The Kristian Harloff Show - WHOOPS! Did SAG just confirm Pedro Pascal in FANTASTIC FOUR? | MCU

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow On the SAG website today, it seema as if they mistakenly let it slip that Pascal was indeed Reed Richards in the new Marvel Fantastic Four fil...m. Was it a slip or someone who just assumed it was announced? There are new Daredevil photos, RIP to Carl Weathers. We also discuss the relevance to Comic-Con now. A Quiet Place Day One has a trailer. This and more on today's show with Kristian Harloff and Mike Kalinowski  #marvel #MCU #fantasticfour #casting #trailers #reactions OUR SPONSORS: AG1: http://www.drinkAG1.com/bigthing BLUE CHEW: BlueChew wants to help you have better sex! Discover your options at http://www.BlueChew.com. Chew it and do it! FACTOR: Head to http://www.FACTORMEALS.com/bigthing50 and use code bigthing50 to get 50% off your first box and 2 free wellness shots per box while subscription is active. OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-...

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Starting point is 00:01:57 It is Wednesday. Thanks for joining me here on the show. It's myself, Christian Harloff, Mike Kalanowski here. Yes, sir. And there we are. It's a nice two shot. Yes, perfect. Thank you for joining us, guys.
Starting point is 00:02:11 And thanks to joining me, Mike. Yeah, buddy, boy. How are you enjoying the rain? I love it. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I have to work in it, but I love it. Yes, I meant.
Starting point is 00:02:19 Work's got to be not fun. It sucks, but, you know. It is what it is. See? There you see that. Perfect. We got a lot to talk about. There's tons of news.
Starting point is 00:02:29 There's tons of news and stuff that kind of happened. Even when you were on your way over here, things that were breaking. Oh, yeah? Yeah, let's talk about this first one right off the bat, and as I mentioned, Sag might have just spilled the beans from Marvel, mentioned that Pascal is indeed in Fantastic Four. In the worst kept secrets so far to date, it has been just over two months since the news came that Pedro Pascal was in negotiations
Starting point is 00:02:51 for one of the leading roles in the Fantastic Four film at Marvel Studios. Marvel hasn't confirmed the casting or any casting on the film, for that matter, even with the shooting slated to begin this year. It now appears that the actors' unions, SAG After might have accidentally done it for all of us in the latest career profile on the beloved Game of Thrones, Last of Us, and Mandelorian actor. According to coming soon, a post on the SAG Foundation website this morning seemed to confirm that Pascal has signed on to become Reed Richards slash Mr. Fantastic in the film. The posting appears to have since been adjusted with any mention
Starting point is 00:03:26 of the film removed. It's not clear if it was a mistake or why it was removed, but as it's sag after, who are very careful about proper accreditation, it is suspicious. Matt Shackman is set to direct from a screenplay being written by Josh Friedman based on a draft by Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer. Pascal has no shortage of projects coming up with filming HBO's Last of Us season two, and apparently he and Chris Evans are circling past lives director Celine's new film in Materialist, which also stars Dakota Johnson. Okay, so let's start with this one. They're absolutely right that Sag is very careful about the stuff that they post. Yeah. Now, is it possible that whoever wrote this was like, oh, there's all this stuff
Starting point is 00:04:09 because it becomes, you just see it so much in the news that you probably just think, oh, and he's in Fantastic Four also, so we'll put that in there. You know, he's also just going to start filming that soon. That would be pretty irresponsible if they did it that way. I think what happened was they know that he's indeed in the movie, and they wrote it, and they probably don't keep up with whoever wrote it doesn't keep up with all the stuff of the Marvel secrecy and all that and just figured it is what it is, and then got 75 calls. No, it hasn't been confirmed yet, and I think they just confirmed it.
Starting point is 00:04:42 I don't know. Like, I don't think the people in that SAG department, you know, Sag after that are handling that kind of thing know what's going on with CIA, William Morris, or whoever he's with and ins and outs of the deals. They don't, they're not privy to all that. But why do they post it then? I think they just assumed it's out there in the ether. We all, it's like, like the guy said, it's like it's the worst kept secret in Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I said that. You read it off that thing. No, I put that in there. Oh, you threw that in there? You're adding articles to this people. Look at you, Jesus. You can't trust anything nowadays. You got to give me credit, though, because you just quoted it and you said it was like,
Starting point is 00:05:14 Christian Harlov of a big thing, credit for this. Thank you. Yeah, I think they just thought, like, of the upcoming Last of Us season two and the Fantastic Four, like, has season two been confirmed of the last of us? Are they filming that? Do we know that yet? Season two, yeah. All right, but I think they just kind of lumped it in there with what's on the horizon
Starting point is 00:05:30 for the guy. Like I said, I think that's possible that, I mean, but... I don't think the guys like, well, here's a... We've got the breakdown sheet of the cast of Fantastic Four. It's confirmed all on this. Go with the article. They don't get stuff like that. I guess. But this is sag.
Starting point is 00:05:44 They probably looked up on IMDB. It's like, upcoming projects. All right. So I bet they probably looked it up. The guy writing the article, who the copy put up there. Because it says in production. Doesn't even say pre-production. This says in production. And you've got three actors listed.
Starting point is 00:05:59 You don't have the Johnny storm guy on there. I think he was like the one that was like the most confirmed. No, he wasn't. He's actually the least confirmed. Vanessa Kirby, Pedro Pescal, and Evan Moss-Brock are the ones that are on, it does say rumored though. It does say rumored. Okay. Yeah, they all say rumored. It says rumored. So like if you're, if you're the sad guy and you go to IMDB and you see rumored, maybe you're not paying attention. Or you don't do your due diligence and you just go to the main like scrolling thing and you just scrolls it and it says fantastic for 2025 Pedro Pescal. That's what it says. on this part.
Starting point is 00:06:30 So they probably didn't even go deep. They were just like, okay, we're working for that. Right. So, I mean, look, it's all possible. It is all possible that that's exactly what happened. But it's also possible that they're like, okay, here you go. This is a project that he's working on. Because if they're doing this profile piece on them, you're going to do, you're going to do, you should be doing your homework.
Starting point is 00:06:49 And then you go, okay, this is, he's going to be in this and this and this. But maybe it's the side of the agency that maybe you should have said, hey, don't mention that. You should have just said and rumored. to be the lead of Marvel's next big phase film. Right, or don't mention it at all. Yeah, yeah. So I do, but I do... You can't not do that.
Starting point is 00:07:07 Because, and I'll tell you why. You want to know why? No. It's just like every one of the people in our circle of friends that are pundits that interview people, I swear to God, I would love for every one of them to never again ask. So, you were here for this movie, but let me ask you something. Would you like to be in a Marvel movie if Kevin Feigie gave you the call? Right.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Every one of them, no, my producer tells me to ask that. How about you go to your producer and go, no, I'm not. asking that question. Everyone does it. It comes off disingenuous. The actor doesn't like it. Let's not be this news organization. Everyone. Would you like to be? No actor's going to go. Nah. It depends on it. Unless you're Leo. Look. You're Leo de Capra. He's going, it's not for me. But every other actor up and coming is to be like, of course I would like to work with that. Look. Unless you do it, unless you spin it in a different way. Like, right. Ian McShane is someone I had on. And I asked him. And I was like, I want to see him in a Star Wars film. Yeah. So I didn't say would you want to. That's not a Marvel film. That's a Star Wars film. But still, but same thing.
Starting point is 00:08:00 But I wouldn't, but listen to me for once in your life. Now, what I said to him was not, do you want to be in a Star Wars film? I said, have you auditioned for a Star Wars film? Because I feel like you'd fit in the universe so well there, whether it was a Sith or an Imperial or a Jedi. And he's like, no, they never asked me to come in. I'm like, what? How do you never ask? How would Ian McShane never read for anything in Star Wars?
Starting point is 00:08:22 So I will ask, but I'll ask in a different way. Like Diego Luna. Which you. Diego Luna was rumored to be. was rumored to be Reed Richards. Right? So I asked him. I asked him the rumor.
Starting point is 00:08:37 I said to him, is any truth to this rumor? Of course, he didn't tell me shit, but I'm going to ask him that particular question. But I agree with you that it shouldn't be like,
Starting point is 00:08:45 would you want to be in a marvel? Who's going to say no? Everyone does that. It's always the same thing. No, if you engage the actor in a conversation that makes a deeper conversation, sure. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:54 But you're on the red carpet. Would you like, if Kevin Kaff Hekekeke called, would you like to be in a marvel? movie. No. My producer made me ask that. Right. I understand. I get it. The generic stuff. I don't like generic interview questions. They do drive me crazy. I actually got in a place I used to work. I used to do junkets and it's and they'd be like, let's like just ask these questions. We had three or four minutes. I'm like, but I don't want to ask this. Everybody asked this.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Right. I'm like, and you got to ask it. We got to get the sound bites. I'm like, but I want to talk and have a conversation. I was like, even if it's a two or three minute conversation, I'd rather bring up just organically. Like that's what I like to do. Like to have the conversation with it because I think if you get into it, like if you're on the show and I'm like, all right, listen, rumors are I know your big comic book. If it was you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:40 I'm like, I know you're a big comic book. I know you're a D.C. guy. Yeah. And obviously you'd want to be in this movie and in a D.C. film. Like, have you gone in? Have you had your agents call? Like, I got to know. Because I got to see.
Starting point is 00:09:52 I'd love to see you in it. I know I've heard you talk about it. And then that's it. That's the conversation started to go into it. That to me is a better way to get into that type of stuff. But either way, the Pedro Pascall of it all, I think that I think he's 100% Reed Richards. Do you still think it's not coming out in 2025? Did they, is there a date set or did they just say 2025?
Starting point is 00:10:15 I thought it was Christmas? Well, I don't know, man. That's, I don't know. I mean, I look at something like Superman Legacy. May 2nd, 2013. So before Superman Legacy. May 2nd, 2025. And I look at Superman that that movie is going, they've got,
Starting point is 00:10:32 I mean, he's storyboard, he's got his composer, he's got everything going, and they've been going on it. Yeah, it won't hit me. It's not hit in May 2nd. No way. I think it'll be July. I think if they're sticking to 2025, but there's an avatar in December isn't there.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Yeah, that's so you don't want to do that. Unless everything has been so far outside of the cast, production-wise, they've been going up. But this was all during the upheaval and the slowdown. of shutting you, like, pump the brakes, we got to fix this. Yeah, but look at Deadpool. Deadpool was way further along, but I'm saying the once the strike ended, Deadpool was, who's to say that Marvel hasn't been doing that?
Starting point is 00:11:12 The strikes went over for four months. That's what I mean. And they haven't done, they haven't announced anything. Maybe they're keeping a quiet, maybe something like this. They're like, no, no, no, we're not ready. We have a whole event of something we're going to do to announce all this. They think they're waiting to Comic-Con to announce something. Oh, why are you doing that?
Starting point is 00:11:27 If that's the wait, not. You're not, I don't think that's a crazy, I don't think that's crazy. I don't either. Maybe that's like their big thing of what they want to do. I think they're skipping Comic Con this year. Just because of- Can they skip it last year? They did.
Starting point is 00:11:39 I just don't think there's anything to go. I think Comic-Con's over. No? No, I don't mean, I don't mean as an event. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. As far as being, it used to be the place to be, to spend. Because as studio is trying to kind of cut back money, although you say that.
Starting point is 00:11:54 And then the Super Bowl, they're going to spend $12.5 million for every like 30, seconds. Yeah. So, but they're trying to cut back on money because I think you get more benefit out of the Super Bowl than you do Comic-Con. So I don't know. Maybe they're got, maybe you're right. Maybe they will cut back.
Starting point is 00:12:09 I think, I think this year was a testament. You didn't go this year, did you? No. Because there was nothing big there in Hall H. Yeah, but it's also different. But the Comic-Con was one of the busiest it's been, and the feedback was the, it got back to the place it was before. Before the studios.
Starting point is 00:12:24 The studios took over. Right. And I think that's what everyone that goes there wants. As the people who want, yeah, it became in like 2000 and like three, 2004, it became a real industry place to go to debut stuff. Yeah. To have those big parties, to do all those things. But one of the reasons I didn't go last year is because for me, my work, it just changed. So when I was covering it for interviews, it was Fandango, it was Collider, it was Spike TV at the time.
Starting point is 00:12:55 So I would be there for the interviews and get that stuff. And then for Shmose, we would do certain, whether it was podcasts or out or certain reactions or reviews and things. Those trailers were way more exclusive. Oh, yeah. Back then, and you couldn't see them. Now they release it like most of them. So there's some that are exclusive, but most of them are out there. And I'll actually get the footage and everything out with better quality here.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Because you're sitting here in a studio. Sure. Then from outside of, and being there is still, you can't match it. It's fun. You guys go every year. You guys have been going for forever. And it's more of a, it's not work for you. No, it's fun.
Starting point is 00:13:37 It's fun. I don't go for the fun now. And that part of, for me, is over. It's interesting because I think, I think sometimes they overestimate the hype of what Comic Con can do. I know the big Scott Pilgrim of it all. But did turtles do well or no? The new one? Mutant Menace.
Starting point is 00:13:54 I think it did okay. I'll double turn. Because that tore Comic Con up, because they screened like 20 minutes of it. And it, everyone went nuts for that. And that was the talk of Comic-Con, at least for the day, was how great this movie's going to be. And I thought, when I remember when it came out,
Starting point is 00:14:10 it got great reviews, but people just didn't go see it. Let me see. Which is real disappointing because it's a real good movie. It made, oh, worldwide. I think it made 180. Wow. Okay. So I think it grows 180 worldwide, received positive,
Starting point is 00:14:24 positive reviews for its performances. Okay, maybe I was wrong. Overall, I mean, what was the budget, right? So let's see what the budget was. It made $180, and it cost $70? No. So it made some money. Probably needed just about $140, $150 to break even.
Starting point is 00:14:40 Okay, then I'd stand corrected, because that was a big, yeah, big, that, maybe that gave it the boost. Maybe Comic-Con gave it the boost that needed. I don't know. I don't know how much power Comic-Con has anymore. That's one of the reasons. I think they realize the people that they're showing all this, too, they're the given audience.
Starting point is 00:14:55 They're the ones that are going opening weekend. And if your trailer is hitting the same way and you're not spending the money for it and you're releasing it online and it's getting the kind of buzz that you wanted to. Anyway, the internet changed things up dramatically. You know, it's interesting too
Starting point is 00:15:05 is the type of movie that goes there because I remember Maverick played and Cruz showed up for that. It didn't play, but they trailer. That was 2019. I know. But I almost felt like that crowd wasn't the crowd for it.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Right. I mean, they still went nuts for it and Tom Cruise was there, but it was just like, it felt weird to see Yeah, but Maverick there. Because it would be, that's what Comic-Con essentially became after a bit
Starting point is 00:15:29 with movies, right? Yeah. It ceased from being just comic book stuff. And it was like everything big. Like TopCon, you're right, it's not a comic book. What does it do in there? It's fun. I remember it was Twilight that changed that. Because I didn't go for those years.
Starting point is 00:15:44 My friends that had always gone before. Twilight was that Comic-Con? They said that was the first year where you had to wait in line for Hall Age because everyone went just for that. Didn't care about the, Comic-Con, they were in line, creating the massive lines for Hall-Age. Before, you could walk into Hall-Age day of.
Starting point is 00:15:58 I remember I was thinking he was like Ironman and stuff like that. It was like, but it was the Twilight that changed. I think the studios saw that, but now it's shifting back. Of all your years in Hall-H, what was your biggest that, like, you felt the audience what nuts were, because I remember mine. Well, I mean, Marvel, Marvel had, because this is my biggest problem, not only with Comic-Con, it's my problem with all of these cons, with all, with, with, when there's big presentations. My biggest problem with these
Starting point is 00:16:25 presentations is that it's the same thing. They bring out a host who, very similar to you talking about before, asked the same stuff, and it's like they just ask, in Star Wars Celebration, they do the same thing. It's like they ask questions, they get the behind the scene stuff, and then hey guys, uh, there's a trailer, no one knew that was coming.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And it's like, but it's never, it's never, and the trailers are fun and people lose their minds, but it's like, it's never a show. It's like these things should be a show And the, and especially You're going to spend the money on it. And like when I I hosted the Cobra Kai thing, they put on a full show at the Nokia
Starting point is 00:17:02 Theater. Like there was there was music that they played and What's his face? Joe Esposito played You're the best around. At the end you had, you had, there was like martial arts like you know, fights that they would do. There was stand-up comedy. There was all this stuff that they did.
Starting point is 00:17:18 It was like a show. And I just did my job as the host and got us to those moments, and I didn't, you know, and I wanted to make a thing out of it. But then there were, Marvel has always done it right. Like when they had Loki, when they had Tom Hidleston come out,
Starting point is 00:17:34 dressed as Loki, if you can do that type of stuff, and if you're able to, like, and with the big screens on the side of it, and say what you will about what the hell was going on during the time, it was just so bizarre and weird that, like, Amber Hurd was on right after, like, Johnny Depp was on stage at Comic Con.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Do you remember that? I don't remember that. It was during the midst of all this stuff. And he came dressed out up as... Jack Sparrow? No, as what's his face from... Ronco? Stop it.
Starting point is 00:18:00 The dude from Harry Potter, whoever he played, the guy... Oh, yes! And then like five seconds later, she came out. It was just weird. But either way. Grindle Hart or Grindle... Yeah, when the rock came in dressed up as Black Adam, like, if you have your actors
Starting point is 00:18:18 and you can have them in character playing the stuff and doing those things and putting on a big show and having, like, because Marvel, what they did is they kept showing video stuff and they kept doing things. And behind the scene things, sure, some people want to see it, people who are there, but it's like,
Starting point is 00:18:33 make it a show. Make it a show. They did that at D-23 with Marvel when they did the musical, the Captain American music, yeah, the Rogers thing. So that's the kind of, the moments to me,
Starting point is 00:18:43 I think the ones that have stood out, oh, and you know what stood out, speaking, well, Transformers, when they did the bumblebee panel, they had Stan Bush come out play you've got the touch at or and dare from and it's like do stuff like that like they did the Halloween panel at one point which another movie wise at comic con but Halloween and jamey le curtis was there and they looked like they were going to like have michael meyers come out with the
Starting point is 00:19:06 shud have them coming down the freaking like scaring people but they didn't do shit and it was like it's just so boring a lot of these things i don't know what what's your favorite one oh i was going to say it was i remember the biggest reaction i thought was when they debuted the trailer for Fury Road. Oh, really? That thing. Like, I didn't... I knew there was a new Mad Max movie coming out, but I wasn't into it.
Starting point is 00:19:28 It wasn't my thing, but watching the audience go nuts for that was... That was insane. But a weird one on the flip side of that stuff, they brought out... I cannot pronounce the actor's name, so I'm not even trying. The guy who plays High Evolutionary in Guardians 3. And everyone was like, what? Because we hadn't met the character yet. Was it?
Starting point is 00:19:46 No, two years ago. Was it two years ago? It was the first year back from the pandemic. Okay, two years ago. Yeah. this character yet. So no one knew who he was and we're just like, what is he talking about, about turning humans into animals
Starting point is 00:19:56 and it was a weird, they were trying to go for that Loki vibe, but everyone knew Loki that way. Oh, he came out dressed as a character. Got it, got it. And he was talking and now seeing the movie it makes more sense with you. You're like, oh. We didn't know him yet. But you didn't know him yet. So I think it was just like that didn't work.
Starting point is 00:20:13 But at least they tried. Yeah, they've always put on a good show. At least they tried. And so that's, that, I think that they just need, if they're going to spend the money on it, put on a show. Yeah. Because the same boring here, like, the hosts have gotten better. But there's some hosts that sometimes you're just like, how?
Starting point is 00:20:29 Like, why are you up there? It's like, they just, it's like, okay, guys, who's happy to be at Hall Age? Can you give me it again? Here we are. Can you believe we're here? Hall Age, guys. This is Hall Age. We know.
Starting point is 00:20:42 Hall Age, we know. It's like, just up top. How's it going, Hall Age? Great. Big, big round of applause. All right, let's do it. boom, I'm just going to be here. The host shouldn't, you shouldn't even know the host is there. You shouldn't even know the host is there.
Starting point is 00:20:57 Because the host thinks, every host that goes up there thinks that it's going to be their career-defining moment. No one cares about the host. They care if the host is bad because it brings the energy down. But if a host is really good, you don't even notice that they're there. And if you get a couple of jokes, like, oh, yeah, it was great. It was because you realize that that host has shifted your attention to the, the people you're supposed to be paying attention to.
Starting point is 00:21:22 If the host is like, oh, look at me, are not quick and smart and everything too? And maybe you get some good jokes in there and that's fine. But focus on the show. It's a show. It should be a show. And I never, and that's what has driven me nuts because it's predictable every single time. Yeah, you're right. Anyway, what do you guys think about all this?
Starting point is 00:21:40 The Pedro Piscall part, do you think, you know, pretty much confirmed? What do you think happened with this sag thing? And what do you think about Comic-Con? Like, do you agree with what we're saying here? Do you completely disagree? Do you like the way that the panels are set? Have you watched them? Even if you haven't been there in person, have you watched them online?
Starting point is 00:21:55 Do you think it's, do you pretty much just fast forward to certain things? Do you watch clips? Because who watches the full panels? Maybe people do. I don't know. All right. Now, before I move on, I want to let you guys know about two of our wonderful sponsors here, both AG1 and Factor. Here we go.
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Starting point is 00:25:47 Smoke coming off your deck. Smoke? It's... It was probably heat, you know, condensation because it's cold out, it's probably warm, but I'm just... Watch your deck catch fire. All right, here we go. Let's get to the next story here, Mike. What do you got? You watch this thing today? Probably not. The Quiet Place. Are you a Quiet Place fan? I do like the films. Yeah, I didn't watch the trailer though, but... The trailer was fantastic. Was it? It was really, really good. Little Peter Niyang-Go. Yeah, I like her. I didn't really see it.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I don't remember. I have to go back and watch the first two. Yeah. Because I saw the first one, really loved it. Saw the second one that said, it's good? Fine. Yeah, now I'm thinking about it. I saw the first one quite a few times.
Starting point is 00:26:27 The second one, I think I saw it once in theaters, and I haven't seen it since. I just... I forgot Shyman Hansu was in the second one. Jiamen Hansu, but who's the... There's also another well-known actor that he... Oh, Killing Murphy. Yeah, Killing-Murphy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Oscar winning. or soon to be Oscar winning, William Murphy. Maybe, or Giammati. Or Giamati. Yeah. It's a tough one. It's a tough one. It's tough.
Starting point is 00:26:50 But either way, Jiamen Hansu was in this one. Yeah. And I had said, oh, I guess he probably dies in this one. I was like, no dummy. He's in the second one. I was like, oh, yeah. I haven't seen the second one.
Starting point is 00:27:00 And I think it was one of those, wasn't it a day in release because of the pandemic? Probably. I feel like it was. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. You guys can tell me. But I love this trailer.
Starting point is 00:27:10 And I made my top 10. anticipated movies, and this wasn't in there. But I was curious about when they said, well, we're going to do a prequel to this movie. That's a prequel of the first one? It's called day one. It's called day one. It's like the first. Oh, because yeah, the first movie, the first movie,
Starting point is 00:27:26 they are already, but the first one, the second one shows it happening. Anyway, look, I'm going to do magic like I did with Winston that day. Watch this. All right, Mike, you've seen the trailer now. Yeah, I did. So, what did you think? It's great. I'm curious. One, how is Jamon Hans's,
Starting point is 00:27:42 not a bigger star than he is. Like, I see him, like, he's so reliable. And you always cheer when he shows up. And you know you're going to be, you're never going to be let down. Right. Like, how is he not a bigger star than he is? But I love when he pops up.
Starting point is 00:27:55 So, it's interesting because I see something like that, and is it Krasinski directing? No, I'm not directing this one. Did he direct the second? Yeah, he did. See, now when I see stuff like this, and I think he did. And I think the original concept was so great.
Starting point is 00:28:07 And so, I don't want to say small budget, because I'm sure it had a massive budget for a film of that size. but it just like let's go bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and it takes some of the mystery like I don't know I don't think the budget on this one is that big okay I think you had um I think that this was a but you just see the studio involved going how can we do more of this how can we do more of this and I get it I get it they're that I agree as far as like franchising it yeah and maybe making a shared universe because you would assume that what's going to happen is and I have to go back and watch it they're that I get to watch it's that I agree with that I agree with watch the second movie. But what I would assume is going to happen is that if this one hits, Lepid and Yongo and Emily Blunt
Starting point is 00:28:50 will probably meet up for Quiet Place 3, which would make sense. And she's alive at the end of the second one. I think so. Again, I have to go back and watch it, but I think so. You know what did it really well, this kind of shared universe thing?
Starting point is 00:29:01 Cloverfield. Man, those first two. The third one that was up in space, I don't know if they ever said that that was part of Cloverfield because it got really kind of crazy. But Cloverfield then, was it 10 Cloverfield?
Starting point is 00:29:12 Lane. Those are great. Yeah. But, you know, movies, and clerks and Morrots did it well, too. But either way. So it's, this movie, to me, like I said, it wasn't on my list.
Starting point is 00:29:24 Yeah. But it, if I didn't re- if I had to rethink it, it very well could be, because this trailer was great. I mean, and I only think the things that were big was the beginning. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:37 And did you miss the guy who did the great dance in the beginning? the great dance when she's walking in the city and the guy just does this spin did you see that oh watch this you mean just in the background he's walking yeah it's fantastic
Starting point is 00:29:49 is this gonna lead anywhere are you saying or you're just like I like this extra that's dancing in the background it's just a great dance hold on watch watch this he's got in the back corner back right that extra was gonna be on camera
Starting point is 00:30:09 no matter fucking what he knew he knew that the camera was gonna pan towards him and he knew right at the right moment. Whoa. Fantastic. I love the
Starting point is 00:30:20 what are the odds that we actually see him die? No, no odds. You think we'd never see that actor again? No.
Starting point is 00:30:25 That extra's done for the day? No. And I, and I'm really, I'm really upset. I'm really upset that no one else
Starting point is 00:30:31 is talking about him because he is, like, that's a great extra move because there's some bad extras. It's a terrible extra move because that's the point of being extra is not being seen
Starting point is 00:30:39 and not standing out. You didn't notice it. You didn't notice it. Hold on. It's like that guy and saved by the bell. Have you seen that? where he's like, it's like a Mentos commercial
Starting point is 00:30:48 and he's just like, oh, it's awful. It's awful, but it's so perfect. Is it saved by the bell? The guy with the mullet? He's got like brown, long hair. He looks Latin. Yeah, yeah, that's not saved by the bell, but I've seen that. It is.
Starting point is 00:30:59 It's saved by the Bell remake. Oh, it's the new, it's the remake. It's the new remake. That's from. And he's in the back going. It's, it's, it's awesome. It's awesomely bad. Good for the kid.
Starting point is 00:31:09 Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it. But anyway, I hope that guy gets his own movie. I really don't. I hope that guy gets a bus drop down. The spin? Yeah. I like to call him the spin.
Starting point is 00:31:18 And they run into the spin later. And the aliens try to attack him, but he just goes like this and gets out of the way because he spins out of the way. It's him spinning down the street as the aliens are jumping at him. He spins. I love. I love it. And he's got his headphones on. He's not hearing anything.
Starting point is 00:31:30 It's his name. And they call him spins. I love it. Hey, spins. Get over here. Got to get away from the aliens. Call spins. Anyway.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And they're probably editing that. Like, look at this fucking guy. I need the shot. She's walking up the scene. and this fucking guy, can we edit him out? She's like, nah, I can't. But nobody noticed him. That's probably like, nah, you can't even notice him.
Starting point is 00:31:49 As long as nobody calls it out on a trailer reaction. And here you are. First thing I did, spins. I love spins. And I hope, do me a favor. Go to the trailer and just say, we want spins. Just like we want Cody, we want spins.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Spins. They go into the trailer. People are like, what the hell are spins? But you know, New York, 100% people like that walking down the street. 100%. That is about as all. That's why I say,
Starting point is 00:32:13 you cut it out? That's about as authentic as it gets. Yeah, I think that's like, they were like, that's New York. It just spins. One more time. Come on, show us. Show us what you got. Look at him. Arms up. Yeah, he's, looking at me. He's like an old varsity jacket on, too. He's, look, he's phenomenal. I love spin. Look, he's getting ready. He's, he's already. Wait, is he looking up at the sky? He's ready for his spin. He doesn't even his headphones
Starting point is 00:32:32 on it. They're on his neck, right? Woo! He doesn't even, he just, he does that all up. He doesn't care. He just wants to show that he can spin. I love spins. Spins for president. All right. Next one. Yeah. Got to talk about Carwethers, man.
Starting point is 00:32:46 Yeah. You know, this whole thing is, it sucks. And these episodes in general, it started with Sith Council, and it started with us doing Bad Batch and Mandalorian stuff. It's been Mandalorian. It was Mike and I, we've been, you know, a Rocky fan. Rocky and Star Wars are my two things. and Carl Weathers was just larger than life.
Starting point is 00:33:16 And then that was a real gut punch. Like, PLD wrote me. He told me, but what did, I talked a lot of, if you guys wanted to see my full take on everything, you know, I talked about it with Roke on Monday, but I wanted to get Mike's thoughts overall. What did Carl Weathers kind of mean to you? And how did you take the news?
Starting point is 00:33:31 It was just, it was like, I don't remember where it was. I was like off Twitter, usually if I'm working, I'm checking it every 20, 30 minutes or something. But something happened, I was driving, and maybe I hadn't seen it for about an hour, and then it was just flooding. It sucks because I was talking to someone, like you and I are now getting to the age
Starting point is 00:33:49 where the people we grew up with, where our heroes are going to be passing away. And it's, when I was younger, you don't think about it, you know. And I remember when I was younger, a friend lost a father, and he was like, yeah, this is the time we start losing our parents. And my other buddy and I, Nate, we're like, what?
Starting point is 00:34:05 We're 20 years old. Our parents are in their 50s. We're not losing our parents. His parents were just older at the time and not as healthy, but now, you know, 25, 30 years later,
Starting point is 00:34:13 we are at the age where we're going to start seeing it, and it sucks because... What I love about the Carlybother thing was seeing the people and where they know him from and seeing the love of, like, Action Jackson come out.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Like that clip of that, like, how you like your ribs. And that one scene of him chasing the taxi. I love that movie. I love actually. It was Vanity,
Starting point is 00:34:32 right? Vanity. Oh, yeah. Man, as a kid of vanity. Vanity, but seeing the people and where, like,
Starting point is 00:34:37 there's a whole generation just known him as Grief Cargo. you know and he had a resurgence a second kind of thing with his life and it seems between the Rocky and then the then he had the phase of the with Billy Madison was it or happy Gilmore? No happy Gilmore
Starting point is 00:34:50 but then he went out didn't go away for a while but then he just see how much television he did just guest stars on all and so to see all the actors that worked with him on TV talking about him and he directed a lot of TV and stuff I think so you know it's he was so generational
Starting point is 00:35:05 like we were the Rocky Predator people yeah that's where we met him Happy Gilmore and then arrested. He did that run on arrested. The rest of the moment. So he's, yeah, he was fantastic,
Starting point is 00:35:16 man. So like I said, we, we talked about him a great deal. Probably always keep talking about him because he's done so much. And what's so healthy, so I hope it wasn't anything.
Starting point is 00:35:25 I know. He said he passed in his sleep, which is, I guess, Rok had said it's a good way, you know, that's a good way to go. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:35:31 didn't seem like he was by battling illness or not. He was out there kind of having a conversation. So who knows. But again, way too. Way too young, Carl Weathers, rest in peace, to the great Apollo. Janaya Walton has joined the cast of Marvel Studios' Daredebel Born Again series,
Starting point is 00:35:47 which is currently in production in New York. Walton has joined the cast as a journalist character and has ties with someone from the original Daredevil series, but they don't go as far as to say who. Speculation has quickly arisen that she's the daughter or granddaughter of Ben Urrick, who appeared in the first season, was killed by Kingpin. The casting comes as set photos and video are popping all over social media and show off not just good looks at the new one much more Red Soot, but also look at Wilson Bethel's bullseye in his new costume. The videos also shown plenty of glimpses of
Starting point is 00:36:20 Charlie Cox, Vincent Donofrio, Eldon Henson, and Deborah Ann Wolf at work sharing scenes together alongside laughs within takes. Sandrine, Holt Michael Gandalfini, and Margarita Leiva's co-star in the new season alongside John Brentall who returns as the Punisher. Here's some of the new pictures. So who's that? Is that? Bullseye. Daredewell and Bullseye? Uh-huh. Why does Daredevil look like his boobs?
Starting point is 00:36:43 He's standing. His pecks are popping out. Not great. Let's see. Is that all the pictures? That's all the ones that they have here. I'm excited for this series. If they stick the landing
Starting point is 00:36:54 with the Netflix side of it, how do you feel about it? I have a feeling, I tweeted something out a little while ago where I think we reached a point where fandoms, the most hardcore fandoms, turn on the things that they love.
Starting point is 00:37:05 Yeah, you said with the last week. Yeah. And now to see it with this. Everyone wanted Netflix dare double. They hated that Disney didn't acknowledge it. They hated that they're being foggy and Karen weren't going to be in it. Netflix, Disney does, or MCU does the pause. They said, yeah, we got to go back and start over.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Netflix stuff has added to Disney Plus. It's all canon. And now these costumes show are like, Jesus, Christ, they ruined the costume. This is where can't he put a double D on his chest? Bullseye looks like shit. Like, you got what you wanted. You got what you wanted. Like, you got all the actors back.
Starting point is 00:37:37 You got all the characters back. They're doing it in the Netflix style. But couldn't the argument be made? But the bulls-like costume, it's a year... But wait, couldn't the argument also be made that there are still, because we always pick out the people who are yelling. I also saw a lot of people who were saying
Starting point is 00:37:49 that they liked the stuff that they saw. Couldn't you also say the narrative is that people love it? I, maybe the negativity is what gets spread more on Twitter. Right. But I just saw the constant pitch. Anytime that picture popped up, someone was like, how hard would have been
Starting point is 00:38:03 to put a white bullseye on his chest? Well, you know, when Daredeville first started the Netflix show he was in black you know under armor it was his prototype suit the last time we met saw bull's eye he was in a hospital bed so this is his first suit you know he loved in the storyline but he loved the dare to
Starting point is 00:38:19 love if he loved the costume so he's going to make his own I'm sure seven episodes in someone's going to make him a costume that's more blue with the white thing but it's like watching these fans turn on the things that they love is insane the costume stuff for me like here's the difference when we talk about like the video game stuff
Starting point is 00:38:35 yeah because the video game thing to me with the suicide squad, even though, like you said, because I, look, I'm not going to pretend that I follow it as much, because I don't know. I know that the Arkham games are very popular. I know that, and I know that the game is called Suicide Squad kills the Justice League, right? So they tells you kind of what it is. But listen into a lot of the comments, people lost their minds about what they did and maybe kind of changing up different story points and what the concerns were. I do understand where people would get to the concerns of, look, they're just the story itself. They're just kind of going against different things,
Starting point is 00:39:04 and you can have problems with the story, right? You can have problem. You're like, the costume, the costume to me with this is that, well, why don't you watch it first? Because if you watch, because people aren't going to give a crap about the costume if the show's awesome. You're just not going to, like, I don't love the costume, but the show's awesome. But if the story sucks, and they're like, no, I didn't buy that game. This is what happened to suicide squad. I didn't buy the game. I didn't like the story.
Starting point is 00:39:27 I wasn't interested in the story. Don't like the way, the things that I saw. Don't want to, I don't have any interest in spending money on that. I get it. I understand it. But this, this is like, wait, before you can't. can't judge costumes. Like there was one, the one thing that they did do in this, I thought it was beneficial, and actually I think helped the franchise was, remember when Sonic came out?
Starting point is 00:39:44 People hated that look of Sonic. I sure did. They hated it. And the teeth and everything, too, and they complained so much about it. They changed it, and I think it helped the movie. I think it helped. Ridiculous amount of money. Are they making the third one right now? Yeah. Yeah. So there are times, if you listen, and you don't have any idea what's going on in wrestling right now, do you? I know. This is crazy if you do know, because it's goes to show how they're marketing brilliantly with this, but go ahead. I know Vince McMahon is a dirtbag. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:40:12 But outside of the story. And I know there's something about Cody finishing his story and the rock coming in. I heard whatever's happening is not good for the rock, his PR. And I don't know if it's a shoot or what. I love that you know that from Shumato. Yeah, that's hilarious. So I don't know if it's a, not a shoot, but what's the other
Starting point is 00:40:28 term? Work. A work. I don't know if it's that or if he really kind of overstepped. Because, because I will say this, seeing what he did with D.C., He overplayed who he is. 100%. And Roque and I talked about it, but here's the difference, though.
Starting point is 00:40:41 The fact that you know any of that is showing that if they, but this is my point with the sonic stuff. If the WWE uses this, because the WWE is in a very different situation than movies are, because they can use it as a work. Yeah. They can, even if, as they say, you basically worked yourself into a shoot,
Starting point is 00:41:02 well, you started with a shoot and turned it into a work. and that is what I think that they're going to do in the way that Sonic was like, well, we go to listen to the fans, this is ridiculous, they hate it, we need to make money on this thing, and they changed it. They spent money on, they changed it, and it worked. I think that WWE's going to do the same thing. I think they're going to wind up turning rock heel,
Starting point is 00:41:20 and I think it'll work wonders for them, and I think it'll be huge business, and I think Cody will wind up wrestling and finishing his story because they are allowed, they can switch and do that. Like movies and stuff can't do that, but story points, understand saying wait a minute what do you what do you I don't know this interests me now and people
Starting point is 00:41:39 who are you to see let's let's see what what they give you is what that would you know a lot of times the everything is awesome crew will say that just take what they give you that's what everything is awesome yeah you can wait you can wait and see and then if you don't like the story you're allowed to say that well I just accept it I I know that you know it would have been maybe it would have been better if they would have done this way but but but I just love everything they gave me and it's like I'm never going to do that yeah um but a costume ain't kind of make me go,
Starting point is 00:42:07 oh, I'm not going to watch that now. I'm curious to see what they're going to do with the Netflix side of it. Yeah, I think everything that you've seen lines up with what Netflix has done. Like in the same tone.
Starting point is 00:42:18 This costume's a little bit brighter, but with color correctional lighting, I'm sure it'll be toned down a little bit. I'm sure Bullseye will get another costume eventually that's more superheroy, comic booky. That's it. That's it.
Starting point is 00:42:31 It's like, but to see it. I was like, oh, my God. Look what they did do our, boy, look how they did our boy so wrong. I'm like, and I don't know why on my Twitter feed these people are popping up because I don't follow them.
Starting point is 00:42:44 I don't retweet stuff that they do. So it's like in the algorithm that pops like, why? I don't follow them. So why is that on my wall? Because you can't survive without complaining about these people. But if I'm not like the one person we talked about before the show started, the person that's not the one, the other one that started the conversation, he pops up daily to my thing. I'm like, I don't follow him.
Starting point is 00:43:06 I block people that do follow him because I don't want that in my feed, that toxicity. But every, like, once a week, once every other two weeks, his big throttle pop up. I'm like, why is it here? Right. So, like, I don't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Yeah. Who knows? Listen. Overall, this is, I think that I like where they're going with Daredevil. I'm excited for it. I'm excited to see how they're going to actually play this. And I really want to see how the new direction of the MCU is going to work. But speaking of Bullseye, let's talk about Blue Chew. This episode is sponsored
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Starting point is 00:45:32 or maybe you'll want to thank me. Anyway, let's get to the next one. We just had Michael Rosenbaum on Katie Sackoff's show, blah, blah, blah. I'm talking about inside you, and the stuff that he gets out of his guests, great, and well, that just happened again. So this is from Dark Horizons covering Michael's show. Marvel Studios Eternals in late 2021 marked the beginning of the downturn for the company
Starting point is 00:45:56 as a spiral that it has yet to break out of. The studio had its share of misfires before, such as the second Iron Man, that's not true, made a lot of money, and Thor films, but it also made a lot of money. So that's actually not true of misfires. You might not critically love that, but that's actually not accurate. Reviews were really harsh, despite the presence of an Oscar-winning filmmaker, Chloe Zhao, and a well-like cast.
Starting point is 00:46:18 The film also saw bad box office by Marvel Standards, taking in just $402 million worldwide. The criticism of the film was rough, and according to one of its stars, it really impacted the cast. Speaking on a recent episode, Michael Rosamombs podcast, actor Kamal Njani talked about his experience and how hard it was to promote the film after the reviews hammered it. He said the reviews were bad and I was too aware of it. I was reading every review and checking too much.
Starting point is 00:46:44 It was really, really hard because Marvel thought that movie was going to be really well reviewed. So they lifted the embargo early and put in some fancy movies festivals. They sent us on a big global tour to promote the movie right as the embargo lifted. I think there was some weird soup in the atmosphere. for why that movie got slammed so much, and I think not much of it has to do with the actual quality of the movie. It was really hard, and when I thought it was unfair to me and unfair to my wife, Emily, I couldn't approach my work this way anymore. Some shit has to change, so I started counseling. I still talked to my therapist about that. Emily says that I do have trauma from it. We actually just got dinner with somebody else from that movie, and we were like, that was tough, wasn't it? And he's like, yeah, it was really tough. And I think we all went through something similar.
Starting point is 00:47:25 While there's been murmurings of a sequel since release, there's been no indication of the studio moving towards one even the world shifting events of the film seem to have been largely ignored in subsequent MCU entries the Marvels has largely eclipsed Eternals as the biggest flop of the MCU of late all right so first I don't know if I've talked to you about I'm sure maybe in passing we've talked about about the what did you think about the Eternals well the main thing I did love about it was the fact that they shot it on location and Chloe Zhao really made a point she's like I gotta shoot this on location so it looks
Starting point is 00:47:56 beautiful I think there's the colors off to me, it's so muted and dull and to be such a vibrant movie and the colors of the cast and the costumes and everything, I was like, that was a weird choice. I was like, because when you watch it and you're like, why is this looked just so, everything's so blah. But I watched it again, I'd say maybe four or five
Starting point is 00:48:12 months ago, and I don't know a problem with it. I liked it. I have to watch it again. There's a lot. There's a lot of choices in the film I don't understand. Like, Camille's whole point in his character, he's like, yeah, now I'm not going to go fight the bad guys at the end. You guys have fun. It just leaves.
Starting point is 00:48:28 So certain things like that, I thought, was it Rao or Crowe, the main villain that's Bill Scars, guards? You're like, you didn't need this. You have Echorus, Robert Richard Madden is their bad guy. He's your bad guy. You don't have this extra thing killing people. That was all like, why is this here? But I think there was a, he made a good point. He said there was something in the air.
Starting point is 00:48:50 I feel that was kind of the turn of Marvel. Like, all right, these are slowly, it didn't have the, the, magic that everyone else yeah I liked I like the movie I do want to see it again I think there are far worse movies in the Marvel oh yeah than this and like 100% and I don't know
Starting point is 00:49:11 and I assume it was Garth that was writing that I don't know when he was saying that they've had his misfires now Iron Man 2 is clearly when it comes to misfires as far as reviewed goes I think he means like maybe on people's like rankings maybe but misfires to me means I like to both
Starting point is 00:49:25 critically not well and box office now well because both those movies and so did thor dark world yeah when you compare thor dark world to some of these other movies and marvels were making over the last two or three years to me significantly better i remember i went and saw um when i went and watched love and thunder with winston i was like i said that the dark world is so much better than this and he was like you're crazy and i was like i don't think so i don't know if i'll ever watch love and thunder ever again it's i don't have to either because i don't know it is rough that movie is rough to me, like, Eternals, I actually would get excited to go see it again.
Starting point is 00:50:03 But one of the things that I will say, and it's like, it's too hard, it's too, I guess, easy and hard to understand where he's coming from, right? Because, like, the first part of it is you're joining a movie like this and you're joining a franchise like this. When you go into it, I guess when you go, well, Marvel, everybody, when he signed on, everybody loves Marvel, this is going to be great. This is going to be big movies, it's going to be big for my career. But the flip side to that is, because of what you were just talking about before. for with fandom, you gotta be prepared at every turn that they can flip on you like that. They don't like the movie? So it's tough.
Starting point is 00:50:38 His was especially weird because I could totally, you know, you're part of the Marvel thing. And you see it happening with the girls in Madam Webb now. We're like, wait a minute, we're not part of the MCU? We're part of this? Well, what's going on here? But like, remember with that, he was like, they went on and he got like ridiculous jack shape. And he's so great for that. for the movie, it didn't do anything.
Starting point is 00:51:01 We went into the movie, and someone made a good point that, like, he did this to become this great shape, and he's doing finger guns the whole movie with his clothes on. Like, okay, you were part of the Marvel machine. Did you want to get involved with what Evans and Hemsworth and them did? But, like, theirs were integral to the character. Well, they probably thought he was going to have a lot. I mean, you could have Chloe Zhao, who's like this. It just seemed like.
Starting point is 00:51:18 It just seemed like Richard Madden wasn't doing it, and all these other guys in the cast were not, like, beefing up. So it was a weird, like, type people that way. And that was your into market. the film and then you go to the film and you're like, you're the kind of comedic relief of this film and you're doing Bollywood numbers and so it's a weird
Starting point is 00:51:36 it was just a weird like okay, what's going on here? Yeah. It was a weird, yeah. But the film itself is not a bad film. I think it's a beautiful film. I think it's one of the most beautiful MCU shot films. I'm, I do want to go back
Starting point is 00:51:52 and watch it again. It's one of the few, like there are certain ones that the Marvel over the last couple years that I don't really care to watch again that I don't really, I'm not excited to watch again but this one I want to, I do want to watch again because I'm curious because I enjoyed it when I saw it in the theater and I'm curious if I'm going to like it again
Starting point is 00:52:10 or if I'm going to feel the same like, hey, it's not that great. I don't know. Anyway, what do you guys think? Throw your comments in there. How do you feel about his comments? About as far as, you know, I can understand that. He's excited to be in a Marvel movie and then the reviews come out.
Starting point is 00:52:28 Marvel's excited about it. Nobody likes it. At least they got, I shouldn't say nobody, but I'm one of the people who does. But the majority of people seem to be hammering it. And it was run, it was during that period where Marvel did seem like they were like impervious to pain.
Starting point is 00:52:43 And then they got kind of knocked. Now thinking about it, I'm curious because if you would have said, you know, I remember before pre-Guardians, I was just like, Guardians, man, I'm a comic junkie.
Starting point is 00:52:54 And I couldn't tell you a run that I read of that comic that's going to be great. and they turned them into household names. So maybe... That's probably what they thought. Where they were thinking, like... Because I remember new gods and new Genesis and all this, and I'm just like...
Starting point is 00:53:04 Or with these... The Eternals, I'm like, all right, maybe they're going to pull the guardians and we're going to fall in love with these characters, and it didn't hit. It just didn't. And then, last thing, and you brought up Madame Webb,
Starting point is 00:53:14 as we call her, Madame Webb. Not good news for Madame Webb. They are doing a... There's a screening. I'm going to see it. I'm going to see it on Monday. Oh, I think, oh, you didn't see it. You see it?
Starting point is 00:53:25 No, no. And even if I did see it, I wouldn't be able to talk about it because the social embargo drops, I believe, that night. The review. Yeah. The review embargo drops on Tuesday morning. The movie comes out on Wednesday. That's never good.
Starting point is 00:53:39 That's not a good sign. And that's been recently, there's another movie. I think Aquaman was another one. The review embargo dropped right before. Yeah, it's actually fun, though. Well, what I'll say about that movie now, even though I didn't love it. I actually didn't like it at all. I give that movie a lot of credit.
Starting point is 00:53:56 that movie kept fighting. That movie has already made like $450, $500 million. That movie kept fighting. So, you can't say that that movie was a disaster. It wasn't. They fought and they fought and they fought and they fought and they made, they got money back in the bank, whether it was a break-even, just lost a little bit,
Starting point is 00:54:12 whatever it was. It wasn't the disaster. It could have been. No, it wasn't the Marbles. No. There's stuff I didn't like in it and there's stuff I loved. Yeah. What do you think about, Madam Webb,
Starting point is 00:54:24 is there any world where this movie makes me? money or is it going to eat it? I don't know what Marvel's doing with or Sony's doing with it. I just, I'm like... What's the percentage? Give me a percentage. What's the percentage that the critics could actually like this movie? What's the percentage of the critics could actually like this movie?
Starting point is 00:54:45 There's those critics in our circle that love everything and they're going to be find something great about it. I saw one scene. It was like, as Adam Scott's character, who's supposed to be, I think, Ben Parker, holding a fortune cook. And they're like, so help me God, if he gets with great power comes, great responsibility out of that fortune cookie. But you hear that and you're like, that doesn't, that makes sense. It's a Sony Spider-Man film.
Starting point is 00:55:08 That 100% tracks that that would happen. Well, he was supposed to make. But I didn't see Morvious. Maybe he was supposed to be Ben Parker at one point. He was not Ben Parker anymore? I think they probably changed it because they were supposed to take place in the early 90s and then they reshot it because they messed up a lot of the references. And then there was one point it was supposed to be Andrew Garfield. At one point, it was supposed to be Tom Holland.
Starting point is 00:55:27 At one point, they said, let's not just do this at all. And then the director said nothing. This doesn't connect to anything. It's a standalone thing. It's like, it's not looking good. But that was what Morbius was, because originally he walked by the Spider-Man mural. That was supposed to tie in, and then that's mural scene is never in the film. And then Michael Keaton shows up at the end for no reason at all.
Starting point is 00:55:45 It's ridiculous. So let me ask you a question. Do you think, is there any world where critics are going to be over 50% with the Rotten Tomato score? What do you think? Is there any chance that it's over 50%? No. Any chance that it's over 30%.
Starting point is 00:55:59 I'll go 29. You think 29%? I don't know. I don't even know how that works. So I don't think you're wrong. So if you said it... Who's directing this? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:56:09 I'm going to say it lands at 34%. And I'll say 29%. Yeah, I don't even know who's directing this thing. And it seems like Dakota Johnson, anytime she does press for this movie, she's like... Like, not bashing. S.J. Clarkson. What?
Starting point is 00:56:23 The director, I guess. Yeah. S.J. I don't know who that is. British television director. Okay. I don't know who she is. Yeah, this is, I don't, I think we're in trouble here.
Starting point is 00:56:31 I think this movie's going to be in trouble. Maybe, look, I'm wrong. I'm past the point in my life where I go to watch stuff because they're going to be train wrecks. Right. I never, okay, here's the thing. You do. I'm sorry, you know, and I've said this before, and I wish I could say it louder. I think if everyone, anyone who's going to be a critic of a movie.
Starting point is 00:56:49 Yeah. Should have to work on a film for one day. Just one day. I've done it. Because I know, yeah. But it's like with the, I think the same. thing with if you want to eat in a restaurant you have to work restaurant service one night if you want to shop in a store you got to work retail one day during Christmas
Starting point is 00:57:05 like you get a feeling for how tough these movies are to make I think I think a lot of people you know so to see critics and some of these critics that are out there right now there's one guy we'll talk about later but like he'll bash if he doesn't like movie he bashed it he'll bash it he'll bash it for a month and it's just like that doesn't do anything you didn't like the movie well it does it puts money in his banking out but it doesn't do anything like for like it doesn't help it doesn't do anything and some that might want to see the movie when it comes on videos like they'll pop up to see that it's like oh this guy is still bashing it now i didn't even going to watch it at home but it's like
Starting point is 00:57:33 you know watch the movie make the make your mind up for yourself like sure well look here's the only thing now that was part one was whether or not it was going to do well any chance is going to do well critically now money wise its only competition at valentine's day weekend is bob marley one love Oh. Then, and then, then, the following week on the 21st, and even, excuse me, 23rd, Ordinary Angels is the only other one made. So it has nothing. It's got no competition really until Dune comes out.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Do you feel, yeah. Do you ever get to the point now where you're like, you see a trailer so much, you're like, I don't want to see this movie? Because they, they play the trailer and hit you with that. Like that Bob Marley trailer, I've seen that so many damn. I'm just such a Bob Marr. I'm actually seeing it tonight. The first trailer I saw it as like, this looks great, but I see it so much now.
Starting point is 00:58:29 And I saw it with Argyll, too. I'm like, oh, my guess, shut up with this trailer. And it's not the studio's fault. It's the theaters that keep playing it, but you're like, holy crap. Yeah, that doesn't, not to me as much. Plus, the fact, I'm a big Bob Marley guy. You're a big Marley guy? Yeah, so like, I'm actually going to see that today.
Starting point is 00:58:44 Oh? Yeah, so I'm actually, it was my number nine most anticipated for the show. Really? Well, when I first moved to L.A. I read a script. Winkleman gave it to me. And he's like, check it out, man, Bob Marley's script. And it never happened.
Starting point is 00:58:56 Was it this script? I don't think. If it did, it was a hundred different iterations. But I love Kingsley Benedere. And I think that this is going to be a really good performance by him. I hope the movie sticks. It's what was supposed to come out in January, which makes me nervous. But then he moved to the February.
Starting point is 00:59:16 That's a good Valentine's Day movie. But Bob Marley, who wins? Bob Marley or Madam Webb? If Bob Marley beats Madam Webb, the Madam Webb has no chance to make money at all past week two. I think Bob Marley's more of a Valentine's Day movie that weekend.
Starting point is 00:59:31 It's a more, you know. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's a more... But it's also a good time to put it out from Bob Marley, Black History Month, and he's such a prominent figure in general. Yeah. So, I mean, I'll be honest.
Starting point is 00:59:46 And also, I hope Bob Marley does win because just being a Bob Marley guy. but if Madam Webb doesn't beat Bob Marley, it's over. Like, yeah, if it's, and I don't know if anybody's going to go out and see that movie for Valentine's Day. I don't know. Do you guys have any interest? Let me ask you this question. Put this in the comments.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Is anyone going to see Madam Webb? I'm just curious. And now she is Madam Webb, right? Dakota Johnson? I think so, yeah. I'm just used to the old lady. It's an old lady in the Spider-Man. She'll get old eventually.
Starting point is 01:00:18 take a while. She's only in her 30s. Anyway, thanks for joining us here today, guys. I appreciate it. Make sure you comment to everything that we talked about here today when I want you to be part of it. Hit that button, man.
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