The Kristian Harloff Show - Was The Marvel Avengers DOOMSDAY Announcement A Disappointment Or Marketing Genius?!

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

On today's show we discuss the Marvel Avengers Doomsday and whether or not it was a GREAT marketing decision or a huge waste of time. Maybe both? Rachel Zegler drama continues as a new Variety article... claims that Disney pleaded with her to be cautious on social media. The blowback from the Disney disaster has been anything but fair.  Blade gets a new director. Live action Scooby Doo in the works!  400 Million dollar budget for Mission Impossible?! John Rocha hosts today with Steph and Mike! #avengers #marvel #mcu #doomsday #doctordoom #reveal #marketing #blade #scoobydoo #snowwhite #rachelzegler  OUR SPONSORS: DRAFT KINGS: New players can get FIVE HUNDRED CASINO SPINS ON A FEATURED GAME! Just sign up with code HARLOFF and wager a minimum of five dollars to receive FIVE HUNDRED CASINO SPINS ON A FEATURED GAME. TRADE COFFEE: Trade is exclusively offering our listeners 40% off your first order at https://www.drinktrade.com/KRISTIAN STITCH FIX: Make style easy—get started today at https://www.StitchFix.com/KHS  

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Starting point is 00:00:01 What's up, everybody? It's the Christian Harlov show. So how was the Avengers Doomsday cast announcement and revealed? Did you like it? Were you into it? Did you have questions? Christian Harloff did the live stream yesterday with Wednesday, Marshall popping in five and a half hours.
Starting point is 00:00:20 My God, you can watch that. That's up there. But did you think it was overblown? Did somebody think it was too much? Or did some of you love it? We want to hear about it. And are we all suckers for watching? it. I'm going to find that out as we talk about it today with me and
Starting point is 00:00:34 Steph Sabra joining us here. Unfortunately, Mike Kalanowski, not joining us, but Steph is in. Bridie also posted a very revealing look at the Rachel Zegler situation. And we've got an update from a producer's son who chimed in on the Rachel Zegler situation as well. And there's a $400 million budget for the new Mission Impossible movie. $400 million. That's insane. This and more of the topics are coming. up on the show today, so let's not waste any time.
Starting point is 00:01:05 And let's do this thing. What's up, everybody? I am John Roga sitting in for Christian Harloff today on the Christian Harlov show. But you know, I can't do it alone. You always need help, especially on a Thursday. And who else better can you bring along to help you? But one of the best to ever do it, one of the members of the world girls, and a lady who's established herself as someone to watch and follow on all things,
Starting point is 00:01:38 social media plus she's got some great opinions on all the topics we want to talk about here and that is step subrah how are you step that was such a great intro i really felt like special you are special you've always been special thank you i feel the same about you when you were like i can't do this alone i'm like actually roka i think christian and the rest of us have all decided that you are the one that can oh no you and roxy that's who i would that's who i would that's who i would ship off off to do whatever needed to be done in my stead. Absolutely. The Rox is bad.
Starting point is 00:02:15 I love the Roxy. Of course. That's the one you want to go with for sure. Because she holds nothing back, you know. And neither do you. Honestly, you're just much, you're a much more subtle assassin and the rest of us are much bigger in our approaches. But you're like,
Starting point is 00:02:27 you guys ever think about this? You're like the Gabby of our crew, I would say. You don't see it come from traders. You don't see it coming. Oh, my gosh. I need to walk. Traders. You got to watch.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I need to. I am just now entering my reality TV era. So that one is definitely next on the list. Yeah, yeah. You got to get on it. You got to get on it. Speaking of getting on things, though, and speaking of joining lists or making lists,
Starting point is 00:02:58 we had an Avengers doomsday cast list that was dropped here. Before we jump into, it reminds you all this super chats are open, sending in your love now. I hope we match the 481 from yesterday's live stream show. But we're going to try. We're going to try to match it. So help us do that.
Starting point is 00:03:17 Yeah, 481 super chat. Okay, you guys, how great, let's just set the stage. How great would it be like this is the ultimate. If you love an underdog today is the ticket. This is the ultimate underdog moment. If we are two hour in comparison to a five hour plus stream. Come on. Yeah, beat them.
Starting point is 00:03:40 Nothing would shock Winston more than if we got to 500. We just want to see him getting upset about it, for sure. But let's get into the first story here because we don't want to waste any time because there's so much to talk about today here. So let's jump into the first one. And that's talking about the Avengers, sorry, talking about the Rachel Zegler situation here. And this is a from T. Whoa, what happened here? Oh, I must have gotten into the situation.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Oh, my gosh. Sorry, guys. This is what happens sometimes when you get ads on these articles. Every first ever said. I mean, come on already. I don't know what's going on. I still am not in an okay place from the finale. I know a lot of people emotional about that finale for sure.
Starting point is 00:04:27 But anyway, thanks for covering for me there stuff as I made the mistake. Where is this thing? I'm trying to find. There it is. All right. Let's get it on. And let's get the. angle right here. I think we want to do it this way right now. Yeah, there we go. All right. So
Starting point is 00:04:42 this is what I have. I don't have Christians newfangled technology, so we have to do it this way. So I'm just going to zoom in on this article and read it. But inside Disney snow white fiasco, this is from Tatiana Siegel. She's in August 12, 2004, three days after Rachel Zegler hit the stage at Disney's D23 fan event to introduce the first official trailer. she thanks supporters effusively in an ex post for driving the teaser to 120 million views in 24 hours. One minute later, she added an afterthought and always remember, Free Palestine, that addendum amassed 8.8 million views, nearly four times the number for the initial post. Quickly made the rounds with many inside the studio expressing shock.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Now, we've covered this a little bit on Monday. We know that there was some issues that went on here behind the scenes, explaining what went on here, that Mark Platt, the producer, came to visit Rachel Zegler to talk to her about some of her posts because something like this, like three months later, following presidential elections, Zegler posted F. Donald Trump, made Trump supporters never know peace on Instagram. So that was where Disney said they'd had enough
Starting point is 00:05:45 and they wanted to send Mark Platt in there. And he did. And Mark Platt made the case again to Zegler after doing it the first time. And they eventually got her a social media guru to vet any of the posts before the film's March 21st bow. uh both disney and rachel zegler did not respond to a comment for this article and the film is eighty seven million dollars worldwide it is now in the river mirror and everyone is looking at this situation uh and wondering if rachel zegler is possibly to blame for this one of the executives at
Starting point is 00:06:19 rival studios said you can't say the live action remake of the most iconic film in the vault that cost two hundred seven million dollars and has been reshought multiple times opening to 50 million dollars is okay the math does not work that movie should be a billion dollar movie. And of course, this goes on to talk about more about what went on behind the scenes. They say all press is good press, but in Snow White's case, they were unabashedly wrong, says Jeff Bach of Exhibitor Relations, too much negative controversies for another this film for years. And it didn't help that the reviews were a subpar likely rendering this latest live action adventure to Disney Plus for many potential ticket buyers. So let's just stop there, because
Starting point is 00:06:56 there's an addendum to this, but I want us to talk about this, Deb, because this has sparked some really strong reactions from people on social media and people in Hollywood, including Monica Barbaro, who came out and named Tatiana Siegel as someone that she is upset about right in this article about Rachel Zegler. So where do you stand on this? What are your thoughts on the comments that were made here and finding out that they had sent a producer to go talk to her and eventually had to hire a social media guru to try to control a young woman in her 20s, speaking her mind about the political issues. I feel as though they, there was no mirror around any of these execs, no self-awareness.
Starting point is 00:07:43 They didn't see the booger in their nose and then they blamed it on something that wasn't actually in their teeth. I think this is completely overblown blaming a single person for the smallest sentence ever. that I on my side of the internet I found no issue with it the issues that I saw arising in people's comments and criticism of snow white before it came out yeah were to do with the dwarves were to do with um the bat like it didn't feel like there was a magical making of this movie there wasn't you know it didn't feel like there was good vibes on the set that really matters with marketing you know people wanted to see Barbie for multiple reasons but one was that we loved watching the cast vibe before the movie came out this is like there there was no vibe around it people had issues with how it looked i saw a lot of discourse about her the other star of this movie gal godot and um on my side of the internet i saw more criticism towards her so i feel like for this to be single out on Rachel is like
Starting point is 00:09:02 come on that's ridiculous and it's so unfair to her like do I think that it was a random time to interject in a snow white post sure like if you want to talk about perfect media training yeah I mean like you probably like there's two there could be two separate posts for that and I would you know but that's like really the furthest I would take that I wouldn't say that's the reason I didn't run to the theater to see this movie Right, right. I think there are many sizes, which is what makes it really interesting. Because initially, you know, when Chris and I talked about it on Monday, I was like, yeah, you know, she made these comments and she, maybe some media training would be helpful down the road, so she'd be aware of this. But then as I like deeper into this and read the article, I think Rachel Zegler is a woman who's possibly a little more smarter than her young years.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Like she is picking certain high profile places to deliver her messages and the fact that the article says that Mark Platt went to her and she was like, no, they talked to her team. And her team was like, she's not changing her mind. She's going to keep her posts up. That tells me that she has a platform that she is willing to use to promote her beliefs. And the irony is she's the best thing in that movie. And everyone across the board has said, She's the best thing about that snow white movie. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Got got destroyed. And so it's like you're seeing that she knows she's Uber talented. And it unsettles people, especially when it's a woman of color, that a person this talented will speak out about these issues. On the same side, though, there's a business responsibility. And you wonder, should she be doing this on a red carpet? Should she be doing this during a promotional cycle for a movie where you want to invite everybody to be. into to see the movie so there's a lot of sides to this complex situation it's not as as black and white as you might initially think you know totally yeah i'm not saying like she would i would have
Starting point is 00:11:06 done what she would have done with even similar beliefs i because i probably if i'm playing snow why i would just like be so zoned in on that and do like like just murder the looks on the carpet and just, you know, which she did. She did her little snow white bob that she posted on Instagram. That was an absolute sleigh. And I love that that's the type of marketing for movies I love because it's like this person loved the character they were playing. But separate from all of that, while I don't think there was, you know, there was some mistakes made on everybody's end in terms of making this movie bigger in the box office than it was. But the truth, the real, real truth, behind this all is that none of Disney's live action remakes have done that great.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Some have done okay in the box office, but none have been really well received. Like, wow, you elevated this classic movie into a whole new way. They've been struggling and it's been declining each and every go where it's like, yeah, sure, Lion King made money, but no one's thinking like, wow, do you know what Disney studios doing? Like, they're really up to something new. It's just like, okay, these are just remakes. Yeah, I think that does apply certainly to quite a few of them. Now, you know, Lion King did make $1.6 billion, but I think the anger you're coming from is the reception overall hasn't been like, wow, these are amazing live action remakes. Keep doing them, right?
Starting point is 00:12:42 I mean, we saw the Little Mermaid reaction wasn't positive. Mufasa didn't get a lot of positive reaction, although it is at 720 million worldwide. I think Cinderella and possibly Pete's Dragon are the ones that felt like they were a little bit unique in that way. But if you go, but there's been 23 of them. So if only two of the 23 stand out, that tells you that maybe, you know, the quality is not there. So, but what do you think about this angle?
Starting point is 00:13:11 Some people have brought this up too, Steph, is that people, that Disney was essentially using variety to do a hit piece on Rachel so that they're not blamed for the failure of the movie. Do you think that might have been working behind the scenes in this situation? Or do you think that's a little bit tinfoil hatty of people? I think anything's possible. And I think business is a business and there's not a real soul behind 99% of businesses that are running in a capitalistic country. So do I think that they're willing to do anything to make it not on them?
Starting point is 00:13:50 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And is this like a pretty easy way to do it in today's political climate? Yes. So and I think that if I was a studio, I just wish we worked with studios that protected people as opposed to. Like if I was a studio head and I knew that this article was coming out, I would try hard to. have it not come out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:17 Because it's like just let's just look. Let's just move on and get to Lilo and Stitch because that looks pretty binging. Yeah, right. Exactly. Go to more happier places for sure. Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting situation. Well, there's also an addendum to this.
Starting point is 00:14:32 We mentioned Mark Platt, but his son was on social media and had a comment to some people here about it. Let's take a look at that article next year. Oh, my God. So, yeah, Snowy producer's son is harshly slamming of the, sorry, is harshly slamming Rachel Zegler accusing the star of hurting the film with their social media comments. Jonah Platt, who is the son of Mark Platt, took to Instagram to defend his father against Zegler fans in the wake of a variety story that noted that Platt, apparently
Starting point is 00:15:07 Disney's behest, flew in New York City in August to ask the actress to remove a free Palestine comment that she made on X while she was thanking Disney fans for watching the Snowye trailer. A commenter called Platt's father, quote, creepy as hell and said the producer's efforts to control Zegler's social media post was uncalled for. Now, I have the, I think I have a picture of it. So this is what he, this is the exchange. Let's look at it here, Steph. Your dad flew to NYC to reprimand a young actress.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Any words on this? Because that's creepy as hell and uncalled for people have the right to free speech. No, shame on your father. Now, Jonah responded here, you really want to do this? Yeah, my dad, the producer of enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, had to leave his family to fly across the country to reprimand his 20-year-old employee from dragging her personal politics into the middle of promoting the movie, for which she signed a multi-million dollar contract to get paid and do publicity for.
Starting point is 00:16:02 This is called Adult Responsibility and Accountability, and Her Actions Clearly Hurt the film's box office. That's speculation. free speech does not mean you're allowed to say whatever you want in your private employment without repercussions. Tens of thousands of people worked on that film and she hijacked the conversation for her own immature desires at the risk of all the colleagues and crew and blue collar workers who depended on that movie to be successful. Narcissism is not something to be coddled or encouraged. So, Steph, that's some strong statements. Oh, I lost you there. There you go.
Starting point is 00:16:37 Oh, yeah. I don't know what happened. Give me a second. There. There she is. So those are some strong statements. What do you think about Jonah Platt making this comment? And I think he took it down eventually.
Starting point is 00:16:54 That's good. Because can I read you how I read it in my head? Please. You really want to do this? Yeah. My dad, the producer of an enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions. of dollars on the line had to leave his family to fight across the country to reprimand his
Starting point is 00:17:15 20-year-old employee that that's what i i'm like what dude this is the dumbest mistake ever you sound so out of touch like you need to go outside and touch grass like you're trying to teach it it's kind of reminding me of when kim kardashian was like get off your butts and work it's like okay do you have some sort of logic going on yeah but uh wrong wrong sender wrong messenger i don't want to hear it from you buddy you're the son who's reaping the benefits of his father's position nope sorry yeah it's it's it's again it's a hot button issue clearly obviously with what's going on in that section of the world and you see what but you look at this angle that uh jonah takes here and by the way jonah hosts hosts the podcast being jewish
Starting point is 00:18:06 So you would assume he has a point of view clearly on this situation and maybe felt the need to weigh in. But the fact that he took, because of what Rachel Zegler said about Free Palestine, but the fact that he took it down to me speaks volumes about the fact that, look, this is his actual feelings. He just didn't once it got picked up, he didn't think it was going to get picked up. But once it got picked up, people ran with it. And the other side of this that I think is really fascinating is the article goes on to talk about. how Mark Platt previously weighed in on the topic of actors making political statements on the Being Jewish podcast, who did his son hosts, as I said. He also produced Wicked, and certainly Ariana Grande and Cynthia Rievo made pro-Palestine statements while they were doing the movie and promoting the movie. So is it really Rachel Zegler's issue or is the fact that the movie wasn't good?
Starting point is 00:19:02 Because Wicked was great and people loved it. And so it's amazing how no one's bringing up that issue as a reason for the film not doing well. Right. That's a great point. Right. It seems like we're doing around the way about that Disney knew they made a crap film by the end. And they were worried how people were going to respond to it. And so they want to throw Rachel under the bus.
Starting point is 00:19:23 It doesn't mean that she, anyone's approving what she said on the red carpet or whatever. But it does feel like why are you okay in one side to say pro-Palestine stuff? And the film does well. and you're not allowed and you get vilified for saying pro-Pasai and stuff and your film does terribly and you're at fault so it just seems like they're switching the goalposts a little bit yeah i just think my opinion is this had nothing to do with the box office numbers and i get wanting to support your dad but i also think it's on it's it's like this is clearly what you think so this is clearly what the producers think and that's crazy to me right right Yeah, it's an interesting situation. Like certainly you've got, and look, I've never, I will never comment on it because to me, that whole situation, that's a centuries long situation. And I just want peace.
Starting point is 00:20:16 I want people to be happy. But like, you've got to also create space for like multiple facets of a subject like this and the reactions to all of this. And going after a young actress who was 23 years old. I mean, and I see people in the chat saying, she's never going to work again. I disagree with you all completely because Hollywood respects talent more than anything else. And how many people with controversial points have used are still working today and still making movies today and doing whatever. So I think she might not be tent pole.
Starting point is 00:20:50 But the fact that people have responded so positively in support of Rachel, I think is a really interesting reaction. And I think Disney might have overplayed their hand here. What do you think, stuff? Yeah, I definitely think so. I think maybe she won't work with Disney again. And maybe that's not for her, like having to represent a huge franchise and company. And I can completely understand that. It's not for a lot of actors.
Starting point is 00:21:18 So, yeah, but either way, she can sing amazingly and she can act. So she's going to, and she's beautiful and well spoken. So she's going to be fine. She's young. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And she was so fiery. Like when you like are at that like 18 to 25, you're just like fired up. I did not I, I, I, you just, you're following your moral compass and you're just going with it. And it changes as you get older and sometimes for the worse. But sometimes it's like you, you know what's effective. Yeah, absolutely. And yeah, people sometimes forget what it's like to be in your 20s. Everything is important.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Everything matters. You know, when you get older, you realize what does matter, what doesn't matter, what you want to waste, what you want to spend energy on, rather, being upset about what you don't, mental health, taking care of yourself. But when young, more often than not, you're like, everything is life changing. Everything is super important. So you react that way. And I do think a lot of people will give her grace in the long run. And she'll be back to being in movies in no time. But the Broadway stuff, I mean, she's getting great reviews.
Starting point is 00:22:31 for Romeo and Juliet. She's already been cast to play Evita in the London West End production. And like I said, she is across the board, even if people hated the movie, she is the one person they're talking about is the best thing in the film. So she's young, she's talented. I think she's, I think she's a lot more smarter than people want to give her credit for. And I think she knows exactly what she's doing and how she's using her platform. And I think that unsettles people, because they want to just pawn her off as a young, stupid person. But in fact, she might be quite on top of things
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Starting point is 00:23:20 Let's get to that 400 we were talking about. Come on, you help us get there. Get on it. All right, let's move on to some blade stuff here. staff let's see what we got with the blade situation here as I make this a little bit in focus. Here we go. Blade reportedly enlist John Wake franchise director, Kerry Fukenaga, was in contention last year. So despite this is from Josh Wilding over there atcomcom, comic movie.com, rather, despite reports that Blade is on hold at Marvel Studios,
Starting point is 00:23:52 it's been revealed today that John Wick franchise director, Chad Stahelsky, is being lined up to bring the Daywalker into the MCU. If you're a Blade fan, it's fair to say, the past six or so years haven't been the easiest. That's true. It's hard to believe that Maharsha Ali was announced in 2019. I was in Hall H when that announcement was made. That is so crazy that it's already been six years. I know, right?
Starting point is 00:24:15 Only for the pandemic to come along the following year, delay Marvel Studios plans for the movie. Since then, the Blade reboot has lost a seemingly endless list of writers and directors, and even the odd actor with Lantern's star Aaron Pierre, among the most noteworthy. The movie has been undated for a while now, making claims that it's on, quote, indefinite hold, not in the least bit surprising. There were rumbings last month, the John Wick franchise director, Chats, T'Helsky could be in line to helm the reboot.
Starting point is 00:24:39 The latest draft was written by Michael Green and Eric Pearson, and according to the Insider, my brother on the hot mic, by the way, 4 p.m. PT live on the Outlaw Nation today, he's emerged as a frontrunner to finally bring Blade back to the theaters. According to the site, a different filmmaker was circling the movie at the end of 2024, and they'd now identified as no time to dies carry fukonaga he previously worked on the first season of true detective a series ali starred in during its third season quote however fukinaga is rather famously difficult to work with and i'm told that marvel was looking for someone a little more studio friendly so it was no big deal when fukadaga went off to direct the indie thriller blood on snow now marvel
Starting point is 00:25:19 studios is said to have found a new director in stahelsky not only is he safe to pair not only is he a safe pair of hands for a movie that's been trapped in development hell for over half a decade. But when it comes to delivering epic vampire action, who better than the John Wick director who cut his teeth in Hollywood by serving as a stunt double. Stahelsky also served a second unit director on Captain America Civil War, Birds of Bray.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Okay, there we go. I think that's everything. So, Steph, your thoughts on this. Do you like the idea? Did you like the idea of Fukunaga and you liked the idea that they're moving towards Chad's Tihelski possibly? Yeah, I like Fukunaga and I, but I understand
Starting point is 00:25:57 like not, we were just saying with Rachel Ziegler and some actor, some directors, they might, why am I glitchy? They might not want to do the big studio job. Hmm. Because of the restrictions and that's, that makes sense that Marvel puts it out there.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Up front, you know, we want to be able to basically make the changes we want to make and have the final call at the end of the day. But with that being said, I feel like I'm super excited about Chad because I love the John Wick series. Yeah. So I am a huge fan of that. And I think that it's shot really dark, a lot of action similar to what I would picture the next blade rendition being like.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think they wanted to go with the director of color, which is why they had all these directors of color who lined up to do it. And they kept replacing one with the other one with another one with another. But then they realized, look, we just got to get this ship in the port it's been six years it's been a lot of stops and starts
Starting point is 00:26:58 script changes marcia ollie not being happy about some of the results of the script changes so who can we bring in here that is a franchise veteran now after a few movies with john wick and understands what the taste of the audience is and got away with what a two and a half hour two hour and 45 minute john wick movie as a fourth installment that made i think 400 to 600 million dollars who can we bring in, Chad Stahelsky. This is a guy who is a very confident director who can step in here and take care of business. Fukanaga would have been really interesting, but I mean, no time to die is not a great film. It's a damn good James Bond film, but it's not great. It's not skyfall. So you, it's a law. Maybe they felt like maybe he was going a little bit too farther in a certain
Starting point is 00:27:42 direction. Chad Stahelsky is going to make it more mainstream audience-friendly entertainment, and that makes sense all around. So it's about getting it done. So I don't have problems there. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like I was actually shocked that they're doing this because I got really scared for a while. I was just like, Blade's not going to come out in the time that rehearsal Ali can play the character.
Starting point is 00:28:09 And it'll probably be another 10 years at this point if they do it. So I was just really happy with the news that they're moving forward. I think that's a great choice. I get the responsibility of finding the right director for the project. but I and I think that's a good choice. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah, and we'll see what the end result is going to be.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Fillmore Pockets, Blade, never. Yon Damange is not a director of color. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Basam Tariq is not a director of color? What is wrong with you guys? Of course they are. But yeah, I like the idea.
Starting point is 00:28:45 We'll see if it all plays out for itself. All right, well, let's take a break here and get in some ads Steph and on the other side we'll talk that Doomsday cast list and we'll talk the Mission Impossible story and maybe a little Scooby-Doo as well so we'll be right back right after this. The great rewards
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Starting point is 00:32:07 Yes. Okay. I'm behind on it, so I really need some catch up information. All right, let's do it. Let's bring it on here. All right, Avengers Doomsday, a great picture there of Robert Downey Jr. here. Let's read this from Dark Horizons. Marvel is finished revealing the full cast. I take exception to the idea of fullcast because I don't think that's true. Fullcast list for
Starting point is 00:32:31 Avengers Doomsday as part of a live stream ahead of the film kicking off production. The video, which ran for a total of five and a half hours just ended. It began with a glimpse of a chair with Chris Hemsworth's name on it before panning over to another chair with Vanessa Kirby's name on it and has continued ever since
Starting point is 00:32:47 with slow additions every few minutes culminating with Robert Dan and Jr., making a brief appearance. The list confirms the return of multiple major MCU talent that's still alive in the continuity, along with plenty of X-Men actors as well, and the new Fantastic Four and Thunderbolts teams notably not included here are variants or characters who either died or left, namely no Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow, Chris Evans' Steve Rogers or Elizabeth Olson's Scarlet Witch. Now, to be fair, Elizabeth Olson did say recently that she was not going to come back for Doomsday or Secret War. So I don't know why people are surprised that she wasn't included,
Starting point is 00:33:24 but maybe not everyone is up in all her interviews. In addition, there are some big existing MCU character absences, including none of the Guardians of the Galaxy or Eternal's teams. Tom Holland, Spider-Man, Mark Ruffalo's Hulk, Benedict Cumberbatch, Dr. Strange, Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye, Samuel L. Jackson's, Nick Fury, John, Don Cheadle's War Machine, Paul Bentney's White Vision, Charlie Cox's Daredevil, Oscar Isaac's Moon Knight, Bree Larson's Captain Marvel, Ryan Reynolds, Deadpool, Hugh Jackson's Wolverine, and more. But here is the complete list. Avengers, Chris Simsworth, Thor, Sam Wilson.
Starting point is 00:33:56 I'm just going to go by character names. Thor, Sam Wilson, Captain American, Shuri, Black Panther, Scott Lang, Antman, Chong Chi, Mbaku, Namor, Falcon, Loki, Loki, Doctor Doom, Bucky as the Winter Soldier, U.S. Agent John Walker, Yelena Bolova, Century, who they just dropped a 30-second new teaser of Thunderbolts
Starting point is 00:34:15 that focuses on Century that's out there for Yoder watch David Herbert, David Harbour's Red Guardian, a ghost from Hannah John Kamen, Mr. Fantastic, Sue Storm, Ben Grimm, Human Torch. Patrick Stewart is back to get killed again as Charles Xavier possibly. Magneto, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Dr. Hank McCoy, the Beast, played by Kelsey Grammer, Channing Tatum's Gambit. And of course, this is going to be released May 1st of next year.
Starting point is 00:34:45 So your thoughts, Steph, on this announcement? your thoughts on the reaction, your thoughts on the cast list and who's missing and the questions they have here. What are your thoughts? Okay. So some exciting names. I'm most excited what I've been most excited for the space in general is like just get me to the X-Men. Just get me to the X-Men. We're ready for the X-Men. I feel like it gives us that fresh new start that Marvel has needed. But I do like the fact that, you know, it hit my, I would always think about. like okay but we can't leave behind shang chi i feel like he was just getting started and there and i and i like the thunderbolts team and i like the i like haley sinfeld as hot girl and i like um
Starting point is 00:35:33 florence pew obviously so those are exciting i feel like i wish i was a little more excited for the o gs to come back i don't know if that's me or if it's them i think it might be A mixture. It's not the actors, obviously. I just more like, I want to know why they're doing that. Are they doing that because it really is what's moving the story forward? Or are they doing it because they feel like they have to bring back old characters to get new fans and old fans united and excited? And by that you mean RDJ, right?
Starting point is 00:36:13 And Chris Amvins and other the old school. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the old school that I thought we were leaving behind and we gave them our entire. I know, like, we've had time to process the R.DJ and he's going to be a different character. And that's really cool. And I, like, this is news is exciting, but I felt like a lot of this was stuff we did know, right?
Starting point is 00:36:35 Right. But kind of a guest, yeah. Yeah, there was a little that was new. So what were your thoughts? Did you watch the whole stream or the highlights of it? I'll tell you this. Had I known that you get 100,000. views off watching five and half hours of Marvel reveals.
Starting point is 00:36:51 I would have cleared my whole day yesterday and watched it. I started watching in the morning because a friend of ours sent me a link to it. And I was like, wait, they're just bringing out chairs randomly every few minutes. And this is not for me. This seems very boring. But clearly, what, over 7 million people watched this reveal for five and a half hours, which is really fascinating. people have a lot of time at work clearly to have a screen up and it's it's just an interesting situation to see the way it was handled i thought they should have brought out all the actors kalinowski tweeted back at me on x saying they should have had the cards going down because they're talking about playing cards and i think that would have worked but there were so many people here i think eventually wouldn't have worked to have so many of those cards on the table so am i excited by the cast list yes i think this is a bigger cast list that i was anticipated
Starting point is 00:37:46 I thought it was going to be a much smaller story, Doomsday, and then Secret Wars is where everybody was going to show up. But clearly they want to make this an epic film that lays the groundwork for what we're going to see in Secret Wars. And I think there might be a Spider-Man film in between, but we're going to see here all these different teams, all these different parts of the Marvel Universe involved in this. By the way, not a lot of villains were mentioned.
Starting point is 00:38:11 So will villains be involved? Because in Secret Wars, villains are involved in Secret Wars. whether you read the original one or the more updated one that is out there. Villains are involved in a big part of the Marvel universe. So I love that Shang Chi was mentioned because, man, has anyone been hard done more than Shang Chi over the last few years with a great, great movie that Similu starred in, but unfortunately no sequel yet.
Starting point is 00:38:38 I love that he's back. Mbaku being back is great. I love Winsden. Yeah, I got to love Mbaku. Yeah. The Namor thing was a huge surprise. I didn't know what they were going to do with Namor, and we don't know which side Namor is going to be on.
Starting point is 00:38:51 So that's an interesting choice overall. But I saw people complaining about the Thunderbolts. And we think about this, staff, because they were saying, well, why do I even need to watch the movie? They're all going to survive because clearly they show up in Doomsday. So do you think Marvel may have kneecapped their movie inadvertently by including them in the cast list?
Starting point is 00:39:10 Because clearly other people were not included that might be coming. Well, I wasn't expecting any of them to die. So I guess it didn't hit me. I didn't think about it like that. I don't need any of them. You know, you guys know me. I love a happy ending. So if you introduced me four to six characters,
Starting point is 00:39:27 I want them all four to six characters to be alive at the end. Because I get too invested. And so, and we were introducing a crew. So I didn't think, I just wasn't in that headspace where one of them would die. So I didn't, I thought we were moving forward with these characters in general as kind of
Starting point is 00:39:46 our new Avengers. Yeah. That's a great point. And I thought, though, that some of them might die in Thunderbolts because it's been pretty clear that there's a feeling that Kevin Feige is going to be doing some culling of the Marvel characters as we go into the new phases and either killing them off or just putting them away and not using them again. And I thought maybe some of the Thunderbolts because they're all, almost all, except for maybe
Starting point is 00:40:14 Bucky and Florence Pugh seem to be, you know, ensemble characters within the movies they were, or series that they were introduced in. So I thought maybe, just maybe that some of them would die. But clearly they're all going to live. All the Fantastic Four is in here, Steph. So basically, you got to see this Fantastic Four movie because it seems like it's going to lay the groundwork for what we are going to see in Doomsday for their roles in Doomsday. I would imagine, don't you think? Yeah. I'm most excited if it's, not X-Men I'm most excited about Fantastic 4 because I do feel like it's that breath of fresh air for Marvel and they're different and they give me kind of what the suicide squad. I'm not well someone said that in the comments in my head what Guardians of the Galaxy gave me like you know that underdog or weirdo or you know outcast team I love so and I love the entire cast all four of those actors are so great.
Starting point is 00:41:10 So that was a must watch for me anyways. Right. And but yeah, I think it's definitely you, you should watch it before, before you watch this movie. I think they hope Thunderbolts does well. I think they really want Fantastic Four to do well. So I don't think they mind. They might have kneecap Thunderbolts a little bit. But maybe there's stuff in Thunderbolts that leads us to Doomsday as well.
Starting point is 00:41:35 I don't know if they've done, you know, how long the, how far long the Rousseau's were in the whole process once they were announced, have there been seen shot that were added to the Thunderbolts movie to connect to Doomsday? So we will see when that comes out in just a few weeks. It's not that far away. But you mentioned X-Men. Go ahead. Yeah. I think that just last point on that specifically, I think it's okay. I think Marvel has seemingly learned its lesson that there was too many shows and people were so confused during Dr. Strange 2 that they just can't make that mistake again. And it's too much to ask of general population to watch the shows and to understand the movies. But I think it's okay and what we've proven in the past as a fandom that we can do is watch
Starting point is 00:42:22 the movies and be ready for the next movie. Yeah, 100%. And you mentioned X-Men. So let's, what are your thoughts on the Fox X-Men coming back here? As I mentioned with Xavier Magneto, James Marsden back at Cyclops, Cummings, Nightcrawler back, Rebecca Romaine's Mystique. Kelsey Grammer as Beast and Channing Tatum's Gambit who has never been officially in a Fox X-Men movie but was in Deadpool and Wolverine essentially implying he was part of the X-Men universe from Fox.
Starting point is 00:42:52 So what are your thoughts on this? I mean, no Famkey Janssen, there was no Hugh Jackman announcement. What are your thoughts on this X-Men being a part of this whole thing? I think that I guess why we're getting the OG Avengers back to in the same way that we would be getting in the OG X-Men. because this will probably be the last movie. Well, it's Marvel. So who knows? I said that about end game,
Starting point is 00:43:16 but here we are. But for this phase, it's probably the last time we'll see any of them, especially for X-Men. I think we're just being like, you might have seen these guys, but like wipe the slate because now we're getting the introduction of the new Magneto and the new mystique
Starting point is 00:43:33 and, you know, Dr. X and everyone, which, so it's like, yeah, I really want to know who's going to be the new X-Men, but it's seeming like this whole movie is a final hurrah for the OGs yeah yeah it almost feels it almost feel like like marvelous like Oprah over here is a you know we got something for you we got something for you you know and so the fox X-Men seems to be one of those things because there's a lot of people
Starting point is 00:43:59 who still love the Fox X-Men there's a lot of people who got emotional at the end of Deadpool and Wolverine because they liked that tribute that they played over the credits to the history of the Fox X-Men man universe and well actually the fox universe with marble because there's more than just the x-men in that uh video so i think there's this that feeling of of connection to it the channing tanem gamut thing i guess i'm not the biggest fan of that choice because i didn't really like him as gambit in that movie but i guess don't you think that this means that they didn't plan on using him for more movies but they're like if we bring him back one more time it would be this movie yeah exactly probably because the character yeah i love this interpret i thought he was so funny but to i see him moving a franchise
Starting point is 00:44:46 forward yeah that character rendition would be really hard because it was so i mean you would just have to go full comedy yes a hundred percent you'd have to go full comedy you know so i think a series is possible but i don't know if a movie would ever be possible yeah yeah kind of in the same way um i didn't know how they were going to do a series for the DC John Cena's character. Oh, Beasemaker, yeah, yeah, yeah. Peacemaker, but then they did, but it was so
Starting point is 00:45:16 specific. You have to, that's why I thought doing the show was such a great choice for that character. Agreed. Oh, listen, if James Gunn wanted to go back to Marvel and do a Gambit series that he produced and directed, I would a thousand percent be there. Yeah, I think so.
Starting point is 00:45:33 Kelsey Grammer's Beast, though, that's a massive surprise for me because first of all, I watched the new Frasio series. Calcy can barely walk. So to me, this is, he's an old man. This is going to be interesting to see how he plays the Beast character. And I can't believe that him playing it one time and not even the best installment of the X-Men movies has garnered enough, I think, fandom or love for his interpretation of Beast that they would use him in the movie. I mean, I like Kelsey as an actor. I really do, you know, politics aside, his acting i've always been a fan of kelsey as an actor so but it's an interesting choice that he's the one that kind of they bring into this but i guess because he was in the end of um the marvels they
Starting point is 00:46:15 have to keep adhering to that i guess yeah yeah i always think of nicholas holt when i think of yeah yeah beast yeah so maybe well i because he's doing lex leuther maybe he was tied up or i don't know I don't, but yeah, yeah, Kelsey Gramer's funny. I think that it's really probably going to be such a small scene. Yeah, yeah, probably just the smaller one to kind of make the transition or whatever. And we do have another, I think, addendum to this, because there's possibilities that more casting will be coming in here. Let's look at this real quick and get your thoughts here, Steph.
Starting point is 00:46:58 Following today's five and a half hour show, review, live stream of 26 names joining the cast of Avengers Doomsday, alongside RDJ. It turns out there's only part of it. In a posting after the release, RDJ said on social media, that's what you call a deep bench of talent. Actually, it's more like a row, but an extra long one. That must be it, right? But Marvel Studios account then replies that there's always room for more,
Starting point is 00:47:18 which matches a THR report saying that Marvel isn't done with revealing the entire cast, but it's not clear if or when another unveiling will occur. Production on the film has begun, but it's expected a lot of the shooting will be on interior sets and so the studio will be able to keep things somewhat secret. Certainly a lot of names of existing MCU actors and characters were nobly absent for the line of the most obvious being Chris Evans, Tom Holland, Bennett, Cumberich, Samuel Jackson, Chris Pratt, Mark Ruffalo, Ryan Reynolds, Jeremy Renner, Brie Larson, Don Chito Paul, Bettney, Benedict Wong, yeah, where's Benedict Wong?
Starting point is 00:47:48 Charlie Cox and Haley Atwell. Oh, yes. Both Scarlett and Elizabeth have previously indicated they're not involved. Both their characters having been killed off on screen and past MCU films. And some of the old X-Men film cast was there, but others were obvious in their absences, including Hugh Jackman, Hallie Berry, Famke, Jansen, Anna Pacquine, and Sean Ashmore, who played Iceman. Similarly, the lack of any cast
Starting point is 00:48:08 from Guarnas of the Galaxy or Eternal's movies raised questions. A lot of discussions also centered on the inclusion of Tenorchwerta's Submariner, his return, a surprise. The actor was accused of sexual misconduct in June of 2023, claims he denied no judicial complaints have been made against him. He has maintained his innocence and has spoken
Starting point is 00:48:26 publicly about the impact the claims of Adam's mental health. Filming on the production is expected to run. through the next few months. So, so who do you think we're going to see of these names? I know you say you don't want the OG stuff, but do you think these names are being saved for secret wars, Steph, or do you think they will pop up in, in Doomsday and have something to say? Well, I'm totally okay with them popping up. I love the OGs forever and always. I just want, I'm all about story first. So if it does help the story and add to the story, then yes like you've totally taken any sort of apprehension I may have had and made it into something
Starting point is 00:49:10 amazing so I look forward to that and like you know whatever the choice was Kelsey Grammer and bringing Gambit back like that's I hope it's awesome and fun and I can't wait to see it but in terms of these new names yeah there's probably going to be a handful it seems like they're just trying to get everyone they can in the same way that end game kind of collected everyone they can but this one's even a bigger universe to do it because they're moving into X-Men and Fox and um and like getting really obscure with different phases of Marvel and mixing it all together so the sky's really the limit I don't really have any particular I mean Hallie Berry would be super fun always um but I yeah
Starting point is 00:49:58 Maybe Brie Larson, but I don't, I don't know specific. Are you thinking anyone specifically? Like, oh, they have to come back? I would love Fanky to come back. I really love her as an actress. I thought she was great. I still think she's the best Jean Grey. We've gotten live action.
Starting point is 00:50:15 And no offense to Sophie Turner or anyone else has played it. I just like her Jean Grey. And I would love to be a part of it. And especially the old love triangle with Marr- If you're going to bring Marsden back and Hugh Jackman, like Brian Reynolds said, all throughout at Deadpool and Wolverine, he'll be playing Wolverine till he's 90, you got to bring Famke in to be a part of whatever's going on. And is she going to have the Dark Phoenix power?
Starting point is 00:50:39 Will that be a part of it as well? So I think there's a lot of questions around Famke, which would make it interesting to have her be a part of it. I don't know that Pac-Wen necessarily may be a part of this or Sean Ashmore, but I would love to see Famke. I'm not surprised by the Guardians, because that seems like, you know, James Gunn left it, and Fagy and him maybe agreed that that's it.
Starting point is 00:50:59 The Guardians aren't coming back. I think Pratt will come back because he's on Earth, but I don't know that anyone else will necessarily come back from the Guardians to be a part of this. Maybe, yeah, maybe Nebula, but everyone else, it seemed pretty clear that they've, that it might be done for the most part until they do a new iteration of the team.
Starting point is 00:51:18 Eternal's, no surprise. That was one of their most reviled films, although they are defenders of the film so i'm not surprised there uh i guess ruffalo because i mean we've had so many hulks and we're supposed to get a war war hulk so i would be surprised if there's no ruffalo and how can you not bring benedict wong in for god's sakes who's a ray of sunshine in the marvel universe so i'd like to see him yeah benedict wong would make sense too especially because the last time i don't know no it wasn't the last time we saw him but the last time we saw shang chie
Starting point is 00:51:53 we had Benedict Wong with all the female, like bringing them in. So it could be some connection there. Oh, Shang-chi, yes, 100%. Very possible. But what did you think of the event? And the timing of the event. I mean, this is very interesting. Why do this the day after you drop two episodes of Daredevil Born again?
Starting point is 00:52:15 Why do you do a stream that's five and a half hours and bring out chairs? Did you think it was ridiculous? or do you think it ended up accomplishing what it was trying to accomplish? Usually I feel like I'm in the know of when these events are happening. I didn't know what was happening. And I would just, I saw a conversation about it circulating on Instagram and Twitter, but I didn't actually get into it that much until this morning I was grazing it. And it felt, so in that sense, it felt underwhelming to me because I didn't think of it as an event.
Starting point is 00:52:51 they usually do with their big announcements. Yeah, yeah. And, but I think, you know, it's, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:52:58 has anyone done a live stream that's really, really kicked ass? I don't think in this way they've ever done it quite like this. I don't think DC or Star Wars or anyone has done it quite like this. And so it was an interesting decision, but clearly a divisive one, because there were some people like me who didn't like, and there's a lot of pun people in the pundancy sphere who didn't like it.
Starting point is 00:53:20 I saw heavy spoilers and Flickinger and other people kind of bashing it a little bit. But then there are some fans who pushed back and said they really loved it. Other people saying, well, look, seven million people watched it. So it accomplished its goal. But I mean, I think seven million people would have watched RDJ take crap in his hat. You know, it wouldn't have mattered. It was on the Marvel stream. But I think in the end, for me, five and a half hours seems like way too much of an ask.
Starting point is 00:53:44 And a bit of hubris there to lay this out. But maybe they felt people would pop in and out as they, as they did it all. It just seemed odd to me. Yeah, that is odd because it feels like there was just character announcements in this one movie was the main thing. And so that could have been done in 30 minutes or an hour. Right. Or press release. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess in the sunset, they didn't waste anyone's money. It's not like they went to a big Marvel expo and then got five hours of just that. Right. But so it is like, you know, watch at your own expense and if that's what you want to do then do that but it is like five and a half
Starting point is 00:54:26 hours that's longer than the super bowl. I know people are having to uh to certainly fill the time in between the chairs showing up on their a little bit of Christians for sure yeah I like what george says it was it was kind of anticlimactic I agree it was a little anticlimactic in the end for me but certainly there were people who enjoyed it um and had fun with it but you know again the end accomplished its goal of being part of being the main thing leading the conversation cycle in the world of nerddom so all right guys we're at 700 of you watching over 700 of you watching us live thanks for joining us we appreciate it madly make sure you subscribe if you haven't subscribed to the christian harlough channel a lot of benefits there for you all a lot of great reactions that
Starting point is 00:55:11 are up there for you all to enjoy uh and also we're only at 27 super chats are you kidding me step's a bra's on the show y'all 27 let's Let's go. Let's go. We got to go. Don't make me get in my car. I will get in my car. Okay?
Starting point is 00:55:27 There's 700 of you cough up some love here on the super chat side of things. Get us at least to 100 so we can have a little bit of a claim for the week. Maybe we won't get to four, but let's get to 100 for God's sake. I mean, this is Steph's a bra show or some respect people. All right. Let's get to our next story here. And that is Scooby-Doo. This is an interesting story here, Steph.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Let's take a look at this one here. And this is, of course, from Dark Horizons again. Netflix has handed out a series order for a live action Scooby-Doo TV series. Based on the cartoon Great Dane and his mystery-solving human friends, Fred Daphne, Velma, and Shaggy in the works for nearly a year. The series was created by Josh Applebaum and Scott Rosenberg, who did the shows From and Citadel, along with the executive producer Greg Berlanti. The former two will serve as showrunners. The modern reimagining is set
Starting point is 00:56:25 during a final summer at camp. Friends Shaggy and Daphne get embroiled in a haunting mystery surrounding a lonely lost great Dane puppy that may have been the witness to a supernatural murder. Together with pragmatic town, scientific, Towny, and the Strange but Ever So Handsome New Kid Freddy, they set out to solve the case that is pulling each of them into a creepy nightmare that threatens to expose all of their secrets. The property has been adapting. in the two live action films before and had animated and CG animated adaptations, but this will mark the first live action TV series
Starting point is 00:56:56 based on the property. Sarah Schechter, Lee London Redman, Andrew Nemick, and Jeff Pinker also executive, produce much of the Scooby-Doo animated catalog is currently on Max, because it's not Looney Tunes.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Unsurprising as Warner Brothers Discovery now owns Wonder Brothers Television and Hannah Barbera. So, uh, Steph, do we need another Scooby-Doo in our lives? We saw the one with Freddie Prince Jr.
Starting point is 00:57:19 and Sarah Michelle. Geller. There was a Scoob animated film that came out right at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020. I had the chance to interview the director on my channel, which was a lot of fun. And then there was the Velma series that came out on HBO Max that was kind of divisive for Scooby-Doo fans over on. I think it was canceled. So do we need another Scooby-Doo? Are we reaching too deeply into the nostalgia? What do you thoughts on that?
Starting point is 00:57:45 Maybe. Maybe. I think that they, I would love to know. who they're going for in terms of audience because it I don't know I could be wrong but I never hear kids talking about Scooby-Doo or watching Scoopie-Doo in the same way that the 90s kids did and I feel like the 90s kids were the last generation maybe early 2000s that really liked Scooby-Doo, the animated series, and then did watch the new live action movies that came out a few years ago. And they were fine.
Starting point is 00:58:29 They were like, they had some really cute moments. I don't remember them much. But I remember being like, that was cute. Yeah. I think I've seen one. I don't think I've seen. I think there was multiple. I didn't check out the Velma series.
Starting point is 00:58:41 And not because it looked bad or anything, I just didn't have a pull to it. So if they are going for 80s, 90s kids and, you know, a little bit older generation, then I would like them to go like more adult humor with it. And it would be a little dark, like dark humor twisted and it could be really fun take on Scooby-Doo. But if it's for the younger generation, then I don't know. I don't know if they have an interest. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think nowadays, and I think you have executives and producers at these companies
Starting point is 00:59:22 who are trying to bring their nostalgia through and think that it's going to appeal to a lot of people. And there have been numerous Scooby-Doo attempts, but none of them have ever been universally well-received. And even the movies weren't that well-received for some of the acting in those films, some of the box office results of those films tell you that. and the Velma series was kind of a divisive. And even the Scoob movie didn't do that well at the box office when it came out. I just, I think maybe they're, these executives are going to have to come to a come to Jesus moment, that there are certain things that you want to bring into the 2020s
Starting point is 01:00:02 and what have you. And there are certain things that are way too far away and you've got to accept that people don't care about that stuff the way you did. I mean, Harrison Ford is a great example. Like everyone thinks, put Harrison Ford in your, Yeah, on a TV show, shrinking, absolutely love it. But, I mean, how many of his films that he's come out with have underperformed where he's been the leader, been a co-lead on it.
Starting point is 01:00:23 You look at a Brave New World, you look at the New Indiana Jones films. Like, these are the things like, not everyone is clamoring for the nostalgia of the 80s or the 70s stuff. And that's how far back, I think Scooby-Do, Scooby-Doo goes even farther back. And I don't know necessarily that a new take on it is going to get people that's excited. I mean, would you be excited for new Casper, the friendly ghost take? I just don't think these things away in because there's so much more content that's come out. Look at how X-Men 97 did. That's a nostalgia that's current, right?
Starting point is 01:00:55 You can play with that a little bit more, whereas Scooby-Doo is like decades and decades and decades old. And I don't know necessarily that people will be excited to see it. That being said, who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe a lot of people want to see it and it'll be a big hit. But I just don't personally. Yeah. I do think this Scoop Scooby-Doo is a big franchise and I usually for bigger franchise, I'm like, let's get a lesser-known actor.
Starting point is 01:01:19 And while I do think that you can have a few of those lesser-known actors, I think that it would benefit off of having a massive younger big name, like a Jacob Allorty, you know, or like Sidney Sweeney or one of those where you're just like, oh, okay, like, that's fun. and I think that they would bridge that gap of generations. Yeah. That could be interesting. If you've got Sidney Sweeby and Sidney Suini and Jacob, but Lordy, I might give it a second to look. Yeah, right. I mean, and Sydney could play either one.
Starting point is 01:01:56 She could certainly play Daphne, but her take as Velma would be interesting for sure for a comedic. Yeah, but she probably won't play like the nice, sweet, innocent girl because I feel like after the Spider-Man movie. that you guys all hated. Madam Webb. I actually, people like, it's so unbelievable that Sidney Sweeney would be like
Starting point is 01:02:18 tossed aside. And I was like, I thought she was really cute as yeah, is she still a 10 out of 10 with like the old Hollywood trick of glasses and a ponytail and you can't tell that's a woman. Yeah, but
Starting point is 01:02:33 but it works. She's such a great actor that worked for me. Absolutely. the best i like this reboot the little rascals yeah exactly the little rascals we don't talk about enough whoa all right go ahead please the little rascals the i don't i watched the rendition let's see which rendition was mine it wasn't the first one it was the 94 one with bug hall um yeah that was my shit we love little rascals it was just the best
Starting point is 01:03:16 I don't even know if they need to redo it it was so so classic because now they would redo it and kids have too much internet phone like kids aren't as funny as they used to be like they used to have to do stuff like build forts yeah groups of hangouts they ran the streets because it was safer but they you can't do that what are kids going to do now it's like yeah in a little soapbox derby uh yeah they would never ever let kids do that no not today not in these days no um all right one last
Starting point is 01:03:55 story is little rascal did you did is it not a classic in you guys's house i i grew up with it but i grew up with the original black and white ones that's what i grew up yeah yeah so but yes the 90s film certainly did a nice job with the remake of that that was a lot of fun. But yeah, there's a great energy with little kids getting into trouble. But you're right. Like what trouble would they get into now with how technologically intelligent kids are from like two years old on? It would be interesting to see them on iPads and stuff. All right, let's do one last story here before we get to the super chats.
Starting point is 01:04:33 If you haven't sent your super chat in, start doing it now. We're almost at 40. so send them in now as we finish up our last particular story. And this is a Mission Impossible story that we teased at the top of this particular episode here of the Christian Harlov show. The eighth Mission Impossible to cost $400 million back in June of last year, shortly after delays due to malfunctioning, 25 million submarine, came word that Christopher McCorre's Mission Impossible, the final reckoning film was hitting a budget blowout,
Starting point is 01:05:04 a nine-month delay due to the strikes and other delays had below. loon the eighth Mission Impossible Films expenses. One suggestion being the project was approaching nearly $400 million. But a report at Puck News shot that claim down saying the film wasn't at that point yet, but expenses were running well over $300 million. Since then, further filming took place last year and today
Starting point is 01:05:23 while speaking on the town podcast, Puck's Matt Bologna, says the film now has indeed reached the 400 million budget mark. Let me take that down. If that figure stands, then the film would have to generate around $1 billion at the box office to reach. profit, though it's not clear yet how much that budget can be cut down via tax rebates from the locations. It's shot in. The highest grossing mission to date is the sixth film Fallout, which pulled in 791 million worldwide. The previous film Dead Reckoning took in just 571. Yeah, it did underperform
Starting point is 01:05:52 from a $291 million budget, losing the studio at least $100 million in a theatrical run. To date, the most expensive film ever made is J.J. Abram Star Wars Awakens, which came at net cost $447 million, but that grows 2.1 billion worldwide. A three hour cut of the film has been test screen recently ahead of the film's opening nationwide on May 23rd. Steph, $400 million. This is where we've gotten to in our society now. Your thoughts?
Starting point is 01:06:22 Crazy. What do you mean? In this economy? Who has $400 million other than the entire White House cabinet? Like, that's crazy. that's so crazy I just can't even I just
Starting point is 01:06:41 it's also shocking because this is the what is it the ninth installment in the franchise 8th installment in the franchise you'd feel like they have not a copy and paste thing going because every story is different
Starting point is 01:06:58 every cast is a little bit different but kind of a groove going like you know like a very streamlined process, especially with someone like Tom Cruise who has this laser focus and vision for his projects. It is a little surprising, but that's just how the industry goes. Sometimes I understand like everyone usually does reshoots of some kind. And there's with these huge action films and a lot of pressure, I get, I get how the budget moves up a little bit. But to get to that amount is pretty nuts.
Starting point is 01:07:32 It's kind of crazy, and I agree with you, it's nuts, because the last film underperformed, you're a $400 million budget when the last film only made $571 million. You're $170 million away from the entire budget of the film, of the box office for the current film that you're making. That's insane. That's insane. But this is, I think what we talk about on the show sometimes is this idea of these runaway budgets. And I get it. It's Tom Cruise. You know, there are worse actors to take a chance on
Starting point is 01:08:09 than Tom Cruise with way more terrible track records at the box office. But this last film did underperform. And them removing part two and changing the title, people know this is part two. So it's like it's that kind of thing. So I'm very curious. I think this must be the final goodbye. Like, we're going to give you 400 million, but that's it. It's done. We're not doing any more Mission impossible's with you we're going to move on from this we'll give you you get to do everything you want to do and then we're shutting this thing down you could be an EP but yeah to me that's crazy 400 million dollars and i don't know if this film's going to make a billion dollars especially if it's a three-hour film when the mission impossible franchise hasn't hit those marks with any of their even their
Starting point is 01:08:52 greatest ones have never hit that mark and so i would be this seems like it's going to head to a loss overall and god forbid if it's bad that would be a a train crash like Joker fully a do. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. I want this film to do great. I hope it does break a billion dollars.
Starting point is 01:09:11 I feel like Tom Cruise really is, if you just talk about his acting ability and him as an actor, he brings so much to this industry. And I do root for his movies because it is like this true love of filmmaking and being at like one of the sickest action stars of all time and i love the mission impossible franchise i think it's a really um really cool take on classic tropes and they always make the story unique and interesting and have so many different things going on it's not just as simple as not in a bad way but if you look at a john wick it's very simple streamlined which i love but it's like the opposite end of a great action movie where it's so in like i
Starting point is 01:09:59 I have to rewatch the movies to be like, what's the plot? Because sometimes you get lost in the plot. There's a lot going on. But I do think it was interesting watching both the fast franchise and Mission Impossible take these box office hits in their last installment, which they've, and surprising. So after they've built such great relationships with their massive fan bases. But I think it just speaks to really where we are. are in terms of movie theater going experiences where we are in terms of the Hollywood star and that not really existing as much in terms of getting us to the theater even when it's
Starting point is 01:10:43 someone like Tom Cruise. But yeah, I think it will probably be their last hurrah for at least Tom Cruise. I know he's looking for a successor for this franchise. But I think this will be his last mission and possible. Yeah, it might be. a mission impossible to get to a billion dollars for the particular film. Yeah. But you bring up a great point with Fast and Furious and Mission Impossible. It may be that people are just exhausted, right? We saw this with the Transformers films under
Starting point is 01:11:13 Michael Bay's direction, like the last two kind of was a law of diminishing returns. We've seen this with the Matrix franchise where people were just, even that new revolutions one didn't do that well. There are just things that people kind of have, like, you know what, I've seen what I need to see. I'm good to go on this. And there's not much more I want to see out of this. And you keep pushing the limits and pushing the boundaries. And it does feel like that's the ego of the actors who want to push. Like Tom always wants to do the craziest stunts.
Starting point is 01:11:41 And Vin wants to do all this stuff. Like push us into. We actually got into space in Fast and Furious. Yeah. So like you see that. But I think the fans are starting to maybe get kind of tired of it. So we'll see what the result of it. And someone mentioned, well, if it's good, who cares?
Starting point is 01:11:57 Sure. But it's good. Doesn't mean it's going to lead to great. box office just because it's good because people might just be tired of the franchise so irrelevant of the quality of the film and you're going to take an even bigger loss so we'll see right yeah we'll see i think with action movies too there's something to be said about that first wave of moviegoers because i feel like if anyone can ignite movie goers on a first watch and then get more people it is tom cruise like i remember watching top gun maverick and just being like like i call mehs like i call
Starting point is 01:12:29 my entire family, like get to the theater. So if he does something like that, then I could see this breaking a billion, but it would need to, like, yeah, let's, like, I hope for it. Yeah, why not? Yes, yes. Why not? We'll see.
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Starting point is 01:14:07 Derek thank you so much uh go pal coming in what's up go go pal he says this morning i saw another flag flying upside down and my brain flashed to the redford gandolphini movie the last castle i need to revisit that one what people flying flags upside down interesting uh do you remember the last castle step do you ever see no i don't think i've seen that yeah yeah so i think it was in the early two thousand's film and I think Mark Ruffalo's in that film but yeah they're all like in some prison and they have to or their prisoners of war or something like that and they have to figure out how to get out of the situation so interesting thank you go pal Shaw McCabe says yesterday felt like a nerdy battalion ruck march right because it was five and a half hours so a nice military reference there
Starting point is 01:14:51 that you had to march well in the military uh in basic training they do this they train you up physically that by near the end of basic training, you have to wear a 50 pound pack on your back and walk, I think, six miles or 10 miles. So it's the whole day you're walking and marching in the boots, in the whole full camos. So it's about to, it's testing your endurance and testing your strength and how much you can handle.
Starting point is 01:15:22 And it is an all-day march. You start at like eight, I think, and then we got to base camp at four or five. So it's an all-day marching. Damn. To test your endurance. Yeah. And I'm sure.
Starting point is 01:15:34 I'm guessing no music. Other than our chanting. No AirPods. Yeah, that's tough, my guys. That's tough. Yeah, I had blisters all over my feet after that. Oh, my gosh. It was not pretty.
Starting point is 01:15:51 Chris A said, thoughts on Daredevil getting his DDs in leaked season two photos. Yeah, but I mean, is it that big of a surprise? that you see the DD logo on his chest. I mean, it is Daredevil, so you knew it was coming eventually. So I don't know, Steph, it doesn't seem like that big of a thing to leak. No, I don't, but everyone cares about something
Starting point is 01:16:14 a little different with characters we love. That's true. That's true. King of the Wicker people says, Support, gonna watch on rewatch. Good luck. Thank you, King of me. Thank you. Mike Joyce says, I'm loving Daredevil so far. I'm surprised to see people complaining about it.
Starting point is 01:16:30 What do you think of the series so far? far I like the slow burn pace step what do you thought so we're not on it because i'm catching up harry to the prior three seasons so we're going to just get to it probably when we can binge all the episodes so but yeah i don't mind a slow burn pace so it feels like i'm going to like it i'm excited to get into it though what about you i think with darren we did our review yesterday on the geek buddies the last two episodes which is up on my channel and my feeling for this is that I'm enjoying a lot of what Charlie Cox is doing, but I think there is an uneven quality to the series overall.
Starting point is 01:17:11 That's, it's, it skews a little bit unrealistic and a little bit softer in certain things. And it undercuts some of the more brutal aspects of the show. For example, there's a certain person who is taking blood out of a young teenage girl in the last episode. And I'm like, wow, this is pretty brutal. but everything that led up to it was a little kind of mealy mouth so it doesn't really hit all the emotional beats you wanted to hit so that when you get to that reveal you're like oh my god so for me it's a good series but it could have been a great series and it's not quite hitting the heights that i was hoping it would hit so that's my thoughts on that uh mike also says rachel is such a good actor apart from shazam too well i mean
Starting point is 01:17:54 i don't know if i ever watch shazam too oh really? Yeah. I've seen the first one, but that, that's funny. I mean, yeah, most people, it's turning a not great perfect performance in their career. Yeah. I mean, imagine wasting Helen Mirren, Lucy Liu and Rachel Zegler are one movie. It's not good. My question says she's been great and all she's been in.
Starting point is 01:18:21 If the hate continues, I think I might become like the leave Britney alone guy and be the leave Rachel alone guy. I get it. Like all this fixation, there's way bigger fish to fry, guys. Yeah. She just checks all their boxes, all some people's boxes, right? She's an outspoken woman. She's a woman of color. And she actually has a logic to the things that she's saying.
Starting point is 01:18:42 And that infuriates people across the board. It's a lot of men across the board, unfortunately. Right. And she's pretty. Yeah. And she's pretty. That's true. That's true.
Starting point is 01:18:59 recently. No, I have not, Dennis. I've been so busy, Dennis. I have not had a chance to sit down with any comics. What are you, Rachel? Do you read, sorry, Steph, do you read comics, anything you read? No, I haven't read a comic in so long, too long. I'm trying to think of the last one. I don't know in a long time. And I never was huge on comics. Right on. Okay. Yeah. I picked up superwoman girl of tomorrow because I know that's what they're shooting. So I'm going to, or supergirl woman of tomorrow. So I'm going to read that one probably this weekend so oh that's fun yeah just see if i compare it to the movie once it finally comes yeah dennis obfries highlander officially dead i don't know i don't know have they said that i haven't seen that anywhere yeah i haven't seen that i don't watch that uh do do no i haven't seen anything uh i'll
Starting point is 01:19:48 take a look on it dennis mike joy says are they making a hawk to a movie who would you who would you not real is hawk to a girl i don't know if that's real wait is that let me let me me look hawk to a movie no way is it happening uh oh upcoming documentary the truth is actually more bizarre okay thank god okay because that would have been just like really really desperate because it's not a story i mean it's a line it's a viral moment and it was funny and i'm if i i think it's really smart that's She made a podcast and doing all of that now. Like, hell yeah. That's awesome.
Starting point is 01:20:34 But the movie would have been crazy. I'm trying to think if I was to cast a movie, let's see. She's blonde, cute, southern girl. I don't know. Do you have any that come to mind? Sidney Sweeney. I know. She's like, I was trying to think of someone different because it feels like, okay, okay, let's see.
Starting point is 01:20:56 Okay. Oh, well, Elf. fanning is way too classy way she is just like regal yeah Chloe Grace Moretz that could be cute she's funny Chloe's in her I mean I don't know how old Hawk to a I don't know how old she yeah I guess she's like 22 or something really young yeah Chloe is Chloe is 28 so maybe maybe yeah okay yeah that could be I took that question too seriously I love it. Mike Joyce already said that.
Starting point is 01:21:33 Mike Joop didn't mean to send that in twice. Thank you, Mike. Shelf presence. They are all earthbound heroes rest show up in Secret Wars. Probably, maybe. We'll see how they play that all out. But they've got a few movies before Secret War. So we'll see where everybody pops up.
Starting point is 01:21:52 Luke Skywalker says, love the show, especially with John and Steph. Thank you, Luke Skywanker. Thank you. Appreciate that. I'm two flight games and I couldn't care less about Marvel how excited are you both for and or I think Disney is terrible with PR and specifically women actors it's been a trend yeah certainly that's certainly they've yeah and other people pointed out how the Marvel cast list only had five women in it in like 25 or 19 men or 20 men so yeah what about and or I'm so excited for andor I've been so so so excited for andor it's like the light at the end of the dark tunnel that we have going on. I just, I think it's,
Starting point is 01:22:36 I don't want to speak too soon, but from the groundwork they've already laid down, I feel like it's going to be good in the least. And hopefully it's fantastic. So I'm, I'm so looking forward to it. Yeah. I submitted for the season and to get them early.
Starting point is 01:22:54 So hopefully I will get them early. I'm crazy looking forward to it. And they're saying, us apparently all 12 so you will get to watch I remember last time it was just the first three right yeah first three yeah yeah yeah that may be the new disney policy because they sent me all of born again as well ahead of time so that's like that probably makes your life so much easier so much easier to record the reactions ahead of time Kirby chriscos has sending support for two awesome people thank you I love the hot mic and I'm team steese for life
Starting point is 01:23:26 Hell yeah. Yeah, just a quick reminder of hot mic today. 4 p.m. PT live, me and Jeff Snyder just throwing that out there for you all who watch. Nice. Joey Bedras. What's up, Joey? He says, do you think it's a mistake to keep using Fox Universe X-Men and not focus on introducing newer actors? I think they need to let them go.
Starting point is 01:23:46 Interesting questions. Steph, what do you thoughts? Yeah, I think that's what we're goal. That's the goal, but they're probably just trying to do an appropriate new introduction to the X-Men. and bridge these generational gaps that they have going on with the X-Men in particular. And I think that they tried to do that low-key and Dr. Strange too, but that was a blob for a lot of people. And a lot of people had no idea what was going on.
Starting point is 01:24:16 So I feel like they have to, like, re-hit the message. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's a mistake in the sense of like, because you're bringing in people who love the Fox X-Men. universe but i do think they're they're close to overplaying their hand with them like okay great they're coming back one more time that's it stop bringing them back like it's over let it go right and so i think that's where because we're not getting the adventures and stories in between their appearances so we're just relying on old nostalgia and bringing that into the current stuff
Starting point is 01:24:54 but clearly they've lived lives, had interactions, had adventures, battled evil people, but we don't get to see any of that. So how much weight and gravitas, dare I say, are we bringing to this Foxxman if they're not being assisted in that way? Christian Unpronounceable says, the only people I want back are Agent Colson and Daisy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, that'd be fun.
Starting point is 01:25:18 Yeah, I agree. Leon. What up, Leon? Thank you very much. She says, for me, it doesn't matter how many stars they have. For example, Endgame built the excitement and anticipation on 10 years of great movies and engaging stories. Doomsday is built on years of disappointed movies and TV shows. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:35 Yeah, I mean, if the movie doesn't land, this would be a synopsis of what went wrong. It would be that they didn't do that. But if it goes well, then we just, we have to negate what you said, Leon. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yes. But yeah, I mean, this is their chance to kind of maybe write the ship. Because people always say it's not always how you do things. It's how you end things that people remember.
Starting point is 01:26:01 So if they end it well with Doomsday and Secret Wars, then people won't, people will kind of revisit or reassess those previous films a little bit, I think. Felix says new PTA film looks amazing. Yeah, I know they dropped the new trailer today. I've not seen it. Did you see it at all? I haven't seen the trailer. No. But that's exciting.
Starting point is 01:26:23 Yeah, I agree. When Emperor says a five plus hours was ridiculous, horrible idea and execution. All right, cool. There you go. Yeah, I hear you. I mean, I don't think I could watch five and a half hours of anything. Good point. Ewok says, instead of RDJ, imagine if Denzo, Washington, or Tom Cruise was sitting in that last chair.
Starting point is 01:26:46 It also might have been worth the five hours. That's fun. I think that they... really love their oh geez and like don't know like it's like to them which i'm not saying is a bad thing or but i will because we'll see how the movie goes but it's like they are marvel and our dj is i think they think this is exactly who the fans want and we're just going to focus it around him so we'll find out if that's real or not yeah yeah 100% agree to that go passes i can't imagine watching the Marvel stream. Well,
Starting point is 01:27:26 seven million people did. We all have different kinks. Go pal. There you go. I'm with you, brother. Peter Kalenko, as am I. I didn't watch it either. Peter Kalenko, thank you, Peter. Very kind of you. Dennis
Starting point is 01:27:42 Hoffman says jumped in and out of Christian stream. Koi was on the, on then Jeff, then Winston felt like a fun telethon. Mars didn't get a pop post JD and Sonic iconic in my house. There you go. All right.
Starting point is 01:27:55 Oh, I didn't know Jeff popped on that. That's cool. Yeah, that's, yeah, Marsden's fun. I need to see the new Sonic movie. I heard it's the best one of the three. Yeah, right. I've not seen it yet. So I'm Paramount Plus.
Starting point is 01:28:08 I've not seen yet. I've got to catch up for sure. Mike Joyce says, if there's no scrappy-dew, we riot. Okay. Kingsportcals, don't come to my house, Roka. Absolutely. Well, he sent in a super chat, so I won't. So you're good.
Starting point is 01:28:23 You're safe. Yeah. Go Pal also says, I was out all morning and early afternoon, then came in at 3.30 and skim through Christian stream over like 90 minutes. That was enough time for me. Yeah. That sounds smart. I feel like you have an effective schedule that I would adhere to.
Starting point is 01:28:41 Peter Kalenko and or season two looks great. If it delivers, and I think it will. Can you consider the two seasons and Rogue One as trilogy that rivals the OG? Wow. Also, will you guys be doing reaction with Cinnapal's and Geek buddies. You can speak to Sineapal's stuff. I know we'll be doing stuff on the geek buddies for it, but yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:01 What do you think, Steph, two seasons in Rogue One? Is that a trilogy that you would put up against, even though those are TV series versus movies? It's a cool thought, and I love where your head's at. I just don't think it's the same thing. And so to me, it's like a non-starter.
Starting point is 01:29:17 But do I think it should be considered as one of the best stories being told in the Star Wars universe absolutely i think that it i love rogue one i love season one of andor so if season two delivers then those will be that will be a great star war story which it feels like that's been their goal is to create star wars stories that are outside of the original trilogy but to me i don't think it's possible it's well i wouldn't say that because anything's possible. It will be so, so, so, so hard for any franchise, but specifically its own franchise,
Starting point is 01:29:59 Star Wars, to beat the original trilogy because it is like the, you know, one of the best, the top three trilogies of all time. Yeah. Everything Steph said. I agree with it. Are you going to be doing reactions of Sinapal's step or no? What do you, what do you? Oh, no. I don't. I, I look so forward to watching them as soon as they come out at home. I can't. I can't. Yeah, I can't. Derek says there can't be only 27 Roca. I gave you over 20 myself before the show started. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:30:30 So there must have been a lot of support from you on that side, Derek. We only had the first four. So I'll take a look at. Okay. So we get a proper number here. Yeah, that would be a lot better than because we're at 49. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Derek.
Starting point is 01:30:45 Very kind of you. Uh, Go Paz says the SMG movies were good, but I've never been able to stomach an animated Scooby do show without the original voice cast. Well, I mean, I think they're all dead. The original voice cast. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:58 Yeah. But, okay. Good to know, go pal. Goop Ellis says, okay, OG Scooby reruns were a mainstay on channel five or 20 in D.C. When I was a kid. Yes. I grew up in D.C. as well. Channel 5, Metro Media 5 and channel 20 WDCA.
Starting point is 01:31:15 Those were the stations you went to to watch the little rascals to watch Scooby-Doo. to watch all kinds of stuff. So I hear you, Go, pal, for sure. Yeah, that's great. I didn't know you grew up in D's zebra. GoPowell also says, luckily Sydney didn't have paint to paint on her overalls or even the bad guys wouldn't have gone after her.
Starting point is 01:31:35 Oh, for Madam West. Didn't have paint on her over. Oh, yeah. Good points. Hysterical. Peter Kalenko says, make scobs into a series with true blood for a spooky vibe, White Lotus for Location Change Drama vibe,
Starting point is 01:31:48 following digital nomads writing in a camper. van. That's fun. Yeah. Maybe a Texas chainsaw massacre approach. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun.
Starting point is 01:32:00 Trey Porter says, good afternoon, guys. Steph, great reaction to from Dust Till Dawn. You and Christian's face to the twist was priceless, L.O.L. You guys, this movie was insanity. You can so clearly see when one director took over when it was Quintan-Taron. Tino's half and then when it was Robert Rodriguez's half and that was the most stunned I think I've ever been in a movie. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah. Great points. Great points. I remember being in the theater when that thing came out. It was insane. It was insane to watch it
Starting point is 01:32:39 there. Go Pals. I grew up with Eddie Murphy, Buckwheat for the Little Rascals. Yeah, on SNL. That was funny stuff. Yeah. Formal practice is my bad. Sorry. Okay, Fillmore, no worries. i'm too like as long as scooby isn't as bad as avatar i'll watch like avatar the last airbender movie or avatar james yeah i think maybe james cameron i don't know what you got to be specific i am two fly cam yeah yeah who are you talking about uh yeah because one i can hear you out the other is no Yeah, blast me. Jonathan O'Jegger says, I don't care what Rachel Zegler. I don't care that Rachel Zegler is young and talented, a Latina, old, rich, poor.
Starting point is 01:33:25 I came from a troubling past male female or whatever label she wants to put on herself. She's not immune from accountability and dumb action, man. Yeah, nobody is saying she's immune. Who said she's immune? But, you know, we said we're not sure. We said like she has a right to say what she wants to say on those red carpets. You can have an issue with it, but clearly a lot of people are supposed. supporting her for using her platform to express her points of views politically. So yeah,
Starting point is 01:33:54 no one's saying she's immune from it. I don't know why you're getting that. Do you, do we say that, Stefan? No, we didn't. And she never put any labels on herself other than existing, right? So like we all have, you know, external labels that you can just see pretty clearly or make an assumption about just from looking at me. You could see a few things. But so I don't think she's putting any of that on herself and she's certainly not using them as in an abusive way to gain victimhood. So I don't know. Maybe that was miswording there. But I also feel like in today's world where like really bad stuff is happening and really bad people are doing really, really awful things that affect people's livelihoods and whether they have longevity in life. like her not speaking perfectly, but not hurting anyone, I feel like it's a really weird, like, we should punish her. I just completely disagree with that. Yeah. Yeah. I agree.
Starting point is 01:34:58 That's the thing. People speaking out more about stuff that's going on, that should be what's happening with the platforms that people have if they want to use it that way. Yeah. Mike Joyce, have you seen the studio yet? I love it so forth. Yes, Mike, I've seen the first eight episodes because they got the screeners ahead of time. Oh, great, great series. Are you watching this stuff? I highly recommend it. It dressed dropped last night, right? For everyone else. So I haven't gotten to it. I'm going to get to it tonight. I'm so excited about it. It looks super fun.
Starting point is 01:35:30 Yeah. The second episode will have you climbing the walls because it is. No way. It's essentially that scene in swingers where he keeps calling her back over and over and over again for 30 minutes. It's like a 30 minute. That energy for 30. minutes throughout that that second episode. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, highly recommend that one. J.Mobile, J. underscore mobiles is one of the coolest parts of the Doomsday reveal was all the theme songs for each character revealed.
Starting point is 01:35:56 Even a song for Doom, I can't wait. Well, I mean, they had eight to 12 minutes to fill. So why wouldn't they have played the theme songs, right? Yeah, that makes sense. That's cool that they all have theme songs. Yeah, and they played them there to get people excited. Um, Morimuth Hounts says Rocha and Steph. Yes, please.
Starting point is 01:36:17 How was death of a unicorn? I did not see it. Did you see it, Steph? No, I haven't seen it yet, but I'm looking forward to it. I feel like those, the two leading cast is, like such a pull. And just the title of it and the premise, it seems weird and funky. I'm hearing the reviews are kind of falling stale. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:38 Or it wasn't as funny as people wanted it to be. so um but i'm gonna just hopefully come in fresh and not worry about that and see how it works for me yeah i have three movies to see this week in death of a unicorn uh working man the jason state of one in black bag so once i get a chance to see those i got to see those for sure j underscore mobile says like step i'm so ready for x-men excited to see them in avengers doomsday but hoping for some type of passing of the baton for the new x-men crew right yeah that that'd be great if that's like if they do get introduced in this movie that would be pretty insane yeah right uh go pals uh speaking of marston i just rewatched disturbing behavior i had such a crush
Starting point is 01:37:23 on katie holmes in the late 90s her intro shot was iconic in that movie i don't remember disturbing behavior yeah i don't either he was in he was he the uh was he the guy oh yeah i guess it is james Marsden with Katie Holmes oh wow he's so young look at him and Nick Stahl the dude from Terminator rise of the machines oh wow okay I don't even remember this one a new kid stumbles across something sinister oh it's a horror thing all right interesting all right there you go shout out to marsden Sean McKay broke on my door's always open for a battle buddy come on man not with that beard of yours I'm going to shave the beard off first and then we'll see what's Joey Pedra says, I think the new Scooby-Doo show can work if they really lean into the horror.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Riverdale worked for a little while, Twin Peaks meet Scooby. I don't know if that would work, you know, because you want kids to watch it. So. Yeah, I think they'll need to find a good balance so everyone enjoys it. Yeah, yeah. GoPel also says also the first shot of Claire for Lonnie and Mallrats might be the best thing Kevin Smith has ever photographed. Yeah, I remember that. Okay.
Starting point is 01:38:37 Yeah, yeah, interesting. I like that. I remember that shot. Bulldog, 31087 says, regarding the snowy box office, my question is, was there a huge demand or interest in another live action interpretation of the story to begin with? I was wondering why the movie was even made. Yeah, Step, that's one of the reasons you were, I think you were alluding to earlier. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:59 Yeah, I think this is a valid question. It's definitely my question as well. I think that maybe there was some confusion because when the announcement was made and the trailer dropped, there was a ton of views on the trailer and kind of this excitement. But I do it's like so quickly we forget. I think a lot of the excitement was due to the cast. Like people really liked Rachel Ziegler as Snow White when they were first hearing this. So, but I think in general, at least for me, I feel this. Like I just didn't really need to see another Snow White, especially because it was the first one.
Starting point is 01:39:34 and it was so simple, short, and great that I didn't, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think she, I think this stuff's 100% right on that. Yeah, it was, people weren't clamoring for a new one. And the end result wasn't that great. So, yeah. Michael Baldwin, I think there could be a story with Hawk Tua. Rags to Riches from a factory says something viral becomes kind of famous,
Starting point is 01:39:57 makes tons of money, allegedly gets involved in a major cryptocurrency scam. Yeah, I think down the road, we're going to get a, series right there's the one that's out now with kately dever i can't remember the name of it about oh yeah apple cider vinegar yeah apple cider vinegar the girl in australia who'd lied about her yes yes i think i agree there could be a show down the line for sure especially if there's a major cryptocurrency but i think it will be more like an homage like it was based on this but i don't think it's like should be called hawk to uh or whatever her i don't think it should be a biopic i think it's It's like this is like a like you read like oh, that's crazy history fact that happened.
Starting point is 01:40:38 Like let's make a story out of this and kind of change it a little bit. Yeah, agreed. Agreed. 100%. Peter Colenco says Nick Frost cast as Hagrid. Great choice. Who would be your serious and Voldemort. Well, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:40:54 Is that official? I don't think is the Nick Frost thing official? I think it's just rumors right now. So let me look that up real quick because I don't think that's a, oh. no, no, uh, deadline reported it. Yeah, okay. Poise to play. Okay. Okay. So HBO decline comment. So it's not 100% assured, but it's a great choice. It's a great choice. If he is their choice,
Starting point is 01:41:26 serious and Voldemort, I don't even know. Um, what do you think, step? Is anyone who could play, who could step in the shoes? of Gary Oldman for God's sake. For Voldemore, you mean Ray Fines? Ray Fines for Volta. Oh, serious black. Yeah, yeah. I was like, oh my God,
Starting point is 01:41:44 I get to correct Roka. He's never wrong. These names. Look at this. Okay. Yeah, Gary Oldman will be so both of them. It's like, what the heck? And Sirius was, to me,
Starting point is 01:42:00 serious and Fred were like the biggest. hits on I because I'm a twin so I was like no no way are you doing that like like that is so so mean but serious was just like the best character ever so I don't know who they would because it feels like those are yeah I haven't really thought about this at all like I I don't know, Jeremy Irons maybe as Voldemore. Oh, that's a good choice. Yeah, I don't. And then maybe if this is kind of crazy,
Starting point is 01:42:42 but like a Tom Hittleston as Sirius could be a different type of take. I don't know, though. Sure, sure. I'm going to throw Matthew Reese in the mix for Sirius, the guy who was just in the Perry Mason show and he's, just played George Carlin in the Saturday Night movie. He's such a really good actor. And I would love to see.
Starting point is 01:43:06 And I think you could bring that Gary Oldman type of energy to Sirius Black and still do his own version. But Voldemort is a lot tougher because it all just depends on, we haven't even seen the kids yet. I think you'd have to cast the kids and then from there pick a villain actor who could really play Voldemore well. I don't, I like the idea. I mean, Cumberbatch, maybe. Maybe, maybe Cumberbatch, but I like the idea of. Yeah, especially because he's so because of his, how am I forgetting the dragon's name and. Oh, yeah, smile.
Starting point is 01:43:39 Yeah, yeah, he would be good at if they, depending how they do his face and shoot Voldemort. Yeah. Because I know that was a lot of VFX. Right, right, right. That could be interesting. Jason Ashcroft says, Rachel will be fine. she's very talented and this will pass I do think two things can be true
Starting point is 01:43:59 Disney can be a bully and Rachel did herself no favors with what she said and can face consequences absolutely Jason yeah because consequences are always perspective it's always subjective rather like some people applauded what she said some people didn't so that's the thing but is it really the reason
Starting point is 01:44:16 for the film tanking or is it that the film is just not good because people will overlook a lot of shit if the movie is good as we saw with Wicked you know for sure Go palaces, I never got through Cameron's avatar. The half animated style is 100% uncanny valley. I think true lies in lesser Terminator 2
Starting point is 01:44:34 or the only times he's made something worthwhile with money. What? Go ahead. Go ahead, step. No, we're not going to do this. In this house, we stand James Cameron. What are you talking about? And for the time, was it 2009?
Starting point is 01:44:53 That avatar came out. that's what you thought back then like were you from the future? I'm confused. I feel like everyone who was in the theater even if you didn't like the story, I get the Pocahontas conversation. I
Starting point is 01:45:06 understand the white savior complex. I get it. And I get if that it didn't work, but visually visually, I thought we were all in agreement. You're totally fine to have your own opinion. I just love
Starting point is 01:45:23 I mean, I have such a soft bought for both James Cameron and Avatar. Yeah. I agree with everything Steph said. I totally recognize the issues people have with the first Avatar movie. But man, I've seen that film, I don't know, 10 times now and twice an IMAX. And it is gorgeous, including the re-release. And it is gorgeous in IMAX.
Starting point is 01:45:47 And the sequel was damn good. And it was just as beautiful. And I'm looking forward to the one coming out later on this year in December. member. Me too. Sorry, pal. So Jason Ascroft says,
Starting point is 01:46:00 all I can say is at my job in the corporate world, any political take for any side or left, right or left gets you fired and isn't tolerated. Well, I think that's fair. At least it's equal across the board, if you want to speak and what have you. But this is a creative situation.
Starting point is 01:46:17 So Hollywood and everybody in Hollywood has a history of speaking out about it. So like I mean what are we going to say that Mel Gibson's pro Trump views affected the box office for that shitty plane movie that came out a few weeks ago with him and Mark Wahlberg that like sank in the water like a crashed plane? No, you're not going to say that
Starting point is 01:46:41 because it's a crap movie. So at the end of the day I think it really is about the quality of the film and yes, does some of the comments affect some people going probably but all of that can be overridden by a damn good movie and neither one of those were you know right flight risk i think is what it was uh jesus is just my perspective i'm not right or wrong i'm just sharing that i don't think either disney nor rachel are victims at all okay yeah i mean i don't i think we're like constantly changing the goalpost of what we find offensive or what an actor or an athlete should or shouldn't say and then so you're mad if they don't
Starting point is 01:47:21 say something. You're mad if they do say something, but at the end of the day, these are all individual people who have the right to say what they want. Yeah. Yeah. Simon section says, John, Steph, I'm curious, what are your plans for April 5th? I'll be at work, hopefully super chatting with either one of you. Why, is April 5th an important day? What's April 5th? I'm like, so behind. I don't know. Something happening? It's a Saturday. All I have in my calendar is that I have to pay bills on on the fifth on the fifth April 5th is the 95th day of the year
Starting point is 01:47:57 that's all I'm finding anything else yeah I don't know what else it would be but you know if it's Saturday I'm having a good good time I'm having a good that's what I'll be doing maybe I'll do a live stream Simon
Starting point is 01:48:13 on Saturday which I rarely do and you can just contribute throughout the whole live stream unless that's a wrestle I don't think that's WrestleMania so I don't think that is April 5th. All right, Cooley Hicest says, hey, fan, what's up, Cooley? Hated the Avengers casting yesterday. Disappointing. Anyway, so good seeing you both.
Starting point is 01:48:31 Going to see Woman in the Yard, supposed to be super scary. Oh, yeah, that's out this weekend as well. Jesus. It's a busy time. I love this. Hated. Hated it. That's, yeah. I do Fly Games, says, next Netflix Avatar, obviously,
Starting point is 01:48:47 LOL Cringe Fest. Wow. Okay, so Netflix's Avatar. okay okay oh right uh interesting i liked it yeah i thought it was a cringe fest yeah uh callie kid says i just saw micky 17 and it is amazing loved it i also liked to micky 17 did you ever get a chance to see it stuff no i i'm so embarrassed that i haven't seen it yet because i'm such a bong junho fan and robert patinson so i need to do it yeah it's i think it's already streaming like video on demand, I think. But then, yeah, but yeah, I liked it.
Starting point is 01:49:25 It's such a good film. I really enjoyed it. All right. I think that's all the super chat stuff. So, well, let's get on out of here and end another episode of the Christian Harlov show. Always fun to see you. I rarely get to do it. So it's a special joy to hang out with you. Please let people know where they can find you and what you got going on. At Steph Sabra.
Starting point is 01:49:46 And we'll be doing, we're supposed to be doing our. World Girl send off next Wednesday. So we'll keep you updated in our Discord about that. But other than that, just on social media at Stuffsabra. All right. Are you guys ending the show? Is that what's going? I didn't know that.
Starting point is 01:50:05 Oh, no. Yeah. No, no. Nothing bad at all. We're just like so busy with other projects and work right now that we just can't give 100% to it. So we just want to, you know, have a good like ending note for that specific channel right now, but we're still working on stuff together.
Starting point is 01:50:23 And so, yeah, yeah, it's all, it's exciting stuff. Awesome. All right. Well, thanks, Steph. Great to see you. We did get more super chats. We did? Oh, we did?
Starting point is 01:50:33 Oh, wow. Okay, we're still in here. All right. He says, hopefully my perspective didn't offend. I appreciate you both a lot. I just get exhausted from the politics on both sides. Hey, man. Didn't offend at all.
Starting point is 01:50:45 And I totally hear you. It is exhausting. Very exact. Because everything is political now. Like everything is political now. It is exhausting. Go-Pel also says, I've been down on Cameron since Titanic. Also, I watched T-1 and T-2 on the same week in eighth grade and wasn't a fan of all the callbacks in the script.
Starting point is 01:51:02 Wow, go-pal, you sound like a very difficult person to please. Well, you also have an incredible memory. What do you mean that you remember what you did in the eighth grade and specifically the callbacks in the script? Like, that's incredible. Are you a genius? Yeah, you should be making these movies go, pal. If you have this much knowledge and this much awareness of what works and it doesn't work, it's time for you to start making some stuff for God's sake.
Starting point is 01:51:30 Clip this out and play this on your iPad every morning when you wake up. Go make movies. Go do it, go, pal. Sidney Hoggart says, fan of both of you, what's your favorite novels? That's a massive question. Yeah. I'll just give you one. and that is Caleb Carr's The Alienist.
Starting point is 01:51:51 That's my favorite novel, period, ever. But there are a lot of great ones that I've read over the years, but I can't remember right now. Steph, do you have one? Yeah, probably, it's so hard. Like, all the major fantasy novels I love. Right now, I'm still on the Sarah J. Mass novels, but, you know, Tolkien, the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings,
Starting point is 01:52:13 have a special place in my heart. There you go. Simon Section says, yeah, Super Channel live stream April 5th. You may have seen magazine Dreams by that. Oh, that's right. Add that to the effing list. Yeah, but be at a regal cinema all weekend.
Starting point is 01:52:30 Go pal says, I actually like most movies, but T2 didn't click for me. All right, go pal. But it's grown on me since. Okay. All right. Well, we did it. Now we did it.
Starting point is 01:52:42 Now we did it. Now we're done. Okay. Thank you, Steph. You already said you goodbye. It's great to see you. Love you madly. We'll see you soon. All right, everybody.
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