The Kristian Harloff Show - UFO Whistleblower David Grusch shares details in a new interview!

Episode Date: September 12, 2023

Join the website here! http://www.thekristianharloff.com UFO whistleblower David Grosch blew the lid off of decades of secrecy when he testified at a hearing saying that he was told about crashed, otherworldly, technology, and potential bodies. His first interview was on news nation. After the hearing, we hadn't heard from him mostly. In this surprise interview that lasted over an hour and a half, Grosch sits down and talks with Jesse Michels about the things he discussed and Mitchell also theorizes on a bunch of different things involving the cover-up. We discuss if we learned anything new in this interview. What were some of the theories? Do we by any of them? Canada also had a report that was released earlier about a potential encounter with a UFO. And a new document is set to reveal more to the public in 2024. Join Kristian Harloff and Mark Reilly as they discuss this on today show of the big thing. #UAP #UFO #DavidGryijg #CoveredAve, #Government #Aliens. 

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Myself and Mark Riley here today to talk about that phenomenon, the UAP, UFO phenomenon, what the latest is. Is there any movement? Is it just going to get buried like it has been over the last 80 years? Well, look, what we've been talking about on this show is, look, we're going to go through the current topics. What are some of the stories that people are talking about that they're not covering on the mainstream. We don't pretend to be experts. We're trying to figure out the same way that we want the public to figure out,

like to start getting information. Like, wait, what said what? Who said who? And last night, I get tagged in a tweet X and it says, David Grush, UFO whistleblower, a new exclusive interview. And I'm like, okay,

I had the same reaction that Roxy Stryor had when I sent it to Hers. Is this real? Who is this? This guy, Jesse Michaels, they're like 140,000 subscribers, and I don't know who he is. But he's got David Grush for two hours. He sure does. This is an exclusive two-hour documentary type style.

This guy, this guy knows people because this guy was at the hearing. And he's very smart. He knows his stuff. And he sat down with Grush, and they talked about a lot of things. Now, we'll talk about that documentary because Riley watched it as well. Some of the things that was theorized inside of it. And did we learn anything new? Did it give any information that we didn't know before?

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UAP Tuesday, me. Mark Yodius Ryleus. Happy to be here. As always. Nice to have you. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good one to talk about. This is a good one to talk about because, you know, the thing is that even last week,

we got into a few topics that I thought were pretty interesting. We broke down, I think last week, the O'Hare one? No, last week was the government website one. Yeah, but there's a few topics. there's always going to be something to talk about because there's been 80 years of cover-up, right? Yeah. If you believe it, which Riley and I do believe in the fact that there's been a major cover-up of, again, what actually the information is, what it is out there in the sky, all of this and more. But David Grush has really been, like when it comes down to this, like, even like now, when you bring up names of UFO, the stars of the UFO, conspiracy or whatever,

whatever it might be, or just the phenomenon in general, all the different names that have popped up in the past. David Grush is now going to be etched in history with this stuff. He's the Taylor Swift now. Right now he is. Of the UFO. He's stormed the scene. He's selling out SoFi Stadium.

Yeah. Well, but I think so because he is very much on the front line now because, I mean, it brought me in the hearings. Yeah. Now this. It's incredible to see. and he is like, I bring up Taylor Swift because I think he's

saying what I think a lot of us want people, not want people to say, but he's, especially with this documentary. He was just so open. He's open, but he's also what I like about him. But he won't tell you everything too. He'll go, eh, I can't go there. He also doesn't know everything.

Right. He doesn't pretend that he does. But like if you look at something like Bob Lazar and David Gras, and they mentioned Bob Lazar a little bit, very, very different circumstances here, as where David Grush was an intelligence officer who was put on this program, did some investigating, came across a bunch of different witnesses that were in his office, talked him about certain things, and he found legitimacy in a lot of it,

and then obviously got to a place where he said this stuff should be revealed. And he even says inside of this documentary, a handful of times, he says, you know, it's just you can't release everything, whether it's reverse engineering and that, That was a big point. Yeah, because if it's like if you're going, if you're, if it is that and it's being weaponized, you don't want to give other places, other countries, information that they could either get to or all these things. But the arrogance that we've talked about many times of that this group that has been holding these secrets for 70, 80 plus years, that they know better.

It's the way that's been done, peons like you and I and you watching at home, you don't get to know any of the stuff whether you believe in it or not or whether you believe whatever the information might be what is it what even if it's if it's anything it's just too coincidental and that the same thing keeps happening with details and reports

around nuclear facilities of all these different things and all the eyewitnesses of these in this I call it a documentary that this YouTube channel did it was absolutely. It's absolutely impressive I loved every minute of it But hearing them say these, like, the stories that Gresh is telling, but, you know, from some of the, you know, O'Hara incident, but don't tell anybody what you just saw. Right. It never happened.

Never happened. And so people, people are like, you know, these air traffic controllers, these nuclear scientists working at, and it's all nuclear. They're all like over the nuclear facilities. And I love the questions asked therein in the documentary. Is this like, it's this, like they're trying to warn humanity? Right. Are they watching us? Or those zookeepers. The zookeepers, I loved. Yeah.

Because one of the reports is like, it knew we were there. It was almost like a breathing. Yeah. Like, you know, the saucer that it was. Favour. Yeah. Frivor. Yeah. And so the idea that you're being clocked by this thing. And they're just like, and then the zoologist comment, it's just like, yeah, my friend who believes he's been abducted. many, many times, believes he is being watched, is being controlled, not controlled, sorry, I shouldn't say it that way, is being studied. Right. Because he's had so many times,

and funny enough, the time I saw my UAP UFO was with him. So he has a fascinating way of describing it. I don't know if I believe all of it, but it's fascinating. Well, I mean, a lot of this stuff was fascinating. What I did find fascinating, too, is that, and I couldn't tell if it,

it definitely didn't discredit rush at all for me. but I wondered, as I was watching some of the ways that he was talking about things, that where I could see people who were watching, who maybe had an idea of, oh, this guy knows everything, right? There is more stuff this guy Jesse Michaels knew more than Grush. Like, how many times did you hear him bring? Oh, yeah, well, that's the guy that was associated with this in that program. And Rush was incredibly knowledgeable.

He really was. And Grush goes, oh, really? Yeah. Like, it's like some of the old, like, 1940s cases. And as, and this is. This is completely a me thing. There was a couple of times when that happened. And I'm like, wait, isn't this guy supposed to know everything that's happening?

I was like, who said that? Who said that he has to know everything? He knows this particular program. Well, that's that that's going to, that's the, some of the skeptics out there, I believe. And anybody that's willing to discredit this, even my lovely wife who just don't want to watch this stuff, just goes, he doesn't know everything. And she doesn't even know. Right.

You know, it's just a comment. Right. And I think that's, it's, you're going to be met with that when you, when you say, and he, because, his position, he's been told things. So it's not first account kind of stuff. You know what I mean? He's not sitting there watching it and going, hey, I believe this.

I saw this. He's like, no, I was granted access to all this classified information. And I did my due diligence. I talked to people and then, you know, and they get into it, stuff that he's talked about in the hearings, you know, the biological remains found in the crafts. Right. You know, reverse engineering, which was what I believe to be, it always is.

Well, I mean, that makes the most sense that people have been trying, and I think even Burchett, when Jesse Michaels, I think is, they asked them at the hearing, he said, do you think that they have gone any headways? Like, no, we'd control this guys if we did. Now, I don't know how true that is. The one thing I will tell you, and this is my nerdiness, the one section of the documentary that I didn't love was the time travel part of it.

Because they go into this time travel thing, and they talk about how the reason is, like, They theorize that maybe because one of the reasons that these things are interdimensional that are traveling from the future, which is possible. Again, it's just a theory. They don't say this is fact. They said because one of the reasons they don't want to interfere at all is because they could hit the different timeline and then they could screw everything up.

And I was like, in my mind. That's a leap for me. But that's not to me, if you listen to most physicists and you listen to most people who believe, and not that anybody knows the answers, but if you listen to most time travel theories, That's not the way time travel would work. That's not the way time would work, is that there's so many different infinite timelines. Again, theory, none of this is proven,

but the majority of theory is that it's like, it's silly to bring it up, but like, you know, whether it's like Avengers or... Back to the other one, everything everywhere all at once. You don't mess, if you would, hypothetically, if you believe in the theory the way that I do, if I went back in time, in a timeline where you and I met,

and I told myself, don't talk to that guy. Don't meet that guy and go away. And my version of myself does, never talks to you ever. That would not affect what we're doing here today. It would in that timeline. In that timeline, those two, that's right now. But that's what the multiverse. That's what the multiverse theory is.

And that's what a lot of people believe in the multiverse is, is that that particular timeline would just now. If I went right instead of going left. Yeah. Now, that's, so when he's talking about like that it would, That's why Back to the Future, one of the best movies of all time. Worst time travel theories ever. And even say that in any game.

But it is. It's one of those things where I just was watching that. And they lost me on that part of it just because I'm such a snob when it comes to those types of things. It lost me too because I was like one earth altering news event at a time, please. You know what I mean? It's like it maybe it's something connected. I like in this interview when Grush is talking about, you know... And that wasn't Grush, by the way.

No. That was just this guy, Jesse, kind of theorizing. Theorizing, right, right. And you can kind of see Grush's eyes glazing over a bit, too, with it. But no, the idea, he brought up, you know, this is two of the biggest questions we have. Are we alone in this universe? And what happens after death? Right.

And he kind of alludes to knowing one of those answers now. Yeah. Which is crazy. And that's what he said, though, too, though. He said, Grush, it was like, you know, the fact that we have one of those answers. answers. And yet we're not giving the public that answer of whether or not we're alone and we could. And when you look at all the different theories and you look at all the different, my thing that's, because they touch on this in the documentary. And we're going to get it in the

comments because we get it every week when we talk about it. I'm just so fascinated by how, because of all the, I guess, the distrust and the things that the government has done, the things that media has turned around why there's so much distrust where people can just look at all of these military the portrayals of what happened and the testimony of what's happened through air traffic controllers, military pilots, these, again, people who, a lot of them who have not benefited, yes.

And look, Grush, by the way, to be fair, Grush is now part of certain organizations and things to try to make money off of this thing too. So you should absolutely, you can take that into consideration. You can't say he's not making money of it. Fair. He's making a career out of it now? Fair.

And you can judge it. But there's a lot of different people who have been involved in these things that when you look at all the different reports and going to the same point we made in the past, if you paid attention to all these cases, and you keep seeing the same cases pop up in every documentary, whether it's the one with a nuclear facility in the 60s that shut down, and they said it's not normal, for one of them to normally shut down, most less 10.

And when you look at that one, if you have that information as a skeptic, and you pay attention to all those things, and you combat it with the facts, if you pay attention to that Zimbabwe case, and you come back and you say, well, I actually think this. And you have a, you paid attention all the details,

and then you have something to say, then I listen to you more. But, like, there's a lot of people who, like, when they don't, I don't listen to it. I don't listen to it. I believe it. It's like, you've got to pay attention to the facts first before you just shoot it off to the side.

Yeah, what would you call? I would think that's like 80% of the populace. Easily. Well, not... Probably even more, maybe. I don't know. I used to think so, but there was a report. I don't know if it was News Nation or the Hill, whatever it was.

They said that it's 50 or 49% believe in UFOs and aliens now. But how many of those are going to go, like... It was the entire... How am I trying to describe this? They're saying like, yeah, I believe, I want to believe. I believe it. It's deep down. And then, okay, here's the proof.

I don't know. I don't know. How many are deep diving? Deep diving. Again, it's skepticism. And we've created a culture. It's even touched on in the documentary. Like, you know, what came first, the UFO or the depiction of UFO.

Like, you know, calling it this. Who knows? It's been in pop culture for so long. And I put it up there with the, I always say that. Fairies and Wizards and U.S. UFOs are all in the same genre in our America. Throw it into social media after. Yeah.

That's a blender of just nonsense sometimes because it could be said this way. And then somebody says it this way and it's telephone and it goes all the way down to. You see Grush saw the lockness monster on the moon, you know, and you're like, I don't believe that. It's true. It's, it's hard because it's going to be, as we've said, there is nothing. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter how much this documentary could potentially. I will say this.

I don't think that this documentary really had too much new information as the way he sold it. No. It's interesting. There was a point. I'll bring it up,

but finish, please. It's very interesting. I think that he, what it does very well is put together cases of things that we've talked about on this show that a lot of people talk about

in general, that if you're really getting into all of this stuff and you're really paying attention to it for the first time, it breaks down certain things of certain projects and like Project Blue Book

and other things of the way that there was cover-up stuff, the one general that was involved, how it involved Oppenheimer could have been and all these different things. Like all that stuff is fascinating and I thought it was really great. But the stuff within Grush where it's titled

as Grush tells me everything. I mean, he doesn't tell them anything different that we haven't heard before, really, right? No, but you really couldn't. It's a YouTube title. I understand. But it's also not just a YouTube title. It's the second sit-down that he's had with anybody.

So it is a very, very relevant thing. It's not, it is a, it is a, Again, if your first time, you're like, okay, I started listening to it because YouTube butthole started talking about it. And then I started paying attention to it. I don't know how much I would believe, but I paid attention to the grush stuff. I watched the hearings. It's a fascinating thing to watch because, as you said, as you're walking in here, it's a well-put-together documentary. It was really good.

There's a point there that I really like that I think could really help with the public perception. It's not something that it's like not known to, I think, all skeptics and people. in the government. I'm sure the president of the United States could know something or this person or this person. But he said if you knew that that, like that person knows, they're big. Right, right, right. That's, whoa, that person. He eludes to that. Russia alludes to that in this documentary that the people that do know certain things and probably even more than him were shocking to him. So it won't happen. But if we get some, those people to go out there again, the should we always say at the ID4 shared event, you know, that everybody can see.

I believe, again, I will say it every time. I believe it with technology, the way it is, something in the next 10 years, I feel like, could change. Yeah. I really do. I just figure that, I mean, they've been able to hold it for so long. I mean, it's this program that they've been doing for, I mean, when you look at the stuff that happened in the 40s, that's to me the most telling stuff.

It's like they reported this stuff that it came out, it happened, and then there was some kind of meeting, especially the same type of secrecy, the same team that was responsible for this. People forget how secretive the Manhattan Project was. Yeah, because he even said that it's part of that Manhattan Project also had the access to the UAPs because it's that secretive. And any kind of nuclear thing that can either be manufactured by us,

Oppenheimer or anything that's classified as nuclear will then become classified itself. And if there's a car you're in and you get out of that car and it stinks like a fart and the last guy out, probably did it. And that was Condon. That was who? Condon. Probably could use the elevator, but car work. But Condon was the guy in, he was the, basically the general. or whatever the hell he was where it was like,

okay, look, you need to tell everybody no such things as UFOs were going to stop. And he said it was the death blow to the UFO research for years. And he was stopped. It was like at first it was open. It was like, we're going to do this. And then it was. And they covered it.

Because they found something. They want to fucking make it. I don't know if they covered it in the phenomenon. Or I don't know if it was covered in the UFOs investigating the unknown, but they talked about that guy for quite a while. I think it was the five-parter. And they talked about that guy.

And they were like, yeah, because there was Heinrich, who then was like, no, no, no, no. This is legit. And we got to pay attention. So the other thing that they said in documentary, I didn't agree with where they said that Blue Book, at first, is partially true. Blue Book was the cover of program. Basically, it was created for them to say, okay, let's just have the public. No, everything. And they put, because Heinrich at first, when he was working on it was like, nah, this stuff isn't real.

And he said a couple things that he regretted saying about. that it wasn't real. And then he started taking it really serious. So he's not wrong. Kind of not on Mike Grush with what he was talking about. Yeah, I'll see what's out there. It's probably met, you know, space metal and this and that. And then he was like, what?

Right. Would you imagine the internet? The internet had a lot to do with Grush blowing up the way that he did. Because if Heinrich would have been around, he was on Larry King. Yeah. Larry King used to have these people on all the time. But because he couldn't, you need these viral. clips. You couldn't get these things. It's just media, man. It's changed so much. It has. Everything.

Well, I mean, the news nation interview wasn't even on TV. It was on YouTube. Yeah. And it's like, so that if I just wonder how much it would have been changed and how much more people would have been aware of years before with guys like that. If, you know, I mean, it's just, it is fascinating. When you look at this, it's the same type of stories. It's the same thing over and over and over again. it's the same type of like someone saw something like you said someone comes in they visit they go you didn't see nothing it's like oh okay but then a few of them do speak out a few of them do and this is what we're getting but I don't know maybe the skeptic in me and I've been talking about this on the show the last couple of weeks I think I saw an article today discrediting grush and talking about how the one that I said that he's profiting now and and that he's it's going nowhere now and we're just going to go back to where it was and we're just going to go back to where it was and I start to believe that. I start to believe that it's almost like one of those things where it was fun for everybody to cover for a little bit.

It's fun for people to say, oh, maybe we do. Oh, here comes that crazy UFO thing again. Yeah, just a news cycle. And it's just the vicious circle. And it's just the same thing keeps happening over and over again. And if somebody does get a video of it, it's like it just, the men in black come, they take it away. But I'm telling you, dude, if I ever see one,

it's going right up on this YouTube channel, like immediately. I know if I get something to, yeah. And then the YouTube channel goes away. Yeah, right? Then the men and black. Yeah, for sure. Just be two guys in suits sitting here doing movie reviews.

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The thing that was also fascinating that we've heard before, and again, I want to give this guy credit too, because he doesn't just blindly say, this is factual and this happened here, and this report came up. He's like, he's got receipts. Some receipts that he doesn't have, he makes it pretty clear that he's not sure

the Kennedy stuff, right? So for people on, there was a report that supposedly on November 12th, 10 days before President Kennedy was assassinated. He had written this letter talking about how we should be more open about the UFO, UAP stuff, and that they were curious about how it was going to, the stuff they wanted to share with the Russians and other things that they were going to do. And then, you know, 10 days later, he was assassinated, and they said, like,

what the guy said in the documentary was, this document that was released to show this supposed letter that Kennedy wrote, was some kind of declassified document that came out in, I think it was it, was it 2006 or something? Something along those lines? Whatever it was.

But he said, I tried to contact this guy that requested this thing to come out, the guys and gotten back to me, so I can't prove the validity of it. So that one I take with a grain assault. Take it a huge grain assault.

Yeah, I don't know how much. Kennedy was involved in a lot of other things that he wanted to, with the Vietnam War and other things that were going on. Cuba. BIA, you know, potential. I will say that, and I think I don't think I'm on too much of a tinfoil hat with this one.

I don't think that it was just Oswald personally. But I think Oswald was involved more than he was letting on to be. I don't think he was just a patsy, as he said. But I just think from, again, physics. It doesn't come from back there. I don't know. Yeah. But my point is, I don't know how much that has to do with UFOs.

Yeah, it's two different conspiracies for me. I believe he probably knew. I mean, there's a lot of president, even in the documentary, you know, pulling together a lot of the clips of... Right, the Hillary Clinton thing with the book was interesting. Yeah, that was funny. You know, so she has Rockefeller, right?

It was Rockefeller over, and she's got the Are We Alone in the universe thing? And because he did ask about, you know, the Rockefellers. Hi, what am I trying to say? rich people who will fund these things. High society. High society. I mean, think of contact when the first one blows up.

And then, you know, rich dude in space was like, no, worry, I built another one. You know, it's their own interest is,

it could be Elon Musk, who's like, I want to buy Twitter because blah, blah, blah. Well, which was interesting about they show him too, right?

And he's been, he's been pretty, and this is a good point where they say, because we've talked, it was fascinating. We talked about this two weeks ago, the simulation theory, right?

And so he's all in on the simulation theory. Like Elon Musk. He believes that it's all simulation. But he's pretty adamant now that he doesn't believe in UFOs. He doesn't believe in aliens and those things. And they even said, because Grush was like, come on, this guy, this is this guy, this is one guy that needs to ask more questions and do some stuff too, because he could probably get some stuff done.

So whether there's an ulterior motive behind that and why, I don't know. I really don't, but it's all, it's pretty fascinating. Yeah. It's for me, it always just comes to what I can see with my own two eyes, what I have seen with my own two eyes, and then what the government has released thus far, and then the people that are coming out on record that are legit people in my eyes, this all begs questioning, begs to, you know, ask what is that?

I don't know if it's, aliens. I don't know if they're little and green. I don't know if they're a gremlin. I don't know what they are. Yeah, well, that's, and that's part of the theories that we're coming at in this documentary. Like, look, again, the fact that we got Grush for like almost two hours was interesting. But this documentary, to be clear, is a lot of theories more than anything else. Like the News Nation interview was like the breaking news information that came out and it was a straight up information piece. There's only so much that Grush, they even say it in the documentary.

there's almost so much so much you can say if he doesn't want to get thrown in the clink. Yeah, and that's what he said. He even said that in the declassification process for him itself, he was talking about when he talks about the biologics found in the craft, they're like, I can't believe he could even say that. Right. And he's like, well, I suppose I could say more. They said it was okay. So I know he's going through the processes, and I know that, you know, that's why he says, well, I can't talk about that.

And it's also funny because for people who are not following this in the way that we are, if I'm watching that hearing as a casual viewer, I'm like, oh, okay, well, I guess they figured all this stuff in the skiff, so why have we heard more? Well, the skiffs were denied. Yeah, they were denied. They were denied the skiffs. And that's what I also like about grush. Keeps going up.

I like about grush is that when they ask him questions, like, you know, well, how come you didn't have the skiff? He could be like you and I, yeah, because they're covering stuff up. And he goes, I don't know. I'm not sure. And he's trying to keep it. Civil? His demeanor is fantastic.

It really, really is. And I'm, you know, there's, there is stuff, like I said, that where he, he seems as much of a fan of this stuff as anything else, too, though. He's like, oh, that's interesting. And he's very smart. Like, when you hear him and the two of them talking about certain things, these programs, there were a couple times, I'm not going to lie, like I've always told you. I wish I was smarter than I was when it came to quantum physics, because I want to know everything about quantum physics because it fascinates me. but sometimes I have to like turn, shut everybody up

and say, don't say, because if I miss one word, I'm gonna be lost. And there was this one section where they're like, blah, blah, blah, and this. And I'm like, wait, what? And I'm like, I don't know, subtitles are not, I don't wanna get this. But it is fascinating to watch the two of them speak

and how much quantum physics is related to all this. Because what I do is. I think it's absolutely a major part of it. I think that's why we don't have, conclusive proof that we're not there yet technological wise understanding wise

because you have your great minds during the Manhattan Project like Einstein and Oppenheimer and all these different people trying to figure out the atomic bomb and they figured it out and it was secretive and it was this and it was back in the 40s. So what now when we have great minds that

are delving even further not only into quantum physics but you know time travel multiverses, whatever. Whatever it may be, science will unlock this. I personally believe that. So when I see evidence, like the Tic Tac video,

which Grush even said back in the 40s, it was the butane tank. You know, a flying butane. Right. People have been seeing this thing for years. Seen this thing for years. Again, that's, that's, why is that? You know, why are some of,

Why are most of these experiences all shared in some way? Similar. I mean, so similar. Very much so. You know, but it is something that I believe it's just, there's a big part of me that believes that there is,

you know, let's call them the men in black, the higher-ups, that do not want anybody to know, you know, because they have the ultimate secret. Yeah, whatever maybe.

It's been done for 80 years. Yeah. You know, I always liken it to the space race, Sputnik. going to the moon. Nobody's going to want to share that stuff. We want to get there first.

United States, Russia, China, whoever has potential UAP stuff, if they find it, the government gets it, you bet your ass they're going to try to reverse engineer it and figure it out. So I believe it's everybody has their little black book, skiff, excuse me, whatever. They're trying to do the same thing, get to the moon first. Fly one of these things.

whatever it may be, it's a secret. And I think they know and can rely on people out there that will have potentially permanent blinders on, that just can't, for whatever reason, they don't want to go there because there is so many classifications of this crazy world we live in, right? And the human experience is different for everyone. And some person, like my mother,

who will, you know, know I'm having a hard time, say, well, I was praying for you. Right. You know, I was talking about. to the angels, you know, that kind of stuff. And I love you, Mom. Thank you for that. But what would it mean for her if it was like, because I brought it up, UFOs. Now they don't exist. She just... Right, but she believes in angels in the sky, which, again, nothing against people who do believe in that. The human condition, and that's why I say human condition. It is what we are

all going through. I will never fault anybody for believing what they believe. That is a God-given right. Exactly. And so, but I do believe that it can be so inherent to someone, person that my mother angels are there looking out for us and the Ticktack flies right next to it you know what is that

what is like that what that means to be told that we're not alone in this universe when that person could be like we're not alone in this universe except for he who lives above us in a golden chariot looking at again we don't we don't know and

in no world or myself or Riley, poo-pooing anybody who believes in anything, like whatever. No, because I believe a God and I have religion in my life. Sure, and whatever that might, whatever it is, but it's also the idea that there are tons of people who will say, oh, yeah, there's, that, well, there are gods out there, or at one point, people believe that Zeus was out there, people believe that all these things. Thank you. Thank you.

That's kind of, look at the different timeframes of our existence. Sure, I mean, look, this did this. To explain things in the things. the sky, explain earthquakes, who explain this. All this, so different religions have believed in different entities throughout time. But it's funny that like people who are like, there are a lot of hardcore religious people who believe in these different entities and then they go, yeah, that thing flying around the sky, I don't know, that doesn't exist.

And it's like, well, you can't, you got to be open minded on it too. If you're going to be open minded on the other thing, that's my opinion. But what I thought was fascinating what Grush also said was that, um, with the idea that You're going into the reverse engineering and all the things that we figured out if we, if we tapped into nuclear energy that quick into where that was, we split the atom, right? That the idea that you'd be able to actually eventually bend space time and all that stuff. And maybe that's essentially what they're working on.

Like you said before, where you don't want to get it. If that's what we're working on, it's like this, people always ask this too. This is a question I get when any time I bring this up now, I was at breakfast with a friend a couple weeks ago. and she said, well, how come no other countries are talking about this? They all are. And the thing is we don't, when they're not covering what, there are countries that are not being covered on our news

because they're too busy covering Trump and Hunter Biden and other things. They're not covering stuff like that. They talked about in this documentary. The Indian government is very transparent and they're not hiding any secrets and things. And then they have this whole documentary, and the thing that happened in Japan. And there's tons of things that are happening. there are many sightings like, oh, people who were watching this

originally were like, oh, that's pretty convenient that the U.S. is the only place. Yeah, I never got that. Yeah, I never got that. It was just like there are so many sightings out there. All you have to do is one Google search, and you will see just how widely... It's insane.

The phenomenon is so widely seen everywhere. It doesn't matter where you are. Yeah, it scares me. think that human beings in general are trying to bend time and space it it really is if if to try to be able to I mean travel yeah that's why I loved Oppenheimer the movie I mean the the could the question of do we need to do this to right to unleash this into the world that kind of power especially especially when it's not it's not we it's just a group of us that's like that big that's not telling the rest of us and not giving the rest of us a say that's

the stuff that is that is you know it would be the same thing if somebody if an alien came to me in michigan that time i saw it and it landed and it said hey here you go we got ben spacetime right um travel uh the galaxy and the speed of light uh time travel right here and here's who killed jfk you know and the alien gives me all of that of which one you can find out you mean yeah well did the secrets to me, right? And I were able to do this, and I now in the Oppenheimer of the alien world or whatever it may be. Mark Riley figured it all out. You know, I don't know how, but he was in, you know, this, this, this, and this. They found me. I don't know how they found me, and I write it all down, and I give it to him, and that Damon walks out as one of the government guys,

and he goes, thanks, Riley, and they drive off. We don't need you anymore. That's how, that's what happened to Oppenheimer. That's what happened to anybody like this. This is what the government wants to do. They would probably want to get all these secrets and just take it. And that's that small... The misconception on there, too, even hearing you say it, right? You lump in it as the government.

Oh, yeah, yeah. But it's not wrong to say. A lot of people say this, but it's not even the government. It's like, and like they said that there's this one... It's powerful people that... They said this is one report in the beginning of this documentary where they talked about, and I forget who requested it, but it was like in the late...

Or the 40s. And they said that the one thing that has to happen because it'll just be too expensive for UFO program is that it needs to be a side project. It needs to be something that is funded outside of the government itself. Like NASA. But that was in the 40s.

And we'll get to NASA in a second. But the 40s, but it was the 40s. And it's not NASA. It's this group that's running outside that they alluded to in the hearings. It's this group that they keep talking about that AOC's like, where it's this funding, How is this funding coming from?

And where's that going to? It's just crazy that in 1940s it was suggested that that's what needs to happen. And here we are in 2023. And that's exactly the reports that we still, like, this thing does exist. And this is what's happening? But you talk about NASA. And what was the show with Al Pacino about the Nazi hunters when they're wondering around Amazon? Yeah.

It's based on a comic book. Huntinged. Is that what it's called? Hunters. Hunters. Okay. Yeah, something like that. So it's funny because when I was watching that show,

I watched season one, I know, season two, Logan Lerman, I didn't see season two. But there was like a whole, the idea that there were, there are these Nazis that were working inside of the U.S. government.

And I had said, I wonder how much of that is true. And then when you see this, dude. All the different government, German scientists, Nazi scientists that they plant. Like straight out.

And these weren't just like, everywhere in the, got U.S. government to learn from? They shipped over a lot of these scientists that were working for the Germans and the Nazi regime studying UFOs were moved over to NASA and running NASA and running the space program for the United States. Hail Hydra. But, dude.

And then Crush is like, I don't think that would happen today. I'm like, you're probably right because of the idea of the fact that you have so much. much more of the, you know, again. I could, we could turn this into a whole other podcast right now, you know, if we went the other way. But isn't that, but like, it's, it's the idea, but showing that's, again, this is, it's not, like, yes, they did this, they did all these war crimes, but they could figure out a lot of stuff

about space that we don't know. And it's like, it's, that part of that was weird. Yeah, that was a fascinating part where I understand somewhat, but it's just a weird. I understand the conversation of having them involved. I don't understand having them run it. Yeah. Like to give a power piece.

Well, I don't know. It's a different time. I get it. Like, oh, you know, it's a bit more people who are worried about, like, we won the war, and now we have these people working for us. But it's like, when you look at some of the stuff that some of these guys were doing, like one of the guys was running one of the camps. It's kind of like Mandalorian season three, getting some of the ex-empirates.

you know, being folded into the new republic to rehabilitate. That's the idea. It's not a, I don't know if it's a good one. Well, I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's, again, that's back in the day. That's the 40s. That's the, you know, early 50s. Very different time.

But nonetheless, what the fascinating part besides just what we just talked about was the idea that a lot of these scientists were the ones that were in the UFO programs for the Nazis. and they were the ones that were studying all the stuff there. And again, talking about how other countries did it. But look, it's fascinating. We just need transparency. Yeah, the documentary.

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I put the link in the description, and I also pin the links as the first comment below. Right, this is a fascinating, fascinating story here. This is one that came out just yesterday, or two days ago, rather, I'd say. There's a secret memo about shooting down a UFO, and I was sent to Justin Trudeau in February, and it has become public. Yes. Trudeau's administration has now disclosed that while many of these UAPs appeared benign, object, hashtag 23's purpose, mode of propulsion or connection to any nation-state remains unverified.

This is from First Post, and this is Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau received a surprising memorandum concerning an unidentified flying object incident in Canada's Yukon territory. This memo came to his attention in February shortly before the search for the mysterious identified aerial phenomenon. UAP or UFO was suspended. The classified document revealed that the Yukon object marked the 23rd UAP siting over North America in the early weeks of 2023. It followed a disruptive event involving a Chinese espionage balloon that entered U.S. airspace on February 4th. Subsequently, U.S. authorities reported three more incidents of objects being turned down from the sky. Besides the object in Yukon, puzzling aerial entities were also intercepted over Alaska and Montana between February 10th and February 13th.

Trudeau administration has now disclosed that while many of these UAPs appeared benign, we said that already, and then there's a woman who's making a guy smell her armpit. This heavenly censored document dated February 15th was acquired by CTV News through a freedom of information request. It uncovered the perplexity among Trudeau's top officials regarding the object. Just two days later, attempts to recover the craft in the rugged terrain were abandoned, leaving Canadian authorities uncertain about its nature. Documented previews insights into Trudeau.

response to the series of UFO sightings that captivated the Western world earlier in the year, preceding several hearings in the U.S. Congress on the possible existence of extraterrestrial craft. This seems like the same old story, right? I was just going to say, this is like we've now entered the conversation or the time in my life where I'm just like, yeah, I'm not going to be surprised by these stories. It's just the same thing. Because there's too many out there. Something happens. It's a big report.

One of the major leaders knows about it. Oh, and then they were told to stay away from it. Mm-hmm. It's like, it's so frustrating. And they got more stuff for their, for their, for their, for their everything. It's so frustrating. Like, it's just like. Seriously.

But it is. Seth Rogan was on to something. We need Paul. We just need, we need, we need, we need an alien to come out and it was going, yeah, whatever what happened. Right. You know. I know. I know.

It's just this kind of, this, this, this, this, it's just really not that surprising anymore. I know. But it's also what's going to happen in general. Like, it just goes back to that same question. It's like, what's going to happen with all these reports coming out and the same things? And I just hope James Fox was right. I really do. Because remember he had an interview about a month ago where he's just like, now in the next year,

there's going to be tons of new information that's going to come out. So I mean, I was saying 10 years, you know, just with the advancement of technology or something happening. He's talking about like more whistleblowers, more people coming out, more information, more. I can see that. More footage, all those types of things. And it's like, I hope that's what happens. And then you get that other guy that we talked about a couple of months, a couple weeks ago. We said that they're coming to visit in 2027.

And like I said, hey, man, plans change. It's like you can't, don't, I don't, when my family members, I'm coming to visit you in November. I go, I believe it when I see. Yeah. My sources say the end of the world will happen on February 14th, 2020. Valentine's Day. Bummer. Rim Ron, are you ready?

Hey, forget it. We'll let them live for another two years. You never know. This news, this Trudeau thing, you know? Yeah. I buy it. I buy it. I buy it.

Another thing is, and there's tons of them. What's crazy is every time I'm like, are we got subject? What are we going to talk about this week? Because when it comes to a place that there's not any major stories that have come out this week, which there usually always is, if there isn't, then we can break down one of the, like, phenomena that has happened over the year. I want to really go over that nuclear one soon, the one from the 60s.

That'll be one that we really cover about, I think, a little bit more depth than we even did with O'Hare. But this documentary pops up today, this thing with Trudeau pops up, and all these things probably, there's always, it's, it's, there's so many different stories that pop up

and you will get, and I do agree also what they said in this documentary. There are a lot of people that are just like grabbing at it to, because, you know, they want to get. News cycle. Yeah, the news cycle. Clicks of the day.

But it's also talking about how there are people who are just kind of charlatans and people who are just like selling snake oil and those types. And they're out there too. And some people will say there's certain, I mean, they didn't, do they talk about Greer at all?

I know they mentioned them like briefly. I can't remember. Like, because people don't really know what to make of Greer, right? Like, I don't know what to make a career. But there is, for me, when I look at, I think when I'm watching Greer talk, I feel like I'm watching like, you know,

a science fiction show that I'm like, this is cool. Yeah. But I don't buy any of it. Yeah. Listen to Grush. I'm like, like,

because there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of stuff that they talk about inside of this whole thing, not just Grush, but the way that they, they talk about the military programs and all these different things that have happened. And I'm like,

this is scary stuff. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's the two different kind of UFO documentaries that I, it's like one, the ancient alien stuff, or it's like really out there kind of fun enjoyment, kind of like, this is not a documentary, this is a show where, you know, big foot's an alien, you know,

whatever it may be. I don't really like those. It's the stuff when it's concrete, when it's legit people that are, you know, credible people, that's when I start to take notice. Just watching these old press conferences and things like, there was that one, I think it was in 2004 when they did that one with all these people that were involved in it, And the one guy was like, you know, they need me to testify at a hearing. I'll testify.

And I don't know if that guy has since passed or whatever it was. And he had a lot of different information. And like, there's a lot of people out there that are legitimate, legitimate career people that I don't understand why they would be lying. I just don't get it. Like, I'm not going to tell you that for people who answer, oh, profit, I'm not going to tell you that there aren't people that are like that. Yeah. But all of them? I don't know, man.

I know. at a certain time maybe back in the 80s or something, you know, where we're just kind of like walking around with like, you know, aqua net in our hair and like, you know. Well, that's the Bob Luzard. Right. But, you know, our world is changing. And it's like I feel like so many people just take for granted that this is like the craziest thing to ever happen to our society.

What, the internet? The phone. The phone. We have something in our pocket that can. record everything. Send an email, buy a thing of licorice. Listen to music.

Whatever it may be. Liquor is the first place you go. Yeah, you know, because I found this. Yeah, I just bought some licorice online. Fair enough. And I was like, that looks good. And I got it on my phone. Red?

Red. Yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm saying. It's just we don't, we take this for granted. At one point, we didn't have this. Right. So. We also rely on it. It was very much rely on it.

much so, but, you know, technology changes you. Right. And changes things and the way you look at things. And so, again, it's just like, look around. We are getting to a point where there are stuff that you cannot ignore. I'm sorry, you cannot ignore this stuff. Yeah, well, that's, well, that's, I mean, that's ultimately what they say inside of this doc.

And I would recommend the documentary. Again, I'm going to give the, I'll be able to tell you guys exactly where it is. It's Jesse Michaels, I think that I'm pronouncing right. I'll put a link in the description note, too, but it's right now, as we're taping that says about 578,000 views went up around 20 hours ago. It'll be close to 48 hours when this episode goes up. But it is really fascinating.

I think that it's worth the watch if you want to check it out, just to see. And I think this last thing I want to talk about here, and this is this thing on the Fair Observer, and it says UFO disclosure, is it the most significant law in human history? After a hearing sworn testimony on evidence of alien intelligence,

Congress is now drafting a law that will require agencies to disclose information to the public, that Congress is taking the matter seriously in the first place, implies the testimony and further evidence provided behind closed doors has a substantial basis in fact. And this is also pretty interesting. This is from 1941 where they have the Roswell one. The first thing, this is what I was talking about.

Like, well, before they did the weather balloon stuff, they said it captures a flying saucer on a ranch in the Roswell region. And then a couple days later, they said, No, just kidding. It was a balloon. Yeah. On the face of it, the proposed National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024. All right.

One of the things that they say here, interesting little quirks, pepper the legislation, ongoing claims relating to waste from the Manhattan Project, can be found in Section 1099 AA. No doubt essential reading for anyone who's just come back from seeing Oppenheimer. Section 581 extends deadlines for a review of World War I Valor Medals. Who would have thought this was something we were figuring out and spending money on? And they talked about the start. to resonate when they get to Division G, which is the unidentified anomalous phenomenon disclosure.

When you see it, you're scrolling immediately pauses with first thoughts of wait. Did I just read that correctly? The division in question is described as the unidentified anomalous phenomenon disclosure act of 2023. So what does that actually say? There are no prizes for guessing what it might be associated with following recent sworn testimony by David Grush, Fraver and Graves before Congress this summer on the subject of strange goings on in the sky, Crashcraft from other worlds and biologics described as non-human in origin.

Evidently, members of Congress have followed up on Grush's multiple responses along the lines of, I can't answer that now in public, but can do so behind closed doors. Those meetings appear to have taken place, really? And those few members of Congress who are security cleared to attend those meetings have reached some astonishing conclusions.

Now, what I will say about that, when this documentary came out, remember, he's been recording and holding it for a little bit. It was only like a couple of days after the hearings, I think, right? Did they mention, because I missed the last part of it, do they mention the whole thing when they try to do that smear campaign against Grush?

Did they mention, yeah. Did they mention, I can't remember. No, and I don't think they did, because it came up, it probably happened after this documentary was recorded, and that's why this particular thing, maybe they did get into a skiff after this. Maybe they did have some kind of conversation.

This article, to me, is pretty fascinating. Yeah, it's good news. Fair observer. it really is. And it's like the idea that this particular, I'm going to dive more into this because the idea of the UFO disclosure of the most significant law in human history, if they start really actually getting in there and it just really dive deep into this thing. I'd actually like to cover this a little bit more next week, Riley. Let's get into it a little bit more. But I think what we can get from that is, you know, again, if they're going to disclose all this information

and make it available to the public, it's up to the public to go educate the themselves rather than say back i mean yes and no it's also it's also the the idea that eventually they've got to get to a place where the mainstream entertainment yeah it's not news but the mainstream entertainment starts saying okay let's uh let's start covering this because it's like the only you know now no the main stream or or politics or people or whatever it is I guess, again, I go to this, the Republican debate, when that question was broached, it became a punchline.

Right. Until they realized, though, but until they realized the backlash you got on the internet. They sure did. Yeah, they're like, oh, by the way, I do believe, you know, and that became a politic talking point. Of course, it is it because they realized that, again, when 50% or 49% of people believe that it's legit,

and it's not just, this is what I said about this show, the one we're doing right now, why, like, in no means a year, year and a half, we've always been curious and fascinated by it, but we weren't diving into it the way that we have been this, the last couple of weeks, and that's because we want to represent

the people out there that are asking questions. There's always new people. I mean, Hell, Grush was one of those people who were skeptical who were skeptical who was not going to be skeptical, who's not going to stand or eventually going to go, oh, I really read into this stuff, and I want to ask more questions. That's going to keep happening.

happening. And so that's kind of who we want to represent because I've always been, like, Ryan mentioned ancient aliens, that show. When I turned on that show, the UFOs investigating the unknown. When I turned that on, that's what I thought I was getting myself into. And then I quickly realized, oh, wait a minute. This is a little bit more serious than I thought it. I was always fascinated by that, the Tick-Tac thing that we saw and how all that came about. In the New York Times article, I was fascinated by it, but I didn't keep up on it. The way that I did after I watched that. What's weird is, I started watching that series, and I knew nothing about those hearings.

I didn't know those hearings were happening. Yeah. And then, after getting more into it, I was like, oh, this is kind of like energy pushing me to go check this stuff out. So I want us to be that kind of voice for people, you know? Yeah. We're just questioning. It's asking questions. It's asking questions.

Yeah, it's as simple as that, because it's, there's, I keep using the analogy, smoke. there's fire. It seems to be a lot of smoke. If you look at the credible people, my own experiences, of course, color this, but that TikTok video really, really, really changed it for me. And then now the hearings, this article that we're talking about disclosures, you know, slowly getting out there that this is serious. It is. It's serious. It's fun to talk about. It's fun in the way that, like, again, answering the question, are we alone in this universe? That's not something you don't, as being a little kid sitting out there in the grass and looking up in the sky going. I think as your wife and my wife have proven also right, I was so excited, Riley, like yesterday, and I knew it was too good to be true.

Same. She said, I'll watch this movie. So I'm watching the David Grush interview and my wife sits down next to me and starts watching him. And I'm going without saying anything. And I'm going, whoa, is she actually getting interested? it and she's and she so we're watching she's going on and he starts talking about like the physics and stuff like oh we're going to lose her and he's going on for a little bit she's watching I'm like all right she's locked in and she turns to me she goes how are we going to watch this

shit for oh god that's how long is this I got that I go well it's yeah and it's it's over an hour it's over an hour and then she goes and then she goes I don't know if I believe him I go you don't know anything about them and I think but but what she did is she represented the majority of people who were just kind of, look, I was talking about it with Katie. We were talking about it. And she's like, and she jokingly kind of pokes at me. And we had a guest on the show, her podcast that we can't disclose yet.

It's a good one. And she's like, wow, he's really into it. He kind of follows all that stuff. And I said, yeah, because they said the same thing. There was a guest on, I think I brought this up. There's a guest on the show that we had on Katie's show. And they start talking about the UAP stuff. And the guest said, well, I think that it's because of the reason it's, he said, you know,

it's just coincidental that when all this stuff was happening in the news, that's when they did it. And I think it was to divert attention. And he was in the middle of the interview when I was listening to it. And I stopped me after a cycle, let me just say this when it comes to that particular thing. Because I'm going to tell you to believe, you believe you believe. But when it comes to that, that one I always push back against, because I think it's the silliest argument. He said, why?

I said, because the day of the, you're talking about the hearings in general. I said, the day of the hearings on mainstream media, that day, I'm not talking about days following because it's been Trump is the lead story for every day. But that day was Hunter Biden was the lead story. Trump was the second story. The serial killer was the third story. Something else was in a puppy buying, you know, give me treats for your puppy. It was like five.

And some places it wasn't even covered. Yeah. and other places it was buried as the last story. So I said that doesn't hold for this. I say maybe if you're talking about News Nation or the Hill, you want to make that? Okay, but they're covering everything over there too. And he's like, look, it's a good point. He's like, I guess that he didn't believe all of a sudden, but he said that's a good point.

So think about that stuff before you, because it's just the skeptic in all of us that goes, I don't know. I don't trust anybody. I mean, you shouldn't trust anybody. You should. Question everything. Clearly. He is skeptic in your life, but then make your decision,

based on the facts in front of you. And if you can look at the Tick-Tac video and listen to some of these stories and so I don't believe it. I don't, yeah. God bless you. Exactly. All right.

Well, that's our show for this week. We can get more into that document next week. I think it's pretty fascinating. Probably going to break it down a little bit more. And who knows what's going to pop up. Maybe another interview. But nonetheless, I put the links in the description for that interview.

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