The Kristian Harloff Show - UFO/UAP Phenomenon: Mexico, NASA and a Skeptics point of view.

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

PATREON: Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow There was a lot of news this week in the UAP/UFO news cycle. There was a hearing last week in Mexico. There was a lot of new information but the story was of the supposed alien bodies that were revealed. Pilot Ryan Graves called it a stunt. Was it? Was there and legitamcy to it at all? NASA made an announcement about their research in the past and going forward and transparency. Tim Burchett says their proposed UFO committee was denied but a second hearing will happen. We welcome DJ Wooldridge who is a skeptic of the UAP phenomenon and asks a lot of questions. the conversation is really fantastic and we were happy to have DJ on. Enjoy this show with Kristian Harloff and Mark Reilly. #ufo #UAP #Mexicoaliens #aliens #extraterrestrial #nasa 

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. It is UAP Tuesday. That's right. We talk about everything going on in the world of the UFO, UAP phenomenon. Yes, there was that second, last week was kind of crazy. There was that second documentary or I said interview rather with David Grush, UFO whistleblower. And that went on for bid. There's a lot of information that came out. A lot of the same stuff. Riley and I talked about it a bit last week. But then after that, a whole lot of stuff happened. Then the Mexican hearings came out. And, I mean, if you had the footage that they showed of the UFOs in general, and Graves was there, and Avi Loeb, and everybody that was there was there. And I feel like it would have been a story that more people would have been like, okay, what's going on now? The skeptics in the room

have more to put their finger and go, see, because of what happens? And, you know, happened at that hearing. Now, I know. Some people still think that the little ET alien bodies were still, maybe they were real. I don't know what they were. We just know that there's a lot of evidence that's come out that the guy who put them up was a notorious showman that he smuggled them out of Peru somehow and all that. We're getting to all that today, too. So yes, we'll talk about that. The other big, there's two other major things that happened this week. The NASA, there was this, they had they finally came out, talked about what it was. And I think it's actually a much bigger story than people are talking about. out because the thing that they did say inside of it, and this is to me why I think a lot of skeptics are going to be like, well, wait a minute, because NASA, there's always, well, what's NASA say? What does NASA say? That's always been the thing. What does NASA say?

Well, NASA said, we have no evidence that it's aliens, but we're not telling you it's not. So we'll get into all that as well. And then finally, Tim Burchett came out and said, they're not giving us that committee. They're not going to give us that committee. But we are getting a second hearing. That shocked me. I didn't think that was going to happen. So if we get a second hearing, what the hell happens there?

Who's going to talk? Some of the people that were supposed to talk the first time that didn't? Interesting. We'll talk about that and more on today's show. So if you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before. I'm just asking you to show a little class. Hit that button. That's right.

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. UAP Tuesday. It is exciting times. And I'll tell you why. Not only go to all the stories I prepped up top. And not only because I have my buddy, Mark Yodius Riley here, as always. I had the perfect recipe for cake. Christian, we'll talk about that. Don't you worry? I mentioned this a little while ago, and you guys have mentioned this in the comments, that Riley and I are very much, we want to believe, right?

We always talk about things where it's like, okay, we don't know necessarily, we want to know the questions. We have our ideas of what we think it is, but our biggest thing is what are the questions. But you guys are always saying, well, you've got to have somebody there that can ask the other questions of what if it isn't

what you guys think is. What if it, you know, the skeptic side of you and a positive skeptic side of you. And I've mentioned many times, if you've seen last Thursday, I kind of went in on bread a little bit. And he and I have since shook hands. But I've mentioned my buddy, DJ Woolridge before. He's been on the show, not on this capacity. But I asked him, because he, DJ, to his credit, he had said a couple things where I was like, yeah, but I bring up a certain situation and you don't know what I'm talking about.

Well, DJ went and did the work. You watched five parts of the UFO Exploring, investigating the unknown. Still doesn't believe a lick of it, but I still am so happy to have him, and that is DJ Woolridge. What's that? Happy to be here. Happy to be here.

Thank you for having it. Just to be clear, I like to perceive myself as agnostic. Okay. Yeah. I'm agnostic. So you're not like full on, you're not full on like this isn't real. You know, I think the way I like to view it, because as far as I know from the, because I like looking at stuff from the scientific community in general,

not just on this stuff, just in general. And there's not, the data doesn't prove out to me, but I like, you know, tears of stuff like, okay, are there other sentient life in the universe? Universe is a big place. I personally believe, yeah, probably. You know what I mean? That makes sense to me. Are they coming here?

Could be. I don't know that I believe that. Could be. Do we have them, does the government have them in the basement? I guess possibly that's more improbable. But that's all fair in your presentation. That sounds like a wonderful conversation about to ensue. That's my point.

My point is, listen, could this stuff? Sure. Do I believe it? No. The hard fact of like if I said to DJ, guess what? They've got them. I know it. And he's like, well, show me.

And I go, well, I can't. I can't. I'm not grush where I know people who have it. I just, maybe. And the way that I'm going to present it is the same way as far as, that's what I was trying to sit at Brett, but definitely emotions got the best of me. I am just saying that I just think that, as where you say, there's not enough evidence out there to convince you that hard fact it is.

I just think there's so much cover up and potential cover up and so many fingers that point in a particular direction are going, wait a minute, what is that? and we keep getting the same answers of, from all the military leaders, the same way of, well, we're not really going to tell you. And, oh, it's nothing. We'll prove it.

Because let me ask you this, DJ, is in the military side of it. If the military, the government, because people always say the government, right? The government is covering this up. And what the government is saying is that it's not the government covering up. And what they said, did you happen to watch the new David Grush thing? So inside of that,

there's a particular thing that I found fascinating that in, this is an official document. This isn't like a, the one, there is a document where they, they, inside of that same documentary where like this supposedly came from Kennedy asking for UFO footage that wasn't confirmed. This document was confirmed. There was a military leader who said, right after all the Roswell stuff was going down, right? Yeah. And what this leader said was it will be too expensive for the government to search this stuff out. This funding cannot come from the government.

has to come from outside sources. It cannot be a official government program. It must be run from the outside. It must be essentially hidden, whatever the words were. And if you believe all the stuff that Grush says, all the stuff that, you know, Stephen Greer or all the stuff that various people have said throughout the years,

is that's exactly what has been going on with these. Do you think that there's a cover-up, not necessarily of aliens, but do you think there's a cover-up of what this stuff is? I don't know. I think for me, I think it's one of those things to, it depends on, like, I think to successfully cover up something, you know, you're fundamentally talking about lying. And the things that makes lies difficult are scale and the amount of people involved, right? So like if I'm in high school and I put a ding on the vendor of my parents car and it's just me and I'm the one that knows about it.

I might be able to get away with that shit. But if I drive it off a cliff in front of my entire class, my parents are finding out about that. Right. And so I think when you're talking about, obviously the government covers things up. I don't know that especially now that I think they're particularly good at it. You're talking about the government. But again, once you talk about skills, so if you're talking about, what was it? Didn't Grush say something like Lockheed knows about it or something along those lines? Once you start getting independent contractors, it's like, well, then this would be public knowledge.

Like it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be up to debate. you wouldn't be able to maintain a cover-up of that size because people, you couldn't maintain a secret this huge because this is something that would redefine physics, biology, history, all of those things with that amount of people. It just in my mind, it would be impossible. And if you look at stuff, and I know you're saying it's not government, but if you look, if you look at like covert CIA operations in the height of the Cold War, do you curse on this show? You can do, yeah, if you had, when they, let me, right, when they, and you hear the way they bumble through it. Right. And it's like, I don't, I just don't believe in people's capability, especially once you, once you,

uh, run up against, and this is true of whether it's government or business, bureaucracy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, there's no way that doesn't, it just doesn't all spill out. It's something of this scale. Yes. I mean, using his car analogy of, yeah, it's great. Yeah.

The difference. though, is if your classmates told people that your car drive off, people wouldn't look at them like they're crazy. Can you believe it? Yeah, that was my point because at a certain point with the Tick-Tac video, my own experience, which I've said many times on the show and just the cliff notes, I saw something DJ in the sky that was very similar to many people's reports. But anyways, the skepticism, the, I saw it on the, on the news when they're reporting on Channel 7 and I say, you know, that huge long text because I was angry for some reason. They can hide behind that, I feel like, to your point. I feel like that crazy shit can be presented to a small group of people in, like, of the CIA.

And then they're like, maybe they don't believe it, but it doesn't get past there. And then what does get past there is like, nah, you know, there's just lights in the sky. And it just becomes legend, just like, I saw Bigfoot. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like, though, you would feel as isolated in that if you were working on that same project with 100 other guys? No, yeah, you're right. I wouldn't feel isolated. And I also think about – and I'm obviously not as up on the canon of all this stuff. So you might be – so whatever. But, like, I think when we talk about this stuff, the questions I have, right, is, okay, so if something crashed, where did it crash? Who's responding to that first?

it's probably local responders, police, new stuff like that. None of those people told anybody. They immediately call who? The feds, the Army, Air Force. Who do they call? Well, let's say they call the feds, right? There's no jurisdictional pissing match between the different branches of government of whose responsibility this is.

Like there would be on other things. Let's say there's not that. So when they decide, let's decide, this is happening around the time where the Air Force is a thing. They decide it's the Air Force. this thing. So Air Force is like, we can't handle it. But now at this point, how many layers deep of people

knowing and nobody's like, we should tell somebody? Like, we should tell like, we should, yeah, I just, again, isn't that what David Grush is? Isn't that essentially who he is, though? But he is that kind of. Maybe, maybe you guys know. So, so, so for me,

how is it that Edward Snowden revealed that basically the U.S. is spying on its own citizens? And he had the flee of the country. And David Grush is on podcasts. And again, scale wise, this is like 10 times. Agreed. So like, how

is he? And because I know when I, we talked about this on my show with Roxy and she was like, well, he's got whistleblower status. It's like, well, how does he qualify for that? Because Edward's known, they're like, no. He doesn't. We will hunt him until the ends of the earth. Rush, yeah, go in. Do your testimony. But Snowden

Snowden wasn't part, he wasn't a high intelligent officer, was he? He wasn't, he was just a guy who, this guy was and Grush was a high-level intelligent officer. Yeah. He was part of,

and he was in the actual program itself, and also from his, from what he was saying, he was a full-on, not to your level of skeptic, but he was a skeptic. He didn't believe, he's like, okay,

he thought when they put him in on this thing, he thought it was a joke. He's like, okay, I guess whatever I did, to piss people off, or whatever it was, I'm now on a singing, the more and more,

and this is very similar to what I always, people yell at me every week when I say, it's Heenick. Not Heinrich. Heenick for, yeah, I always say, Project Blue Book. Yeah, thank you.

And I always say Heinrich. I have people get pissed to me. Heinick, it's the same type of thing. Because Heinek was very similar. I thought it was Heinrich, too, so I'll take it with you. No, they're more mad at you the way you say nuclear. Nuclear. Yeah, they hate it.

Nuclear. So anyway, but it's the same thing. Heinek went in the same way of going, okay, this, what, he was hired to essentially say, no, these are balloons, they're this and this, but after all the investigation, this is in the thing that you saw as well, too. The investigation after a while, he was like,

a lot of these can be explained, but there's a fair amount that cannot. Yeah, yeah. Now, we're not saying, again, we're not, there's two different things when we're talking about alien crashes and things, but there's, even NASA now is saying,

we'll get into it. Even NASA is saying there's a good amount that we don't know what it is. There's stuff that we can explain and there's stuff that we cannot explain. Yeah. And that's the stuff to me that is the most fascinating

that I think we can dive into a little bit, But as far as Grush, he was there, and then he started hearing all these different things. So when he decided to do the whistleblower status, it was after all those reports that came from the guy that was hired by, shoot, the freaking, the one that was with Clinton. Oh, Harry Reid. Thank you. Harry Reid, when he was hired by Harry Reid, like, so to answer your earlier point of how come people aren't talking, there are a ton of people talking, the question is, who's going to not go, I don't believe you, how come there's not more people talking? There's a lot of people talking. Yeah.

Well, you go to the Harry Reid thing. You guys talked about Robert Bigelow on the show at all. No. Okay, so Robert Bigelow is a wealthy real estate guy that's way into this stuff. And I don't feel like it's strong. It's too strong to say he coerced Harry Reid. But he definitely, he was a big donor to Harry Reid from what I understand and convinced him, hey, you know what be a good idea?

Do this UFO program. And wouldn't you know it, who was contracted to do this program, but Robert Bigelow, he's a character. He also wanted to do a space hotel, a floating space. Hotel in 2020. He's one that James Fox spoke to, yeah. He's also like a huge donor to Desanthus now. We're on Desanthus now.

But, and so it's like, and that was one of the things when I got a lot of heat for, after watching the first Nat Geo show, episode of Natsio show, I was like, I don't know. And that was part of it that it's like, okay, if you're talking about the program, why are you skipping over the Robert Bigelow involvement other than the fact that when you phrase it that way, it sounds like normal government graft, like, hey, I have a buddy that's giving me a lot of money. So yeah, I guess we'll create a program. to pay your program to, you know, pay your company to be a contractor, be a part of it. But, wait, DJ, but that point, though, Harry Reid was, like, a very, very, very, like, respected force in government, right?

So, like, if, if, it has that stigma of the UFO where you, where it's one thing to be, like, government that is paid off to do certain things to take donations, whether it's NRA or whatever it might be, right? Yeah. But if Harry Reid didn't believe in the side of there's more UFO stuff going on. Yeah. he couldn't say to the guy, can you pick something else? I mean, yeah,

I mean, I'm sure that he does believe it. I'm not, I'm not saying that anybody in these hearings aren't necessarily lying. I just know a lot of,

when you're talking about Congress and you're talking about the Senate, a lot of those people also believe life begins at conception. And just because they believe it doesn't mean that it's necessarily scientifically sound. Right, right.

Yeah, so I don't, I'm not, I'm not here to say like this person's lying or this person's whatever. I have no reason to not believe that Grush believes everything he's at. you know what I mean I just don't know

that like there is he's providing enough evidence or is there's enough evidence to back up the claims that he's making especially when one of those claims if I understand correct one of those claims is that yeah the government's like hurting people to keep them from saying this and it's like how are you here then well that's what he said though no no they said

they asked him if there's is he know in particular situations of threats and have anyone been put in harm's way what he was saying in particular was for him there were threats to me to answer your question

how is he still there it's been protected at some cost because he is getting threats continue to get threats but he said that he knows of other people who have gotten threats

but you look at Ryan Graves who was one of the pilots that was there in favor they said they have not gotten threats too so but there are other people and it's because you believe in the shady government theory

which a lot of us do too right there's also a lot of reports of people who were out and reporting and getting closer and closer and even the the Harvard professor that was really involved in the Zimbabwe case and then was mysteriously killed and like three other people with his name were killed on the same day but by car accidents and it's like coincidence maybe shady maybe but riley you were gonna you were about to say well i i mean

i don't know where to jump in with some of your points dj when it comes to like skepticism it's like i'm sitting here listening you going yep i'm with him now yeah it's like but that when it's when it comes to like crashed UFOs and having possession of an of a for this story I guess aliens right alien remains and whatnot and that's one rabbit hole I feel like then there's the rabbit hole of whatever that is over Chicago O'Hare when it punches a hole in the cloud yeah I feel like the us having the US government having access to alien technology that is what I'm most skeptical that's me too because then you know when we'll get there when you know the Mexican hearings happen and they bring out the aliens I mean I immediately went get me a Right. It's a step back. No. It was a step back. So that aside real quick.

But when it comes to like, like pilot seeing something and then the government saying, you know, no, you didn't. You know, there's a big amount. There's a large amount of pilots out there that just don't like the stigma of saying I saw something. Yeah. Right? So it's like I'm more in their camp, you know, having seen something. And how many, how many of these, if we're talking crashed alien crafts, when you think, you think about then not being able to identify these things, these UAPs, because they're so fast, because they're so quicks, because they do this, because they disappear, it's like what are the odds of them actually crashing versus them finding it? Because then all the red tape that you're bringing up, like the local authorities to the feds, to the this getting involved. I'm like, yeah, they would be really hard to keep that together. But when it's, so I take that out of the equation and be just like, we just have so much evidence in the skies.

And NASA comes out and says, we basically just need more investigating. That's kind of where I am because I'm less believing in the crash stuff now. But when Gresh says it, I am more leaning there because of everything I'm seeing. See, I'm not, I'm still in the same spot that I was last week as I am today because I think that I do, like when you look at. But I also believe there's government hiding stuff. And there's two different conversations. We'll finish up on this part of the conversation too and then get into actually what the hell do we think it is. The first part is I do believe in that there were crash things.

I mean, I absolutely do as far as the, and this is not a shot of you by any means. A lot of people have been like, well, if they're that advanced, how are they going to crash? How the hell do you know how it works? I don't know if lightning hits it. How do you know if it's weather? We don't know. It could be anything. Well, if it's that far advanced.

As far as the other thing that you were saying earlier, I don't, in my head, what I believe, right? And again, I am in the same way you're saying, if you believe in it, great. For me, I don't believe that it's light year. travel from other space. I just don't. What do you think it is? For me, for physics, in the way that everything that Grush has been saying, everything is those two, I think it is more likely if it is anything. What do I think it is? I don't know. But what do I think it's more likely? As far as, if you look at physics in the way that you, because of what they're trying to do,

bending space and time in dimensional through whether you believe in how you can bend space and time and all that, that to me is physically, if someone has the technology to be able to do that is more likely than thousands of light years away. Absolutely. Than like visitors from Mars. Yeah. That makes sense to me. I understand that.

I do think I have the similar issue in that, like, we have no, as far as I understand it, we have no evidence of other dimensions at this point. Absolutely not. You know what I mean? So you're still in the same boat of, which again is not to say just like, you know, I know people that are way into ghosts. I have friends that are big into Bigfoot and all that stuff. And so, you know, and I grew up like I love, I mean, I have the short.

on, like, I love cryptids and UFOs and all that stuff. But it's the same, you're, you're, that's that leap of, like, but based on the things we know, like, we have no evidence that this is possible, which is not to say, like, you could have somebody that was like, Hogwarts, the Wizards are real. Like, I mean, I mean, sure, but you, we don't have anything to, there's no, but that's, different, but that's, because let's say we, let's say eventually, you find out what the hell these things are flying out there. Yeah.

And that, essentially, like, because you, you do believe there are things in the sky. that we see that people are seeing. Yeah, I don't know that they... You don't know what they are, but you believe there are things in the sky. Let's say, hypothetically, they are, we found out there are these things that they're not other governments. Yeah. We don't know what they are.

Yeah. But there's something else flying around out there. And like NASA says, we're not saying that they are as trestere what I'm saying that they're not. Yeah. Because that to me is more likely if it's something, if they do prove whatever the hell it might be, there's something out there. That could potentially be evidence.

I'm just saying potentially. You could say that that's potential evidence. There is no potential evidence of Bigfoot. There's no potential evidence of Hogwarts. I mean, yeah, the Hogwarts one definitely. But when you go to Bigfoot and ghost people, it depends on who you talk to. Yeah, exactly. It depends on who you talk to, especially with the ghost stuff.

Or even if you want to take it to that scale, something like God. You know what I mean? Right. And it's one of those, like, I am not in a position to, to, especially when you talk about, like, having an experience. Like, I can't dictate to you what your experience was. Like, you know. Exactly. Like, I'm not, like, I grew up in, in a Christian community.

and all that stuff. And I can't, I can't, like, litigate people's personal experiences and stuff like that. Sure. And I think that is, I think I feel like UFOs in particular,

and I guess it depends, depending on you talk to, but let's say UFO, UFOs in particular fall in this interesting position where I feel like the community that invests in that, find it more believable because it falls under the umbrella of science. But simultaneously, that is why people like me find it.

more challenging because it's like, but there's things, this is now in a field that there is things things we know about. Right. You know what I mean? Things we can study, things we can measure, things we can stuff like that. Yeah. And so it is this catch 22 that I think makes it more compelling for some people and also more challenging to verify for others.

I think that's a very fair point for sure. And I think that's also why we've said it many times on this show like every week we say it. And it's a question I want to ask you in a second, DJ. But it's like what it's actually going to take for people to say, okay. Well, maybe that is more than when I actually see, right? Maybe it is. And I also want to know from DJ in a second, like what he thinks those things are because he's, like as he says, he, everyone thinks it's something.

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Kick those bad habits with a good habit, man. All right. So as we were talking about before we went to that little break, DJ, you'd said, you know, I asked you like, you, everyone here thinks there's something out there. We don't know what the hell's in this guy. What do you personally think that those things are? I think it's different things depending on the situation. I think it's a lot, I think typically what you're dealing with is, I think I heard a phrase that normal things seen in abnormal circumstances. So I think one of the videos, I think it's called go fast. I heard different things called Go Fast. Again, I'm not as like up to date on the canon, but that was part of the NASA stuff that we were talking about. And when you look at the video, it's like, wow, that thing looks like it's booking. And then when you do the measurement, it's like, oh, it's going the same speed as the wind. And I think it's stuff like that, especially when, you know, when you're skeptical like me, a lot of times, it's like, see that greening thing on a video?

That's an advanced alien craft. And it's like, but how did we come to that conclusion? You know what I mean? Like, do you have it parked somewhere that we can look at it? Like, Because it could be as somebody that, like, works with video and works with that. And it's like, that could be, again, going to the... Stephen Greer says yes. You know, like, it could be, like, you know, like going back to the ghost thing, my wife watches these ghost shows. And it's like, look at this spectral entity. It's like, well, that's a double negative.

I can tell you what that is. That's not a ghost. And so I think it depends. So when you go back to that, in that geo show, there was a thing. I can bring it up in my notes. But anyway, there was a things people saw. And the way the show presented it was like, they said it was swamp gas and everybody was really mad about it. And it's like, yeah, but swamp gas is a real, it's a real weird thing.

It's a real phenomenon. It's been around for a while. It's how we get the legend of the will of the wisp. Like, it's a thing. And it's weird. And so if you're not used to that, it's weird. And you might think it's something else. Like, you know, I've had, I'm sure a lot of people have had like, seeing weird things had weird experiences.

We talk about the pilots that have seen stuff. And I also wonder, because we don't have data for this, how many pilots saw weird stuff. And I was like, that was weird. And then they moved on. Right. You know what I mean? Because you see weird things. The other day, my wife and I were driving out and there was this, no clouds in the sky, except this weird cloud spiral.

And it's like, what is that? And of course, you know, my brain jumps to like, maybe it was somebody learning how to skywrite or maybe it was a plane crash. We don't know. But it was definitely, you know, the, I only bring that up to say, it was weird. And I don't have an explanation for it. And so I think it's different stuff. And I think especially when you get back to.

I think the first official official like UFO sighting was what, 1945 or something. I mean, I mean, I guess the first official. I mean, the ones. They have those farmers, I think it was the 30s, right? The 40s was Rosable. There's one that they picture that the two farmers took outside. I think that was the late 30s, maybe early 40s. But the point there is, I don't think commercial flight,

I think the first year commercial flight overtook train travel was 1955. So that's very early in air flights with people that don't necessarily have a lot of. of experience with seeing stuff in the sky. And then you get that. And then we have our canonized UFO lexicon. And then people grew up with that. And then so when you see something to understand it, you kind of feel that not understanding with this information that's kind of become part of the pop culture

understanding. And so you could see a variety of weird things and just interpret it different ways. But what about like the, I guess the point is fair when it comes to people not knowing what these things are flying. around in the sky at all because it has in the 40s of what is that I don't know what plane looks like how do I know what that is the butane tank but we did have things as far as like enough to where there was enough military people came out down the line right like from the 40s up until last week yeah whether it's pilots like graves and graver um saying that what

fraser what like there are things close that they saw close enough and that speed thing I read that you're talking about NASA. That is accurate. But there's also other pilots that were right there that said the things zipped by really fast. And if you're why the pilot's going to lie, that gets to my other point. There are so many and to your earlier point of how more people

aren't talking, if you go back and you look at not just that documentary, but you do all the stuff, whether it's stuff that James Fox talked to or just the hearing that they had in like 2003, not the official hearing, but the one where they brought everybody around, 2006, actually. The amount of military and like

actual people who are not just farmers drinking moonshine. These are these are like what's what does it have like to say that they actually saw something up close, whether it was alien craft or stuff in the actual sky itself. Besides monetarily, I'm not going to tell you they're not a lot of, they're not some snake oil salesmen out there doing stuff. There are. But not all of them. You think that every single person who said this, they saw it clear as day, they've seen these things clear as day.

They've seen these things clear as they. I know of people in the military that, that have seen things. things and as you said, don't you think there's a few of them? I know of someone in the military that same type of thing. There were quite a few, quite a few of them that saw something clear as day in this kind. Not a blip, clear as day. But there's a bunch of them. And to answer your question, well, why aren't they talking?

Because they were scared to hell of losing rank, losing this, looking like their lunatics, telling them to be shut up, followed, all of that. So that's out there, too. So what does the military, these types of military people have to gain? besides that, well, they can write a book. I don't know if anything. Again, I have no reason to believe any of them are lying. Yeah.

But, you know, I have every reason to believe that, you know, they believe that they saw what they saw. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But again, you're just saying it's hard. I understand where you're coming from. They can't say. Yeah, because it's like there are ways to say, well, I guess that's a better question.

James Fox when he was on, I figure what show it was, had a conversation. And again, to be, to your credit, and having an intelligent conversation. about this in the same way this other guy was. And James Fox did the same thing I did with Brett up top. He was at first, because you're used to doing this. And then when somebody comes at a point of view, he's, and the guy said, no, I'm actually a fan of your work. I just have a lot of questions about it,

and James was like, all right, he backed off and they had a conversation about it, and James said something along the lines, I'm going to mess the numbers up, but he said something along the lines of look, yes, when you look at the numbers of something, I think it's like 87% of the stuff that's reported can be explained.

But facts, from what they've said, around 13% of it. Cannot. He's like, that's what I want to focus in. That's what NASA said too. They don't know. A lower percent, they don't know what it is. Yeah. Like, what's that? I think it's, I don't know that is it cannot or

has not. You know what I mean? Like, like, you know, just because it has not been, for me, just because it has not been identified does not mean that there is not, it is not enough for me to be like, you know, time to throw out the physics book or whatever. You know, like, I think

because again, and I think, and I use this as an example just to give insight into my paradigm in that, like, I grew up around people that spoke and talks, right? Yeah, yeah. They believe that. Yeah. I don't. You know what I mean? Yeah.

I'm not saying that they're lying. And again, I cannot speak to their experience. But it's not enough for me to, for somebody to be like, I saw something weird or I experienced something weird. Sure. You know what I mean? So, and that's just, that's just how I, I, view. that stuff because of the environment I

grew up in. So it's like, again, like it's for your experience or anybody experience, you can't, I think it's, you know, textbook like unfalsifiable. Like, I can't. Right. Right. I can't tell you. You know what I wasn't there. I wasn't there. For me to change, and I'm not going to see these people are lies.

But for me to change my opinion on, you brought this up earlier, I think what I would need is I would need common scientific consensus. Like, like let's say alien bodies in Mexico, right? Right.

We've got them. And they're like, and we're going to let everybody samples to the entire scientific community. We all just saw Oppaheimir, so we know that science thrives within cooperation and working together. Yep. And a bunch of scientists, and you're probably not going to get everybody on the same page. But the mass consensus is that this is not of this world. And that, for me, that, is that is what I would need that data and I would need people that understand and informed in

that data to agree with each other. Yeah. That that's the case. I do, I am curious, what's the opposite of that? Is there something that could happen, what happened? You'd be like, oh, maybe this isn't, maybe it's not a thing. I mean, I think the same. I'm saying, yeah. Well, I mean, I think for me, but Riley, go ahead, Well, I think, yeah, to your point, I think there are a number of science-based people, I think, that disprove it or even in your talking points, and what I like about you, DJ, is like you're, it feels like skeptics go immediately, no, you're wrong. You know what I mean? When you're saying, hey, and you're like asking questions, and that's what I just really appreciate. But the idea that if somebody came out in the scientific community and went,

much like a hearing and said, all right. And not Neil deGrasse Tyson either. You know, I'm talking, you know, science-based and said, this is what I believe. That was a flying toaster. Yeah. That was catapulted in the atmosphere by, you know, a random tornado, whatever it may be. And this is, I would be, I'd be more prone to believe that. Yeah.

But what do that need to be the case for every single one of these? Not every single one either. No. Because it's all different. It's all different experiences, different circumstances, different circumstances, different circumstances, especially. For me, it's more full disclosure, right? Like, it's like, for me, if I was, if someone kept accusing me of something and saying

something, and I had the facts to prove that they were lying as you're asking, as you're asking, what would they have to show? Yeah. Okay, fine. What is, what, let me hear all the people that told Grush this stuff. Let me hear all that stuff. Okay. Let me hear all of them.

Where do they say I have this stuff? Okay. And, and with what they could do if they wanted to is they could say, oh, well, they've said this and now everybody get it the hell out of there and they can hide it if they wanted to. Sure. Instead, okay, don't tell me when you're going to come. Just invade, do whatever they have to do, just fine. Show me all these things where everyone talks about these different reports that have been out there, right?

And show me that they're all full of shit. Like, they just haven't done in the same way where they haven't shown you the concrete evidence. They haven't shown me the concrete evidence that it doesn't, right? They haven't shown me. Right. That's where I'm saying. It's more or less like, okay, you have all these people who say this exists, I've seen this, I've seen that. And do I think that Bob Lazar is telling the truth?

I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. But show me all the reports. And let me let me talk to all these different people, all these military people that have come out that you won't let testify. Let them testify. Let them have the skiffs. When the government starts doing things like, you know, oh, no, they can't have the skip.

They can't have the committee. They can't do this. This person can't testify. Why? If you're so, if you're like, this is silly, this is a waste of the resources. If you're like, what's his face? Chris, Christy go, damn. You're off.

foes. And then when he realizes it hurts his numbers and he's like, oh, no, I would investigate it. It's political shit like that, the same way it drives you nuts, drives me nuts. Because it's like, the answer to your question is, prove those statements of the ones that are saying are wrong. It's where you're saying, prove to me they exist. I'm saying prove to me that they don't. But this is so interesting too, because your point is coming out in your conversation and there's a big part of it, which is just the media, because the thing that I sent to Christian, when they're reporting on the hearing, on just the local Channel 7 news,

they framed it with, did they discover aliens? Nope. No aliens. NASA said no, there was no aliens. That's it. And that was the entire report. You know what I mean?

But that's not what the NASA report was. And that's not what the NASA report was. That's my point. You know, there's other things you could have added to that report. But to me, it just all fell into this, like, media, advertising, you know, ratings, You know, it's like, tune in because they lead it up. You know, next, are there aliens? You know, then you get some fabric softener and something that's going to lower your cholesterol and, you know, the next movie.

And then you go into it and like, nope, no aliens. And that's it. And it just feels like an incredible bias and an incredible way of just not taking it seriously when you can just highlight another part of that that says. But NASA does say that they don't know what that is. And there's going to be more infestigation because it's not necessarily alienation. aliens, but that to me just feels like they're wasting a report. They're wasting talking to people and getting them invested. Do you, for you, do you think this NASA thing is a step in the right direction?

Do you perceive that as a step in transparency? I do because, I mean, look, NASA, whatever you might feel, right? It's like, NASA is like, it's like the legit organization. So when it's like the NASA, when you think of NASA exploring space, you think you think of NASA, right? So if NASA, to me, when NASA says, like, I'm, because people, a lot of people, inside of the, let's say, the UAP community. You're like, oh, no, they made a decision. They said, oh, it doesn't exist.

They never said that. What they said was, we have no evidence right now that there are, this is alien craft or alien body. We're not saying that it isn't. And that's, to me, that is a huge step for it because that's like, that means that the fact that they was a little shady and I hope that both of us, all of us can agree on this at first. And I got the explanation afterwards, but they said, we're going to have somebody who's

going to head the, our program now. They're putting that another step in the right direction is they're going to have an actual UAP division. And so that's that's huge. I mean that they're taking it serious. And all of our point earlier that we all believe it's something. We just want to see what it is, whether it's weather balloons, whether it's other countries, whatever. They're going to have people investigating. But what they did is, well, who's running it?

Nah, we're not going to tell you. And it's like, why? Did they announce it? I thought they announced it after. Oh, okay. At first they didn't. And then it's like, well, but isn't, aren't we, aren't you trying to? trying to, this whole thing is supposed to be about disclosure.

I'm telling you, why are you hiding? And now the excuse was, well, we didn't want his name out there because he was going to get harassed. And this too, it's like, that's the gig, buddy. That's the gig. So, but that was the smaller thing. To answer your question, yes, I thought it was a major step forward. And I think it was also one of these things where people, you know, it's, the conversation is getting louder. It's getting louder, whether it mean, because you wouldn't have been talking about this a year ago, you know, even not to say.

that you probably would have been talking about it the same way, but you're talking about it. And we took this show that we're doing here today. I ran into you at a screening like four months ago, whatever it was. And we talked about it. And that was when I just kind of fell into the rabbit hole. I wasn't before that conversation. Did I ever have a conversation with you about UAP?

No, because I was just, to me, it was in something in my head just said, ask questions. And where you say the same exact thing, but your brain goes to a different road, and I just go to the other road. And it's one of these things that's why we're doing this show is to say, let's ask those questions. You're saying the exact same thing. You're not saying don't ask questions. It's bullshit. That's why I wanted you on the show, because I think it's very healthy and important to do the same thing you're doing, because eventually, hopefully, before we crap out on this earth, one of our points of view will hopefully come.

to the forefront because there's so many questions being asked. Whether it is that thing that you said to me, hey, look, they prove that this shit is just this, it's weather phenomenon, it's other country doing this. Well, you shut the fuck up. The answer is, yeah, if it's concrete proof in the same way that I'm sure

that if they said, look, scientists said this is a freaking alien body, guys, you're going to go, hey, I'm going to get a text. Whoops. Well, a lot has changed since 2009 when I saw my experience, my experience, the thing was met with complete, you know, nope.

Yeah, right, royally. Right, yeah. How much were you drinking? How much were you smoking? Where were you? Like, all these different things. And that was just around friends and stuff. But the idea, even for me, was seeing it and being like, whatever that way.

But it's so you're talking about it? You talking about at least we're talking about, were you talking about this last year? No. Now, it's changed a lot since 2019. when I finally went, well, I can't really explain that. I believe that a lot more now. Well, I do want to, we're going to, we still have a lot to talk about it. We got these, the Mexican hearings to talk about.

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Please go sign up. Today, I always put our sponsors as the first pin common, and the links are always in the description. All right, guys, let's talk about this hearing, because when the hearing, I text to both you guys. It's something that I do now. When these stories come up, I text both of you because I like to get, I really, and I hope you know how much I, like, I value your opinion on this stuff too. It's great. Well, because it also lets me go, because DJ will write stuff back, and sometimes I go, oh, it's DJB. and DJ and other times I go he's got a point

and he's got a point and I looked at it and that came to be inside of the the Mexico hearings right away when I was texting back and forth them because I was it was tough to follow it first because there were not a lot of outlets that were giving the subtitles and there were some that were but

it was all going well until the end of this thing now some people by the way are going to be and you have the every right to do this by the way some of you are still going to go, well, how was he able to do it if it's not legit? It is legit. It absolutely is legit. Those bodies were legit. Now, I'm in the DJ camp on this one. I don't think that those bodies were legit. Now, I should say, let me rephrase that.

I don't think that they were extraterrestrial bodies. I don't think that they, I don't think he made them up. I don't think they were cake, which is a hilarious meme or video, whatever. I think that they were something that he found in Peru. He smuggled him out of Peru from what they were saying. and something from Peru. Sure, Peru's stoked about that. Whatever it might be.

He's on some other, that's a moose. What's his name? Moose. Sorry, I got to get pulled his name up. But he was, they said, massans. Massans, yeah. You know, they said about this guy. He's not, he's not a shyster.

He's not a guy who's making stuff up. He's a guy that is a showman who has done, he's had these bodies, these types of bodies. These aren't the same bodies. People are like, oh, these bodies were proven to be fake before. They're not the same ones. Now, I'm not telling you they're not relatives of the old ones. But they're found in a cave over. He's like, I had eight of them.

Six of them were proven wrong in 2017. I brought the other two with me this time. Hoping. Maybe. Hope springs eternal. Maybe. But nonetheless, and he didn't tell, and they didn't tell anybody that they were doing this, by the way, too, at this hearing. Ryan Graves, who was the pilot, who has seen his own podcast, and is very passionate, rightfully

so for the stuff that he's seen and is very respected in the community, had this to say about the hearing itself. After the U.S. congressional UFO hearing, I accepted an invitation to testify before the Mexican Congress, hoping to keep up the momentum of government interest in pilot experiences with UAP. Unfortunately, yesterday's demonstration was a huge step backward for this issue. My testimony centered on sharing my experience and the UAP reports. I hear from commercial and military air crew through ASA's witness program. I will continue to raise awareness of UAP as an urgent matter of aerospace safety, national security, and science, but I am deeply disappointed by this unsubstantiated stunt.

Now, that would be, had the NASA stuff not come out like a couple days later, I think it would have been much more of a major setback for the UAP community, right? Because this shouldn't have happened, whether it's legit or not, I'll tell you, why. because one of the things that I had talked about, everybody on the internet always talks about the UAP stuff. Like the Hill will talk about it, News Nation will talk about it, various channels, even CBS and NBC,

they'll put it out on YouTube because they'll get the hits. It's not covered like on the mainstream media as like the big story. And I said last week, I was like, how are they not covering this? The fact that alien bodies were presented at the Mexican government's hearing. And people are, well, because it was nonsense.

Even so, look at all of the nonsense that our politicians are doing every day. And it's the top story. It's the top story. If the Mexican government decided to bring out two cake bodies, no, it's not cake, but I'm just saying, shouldn't that be the top story? Like, what are these guys doing over there? And if it's not, if it's real, what are they doing over there? Do you agree with that? Yeah, it makes sense to me.

I think it's, you know, I think that's an example of, like, just in general, the U.S. citizens and media are not as interested in politics outside of our own. Oh, yeah. A particular sphere, so we're more interested in brooping our boyfriend than this situation. Well, to be fair, she was being groped, too. Yeah. You know, I don't have a problem with anybody being groped in general. I just, you know, like if you're going to call people groomers and stuff, just maybe don't do that.

You know, public. Yeah. Your kids in it is all I'm saying. But anyway, the, um, so yeah, I think there's just general. Like, we're not as good about international news, um, as we could be as it would be, I think, beneficial in general. Um, yeah. And I do think, uh, it's just, you know, for me, it's kind of a, when, when we talk about,

you know, these governments are doing these hearings, it's like, what, you know, I think it's become increasingly clear, at least at the time I've been alive. It's probably always been the case. like politics is theater, you know, for the most part, as opposed to actually doing stuff. So it's like, I don't, because again, this is a circus still. Yeah, these, you know, these hearings are happening. It's like, you know, again, show me, you know, the bodies, I think it's immediately suspicious that the bodies look like. E.T.

E.T. Yeah, it's ridiculous. A lot of jokes of the little alien and men in black, X-Files, stuff like that. It's like, well, that's suspicious. but they blew their climax you know you got to wait on that you got to get the audience ready

before you just bring in your aliens yeah it's like you know and again they you know they said people but yeah you have to send it I think you have to give samples to everybody if you believe it and I think that's that's a part of the reason I remain skeptical I think a lot of the times

when people make claims they'll yada yada over the details and it's like well that's the that's where you live or die so you need to like if If you believe it, you need to let everybody have those samples and let it prove it. That's your opportunity. You know what I mean? Like you can't, it's not good enough to, I think the assumption here, I don't know.

Do you think it said it back or do you think because of the NASA thing, it didn't or it doesn't change anything for you anyway? It doesn't change anything for me. I'm more interested. Do you guys think it set it back? I didn't think it changed really anything because I think it's just we're used to this. the humans, we're rushing to, we always rush, it seems to like figure it out right away. And I feel like the alien for this Mexican hearing, the showman, you say he's a showman. It's like to try to rush to that finish line.

He's just bringing it out because it's just in the air right now. Because the momentum is there, right? The momentum is there. So he throws out some aliens without really kind of considering it. When I just want to get everybody on the same page on, there's something out there. We want to just discuss it. Because when you go, here it is, or not here it is, but it's like, what is that? Aliens.

That's when you're going to lose so many people. That's when you're going to. So I just picture you guys see the last Indiana Jones movie. Yeah. You know when he's sitting, like, when they transition from the younger Indiana Jones, so like old Indiana Jones, he's sitting in the chairily out called. I pictured this guy that way, and he's been waiting for like years for someone to call him. And he'll just like, hey, he still got those bodies?

He's like, yeah, I still got them. He's like, bring him. to the hearing. Really? I'll be there in five minutes. And like, that's a possibility. Look, and it's also, I don't know, not to discredit this guy too, because a lot of there's a lot of people who actually really think that he's got it.

And the joke's going to be on us if it turns out that then they'd start doing the samples and it turns out these things are real. Yeah, great. The other conspiracy theory around all of this, and again, I don't know, I don't necessarily believe this, but I've seen it thrown around, is that, let's say that those powers would be of that sect of the government or the private thing that has been trying to cover this thing up. was in cahoots with the Mexican government to go throw this off and have that guy,

throw this thing at the end, and throw a monkey wrench, make this thing look as ridiculous as it could be. That's where my deep dive into X Twitter went on the UFO Twitter was the CIA op of trying to throw some misinformation out there and throw the aliens out there. That'll get them, you know? And that's why, I mean, because of your graves and you go, oh, my God, what am I doing? him. I'm trying to like actually is he his I believe him in the same way you said before like in the things that he's seen and what he said at the hearing that I always thought was very

fascinating was that they asked them they said how many how many reports out of the pilots that you've spoken to how many of the reports do you think go unreported? He said 95 percent 95 percent and this is a guy who talks and this is what he does he talks to right now he talks to him on his podcast and he talks to people in general he's there

to expose the truth so for him it's got to be like just such a kick in the balls. But again, the next day he tweeted out about how it was a step forward with NASA. He was positive for the NASA thing. So it was the one, and the reason why I said it was going well beforehand is they showed other footage from the Mexican pilots. I don't know if you saw this particular thing, but they showed other UFO footage that it was like, it wasn't stuff that's going to convince the DJ Wildridge. But it's stuff. It's pretty crazy.

The triangles, but it's like they're all together, and it seems like they're in sync, almost like coordinated more so than it, to me, it's very hard to say, well, that's a weather thing. I'm not saying you're saying it, but like it's a swamp gas or it's this or whether for that particular thing. It just looks too coordinated in the way that this is all set up. And the way it looks, it's a light show. I'll believe that more so than I will anything else because it's like the way that this is, the pilots didn't know what it was.

They were scared out of their minds. And this was, again, military pilots. So all of that leading up to it was, yes, a lot of the same old, same old that we've heard before, but still to me, way more credible than going, hey, there's these little alien things because no one's going to believe it unless you say, first of all, if it looks like E. Even if it's real, I'm going to go, this looks too much like E.T. Guys, don't showcase this unless, I think it would be more effective. As you said before, if they had like an actual scientist who looked at a piece of it, a piece of it. A piece of it. Like, let's say it's shoulder.

Yeah, it wouldn't take much. Took the shoulder, right? And came in and said, well, what is this? And this, a renowned scientist, a renowned, someone who, the public goes, well, this guy's legit. And comes in and goes, we have analyzed this. This comes from the muscle of it comes from something that we cannot explain as human. Right. Then, if that has said, you know, maybe.

Yeah. Yeah, because what he gave was, he said it's like 30% of it is, unidentified as like 30%? Right. I mean, wouldn't it be, not an expert, I'm not a biologist or an anthropologist or any of those, but wouldn't it be all percent? Right. Wouldn't it be the whole, what's the implication there?

But yeah, and if they do all those tests and all that stuff, fantastic, that'd be amazing. But yeah, I think, again, for me, it's just to be one of those, like, something that people can test and prove and come to a consensus on like not just one person not just two people but the common multiple consensus yeah

what do you think Ryan and what and no as far as the like when it comes to these overall how this was presented do you think that there's first of you think there's any shot that you think this is put to rest the alien bodies

these particular ones I mean it made me immediately think of that what was that channel 11 fox special or it's like you know alien biopsy or uh alien autopsy that you know it reminded me of that yeah it reminded me of just a circus and um you know where i that is that stuff the aliens bringing something out like that is hard for me to to say we're going to get that someday like we're going to have an alien it's more believable to me to that we have evidence of extraterrestrial something in this mineral pack. Right.

Like that's just a blob that we've found. Yeah. You know, that makes more sense to me than, you know, a fully formed alien person with or, you know, being with, you know, that's opening on Hulu this weekend, right? You know, like the movie that comes, that they come down, they grab you, they stick probes up here, you know what? And then that is not going to be, I think, proven. They have a difficult thing when it comes to bodies. And again, this is getting me back to my skepticism on that we have them. Something we don't talk about a lot is, for example, before we go,

there are actually areas of few things that really excite me. One of them is the Europa Clipper, which is something NASA is working towards sending a probe to Europa. because for those that don't know, Europa is covered on ice and they believe that there's water beneath it. Yeah, yeah. And they believe there's a good chance life, probably microbial life, but possibly more complex life. And when I say more complex life, I mean like fish type of thing. Yes. Live beneath that ice.

And one of the things that they're concerned about, there's a lot of challenges to navigate, not the least of which is getting there, but getting through the ice. And the concern that if we get through there, odds are the space trip. will kill any bacteria, but if one thing gets in, we could annihilate everything. For example, when later Europeans came to what they called the New World, what we call the United States, they were like, oh man, it's so open. Nobody's here. That's because the native indigenous population that was there had been decimated by diseases brought over by earlier European citizens.

And so when it talks to, like, we have a body, it's like, and there's no concern of bacteria, or any of these things. That's more of the alien that's going to wipe us out. This one kind of skips over that because it's supposedly a thousand years old. Well, let's go to the Virginia case, right? So are you familiar with that one at all? No. Okay.

So the Virginia case is very fascinating. That's one that for you, the next time you come in, you'll have so many questions. I would love to talk to you about it because there's no way you believe a lot of it. But to me, it's one of the most compelling cases. This guy James Fox that was in that doc that has done it. And it is a case that happened in Brazil and in a place called Virginia. pretty about the size of Colorado population, right? And so the reports are that there was a crash craft.

And this is the entire town that has seen many different witnesses that don't know each other and all these different things. But there's one guy who hadn't talked about it. And I think it happened in 96, I think it happened. And he hadn't talked about it since. He talked about it once was told not to. And then James Fox got him to be able to speak. And he had this whole kind of recollection when he found where, where he, where he's, he found the actual craft and he talks about it.

But to bring up your point, the report inside of that, whether you believe it or not believe it, is that there were two cops, one of the cops that found, because there were these girls who had seen this bot, this alien, the supposed creature, that walked off afterwards, and these two cops saw them. The stories matched up from both the girls

and the cops of where they were in the same area and all that. and so the cop who I guess grabbed the alien put it in the in the the car took it to the hospital he grabbed it got shit all over him was pretty healthy died two days later yeah they don't know if something mysterious illness respiratory and all these other things yeah can it could it be explained probably but let's say off of your point if this is actually a thing that would make sense like all these different things that they that however they found at this particular body like the biologic the the biology of the biology of the biology of the this thing. What does it come from? How is it going to, how is it's going to, how are we going to react to it? Because that's the,

that would be the thing is that we would not have evolved to interact with any of, theoretically they, if they have it, they've evolved immunity to it. So it doesn't matter to them. We haven't. So there'd be nothing to stop that. Right.

Once it goes to the one guy, that's getting a huge chunk of the population. Getting Corona all over you. Yeah. And so, and you can, um, uh,

come up with reasons why it wouldn't. Um, But again, I think it comes to the idea of like the same way you'd have to explain how they get there is you have to break the rules to get there. The rules is we understand them. You'd have to break the rules to get to the conclusion that that wouldn't happen. It's true. I mean, look, there's so many things that, like, there's a lot of fascinating cases. There's a lot of things that I think DJ is 100% correct of too.

That just because they haven't been answered or haven't been explained doesn't mean they can't be. But there's a lot of smart people out there that are trying to. get answers to it that can't for some of these things, right? And just, again, doesn't mean that there are answers. They just haven't found them yet. Now, a lot of things we haven't found answers to, but a lot of things that some people thought was a step forward, was a major step forward, was the fact that this hearing did happen. And I think that we can all agree that whatever you think may or may not happen inside of that hearing and how much really you were convinced or not convinced, it definitely got the conversation. It became where it was less about

people talking about, you started seeing people talking about everywhere because this hearing was, This was a hearing that you saw to AOC, and I always bring up, and what's his face? Gates. On the same page, talking, you know, bipartisan. And people always remember, well, they're working on a program together and it says, there's nothing, it doesn't mean if it was any other subject, they could be going after each other real fast. But everybody was this bipartisan thing, which I thought was fascinating in general.

So Riley and I had a conversation a couple of shows ago where I was convinced. I said, they're never going to do a second hearing. The government, they barely passed this one through. The first one they were going to have was going to be like in a closet somewhere. And then they were finally able to get it in one of the big rooms. They're not going to be able to do it. It's not going to happen. And I was wrong because what they said is that they made a pitch to Kevin McCarthy to try to get a committee going.

The committee was denied. And when I saw that, of course it was. But then a following, I think it was, I think it was, what's his face, Bertet, who tweeted out. He said, however, we have been. permitted a second hearing. That's fascinating, and I was proven wrong on it. The question is, though, it's, I mean, it has to be. And this is coming from someone who does believe in others.

It can't be the same people. It can't be even be the same people with, well, now I'm allowed to tell a couple other things now. You've got to get people inside. This second hearing has to be something that is going after getting you on. Right. There you go. It can't be about getting me on board anymore because I'm on board. It's got to present something to where you can come on and go, and if you come on the show the following Tuesday, after that hearing going, I don't know, we didn't really hear anything new.

Even if I think, well, wait a minute, because there will be stuff that I hear. They go, well, you didn't think this? If this second thing doesn't hear you, it's a step back. Now, people are not going to agree with me. But it's got to because it's got to be people like you that start asking more questions that you either do. you start to get convinced. Otherwise, we're just going to be in the freaking vicious circle that we're in.

Yeah. And no aliens. Please, at this hearing. No aliens. Unless it's like a, unless it's what DJ said. No, I'm kidding. Unless you're right. But yeah, if it's, if it's something where they're like, look, that farce? No. This is the real thing, guys. Yeah. I don't think they should ever present it because that's the type of thing

that it's going to, but the one thing I will say is this. For that brief second where everyone went, whoa, because everybody did that. Well, what if this was real? Well, I did it. I went, everybody did. Like, what if it was real at first, right? He's like, whoa, it does go against the thing that everyone was talking.

Well, the world wouldn't be able to handle it. Yeah. That leads me to a question. Well, when it comes to, because I know in fiction why we present, so if I'm writing a story like this, like, let's say, like, Independence Day or Men and Black. Sure. Yeah. I need it to be people don't know about it for my story to work. Yeah.

In our world, what do you think the reason? Because I'm not entirely convinced that, you know, when we talk about the government being shady, I don't mean in conspiracy sense. I mean that for by and large, government functionaries are out for their own interests. And I'm not entirely convinced that every person involved in this would not see it in their best interest to let everybody know. Like, especially if you're talking to Cold War, I think it'd be a big feather in the U.S. is captive. to be like, we have aliens and Russia doesn't. Right. So for, what do you think the...

The benefit of the... Well, the reason why they would keep it a secret. So I do, as Riley, I guess, has gone on the other side of this, too. I do still believe very much so in the reverse engineering side of things. Okay. Yeah, let's... Because you don't think in the alien craft anymore, you said. You don't believe in the crash.

I don't, but I don't necessarily believe aliens, like bodies. I believe that there could have been a crash, but not... What I'm trying to say is not a ton of them that there's all these people out there that know all these different things. Well, I do very much of what I will say, again, too, on the record. I very much do believe Roswell was not a weather balloon. I think that was legit. I think that was the first one. I think that's where I don't think it was coincidence around the same time all this stuff happened with Oppenheimer and the nuclear stuff and the nuclear energy and the reports around nuclear plants and all those different things.

I think it's too much for a coincidence, personally. Why they would keep it quiet as the same way they would try to keep quiet. the nuclear bomb, right? The same way that they would want to keep quiet the, you know, the space race. A lot of stuff they were doing for the space race. A lot of stuff they were doing out there because of what you just said, we want to beat the other places to it because if you believe the other reports, that Russia does have some of these things.

And China has some of these things. Yeah. I was liking it to like Sputnik, and you even said it. I mean, it becomes a race, an arms race, the space race. And showing how the human race could potentially be like, cattle or morons, compared to other intelligent life, we don't know how to hell use these things.

And maybe there are ways that they have figured out to use it or not, and they don't want those secrets to be able. Because let's say hypothetically, it does come out, some whistleblower comes out in the next hearing that proves that the government has been holding back evidence, whether it's extraterrestrial life or other, the kind of blowback that would get from the world public,

not just the American public, The world public, that that would be the case would be astronomical. Don't you agree with that? Because I have trouble believing they'd be able to do that. I've got to put myself in the mindset that they accomplished it. If they did, hypothetically they did in the second hearing and they said, oh, okay, look, and they admitted the fact that for the last 70 or 80 years they've been holding this from the world public. What do you think the blowback of the world would be in a situation like that?

I don't know because in this scenario you're also saying Russia and China have them as well. Potentially, let's say they didn't, for this scenario, it's just the United States. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it would be, it would be pretty big. It would be pretty big. It is tough for me to outrace my, because, again, the scale of it takes me back to, like, I just don't think they could accomplish a cover up that large for that long. But if they did, and they, and but wouldn't you say that, if that was the case, and it was a major thing that would be a blowback, wouldn't you say, well, no, that's probably

why they kept it quiet for so long because they were like trying to hold it. And now with phones, now with technology. you now with everybody talking, there's only so long you can hold it quiet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's a place that I go to that the main reason there might be not more information is because we're not ready. It could be as simple as like either they don't understand the data in front of them or there's stuff that is maybe a potential threat that they, it's like, look, if we say this, that will cause a panic that we don't want to create.

You say that and I understand that, but I think panic actually tends to either does or politicians believe it benefits them a lot. We have an entire party that is fueled based off creating panic around stuff, which is not to say the other party doesn't do that stuff. It's just, you know. No, I think that's inherent to politics. Every news station does. No, they rely. Especially fast panic because slow panic like climate change. So like, those numbers don't do well, so let's not talk about that.

But, like, if there's somebody out there that can create fast panic that we could possibly throw bombs at, that's a good excuse to keep making bombs. Yeah, but the panic, though, if they don't know what it is. And it's just like Independence Day, it's just like, panic, everybody, great, we're going to nuke them. Uh-oh. Well, that doesn't work. That's why, again, if you want to go to the extreme kind of tinfoil hat people, like you look at, you look like a Stephen Greer. Stephen Greer says that we're not too far away from the government to go exactly to your point. we're not too far away from the government staging an alien invasion because of that very reason of showing that that fear because there's only so much that they can hide so whatever they have been able to do look yeah wag the dog too that's more or less like let's it's too far to being exposed take one of these things out bomb something and then we'll say whatever it might be now that's that's complete you know conspiracy theory I want to see that movie right right right but I'm just saying that that's that's the kind of thing that you

you could see like, you know, to where we'd be like, oh, there it is. So that's how we get, that's how we get them to, hey, look, we weren't, we didn't think you guys are going to be ready for yet or I guess you were right, but like, they're attacking now. It's like, it's, again, tinfoil there. So do you think for, for this scenario, the, the way alien technology impact our own technology specifically in nuclear science? Do I think that it has impacted it? Yeah.

No, I think they're attracted to it. I think that, I think that there's a, I mean, I, I'm, I think that there's a, I mean, My personal thought is I think that whatever these things are, it's just... They happen around all nuclear areas and even like concentrated areas like in Japan where Nagasaki and Hiroshima happened. It just seems weird. And whether it's the Russian reports, Japanese reports, Chinese reports, I think there are tons of different countries and tons of the United States that a lot of these sightings have been around nuclear facilities. Now, I don't know why, and even they asked it at the hearing. The same day they asked the hearing,

do you think these things would be interested in our nuclear? And they didn't have an answer, but they're like, it seems like that could particularly be possible from all the different sightings. And then there's a report in the 60s that I've talked about that they cover in that. Oh, yeah. And the one where it was the only one that I couldn't find an immediate,

like, well, here's what happened. But I think part of that is due to the fact that they it was what, 60 years, right? It was 2020 around that time. Yeah, there's 1963 or something. Yeah, so that's a lot of time for these guys to only be communicating with each other and perhaps it's just not a great example of

because of the time lapse of like these guys are saying that happened but there's no way to confirm denying. Well, they have reports that all like 10 of the missiles shut down. Well, yeah, and I think that's some legitimacy there. The way I recall

the story is they saw, I want to say red, weird lights in the sky, and then they had a problem with the shutdown with the silos, and then the government was like, don't talk about this. But the government would say that, it's in the middle of the cold war. The government would say that if the silos just set down. 100%. And so it's, I'm just saying it's an opportunity that

that, you know, with that amount of time, that it's easy to conflate, you know, memory shift, memories change. Like, for example, where my wife and I live, like it can be really hard to get to our place when people parking front of their garages. And one day it was just like we couldn't even get to our garage because the way people were parked.

And over the years, we've been there for years. We're like, we know in our HOA agreement, we know it says in there. You are not allowed to parking from your garage. And we don't want to be jerks. We're going to bring it up. But it's become increasingly challenging. And I brought up the paperwork and it's not there. And so at one point, at one point one of us must have assumed like, it's got to be in

there, right? And so that planted the seed. And then we talked about it and then became a thing over time. that's such a human thing. I think absolutely reports can change and look at that, like the Zimbabwe case, if I'm familiar with that one with the kids, the kids and stuff that have seen. Now, over the course of years, your reports can change.

But I think there's a significant difference that all three of us, even it was 30 years, wouldn't forget 10 missiles shutting down. Yeah, I'm not saying the missiles didn't shut down. I just, you know, maybe the lights happened on a different day, maybe over the conversations, the two things got conflated. But even so, 10, they said it inside of the report that one shutting down,

one shutting down, even in 1960, whatever, two, three, whatever was, was rare or hardly likely. Ten is unheard of, and it's never happened since. That we know of. That we know of. That we know. And there was also the report

of that not only was the lights, there were other people there that saw a disc. That there were, not all of them that were in there, but there were a few of them who did see the disc. reported it afterwards too and then those lights came in it was essentially like the red lights that they saw was like scanning something then the thing shut down then went back up after the lights yeah so that's the one as you as like you said like could be explained yeah but hasn't been

all the way through and even like you just said like that was the only one out of that whole thing you were like I don't necessarily know what that was yeah yeah six years is just six years is a long time it is uh and and um so and again you know There are a lot of stories of not UFO related, but just close calls with our nuclear arsenal and stuff like that to the point. Like maybe we shouldn't have it. But anyway, maybe it's some mistake. I was all I'm saying. So, yeah.

And that's another thing, too, is I think we like to think human memory is not necessarily infallible, but reliable. It's more reliable than I, it appears to be based on studies and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, but the other thing, too, that even, but those are all documented, like, the day after it happened. So a lot of the reports that also came in, not interviews themselves. They interviews years later, yeah, they can lose things

that memory could change. But if you're looking at a report that happened the day later, the memory's not going to change that much more than what the reports are saying. And significant is that. Right. You know, that stuff for me, when I'm with you on this, it's just like, if 10 go off. 10. And it's just like, and it's this life or death situation coupled with so many things.

I mean, that sticks with you. It really does. But it also, I think, situations like that. can impact your memory more like for example if a bank is robbed they have to make sure all the tellers that were involved are separated so they're not talking because then their their stories can see it into each other you know great yeah it's a it's a great point i mean it's it's it's a trauma situation at a point like you're dealing with with nuclear weapons and you could be but the other counter to a lot of people would say to that too is that i mean and and i'm gonna counter the counter as i say it the answer the answer's going to be well they're also human

beings. But the question is going to be like when you have people that are working with nuclear weapons, they're given psych tests, they're given all these different things. And this is not what you're saying at all. You're not saying that it's not true what they're saying. You're not calling them crazy.

Yeah, I'm not calling anybody crazy. But there are people who say, well, why would they make this stuff up? They must be out of their minds. Well, then the people who hired them should be fired. Because, you know, any, and this is, again, this is one circumstance There's tons.

You look at the, there was another report that happened in Japan, I guess a couple, I don't know how many years ago it was, but there was one that came out recently and it was around the, where all the energy was from the Nagasaki stuff.

Yeah. So it's, it's, to me, it's interesting. Where there's smoke, there's fire kind of thing. Yeah. And it doesn't, that just seems so prevalent. But it also goes back to DJ's point, too, though, too. It doesn't necessarily mean

that it's otherworldly things that are investing in it. It could be anything that are investing in these. I just think there's so. something about how many sites have been around nuclear. I mean, it was like, whatever you think about Aaron Rogers. You said that Aaron Rogers talked about the UFO saying that he had?

I heard about it. I don't know that I remember what he said. It was where he was, I think, there was the same thing. It was not too far away from like a nuclear facility where him and like three other people had seen it and the same type of thing. And then they saw aircraft flying after it right afterwards too. So it's like

And that feels more science based. You know what I mean? Like they're an attraction there or why is that like there's that there's more data that maybe could be like drawn together where you go this is not necessarily coincidental anymore because of these factions they're in so that's where i kind of just my my skepticism kind of melt away a little bit and i and i clue and i go wait a minute that doesn't that doesn't make sense and why is that i mean it's i'm so based in science being the the the reason for all of this that it's not aliens i we keep saying this but like aliens and craft no

but what about the possibility that there's physics involved and what E equals MC squared? Yeah, that's what gets me. Wormholes, black holes and this. And where do we go with the science? That's what I want to know, because I believe we will get there sooner or later closer to not the answer,

but closer to Ake. You got this. Maybe the second hearing will do it. Maybe it won't. Who knows? But we had talked about a lot here today, guys. We talked about a lot. We talked about the, yeah.

Before we go, can I say, few things that do exciting. Of course you. Okay. So I mentioned Europa Clipper. I think that's really exciting stuff. I think I didn't hear about that. Yeah. So I think I think that is, I think the way we discover alien life is going to be super boring. It's going to be, we send a thing to Europa and we found some germs and that's super cool. Technically an alien. You know, exactly. There's also a project called Breakthrough Listen, which is a coordination of satellites trying to pick up signals from space because we should be hearing these people talking to each other. Obviously, it's a little bit challenging because, you know, they're aliens, so that's not necessarily communicating the same

way we would, but they've started to incorporate AI to try it. And it's also challenging to get the background noise of all the stuff we're putting out there. It'd be bad, if I understand it, it'd be better if we had something out in space listening to it, but the logistics of it, it's better to have on the ground. But the progress made on something like breakthrough listen, because, again, I just think it's going to be boring. Like we pick up a signal. There's something called, I believe it's called the wow signal that they have not been able to repeat. but it has the earmarks of something that could be not a naturally occurring signal from space. The other one that I think is really interesting is I think it's called Breakthrough Star Shot,

which is, I'd have to look at my notes, but I think the closest Earth-like star, star with Earth-like plan around it is Alpha Centauri, which is about four light years away. They're looking at ways to create small light solar cells. that they can send out that way, based on the lightness of the craft and the size of the craft. They're looking at trying to get it up to, I think it's like a 16th the speed of light.

And so it would take about 20 to 30 years to get there. And it's a lot of cool stuff. And then they have to figure out how they're going to get the information back to us from that thing, which involves possibly sending out a bunch and then daisy chaining the signal. And I think that's really exciting to. And that's stuff that could occur within our lifetimes. The issue with Project Star Shot is, you know, obviously we're not talking about breaking the speed of light or any of that stuff. Even that, something on that scale, relatively grounded comparatively, we do not have the technology to accomplish.

Exactly. Yeah. We're still working towards that. And then there's other logistical issues about like craft that small. You wouldn't have to worry about hitting something big. But like small, you're going so fast. Small particles like dust, you'd hit enough of that. It could damage to craft. And again, so once you get into all the logistics of that. stuff. It's harder for me to buy into some of the UAP stuff, but this stuff I think I find really fascinating. I find really interesting. I recommend people look into

it. And the effort and energy people are in manpower putting towards the stuff I think is really exciting. I see if we're going to Saturn and checking for alien life or extraterrestrial life, you know,

whether it's microorganisms or whatever. I mean, And then sending probes out there to Alpha Centauri to get readings and everything. I mean, that to me is aligned to these UAPs. I mean, if we're doing this, we're sooner or later going to do. We could answer this. I believe that in my bones. Oh, look, there's a lot of people out there that are really locked into this community.

People, like I said, I brought up James Fox a bunch of times on the show so far, but he's convinced that in the next year we're going to get a lot more information that is hard for the government to back. Ross Calhord says the same thing. You've got a, there's tons of people out there who are talking about these that it's going to have. There's the one guy. I was going to say. The one CIA agent who says that aliens are coming in 2027.

But like for the most part, I think that there is a lot. It is, I was wrong. I thought that the conversation around this would just die down. I thought the conversation would be like, okay, we had our hearing. That's it. No one's talking about anymore. And I was wrong. I mean, there's this stuff with NASA that has happened.

there are internet outlets that are covering it and not just like channels like ours I mean like the news outlets so I think that the conversation will be out there and I think there will be things that we hear more of and I think the stuff you're talking about is very fascinating based in kind of in science at the moment too I would love to not now because it'll be another 45 minutes

but like how what your thoughts are and like simulation theory and things of that nature we've talked about that like which is I have opinions I would love to hear it because like I until about two, three weeks ago, I'll be naive. I just thought it was a Matrix thing.

I didn't even realize it was a legit thing until I heard. I couldn't believe how many scientists actually believe it and actually think, like, it's way more believe in that simulation theory could be then more so than that they're not even necessarily aliens, that there are UAPs, even in the sky. More so believe in the simulation theory, which is fascinating to me. That to me just seems like a video game,

but it's a conversation for another time. DJ, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. It was great. The exact reason I had you on here to have that kind of conversation and thank you for showing people that you can have a conversation about this. I don't think anybody's opinion was changed and nor should have been. It was just like here's my point of view. I wish that more people could talk about this like in politics in general.

You know, like it just people to, and I think it's also the problem with the internet. I think the internet is like who knows it. We didn't know each other and we started tweeting back and forth at each other. Yeah. It did hear it real quick. It's not the same conversation. You can't get the cadence in the voice. You can't get the understanding behind it, the human interaction.

And it's like because we've, because we've both, because DJ and I have both been talking about this, like just kind of, you got to come on the show. You've got to talk about we have the conversation because when I first brought up to DJ, like anything else, and I've told him this too. He had that thing that most people do. It's like the. And then more looking into it, he's like, okay, he said it here today. I believe that these people believe. in what they're saying. I believe in it too. I just think that there's answers behind it. And I'm not calling

anybody liars. I'm not saying this too. And I think that DJ actually shifted the stigma away from a lot of that today, too, to be honest with you, because I think that if you can have that kind of conversation with somebody, and this is why I got so heated with Brett the other day. Because it wasn't this kind of conversation. It wasn't like, it wasn't a fact of like,

okay. And I did not explain myself well enough on that show either too, but. I had to watch this show. But yeah, but it was, but we started laughing about a five minutes later, but it was one of these things where it was just like, you've seen, you have your reasons, you have your understanding, but I have mine. We all, I thought, I thought it was a very pleasant conversation.

I think you were to do it. Will you tell the audience where they can find you? Yeah, you can check me out on my stupid answers. Same as this show, anywhere podcasts are listened to, check it out. Marcus Riodius Rilius. Yeah, at Raleigh around on the internet. So you can find me there. Thank you.

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