The Kristian Harloff Show - Variety's "Crisis at Marvel" Article pulls back the curtain on Blade, The Marvels.

Episode Date: November 2, 2023

COMEDY SHOW TIX FOR DEC 2 https://www.flapperscomedy.com/shows/kristian-harloff/72183/ Tons of stuff went down today. Variety put out an article about everything going on behind the scenes with marvel. The two things were covered here today art blade, and the fact that Mahershala Ali almost walked away from the project and now they are rewriting the movie and cutting the budget down significantly to $100 million. They have a new screen writer, and there were reports that the story was not even gonna feature blade in the focus, even though the movie has the lead characters name. Also, the marvels added trouble suggest that the Director left a little early, the budget blew up, and Kevin Fiege is stretched way too thin. switching to DC, the joker part two folly and Do has been pretty much completed and will hit its target date of October 2024. We discuss whether or not the sequel should have been made. RoboCop, Willy Wonka, and more. Very special episode with Kristian Harloff, Marisol Mckee, and Adam Collins.  #marvel  #MCU #Deadpool #Blade #MarvelProblems #Figgy #kevinfeige 

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What do you think about Part 1? Did you like it? Did you not like it? Well, part two, it's almost done. They said it's coming out next year. and we'll talk about is that a good thing is that a bad thing well we're going to get into all of it for sure the marvels 250 million dollar budget kevin figy stretched too thin blade now is going through a whole bunch of different changes can marvel stop the bleeding it's one of the big questions we got to talk

about here today there's some other things we'll talk about as well too mission impossible has sparked the conversation inside of our government now about AI is that scary Shouldn't that question already been going on before the president saw the movie? Nonetheless, it's a conversation that we'll have. So we'll discuss that and more with my guest today. And before we do any of it, guys, we're going back to the comedy. That's right. We're doing a full stand-up comedy show on December 2nd at Flappers in Burbank.

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Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It's deja vu. I am excited because today on the show, as I mentioned up top, If you're a Shmodown fan and you were following this movie trivia Shmodown at all, I don't really need to introduce my two guests. But if you hadn't watched it, and you found me a different way, well, then let me introduce you too.

He was an incredible, incredible performer that I was lucky enough to catch wind of playing in the other leagues that were going on on the internet. And I said, hey, who's this guy? And in season seven during that digital age, this guy wiped through people like John Roker, Jeff Snyder, and of course, defeated the great dangerous Dan Merle for the championship at Spectacular. And that is Adam, the Coyote Collins. Adam, how are you, sir?

So good to be here in the flesh across the desk, not how I started on a computer screen. That's right, I don't have to ask any questions. Well, you ask you a question. You just won't lose points if you get them wrong. You can't get anything wrong on this show, I don't think either. So it's nice to have you back. How are you?

Love being on the West Coast. Good opportunity to catch up with some friends this week. So you were right at the top of that list. So thanks for having us. Of course. I'm glad that you guys reached out. And as I mentioned up top, we have two guests. And I mentioned many times over on my show.

As much as I love Adam Cone. I love Dangerous Danmer. I love John Rook. I love all these people. but I said I can be biased now because I don't get in trouble for it anymore with players. My favorite competitor was Marisol McKee, who is here right now.

She's the first ever female singles champion, but she's had so many other things that she had accomplished in her Shmowdown career, and it's a pleasure to have you both in studio. Thank you for being here. I never get tired of you saying that I'm your favorite. That's true. Well, because I think one of the main.

reasons also too is because you came from a place where you both were fans of the show you we met marasola in Orlando and like you know I said to you I remember at that after party and I was like look all you got to just get into some of these leagues play and you think you could hang yeah I can and then sure as shit you know a couple years later you you wind up doing it you wind up playing we did the draft and you just put the work in and you not only just just You had the personality and all these different matches that you were able to play, playing in the live events. It was a pleasure to watch. And you both carried yourself with class minus the House of Justice.

But other than that, we had a good run. And for people who don't know, they were, of course, they were in the corruption, which was one of our, it was like the DX of the Schmodeon. and they were like this new kick-ass team. And so Shannon and I were talking and I was like, yeah, well, we should really get because they're going to be so good. They're going to deceive everybody. They should be deception. And they said, well, they got a better.

They have another pitch. They have a better name. I said, what's the better name? The Howells of Justice. Well. Okay, that's not how we said. Okay, I was like, hey, you know like the Hall of Justice? Okay, all right?

I was like, I gave you the whole D.C. pitch. And I was like, but it's the coyote and I'm Lady Justice. and it's, it's, you, you, you hear it on the wind, you know, before we enter, I pitched a lot cooler, okay? I didn't just say the name. I pitched it. It was an amazing pitch. Okay. And if memory serves, it wasn't howls, it was howling justice.

No, it was house of justice. I thought it was no chance because what I said. Okay. Because I'll do it for you. Because here we go. Okay. So we'll see if the, if you are, ladies and gentlemen, introducing first, with their debut, led to the ring by Shannon Barney

Adam Collins, Marisol McKee, the Howls of Justice. Okay, well, anything sounds stupid when you say it in that stupid voice. Yeah. Okay, so. The Howl justice. Howls of Justice.

I feel attacked. It's like karaoke team. Yeah. Welcome to the stage. Now the Howl of Justice. But nonetheless, they both had an incredible career in the Shmodown. And it's great to have you guys today.

So you're also running your own channel. It's called Champs on Film. Based lovingly on your experience to Shmodown, both champions. How's that been for both of you running the channel and being involved in it? It's been our lifeline. It's been, it was a natural progression. You know, we love the Shmodon. It helped us come out of our shell a lot.

and we just wanted to stay connected to everybody and what better than lead with what we love and join our friends and YouTube is all of this. Social media is such an easy platform it's to be accessible to this community and stay on track with it and it was just natural, you know? Yeah, we have very modest, you know, goals as we start off this channel.

You know, we have a few hundred subscribers. We're proud of that, but we have a solid, you know, turnout for when we do put up videos. and we'll continue to do more soon. We kind of had to take a little hiatus for a while because it was a busy summer for us work-wise. We really had to just focus on earning this year. But in the winter we have a lot more time inside,

so we're going to produce more videos. And we just kind of leave it open-ended. We do movie reviews, obviously. We've done a retrospective on some older movies. But one thing we really enjoy, and we'd love to have you on eventually, is our wrestling show, in which we create wrestling avatar based on famous Shmodown people and then we generate an AI match and then we have those people on to commentate so as an example we had Craig the barbarian and Mark Edward Hoyke face each other in a match and then they came on and did their own commentary and it was delightful yeah it's great I love that and so for people who again as I mentioned up top if you were familiar with both Marisol and Adam or if you weren't and you want to dive back into or watch for the first time they're wonderful

careers within the Shmodown. We have the channel now. It's the full-on archive channel, which essentially was the old Shmodown channel slash Shmo's No Channel. And it is the entire library, the majority of most of Adams and most of Marisol's matches are up on that channel. Now there's a few live events that may or may not be, but they will be soon. Once the entire library is put back up, the playlist will start. Right now it's just kind of like, it's like an organized storage space. right now it's disorganized with a little bit more of organized but then it's going to be it's really going to be like the the place to go it'll be a streaming channel it'll be a shmodeown streaming channel

or you just basically go and find all the old matches and everything that you like and then eventually we'll be able to have competitors on there and all these things so make sure you go and check that out so and that's why it's so glad I'm so glad to have both of them here but I'm also glad to have them here because we're going to talk about some news man some things going on and here's the first one all right this is some dark horizons Joker, Folly Adieu. It's almost finished.

The hell of justice! God. Joker cinematographer. That was the original subtitle. That was that. That was that. Joker cinematographer, Lawrence Sherr, says the upcoming sequel, Joker, Folly Adieu, is currently in the final stage of production.

As previously revealed by Cher, the new film is using Francis Ford Coppola's musical, one from the heart, as a template for its visual style. even though the Joker sequel is still a year away from release next October, it seems work on it has been proceeding at a pace that will be finished before at planned release. Speaking with Definition Magazine in a recent interview, Cher says, something that I appreciate about Todd Phillips, who I've done seven movies with, including Joker, he's always taking risks. We're just finishing up post-production on this, and the movie is a big swing,

and it's going to be really surprising to people, and I'm so glad for everyone to see it. The R-rated 2019 film grossed $1 billion. It landed Joaquin Phoenix, the best actor Oscar. Phoenix returns as Arthur Fleck here in that story that will reportedly unfold almost entirely with Gotham City's Arkham Asylum. Lady Gaga, Zaza beats Catherine Keener, Brendan Gleason, and Jacob Loughlin co-star in the movie with Phillips, who once again directs it from a script he wrote with Scott Silver. It opens October 4th, 2024. four. All right, so let's start with you Marisol.

Let me get your opinions on the first movie before even go to the second one. What'd you think of Joker? You know, I'm not the biggest fan of the first Joker. It fell, it felt a little hollow for me. I mean,

I've, I'm hit or miss with Todd Phillips. I do think that he has a bit of a mean streak as a director. I do you have like the hangover movies. That actually the hangover is probably my favorite Todd Phillips movie, that or even like Starsky and Hutch.

But then I think that he kind of loses that thread with the second one. And I think that Joker was a really tempting project for him. Sure, I get it. But I also think that, and it was also very heavily influenced. It wears it on its sleep. It's heavily influenced by Martin Scorsese and particularly taxi driver and King of Comedy. And when I remember seeing Joker, I've seen it a few times. now and I felt that we it was covering that same ground and emulating it imitating it but not

really getting to the core not I felt that it was thematically shallow and I don't think that it was really getting to getting to the core some of those movies I didn't feel it under my skin and I didn't come away from Joker felt like I had some insight into into people on the edge and I felt I felt I felt it was very it was almost like you know, that guy who dresses up for Halloween is very edge-lord light for me. Okay. And that's the simplest way. I feel the same way.

I like it more than Marisol, but I am a little mixed on it. I was higher on it when it came out. Really enjoyed kind of the moment when it came out, you know. But after, you know, revisiting it a few times, it's held up less and less, but what does hold up is Joaquin's performance, the score, the cinematography. I think those are all impeccable. And, you know, to be honest, I don't think they have anything to lose with the sequel. I'm intrigued by it because not only the inclusion of Lady Gaga, but the subtitle, Foli A Do, that's, it translates basically to people who share the same delusion, which, you know, that makes sense.

And I like the idea of the fantasy elements maybe going to the forefront and the idea of maybe, you know, it's so steeped in reality. You know, that's kind of the motif. but some of the moments I liked were the departures from that, some of the fantasy elements when we got into Arthur's head, and the idea of he and Harley Quinn sharing that together, I think that has some interesting possibilities. But my main reason why I don't engage with Joker on a deeper level is I don't think this is necessarily inherently bad thing,

but I think when you have the impact of like the Nolan trilogy, it's hard not to make those comparisons sometimes, at least speaking for myself, things like Joker and the Batman. I think they're both strong in certain ways, but because there's so many similarities to what Nolan did, I guess they feel

it's harder for me to engage with them on a deeper level, but I don't hate either of those movies. I think for me, I'm on the other side of it. I really love Joker, the first movie a lot. I understand the criticisms for sure, but I like the swings that they took, and I think the comparison, anytime

we kind of, I mentioned this and talked about it a little bit, but the Nolan side of it, right? Like when people will do that all the time, they'll say, and which I understand, when they see something that is steeped in the realism, you know, oh, look at,

that's kind of what Nolan did, whether it's what Matt Reeves did, whether it's what Todd Phillips did, but it's because we're so used to, like, the Adam West stuff leading into the Joel Shoemaker stuff and, like, what Batman and comics in general has always done, it's been a comic book, and there's been people, like,

that have dabbled in the magic and dabbled in these types of things and throughout. And this is, Nolan said, well, what if it was all real? So anytime you see anybody else do that, you're like, well, Nolan did that. And you're not saying this, but like, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done again.

He does it, and I thought he does it well in Joker, and I loved what he did the inside of the, what he was saying about mental health in general, about how even Arthur was ignored for the most part. I couldn't pay for his health insurance and all this. different things that were going on and like it was just this complete breakdown and yes it was a comparison to this crocese stuff and i some people think it was a complete rip-off i don't i think it was

more of an homage um i'm very curious to see what they do in the second movie because i wonder if it'll get someone like yourself marasold to then say no that's what i was looking for them to do that's different that's i i like how they kind of compare this they're putting in an arkham and they're doing this and they're making it a musical to me with such a big swing that it worked for me i also am curious if it's going to, for people like myself who really liked what they did in the first one, I'm like, well, why they go so far away from that? It's such a different movie now, or I can be singing the same tune. It is different, but I liked it because it made sense for what the character would do

and kind of the how far down the rabbit hole, I guess, into this place that he now has become. I also think it's very smart, and this is ultimately what the story is about. It comes out in October. The writer's strike and the actor's strike doesn't seem to have affected it much, because of how far along it was already at the time. You look at something like Five Nights of Freddy, which cleaned up during this season, and I think that it's coming off

with something very successful. I think this movie's going to do very well. It's a very smart time to put it out, and it probably also didn't cost $200 million to make, so it'll actually make a profit. Yeah, I mean, unless there's anything else you guys think about this particular movie, I mean, I think that it's going to,

nobody disagrees. is going to make a lot of money. Oh, not at all. I mean, and I'm open to it. I'm not, I don't, I, even a director can make a bunch of movies I just dislike. But if, if the intent is there, that's the great thing about, about what we've seen about Joker and the Batman and these DC properties. If the vision is there and the intent is there, I'm on board.

Like, I'll be there to go see this movie. I'm a Gaga fan. I believe I trust in Gaga. And this is just these elements that you're talking about, like taking kind of these themes and ideas and taking it a step further and taking it, we've been seeing so much stuff like corporal, just fully realized and taking it maybe beyond that level and taking it into just the fantasy of our mind and taking it to that delusion level. I'm really intrigued by this. I have no idea what to expect, but I can separate that. I can compartmentalize that from my

feelings about the first one and go into this one with an open mind. All right, listen. So where do you guys stand do you think that they should make a sequel to this movie do you think they should have just left it alone even for people who loved it all i heard a lot of people say why they're doing a sequel it's a one off it's perfect they don't need to do a second one do you think that the musical side of it is too much of a swing or do you think no no no this is something that could absolutely work make sure you comment let us know really want to get your thoughts on this for sure i also wonder if there's going to be a scene in the movie because there's a couple of different times i think like when he was on the train

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Guardians volume 3 was a high point, but James Gunn has since made the leap to DC Studios to charge the DCU. Okay, so there's a lot here. I mean, there's a lot here, and I think the first we can start is just talking about the Blasey. of it all, right? Because the blade is starting to turn into like what the crow became after the crow

went on. I mean, how many different times, oh, another crow movie's coming out and like it just Norman Reis is going to be in it. This person's going to be in it. I mean, people were really excited when Mearshal Ali was announced as blade. It's perfect casting. They set him up a little bit in Eternals, right? And then all these different things come up. This report is super telling. And I have, and like, so I don't know what to make a lot of it. I mean, I guess it all makes sense. When you look at everything that just happened with Daredevil, and they're like, okay, this isn't working.

We've got to revamp this whole thing. The fact that they went out to get the dude to, who's on a screenwriting this thing, great. The fact that they're taking it to around $100 million or whatever they said it was, fantastic. That's what you should be doing. That movie does not need to be a $200 million movie.

100 is perfect because he was going to walk away. and he was going to leave. It doesn't matter who else was going to star in it. It doesn't matter if it was going to be women. Doesn't matter if it was going to be aliens. It doesn't matter who it was going to be. What world does it make sense that the first Blade movie you make does not feature Blade? That's just dumb.

It doesn't matter who else is in it. Why would you feature not feature Blade if that's the report? But you hear this. What do you think? I mean, it hurts. I mean, I think all that enthusiasm that you set out, gate that we were excited about. I don't understand

why some I don't understand sometimes why some projects are really not just getting off the ground and some aren't. I really hope that Marathella stays attached to this. I mean, it sounds like he is. I mean, I would hope so.

But I just learn from the past. You know? Learn from what we had with that first blade. Like look to, some things can be more complicated, but some things are not. And this is a situation where I don't think it is. You have everything pointing in the right direction. Look to the first one and look at how successful and simplistic that first movie was. And don't try to change it up too much.

You know? Yeah. It's kind of right in itself. And I really just hope it can get off the ground. Adam, do you think there's any world that they make this movie and they go back and they make it rated R? Especially after the success they're going to see with Deadpool 3? Well, I'm curious about that potentiality because I was excited when they announced this, but ever since, you know, Marvel absorbed the Fox Wing of Marvel, essentially, you know, things like Deadpool and Blade were a question mark. So I'm encouraged by the fact that Deadpool 3 is they're going to lean into the R rating. But I don't foresee this going full R. I think it'll be as hard a PG-13 as they can get away with, but they ultimately wanted to be able to tie into everything. I think Deadpool's their one exception.

They said as much. Bob Eiger did. But, yeah, I'm with Marisol. When it comes to this project, why are you over-complicating it? Why are you trying to shove in all these things that don't necessarily need to be a part of it? And I think this is an extension of Marvel kind of scrambling right now and just throwing money at what they think is going to be a solution creatively. And that's not the solution.

What the solution is creatively is bring people in who are enthusiastic, who to your point, have to work on a budget. You look at something, I know it's not superhero, but look at Oppenheimer, nearly a billion dollars, R-rated three hours long, and under $100 million. With a good cast. Yes, an amazing cast. And also, you know, we assume a lot of them, like Robert Doughta took a pay cut just to work with Christopher Nolan, or it would have been a lot more. But again, Mehercial Ali wants to do this for the right reasons. Lead with that, simplify the script, and don't worry about bringing in Wesley Snipes for a cameo, or, you know, or anything like that.

Just make a movie. I think that that's, that ultimately is the case. I agree with you. I think it'll be PG-13. They're gonna, especially with all these problems and the fact that they're gonna want

to get as many people in and they want to introduce him into the world because Deadpool has a built-in audience already. It's already been two movies. It is the exception because it's like, well, yeah, it's Deadpool. They're gonna go see it. It's like the most profitable R-rated franchise,

I think, one of them anyway. So, yeah, I don't know. I just, what the encouragement, thing for me with all of this is the fact that it does show like, Vigieg's like, look, look, I'm, because he pays attention to the media. He pays attention to what people are saying. And you would, your head would be in the sand if you didn't realize that the narrative has shift with Marvel.

It used to be like, oh, yeah, you know, sure I didn't like Thor, Thor, Dark, Dark World, but, like, they got, it was still fine and it's moving now. And then, like, it made a lot of money. And the next movie, it all played into end game. and it's a mess right now. It's an absolute mess right now. And they have, like, there's no complete narrative to it. Some movies are good.

Some are okay. We don't really know. Like, Loki Season 2 to me is working. Have you watched it yet? Haven't started. I like to let the Marvel shows build up, and then I watch them all at once. It's good.

To me, Loki season, they can continue into positivity, but it will get us into the marvels in a second, depending on where you stand there, what you think is going to happen. But Blade, yeah, you don't want to mess with that. You want it to be good. And the other thing is, Maharshali is 49 years old. So by the time the movie comes out, he's going to be 53.

Man, black don't crack, though. Maybe not, but even after 10 years, bones crack. People get tired. He may look fine, but he may a lot of stunt doubles. And, you know, after a while, it's like, okay, let's, because he, The other thing is look at Chris Hemsworth. Chris Hemsworth doesn't want to keep eating like that in order to look like that. Mahershal, I'll tell you right now, at 49 years old, it's probably going to look, you got me for a little bit.

So I was going to bail. He's like, I'll put myself through this, but I'm only going to do it for so long. Right. And they have to make it work. And I think that it is, I love what I'm hearing so far. I love the writer. I love them going under a, I remember. around 100, and I love that they're actually going to focus on the lead character.

Yeah. Because that's setting you up for disaster. That is setting you up for disaster because you know there are people waiting at their keyboard, waiting for you to make another mistake. And if your lead character is in the background, what are you doing? So glad that they caught it in the same way with Daredevil. They change things around with Daredevil. Now, there's not much they're going to really be.

able to do with the Marvels, right? Because the Marvels, had it had that same kind of mentality of, let's make this for $100 million, and it's tracking for 85, you're going to be in good shape. But when you look at it and people are going, we just need reshoots. And then a lot of reshoots. Reshoots are normal, but a lot of reshoots to change up this, whatever they said, I think the kind, they were basically not saying sloppy storyline. And then you got the director leaving to do another movie. I haven't liked the trailers. I like the stuff with them,

the three of them, when they seem to kind of be having their banter. They can't promote the movie because of the strike. I saw some scene that looks like it's just kind of goofy, and it's what I didn't like about some of the other Marvel stuff. But I hope I'm wrong. But I don't know. What do you think?

Well, I mean, it's just, you know, everybody's kind of losing their mind over this. And the bigger narrative is easy to say that, like, you know, the popular to say that we've been saying a lot in 2020, that the 2023 that the MCU is floundering. It's just, we've been talking about this. It's just, it's really clear that, like, we're just in an area where the MCU is, it just doesn't, we're not in the sweet spot anymore.

We're not at its peak. There was such a clear narrative in phase one, phase two, everything revolving around Thanos and all roads leading to end. was such a crystal clear narrative force, like a locomotive. And we took for granted just how easily everything would fall into place. The movies were just falling into place.

Bam, bam, bam, bam, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. It was an assembly line, because we were all driving towards this one goal. And it was really clear for the fans to latch onto, is really clear where all these movies were going. They were all tying together with a very crystalline narrative. And post that, you know, it has been, it has been a lot more touch and go.

And it is easy to, you know, overreact when that kind of stuff happened. Because the fans feel, and they feel the parts becoming more unconnected. You know, it's a lot easier you see things in a different light, and it's a lot easier to really be harsh on criticism and doom calling when you see something going wrong. I think that, you know, everything peaks, all right? Look, look, Patriots couldn't be the champs forever. Good.

You know? Well, well, Schmode, also in the NFL. Oh, okay. That's what I thought you were talking about.

No, no. No, but, you know, it reflects at all. And I think that's really what we've been going through in the MCU and that's why we've been seeing

kind of like diminishing returns with the shows and the films. And I try not to harp on it too much because I'm still very excited to see the Marvels. I'm on board for it. Optimistic. Yeah, yeah, I am.

I want to support. I want to support the filmmaker. I want to support Nia da Costa. I want to support all these actresses in this. And I'm also not, they don't own me anything. Like they don't know. Always anything. I know that not everybody thinks this way.

But I'm looking forward to it and I want to, and I want the best for it. It's how I felt. It's how I felt. Don't get me started. It's how I felt when Wonder Woman 84 came out and people were like, burn this movie with fire. And I was like, this movie makes me cry. I don't really, yeah, I don't really understand.

The mentality of it, too. Again, it's a, it's a longer conversation where I've talked about it recently, where I think for some reason, fandoms have become very political now, and they're rooting for the bad guy to lose. And I think if you're a movie fan, you want all movies to kind of win. You want it, you know, you want them to be good. I just haven't responded to a lot of the stuff. And look, I will also say this.

When I saw the trailers for Ms. Marvel, I said, this looks cute. It looks like a Scott Pilgrimy thing that I think my daughter will enjoy, right? I didn't watch an episode of it with my daughter. I watched the whole thing by myself and I loved it because I love her. My favorite part was the family dynamic. My favorite part, the superhero stuff was fine.

It was the same way I felt about Blue Beetle. It was fine. But it was the performances of the lead actors in both Ms. Marvel and in Blue Beetle that worked for me. If they can capture that inside of the movie, then they'll have me. But the problem that comes with movies that is different from TV.

In TV, I feel that executives feel like you have to do this thing where it's like in TV, okay, but we can focus more on the family. We can focus on these things. There are a couple of things that are sprinkling in the movies. It's like, no, no, no, we got to have big CGI battles. Otherwise, they're going to put their popcorns down. They're going to walk out. And that's what I feel is going to happen in this.

Plus, this movie is the shortest Marvel movie of all time. It is clocked. It clocked in an hour and 44 minutes or something. Whoa. It's really short. Interesting. That's not a great sign. That's not a great sign.

But Adam, where do you stand right now? Do you think that this movie could actually pull one of these things, as Marisol was saying, too, everyone's like, oh, there must be doomed and it's not going to do well? And do you think that it can get past that $75, $80 million on a $250 million budget, have legs and really deliver? Well, I too am rooting for the movie because I like the character of Captain Marvel. I like Ms. Marvel. I like Tiana Paris in Wanda Vision, so I'm excited to see her character continue. She's great in Wanda Vision.

Yeah. But, yeah, the problem with, it's so hard to meet these movies on their own terms now and just enjoy them on their level because there's all this outside interference. There's this extra level of conversation about budgets and studio interference. and it's so hard for people to, when they see the movie, to ignore that when they're watching it. They don't suspend their disbelief. They're looking at it as a product,

so they're not really actively engaging with it. That's why I think Ant Man 3 was so reviled when it came out by so many people. I didn't see it until it came to Disney Plus. Not because I was mad, but I'm honestly, Marvel movies aren't must-see theatrical experiences for every single one for me now. I kind of pick and choose. And so I waited on that one,

and probably because I waited, and everyone told me it was bad and I saw it eventually. I was like, that wasn't that bad. It was not amazing, but I was like, it's fine. I didn't mind it at all. I thought the ending was sloppy. Yeah, but like I could tell the movie was trying so hard to do all this setup for Kang.

And the problem now that Marvel faces is in the comics, you can constantly reinvent yourself because it's comics. In movies, people are tied to actors and stuff. And they're eating their own tail now, bringing in these multiversal cameos and all this stuff. And it's now become, like, who's going to show up? Which actor who's only going to be in this for five minutes is going to pop up?

And they're not even paying attention to the movie. Twin Peaks, this is related. Honestly, one of my favorite shows, we just watched it all together. It was her first time. The reason I bring it up is because what the biggest mistake that show made in the second season is, and I won't spoil it here, but they reveal who the killer is of Laura Palmer too early in season two. And then, like, for like 18 episodes, they don't know what they're doing. Yeah.

until David Lynch comes back and finishes it. But yeah, I see that now with Marvel. Thanos was such a peak villain, such a peak storyline. It's so hard to come back from that. And so everything with magic and all these random things going on, it's so hard to reconcile it all together. So things like Guardians 3 and season one of Loki and Wanda Vision are things that post-Thanos I like the most because they had the most interesting stories.

You said it, though. You just said it before. And I think that's it. and you are inside of the film bubble, right? But there are people who are out who Marvel's not a must-see everything anymore. Like you had to see everything back in the day, like to lead into that then I said, you wanted to, right? Now it's like, even if you're going to miss out on something, you go, eh. And I think that that's one of the reasons that you look at like Captain Marvel.

Captain Marvel made a billion dollars because it was in between Infinity War and Endgame. It was a must-see. You're like, well, what the hell's going to? At the very end, you see him, he gets the pager. And it's her, what is that? She's our Superman. She's coming, yeah. Right.

So when you see that, you're like, oh, okay, you understand why that made money. This movie now is, I mean, I guess pun intended, just kind of floating around in space. Like, like, Ms. Marvel is in the trailer. It's just floating around because it's got, it's a, maybe depending, the Loki, the Loki season finale, Looky season two season finale, it comes out the day, I guess the day the Marvels really releases if you look at it a Thursday. It comes out like the Thursday night. So I wonder, and Coy Jondro has the thought that it, the events of Loki season two plays into the Marvels. And that would make sense to give you, because that would also be like, oh, wow, okay, well, how's that going to play?

But I still think that Deadpool season three, or season three, Deadpool three is going to be Marvel's, I don't want to say last shot, but it's Marvel's shot to do basically what we just talked about here with Blade and Daredevil and all that. It's everything we worked on and everything we just are doing surgery too. It really starts here. They take the hit. like, okay, we hope that the Marvels will do well.

We're prepared if it doesn't, but everything moving forward from Deadpool 3 really needs to work. It needs to. Otherwise, it's, if Deadpool 3 doesn't do well, it's over. Like, it's over. It will do well, but it's over if it doesn't, because that means no one will care anymore. And speaking of Deadpool 3,

Deadpool 3 director, Sean Levy says, Logan, it's canon, baby. 2017's acclaimed Logan served as the finale for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine character with the mutant meeting his demise and Jackman seemingly leaving the role behind in a rather definitive ending. Years later, the world was surprised when Jackman announced he's going to return for the role in Deadpool 3 alongside Ryan Reynolds, who's back as the Merck with the mouth. Understandably, there's concern about what impact the new film's going to have on Logan and whether the filmmakers will tarnish the legacy of that film.

Logan director James Mangold told a fan years ago to chill and Logan's always going to be there alongside with expressing a desire to see what the Deadpool 3 team has cooked up talking with Bro Bibles post-credit podcast while promoting his new Netflix miniseries All the Lights we cannot see today. Deadpool 3, director Sean Levy says he and the team have nothing but the ultimate respect

for Logan and the events of it will be canon here. He says, I've always said that I can't wait for Deadpool 3 to come out because all I want to do is give interviews alongside Ryan when we talk about the reverence for the movie Logan. Logan is canon. We love Logan. It happened. I want the world to know as the producer and the director of all of us share a deep love and respect for Logan every aspect of how it's crafted and all the events that take place. The talk comes now as a new rumor from My Time to Shine Alois dropped the rumored synopsis for the film claiming that it ties into the TVA from Loki. So I'm just going to go into that because I don't want to go into too much of the spoiler itself. Um, yeah. So it is scheduled to come out on May 3rd.

No chance. It's coming out on May 3rd. But there's no way. They had to stop shooting it. Yeah. When the writer strike happened, they continued, but they couldn't improv at all. So they were just shooting the script that they had, which was fine.

And then the sack strike happened. It was, that, that's it. So let's say, we're recording this on Wednesday. Hypothetically, let's say that the writer strike announces, I've been so wrong about this. I think they were going to announce that it was over yesterday, but I was wrong. I do think hopefully it'll be this week.

So let's say by next week, they can start working again, right? You're going to work as much as you can until Thanksgiving, and you're going to have a break. Then you'll work as much as you can in December until Christmas time. Then you'll have a break.

And then really January, February, you probably stop filming in January. You can probably not, if you'd have a really strong shoot schedule in January, depending on how much day ready film, plus reshoots and stuff too, January, February. Getting that all done by May? Nah, ain't going to happen. Probably July.

I would say they're going to push back to July. What do you think, Adam? Yeah, I mean, assuming it still comes out this year. Again, I also, I know it's... You mean 2024? Yeah, 2024, within the fiscal year. That's not my brain operates. But, yeah, with that in mind, I'm okay with them taking time.

I don't... The last thing I want is for them to rush it. into post-production and we get some sloppy not as enjoyable or as funny movie because I think Deadpool 2 is not a bad movie but it's a step down and I think they have a chance to rebound here if they make this movie pretty special. I would like to think that Hugh Jackman is involved

because he wants to be not just because of money. Oh yeah. And because it's not just the money. Like he has to get in such crazy shape for this. It's all well and good that Logan is canon but doesn't Logan chronologically take place after Deadpool 3 anyway? Right. So, I mean, sure, it's canon.

Plus, with multiverses, what does it matter? But I love Logan. I think that's more, whether it's canon or not, I think just giving lip service to Logan is the most important thing because it's such a beloved movie, justifiably so. And I think, you know, bringing back Hugh Jackman, I think a lot of people can think of Logan as his, fitting end while also enjoying whatever this is.

It sounds like a lark for him. Sounds like a fun time and that's okay. Logan's still the definitive ending for Wolverine as a character, at least Hugh Jackman's take on it. But I also think setting up a new Wolverine, it's time. Like let's see, I'm ready for a new Wolverine, not necessarily in Deadpool 3, but like.

I think you're gonna get one in Deadpool 3. I guess that would make sense, but yeah, I'm just, I hope they set it up interestingly. Yeah, I think so. So Marisol, yeah. So this is a, the Logan stuff that's brought up for sure. Deadpool 3 in general, kind of how it's being approached. I don't know.

What say you in all this? I mean, Logan can be as canon as wants. Just as long as X-Men Origins Wolverine is firmly established as not being canon. I think it all is, though, though, because the multiverse, that's, as Adam said, I think that's the whole point. Is it the multiverse when people are going to, oh, you're going to screw with Logan and you're not? because it's just a different, it's a variant.

Right. Yeah. I mean, I mean, like, yeah, and when we get into the weeds with this kind of stuff, this is all need to, like, can they all just be their own movies? Do they need to all be connected? Why, like, you know, just like the comic books, like you're saying, like, I, you know, and I'm not getting in the weeds about it, but it's just, it's just like, I also, I don't really care.

Like, you know, like, I don't really care if it is, if it is connected, I'm going to see Deadpool 3, and I'm going to take it for what it is. I'm not worried about whether. after the fact this movie that they didn't know what they were making when they made that movie before it all goes together. It's not going to impact my enjoyment of the film. No, I think though, I will say

this though, about Deadpool 3 though, the more and more I hear about this movie and I believe that they're going to really do it well. I really do. I think it's going to be done very well. This will be as big and the biggest movie that Marvel has done since No Way Home. It will be and not only for the obvious, not only

for the obvious reasons of all the rumored cameos and all that. But I think in the way that No Way Home did, I think the cameos will make sense as where in Doctor Strange 2, they were just throwing cameos in there for the hell of it. And it was like, oh, that's just... Even the actors have mixed feelings about that. It was a gag. It was a gag. And it just didn't work as where in No Way Home, it worked tremendously. And I think that they'll do the same here. And I do think they're going to set up a new Wolverine. And I think that my, I stand by this and I know that it's been kind of, some people agree with me, some people don't, but they need to get rid and they need to get the hell out of this multiverse thing.

That's part one. They got to get the hell out of this thing. It is, it is, and this comes from somebody who in, like, I'm fascinated by multiverse, in way before Marvel and all this stuff, I'm just fascinated with it. Mm-hmm. But it's too confusing. It ruins the rules of so many different things. As Marisol said, it combines everything too, it's just too much.

But besides that, it's sloppy. It's really sloppy. When this is all over, all they need to do is focus on the X-Men and Fantastic Four. That's it. Because X-Men is essentially your Avengers movies. When you do, you start out with whether it's a Wolverine, whether it's Cyclops, whether it's Gene Gray, whoever it's going to be. Storm. You give them their movies the same way you did the Avengers, leading up over a two, three-year period.

and then after that three or four year period, whatever it is, the first X-Men movie hits. You do another, you do Wolverine 2, you do all these movies, you do a fantastic before movie, and you simplify it in the same way that you did with the first three phases of Marvel. And it's like you don't have like,

well, then we can do this show and then this character can come out of nowhere. And then Shung Chi, that movie worked really well, right? Well, we're never going to see him again. What? Where the hell's he been? Yeah. Where's he been? It's like he's in one post-credit scene or something,

or I don't even know where he is. You don't even know where he is. Where is he? And it's like, because they don't know, they don't have a, like, I don't, oh, we got to concentrate on this. We have this other show and it goes back to the house stretched way too, way too thin. That, uh, that, that Fige is. Oh, I would agree.

And honestly, I, just, just focus on the characters like we've been discussing. And, um, you have an opportunity with, with, um, uh, Fantastic Foreign X-Men to simplify, like you said. And, uh, if some people get their solo movies, I think that could work. Um, uh, uh, building it up. But I think also driving up the exclusivity of Marvel, similar to what Star Wars has been doing,

for better or worse. You know, I miss Star Wars movies in the theater a lot, but there's no denying that every time a show comes around, it's must watch TV for me. And that's all, I'm a big Star Wars fan, but also it feels more special than Marvel.

Marvel's like everywhere. Right. And Star Wars is enormously popular, but new Star Wars stories, especially in live action are a little more exclusive. Isn't that funny, though, how that that changed, though. Because during the first three, it was like, it was almost like what baseball was for a long time was America's pastime.

And football kind of overtook it. And that's kind of what happened with in football still is the one that everyone's watching now too. But it's almost like if baseball came back around. Because that's what, because I agree with you. I don't think that all Star Wars stuff has been amazing. But I think people are getting more excited because when it comes out and when the movie comes out, depending on how they do it, you know, you could, you, it hasn't been a new Star Wars movie since 2019. where Marvel there's like two or three a year and they haven't been great.

And what Marvel did, but for a long time, I was talking about Star Wars having two movies a year for a long time. And what they said was when Last Jedi had just come out and then Solo came out and Solo ate it. Right? And Last Jedi was so divisive that they were like, see, they shouldn't be two.

I'm like, no, because if Last Jedi was incredible and Solo was incredible, you guys would be like, oh, we should do two or three a year. And that's what Marvel was. was getting away with. Marvel was putting out two or three really good movies a year. And it was like, yeah, two or three,

that's fine. No one had a problem with it. Now it's like, there's too much. If all the movies and shows were great, nobody'd have a problem with it. But they're not great right now. Like Secret Invasion, aided, you know, like...

I haven't even watched that. I watched two episodes, and I bailed on it, and I didn't even mind the first two that I saw. But they were fine, but I just wasn't interested enough. And I said, I don't really feel like I'm missing anything if I don't watch this. Right.

And I didn't want to watch it. I do agree. And I think that that, I think that they're scared to slow down the production, but they also don't have the inspiration in the storywork to really back the level of shows and films that they're making. When you bring up the Star Wars comparison,

in contrast, we're seeing Star Wars really delegating two inspired individuals. Like, you're getting, you're getting Flonie in there, you're getting John Traverro in there to really take and run with a really clear, your visions and they're getting the keys like like they're put in control of really bringing these specific stories to life and you're not getting that those same pockets of inspiration and

and people coming to the project or that that that flexibility of a creative license with a lot of these MCU projects because like he does have his hands in everything and like you're saying is stretched then taking it trying to take it all in one direction but there's too much there is a lot. So very curious to hear all of your guys' thoughts on this, whether it comes to the Blade stuff, the Marvels and general, how you think it's going to do.

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we're going to start with Ghostbusters, even though you see Robocop there. The official Twitter account for Ghost Ghostbusters afterlife sequel has posted a Halloween tease promising something strange is coming soon. The video sees a full moon slowly turning into the Ghostbusters logo. The movie was originally slated for a Christmas release but pushed back to March 2024. Recent rumors have suggested the title of Ghostbusters, Frozen Empire, but it's not confirmed. All right.

Now, Robocop, ahead of the video game's release on Thursday. A live action trailer is out for the upcoming Robocop Rogue City. and there's a game with a clip bringing the icon of character back to life in the live action realm as he takes out criminals throughout old Detroit. Now, wait, this isn't actually, the other report that I saw, though, was that they were going to do, I don't know how true this is maybe, maybe this isn't an official story, but that they're going to do a sequel to, in the vein of Halloween, they're going to do a sequel, and every other movie past number one in the 1987 is not canon. So we'll take that out of the grain of salt because I don't know if that's the actual report, but we'll see. And then lastly, Wanka.

Winter Brothers has premiered a new poster for the Timothy Shalamey Wanka movie from Paddington, director, Paul King. Wanka opens in cinemas on December 15th. This feature reimagining of the world-famous chocolate or will see the Dune actor playing Ronald Doll's iconic character alongside Hugh Grant, Olivia Coleman, Sally Hawkins, Matt Lucas, Peterson, Joseph, Callal Lane, Rowan Atkinson, Michael Key, and more.

I like that poster. It's PG. I like that poster. I'm so curious. Let's actually start with Wonka. Because I'm torn on this. The movie itself, I'm excited for. And I'll tell you why I'm excited for it.

One, I like the trailer. Two, love the Paddington director. Love Paddington. One and two. And what I'm confused about is Dan Merle and I were talking, and Dan was like, I don't care about this movie at all. And he's not the only one.

I've heard a lot of people, and you guys might be on the same page. He's going, I don't care. I just watched the original again on the plane. Stand by that Grandpa Joe sucks as a human. Bad. He sucks. He sucks. He's telling him to steal at the end.

He is a response. He sucks. Charlie's a way better person. He would have been better off without him. Way better. As I mentioned, my buddy, Brett Ernst did a bit. Someone's like, well, yeah, he's good. I said my friend, Brett Ernst's his comedian.

did this joke about Grandpa Joe. He's laying in bed for 20 years, and he gets a ticket to the chocolate factory, and all of a sudden he's dancing around. He's got a job. He's like, oh, yeah. Like, he's the first one to come up with that. That was on the internet a couple of years ago, man.

I'm like, yeah, considering my buddy did the bit 2001, jagoff. So, either way. It was seeing that movie again on the plane, it is a special movie. I love it. I'm excited for that movie. And I heard the stuff at CinemaCon,

I missed at the stuff at Cinema Con. I got there late. But people raving about it. Marisol, do you go a shit about this movie? I wouldn't go that aggressively, but I do have mixed. I do have muted, you know,

muted optimism about it. Is it like a why type thing? Like why are you doing it? Well, I'm just not a big fan of origin movies. The unnecessary origin movie. I think it's, I think it's a little pandering.

It's also like, especially when they're unveiling, I think there's too much that you can know about characters that maintained their mystique, their mystery, the things, the less is more. And I don't, and I don't, I didn't need to know why Corella decided to start killing puppies. I really didn't. And I, and what is so brilliant about,

about the original Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was the enigmatic nature of Wonka. And I don't, and we were pulling that back. by giving him an origin story. And trust, I'm also with you completely that I adore the Paddington movies, and Paul King is wonderful, and those movies are brimming with so much heart.

So I, like, have the confidence in that that he could bring that angle to it, but I'm kind of mixed and all over the place. Salome is a, a-tier actor. He's wonderful, but he's also not very naturally from everything that I've seen him in before. He doesn't have that little twinkling as I. He doesn't do quirk.

It doesn't really come very naturally to him. And I wasn't really convinced. I didn't really feel that character. I felt a little bit of forced whimsy coming from him. I wasn't completely convinced. In the trailer, in the trailer. Like, we'll see. I still want to see it.

No, jury will out. The trailer is just a trailer. Like, I still want to give the movie the chance, and I'm going to go see it. But I'm hedging my expectations here. I think all those are really fair points. I think that for me, I like Chalemay. To me, Jeremy Allen White is, looks like Willie Wonka.

He looks like Gene Wilder. Yeah, yeah. It would have been very interesting in general. Yeah. I'm cool with the Chalemay casting, but I think Jeremy Allen White might have been a better casting choice as far as look as far as performance, because as you said, I haven't seen it.

But the reason why I think this movie is going to make hand over fist, because there hasn't been a big release in a little bit because of the strike and all that stuff too I mean there's been some but nothing like this is going to have some promotion I think behind it finally it's a family movie comes out right around the holidays it's off a really popular IP

and it's PG film it is going to I'm going to take I can take both my kids to see it and it will open up a brand new generation to the original I think this movie is going to do very, very well. I think it's going to crush, and I think it's going to be really good.

And this is one, like, it's funny as we're talking about the optimism on the Marvel's, right? If you're like, okay, if you only could choose which one's going to be good, what do you choose? I'm choosing one all day that I want it to be good because the Marvel's, like I said, well, Marvel will have Deadpool. They'll have Deadpool.

They'll be fine, yeah. This is a movie that if it's done right with the director of Paddington can have a smile on people's feelings. faces can have families really excited it's something again i can take my kids to so i'm i'm pretty excited about it what's say you i'm a big fan of uh the history of willie wonka in literature um and the jean wilder film um the book charlie and the chocolate factory um is doesn't get enough credit for being just it's so wonderfully bizarre and and the the original movie captures the spirit of that so well without literally adapting everything the same way. Because in the book, it's squirrels,

not geese. And then when the Tim Burton movie came out, they did a straight adaptation, like beat for beat of the book. We don't mention that movie on the show. Thank you. I know. But here's the thing. That movie did pretty well at the time. And my biggest gripe when I saw this trailer, honestly, was some of the visual effects choices I was seeing because it reminded me of the Tim Burton aesthetic. Okay. And I like the practicality of that gene, the original movie, the Mel Stewart movie. So also Charlie was the protagonist, but he's meant to be someone that we can step into his shoes.

And then when you put Gene Wilder in the role, he becomes the most interesting character. He took, he's, he's, what everyone remembers from that movie. So it's only natural that they would want to make a movie about him someday. But again, it's the why. Like we, we know he has a background. We know he has a story. He alluded to it in the original movie. But, yeah, like, I think it will do well, to your point.

I think it will do very well. But I just am I going to be, like, smiling so much that back in my head hurts whenever I watch that original movie? I don't know. I don't know. But I think the other thing is, too, I hate to say it. But another reason why we have the question of why is because we're getting older. And so it's like, well, you've got to make it. to movies that we loved as kids.

11 and 12 year old doesn't care that they're doing it. If it's a good movie, they want to see it and they want to go and they want to check it out. They're not going, why are they doing a prequel to that? Why I don't need, like your points are all valid, but there's nobody that they're really aiming to that's asking that question. It's the people, it's the film nerds, and it's people who enjoy the first movie and everything to. Well, why do you need it? It's people of that generation. Because money.

Absolutely. But it's also because they also know that it's also because they also know that it's people. If it's a well-done movie, children won't care. But speaking of which, then you get another, a 1987 classic. I was just listening to the score the other day,

Robocop, man. Great movie. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the second one is not good, but there's something entertaining about it. It's an entertaining movie. Now, again, I don't know how true this thing is,

because even in the Dark Horizons article, they didn't even mention it. It was more about the video game, but I saw it somewhere else that they're going to do a, a continuation. I love this idea if they stick to the actual Blumhouse

type of budget Robocop thing, right? If they make it look, because they did the remake, a PG-13 remake years ago, and it was fine, but it was like unnecessary with Michael Keaton. It was whatever. But if they can make a sequel and make it look like that, and even give it a little bit of the

80s kind of film flare, you know? I'm on board to check it out. Same score. Stop messing with the score. If you're going to do a remake or sequel to that movie, you've got to have this score. What do you think? Do you think this is something that could work? I do think it could work in theory. I'm a big fan of the original Robocop, and I have a soft spot for two and even three a little bit because they're all from that practical generation of moviemaking. And part two, I'll tell you what I like about that movie. I like Tom

Noon in that movie. He's the villain. Kane, he's so good. He's good. And remember, like, they upload his consciousness into a robot. It's so great. Yeah, yeah. So, um, that movie is actually pretty fun. Three is a stinker. But it's, it's, it's kind of, I kind of still enjoy. Peter Weller in it.

I know, but I, it's still kind of fun to watch because it's such a stinker. Um, I would watch three over the, the remake any day. Because the remake is sterile. When I watch, I'm just like, this is like watching tile. It's, it's, it's not, they try to do something to it that doesn't work. Keep them in the same

outfit. Keep them in the same thing. Give me the music and make it as if it's... It looks like Tron. Yeah. And make it as if it's 1989. If it's 1987 is when it comes out. The sequel should be 1987 or 1988, 1988, put it in that time period. And if that's the case, and make it look like it

almost like you literally are stepping back into 1988 or 89 to watch the movie and it looks like it was made in that time, I'm on board. It's the same way that's how I think that they'd be able to to save or at least try something new with the Terminator.

I feel the exact same way, Christian, because when it comes to Terminator and Robocop, they just need to do a limited budget. And with Terminator, make a horror movie again. Make a horror movie. Terminator 1 is my favorite. Out of all of them. I love Terminator 2,

but it's a big budget action film, and it's great. The Terminator 1 is a really just simple, smooth story, limited budget, and go back to that, do that. Yeah, learn from prey. Yeah, right.

Exactly. That is textbook how you do it, how you bring back, those franchises by taking it back to do the basics. Yeah. It's possible. And pray was an excellent example of that. There's no reason why they can't do that kind of thing. I would love for them.

They could still do that with Termine or everything else too. But anyway, supersized episode here today with my good friends, Marisol McKee and Adam Collins. So thank you guys for joining us here today on the show. Any of the topics that we had, please make your comments known. throw a like, make sure you subscribe. Very important. We're almost getting to 100,000.

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