The Kristian Harloff Show - WHO WON 2025 MARVEL OR DC?

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

Is Spider-Man really sitting out of Avengers: Doomsday?! New reports suggest that Tom Holland's Spider-Man might not be part of the massive upcoming Marvel event film — but what does that mean for the MCU's future? Kristian Harloff breaks down the latest rumors, news, and official quotes in today's show! We're also diving into more huge updates across Marvel and DC, including: 1️⃣ Spider-Man Sitting Out "Avengers: Doomsday"? 2️⃣ LANTERNS Official Merch Leads To Speculation That DCU Series May Introduce Or Build Towards Something Big 3️⃣ AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY Star Channing Tatum On Dialing Back Gambit's Accent & His Reaction To The Script 4️⃣ VISIONQUEST Showrunner Talks Ultron's Return & "Very Different" Episodes If you love movie news, Marvel updates, and comic book talk — hit that subscribe button and join the conversation every week on The Kristian Harloff Show! #SpiderMan #AvengersDoomsday #Marvel #MCU #TomHolland #ChanningTatum #Gambit #VisionQuest #Ultron #Lanterns #DCU #MarvelNews #DCNews #KristianHarloffShow #MovieNews #ComicBookMovies SPONSORS: NUTRAFOL:  See thicker, stronger, faster-growing hair with less shedding in just 3-6 months with Nutrafol. For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to https://www.Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code KRISTIAN. UPSIDE: Upside has given back $1 Billion dollars to its users. To find out how much you could earn, Download the FREE Upside App and use promo code KRISTIAN to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas.  STRAWBERRY.ME: Head to https://www.Strawberry.me/KRISTIAN to claim a special offer and get started. Stop settling. Start building the career you actually want! 

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Why not? He's sitting it out? It's a good thing, bad thing. So Lanterns, the official merch, leads to speculation that the DCU series might introduce or build towards something. Avengers Doomsday star Channing Tatum talking about dialing back the accent. He also talks about reading the script. some Vision Quest news and other things. So we got a lot to talk about here today on capes and cows.

I'll talk a little bit about my Comic Con experience. I'm going to keep up on Winston to see if he's been continuing that fitness journey. Give him some S.H. if he isn't. And that is what we got going on here today on the show with myself, Winston A. Marshall, and of course the great Chris Carr. So let's get into it, everybody. It's Christian Honour show. It's the Capes and Cal's.

Caps and Cal's show. Kaps and Cal's, Christian Alar Show here today, starting with Chris Car. Crew is back. What happened? I don't know. I just, did you cut out right when you clicked that? So I just starting with, and then I was just there and blurry. I was like, what the fuck is happening?

I don't know. Now you look good. Winston, you're continuing on in the gym? Yeah. Yeah, how many days you're going? I mean, every day that I was supposed to. The only day that I'm going to have to switch is I won't be able to go today because I've got too much. I'm going to go in the morning.

Excellent. So, yeah, you've been going about four times. I like it. I'm excited for you. I'm pumped free, man. So good for you. So far, so good. I mean, I, uh, oh, I guess I can announce it now because I was just waiting before.

So, uh, you, both of you know, but I actually got engaged last week. Yay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, to, um, To who? To

Right. First person I saw on the street, bro. I said, look, I can't do this anymore. You want to get married. Right. Someone else. No, but to my long-time girlfriend, Kristen, but I sent her on a day-long scavenger hunt. And before bringing her out to me where I proposed.

And I was nervous as shit. So on Saturday, same thing. I got busy on Friday. So I went on Saturday. and that's in the regimen when you said shoulders. So I'm out here trying to get an incline bench so I can do a lot of this stuff. Nice. And this dude was like, bro, I'm already on that shit.

I said, I get it. I get it. Can I just work like these two sets? He goes, hey, I said, I'm on it. I said, bro, look. And I pulled the regimen. I'm getting engaged in six hours. Can you please?

Oh, shit, dog, you got get your workout in. Go, go, go, go. And then he went into the treadmill and came back when I was done. That's hilarious. Funny. Well, good. Congratulations to both you guys.

I'm excited for you. Really awesome. So good news to start off our day. Maybe not so good news for everybody who's thinking Spider-Man's going to be in the Doomsday. What a segue. Oh, thank you so much. Thank you so much.

How about this, everybody? This is Spider-Man, Tom Holland, sitting out for Doomsday? Dark Horizons writes this article. Rumors about the Avengers films crop up every day, but one that emerged in the past few days has gained a lot of traction. Scooper Daniel RPK reports that Tom Holland's Peter Parker is skipping out on Doomsday, but with good reason.

They indicate his characters expected to have a huge role in Secret Wars, serving as one of the most significant characters in the film that will end the multiverse saga and lead to the new phase of the MCU. Report makes sure to note that Holland's status in Doomsday is as of now. though the film has wrapped the main shoot. Extensive rewrites and reshoots are expected earlier next year, which could impact things. This fits in with what we've seen so far as Holland has been very busy this year,

filming The Odyssey. It is currently filming brand new day and has been out promoting his Merro brand, leaving little time for a cameo, even a cameo appearance in Doomsday. The character has a supporting role in Avengers Infinity War, but at minimal screen time in endgame, mostly limited to the final fight and the Tony Star funeral scene. Okay. So I don't think that I'm going to be in the minority here.

Maybe I am. I think this is great news. I think this is great news. I think this is smart news. I think this is let's not, we have so many different people that are going to pop up in Doomsday. A, let's try to bring the budget down a little. And even if it's part of his contract, which is another reason why it would be good news, is you have his contract.

He has X amount of movies that he needs to do. well, don't waste it on this. Let's have brand new day be its thing. Make the audience miss them a little bit. And then when it's time, and it adds even more impact if we learn, because everybody wants to see that interaction when Peter Parker sees Dr. Doom's face

and goes, wait a minute. And you don't get that in Doomsday, and you finally, you'll be anticipating. Where is that moment? and that moment will be another reason to get people into the theater for Secret Wars. And I think you guys can tell me because I don't remember. But I think in the comics, Spider-Man has a significant role in Secret Wars. Am I wrong there?

I don't know. But Winston, let's start with you, man. Where do you stand with this? I mean, I'm totally fine with it. I think you'd end up in a scenario similar to Infinity War and N-game and do exactly that, where you have, you know, I'm sure. sure by the time it's all said and done he will have an appearance and i think that's enough i don't think you need more than that um and again similar to what we just mentioned about infinity where you

had essentially half of the people uh more or less involved in that first one and then you had um you know the rest kind of in the second like you didn't have hawkeye at all really in the first one and then you kind of got other than uh no like at all actually another thing about it renner was not in it at all. And then you ended up with him like Ronan and all that kind of stuff to start off end game and whatnot. Obviously, Spider-Man's a bigger character than Hawkeye, but, you know, with him being one of the original six, same kind of mentality. It's fine. You do not need to put every single person in the movie. You need to put every single person in the two movies. So I'm totally okay with that. And then as far as it goes, I would argue that Miles Morales has a bigger

role than Peter in Secret Wars, but it also depends on what Secret Wars you're talking about. If you're talking about the OG Secret Wars, then that's where Peter gets his symbiate suit is during that comic run. So it really just depends. I have no issues with this. I think that this is a smart move personally. Chris, how do you feel about all this? I'm in agreement with you guys. You know, I feel like we already have so many people.

There's so many different super people coming into this film. And yeah, if we're going 2015 Secret Wars, then we have the Spider-Men, mostly my mind. having a fun little moment with a pocket burger. So this really isn't his story. You know what I mean? We have so many other folks who can pick up the mantle. And I think also people are still kind of confused about what people do or do not remember about Spider-Man. Because this is something I've seen a lot online to is.

Well, no one knows who he is. Yes, they do. They know that Spider-Man exists and is a hero. They don't know who Peter Parker is. They don't know that that's his secret identity. But then, if we get a little convoluted about it, do they remember going, that guy sounds really young? That guy sounds like a kid. And do you involve him in some of these things? Is he such a small potato to the rest of the universe that he wouldn't

be pulled in at this point in time? You know, there's a couple other things that could factor into that reasoning for him not being in the story. Plus, he's got his own movie happening. I think we need to see him isolated and on his own for the payoff of what everything has been set up for so far. We need to see him being a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man for a while. We need to see him without, you know, his surrogate papas. We need to see him stand on his own two feet and see how that all feels and what kind of hero he gets to be when he doesn't have any types of support systems, including friends and family.

So having him in here, I think would dilute everything they've built up to personally. I agree. And I also think that one of the things, I mean, we are going to get, as they say, a street level Spider-Man in this, but let's not pretend that they're also not going to have the Hulk and Punisher and everybody else in this, but I think they're going to start it with that feel where he's not relying on the Tony Stark suit and everything that Chris just talked about.

And it just allows you to wait. And absence makes the heart grow fonder. You know, it's like we, if we, we all, I think we all agree that Spider-Man, the movie will be the much needed hit that Marvel needs. Like, Fantastic Four was not that. Thunderbolts was not that. Captain America was not that.

The Marvel's was not that. Deadpool Wolverine was. They need that again. Spider-Man can absolutely give them that. It has in the past. It will probably do it again. So if you are coming off of that and you nail it and you hit a big home run with brand new day, and then here comes Doomsday and you hit it out of the park again,

and you don't put Spider-Man in here who's going to be riding high after another huge movie, then by the time he gets to Secret Wars and if you have both two hits in a row, you're going to be back in the winter circle for a little bit. You got a good shot. Like they are right now, Marvel, lined up to be the contenders to be the top dog again for at least the next year or two. because Supergirl's got a shot to do something special, lanterns and everything else too,

but it's still building towards something. I think that they can deliver here, we shall see. I mean, and Star Wars, we don't have to discuss it. You're not excited for Mando and Grogu? Excited?

No. I'm curious. Curious to see, and I've made it very clear that I think that that, and I've said it many times over, and I continue to say it, that's not the movie to judge of Star Wars is back on track again. That's just not.

It's made for a business decision to take a series that they were going to just shoot for $130 million and instead try to make a profit off of it and get some tickets, which I think is a very smart business decision. But it's the Starfighter is the one that is going to prove whether that brand still has some life in it. I get it. I mean, this is, Mendo and Grogu is Star Wars is, you know, Deadpool and Wolverine, Guardians 3. You can't put it on the rubric of, like you said, if this is writing the ship because it is doing its own thing and concluding something else that's already been successful on its own, you know, apart from the rest of the hangups that have been happening. So, no, I agree with you. I don't think it'll be an indicator one way or the other, but I was curious. if you were excited about it, that's all. Uh-oh. Oh, no. What I don't know. It just froze for a second.

I don't know what's happening. Either way, Spider-Man, not being in this, we tend to agree what do you guys think? It makes sense? Not make sense? Put your thoughts in there, let us know. Make sure you're checking us out on the Clips channel as well. Now, will Spider-Man have a cameo?

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98 for the nuptials. No, so we also have, so the Q updates on everything, we finally put that interstellar reaction up today with myself and Sam. That's on the channel right now. We've got a demon slayer, which is coming out on Saturday and Sunday,

the big episodes people have been looking forward to. I'm supposed to have Triple R with Chris Carr come up on Monday, but my schedule has been crazy, so we weren't able to do it. Yesterday we're supposed to record, so we're going to try to knock that down. but Tuesday we will be releasing Dunkirk. But yeah, I was just, I mean, the good news is one of the reasons I couldn't do it yesterday is we have.

The pilot is getting very, very close. It's getting very, very close to releasing. I'm going to be trying to do as many podcasts and other things to let people know kind of the what we're doing. I should have a, A, I think I told you Winston, we're going to do, when we announce a Kickstarter, we're going to have the director and producer on while when we announced them. and then we're going to also announce the tears for like the Kickstarter and everything too while they're on it and it was brought up on the phone call where the director was like well what if I also um you know could contribute this to incentivize people and it's like the stuff

that they were talking about I said wow people would lose their minds if you did that I didn't even think about it so um so there you go later yeah on on the show I think itself when we announced of tears. And then upcoming reaction that Sam and I shot the Zootopia reaction. She had never seen that before. Oh, nice. So we'll release that in, which was a great reaction that'll come out before

the actual movie does. And then she's also never seen Wicked, so we'll be doing that too. Yeah. So there you go. That's what we got going on. And now we got some more stuff going on in the world of comic book movie news. So

this is an interesting. You know, let's do this because I can't wait to see the comments on this one. There's an article that comic book movie just put out today, and I'm in the mood to poke the bear, so why not? Here you go. Marvel Studios versus DC Studios. Did the MCU or the DCU win in 2025? Yeah, you're poking the bear. Of course.

Well, I didn't write it. All-Star Superman writer Grant Morris. Oh, that's not it. Wrong thing. Just kidding. Marvel Studios versus DC Studios, did the MCU or DCU win in 2025? Now that Wonder Man has been moved to next January, that's it for the new Marvel Studios and DC Studios content, but did either the MCU or DCU win this year. Here's our take on what they did right and wrong. It's only mid-October, but that's it for the new movies and TV shows for Marvel Studios and DC Studios. We're still expecting plenty of announcement trailers and reveals before 2025 is over, of course,

and both studios had a busy year. For DC Studios, it was all about relaunching a brand on its last legs. As for Marvel Studios, the goal was to bounce back after a challenging few years that had been hampered by superhero fatigue and a focus on streaming content. There were successes and failures on both sides, but this genre is clearly going nowhere. Wow. Still, it's hard not to watch which of them won 2025. In this feature, we look back at the past 10 months, and they say Superman was the year's box office winner.

the last time a DCEU movie made over 500 million. The worldwide was 2018 and Aquaman exceeded expectations. Shazam was a moderate hit in 2019, but was all downhill from there with as many commercial flops as critical. 20203 was a disaster for the DC brand and even Joker Folly a doo-doo crashed and burned last year. Not only did James Gunn deliver a Superman movie that won over fans and critics alike, but it was easily the biggest superhero box office hit of 2025 with over 615.

million worldwide. Fantastic four first steps couldn't compare with the 520 million hall, while Captain America Brave New World 413 and Thunderbolt 382 reached nowhere near the same heights as Anna Steele. MCU has a more exciting future. As we just discussed, as we head into 2026, Marvel Studio Slate does appear a little bit more exciting than what DC has planned. 2026 has Avengers Doomsday, Spider-Man, Brand New Day, Daredevil Born Again, Vision Quest, Wonder Man and new seasons of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and Exma 97. DC Studios, meanwhile, isn't slacking with Supergirl, Lanterns, and Clayface. Still, none of those feel like events or even fall into the category must see superhero

storytelling right now, especially when we keep hearing that lanterns will be a grounded green lantern story. They have potential, but a horror movie set in Gotham without Batman isn't up there with Marvel Studios, what they're offering next year. Captain America, Brave New World may have killed a franchise. I'd like that they're going back and forth and giving reasons why there's no clear-cut winner yet. Yeah. Studios spent much of 2025 attempting to move on from the quantity over quality issues that have plagued the MCU since end game.

Unfortunately, there was at least one more casualty this year, courtesy of Captain America, Bravely World. Movie was plagued with issues behind the scenes, not even some of the studio's most extensive reshoots could save a story that never really work. As a result, Sam Wilson standing as Cap was damaged almost beyond repair. as was a previously $1 billion franchise. There were elements of Captain America Brave New World that deserved praise, but ultimately it was a let them. What could have been a fun adventure for Sam provided to be a winter soldier wannabe and left fans eager for a Steve Rogers turn.

Daredevil born again beats peacemaker. Ironheart didn't leave much of a lasting impression beyond Sasha Baron Cohen's pitch perfect take on Visto Daredevil, born again, however, overcame a creative overhaul to finally bring the man with out fierce early into the MCU. With a TVMA rating, it seems fitting to compare the Daredevil Revival to Peacemaker's Season 2. While there are two very different shows, James Gunn's worst impulses were front and center,

goofy subplots, gratuitous, orgy scenes, and a hit or miss humor. Daredevil born again added to the MCU by establishing a street-level corner that will expand with The Punisher and Spider-Man brand new day. Peacemaker introduced some intriguing new ideas, only to waste the talented lead and concepts like Earth X that made arguably the DCU's first big misstep. Dear double boarding in wasn't perfect, but its upcoming season two is far more exciting than the prospect of Peacemaker Season 3.

Thunderbolts and the Fantastic Four were a step in the right direction for a troubled brand. People like to make it sound like Marvel Studios as delivering disaster after disaster since endgame. Not true. There have been plenty of movies and TV shows just as good, if not better. They've also been some major disappointments.

Regardless, in what proved to be another rocky year for the MCU, Thunderbolt's delivered one of the most moving and impactful stories of the year. Yes, it flopped. I mean, I don't know about flopped. but it didn't make a hit. It wasn't a hit. It lost money, but it's on flop. But Jake, flop is when you lose disastrous amounts of money.

I think people overuse flop. It was a disappointment. There's a disappointment and it lost money. But there's a difference. But Jake Shreier now being at the helm of the X-Men reboot is a genius move on Kevin Feige's part. As for the Fantastic Four First Steps, while it had some issues, like the Marbles was a flop.

It was in many ways Marvel Studios back on top form. Marvel's first family has been given a fresh coat of paint, and this reboot proved there's still plenty of life in the brand. Superman was exactly what the genre needed. This is a very balanced article, by the way. I want to give props to coming. It's become impossible to deny superhero fatigue exists, and in many ways, Superman was a remedy to it.

James Gunn did cram a lot of ideas while establishing his DCU, but the result was a feel-good movie that even left diehard Marvel fans granting from ear to ear, embracing comic books, delivering a hopeful take on the character. delivered a movie that can appeal to the masses and reunite interest in the character that many felt was outdated and no longer a draw. We still have some questions and concerns about guns wider plans for the DCU. However, this is the indication of what's to come from chapter one gods and monster slate. Not even the odd letdown like peacemaker season two can derail DC studios. Okay. Again, props to that article. I thought it was handled well. Chris Carr, let's start with you.

You hear that. Give me your opinion on the article itself, what stood out to you and your assessment of it. And if you have who you think is, you know, the clear cut in the front, better poised to be successful down the line and who won this year. This is an excellent article because we're dealing with facts, not feelings. Your feelings aren't facts. The facts can inform your feelings. and they do an excellent job teetering between the two here and giving you actual hard data. Because when you look at a lot of these numbers, too, there is a lot of back and forth ultimately.

You know, Peacemaker Season 2 started out with this 22% increase for their premiere versus season 1. And then obviously that petered off. Daredevil Born again had like 7.5 million views, billion views, something like that. Let me double check. Million views for its first five days on Disney Plus. That was a really great premiere for them. But again, teetered off. We've seen mixed feelings about some of the things that have come out of the box.

office. We've seen things like, you know, our first Captain America film with Mackey at the helm not doing well because it wasn't a film that was his. It was about so many other things. The article does a really great job explaining all of this. At the end of the day here, I am going to be that person though who goes, I am going to go with my gut of what lasted for me as a new movie goer as a TV fan, et cetera. And for me this year, as a lifelong like Marvel comic book girl, I know way more about Marvel than I do about DC. I've had myself gravitating to words of DC stories this year. I particularly was obsessed with Superman because of the wild optimism in that film, which was something that I needed. I think a lot of people needed. So to say like the

genre is still here, I think that's our big takeaway. I still am always frustrated with superhero fatigue. I still always think that it's mediocrity fatigue. We're not tired of superheroes. We're tired of lazy, tropey writing that doesn't deliver in just kind of hopes that we accept this because it's based on IP we love. No, we want really great stories. We want excellent character development. We want things that enthrall us. We don't want to just go, oh, somebody's got a cape or a cow. I'll tune in. And I feel like that's the big takeaway from this year is even stories that were pretty dang good. Thunderbolts comes to mind. People still have this expectation of are these movies worth watching in a theater and also having to deal with the idea of what homework do I

have to do before I see these movies. That still was Marvel's big issue this year. And DC gave us some properties where we didn't have to do homework. We got to just jump in and see it face value and take it for what it was. So for me at the end of the day, I think DC did a little better this year. But the article does such a beautiful job of going, hey, we kind of ping ponged back and forth throughout all of this. Here's all the data. And this is how I hope all of you lovely people on the internet debate from now on. Give me some data. Give me some facts. I agree with almost all your points. I think that you very well said, and I think that you're right when it comes to the homework aspect of Marvel.

I think that did hurt movies like Thunderbolts for sure. Yeah. But I do think, and I know that we disagree on this, I do think that there is a regular, what's it? The average movie goer, I do think there is a bit of fatigue with them, with the comic book genre.

I don't necessarily think that there is a comic book fatigue within the community itself. I think that those are the ones who are showing up. I think that those are the ones that are going to see the Fantastic Four and those movies. I think that the casual viewer, because of maybe the homework aspect of it, and because it's just a genre, I don't really care about superheroes anymore that adds to that fatigue. I've heard people that I know inside of, whether it's my own family or friends going, unless it's something like a Deadpool Wolverine where they're like, oh, I know those characters,

I can go sit down, and then the same thing with Spider-Man. Spider-Man, I think that the genre has lost a lot of the casual viewers in general. And it's why a movie like Superman, which I thought was a solid movie, did 600 as opposed to like 800. It would easily made 800, if not more, in 2018, 2019.

That same movie put out then. So I'll get into my thoughts about this article and everything else too but Winston what do you make of all this? I want to give a tiny baby bit of pushback to the last point that you made that I do think that sure you do have the casual audience

in the Western world that is kind of like a little over it but I don't think that's we're speaking enough on the fact that these movies are not doing well internationally anymore that is the bigger thing right but that's well okay so but that's still casual movie fans But I can say like with with rare exception, that's American movies as a whole, like China as a whole just isn't rocking with a lot of our, the way that they used to. They genuinely have kind of pushed on into their own.

Let's have that conversation. Let's have that conversation in January when Avatar comes out. But I said with exception. Avatar is an exception. Jurassic World is a written exception. Right. And then, but then go look at the rest of the international numbers on our movies, especially in China and how they just did. not hit. So I, that's, that's, you know what I'm saying? That's, that's, I think it's comic book,

though, dude. I think it's internationally. Comic book movies don't pull as much anymore, too. I'd like to see some of the, what, like, what did Minecraft do internationally? I think they did pretty well. I think the movies are doing okay. I think the comic book genre has lost. Let's, let's just prove my point, to be honest. Let's see, let's see, real, real quick. So, um, let's see, Lilo and Stitch did well foreign, uh, Minecraft did well foreign and, and, um, Jurassic World Rebirth did well foreign. But how to train your dragon did fine. F1 did well.

Superman did not great. Right. It's a comic-go genre. So we're agreeing. I mean, I get it just because the comic, all the movies I'm talking about up at the top here, but I'm even just like kind of looking and comparing

with some of the other stuff in general. I mean, what? Sinners didn't do that great. Bloodlines didn't do that great. What was bloodlines? Final Destination Bloodlines. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but those are smaller genre movies.

Like, if you look at, if you look at like, but the big blockbuster movies, which, again, I agree with you that the comic book movie has lost, you know, the casual fan internationally as well. Because the ones that you just listed off, F1, all those, those still are playing internationally. It's not just our, it's not just American movies. It's the comic book genre. So I think that it's more of the casual fan and all over the world is getting kind of tired of it. Yeah. But either way, to answer the overall question of,

did I think Marvel or DC ultimately won? I think that DC had a strong outing. I think that this last little bit with peacemaker left just enough of a bad taste in the mouth that I'll give the edge to Marvel, just from the standpoint of, even though they're going for quality over quantity at this particular point, they just had enough to kind of

have out there. I mean, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man was extremely, for the most part, people enjoyed Born Again. Thunderbolts again, extremely well done. Maybe didn't hit the numbers that they wanted, but really well-done movie. First Steps was good. You know,

like, again, there was no staying power with their shows at this point, which sucks. But, like people had a lot of good things to say about eyes of Wakana and Marvel zombies and, you know, Wonder Man seems interesting. So like I give them a lot of credit for all of that. But I think it's like you said, because of the fatigue, I think because people aren't really trusting of either of these studios at this particular moment, they're trying to figure out

if they're going to dive back in or not. I think it just kind of was doing this. And so there were some excitement, but there wasn't like, oh, we back, baby. Like I don't think that that is. that is what's going on. So I give Marvel a slight edge out just because I think it was a little more even as far as quality goes

throughout the year. But obviously, you know, Superman really was the king when it came to everything, period. Yeah. Yeah. Now, D.C. To me, this is why this whole conversation is unfair. D.C. didn't have enough.

They didn't have enough. Marvel still had a ton of stuff. They dared up. They had, which, again, if you look at, they have so many that you can cancel self-power. I didn't necessarily, I didn't love Ironheart. So I think Ironheart, Daredevil, Daredevil, okay, quality, Iron Heart, just okay. People kind of forgot about it. And then you've got Brave New World, which people just kind of forgot about it.

It's okay, average movie. Thunderbolts, really good movie for me. Didn't perform well at the box office, but really, well, fantastic for it, to me, really good movie. didn't perform well at the box office. And Marvel zombies. I mean, there's just, there's other, the Spider-Man,

they just had so much like they always do where it's not fair to D.C. And, you know, I see the absolute morons in the comment section sometimes sometimes like, why does Christian hate D.C.? Or he hate a gun. I think he's one of the most talented people out there today. And I think that he is absolutely

100% someone that you give an opportunity to do this with. My, I do have, like, in the same way that I think that there's a lot of creative sometimes that when given too much leeway, no handcuffs, it could be a detriment to anybody, no matter how talented that they are. And I think that Peacemaker, Season 2 proved that because Peacemaker season 2 proved that. because Peacemaker's Season 2. I'm not saying there aren't a lot of people who liked it. And I can't really speak on it all the way through because I've only watched three episodes

up it. But to me, that also says something to me, where I'm like, okay, I will get to it eventually, right? And I've liked what I've seen thus far, but I've also heard other things, the things that happen that I don't know if I'm going to love, but maybe I'll be bracing myself for it. But I always wonder now if the gun humor is going to get in the way of his excellent. storytelling, right? Which he does very well. I didn't think it bombarded Superman. And I think that Superman did what they needed to do in order to start the DC. So I think movie wise, if you, if you just compare the one movie that DC had, I would say that DC won the movie war,

this, if it was a war, but the battle or the argument, DC won. DC won. because it's one movie set out to do what it intended to do. There's a back and forth of how much it made or whatever, too, but again, making 600, whatever did internationally one of the, it's, it, it, on a brand that we all agree is, is being tired, I guess, with a casual audience, whatever the reason might be. It, it accomplished that. It was the number one box office, when it's still going to be in the top five to top 10 box office winners of the year internationally.

so it accomplished that and it set the road to what they were going to do. The other movies as much as I liked them, Thunderbolts Fantastic Four, it did not accomplish what they needed it to do. It really needed people to get back on board. Their shows didn't accomplish what they needed to do. The Daredevil show did not accomplish what it needed to do. I loved that show, but it didn't accomplish it. There were a lot of people who were,

oh, I was going to be back on Netflix. And Ironheart didn't. do anything to further the character of Riri, who was not strong enough in Black Panther 2, and I don't think it warranted the Mephisto and all that stuff, too. So I think DC won for the limited stuff that they have. My only thing that I would say to just kind of circle back, and I hear everything that you're saying on that is truthfully just, like I saw earlier, because people are literally saying to me, I can't believe you think that D.C. screwed the pooch just because of,

one bad episode like a finale, but this is where I go back to being a sports person. So anybody else that has ever watched baseball, football, basketball, if if my quarterback is ball in all game, 500 yards, five touchdowns, nothing is going wrong. But on the last play of the game to win the game, you throw an interception of the other team scores, nobody gives a shit what you did the rest of the game. Right. Lost. And to be honest with you, that finale was so bad, I didn't even see it.

Like the funny thing is the things that were in it were good, but it kind of just upended the table as far as what story were we telling with this season. It became that Peacemaker Season 2 was really at that point, not really about Peacemaker. The show really was just Superman epilogue. And that was the only thing about it that kind of bummed me out. I don't have a problem with us telling the greater universal story. That's the point of doing all of these, doing the franchises like this, of doing. DC and Marvel. But what have we said, like the reason I didn't like Brave New World, that was not a story about Sam Wilson. That was a Hulk story and he just happened to be around. That's what that

felt like at the end of peacemaker there, which sucks because I was enjoying what we were doing. So again, that you don't eliminate the entirety of the performance, but you left enough bad taste in the mouth about the game, essentially, that it's just kind of like, you're not the only person to say that. Yeah, Chris, go ahead. I haven't heard your thoughts really. I enjoyed the finale more than you did, but I also, we talked about this last week, where there's so many things left on the table. There were so many promises that you didn't deliver on.

And for that to be not only a season finale, but potentially a series finale, that's where it becomes really disappointing. And then what we kind of talked about too and what I asked Winston last week, and I'd love to hear how you feel about this Christian is, is this kind of an overcorrection for how Marvel has made things so intrinsically tied? because essentially now, Peacemaker Season 2 can just be a throwaway line in the next Superman movie, where it can be something of like,

oh, yeah, well, since we sent Peacemaker to salvation, since we did this. That's all you need. That's all you need now. Oh, ever since Checkmate opened up, you know,

you can just do a line. So then the homework's not there, but you do miss maybe those deep interpersonal relationships that we've now formed. Do you think that's the overcorrection? Do you think this was just James Gunn doing whatever he wanted? Was it him personally working stuff out? because that Chris monologue, well, you haven't seen the finale.

But there's a monologue in there that I was like, is this for you? Right. Well, so the answer is, and I have not seen the finale, but what I've heard and from what you're, it makes sense. But the question is there's only so many times you can do that, right? There's only so many times you can do that with a project. It's like, okay, well, why is it connecting? Is it not connecting? They know it's loosely and where they don't want to give people a lot of homework, which I think is the right play.

but I think what it does show, and I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with this if you're running it, but I think that this is what this shows. There was no reason for James Gunn to make Peacemaker with this cast and everybody else who part of the new DCU Canon other than he loved making the show. He loved doing it. He loved the fact that his wife was involved in it,

who was excellent in the show, by the way. She's great. She's so good. She's phenomenal in the show. And even in the, again, like the season one and the three episodes I've seen so far, she's great. And she deserves every bit of praise that she gets for it. But because she was in it, the cast was in it, the chemistry was in it, the much fun that he had in it. He wanted to find a way to make it canon.

So what he did then is he's like, well, I'm doing season two. And I can, I figured out a way to do it. And they probably had conversations rightfully so. I mean, his wife, they're reading a book in bed at night. and they go, well, how can I make this work? How can I figure out? Ah, multiverse. There's a way to do it.

There's a way to play it together, and I could do that. And that's what he did. So he did that when maybe, even if he loved it as a filmmaker, as the head guy, maybe it wasn't the right choice to do. As a director with that and creator of a show with that power, I'm going to do this because I'm allowed to. And I can. And I will. And he went and look, he very much probably believes that this is the greatest thing and the most fun thing he's ever done in his life. Audiences clearly didn't feel that way, not only in reviews, but also in watch time.

And he's got to start taking the note, though, that he's got to make it less of the gunverse and he's got to make it the DCU. Yeah. Because it's becoming the gunverse. I have, because this is the other thing, Christian, I think that's so interesting. We kept having theories, how does peacemaker go into the DCU? And the route he decided to go was, now I'm just going to rec on all the shit. Like, there ain't going to be no explanation. Ain't going to be no, we went to dimension hopping.

And yet somehow we went dimension hopping. If you were already going to go to another universe, bro, then why not just use that as your explanation like so that's the other part of it that felt weird it was this idea of like we're not going to worry about that and get somehow we worried about it like that's that is those are the little things that you're exactly right this really felt more of i'm doing this for me i'm doing this for my people and y'all going to get on board or whatever and that there's something about that that that i like that as far as me being a petty individual i don't like that you're it if I'm trying to tell stories.

But that's the difference. But I don't think, I don't think anybody can argue with, he liked telling this story. But I think what Chris said earlier, which is true, he gets to throw this away now and focus in on the other stuff, right? They'll bring back peacemaker and they'll bring back other characters inside of the movie that you won't have to have done homework. But now he gets to focus in on and let the other directors now focus in on. Let lanterns kind of play for itself.

Let's Supergirl play for itself build out. And I think he's put himself in a position because you guys know as well as I do. We are very much in a what have you done for me lately town that it's like, okay, or business rather. So it's like, all right, you know, that's gone. Okay, great. The show didn't live up to everybody's expectations. Who cares what's Supergirl going to do? And if Supergirl hits and it pulls off of these moments that every single person that I've heard of who has read this graphic novel or comic,

loves the story and loves everything about it. If that transfers over, ain't nobody going to be talking about Peacemaker's Season 2 anymore. They're going to be talking about how good Supergirl was and how good Millie Alcock was it, and the DCU is back. They are one movie away from victory. I agree. I agree with that.

If Supergirl hits, then this is a moot point. But I think the other thing that just sticks out in my mind, and I think that's why I've been maybe a little bit harder on gun with the way Peacemaker went is the fact that he then went on an interview and said that he's feeling burnout already. That to me, a lot of that kind of stems from the fact, well, well, damn, man, I mean, you are supposed to be running the whole thing, but you decided to directly put your hands in every project that we've gotten released so far.

So there's also this idea of like, I need you to keep your, your energy up and your endurance up because. And he's directing another one. That's what I'm saying. That is the part that that I think where I get a little frustrated is it didn't have to be this way. Like I want you to be in it for the long haul. I don't want to put in my star for it and play all the minutes in the game if I need you in the fourth quarter. Like you know what I'm saying? Like, sure. Pace yourself. Yeah. Well, Chris, they are in a good position though, too, though.

Even though I don't just necessarily disagree with what comic book movie said about that, look, Marvel has more glitzy things coming up, right? With whether it's been 97 season two, whether it's obviously Spider-Man coming out, end game. They've got the big flashy toys that everybody's going to be excited about. But DC is in a very, to me, good place where they can establish something. When you have lanterns as a TV show, you're going to win me over with a grounded show. If you focus on the characters and it's a solid thing, you're going to win me over. Supergirl, I want to be won over because I want to believe in everything that you guys are talking.

about with how good this story is. So if that delivers, you've got that surprising thing. Oh, my God, you see Supergirl is amazing. And then you've got the Clayface, which is a harsh thing. You have three different things that is where the two flashy or flashy things and Marvel will all feel like the same feel, the same tone for the most part. These are three different projects that DC has and could make you go, whoa, that was exciting. And, and it can, and it could bring some new energy into it. So I don't know. How do you feel about that? Oh, I absolutely agree with that, especially because if we are going to say, hey, there's a whole group of people who are done with superhero movies, just point blank. I don't want to see this.

I'm out of it. But if you play around with genre, then, that does bring in other audience members. I have lots of friends who are so into horror and they try to get me to watch it all the time. And they are jazzed about Clayface. They are so excited. They're asking me which comics they should be reading, what they should be like getting ready for. I've got other people who are just like, oh, I'm so pumped about that movie. Love Body Horror. That's going to be fun. You know, the Supergirls story, I think that has so much potential because while we have so many of these superpowered individuals who we have seen them experience loss, we've seen, you know, Thanos destroy entire planets and take entire, you know, civilizations like down. I don't feel like we've had a really

horrific look at the actuality of that sometimes. I think it's been a little glossy comic bookie. And I think with Supergirl, you have a lot of potential to show how damaged and horrible someone can be. We saw this a little bit, you know, with Hawkeyes transition, obviously, into taking down the yakuza and everything. But you see this person who's not just only out for vengeance. She is causing fights. She is drinking heavily. She is becoming this really just like awful version.

of herself because she can't deal with her own trauma. And I think that's a really interesting story that a lot of times with our heroes, we go, they're going to have one movie where they really are feeling down. But don't you worry, by act three, they're going to have it together again. And I kind of like the idea of having a super character who doesn't get it together, who still stays incredibly flawed, who still deals with those vices throughout. So there's something really cool there. And then lanterns, you know, being pitched to us as this kind of true detective, show. My dad's so excited about that. And again, this is my litmus test is if my dad is excited for something superheroy, the common person is aware of this because he doesn't read comic books, but he's so excited about this of, oh, yeah, that sounds like it's going to be really cool because they're solving some kind of mystery, right? But there's some intergalactic aspect of it too. Yeah, dad, that's what it's being pitched as. So you've got so many people who can come to it for different reasons, not just those of us in this little bubble who, you know, go get our issues weekly. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this is a conversation that will continue to go on,

and I'm glad that we were able to have it. So put your thoughts in there we're all about this particular article. What did you guys think? What were your thoughts on it? Who took this year? And please, take into consideration. DC had far less material out there than Marvel. But for everything involved, who do you think? had the better year and who do you think is poised to have a better run? And I get, oh, what do you care? Because it's what we do here. Do somewhere else.

All right. So let's bring up one more story here. And we'll stick with, let's see, I was going to say, we'll stick with, well, let's stick with Superman. We'll stick with D.C. And then we'll move on to some, some questions here in just a moment. So All-Star Superman, Grant Morrison finally shares his review of James Gunn's Superman. Let's get into that, see what he says.

Okay, Comic Book movie says, All-Star Superman and Action Comics writer Grant Morrison has shared his review of Superman in a Q&A that saw him touch on Damien Wayne, Spider-Man, and the Absolute Universe. James Gunn Superman was released this past July to positive reviews. And when all was said and done, it made over $615 million at the worldwide, making it the highest grossing superhero movie of 2025. The filmmaker and DC Studios co-CEO wore his inspirations on his sleeve with Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly's All-Star Superman among them. Now Morrison has shared his verdict on the DCU blockbuster. He kept his thoughts brief, said, I thought it was the best Superman movie yet.

Each Superman movie has earned a passionate fan base. So those who hold Superman the movie and Man of Steel in the same high regard may have something to say about this. However, many fans would surely agree with Morrison's take given Superman's adherence to the comics and what is done for the DC brand as a whole. The full AMA is worth a read, with Morrison also sharing his thoughts on DC Comics. Absolute Universe. I heard the ultimate universe was being destroyed, but the absolute line has been a master's stroke from Scott Snyder and his collaborators. It's the best update on these characters since the silver age.

I think they feel fresh, and that's what's what ancient comic book universe needs. Another fan wondered how he feels about the evolution of Damien Wayne, Robin Morrison created the character in 2006, revealing him as the previously unseen son of Bruce Wayne and Talia Al-Gul. I haven't really followed what's been happening with Damien. I don't get comp boxes anymore. I knew he'd come back to life because he'd become popular. He will always be a future version of Batman and some sliding timeline, but Bruce Wayne will always be Batman, so it's hard for the sidekicks when their appeal runs dry.

He added that Damien should probably become a whole new costume character, though Batman's son remains in the role of Robin as we write this. interesting tidbit came when Morrison revealed why he never pushed for an amazing Spider-Man run, despite once having a story revolving around the past and present versions of the web singer. He said, I think Spider-Man is a great character, but I just bounce off him. I had one idea years ago about the skinny nerd, Dicko's Spider-Man meeting, contemporary version who's married to MJ and has a great apartment. Mysterio was the villain.

I couldn't raise the enthusiasm to write it. I don't have any ideas for Spider-Man at all for some reason. Superman, when the man at tomorrow gets drawn as a conflict at home, but I didn't know. Okay. All right. So, I mean, I think there's a similar conversation that I had with Steph yesterday. I remember which. Oh, we were talking about the back girl story. One of the actors who had seen the movie. Before the article, we even read it. I said let me guess. He said it was great. And exactly what he said? It was great. But what are you supposed to say in a situation like that? The guy was in the movie. What's he going to crap on everybody who's work? Of course not. He's going to, he's going to say, I wish we were going to have seen it.

I wish you could have seen it. I mean, I wish everybody would take that that mentality, bro. Not to keep diving into sports. I will talk offline if you saw what Tua did with the dolphins. That's crazy. Okay, but that's sports that's different from inside. But, you know, this is. No, no, no, I get.

I'm saying, I'm saying take a lesson and don't shit on your TV. Right, right, right. And that's what he did. So this is the same thing here. You guys still working with James Gunn and still doing so with James, I thought, you know, look, we're doing more stuff. but I thought the movie was shit. He's not going to say that.

And do I believe him that he thinks is the best of your bet? I do. I believe him. But I don't think he's going to piss off gun right now. So, you know, you take it with a grain of salt, but he also, it's more of the stuff he's talking about with like Damien Wayne and those things. I am so intrigued. I cannot, I'm out of all the stuff, but not just because of the obvious that it's Batman,

but I'm so intrigued where they're going to go. go with this story. Chris, let me start with that. And this isn't necessarily related to this article, but it is, I guess, Damien Wayne involved. Do you think they're going to stick with Brave in the Bowl? You think they're going to stick with it? Are they going to go somewhere else in general with Batman?

I don't know. I really don't because it's one of those things where we all know Batman's origins, right? We all know how Batman comes in here. Oh, gosh, don't go down that dark alley. Oh, no. Oh, the pearls. We've seen it a thousand times.

So it is interesting to dive in with a true father-son dynamic. It's a very different take for what we've seen for movies in particular. Is it the take I want to see, though? For me, not really. I'll be really honest. I think that Damian Wayne is a very interesting character. I don't know if he's who I want out the gate in my Batman family. You know, in the bat fam, I want more of Tim Drake.

I want a true detective. I want Dick Grayson, who has not only this like father-son complex, but also trying to be his own hero and better hero. I, you know, I want to have Red Hood come into play. I want all kinds of other stuff to happen here. I want that Jason Todd storyline because that's so interesting and horrific. And Damien sometimes kind of comes across to me the same way that like hit girl does of like, there's. some kind of novelty to him a little bit of being a tiny assassin. And what happens when you have like a child who is this violent and trained from the jump to act in this way?

There's some really interesting things to be had there. It's just, you know, not of interest to me. Fair. Winston, same question. Because, you know, this was announced, Raven the Bowl. Now, my question when it comes to this movie is, if you're James Gunner or the power or Saffron and you're like, okay, well, we announced it, but we haven't found the take.

Do you say, well, we announced it, we have to do it? Or do you say, look, we never found a take. It's not really working. Let's pivot. Or do you think they, or do you think they stick with it? You got to pivot. I think the one thing that Gunn said that really resonates with me more than anything. And that's why I, like, I really want to make it clear.

I'm being hard on him because I've seen him. win the Super Bowl. Like he's won at all. So I get upset when they're not living up to the, when I don't feel like he's living up to those standards per se. It's not that I have hate. It's just that you've set a very high bar. The one thing that he said,

and I appreciate, he goes, we don't greenlit a single thing unless it's, no, the script works, the story works. Let's get it pop it. Also probably why I was a little upset about that finale. But that being said, If you can't make it work, then you just pivot and you make sure that Batman works because I will tell you this. The DCU will not survive if you do not figure out Batman.

Batman is like Spider-Man to Marvel. That is your linchpin cornerstone, like money-making character that everybody knows and everybody will turn out to see. So you have to get it right. Of course you got to get it right. Winston, that's the thing. So this is where we had this whole conversation on Monday, which is like, oh my God,

you might as well thought I was talking about conflicts across the world. This article that had come out controversial, as it might be about the potential of the sale of Skydance, you know, and Paramount for Warner's like, what does that lead for the future of DC? Right. So one of the things that puts you in risk of not be,

being there anymore besides if movies aren't working, which is the number one. If you put a movie out like Batman, which is your number one thing, but you are so right, Winston, where Batman is the one where they're going to go, okay, well, Superman did good, but Batman's always been the guy. Batman's the guy. So who's our guy? And now they've made it very clear that they're going to push forward and go with the Batman part two also.

You are, whether you are competing, and not competing at the same time. You're not competing because any money brought in by both projects is a win for Warner Brothers, right? But you are competing for the audience to say, I like that Batman better than that. They're going to say it. One way or another, they're going to say it. And whether or not, if you're James Gunn and you are, of course, rooting for Matt Reeves to win, but you need the fans to go, we like that guy better.

you need them to because otherwise they're going to go yeah he's good but why couldn't patinson be the one who's interacting with superman you know and that is going to happen it's inevitable it's inevitable you have to make it and if it's good just good they go well then there's the conversation of well i like that one well i like that one and then it's like well they're both good they're both really good. They're both really good. I would hope, though, I would really hope that people think to themselves, I love this version of

Batman. Does that version of Batman coexist in the world that Superman does? Because I don't think they do in any way. I don't either. I don't either. And so that to me is where we then can kind of have those different stables of, hey, if I want dark, gritty, grounded Batman, if I want to watch

seven, but with somebody wearing a cape, I'm going here. If I, uh, I want to see the Batman Superman dynamic that makes sense in this more kind of primary color world that James Gunn has delivered me, then I do want a different Batman. I just want my cake and eat it too. I want everything that I want. What do I have that? That's true. But you still, but you still, even if you're going to have that, that dynamic, you still have to make people like that Batman.

Like that Batman has to be like, like, like you said, you say like, look, I like that they're setting up this. different tone for it. And I love that Batman, but if they go, if the majority goes, that tone and that Batman ain't work, then you're, then you get problems. It's, it's, it is, you are running a risk and it's one of the reasons why, I mean, I will give Warner Brothers credit up to this point. They have never really allowed for competing Batman to happen. Is that Lewis Batman? Or John Batman? Harry Batman But the idea that the only Batman

You would see outside of Batman In the movies for that reason Would always be animated The one exception you saw was In Titans They had a very brief cameo And it was kind of Batman Almost in the shadows the whole time

Like fighting a bunch of cops in like a nightmare scenario It was like a whole thing But it's kind of why their very tight lip, even the Gotham series. You had Bruce Wayne. You didn't ever see him become Batman. You just saw him occasionally at the very end of the show, put on like a ski mask and jump from a roof.

And that's about it. You didn't really see him be Batman. They kept him as a kid. So they have been very careful about not overexposing the character in live action. So that's why this has always been an interesting debate because it's like, Are you legitimately going to put two movie versions out there? You want to throw a real, a real monkey wrench into all this,

even though it kind of is the same thing that Chris was talking about because the tones just don't work. Because this is an older Batman. This is an older Batman in general, at least they keep this storyline, they stick with it. If they announced Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne, like slap, though.

Right. Like I would kind of be here for it The argument is is Would be from Chris Carr which I would agree with is the same it's bad bad Nolan's Batman was was based in the same kind of realism that Matt Reeves is so it's a different it's a different it's a different tone But it's the one way for people to go. Okay. I'm cool with having two Batman It's the only way only way like right away like okay. It's cool It's the same thing when people because I do believe that people want a Batman beyond movie

I think it's when we had Michael Kitton of a white could have him in the universe. I don't care because he's Batman. I know he's Batman. Let him be old man Wayne and let him train Terry McGinnis. Yeah. I can have the different Batman. I contain multitudes. So can they. I know. I'm curious to see how it's going to play. But all this stuff and more, I know he kind of went away from what that actual article was about. But nonetheless, it's a good conversation. All right. We're going to get into some questions in just a moment here. But I want to tell you guys about Neutrafall. So this is Neutrafal. I love talking to guys about Nutrafall. They are the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand and is

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You can find me at the swaggy blurred on all platforms here on YouTube. It's funny I was talking about because of how intricate the proposal was. A lot of my mental energy was being funneled in a particular way. So now the channel where I'm excited to get stuff rams back up really where we want to get it. Um, on top of that, man, you can see me on Tuesdays with, uh, Roka, spill the tequila. Wednesdays, myself and J. Washington blurtz in the hood is back. Um, and then obviously I'm here on Fridays and we do, um, oh my God, how did I forget the reactions, the demons layer reactions every weekend, man, Saturday and Sunday, we are almost to the end of

the first season. It has been quite a ride. We're in the middle, uh, for those that are familiar with the series of the, uh, spider demon clan arc and it is fantastic. So definitely go and check that out. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. And Chris, you're a massive K-pop demon hunters fan, right?

Yes. I saw your interview. Did you? I was going to ask you. Yeah. I love. I've been, so the past two weeks, I haven't been home regularly. I've been dog sitting.

And all Logan's done is send me like all K-pop demon hunters content. And he was just like, did you know? I was like, yeah, I know. I work for him. Obviously. You work with me. That's far. That's true.

That's true. So that was a lot of fun. I had a blast. We're talking to them. They were great. And Arden Show was so very kind to, I invited her. She told me to invite her as a collaborator. I'm on one of the shorts.

I did just that. She shared it on her on Instagram. So it was very nice. She's so talented. Her and May Hong, they were just, they were absolute pleasure to talk to. Okay. Let's see. Let's get to these questions. We need 106, everybody. You need 106 in order to do it. Weddings are expensive, guys. Come on.

28. 28 is what we got thus far, starting with Crash and Coyote, a K.H. chat regular. Can we do a fun poll? It's rumored that GTA 6, four-day early access edition, will drop the same day as Mando Gros. GTA is too big with a billion dollar budget. If you can only pick one, I think 80% of us pick GTA six. did this a couple months ago. Not this particular. I know what he's asking, though. He's asking. I don't know how many gamers we have in here, but I'm sure, I mean, look, I think, you know what, Luke or PLD, whoever's watching, on the community tab, on the community, you're going to get more votes there. Ask that if GTA4 and Grogu and Mando drop on the same

weekend, and you can only choose one, what do you choose? I think, and this is what I'll say, I think, GTA will win that pole. I mean, I've, I like both of them a lot and I would a thousand percent be at home with GTA. What I would do is I would find a way to make sure I get to a screening so I could go before GTA comes out and then I would go play GTA all week. I realize this that I am like, and I'll gleefully say, I am in the boomer category when I say this. I am so in a different universe when it comes to this stuff because in my

head I go, you just pause it, go see a movie. Like that's not what that and everyone's like, no one does that. That's not how that works. I'm like, to me, just pause it. You just pause the movie. I pause the video game and then you go see the movie. I remember what you said that when we first had this debate. Yeah, right. It's not, that's not how it works. Well, that's how I would do it. I put my bowl down for a second, put it down, and then I, and then I would pause it, and then I would go see the movie,

like get a snack, pick up the poll again, play the game. Kirsha, you know what it would actually be at that particular point? Because I'll promise you this, the amount, you think people are calling out now with the government shutdown for like the TSA and the airport control towers, the entire country's going to call out with that game. Like every dude from like the age of like 40 now is, and a significant. a number of ladies as well are just going to call out with that game drop. Maybe so.

The fact that the meme, we got XYZ before GTA6 has been a thing for how many years? Like it's, it is. What was the last one? When did five come out? God, it's been over a decade. Oh, wow. I want to say it's been 12 years. Oh, wow.

Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. 31 thus far. We'll let you know. 2013. Wow, I was good.

Creschen Cody. we'll let you know about the about the poll once we check we'll check the community poll by the end of it and see what the number is but I think that the answer will be GTA Ralph! I watched Dunkirk in preparation for Sam's reaction.

You have to put subtitles on. You can't hear the dialogue and the action and music just that. We watched Dunkirk. We heard it fine. We have headphones on. It goes right through. We heard the dialogue fine. So it was yeah, with the action of the music, we didn't have an issue with it whatsoever on that. Now, tenant, tenant, I will absolutely be putting subtitles for sure.

Ralph follows it up and says, Winston, I know the answer to this already. Christian is trying to find someone to see The Departed on the channel. Have you seen it? Chris Carr, what is your favorite Scorsese? Well, first, I know that Winston has seen it. We had this conversation. It's one of his favorites. Chris Carr, have you ever seen The Departed?

Not all the way through. Okay, that's good news. Yeah. How much of it have you watched? Literally only clips from when my mom's watching it. It's one of her favorite movies because she's from Dorchester. So you know nothing about it. No.

I do know, I do know like who dies. Oh, well, that's the whole. So that might not be good. That's not great. Like one person who dies. Right. So you won't be surprised. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. If it's the one you're thinking, yeah, if it's the one, if it's the one, if it's the one, if it's the one we're thinking about, that's kind of like a pretty big reveal. Yeah. Um, all right. Well, so anyway, Chris Carr, what's your favorite, Chris says you film? Hugo. Wow.

Is that because you haven't seen a lot of them? Well, I've seen some of them, and I'm going to be so honest. The whole, like, mobster thing just doesn't do it for me. I don't enjoy it. I got cousins who'd be like that. So I don't need to watch those movies. And Hugo was just really charming and lovely. Chris, I bet you a pizza pilot, GTA 6th, first week makes more than Mando Grovo

entire box office run. For perspective, Gio, Gio, Wagner Rock made $3.57 million to five days. Why in the world would I make that bet? I make bets I can win. Why do I make pets? Why? This is like I don't know.

I think Crash and Coyote might be watching a different show because like he, in the way, just because I don't know a lot about, I'm not, I'm not a gamer. I'm not. I respect the video game shot. I am very aware that video games make the most money and dwarf what Hollywood does. It's worth it. It's not even comparison. It's like me versus Elon Musk and you're looking money-wise and the bank accounts. It's that, it's that big of a difference. So I would never make that bet. And plus, I don't even think, I don't think the Manilorian Grogu is going to cross $550 million.

Oh, you don't think it's going to make it to half a bill. Maybe at the very, a great number for that movie would be $600. But it would be very very, but it would be very, very, very hard to make that. But remember, it's got a low, it's got a low budget. That's true, but I guess my question is, I'm just curious why, just knowing how well the Mandalorian did and how much of a cultural icon Grogu became, especially for kids, you don't think that's enough to drive it? How much do you think it'll make? I was going to, like, I understand movies as a whole tend to be relatively down. I just thought from the Grogu element of it, it would clear maybe like six or seven. Six is possible.

I think very unlikely, but six is possible. Seven, no shot. I literally thought just because of the kid's element of it. I mean, Grog was going to get people in the theater. But remember, the movie only costs like $150 million to make. Okay. And $150 million to make for a Star Wars movie this day's need cheap. And it's one of the cheapest Star Wars movies made.

So if it can at least get to like $450,500, it's going to be in good shape. And that's all they needed to do. this is a business decision to put into the theaters, condense the season, put in the theaters, make money. But Chris, how much do you think it'll make worldwide? I was saying, and say six at least. Well, and this is where it gets a little funky, though, is this movie does not need to perform very well.

It's so toyetic. It's so toyetic that what they need to do is focus on the merchandising. 100%. 100%. That's all this is about. It's just getting that sweet, sweet yogurt. 100%. Grogu up the ying yang again because as Winston said earlier when he did explode the first time

everything you got was Grogu shirts and Grogu and they didn't even have Grogu merch at the time they didn't even have they didn't even have stuff at the time and then finally when they released it it was like you know hotcakes it's like these shrieken what are these aboos or whatever these things are called now that's what I was saying replace Grogu with the boo boo boo boo. I don't understand them am I just that old yes we all are um because because I took because my little one, I took her to the, the mall

that's all she wanted was my oldest now, my oldest who would have been all over these things when she was seven or eight years old is now the typical teenager you know, this is a corporate shakedown of the, this is what she's

doing at 14 years old. This is a, this is a cat, this is a, you know, whatever it might be. I figure what's what she calls it. But it's like she's rebelling against system and thinks Labubu's are horrible. As we're the little one, it's we have to take out of the mall and go get a Laboob. And so

it's this whole thing. There's people making deals. Beanie babies, Pokemon. Yeah. They always come around every couple years. There's something that everybody goes, oh my God. That's it. They just look like they're doing crime. That's true. It's true. Hey, hey, Mr.

CJ. Cows, rollout. Roll out. Roll out. Hey. Hey. Hey, Mr. CJ. Hashtag, I wish I knew. Explaining this to Chris a couple weeks ago was hilarious.

Like trying to explain what the I wish I knew moment was. It was hilarious when we went through. I mean, it's amazing how long ago that was, too. Okay, so thank you to Hey, Mr. CJ. 32, the Capes and Cal's crew fighting to dethrone Roka, who's been in the driver's seat since Monday. my choice are you watching gen v it's been fantastic this year how much link later has never been better who knew he had it in him dude it is it is fantastic and he is terrifying and there was a big

twist in this last episode which really just goes to show how good of an actor he is and i would not be surprised if this whether or not he wins because there was a lot of really good tv who knows but he'll definitely, I think, be in the conversation for an Emmy or Golden Globe come, you know, next award season for this performance. He was insanely good. I run into the problem. I run into the problem right now that Chris was talking about before. It unfortunately, look, I love Gen B season one.

I loved it. Unfortunately, you have to do homework. You have to watch, I didn't see Boy's season four. And apparently you have to watch season four in order to watch season two. I'm like, I'm not, I'm not doing it. Not necessarily. I mean, it would, I think based on. off of what what Chris was saying earlier, you're going to miss a little bit of depth per se,

but they do a very good job, but they do a very, very good job of not only like recapping, but kind of re-explaining what happened. That's poignant to Gen v. Season 2. So you don't have to. It would just enhance the flavor. You know what I'm saying? If you did. Right.

All right. The Lilly Yankee support to CWWAMs and then upshals. There you go. Perfect. Thank you. Nice. Wham, I never call you Wham.

I probably would never roll. No, no. No, no. That's right. Okay. Dun, did it. All right.

So, Yosh, you meet soon. Congratulations on Winston's engagement. That's such good news. Sure is. Yeah, my family was so excited. They did a video for Winston's. to him.

Dude, that was so sweet. And could you, please, please let wifey and the babies know, like, you made, you made Kristen cry, man. I love you. They were so excited to see that video.

Sitting by the fireplace with dude. Yeah. And I was all, it was great. Robbie M. With the running man coming up, Edgar Wright, react.

It's a good question. I think that we're going to do running man with Arnold first. But maybe some Edgar right stuff. That's exactly what I was. was about to do myself yeah because step and i just did commando um on the channel which is decent someone said 10k interstellar is turning into like i said like so for people who were always wondering how this stuff works i tell winston this too we we're able to if i can have if i can do

reactions with everybody for the week and they all let's say they all do just okay but there's one big hit for the week that then cancels out just a they almost like how the Warner brothers did this year they're like okay Superman did 600 but sinners and Minecraft and everything else it all scratches others back so right now interstellar is our is our Minecraft so we're we're getting where it's more people are watching it so and that allows us to do more of the demon slayer stuff and everything too and and I'm really I kind of feel positive that triple R would have been hit first two I just didn't have

Chris had something going on to and I had something going on and it was just It's tough. So we will get to it. Once we start, we have quite a few movies that we're going to do. It's a three-hour movie, so there's another reason. But as far as the Edgar Wright movies go, yeah, I would love to watch. I don't know if Steph has seen Baby Driver. I don't know if she's seeing Scott Pilgrim, so we'll double check.

Orca 447, I just realized that a month before Secret Wars comes out, Disney releases Frozen 3. Is that true? I didn't know that. That'll make an interesting clash as Disney animated sequels are big. Just look at Inside Out 2 last year. Frozen 3 will be massive. Frozen 3 will definitely be massive, but I do not see them cannibalizing each other. There's no clash within, if it comes out a month before, there's no clash.

So you tell me a week before. But not only that, but they're just different audiences. You know what I'm saying? Like Frozen really is more of a focus on like kids and families, whereas Secret Wars is kind of more of a quadrant for, like if I'm sorry, a four quadrant in that regard. I just don't think that they're going to mutually hurt. I don't think they're going to hurt each other. You know what I'm saying? like yeah uh robie m congrats to wins there you go appreciate it appreciate it thank you for all the love man

wouldn't that be just the best engagement president if we win today you have to yeah you got about 40 minutes to try to take rook out 36 currently my cat so my my guess his secret wars has more and new variant cameos than we think now agreed cruz is iron man there was rumored at one point from one of the i think it was the multiverse movie that he was going to appear. Or Lou Farragno is Hulk, real crazy stuff. I hope they do stuff like that. I do too. That would allow them to do it.

Yeah, might as well. You set it up. That'd be fun. I wouldn't mind doing that at all if they did that. Do you ever see the meme of if the Avengers was done in the 90s and they like did like an opening credit sequence and it had like Cruz and like Brad Pitt? Yeah, I've seen it. It's great.

Get all of them. Whoever did that get all of them to be the variant like whatever. just just for a half second before you blow up their universe. That would be amazing. It would be hilarious. Jalen Frazier, DC1, 2025. Superman was enjoyed by most, and so was Peacemaker Season 2. A mixed reception finale doesn't cancel out that most fans were still high on it overall.

What was the overall fan rating for on Rotten Tomatoes? That's a great question. Let me see. Because I never, you know, let's see, Season 2, Peacemaker Season 2. So, I'm looking. 78%. Yeah, 78. So that's, you know,

that's not, it's not terrible. And a 57 from critics. I know obviously the fans. 57? 57? From critics? I see 90. What are you looking at?

Paul Nelson? I'm looking at rotten tomato. Are you looking at the episode or are you looking at the season? Season. Oh, I was looking at the episode. No, I'm looking at the season. The season is 95% from critics, 78%. By, uh, so that.

And yeah, the episode, the final episode was a 57% from critics. I don't really see a one for fans here, audience here. So maybe they don't do that for individual episodes. But yeah. Oh, this is a tough one. So this is, my brother just sent me this, sent me, like, so he sent me in a race, one legend from each row, wrestlers. Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold, or Rick Flair, who do you get rid of?

of. And then on the first. Hogan, Stone Cold, Rick Flair. In regards to what? Just like forever? Yeah, it says erase one legend from each row. Okay. So the first, first row is either Hogan, Stone Cold, or Rick Flair.

Who do you get rid of? I probably get rid of Hogan. I understand how big, probably Hogan. I have a soft spot for Rick Flair and, and Stone Cold is probably my favorite wrestler of Altides. I came in the rock, period. I'm talking about their career in general. I think you're both lunatics.

I'm aware of, I'm aware of the career. You don't even have, you don't even have Stone Cold Steve Austin. I agree. So I, stone cold, stone cold goes no, no question. Then, I mean, if you're going to really go that angle, then I'm dropping Flair, to be honest with you, but no, I'm not, I'm not

getting rid of stone cold smashing beers. I would give us. None of that. I can't do it. I can't do it. So race, one legend from the second row. Sean Michaels is the ultimate warrior or Brett Hart. I was like, that's, that's a hard. That's a tough one.

That's a tough one. Oh my God. Again, I will go based off of my own feelings. I'm going to get rid of Ultimate Warrior, but that's just because I didn't see a lot. That's so hard. That's so hard. That's incredibly hard, but I watched the other two. I know.

I know. That one I don't think you're as crazy for. Do you have, Chris? I'm not as familiar with this era of wrestling. Okay. So I feel bad where I'm just like, I don't know who I'd get rid of. It's also a warrior was. so great, but I think that

in the same logic that I have for the other ones, as much as I love the warrior, I loved the warrior. If you took him out, that that era would still survive. If you took out Sean Michaels and heart, that era would not survive. So I would have to take out the

warrior. I hate doing it, but I'd take the warrior out. And then the final row is a tough one as well. The Rock, Randy Savage, or The Undertaker? Randy Savage. You're lunatic. No, you can take out. You're a looted.

Sorry, sorry. You said, that's matriman. No, no, no, I know. But if you had said macho man, it would have clicked. You said Randy Savage in my brain fully went somewhere else.

You take out the Undertaker. And I understand the Undertaker. Like, had the longest career to all of them. Same. It's in this other, I bunch of shalon. I just didn't,

it didn't process. Yes, Mature Man of the Rock. There's no way. You're out of the Rock. I was like, well, you're out of your mind. So,

so we're pretty much the only one that we didn't agree with was the top bro. I'd like to actually, Luke or PLD, can you send that to Jonathan? I'd like to make that segment, flip on the channel. Okay, so as far as Jim, Superman was enjoyed by most, make sure we did that one already. Very cool. Okay, 39 so far, 39 as we get to the next one, and that is Optimus Climb.

For me and a lot of people, Superman and Peacemaker Season 2 was okay, but I'm afraid okay isn't good enough for the majority of people to come back, future. I mean, you're not wrong. That's fair. I think, I think you needed an app's, that that's fair and that I think you needed an absolute home run to get like everybody. So you got to hope that Supergirl does that or Clayface or something, but like it was still a good start. It doesn't mean that you're out of it. But, but yes, you need an absolute home run. Hey, Mr. CJ. I wish I knew. Indeed.

I wish I knew. Okay. We got 40. Robbie M. When asked for a cameo experience, the only thing gun needed to say is, I wish I knew expectations for the finale was too high. I mean, yeah,

you run that problem. You run that problem with, you know, hyping up stuff if it doesn't deliver. It's the truth. I wish I knew. Okay. Okay.

40. You guys need another 66 in order to tie. Let's go. I think you can do it. Peter Stone, I strongly disagree with saying Peacemaker 2 is irrelevant. It's literally its own story placed within the universe. There's tie-ins as there should be. I don't have enough enough.

I can't say enough about it because I didn't see the whole thing. I've just talked Peacemaker Season 2 to death at this point. Like if people want to get like my full, full thoughts, because I break down more specifically what I'm concerned about. You can look at my review. You can go check out Blurds in the Hood because I really got into what my specifics were. Like this would be a whole 30-minute conversation. What did Jay think about it?

Did you like it? He liked it until the end. Yeah. All right. Buster, Barnes. I think the article calling Peacemaker Season 2's DCU's first miss is a bit much. Yes, the finale disappointed many, not me personally, but overall the season was good. Seems to be split.

I think it's that same thing. you're like the finale was enough to spoil it for a lot of people yeah um okay tell the truth gun verse talk is unfair stuff was done already and got greenlit he canceled the authority as well so clearly not him doing whatever well it's it's not unfair because he like right now the two things that he has done whether i get greenlit or not seem very like the question to tell the truth well yeah right The question is when you watch something, right? And not as far as enjoyment goes. Because you can still, like I said, I enjoyed Creature Commandos and I enjoyed Superman.

But when you watch it, does the stuff inside of it overpower you to say, oh, this is a James Gun universe. And you feel like the James Gun isms everywhere and Tim Meadows getting face fucked and all these other things. Like is a James, a James Gun thing, right? does it overpower what you're trying to do with DC? And do you put pressure then? Because let's say everybody, let's say yourself, I see you loved what James Gunn's doing so far. And then the rest of the filmmakers and creators,

are they now have to go that route in order to make it seem consistent? Or can they do something completely different like a Clayface and the things people just don't care? But does it feel like it's part of the gun versus it feel like it's part of the DCU? Like you can absolutely call it. I don't think it's unfair at all. I think that's, I think that's wrong. I think it, I think you absolutely can say that it's fair, but you can't,

that's not to say you can't balance it. You can balance it. I mean, I think, Chris, what do you think. I mean, I think you can't bounce it. Fair is always something that's a little silly to me in these conversations. So I'm going to be very honest. And I don't mean that to be disrespectful to you in any way, tell the truth. But it is just a, when we're talking about a business and business things, we are

to compare what we've seen in this fiscal business year. That's that's all. We can't really compare what didn't make it onto the plate. You know what I mean? That's like going to a restaurant and going, wow, I heard their French onion soup is great, but they were sold out. So I'm going to let hold that against them. We can only judge them on what we've actually seen this year. And while I do appreciate that idea of, hey, we didn't let this go through. This needed so much work. And I like that deft hand. It still just means I can only take things at face value. It's the same thing with like Batgirl getting canceled. You know, I can't weigh in on whether or not that was ultimately the right choice

because I'm never going to see that movie. Right. We also didn't put the money into it to, it wasn't our money to spend. Exactly. Exactly. We're tax credit back on it. All right. Buster Barnes.

I think DC won this year. I think Marvel will probably win next year when you compare what's coming out. But I think the real winners are our fans. What a great comment. Yeah. Very well said. Very well said. That's wonderful.

William Trill. Hey, Christian, been a bit since I was able to hop on a stream. glad you did, William. Thank you. I hope everyone's doing well, and I hope you have a great weekend. Again, two nice comments back to back. Do that? Wow. Love it. Gleek the monkey, remember for three months? I'm not worried about the DCU having, do you know, Gleek? Is that a Wonder Twins reference? Yeah, that is a Wonder Twin. Nice. I'm not worried about the DC having the same tone. The Penguin shows Gun can oversee projects without meddling. Landfers will be telling, though. Well, no, no, no, Penguin does not show that. That was before, that was before his time.

was there they started developing that already too um and he was he gave his thoughts and stuff but that was already that let's see let's see how green how let's see how let's see how lanterns is that's telling that penguin doesn't count um but we'll we'll see we agree with you as far as lanterns goes um okay let's see next one william i finally got to see one battle the other night it might be my favorite movie of the year just barely beating out sinners also benicia was the best he was so good as well as pens of bandwalk the movie was wild it was such a crazy movie i forget everybody's and chris did you see this yet i still haven't seen okay okay um very excited for that one for sure you know what was something just my gosh something just dropped on uh the critics choice the thing that i've

seen so i have oh oh you know what i forgot even came out this week i mean this year was uh mickey 17 was like the beginning of the year totally forgot that movie even came out dude yeah That sucks because I had so much high hopes for that movie. Yeah, it's an okay movie. It's fine. It's okay. I had high hopes for it also. Lisa Evers.

Or season two of Peacemaker continued because people love the show and grew to love the character. Gun would be dumb to have thrown that away. Wait a minute. You're not, you are not wrong. Lisa, first of all, there's no or. That's part of. So let's take out or and put part of the reason also of him loving the show wanting to continued the show because his wife was in it and all the stuff that we said no or get rid of

or and again say because the first one was successful and people liked it also it gives me encouragement to bring it into the second season so we're all in agreement there's no or there um so 100% though i i agree with you absolutely that that has to be part of it can't if it was a shit bomb and then he did it, then it would be irresponsible. So it made sense that he would do it. It was successful. And the same way that the suicide squad wasn't a successful movie financially, but people loved it. So he made peacemaker.

Now, Emmanuel Tours, I wonder if Gunn is having trouble with Brave and the Bold script because of Reeves, including Robin, in his next movie. Yet another thing to compare the two. Is it confirmed that Reeves? No, it's been rumored. It's been rumored. There's a big, there's a big drama behind it with James Gunn and Jeff Snyder

because of the report. Is that? Okay. I just, I just remembered it. I realized, let me not, let me not kick up a Destorm for no reason.

Yeah. But I do, I think Robin will be in the Batman part two. So I don't know if, I don't know how much difficulty will be combining you to. Brandon Summers would immediately be fine with bail being D.C. is Batman. Here, here.

This would ever happen, but give me Timothy Shalemae as Terry McGinnis he could totally bulk up for it. That'd be wild. No, thank you. I'll tell you, I had a conversation about that kid. I think he's, and I know we're not talking about the same thing here, Chris,

but that kid is the goods as far as acting one. He's a great actor. Right. This is a different conversation. But like, so Marty Supreme is getting great reviews for people who have seen it, and I can't wait to see it. I had this conversation with two former colleagues.

recently. I still, I don't know if you ever discussed it, I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with the speech he gave at that award show and he said he wants to be one of the greats. I didn't either. I got super pissed off at that writer that dared to say, how dare you? Right. Whatever it was, she was either a talk show host. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, kids my ass. So you're not trying to be, you know, uh, he was respectful. He was totally respectful in how he said it. said, I want to be one of the greats. Like, would you have said, would you, would you, would you had a problem with Michael Jordan said that? No, you wouldn't know, because it's acting.

Yeah. She's a daytime host, so what? You don't want to be Barbara Walters? No, I love here. Or Kelly Ripper, you don't want to be one of the goats. You know what it is? It's, it's this fake. It's this fake bullshit of like, well, you can feel it. You just can't say it. And it's like, that's what it is. Like, everybody who's in this profession wants to achieve greatness. If you, if you, if you, if you don't then what are you doing? It's like every audition you get,

you're preparing your Emmy speech. You're like, this is the one. Yeah, because you want that, you want that level of, you know, okay,

I put the hard work in. I did what I needed to do. And look, I thought, I thought it was ballsy and I love it. I swear to God, if I ever interview the guy, I'm going to tell him how much I love that.

Because it was, it's one of my favorite speeches ever. God bless him. He's very talented. I think he's great. Very good. I just don't want him here. That's fair.

That's fair. I just couldn't believe that someone actually took umbrage with that. That is, of course. No, because it was, I remember that host, it's about as fake and phony as you're going to get.

The G-Man, hello, everyone. The Skydance bid for WB does concern me. Hope it doesn't happen. Shout out Batman Beyond. I wonder where we're going to get that. Yeah.

Yeah. I hope we get it. I wanted so much. Yeah. What's, what's an I-H post? An I-H post. Is it supposed to be IG?

Oh, no. Those letters. Those letters are close on the keyboard. Maybe it's IG. What post did I almost break the internet? Oh, probably your K-pop one. Oh, I hope so. What did you say?

I just posted the interview. I'm not sure what she meant. Otherwise, it has to be something where you were balancing champagne on your butt like Kim Kardashian. Is she? That broke the internet. I was going to say, did she do it again? Hold on. I got me right back.

I'm going to say. Content ideas. All right. It was Julia. I knew that would get him. I knew he'd have to go. Thank you so much. He would.

Lion's like a shit. All right. All right. Let's see. Now, hey, hey, Mr.

CJ. I wish I knew. Brandon Summers. Okay, I changed her mind. Mani Jekintovertire. I'm a big fan of Mani. Mani would be great.

I'm a big fan of me. Yeah. I shan't change your mind. That's amazing. I like that. Especially, I'm telling you, people,

you guys got to read Batman. Batman Neo year one. Oh my gosh, it's so good. And yeah, he'd be excellent. Harves K. K-pop Demon Hunters will be in theaters again on Halloween weekend, this time including AMC theaters at international markets. Will it do big numbers again?

Our most have fans have heard their film. Children, children, yes. It will go like a little horde. They were just on late night recently, even though the movie done big. Well, because they got platinum. Yeah, no. And especially with the with the Oscars push coming.

So I think it can have that kind of Rocky Horror type of thing too where people want to just go see it singing in the theater. I think I think so. 47. 47 need just around 60 to win right now. Okay. 60 to win in the course of 20 minutes. Can they do it? It's a tough battle.

But we shall see. Do it for love. Go pal, loving Gen B. And also me. That's right. What did I say? Did I say do it for Winston? Winston

Winston said do it for love And I was like Love, Mom And I'm here Sometimes I don't trust myself Chris I was like I said oh my God Did I say Chris?

Love Bob love Okay go pal Love Gen V Hamish was Was great on the underrated Crazy One series Rob Williams and Sarah Michelle Geller Oh wow I didn't

I never watched that one I never saw that Yeah I watched a couple episodes He was very good on that Yeah yeah Go pal Congrats to Wilson Nice Wilson

Brandon, shout out to Winston. Congrats my guy. There you go. Perfect. Okay. G-man. Hugo is her favorite Marty movie. That's peak.

Chris. Is that an insult? Is that an insult or is that speak to my whimsy? I think I think so. I'm filled with whimsy and joy. Let me have nice things. Fair enough. Did you see that in 3D?

I did. Yeah, I'm sure. That's under like, moving it yourself. And I loved it. And I loved it. Club and Grace Moore tricked Martin Scorsese. He thought she was actually British. He's great. Oh, sorry. Just got the Running Man 4K. He says. Ooh. Go pal. Don't think I've seen Running Man since the 80s. Wait until we watch it. Me and staff, watch it with us. John Darius, D.C. really does have to get the entire Trinity to win most fans. Superman was a way to win the trust back, but Batman Wonder Woman would have to be just as good. I don't disagree.

even if one is off the audience will give up. I don't they'll give up. I don't think they'll give up, but you need to grab it. And I'm not even trying to be a dick. I think the only one of the Trinity that if you really screwed it up was Batman. If Superman was only okay, I think it was very good. If Superman was only okay, if Wonder Woman was only okay, and Batman was trash, it wouldn't work. But if Batman's popping, it's just by the nature of how Batman brings in the box office.

You don't believe me. Just go look at the Batman box office stuff. So funny going through this wrestling stuff. Most of these people are very young, including the two of you, because by taking Hogan out of the equation, you don't have wrestling anywhere. You don't have Stone Cold.

I understand that. But you have to remember that that theoretical is implying that we would have still somehow had it. And I think the thing that's doing it for me is I am aware, even though I didn't watch Peak Hogan, I am aware of the thing. where he was kind of union busting to go get contract shit. That shit affects me.

Okay. And plus all the, look, like I said, it's personal stuff and shit that he said. And as a black man, you 100% should vote him out first. But I'm just telling you that as far as wrestling accomplishments and what it would do what you would do for the industry is you would destroy the industry if you take Hogan out of it. There is no wrestling. Today's wrestling.

How about this? How about this? We take Hogan's career and you give it to the undertaker. since, you know, whatever. Sure, then you keep the undertaker in it. So, okay, fine. Well done. Okay.

So the next one is John Darius. I also believe that if Warner Brothers and Gunn is smart, they'll cast Warner Woman and Batman the time the company splits in April. That's true. Peacemaker cannot be a cornerstone for the DCU. We need our true mascots leading the franchise. John Darius is 100% right. In order to really secure yourself,

you have to cast them and get the audience behind it. So you have, because right now you can't just, if you're going into the Warner Brothers sale, and regardless that there's a great portion of the audience that really is digging, Peacemaker, it's not a stand your ground thing. Like, look what we have. Look at what Peacemaker Season 2 did. Look how great that was. It doesn't work.

You've got to book Batman. You got to book Wonder Woman. I totally agree. Go palp. DCU's first miss is odd after one movie and two shows. I mean, are they, but they're basically on our ratings, though, too, aren't they? I think so. I think so, yeah.

Let's see, my brother is now writing, writing, they sent their picks, so. I'm so curious. They, they, they both was my friend, James and, and, and my brother who put it, they, they both, they get rid of Rick Flair, Warrior and Taker. Yeah, that, I mean, that, that's. That's, yeah. This is a very important conversation. I mean, I would say it. Yeah.

Who that rules all. It's true. D.L. James Gunn is D.C.'s Taika with Tidi who became Kevin Fikey. James Gun is DC. No. That, that, that, that, that, no. I don't agree.

I don't agree with that. Yeah. I don't agree. Yeah, I don't agree with that. Go, pal. Like, not much of a thing so early. And that's the one thing. I'm not going to go away from this thing going back to the stone cold element of all.

I will also say that I'm probably, I'm probably contradicting or being a bit of hypocrite, if you will, or contradicting myself, rather. If you go to that aisle, as much as it pains me to do, he's one of my favorites, you probably have to take flare out over Stone Cold, because in the same. same argument that I just made if it wasn't for Stone Cold that the WWE probably would be

defunct and the WCW would still be a thing or maybe not because he saved it. So even though I was never a big stone cold guy, that's where I made that that thing. You got to keep stone cold. I hate to say it, but I'll say it. Yeah. As legendary

as Rick Flair is, I agreed. Stone Cold in the rock. Like they brought in a whole new era. of wrestling fans. Yeah, well, and it started with Stone Cold before, even before. Exactly. No, I remember. So cold was the starting point. Yep. And that almost a Brady Manning type thing. Yeah. Yeah, the Rock got to develop because of the stuff that Stone Cold was doing. So, yes, it's true. So I changed my pick. Go, pal. Like, not much of a thing so early. Jake, looking forward to your Demon's day of reaction. Episode 19 especially, also, you guys and at least get through the Moog and Train movie. I think they were probably, at this point, we're probably,

we're just going to finish the damn series. I mean, the numbers are getting better. I will. Obviously, we want them even higher. And the further we get, they will. Yeah, let me look. I'm going to tell you, let's see, when we start, because they're growing, like, slowly,

but they're growing, right? So if I go back and I look at our first, when the hell, we did the first Demon Sayer Winston over a month ago, which is crazy. So where is the first? That one blew up. That one did like 30.

They did 26. You did 26, which is a good start. The second one has grown to around 15K. Let's see. The third, Chris Carr, our Transformers one did almost 40. It's pretty good. What? Yeah, yeah.

Demon Slayer, five and six did 11K, 10K on 7 and 8. Let's see, going down the line here. And then 11 and 12 did 10,000. and where is it that's looking sorry and 8,000 was the other one and then how did last weeks do and look 7,000 and 7,000 so they're they're doing okay they're doing all right I mean they're not they're not doing great but they're doing enough that I still want to keep watching it you know so we'll but we'll probably finish it we'll probably finish it and then interstellar that it's not like the like you said the last couple seasons since they're only what like

13 versus doing another 26. It's not as heavy slash if we're doing the movie and then just a few episodes that tie it, like that should also, you know. I hope so. It just shows you like the difference, right? And it's also algorithm stuff too. Like, um, for example, as we just said, our last episode, our last two episodes combined last week are just around 14K.

Uh, interstellar has been up for four hours. It's at 13.3k today. I'm on your thing right now. it says 8.1 maybe the numbers just they don't they don't they it's real time it's real time uh my cat 2015 hype for star wars was huge now i don't care what's coming out too many projects that went nowhere in week sequels what could get everyone hyped again i'm telling you if if you what you need to do and i use the word yesterday i use it again for um star star fighter is that that that's what's that's what's called right starfighter the one with uh gosling yeah star fighter starfighter needs to be

be a bipartisan movie that gets the audience back again in the way that Mandalorian season one the season two did that got the audience on the same page again and then it lost everybody again once they put out the shows and everything too it just ate shit um so if you can build out and create new characters and get the lore going again starfighter can get them back together that that can get people hyped again but it's a tough it's tough journey and the honest way to do it which they're not going to do is they need new leadership i've been saying that for two years Mayor Taranta, Chris, what's your thoughts on the Joshi soap opera on Monday Night Raw between Ria Ripley,

Io Sky, Asoka, and Carrie, best storyline going and wrestling for me. Oh, man, it's so good. So to be clear, I did not watch this most recent Monday Night Raw. I need to watch that match. But I've loved everything they've done with the Kabuki Warriors. And the Ria and I.O. pairing has been so lovely. Sorry, someone's jackhammering outside of my house. That's not a euphemism.

They're really doing. It's just Wow There's two people slamming in the bushes Just you know It's North Hollywood People get wild Yeah sure

But You know But I've really enjoyed these matches I think they're really great And I really enjoy Ria and Ios Just chemistry Friendship

All of that And then Oskah Doing this very fun Heel turn Is so wonderfully villainous up the scenery. Her actual like dialogue deliveries have been so great too. She's just menacing a. F. I love it. I love how into you you're so much more locked into it now that I am. I haven't

watching quite a long time. All right. Hey, Mr. C.J. Big balls will be the efficient at the wedding. I don't know if he's if he's going to show up. I wonder, Winston. What do you think? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, hey. Oh, my Lord. I want you to be honest with me. Now, can I come and hit on some of the maids of honors and stuff? Some of the bridesmaids.

I mean, look, I will run it by the misses. I'm sure big balls you can have an invite, man. But you got to get your passport. Oh, no. I just sneak into some suitcases and shit. There you got. Hi, man. That's what I do.

Just make sure you can get back in the country. Okay. How you doing? I got you, bud. I'm doing great. You can be in my carry-on luggage. So, hell yeah. Oh, wait.

You mean your suitcase? Yeah. Easy, buddy. Easy. Son of a bitch. A bastard. That's son of a bitch. Can't believe.

Sorry, Chris. It's all right. It's all right. He heard the jackhammering. Yeah, he's really. He's really, I can't control them sometimes. That's why I don't put them on the show as much anymore. You broke Winston.

It's unbelievable. Me, I didn't do anything. Jim 1, were any of you fans of the X-Files growing up, do you think the plan reboot could work, or will it struggle to capture what made it in the 90s table? If they use real, real, like, you know, some ideas, and stuff's going on with the topic today, and I know Cougar's a big fan.

So it's, Winston. Big Ball's broke Winston. Oh, no. You're doing them? Big ball-skilled Winston. Yeah. Yep. I still got it.

Oh, he still got it. Perfect. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Perfect. Hey, Luke, I need you to do that lower third again. I can't find.

The G-Man. K.H. about Kim. I'll be in my bunk. If you know, you know. It's a firefly reference. Oh, see? Okay. About solo leveling.

Yes. Yes. Kenya King. Has Winston seen, big trouble in little china oh no no way he has that's a good one for sure that's a good one that's fun it's a really good uh the g man chris it's all about your whimsy oh good thank you yeah uh the g man says congrats winston uh j john brings the filthy but chris brings the whimsy there you go i bring both yeah let's be clear let's be clear at this point says sometimes i type wilson by accent

I think that's where it first came about. I'm going to meet Go Pal in person one day. He's like, oh, my God, Wilson. Wilson, whoops. Go Pal, not even trying to make the joke anymore. That's hilarious. And he says, I'll figure out how to do the full length, watch along in time for the running memory reaction.

Go to, um, it's, it's, if you remember, I don't know if you remember a goal, but, you know what that symbol is. If he's, is a member? Is it? Oh, is it? Is that one. I'm not sure. Okay.

Well, if you, yeah, if you remember, you go, you just, it'll link up to the time code. And then you can just, you just watch it with us. Okay, Joe for show, any good sports bar wrecks in the village. I don't know enough about the village bars, to be honest. Got to catch the Dodgers game next week in New York. Oh, the Dodgers still in it? Yeah, they're playing the board. Even I know that.

Yeah, I haven't watched a single game since the Yankees got embarrassed. You're embarrassed. Who's even in it anymore? Toronto still in? Yeah, yeah. Dodgers are up 30 on the Brewers. and it is Toronto tied with Seattle. Oh man, that sounds like an exciting World Series.

I don't watch that. I mean, look. I will be rooting for the Dodgers if they play the Blue Jays. I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, 3-1. I didn't realize it went down like that, though. Joe, for show.

Ray Mysterio is also one of the most underrated, but Stoneclothes the goat for me. I don't know how anyone says that. I just don't know how anyone can say he's the goat. I just don't understand it. I think he's very, I think what he did for the industry, and what he did for that era was the best of the goat.

A lot of people put him there, but I just don't. Okay, Jody Money pushes glass out of those. If you nix Flair's career, does Turner even by Crockett? It's true. If JCP simply falls up the 80s alongside with everyone else and no WCWCWCST, of course WB, it's the attitude era, which is true, but, you know, it's not, Flair wasn't the only one.

He was huge, and he was one of the, and he was, there's no doubt. Look, Joey, I love Rick Flair and loved everything he did. And I always, I think that Vince McMahon

and Doug had dropped the ball by not having Hogan and Flair headline or WrestleMania. And I hated the stupid excuse for why they didn't do it. It was so dumb. But yeah, it was massive, but I still think,

I don't know, I get your argument, but I still think that I stand by my choice. Jim one. What comes out first? MCU Blade or Winds of Winter. Question. What's Winds of Winter? That's a great question. I don't know.

I don't know. Maybe that's the whole point. I'll Google it. I don't even know what that is. Winter. Yeah, go pal. Oh, it's the next George R. Martin novel. The last George R. Martin. Oh, okay. That's never coming out.

That man's never going to pick up a pen ever again, except to say it's on the graph. Yeah, Blade. Go pal. Have you all seen wrestling isn't wrestling? No. I don't know what that is. Not sure. I know what that is. Yeah. Let's see.

Okay. Michael Diagular. Who doesn't like jack hammering these days? It's true. Time in a place, Michael. Time in a place. Dude, I forget how funny Chris Carr is sometimes. Oh, yeah.

Because it's just because it's because it's all of your humor, fam, is so out of the blue and understated. It's, it is genius. It reminds me of like Ron Swanson. Oh, that's a great comment. Oh, I'm going to die out on that forever. Yeah, you're back. You know, no, I like, I like, this is my fun. I love, I love putting, sometimes I put people in time out.

I don't, I don't really ban anybody unless you really, really deserve it. But I like putting people in time out sometimes, like even if it's maybe not warranted. Like, like just now, I saw someone's comment who's when you, you were laughing about big balls. He said it wasn't that funny. So I just put them in time out. I like doing that. It depends. Maybe I'm in a perverted mode.

You don't know I'm engaged now. Sometimes that shit. Yeah, of course. Look, it just shows to let people know that you are still in my store. You know what I mean? Like you can, I like you to come into the store, like you to hang out in the store. But if you take your penis out in my store, I'm going to throw you out. I'm just going to pick you up by the pants and throw you out for a little bit.

Sometimes I'll let the door back open. Sometimes it's just shut it quick. And again, time and place. Right. You can't just, you can't just do that anywhere. That's it. Just depends. All right.

Look, we got 62. It was still a good fight. But that's it for now. So Winston A, where can the good people find? You can find me at the Swaggy Blurred on all platforms, YouTube, twitch.tv, TV slash the Swaggy Blurred,

all the social media stuff. Again, Blurt breakdowns on Monday. That'll be back this coming Monday. Spill the Tequila with John Roke on his channel on Tuesdays. Blurts in the hood, myself and Jay Washington. We are back on Wednesdays,

right back here on Fridays. And, of course, this weekend. and every weekend until we get through the series. Demon Slayer, myself and Christian, being hosted here on the channel, but we're doing the whole collab thing. So if you're trying to find it, you can find it through me.

It'll still give the metrics to Christian, all that stuff. So there you go. What an asshole I am. Michael Diagiar, who's one of our most loyal and wonderful commenters. I saw him in the comments. I am.

Can't hear me? I can hear him. Oh, you can? I can't. Oh, no. You're saying what you're saying. Michael, was one of our, was one of our most loyal, uh, commenters and greatest people.

And he said, when I said that about the guy that I'm, you guys. I think the work they're doing is screwing up my Wi-Fi connection. All right. I'm so sorry, y'all. Okay. Um, do what can she plug? Wait. We can hear you. So you just probably can't hear. You want to, tell you to plug yourself. Yeah, plug yourself, Chris. Yeah. Woof. All right. So what I'm doing. Two for the casuals. Go check out our latest. episode that's coming out today about Parenthormon and how wonderful it is.

Speakfriendstudio.com if you want to do voiceover lessons. If you want to hang out and work with me and learn about voiceover, animation, commercials, video games, how to audition for that stuff. Come to my boot camp, November 1st, all the details are on our website. Again, speakfriendstudio.com. Go do that. Thank you to Chris Carr. Thank you to Winston.

And thank you to Michael Deggar, who I, anyway, what I was saying was that in the comment section, he was like, oh my gosh, I thought you were going to time. me out. So just because he said that, I tied him out. But he did nothing wrong. Anyway, so thank you guys for being here. I really, really appreciate it. Thank you to Chris Carr. Thank you to Winston, A Marshall.

Thank you to legend MMM 600. I just said, I just want to shout out the merit. Stop that. Stop that. And I appreciate you guys very much. So, and PLD right now is twitching because John Roker has won the week. So thanks again for being here, guys. We'll see you guys on Monday.

As Winston said, please check out our Demon Slayer videos dropping tomorrow. Dunkirk will be up on Tuesday. I have an out-of-the-the-the-the-reaction for the Bruce Springsteen movie on Monday also. All right. Peace out. Later.