The Kristian Harloff Show - Was the Critics Choice Awards joke against Ariana Debose funny or bad taste?

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

On today's episode of the Big Thing, we discussed the critics choice awards that happened, the winners, how was the show overall? And, the talk of the night was the joke that was written about Ariana Debose, and how it was implied that she was not a real singer. Was it funny, not funny?how did she react to it? Vincent D'onofrio talks about Daredevil Born Again and the new tone Wonka reaches 500 million worldwide. Mean girls musical opens up pretty big. Jon Bernthal talks about the punisher. Neve Campbell talks about scream on this packed episode of Big Thing with Kristian Harloff and John Rocha live. #marvel #oscars #arianadebose #criticschoiceawards #awards #controversy  OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

Happy Monday. We all had a great weekend, man. We are live. For those who are watching us live, we're live. For those who are watching on the replay, amazing. We're going to have a great show here today. So the Critics Choice Awards were last night. I was there. I was in the crowd. I saw a lot of great things. One of the better ceremonies that I'd been to thus far. But a lot of people have been chattering about one of the jokes that were made. An Ariana DeBrona. Bose's expense saying that her and Jack Black and Ryan Gosling were actors that wanted to be singers. It's a Broadway actress. Does that make sense? We'll talk about that. And we'll see if it was it a funny joke? Was it lame?

That and more. How does she respond? Because she did respond. I'll talk about the awards in general. In the same way that we talked about the Golden Globes, is it any indication now of what's going to happen at the Academy Awards, we'll discuss because there are a couple different things that happened from the Golden Globes to this. And there were some that were right on par with that.

There were some people that I saw in there that were, there were some Marvel peeps running around, a lot of Marvel stuff going on, you know, Echo right now, not probably doing what they wanted it to do, but they got Daredevil born again. And what's that tone going to be like? Well, DeNafrio, he addresses that. And in the same vein, you got John Bernthal who was talking about the Punisher. and what what his role is going to be returning roles and another returning roles is nev campbell to scream boy do they need her right now are they gonna is she going to come back we'll talk about

that and then we'll also talk about the box office wanka has made 500 million dollars thus far it's a pretty good number for that movie so we'll talk about that and more if you brand new to the channel you've never been here before help us get to 200 000 faster than we got to 100 be part of the conversation Some people just click on videos and I don't realize it's important. Why? Because you get updates. We do a lot more of these things and we are probably we hit 117 this morning. We're trying to get to 200 faster than we got to 100. We want you guys be part of the conversation.

I'll talk about a really cool conversation I had with somebody last night. I met a few cool peeps last night, but there's one conversation that I had that was, I think there was two things about it that I loved. I told myself I was going to do it. And I also know for a fact. I'm the only person that talked to this person about this particular thing in the whole room. I can guarantee it.

And I'll see if Roko says I'm full of shit or not. But I think that I'm the only person that definitely talk to this person about that subject. Vague enough? Good. So we got this and more Apple podcast, Spotify. And we are going to be taking your questions like we do every Monday. You get so many great questions coming.

You can start firing them in now. The way we work it is that we'll go over the topics. And then John and I will go through all of the super chat questions at the end of the show. So if you have things you are circulating in your brain, start firing them out there now. All right. It's the big thing. It's me. It's John Roker.

It's live. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to the big thing. It's Monday. It's myself and John Roka from John Roker YouTube channel. John, how was your weekend, man? Good, man, good. busy full of NFL playoffs for sure and uh watch catching up on a couple of movies uh like

the beekeeper and uh mean girls uh but yeah that was pretty much uh my weekend very stacked it's hard to believe it's monday already and we still got more playoff games got well it's funny do you have to pay for them uh yeah well i already have uh right i do too but it's a stupid um i like how they make it like uh think and for the first time ever you get to pay for the game what i'm talking about uh yeah and then last night i wasn't even going to go to the Critics Choice Awards last night. I am a member. I'm an active member. And I wasn't going to go. I didn't go. I haven't gone since 2019. They're always really good, but I just, I don't know. I think I was there the last time you went. I think I went as Perry's plus one.

No, I think, you went 20. Did you go during the, I don't, I don't remember you. I didn't go during COVID. I know that. Okay, maybe, well, I didn't see it. I don't know. I took the last time I went, I went with Finstock, which was amazing. And I wish I could have taken him again. I didn't have a plus one. He was one of the best guests you could ever possibly. He was great. He was great. Really fun. But last night I went to the thing.

And I was like, you know, I'm just going to go and watch the show. I have a good time. I was like, I did say, because you never know what kind of where are you going to sit. Yeah. Like where they're going to stay? I was like, if they, because one of the times that I went, I had, I was had, I was sat like one of the back tables and I couldn't say shit, could basically hear. I'm like, I was just running around the whole time and I didn't pay attention to

show. Holy. I had a good seat last night. So I was like, so I'm going to, I'm going to sit. I'm just going to watch and hang out. And I did. I enjoyed myself. I didn't have it.

I was drinking water. That was it. And did you see, did you see this speech? Do you see the speech with Giamati who talked about, did anyone else have a pizza in a bag? Did you see when he said that? Yeah.

Talking about the theater. Yeah. I was walking. I was walking through one of the breaks and some lady goes here. I was what the hell is this? She's pizza. I'm going to back. I was like,

all right. pizza in a bag is absolutely pizza in a bag there was there was a baha fresh joke that was me yeah he was quizzed about in and out afterwards in the oh was he it was hilarious so you know i'll just i'll just get to i'll tell you i'll break this the um i'll tell you exactly right right away what i was talking about right so last night as i was walking through before even before you get to we sit down you meet some people i i saw i saw a girl i saw yeah i saw and i had to talk to her man couldn't have been a nicer. Of course.

She was so sweet. She, like, held my hand when I was talking to her, and I called her. And I said to her, I said, look, I love Paul Giumani. She's like, how could you not? He's the best. I said, yeah, we're stealing scenes from him. And she said, oh, and I go, you're going to win tonight. You know that.

And she's like, and she won. I said, I told you. I told you. She was incredible. She was great. Got to meet this gentleman, which was all. Oh, nice. Three night and I as well.

Told Jason Siegel that, um, I, you know, big fan of shrinking, obviously. Hey. Dude, when we're, I told him, I talked to him about what you and I talked about, James, and I, I told him when I, I said, James, listen, I got to tell you, you know, that jury duty is just next level funny and what you said about the reason why you were going to do it. Because you don't want to make fun of this guy.

He's like, nah, it's the only way I could have done it, man. And I told him how, I told him how hilarious he was. Yeah. This one was special for me. Okay. So that's Susan Downey. That's Robert Downey Jr.'s wife. Look how beautiful she is.

I told her. So the funny thing is that I... She's so talented. Don't get me wrong. She was my boss. She was my boss for almost four years. Yeah. And so I went up for she's like, oh my God.

How you? And as nice as she has always been. And she's like, she stops me. She goes, what are you doing right? Tell me about, tell me everything. You tell me everything. And I'm like, so I started talking to her about like the show. She's like, tell me the full name of the show.

So I told her she's and she's going to, she's like, want to look it up. She used to come to all the stand-up shows. Oh, that's great. She's come to all the shows. And she was just, she was great. And she could tell. I was like, it's like, and what I said exactly what you just said. I was like, I said, I was watching you on the globes. And I said to my wife, you look exactly

the same. You don't age. And she's like, oh, come on. I go, serious. She was, but she was, she was great. It was great to. Wait, wait, wait, stop there. So the conversation, did it lead to a possible appearance by Robert Downey Jr.

on these light blue brick walls, maybe? I'll tell you what I would rather do. I want to have her on the show. That's fair, totally. I want to have her. I think that that's the first thing people, ask her if you can get Robert. I want to talk to her.

That's a great point, man. I actually, so I'm going to get in touch with her and see if I can get on the show. I would really like to, her career is phenomenal. And what she's done in all the times that he's like thanked her and done all these. She's, I mean, she's done a lot of different things.

So my, my, my play is I'm going to reach out to her. I'm going to try to get her on the show. I don't know if she's still doing an interview. She may say she doesn't do interviews. This one was very special to me. Hey. Yeah, chef, Jeremy Allen, when I talked to him, and I told him how much both of those shows meant to me

and obviously with the connection with my brother and everything too, and he was great and he was just like, very engaged and talking. But the story that, I mean, I taught, I shared this one where I told him. I told Ruffalo how good he was and poor things. And I was telling him about, I was like,

you had a performance that I just, I didn't know you had that in you. And he goes, you and me both, man. He was great. But this was the one. All right. You know, well, well, this one actually first, I took this for my,

oh, nice, Steve. I was a stranger things fan, but because Vivian, my daughter is a massive Stranger Things fan now, and Steve's one of her favorites. I had to talk to him. But this is the one that I have to tell everybody about because it was incredible.

Okay. Oh, the man, Paul Giamatti. So, John, I approached him. And I said, Paul, I know you're, because he's about to eat this. I said, I don't want to bother you too much, but I got to, I got to ask you. You have limited time during those breaks. People don't know. You have limited time to go up.

I talked before the show started. Oh, you did. Yeah. I talked before the show started because I wanted to talk. I had, because during the breaks, you get, like you said, you say, you say, one thing to someone. It's like two minutes. Yeah. Barely.

Um, but no, I had a good five minutes with Paul Giumani. And I sat down and I, and I went up to him and I said, listen, I'm going to have, ask you a question. He said, yeah, I'm sure anything. What do you think about this UFO jellyfish? He's a massive UFO guy. Is he really? He has his own podcast. What? So I talked to him. And he looks so excited to talk about it because I don't think anybody brought that out to him. And he's like, oh, he's like, you know, at first I didn't know, I wasn't, I wasn't sure about that. The, the, you know, what the, I thought maybe it was a smudge, but no, it's not. It's, it's not. And I was like, no, it's not. It's not. And I was like, no, it's not. It's not. It's not a much and we started talking me as what do you think about that miami mall thing and he starts like

asking me that and then we started talking about like the congress and the hearings and wow and so i i would love to get him on tuesday show please you're fucking kidding me i would love to get him on tuesday show because he's big into that stuff so um maybe once the cycle dies down and he's in between projects be perfect on beat i would i would love that i would love that um that's great dude I love that guy. So, I mean, so he was great.

So he was great. And then, you know, it was like, it was one of those things that I was just like, uh, that I,

that's hilarious. Someone said, I, say I was, no, it was not hitting on Robert Jr.'s, she was my, my boss for a long time,

I told her she should still look great. Um, you can tell people they look great. Yeah, you can say, and I, what I said, and I even said that.

I said, you don't, it basically just said you look the same. This is exactly my words was you look the same. Um, But they had a great night, Oppenheimer. Yeah. So that was one of the things.

So what do you want to talk about first? You want to get into the main topic? Sure. You want to talk about the, the critics? You want to talk about the awards themselves? Yeah, I mean, you're laying the groundwork forward already. Let's go.

You want to talk about the awards? Okay. Yeah, yeah. So we'll talk about the awards first. And then we'll talk about the joke that was told them whether it was funny or whether it's lame. We'll talk about that. Also, there's only five super chats.

So let's go. Stop. Stop it. Come on. The show just started. Don't do that to people. Stop it. Whoever wants to do stuff, you do stuff when your address has come through. I'm going to drive over there. You stop. Leave these people alone, will you? All right. So here you go. This is the, there he is, the man himself. So let's talk about the Critics Choice Awards. Like I said, I was there. I was pleasantly surprised with all the winners. I thought that it was, I thought it was done pretty well. There are the few that were pretty predictable. Where are these damn critics? There they are. Critics Choice Awards last. night reading the winners from dark horizons here are some of the winners then we'll see the ones that stand out um yeah best pitcher was oppenheimer uh best actor was paul giamati best actress was emma stone yeah uh best supporting actor robert danny junior best supporting actress

divine joy randolph let's start with those okay um all of those were ones that i said okay I am surprised. I am a Stone one. Not that I didn't think she was great. And when she did win, I said, okay, it's a three-horse race right now. It's a three-horse race because they're trading awards. You got Lily Gladstone took the Globe. She took, I thought Carrie Mulligan was going to sweep everything, but I was wrong.

So what do you think? Do you think that was kind of a shock or did you see that coming? No, I kind of saw it come. Look, I think the critic's choice may, you know, people talk about goal. and goals, people talk all of these other award shows. I think Critics' Choice is the one that kind of gives you a window really into what Hollywood is thinking, what Hollywood overall is thinking. You can say, oh, these are critics, but critics across a wide spectrum of thoughts and perspectives and analysis.

And I always look at the Critics' Choice and the Oscars. Those are my two favorite shows, obviously other than H.C. Which I'm a part of. But those two are my favorite because I have a good idea of what the barometer is in Hollywood for what is good and what isn't good. and what is considered by them good and what isn't. So the fact that Emma want, and the critics, like they don't get caught up in,

oh, this is, I should vote for this person because of such and such and what have you. They vote what they really believe is correct, right? So I look at the situation. I go, okay,

this makes sense. Yes, Emma Stone has been building and building and building with poor things. Poor things has been coming along. Poor things is doing everything that they thought May December would do. Poor things is doing. Yeah, absolutely smashing everything.

And so it's no surprise. But all three of those, dude, I would not be surprised if Lily wins and I won't be surprised if Lily loses because Kerry and Emma have delivered two incredible performances. And as much as I may want Lily to win, I just think those two are absolutely. You can't go wrong with those two either. Yeah, I would probably say that right now, but you'd have to put Lily and Emma in the lead over carrying obviously now with those two wins behind with those wins behind them. But I was backlash towards Meister that I think is affecting Kerry. Yeah, which is, I don't,

I don't get into that. But what I will say is that Emma Stone, when you go into it, does it, the one thing is that I really do like about the Critics Choice Awards also is that you know that everybody has seen everything. Yeah. They've seen everything. And that's the whole, like a lot of the time with the Academy, what they haven't seen everything. They'll tell you that they're bullshit. Some of these people, they don't, no way.

But that's why I think what is going to be like the, you could see poor things really, being a critic's movie. It really is. And so I, when I look into it, you go, okay, I can understand why she won there. But I'm with you. I could see it going either way. Yeah. But man, that was the one that I think was shocked.

Devine Joy Randolph, I think she's a lock. She's been winning all of them. So, yeah, no surprise. I think Oppenheimer's lock. Oh, yeah. I think that's the best picture. It's Hollywood. It's the Oscars.

They want that epic. They want that massive epic. Yeah, and I think at the end of the day, it's going to be Oppenheimer. I had a conversation with a friend I used to work at Fandanga with last night, and he was like, you know, I'd like to see it before the show started. He's like, I like to see a chance. He's like, I think Barbie has an outside shot. I go, no way, no, no chance.

I say Barbie, the fact that you said it best last week, Barbie was this year's Top Gun nomination. Absolutely. Yeah, which great. They should have one of those every year if warranted. And yeah, that one. So Oppenheimer wins it. I don't think it's a, you know, a chance.

Now, the other one that's a two-horse race is best actor. Yeah. Giamati and Killian Murphy. I don't know if you notice it, brother, but you're frozen right now on the screen. It did it again. I don't know why it's doing this on my camera, dude. Hold on. Yeah, you've got to turn something off on.

No, there's something going on with this camera for some reason. So what can you do? I'm going to ask you real quick because I fix my camera. Okay. I'll ask you about the two-horse race with Giamatti and Killian, if you think that this could be, you know, if Killian could wind up winning at the Oscars. I think this is an absolute toss-up.

I really do. I think Giamati has been coming along as more and more people are finally watching holdovers. It's on Peacock now for people to watch who want to pay that $5 a month for what they've got there. So the access to it all to it is becoming more available to these people. So more and more people are watching it. And so this is where I think Paul Giammar is. is starting to slowly take the lead. And people see Paul Giamati as a consummate actor who's kind of maybe due here for a victory.

And it's a wonderful performance. Now, as for Killian, Killian delivers incredible performance in an epic film for sure. But I think what, there's something about the feeling about caring for Giamati. He's like one of these people that you just love and care about. And he's always been one of these actors that you've seen in play all different status and whatever you open down the line. So you feel like this is the guy that could take it. I compare it to a little bit to that situation with Mark Rylance and Stallone.

Like Stallone deserved to win that Oscar, right? But Mark Rylance had that kind of feeling from a lot of the voters that this was a guy they'd seen work for numerous years. He's seen on stage and on screen. And so they really liked him. And that's why they went the route that they went. I think the same thing's going to happen here. They're both equally damn good performances. I just think people's affection for Paul Giamati might overcome people's respect for Killian's performance.

I think you're right. I think you're right. And I think they're both great performances. But I also think this, like campaigning is a big thing. And this guy's campaigning without campaigning. Right, exactly. He's being so like, whatever. He's eating burgers.

And people are covering it like, look at Jimi. He's one of us. He just eating burgers on the side of it. He talks about pizza in a bag. The great speech and the genuine speech you give about his dad, Yeah. And not being able to, I mean, you're 100% right. That is going to add into all of it because, and, and I've had a five minute

conversation with the man. And I was already like, I could talk to this guy for 45 hours. Yeah. He was just like, yeah, yeah, come on, come on, talk. And I'm like, it was, he was awesome. It's one of those energies, man. He is. And Killian Murphy was, I mean, great.

I mean, great. Either one of them want. And be like, okay. Yeah, 100%. But I don't, I think you're right. I think that that's going to carry over. And I think that that's, Giamati would be the, I think, a better,

and not a sure bet, but probably the mass favorite right now, especially after winning last night. Yeah, totally. Now, best supporting actor, Downey Jr. because it was kind of up in, not up in the air,

but some people were like, okay, could it be Ruffalo, could it be gosling? You know, some people were saying gosling, but I think Downey's a lock now. 100%.

Oh, yeah. 100%. I think it was nice to, like I say, have dalliances with the idea of these other supporting actors coming in and challenging Robert Downey Jr. But as you said, it's about campaigning. And as more and more people are getting reacquented with Oppenheimer. Look, it's back out in theaters and IMAX, we've been to go see again. They're really seeing Robert Downey Jr's performance all over again, re-appreciating it. He's doing interviews. What was the most recent interview who did? Speaking about how people have been saying to him, this is the most incredible performance of his career. And he said, I think that's a bit of a bias because I think

I delivered incredible stuff during the Marvel movies. And so clearly this is a guy who's understanding how to keep his feet in both sides of the fence here and please both fans here, who want who like the more standard fare and who like the Marvel fair. And so I think it's smart of him. And people just like him. And they also feel his due from his story. And it's a damn good performance, bro. It's a great performance. It's one of those performances that when I saw with Brett. And remember when I saw it. the second I walked out of that movie I think even our in our out of the theater I said he's in the conversation already yeah it's July or whatever it was I was like yeah he's this could be it yeah for him

and has he ever won no the Oscars never won the Oscar he's never won the Oscar um yeah I think this is it for him this is definitely going to win it this year I think that it's um it's set up for him to do that for sure it's a role for him to win it isn't like Pacino yeah he's a woman or paul newman for color money this is a legitimately great performance and he's didn't think wait a minute you Didn't think sensible woman was a great performance? Oh, man. Who's that? There's a better.

Come on. Okay. Roka. Give it. Oh, come. Ha. All right. I missed the best young actor, actress.

I found, like, a secret bathroom that nobody knew. I didn't have to wait any lines. I found a secret bathroom. I went, it was like this little, it was like a Batman bathroom. It was amazing. It's like I made friends with the guy who was making the Baja fresh stuff, and I go, and so I went out to the side where all the, the, the bathroom's where and there was a line they were letting people in i was like damn it so i went

to the and the guy's like back to the left open the and i was like i was like back and to the left so i went and i went back to the left and there's like this little room and i was like this is amazing i was like great i don't even know if it was a bathroom i was pissing all over it no it was a but it was it was this nice little bathroom and i just i could sneak out there but i think i missed the um the best young actor Yeah. So it was Dominic Sessa from the Holdover's, for sure. Best acting ensemble was Oppenheimer again. No surprise.

So best director, no one's a lock, right? Absolutely. Yeah, I think he's got to win. Yeah, I think he's going to be a lot of surprises. Best original screenplay, Gerwig and Bombach one. I think that'll probably happen to. Yeah. Adapted screenplay, it was American fiction.

It was great. I got a chance to meet Jeffrey Wright, which is awesome. Nice, man. He's one of the first people that I actually saw when I, was there. Best cinematography for Oppenheimer and best production design, Sarah Greenwood. The TV, I don't

know, is this editing, costume design here. I'll say this about Jeffrey Wright. If American fiction, which is a damn good movie, everyone should go see it. Yeah. You know, especially today, it's M. Okay, Day. Go and see American fiction out of respect for that. But, like, Jeffrey Wright's performance is so good in that movie.

It is fantastic. It's his best. It's his best performance, I think, ever. 100%. I almost was going to say that to him, but I didn't know I was going to offend him. No, tell him. He loves it. I think actors love to be told that deliver their greatest performance.

The bang, if it had had just a bit more bang and a bit more of an emotional journey for him to go on, that was less intellectual and much more emotional, I think this would have put him in contention with Killian and with Paul Giammati for possibly winning. But it's a great performance. And any other year, he's a leading contender to win. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

I thought he was great, but it's just going to be tough. You know, it's so funny because I love the anatomy of a fall so much. Oh, yeah. And when it won, I was like, yeah, but it was nominated against Godzilla. And I was like hoping. I was just, I was hoping that Godzilla. Yeah, good luck. Yeah, I know.

I was just hoping because it was such like a favor of everybody that maybe they, but. But he was there. He was there last night. I know, but I didn't know. I don't know him well. I didn't know, you know, I didn't, I would love to talk to him about like the Star Wars stuff and all. stuff but I don't know what they're going to talk about because the other um I was going to

talk to uh Coleman Domingo who was there I was like I wonder if I should ask him about I don't leave alone my man's looking dapper he was he was uh let's see best foreign language film yeah of course he was looking dapper he was sitting with Lenny Kravitz um that's the best song I'm just Ken that was a shock yes I'm just Ken was a shock uh duolipa was there by the way who is uh who is it is a presence she is a presence like i couldn't be in the room to do a little yeah i know they were last night we just talked about um did you i don't know if you heard that i don't know if you heard that did you hear that sound bite or no well good it didn't play it was just me again uh on a replay of a video um but yeah dual loop it was there and then i i thought for sure

that the billy ilish song was going to win oh yeah it's a great barbie song that song was going to win I couldn't believe that the, uh, that the, just Ken won. I couldn't believe that. But I, maybe it was, I don't know, people, people love that song. Yeah. Um, best score, Ludwig's a lock for Oppenheimer. Yeah, for sure. Uh, for the Emmys, succession is going to win everything.

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, he's, it's going to win everything. The Kieran Culkin's speech was awesome. Oh, so funny, man. Awesome. He's been killing it. Awesome. The thing with the hair and the ears, it was amazing.

So good. Uh, yeah, everybody. but he won for Billy Cruttup's speech was great too. I love Billy Crudup's speech and I love Billy Crud, like how he seemed like a six-year-old kid. Yeah. He was like, my son over there. He looked like so happy to be there.

I was like that was awesome. You just never know, man. Actors, they have a wall and, but they all want that award, man. It means something. I know a lot of people want to shit on award shows, and I think it's fair to shit on them sometimes. but for the creatives, man,

there is something great about getting some love and recognition for your work, you know, and that's when you see the little kid who always wanted to be an actor, pop out in those moments, you know? Look, I'm one of the people who sheds on the award shows. I think a lot of times they're boring and pretentious, and I thought

last night's show was entertaining. I think Kelsey Hanler did a great job. Yeah, but she did a great job. She was hilarious in the beginning, and that joke about Joe Coy got a big round of applause inside of the office. audience, I'll tell you that. We'll say something.

Don't date comedians. Don't ever date comedians. I've done it. My wife's done it. Hey, well, she married. Yep. So, but anyway, and speaking, we'll jump into this.

She was funny. Now we'll talk about if we think that, so poor, well, first of all, it was Anthony Ramos and, and, oh my God, help me out. Bella Ramsey. Thank you.

Bella Ramsey. We're on stage, and they, were talking it was the best song yeah and they said and then there's actors who want to be who think that they're singers yeah said jack black and so and then when they said that i said well that's confusing jack black's been a singer and very and been on tour yeah and then they said ariana debaose and i'm like did you broadway singer that transferred into act like what i didn't know what was going on and then they said ryan gosling and i was like the joke should have been Ariana, well, you have Ariana DeBosch, Jack Black, blah, blah, blah, and then you have Ryan Gosselin.

Yes, that's the joke. That's the joke. And I was like, and because they cut to her. And I was, I was in proximity to that I could see. And I'm, and I went, yeah, she didn't look thrilled. And I don't blame her because that joke, it wasn't even, it was just mean. It wasn't a joke. It wasn't a joke because it didn't make sense.

It didn't make sense. It didn't make sense. Even more so because Anthony Ramos was. was in Hamilton with Ariana DeBose. I tweeted it out last night and I said you know, award show writers, it's kind of a thankless job and I totally get it, but

you've got to be aware of what you're writing about and the joke maybe, and some people push back on my tweet from earlier last night and they said, it's a joke, we're making a joke, they know this, but no, you can't include Ryan Gosling in the joke with Ariana DeBose and Jack Black because then that kills

the joke because Ryan is the actual actor who thinks he can sing. Whereas the other two, one's Tenacious D and one's a Broadway musical theater. Well, Ryan Gosling was in a band also too, by the way. Right. And in the Disney stuff. I don't really know that much about it.

Knowing or not is that it doesn't make sense all the way around. I will disagree with you that you can't make the joke. You can. You're just be ready for the shit that you're getting today. Yeah, right. 100%.

Because the joke doesn't make any sense. The joke isn't funny. The joke, it's like, you can tell it because there are jokes that will a lot of times, and I think Ricky Jervais is somebody. Yeah, he's great. He's great. You can tell a joke and it'll piss a lot of people off,

but there'll be a ton of people that'll go, I don't care, that was funny. A lot of people, like, you can stick up for the fact that they're allowed to tell the joke. 100%. You're allowed to tell the joke. Totally. I just think that the percentage of this time around is probably on the 90% sure.

Like, for me, it's like, it's not about whether, I think, as a comedian, I think you can crack on whoever you want and do whatever you want and say whatever you want you just got to make it funny and it's not going to be funny to everybody because not everybody's going to find everything funny that's the beauty of of comedy in general but i was in that room and that went over like a fart in an elevator because it was just like it's awkward it just didn't make sense i was like who crafted who wrote that joke let me ask you when you're in the room do they because it's been a while so i've

been in that room do they pan to her because i mean when you see it in the yeah There was a screen. So you all see her. We saw a you saw. Yeah. Because so she was there. And then they have three screens. They have the,

and very clear good screens, not like bullshit ones. Um, really good screens in this place. So I was right. I could see it. And then I could see the stage really well, but I could see where she was. And they panned her and she,

she didn't get it. She wasn't like at first, because you can tell she tried to laugh it off. She just didn't get it. And it was like, well, you don't understand. That's like,

that's kind of what I do is I am. singer he was like it just was it's like you know saying like oh man that lebron uh james he's he's pretty bad basketball player huh it's like what what what you mean michael jordan that guy never won anything it's like saying he's an actor after space jam who thinks he can play basketball that's all you would say the joke with michael jrown makes no sense well well yes and no because i mean and maybe after train wreck because he's not an actor she's both she's right so like so Yeah, that taking a shot at her like her didn't make sense. And I think Ryan Gossing would have been okay with people taking crack with

it was just him. So I don't know. It's just like, but I also, I also think it's one of these things that we're talking about it today. People will be talking, if you know, a week or two,

it's just a very, and I'm sure the writers are like, oops. I don't think they were trying to like hurt her. They were just, let's crack on. Maybe somebody who just didn't do their research, but it's like,

That's, and that's the problem I have. Like, yeah, I put in my, like, she tweeted out on her or post on her Instagram. No, I didn't find it funny, L.O.L. So she responded to it in her social media. But when I tweeted it, I said, like, this is the reason I wrote my speech at the ACHAs for Giancarlos Posito because I didn't trust a writer to know him as in-depthly as I did. So I asked them if I could write the speech and they were very gracious to say yes. And so I wrote the speech to give him that award that we gave him because I wanted him to feel it was coming to someone

who knew his work, you know. And some of these writers, they're so busy doing a million things, trying to work, trying to pay bills, trying to take jobs, freelance jobs. They're not always going to watch everything and get everything in the nuance way that they should. Yeah. I think this is one of those mistakes. And you think you're right. You can tell the joke.

You just got to tell it well. Do you think that Bella Ramsey might have misread the joke or said the joke wrong? I don't know if that's the case. It's on the teleprompter. There's no way. That doesn't mean anything. You could, that thing could go fast and too. And I think the answer is probably not.

I think she probably didn't tell it wrong, but it just wasn't funny. Anyway, very fierce to what you guys think. I want to know because, you know, like I said, there's tons of, there's tons of bad jokes that happen all the time. And I think that what it was is that it wasn't. It also, I think in situations like that, when you come to the presentation, if you don't have comedic actors, you don't have to tell jokes. Chelsea Handler was telling jokes and was doing fine.

She was more than fine. She was funny. She was really getting the audience laughing, and she had him in a good mood. She hosted the night really, really well. If you have a Will Ferrell there, if you have a comedic actress or a comedic actor who's in between or presenting, and they start to tell jokes. Or if a comedic writer, like someone who's really, like, you know, if it's like, if Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig wrote something for, for Margo Robbie when she went up to present, then I get it. But like, why are you given Anthony Ramos and Bella Ramsey jokes to tell? Yeah.

During a comedy, during songs, it's not all those songs were all comedies anyway. But it didn't make any sense to me, but I don't know. And most of them don't read it before they go off there. Right. Because they've got, they're doing a million things. And they're drinking and they're having a good time before. Exactly. It's like, oh, you're presenting next.

Okay, I'm just going to read off the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't, I think Anthony Ramos is catching some shit because of his relationship with her. and I understand that. But it's like also the guy is just like, oh, it's my turn now. Okay, sure. What do I get? And oh, she read, and he didn't even read it.

He didn't even read it. He didn't even read the part. He could have walked off the stage. He could have walked off the stage and I. But the fuck, that made no fucking sense. So I don't know. I don't know. Either way, whatever, it'll be, it'll be gone tomorrow.

A lot of armchair critics who've never been in that situation saying, Anthony should have done this and should have done that. It's like, come on. You have no idea. You don't know you don't know the situation of it. You don't know when it came about. You don't know if he was like, oh, that'll be funny. Or if he's like, what the hell do we just say?

No, no, you're not paying a 10. He's not writing the show. He's not going to stop the show, right? Of course, he's like, wait a minute. No, no. So, exactly. So I don't, I don't, he was, people are always like, throw stones. Leave the guy alone.

It's not his fault. Of course. The writers wrote a bad joke. Yeah. And that's it. Anyway. Anyway, before we move on, we got a lot of other things to talk about here today. And I see all the super chats coming in.

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What did the beekeeper crush over? Neatheber with 39 million worldwide, uh, main girls 34 million. I get 21. I have C 21 for worldwide here. Where are you seeing 30? 21 plus the 18 is 39, but that's what it did. No, I'm seeing worldwide. Oh, domestic and no, I'm seeing domestic and worldwide.

That's, no, that's domestic. I think you're wrong. I think 21 million is what. Dave there. Is that what he said? Right here, deadline. Bekeeper buzzes to a 37 million global. And what is Mean Girls at 35?

Okay. So 35, 37. Still, they both did really, really well. They did. For January films? Absolutely. But not even just for January films. Okay.

For the new way that films should go, the movies cost $13 to make, both of these movies. They cost nothing to make. They had big enough talent in both of these movies. you know, especially in Bekeeper, you had Statham is really all you need. You had a great,

you had a couple smaller roles from recognizable actors, but like you just want, you relied on an old school action movie, you got people into theater, you made your money back. Mean girls, you know, it hit the target audience. It hit the target audience. Last night I ran into Gray Drake and she was like, she sat next to my daughter. My daughter loved this movie.

My daughter is the target audience for this movie. I thought the movie was, it was fine. I actually, I watched you out of the theater reaction. I agreed with. everything that you said. Oh, thank you. Yeah, I really did. I agreed with everything that you said. It just, it didn't hit to me in the same way, but I enjoyed it more because I'm looking over my daughter's just like, as if I was at a Bruce Springsteen concert, that's what she was doing, right? It's like going nuts. And I was like, that's why when that, when you tell me that movie made the money

it did, I understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Um, so those two movies, crushed it. What, beekeeper, I didn't see you're out of the theater, but beekeeper to me, mine was, I had a blast of that movie. Such a blast. It's so fun. It's, it's, it's a vehicle. It's one of those old school Jason Statham vehicles that he did for a little bit in the 2000s, but it's elevated a little bit, and I use that term loosely, because David Ayer is such a damn good director. Yeah. He was able to take him and put him in a, he knew exactly how to use Statham. He knew exactly how he used Jeremy Irons and Josh Hutchinson and Felicia Rashad and the people that are in it, And the actress from Abbrella Academy, whose name escapes me, they all were great in how he said it all up.

And, you know, you went in for a kick-ass action film with a lot of fight sequences. You got that all across the board. And yeah, at the end, does it get a little like, yes, but they've earned so much goodwill that you don't give a shit. No, there are times they throw in like some, it's like comic book characters. Yeah. And like, I did think the FBI story was worthless. Yeah. Worthless.

It was, it was fast forward stuff. It was worth. You could have just had the back and forth, the Jeremy Irons, the Statham, and then that was it. And it was because it was just, it was, it was John, it was his version of John Wick. Yeah, basically. But not as, it wasn't as, as layered. You know, it was.

No, no, no, no. Yeah, there's a ridiculous gas station scene, which I love. And there's this ridiculous, over the top, cartoony, South African guy with this blonde hair. It's so stupid. It's great. All killed a beauty keep out once. Come on, you Boston. I'm like, yeah, go for it.

It's just, it was, I felt it was just fun to watch that movie. And yeah, it was a blast. It was just a good January kind of movie, but it's just these smaller movies, the reason that the horror movies do well when you spend them, and even that Glenn Powell movie that just came out there, anyone but you would get shit ratings, reviews, whatever, but it made money because it cost nothing to make. Stop with the,

overinflated. But did you see the new report about Fast and Furious? Yeah. They're going back to... Back to basics. $200 million. Yeah. Locations are limited. We're telling a smaller story. Yeah, we're only going to spend $200 million. We're only going to spend $200 million.

Oh, why is that? Because you spent $370 and couldn't hit your billion. Yeah. That was so stupid. I bet $180 million of it is just actor salaries. The $20 million is what is actually going to cost to do the film. Spending $370 million dollars on. a fast and furious movie.

What are you doing? It all hit billion dollars before. They'll do it again. Different time. What are you doing? $150 million. Call it a day. $150.

Call it a day. $200 million. We're going back to basics. Stupid. What is the statement that is? Yeah, yeah. It's just like, don't say anything. If you don't say anything and then it's like,

what was the budget on that one? Well, this one was only $200. Oh, good for them. But don't make a big bull. We're cutting much. We're cutting money. So you need to cut money, you idiots. You're making the money.

They're making the movie for the money it should have been. Yeah. In the first place. Yeah. Plus $370 million. And you wonder why you're like, well, why do we make money on that one? Well, you also can't have 30 cast members. Like, that's the problem, too, is they have so many, they keep adding people every Fast and Furious film that at some point, the budget for the actors alone, the salary alone is just out of control, man.

It's crazy. Do you think that this, that's the other thing, though, do you think that this stuff going on with Vin Diesel is going to hurt the production at all or probably not? It's fascinating to me because I think it's, if it gets reported more and more, if more people come out, then yes, I think it will affect it overall. I mean, Vin's been due for a reckoning for quite some time. I mean, he seems to piss off a lot of people he works with. And so to me, this is something that is eventually going to break at some point.

And so we'll see how it affects it. But, I mean, the story was a buzz for 24 hours. it was gone. So it all depend on if there's more to come from this and more people come out speaking about what it. Or it gets settled or something. Yeah. Yeah.

Or it gets settled. Right. It gets pushed inside and said it. Kind of like Puff. Puff, dad. He was like, oh, you got the evidence? Here's $50 million gold. Gone now, right?

Yeah. So it's funny you say that because until you said it, I was like, oh, yeah, because that was everywhere. And that's nowhere. So, okay, so we got the box office. Speaking of the box office also, let's talk about another movie that just, I think,

It went way over expectations, and that's Wonka, right? Yeah, Wonka, 500 million. Yeah, dude, Wonka made, it's done 500 thus far. Dark Horizons, Winter Brothers Pictures, Village Road Show, and Hayday films. Wonka reportedly crossed the 500 million mark globally this weekend. After, as of Sunday, the film has reached $505 million, with 329 million of that from outside North America on top. It has several major markets to go.

In some key markets, it has done gang. Bustor business, including 71 million in the UK, 21 million in Australia, 25 million in France and more. The film has also become Paddington director Paul King's highest grossing film ever. It's leading the solid early 2024 global box office so far. David Ayers the beekeeper debuted this weekend and is on track to land 37.1 million worldwide in its opening weekend with 8.1 of that from IMAX. Mean Girls was 34.5, as you said, and Aquaman Lost Kingdom is hanging in there thanks to the global

box office as a Sunday and now is it 3703.7. Now it's probably still gonna maybe be at a slight loss or maybe break even but that's I mean it it keeps on chuglin. It's made more than Shazam. Now not profit, but box office receipts, it's made more than the first Shazam film. The first. Oh, the first one right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it also costs significantly more than. Well, right. Fair point. But still. But still. Yeah. No, no. It definitely, I mean, and it's people who are comparing it to the Marvels, it far exceeded what the Marvels. did it and people were also saying oh look see this is this movie it's it's just going to keep doing doing worse and worse and it's actually done better so it still might lose money for them

but it's not going to be a colossal disaster like some of these other dc and marvel ones that that have been recently so that's good for you know again i think it also says a lot about jason mamoa star power yes a hundred percent of you got a lot of star power i mean everyone was talking about him after that last fast and furious movie no one was talking about vin or anybody else they were talking about him well they were talking about vinny apparently the rumor was that he was pissed off at how uh... momo was playing him um he was about the rock rock because he knew he was going to steal the moa moa took like a a heath ledger approach to that in joker style like he he is the best part of that whole

movie he is he is he's so and he knows he is he's so over the top and ridiculous and he could have fit into the beekeeper as well oh yeah wanted to but he knew exactly what he was doing and i by the way i will say the guy that did the South African cartoon guide was doing exactly what he was asked to do. Oh yes. You understood the assignment. He understood the assignment. I'm not

making fun of his performance. Actually, the exact opposite. It's just David Eyre was like, I want this thing so over the top and so silly. And I think that's the same note that Mamoa got. Because he's ridiculous in that movie. And that's one of the reasons I do

want to see. I didn't mind that movie, by the way. I just don't think it should have cost the money that it did he was ridiculous in a fun way and that's what you want from that yeah yeah but dude wanka making 500 million that's a big i mean that's a and couple that with aquaman that we just talked about barbie warner brothers did better than projections yes they had still had the flash that ate shit that shazam two that ate shit and then and blue beetle didn't ain't shit. It just kind of like didn't do good. Right. But

Barbie made enough because when we were going over, I don't know if that was with you, but we were going over the numbers of the, the, the top studios that did. Yeah, we did that. Yeah. Like, did the best. And Warner Brothers was like, I think like number two or three. It might have been number three. It was two. Yeah. I wonder,

I wonder if it's a just, no, it's still because Disney was so, Disney was even with the year they had, they were still close to catch a number one, which is insane. Because I just have so much shit. Yeah. Yeah. So you think there's going to be a second Wanka?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think there's no reason there shouldn't be. And Shalemae is due for a franchise. So why not do one like this? You know? At Dune. Yeah.

Well, I mean, yes. Yes. Yes. But that's really him and Zendaya, isn't it? Like, that's not really Shalame only. Whereas Wanka's... It's a ensemble. It's ensemble.

But he's like, he is the... He's the main guy. But I'll tell you the difference here. you know, $500 million, that's incredible for this film. And this also was not pitched as a musical. People were surprised that it was a musical and whatever, but no one is complaining. Why? Because it was a great film.

Well, you look at, it was a good film, good to great film. If you look at Mean Girls, people are like, 16% of the people coming out complained that it was a musical. Really? Because it didn't like the movie. If you like the movie, you don't care about the switch because it worked. And with Wanka, it worked. And that's why people weren't complaining about it. being a musical because they really enjoy the film.

I think Mean Girls is uneven, which is why I think people are coming out complaining a little bit. Like someone posted a video of them in the theater. And when, and Gorey Rice starts to sing about the guy, when she's sitting behind him, people started laughing out loud in the theater. I didn't understand it was a musical?

Yeah, I didn't get it. Well, the studios are doing this thing now, and they've got this report where they're not telling people that these things are musicals. That's an interesting idea. Well, because people aren't paying to go see musicals. that's no they didn't tell anybody that wanka was in music i had i had no clue that wanka was a musical going into it um and i and because the the wanka movie i thought it was fine waka movie to me

was a muppet movie without the muppets it was it had that kind of feel to it and it with music in it you know and um but yeah they're doing this thing where they're not telling people that it's a musical because people don't pay to go see musicals for some reason there's like this kind of stigma against it so certain ones i mean because Because Greatest Showman made so much money. But I mean, you're right. In The Heights crashed and burned. West End story.

Story crashed and burned. So that's unfortunate, man. There's a lot of them that they just eat it. All right. So that's that. Again, I see people putting in those super chats. Don't worry. We're going to get to those super chats as soon as we finish up all of our stories here too.

So keep firing them in there. And we'll be here. There's only 18. I want you to stop. Get over 20. I want you to stop. There's 18. super chats already you just counted them right yeah look at right now well then that's i mean

you no one hired you to be pauling walnuts okay no no one hired you they need 20 t no you everybody if if it stays at 18 it stays at 18 if it's if it's two it's two stop that you put my mother at home put my mother the home we should stop this all right so let's keep going and i want to talk about this actually you know what i want to do i want to talk about the uh nev cam thing. Okay. Because I know that you talk a lot about Scream with with Jeff. He's a hot mic. Yeah, yeah, on Hot Mike.

Well, John, why don't you do that? Before we get into before we get into this story, why don't you tell people about Hot Mike and where they can find you and stuff on what you're doing now? Yeah, Hot Mike, one of the hottest shows about the world of entertainment going around. Me and Jeff Snyder, we're doing it now twice weekly on the Outlaw Nation channel. So head on over to the YouTube channel, YouTube.com, slash John Roka says, we're trying to do one show on a Monday

or Tuesday and then our standard time at Thursday at 4 p.m. Pt. We talk about our honest, unvarnished opinions about everything going on in the world of entertainment. The show is not tied to any studio, actor, producer, or director. So you're getting our honest points of views on everything whether you like it or not. And I think that's what I love about the show. And of course, other things going on there at the Outlaw Nation channel, the Jedi Way, the geek buddies, my reactions, my reviews over there. And the sports channel, which I haven't pitched much on here, game time. Winston and I going live every week to talk about the NFL. It's a separate sports channel. You go just look up game time and our names. We're going live tomorrow night at 6 p.t to talk

about all the games from this past weekend. But the Outlaw Nation channel is the channel you want to go to my friends. Get me above 50,000. Come on guys. Come and fight with me or agree with me and let's get to 50,000. Is that the goal 50? 50. It would be great to get to 50. I wanted to get to 50 by the end of last year. But like, unfortunately, we didn't get there, trying to get there, hopefully by the end of this year, if not more. Okay, there you go. So check out John Rokke's channel and head on over there. Link will be in the description as soon as this thing goes on the replay.

So let's go to this story, this Scream story. This is Nev Campbell on potential scream return, Dark Horizons. Back in June last year, Nev Campbell revealed that she was set to leave the Scream franchise because she wasn't being properly compensated to return as, Sydney Prescott for Scream 6. The filmmakers didn't recast, rather, her character simply didn't show up in the feature. It didn't hurt the box office, though.

The film made $160 million worldwide, and it became the top grossing entry in the franchise in North America. A seventh screen was put into development, but it has numerous challenges and currently sits without the last two films leading ladies, Melissa Barrera and Jenna Ortega, or the director, Christopher Landon. Oh, Christopher Landon walked away from it too? Yeah.

A week and a half ago. Oh, wow. He said, F this. He tweeted it out. It was like, this is, this happened actually a few weeks ago, but I'm announcing it now. He was done. Probably he wanted to keep the goodwill of the fans. Smart. One of the few ways the troubled production could get back on track was to bring Campbell back,

and the actress told variety yesterday that she could see herself returning under the right circumstances, aka 75 trucks full of money on her lawn. Either way, she heard that continues. I honestly don't have any idea what the plans are. I know a lot has gone on around it. I'm sure they're spinning a little bit at the moment. She knows she hasn't by the balls. These movies mean a lot to us and they mean a lot to the fans.

I go to these conventions sometimes that I meet the fans and they're frantic about these films. They love them. These films mean a lot to them. The characters mean a lot. So even for their sake, I would love to see you continue. Last report, James Vanderbilt and Guy Bucic are effectively starting from scratch on the script for the film. So it could be some time before ghostface and whoever he's hunting back to screens. If they want to continue this franchise, then you give her back end and you give her everything that she wants.

And that's how you make the film. Otherwise, you put it to sleep. Wow. I have the opposite opinion. I think you don't bring her back at all. Start over from scratch. Get a whole bunch of new young actors. As you said, doing things for cheaper.

Get a bunch of whole new young actors. good like just like they were nobody who the fuck Neff Campbell was Corny was coming off friends he's a TV actress And it has a name, it has an IP Yeah it has an IP so you can start over They did it on was that MTV show they had them Or whatever it was scream queens or whatever

You can do things like find a stable Of New Young Act like you find with Jenna and Melissa Barrera and start over again And then boom you can jump into this Don't even talk about that city Just do it in a whole new city And completely something else And you reboot it or requal it whatever you want to do

Yeah. But this is, it's incredible how this blew up and just, it's, yeah. That's what I'm saying, though. It's like, the problem, the problem was start, your logic is sound. Like, I, I get it. Thank you. Like, no, I get it. Like, it's like, spend nothing, get nobody's use ghost face, put it somewhere else.

But the problem with that is that if you don't nail the formula on the way back, it's, it is over. I mean, it's 100%. It's over because they're going to be like nice try. You don't have Courtney Cox in this thing. You don't have Neve Campbell. You don't have Musa Barrera. You don't have General Ortega. You set me up for all these movies and it doesn't relate to it at all.

It's just in a separate city. Way in the cat, you're trying to cash in. If it fails, if they can turn it out and make it like really special, sure. But seven or eight movies into it, can be tough. And it's like if the thing with scream is even those last two movies, they still relate to the franchise. I mean, you have Courtney Cox. you have the billish kid you have like all this stuff that's that it's all related to it so if you and and the reason i say with nev campbell bring her back because if you want to try to get as she's

mentioning those hardcore fans like the hardcore scream fans the really hardcore ones yeah they're gonna put up a stink if nobody's in it like if it's just all newbies they're gonna be like okay we'll check it out but like and and if nev campbell says she's willing to come back and they don't go get her those scream fans are going to go well that sucks and that so I think if you can get her and you can probably give her a good payday and you can make it around her, I think you got to try to do that for this one to get it because maybe your idea down the line is something they do after you get the goodwill of the fans back by bringing back Sydney. Yeah, I mean, look, again, I'll say the same thing you just said to me. Your logic is sound.

Totally makes sense. It's a built-in thing to have her in it. Like it's a built-in audience that's going to come. It's a guarantee of money. Right. If you put her in it for sure. If you go my route, I think you spend the money on finding a really interesting great director who understands this property and this franchise.

And you want to bring, I mean, Ari Aster, could you bring, oh, God, who's the one that did the alligator movie? I forget his name. Ajah. Right, right, right. Alex Ajah. Yeah, bring him, bring them in, see if they have a take on screen. So then it becomes about, ooh, this interesting horror direct that I know, let's see what their version of screen is. If you're not going to go the Neff Campbell route, which I think is fair to do as well.

Yeah, you'd have to go against kind of what, you know, if you're going to go really scary with it. But it's always been like this kind of satire on the horror films is what it's been. So that's kind of been the beauty since the first one came out with West Cravens. I don't know. It's it will, we'll see. But as far as returns go, we've got another one. We've got another return. And that is the one and the only, John Burnthal.

John Brunthal's the man. He's talking about returning to the Punisher role. I'll be the last one before you get to the Super Chats here. But Bernthal, on return to the Punisher role, while Marvel's Netflix series began with Daredevil, they ended with The Punisher, which was the last of the sixth series, created for the streamer,

and it premiered back in November of 2017. Berndthel starred as the brutally violent Frank Castle, the Punisher, who was first introduced in the second season of Deer Devil before getting his own show, which ran for two seasons. Bernthal's going to reprise the role for Daredevil Born Again, and the hiring has begged the question as to whether we'll see a full Punisher series again in a recent interview with Collider.

Bernthal isn't sure about that question. One thing he is certain of is his love of the character and the commitment to doing it, he says, I think there's a reason to why that character has resonated as deeply and strongly as he has. In the hearts and minds of comic book fans and first responders and people in the military and all over the globe, I think there's a little bit of Frank Castle and everybody. He exists very strongly inside of me,

and I care about that character deeply. I also know that it's absolutely a sense. that if we do it, we do it right and we have real sacred integrity to the source material and what it is to the core of Frank. I'm going to do my best to make sure that if and when we do it, we do it right. How involved the Punisher is in it Daredevil Born Again isn't clear. The actor has no shortage of work though, and it was more recently seen in Ava Duvena's origin and FX is the bear. I'm actually going to continue on here with keeping in the same vein of I don't have that DeNafrio picture, so I'll just stay with this.

But Vincent DeNafrio, it was talking about Daredevil and the tones, because this is all going to set up to the same thing. Though he came back for a guest spot on Hawkeye, Vincent Danofrio finally and properly revived his Kingpin character from Daredevil in the recently released Echo. He's continuing on with the character in Daredevil Born Again. The project was shut down during the strikes. It is getting a creative overhaul and will return to filming across a good chunk of the next few months. due to the overhaul and the quite different portrayals of the character in Hawkeye and Echo,

it begs the question, what are we getting with Kingpin? In a post-credit podcast interview, DeNafrio gave a quick status on how it's going. He said, we're in the middle of production. It's coming out great. We're putting everything we can into and trying to get into it right, no matter how long it takes us to do that. What's going on right now is that Charlie Cox and I are extremely happy with what's happening. Like, I'm right in the middle of playing Wilson Fiske because that character, so I'm stuck in this place. I know everything about it, but I can't say a word.

about it. Asked if Bornegan will fall under the Marvel Spotlight banner. He confirms the show will totally be kin to Echo and the original Daredevil. He said, oh, for sure. I mean, that's my opinion. I would imagine it's going to be. Nobody has said, hey, do you know this is happening? No one has said that, but it is, but it is of the same tone and feel of Echo. The attention that the big bosses are giving to it is extraordinary, and Charlie and I are amazed about how much they care about this series, and I can't imagine it being treated any less. The comments come in the wake of Disney Plus, adding the Marvel Netflix shows to the official Marvel timeline and reports of Eldon Henson and Deborah Ann Wolf returning to the roles of Fogging and Karen.

So there's a lot there, John. Yeah. A lot there. So start with that. Let's start with that one, man. So DeNofrio says about this tone. Echo, did you finish Echo? I did.

Yeah. I finished all one day. I finished one, two, and three, got the early ones. And that was, I think that's why I said, I understand why they didn't drop it all at once. Because when it, because when it dropped all at once, people are like, okay, I just want to see what the story goes, right? and if you watched a week to week, you're like, oh, I'll get to it when I get to it. And that's how I was, well, I got the first three.

And I was like, oh, I'm interested where it goes. And I know it's on. I haven't even gone back to watch it. And I'm like, and I heard four and five are the best ones. And so I will go back to watch it, but I'm not like, I thought the show was fine. And it's just, you know, it's forgettable. And so when he says the tone is like that,

I hope he means the trailer. Well, yeah, I think he means that it's TBMA. And this is a battle that Michael Wogle and the Geek Buddies and I had when we did our review that's up on the channel. We battled over their idea of dark versus my idea of dark or some people who think like me's idea of dark. Like Disney's idea of dark is not necessarily what we got at Netflix. And I think that's where it's going to be a clash down the road with how they do Daredevil Born Again, how they do Punisher. because those Netflix shows were brutal, brutal. They told great emotional stories, fantastic performances, Christian,

but they were bloody, they were brutal, they were violent. Through that car scene, the car door scene, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I don't see Disney doing that, no matter how much they're claiming they're going to do TVMA and do the spotlight banner. I think it's a bunch, it's a shell game to try to get people to try to pick the thing underneath one of the, the ball underneath one of the shells,

and be excited in the game. But the truth is, at the end of the day, If they're going to mirror the echo tone, it wasn't as brutal as people think as the trailers made it out to seem. There were like two or three fight sequences that were remotely close to what you got in the Netflix show. So I think it's an uneven series and a lot of people are reacting to that quote being like, oh, no, they're going to ruin Daredevil. They're going to ruin a Punisher. And I'll tell you this, the first season of Punisher was my personal number one season of any Netflix show. I put it over any Daredevil season, over any Daredevil season, over any Disney.

Defenders, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, whatever that first season of Punisher was my language and everything about it. Do you know that I don't think I've ever seen it? What? The first season? I don't think so. I don't think I've ever seen it, no. Bro, I would commit to a series on your channel watching every episode with you.

I know, I need to. I need to. I want to. I love, and I love John Bernthal. He's great. Yeah, and then as far as that goes, yeah, having him come back, he's great, and I love what he's been very consistent in saying exactly what he said and that's we have to do it right so i bet he's one of the voices of going come on guys just like just go this there's a reason why they were so good and there's a reason why you got comments like john just made just now because they didn't they didn't try to

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to that. So very important to talk to people when you need to talk and this is very convenient. So please consider it. Go to the link in the description. All of our sponsors are in the comments below. All right. John, let's get to some of these questions, man. We're going to start with Jamie Rell. Says fast and furious. Shit, I'm out of cat. That's true. It's good call. We'll see if they close it out. Mike Joyce, how about them cowboys? I love when they get knocked out. It's like them and the Red Sox anytime they go bye-bye.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Jamie Roe, re-watching Schmowdown for the 10-year anniversary. I know, it's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, 2010, 2020, it was funny because I had Ed Harrell reach out to me and asked me if I was going to do like a Schmo's-no 10-year anniversary. I was like, the Shmo's No live show was or really started in like 20, 11, 2012. So it wasn't a 10 year. But the Schmodown would be coming up to July for 10 years.

And the entire channel now, the Schmodeon channel has, there's a few matches that are missing from the playlist, but they're just private. I'm making them public. But Frank Janish went through and you can find every match, everything. There's like he and we just haven't uploaded or made him public rather yet. But there's like the, he made a playlist, like the Roka playlist, the Merrill playlist. He made them all. It's going to be like it's it really is like the WWE network over there for the Shmona. You know, with AI you can change the outcome of some of the matches and I'll happily re-record myself celebrating victories. Sure. If they want. So, you know, it's celebrate the 10 year anniversary. Absolutely. Next one. This is from Tarrow.

I love what you guys do. Thank you. I actually liked Echo a lot more than I thought. Do you have more hope for Daredevil after seeing Echo? I have more hope the fact that they shut down what they were making to re-do what they're doing now because they knew it wasn't going to work and I knew people were going to be not happy and the fact that they didn't put their feet and their heels into the ground and say no this is what we're going to do we're not doing Netflix anymore they said people love the Netflix thing let's stop let's bring let's bring foggy back let's bring Karen back let's just bring them back let's do what they want that was one of the biggest things they listened and they and they I think that's what makes me more helpful.

Yeah. And shout out to my brother on the hot mic, Jeff Snyder. He's the one that broke that story that Karen and Foggy were coming back to be a part of his newsletter there, broke that story. So, you know, yeah, I'm excited for it too overall. And I want to say this about echo. I saw some people going like, of course the men didn't like it. No, no, no, no. Listen, I'm my significant other is a Native American woman.

Okay, we watched it. The Native American stuff. What's it? Someone in this chat said that? Yeah, yeah, they're saying that. So I just want to address that. Come on. My lady outlaw is a Native American one.

She loved the Native American stuff. It wasn't the Native American stuff that's the issue. It's the logic in the show. How are you going to attack Kingpin from Oklahoma? It doesn't make sense. So those were the issues. I just say that every fucking time. It's like I loved Ms. Marvel.

I loved that show. There's a lot of different show. You can't just say that. There's a lot of stuff that I thought she was great in the world. She was great. I thought they didn't use her the right way. I thought that the stuff that they pitched inside of the show itself, inside of a trailer wasn't the show that they gave it had nothing to do with the fact that it was a

fucking woman cut it out just cut it out it was the it was the fact that the show for me and i and like i said i started it with there's a lot of great stuff going on yeah yeah yeah it's just the tone that they pitched inside of the trailer wasn't the show that i said oh they're going to do that maybe it is in four and five maybe it could be and i i haven't seen four and five so i can't act and say i'm saying what i've seen from one through three just seemed like an okay show didn't say it was bad said it was okay So, but just stop. Every single time, just stop. I'm not saying that it's not warranted for a lot of different times,

and I understand why people are going, because sometimes you get people who are just doing that, but also listen to words when people are talking about reasons why, when they have a breakdown of a criticism of a show, and you're like, oh, well, that's actually, that kind of makes sense as far as why. That's everybody, like for people who hate and people who are trying to protect, that's the problem, is you just throwing stuff out there,

but he's like, no, no, my side, my side. Listen to people who are in, the middle here just saying there's parts of the show that just aren't working yeah it's bad faith actors on both sides man both just like you said both sides they're invested in in protecting everything or invested in destroying everything and in the middle is where most people sit you know yeah um all right let's let's let's keep going here that was that was sorry we did that one okay now this is from crashing coyote i thought the joke was whatever it was just a distinction between people whose career is music and actors who happen to sing in a movie.

That's all. Yeah, I just don't think it was, maybe that was the case, but it just wasn't structured right. But Jack Black's career life is music. That's what you don't get. I mean, Tenacious Tenea was not something on a lark. They legitimately toured. They had albums, you know,

this isn't Belushi and the Blues Brothers. This was a legitimate band for a long, long time. Belich in the Bruce Boat, that was fun for them to do. Yeah. All right, let's see. The next one was, from Kenneth Colton, who says Robert Danny Jr. is coming for that Oscar. Dune Part 2 comes out in 45 days.

I love watching you guys live. Well, thank you for watching us. I think you're right. The Robert Dundi Jr. is. I was going over that this morning, dude. March is probably a bigger, like March is almost like the start of the summer season, even though April is not that stacked, but March. March is stacked.

You have Dune, Godzilla. and Ghostbusters. Yep. That's three, now that's because of the strike, obviously, that gets pushed, but like March is a big month.

And then May through July is just as stacked. But it's like, people thought because a lot of things moved out of 2020, or 2024 wasn't going to be that big. There's some big stuff coming out. We got a super chat from Matt DeRuca says, Christian, have you seen the outfits from Adam Webb? That's 30 days away.

What are your thoughts on the outfits for that? Are there outfits? I don't know. I didn't see any outfits. 30 days away. can't believe it's 30 days away i've heard no hype for this film at all 30 days away bro no but i do it's one of those movies though i bet you that the out of the theory reaction does very well because people are going to want to see if it's a shit bomb or if it actually is going to be pretty good i'm very curious

um all right roman for doric hey christian and john so awesome that you got to meet so many great actors rooting for r dj and divine in the supporting categories would be happy with killian or paul for lead actor same i mean i you're just echoing exactly the same man i i totally agree with you and i think that um there's there's a lot of great and i was talking to somebody about this last night i was shocked like because i gave coy some shit about he talked about like this was one of the best years in in movie history right and i said i don't know if if history is exactly the right or whatever he might have said in his word and he would he's not here to say exactly what he said but something to twitter and i i pushed back myself a little bit and where i was a little bit

more like, oh, come on, their movies are fine. There are some really good movies this year. Sure. It's really strong performances. Are they going to be, I mean, I think all timers, even though I don't love Barbie, I think it's an all timer for people that it'll be in the, in the zeitgeist for a very long time. People will be talking about Barbie forever, for sure. Oppenheimer is one of those movies.

Like, there are movies that just stand out and like, you know, like you go back to 1989. You can pick out like 50 of them that stand out today, feel the dreams, uh, Batman 89, you know, whatever they might be. There's tons of. But this one, there's probably, there's a few that will be like, like, I don't know how much saltburn will be talked about in five years. Yeah. You know what I mean? But like Barbie and Oppenheimer, they'll be talked about forever. It's a top heavy year. That's why. It's a top heavy year. You know, no disrespect to I don't agree, but it's a, it's a top heavy year more than anything else. Yeah. All right. Justin Medina. Have you guys watched Mike Flanagan's The Fall of the House of Usher, really overlooked show.

You know, it's funny is that Mary MacDonald, who actually ran into last night, and I talked to her for a bit because we had her on Katie Sackoff's podcast, which hasn't aired yet, but it'll air, it'll air soon. And she's one of the main characters. She was nominated for that show last night. So I haven't. Perry loves it. Talks about it. Like, love it. She was actually at the table with them last night.

Like, loves it. So I heard nothing but great things. Nothing but great things. I have not seen the show yet. Yeah. Have you seen it? No, it's, I mean, I think Flanagan's great. It's not really something I would dive into necessarily.

But shout out to your Sackoff podcast. Sam Whitwer one is it 174,000 views, man. 200. 200 now. Wow. It crushed. It crushed. So, yeah, that one did really well. We've got Dr. Kwan Stewart on Tuesday. Nice. Vet who is, it's a really, really good conversation.

This guy's, dude, this guy is such a good person. Like he basically works with, he, with, with homeless people's dogs. And he found out and he did a lot of it just, I mean, pro bono, you know, just help because it's. That's incredible. So it's a his, his story is pretty great. Um, so we're excited about that one. But yeah, we got some great guests. We have like Michael Rosenbaum. We got a Daniel Panabaker, um, Mingna Wen. Um, there's some great. There's some great guests coming on. That's great. Okay. Roman Fedora. Also, John, in complete agreement after a rewatch, Oppenheimer is my favorite movie. the year. Glad it's getting all the awards. Yeah. I'm glad

it's back in 4K for people to buy too. Yeah. Paul, how about this? No more jokes at award shows. I think it just depends. I think it just depends, like I said. I think that when you do, when you do it, you should have either comedian do it or you shouldn't throw it on people that just aren't ready to do it.

And I just don't understand the reasoning behind it. No one won't watch it. Yeah. Ralph. I love that. Do you remember where that Ralph comes from? Ralph Biscuits? No. Oh, yeah. Ralph, set up. Ralph, petition for Apes Trilogy, rewatch with Winston and Coy and Mad Max,

Rewatch with Roka. I'm talking about films other than Marvel DCU and Star Wars. Oh, yeah, look, me too. Look, the thing is that what is now changing in our business, and I'm sure you're noticing this too, John, is that more, because it was for the last five years, it was, it was became, I mean, look, we like talking about those movies of Star Wars and Marvel and all that stuff too, but like, it was the only thing that people were clicking on.

And the only thing, so you led with it because you're like, okay, we'll talk about it for like five or 10 minutes or 15 minutes. Then we'll talk about some other stuff. So because if you lead with a mad max, you lead with something else a lot of the times, people like, oh, I don't, I want to talk about the Marvel or the DC or the Star Wars thing. And then so now it's like, um,

it's changing a bit and people are getting tired of it. So you can still, and I'm still not gonna, I'm still gonna cover the Marvel and the Star Wars things, but I'll lead. I mean, like today we had a Marvel and we had a Punisher story we had this stuff but i was like no i want to leave with this harianna de bo's thing i don't know if he's going to watch it but it seems like almost 800 people in here watching this right because it's

like that's what i i like talking about that stuff i like talking about all of it but i don't want it to just be that because it doesn't represent this show right it doesn't represent all of what we want to talk about right um okay matt b if whoever wrote that joke truly believes jack black cannot sing really needs to check out tenacious d's cover of wicked game i it's yeah i don't i'm telling you the joke was who wrote that. I really don't. I wonder if it's like someone who's really old. You know what I mean? I wonder what it was like a really thing. Christian, why do the actors who read that have to pay the price? Why don't they reveal who the writer was of the joke? I mean, I think it's only fair because that's like, why is he taking all? Why are they taking all the crap? The writer should

take something like crap. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Simon section. As a fair fan of the late great George Carlin. I was wondering if you heard the AI stand up that I'm dead. His family are not friends. I did hear some of it. I couldn't listen to the whole thing. But the only thing that I give, like, credit to that thing is they start off by saying it's, it's an AI impression. People aren't ready for that yet, and they still don't know. It's, it's going to happen more and more and more and more.

But it's an impression, and they never try to pretend that they are George Carlin, and I understand why his family would be upset about it. And I'll say, that's not my dad's stuff. But it's the same way if somebody did, like, a voice, if I could do a spot-on George Carlin impression to where his voice and I did an hour of it I think it more so would be like well that that guy he got his cadence down but it's because it was a machine that people like what the fuck like it's weird so it's the game now man it's the game now which but I didn't listen to it did have it was creepy in the way that like the way it would structure jokes you could he sounded

significantly younger yeah um in it but like you could tell like there were the way that they structured, whoever actually wrote the whole thing. I don't know. A. I wrote the whole thing. I don't know. Or Will Saso helped with it? I don't know. But like, overall, it was creepy, but I didn't listen to the whole thing. Right. His daughter came out strong against it.

Right. Right. Right. Right. I understand. Yeah. The great Bobby Jackson. Hey. Pobby's probably rules. One of the nicest people I've ever met. Have you ever met Bobby in person? I think I've met Bobby in person. But I know having hosted way back when on the Collina on the show,

He was a really good guy. He's awesome. He comes to every freaking comedy show that we do. And he's always there. And he's just such like a nice, humble dude. I love Bobby. Bobby's great. And Bobby, forgive me if I forgot. I'm just old. Yeah, that's true.

That's why he needs a blue show. Hey, guys, loving this live show with the two of you. Not sure have you covered this, but I'm worried about a what-of Star Wars series because I don't know if I trust Lucas on to tell the best stories. Thanks for bringing that up. No, we didn't cover it. I've been championing a what-if series forever. They did a what,

if comic series back in the day. And it was done and it was, I saw people that were tweeting about it like, it's a terrible idea. No, you think it's a terrible idea because you're worried that you feel like the, a lot of the people who just hate are going to be, well,

they won because they're going to change the stories. It's not kind of something. And the other thing that is wrong. People go, well, visions is what if? No, it's not. Yeah. It's not a what it.

It's a different, it's a different stories of different characters and different universes. It's not a what if. What if is what if Anakin didn't turn bad? Right. And it's interesting. And it's like, I think a better tweet is, sorry, a what if series doesn't interest me. Right.

That's a better tweet. Now, it's a terrible idea or it's a bad idea or you shouldn't do it and no one wants to see it. That's not true. I do think that, again, we get into this place where I hate that movies and things have, the fan bases have become so political where you feel like the one side goes, we won if they make a what of series. and the other side goes, they won, this sucks. It's not that. It's, can you make a fun series out of it? And don't watch it if you don't want to watch it.

That's the main thing. It's like, I think that it is interesting. I thought the comics were fantastic. And I really look forward to it. I hope it's good. How do you feel about it? Yeah, I love it. You know, I tweeted about it saying,

oh, yeah, like people aren't going to be upset about this. But I think it's great to see it. And I would love to see, like, what if Palpatine? Oh, sorry, now, what if Quigon had lived, right? What was the big thing that? Remember that monologue, Faloni did a year or two ago talking about how Annecadne might have turned out differently if Quigon had lived and why everything is tied to Quigon's death of why it becomes Vader. It's a beautiful fucking monologue.

So if you've got people involved with story with, and Bobby, I get that you might have some trepidation and concern, but there are a lot of great writers involved with Star Wars. I mean, we've been enjoying Mandalorian. We've been enjoying Andor, I've been enjoying certain episodes of Boebo, Feta Canobi. So why not have some of those writers come in and tackle some of these questions? Right. What if the battle had had not happened on Endor, but on the chic, and it was the wookies. We could try to see that.

Right. I think there could be a lot of fun things. So I didn't understand. I honestly, I didn't understand the pushback against having it. I can understand someone saying, that doesn't work for me. I didn't love the what if Marvel stuff,

but to say it's a bad idea or you don't know, you haven't seen it yet. How do you know it's a bad idea? You haven't seen what they've done with it yet. It could be really good. But Bobby Jackson. Also, do you think George Lucas has a clause in his contract when he sold Lucas on the Disney that they can't fire Kathleen Kennedy that you have to retire on her own?

No. I don't think that they would allow him to do that because, you know, maybe, you know, like you said, if they have special circumstances in there where, yeah, they can't, you can't ask, you can't ask a business to do that. You have to keep her on to run the company as long as it's like, well, I don't know, maybe she makes, because he's not, he's a businessman, too. she makes decisions he's like that's not my i'll put her in there that's who that's who i that's my successor and see you later why he's he's not involved with that stuff yeah and i don't like her

so she's not going anywhere you all yeah no um okay the raven effect hey christian john i feel like i'm the only one who doesn't want another alien movie after alien and aliens every movie has disappointed me how do you feel about romulus um i actually think it's a good idea i i think that you can do i understand as an alien fan where you like just don't beat it into the ground. There are a lot of people, right, who think I never want to see a Terminator series ever again because I can't get it right. I am a massive Terminator 1 fan. I love Terminator 2, but Terminator 1 to me is one of my favorite movies of all time. I think it is the best of the franchise. And I want my hope for Terminator movies that they go back to that small scale feel

of like a horror thriller film and make that. Like what John was talking about before with like Alex Ager or something like a like a Blumhouse. type Terminator film. That's what I want to see. And I want to see them do that with Alien. I want to see them go small scale with it and just tell a scary story. So I think that it has enough in there to try to warrant to get to that. But I understand when you beat it down enough, you're like, oh, I don't know if I care anymore.

Prey is the one that everyone's right. I was done with the Predator. I never wanted to see another Predator movie. I've done that, Shane Black Debacle. Yeah. And then Prey came in and you were like, whoa. So if this is the approach, this is the way to go, then I would be absolutely down with that. You got to honor that first film.

You got to honor the energy of that first film. And I think that's the approach to it. You'll scale it back down. Yeah, I totally agree. All right, I'm going. So some of these things are like, oh, I want to say thank you to Danny Banks. Thank you. Just put in a really nice super chat.

Thank you, Danny. That was very kind of. Okay, the next one here. Ralph, a Nolan IMAX Western or a Nolan IMAX Horror Western? Western. If I'm going to, I mean, yeah, if I'm going to take one of those, I would say, yeah, Western for both of us. I don't think you all. Yeah. Pete the Anderson, new film with Leo and Sean Penn. Is that, that just going to announce? Yep, confirmed. And Regina Hall, all three of them being a part of it. Yeah, Jeff, Jeff broke that last year, and now it's getting picked up and officially confirmed.

Ralph is Jesse Plemons, the new Philip Seymar Hoffman. That's a good one. That's a good comparison. Unbelievably talented. He was there last night, by the way. He's fit, he's fit, real fit. Yeah. Yeah, he lost a lot of weight. Scorsese cast him back to, cast him back to back. Favorite Hoffman performance, the master for me. He's great in the master, and there's something that I love him in subtle roles, like almost famous. I love him in boogie nights. Yeah. So, yeah, there's a lot of other ones, too, I'm sure.

His last one was great. And before he died, the one of the spy thriller one, most wanted man, I think it was called. But like his villain is still the best villain in the Mission Impossible series. Yeah, JJ, I did a good job with that one, too. Yes, he did. I like it. I really did.

He was damn good at that. I agree. Ronan Unchained. Hey, Christian and John. The hot mic. Sith Council capes kicks ass. Can't wait for Mandalorian and Grogu Film as long as it's simple and budgeted well. From your lips to God's years.

Hope you both go to celebration next year. I don't think I'll be taking the trip to Japan as much as I would love to. Are you? I don't know. I'm still on the fence about it to be on because I missed the London one. I couldn't get out there and I paid for the ticket. So I just had to eat the ticket. But like I want to go to Tokyo.

So it would all depend on finances. It all depends on finances. Yeah, I understand. I understand. All right, we keep going here. And let's see. I want to make sure that I got everybody else. I hope I didn't streamers doing some weird things with the way that they're spacing these outside.

I'll make sure I got everybody's. There's some more because I know. Let me, I'm trying to go down. And again, we're still going through all them right now, too, guys. So like I said, we'll be here for as long as you guys want. Ronetta W.

Happy I'm okay. Holiday fellows to you as well. I'm so glad that you guys do these shows live. Love it. i watched american fiction this past weekend is phenomenal so good every actor is great in their role sterling k brown was hilarious he was i told him as much last night when i met him um but yeah he was really good that that movie was a very special that was a very special movie i i loved i really was happy with that movie when i saw it i was i was laughing throughout the whole entire team at the time

i had i had a tear in my eye it was like i was just it felt good about it was it was a it was a very real story you know what i liked about it yeah it was a great commentary on certain things but it was a it was the human interest story that really got you and following his journey with his family. And there are so many things you can connect to from your own family, your own experiences that you can see play out and how he deals with his family. I think that's the that's the big reason why I think it's such a great movie. Brianna Pink? On replay right now, have you seen Society of Snow?

I have not. Did you see it? This is on my radar for this week. This is the last 2023 movie I need to see it to finally do my list. But everyone says it's great. I haven't seen it. Okay. Here's the next one. Chris Koss, do you think we'll get Tales of the Jedi episodes focusing on various adventures of Luke Han and Leah?

Would you want to see that? Look, it's the same thing I said before about the what if series. I want to see good Star Wars stories. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I want to, I didn't think Andor, I didn't think Andrew needed a series. And I'm so glad that it did. It's one of the best things written since Empire Strengths Back.

So if you get, I'm not one of the people that's going to go, oh, I don't want to do Darth Vader movie. The whole movie was the, the first, the beginning. of the prequels were the the the Darth Vader. No, it was like the origin of how he became Darth Vader. It wasn't the actual Darth Vader story. So there are more stories to tell there. If you have, however, if they do it and it seems like repetitive and it's the same thing, if you make repetitive stuff and it doesn't work, then no, I don't want to see it. But if it works and there's new stories to tell, then I want to see all of it. Yeah. I don't, I just don't succumb to this idea of like the whole, well, no, it would be terrible. I don't want to do that.

It would be terrible and it's a bad idea. How do you know? You see it first. People live too much in the future fear. Yeah. And I'll tell us the Jedi. Actually, I'll say this. And I know you didn't ask me, but I would say the person asking the question, but I would say I don't know if I'd want to see a Luke Han and Leah thing on Tales of Jedi

because I like the Tales of Jedi focuses on some of the lesser known characters in terms of Duku. I love that it did not. We got more with Assook, which was great. But the Duku stuff was fantastic. It was great. I'd like that to do more of that with Tales of the Jedi. Me too, but look, but it's the same thing, though, John. You could say you could say that, but then they could incorporate that with a different character inside of those two.

Luke and Leah and you'd like, oh yeah, good point. Back than that. So it's like, that's why I always hesitate to go, no, don't because I don't know yet. I don't know what the approach is. I could watch it afterwards and go. Yeah. Let me shouldn't do that. That didn't work out.

But yeah. And I can choose like you for that. I can choose not to be excited about that particular episode and go, oh, I don't know. And then I can come out going, that was great. Or yeah, there's a lot. of people who, again, just dig their hills in the ground and, like, say, I won't like this. And then they don't like it. And they won't turn and say, well, I was wrong. And I, I try to, I try to make that a badge of honor for myself is that I will go into a movie if I think it's going to stink. And I said

so many times that it's going to stink. And if I love it, I will say it. I will not, you know, I'm not going to be like, what? That was going to suck. So now I have to say it sucks. I just, I won't, I won't do that. I agree with you, man. Yeah. The Raven effect. Hey, Christian, John. I feel like I'm the only one who, oh, wait, we said we did. Sorry. Yeah, so again, stream yards doing this weird thing. Chris, Koss, what was your favorite memory of working for Susan Downey?

Her trust in me when I brought her the Wonder Woman script. I brought her the Wonder Woman. There was a, Josh Whedon had a Wonder Woman script that was with them forever, and it was not good. It was not a good script. It was very cheesy. It was not good. Because Silver Pictures and Warner Brothers had Wonder Woman that they were going to do. they were going to do and this was in 2006 2007 so my friends matth matthew jennyson and brent strickland

wrote a wrote a wonder woman spec and i knew them from village road show and my friend matt jennyson say we just read this and i read it and it was a period piece and it was awesome and i took it to susan and i took it to susan and she trusted me and she read it she this is really good she took it to warner brothers and wonder brothers bought it and and i got jennison and strickland and shirk their agents and their managers through that they were sorry I think Joel silver dropped the ball on it he said nobody wants to see peer at peace wonder woman wrong and and to her credit she she she wanted to keep it the way that it was so she was she was on my side for that she was on my side for the he man stuff she was when I got

screwed by that guy that basically ripped me off um she was going to offer to to bump me up as a in our promotion but there's other things that she was she was great to me i have so i have a lot of found memories of working for susan she was really she was really great to me um mummerap so only you showed the logo for the new machio film why call it karate kid again why no subtitle like karate kid kickbacks or even karate kids i think because i think because it's it's just a recognizable ip and they want to get people out there to see it yeah yeah um all right what's that Grotie kid kicks back. No,

kicks back. It's hilarious. That's what Jason's name. Very, very kind. Oh. Super chat here from Sandy Martin. As my Master's Universe can, did you ever read the 2012 D.C. run?

I never read the 2020-12 D.C. run. No, is it pretty good? I hope it is. I would love to read it. Thank you for that. I would love to tell me more about it. Tell me more about that. I'd love to, I mean, to me,

the 2002 Cartoon Network series is still the best iteration we've ever seen in a human. Yeah. Zuki 86. Have you seen Ted on Peacock? It's hilarious. Definitely R-rated humor and they go there with the jokes. So I started watching it with Vivian. Oh, wow. We started watching Vivian and she's like, I don't know, dad, there's a lot of F bombs in this one. And I'm a little uncomfortable. I'm like, yeah, let's change it. She started laughing at first when she first saw it. She just wanted to hear that, but it was, it was getting there was some, there was some kind of inappropriate things that I was like, yeah, let's, let's turn this off. But I probably will go back and watch it though. I don't know that your wife would ever approve this, but there is a new show you could put on this channel that is just Vivian talking,

giving her reviews. I wouldn't approve that. You wouldn't approve that. No, I don't want her on. I don't want to. I mean, we just talked about just such a great personality, man. It has nothing to do with it. Okay.

The internet sucks. I don't want that. When it's her choice, when she can do it on her own, she wants to do it when she's older, fine, If I didn't have to be on social media, I wouldn't be. I hate it.

And I think it's the downfall of society, terrible to each other, terrible to people. We're so like just immune to the, you know, the idea that words on Twitter can fucking damage somebody so significantly. And we just want to tear each other down all the time. It's just such a bummer. And I don't want my 12-year-old to deal with that. That's fair. But I do want to say that I feel like it's starting to turn. And I may be crazy, but it feels like more and more people are pushing back and having the guts to push back on the negative stuff, on the people who grift off the negative stuff.

And they're pushing back. And I've seen this everywhere, not just on social media, but in our political sphere and our movies sphere. I'm seeing people pushing back going, no, we want to enjoy stuff. We want to see if it's good or not for ourselves. We want to kind of. So I'm seeing that. And I don't know, maybe I'm crazy or misreading it. but I sense that might be changing.

And I hope it is down the road because I agree with you. Because social media used to be a great place to get information, connect with people, do all this kind of stuff. It's other people who kind of twisted it to market it for themselves. And I think that needs to change. And I sense that's starting to change. And people within those things or communities are moving away from that stuff and wanting to be more, wanting to have more middle ground type stuff.

So I hope that's what's happening. You're right. You're crazy. All right. So let's go around with me. So Carlton Rudder, just finished. on Apple TV, Fantastic Series. Final characters first, then Monster's Second.

Have you seen it? You guys rocked. I started it, and I like it. I think I'm like two episodes in. It's one of the series I'm going to get into it. I'm just so, I've been watching Jack Racher right now. That's the show that I've been watching season one.

So when I finish season one, I'm going to finish. I saw someone tweet that to me. I haven't covered Monarch. I haven't seen two episodes. Yeah. So have you? I'm six episodes in.

I'm going to finish it off in the next couple of days. All right. Yeah. Keith Forsy, love you guys. Keep killing it. John, I sent you something via Twitter.

DM in late December. And can't wait for June part two. There you go. Oh, thank you. Well, Dune part two, man. I can't wait. That's, yeah, that's my number one. I got to, I still haven't done my most anticipated video yet.

Yeah, man. Have you done yours? No. It's January. We've been trying to do it for three episodes of the hot mics. We can't get to it. I can't get to it. So, there's a lot of stuff.

Yeah. Was I seat filling? No, I wasn't. Someone asked me if I was seat. I was. How fucking dare you? How fucking dare you? Now I was in sea filling.

I'm a member of the fucking critics' choice. Fucking sea filling. Fucker. I'm hilarious. Chris, I know. No, no,

please. Hey, bring that fucking idiot in. Alan Smithy. Christian, do you think the alien visitors can control people's minds or consciousness? That's a scary reality we're being shielding from. Roka, what's scary? Are mind control aliens or AI uprising?

What's the difference? I'll answer to start about it. Look, there's a lot more to be talked about on Tuesdays about this, but there's a lot. I mean, theories and other things too. I think what I will say is this. I think that because of the stuff that the briefing that they got, those congresspeople were still insane that the mainstream media is so bought and paid for. It's fucking crazy. Um, but the, um, we are going to get another hearing soon. I think for sure. Yeah. Um, but as far as what do you, what's scary, AI or aliens being able to control you by your mind? Both things are bad.

So I think it's equally terrible. I don't want to be mind controlled by anything, either on this earth or outside of this earth and AI uprising. I think that's all in the way. You've been scared about that for a long time. Yeah, I have because it's coming. And I've told people it's coming. And when they laughed at me, they didn't understand it.

And now it's here. Now you're fucked. We'll be dead before you know. All right. Disappointed that the book of Clarence flopped. I thought that the movie was going to be the next life of Brian with the black cast, but it felt short of expectations. I just didn't, I heard it was kind of all overplace in tone.

I didn't see it. Did you see it, John? I haven't seen it yet. I'm going this week at the Angelica here. But yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean, these kinds of comedies sometimes don't hit, no matter who's making them, these kinds of comedies don't always hit.

And is there an, it's hard to find an audience for this kind of comedy. I bet it'll find new life on streaming. Once it gets onto a streaming platform, people will discover it. Like they clone Tyrone. That wouldn't have survived in the box office, but I think it did great on,

on Netflix and stuff. So, yeah. Okay, Sandy Martin, the 2012 run was amazingly, essentially, Eternity War was the season three of 2002 series that we never got, how Andorra was brought in was amazing. Okay, I'll check that out, man. Oh, sweet. I didn't bring your thing up, sorry.

In 2012, this is from Sandy Martin again. I need to, yeah, I need to check that out, Sandy. Thank you. That's awesome. That's good to know. I've got to make a note of that. Chris Koss, and aside from Superman Legacy, which I'm hyped for, which other DCU projects that James Gun has announced,

are you excited for. For me, it's Supergirl film and the Batman Brave of the Bold. I'm curious about the Brave and the Bold. I think that Jensen Eccles if they get them will be a great, great Batman. Not sure. What do you think about the Supergirl casting? Like Millie Alcock, Macdonnelly? I have my, I have a bias

and that I really want Isabelle May from 1883. And she's not even in the conversation. So until she's a, give me the three that came up. It's Millie Alcock. Yeah.

Amelia Jones from Cota and Meg Donnelly. And obviously, Emily Alcock from House of the Dragon. Meg Donnelly, though, did that vampire show, I Vampire, whatever. And then I think that's right. And then she voiced Supergirl for recent. Meg Donnell. What was the girl from Coda? What's your name again?

Amelia Jones. I think, let me see something. I think Meg Donnelly, out of the three of them, would be my chance, even though I love all three of them as actresses. Yeah. I think that's it. Is that, oh, no, there's another one. Okay.

So David Ebakeme, how about Takashi, Takashi Yamazaki for to direct Akira? About time, WV, do something with that. Yeah, for sure. But I think, I'm telling you, I think he's going to be announced to do Star Wars, but whether or not that comes through, who they all knows. Bro, I would 100% be down with him to do a live action. Because I never trusted the Taika thing.

I never wanted Taika anywhere near that. So the fact that they might, if that's a possibility, in anyone's mind, I would love to make that happen. I want to see that live action. And getting it from a Japanese director, I think, makes all the sense of the world with a story like that. Totally. Oh, last one. I don't know.

Love you guys. Sincere were Pedro as Reed and Kirby as Sue. Sincere were, I don't know what the... Love you guys. I think... I'm saying, since we're hearing... Since we're hearing, okay. Who would you be ideal, doom?

That age gap is something. I would like to see Henry Cavill. That's my guy that I think would be Doom. That's my favorite choice for it. I love Killian Murphy, but I think it's a terrible choice. Terrible choice. And I hate the Mads-Mickleson rumor.

I hate it. I hate it. I love Mads-Mickleson. I think he's great. He was in Dr. Strange. He's in the MCU. We'd be behind a mask. I don't care.

Eventually, you can't see his face. I hate that, that rumor. So, yeah, my choice is, Henry Cavill. What about Gosling? Are you out on that, too? There's been rumors about that. No, I like, I like the Gosling.

Okay. I think, I think that because you have a smaller cast, even though Pedro's kind of getting up there more so in Star Power, I still think you need a big, I think you need a big name for Doom. I agree, especially if you're going to make Doom someone, you're going to stretch over multiple films. Yeah. And the other thing is, for what was being reported, they're pushing,

Jeff reported this, they're pushing the shooting of this to possibly quarter three now because of Pedro's commitments. So that could affect who they could get to play Dr. Doom. So I think any of the names have been floated so far, there's probably conversations and negotiations, but if they change shooting schedules, that may be a reset where they look at new people. So I don't think we've heard it yet.

I don't think we know yet for sure who's going to be doing. All right, look, that's it, guys. We did it. We did it. We got through everything. You guys, thank you so much for everybody who put in the Super Chats today. Thank you very, very much. fucking job. John, we're out of here.

Where can they find you today? What are you doing? You got any shows going on today? At the Roka says on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, The Outlaw Nation on Twitch. I will try to get out something today.

I want to do with like a beekeeper spoiler review. So we'll see, but two playoff games don't expect anything. But tomorrow, definitely there'll be content on the channel. And we'll be going live at 6pm PT on the Game Time channel, which is the sports channel I have with me, Wednesday,

Marshall. But if you want to watch the Hot Mike, you want to watch GeekBus, Jedi Way, all the stuff we got going on there on the Outlaw Nation channel and head on over there. YouTube.com slash John Roka says. Thanks, Christian. Always fun to do this with you every Monday, brother. Yes, it's really fun to have you as well. Thank you guys for joining us here today. As I mentioned earlier, if you are able to and you have the means, please consider one of our wonderful sponsors here today. It helps out the show more than you could possibly imagine. Apple podcast, Spotify. We got our Patreon.

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