The Kristian Harloff Show - WHAT AN EPISODE! XMen 97 EPISODE 9 SPOILER Review! Coogler offered to direct X-Men reboot?

Episode Date: May 10, 2024

X-Men97 is one of the most popular shows Marvel has done in quite a while. The continuation to the popular series from the 90's has been a must watch every week. Did episode 9 deliver? What comes next? Staying with the X-Men Black Panther director Ryan Coogler has been rumored to have not only signed on to direct Black Panther 3 but he has apparently been offered to bring the X-Men reboot to the MCU? We talk about that Superman suit and if James Wan is the right guy to direct Spiderman 4? This and more on todays Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian, Winston and Coy.  

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Winston A. Marshall. Did you smoke crack before this? Is this what it's like when I have energy and you just like, I'm just used to you being this person? I've never been more tired than Christian, so I feel like this is what it's like to watch. I think the other thing about it is that coming from you,

I don't know why. Coming from Christian, that was terrifying. I think it's because it's my standard operating procedure, and he's usually like, you know, somewhat restrained. I think once AI is, you know, more terrifying than it is already, someone will actually put the Joker sitting there saying everything that I just said. And it's over. And it'll be. It'll make sense.

It'll work. It'll track. Yeah. How are you guys doing? You know, I need a magic bind for sure. If I know that's the bar you've set. If that's the standard at which we're operating today, because he didn't offer coffee and when he doesn't offer, I don't ask. But if this is the bar.

You need one to? Apparently. Well, you still the last one. Oh, what a gift. What a kindness. Did you have coffee? I didn't have coffee. I'm okay.

I do have more. Quay, don't stop talking. It's the one time I need to... Oh, look at me. You know, this. I'm off my game.

I need my magic mind to get on my game. I'm actually really excited about this because the man is hunting him down. Yeah. All right. All right. What's happening?

Anyway, we do have a lot to talk about. And I am caught up to X-Men 97. I caught all the way up. I got and saw everything. Hell yeah. Yeah. And I'll tell you that.

Let's just do this first. X-Men 97. This is the second part of the finale. Or as Mark, baby Caratselas would say, the penultimate episode. The pen ultimate episode. It is. And so, yeah, like I said, I've caught up on this one. And so far, absolutely love this series.

The only thing, I mean, even, I told you guys, like, I didn't love the Xavier in Space one. Like, him in the classroom and everyone else, so this is fine. But it did set up ultimately what he wanted to do, his mission in general. And by the way, so we'll warn people that we're going to cover some spoilers here. So hold on to your butts. but otherwise really great and I think that the fact that they

it does show the essence of the X-Men stuff even stuff that they carried in I love the reference to the movie the first X-Men movie such a good joke the reversal on the black leather and then it was still Cyclops saying it it was perfect it was like multiver

that is ultimate multiverse stuff and it was great y'all got to follow me on my YouTube I was out here talking about this I'd have made shorts about it everything man y'all got to come to see what I'm doing yeah I'm cooking I'm cooking, God damn it.

Well, so we have, don't worry, we can plug his stuff there, and then when we talk about the Superman's who we'll plug your show. Follow us on YouTube. I know. It's like just a pure desperation. Dear God, Christian's moving and we're scared. No, we're, that's, that whole thing, by the way, we're going, you know, to set up the studio next week,

and I talked about yesterday. The New York wish list, somebody got us a really nice gift on that wish list, and people have been getting stuff, and we're going to be, Brett and I, got some stuff off of it ourselves and we're going to be setting that up and we're going to do like a blog to set it up also so we're excited about it.

But anyway we watch we all watched X-Men 97 and I think that it's set up so well where they kind of put Magneto where he was because I thought he was kind of brainwashed or something right but he's not he's just pissed off and like I think he's been

wrong long enough that he's in a just five position like the Magneto was right I think is really well handled here because at this point, I don't agree with Xavier nearly at all. And humans are the ones that he's trying to save. I'm like, you know, we've had to run. It's, to me, that's why I was shocked that you didn't like

the space episode so much, because it is absolutely vital to see that it wasn't just like, okay, Xavier, he almost died. He can only really live with the Shiar at this point just to like, whatever. It's that homie straight up was like getting married, going to rule the

Shiar Empire, and essentially, to do that would have to fully abandon his people, which he essentially did it. And when he did it, the world was not in a peaceful place where it was like, yep, we accept Newton's now, you're good to go. It was still teetering

and has gone full DefConfive. And it had gotten better for a moment making it even worse. Because then adjust a little, right. But for him to then come back and be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, we can't be doing this. I would not blame a single mute to be like, if you don't shut you, like, what do you do? Bro, rogue

roasted the hell out of all. All the X-Men. She goes, your ass wasn't there let Bremmy die, so you shut your ass up. Who's gonna be next? We're gonna lose nightcrawler,

we're gonna kill him. That happens every two weeks. Like, before he got bodyed. And then Storm was like, you can't leave your family. that era. So it literally made me go like that's an Easter egg for just us. Like just people that are invested enough to know like that's a cover I love. And it crushed. I also love

then the dynamic that you got because Rogue didn't really pull her punch like she still loves them but she didn't pull her punches when they were fighting but you saw like Sunspot who was like yeah I'm angry he threw one thing at Jubilee and he goes Oh are you okay and she's like motherfucker he was like wait It literally felt like to me just just and this

I'm sure happens in other instances in other communities and whatnot But it literally feels like a black dude that like did something wrong and then a sister like is like I ain't playing with Josh. And like it, uh, Black Panther. Yeah. It reminded me literally of like the, uh, no, with the with the rhino and everything. And then she was like, okay, well, the rhino rolls with me. So you'll ask going to prison.

Get the, get the, about my face. So I do like how that he, it very similar again to the movies. I think this is what they did that was very smart in this was that for people who didn't know the original animated series and maybe they just knew the movies and they were all right I'm gonna check this out you start to relate it as I said the the essence of Magneto recruiting people and that whole scene when rogue and what's and what SunFace is Sunspot yeah and then Sunface the Sunface so Sunface goes would they both go with them and even when Sunspot and Jubilee at the end they've had this whole relation of the entire

time and he's like oh wait listen I'm sorry she's a they're they're battling and it kind of gave me that Civil War feel yeah because you get where they're coming from yeah like in the Civil War you understands where both sides perspective are because it's written well. Like you know why Magneto's right and you know why the X-Men would also side of the Xavier. And it also reminded me a lot of the 2000 X-Men movie, a lot of it, because even when on that train, when you think that Magneto wants Wolverine, but he really wants Rogue and Wolverine stands up so many, and Magnetius picks him up because he's got the metal in his body.

And then how this episode ends where you think it's like a double, oh man, did Wolverine just kill Magneto? And then the question is... Call the hospital, but not for me. Yeah, he's just like... Wolverine being going to kill Wolverine, but it's... Well, I'll put it to you this way. They may, but it's just the idea that, because it's comics, because we've dealt with time travel, things like that,

because I don't think that we've seen the end of Gambit. I think that you're going to see Gambit and one or two way until either appear as the horseman of death. I think Apocalypse might do something to bring him back when they bring Apocalypse back into it. Or you will end up because, again, we've been dealing with time. You might end up with time shenanigans. I just, what I would prefer happens is that we don't see Gambit until late in the second season,

and that's because we find out that he is revived in some form of fashion, either sinister, apocalypse, whoever, and then Rogue goes on a quest to essentially save the soul of Gambit because he's... I can see the horseman element, and I think that, I don't think Wolverine's going to die. I think he's going to go feral. I think he gets that a man to him ripped out, and basically we're going to get a season next season with Wolverine, like in the woods. Like, I think he'll just be removed in like the fair. a little, because I hate the bone claws.

Why? Because, okay, Wolverine as a character got turned into a weapon, right? His power was healing and animal instincts. In life, a human being does not have bones there, so it makes more sense that a weapon would be added to him. That is literally knives between his things. If you're turning someone to a weapon by making them invulnerable, by adding adamantium, why would there already be bones there to cover an adamantium

versus putting knives in the-d-old? Did he have bone-cloths in the comic? He did, like, 40 years into his run. Like, they added it, like, 35 years of his run. It was once, essentially, once the Adamant team was ripped out, they then retcon did and explained, well, actually, another one of his mutations he has claws, which is why I was like, very surprised that you're taking the stance in the fact that if they're coating his skeleton, if those bone claws were always a part of his skeleton, then that would make perfect sense. He doesn't make sense from a, like a, like a... He's a muted. Yeah, but if you add knives, that makes way more sense than having bone claws.

He's a lot of logic. I get that, but like, there are knives in his hands. You put metal in his body. Why wouldn't it make sense to be like add knives? I understand both sides the argument. To me, it's add knives as logic. Bone claws is like, why did he have balls? Because when you said what you said about your entire argument, I'm like, yeah, yeah, Koi.

But wouldn't you like, yeah, they would kind of map his whole body. I'm like, yeah, Winston. And the answer to that question, Koi, is the most indestructible metal, at least at the time, on the planet. So if that's the case, then like his bone claws ain't getting through a steel door. At a mantium clause will get through a steel door. But I'm saying from a logic standpoint, if you're going to make something into a weapon you would add weaponry to it like they shouldn't have done with with with Deadpool like the Baraka clause sure look unfortunately unfortunately this

arguments are relevant okay far enough yeah audience let us know how relevant this is in the comments below we're like we're supposed to be talking about the episode we're out yeah yeah but that's fine we'll find out next week if there's bone claws nerds that's real so either way what happens in this episode sets it up for the finale like the actual finale of it now what goes down and And how it's obviously they're gonna do they're gonna do another season. Yeah, it's aren't written. Is it gonna be, is it X-Men 98?

Is that what they're gonna call it? I think it'd be fun to do X-Men and get to like, yeah. I think it might be bad for SEO, but I think it'd be clever if it was a year later. They're probably to stick with X-Men 97. I assume. It all takes place in the same year, whatever. Probably. I mean, a lot's happened in the last.

Yeah, what also happened with Gene Gray, by the way? Because you don't really see it, right? You just see Kate. It's implied that she died at the hands of cable, but I, and it would be very funny considering Rogue just like what, Jingle and I again? That would actually be really funny if that happened, but I have a feeling that she's fine.

She may have probably gotten like knocked out by cable or something like that, but I don't. You gotta see a body in comments. I didn't see body. I didn't see body. I didn't see body, so I think she's fine. I mean, I think it's obvious we get onslaught next week. Well, I kept saying that. I don't

think narratively that makes sense unless, because you're either A, just gonna make onslaught a 10 minute villain No, no, no, it's cliffhanger. But that's so I think that onslaught is, if we don't get a post-credit, the very last image. I think it's, yeah, I think it's a minute of onslaught, not 10 minutes and he's gone. I don't even think it's a minute.

I think you remember the end of season one of the animated series where Gene and Scott are like on the beach talking like, oh, what if our kid's born a meet? No, we'll love him anyway. And it's like, oh, citizen knows what your future holds. Like that whole line of dialogue. And that's very Saturday morning cartoon. I'd like if the season ended with a Saturday morning cartoon villain appearance. So either way, I think it's doing very well for Disney Plus, and it also has definitely gotten people excited for X-Men.

I don't think people were never not excited, but they were just kind of out of the... I've never seen it like this. Yeah. This feels like the 90s, but with a modern connectivity. Well, here's the only reason I would say the only time I've seen it like this, more mainstream, was around between 2000 to 2004. Because those two movies... You're specifically talking X-Men. I'm not about X-Men.

X-Men and X-Men, too. We're huge. I'm talking about how, like, they were really responsible for getting, like, the interest back into the... And because, you know, Brian Singer took those movies pretty serious. It wasn't just kind of goofy characters. It was, like, a real story. I just think of the connectivity of how many people are, like, wearing it. Yes.

There's a visual element. I agree with you. People are excited about it, more so than they've been excited for a Marvel thing in quite a bit, but it just shows you that when you look at those movies that came out, you know, the one that Simon Kinberg did and those other ones that just didn't hit the mark that it wasn't, it proves a larger thing, actually. So when a movie doesn't do it, you look at it, and I always use Terminator as an example. So Terminator, the last movie that did was the less few have been terrible.

The last couple of Jurassic, even though they meant money, not good, the last few Transformers, Okay, people are G.I. Joe. And people go, yeah, we don't need, no one cares about those. We don't want to see it. No, you don't want to see bad versions of them. Same as the comic argument. It's the same as this like fatigue. It's about quality. It's like you don't want mediocre films.

You want good in the genre. Right. It's not that the genre is tired because X-Men shows that. It's we're tired of the genre feeling tired. We're tired of like a bad version of it. So I think like, you've talked about Terminator coming back small budget. I'd be there a heartbeat. A-24 terminator.

To imagine. But I will not be a Terminator 7 if it stays. Right. the way it is. I think what it ultimately comes down to is it really feels like a lot of the projects that we've gotten in the superhero space

have not felt like there was passion in them. It honestly just felt like this is how we make money. And the more that you get that to it, the less people are going to be inclined to care. Because if you look at the ones that have been successful, it is very clear

that Hollins and Dea, that... John Watts clearly loves it. loves Spider-Man and they put everything into you could see it in like in Toby you could see it and Andrew Andrew was so excited to be back and you could tell Lord Miller man like the Spider-Miller those guys love this absolutely gun and and the Guardians movies he clearly loves them I'll give you another one West Ball and this New Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes right so you're going to get people and I always say it's kind of like 82 83% I think is I think is low and because

My thing is, I feel there's going to be, and I think this is a way we take in content in general. I think there's going to be some people in the same way that people thought for like and or that it was a slow burn, it was boring. I liked how they set out the world, and you could tell how much West Ball took, no pun intended, the ball from, you know,

Matt Reeves from that last franchise, and he ran with it, you know, and that to me, and you can tell he had passion for it and didn't seem like, well, this doesn't seem like anything, like this would evolve from anything at all. And it's because when people, people care about the actual characters and they're not just putting on a spectacle going, this is going to make money.

Yeah. And people will just shove popcorn in their face. And I'm not saying that those types of movies aren't necessary. Kong versus Godzilla is a perfect example of that, right? It never presented itself as anything except a wrestling match. Which is a hundred percent. When you presented it as itself, when you presented it like that. And it made money.

But that, that in of itself is a different type of passion. It may not be an artistic passion, but it is a passion. I'm going to put on the best wrestling match I possibly can. Right. But not lying to the audience and not inside of that saying, well, look, there's just going to be this evolved story and you're going to care about the humans in this and you're really going to care about what they're doing and it's going to lead to this and you're going to care about all of it.

It's like, no, you're going to see these two running on the beach like Rocky and Apollo and Rocky 3 and then Kong's going to ride on Godzilla and you're going to love it. And that's all it is. I needed, you know, it sounds weird and I'm not out here in these streets being like, Let's just start killing off main characters, but I needed like, oh my God, why can I all of a sudden not remember? Gordon Ramsey. No, no, no, no, no, quantum mania. Why all of a sudden can I not remember the original Ant Man's name?

What is wrong? Oh, Godin. No. Michael Douglas? No. Sam Jones? The character, what is wrong? Pink Pimp.

Jesus. Pang Pimp? Hank Pim. Hank Pim of the Godzilla franchise. The whole time I was like, who in Godzilla's Michael is playing? You should. I was having a time. Pink Pimp.

hanging out in the strip club. It could have been if you take out Hank Pem honestly, if you take out any of those main characters like all of a sudden now Kang is a real effing threat type situation. Now I go, oh Jesus, this is, this is like it felt

like because the aunt saved him and he was still able to get up. It didn't feel like there were stakes by the time it was over. If you don't watch it doesn't change the MCU. It doesn't. And so that's the thing. It felt like there were no stakes. And I think that that maybe is a large part the problem.

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Another topic. Here we go. All right. Coy, go ahead. Plug your YouTube channel. Oh, there's the official plug. If you had over to my YouTube, Coy John wrote,

my name spelled as my name. I did a 12-minute breakdown. basically describing the comic influences in this suit, the visual representation, as well as what I think is happening in the background, as well as how this tone of an image is different than the Snyder announcement or the Reeve announcement or the Ralph announcement. So a full breakdown of all the above. And it's my first video to actually make money. So I feel like a certain pride. So I'm just kidding. I wasn't recording that.

God damn. So no, what I will say, though, about that suit when we talked about it on Monday. At first when I saw it when I was looking at that picture, I'm like, oh, this guy, this is dumb of lazy assy here. He's just sitting on his. That's not what I interpret. I'm like, I mean, he's sitting on his couch and things are blown up in the back and like, I guess we're going to do this again. But then I really, when you start looking at what it really means, it means it's another day at the office.

Yeah, it feels like, I love how Americana is. But the internet thought a lot of that. And they didn't look a second time. I literally, my first thought was, I mean, like, these motherfuck the god in trouble again. Like, I immediately was like, that's amazing. I'm stopping this. If the both of you don't stop slapping this desk. What would you like me to stop?

Stop more. Slapping the deaths or swearing. You can have one. No, I can have both. No promises. No promises. My brain. I'll tell you what. Let's do the slapping. Okay. Then I'll beat your ass. I'm going to sit like this like it's cold. I'm going to sit all like, don't slack the table. No, no, I literally just thought. Think about where we are right now as a society, right? In that like everything seems exhausting.

An election, war times. Media is crazy. He's people scared of AI. What that felt like, like you said, the day at the office is like, I got to get up and do this. Oh, yeah. Like, if you look at the image, he's also been in battle already. Like the outfit, I think he's, he's the top half is the old outfit and he's putting on new boots. I think he got messed up. And it's like, all right, to me, this is like firefighter energy.

This is like, all right, well, you know, I got to do my job. And it's, it's been rough today. Also, let's let me just throw this out there. People being like, oh, Superman would do that at super speed. Okay. I thought he would have already had the boot on. Do you understand that in this particular case, because it's a still image,

maybe somebody caught him in super speed, he still actively doing it. He still has to put his boot on. Or only a feminine man put on boots. Or, or it's a promotional image. Yeah, that has nothing to do with anything. Or nothing to do with anything. It's a promotional image.

It's not a scene from the movie. Everyone's acting like it's a 30 second scene of him ignoring the world outside. I didn't read any of that stuff. Right? What a gift? No, because of that. It's like,

the only thing is that I thought people were looking at is going, do you like the suit? And the thing is, some people, it does seem a little bit more so around like the Henry Cavill suit than more of the traditional suit. And I went, oh, I was kind of hoping to see like the old traditional suit,

but I haven't seen the movie. Yeah, I haven't seen it in motion, much less. Right. Let alone, the image it inspires for me, which was both serious but hilarious,

was the incredible. Woman, where's my super suit? Right, that super suit energy. That literally feels like, oh, Jesus, okay, okay, he's still Superman. Sure, a building is about to explode. I bet you we catches all of the people in it anyway. If that's even in the movie.

I agree. I agree with you. I just, for me, it immediately taps into Frozone being like, Jesus, where is my? I mean, yeah, we're all on the same page with that, for sure. It's just a matter of the suit is what was meant. The images shared. That's what he was doing it for. He's like, and you can see James Gunn going, hey, you know what be cool.

We'll put something in the best. background, like, because we know who our villain is, and we'll have this whole thing going on, and then it'll be like another day at the office, and he's putting his boot on, and we'll just for this particular thing, but that's how we'll read the suit. The internet goes like, why is this Superman lazy? Because we can't have fun of it. If I'm James Gunn, I quit. Yeah.

If I'm James Gunn, we don't release anything else until the movies out. But, you know, same thing, but it's a matter of, because you tune in that point, what are they saying about the suit? You know that people are not going to, not everybody's going to be in the same page. people. And I think that's, you open yourself up for that criticism right away. Whenever you come up with the suit. Whenever you do anything. But the Spider-Man suits, like when they would come in, it was always the big topic conversation. What do we think about the suit? Yeah. And we'll see what we think about this suit. And that is to me the valid conversation. Like, and I think you don't like the suit

because you think this. I think that's fair to say, you know, if you say like, you know, well, Superman wouldn't be doing this. You don't even know if it's in the movie. So that makes sense. That's Proposter. Look, man, with great power comes great trollability. And at this particular point, no matter what you do, even if it is the greatest superhero movie we have ever seen, people are going to crap on it because that's just what we do now, which is a sad state of affairs. Well, I also think it's because there's a loyal thing that people feel is a loyal thing

to Zach Snyder. Which, and that's its own other conversation. But you could take it outside of Superman. If like, say, for example, you know, we haven't done static shots. yet. Let's not even go into a hero that's already done a movie. Like, say, if they rebooted Iron Man, you get the same thing. Robert Downey or nothing. Of course.

Let's just take static shock. No matter what happens, even if it is exactly to the T as the animated series or his original comic or anything like that, people are going to complain because that's just where we're at. Let me go back to you, the one that always everyone brings up as you look at Heath Ledger. Yeah. People lost their minds when Heath Ledger was cast. Same with Michael Keaton.

And then, for a very long time, no one. can do it except Heath Ledger. No one can do it except Michael Keaton. I'm enjoying the next two weeks until, because I give it a week after it airs. I'm enjoying the next two weeks while we're still enjoying Exma 97 until the overhyped buzzed. Because that's inevitable. I know the second week of June, it'll be the most

hated thing on the internet, but right now, I'm enjoying myself. I've literally thought to myself when I saw the dark night that the speech that Heath gives to Two-Face he's like, you know, say, they're going to blow the hospital. I don't lose their little minds. I feel like he was channeling when he

got cast in that in that monologue right we're like tell everybody that the guy from night's tale's gonna be be the joker to lose their minds like they just it I could feel him putting that energy in there of like I imagine how bad it would have been today it would have been horrible because social media wasn't even really at its no it wasn't a thing Twitter wasn't a thing it was just what Facebook at my space yeah my space was still around that my space was on its way out yeah yeah and it's so yeah people are changing their song and writing a little message and it's how got hearts but not like Twitter where it's just rage So what's the actual breakdown on the costume itself?

So the costume, if you cut to it, the collar is from the new 52. The way the cowl is mounted as new 52. The chess piece is from Kingdom Come, but it's got the old Fleischer edging around the side. Fleischer being the 40s cartoon. So it's a mix between Kingdom Come and Fleischer. And then what I really like is obviously we got the trunks back. But this whole dynamic reads like a mix from there. Yeah, you see the belt and then there's red next to the blue.

I can barely see that. And it's not even because I'm blind. I just, you really just, what I'm? You just expected. Yeah, so it's a... You put your face in it, huh? I wanted it, I mean, good for... He's 6'6.

It's about the right level. That's about where I'm at. But I think it's like a next one. Quartzwood is 6-6? Yeah, he's a tall dude. What the F? Yeah, he's the tallest Superman they've ever cast. Wow.

And I think, like, he's usually a skinny dude. Yeah. So the fact that he put on 40 pounds of muscle, and he walks around skinny at 200 pounds. So that's like a 240-pound man. That's a big dude. Man. So I... Six-four.

Six-four? Six-four. And look, no, I'll let. If you go back to that image Look, 66 right there, over the image. Yeah, but that's someone who's wrong. Oh, yeah. I guess I too am wrong along with Google.

He's six, I mean, six, six, six is a giant story and small. Yeah, he's still the tallest. He's not 6-6, 6-6 is like. When you see people. Six-six is literally above Elgris. Wasn't that Jordan? Hey, are you, you didn't once come in here and say, how about those nicks? Yeah, why would I?

Come on. Why not? Give me some props. They've been stinking up the joint with 20, five years. Two and oh over the Pacers? Come on, man. Yeah, but I just, look, the paces are significantly better, but like, let me see what you do against Boston. That's really what I want to say. We ain't there yet. We talk about a tall guy. All of a sudden I'm lost and we've got passed the first round last time. Let's get past the second round. Come on, man. The only thing that's honestly really interesting is that Anthony is destroying Denver right now. Yeah. That's insane. The actor,

Anthony Edwards. No, he's moving, he's moving away from the next one I, when I try to bring up. It's not, no, it's not because I don't want to, I would love for the Nix to, like, go the distance. I would actually be super, I would prefer the Mavericks, obviously, but I would love for them to go distance. We'll stay on this for about another 10 seconds. I just, Denver looked unstoppable. Sure. They're getting smacked around. Yeah, but the Knicks are.

Superman, we great at basketball. Yeah. Anyway, so what did that have to do with Superman? Nothing. They're all tall? But I had to remember it because you got to get me that, guys. It's been years. You don't understand.

This is coming from the Patrick Ewing John Stark's days. And, like, I've been, I have not been excited to watch basketball in a very long time, and this team has done it for me. So, I apologize for the, for jumping off the highway. You would know. What city is Metropolis supposed to be? Right. It's kind of like a mix between Chicago and New York. That's what I think, because Gotham is technically New York.

Yeah, it's Gotham proper, New York. Okay. But then so Metropolis is in the Midwest, which always throws me off. Like, you look at the map. In the Donner version, it's straight up New York. It's New York. And that's why I think it's become New York because Donner's so much of what super Which I guess was then the weird thing about like Batman v. Superman, because in my mind, Metropolis and Gotham were not next door.

Dude, they're literally across the river is weird. They're across the river from each other in the comics, which is so weird. Which means Gotham is also like in the Midwest. So then I was like, so then one of you is Jersey. Yeah, yeah. Like what? Like Metropolis might be Jersey. My favorite Red Armistin thing back in the day when you played the mayor.

He's like, New Jersey. And he's like, what's that smell? New Jersey. It's like Gotham. Definitely Gotham of the tour. Okay, so look, we got into a lot of stuff there. I'm not going to pretend that, like I said, that it doesn't seem like, hey, what's the pilot on right now? Red Bull and, you know, sugar and cocaine.

That literally is what it feels like, and I understand that. And so if in the middle of a really good conversation about Superman suit, you bring up the New York Knicks being up 2O in the playoffs. That's because this never happens. I don't blame you. Yeah, but normally I would, I would. say let's do that off air, but my brain right now is saying, say whatever you want. I enjoy peanut butter and chocolate ice cream. All right, moving on to the next.

Hey, man, look, you're moving to New York, all right? It seems that like apparently the world is healing because you are now going home, so the Knicks are good. Right. Who knows what else might happen. The Yankees are doing a little better. You're going around so much pizza. I'm so jealous.

Yeah, my cholesterol won't be happy about that. But there's a, where I'm moving, three months. minute when you guys come visit yeah three minutes from my place is like one of it's got a pretty high score from uh from bar Dave yeah okay and and I've had it okay I'm excited I went and I was like I think they opened up at like 11 a.m and I was like sitting outside of like 1055 when I was there and I just I just sat down and I was in I was in bliss do the Prince Street in the valley is not bad but it's no New York yeah and it you can get what you get here yeah and that's fine um anyway Let's get to that.

What a great episode. And I think people are going to like the chaos of it, too. All right, Bessie's shoes. We don't have Vessie's there. No, but I do want to tell you about pens. Penns are good. Okay, moving on. Let's get you.

We haven't had this energy on the show at a long time. I think now that everything is coming down, it's just, it's weird. I can genuinely say, I don't know what's coming next. I like that. I don't know. You don't know. Okay. There's a new rumor that is claiming that Ryan Cougar has

now signed on to helm a third Black Panther movie. But Marvel Studios also wants him to direct the X-Men reboot. Black Panther and Black Panther Wakanda Forever director, Ryan Coogler, has always said that he'd be more than happy to stay on board the franchise and return to helm a third film, and a new rumor is claiming on that he's signed on to do just that. However, Marvel Studios might be eyeing the filmmaker for another upcoming MCU project. According to My Time to Shine Hello,

the studio wants Coogler to take the helm of the planned X-Men reboot. This follows a previous rumor that a person of color was being sought for the project, and we have heard that Barry Jenkins might also be on Marvel's radar. Wakanda Forever served as a fitting tribute to Tachala and the late Chadwick Boseman, while establishing Shuri as the new panther and introducing an entire aquatic civilization. The mid-credit scene also featured the debut of Tachala's son, who will almost certainly take over as Wakanda's king and protector someday. So it's fair to say that the movie set up quite a few things that can potentially be explored

in a future sequel. During a 2022 interview with New York Times, Kugler admitted that he'd be glad to stay on as long as folks will have me. As for X-Men, a writer is expected to be announced soon, and we'd have no problem believing that Kevin Feigy and company would want a director of Kugur's caliber

to bring the mutant heroes back to the big screen, though that doesn't necessarily mean he'd be interested. Kugo is currently shooting his untitled vampire movie starring Michael B. Jordan and is also producing a number of Disney Plus MCU projects as well as an X-Files reboot. If he has indeed signed on to direct Black Panther 3, he may think twice about addressing another massive franchise

to his already stacked workload. Okay, I'll tell you this. I'm not going to, and I don't think I'm going to bring any fans in by saying this, if you told me what I'd rather have him do, X-Men all day. Over Black Panther? X-Men all day. For the same reason, I want to see Matthew Vaughn move away and do other things, right?

I want to, Ryan Coogler, brought Black Panther to life. He brought this iconic character that meant so much to so many people and he brought him to light. There was only so much you could do with that second movie in the circumstances that he was put in.

And he did a really... It's not fair that... And I think the movie's okay, right? I think it's okay. But I think it's masterful for what he was able to do in the amount of time after losing your main star

and what was going on at that time to, hey, you got to do this and we got to get that movie out of his analysis. He's like, all right, hold on. And he came up with a great version considering how much time he had. People forget, like, the Star Wars movies in 2019.

Yeah, and they still can't figure it out. And he got it out. You know, it was four years after, so it was like a year after. It came out in 2022. 22, and then the original came out in 2018, but remember. Right.

But when did Chadwick pass. We lost Chadwick. We lost Chattuck in 2020. Right. So he had about two years. That's insane. Right. So he had less because the movie came out in November.

Chattowick died in like September slash August. So you did it in about 18 months. He did it in 18 months, give or take, right? That itself is such a task. And so the movie itself, the way that they said that they made the choice. And we had this debate many times over whether you're going to recast or not. And they didn't. I think a third movie.

with what they set up, I don't know how many people are going to be excited for it. I think you can still get it to be really good. Now you're going to have a lot more time to put it. And what he did in 18 months, he's going to have years to do, and he probably come up with a great version of it. But I want to see him move on.

I want to see him do something else. Not to say don't do a third Black Panther movie, do a third one. But have Ryan Coogler do something else, bringing him in to bring in the X-Men forward all day. This guy is a fan of the stuff he's doing and he puts the effort into it and he revitalized the Rocky franchise. He brought Black Panther to life X-Men all day. But that's my take on it.

What do you think? I would actually rather see him finish out Black Panther because I'm assuming that if you're doing that, not that the character or Wakanda goes away, but you're wrapping up this trilogy. I would rather him finish the story that he has now been telling in two films and get that done. and if you can only have one. Sure. Obviously, I would love for him to do X-Men. I just also know that there are other great directors that could do it, which is why I would rather him finish it out.

And then you don't need to, like, you can just be executive producer name on Black Panther stuff going forward and call it a day. For me, it's just the MCU as a whole obviously has been great, but each of these individual franchises have been like, I would like to see him finish. I think it's a fair point. The only thing, though, we're. bringing in a new director to X-Men, right? This is a guy that knows how the MCU machine works.

Absolutely. And you're bringing these beloved characters. We just had the conversation, very important characters moving forward. This is a guy who knows the machine who could put it out there is where Black Panther is an established franchise right now and could benefit and someone can come in and learn from the ropes. Then I would rather see, honestly, they keep bringing up Barry Jenkins. I would love that.

Put in Barry Jenkins. And if you want, you have Cougler in the day. Disney family, he can consult as much as you need him to. As by Panther, yeah, yeah. Like, no, I'm saying, let Cougler finish Panther. Let Barry take over X-Men because he is more than proven he can handle subject matter, especially like, obviously that, what, he won his Oscar for Moonlight. Yeah.

Like, so if we're talking about the other ring, the trying to hide, the trying to fit into society, Barry can do that all day. Right. And if the concern is just, what about doing superhero stuff, et cetera, et cetera, again, you have such a strong roster of directors still in your belt that if you need to call Ryan and be like, like, yo, what do you think about this? You could do that.

Sure. I got a hot take. Go for it. I think Barry, between the two, Barry for X-Men, because of everything you just said, but also because he's in the Disney family, but he's not made something in this genre before. And if he wants to, I love his passion for it. At Cinema Con, he came out and he just did like a 20-minute speech about his love of the movie theater because he used to be an usher.

And I was immediately like, anything you do I'm watching. Because I was an usher. And he talked about it was such a passion of like companionship for ushers and now making movies and all this. stuff and I was like, if you bring one-tenth of that passion to X-Men, like, that'll be my jam. And so the hot take isn't that. My hot take is, I would rather Ryan Coogler do something outside of IP. I really love Fruitvale Station.

I think Creed is the best reboot I think we've ever had. I think Creed is, because it's the impossible. It's revitalizing Rocky, which had to hit rockiness. And leaving Rocky in there. And leaving Rocky, but also starting a new franchise. So I think the cinematic world could benefit from Ryan Coogler doing stuff outside of IP again. And he's already, it feels like. like to me.

But Rocky is an IP. Yeah, but he's done too. Like, he's given us two Redney Wolves. He's saying he's already. He's saying something completely rich. That's what he's doing. The vampire movie. I think the vampire movie was Blade.

I think he pitched them Blade and they didn't like it. Now he's doing his own. That movie feels like Blade so hard. Really? I mean, it. I don't know enough about what it's supposed to be. I don't know. I feel like he pitched a version that didn't work out because maybe

him and Marshall didn't see it the same way. And then he's like, because rehearsal is very hands-on. And they had how many drafts? The timing is crazy. That movie was in production for, forever. It didn't go for it. And now there's like a very Michael B. Jordan looking Daywalker out there. It's not a crazy

theory. Because we also heard it was like set in the past. We also heard it was set in other countries. And then I see this cooler movie and I'm like, but look, so here's the thing though, would you, even though, regardless to what you felt about, did you watch Rebel Moon? I tried this. I watched the first one. I couldn't get to the second. Okay. So

regardless, you would agree that that's original I paid. 100%. It was a Star It was a Star Wars page. 100%. So But he has more freedom. Like, like, like, Zach does. Zach has more freedom on Rebel Moon than he would have if he was under the Disney thing. Oh yeah. Well, yeah. Well, there's no argument that he's going to have more freedom on the vampire. That's why I think he did it. Well, yeah, but he is

doing something outside of the original. Right. And if this does well, I'd rather see him get to, I just want him to freedom. Yeah, I mean, you want him to do what Nolan's doing. Yeah, he's earned the Nolan, like he made a billion dollar movie go play. But here's the difference between the two. I think that, you know, if Ryan Coogan is also a very young man still. Yeah, it's crazy.

And not that no one's, you know, no one's like in his 50s or something like that. But Coole is like 30-something. He's in his mid-thirty. He's like 35, I think. He's young. He's young. He's crazy.

He's 20-something making a Black Panther. He's got the energy to do this. Make a bigger, even bigger name for himself as he's been doing. Make some cash. Yeah. It's just when we read that rundown, producing Marvel, doing a third Marvel. He's locked into this right now. Yeah.

And again, he's in his mid-30s. When he gets to a place where he's like, you're not going to want to do that as an old man, I don't think. He could say, I've done a lot of this stuff. Now I'm going to go make my stuff and he'll have a lot more clout to do it. You know what that actually convinces me? I would like to see a potential X-Men with him because I do think you're right. He can handle that workload because he is a young guy. And I do think his world building is second to none.

That's what I mean is that you have him bring it. You have him start it and then he then he can, you know. Like he did with Creed. I like Creed to a lot. I think we both agreed that like the world. I like it better. I like it better than most people. And because he started a world that's so clean and fresh. I got it.

Barry Jenkins directs it Ryan Google writes it Yeah it's still there's something about the way that His visual eyes I don't disagree but like How much Barry stuff have you seen though? Like because Barry Barry's visual eye too Is Barry Jenkins winds up doing it

I'm not gonna go damn it No no I get your preference is just Ryan I get it because he knows the world so well And he knows Marvel so well It's because he's doing these TV shows And his short end with Kevin Faggy seems incredible Because of how much he got to make Black Panther his own

That movie didn't feel like any studio interference. Right. And I think he also knows what the fan base wants. He listens to the fan base while still doing his own thing. He's got such a dedicated thing to what he wants to make. Like you can feel that in the STEM program at the end of the movie. And not the Barry Jenkins doesn't. He might be, Barry Jenkins might be a massive X-Men fan.

Right. If he is, that's. Then who knows? No, no. Let me also reiterate here. Ryan Coogler is my favorite director, period. So like I know he would crush X-Men. It's just if you're asking me for the two,

I would rather him close out his story that he's been helming than to just abandon ship, leave that to somebody else. Because what concerns me is that, yes, I don't think Wakanda Forever was as good as the OG Black Panther, but like you said,

there was a bunch of mitigating circumstances that like, you can only do so much here. For what he was given. For what he was given, he absolutely crushed. So I, to that point, I would like to just see him close out what he did versus leaving that to somebody else.

Right, which... Because I like Creed 3, but I still think that, you know, the first two were a little bit... Because he didn't direct the third one, right? No, Creed 3 was Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan did that way. He didn't do not. He didn't do any second one either.

No. So for me, it actually goes one, two, three, honestly. And I don't even... I don't even... That's not even a knock on Michael B. Jordan directing Crete 3. I thought he did a very, very good job. I just... I just think that you could also tell that was a rookie director doing their thing,

which they brought a lot of incredible stuff to it, but just what Ryan was meant to do with direct movies. It's also a longer, it's a longer conversation, but it was definitely missing Rocky. Okay. So they try. They tried to do it without him, and you felt it. Anyway, so what do you guys think overall with this Ryan Cougar News? Should he do X-Men?

You're glad he's doing a Black Panther three? If that indeed is the case. Go ahead, put your comments in there. Can we talk about one second? The scoop breaker, though, was this is my time to shine? Hello? I immediately heard that I was like, wait. He's been killing it, dude.

That's like one of the big ones. That's a big one. That name, though. It works and sings. That's why. And you remembered it. And that's how he's getting, like, he's got a scoop of name. All right.

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I think it was clear. Maybe not. Anyway, let's continue with the rumored director stuff. Here's another rumor about directors. Another rumor here this time relating to Sony and Marvel's plans for a four Spider-Man movie. Could Aquaman director, James Wan be in line to hell in the project? Mark Cassidy. As Sony Pictures in Marvel Studios continue their search for a director

to take over from John Watson, Spider-Man 4. A new rumor is claiming that both studios might be an agreement on a filmmaker to take the helm of the highly anticipated no-a-home sequel. According to, my time to shine. Hello. James Wan is one of the directors in the mix to helm the movie, whether this means he's actually had discussions

about boarding the project, not clear. Juan has previously directed the likes of the conjuring, malignant, insidious, and both Aquaman movies for Warner Brothers. The Scoopers also claiming that Felicia Hardy, aka Black Cat, will make her debut in the movie. Felicity Jones played Hardy in the amazing Spider-Man movies, but never suited up as her costume alter ego, Anne Hathaway, who played Catwoman in The Dark Night Rises,

was all set to debut as an earlier version of the character and Sam Ramey's fourth Spider-Man movie before the plug was pulled. Rumors aside, we still know very little about the Spider-Man 4 and how it's shaping up. Sony's Tom Rothman and Marvel Studios head, Kevin Feige, are believed to have some disagreements when it comes to overall plot with the latter hoping to scale the multiverse elements back for a smaller story. Rothman, meanwhile, is said to want to capitalize on,

way home success by bringing Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield back as their respective takes on Peter Parker. Holland will, of course, return as the MCU spidey alongside Zendaya as MJ. But the actor is believed to be growing wary of playing the iconic hero, so this could be his final solo outing as the wallcrawler. Though he will almost certainly play a part in one of the event, or if not all the Avengers movies. This is a tough one because you said the scoopers usually on point. Yeah. But this could be one of those things. hey, here's a list of the people

that we think it's one of ten. And it could just be because he's made superhero stuff. It could literally be as innocuous as a director that's familiar with the material. Because if you look at what James Wan did with Ackerman One and two and I don't mean the quality of the movies.

I'm talking about business. The first one, billion dollars. The second one, oh, this is a stinker. That movie, because of the D. Everyone was like, no one cares about the D.C. You anymore. No cares this. And everybody.

And I think the second one was not a good movie. But it kept making money. Now, if it wound up making a profit, I have no idea, but it didn't lose them the kind of money that the Flash lost them. It was the best of that era. Money-wise, yeah. And the fact that it, and the fact that it, and the fact that it, you know, he had to go through a lot of struggles and bad publicity that he was going on with a lot of difference, not from him, but the stuff that was going on in general. And he fought back to do it. That would put him on my list. Do I think he's the right choice as a director for Spider-Man? I don't. He's such a spectacle director generally. I know he's in a lot of great smaller horror things. I like him as a director. I want to contain small Spider-Man.

And I think the impetus was, if we do John Watts again, multiverse, if we do, and if Kevin Feigey gets the argument, it's going to be small and more contained. It seems like they're changing the director implying that it's going to be smaller and more contained. I'd love a director that does,

not that James I can't, I just haven't seen it. I want a direct that does intimate filmmaking. There's been so many rumors, Winston, of who, I know that, like, Sam Ramey was up for this. There's back and forth on the Tom Holland of it. There's one that says that he is done with it.

And then there's another quote from him going, no, this character's been great. I'd like to play him for as long as I can. Is James Wan the right guy for this one? I just been sitting in my head this whole time trying to come up with like a DJ drop for, this is my time to shine. Hello.

I feel like he needs that before they need that over. Look, I think they need to get straight what they're doing first. Right. I think that and maybe the directors are coming with the writers and trying to pitch what they want to do. But I think you need to decide if this is going to be a street level situation or if you're going to continue a kind of Spider-verse-esque. We all, I think, are on the same page that we think it needs to go back to street level and just let Spider-Man be Spider-Man. We all are except Sony. Sony's the only one that's like, no, no, no.

Because I think the other problem, too, there's a reason kids, for the kids that watch this, there's a reason why. why your parents don't let you eat candy 24-7. There is a... If it's always candy, one candy's gonna lose, it's luster, but also two, you'll get sick and you won't grow and blah, blah, blah. I think that's the big MCU problem is if everything's an Avengers level event,

nothing's an Avengers level event. Absolutely. Yeah, and I think that that's exactly what Fige is making the argument about, and it's like, but Sony wants that big spectacle movie because their stuff isn't working. And there was this other, they're thinking about doing a Spider-Gwen movie first.

Like, get your other movies set up first. Do another, do another freaking Toby McGuire movie. Do another Andrew Garfield, if you're contractually able to. Like, because that's the thing. I don't think there's anything wrong with still building off of what you just did. There was clearly some success there and people were like, oh my God, this is great. So exactly. Go back and let Andrew go back and let Toby Cook.

I still go with the argument that if you really want to do that, then have almost like a Stanley and the let's see what's going on in universe, blah, blah, blah, blah. and give Toby 90 minute, a 90 minute short film to like do whatever, and then a 90 minute short film to the Andrew universe, so you can see both of them, and then you can go back to Tom. If you want to do it that way, I would rock with that. But like, do not force them all together again because you're going to lose the magic.

All right. So what do you guys think? Is James Wan the way to go here? Is the street level Spider-Man, the way to go here? Put your comments in there. There's a lot of other things we could talk about. We have a great conversation, though. So we're going to leave it as that.

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