this is more of the UFO hashtag, you know, going down the rabbit hole thing. But it's like, yeah, there's these, you know,

three branches of government, right? These secret government that, that believe, like, there's one faction that believes they're demons, because they're the evangelists and they're the Christians, right? And then there are the other ones that believe it's, you know, us or something. And then there's the third faction that it's real and they've made contact. You know, and then the tweet under that was like, Stephen Spielberg believes it's us in the future time traveling back.

Is that what he was? Yeah, well, apparently according to UFO Twitter. So I want to see, so there's a new, was encounters? Yeah. Yeah, I'm perking up to that one. So it's a new series coming out on Netflix with Amblin and our buddy Andrew Fried over at Boardwalk. And so we're trying to get the director on. Amblin's the best.

Yeah, we're trying to get the director on for the show to be able to talk to us about it, which would be great. And I know Spielberg has his hands in this a lot more than maybe normal. He wants to let on. Well, yeah, because he's, well, he's a UFO guy. Yeah, for sure. He's, I mean, he's been looking up to this guy longer than any of us. He had Heinrich on for, in his freaking movie. Yes, yeah, exactly.

you know, he based close encounters on a lot of real events and sightings that were that were really grounded in more reality than just you know, I saw something, right, you know, so down to the one of the cut scenes in the director's cut that I've mentioned many times

which is like the pilots, I saw something, I saw something, go on record, nope, you know, because that's, I mean, that's a majority of it. That was what a thematic through line in that, in close encounters. that we're dealing with here. O'Hare. We'll talk. We'll talk about O'Hare,

and we'll talk about the stuff that's been going on, it seems like they're getting blocked, and I want to talk about how there are certain people that are still out there kind of fighting a fight, but does this seem to you

that a lot of the people who are really loud have quieted down a little bit? About the skeptics, you mean? No, the ones that like the Bert Chats and the... Oh, yes. Absolutely, because I 100%

believe that it's because of the climate in America right now. Yeah, and they said, hey, stop that. We've got to concentrate on other things right now. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot going on when it comes to, I mean, you know, politics. Politics are running.

Right. We need you to fight our fight. We don't need you to fight trying to get aliens out there. They tried to sneak a question at the Republican debates, and they all laughed at it. Oh, really? Yeah. Chris Christie had wanted nothing to do with that question.

and existence of UAPs and that there's, you know, colleagues of yours that are, you know, opening up this. And Chris Christie's face was just like, and people start laughing, and she's like, all right, moving on. That's finally what the Republican debate did on Fox that does cover it

and does give it some legitimacy, in my opinion. But when you then turn right around and try to do it on a public stage, that it was the same talking is going to do nothing about it. Frickin thing. Yeah.

I mean, as much as us like, look, I enjoy, like, I just like having conversations like this too. Like, yeah, these are chill, fun. It's like having the conversations, like, whether it's the parallel universes, the UIPs, the stuff, and like, because of what we believe and what we want to know. But I don't think,

we've said it every time on this show. The, until there's something that you can't, can't deny, nothing's going to happen. and I hate to say it because it's just like as much as I want to believe like what James Fox was saying when it came out is like over the next year this thing's going to blow up

I don't know man I think you just said it like how that we're going to have to get through this first I think unless you know Independence Day happens or or or close encounters or ET

or whatever kind of movie world you live in or just something that that does catch the media's attention. Well, the media will put if it's, they were covering the Las Vegas UFO one, which I believe was debunked. No, I don't know.

That's what Ken said. I don't know. I still don't know. I just got to look into it. I didn't see that. And I looked for where it was debunked. And I said, who's holding that? Is uncle? I don't know.

I thought I saw that actually on Twitter. Did you? I looked and I didn't say, I tried to search for it. Yeah, what was my point? But it's just the idea that if we're having, having, it's hard to get people to look away from the train wreck that is our country right now. It's a circus.

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So before we get into the Chicago one, I do want to bring up this cat. I like this guy. This Astrophors is Obelow. Yeah, I saw this. Yeah, I like this guy. So what Avi Loeb says is the UFOs should be the subject of mainstream inquiry, preach, brother, science must bring clarity. That's all we're saying.

What's that? That's all we're saying. That's it. Yeah. The Harvard scientist on his search for alien technology. technology, academic jealousy, and why we must fund space exploration. Abraham Loeb known as Avi is a professor at astrophysics at Harvard University and has done the unthinkable. He has repeatedly been willing to contemplate the existence of non-human technology and how it may explain certain perplexing astronomical observations that mainstream science struggles with.

Loeb, who is 61, is the author of Interstellar, the search for extraterrestrial life and our future, beyond Earth, and a follow-ups who is New York Times bestseller, extraterrestrial the first science. of intelligent life beyond Earth. On the day we spoke, the U.S. government was preparing to hold a House of Representatives oversight and Accountability Committee, hearing on UFOs with a tired Air Force officer and former intelligence officer David Grush, who turned whistleblower in June, claiming the U.S. government had retrieved pieces of crashed alien spacecraft. They asked him when it comes to UFOs, why is it always a government cover-up? Why don't astronomers see UFOs? Aren't they people looking at the sky the most? He said the government would be a natural

first to recognize anything unusual in the sky or in crash sites, because, because their job is to worry about national security and to monitor the nearby environment. Astronomers always train their telescopes on very distant, slow-moving objects. They are not looking for anything fast-moving or nearby. So it's possible. And if anything usual happen,

the U.S. government would notice it first. So this guy's got, this is a whole interview on The Guardian. But he's been out there, though, talking more about and saying that there just needs to be more scientists kind of going to, because he kind of took a shot at Neil DeGrasse Tyson. I'm sure. Because he said,

he just kind of looks at the skeptic kind of side of view. But the data, he said, what did he say? He said something along the lines that if for someone who is a scientist and goes on data, he should be looking at the data. Yeah. Because he's not. He just seems to want to debunked it immediately without kind of entertaining a more scientific discussion, perhaps, because I feel like the data is there.

But that's why I was so, like, blown away when I heard him talking about, like, the simulation theory. Yeah. He was on all bored with it. See, that's, see, that then gets me going. Right. What do you? Okay. Yeah.

He's like, mathematically, it makes sense. And I'm like, wow. It's really getting to a point seriously where you could just kind of contemplate the universe and just, you know, how in the world could we be the only thing? and not just simulations and I mean UAPs, UFOs, I mean everything outside of this I mean it's just

it's it's unfathomable to consider the universe and everything therein so it just when you really just think about it that way and just open up your mind I this is for me when you open up that way of thinking

then it could be like okay yeah Even Nessie. I'm sorry. It could be like a missing link in itself. It could be like this is actually, when they pull out a fish from the bottom of the ocean and go, look at this thing.

It's prehistoric. That could be something that Nessie possibly is. But I'm just saying across all of this, consider it. It's a lot. There's a lot. Lots to consider it. It's, all I know is this. This is what I realized after really diving into this from this show,

looking at the stuff, the Malaysia stuff, looking at the UAP stuff, something's fishy with that one. It's just weird. But either way, but any of this stuff, like recently I've been talking about a lot, I've been looking at manifestation, looking at those things,

and looking at potential, the dimension stuff, looking at this theory of simulation theory. This is what I have determined is that there are somewhere clear-cut answers that I will never know. That is what, yeah, There are clear-cut answers out there, and there might be clear-cut answers out there that no one. I don't know. Clear-cut?

No, no. I think there are guides and data and... There is a clear-cut answer that someone just can't access. Well, maybe, maybe. What I'm saying is. But maybe years from now. Well, that's what I mean. I'm just saying that there is a clear-cut answer that maybe you don't have an accident.

No one has access to. Yeah. I'm just saying there is, like, I have gone farther and farther away, because I talked to Brett about this. We have this video up on the channel from a while ago. Like you said, what happens when you go? Yeah.

I go farther and farther away from the just pitch black theory. I've been leaning away from it. I used to be all about the pitch black theory. I mean, meaning that that's just, you go to sleep and that's the end of it. That's, yeah,

like a fly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that is scary and also kind of fills me at least with like, all right, make this count, you know kind of thing but also

I go I can go to that anxiety but with this stuff that's why when you when you consider and you look at Wichette and all these guys and crush coming out and saying this and go wait a minute I've seen this, seen this, I'm going on record you know your your goal in life

right right just protect yourself protect yourself it's instinctual it's that's in work that's in life that's in love that's in relation, everything, right? So these people are going out there, putting their neck out there to say this weird ass stuff. Right. Okay. So it's going to that where I consider, okay, there's more out there. And so why wouldn't that mean there's more that we don't understand after the lights go out? I'm telling you that. The lights go out. Okay. And then you have to just find your way. And there's something else could be simulation. I like that more. That's funny. I just wish I wish that I understood. I mean, like I'm fascinated by science.

I'm fascinated by science, and like I've said it many times over, like quantum physics and all those things, I just wish that I understood. I wish I was smarter enough to really, really get it. Yeah, me too. Maybe I don't. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't want to, because who knows?

You might not, yeah. Because I even said there was one scientist, like, really brilliant one was like, I forget, he was quoting someone and said, if you truly understand quantum physics, then you don't understand quantum physics. Like, and so, but like, when, like, looking at all that, and it's just,

there's just so much with, time and space that I think as human beings, we just walk around going, oh, well, this is just what it is. Because this is what we know. It is and it isn't. It's like time doesn't work in this certain way that we think that it does and that, you know, consciousness and the way the universe works and how overall the energy that we have inside of us and how that projects and where that goes and how it maneuvers around. it's nuts. I mean, look, there are a lot of people who are probably watching are just going,

no, that's it, you're done, and it's, what I see in front of me is real. I just start to go more and more into that theory of there is no spoon. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to pull this book from, that I read many years ago, but it's, Ralph Biscuit steals the world? That's it. Ralph Biscuits makes an appearance again. Yeah, no, but it's, it's, It's connected to our dreams. Right.

And, and, um, that we are connected in our dreams by, I'm going to butcher this saying, uh, but like a silver line. Mm-hmm.

For lack of a better word, which is like Dr. Strange. Sure. Right. You know, you, you know, you pushes you out of your,

and you're connected to your body. You're on the astroplane. Yeah. You know, um, which is based in that theory, the astroplane that you're out there. And,

and when you think about dreams and dreaming, you know, some weird stuff. can pull out that's, I believe, part of your subconscious and whatnot. But why isn't it? Like, how, and why? Okay, yeah, the deepness of the brain and the different firings and the cylinders, and you're only using this percent and this percent.

And so it could be just your subconscious. But I do believe that there perhaps could be something linked to the other side. That's what I mean. So is it like this, I, like, that's what I meant by when I said, There are answers there. Sure. That I don't think, well, I mean, there are, they're clear-cut answers. Someone's got them.

Like, whoever, now, whether or not this. I mean, how? Dude, like, is it in a vault somewhere? No, no, no. No, no. When I say someone, someone could be people flying around in ships. Someone could be. Spielberg's theory.

Someone could be God. Someone could be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you mean. Someone could, someone, is what I'm saying is not necessarily. someone alive. I'm just saying someone, somewhere, someone has the answers,

whether we ever will get the answers, and everyone will know the answers. I know exactly who it is. Who's that? The flying spaghetti monster. What's that? You've ever heard the flying spaghetti monster? No, I don't think so. It's, it was something years ago, I was working at

production partners at the time, down the street from you at Warner Brothers at the time. And it was like this joke of like, oh yeah, no, it's basically, you You know, it could be anything. Okay. So it's a flying spaghetti monster. You know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, you know, a bean of ultimate power. Right. That looks down upon the judges, the grants the wishes, you know, ushers you to the other side. It's just a flying spaghetti monster. Perfect. I like spaghetti. All right.

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Let's talk about this O'Hare incident. Yeah, this is a good one. This is a good one. So tell me what you, because you went down the rabbit hole in this one. I know that you, it was first, we first saw it, first I learned about it,

was during that, the five-part documentary, UFOs investing in the unknown, a National Geographic one, which has kind of started my journey on this whole thing. Reignited mine, I would say. Yeah, yeah. And then it's so basically,

this particular case was the one that I always bring up how more people don't know about it because it's so fascinating so after you kind of dove into it what stood out? I mean it goes into the part of what we're talking about.

The thematic through line of the show I always feel like is the belief in what you just saw and then what it takes to put it out there, right? When you say, I saw this because what was seeing was shared by

number of people on the ground was shared by some pilots. And, you know, down to the, you know, when this thing took off, it was a gray, metallic kind of shape. And when this thing took off, it literally punched a hole in the, in the clouds. Right. And so they were met, everybody who was reporting this was met with just extreme scrutiny. And, you know, people are like, no, it was the weather. And that's what they ultimately reported it as.

it was a weather thing because it was X, Y, Z, and somebody came on, some meteorologist was like, oh, the punch in the cloud is a well-known weather phenomenon, and this, this is not. And so, you know, ultimately these pilots, which is, it mirrors exactly what I feel happened in close

encounters, where they're like, eh, okay, you know, that's, like, what happens? Yeah, but that whole punch thing was... But let's talk about what they saw, because when you have so many people, you know, sharing the same experience.

How many people, I know that they, a few witnesses, I had it here, sorry. Yes, I'll give you, well, you look for that. Basically, the breakdown of it is the Chicago O'Hare UFO sighting occurred on November 7, 2006, around 4.15 p.m. 12, United Air. There we go. United Air employees.

Yeah, 12. And a few witnesses outside O'Hare International Airport. So we're talking 15 people. Yeah, they reported a sudden UFO sighting. And the federal aviation aviation administration refused to investigate the matter because this unidentified flying object was not seen on radar instead calling it a weather phenomenon. But what they didn't say is because this was a, because Keene was doing the investigation on this as well. And she said that when they did some further up on it for this whole punch, they said it's a whole punch. And then they asked some weather experts and like, well, it could be a whole punch.

If the weather was below like minus degree or whatever it was, it was. it was like 56 degrees that day. So that was, that, that, that was thrown out the window. But that's right. When the, when King came a calling, yeah. I was say that three times fast. I know. But when they, when they started doing this, this, um, story on it, a lot of people

were retracting what came out, I believe. Something like that. So at approximately 16, 15 CST on November 7th, federal authorities at Chicago O'Hare International Airport received the report that a group of 12 airport airport employees were witnessing a metallic saucer-shaped craft hovering over gate C-17. The object was spotted by a ramp employee who was pushing back United Airlines Flight 446, which was departing Chicago for Charlotte, North Carolina. The employee apprised Flight 446 crew of the above aircraft. The object was also witnessed by pilots, airline management, and mechanics. No air traffic controllers saw the object, and it did not

show up on radar. So the Freedom of Information Act released the transcript of air traffic controller's phone reporting to the FAA, which is what you hear on that documentary. Witnesses described the object as completely silent, six to 24 feet in diameter and dark gray in color. Several independent witnesses outside of the airport also saw the object. One described a disshaped craft hovering over the airport, stating that it was obviously not clouds. According to this witness, the object shot through the clouds at high velocity, leaving a clear

blue hole in the cloud layer. The hole reportedly seemed to close itself shortly afterward. According to the Chicago Tribune's John Hilkevich, the disc was visible for approximately five minutes, and it was seen by close to a dozen United Airlines employees, ranging from pilots to supervisors who heard chatter on the radio and raced to view it. The reaction from the Federal Aviation Administration and United Airlines, both United Airlines and Federal Aviation Administration initially denied that they had any information on the sightings until the newspaper, this is what you were talking about, right?

Chicago Tribune, which was investigating the report, filed a Freedom of Information Act request. The FAA then ordered an internal review of air traffic communication tapes to comply with the Tribune, which subsequently uncovered a call by the United Supervisor to an FAA manager in the airport tower concerning the sighting.

The FAA stance concludes that the sighting was caused by a weather phenomenon and the agency would, therefore, not be investigating the incident. According to astronomer Mark Hemergren, the weather conditions on the day were right for a hole punch cloud and unusual weather phenomenon, even though the other one said there wasn't.

UFO investigators have argued that they refused to look into the incident contradicts the agency's mandate to investigate possible security breaches at airports, such as in this case, an object witnessed by numerous airport employees and reported by at least one of them hovering in plain sight. The NARCAP report says that they published a 155 page report on the siting and has called for a government inquiry

and improved energy sensing technologies. So this is a... What is that? The Chicago Air Airport UFO story was picked up by various major mainstream media groups such as CNN, CBS, MSNBC, Fox News, Chicago Tribune, and NPR. There you go.

So on February 11, 2009, the History Channel aired an episode of the television show UFO Hunters with the titles, aliens in the airport in which they reviewed the incident. So, I mean... This is always the story, though, when they cover it.

it's always like, you know, at the end of the news. Yeah. And they're like, a fun story outside of Temecula. Three people saw a disc in the sky and it disappeared. Cuts to them. It was like, it was over there and we saw it. And then you see the grainy footage. And then, and that's it for tonight.

We'll see you next time, Joan. Let's cut the little Timmy hitting a home run with a hot dog. Yeah, but they kind of always have this like, yeah. Right. Well, like you said at the RNC? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. It's just something, it's, you know, it's like, you know, they're going to close it out the next day with, you know, a girl's lemonade stand. Right. So I understand, and this one is so interesting, though, because I just keep going to the idea of like 12 people, right? Yeah. Aviation, like in various degrees of working in the airport, which is always a theme here. You know, it's an airport or it's a nuclear facility or it's something, you know. So I just don't know how you read that and don't go, okay, the thing that stands out to me are 12 people,

the kind of the differences in the media's reaction, the differences in how they go, okay, we're going to retract that now and investigate because the news is now coming in here, that that's not enough data to just kind of go, what happens? What happens? It's like they're always shut down.

every investigation is always shut down and whether it's you know people saying someone telling them to shut it down not to answer any questions and there's the X files you know that's where it's like you know somebody comes in and goes we're shutting this down right now and we get everybody over here and then

but it seems to be always the reports of this like when you look at that Japanese flight that happened in 85 right right that's another good example that's what happened where with the one guy who's talked about it a lot it's just like yeah they didn't ask for this piece of information so I kept it yeah And then the other thing that I saw was they did like this hearing with a lot of prominent, a lot of prominent figures. I think it was like 2004 or something like that.

Like it was, I can't remember because I think Keane was involved and I think that James Fox was involved. I think all these people were involved. And like I was reading one of the military guys that was like he was given this whole thing about everything that he was saying the same stuff that Grush did, but he had seen it. And more of those things. And he's like, and he talked about, I don't know if this guy still lie, but he was like, if they ever have a hearing and they need me to talk. I'm talking. I don't know what happening. But what I do know is this.

And this is bringing up that Zimbabwe case. And this is something that they asked the guy on the Y files to cover, and I hope that he does. That Harvard professor, the guy that did the interviews at the Zimbabwe case, right, the environmental guy, he was really, his career kind of took a hit. And the people were outspoken.

They did an investigation on him where he didn't even, he hadn't done him. anything. But they investigated him because he was, they didn't know if he was mentally, whatever it was, and he wasn't. They kept him on there. He's fine. But he was really starting, he was starting to go on Larry King. He was going, all these things and really talking about

it a lot. The same, he, he was killed by a drunk driver. And which people think was a little nefarious. The craziest part, I forget the guy's name. Let's, let's say, and I'm not doing the guy justice, let's say his name is Ben Smith.

Okay. That same day, like five or six other Ben Smith's in the same area. It's kind of like Sarah Kana. Something like that. That was from the Wi-Files guy. That wasn't like a... And again, I think I got the numbers kind of messed up.

Sure, sure. I definitely got the name mess up. But you get the scenario. Yeah, yeah. So this is what we were talking about with like when that lady from the hill was like, but who? Who?

That's their stuff that has happened that has been passed off as accidental deaths. And not to say that they're all nefarious. but like people who are talking about it in depth. Yeah. And then wind up. There's tons of them that's happened. That's tons of them.

That nefarious stuff is, I believe. Yeah. But it's also then it almost, well, it does. It contradicts everything that the government does. Right. By saying like, we don't really care. Kind of, they give an air of care. We don't care.

Right. Right. So open up these investigations, please. What do you have? What's over there? Is it collecting dust? or is it nefarious in that you just, you know, bumped off homie over here because of X, Y, Z.

Well, Roxy said it, right? If it's not, if it was really, if they didn't care, and for 70, 80 years, wouldn't you just say, okay, listen, this is so stupid. Right. Like, this is so stupid. See, that's where I get, this is what drives me nuts. It's like, if, if I knew, then the bottom, I said,

they don't have shit. There's no aliens. There's no UFO. What was this? None of this. These people are making this stuff up. I'll tell you what. That's a lot of people.

Right. Here's what we're going to do. To put this to bed once and for all, we're going to, and I'm going to tell you what we're going to do now. Because you guys keep pushing this thing, and now we're going to show you. We're going to put the money into this thing, and it's going to be on your shoulders to show you. We're going to make this whole thing. Where do you want to look? Okay, let's go look.

Boom. You say there? Nothing there. Okay. Now how about this? Okay, so you said this and this. Okay, Bob Lazar, what are you saying? you say this, this, this, well, let's investigate

that, we'll show you. Like, people who work there, fake, fake, fake, that never happened. Instead of this going, well, I don't know what I'm talking about. It's just weird for everybody who says, well, I can't see it, well, we also don't see the people who are saying that it doesn't exist going, let's show you the concrete proof.

Well, because I don't think the demand is there yet because we have the So if there were a lot of people you know, it's louder now, but not loud enough. It's not loud enough. And again, there's got to be more. And I think honestly,

I mean, I know we've talked about the Independence Day scenario and not just, you know, they're going to blow up New York, but like a shared event where it cuts to all major news stations. There's something hovering, District 9, perfect.

There's something hovering over the Eiffel Tower. We don't know what it is. Check it out. And everybody's like, okay, you know, that would be one way. But with all of this, I think the advancing of technology that is going just at the speed of light now, it seems, will get us there sooner rather than later. I feel, because we're going to then, there might be more to a cell phone in 20 years. Right.

Right. Right. what it could be to where something's flying by you and instead you're just like right you know your eyes are you you have it right so then it plays it back and more people I don't know I'm going down that radical

but it's like you just technology should be catching up sooner or later there's got there has to be more evidence the further we get I mean we're getting sooner or later we're going to land on Mars you know sooner or later we're going to get even further you know so I I think think that this is a natural progression.

Yeah. Granted being stifled. Right. Well, look, there's reports all of the time still. Like even on August 25th, Strange Lights in the Sky reported by pilots around the eastern Colorado, right? There's reports. You go to Colorado. Yeah, there's a ton of them out there. There's tons of them. There's time. I mean, they're always, always reported. Michigan, where I saw them. I mean, you know.

I'm telling you, it's going to be, it's going to be this thing, as we say every week on this show, that it just has to be one where if you're watching this right now and you're a skeptic, you're like, I don't think so. It's got to be for that person right now who's writing the comic going, you guys talking about this and blah, blah, blah, to go, sorry and I said that. Like, it's got to be something for like the most

skeptic of skeptics to go. To go, oops, sorry about that. Like, that's... Contact. That's the kind of... A close encounter of the first kind. The third. First contact.

Isn't third? I think it's like meeting. Third is meeting. Third is meeting. I think first is like being abducted or whatever it may be. Really? I thought first was just seeing. Was it go backwards? Third?

I think so. Oh, it was fourth or fifth kind. Whatever maybe. I think fifth is. Where they're having Starbucks together and talking about their screenplay. Each level goes up. I mean, and that's, I mean, do you believe in abduction? Do you believe in people?

I have a very close friend that. that 100% believes he's been abducted numerous times to where they believe that they've been implanted. And it's like, and I even said to him, and it's almost like you're a shark, and they tagged you, and they're watching you. And he's like, 100% he believes that. My question is, why him? I mean, if you saw him, you might understand. Kai Blackwood. He's the coolest guy, but he's, you know, he has the vibe of the black spiky hair.

the tattoos everywhere, the mascara, the painted nails, you know, a band, the hard metal, talented as ever director, you know, but believes that that happened. And he was with me when we saw the UFO. And it's something he just goes, yep, he sees him all the time. It's interesting. And I don't know what to believe about that and make of it. But I talk to him like, I believe, I've been with him when I've seen it. You believe him.

I believe as much as I can. You believe that he believes it? I believe that he believes it. Right. 100%. See, that's kind of where right. And I believe that it's in the stories that he has told me are crazy.

So this is a question that I think a lot of skeptics were asking that, but I'm not asking it for a skeptic reason. I'm just curious. Is he a big drug guy? No. No. No, not at all. So like my answer to your question where do I believe in it, I know that I am not in a position to where I say I won't believe it.

Sure. Sure, sure, sure. But I, because it's hard for me to believe, but it's also not one that I'm going to, I don't, like I said, I don't know what any answers are. It's the same reason that when somebody says to me that they're so sure that, like, that their God, they know. And I'm like, I love that you've got that kind of faith. I love that. Right. But don't tell anybody else that their belief is wrong because if you, like, booing.

Buddha, I mean, if you believe in, whatever you believe in, whatever you believe in, well, I've got proof. How do you, you know, you have a belief. I've got proof. You don't, you don't have a proof because you, there's no proof for him. He doesn't have it. That's what I mean. You know, like, well, my point is that's why I don't, it's like, you can't tell anybody

what, what they believe or whatever, what's right, what's wrong. It's like, that's why I have this, I have an issue with, with, with, when religions are so like, we're the only religion in this sense. You don't have the authority to do that. I do because of my faith. Yeah, but what's the difference between their faith? Yeah, there's, you know, where is your proof? That's what I mean.

You know, some people could put it in books. The abduction case, Whitley Schreiber, Christopher Walken in Communion, that movie, that's a very famous abduction theory, the abduction story that is one of the scariest moments. Have you seen that movie? What's it called? Communion? No. Christopher Wacken is going absolutely nuts in this one scene

because there's an alien down the hall coming back to get him because he's been abducted. Is it actually an actual? It's a true story based on his... But are they treating it as an actual... Yeah. Oh, it's a completely straightforward take on the material. The coming to get me.

Yeah. The, he's that. No. It's kind of like that, but it's scary. He's literally screaming his head off. And one of the scary shots I've ever seen, seen in a movie, this gray alien you know, the big eyes and the, you know, is

looking around the corner at him and I'm like, get the, right. Well, it's still one of the scariest moments ever, like, signs. Was that, that shot? It's, that is in that discussion that nobody brings up because signs is a bigger hit. And that, that shot in signs is scary as

F yeah, when Fawking Phoenix jumps up. I believe the, I believe the communion one is even worse than that. It's scary. It's interesting. Yeah, maybe it hasn't aged well, I don't know. Well, we did it again, Riley. I think that ultimately what the show is going to be, to be honest with you. I love it. I love conversations like that. I think that's what it is. It's going to be like, because right now,

as we, if there's more news that kind of comes up, there's always articles, there's always sightings, there's all those things. And we'll talk about that, but I do want to talk about certain things like whether it is cases like the O'Hare ones, other ideas of different universes, things like that. And it's like, we're not, this is not the show where we're ever going to say, as I said, a definitive matter of fact, this is what it is, because we don't know shit. but what I will say is that be open-minded in your conversations and it's like now even if you don't believe like

don't shit on people for what for what they believe in but have conversations and that's why again I give a lot of props to this guy on the Y files because he approaches it in a way that is just very it's it's intelligent he has the information and he's got good facts and I think that everybody should approach conversations that way so even if you're commenting here today on things you believe you don't believe tell me why don't believe him. Tell me the, or why

you do believe him. And give some, give some facts, give some video evidence, give some back and forth and always willing to have a good conversation over here. So, Mark Riley, where can the people find you? Go find me on all the socials. At Riley around. Make sure

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