The Kristian Harloff Show - When Will The First DC Movie Release Under The New Regime Of Gunn And Safran? | Capes And Cowls

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

DC hired James Gunn, we know that. How did Kevin Feige take the news, we will talk about that as well. Someone besides Gunn is leaving Guardians for good, who? The main question we pose with the DC news, when will we see the first project from Gunn and Safran? BOOM studios returns and presents some amazing selections in the comic book segment of the show. Join Kristian, Winston and Coy for Big Thing, Capes and Cowls! #DC #JamesGunn #superman #boomstudios OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 CHECK OUT THE OFFICAL LORD OF THE RINGS PODCAST ON AMAZON MUSIC! TIME CODES: 00:00 Intro 4:00 Winston and KH talk Black Panther Wakanda Forever premiere. 7:44 Guardians special thoughts. 13:30 DC hires Gunn, fate of DC moving forward. 23:55 Kevin Feige's thoughts on James Gunn departure. 28:00 When will the DCU announcements start to roll out? 33:40 WONDERY LORD OF THE RINGS PODCAST 35:10 Zoe done playing Gamora? The tone of films. 42:00 BOOM Studios presents. Comic Books. 57:30 What year will see the first release of the new DCU? 1:107:55 OUTRO AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Holy crap. We got so much to talk about. Obviously, we haven't had a chance the three of us here to talk about the big news with James Gunn. Heading on over with Peter Saffron to run D.C. for Warner Brothers. We'll talk about that, what it all means, what we think it's going to look like. And I'm sure there's a lot of thoughts and things. stuff that you guys want to talk about. And even to response to that, Kevin Feigy was asked about his thoughts on James Gunn going to run DC, and we'll cover that for sure. We've got so much DC stuff.

I mean, Superman Henry Cavill's coming back, and our buddy Josh Horowitz interviewed him last night. I'm going to play a little bit of that interview, and it's one of the first interviews. I think it was the first public one that he actually talked about what it was like, how it all went down. So we'll get into a little bit of that. Speaking again, the DC, Arkham Asylum finds itself a new I find as a creator. There's also now there's stuff with, speaking to Kevin Feigy, by the way, which I didn't mention.

He says the X-Men are coming sooner than we think, or he said it's coming soon, and we'll cover that. Boom Studios, they're back. We have a lot of stuff that they're, that they have coming out this week that we can't wait to talk about. Everybody's talking about the Power Rangers comic, by the way.

Every time we talked about we were with Boom, everyone's like, well, their Power Rangers run is amazing. So yes, we're going to talk about Power Rangers as well today. So there's a lot to talk about on today's show. And that's just a few things. And speaking of Black Panther, by the way, that's where Winston and I were last night. We had a chance to see it.

We're not going to spoil it. We can't. We can't review it. And Coy's going to walk out of the room, literally, when we start talking about the first reactions of that film. We won't cover it for too long because we're going to cover it pretty extensively on the show once we're able to. So what I will tell you,

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Let's get into capes and cows. I'm ready. You ready? Cool. Let's do it. Great. Welcome back, ladies and gents. It is a big thing.

Christian Harlaw. Thank you for joining us. I'm joined, as always, by Coy Jandro and Vincent A. Marshall. What up, boys. How are you guys doing? Excited, man. I'm good, bro.

That was, what a night. It was fun. Don't remember. We're not going to spoil. We're not. I just, I felt like coy for a day. It was amazing.

I know. It's true. You know? We had black movie premiere. So like I got to be coy. It was awesome. I'm so, I literally live like very close to that area and walking by was such an experience.

No, no. It was pride. Like it was really, it was really, it was really, it was really, it was really. It was really excited to see everything going up and to see all the symbolism and to see like

people get excited. Like it was, it was, I don't know. It was like, I felt mature for not having FOMO because I was just like, Those are people having the best time. What was so interesting about it is the only other one that I've been to recently was Thor.

Yeah. And just how much of a bigger scale Thor was than Black Panther. And I don't know if that was intentional they were trying to reduce it. I don't know if, you know, you think it was just too big? Well, no, I just, whatever it might be, or they invited, there was newer people that I had never seen. I mean, there's tons of always new people you haven't seen it. Sure. But I think a lot of the influences, a lot of people that I wasn't as familiar with. And there was a lot. And there was a lot that I normally see that weren't there.

Yeah, yeah. So it was either way, it was a, it was a fun experience. And it was cool because mentioning those influencers, I saw a lot of black influencers that I had no idea. But it was smart to invite them. You're talking about like RDC World who are huge. There's this guy name, I think his name is Joshua, who was a huge tick. Talker. Same thing. No, no.

No, but a lot, and I appreciate that too. I think the biggest thing you could have done is obviously when I invite everybody, but you really want to try and focus on the black community knowing what this movie is to us and everything. So I thought it was really well done. Yeah. So once again, when it's time, we'll get into some of those reactions because Corey has, respectfully has that we, he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to get spoiled by it.

I deleted my Twitter and Instagram, guys. That's like legit, the biggest thing I've ever done for. Not deleted it. Well, they're off my phone. Right. Like, the accounts are still. Right, right, right. Wait, wait.

Go back to my shot real quick because I, okay, I kick this box that's touching the camera and the camera wiggled. So I'm just making sure we're good. We'll wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. Yeah. Holds. Anyway, so what I will say is that I'm very excited for everything that we went and we had a chance to see it. I did my out of the theater reaction last night, which is doing really well on the channel right now. It's almost that I think by the time this air,

I think that it was shooting it, it was at 80,000. So I'm hoping that it continues going. I hope more people check it out and enjoy it. I did not spoil anything. Even people, it's like I say to people inside of the thing. I go, it's an out of the theater reaction. It's not a review. I can't review it.

And you always get the same comments from people. Well, this is probably a bless you review. No, it's not a review. Because if you look at my reviews, it was like a minute and 30 seconds. It's not a review. It's not a review. That's the first. And then you look at someone's Twitter reaction.

action. Same thing. That's part one. And then the other thing is I can't talk about this movie. Can you just tell me if so and so is doing it? I can't tell you anything. I can't tell you anything. But what I can tell you is that you should check out the reaction if you want to know a little bit more. All right, boys, we got a lot to talk about. So let's start with the first one. Oh, good. I didn't put any of the new stories in there. So good. That's okay. It's okay. I told them all. I got you. I'll tee you up, baby. But I don't do it yet because I got to actually pull the image. Well, no, no, that's fine. I'm just buying you some time. So that's it. Oh, you put, you put a...

What's up? First of all, what's up, Mom. I know you don't watch this show. But here I am. This is what I do every morning. Thursday morning. I would come here and hang out with these two white boys, and we talk about comic books.

It's pretty great. I am very excited, as Christian mentioned, about this Boom segment, because I have been trying to piece together specifically, and he mentioned at the top, why did I truly know Boom before we started doing this? And it's because of Power Rangers, bro. So I just...

I don't know what's wrong with me, but there we go. Yeah, I got it. So I got it. So I want to... I want to talk about James Gunn. Good man. Good man. Absolutely.

Because I saw, it's funny, because I was coming back in the day, and I saw, because Guardians trailer drops. And the holiday special? Yeah, sorry, the holiday special drops. And I remember saying to myself, okay, that looks fun because I'll tell you, the thing that I also want to talk to you is about that in general, before we get into this, is that I thought it was animated. Really?

I did not know it was a live action series. They shot at the Chinese. They, oh, I guess I knew because I physically saw the Guardians on the street. I am unfairly mad at you right now. And it's not, it has nothing to do with you didn't do anything. You didn't do anything as I've never told you. Those orange sodas are off limits. Yeah, you didn't tell them.

I didn't tell you. Do you know why they're off limits? Why? Because you can't buy them anywhere and my stupid ass bought them like, like, eight of them for $30 because you can't get them anywhere. Eight of them from. 30 bucks. Whoa, you love those orange sodas.

I do. Those are, that's beer price. You can't buy it anywhere. You have to eat. They're very limited. You can't, you can't buy them. I had to buy some right down. Supply and demand.

I'm totally kidding with you, but like, but not really. He's been $30 on an eight pack of bubbly water. I did. I've never thought of you as someone like boot. That's the mooseous thing I think I've ever considered. Like that's so like, bring me my bubbly. What comes to bubbly?

That's it. That's not your life. I will have $25 here for $15 in two days. Prove it. Prove it. Okay. Tell me where the delivery is going to be. It'll be here the seventh.

And what's the actual delivery? How much is it cost? Wait, they're adding a delivery fee? What the fuck is that? I told you. But that's disrespectful. Nice,

tone. That's so disrespectful. Don't you curse again. Look, don't, don't fucking testify. Hey, stop this. I just medits. Anyway.

$30. I bubble. Yard. The top. Gun guy? No, not the top gunner. Wow, that's wild. I told you.

So am I lying to? No, not anymore. It costs it. No, it's 15. Yeah. To get someone's ass to come over here and bring it. So anyway. Come out of Instaccar retirement.

Man loves this orange bubbly. I really, look, and you don't even tell me what I would have paid for the Apple. All right. So anyway, so this, this special when it comes, it comes out. I'm like, oh, this live action. So I watched it. And I was. going to react to it, but I was like, I don't know. I'm not sure. So I go and I check it out and I'm like,

it starts off and I immediately start getting like PTSD on Thor, Love and Thunder, right? Because I'm so bombarded and beaten down and sick of all the, the comedy that doesn't match, right? But I literally had a conversation with myself in my head that said, stop. It's a freaking holiday a special, you idiot. And it's like, and who cares if it plays, it plays into the lore, but it's just supposed to be a fun thing on Disney that just plays with Marvel and it's a comedy special for holidays. It's not, it's not the same thing when it ties into the overall, you know, when you go into the theater. So I watched it the first time going, I don't know, same kind of comedy crap. And then I watched it again going with, with that mindset going, this looks like

a lot of fun. I think it will be. I think the only major lore that it's bringing in, I mean, it'll be interesting to see if Kevin Bacon does anything beyond the comedy special, but is Cosmo, because we have seen him in previous entries, but just kind of around. Now Cosmo will be like

a main player, and that, other than that, it really is just, it seems like it's just gonna be fun. I love the idea of the Guardians on Earth, like, we haven't seen that yet. So that's really exciting to me is to see how they, like, interact with that whole world. What a great way to do it, right? Has he been back at all since? No, right? So this is like a good introduction, maybe we've got new music,

I mean, I guess, Thanos. Thanos, but yes, not on Earth. Wasn't he on? I remember that's how the Avengers compound. They all show up on Earth to fight Thanos at the end of end game, but they have not gone through Earth. Oh, right, right. Yeah, yeah, he's an experienced earth. Yeah, yeah, a portal to Earth and then boogie.

Yes. Okay, got it. So anyway, so that happens. That whole thing goes down. I'm watching the holiday special. I was like, okay, that's fun. That's a big thing that everybody's going to be talking about today. It was forgotten in 45 minutes because of the same.

Guy who directed that special was announced as the new head of DC, and he's going to be running all DC with Peter Safran, and that is, of course, one James Gunn. Now, again, there was this report that I read on the big thing, but I'll read again if you just, if you just, you know, I just tune in for capes and cows. Okay, I'm very proud of you. DC has found that it's Kevin Feige, or rather Feigeese.

Filmmaker James Gunn and producer Peter Safron have been set to lead DC's TV and animation efforts as co-chairs. and co-CE CEOs. DC Studios is newly formed division at Warner Bros. That will replace DC films and mark the end of a month's long search by Warner Brothers Discovery CEO, David Zazlov. I will call him Zazloff for this time.

I told you when he does something good. He makes good decisions. I get his name right. To replace existing DC film boss, Walter Hamada. Gun's going to handle the creative side. While Saffron will focus on the business and production side, both are expected to continue to direct and produce projects respectively.

Both will report to Zazloff, work closely with Warner Film Bosses Michael Duluca and Pamela Abdi. The initial overture to the pair reportedly came from DeLuca over the summer. One exception is going to be Todd Phillips Joker full of a duke, which will not fall under their purview and will be overseen by Deluca and Abdi. It's not clear present how much involvement they're going to have in the Matt Reeves, Batman. Everything else, DC though, will come under them. As As Aslov says in a statement, there are decades of experience in filmmaking, close ties to the creative community and proven track record, thrilling superhero fans across the globe, make them uniquely qualified to develop

a long-term strategy across film, TV, and animation, and take this iconic franchise to the next level of creative storytelling. Gunn and Safran, we're going to be working with top execs at Warner Bros., including WBTV's Channing Dungey and HBO's Casey Boyce, among others. DC Studios will share resources across the company. The hiring goes into effect on November 1st with the deal to last four years. Gunn's new project will be exclusive to DC during that time. All right. So let's talk about this because how many years? Four. Four. Okay. Four years they have. That is not a lot of time. Hopefully it gets renewed because this is the best thing they could have done. Well, yes, but we have to see it. Sure. Like he obviously Gunn has a proven track record as a filmmaker and as a comic book filmmaker.

So I don't have any problem with that, but it is a change of role. You know what I'm saying? He's not directing It's a massive change in role. It doesn't mean that he can't do it. He very much can. Like my cousin was a long-time agent with WME, and now she's flipped over to a studio exec and she's thriving. So there's no reason, same thing, that Gunn can't make that transition.

Same game. And it's the same game as a different position. In the game, it's just a matter, do you vibe well with that position? I also think that this is why Safran, who was being courted for it was like, no, no, no. And this is, again, there's a bunch of different reports.

One of the reports says, no, no, no, I don't really want to do this by myself. I think that James and I would work better. And I kind of think that the other report, which is that they've been courted at the same time together, which is more accurate, but they know each other, right? And it's not one of these things. The misconception that a lot of people are saying is that it's just, Saffron's the business guy. And Saffron just knows the number.

No, he's a super hands-on creative producer. Absolutely he is. He's a super creative producer in that. So don't just be fooled by the name of producer. He knows he's going to be able to tie in there, but the creative and the creative vision, the creative, you know, like chipping away will be gone. I mean, to that point, you could still say that about Marvel, too.

If you look at the model, obviously, Feigey is like the face. He's the Steve Jobs, but what is it, Espicito and Victoria Alonzo does tons too. Like both of them. The other two executive producers you see immediately after Feige every single time. Yes. Well, they're going to have producers below them for sure. But Fygi, and I talked about this on Big Thing yesterday, Cores, is that Fagie is a rare animal here

because he has that skill of being able to do everything that Saffron is doing and to do everything that gun is doing. And absolutely he's got people underneath him that help me. Otherwise he wouldn't be able. He can't do all this stuff on his own. But the main focus is Faggy. Now, I think Kathleen Kennedy tries to do that and can't. And Kathleen Kennedy needs, she should be the saffron and lead.

Have someone. I need a gun. Yeah. Do you have Favreau. Favreau. somebody else, whatever it might be, paycheck, Chepec, Safe, Sep. He needs to say, hey, listen,

we're going to do the same thing that they did over a Warner Brothers now, Kathleen. You're going to have someone co-run, Lucas. I mean, this could be huge if it works because that'll be a precedent that's said. Because, I mean, Kevin Feige, he's a one-of-one entity, and a lot of things had to line up for Disney to go this way. But he's also a showman.

So he's a great producer. He's a great showman, and he's a comic book zealot. So I think in having two mega producers, that solves the producing side. Then you've got two people that love and no comics that solves that, then you've got gun on stage. I can see gun bringing up people at Hall H. It's already established that this is the perfect pair to be the Figeese,

but I also think this gives DC a really good opportunity to thrive where Marvel isn't in that there is someone to bounce ideas off of. There is opportunity to have a kind of brain trust, and it's also the, these are the guys that made the R-rated stuff. Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad are because of these two. This gives Warner Brothers a chance to do what Marvel has never really committed to. And Ken to the Disney Banner. Be adults.

Like, let's have some adult content. Let's make the Suicide Squad. Well, to be fair, I mean, there's still stuff adult-wise. Even if you look, again, not going to detail. Black Panther, too, is a very adult-oriented film. But you can't play past a PG-13 with Disney. You just can't. On the Marvel side.

Yeah. On other things with... I mean, Deadpool might change that. But for now, this is the biggest hope for me to see things stay. Like the Matt Reeves Batman, I'm so glad it seems to be saying separate. And that's really arguably an adult film. Like, not an adult film. But you know what I'm saying?

So that is what I really want them to play both sides of. I think you should have a very happy, cheery, glowing Superman. But you also need to keep your Batman dark and gritty. And I trust Gunn and Safran to do that versus trying to make one universe that's going to be this mess, which is what we've experienced largely for the last 10 years. And I think that's the other thing, too, that they'll do a good job with. You will get there where you have everything built up. My beef has always been with the DCU.

You did it too fast. Yeah. There's no problem with bringing it together. It's that you just automatically went from, yeah, yeah, we're going to do Marvel, we're going to do Marvel. Man of Steel, screw that. We're going straight into Batman v. Superman. It was like, straight and just like that. There's five people in them ago.

And I'm glad you brought that point up because it's one of the reasons you do bring in a James gun because, yes, he has been on the directing side and producing side, but he's also, he's a student. Yeah. And he's been paying attention on what Kevin Feigy's been doing. 100%. And he's been paying attention with how it all's been running since he's been involved in, what, 2014 is when it came out. So he's been involved. And even before that, maybe when they started recruiting him to be part of it. So he's been paying attention.

He understands he knows how it works overall, right? So I think that that's going to be crucial to see kind of where it goes. And I think that people are wondering what James Gunn's going to do because James Gunn does have that more adult style. And he is a bit wacky and things too. But also remember that he's produced a lot of things that does not have that particular feel. And he was on the brain trust for Infinity War and Endgame. He's also the reason we went cosmic with Marvel. Like he was that big left turn with Guardians.

Guardians reshaped everything. Now, I will say, you know, there's stuff that there's sometimes that I want to see certain movies that I want to make sure that it differ and fits. And I want to feel sometimes when he, I think the suicide squad and peacemaker are some of my favorite DC stuff that has come out in very long time. But I do want to see something from James Gunn that I can't tell that James Gunn directed it. You know what I mean? Like that's what I want to say. I want to see a movie where I'm going, oh, wow, James Gunn directed that. That's right.

Like, because it's a comic book movie. I know it's going to be faithful to the characters. I know it's going to have emotion to it. But I want to go, like, the Suicide Squad, you could tell was directed by James Gunn. Peacemaker, you can tell this director of-in-in-in-in-old. Can you give me an example? It's his sense of humor.

Not James Gun. I'm sorry. Can you give me an example of a director that that's happened for you? Yeah. You watched a movie and you didn't know. What was the one that, Tim Burton did one. And normally you can always tell a Tim Burton movie, But he did this movie,

but that was it, Big Eyes, I think it was. I think it was Big Eyes. It was the one they did with Amy Adams and another one. And you certainly, if I told you that Burton did it, you'd be like, oh, okay, yeah, I can see that.

But it does, it's not the same, like, when you see Beetlejuice and Edward Scissor Hands and all these other movies, you're like, well, that's a, that's a Tim Burton movie. Like, and, and James Gunner is a very different style from those movies, but it's, instead of like the pure visuals of Burton, it's the, it's almost like a substance of the tone of James Gunn. You feel that in

there. And I just want to see that inside of DC because I think that's a bigger concern for some people. And I don't think he's going to do his, I don't think he's going to be directing her that hands on with everything. I think he's just going to be the thing steering the crazy ship. I think he's going to be good at picking directors, very good at making the overall 10-year plan and kind of navigating. People love them. The only reason why I asked you is I'm not, I'm not trying to count on your anything. I just, in my mind, I can't think. of a single director where I stepped back and was like, I almost always, if I'm familiar with the director, go, yeah, they, they clearly did that. Like, like every, uh, Wakowski

film. Clearly the Wokowski's had their hand in it. You can, you can sense their creative design, Spielberg, like every, even, even Ryan with Ryan Coozler. Look at the Wachowski's, though, right? Wachowski. Um, was I saying it wrong? He's a Wachowski. Mike Wachowski. Uh, Matrix, Inc. But you look at the matrix, but you look at the matrix, but and you look at Cloud Atlas is significantly different than those movies, and, like, Bound is significantly different. Yeah, Bounds are great. I haven't seen Bounds.

But, like, because in my mind I thought of, a minute I thought about the Matrix, I jumped over to like Speed Racer. And that genuinely feels like those feel, there are definitely tones. But either way, you know, I hear you just said. I think that, yeah, go ahead, go ahead. I was just going to say, in speaking of world building,

I think the best person to do this is someone that has known the comics and hasn't known the producing side. So James Gunn there, but I also think it's just fascinating that this, We're dealing with comic book mediums, and there is no more comic book origin than having your arch nemesis spawned from you. I love that, like, Superman created his own Lex Luthor and Kevin Fagie created his own James Gunn.

Like, you fire the dude five years ago, and now he's like, what if I take your job at the competition? I'm sure they're diplomatic. I just really enjoy on the comic side of things. Like, he literally built his own competition from scratch. Oh, it's genius. That's also when it comes to you, whether it's a Vincent McMahon or any of these people,

like from the day building up your competition or your talent that eventually comes to become your competition. The way I looked at it was like it's like a baseball or football team. For me, it was the Yankees. And when the Yankees got Johnny Damon, which I brought up to you. So Johnny Damon for years was hated by the Yankees. Hated, Clemens. Hated by the Yankees.

Came over to play for the Yankees. You know, like those types of things. And to have them come over and do that. And I'm glad you also brought up by the fact that he got fired. Right? Because that was in the height of where I still, and it still happens all the time where Pete was, it's like, oh, well, we could get in trouble for having somebody here. We don't really know all the research. So you're fired. And that's what happened, you know, to him. And then it was Dave Batista and everybody else who rallied around him. He had already gotten his job at the suicide squad. And then they're like, we're not going to do the next guardians. You don't bring him back. Yeah. And then they brought him back. And that very rarely happens. And we thought he was winning then because we were like, Like, oh, look, he's making a movie at both. Now he's running one of them. Yeah, because he said, I'm not doing,

and he said it at a Comic-Con, right? This is his last one that he was doing anyway. They knew it. I want, I want to know because Feigey, and we can get into this now, too. That was my tangent for us. I'm going to talk about the Kevin Faggy Cooks. I haven't heard it.

Well, so what he said, it was very brief, but they asked him, and they said, on the red carpet for Black Panther, everybody was asking him about it, obviously, and he knew that he was going to get those questions, but he said, well, he's doing something for us right now, which is the Guardian special, and he's going to be working with us until,

and then Guardian, so he's going to be working with us until, like May, so he's got a lot of work with us still, but then after that, I can't wait, I'll be the first one online to see, so see what he's doing.

And that's what I love is, there is no Marvel D.C. Ravory, and when I say, like, made a nemesis, I'm just saying that it's going to be better for Marvel if D.C.

is doing well. It's only going to, like, competition is only healthy. So I love that, like, Kevin Feigey made someone worthy of being someone that he's making movies opposite. And I think that him coming out of the Marvel pool is only going to benefit DC.

I agree, but I think Marvel needs, I think Marvel needs it also because they're like, Marvel's getting a little, little lack of day. That's a conversation of competition. Like, I think they need someone putting them on their toes a little bit. And I think this is the only way that's going to happen. Yeah, absolutely. I know we're not, we're not talking BP yet. But I think that this was the injection shot they needed.

And hopefully they can use that as a springboard with knowing that D.C. is now going to be nipping at their actual, their heels legitimate. Amman looks great. To keep things moving. It does. To just keep things moving. And I think that that's kind of what has to happen, a thousand percent. Because I even think, even though I didn't love Black Adam, I enjoyed it.

You know what I'm saying? And I think, again, you are setting a tone of trying to write the ship. And that's, I don't know if you saw that quote from The Rock saying this was kind of like the phase one kickoff was Black Adam. So I think it's really interesting. The same week this all happens we get, you know, because it seems pretty obviously that the Rocknew, because the hierarchy of power did change. And then he's saying this is the kickoff of phase one and all those things. I think that it's a good thing that James Gunn and Kevin Feige have mutual respect for each other.

And I think this is only going to make both studios stronger. But the other thing, too, is like y'all said, these are the types of jobs that you were mentioning a friend that was up for some sort of big job, Christian, that it was like an 18-month, two-year process. So, like, guaranteed Gunn has been in these talks for a minute in the middle of shooting Guardians 3 in the holiday special. Right. Right. But it's just a matter of like, okay, we know it's coming down the pipeline, so just focus.

And then we'll come back around to this, you know. And I think it's going to be a really interesting press tour. Guardians 3 is going to be fascinating because dude's going to be running DC while promoting it. It's going to be a DC Marvel fest. But that would be my guess is that maybe he doesn't start work until the press tour is over. He said November 1st? November 1st. Like, he starts working a week, dude.

Yeah, he starts to November 1st. Well, good thing you have a, the good thing you literally have a Wonder twin who can take over while you're doing press. and then come back. He literally starts in a week, and then he's got to do the entire press store through May. Wow. So he's in post-production on a Marvel movie. He's got to do press on a Marvel movie in five months

while he's starting to run DC. Well, so let me ask you that then, because as we started this conversation up top, four-year deal, as we said, not a lot of time because of this reason why, right? Now, I'm on different philosophies for different companies when it comes to the make-announcement deal, right? Lucasfilm, there's been a big report recently

that JPEC was like, hey, Kathleen Kennedy, stop announcing movies for Star Wars until we actually have them because this keeps happening and the fans and so stop this. I get that. I think that there's enough evidence to say, it's like the odds are probably not going to happen when you announce it because 90% of the movies we've announced they don't happen.

So I understand that conversation. Marvel, I understand that they do a lot of announcements because most of the time their movies do happen, right? What was the one that the one that they announced in the slate years ago that didn't happen? It was,

but it went up being part of the TV show instead. Oh yeah, that is rare. That was one, you're right? I think it was like phase two or three. Whatever it might have been, but there's some, there's some movie that never made, made it to light a day.

Not the immortal, what the hell was it called? Oh, the in humans. And then it was that awful Fox show. Yes, there was the inhumans movie. So they announced the in humans, that never happened. Very rare. You couldn't even think about it.

I couldn't slip my mind because that was only five years ago. Because they have enough of a plan to say we know what we need to do. Blade is an example of a movie that is put in, they want to make Blade, they have to be, but they have problems and they have to push it back and they have to do some stuff with it. But it's part of the thing, it's going to happen. It's just a matter of when and they have to shift. So I get it. So DC, and first of all, the name of it now, they made an official announcement also. It's no longer DCEU. It's now the DCU. Yep. And it's

DC Studios instead of DC films. Correct. So DC Studios and DCU now led by Safran and Gun. So November 1st, that gives you, I think, six months to a year to put together a few projects. Because you're going to get Peacemaker 2, which is going to come out. We know that. We have Shazam that Saffron's a part of already. You got Aquaman. Saffron's part of as well. Part of as well.

So those movies are going to start to play with that. Then they're going to start, I think that within six months, you're going to start getting announcements. But it's Comic Con of next year. Huge. That's what I'm thinking. I don't even necessarily think you give any announcements. I mean, you may be tease, but you hit Comic Con and that's what you do. I think that's a major announcement.

I think you do a little bit of Batman teases. You let the Matt Reeves Batman ride out. Yeah, because we announced, we had the announcement last week at the Batman too. And we have the Penguin show. I think you, you know, through spring into early summer, slow trick, linoos, and then your DC announcement of Holly is going to be bananas. You literally only announced things that are already things. So if, you know, Harley Quinn got renewed, so you bring that out.

Make it bigger. Joker 2, Batman 2, those are the things you talk about. And like you said, Comic-Con is when you now say this is what we've got planned. And that's perfect time. Because you also need James to finish

what he's already doing. And he'll be wrapped on the press store in May, so then he'll be able to kick off. And what was interesting, because they had that deal with, as they say inside of the report, when initially came out, that he's exclusive to DC now.

I mean, he's, obviously they're going to let him wrap up his previous commitments, but then he's exclusive. So he really, even with that, with the amount of time he's going to have to do on the press for Guardians. He's got three and a half years, basically. Yeah.

It's what he's got. Saffron's got four. He's got about three and a half. And it's interesting because, like, I feel like not enough people. To fully commit. None of people are talking about Saffron. Because I feel like when you look at his track run, he made an Aquaman movie billion dollars. He was, oh, hey, look at me, excited about Saffron.

Well, this is me talking a voiceover about me excited for a, there we go. So I think that people aren't giving him enough credit because Shazam was a sleeper hit. That was a very low budget, made a good amount of money. Got a sequel. billion dollar Aquaman, all those things. And he's very good at turning small budgets into big successes with his horror movie resume. So the guy's not only known for being a very hands-on

creative producer, not only known for turning these superhero movies into bigger hits, but he's a guy that works with a team well. So I think the duo of him and Gunn is going to be fantastic because I actually ran into him, like, on the street not long ago. And he was so curious what I thought of peacemaker, what I thought of Suicide Squad, and he wanted the hands-on, like, what is the fan thing?

What is this experience? How did this roll out? Blah, blah, blah. And that's something that I've only ever seen with Kevin Feigy. Every time I've talked to Kevin Feigy, it's always like, what are the people saying? What's the street, like, pulse? That's what the Rock was pushing really hard inside of those interviews, too.

It's like, what does everyone say? What's, this is a- I know, and I hate doing this because I feel like I do this every single time, but it's just what I know. I feel that that's what Lucasfilm doesn't do, right? And that's one of the big problems. Like, eventually we're going to have this conversation, whether it's a year or 10 years from now,

the Lucasum's going to make a move like this, because D.C. needed to move like this. Sure. They needed to move like this. And it's not like we didn't know that they were looking. And we knew it because Dan Lynn was up for it. And then apparently from the report is that Dan Lynn wanted too much and it was too hard to get him out of his universal job.

So they couldn't get him out of that. So then that's when they started to look around and going, okay, well, what about, because I think it was Safran who would recommend and gun who recommended Dan Lynn. Interesting. And then it was like, okay, well, he can't do it. So they start looking at Saffron. And then obviously we get to this.

And then because James Gunn at that point has to have that conversation with his wife. He's got a life commitment, man. That's a life commitment. It is a major shift in your life. General, think about busy he is as a director and a producer. It is a major shift because now you're responsible. Again, using those sports terms, it's a team that has a lot of championship players on it, but they can't win the title.

They're right there on the precipice of doing it almost all of the time. And they get a couple big wins and big games. but they can't win the title. And now here's a guy who played for the team that wins a title every other Thursday. Yeah. And they're like, okay, you know what? Take him off there. They got a chance to win the title.

So you're telling me that the Cowboys need to steal Bill Belichick and then we could finally get over the hump? But that's the best chance. Yeah, that's the philosophy. Yeah, that's the philosophy. I mean, he might moneyball it. He might get some weird C-list Guardians, the Galaxy characters in D. There's plastic band. There's like Zatana.

There's all these characters that should exist. And it's that HBO Maxine that they can do with shows and other things to do the way they're going to They're going to steal that Marvel model as they should. Justice League Dark make a horror. Because, I mean, Saffron and Gunn. If they make a Justice League Dark that's right in their alley. I agree. Well, these are the two questions that I'm curious kind of bouncing off of this, to be honest with you.

One, so what do you think that this truly means for the Guardians? We know that obviously Batiste is out after this. And so there was... I'm glad you brought that up because there is another report about that very thing that we'll get into in just a minute. Okay. Before we do it. I want to tell you, we're talking a lot about comic books. We're talking a lot about comic movies.

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And who's coming back, who's not coming back? Well, Gamora ain't coming back. That's the news. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3, this is from comic book movie. As always tell Donna, suggest that the 3, three-quel will be her last time playing Gamora. Guardians of the Galaxy volume three stars Zoe Salada has commented on returning as Gamora in the upcoming three-quel, but it doesn't sound like she instants to stick around

as the variant beyond this movie. A lot of heroes died in Avengers' Infinity War, but before Thanos snapped his fingers, the movie dealt his biggest blow when the Mad Titan killed Gamora. Throwing his daughter to her death, the villain was able to acquire the soulstone in one of the most MCU's most heartbreaking moments. In Avengers' end game, the time travel. that Gamora was able to return in the present day, albeit without any memory of her fellow Guardians of the Galaxy.

The 2014 era variant escaped in the Buckbuster's closing moments and will show up in Guardians to the Galaxy Volume 3 as the new leader of the ravagers. However, is that a new... It seems like a spoiler, but okay. They kind of tease that in the trailer. It was in the San Diego trailer. Oh, I'm a monster. I'm like, I'm just saying it like it's known.

This is what it said in the arms. Black Panther had no! However, rather than serving as a fresh star for Gamora in the MCU, it sounds like this might be the last time that we're going to see of her. She says, filming started bitter in the beginning because obviously you're anticipating the end, but I'm so happy that once again I got to work with great people. Zoe's Eldana Tell's Entertainment Weekly. I had an evolution that I witnessed of myself, but also my director and my cast.

I just felt very blessed and grateful. It was a very sweet departure, I have to say. That sounds pretty definitive, though we probably shouldn't be surprised. James Gunn is set on multiple occasions that the three-quel ends this iteration of the team's story, and we aren't going into the movie expecting some big character deaths. We are, as they said, okay, we are. So while we're sure the Guardians team will live on some form

and won't be with Gunn. His four-year deal with Warner Brothers as the head of DC Studios means any sort of MCU return is off the table until the end of 2026 at the earliest. Something tells us Marvel Studios won't want to sideline a team for that long. Okay. So that doesn't surprise me, and I think we're probably here more of this Because I think that Dave Batista is pretty much going to want

Guaranteed to wind up in the DC He's he's gun for life He'd be a good lobo Yeah, yeah He would be a phenomenal lobo But my only thing is though remember he himself was even saying about Drax, he doesn't want to be the superhero jacked anymore Yeah, he's gonna stay in shape, he's Batista, but he's like, I don't

I'm done do it like I did it all All of wrestling, and I did it all of the run of this character. I don't want to do it anymore. Yeah, I don't know if they'd have to have him jacked, right? Like, depending on how they set up the character, depending on how they, like, suit him. Like, he's got, like, a vest and he's shirtless, so it's tricky. Yeah, but, like, Lobo and a lot of times because he will get set on fire. Like, Lobo's jacked.

That's true. You know what I'm saying? I was just excitement. He goes, he whoops Superman's ass on the regular, like the back and forth. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. I think you're right. I think it's very, it's very possible that that's exactly the place.

because they've been trying to get that going for years. And Rock was rumored for it now. So, yeah, I think that this is going to keep happening. And I think that there's also the question that I was thinking, because of the relationship that Gunn does have with Feige, Fagie knew this was coming. Yeah, it wasn't like a surprise. Gunn probably told me that, hey, they're courting me for this thing.

He might have asked him advice. 100%. You know what I wouldn't you? Exactly. Why wouldn't you call, if you were like that tight with Figi and you had this opportunity, Wouldn't he be like your first phone call? They want me to be the you.

Should I be the you? I'm sure that conversation actually happened. Guaranteed. I would love to talk to either one of them to see if that conversation happened because I'm sure some iteration of it did. You obviously talked to him infinitely more than I haven't had spoken a word to him. But my buddy was assistant editor on BP and he was telling me just how Figi. Figi is the most I want to lift everybody up person you can meet. And so I would not be surprised.

at all. I'm sure. Like when he's when he was on the on the press line and he they asked him that question. I mean there's a few different variant um answers of but they're all pretty much the same where he's just like he's got to do work for us but then I'm going to be the first person online to to watch him and cheer him on. And I believe that. I don't that's not a sound like yeah yeah. I totally believe it. Everything I've encountered with that guy has been only hyper positive and hyper like trying to move everything forward and like you said lift everybody up which is so impressive. Why is success? Right. Because I have worked for people that are me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And like, just, I worked for a company that they didn't even give their employees, like, tickets to the premiere. Like, you have to let you, like, and you'd have to, like, go. Did you say egos collided at this place? Would you say this was some sort of? I don't think. It was Joe Silver's company. I was talking more recently. He was the worst with that stuff. It's like, it's like, everybody, we worked their asses off for that guy. And it was like, and it was at one, like, people are, oh, we're not sure if we're going to go. Oh, they got you tickets. But, but, but the employees. But the employees. are not going to go to the party.

It's like, what are you talking about? It's like, these are people like, get paid like $600 a week. Dude, like, what are you talking about? That was the other cool thing about the premiere. I don't know if you noticed, Christian, is it was all crew. It was like, obviously the cast of the video, like, there were so many people that were there that worked on the film. Every one of those ones that I've been to on Marvel and, and Lucasfilm, too, to be to get, as much as I, like, punched them in the ball sometimes. They care about their team.

They do, they do. They do. Absolutely, they do. And so does, and so does DC. so does Warner Brothers. Absolutely. So I just, I'm going back to the Saffron thing because I was so impressed. But the fact that both Kevin Fagy and Peter Saffron, when you see them ask your opinion, means these are now in good hands. And James Gunn's always been that way. But I'm saying like for these mega producers, like if you're not in the entertainment industry, producers usually don't care. Like they don't show emphasis on the individual watching it. They just show it on the business.

These are producers that care. And I do think that's why they're succeeding. And I, and I'm really excited. I've not been this excited for DC in years. Absolutely, and I think that it's because of the way that they're setting themselves up. I actually think that they're in a position right now to make better quality stuff that I like than Marvel at the moment. Because just giving my, not anything spoiler, just saying that I think that to me, what I liked about Black Panther, too, was that it was back to the form of the Marvel stuff that I like. Sure. That's why I'm off. I didn't delete my Twitter or Instagram for any other movie, like because Black Panther looks like the what I want. what I mean.

So that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Are there jokes? Of course they're a joke. Sure. There's jokes in the first one. But the jokes that you and I consistently talk about in the show, does it make sense that those characters would do it?

Right. And you and I both laughed and only we laughed during Internals many times because those are the jokes that worked for the characters. Right. And that's what I need. Oh, I did you to see it because there's one joke in particular that I couldn't tell if Christian got it or found it as funny as I'd like every black person at the theater lost your shit.

Dude, I'm so excited. So I got. Two, a week and a half. I'm so excited. Okay, so we have a lot more to talk about. And before we do, I do want to get into our new section, man. It's our new segment, and it is Boom. It's about the comic books. It could be about, it could be about Boom Studios,

and we'll cover a lot about Boom Studios, who are our partners on this segment. But there are other comics that Coy, certainly I'm sure, is reading. We're Winston's reading something, but these are all things that are going to turn into movies or TV shows down the line, I'm sure of it, especially in the landscape that we are today. But let's go right off the bat here. And the first thing I want to talk about as far as when it comes to Boom Studios is,

I have never heard as much about Magic the Gathering than being friends with both Ellis and Van Bay. And so I had no idea that Boom was doing this. This is pretty awesome because it's the 30th anniversary of the iconic card game Magic the Gathering. And people love this. I mean, swear by it. And how valuable a lot of these cards are.

It's incredible. Like people, I mean, it's life for some people. So right now, fans are gathering all over Las Vegas. And they're there right now, and they're going to commemorate the milestone of the magic 30-year convention. That's pretty awesome. Especially when you can hit something for 30 years. Man, we did Shemotan for nine years. And I thought that was something.

No, I'm telling you. Nine years is a long time. It is fantastic. And boom, studios, they're proud to announce that they're going to be actually joining the festivities with huge savings on the entire line of magic comic books. They have the whole thing, and I have this right here, and I think that you even have a little code there. If you're Magic the Gathering fan,

you can check the code out right there. And if people weren't aware, Boom Studios has actually been publishing the official Magic of Gathering comics for a few years now, featuring all the fan favorite plainswalkers, locations, and villains from the card game. So if you're a big Magic fan,

you haven't been following the series, now is the perfect time to catch up. They have the hardcover collections, and they're available for 30% off right now on Amazon.com. Wow. It'll catch you up for the release of volume three, and that comes out in December.

If you prefer to read your comics digitally, you're in luck, because all of Booms' magic issues are on sale for 50% off through the end of the weekend. Are you kidding me? Damn. Go. Go. So you can go and do that. Make sure you can find all the links. You can go to Boom-dash studios.com slash magic slash sale. I will do, I will have the link in the description, or just search magic on Amazon.com. I think you can also just, like you said, that QR code will get you there. Are you guys magic fans?

Oh, yeah. You are. It's a big for me. It's what you are. It's too much. Too much. Like, I do so much comics.

I see. I am not, I am not Bateman with it because it sounds like he's gone the full on professional. Which is funny. If I remember correctly, I think I played him one time

and I beat him and he got so mad. Because it was, it was an old ass deck that I had from like high school. And I just randomly used it against him. He was like, you son, Every so often there's a fandom that I'm just like, man, if I'd started five years earlier.

And I know it's not an intimidating to entry. It's just the volume of what I'm consuming with comic books. My daughter's a Pokemon. And like she's playing these games. And it's like you might as well be reading German to me. But the fan base for that series and the fan base for these cards. And the fact that Booms do in the comic books, that I'd be very interested in. That would be my gateway.

Because I speak comic book. Right. And to learn more about it in that way. And in the same way, so for me, like, for like Arcane. Like, I can't get a league of legends, and I can't get it. I won't be able to play those games, right? But man, was I interested in the lore after watching Arcane? Did you ever watch it?

Yeah, that's rad. It's so incredible. It took a while. Dude. It's one of the better end of it. It's so good, dude. Treat yourself this weekend. I will.

No, no, I definitely will. Because the funny thing is, is like, I was big in that I love the game. I didn't get super crazy into the lore other than the Plainswalkers, what they're talking about is almost like the main character you play as with your deck. they kind of evolved the game to do that. They built that out. So I know a little bit about that stuff, but the full on lore that they've done with the comics

I'm not as familiar with. Check it out. Well, something I know that you are interested. Oh, boy. You've been talking about. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen, go, go, power ranges. Who, who, who, who.

Now, I have never seen so many comments. About one thing. Right? You saw it, right? Because people are very excited that we're doing this thing with Boom, but they're like, the reason why we love so,

Boom so much is because of Power Rangers. They had the Power Rangers comic. It's so good. It's awesome. Raving about this comic. I mean, I saw so many comments. And people picking up Power Rangers and then one of the things we talked about, which I liked. Like, people were like, I've been on Power Rangers.

I also picked up Berser and I was like, yes, one of us. Yeah, people are loving the Power Rangers stuff from Boom. And if you are, you're in for this week, because it's a huge week for Power Rangers fans, issue 101 is available right now. Now you got the, after the epic culmination of the charge to 100, This issue is going to usher in a brand new era for all of our favorite Rangers, recharge, and ready for a bold new direction. Dude, it's so good.

It's like just even this first book, the setup of where they're going. It literally felt like to me you're excited to come back into a Game of Thrones and they finish the first episode of the season. You're like, oh, my God. Like that is, I don't want to get into it because I want people to read it, but you've got all seven of the Rangers like... You're loving this comic, man. a terrifying new scope

and getting more into lore. That's the thing that I really love about it is they really got into more lore of Zordaun and kind of how he ended up as a floating head. Oh, that's pretty great. I will also say at Booms Booth, this last Comic-Con, they had a bunch of the actors

that play the Power Rangers, like the new wave of Power Rangers. And when I was a little kid, I remember waiting like three hours in line to meet a Power Ranger, and then it wasn't one of the real ones. It was like someone in a giant oversized head. And I remember being like as a kid,

excited than two years later looking at a photo and being like, I've been hoodwinked. But then at this boom thing, it was really cool to see the excitement of kids meeting the real ones. So I had this really cool moment of like retroactive nostalgia seeing those little memes. So boom, booms for the people.

Well, you can check that out now. Make sure you do. And so as we move on, there's a lot of great stuff coming out right now. Here's another. So we have some stuff that's coming out. Upcoming releases. So this is pretty great.

So one of the, one of the releases that we have right now is Behold Behemoth number one Now this is the one that you checked out right, Corey? I checked out the yes, I've checked out this one And I checked out the other one talking about this week Okay, so Behold Behold Behemath is is I mean I did this little jammy here

Oh look at that I got in a second Yeah, the energy in this art made me so happy So this is one of those comics that you like turn pages And you just go And you just like experience it Because it's got this scope It's got this supernatural energy to it

that I really dig. But I also love how human, you know, certain characters get to be immediately. You're immediately endeared to a lot of characters while you've got this crazy scope. So I was very impressed to this number one. And I was also, uh, damn them all, which we're going to talk about in a second. Maybe the most impressive number one. I really love that. You know, it was so good, right?

Let's talk about that one first. And we'll come back to Bohemian number one. Simon Spurrier, one of my favorite writers, hard stop. I told you guys last week, Simon Spurier, a big, big fan. Simon Spurrier did a short run on Constantine that I was obsessed with. And then this book came out and I was like, I don't. rather have him do this because it gets to have his own universe built instead of being beholden to any continuity whatsoever, you're getting a Constantine S story with all that incredible

Guy Ritchie-tinged dialogue, the insanity of like this this underworld coming at you, the rules they built here. I love their lead character. It's so good. What's so good about the fact that you guys have been watching capes and cows, we talked about this not too long ago, the last episode or the before of all the good news is that you can go get it now because it's out in stores right now. So if you missed our conversation about it, it is an action horror series, and it's drawn by the artist on The Walking Dead, Charlie Adlerd, and writer Simon Spurrier.

So as we just said, we checked it out. It's literally, it's going to be probably one of the biggest series of the fall so you don't want to miss it. The language feels good in your head. I kept rereading lines and just, like, marinating the language. And I can hear the accents, which is crazy. Well, that's why I told you guys last week when we talked about it was that that Constantine,

type feel, right? And that idea that this is one that you, as I mentioned in the beginning of the segment, this is one of those ones that you're going to see this it'll happen. I guarantee you. This is one of the ones that's going to transfer over and they go, oh, we heard about a Cates of Cowles first. Absolutely. Hell yeah. And I mean, I think

the thing that really got me about Damn the Mall is even putting a twist on what you normally see. Again, don't want to spoil anything. But what we think of like demons and familiars and how differently they're addressing it in this first book,

I'm like, oh. And the opening pages being in POV was fun. I really like the style where they had the opening two pages. Then there's a little tiny mini twist. It's creative and it's always, you always wonder because even if there's like, I mean, the story is significantly different

from other things that we saw, even though I mentioned like Constantine, there's the familiarity, but it's a very different story. But it's, you always wonder, well, we've seen these types of things. How are they going to make you unique?

And as you mentioned, when you're not like that is about as unique as it gets. It's soap. And then the other book they've got, Like I kept turning pages and just going like this art. Like I didn't know the artist. And I just got being like, I love the scope, the feel. Like, look at this.

And if you call a book Behold Behemoth, it better be big. Like so I was really impressed that it felt because you're looking at, you know, a 2D rendering of something. That could look tiny or it could be a behemoth. And I was just so impressed. And for people for that one. So we had a chance to take an early look at it. And it's an upcoming release this week. This is one of the boom titles.

And fans are really losing their minds about it. So if you, and we talked about it, I think, last week and the week before, which was killing the children. You know there's a spinoff series and it's called House of Slaughter last year. New issue this week? That's coming out. So issue number one launched with almost half a million sales and it's massive for a comic book release, even by Marvel and DC standard. So the co-writers of that series, Tate Bromble, is launching his first original series and he's publishing it with guess who? Boom!

And he's collaborating with the artist Nick Robles. The series is called Behold Behemoth, as Koi, and we were just talking about. It's a supernatural mystery about a man who begins having vivid nightmares about a terrifying monster dreams that start to bleed into the real world, which I love. I love when they do that kind of stuff, who meets a young orphan girl who might just be the key to unlocking the mystery or the key to ending the world. I'll tell you, man. You'll be shocked how quick you love these characters. I already am telling you right now. And I'm going to say this, even if Boom's like, that was a fun little run that we had and, you know, see you some other time.

we never get from a member again. I would say this next week after they left. Boom's going to be a major. Already he's becoming a major player. Boom's going to be one of the players pretty soon because of stuff like this. When you see, this is, can you, everything that we just mentioned here, is that not a television show? I would tell you if Netflix is in much trouble as they're in, if they wanted to figure out what IP to be a lot. Do a deal with boom.

And because at that point, since Boom studios, because they don't, have they started a full film studio, or they're just getting berserker ready for a film. Yeah. And show. And show. Okay. They're doing a lot. But they have like a film production studio.

It's a division. It's a division. Yeah, yeah. But like they're starting a berserker, which is smart. And they're branching out to TV also with that title. The smartest thing they could do is partner up with Netflix, which is already trying to figure out what to do with their studio and let that the same way that you watched. I know, I know Star Wars got bought out by Disney. But like, you know how I'm saying that partnership kind of started.

I don't know how, I don't know what their deal is or who they. They might have a deal already with. I'm sure with all the kind of content that's out there right now and people needing content and IP. And they think five years ahead. Boom. Boom knows that. The funny thing is I think that Netflix needs them more than. Oh, I'm 100%. I totally agree. That's my point. With all these, every time we talk about one of their projects, this isn't just like, we've, we've all worked with companies. We're like, hey, we have these things. And you're like, it was fine. Consistently working with top tier artists, authors. And, and. putting together fresh stories in a time when a lot of this comic book stuff that we have, unless you're trying to keep up with the Marvel or DC, it's hard to do. So to make these new kind of fresher stories, and they don't just play in the horror plays.

They play in the sci-fi. They play in the fantasy. And that's why I think that they're becoming a major player. You're going to start to see, I'm telling you, within five years, you're going to start to see so many more movies and TV shows that are coming out going, Boom Studios Presents. Boom Studios Presents. There's only two comic companies.

they put out a lot of number ones because they give a lot of new creators a chance and the only two that I will pick up no matter what are boom an image like if there's a number one from boom I'm reading it and if there's a number one from image I'm reading it but I don't do that for Marvel or DC anymore

yeah I mean it's tough there's so much yeah well and it's a lot of repetitive stuff but anyway besides boom what do you read what do you read so yeah I wanted to also plug deadly class number 57 it is the last issue of deadly class do you remember that show deadly class

that was on for a season and got unceremoniously canceled Benedict Wong was on it. That's why he came to cloud of that one day. Oh, was for Deadly Class. Is that what it was for? Yeah. I'd probably talk to him about it. But it was this really great show.

Probably why he was there. Like, I don't know. It's not taking a short memory pill. Cut to you on the take of like, I love Deadly Glass. But there was this show called Deadly Class. I loved it. I've done that, by the way. I've watched things and totally forgot that I've watched. It was great.

So the comic just ended. This is the last issue. So Issue 57. It's really hard to start a comic. It's maybe even harder to finish a comic, especially run that's run six years now. and it's got a beloved fan base and I just wanted to give some love to issue 57

because it's one of my favorite indie comics of all time. It's one of my favorite comics I've ever read. It is a comic that is a political commentary that is a commentary on how we treat people, you know, the homeless, the disenfranchised, but it's also at its core a Hogwarts for Assassins. It's a medalist fuck school that, sorry, I did a Winston.

It's a school that basically trains mercenaries to take people out and how do you stick that landing? How do you make it feel like you've grown up with these characters for six years, and how do you send them off into the sunset? And it is so bittersweet and it is so powerful, and the writer poured his heart into it. The artist just gave his last.

And I was so emotional finishing this book. It was like when I finished the Before Sunrise trilogy where I'd been with them for so long. It was that in a comic book. So it's so special. I just highly recommend deadly class pick up. Well, there you go. And once again,

for everybody who was checking out this segment, we're excited once again, Boom. It's on. It's on. And I'll tell you, man, we were having, we're having, I, I love that segment of the show because I think that from the feedback that I get from you guys. So please, even if you're not reading comics yet, let me know in the comments, what stood out to you, what sounds interesting, what are you thinking in general about the segment? What do you like?

What do you want to see us cover next week? If it's, obviously we're going to have boom stuff that we're going to be covering, but if you want us to check something else, something that you're reading. that we haven't. Can you stump coy? Will you say something that Coy's like, I don't know what that is? Total Request. Live, comic edition. Bring it. Let's do it. So anyway, let's move on over.

We talked about the Gamoa news for sure. And then there's this Arkham news as well. And where are this popping from? I don't know if it's dark horizons or where it was. But they're doing, I mean, it does lead into the James Gun, or continue on from the game. James Gunn's story, what the hell is going to happen with Batman 2?

That's first of all. And then there's also this Arkham series, how it all plays in. Now, I know that they say that it looks like, what's the movie that they're not going to, Joker. So Joker is not going to fall under their banner. Right.

But this kind might. So, I mean, this is an active development, so I'd imagine they're kind of planning out their DC black label, where they're having stuff off sides. That's what I was going to ask you, quote. You think they're going to continue to do it? that or they're just going to, the projects that they have on the black label is just to have

it now, but they're going to really focus more in the DCU. I think that with how big Batman is and how low cost, high profit it is, they are going to continue out their TV shows and the Batman universe separately. That I know. Okay. Are you saying? I'm talking about beyond that more because I think so. You think so. I think that that, but remember the four, you have four years. That's true. That's what I'm saying. That's, it's like, I'm not telling, like, I, I thought that the DC strategy of because they were trying to do what Winston said before where they they were like, oh, you know what? Manistill did okay, not what we wanted it to do. I love that movie, but it's like, we didn't do what we wanted it to. And then we got Ben Affleck, put him in a movie together.

And they rushed it and it was, and the people that were running there was a disaster. They didn't do it right. I actually thought over the last like four or five years, even though they didn't, they don't have a, now they do, but they didn't have a DC, you didn't even know what the DC was. Right. but what they were doing was the side projects, Joker, the Batman, I guess the Suicide Squad kind of fits in.

I don't know where that happened, but either way. Technically, I guess, kind of. You keep Harley and you keep Amanda Waller, so it's still technically DC. Yeah, I guess so, but you are. So those other two standolins and you do that. I thought that was interesting that they were doing that.

And I liked that they were doing that. It was like, it reminded me being a kid reading the comics, and I've always put it to you like Meltdown. Yeah. It was one of my favorite comics with Havoc and Wolverine. And it was just kind of like a standalone kind of, kind of thing that just the same way Logan was kind of like a standalone thing.

So that was because they didn't have a, they weren't trying to focus in on the DCU. So I was like, oh, let's just make some money why we can with four years to the two of these guys. As soon as you said four years again out loud, I think they're going to focus up. I think it's going to be, it's going to have to be the central thing. And then I think Joker and Batman are the only outside things. Right. I think you're right. Yeah.

It's just only because of the time. It's just so big. It's because if you're, if so if the three of us were hired to do this, you guys got four years. And we're sitting around in a room and we're like, okay, we want to do this, this, this, and this. We're like, guys, we don't have enough time to do that. Sure. If we're going to, because remember, one movie, one movie you got to, if you're lucky and you rush it, you can get it out in two years.

If you're lucky. But I think, I think here's the main reason you focus solely on the DCU. You let Reeves and Phillips do whatever they want off to the side because it's making you gangbusters. Right. You have to. You'll get the win on it regardless. You'll get the win on it. regardless, but sure you got Cavill back, but for how long? And it's not because he wouldn't stop wanting to be the character.

He is eventually going to age, and then you're going to either have to tell older, like, like, age Superman story, you want to take as much focus on Cavill while he's still prized him. He means he's probably, what is he, almost 40? I thought he was like 42 or 43 already. Is he? Let me see. Let's see.

Let's find, that's Henry Cavill's age. Let's see. I'm going to say he's 38. I thought he was like 42. I'm going to go 41. 39. 39. All right.

So you got him. So four years. You got him for 10 at least. No, no, I get that. But if you get 50 years old, he can,

I mean, come on. But if you got, like 52 or, but if you've got four years. That's not true. Then he'll, 48.

I'm going to go out for like 48. He's 50. 50. 50. So you know what I'm saying? So like, knowing you have him in what you would argue

his both acting and probably physical prime. I mean, obviously I'm sure at 25 he would. But like to be a grown-ass Superman, This is his prime. Sure. You need to, like, use that while you can.

Same with Gal. I'm sure Gal will want to continue to be Wonder Woman. And Blackout and the Rock, the Rock's, 50-year-old. So all of these actors who are signed on to continue to play these characters, you have to focus in and make sure it goes right with them because you want to walk away four years from now and go, damn, like we at the very least got a 2012 Avengers out of this. And then Crisis and Infinite Earths.

Right, but look at Robert Downey Jr. Robert Dyn Jr. was in his early 40s when they signed him. Yeah. He played the character. And two is what, 53 years old. 10 years. Yeah, that's, you're 100% right. That's exactly what they need to do. And if you're going to, you need to build it out.

And especially because the goal for them is probably this. Okay. We put together movies, we got to get one out. Hopefully, if their deal starts on November 1st, 2020, they're going to try to get a movie out. Like one of their, not talking about the movies that are ready, not Shazam, not Aquaman, because those things will come out and they'll get some,

you know, they'll get, and the flash. They'll keep them afloat. They're going to keep them afloat. But their original, their movie that they come up with, you're not going to see until a year left in their deal. So you're probably not going to see one of their movies for like three years. And then how those first three movies do is going to determine if they do

another four years or five for whatever. Because they'd have to develop a movie. They're just starting in November. They develop a movie that's signs of people that get thing in production. They have to announce it. Let's say within a year. And then they get, and then let's say it takes, two years. Normally it takes about three, but let's say it takes two. You're looking at three years

from, from, I don't know. But they're already cast, for a little head. I don't know. The universe already built. Here's the only reason why I sort of disagree on that, and you might get a little sooner. Because both of them have already had hands. So you said Saffron was in Aquaman. Yep. And then you had gun with both the suicide squad and peacemaker. Right. They're already jacked in. So I would not be surprised as part of their interview process. Pitch us. What are, what are you see? And I think that they might already be in production with that stuff. And I can see Henry Caval. Not, not, not shooting.

Not shooting. Pre-production. Pre-production. Scripts. Okay, so even if they're in pre-production. Still, if you look at pre-production, pre-production means they have somebody cast. Is somebody cast?

Or you're saying pre-production even before cast? I think not only casting, but they probably have like at least a first draft of one of the projects they want to do. Fine. So let's say that's the case, right? And so let's say that by July, as we said, they're going to announce that project when it comes out. So that's July of 2023. I think you see some in 2024. I agree.

You think within, you think within, I think late summer, 2024. Late summer, summer, summer 24 is when we see one of their original movies. I think so. I think so because I truly, I truly believe because they have already been there,

I truly believe that they've already kind of positioned something, and that might have been the thing for Zavloff to be, that's a year and a half away. Yeah. I think, I think it's, I think at Comic-Con, put together a movie,

I think movies pretty deep. I think if they do that, that's a, that's an error. It's, it's potentially dangerous. But you think about... A year and a half, you can't push a movie out in year and a half.

But think about the pieces that are already in play. Think about the fact that, like, we've already talked about the Flash and how... How all that is and what that's doing. Black Adam, we just got reintroduced to Henry Cavill, peacemaker, suicide, all this stuff that they are cutting out, but the stuff that they already are like, we have the pieces in there, I would not be surprised if we hear word that all of a sudden by literally as soon as as Guardians ends, they're already filming something. Okay.

but even if they start, okay, so you're saying, so September. He's not necessarily directing it either, James Gunn. So therefore. So if they start filming, but again, it's not TV. TV, you start filming a year beforehand, you have it out in a year. That's not a film works. It's going to be, you're going to be looking at, you're going to be looking at least if, if they have some magical project that they have a script done and they have casting and they have all that done and they start shooting in August of 2020. You think that we're going to get a movie just one year later in.

And they're going to release it in all. And they'd have to release it. Like July. Right. I guys are adding. We'll see. We'll see. Let's put a bet.

Let's put a bet on this. Orange fucking. Excuse me. How much orange bubbly? Orange bubble. How about how about $200 steak? How about Joe's pizza? Let's be honorable.

I'll do. I'll do. Okay. Because that's that's in between prices. If we get past July, 2024. For Joe's pizza. Yeah. Fine.

Okay. On that note, I just realized what time it was. I got to. I guess it'll be the last summer blockbuster. Truthfully. Then they're doing something wrong. If their first movie out, they're releasing in August, then they're doing something wrong. Last week of July.

I'm going to say last week of July. August is not a big spot that you want to do your first movie. They're putting out Blue Beetle at that point, right? I have confidence in that movie. But the reason why it's in August is because it's not a well-known property, right? It's also probably not a super big budget. And they can make a profit on in August and it can be in August. Normally, it's May.

It can run the whole theater. End of April, like, maybe first week of August. Okay. I didn't know that. I thought the dead zone was September. I didn't realize that it was August. August is not a dead zone, but it's not where all like the big, even when, even before the pandemic, it's never where the big sweet spot is.

Normally the sweet spot is it started to get into like the, like, the, like, Avengers started coming out in the last like May, yeah. Well, the last week of April. Yeah, that changed everything. It was coming out the last week of April. And that will start to happen again as more things come out. But May is the big, no pun intended, boom spot. June, July is usually that July 4th weekend was always big.

And August, the first week in August, sometimes, the first week, sometimes. But after that, it's like a trickle. This year you got like beast and other things. No, no, no. I guess why I was confused about that is because my mindset is that, again, if I felt like they already had something going, giving you just enough of that little runway, I was assuming that you make it as like the last thing you have to see. before the kids go back to school.

So that's what I was saying. It just weirdly doesn't do well, because some people go back to school so early and stuff. But on that note, gents, I got a boogie and let you talk about Wakanda. We're going to, we're going to wrap it up. So actually, we'll talk about Wakanda next time.

Stick around for, stick around for second. I'll wrap it up. Thank you guys. I just wanted to say for, Corey's got to take off. We'll do, we have so much coverage going to be coming out on Black Panther Wakana forever.

But make sure once again, I'll put the links in the description for, for, um, for, uh, boom and everything else too. Thank you to our friends over at Wondery, for and everybody. And thank you to you guys. Make sure you comment.

Let us know. This was a great conversation because there's so much to talk about. D.C.'s really heating up. And this is also not only was Corey Wright where it's going to breed more competition for Marvel, it's going to give us and you guys a lot more to talk about now too. So no chance.

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