The Kristian Harloff Show - Was The Flash overhyped?! SPOILER Discussion!

Episode Date: June 20, 2023

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It's all about The Flash. So if you haven't seen the movie yet, you know, you don't care about spoilers. Well, then do what you will. However, if you're like, hey, you guys are talking spoilers. Yeah, that's why it's called the Flash Spoiler Discussion. So, but those who are excited to be here because you want to talk spoilers with us, welcome. Thanks for being here.

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Check it out. Come join us. So The Flash, it's me, it's Coy, and it's Winston, and we're here talking about all things in the latest of the DCEU, really, and the kind of the wrap-up that it was of the DCEU, because that's our first spoiler. I think it was a big wrap-up of what Snyder put down there. Not to say that we'll never see any of these characters again, but the big question was,

were we going to see the end of this thing? How were they going to do it? I thought that they did it fairly well, so we'll talk to the guys and see if they agree, disagree. So let's get right into it, man. Let's talk flash spoilers. It's a big thing, capes and cows. Let's do it.

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the big thing, capes and cows. It's myself. Winston-A. Marshall. Corey John Joe. What's up, guys? Nice to have you back. I haven't seen you since we stopped recording on the last episode.

Yep, 30 seconds. So we got this spoiler. I've been waiting to talk to you guys about this for a bit because we've talked about it kind of off-air. But now to really talk about it and get into it, I want to actually start with the post-credit scenes. Yeah. Because I think that that's the main question.

A lot of people are wondering, like, how the hell are they going to do this? because when I saw this movie for CinemaCon, it was, I would say, radically different because the two post-credit scenes that we saw were not there. And I think they obviously did that on purpose. I think it was a smart move. They didn't want it to leak and all that.

But so what happens in this movie at the very end of it, after the flash and after Barry's gone through all this stuff, he shows up, you know, he's coming out of the courtroom. And I love that they stuck to the rules of everything that they had set up. He moves a can. and he does that same spaghetti thing that Michael Keaton told him about

but it's just, it's not as impactful as it was, but it's not his universe. So he wants to stay there. He wants to stay there because his dad is innocent. So he decides this time, I ain't leaving and Clooney shows up. And what it also set up for us,

I thought I told Winston this. I thought that they were going to, maybe they did, I don't know, but in the movie theater, they're going to start putting out like the Patinson version because I heard there's a Patenton version. There's a Michael Keaton, version. There could be other versions, I don't know, because he tells Arthur that in the Aquaman thing.

He tells me, everywhere I go, all the Batman, they're different Batman. He goes, you're the same in everyone. So that means that that Aquaman movie that's coming out in December is an Elseworld's movie now, because he might still know Barry, but that's a different, that's not going to play into the ones that we do. But I think the other thing that they could make that, I think the other thing, because you said this when we got out of the theater, that also could mean that that Aquaman could not be an else worlds and could be a part of the DCU because he's the same everywhere. If he is the same everywhere, then that technically could apply to whatever universe that you wanted to put it in. But I think that that was a smart way we kept talking about its flashpoint.

Because it's flashpoint, that means that you could completely reset whatever you wanted. By setting it up to the point of him being now in this world with the Clooney, Batman and everything else, you have kind of officially set up. Okay, cool. That's the end of this universe's storyline here. This is where this Barry lives now. Yeah. And so if you do want to revisit it or Clooney for whatever.

Because the funny thing is, I would even hate Clooney playing Batman. Give him another shot. You just, we're just going to give him another opportunity. It's not, I mean, the late great Joel Schumacher is not, and I don't even blame that movie. No, studios. Yeah, it was a studio. So Clooney coming back is one thing. But to go off what Winston said, also, on the flip side,

to that it allows him to potentially play it in the DCU. It also allows the opportunity to him to play Lobo if he wanted to because, but it could contradict a little bit what Barry says because Barry says that in every other universe, you're the same. Yeah. Except the DCU, where your lobo. Where your lobo for some reason, somehow. But he could also be both in that regard.

And on top of that, Lobo being the ghostly white, you know, like essentially other cosmic being, there's no way they couldn't just put enough makeup on him that, like, yes, we know that that is... We know, yeah. But, like, he looks drastically different than what he looks like as far as, you know... Yeah, but either way, though,

I thought they did a good job of kind of... They answered that question to me. Yeah. Like, it made more sense, like, oh, he's trapped in a different... Yeah. So even if they just... If the movie, if the Flash doesn't do what they want it to do and they decide,

we're not going to make any more, he's trapped in a different elseworld and so be it... He's with his dad, that's something. We close the loop. And they explain the Aquaman. However, if it does really well, they want to do a sequel,

they can, they can make it elseworld's movies now and they can do it with Aquaman and if Aquaman 2 does really well they can make an elsewhere movie if it bombs then that's the end of it. It's a kick in a two situation with all of it. You can really incorporate it. And that's how like with Blue Beetle

going to be the first DCU character you really have a lot to play with going forward. It's kind of a clean slate and they did use Flashpoint like we all wanted them to to make that clean slate. I really liked the George Clooney take because it was like one line of dialogue was poking fun at George Clooney

and I really like that it was like he's always apologized for Batman. and now he's got to do it publicly. Like I've always heard legend. He'll give you like $20 for your movie ticket back. And now he's like, the one line he got at him was like, you're not fucking Batman. And like then he's acknowledging that.

I love that. That was the only thing though that I'll say, Gardens of the Galaxy, they announced that they were going to do like a, or they announced, but there was reports that they were going to drop an F bomb. Yeah. And it worked brilliantly.

It worked so well. This was unnecessary. Oh, I loved it. But it wasn't, it was unnecessary. It worked, but there was no reason. Like the frustration of Peter Quill

inside of that particular scene when it happens, you know, you're like, it was brilliant. But that's also because apparently he improvised that. That wasn't, they, they had the moment of them not getting the door.

They, they just improvised it longer. And then he eventually broke it. Yeah. Would you open the fucking door? Yeah. And then, and that by itself, they were like, all right, keep it. It worked. That's our one. Right, right. But it worked. It was organic and it worked. This, this one, it,

I thought you needed it in that guardians. I thought it worked. I thought it worked. I think it pushed forward exactly the frustration. This was unnecessary. But it was great scene, though. I liked, because remember, when I saw it for the second time, I'm like, I think actually, because I had heard, so again, I had heard that Patinson from, from one person said, I saw this two weeks ago, it was Patinson. And then when I went for a Cinemicon, it was no one. Like, they cut it right before, so you can see anybody. Then I heard it was Keaton. Yeah. And then I'm like, so who we get, so I was expecting either Patinson or, Or Keaton.

So when I got Clooney, I was like, oh, because, you know, those reports were out there as well. Yeah. See, I didn't hear that. The only thing that I heard and I wasn't, and I'm grateful that I have the memory of a goldfish. Because was the, was the cage stuff that Nicholas Cage is like, right. Oh, you forgot. You saw it on Instagram post. Sort of.

You guys had been talking about it in shadows. And I was like, oh, God, I hope I don't see. And then I randomly was like, wait, what? And then it was right out of my mind by the time I got to the movie. Oh, that's great. Oh, right. Nigelous Cage. But we had an interesting conversation at the theater, too, about why some of the stuff was left out.

If we're seeing all these other worlds, I understand you don't have all the time in the world. Oh, yeah. But, like, how we got. I debunked your theory, though, fast. Yes, because of the, because of the team. Say it first. So originally I had said because you didn't have Brandon Roth. You didn't have Grant Guston.

You didn't have any of these other, like, TV, D.C. like major elements. You didn't have Smallville. Right. Any of that. So my thought process was, oh, they were just trying to maybe keep it to just DC in films at that particular moment. And because Roth was in crisis on Infinite Earths and played Superman in it,

they probably just left him out because of like you've kind of branched off into the TV side of things and whatnot and that was your chance to be Superman again and all that kind of stuff. And then Christian goes, yeah, but what about the other Reeves, the Superman? George Reeves. Well, they had George Reeves. They had Adam West.

But Adam had a movie. So that's what that's why... Kind of. It was a movie. Batman 66 was... Okay, so George Reeves. And then also the other one was the original Flash. Jay Garrick.

Yeah. He's running around. So it's an equal makes the TV and film pretty much. It is. Yeah. And a conceptual film. But no, because when Winston first said it was, oh, yeah. I was like, oh, no, because of those two.

But like, but that was the thing that we talked about briefly on Friday. where we can dive into a little bit. There's a lot we're going to talk about in this movie that we all really, really liked, right? The thing that I liked the least, some of the CGI was like Scorpion King Bad, like Scorpion King Bad, like really, really bad. As much as I wanted to love all those reveals,

like it was cool to see Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater. That was awesome, but it looked like, it looked bad. The Nicholas Cage stuff was awesome to see, looked terrible. Yeah, a lot of the CGI was like 90s, early 2000s level. I was very forgiving of that CGI. Anything

in the speed force, and technically it felt like we were watching that through the speed force, I was very forgiving. The parts that I wasn't as forgiving, it was a funny scene, but it just, to have the CGI do that which one sucked was the opening hospital scene. Oh, with the babies and stuff?

I thought that that was hysterical, and I'm here for that scene. Yeah. But the CGI being so cartoonish took me out of it. I'm with you. I'm with you. Because that scene was awesome. So funny. The scene was awesome. And the way that they played it.

Yeah. Put the baby into Michael. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The acid and he shouts it all up. He's eating and he goes after the food first and then to get himself energy. That scene was fantastic. And directed masterfully.

It's agreed. But the CGI was the worst part of it. And then they had to hold on it because of the style of it. Because of the speed force, it was all slow-mo. So the CGI became worse because you're holding on it. And then the credit scene

was with the dog that was also rough CGI because you're holding on it. And so it was really hard because I love Mochietti's directing in this. I think he did a really good job playing with the Burton, playing with the Snyder, playing with his own style

because it felt like a, and I said this from the trailer, felt like an artist's like jam page where it's like one artist doing this and this and this. And he was able to capture the Burton, but then his flash felt like his directing. Like Mochietti put his flavor on it to the point where I'm excited for his Batman.

If that happens. I think it will. So when and if that happens, I've now seen what he can do with different director style incorporating his own. I hope whatever caused the CGI, more time, more money, whatever it needs to be, because it did distract from his directing when I wasn't consciously going, okay, remember, that's a different artist. That's a different style. That's a different thing. His framing genius, the directing was working for everything except what was in the frame of ones and zeros. Exactly.

And the only way that you could have potentially gotten away with that, if maybe it's like we don't maybe necessarily have the tech to make sure. that for all of these scenes or the money to do all that, then make it every time that Barry is using his powers. If that's how he sees the world, if the speed force is essentially cartoon forcing what he sees, then you've given me a reason. Otherwise, it's just this blaring like you're trying to do something awesome and it's getting hamstrung.

Yeah, it clearly was not. With the budget, how? Yeah, but it clearly, well, because the problem was the reshoots. There are a lot of reshoots, man. There was a lot of reshoots with the Henry Cavill, all. Moushietti has talked about how this was supposed to lead into what's a crisis on... Infinite Earth. For the DCU.

So they had to change everything once the Safran and Gun came in about. But this is very similar to the same conversation I had about Indiana Jones, right? And I wonder, I'm going to say something that I'm, that VFX artists and people who are watching this who know this business, I'm coming at this is a very naive question. but I wonder how much more expensive is it to do like a deep fake of Christopher Reeve and Helen Slater than it is to do that whatever the hell that was, the aging and the,

why the hesitancy? Because it's clearly, you look at that channel Shamook who got hired by Lucasfilm and he made his career and got hired by Lucasfilm because he changed the face of Mark Hamill in what they did in the de-aging side of it and whatever this is that they used for this scene. and he put the deep fake on it

and it looks significantly better so I wonder like is it more expensive is it harder to do it and the answer very well might be yes but I think it's also time if I know deep fake I don't know deep fake that well but I know

there's some guys that can do it like that well the actual computer processing time because it has to learn it and relearn it and relearn it so it might have been just a matter of like this movie's coming out in a month because of all the reshoots I don't know how much time they had for that last scene to rendering I know I'd love to have that conversation now fascinating

because I have all the respect to the world for visual effects artists because they don't get the love for the stuff we don't notice. No, no, for sure. And it's like, and how much time that you probably talk to VFX artists and they're probably like, dude, we had no time to do that. It's the same way where I used to. I'm a lot more forgiving now of like, and I actually, strangely enough, I've really grown to like the Rogue One score.

And I used to talk about how much I was a massive, I was not a fan of it. And Michael Jachino had two weeks to do that score. Holy. because the plot was supposed to do it or something between two or three weeks, something crazy that he came up with this. He's a musical genius. Truly.

But you look at it, and even the judging of that, you're like, the guy had to get into and come up with everything like that. And maybe that's the same with how much they had to come up with certain things, the baby effects and all that. I'm less forgiving of that for The Flash reshoots or nah because this movie has been supposed to have come out for like five, six years. And so even with said reshoots and even with everything.

But they didn't shoot a five or six years ago. No, no, no. I understand that. But they have had you. I don't know how much of that footage has lasted since then and how much it's changed over time. You're not wrong. Because remember, we saw this thing in fandom was the first trailer and that was like two or three years, three years ago. So they shot a ton of this.

And also knowing that, knowing that this is supposed to, like, Warner Brothers put all their eggs in this one basket. Like there's there is so much here that this was supposed to be like the most beautiful sendoff the beginning. This is their Super Bowl. This is their Oscars. This is the moment to like really linchpin stuff. It is hard to be forgiving of something that like you've already moved. God knows how many times. Why wouldn't you get it perfect.

Yeah, I get it. Maybe and I guess that kind of brings us into our next point of maybe they're just really confident on the story. because that's one of my biggest, I think, positives. I love the story of this one. I like how they played it. And like we said on this show, many times over now, I want to address this, I should have dressed it up top and addressing it now.

If you were not able to see this movie because of the Ezra Miller situation, if you still have very strong opinions on Ezra Miller, and couldn't get past it and all that understood. But the reason why we're not really going to dive into that here is because we're talking about the movie itself. And we're going to talk about the things inside of the story, not the individuals that are associated with it. If you didn't see it, you didn't want to see it because of that. I think that is your prerogative and I think that is your right. Anybody in general.

But we're talking about the movie itself and we're talking about all the performances, Ezra Miller included. So we wanted to make you aware of that. So I can't support this person and this. totally fair, but we're not going into that. That's not what this show is about. We've talked about it numerous amount of times. To be completely honest, I want to stop talking about it.

We've talked about it a lot. If there's more information that comes out down the line and we find it, of course, but right now, we're going to focus on the movie. And that being said, Ezra Miller's really good in this movie. Really good because both Barry's, Barry was

like, I don't like this take on Barry. They're kind of like really eccentric and really like I always remember and correct me if I'm wrong I always remember him being a little bit more I don't know he seems a little bit more

the Grant Gustafin. Greg Guston, yeah. Great Guston. What did I say, Grant Gustafin. So I don't, but I've seen the episodes enough to where I'm like this always felt like the kind of version of Flash that I envision, right? Does that wrong where I'm-

No, Grant Guston's like more of the comic Golden Age, more of that like hero, square jaw, does what's right. But I felt like Zach Snyder wanted a mix of Wally West and Barry Allen. And then what he got was almost impulse, which is another flash. And it's very like eccentric and big and bold and kind of like a twitchy. And I thought it was really interesting that it almost felt like a commentary on that character by having the hero's journey happened simultaneously at once.

And it's basically like the youngian experience of maturation and walkabout simultaneously between the one we've matured into, the older Barry. looking at his younger self, being annoying, and having to mature the younger one by way of him being better, but that also matures the older one. And I thought having a simultaneous, like, dual arc was masterfully played. And the acting in doing that, I can't even imagine acting opposite or his health, maturing twice, and being a commentary on the youthful exuberance that had to be grown out of. So this is what Ezra Miller did really well. The 18-year-old was played as if it's an 18-year-old.

Yeah. As opposed to what we saw in Shazam. Where is it? You're a 17-year-old and you're playing a 10-year-old. Yeah. I believed because that 18-year-old was supposed to be annoying and like the annoying laugh that he was doing and everything too. I'm going, oh, this is going to get annoying.

And I went, no, it's kind of fitting. It's pretty fitting. And that's what I was confused. Because you kept saying that over and before we had seen it and you saw it, you were like, there's stuff that Ezra's doing. I don't love the 18-year-old version. Well, no, no, no. What I said was, in the beginning, as I'm watching,

I was like, this is going to get annoying fast, but then I'm like, no, it's what you just said. It's the progression. The understanding of this is how Barry would have been at that age had his mom not die. He would have been that way almost a small child. Not understanding of either ramifications and not understanding.

And it was really played masterfully inside of that because the barrier that we knew that we saw, and I thought it was a nice continuation for what we saw in the Snyder cut of Flash because it was almost reminiscent to that scene that he did in, that they added, I think, in the Snyder cut that it plays into. I don't know why, but the barista at the freaking thing

annoyed the piss out of me. Oh, same. I think he was supposed to. I think so, too. He was very puncturable. But I was worried that the whole movie was going to be like that. Like, they were going to overcook it. Like, everything is just like... A lot.

A lot. I mean, that was that scene. I'm like, is this going to be. to be every scene. I was also worried about the allotness. It's one scene. And then even when I saw it the second time, like,

okay, this is just this particular thing. I know where we go from this because the humor, it was a nice balance. It was a good balance. The stuff that worked, the stuff that when he goes

and sees the roommates in the multiverse and they're talking about Eric Stoltz as, dude, that was such a genius. Really well done. Multiverse joke.

The Eric Stoltz of it all was so funny because if you know the Mandela effect, if you know the casting of like a month in, all of that ties in. And then it's just such a simple little like splinter

for like 20, minutes where you're like, why would it be Eric Stolt? But it's not just a bit, though. It plants you. Oh, no, it's a story. Right, no, because it's right. It's not, because inside of that conversation, he also has to find out that one in a woman doesn't exist. Yes. And then, like, and, and, and, and, and, and they say it at first time, and you go, like, multivers, and then it puts you in the world, and then it becomes a story. It does, because you can get that joke where he's, like, look up, uh, Diana, or

whoever he looks up, and it's like an old lady or whatever. Yeah. And it's, like, what about Batman? Oh, he exists. Nobody knows who he is, though. And we've seen the trailer, sort of like, oh, that's Caten. Yep. And it's also a time travel movie and a time travel movie. I love that it's back to the future that he's referencing as the multiple things because we're in a time travel movie. Also, the thigh joke was so great because it was his calf.

When he lifts his leg and Marty McFly and it's Marty McThigh, but it's on his calf. And he's like, that's not even your thigh. That's your calf. He's like, how about now? Yeah, and it's still his calf. It's hilarious. Marty McSye. No, my only other, I'm there.

with you that my only other critique of the film or something that didn't quite work for me was our final villain was finding out no no no no no no oh finding out that it was him yeah I'm fine with that because that's actually a real storyline that they do

as well even if it wasn't in the comics I thought that that was a nice that's always been a nice twist that I enjoyed my it my only issue is we kind of make that jump from that 18 year old Barry to what's going to be the evil berry like that in that moment, in a flash,

ha-ha. I needed more time to feel that pain out of that final. That part was rushed. I agree. And if you would give me that time to blow, especially what doesn't help in my mind, and this is just from being the nerd that I am, having watched most of the Flash TV show,

and we've done this storyline before, and you had time to breathe and figure out how this pain got there and how we could get to such a dark place like that. You essentially what you did was the whole adage of you're supposed to show, don't tell. You started to show, and then you were like, we got like 10 minutes. We're just going to tell them what happened.

And that was the only thing that I didn't quite vibe with. Yeah, but then you know what they did very well to make you kind of forget it? Because I felt the same way. I'm like, okay, this is kind of like the superhero ending that they had to rush together. Was him with the mom in the grocery store? Dude, that scene was so.

That was incredible. Powerful. They have incredible. She was so good. She's been in tons of stuff. I can't remember the actress's name, but the, playing his mom. She was really, really good.

You understood why he needed her in his life. And when he lost her, you understand it kind of lost also that it really explained the relationship and the bond that him and Bruce have because of that. And you really get that more so in this movie. But that's seen at the grocery store, man. And Bruce is. I love that it ties him to Keaton immediately because he accomplished is the thing that Keaton's wanted to do for 50 years.

And it ties him to Affleck, as Affleck understands his pain. That one scene ties you to both Batman. And I love that he basically, there's the trolley problem in most superhero movies, like save one or save a million. It's saved the universe or kill your mom. He doesn't, he doesn't, he just doesn't. She dies because of him. It's basically allow your mom to be killed. That's insane.

I know. And that's a hero. Like that's such a moment. Sacrifice. That's like the ultimate trolley problem. It's allow your mom to die. the stakes of the universe. Right.

It was so powerful because you actually felt that. It was at that moment, though, when he's hugging her with the tomato can and he watches himself go through and just like all of it. He comes back to again,

but it goes back to Ezra Miller plays that scene masterfully. He's really, really, really well. I was going to ask you, so the storyline that I know both from the show and from the movie

of the Flashpoint animated movie was that it was Zoom. I assume that's the sequel. You think that that's what it would have been is that you find out that Zoom was the one that killed his mom. Because we very clearly don't say it's anyone. And we say like we think it was someone that just broke in. Like we make it very clear.

So I think what I would do is if I'd out a sequel, I would make it so the speed force is happening. And that's one timeline. And then you realize that Zoom has to exist in order to exist. He has to go back and do this thing. That's why he's never seen because he's faster than even that perception. So then you have like an alternate running speed timeline to kill the mom. To clarify for

a Christian whose face would fully blank here. There is it. I went, I just started thinking about my taxes for this. So, so Roth IRA, brokerage account. So the Flash's main, one of his main villains, Professor Zoom, he's

the one that you always see in the yellow and red, like the inverse colors. He's essentially inverse flash. There's a lot of inverse speedsters that he fights. He lives in the future. He's a massive Flash fan. He wants to be his homie, and he's like, nah, bra, like, you chill out, and he's so he

loses it, and he decides screw it. It's kind of like like, um, electro in the Spider-Man movie. Yes, yes. And so what he ultimately does is, because he's like, if I can't be with you Barry sort of situation, I'm just kind of wreck you and it ends up being that he realized

the same story. Yeah, that's that that's right. Yeah. They definitely electric. Which one came first, yeah. And so it essentially ends up being a situation where he then realizes in it of himself that he caused the Flash to be the Flash because he was the one that went back in time and murdered his mom. And so that was the whole

thing. He set all of the Domino's emotional. They could actually tell you who actually did it. And that's what I think the sequel would be. Yeah, it makes sense. And that's how you escalated nemesis. Sure. But either way, the emotion was really good. What I liked about how they started to set up the relationship. It was with 18-year-old Barry and then, I guess,

30-year-old Barry books will say. I loved how they played all that. I thought Ron Livingston was really good because he replaced what's... Alan Crutup? Billy Cruttop. Bill of, thank you. Yeah, because I was watching

and I forgot it. So yeah, that's right, Billy Crudup was, I wonder why they probably just couldn't get on that. When they moved the schedule

six months, they lost Billy and he tried shooting too. Like Billy was like already filming and then. But I like how they kind of set up that whole thing and he's in because they do,

I was going to say like subtly the food thing kind of goes away, but it doesn't. It's there a lot. And I like when he goes into the apartment and he's got, he's got no food in there, just the rotten broccoli.

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We got to talk about Keaton, man. Yeah. I'm right over here. What do you need? So it was amazing to see him. I love how they brought him in, the old house and the stuff and the samurai stuff. If you know the movies really, when he shows up, and it immediately took me back to the 89 version. I love the even like the subtle hints of the Danny Elfman score that are, that, that,

plays in there and then eventually you hear the full theme. But all of that, and the way that they play and where he's been hiding out and he comes out and he's... And I love that, you know, 18-year-old Barry is learning his powers through this and he's just like watching him and Bruce is flying all over the place. The brakes off of the 30-year-old version.

And the 18-year-old was like, huh? Yeah, he's trying to figure it out. It's amazing, but that whole scene. And then I love... Again, we talk about the humor. Yeah. It worked when he's like, I thought this was the cousin's dinner. That shouldn't work for me, but it did.

That was so stupid. It should know what it was good. I love that it was such a dumb joke. And he's like eating the spaghetti and you're looking at, I love how much plot is based on spaghetti. He says, wait, wait, wait, wait, where's Batman? He's, that's Batman? He's like, what do you think we're doing here? And like that whole, it's hilarious.

Just like the beers line I was going to say right before the commercial break was I love that he gets the beers and he comes back. And then the two-punched joke of like the beers from the fridge where I keep them. That joke shouldn't work. But then it exploding. Yeah. Of course it would because it shook. But it was so funny to me. And it like, all of the huge.

and this landed more than I ever expected it too. There were some jokes that I think here and there that didn't for most part they did. Yeah, like 8 to 10. Yeah, and I thought that and I was, and I didn't know, I thought it was gonna be, like the stuff that didn't work for me as much as I think it landed for other people

was the opening with a coffee scene. It's just that, that's like the guy, to me, the guy was trying too hard. He was trying too hard, but I don't know that actor. It feels like that may have been the moment. He was directed that way, for sure. I just, it just, it felt like the character was trying too hard.

Like it was just like, Okay, can I, is that all I can get? Why's he being such a jerk to him? Just because that's where we bruce is or. I'm like, I don't know. Anyway, it's such a minor gripe. Yeah, I think, I think probably he's being that much of a dick just to point out how when you have super speed and you need everything to be like this,

that this one, right? I understand the purpose of it. I just did that. I was just like, okay, let's, let's just, like I said, I didn't want the whole movie to be that kind of humor. Luckily, it wasn't. It wasn't. The only other thing that doesn't make sense to me, about that when we came back?

Because I was trying to do the math. I was like, okay, all the time it took to get the babies, to save the car, even when he's not in the speed force, there's no way it took that guy that long to make the sandwich. 17 minutes sandwich, maybe. That's what I was going to say, because it was at least, even though he did certain things in the, in a flash,

ha-ha, the rest of that was like a good 15, 20 minutes of real time. 12 to 15 minutes minimum. Right, because he had to get, and by the way, so the other thing. Oh, the Wonder Roman joke was so good. The Wonder Woman joke was incredible, and they introduced the way that Bruce comes into that scene and how they have Batman coming. It was a great opening, minus the CGI stuff. It was a great opening and a great way to still, you could see what Mouschetti was talking about, the homage to the DCEU and the stuff that Snyder did and all those characters.

And then when she shows up and the way she plays it and everything that they're going through with him, Bruce. My ego's too big to admit I needed help. It's hilarious. And then the stuff with, I know what's saying, I'm aware of my money. I'm aware what sex is, but I've never had it or whatever. This is so good. I'm glad gal got an opportunity to really, since we really don't know what's going on. Both now this and Shazam, I'm glad that she got an opportunity.

I heard they cut her, so I'm glad she wasn't. Remember that? I think what I think happened, and it could be wrong, but I think she had a bigger role to play. I think they cut it down and whether that was a reshoot scene or whatever. Because I loved it. It was great scene. I mean, how great would it have been to both Clooney and Linda? Carter had showed up with the court scene.

But let's talk about Keaton, right? Because Keaton shows up in that scene. And everybody's, I mean, a lot of people are going to be going to see this movie because of Keaton. The question is, does Keaton deliver? And boy does he. And he's in it a long time. And it's a great wrap up to

the two movies that he was in because it's what you said. Like he was going through all this pan. I love the Joker thing when he's, look what I found. And they found that a little baggie. And how annoying that would be to 30-year-old. It works for their story development. They got a Joker reference works for the story.

The thing that I don't really understand. The bad laughs. Yeah, the only thing I don't really understand too much, but I was like, I don't know what I'm just going to go with it. When he loses his powers, right, the first time he gets, the 18-year-old he gets hit with the lightning and the chemicals go on him, okay, I guess that's how you got your

powers and I guess that's kind of how you lost it. It's a character plot, fine. But then, hey, I need you to hit me with lightning as many times as you can in that chair. and it's not working. So Supergirl is going to take me up into the clouds and let me get hit by lightning.

But I guess what was the chemicals? So, so the chemicals are already on them, right? The chemicals are already on them, I guess the, yes, because the chemicals instead of glass shattering all that, they just had in the vials and it was just kind of injecting it on him. I think it's more concentrated lightning? Yeah, it's happened in in the story before where the idea is, obviously how dangerous it is and to really,

point of fact that like there is no reason this should have worked right it was already a one and one trillion possibility that this would happen the way that it did in the first place yep so i guess it's just exactly that of just like okay you just trying to do the best you can how badly do you need and want these powers that you're on death's door well again i thought edger miller played that scene yeah on both on both versions of themselves because you had you had um you had you had younger berry like don't do this and then cutting off the Batman ears and making it's hilarious and learning about the moments but Joker scar which one well the fact that as he becomes the the the full-on villain like the Joker scar that he got because the thing cut remember he had that big cut yeah yeah yeah

I thought that was a nod directly to that that's how I kind of started to key in because what he ended up with the the blade stuck in his arm yeah right but that but someone cut his his mouth open And he had them. And I literally thought to myself, you want to know how I got these? Because it was the exact Joker. Interesting. Yeah.

So. Well, yeah, but anyway, the way that they play that whole, an whole scenario how you get there with, with, well, with Keaton, right? And how you have that, the Joker scene with the, with the laughing and the play, the, the tie into it all. And then how, like, how he's, doesn't want to be part of this. And then I love that scene.

Yeah, but I love that scene between Barry and, and him, where he's like, I know you're watching me right now. Yeah. That's fun. And then he's, and he's, because he's invested in it and he feels something in it, right? And he lets him go down there.

He's like, you know, he could have easily been like, well, this Batman is Batman. He knows Batman. I think even with him being retired, him like kind of becoming this weird,

kooky hermit, because my other thought process was like, okay, well, where is Alfred? But I guess if Bruce is that old Alfred must have died. Oh, for a while, because that's what I also liked about,

and we talked about this on Friday. I got the rules. understood the rules because I said to myself at first, I'm like, well, wait a minute. If they're doing this is the same timeline, like, wouldn't, wouldn't Bruce be the same age as Ben Affleck? Like, wouldn't, and he's like, it's not how time works. And he's like, he's going, he's going into it. He's just like, you know, the whole spaghetti thing. Retzor causal is genius. Yeah, it's like, you know, you do, you change one thing here and you're changed it like you'd be. And I love that that's more science base because time isn't linear. Like, we have proven time is not

linear. So it wouldn't make sense that we all run. Like, I like the Marvel method if they can spell it out. But it wouldn't make sense that all these timelines are running parallel in that directive way because time doesn't react linearly even on our planet. If you go to a high enough mountain, time's different up there than down here. So I love the idea of... It's like interstellar. Right, exactly. So the idea

of retro causality being time travel. Love. But you know the planet that he goes to? In interstellar. I remember. I remember. It was what he was down there 30 minutes and it was like seven years. No, no, no. I know that. I just I love that movie. But the one thing that always took

me out of it is that I don't disagree with the idea of like the connection the love is what got us there is just having Matthew McConaughey flying through the fifth dimension and they're like so what is it what's the secret love mom that's what'll get us there love you know that's how mccaneh thanks though you know that's you know that was an adlin they just filled it yeah he's got his bongos like love they're like cut the bongos keep the line but i thought keaton did a really good job not only explaining those things but also I bought both his commitment and his not wanting to be involved I bought the Alfred connection still. When you mentioned Alfred,

I've always, it actually solved a problem for me that I've had for 30 years. Okay. I love that Alfred Go is the perfect Alfred. Mm-hmm. Sorry, Miles Goh. What's the guy that plays Alfred's name?

Michael Goh, the original Alfred. It's Michael. Michael. So I think Miles Go is a creator. Anyway, Michael Go, we'll call him, go. He's the Alfred for 4 Batman. Yeah.

And now, because of this storytelling, it works. Yeah, absolutely. Because the linchpin of the Batman's is there is an Alfred. and in those different timelines where they're all the same age, that could be that like Nexus being Alfred. That's what I love that.

That's what I loved about what Barry said. He's like, yeah, there's an Alfred there. Right. And George Clooney had the same Alfred as Michael Keaton. It always drove me insane. But it works in this way of timeline because they're all about 30. And Michael Keaton in great shape during this thing, and it's because he's taking athletic greens.

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But I loved Keaton, but I, I said it earlier on the non-spoiler man. Sasha Kaye is my MVP of this movie. I honestly, she's the only one we didn't know. She's the only one that had to step into. super shoes. Everyone loves Henry Cavill deservedly. Everyone wanted Superman. And she was so good that at no point was I like, I wish that was Henry Cavill.

All because of her. Because we talked about the writing. I do think that the way they wrote the movie, there was so much to do with Batman, there was so much to do with flashes, there was so much to do. She didn't have a lot of time. But every time she was on screen, I wanted more, not like get me back to me. These players. I think Sasha Kaye, like, I cannot wait to see what she does next. I was just going to say

the easy way to remember her name from now on. Yipa Kaye. Yeah. That's what I said. She was like Bruce Willis. That's what I said. You guys thought I was crazy. We thought you're talking about Willis. Oh, I was talking about Willis.

No, I said my Bruce Willis. Who is Diehardt. I understand. I thought you'd tell me about his last name. Oh. Exactly. I was like, what? That's why I was like, what?

That's why I was saying. That's why I was saying, because Sasakay. Sasha Kaye is, has a very likable quality about her. She has a very electric feel about her. My biggest thing with her is nothing that she did wrong, just what I mentioned on Friday. She was the most underdeveloped out of everything going on because they were focusing, understandably, on the two Barry story and Michael Keaton. And they had to do exactly what you just said. They had to make you go that isn't Henry Cavill, and it's not Calell.

It's, this is, this is Kara. I mean, she's what? She's the C slash D storyline, and she got introduced at the end of act two. So, like, there's no time to do that. There's no time. There's no time. So it's, again, it's nothing to do with her. I thought her performance was fantastic.

Like I just went and I think what you said was was absolutely right on just now and you said it on Friday was that it never it wasn't jarring in the fact it's like oh they're not I don't care about this character let's go to the next thing never felt that always like oh I want it was the opposite of that yeah tell me more and then she was gone and you're like oh because I like that she was the opposite of Kyle Lell really she was just like I don't want to help people yeah why would I do this you haven't given me a reason for it but but it makes it also makes sense I think that obviously she lands on earth and and she is able to live the life that he lived, even though she was, she, the thing that's always been interesting about, about Kara is the fact that she comes in already as like a teenager. She's not, she's not an infant who's then raised from like, so there's always this,

there's always this talk about kind of like adoption, the foster care system and the idea of like when parents adopt a newborn versus an older child and how that, the personalities differ and things like that. But that's part of it is you did, didn't just do that. You tortured her for 20 plus years. She had the opposite of Mon Paa Kent, and she's still good. That's what I love about her character in the comics and in this, is that she's got this edge to her because she was the opposite of mom pa Kent raised,

but she's still good because hope. Like hope is so much easier to have when you've got a nurturing family in Kansas. Hope's really hard to have when you just got, you're trying to help the people that tortured you. And you feel, and in your head, you failed your mission. Right. Right. Because like she was right. And when we get that reveal, because you start to, I wonder if that's part of the reshoots, by the way. I wonder if the reshoot was that Kell didn't die, and that's when Henry came in.

Oh. And it was able and like, you know, however, however. I forgot he was supposed to be in this. Yeah, he shot stuff. Yeah. And they cut it out. So I wonder if that was the case at all. Which is weird that they cut it because they didn't have to by the ending.

If I had to guess what they probably, you're right, but maybe they're just really trying to get to separate the thing. I would, I would guess that maybe Superman was in that opening scene. I think we got all of our Justice League. Right. Yeah, you're probably right. But it would be interesting if that was indeed the case, you know, because they were going to make such a bigger push to have him do more.

But she had the stuff with Zod and then again, with Michael Shannon having him come back and like looking at like just the idea that you can try to change it as many times you want. Nothing's changing. This guy's taken over because without Superman here right now and without, and the way that this went down, you set this stuff in motion in this timeline. This timeline cannot exist. It's got to go away. And it's like, it's kind of like when you throw to across the Spider-Verse, like the question I still don't really have an answer to, to be completely honest with you.

And I don't want to spoil that movie for people who haven't seen it. But there's a particular question I asked you in that about, let's just say that a particular universe disappears and blows up. And I said, well, why is it blow up here, but not there? And how come this person is that? And it's like, this made sense to me where it was like, well, okay, because of. It shouldn't have started and has to finish. Yeah, it has to. It's because when he did that thing, there's this, and I like how they explain it.

There's this one particular loop that'll just keep repeating no matter what. And that's why he took the shot with the can because that doesn't mean the world's going to blow up if you change that particular moment. So I'm going to give it a shot and my dad's free because of it. Right. He saved one parent. Right. And he saved one parent but got trapped in this new universe because of it. Right.

This is why, though, again, and I won't get into this whole thing because I can be here for four hours. This is the type of time stuff that I F with. Yeah. because when you listen to the way that time and space and all that stuff really works, that's why back to the future as much as I love, it drives me nuts. Because as far as time goes,

as far as time goes, because all that stuff, like Barry is living in another. He's not living in his... No, so there's no butterfly effect. He's living in a different timeline. Right. Martin McFly is essentially living in another,

when he comes back in that first movie. Right. He's living in another universe. He's not living in that universe. It doesn't just come, because that time, but that's how that rules are for time. It wouldn't be the same.

Side note, though, let's not pretend like him moving the can isn't the same amount of messing with everything because think about it. The whole reason she died is because they put the can in the cart. So she had the tomatoes. He never had to leave all the murder,

all that stuff, right? So putting the can on the top shelf is doing the same thing. It's like he learned no lesson. No, no, he went as a separate trip. The dad wasn't with them when they were shopping. No, no, I understand that. The reason, so the end.

So the ending, the reason why his dad ends up free is because Barry moved the cans that he needed on the top shelf so they could see his face to get him out of prison. You have still moved a tomato can. You have still completely... Yeah, but the mom had to die. She still died. I understand. I don't know what you're saying. No, but you were saying that the moving the can up to the top shelf wasn't that big of a deal and you just kind of let the...

I mean, it's a big deal because you changed. You got him out of jail. Exactly. Right. So I'm saying both parents didn't have to have their lives around. Only one did. mom's the thing that had to change. That way he gets his dad back, but he still went to prison, so it didn't cause as big of an effect. So that can moving is a lesser effect because the mom still had to die. Because all the stuff still happens the way that it did because he's still in prison. Because he's still in life. Because all the stuff. Because he's still. Like, again, going back to back to the future as much as one of my favorite movies of all time. He wouldn't be in that when he gets back from 1955, he wouldn't be in, he wouldn't be able to see himself do the exact. He wouldn't be in, he wouldn't be able to see himself do the exact. He wouldn't be in, he wouldn't be able to see himself do the exact.

exactly the same thing jumping in against living. He wouldn't be his... He wouldn't be doing all this stuff because his life is completely different at that point. But Barry's is exactly the same because Bruce needs to find that footage. He's his own Eric Stoltz. And I love that.

At the Eric Stolt's joke works into the flash continuity. Yeah, he found the footage. He found the footage. And inside of that footage, this time, it's not blurry. It's just, it's the same chain of events that would happen. Nothing else is different.

Yeah, 15 or whatever years have to pass. You can argue more so what scientists probably would. It was like the butterfly effect is that something else would have changed. Well, because, like, look, if I'm, if in my lifetime right now, I'm looking at this and I go, okay, I'm just going to put that right there, okay, that's fine. And these words that we're having now has one train of thought. Right. But if I went to do this

and I knocked on the floor, I went, shit, let me pause it. And I pause it. And I pause it. And I think something else happens and it's more time. Our conversation, our thought patterns change. So a lot can change inside of that. Every single person's shopping for tomato cans has a different way. I mean, to that point, I guess, I guess, I guess that was where we got our, this did have a major effect. I actually am correct in what I'm saying because the major effect was, yeah, Bruce is not Ben Affleck. Bruce is George Clooney.

And George Clooney knew Ezra, which I loved. So it did, but that's why I really like this because it did change, it changed things. And we also don't know what else to change. That's the only visual we have because all we lived through was those 10 minutes, which I love. So there were consequences to it, but he's willing to live with those consequences. And Kirstie might be different now. Like their relationship might be different. They might have known each other.

I loved Kiery's relationship with Ezra, but it might be slightly different in that new universe. But the question is this, though, because when he goes back to, maybe they answered this and I don't know, but when he goes back to that universe, though, if it's a different universe, wouldn't there be two berries in the same one,

the same way that there was two berries in, you know. Right, but he's only, he just got back so we don't, like, he's probably going to find him. He's got like, though. So there could be. There could be. And also his universe is now conceptually missing a berry. Yeah, right.

That's right. So there's a lot to it. but who knows if it's even going to continue on. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But the fights, the fights were great, you know,

the way they played like that. I liked the end battle scene. It was, it was a traditional kind of a little bit more of a traditional scrimmed. I was spending all that time being like, bro, Batman and the are not doing any damage to these Kryptonians. I love that because they wouldn't.

It's 1989 take on Batman. All of his stuff is old. He hasn't like upgraded his stuff. The only way that Bruce was doing any damage Mr. Clark was because he had a bunch of of kryptonite gas bombs and a spear. Batman would never be able to do anything to a cryptone without prep, and he didn't have prep.

So I love that this Batman was just like, bomb, bomb. And it just slowed him down. Even when he blows up, you know, and he comes back, he's like, don't go to the force. He was like, copy. That's true. Shouldn't do that. Yeah, right.

And then he, you know, but he winds up still. And then the same fact that Sasha Kaye keeps, he keeps trying to get to her. He can't get to her. I thought that was pretty powerful. That's something. It was. And the blue and orange with the two flashes,

they're different power. I love because that also ties into Zach Snyder. Used a lot of blue and orange and his colors and his posters. So I love that we had a final fight that was blue and orange, but it had a thematic reason as opposed to just a color grade. Like they even, like, Mushietti even made the color scheme of Snyder have canon.

It's genius. Yeah, that's great. I mean, what else did we miss? I'm trying to think. We got, we got that. We got the cave. Love getting to see Iris West.

I mean. Oh, right. So tell me, so then that's... So, yeah, Kiercy Cummins plays Iris West, and Iris West was supposed to be in like every time Flash appeared, but she kept getting cut. She was eventually in the Snifference.

either cut, that one great scene. But Kiercy Clemens getting to like be Iris West, who's integral to Flash lore. Like Barry Allen and Iris West are two of the only like they are forever together. They're like Clark and, you know, Lois. But we never got that. So finally getting to see Kiercy play this was was so delightful. And I thought like their chemistry in that scene and the apartment was great. Her kind of like realizing she's being too much for a reporter and like a little too brusk.

I thought what Kiercy brought in her like seven minutes was so powerful. I wish we'd had more with her. I love that actress. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, I think that's great. So now the question goes to you guys. What did you think of the movie?

Did you like it? Do you agree with our points? Disagree with it? Do you think it's really good? Do you disagree in the fact that, A, you think it is the greatest superhero movie of all time? B, do you think that it is just okay? Or where do you think it stands? Because I would put this up there as one of the better DC-EU movies.

It's my number four when I look better. Okay, so let me see if I mean, I'm a big man of steel fan, so I got to go back and check it out. But the suicide squad is up there for me too. So I put them in, I put all three of those together, and then maybe Wonder Woman comes in at number four. It might be a rewatch for me, because I don't know if I can answer that question. I haven't really seen.

The last thing I saw was Wonder Woman recently. I just had an inkling to watch it, so I need to rewatch. I got personally, Shazam the Suicide Squad, one Roman, this is my four. Okay. And this in Wonder Woman kind of docee-dough, because the third act of Wonder Woman is pretty bad for me. But I do think the impact in the no man's land, those things are like a plus. It was great. I just think this movie to me, yeah, I don't know.

I have to watch this and Man of Steel again. Man of Steel is right after this for me. And the Suicide Squad is just... Oh, it's just so good. It's just the thing, the different, like, but I think we talked about this last time maybe. The D.C. as far as a D.C. movie overall, like, just for fans, you know, like, this is a superhero movie. DC, the Suicide Squad to me is... Its own thing.

It's its own thing. It's a great comic book movie, you know, for sure. But it's, and it's right up my alley with, you know, sense of humor and all that. But as far as, like, the flash is like an iconic character. And Shazam is personal to me, so I can see this being people's favorites easier. Yeah, yes. And it also plays more into, like we've mentioned back to the future a handful of times. This is the DCUs Back to the Future.

It really. And I hope it has legs. I mean, it feels very no way homeian. I mean, not just from like the gimmick of. it, but like as the homage to everything that came before. So because it focused so much on Keaton, and that's exactly what we got out of, you know, McGuire and Garfield. Thank you.

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