The Kristian Harloff Show - WAS X-MEN 97 SEASON 1 THE BEST SEASON OF MARVEL TELEVISION of all time?

Episode Date: May 18, 2024

X-Men 97 was a hit for Disney Plus and Marvel. Wehave had the conversation before but now that it has concluded. Is it the best season of Marvel television to date? Rumors have Ryan Gosling playing Ghost Rider? What do we think? Spiderman 4 rumors. We talk Daredevil and why the change in tone was one of the smartest things Marvel has done thus far. Join us on Big Thing Capes And Cowls with Kristian, Winston and Coy

How's it going, everybody? Happy Friday. And like I said yesterday, I know it's a later show. Give me a break. We're starting up the new studio and things are starting to move. So this might be the first New York studio show that you're watching. We're setting it up. We're prepping stuff up.

Yeah, we know. The wall looks like a prison. Clever. We're coming up with some more stuff. We're adding lights. We're doing more things to it. We're building it out. Brett's literally building it right now as we shoot.

But we're going to do a full capes and cows today, me, Winston, and Coy. and we're going to be talking about a lot of stuff, man, X-Men 97. It wraps up. Was it the best series Marvel has ever done? There's some MCU rumors, whether it's stuff with Hawkeye, and there's Spider-Man rumors. There's casting rumors. Ryan Gosling addressed the whole ghost face killer. No, he didn't.

Not Ghost-face Killer. That would be an interesting one. That wouldn't go well if he played Ghost-Face Killer. But he did play the whatever, the Ghost Rider guy. I got it. I got there. Zach Ephron rumored to be doing something in the MCU, Deadpool and Wolverine stuff,

and Daredevil, pretty much confirmation from the cast that said that before they decided to reboot had no ties to the Netflix series at all. So that's a lot of stuff, man. So if you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, how about you subscribe? That's all you've got to do is you've got to hit that button. If you've been tuning into this show and you haven't subscribed yet, well, then I think the answer is that you're dead to me.

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Here it is. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. It is Capes and Cals, Christian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall, Coy, Gendro, and a cat named Spidey. And, of course, all of us here in our first New York show. We did it, guys. Bam!

Yeah. You already know what a deal. That's right. I'm not going to say the thing that I said before we started the show. I'm not going to do it. Well, we're going to say the Knicks are going to win. Is that what you going to say? Damn, you've been getting back in a stand-up. I'm proud of you.

I think you. You've been killing it. Thank you. I appreciate that. I wore their shirt today because it represents the East Coast. This is a New York base. There it is. Look at that.

We're at New York. Spide cat. We're all here. It's an honor of the great city and pizza. That's right. And so it's good to be back. It's good to have us all back here, too. and the idea that, look, we are going to be doing our show.

We're going to be doing here. We're going to have a couple more shows where we're going to be all in studio. And then we're going to be able to do it. So this is the thing I love about this new program is that you got all of us. So if you want to see me, you got me. You want to see Winston? You got Winston. You got Winston.

You want to see all of us together. Look at that. All of us together at once. So we had a lot to talk about guys because there's a, as I said in the title of this, the question now lies, and I think we've talked about it once before, but now that X-Men 97 has officially wrapped, is it the best show Marvel has ever done? Because we had the conversation when it was like two or three or four in,

but now it's wrapped. Season one is wrapped. So I ask you guys, and I'll start with you, Winston, on this, is that question one, is it the best show that Marvel has ever done? And then I'll also give you a maybe more complicated question is it the best season of television than Marvel has ever done or neither? What say you? I would say that it is definitely the best season.

I'll give that. I think the one thing working against it is just the fact that Daredevil has had multiple seasons. And therefore, in my opinion, you're always going to give more credence to, whether it be athletes, TV shows, whatever, something that's longer in that regard and has run its full course. If this was all the show was, then you can make the argument, okay, we don't see anything else coming out of this, but Daredevil did what, three seasons and they're technically going to have a kind of fourth soft reboot type situation. But if you're talking pound for pound just a straight season, I honestly don't believe it's close. I think that this ran away with it. It started to take

a lead at Remember It, Episode 5, and I think it really closed it out. I know some people have various things that they're upset about with the end of it. I think that it is so hard to stick landings, and this did so exceptionally well, in my opinion, that it's going to be very hard for, in my opinion, for anything else to touch it. And I honestly think so far, not only is it the best TV show of 2024, the boys, the bear, House of the Dragon, they're all going to have to come legit to try and unseated, at least in my mind. All right, Corey, same question for you, man. It's like, you've seen it all.

You've seen the, every Marvel show, every MCU show. So, and I know you're a big X-Men guy also, and you've been loving this show. Same two questions. Question one. Is it the best Marvel show? And is it the best season of Marvel television? I am a huge X-Men fan, but I got to be totally honest about my connection to the shows prior. and I think that is my third favorite of the shows

and is third favorite of the seasons, just to be full transparent. I'm going to give it to Loki Season 2 is my favorite show season, but I honestly think the only thing that beats that is Daredevil Season 2. So Daredevil Season 2 is number 1. Loki Season 2 is number 2.

This is number 3 as far as season. And really trickily, I would say that because of some of the things I didn't love in Daredevil season 3, Loki is actually my number one show and then Daredevil is my number two show and then X-Men as an entity is my number three show. So it's a slight reverse order with one and two

but it is my number three in both categories. I think that both Loki and X-Men have an episode that I didn't think was as strong as the rest of the season, which is in both cases I think like episode four. The episode in Loki where we all agreed that we uniquely all agreed.

Oh, was it two? I think you're right. For Loki, it was two. And I'm talking about the Motendo episode for X-Men. You didn't like the Motendo episode. I didn't love it. I liked it. I thought it was a great episode, but it's not on par with Loki or on par with the

rest of the season. So I would say it's a dip from like an A to a B. And I think they both share that B dip because I didn't hate episode to a Loki, but I don't have a moment I can go, and I don't have that for Daredevil. I don't have a single episode in seasons one or two of Daredevil that I find like a singular dip. So for me, they're not quite that strong. But as far as seasons go, that's a tiny problem. And it's still like, there's what, a hundred Marvel shows probably? Yeah, there's a lot. The only thing I was going to push back on for me personally, and this is just my opinion,

I think what did it for me with the Motendo slash Life Def Part 1 is both A, obviously, they split up Storm Story into two episodes more or less with, uh, with her main story be, being her trying to refine herself more or less. And then B, I think the fact that Jubilee not only got an important life lesson, but that came back up in the finale as far as she's not just someone who just kind of shoots little sparkles at somebody,

but she realized that her powers can't evolve and get stronger. The whole point of that episode was about her growing, and because there was a payoff to it, I actually give it more credence versus that episode of Loki. I don't, like, the flaws we had, there wasn't like a payoff to the flaws, if that makes sense. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

But that's just me. Yeah, I get what you're saying. And I think that when I look at this show overall, I mean, I think they were all going to be saying the same thing, though, which is any one of those shows that we, and any ranking that you guys just gave, I don't think there's, you could push back and go, wow, you're crazy for giving that ranking.

Completely understand it. And I think Winston, you would even say it, too, that I think one of the things inside of the X-Men as of right now is that it's that you are in the, the honeymoon phase of X-Men. right now, right? And it's like, and it's recency bias and it's all that. And that's fair when you're so

jacked up on, in the same way that when I walked out of Furiosa, I was like, oh my God, I just want to see Furiosa again and is it as good as Mad Max? And I sat back and I was like, I don't think I like it as man as much as Mad Max. And I don't, but I like being in that world and I like that. I'm not saying that you are not going to have this same opinion

in a year for now. You very well could. But I'm also on the boat of like this. is just such a very well-made show. And what it got, what it did for everybody, was it got everybody excited for the X-Men again, and you were already pumped for them because you just want to see them, and you were like, I just want to see it done right.

Well, this is doing it right. This is doing it. It is showing you the capacity of what the X-Men are capable of, not only as actual heroes, but actually the show itself. And that's why I was excited. However, I will say that I think I'm going to side more on Koi's rankings because of my initial point. And that's only because of the idea, like, those shows meant so much.

And as you marinated with them in my head, they got better and better. Now, I do not, and I won't ever agree on Star Wars rankings, but that's a different story. It's a different topic. Empire, Jedi, the rest. And by Jedi, I mean last, not return of. Did you say Empire first? Yeah. And then who are you?

Who are you? Empire has been first. Last Jedi has just been second. You're a liar. You're a filthy liar. Check the ex receipts. I'm pretty sure he did say that. It's just that you don't like his last Jedi as second.

Yeah, I think you get mad by the second part and you forget the first was always that. You're a filthy liar. But either way, I'm on your same page when it comes to the rank because both Daredevil and Loki season two were just phenomenal. And when it comes to the multiverse stuff, I mean, when multiverse is done right and time is done right, you're going to get me. And there's a show that I'm watching right now on Apple. This is this dark matter show with Joel Edgerton. and Jennifer Connolly, which is the same type of thing, and it's just handled well, I'm on board. You got me.

When it's good writing, I'm on board. X-Men is good writing. So I think that none, whatever ranking you do, wherever you put it, whether you think, do I, now, I'll answer my own question. So I think it is the best Marvel show that they've ever done? No. Do I think that it puts out the best season? It's in the conversation.

It's in the conversation because the other thing that really good TV shows do is water cooler moments, get people excited about it, get people amped up and continuously waiting for it week in, week out, and also start to compare other shows and telling you, oh, I wish you would have done what X-Men 97 did and done week to week. And I heard that often. So it's in the conversation. I don't know what to put it as number one, though, but it's in the conversation. I think the other thing to keep into consideration with it, obviously for us that are a little bit deeper into this franchise. this company as a whole and what they're doing.

I think Loki reinvigorated a lot of us as far as, okay, the MCU is kind of writing the ship a little bit. I think the big difference maker that X-Men 97 did, X-Men 97 brought not only the people that like have been following the Marvel and what they've been doing in the last few years, you brought people that like really haven't messed with superheroes since they were kids. Now all of a sudden they're talking about it. Now all of a sudden you have people that don't mess with it at all that we're getting involved. We're like, no, no, no, no, no.

Remember that thing we did the night? Like, they're doing this, this, and this. And I think that's the one differentiation is that X-Men 97, when you look at how Marvel has been faltering pretty hard. And we've been looking at, uh-oh, is there superhero fatigue? Are we done here? Now all of a sudden, people are super amped up. Well, the only pushback Winston that I have there is I think that you're right when it comes to inside of our circle. And when it comes to, I think you're absolutely right,

the people that used to watch it and knew that it was coming out and hadn't watched superhero stuff in a while. I said, oh, I used to like that as a kid. I wondered if this is any good. And they just kind of get that, as you said, they're rejuvenated. They're watching it. They're excited.

They want to see more of it. Oh, I'll check out this other Marvel stuff. What I don't think it necessarily crosses into is bringing people who normally, A, don't watch animation, B, just, you know, you look at something like Avengers. Avengers brought in everybody. Like everybody. It's why it's one of the most profitable movies of all time.

I don't know if this pulled people in just because in the way that nobody knew what Game of Thrones was when it came out, right? And then when people started, when the words started spreading out how good it was, more and more people who didn't know the books or anything watched Game of Thrones. I don't think that happened with X-Men for 97.

I would also argue that Daredevil did a similar thing to what Winston is describing. I do think this brought in some Fairweather fans and some people that I'd left him behind. Yeah. But I also think that Daredevil allowed an entire universe to exist in Netflix that thrived for almost a decade or like what, seven years. Like it went between all the Daredevil stuff, the Defender stuff, Punisher, Jessica Jones,

Luke Cage, that wouldn't have happened without Daredevil. So I feel like Daredevil was a launching point on TV while, you know, Cap, Thor and Iron Man obviously launched on movies. So I just, I think that that X-Men is absolutely in that conversation. But it's been 10 years next year since Daredevil. And it's still a saved, yeah, and that I feel old. Someone tagged me in that saying that when Daredevil drops, it's going to be the 10 year anniversary of it dropping on Netflix.

And I had to, you know, schedule my colonoscopy. But yeah, it scares the crap into me that it's been 10 years, but it's also an awareness that Netflix wouldn't have existed without how good it was. So I think that X-Men is doing that, especially with the finale setting up so much, but time will tell how that feels in two years. I feel what both of you were saying. I guess my only pushback is we've said this before. If something is just standout phenomenal, regardless of what it is, people are going to tune in.

So like you said with Game of Thrones, most people had no idea about the Song of Fire and Ice and all that. It wasn't until people were like, yo, you need to see this. I think that that is, and I do understand there's a little bit of recency bias. But I think that the name, both Loki and Daredevil, again, within our circle, things like that, people know who those characters are. And then they cared enough to look. Sure. I think X-Men just because of what the name X-Men means, period. So people immediately thinking about Wolverine, everybody's got a favorite mutant

or is at least heard of one of them. I think that that had a little bit more of the general mass appeal draw, even if it is animation, because people were having those water cooler moments and talking about it. Now, I just didn't see a crossover from people like that don't talk about this stuff. A lot of that are really like deep into it, right? like where like my brother who's a big fan of pop culture and more so where like I always bring

out my friend John Pinto who doesn't know what oh there's a new Furiosa coming out like my brother knows what movies are coming out he knows this too and and he probably knows but X-Men 97 and he likes the X-Men but I don't believe he's watched it and I think I've told him that it was really good it's just like the I wonder the interest of the mainstream media uh mainstream media I'm excuse me mainstream uh fans or just like you know the average movie goer, pop culture, watcher, how much across over it. It clearly did well. It was one of their highest rated shows, but as far as what metric, I don't know. I guess the thing that's interesting is because

while you say that, I feel like on the opposite end, I did see a bunch of people that I have never heard speak on any of this. Like my sister being one, even though she's a screenwriter herself, she knows everything that's going on in there. She's seen all of the MCU movies, but she doesn't care. And then all of a sudden, she was like, did you see this? It was hit me up. But again, but your sister's in the industry.

Which I understand that. I was going to continue with. Then on top of that, like, homies that I haven't talked to really since college or high school, same thing. They only care about sports. That's their entertainment. Were they X-Men fan? But were they X-Men fan as kids?

They've seen it one way or the other. That also is tricky. The 90s, you know, planting a seed 30 years later, where it's like, I don't think the average person knew who Daredevil was. and then the show took off. But that's my point. I think that it did, first of all, if this was a live action show

and it was written the same way it was and it played the same way it was, it would be 10 times even bigger than it was. And there's nothing to look. And as Adam, and that's, and the opposite of that, if Daredevil had been an animated show written the same way, same emotions, and as fantastic as it was,

wouldn't have crossed over the same way it did for Netflix. It just, it just wouldn't. Some people, fairly are unfairly, I think more so on the unfairly, won't watch animated because they think it's for kids, and it isn't. It's animation, clearly this show is for everyone, but it does transfer over to that, that to a lot of people, they think, oh, animation, Disney Plus, oh, it's for kids. This show is for everybody. This show was for everybody, but it just, that's getting off track, though, in the fact that it was a phenomenal show, and it should, for the quality, be in the conversation, for sure.

And I love that we all agree, top three. out of a hundred shows. Yeah. There are so many Marvel-based shows, and this feels very cleanly in that top three, which feels just great in the present day. Because I would argue that some of the other ones that would maybe be in the conversation, like, say, a Wanda Vision. Yeah, I was going to say that.

Stellar through, but then, like, didn't quite stick the landing. I, see, but you and I are different on that. I loved the ending because I... I did, but people's most complaints were we were doing all this really cool stuff, and then you gave me kind of a standard Marvel fight, and, like, kind of in the middle of it before we got back. to really wrapping it up solidly and that being it's something enough that people get pulled out of it i've heard a number of people go i was on board and then the fight kind of took me out of it and then like

i kind of like what they said at the end there but like they they took it down yeah it's fair totally fair and i and there's there's other ones that played pretty well but those this is going to be one regardless of uh recency bias or not i think it's going to be in the conversation for a while the question is going to be whether or not they can stick the landing on season two and that is what goes from in the same way that you mentioned the bear before like the bear was a great season one and you're like okay it's season one what can you do for season two and they said hold my beer here it is and man that show got even better it was even hold my seven fishes yeah right it was even better um so now the question is without bo de mayo there well can they do it time we'll tell

time will tell i i personally think that the outline he'd laid out and the vision he had for it is going to allow i'm more worried about season three uh i'm not i'm not worried about uh like the team they hire i'm more worried about you feel like a shift in tone like because all the writers i've talked to all the directors i've talked to they are just as passionate as any of us they are rider die x-man fans the writers and directors alike but if you've got a vision that goes to a certain point and then you you change the leader it doesn't really matter how much everyone else is dedicated as hopefully whoever the new leader is is but that's what we won't know until season three well let me give you an example this again bringing up my brother um he was talking about he

is ghostbusters frozen empire just came out right and i i didn't mind it i didn't mind it um but my brother hated it hated it and he said this is such a different movie in tone from the first one he's like that can't be jason wrightman i go it wasn't wasn't him um he produced it but he wasn't directing it. And Grant, it's not a director, but it's a showrunner, vision. Now, it's not to say that whoever they bring in to showrun the next one won't have a very similar take and won't continue that tone, but it's certainly, it's certainly a concern. I mean, that was one of my favorite shows of all time, community, greatly suffered from losing

their showrunner. Another one of my favorite shows of all time, the boondocks, greatly suffered from losing the showrunner. Dexter. Dexter. Dexter. Dexter. I was going to say, there's a big one.

After four, after four, yeah. Yeah. He came back. He came back for the last season. Yeah. Was it too little too late? I never saw it. I was scared.

It was, it was much better. It was much better. But it was a way to close it out. But yeah, but, but I totally agree. Yeah. It's one of those things that again, if you want to go to sports, sometimes it's as little, it's something as little as a coaching change where all the talent is still there. But there's a different.

and they're maybe running the same place, but there's a different energy in the room. Yeah. And that's what I do want to, go ahead. I was going to say, I do want to credit the rest of the team because I do feel like everyone we've talked to, any interview you see,

Baudemayo is obviously the one online and the one being, you know, credited because he is the showrunner. But every single person I've talked to that's been involved at all is probably the biggest X-Men fan I now know. Like they're all in that top 20 conversation. Right. And I think Marvel deserves credit for hiring every tier at that level of zeal. So sorry to cut you off, Winston, but I do think all the, the team leaders were also

crazy zeal. It's just a matter of how that's going to work when they collaborate under a new co. Well, here's another difference too, and you want to look at something like Game of Thrones, right? Where Game of Thrones, the quality definitely dipped on the, on the show once the books ran out, right? So, and that happens sometimes too. And look at, look at the Hobbit when there was, tried to stretch one book into three movies, or you look at the fantastic beast when you try to just take whatever it wasn't condensed it. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But this is based off of comics that pre- they really exist. It's just a matter of adapting those comics that are already there. They did that throughout this entire season. So as long as they have people like you said,

Corey, who really know the material, understand the material, understand the characters, which they seem to do. They've got the blueprint for success. I agree with that. So that's it. That's our topic as far as, X-Men goes. Now, I ask you guys, do you think that it is? I'm going to ask you guys the very same question. I hope that everybody answers this one of whether or not you think it's the best MCU or Marvel or best Marvel and is the best season. Please comment because I'll tell you what the old YouTube says done lately. And I don't know if people have been seeing this. I learned it recently too. YouTube's changed your algorithm, folks. Again? Oh yeah. I just learned the

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Here it is. It's been rumored for a while, but now we're getting more of a confirmation here. Daredevil stars Charlie Cox and Vincent Donofrio have revealed that the original version of Marvel Studios Born Again featured no direct links to the Netflix series. Since 2021, Charlie Cox's Matt Murdoch and Vincent Donofrio's Kingpin of Crime have shown up in various MCU TV shows. We've seen The Man Without Fear in Spider-Man, No Way Home, She-Hulk Attorney at Law, and Echo with Wilson Fisk appearing in the latter and Hawkeye. However, these two haven't shared the story. screen since Daredevil wrapped up on Netflix six years ago.

That's set to change in Disney Plus's Daredevil born again. And in an interview with TV insider, Danafir revealed that the revival originally featured no significant links to Daredevil. To which he says, it originally wasn't going to be at all. But now it's a lot. The actor's set of crossovers between the two. Coxtime didn't say there's a lot of them, presumably meeting Foggy, Nelson, Karen Page, Bullseye, and the Punisher who were all MIA in the previous iteration of Born

Again, as for what led to the change, Cox said, I think it's the fans. I think it's the studio as well. That's a really fine balance to strike, he added. If you're going to remake a show and call it season one, and it was a successful show, and it was kind of a love, and you've got to do what people liked. But also, you've got to have a reason for remaking it. So you have to change it up a bit, and that's just a really fine balance to find. I think that they've done a beautiful job doing that,

and hopefully the old fans, the OGs, will love it, and also will pick up a few more fans on the way. As for what we can expect from his return as Daredevil, the actor said, it's still such a privilege to put that suit on and to still be the age that I'm at and still be able to play a superhero. I don't take that for granted at all.

My knees are a little bit more sore. My back and neck are struggling a little bit more at my neck and my back, and they'll have to pry it off me at some point. It sounds like Marvel Studios has done the right thing with Daredevil Born Again and all signs currently point to it being the series that Daredevil fans have been waiting for.

Still, can't help but wonder what the previous iteration of the show looked like. I don't know. Just how disaster this might have been if the original showrunners had been allowed to continue without Kevin Feigy stepping in. Who knows? I guess if you wanted to see a car crash, then maybe then that's exactly why they were talking about them. Yeah, but that would have been a car crash. I mean, that would have been such a bad move. This goes back to a conversation, guys, that we've had many times on this show, that where you're like, okay, well, why are you making this decision?

Are you just making this decision because you're trying to appease people? Are you trying to just cater to people? Like, what are you trying to do? And like, why would you change this when, as Charlie Cox said, here's a show that was super popular. It only stopped on Netflix because of the whole Ike Perlmutter thing and other things were happening between the MCU and it was just a bit of confusion. And it was, and it got, it wasn't yanked because the fans didn't.

didn't care about it anymore. It was yanked because of stuff that was going on internally. So when you try to do this whole new thing, well, it's multiverse versions. And everyone's like, why? You did it right. And then you see that version of what they did with Kingpin in Hawkeye. And you're like, who's that supposed to be? And then, you know, even I thought Charlie Cox was good in She Hulk.

I really did. But it was anybody who was involved in that particular tone, not fair. But it's not the daredevil that we saw. So the same thing. Good on them for saying, you know what? it's time to look at it. And I think, Corey,

you said this a long time ago. It says, I think you should be more thankful saying, okay, at least they stopped, they looked at it. They said, this is not what we want.

This is not what the fans want. Reset. We lose some money because it was stuff we already shot and it's not working out. I would rather lose the money and shoot something quality. Are you on the same page,

Corey? Yeah, you can only come back once. I always say, like, you can only release a movie the first time once. All these director's cuts

and other editions, it's hard. because if you've got a movie come out, that's what people are basing the experience off of. And I do think this is kind of the Iron Man two example on TV, where in Iron Man, all the Easter eggs felt like they were a little more in the back burner. They were exciting for fans.

But I always talk about the Captain America Shield. And the first Iron Man, it's in the background. And the second Iron Man, he uses it to change the levels of an experiment he's doing, and it felt literally forced. And to me, it seems like there are people that, that's right, that was a forced pun. But it seems like to me there are actual objective uses of multiverse.

And then there's also suits that see it as an opportunity to just do, well, we can do whatever we want, just use these actors because it's the multiverse. And this to me sounds like they were going, well, let's keep these actors because people like them. But let's make this Spin City-esque show, which I'm one of the people I do like She-Hulk. And I do think that it would have been a fun show. But I would much rather have one season of Netflix's Daredevil Tone show than five seasons of something. Like, that is just fun. I want some things to be gritty and grounded.

And I'd love to have, you know, more like that, but not at the cost of Daredevil and not using the actors in a different way. So this to me feels like there was at one point a great moment at the end of phase three where they realized, oh, multiversal, we can do infinite things. And they had that weird stockbroker, Wall Street, Silicon Valley mindset of infinite growth, infinite growth. Like every streamer thought it was going to grow forever. And they were like, let's just plug in these things.

And now we're entering a contraction. And in the contraction, they're going, what made people love these characters? What made this work? Let's do more of the thing that made us love them, not more of the thing that's going to potentially sell, but alienate the viewers that got us here in the first place. Winston? I think Koi kind of hit the nail on the head that I'm going to not say it's traditional name because this is a show that we see kids on watching.

But you know how people in the stock industry and in Silicon Valley are known for uh, uh, booger sugar, if you will. That's what it kind of felt like as far as ideas of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, and throw, and throw, and they're going to make money and money on money on money. That's what the MCU has felt like recently. Not just the MCU. I would make the argument all of the industry is that that's why you end up with a $300 million budget for Indiana Jones when Harrison Ford can barely use his knees.

Sure. So like I think there has been a refocus on. when the art is good and remembering that it is art, then the money comes. And I think that that's exactly what, Koi said, they said, okay, why did this work? And then they went back to the drawing board as far as doing that. And I feel like that's what we're expecting out of Deadpool as it comes around the corner in a couple of months and what they have been doing with all of these reshoots for,

you know, Captain America for, for like the Thunderbolts that just started up. up. They really were like, okay, we got to focus up here because we just let anybody that pitch something just go for it. Yeah, and I think that it's also a matter of, like you guys both said, I think that they were trying to like cut corners, you know, and it's like, well, we don't need foggy. We know, we don't need camera. We don't need them. It's, it's okay. You know, but nobody's, that's a different show. These are, these are the multiverse version of them, as long as we have, everybody loves Charlie. You can see like the studio version of it. Everybody loves Charlie and Vincent. Everyone loves Vincent and Donofrio. Let's do. That's fine.

As long as we have them, it's okay. And then they said that a couple of times. I think even Fagie had said, yeah, these are not those versions. And everyone was like, what? It went over like a fart in an elevator. It was like. And it's confusing optically for the day-to-day audience. I think that's the biggest thing.

Yes. Yes. If you're someone that doesn't follow this like the gospel we do and you're just like, oh, Dear Devils back. And then you sit down and that's why my kickback from Spin City. I love Spin City. I'm not knocking Spin City. Is that what they said?

But you keep saying that is that they said, it was going to be Spin City? They said it was a lawyer-based comedy that was a procedural lasting 30 minutes running 22 episodes. To me, that's been sitting, right? Wait, wait, wait, did that about Daredevil? Originally, originally. That was the original was going to be 22 episodes, 30 minutes,

a comedy lawyer show. I think that that's why they were teeing him up the way that they were teeing him up in Sheeulk to go into that. And then, yeah. I agree. I was just going to be like, didn't we just try that with Sheehold?

Right. I think they were going to be like a companion show. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what that I will say this. If Sheeulk would have went over well with the fans, they would have stuck with this. Now, what I don't want is things not to be experimental because I do think you experiment with new characters, right? My only concern of this contraction is, as you guys know, I'm a big Eternals guy. But even the characters that started phase one would have been considered experimental.

So taking out the Koi in the comments loves everything and Koi liked Eternal so he doesn't have a right to say anything. Take those people out of the equation. Iron Man experiment, Cat experiment, Avengers experiment. So I don't think you experiment with Daredevil. I don't think you go, I'm a guy that liked one through three,

I'm a sit down and watch Daredevil, what is happening? But if you want to make something, Sheehog didn't work for a lot of people, but those people got to see something they like. And there are other shows to play with. They tried something new. With Shehawk,

they tried something new. I didn't like it, but they tried something new. And if Daredevil doesn't need something new, it is, you know, that's the old, if it ain't broke. Don't fix it.

You know, again, Christian, with the building out I've been doing with the YouTube channel, the main thing, there's two big differences because, Coy, you mentioned phase one. I'm in phase one right now, right? That means I can literally throw whatever at the wall and see what sticks and the thing that works, you run with it. So for Christian, you had a situation of with his channel, he was doing big thing regular, he was doing SIP counsel, he was doing capes and cows, he's doing all of that. And he just tried because he had something set, the U.S.

P stuff and look what that actually became versus there have been other things that you've put up here. Like, we thought the pork chop sandwiches, Koi reacted to that was hysterical. And that video ate a turd. And so that's the thing. The pizza reviews. So you can try new stuff if you're situated, but you cannot sabotage the things that work. Otherwise, your your paycheck is gone. And that's what we're going to start talking about Star Wars on this show.

I'm going to be confused, but I'm going to try. but I think that would make the audience go like, I guess they have cakes. They're more like cloaks, but while we're here? Well, using that same example, right? It's like when we, we knew that the three of us,

we knew that we liked talking, the audience like the chemistry when we were doing the rewatch, but there was only so long we could do the rewatch because the rewatch, what people would do, they would tune in for the big one as Spider-Man was coming out. People would watch it. It's like,

okay, well, we like what you guys are talking about, but I'm not going to go see the new Toy Story movie. So I don't know if I'm going to watch that Toy Story Rewatch. So I don't know if they like watching us talk about us, And we like talking about the comic book movies and you guys can teach me stuff and I can ask questions. And we can do. Why don't we just do something else? We call it capes and cows.

And that's what we did. And we've stayed consistent on that because you listen to what the audience likes. And that's what the audience wanted from Daredevil. They wanted what they liked and they gave it back to them. So hopefully it works out. We'll see. But I ask you guys, what do you think? I can't imagine that there's going to be anyone in the comments section.

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season two, reportedly being discussed. There's also an update on Nova. Will it be Sam Alexander or Richard Ryder? Here is Mark Cassidy over a comic book movie. We have some rumored updates on two potential Disney Plus MCU shows here with Ms. Marvel, reportedly being discussed at Marvel Studios and more details on the studios plans for Nova. So far, Loki is the only Disney Plus Marvel-based series that got a second season, but we're now hearing that a sophomore run for another popular show might be in the cards.

According to Daniel Rickman, a second season of Ms. Marvel is being discussed. but a final decision has not been made. We hear that Kamala Khan is being... We have heard that Kamala Khan is being positioned as a major player in the MCU going forward, so a second season of her solo show would make sense. That said, Khan's big screen debut,

The Marvel's massively underperformed, which might well influence Marvel Disney's decision. Somewhat controversially for a long-time fan of the character, Khan was revealed to be a mutant in season one finale, retconning her inhuman status from the comic book. This new origin soon carried over to the page, though she also retains her inhumanness, with Khan becoming the latest member of the X-Men. And this is the direction Volani would like to see her character go if she does get the

opportunity to reprise the role. During a 2023 interview with ComicBook.com, Valani was asked which super team she'd like to see Kamala thrown in with, and she says on the big screen, X-Men. I don't think that's a bad answer. I think the X-Men is so cool, and I think it marks her as legitimate mutant, and all the naysayers can no longer say nay. Rickman also shared an update on the Nova series. The insider has heard that the young lead are currently being sought is actually in his 20s,

which means the character could turn out to be Richard Ryder and not the modern incarnation of the space-faring hero Sam Alexander. Okay, so the first thing I will say, I have no idea who Nova is. So to me, the story here is Kamala Khan and Ms. Marvel. Now, as we know, and if you've seen my out of the theater action, you'll know, I was not a fan of the Marvels. I thought it was a very, not good movie. That it was handled poorly. I thought that it was, there was singing and dancing and nonsense happening in that movie. However, everyone, most people, I would say majority, cannot deny that Kamala Khan was the scene steal.

She was the absolute, she was just the best part of the whole thing. because everything that made her so endearing in that show was what popped in that movie. Now, I liked the show, and I always say many times over that the reason I liked the show was the stuff more so about the family and the things that they did and the family dynamic and how it played into it. I'm all for a season two. I think that I would much rather see a season two than the Young Avengers. I think that would be a colossal error to do that right now.

I don't think that they're in a position to do that. I think having her as part of the MCU in general is a great idea. I think put her in as many movies as you can, making her part of the episode. X-Men eventually. Eventually, if you lead into it and like any other character, she earns it, she's wonderful. She's wonderful. So I would absolutely love this plan if this is the case of season two. Absolutely. Winston, tell me what you think about that and then explain to me who the hell Nova is. I think we can all agree that she, even if you are one of those people that absolutely could not stand the marvels that from all the times that Iman Valani has shown up as Kamala Khan,

has absolutely crushed. And I haven't heard a single person say anything bad about her, her performance, her character, anything like that. So I think that that that's a smart choice. If you're going to do that, especially knowing you want her to be one of the vehicles in which we continue this journey, I think that that's a smart, smart thing to do and allows you to, to be honest with you, if the aim is for her to ultimately get, be the leader or one of the leaders of the young Avengers, if you wanted to bring in that show some of those other heroes as a means to further establish them, I think that that's something you could, in theory, do just to kind of give them a little bit of credence here or there and really kind

of solidify that. So I think it's smart. I think that that's a good hand to play. Now, as far as Nova, easiest way to describe it. And I know more about Sam than I do, Richard. So I'll let, I'll let Koi speak on that. Think essentially Green Lantern minus the construct. So space cop, you know, with a whole force behind them, protecting the galaxy as a whole, energy-based.

So like obviously Green Lantern makes like, you know, shields and shoots lasers and stuff. But the difference there is if he's like, I'm going to make a slide, he can make a slide. Nobody doesn't do constructs. He just has raw power using energy, blasting stuff, flying through space, all that kind of stuff. Okay. So, Coy, you know, when this is announced as far as if they do indeed announce that they're going to do a season two of the Marvels, or Ms. Marvel, rather. Now, we've talked about them trying to hold back also in conserving their budget. And the show, as much as endearing as it was, it wasn't a ratings buster by any means. So is it a good play to keep it on? And if so, is it because?

because you want to give among the spotlight in order to keep her relevant in the MCU? Yeah, I'd argue that it's basically an opportunity to allow her the, it's of course, correct. It allows her to be the leader of the Young Avengers when they get to it. But I always thought they would use the shows as kind of a backdoor pilot to the movies. And we've talked about that with the X-Men before, how we think it'd be a great way to have either special editions or shows or whatever leading to the show. movie debut of a team, but I don't think we're ready for Young Avengers yet. So what better way than do what they kind of should have done? Put Nova maybe on a show.

I personally don't think the budget would be the right appropriate level for cosmic stuff on TV, but maybe they're doing something, I don't know. But if you've got her like on a show and then some of those characters come into play, you get to learn them on that scale. And then the Young Avengers is the theatrical debut. You do, Neil's, do need that bridge to make it work because I don't think there yet. And that scene in the marvels with Kate Bishop was amazing. More moments like that would I think instill a bit of faith. And I think it'd be worth the cost of the show because of how

charming Amman Vlani is, whether or not it was a ratings buster or not. I think they're investing in her or they wouldn't have changed the comic continuity. They have a 10-year Amman Valani plan that's big enough to have Kevin Feigy do his only ask in history, which is make her a mutant. There's no way you don't invest in that further by giving her a show. I agree. I agree with you. The other thing, too, that goes a long way is that she is a fan of this stuff. I mean, that's what she was. She was a fan before she was even in this. And so when she's talking about X-Men and she's talking about all the things, like,

this isn't just someone's like, oh, I'd like to be in this. This is someone who knows the lore, who knows where the character could potentially go. And you can see it when she plays it. So I root for her. I hope that this is a season two. I really did enjoy season two. I'd like to see where it continues on. and I like for her to get more of a spotlight, and I agree.

I think that the Young Avengers right now, if they're going to do it, I've said it, I stick to it. I think that if they're going to do it at all, you should do it as a TV show. I don't think it's, I think that the receipts are there right now that you're setting yourself up. If you put that out anywhere in the next year or two, unless you start putting out hit after hit after hit, you're setting yourself up for a disappointment until you can prove your actors and giving them a season. That's not, that's not fair. Give them more screen time so the audience that maybe is on the fence about them can see the potential.

You know what I mean? All right. So we move on with other, as we mentioned, Nova, and I still don't know who the hell that is. But if you, Nova and you mention all these other characters, someone that I do know, even though I didn't get his name up top right, is Ghost Rider. And they kept talking about Ryan Gosling. So how about this story? All right. Ryan Gosling responds to Kevin Feigy endorsing.

him for Ghost Rider. This is Josh Wilder. Talking about his role in the Fall Guy alongside Emily Blunt, Ryan Gosling responded to Kevin Feigey, giving him the thumbs up as the MCU's ghostwriter and revealed whether he's heard anything since then. Barbie and the Fall Guy star Ryan Gosling remains a firm fan favorite to play the MCU's Johnny Blaze in a future Ghost Rider Project. However, as we write this, there's no clear indication that Marvel Studios plans to bring the spirit of vengeance back to theaters. Supernatural stories like Werewolf of Night and the upcoming Agatha all along and even Ironheart may set the stage for an eventful debut, but is Gosling still interested?

Josh Harowitz, our buddy, asked him about getting the seal of approval from Kevin Feigy, and he said that was a magical moment. I told Josh I would like to play Ghost Rider. He found Kevin Feige. He corners him, does an interview with him, and when he says I would like this, all the lights go off. As for whether there's been any real moment on that front, a cagey gossip. responded, I don't know. When Emily interjected

and she said she didn't expect him to sign up for a superhero project, the Academy Award nominee told her I'd love to. It'd be amazing. Come being a ghostwriter. Marvel Studios has been sitting on the rights for a character for years and allowed Marvel television to use the Robbie Reyes versions and agents of

Shield for a brief spell. Since then, rumors have persisted. Johnny is being lined up to make his MCU debut. Gosling has expressed interest in a possible superhero movie role and more specifically the spirit of vengeance on a few occasions. Asked about that last year, which is what Harwitz refers to in the video. Faggy says, hey man, if Ryan wants to be Ghost Rider, Gossling's unbelievable.

Ryan's amazing and I'd love to find a place for him in the MCU. The actor has previously said he's turned down many superhero roles, but he declined to name them. He said it didn't matter. I was right for it, but I'd love to do it. Clearly, he's waiting for the right character, but will it be Ghost Rider? We're going to all have to wait and see. I will say this and give big props to my buddy

Josh Harwitz and go and check out his show Happy, Sad, Confused, which is amazing. But yeah, this is something that it's interesting because I think he'd be phenomenal in this role. I think he'd be phenomenal. This is a perfect choice, perfect casting.

I will say, in the same way that I said about the young Avengers, It depends on what kind of budget you're looking for for a Ghost Rider movie. If you're doing a big $150 million, shoot, man, look at Fall Guy. If you're doing $120 million movie, a Ghost Rider, then don't sign it. If you want to go back and you want to scale it down, you want to try to do something like almost like the crow, like that kind of movie, like something like so, like a $50 million movie with Ryan Gosling and Ghost Rider, which Marvel Studios will never do. but if you did something like that, sign me up.

But if not, then put him in some multiverse stuff. Let them play around a little bit too. But a $150 million movie, I think Fall Guy proves you can't take that risk. Which is sad. I still haven't seen it. It's good movie. Oh, I love it. Yeah, me too.

Everything I've heard is how good that movie is and just didn't do it. And sadly, it wasn't one of those things where people were like, hey, we were just really busy this weekend. And everybody kept talking it up. so they miraculously figured it out. If to my knowledge, they just have not recovered since that opening weekend, right? No.

Yeah, it has not picked up legs. That was a problem. I remember of Koi, when we talked about it. I said, I love your enthusiasm there. That could have legs. It's so good.

It's a good movie. The problem is when it landed. It landed in the beginning of the movie season. It landed in the summer movies. Every week after has been like another thing that is the similar audience. Right. Like apes,

it cannibalized. Like there's no way apes is going to lose to it. It's not going to find legs. And then if isn't exactly its demo, but that's two weeks in. Still tickets. And then Furiosa is definitely its demo.

So if it could have kind of bounced back, then like so weeks two and four in the brackets did not do anything. Like there's, I don't know, it's too late. It's relevant to this guy, but it's relevant to this conversation also

because if you look at something like Ghost Rider, if you put that movie out in the summertime, it's a bad move. But if you make it for 50 or $60 million and you put it out in like October, you know, then you got a shot of it being like, oh, how about, in the same way that, remember, back when, like, Wesley Snipes's blade came out, which he has been rumored, by the way, we should probably talk about that also.

We talked about it on the show with Brett the other day, but, like, it was, when that movie came out in, was it 98, I think, when that movie came out, that movie was, what that movie cost $30 million to make, whatever it was in the scale of that. Which today would be like 70, so therefore, like in a comparable thing to what you're describing. Yeah, so that's kind of my point. My point is to do like a $50, $60 million movie with Gosling. With that kind of budget, he's really all that you need.

You can find other people in not high-priced talent, but very good talent, put them around them, make a new star out of somebody. You're giving him a big role alongside Gosling and take a shot. I just, Gossling has the depth so he could do it. I just think that that would personally be a waste of his talent. I think that I still stand by, if you're going to put Gosling in the MCU, you hand him Sinister. I'm sorry. Sinister has this certain kind of charisma and seeing Gosling play a villain, which isn't necessarily something we've seen before. I think that would not only be fun to do, I think he would crush that.

And then you could, like, again, in the nature of you're going to do a smaller movie anyway and all that, why not put a Jensen Eccles in there who, like, is enough of a name to those in the industry, but he isn't a household name yet. I think he has the gun the gumption to do that role and and could give us the gruffness because we saw him do with soldier boy and everything else like that. I think that that to me is a better casting choice for Ghost Rider, but that's just me. All right. Well, we got. I personally think that there's the drive element to Ryan Gosling and there's a lot of things that allow for us to see him this way.

But we remember two weeks ago, whatever he had that quote where he's like, I have kids now. I don't want to go to dark places. I want to like be a happy. That's true. Ghost Rider is pretty dark. I don't think he's going to play Ghostrider because I think he's. he's in a place in his career where if he's going to do something superhero, he wants it to be fun. I think he'd be an exceptional Cyclops, man.

I think personally, I would love to see Norman Redis or someone like that as Ghost Rider. I want someone that has like an undercurrent of darkness that looks like they like live on a motorcycle and you wouldn't trust them in a bar. I think there's an inherent levity to the modern gosling that he wants to keep. And I'd rather see someone that doesn't cost as much, whereas I think you want to open a movie. you get an ensemble cast, you have Gosling as a fixture of that, give Cyclops as actual do, frame the X-Men around

three or four big leads and then support with supporting. But I think Ghost Rider doesn't need to be expensive, and I think Norman Redis is more my type. So super quick, because I know we're changing the topic, but if that's what you're saying, then you don't give him Cyclops either. You give him Gambit, because then he gets to play, he gets to still be that charismatic, like ladies man, essentially.

You guys are still looking at you. Yeah, I would say Butler, and a reason why, the reason why is not if you put Ryan Gosling as Gambit 15 years ago 100%. But Ryan Gosling, even though the guy doesn't look like he ages, he's 40 years old, whatever he is too, right? And they're going to want to be playing these X-Men characters. They want to start them, they want them to be young

because they want them to go and they want them to last for a bit. Ryan Gosling's not going to sign on to play Gambit for 10 or 15 years. And if he does, we're going to see if... Well, I think that's a better, I think it's a better shot. But, okay, because Corey's the one that said he's got to go. Hey, you're the one that said you got to go. Stop talking. All right, so let's go.

We'll do one more story, and how about this one? All right, there's an MCU rumor roundup that we're going to close the show with, and that is Spider-Man 4 to feature an alien suit. Big updates on Midnight Suns and Young Avengers. Here it is. We're back with some more big Marvel Cinematic Universe updates as Josh Wilding over a comic book movie, including some big Spider-Man 4 news, including a certain costume, plans for Kate Bishop, in Young Avengers and Beyond, and Midnight Suns. Marvel Studios has been tasked by Disney's Bob Iger

with getting back to quality over quantity. That's why moving forward, we're getting three movies per year and only two Disney Plus shows. We'd bet on Kevin Feigy appearing at both the San Diego Comic-Con and D-23 to share an updated multiverse saga slate, but some updates come our way today, courtesy of Scooper Daniel Rickman. We'll start with Spider-Man for. That's supposedly set to begin shooting this fall with the plan being for the movie to arrive in theaters as soon as fall 2025. It's a quick turnaround, but very much in line with the Wallcrawler's previous solo outings.

Here's where things get interesting. Rickman adds that the piece of Venom left on Earth 616 at the end of Spider-Man No Way home will play a role in the movie. Given what a dark place Peter Parker is likely to be in after his Aunt May's death and the fact the world has forgotten him, it makes sense. In other news, it said that Marvel Studios, Young Avengers Project, will begin shooting at the start of 2025

with Haley Steinfeld, tapped to play Kate Bishop in that and Avengers 5, Hawkeye Season 2 as well based on recent rumors. Finally, for you horror fans out there, we're hearing the current ideas is for cameras to start rolling on Midnight Suns as soon as Blade Raps production. In the MCU, there are several characters

who can make up the Midnight Suns, including Dr. Strange, Clea, Black Knight, and the men. man thing. However, with the next Avenger movie, it's fast approaching where a little shock Marvel Studios found room for them. One character we do expect to show up in the Oscar...

One character we do expect to show up is Moon Night. There have been some specific conversations. They were pleasant. The spilling of the details is that there are no details. We don't know if there's a second season, but we're talking about it, said Oscar Isaac. Whether it's in a group or maybe a great idea comes around for season two

or if it's a standalone film, whatever it could be. I think it's just approaching in that kind of way. the story first. Okay, so Koi will start with you here, man. Koi will start with you. So this is a lot and I will start with asking you about the Young Avengers thing because we just talked about it. I still think not a smart play to do a movie. It seems like they don't give a crap what I think and that's fair. Do you think? Kevin, we've talked about this. We've talked about this. They don't care. They don't care. And they might very well be right. And Haley Steinfeld is. a star she very well could you say hey remember when you said that movie wasn't a good move well it just

made a lot of money how you feeling about that's stupid um and i hope i'm wrong i definitely hope i'm wrong but what do you think where is is young avengers the right play to make right now i i don't think right now but i think if you do a season two of miss marvel if you build out cape bishop's role in hawkeye season two basically make the season two's phase two leading to the next avengers event you go back to what works. You go back to phase one was using movies to build to the Avengers. Use shows to build the Young Avengers. We talked about how we assume

Thunderbolts, asterix, is Dark Avengers. We know the optics in the word Avengers. It gets butts and seats. So what I would do is make these new characters, use the Vision show if it still exists, to introduce Young Vision. Young Vision's important Young Avenger. Use this element

and Thunderbolts to implement this idea and kind of backdoor pilot a Young Avenger show four years down the line. But think about how many times they just mentioned Haley Steinfeld. That's three or four more appearances beforehand. At least two more appearances of Kamala Khan since her show. There's an opportunity to really grow them out. I think by the time we would get there, you might want it more. But I agree if it was like part of their phase five in the next two years late, bad move. I think down the line, not the worst idea. Yeah, it's a fair point. As long as there's enough time to build.

And Winston, definitely give me a little bit more on that if you want, but also to tie in into the Spider-Man stuff. I like what they're saying here because it was like they set that thing up with Tom Hardy and it just was like, well, where's that going? And now all these post-credit scenes that have gone nowhere for this to actually go somewhere

and be relevant to the movie it was related to in the first place, I think makes sense, right? I think so. And I think especially we've talked about that we need a more contained street-level Spider-Man. street level doesn't mean you don't deal with some of his biggest stories. And his battle with his own anger and darkness dealing with the symbiate.

And then that ultimately branching off into venom and however you decide to handle that, I think is still a self-contained story where venom can be a world buster if he needs to be. But it really just stays within his own dark psyche of dealing with that. that and especially knowing he doesn't have anybody part of what gets him to fight the suit and realize it's not good for him is aunt may is mary jane is uh you know harry people in his life that he's like who am i becoming right this isn't okay if he's all alone now god that is a real test of what am i actually made of um and pissed off and super pissed i think that that would be a very good story as far as the young avengers i would have to venture

a guess because we already know just from from casting announcements and news stories that like you've got Carl Lumley making a return in Captain America 4. So I think Elijah Bradley is probably going to show up again. I think that that is going to happen. I think with Thunderbolts because

you've already established Kate has this loose connection to Yelena, I think you're going to see a little bit of stuff going on in Thunderbolts as well. I think Young Avengers is more around the corner than we realize but I think that you're looking at a movie maybe in 2026. accept best that you're not it's nothing that's going to be right happening anytime soon but that

gives that gives coy that gives coy's point of you know if they do green light miss marvel because television moves faster so they have miss marvel and and hawkeye you got a shot but i know that we're splitting hairs that's similar times like where we're looking out easily so coy you know before because we got to go so uh i want obviously be miss if i don't hear you give your thoughts on the spider-man story and everything that was kind of reported in there. What stands out about that story? Bring on the black suit, but do not bring on Venom in the same movie. It is time we finally let the black suit be its own arc. I think that the Venom saga could be a three film journey and how great would it be if he gets the black suit leading up to or because of Secret

Wars? We're uniquely positioned to have Secret Wars actually relate to the black suit. I'd love if Secret Wars comes first and he gets the black suit like he should and the extraterrestrial thing becomes terrestrial causing the problems. But I'd love to see him actually have some time in the black suit where it's not immediately weaponized. I think a guy going through his young college time is one of the most disorienting times in anyone's life, right? What better way to implement the psychology of Venom, not externalized, internalized,

keep the black suit on, dude, while he's in college. And then maybe have him meet new friends and have them not trust them, have them go through the turmoil a little bit before you just jump into Venom. I think a big part of Spider-Man 3's problem was they made Sam Ramey make Venom, and they made their black suit rushed in addition to Sandman. It should have been a red suit, Sam-Man movie. But if you're going to try it again, black suit for at least a movie. I'd love to see a trilogy.

Well, how about that? We did it. We did our first New York show, capes and cows. And I tricked all you guys. We're actually in the room together. So you thought it. That's like a quasi-pixelated. That's right.

Cois pixelated. So, but we did it. Real life. We made, we made, yeah, just walk around pixelated. That's, that's, that's, that's his story, guys. He's always my new look, guys. Yeah. So this is capes and cows.

We're very excited that you guys are joining us here today. I also wanted to, I didn't do this in the beginning. I wanted to thank everybody. We were able to build out the studio because I, as you saw in the link of this, we have that the New York studio Amazon list. So many of you guys have contributed to it. I thank you very much from the bottom of my heart. I'm going to, I have all of the lists here.

I'm going to read out that on, on Monday and Tuesday. I'm going to tell everybody, thank you, thank you, thank you, and read your names out. But I wanted to thank my panel here today, starting with Winston and Marshall, Winston, where can they find you? You can find me at the Swaggy Blurt on all the platforms. I just had a video go super viral over on Instagram. That was fun.

And the YouTube channel on Building Out, man, we're on that drive. I'm just trying to get to 3,000 to start it off and get monetized. So do me a favor. If you haven't already subscribed, be sure to do that. And then just watch a few of the videos, man, show some love, throw some comments. As Christian said, that's apparently super important. And other than that, you'll see me here every week. Coy.

You can help me down at Coy Dronro, trying to grow the YouTube as well. And Winston's editing is top-notch. Definitely check out his page. It's impressive, and it makes me jealous because that is a skill. I'm working on having it. I'm very, it's inspiring, man. I definitely appreciate what you're doing over there. So check his page out.

But also check mine out. I'm doing a weekly comic book news and reviewing all the comics I read the week before and previewing all the comics out that week and a weekly movie review. So I'm really trying to grow it out aggressively like we once did here. Perfect. Good end. It's top nuts. Perfect.

So the other, and Kui will be arguing about dishes in just a second. So we are excited to be joined by the crew. We're excited to have the studio. Right now I think we're like, what do you say, Brett, 20%? 20, what would you say? 30. 30%.

We're at 30% right now trying to get to around 60 before this trip's over and then we'll be back in 100 in June. So subscribe to the channel. As I said, I can't even. I had this whole long conversation. today with Greg Alba also with how the algorithm and everything has changed. So when I tell you, comment, click the like button, share the videos, do all that if you like watching this show. So that is what happens. That is what helps. Thank you for doing so for Winston and Coy.

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