The Kristian Harloff Show - Why Is THE JOKER 2 Box Office SHRINKING? Will It Bounce BACK?

Episode Date: September 16, 2024

What is happening with Joker 2? Once projected to open with $150+ million, early reviews have caused that number to drop. Can Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga still make Joker: Folie à Deux the billion-dollar hit everyone expected, or will the musical angle hurt its chances? Join Kristian Harloff as he reacts to the latest box office predictions and what it means for DC Comics' iconic villain. In this episode, we also discuss Beetlejuice 2, which is currently taking the box office by storm. How is Tim Burton's sequel shaping up, and will Michael Keaton and Winona Ryder return to cement another cult classic? Plus, Gladiator 2 updates, where Denzel Washington shares details on his NY accent for the film. And, in surprising news, did you know James McAvoy was almost cast in Harry Potter? Tune in for all this and more on this live episode of The Kristian Harloff Show with special guest Rocha! #joker #dc #joker2 #thejoker #thejoker2 #sequel #gladiator 2 #joker2 #joker #dccomics #joker2trailer #ladygaga #harleyquinn #joaquinphoenix #joker2reactions #dc #arthurfleck #folieadeux #toddphillips #beetlejuice2 #michaelkeaton #winonaryder #timBurton #gladiator2 #denzelwashington #jamesmcavoy #harrypotter #boxoffice #beetlejuice2trailer #gladiatorsequel #jokerboxoffice OUR SPONSORS AG1: Try AG1 and get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase at http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING. That's a $48 value for FREE if you go to drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING JOYMODE: http://www.tryjoymode.com CODE BIG THING BETTERHELP: Http://www.betterhelp.com/bigthing BILT: http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING

The Joker, too, is supposed to be one of the most highly anticipated movies. The reviews come out. And now the box office that was slated for $150 million is dwindling. Why is that? Well, we'll discuss that and a lot more on the live episode of the Christian Harlov Show here today with me and John Roker. Let's do it, everybody. Happy Monday. Welcome back to the show.

Everybody, it is Monday. I hope everybody had a wonderful, wonderful weekend. and we are excited to be back. There are a lot of stories that we're going to cover here today. And thanks for everybody who are joining us live. And someone who always joins me live on Mondays is, well, John Rokud. How you doing there, Roka?

Hey, man. What a weekend. NFL back, college football back again. Didn't get a chance to see too many movies, but how is your weekend? I mean, minus the fact. I mean, look, the Yankees are playing good right now. So I'll give me that.

The Seminoles, not so much. Oh, my God. Yep. And the Giants not so much. So you guys were able to beat us by three. So good for you. Good luck in the rest of the season. Anyway, so there's a lot.

But we got a lot to talk about it. There's tons of it. But before we do, and I'm sure you got a really weird text from Winston on Friday with him bragging. You're like, what are you bragging about? Right. So what happened was that we, as we said, you know, now we've been going live and you've been the king of these questions for so long because you've been doing it with me for a song, right? And then last week we debut it. And, of course, who's the first champion we ever have of all the questions?

You with 43. Roxy has to overtake in. Roxy did 46. So Winston said, get out of my way and did 106 questions on Friday. So. So, but, however, people like you a lot more than you think. Because we didn't, this is, we broke a record here today. Because before we even started, John, sitting right now, we have 34 questions sitting in.

Wow. Right off the bat. So there's a shot that you could beat Winston. by the time that we finish this up, but we'll see. Anyway, so we do have tons of stuff to talk about. And the first was the thing that I noticed over the weekend was this, I saw that story

and it came out last week, but I said, we got to talk about this because this is big. You and I both thought that this movie was going to hit a billion dollars or close to it. A lot of people have been talking about it. The box office had a tracking and being a beast, and the early box office tracking projections for the Todd Phillips directed sequel, Joker Folly Adieu,

are being revised downwards. Just two weeks ago, wild estimates were being thrown about that the film could debut domestically to as high as 120 to to 150 million opening weekend. We discussed it as much on this very show. Yeah. Others were more restrained, but 100 million plus start for the film to overtake the 96.2 million debut of the original seemed likely. Then, the film debuted at the Venice Film Festival to mix reviews, and though critical aggregate scores were almost on par with the original. Now, with three weeks to go, the film has now appeared on short-term tracking services, and that opening

weekend estimate has been revised downward to a start of somewhere over 70 million. If it does hit that, it would be the seventh highest opening for a movie at all time at the October domestic box office. The studio has also received praise from marketing executives that the film is also being sold as a Joker movie and hiding its musical elements. The film is reportedly attracting the strongest with men, especially over 25, followed by women. Over 25. Pre-sales are said to be big enough that some exhibitors are predicting a 90 million start. So, Johnny, hear all of that. What say you on that?

Yeah, it's a curious situation. I wonder if maybe, you know, people have seen the trailers and they're not 100% on board. People are not maybe as excited that it's going the musical route. I also think we might just be exhausted, dude. Like, honestly, like, we might be so exhausted from all the real life drama in our lives and in our worlds. Of course, we had a sample of that over the weekend, that like the last place people want to run and go to is a film that is going to be a hugely emotional commentary on the idea of madness and how it can affect our society and the toxicity of manhood, all these

things that the Joker is inherently baked into the Joker with the approach Todd Phillips is taken. So I wonder if people are just like, you know what, I want to go and just enjoy myself because I was looking right now with the top 10 movies of the of the box office in 2024 inside out to Deadpool Wolverine Despigable Me 4 Doom Part 2, Godzilla Kong the new empire Kung Fu Panda, Bad Boys, Rider, Die, King of Planet

Apes Twisters, Alien Romulus. Romulus is the darkest of the 10. Dark to. Dun 2. Dun 2. I mean, yeah, but that's also inspirational because you're looking at a hero who's hopefully going to bring the people together and whatever. But yes, there is certainly darkness to it, but not like with Joker. That's a topical

comment. I just wonder if maybe people like, I'm not feeling this right now. I don't know. There might be something to that, but I mean, you know, it, I think that there's also the fact that the musical thing has been coming out there there has been more, more articles for it. Maybe the comic book stuff is part of it also. I am, I am very excited for this movie.

I still want to see it. I still think this movie is going to overperform because I can't imagine that that festival has so much impact on the regular person. I just can't, I just can't fathom it that. someone who wanted to see it. It's like, oh, you know, the hootie-tooties over at the film festival said I shouldn't see it. So I'm out. I just, I don't buy it. So what do you think is that? I honestly really don't know. I think it might come down to the fact that it is maybe one of the other comic book thing, another superhero thing. It's October. I don't know. Maybe I was going to see it, but I don't really care.

Maybe they read something. Maybe the musical aspect, they didn't know beforehand, but now that the fact that the musical did come in. Because there's a lot of people who don't pay attention to the news. There's like, oh, Joe Gatoo's coming out. And then they see one article that says, oh, in the musical aspect, it's a musical, I'm out. You know? And, I mean, they literally are getting praised for hiding the fact that it's a musical. You know, so it's, that could be it. I don't know.

But what I'm hoping for is that, A, that it's a good movie. And B, that if it is, then people are like, oh, the musical stuff worked well because, as they said, the first movie didn't do critical praise. So I don't know. I think that the fact that it's diminishing would be a little head scratching, but it's still, like, even if it hits 70 million, it's still a pretty big weekend. It's just not going to be that they want it to be a phenomenon like the first one was.

Yeah, but I, yeah, but it's not, it's, that first one came at the right time, right? Like we were in that place of like superhero crescendo, right? And so the idea of a new approach to Joker. And I'd love to know if this, these, numbers are being compared to the same, like the same people take the numbers from two weeks ago, and now their numbers are, they went again and their numbers are lower two weeks later. That's what I'd like to know. Or these were just industry estimates two weeks ago, and now they've actually done some tracking,

and now the tracking is like lower. So the industry estimates were what they were thinking, but the tracking is showing you what's actually happening and has been happening throughout. I wonder when you look at the numbers you're getting now. But yeah, I mean, it's, they're trying to catch lightning at a bottle again. And you know this. Like, you can't make something viral by making it viral, right? You've got a, it's got to catch on however it catches on.

I mean, who saw the, who saw the Hawk to a girl coming and look how explosive that has become? Somebody did. That's what you went viral. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I've seen five million conversations with girls at bars on, on, you know, on mics and they never, and they say similar stuff. Hey, man, if she started a trend, God bless her. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying.

Nobody saw that comment, so you never know. Well, either way, it's going to be interesting. I do think that they might have. One more thing, Christian. They're not out there promoting it, right? Like, but this is coming out like three weeks. Where's Gaga? Why isn't she out there doing more?

Where is Joaquin? Why aren't they out there like doing little things and promoting on social media? Like, there hasn't been that much promotion for the film from the stars themselves. And again, this comes out what? In three weeks? Three weeks. I think the heavy push will come soon, man. I think the heavy push will come soon.

Yeah, three weeks. I mean, because it's just the cycle goes so fast. I mean, you got Transformers 1 coming out, which is just absolutely magnificent. Who in the world would ever thought I would be saying those words? I'm telling you, man, I think it is, it might be next to 1986 Transformers. My favorite Transformers movie. I want to see it again. I don't know if I should wait to see it because I know Matt Sarah hasn't seen it yet,

and I told him to wait, and we referred to come out on digital so he and I could watch it and do one of our reactions. So I'm curious. and how that's going to play when that movie comes out, because that's a movie that not a lot of people were really pumped about after that first trailer and then maybe the opposite, because now there's been, the reviews for that have been off the charts.

It's got like 93% or something. It's one of the highest rated Transformers movies, like, ever. Rightfully so. And I wonder if that's like the opposite of what we're talking about here with the Joker, and more so to your point earlier, that it's more of like a happy, not happy necessarily,

but you know what i mean more a little more uplifting than say joker uh joker too so maybe there's some merit to that i don't know yeah and maybe people didn't want to see what the joker to begin with you know what i'm saying maybe there's some people that just kind of uh yeah i know i think the musical thing was ambitious man i think it was ambitious i think because musicals in general are not i mean i understand what they're going for and the idea that they're that it's going to be mental and all this stuff too but musical's still a musical and they don't play right now they just don't play you and i both love Westside Story, the remake, thought it was one of the Spielberg's best,

and it ate a pile of garbage. I mean, it ate it. And that movie is fantastic, and just aided. No, we care. It's crazy to say this about a film that made a billion dollars, but the sequel itself may live on word of mouth. You know, because like you said, the critics came out, and they had their opinions, but it's going to be people going to see this opening weekend and saying, oh, this is actually really good,

and people need to go and see it. Forget the critics, blah, blah, blah. And so that may be what drives this thing to, a higher box office than they're predicting you know someone mentioned wanka was a success yeah but they hid that big time they hid that that was a musical like nobody knew it was a musical i i actually that's a movie and when somebody asked those questions usually we know we got our our questions at the end of the show someone always says something along what's a movie you thought you weren't gonna like or a movie that maybe at the first glance you saw and you didn't dig it and then you went

out liking it more it's probably that movie um when i first saw it's that's fine it the movie's fine um and then i watched it with my kids and I absolutely loved it and it just becomes it's one of those movies that can becomes more and more charming every time you watch it yeah well and it's because you can exist because there was a musical element to the original right she sure imagination so you're not really that upset that there's a musical aspect to wonka but with joker as you said it's a massive swing to do that with a character like this and harley quinn as well and you know and they're doing themselves no favors Todd phillips for that well we're not going to do the Harley when you're used to with the chewing and the sass and like why do you want to even say

anything but don't even say yeah don't say anything even if that's the case if you know i mean whether you that's your choice and that's the choice you made don't promote it let people find out about it when they're in the theater exactly exactly because even if it's great and it's a good choice yeah what people are going to hate it because it's not what they normally think right um anyway what do you guys think about all this put your comments in there obviously if you're in the live chat right now thank you so much um and and make your voice be heard. If you watch it on the replay, do it.

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here it is. So the new blade was almost like the raid? Well, though mostly known for his work on X-Men 97 and Netflix as The Witcher, the former title's ex-showrunner Bo de Mayo, also famously took a shot at writing Marvel Studios Trouble Blade film. That movie had been in development for years and has seen a half dozen writers come and go, including the lengths of Michael Green, Nick Palisado, Stacey Ossick Kufour, and Michael Starbury. At last report, Eric Pearson is pending the latest draft and the studio has seemed to finally come up with the script they're happy with. For a while there, though, they were appearing to be floundering. In new postings on X, DeMayo confirms that's the case and he's wondering why it has been so difficult for the studio to come up with a compelling premise.

He says, take a John Wick movie, give mobsters fangs, swap Keanu for Ali, hand him a sword, not a daughter who makes him fret over swinging the hero's name. Wick cost $20 million to make it. Add $10 million for vampire dark hold magic V of X. You have $30 to $40 million Marvel movie. I don't get why it's so hard. Studios broken. He adds that in his three months on the project, he wrote three drafts and a dozen outlines for it.

He then did a deep dive on X going into the best idea he came up with. My favorite was of the raid style treatment where Blade finds himself defending a rundown tenement of humans from Varney's vamp hordes until daylight. It took place over one night. Blaine leads from tenant Jericho Drum that Varney's attacking because the female tenant who blade sword of fancies

has been magically impregnated with Lilith by tenants who secretly dark old cultists that think 30 days of night meets Rosemary's baby Mahershal Ali and Mia Gauth remain attached to star in the film which is yet to announce a director following the exit of Jan Damage yada yada yada I'll tell you he

look you can say what you want about bow to mayo as far as everything the controversies and stuff he's going to is a totally different thing that we're talking about here right now. So he tweeted out a thing about Dr. Strange the other day and talked about that that stuff that they were working on and that take of what was going there was better, right? Yeah. The way that they were going to actually play that was better. This guy, again, he knows this world really well. I got to tell you, I love this 30, 40 million raid idea

of blade, just running around the joint, fighting people until the end. And, Yes, I mean, you're talking to us right now when you're like, hey, you don't need to spend $200 million. But this is the studio mindset of, no, no, no, it's a Marvel movie. You got to spend $150, $200 million. And they're like, no, you don't. Do we do the raid with Blade? And there you go. So maybe it was an executive thing.

But you hear this. And I don't know, what do you think? No, I love the idea of the raid style approach to Blade. That's such an awesome thing. I guess if you're caught up with wanting to, and this is the thing with Marvel, right? You're caught up with wanting to connect the character now to a shared universe and you introduce him at the end of Eternal's, at least the voice. And you go, okay, now we've got to adhere to that. And we've got to get John, well, John Snow involved, Kid Harrington involved in his character, Black Knight.

Okay, how are we going to make this work? How are we going to make this all out? Okay, we're bringing me a golf. All right, Marshall. Okay. How are we going to make sure? I can't break it. I can't break it.

All right, multiple people. All right, y'all take stabs at it. You all right. No, no, no, no. No, no, this really works. And at the end of the day, you're going to end up where you should have started, which is keep it simple, stupid, and just do something fun to introduce us back into the world of Blade. And then later, or at the post-credit scene, or down the road, connect him up into the larger universe and a story you want to tell. So to me, I think that's the approach here they got to take with Blade.

We all love Wesley Stubbs. Many of the fans who are going to watch this film, still rewatch the original Blade and Blade 2 and a little less Blade 2 and a little less Blade. Trinity, but they all rewatch it and have fun. The reaction to Blade, Wesley Snipes showing up and Deadpool Wolverine should tell you, there is just an excitement to see Blade back, stop overthinking it, do it really simply, and do it for a smaller budget, and let the people have fun with it, and then we'll worry about connecting it up into the larger MCU. So yeah, I love all these ideas, but let me say this, it's real easy to come up with an idea.

It's not so easy to come up with a script to support. Or to execute the idea. Oh, to execute that. 100%. Yeah, of course. But it doesn't change the fact that, like, look, like, as I said, when you're mentioning this kind of thing to me, you're going to get me, you're going to get me on board because it's like, oh, he's 100% right.

It's like you don't need to spend this kind of money, especially on a Blade movie. You didn't do it for the original. You could do this. You could dumb it down. And you can, not dumb it down. That's a stupid. That's not, it's simplified. You can actually make it better.

And actually, the reverse of dumbing it down, actually put more depth into the character and the idea of why he wants to do it and you could do something along those lines. It makes so much more sense to do it that way. And it says we've mentioned a thousand times over the A24 Terminator style version. You know, it's like I just, I really, really want to get, you know, like a studio executive on here to ask that question of like if you, because let's say, you know, if me and you, we own the rights to using, I don't know, any, Jurassic Jurassic World, right? Sure. So if we own the rights to that movie and we know that people are going to see a Jurassic World movie, we know. We know it.

Why are we spending $200 million on it? Why are we doing that? If we know that we can spend, you know, as I'm going to say, I come into the office at the day and say, John, listen, I'm going to spend, I think I want to spend $40 million on this movie. We're going to make the dinosaurs look pretty cool, but we're going to do it kind of more like horror style. And we're going to get one really good actor, pay them $5 million or whatever it is, you know,

an up and coming one, and then put all the really good actors who are up and coming who don't cost that much around them. But it's true and we'll spend the we'll spend a hundred million on on marketing on that one. So that's where a hundred that's where the the big or whatever or whatever the amount of marketing we spent it. We'll spend a good amount of money on marketing because it's Jurassic World. It needs the marketing. It seems to it's blade move.

It's what do you spend a $200 million on a blade move? You don't need to. It's a it's a gritty vampire film. You're putting pressure on the film. You're putting pressure on the film. By putting it at 200, you're like, Well, it better make a certain amount of money. And what was the big thing last week with Destin, Daniel Creighton?

He's coming in now to direct Spider-Man 4. But people have been clamoring for a Sean Chi sequel, right? But Shang Chi only made $420 million of a $200 million budget, $225 million budget. And I get it. It was during COVID. I understand that. But still, it's only $420 million. You know, Spider-Man No Way Home made over a billion during COVID as well.

So it was a matter of that situation. And so when you put, but if you had made Shang Chi for like 80 million and it made 400 million, you'd be rushing to do a sequel. And that's the situation that they find themselves in constantly with Marvel is they kind of, they do the budget so high that the film has to work so hard. Chung Chi's a great example because Shang Chi, you cut that, I mean, I bet you in the same way that Indiana Jones, is another example of the point I'm going to make here is that the third act is probably where the majority of the budget came from both of those movies.

Yeah. The third act where you didn't, oh, I mean, the third act in the Yenna Jones was ridiculous. How much money they spent on that. It was ridiculous how much money they spent. That is something that when you hear these comments of what Blake could be. And also, I think there's someone else who tweet me out about what's the dude's name Michael Waldron? Is that the, who wrote him? And he, something he's getting involved now.

People starting to turn on him a little bit now and saying that maybe he didn't really necessarily, I mean, not that he didn't write Loki, but the fact that maybe he was like a one-hit wonder because the other stuff he's been involved with hasn't been so good, so people aren't really excited about him doing things now. It's just amazing how it's how it really is how it goes down. You know, like people will turn on you real quick unless you got something else that, uh, that's going to deliver.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was watching TikTok over the weekend, and it was, um, it was Craig Ferguson interviewing Steve Gutenberg, the great Steve Guttenberg. Oh, he's the best. He's the best. Yeah, it's awesome. And you're the one that got me to follow him on, on Instagram.

He's great guy. I saw this interview on TikTok and he said, this is the deal you have to understand. And he said, Paul Newman taught in this lesson, five lessons of Hollywood. Who is Steve Gutenberg? Get me Steve Gutenberg. I got to have Steve. I got to get a young Steve Gutenberg. Get me someone like Steve Gutenberg a little bit older.

And then all the way back to who is Steve Gutenberg? That's the situation you deal with here in Hollywood. And Waldron is going through that now. Who is Michael Waldron? Oh, great. Get him. I needed someone like this. Oh, something like, who is Michael Waldron?

Waldron, why do we want them again? And so that's the cycle now. And it just goes way faster than it used to. It used to take years to get to the, who is this? And now it's like within a year or two. This is just so much stuff to go through, get past. So anyway, I ask you guys,

what do you think? Do you think that this is something that they're going to go away from? And maybe it was, the studio's getting their hands in it again and messing up because we keep hearing how Blade was falling apart. Maybe it shouldn't have. Maybe that's one of the main things. Maybe Blade shouldn't have fallen apart. And maybe that there's just too many

people meddling in the same way that Sony was meddling with the Spider-Man thing to make it not street level. So put your comments in there. Very, very curious to hear what y'all think about this because it's, yeah, it ain't going away. It's not going away. There's going to be a lot of talk here for sure. All right, well, let's get to the Emmys because John was texting me and he was like, he goes, I assume we're talking about the Emmys. And I said, oh yeah, I guess those were last night. So it was, you know, it was on last night. I saw that there was, I looked at some of the results, but I completely forgot at one

point my wife and I were watching. We watched episode one of the old man last night. Oh, nice. Season two. And then, and we actually, we finished up. Have you seen Arthur the King? Arthur the King? It's the Mark Wahlberg dog movie that came out.

Is that the Lion one? Dog. No, I've not seen that. Oh, dog, dog. No, I've not seen that one. Underrated film. And, and, dude, quite, Quite possibly might at the moment make my top 10 of the year.

What? Yeah. What you said to your mouth? Have you seen it? Have you seen the movie? I don't need to see it. Have you seen the movie? I think I've got it.

Do you know what happened? Do you know what the story is even about? Is it about Father Stu? See, you're going to argue with someone who you haven't even seen the film in the same way that if, you know, Transformers, I told you, if you weren't a Transformers fan, and I told you how good it was. And you said, oh, you're out of your mind. You haven't seen it.

You're going to compare Arthur the King to transform. The story is great. And I'm telling you, I saw the movie in March when it came out and the screening rather. Yeah, I saw screening of it. And then I kept telling my wife that when it comes out, she got us check it out. And she loved it. She loved it last night. I will say my 12-year-old was bored out of her skull.

Thank you. I love your 12-year-old. Yeah, you got a 12-year-old brain, so it makes sense. that you'd be upset I would love to have her review films with me I love her it's true yeah

I don't know if 12 years brain look at Friday show to prove that at the truth someone was farting the whole time I don't know I can't know what it's yeah someone was farting I don't know what was happening it was someone in the audience

and they kept reviews after me I don't know what they kept some of his farts going off left of right and I was laughing who's farting it's bullshit all right let's get to this thing here's here's the Emmys

and we got Emmys we got Emmy winners and there's lot here and the one thing that I will say is that a lot of the shows that I like won stuff, so that at least made me happy. The 76 Emmy Awards have wrapped up with FX's Shogun, the Bear Hacks, and Baby Rainier dominating the race. The first two also dominated the Creative Arts Awards last week. Shogun took the top prize of Best Drama along with wins for its lead actor and actress and direction, though missed in supporting categories to the Crown and the

morning show. I believe that I should have won and I don't know why I'm where was my men, where is my boat? On the comedy front, the bear had four wins for the male lead supporting actors and direction, but lost the top comedy series award to Hacks, which also won for best actors in writing. On the limited series, baby reindeer

ruled winning for limited series to acting awards. Doty Foster took best actress for True Detective Knight Country. Interesting. And another actor, who'd she go up against? It was against Bray Larson for Lessons and Chemistry Juneau for Fargo, Sophia Riccara, and Naomi Watts,

for feud. Wow. Okay, so best drama series, winner was Shogun. Winner for, again, Shogun and Best Actress in a drama, Best Actor and a Drama was, oh yeah, he was great. Hiroki, when that one, best supporting actress in a drama, Elizabeth

the Becky, she keeps winning. Best Supporting Actor in a Drama, Billy Cruttup, also keeps winning. Best Comedy Series Hacks, best actor in a comedy series, Gene Smart Hacked. Jeremy Allen White, the Bear for actor and comedy, best supporting actress in a comedy for the bear. Liza Kola Zias

And Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy Evan Musk Bach Rock, the Bear Okay, so yeah, there's a lot of stuff As far as Bear, Shogun, those seem to be the major winners here. Did you watch last night? I watched some of it last night, yeah.

I mean, there was a lot going on with the NFL as well and then the Indiana fever is I'm a Caitlin Clark fan, so I watched as much as I could have the Emmys last night. Yeah, like I said, I just looked at who won and I'm glad that Shogun one. I'm glad that I just finished Shogun. So it was like, yeah, because now I can say rightly deserved.

I didn't see baby reindeer, so I don't know if it deserved all that. What? I apologize. You want to talk about Arthur the King. Yes. You need to watch baby reindeer. Oh, because that's because it feels it's as uplifting as Arthur the King. I don't know about uplifting, but it's madness.

That's what I hurt. That's why I hurt. So I would have four is the one. But yeah, I mean, I think there were a lot of really well deserved victories last night. Certainly Shogun, you know, as I said last week, we were talking about it. I thought it was going to do well. I guess we were off because Succession, we talked that we was going to be going. Yeah, we were wrong.

We were wrong. It won everything last year when it was for, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And Succession will be up with the next Emmys, probably. No, no, Succession was already did all its Emmys. Oh, did it? It won everything. Yeah, it already won everything.

That's what that's, yeah, it already had finished up. And that's why I was like, when people were, hey, idiots. We can make mention, yeah, we kept mentioning that Succession would win. But shout out to Anna Soai and Hiroki Sonata. I was so happy to see them win for, for Shogun. And I was really happy for Lamarne Morris last night. I mean, no one thought he was going to win that Emmy, and he won it. And it was such a great speech.

And that was so fun to see. And of course, Lisa Colon-Zayas, who I tweeted out, I was very happy to see her win for the bear. I thought her episode was the best episode of the season after the first episode of season three. But a lot of people, the drama last night is hacks versus the bear because people think the bear is not a comedy. So it's a real drama. I disagree with that. The living people made fun of it at the beginning. The father and son there made fun of it at the beginning.

So yeah, I disagree with that. What do you think? I disagree. I think, yeah, I disagree. Bear is absolutely. It's a dramedy, for sure. It's a drama. It's a drama.

It is just as much dramatic moments as Hax. Hax has a lot of drama moments in it. They do. Yeah, yeah. You look at that out in response to somebody. Those two side kicks. The whole John Sina scene in the last thing with those two guys. I mean, it's completely comedy.

I don't know. There's, look, the Martian was not a comedy. There's no reason. There's no world where that's, have been anywhere near comedy, right? But you can absolutely say that the bear is comedy. Now it has more, it leans more on the serious drama side, but does they have comedic moments?

And could you classify it from those two guys alone, the two, those two guys who come in literally, just to lighten up the whole thing, to bring in comedy. Yeah, they bring in the whole thing is, they are, the comedy stuff, the stuff, now they leaned off at a little bit more. Cousin was way more comedic in the first season. Yeah.

And he started to get more serious and he's kind of like the more, you know, he's at a complete character arc. But like, so, but he's, he was there for common. The stuff that they're screaming and yelling at each other in the kitchen and the things that they say is meant for comedy. I think some people think comedy is like set up punchline. And, look, Hacks has funny moments. But as you said, Hax also has like a very toxic, co-dependent relationship at its center between Hannah Eindinder and Gene Smart. And they are, it's a super toxic relationship. She messes with her all the time.

she screws her over all the time. She messes with her personal life all the time. And the whole narrative in this past season was the fact that she sacrificed a happy, healthy relationship with a young woman who loved her in order to go back to work for Deborah and the toxicity of it all because she has mommy issues. And then by the end, you see that Deborah has messed with her entire staff and has disrespected, her old staff, had to deal with her relationship with her sister. And then what happens with Ava at the end and Deborah at the end is super dramatic.

So to me, this idea that it's just a straight up comedy like it's two broke girls is nonsense. So we ask more from our comedies, especially the ones that are going to win Emmys now. So to me, you can make a case that the bear has comedic moments throughout that could qualify it for a comedy. But it's more like human situational comedy. Like the stress is so high that you're laughing at the madness of it all. Right. So that's what I think when you look at it. So I hear the complaints, but I think it qualifies like you do.

This is funny. Ryan VegTech says, S&L. is a comedy and it has no funny moments. I snorted. That was good. Even less so with him, removing Chloe Trost, who I love from the new season. I'm sad she's gone that they removed her. She's great. Yeah, I thought it was on.

It doesn't come back until the end of the month, right? Yeah, end of the month with Maya Rudolph. Okay. Anyway, so curious what you guys think about all this stuff with the Emmys if you paid attention to it or not. I don't know what the ratings are going to be for these award shows. I still feel like every award, what? Probably not great.

I feel like every award show. What was it on last night? What channel? Fox. Stupid. Stupid. Put it on streaming. All these awards shows are going to stream.

Now, Oscars, all of it. Get it off of regular TV now. You can't complain about how ratings are low now and you keep putting it on, put it on streaming. You put it on streaming. You put it on streaming. Now, you know where it would do well? If it live streamed on Netflix,

I bet you did it. It would do significantly better than A.B. or any these network things is it no one cares on it if you have if it people would tune into it more um that's why uh sag awards did that two three years ago and they went to streaming and they've gotten better numbers streaming wise and they did when they were on t-n t yeah all the award shows needs to move off of network television it's a dated it's a very dated uh thing that doesn't work anymore and how come the ratings are going down because no cares no one watches network tv for for most things and they're going to you know watch them for some award show where people patting each other on the

Tell them how great everybody is. Nobody's, come on, come on, I didn't do that. Especially for the majority of people outside of the film industry or people who pay attention, like people are watching this show or you and I don't know most of the films. The TV, TV's a little bit different because TV people do know, because it's all,

because it's, that's, it reminds me of like baseball and football, man. Like, for the years, forever, baseball was the national pastime, forever. And then eventually football just overtook it. And I feel like that's what TV has done with movies. Wow. Because, you know, you couldn't even imagine movie stars were going to be on television, doing stuff. And now it makes more sense them to do it.

The people who normally would have those roles are going to replace by people who would be in movie stars because the movies are a crapshoot. The movies making money and movies are a crapshoot. And that's why do the big budget blockbuster sequels because there's too much of a risk in trying to do original big. things but you can make an original series yeah you know um yeah so it was funny because i thought

about my my point about well look at shogun and i didn't realize showgun was a remake of a television show from like the yeah with richard chamber yeah i was like hey wait a minute um which makes a lot of sense because it was the 80s show yeah it was an 80s show yeah very big 80s show because justin marks is the king of that man he know he top gun maverick show gun he's the king of the 80 stuff he was the guy that was involved with us with the Masters of Universe thing. And it would have been very smart. But makes sense. Anyway, all right, let's get to John, right?

Currently, you already beat your record from last week. You're at 45. And so we are going to see if, you know, Winston started making his big push while we got to the question as part of it. But right now, we are 45 and it is, we have a couple more stories and then we'll get to those questions. Let's get to this one. And it is the box office.

We cover the box office here every weekend, obviously on Mondays. Beetlejuice is still holding strong. It did it again. Tim Burton's Beetlejuice, Beatles, just held strong in its second weekend at the box office, easily remaining on top with a further 51.6 added to its coffers. The film fell just 54% in its sophomore run, bringing its 10-day domestic total to 188 million. Overseas, it took in another 28.7, but the film is struggling to find traction there. Its entire overseas gross being just 76.3 million so far.

The Speak Nuevo remake debuted in second with an estimated 11.5 domestically and 9.3 overseas. A very good result for a film that cost just 15. All right. That's our point, John. That's our point. And we'll get to that in just a second. The budget. It's a $15 million budget.

It's already made 20. Marvel's Deadpole Wolverine remained at number three in its eighth weekend with an estimated $5.2 million. It's now up a total of $1.3 billion worldwide with $620 million of domestic. Conservative documentary Matt Walsh's, AmI Racist, had a better-than-expected debut in fourth place with an estimated 4.8 million. That's a big number. With the help of strong business in conservative markets in the South, Midwest, and Mountain States,

it marks the Daily Wire's first theatrical launch. The Dennis Quaid-led Ronald Reagan biopic. Reagan was fifth with $3 million in its third weekend. The loser this weekend was Dave Batista's lead film, The Killers Game, which made just $2.6 million along with poor reviews. So all of this goes right back into what we were just talking about, right? Okay, okay. So let's talk with that about that Dave Batista thing.

Yeah, that is a movie that it feels like it should. I mean, look at the one that, what's the one that did, the Netflix one that was the like first blood that just came out? Oh, Rebel Ridge. Rebel Ridge. Right. Right. So, and it comes out on Netflix, right? Doesn't come out in the theater.

It doesn't try to get a theatrical run and says, let us, let us do our business here. like people talk about it here those are the types those movies live on streaming now and it's hard to make them pop in the theater so yeah dave batista is is running against you know that that's that's hard upstream there you know that's that is that is a hard uh thing to try to make work so then you go to the speak no evil blumhouse is i said it in the review they're genius they're the genius in how they do things they literally made a movie about a haunted pool and made money on it because they spent like four million dollars on it or something ridiculous and made money on it because they know how they did the thing we talked about spend nothing on it market the hell out of it result and you know in this and speak no did you see the movie with uh speak no abel no i did not see that so i thought it i i thought it was fine people really really loved it i thought it was fine um okay but i but i enjoyed watching it and i and i said you know this it's it keeps you on your toes and you said and Once again, it's a Blumhouse film.

You go, this is part of their machine. They keep doing this. And why aren't other people? It's not just horror. You can do this with other stories. And we just talked about this with Blade. This is the whole point. Why aren't other people picking up on this?

I don't understand. Well, I think it's all situational, isn't it? Because if you look at the Killers game, the Batista film, that was a $30 million budget on that. Why are you spending $30 million on a direct-d-d-d-d-d-type movie? Right. I don't understand. And you're right about this because, like, Rebel Ridge

gotten a lot of response from people, very, very positive. But you look at a lot of these action films that have come out that are just like Killers Game and Rebel Rage of the last few months. And they haven't done well, right? What was that one with the Scars Guard, the killboy or whatever the, what the hell is called? Nobody went to see that one. Even Monkey Man, which had like Dev Patel, had Jordan Peel behind it, didn't do well at the box office.

So you've got to pick and choose these action films really, really carefully now because people can wait three weeks and they're watching at home because it's not a big water cooler type of movie that they have to absolutely watch that weekend. So I just don't understand it. And I think this was a bad move by Dave because this is picking films that he did at the beginning of his career and he shouldn't be doing these films now at this stage in his career. Maybe there's an issue with money or whatever. But like I just don't understand doing a film like this.

Like aspire for something else. Aspire to be part of an ensemble and other things to keep building. Especially him. And I agree with you. We've had this conversation. I think I wasn't on the same page. but I've come around to it. I think out of the people that have him,

Hogan, The Rock, he's the best actor. 100%. I agree. I agree. By a mile. And it was that Shamelan movie

that he did that really made me realize that even more so. Like that's the kind of stuff. He did that. I want to see him do some more dramas. I want to see him do that stuff like that. He feels like, look, I don't know what this movie was, but he feel like he was kind of reverting back

to what he was trying to do is it an action movie is that what this yeah an action movie and basically the it's a funny little premise in that he is an assassin yeah and he finds out that he's got uh only so many months to live so he killed off yeah yeah yeah yeah and his doctor calls up it says oh we messed up you actually are going to live and you're healthy you're fine but no one but no one wants to turn off the um the assassin contract on him so eventually it's like a reverse john wick right but with tongue and cheek uh but it just yeah that's probably what they were going for they probably said do a John Wick, you know, type movie with Batista and it just didn't, is it, I mean, I don't know,

I haven't seen the film, so I don't know what the tone was. I don't know if it's one of those things. We're like, I wish this movie would have done better and it should have for the amount of money. That's possible also. But in Beetlejuice, we knew was it didn't have enough competition in the, in the big grand scheme of things. It's a, it's running off of super nostalgia, so it's going to, it's going to live there for quite a while. The other one, I didn't see, I mean, that documentary, the, am I racist thing? I haven't seen that. Did you see it? Did you see it? that? Of course not. I'm not going to see that. I don't even know what it is. Daily one.

Okay. And then Reagan was the other one that's still doing well. But speak no evil, Tim Burton, and what was the set? That was it. So yeah, Deadpool and Wolverine was the other one. Oh, Deadpole and Wolverine, which will continue to make money, which is hilarious because, you know, I'm going to do, I started

those rewatches. We did, I think we're going to move because people like it. We're going to probably move to two a week. And wow. Yeah, we're probably going to do Tuesday and Friday. Because we have, because my wife is actually I'm going to make her sit through the Batman all three hours of it. Well, she was because she kept trying to watch it. She's like, I can't, I can't finish this.

I was like, you know what? I'm going to make you watch it on. So we're going to watch that together. And then my friend Sam, who had never seen Logan before, she said, I think I saw Deadpool, some of it. I'm not sure. So we're going to watch all three of them. So what are the ones you're going to do?

Oh, you mean your reaction videos are doing well overall? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we did, we did the one with, We did Borderlands, which was Matt and I did, considering that movie, did decent. My wife and I did Trap, which, again, it's probably 9,000. And I was like, okay, that's pretty good for that movie. And then Logan is the one that's coming out with, oh, no, actually, Long Legs is coming out first.

My friend Tina this Friday. And then next week I'll probably do both Batman and Logan and then keep kind of moving. And then Sarah and I are going to do the new Crow. got help. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got that in the mix in my head as well. So we'll be doing that one too. Yeah, go ahead, John. We're going to get your wife to wake up a little bit at the beginning of these reactions. We've got to get you, you know, let's wake it up a little bit. If I was there directing, I'd have to wake up.

Well, I wouldn't listen to your direction because people want to replace me with her. People loved her. People loved her. That's because she's new. You know how this works, Christian. I'm telling you. But the stuff that she was saying inside of this. Oh, no, yeah. Her reactions inside were a lot of fun. I watched some of the eyes, the side eyes that she was giving me. But anyway, look, before we move on, John, tell people where can they find? Oh, yeah, you can always find me at the Roka says on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok,

but my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roka says there. A lot of stuff happening. We just dropped a bunch of stuff last week, and we're about to hit the ground running this week with Agatha all along, with the bingwin coming out, and all these is going on for the geek buddy. So we're going to be reviewing those doing our main show, of course. And then we've got to do some Jedi Way coming up tomorrow. Oh, no, actually Friday we'll do in Jedi Way. And then the hot mic, of course, later on this week.

And if you missed our hot mic from this past Friday, Jeff and I breaking down his beyond the Spider-verse controversial meltdown. And I think it's one you don't want to miss. We had a really interesting back and forth about it, all as friends, but also as colleagues in this business. And so I think that's one you guys to watch. We dropped it on Friday. If you haven't seen it, it's out there.

And, of course, the latest geek buddies episode as well. And all my stuff, my reactions. I did a reaction to X-Men Dark Phoenix, which I'd never seen and then dropped a reaction as well for something else. And I might have something coming up later on this week. We'll see. Thank you, guys. There you go.

Amazing. Okay, so we're going to get to your questions. I just want to make sure if there's anything else story-wise that we missed. I think we got everything. You want to skip the Denzel and Goonies? Oh, the Goonies we can get to. But the Denzel, let's do the Denzel one first. Okay.

And then we'll be just real quick. Yeah, real quick. We should definitely get to that. And then we'll get to the questions. because right now we stand it 47 questions. You tied Roxy's record, so you're the number two of all time. All right. Of all time.

All right, so here we go. Here's Washington on his Gladiator 2 accent. English language, film set in other cultures, especially historical epics, often have the actors using the British RP accent. I can see that many audiences are familiar with and readily accept. Changing that up can be a risk. Oliver Stone famously at all his Greek and Macedonian characters in Alexander speaking with Irish and Celtic accents.

That was Alexander. It was so bad. So bad. I can see that. Oliver Stone did that. The actor who tried an accent closer to the region was Angelina Jolie, who ended up sounding Lake Dracula. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Alexander. With Ridley Scott's Gladiator in 2000, the actors all took on British accents, including Australian Russell Crow and American Joaquin Phoenix, with the upcoming sequel is Irish lead actor, Meskell is doing the same. How about talking about Joaquin Phoenix in Napoleon doing not doing nothing? Sound like he was from Los Angeles. But one person who isn't changing their accent is Danzel who keeps his native New York accent for the film playing McRinnius, a former slave who has

become a power broker who attempts to eventually take control of Rome. In an interview with Empire Magazine recently in Washington explained the decision to use his own accent and said he didn't want to do a poor imitation of what would be the character's natural North African accent. Well, the thing was, where are we? Whose accent would it be? What does that sound like anyway? You're going to end up imitating someone and end up with a bad African accent. Okay, it's Denzel.

So that answer is brilliant because it's Denzel. Of course. But it's also, come on. Come on. It's Denzel, but come on. I think Denzel, well, he's done accents before. He could have done an English accent. You could have, because you could.

I don't know if he's comfortable with his English accent. Maybe not. No, it was. Cut his head off. Cut his head off. Drink the water. Get her. What do you do it?

Use the sword. It's going to be distracting. It's going to be distracting. I guess. It's Denzel, though. I know. I can care less. I'll be honest.

We could not care less. Could not care less. We're going to have fights with sharks in the water. Yeah, true. True. Which actually did happen. So this film is going to be off the chain. So I don't care if Denzel has this.

And it's Denzel, man. Are you going to see? like why you know I it's not he's not he's not and he's also not the lead of the film exactly yeah he's also it was it was the lead in the film in the look and I didn't I was also like 11 years old when I saw it but in the same way that with Robin Hood Kevin Costner no no everybody else had an accent he he did so it's like disappeared halfway through the movie yeah the princess lea had one for the first like beginning of the movie and then that one away so yeah it's it is look it's

distracting but I don't think but if the movie's good you'll be forgiving of it in the same way that like napoleon like i it it's just dull the movie right and that's the problem that's yeah if if the movie wasn't dull and he had the accent you wouldn't really care was the thing for me that was the thing like the second he started talking i'm like we're wait a minute who's that supposed to be i'm like is this and it's wakene phoenix i'm like what so i don't know um but let's uh let's move on i don't think anybody's really going to care i i'm i'm bummed that people are not more pumped about that movie because it's more of a wait and see yes i agree with you it's i agree yeah i agree and i think a lot of people are like why are you doing a sequel and it's been 24 years

and so i think people and it's not russell paul is still kind of an unknown quantity for a lot of the mainstream public so i think people kind of wait and see but if it comes out and the reviews are great and the word of mouth is great true you surprise what what i would love and the chances are slim to none but imagine it this thing won the Oscar. Yeah. Oh my God. Right? Wow.

Imagine. That would be something. It really would be something. All right. Well, how about you guys? Does it really matter at all about Denzel's accent? Do you care? Do you care?

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We've got tons of questions coming in, John. We've got a lot of them, so we're going to be here until the last one is done. We got our first one here starting off, and there was a ton. I put up the link last night, and there were a ton of them that already were put in there. So here's the first one from our buddy Mike Joyce. What classic movie do you dislike? I watched Field the Dreams for the first time. Oh, man, the other day and didn't care for it.

It's so strange and nonsensical. Oh, Mike, you're breaking my heart. But fair. I guess that's the whole point. You're going to say Goonies, right? Yeah, I don't like Goonies. I don't like the first Lord of the Rings movie, which is a classic. Wait a minute.

He's a classic film. Yeah. Goon is not a classic 80s film. It's not a classic 80s film? It's an 80s film that people like. Yeah, it's a classic family movie, I think, for sure. You just say 16 candles? It's a classic 80s film?

Yeah. I think it's in that realm then. All right, fine. If that qualifies for you, that's fine. I'm sure there's something. I would go with Gone with the Win. I hate Gone with the Win. No.

It's a terrible clown. I don't like Easy Rider either. 1969. Easy Rider. I just cannot stand that film. You know what it is? I have to watch this one again because the one 2001. Oh, yeah.

Space Odyssey. I love that. I just remember, I haven't, but I probably haven't watched it in over 20, some, 25, 30 years, maybe. And I remember just being bored with it when I first saw it. I probably would have a much better understanding for it now, obviously. I saw it when I was, like. kid so and i was like i'm bored so probably now a lot of dialogue yeah i probably i'd have to watch it i haven't seen it alone but that's the first one that comes in mind because i was just like when people

always mention it i always feel like an uncultured swine when they bring it up because i'm like eh okay but i need i've i've probably have to see it again um all right mike joyce it's a horror movie right an unseen force haunts a family and compels a man to drive cross country and do out things to please the ghosts and haunt him i a toy filled the dreams but um yeah it's it's it I love that movie. Like, what's wrong with you? Like, who hurt you as a child? Let us...

And also that incredible score. Oh, it's so good. And it's one of James Earl Jones's best performances. It really is. Exactly. Why would you dare bring this up, Mike, on the week that James George Jones said. He tried. That's probably why. It's probably why.

He probably gave it a shot and didn't like it. He was like, how much it didn't like something that classic actor died. Just recently. What's wrong with you, Mike? What's wrong with him? He was nice enough to put his question in there and let us know. He wasn't being disrespectful on him. Stop that.

Matt Sinister McCall. There he is. Beth Snyder. Shannon Sharpcaster for Boogie Nights too. No thanks. Rob Zombie gets $8 million to direct a NyQuil commercial. And James McAvoy added to the FBI wish list. Watch list.

Yeah. Great. That was his best comment. That was a good one. That was a real good one. McAvoy is so stacked now. Are you? He's kind of scary now.

He looked like he could have played Connor McGregor in Speak No Evil, dude. he was massive. I saw the trailer over the weekend and I'm like, he's a beast. He can play Wolverine. Forget Professor X. Yeah, I mean, a little older now, but yes, yeah, for sure. Derek Johnson, it was a big player in the Friday episode with Winston.

Roka, he's about to lay down that business in that thumbnail. Yeah, you know why I used the Shmowdown picture? Because I've run out of pictures. I've asked Roka 75 different texts to send me some freaking pictures of himself. And he said, I will. And every time I will. That was for seven months, I will. He's right to call me out.

I don't like how he look right now, so I'm doing the best I can. All right, go ahead. Thanks for calling me out on that. You're welcome. Derek Johnson also follows it up and says, doing this early, so we get a head start on that record. I want to beat the record. Derek Johnson, what a Roca and Christian's top five movies all time so far?

Oh, all time? No way. I don't know. He's put in a lot, but that's, but even that, but even that, It's like it's it's too hard for me to do like just a top five. I can give you five to pop off the top of my head. And they wouldn't necessarily rank in the top. It's just once that,

and I think that speaks volumes if that's what you think of, right? I think if without trying to put a really cerebral list, I'm going. Arthur the King. Yeah, Arthur the King. Empire Strikes Back. Braveheart, Goodfellas,

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Yes. Inception. I'm trying Godfather 2 those ones that pop out in my head there's so many other ones that that would be in there but I just those are ones that those are the first five were the first five that come to your mind

sure Assistant Kane as always that's my favorite film never will never will not be seven samurai Godfather Part 2 2001 Lawrence of Arabia those are the five that pop up in my head but I think they'd be depending on when I put it all together I'd have to compile it in different ways but Eternal Sunshine

could absolutely break the top five I love yeah Derek just touched him let's eff and go he also asked he said that he put it he put in quite a few here he said that I don't want to take all the questions in the beginning can you put mine to the side if need be so others can get in there um yeah I mean look I'll read this last one that you that you put in there I mean you put in quite a few but we'll do we'll take a break from yours in a second Derek Johnson said I like these joker movies as character pieces for trauma dysfunction and societal problems we face as a whole. But as a comic book character Joker, I don't see the Joker in this

portrayal. What do you both think? I mean, I like the portrayal. I like the idea with the, I agree with his points on what he said and the reason of what it's trying to do. Yeah. But I like this kind of, another reason why it is else worlds. I like this portrayal of the Joker and this kind of really deep dive into his psyche. So I'm a fan of it. But what about yourself? Yeah, I mean, one of the great things about jokers you can have many different interpretations and you've seen in the comics many different interpretations of the joker from killing joke to the azarello run to the standard joker to what we saw with jack nicholson doing in the 1989 batman versus jared leto or versus the voiceover work that mark hamill has done so there's many different types of jokers john damasio

they're a wonderful joker i thought on the animated stuff as well so i like that he's a character that can you can use to make a commentary about what you want to make a commentary on or just have fun with And so I like the Joaquin Phoenix Joker in what it has done and what it was trying to do. And I know all these snooty critics try to claim that he stole from Scorsese, but if he stole it, he made a billion dollars, so kiss his ass. Yeah, and then the same type of critics back in the 70s were saying that Lucas stole from Kurosawa, another one. Right, right, right, that's silly. All right, Pete Parker.

We'll get back to Derek, has a whole bunch of questions. We'll get back to, we'll close with Derek, so he's got a ton. Pete Parker says I love the trap reaction the look that you give Sadie when she wanted to eat I don't want to spoil but letting him fix the bike is so dumb heart and it was creepy shoes it yeah she's middle of it she's like drinking I'm like what are you doing she's like I'm hungry I'm eating I'm thirsty so my wife's not gonna stop for anybody it's just how this that's not how she is built so all right next one Jacob Pinchin if the Mayo claims are true I shouldn't have defended Waldron that you months ago as an aspiring writer I find it hard to believe

that Waldron actually who wrote Loki ignored Wanda Vision to tell his own story, but Olson says otherwise the original take on, was it? Multiverse of Madness sounds way better. Waldron and Ramey missed the mark. I mean, that's what I was referring to before. Yeah, I agree that that movie completely missed the mark, completely. And the idea, it always drove me nuts that the people involved in it didn't read the scripts for Wanda Vision because it didn't pay attention at all. Yeah. Yeah, it's frustrating. But I mean, Remember the sword. This is Bo DeMaio, right? And Bo DeMayo is having an issue with Disney.

So how much of this can you actually vet? Just because Bo DeMeo says it doesn't mean it's necessarily true. He's in the middle of a battle with Disney. And he's invested in taking down the mouse right now in his situation. So you always have to kind of factor that into anything Bo is saying now. So for me, I don't, I think Rainey is the one to blame for all of this. Because if his screenwriter had not seen Wanda Vision, he didn't bother to watch it to tell the screenwriter, wait a minute, wait a minute,

This isn't, we already did this. Like they already did this. We have to do something new. Then that's on Ramey. You're the captain of the ship. You get the credit and you get the blame. That's the game, man. So I don't disagree with you.

And I also, but the one pushback I'll have with the DeMayo side of it is, or I should say devil's advocate of it more so is if you are going after Disney and you got nothing to lose, I'm just going to tell you everything. I'm going to tell you everything now. So gloves are off. Guess what happened? This is what really happened. You guys are complaining about it.

Now, what Winston and I had brought up about that whole scenario, know, with the Ramey side of it is you remember at that time that you had Bob Chapec running everything who was pushing Marvel to do nine billion things. Yeah, shows. At this point, if you're Kevin Feigy and you're like, okay, we have this whole thing and here's the script and Sam Ramee, Sam Ramey doesn't want to do, you know, the Wanda Vision stuff. He doesn't, it's not the story he wants to tell, but it's Sam Ramey. A, Kevin Fagy is a Sam Ramey fan boy, part one.

Part two, you know you can trust Sam Ramey to make a movie at least, regardless of it. And he's like, I'm exhausted. I got to do all this other stuff. Just take it and go, do what you want to do with it. Fine, you switch things up. So be it. And I think that's one of the reasons that the quality over quantity might have hurt something like that. That's fair.

Yeah. So old. Okay. Hank Pim, never understood people's love for Blumhouse. 90% of their movies are trash quality. They make big profit, but that quality, awful, mostly. I think they have some, I mean, even like, I think that this thing that they did, I think Speak New Evil plays like a really good independent almost horror film and they changed the

the ending of the Danish film dramatically and they had to if you know what the what the ending is that film we had to but it's it it is some of their stuff doesn't hit and some of their stuff works but I like the I like their approach to it and there's some stuff that they do that I and I'm not a big horror guy but I read when I see it's got a Blumhouse label on it like okay they take swings and I know they try to put some quality into it even if sometimes it's it's the farts. No, I like 824. No way is 98%.

You mean Blumhouse. Blumhouse. I'm sorry, Blumhouse. In no way is 98% of their stuff not good. That's ridiculous. There's a lot more out there because you probably haven't seen 100% of the stuff to say that 90% of it doesn't work. Right. Okay. Miguel's on.

Hey, y'all, since Brolin declined, I would like Chris Pine or Timothy Ollfan as Hal. Thoughts. Any news on John Stewart Roker? Thanks. All you guys talked. I'm sure you guys discussed this on the hot mic the other day, too, because on Snyder's posts, one of his many posts, he said that Chris Pine, he said, you got a better shot is what he said. He said, you got a better shot of Chris Pine being his pool boy than he does Hal Jordan. He does not think that's going to happen at all.

Is there any shot that Pine is going to play it, or you're on that same page? No, I think Pine should absolutely get a shot. And from what I from my source, he's already met with Marvel about something. So, I mean, about, met with DC rather, about something. So we've seen, you know, we've seen him do, obviously the Steve Trevor stuff. Would it be an adjustment to put him in that situation? Maybe, but that's not, but that universe doesn't exist anymore. So you don't have to adhere to it, right?

Because you're done with that Wonder Woman, you're done with that series. So Chris Pine coming in to play Hal Jordan, I love this idea. And I've been pushing for it since the beginning. I don't really see the Olofan thing. I mean, he was nice as Cobb Vant, you know, in the Star Wars stuff. justified, but I don't really see him as a Hal Jordan. He's too laid back to the Hal Jordan. So I like the feeling of Chris Pine being this kind of, and plus he was a pilot already,

Steve Trevor. So I hope that's, that's what happens. I still love that Joel Edgerton pick. There's no chance it'll happen. Yeah, Joel would be great. Joe is actually a perfect choice. He's perfect choice, but he's just never, but he's never the name that's brought up. He's never the name.

He's always the name that people like, oh, that's great, but no one ever brings them up. That's true. Miguel Zonk. Do you guys see Josh Hartnett being in one big franchise? He was very good in Oppenheimer, Black Mirror, and Trap. Thoughts of him as an older Batman. I would be down for that. Look, I did not like Trap. But I like the first two acts of Trap. And then the third act, it just got so stupid. But I thought he was great. I thought he was great in it. I thought he's great in Oppenheimer. I didn't see the I didn't see him in, was it dark, dark mirror. Black mirror. I didn't see him in Black Mirror. So I love this. I love him coming back and I and I hope to see it. I think him is Batman and older Batman. He'd be great. He's also huge.

He's like six three. Yeah, yeah. Could be very interesting. As he showed elements of in trap, which I haven't seen him from the trailer, he can certainly go dark what he wants to. And if you've ever seen Penny dreadful, I loved him in that series.

So he can go dark if he needs to in some of the darker Batman moment. So that works. Benny, thoughts on Tulsa King yesterday's new episode. So I didn't see it yet. I didn't see yet because I would like I said there was so much stuff I was watching the great Arthur the King and it's also watching it's also watching I was also watching the old man see it's a good movie it's a good movie hey hey someone can say let's talk some treats what you get shots don't eat shots want to get shots take a meatball on a meatball but I didn't get a chance to watch it I do want to say it you yeah you you want you watch him on The dog, you know what me? I'm in Alabama.

I got to catch up on both that and the old man. These are Roka specials for guts. Come on. Blake Gilbert watched Rings of Power season two. The three episodes are very boring like season one. Episode four is okay, but episode five is very good. They're moving fast with Soron's end game. Yeah, I think I'm just out.

I watched season one, and I just never really had the urge to go back to it. I think I'm out. The viewership is down, sadly. Yeah. Because I hear that these last two episodes have been excellent from my boys of the geek buddies. They're loving it right now. But yeah, I haven't made myself sit down and watch them and catch up. I was ripping through slow horses last week.

Oh, yeah. Which is I finished the whole season because I know that as we get the screeners, I finished the whole season. Excellent. Excellent. So I'm looking forward to seeing people's responses to that. But I got to swing around at some point. Maybe maybe Saturday.

I'll just sit and watch all of. all of uh let me know how it is because i won't be doing that julius wyatt john who's your favorite guest on cinephiles and how about them cowboys uh how about them cowboys how about them saints watch out now the saints could be for real watch out people um i guess are i mean having joe mantania to come on to do adventures of robin hood was a lot of fun manse is the best guest of course and so is voguel but i personally had a great time with Maintania coming on to talk about that, you know? So that's what I'm saying.

All right, this, I'm so glad that our, that this next one's coming in because I was going to address this anyway. Gallagos, gentlemen, I decided to spread the love today as a married man. Thank you, Christian, for all your helping me, the woman of my dreams. Love you. Congratulations to you and your lovely bride, Jen, who, if you guys weren't familiar from Schmodeon, who produced so many relationships and marriages, this is yet another one that I'm so happy to both Jen Camp, a long time.

listener to Shmoz-No met Andres who was listener and a competitor in FCL and and and yeah and so they they met and they I mean I couldn't be happy just to two two wonderful wonderful human beings they got married yesterday so nothing but the best for both you guys that's really awesome Jen Jim was one of my original fans of the outlaw and I've always cheered her on and so the fact that she found love and Andres was such a great guy so yeah very happy for both of them very happy It's funny because I talked to a nerd chronic the other day and he was like, and he brought, you know, he brought them up. And I was like, oh, no, I'm very aware.

I'm very aware. Okay. So let's see. Next one. Benny, rate these mafia dons, Vito Corleone, Michael Corleone, Tony Soprano, Tony Montana, or Pauly from Goodfellas, from greatest leader to worse. This is one of my favorite comments of all time. The greatest leader, I think, is Vito.

Yes. Vito's the best. Then I would probably put. I probably put Michael second. Yeah. Yeah. And then I would put probably Tony, and then Paulie and then Tony Montana. Tony Montana was not a great leader.

He was not a good dawn either. Like, yeah, it was, yeah. He was all about himself for the most part. And lost. I still put Paulie below him. Because Paulie. Paulie lower, lower, he held power way longer. Polly was a son of him.

So he was, but he held it together. It was the drugs. You don't turn on your mother? No, you're talking to Polly Walnuts, fool. That's what I said. What is he'd say? Pauli from Goodfellas. Oh.

Yeah, not Pauli Walmus. And Paul didn't turn on his mother. I would go veto, then Pauly from Goodfellas, then Michael. Okay. Yeah, I could see that list. That makes more sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry about that.

I thought you meant Pauly from Sopranos. I don't know why. No, there's more Derek Johnson, but this one came in as well. For the MCU is Mahershiela too old for the longer storytelling he wanted to do. He's going to be like 52. 53 by the time the movie gets off the ground he wants us to be like black panther and isn't that too much to ask um look i think that this is what i've said many times over marcia lee is a tremendous talent and a superstar right yeah but i think if i'm marvel i go look we tried to do this thing um

we announced it in 2019 we can't reach it we want you in the mcc here's the hundred of other roles that you have you have picked who you want yeah take somebody and give him that because when it comes to things with blade as he's saying you want to do if you want it to last for quite a while if i'm him i don't want to be playing blade until i'm 60 years old right exactly yeah so give him something else we've got to make up his mind about the whole situation like it you know you're in for the long haul so are you going to commit for the long haul if they give you the story you want That's the question. That's the question.

Benny. Hey, Christian, you can't be on your show. Now with I'm virtual, I can get a lot of people on the show now, too. It's just a matter of, again, it's all scheduling. I mean, I'm doing live shows. He's doing live shows. So it's all scheduling. But we've talked about that before, but we haven't talked to him in a little bit.

But yeah, that's certainly possible. Sean Peterson, any chance Marvel used Deadpool to soft launch Cavill as the new Wolverine. rumors were that he had different offer from Marvel but choose that cameo. Well, I definitely believe that he probably had different offers for sure. And taking that cameo, why not? I don't think he's any shot in hell that he's going to play Wolverine. Yeah, agreed. Yes, no.

But no, I think that you probably, I mean, I still think that he should have been doomed over down. Oh. Yeah. I don't disagree. Mad, Sinister McCall, Harlov Show for the Emmys, Ben of the Show, Rogan. Well, you know, Sarah was just on Rogan, promoting. we're doing a show we're doing a show right now his show the met sarah show which he had ray long go on i know you're an m mma guy and then and and he just had um you watch the fights over the weekend yes i did i

watched that main event because um you know he's got a because now ray longgo has another champion yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean omalley was just didn't know what to do with that guy yeah he was just completely smothered to death for five rounds man well it's um yeah if if if if Because Marab had him, I think it was the, it was, you did it in five rounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now Longo's got another champ. So what we talked about that. So anyway, my point is speaking of gangster movies and everything, too.

Both Ray Longo and Matt Serra talk about their favorite gangster movies on tomorrow's episode. And he was on, he was on Rogan promoting it. Okay. Yes, boy, which wrestler has the best closing style non-geared? Matured, man. Come on, man. You can't be macho, man. If you're not following the machoverse on TikTok, you're doing yourself.

Oh, is it? Okay, I guess I have to do it. All this guys dress up as macho, man. Oh, is it? Go into public places. Oh, that's the best. It's amazing. Carlton Rudder, London calling, guys, I'm flat out tonight, actually going to London tomorrow.

Sending my support is ever, can't wait to listen to the show in the car. Thank you, Carlton. There's always a great supporter of the show. I appreciate it. Very much. He's always traveling. Okay, we're going to do this. There's a ton of more coming in.

Okay. And so the next one that we have, and what did you say, next movie is that you did the x-men dark phoenix one yeah i've been thinking about revisiting the animated transformers movie i haven't seen it oh the 86 one it's a good one to do like 30 years because oh really i haven't seen it forever man oh and there's a four-cade version that's out and i thought it might be kind of fun to do a reaction but i don't know if people want i don't know i mean my reactions have barely broken you know 1500 so i don't know if people want to see it but you should do it you should do it with somebody that's because when i when i was having when i was doing the

i do like tv shows by myself and i don't know it's I don't have a studio to make people in. Yeah, it's fair. Well, you have a big enough room. Can't have somebody come over and sit next to you? No? I don't know. You're just kidding.

All right, so. COVID. Benny, COVID, who are you living in? Rate these war films. Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now, Deer Hunter, Hacksar Ridge, Lone Survivor, 13 hours, Dunkirk, Fury, and Blackhawk down. Oh, wow.

I haven't seen a lot of them. I'll just tell you what my some of my favorites are. Save and Private Ryan is my favorite out of all of those. It's one of my favorite Spielberg films. if not my favorites people are called them. Then I would probably put, as Lone Survivor is the, is the Walberg one, right?

Yeah. It's a great movie, but not number two, not number two. I would probably put, number two, probably be Apocalypse now. And then, oh, then Dunkirk. I love Dunkirk.

I love Dunkirk. Fury is awesome, too, underrated movie. Black Hawk Down really awesome. I haven't seen, I don't, oh, 13 hours, I remember, Ellis gave that five out of five that was out of his mind.

I'm a Bay film. Yeah. And then I don't know. Deer Hunter is probably one that I probably have to do what I actually might do a watch along to because I think I've seen 15 minutes of that film. I know the ending. I know the ending of the movie. But like that's that's, that's, yeah, I can't rank them,

but I just tell you what my favorites are. Okay. What's your favorite out of all those? Apocalypse. That's just can't be beat. That's number one. What are the other ones? Loan Survivor, Save and Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down.

Okay. Deer Hunter. Yeah, Deer Hunter, too. Yeah, all right, that would be it. All right. The rest of it go. Again, we have a bunch from Derek that we skipped over, but this is another one. Have you guys watched the barista,

Dave Burista interview with Chris Van Fleet? The man is really dedicated to the craft of acting and gave an explanation of his slim down. I watched clips of it. I've seen clips of the stuff that he did. I saw the stuff we were talking about with the botch in the Royal Rumble. That was really good. But, yeah, Van Vleet just gets everybody now. he's the best.

I saw the Stephen Amel one where he's complaining about Peacemaker and they made a joke at his explanation. I'm like, Stephen, come on, man. And you know, the way Chris set that up was Chris was goofing. Like, he's Chris like, and then he, I thought of first that Amel was goofing too, but then Amel took it serious. I'm like, come on, man, who cares? No one was thinking about your Aeroverse as DC.

No. So ridiculous what ML was at all. But I will say, like, I, there are people that you root for. There are people who you don't root for, people you just don't care about. about Chris Van Bleed is someone I root for consistently. He's just a good human being, very positive person and a hard worker. Yeah. Okay.

So Derek, again, what did you think of Stephen Amel saying that CW kept the DC brand alive? Well, at that point, at that point, it was, he was, it was given, the TV was the more beloved out of the two at the time. Sure, but I was kind of disagreeing, but when I thought about it, I had to agree with him. Yeah, it's TV. I know. I get. I'm just telling you that, like, when, on. Don't forget, especially you were doing a flash recap show and all that kind of stuff, too.

That stuff was like, that was the main thing people were excited about because it was so hit or miss with those movies. Right. No, I mean, the CWverse certainly deserves its respect. I'm not going to say that, but no, I mean, films are film and TV is TV. And when it comes to superhero stuff, even more so. And they weren't connected. If they'd connected the universes, then I could argue, okay, yes, absolutely, is keeping it alive and what have you. You know, that was CW, and it deserves its place, deserves its respect,

but it ain't like doing it WB on the screen. It's just two different things, man. Yeah. Yeah. All right. RJ McCrady. Harlow, I appreciate what you do, man. Sorry for being a wiener.

Nah, you're not being a wiener. I appreciate how you interact with the community. Love RJ. P.S., will you sign my boob? Yes, absolutely. But, yeah, look, as far as I'm just saying, when I'm reading through things, top, it's just, it's hard because people will say along the sides.

And I know he's just, he was just kind of saying, interact with the chat. It's just, you got. We've got two hours, really, to get everything in. And that's included, you do all the questions alone. And I try as much as I can when I'm doing things to, but he's clearly not being a turd. Thank you, RJ.

I appreciate that. That was very, very kind of you. All right. And as we are now getting to a few more, and then once we do get to a few more that people put in, I have to go back to Derek's because Derek, Derek is really making sure that he got you close to Winston's record today. Jay West, in Transformers 1.

If Transformers 1 was so good, should the director get a shot at a live action Transformers movie, and would his movie be better than Bayes? Yes, it would be better than Bayes. If they could get the same writer and they pull off the same tone. Because the essence of what Transformers was that I loved growing up as a kid has been missing from all the live action movies, minus the first, you know, the minus bumblebee, especially in the beginning of bumblebee. But the majority of the essence of it has been lost. it all came back when I saw this movie and I felt like I was a kid again watching Transformers so I would love to see it

but the problem is do studios pull back a little more and go okay do your thing on animation as opposed to live action where there's so many cooks in the kitchen yeah I mean he did Toy Story 4 as well Josh Coley that's the director that you're dealing but yeah I mean the writers it would have to be all the writers coming back

to be a part of it to know clearly understood from what you're saying other reviews I've read the world of Transformers and how to make it shine I'm right. Here's the smartest comment of the whole chat. Oh, boy. Pete Parker. As a dog lover, Arthur the King is a no-brainer.

But the best dog film of the last 10 years is actually Togo on Disney Plus. I feel like no one saw that. Yeah, I don't know what that is. Do you know what that is? Togo. Oh, okay. Togo. It's a no-brainer all right.

You're going to see Arthur the King and you're going to cry. Oh, you don't have a soul. I should do a reaction. You should. You should do Arthur the King. I'll watch it. Anyway, Ingrid Plauses. Nice. Which horror movie are you looking forward to?

No Sforatu or substance? No brainer. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, not even a question. Because that's one where the, you know, it's one of the, to me, like, anything he does, Eggers, I want to go see. Although, you know, it's funny. I've never seen Lighthouse. Oh, God, you got to see that. I know.

I know. I know. I'm curious. Yeah. The sad movie guy. According to Reeves, the Batman 2 takes place shortly after the Penguin. is it possible that we will see the Batman 2 main

villain in the Penguin? I mean it's possible get a lot of tie-ins to it. It just depends on how they're actually going to do it. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. You've got to watch Penguin to understand what's going to happen and Batman. He has said that.

Yeah. Because they're connected. They're going to pick the baton. Okay. Have you watched have you seen the Penguon yet? No, no. Nobody sent me episodes. I might be able to get something today. I didn't try. I didn't try. Oh, really? I want to watch. I want to watch it week to week with everybody. I don't want to watch it.

I don't want to go in. I'll watch it. I want to watch with everybody else. I was like, nah, I'm just one. This one I'm going to wait. And especially I'm going to do the Batman reaction with my wife and then leading into both the penguin.

It's kind of the idea. Metpole. Do you guys think that WWE is going to pay off the Seth sacrificing for Cody at Mania storyline? I think that Seth was the sneaky star at Mania for his work. I mean, he was definitely the, he was the one to put in a lot of work.

But you don't think they were going to pay that off? Yeah, Seth is a workhorse and he'll be there forever. So they don't need to cater to him in that way. Like Seth loves people. And they did their feud already. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's, Punk is the one they're leading up to at some point.

Yeah, they got to do that. They got to pay that off. Yeah, they got to pay that off. Julius Wyatt, favorite movie musical. I still love singing in the rain. Again. What do you got? I mean, there's a lot of musicals that I enjoy.

You know, Mulan Rouge is one that I always pops into my mind. I like that, but that's not, if we're going to go old school. I mean, the original West Side Story, you know, we mentioned is a pretty damn good movie. You know, it's like, I like the remake very much so, but there's that original is so good. I'd have to go through all of them, you know, to say, oh, yeah, this one, this one, this one, this one. But that's, but that's probably, yeah. American in Paris is probably mine, but certainly West Side Story, the original is incredible. So that's, that's like a battle for me overall.

you know uh this is for you Pete Parker thoughts on the Tua situation should he retire everyone thinks that he should retire yeah not even a question you should absolutely retire yeah you've got kids you're young man you've got 96 million dollars guaranteed if the dolphins do you right and don't you know don't screw you over out of that money then take that money go become a spokesperson become an analyst become a commentator you can do better than Tom Brady and do all that and and bank the money and go make money in other places and people will appreciate you more for not coming back. Two concussions?

Or three? Three. Along with other hits that were close to concussions that weren't documented. So, yeah, I think he's got to go. Screwface, John. What's up, man? Over under, KDOT brings out Drake at the Super Bowl. Probably not.

You imagine if they did? No. I'm going to go over. No way. And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. If Katie Perry and Taylor Swift can bury the hatchet, I mean, we've seen feuds with people.

I didn't even know they. I didn't even know those two had beef. It did for you. It was about backup dances. Really good child. Stupid. Kendrick could do this to Drake because Kendrick won. And Kendrick would look even bigger by being like, you know what?

We're going to do a thing back and forth and do a rap back and forth. And then in a way, he kind of helps Drake come back to the mainstream. Because look, Drake was clearly a moron to pick a fight. He got beat. So you got to respect the man for getting beat. And if he comes to you and, and ask you to do that for him. He's not.

He's not. He's not smart. He'll do it. But he's not going to do that. Mike Joyce, Roland Emrick, remaking Lawrence of Arabia? Yeah. Wait, that's not true. It is true.

It's a TV series. He's working. What? Yeah, nonsense. That's, come on. Sorry, I don't mean to cost. No, well, that's ridiculous. Who greenlights that?

Ewok. If rumors are true that Lucasfilm wanted Keanu for Accolet, which he wisely turned down, then he must be on their radar for other projects. I'd love for him to lead Mangos, Dawn of the Jedi film. I feel like that's probably where you might see him if he pops up, if they even

wind up doing that film. Yeah. But that's where you should lead. You should put him in that film and let them kind of actually do what they said they were going to do in Akelyne. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. Remember, they may not be that Disney wanted, maybe that Leslie wanted him for the Acolyte, and that may be in his

way. We don't know for sure who wanted him to be an Acolyte. Yeah. Okay. My Kid, Banana. Hey, guys, any thoughts on Backlash, Trevor, Jeremy John's reviewing, Am I racist? And the people are going to review, they're going to review. I don't know. I never understand what people get backlash for reviewing anything they want to review.

It's like, who cares? Yeah. So here is the next one. And this is the Dart-Double-5. Are J-Lo and Affleck back together? Should they be? You know better than I do. Are they back together?

They were seen holding hands and kissing at a recent public event. I love how you know this. I don't, yeah. I've always wanted to be a gossip show. You know, I've since collider. days I've wanted to do a lot of show. I tried to pitch one with with grace and Angela. I wanted to do with Angie. I wanted to do one, but we'd never got it off the ground. But yeah, they were seen canoodling and kissing and all of that. So look, it's about

it. We've all been in these relationships, the off and ons, and you can't figure it out. You have the big fights, but you can't resist each other. So they're clearly in that stage. So, you know, let them work out. It's have to do it publicly, but let them work it out. Yeah. Will you be upset? What if they get back together? together i'd be upset for ben i won't be upset for jalo because you knew is clearly you knew when when he when he sent his negotiator in with matt damon that i did see i did see them i saw that we're going around that they were talking i was like oh if he's talking if she's talking to him then they're gonna get

then they're gonna get there's a shot they get back together they don't have a pream no so yeah it's insane to me hilarious uh like yeah they're gonna figure or not derrick johnson roca he called drake's running mates pedophiles i don't think there's a reconciliation coming over there bruh it's rat beef you You look, you don't see some of the things I call bibs or Dan or other people. You do things. You do things in battle that you do things in battle. You want to see if they miced up the NFL players every game, I guarantee you you'd have a whole different interpretation

and perception of these players. So, you know, people talk crap. They get into it. That's the game. A lot. Exalted 10. I'm taking the under on Kendrick bringing out Drake. Drake doesn't want to be called a pedophile in national television in person.

Well, you can, I don't think he's going to use that lyric, by the way. So the NFL is not going to have Kendrick. Use the pedophile lyric. So we will see. All right. Al Pacino in Blumhouse's night jacuzzi. Money. Get in here.

Get in. It's hot. Ooh. Okay. What's going? Where are those bubbles going? Come on. All right.

Now we got a ton of Derek ones that I want to get to here. And we got the, I start with this James Gunn one. Okay. And he said, do you both believe the DCU, a James Gunn running point, can really put that IP and franchise back on track? And if they don't, what do you think will happen will DC? Well, they have to put it on track with this. So there's the whole plan that they've just too much invested in it.

So I think that the answer, it's all about Superman. The plan right now is sound. It's a sound plan. Yes. Superman leading into Supergirl, we're going just films, right? Superman leading into, or not even just films. Superman leading into Supergirl leading into Green Lantern leading into, you know, Batman. It's a sound plan.

And if you can actually, and the people that they have, and you look at what he's doing with Lantern so far, and the team he's putting together there and the way they're actually, the plan is sound. But you said it very well before. You can put a great plan together, but can you execute it? And that's what it's going to be. You'll be able to come back to us with that question after Superman comes out. Right. That's going to be the one that gives us an idea.

idea of what's happened. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay, so thank you again, Derek, for all these wonderful questions. One of my bucket list items is to go to a Comic-Con at San Diego. Do any of you know any tips or tricks of getting tickets? Well, I mean, hard for me to say as far as tickets go, because John, John can talk about that more so because I never really wanted to go outside of covering for press. So I was always, I was always able to get the press tickets. So I had the badges and I was, and that's how I would go. So is there like, do you just need to sign up right away? when it comes in, John? Yeah, you kind of have to sign up

and you get into the lottery and think of it. But I'll tell you what, is this Derek who sent this? This is Derek. This is all Derek. You make plans to go. I always get three extra press passes every year for my outlet. So if you want to go, I will give you a press pass for the four days. You just have to record stuff every day of the stuff you watch and experience.

So I'd be happy to include that in an overall Comic-Con video I would do. So if you're down, just let me know. because you've contributed to Christian show and my show many, many times and the geek buddies. So it's the least we can do. So if you want to do that. Very kind to you. And yes, he's, I mean, we still, we've got a ton of questions left from him. He says as a former Marine and a fellow military member, I cannot let Roca sit in third place on the overall leaderboard.

I cannot abide. Well, he's in second place. He's in second place. He's in the second place. He's in the first place for this week. I'll probably win this week. So with 65, I don't think anybody's getting past Winston's record. That's just two are.

Derek Johnson, I'm a huge fan of the geek. buddies and it was through Roka that I found out about Christian's channel. Oh, that's awesome. Always down to support and give praise to both of these guys. Always put on great content. Well, that's very nice and that's awesome. That's good. I wonder was one of the episodes that I was maybe on your show. Oh, maybe. Yeah, yeah, when you've come on, very kind of come on. To which he says, this live schedule is really great. I don't have to rely on notifications that sometimes don't work to let me know to check in on the show. I mean, it is one of those

things that I'm glad that we're doing. And it's probably be easier for you now because we went even on Mondays, we would text the day before even the morning of, and you're like, oh, what time you want to go on today? And it's like, that's a pain in the ass. So it's like, now it's just like, okay, you know, I'm going on. For you, it's 10 a.m. and you know where to be. And everybody knows now to find this at 10 a.m. PST. So, absolutely.

He also says as a fellow, Virginia Roco, what did you like more? Kings Dominion or Bush Gardens? Kings Dominion, always. I wasn't a Bush Gardens fan because it didn't have as much, but the roller coasters were better at Bush Gardens than Kings Dominion, but I enjoyed the overall Kings Dominion Park better. Like I don't enjoy Disneyland over Universal Studios,

even though some of the rides of Universal Studios, I think, are better than some of the rides at Disneyland, the overall experience of Disneyland is better. To which he follows up, what was for lunch today? For me, I have a whole bunch of burrito stuff here that my wife made that I haven't gotten to yet because I've been working since the beginning.

Yeah. And let's see, how long are we going to have to live through the Sony Temu Marvel universe? Sony is just doesn't know what they're doing with that stuff. I mean, if Craven bombs, that, I feel like that. You feel like it should be, and Venom.

And Venom three, right? Venom three. But if those do well, then they're gonna, it's like stop encouraging them. Derek Johnson, what's your guys most anticipated movies of 2025? Oh man. I mean, Superman's up there for, for this.

I have to go through that entire list. Fantastic four. But I have to go through like the full list on that. And we're probably, and we always do, anticipated at the beginning of the year. And then John, myself, and Dan, we'll probably do a live one. I'd love to. Yeah, we'll do a live, what we normally

do is our top 10 movies that we do. I don't know yet if we'll do it live or not, but either way, we'll figure it out. He asked how you and I met at school in college. I met in college. I couldn't even remember. It's probably like during one of those theater, you know, things. But I don't remember, I can't, it's so funny, like, if you

try to, like, play, like, how fun, how cool would be to go back and time, see how we actually, the first time we actually spoke to one another? I don't know. It was a bathroom restop, I think. It makes sense. I said, why are you doing that to that guy? You in here, too? Yeah. No, I think we just, yeah, just randomly, probably at a theater night, which we would do every once in a while at the school, and then, you know, for whatever reason, we might have been in a class together, but immediately East Coast recognizes East Coast. And as soon as I heard Christian, there was a,

authenticity to the back and forth, then I was like, okay, this do I can know. You know, because I went back at 27 years old to college, so I wasn't a 20-year-old kid, you know, so yeah. I currently live in Denver. If anyone ever visits Denver, don't leave without going to two places. Papadot for Cajun cuisine and Del Frisco's Double Eagle Steakhouse,

best steak in the state. That's good to know. We're looking for a good steakhouse. I always talk about, when was the last time you're, I would, every time I can talk about a steakhouse. I always bring up bones in Atlanta. I talked about it last time you're on the show, but it's really good. What is the best KFC, Bojangles, or Popeyes?

I don't know. I don't have a preference on those. Do you? I would have to say Popeyes. Yeah. But KFC in a pinch. Like KFC is your tombstone, and Popeyes is like the searchers. That's what I would say when it comes to the thing.

They'll do in a pinch, but you want the better stuff. That's right. Derek says he's doing all these so we can set the tone for it. And boy, did he. He did indeed. So then he says, when did you both discover not like your love for movies, but for the movie business itself? You know, I think that probably the love for movies eventually than learning the movie

business from, I mean, because I kind of went to a crash course college when I was, went from Village Road Show to working for Joel Silver and learning how the studio system worked. Like, that was, I mean, that was more education in four years than I'd ever go. got in college or anywhere else too. You can be, you, and I was working for two high-level executives in a production company, and I mentioned this point before, production companies usually are lucky if they get one movie made in a year, two years, if they, under a studio. We were doing three to four movies a year through the Dark Castle and Silver Banners,

and I was working for two higher-level executives for barely $600 a week. It was, it was insane. It was insane. But, but yeah. So anyway, but that's kind of fun. For me, it was just getting into movies at a young age, and then once Premier Magazine and Entertainment Weekly came out, then I get into the movie business,

because they were doing great articles about what was going on and behind the scenes and studios and whatever. So that's how I got into it, was through the magazines, and then that just always carried over for years. I did because I remember our conversation, you and I went to like sushi or something, because you were doing a wrestling show, I think, at the time, right? Yeah, right with Andre.

That's right. think I had heard, you know, you talking about movies and stuff too. And I was like, why aren't you doing what I'm doing? Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll always admit this. Like when Christian, Christian, just like with the pictures, Christian would constantly tell me, like, I, you know, you got to want, this is the place. This is the place. And I kind of scoffed at it because I was like, you know, what?

This isn't, Ebert's not on freaking YouTube, right? But I clearly was stupid because this was the next thing. And I had no idea. And it wasn't until 2015 that I woke up and you very gracious. offered me a shot on far far away that I like saw this as something people could actually do. So yeah, it was my fault for not seeing y'all's vision way earlier in the in the process. You were the only one. I remember my friend, my friend cricket who I loved, she was like she, when we were starting

doing Schmo's and we were doing a live event and we'd started the YouTube channel, I think at the time with like 4,000 subscribers and she said to my wife, she's like, why is he doing this YouTube thing? He can't make anything out of it. She can't make a career out of it. And everybody felt that way. Everybody felt that way. You just never know. Yeah.

And then Derek says, did they make a mistake in the promotion of Joker with the whole musical, non-musical thing? We'll see. Yeah. I think we'll see. Because that's, you're not really going to be able to figure that out until you see the results, you know? TBD? TBD. Let's see.

So that was, Derek was beyond just beyond kind to do all that. Let's see if there's going to be any more. There's a couple more. Mike Maver. Al Pacino. We did that. We did that one. And then there's a couple more down here.

And this one comes to us from Jonathan Garcia. Hey, Christian, did you ever interact with Tony Hinkliff during your time at the Comedy Store? What are your thoughts on Kill Tony? We'd love to see on it. I did interact with Tony. Tony was always very nice to me. And I was always like when we were, I was in there before Tony. I got made a regular in 2003.

but I remember when I was there for I'd come back to help I was working at The Bachelor I came back to shoot some stuff at the comedy store they were doing like a bit the comedy store and I was like hosting it leading into like the warm up stuff and then they had Jeff Ross on the actual show but why I was there Tony was there and was talking him for a bit he was always very very kind to me it was very nice and but yeah I mean yet what I killed Tony he came up with a very, very, very, I mean, they just sold out Madison Square Garden. They're killing it. Wow. Yeah, they're killing it.

Speaking of killing it, remember Frankie Alvarez, right? From basement yard? Oh, I do remember Frankie. Dude, him and the basement yard, they're going, they're doing Radio City Music Hall. Whoa! Yeah, I mean, he just called me the day. I'm going to go and check out that show. Frank, Frank, isn't it talking about another, we're talking about Chris Van Bleet.

Frankie Alvarez is another guy that is just a solid, solid human being. And Derek Johnson. said thank you so much roka thank you so much for the comic con thing of course yeah let's do it let me know it's pretty great um i think that might be it and we oh no it's not simon section i'm not surprised that the outlaw's not a fan of dog movies the outlaw josie wales continually spit tobacco juice around a dog no class don't make me find a police boxer delorian to get john wick on your candy ass that's right i love dogs i just mean i didn't wait what not like you a hater of dog movies i like you a hater of dog

movies. I like good dog movies. That's what the difference there. Well, John, we did it. Yep. Thank you. Again, this is for this week, 67 is really wonderful. So thank you guys to everybody who was here. Oh, wait. I apologize.

68. Most uncomfortable actor interaction during a Comic-Con. Masioka. Is that the guy from Heroes? Or is that, oh, you That you interviewed is that what they're asking? I've told this story, right? Is it an interview or? I don't know.

He said, it's me, Steve. I said most comfortable actor interaction during a Comic-Con, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, Masioka, who was a massive prick to me. Oh, why? Yeah, I was like, this was all so new to me, like going to Comic-Con and seeing the people I'd seen on TV. This was at the height of heroes. And I went into, I was coming out of a situation at a party.

and Masioka, the elevator opens and Masioka is standing there. I was like, Masioka, oh my God. And he goes, oh no, I said, here. I go, here. Oh, my God, that's awesome. And he goes, my name is Masioka. And he just walked past me. And I was like, wow, wow, you dick. So that was my way.

But I'm the only one I've ever had a negative interaction with at Comic-Con. Every other person that I've, you know, had a moment or had a conversation with, incredibly kind, including Christian Melioti, who's about to be in the big one. But like Masioka's the worst experience I ever had. Well, you also don't know what kind of, maybe he's having a bad day. Sure.

It's possible. No, sure. So Mike Joyce at 69, dudes. He got us to 69, but then quickly followed up by Mr. Big. Hello from, where's that? Nova Scotia Canada for love the show. Thank you.

Mr. Bigger. I really appreciate it. Very kind. And then Simon section, I respect John Roker. Very nice. Thank you. Yeah. All right, guys, we did it.

Thank you so much to John Roka. Thank you to you guys. Thank you everybody who contributed. And thank you everybody who's been so wonderful joining us on this show every day now, Monday through Friday. We have a great line up here. And John's been helping me kind of get this off the ground with the live shows. So I thank him for it. We have our reactions that we have going up.

So make sure you check those out. And then John, real quick, tell them again, where can they find you. Please come find me at the Roka says on social media, but the Outlaw Nation on YouTube really, really want to get some 50,000 subscribers. I know thousands and thousands of people watch this show. I would love you all to come over to there and just hit a subscribe on that on the channel. And you'll get great content from a number of the shows.

They're with great co-hosts on the Jedi Way, the geek buddies, and the hot mic, along with all my stuff and the sports stuff that and the stuff we're doing with Winston A. Marshall to spill the tequila stuff as well. So please come and hang out with us there. Thank you, Christian. Thanks, everybody. Have a great rest of your Monday. Peace. Thank you, John Roken. Thank you to you guys once again. And we also had one more from Simon.

Thank you. Simon. Appreciate you. You guys, again, thank you very much for being part of this. And being involved with all the questions and the stuff that you're throwing in there is stuff that obviously we want to talk about and all the different topics that you give us. So we appreciate it. Tomorrow. I don't know how many you guys know Tom Chattelbash.

Tom Chattelbash was, he was really one of the original YouTube. guys. He was out there probably around the same time when myself and Ellis started doing this. And he lives in New York. He came with me to the Fly Me to the Moon screening, and he's going to come into studio tomorrow. So we're going to do a live show together here. Roxy will be on Thursday. Mike will be off for the week. Wednesday will be myself and Steph. And then Friday will be Koi and Winston. So we'll be here all week. Once again, there's a possibility. I'm trying to figure it out. I don't know yet. the possibility that Clark Wolf might be in studio, but we're going to figure that out. And if she is,

we'll let you know. We'd definitely at least do a pre-tape with her. So that is what's going on this week. I have the long legs reaction going up on Friday. Not a lot of screenings. I was supposed to see, what's the, oh my God, you guys, you've been talking about it the whole time in the show. Bad robot, not bad robot. What's it called? The new, the robot one, the wild robot. I was supposed to go see that this week. I'll probably see it next week, but I'll be checking that out for sure. And I think that's it.

I think that's really the majority of stuff, and then we're going to have a lot of the reactions. Please go and check out these reactions. If you haven't watched the one with my wife, please check that one out. Leave a comment over there. We're going to try to do more of those. They're a lot of fun to do,

especially seeing movies for the first time with people who haven't seen them, and then even seeing movies that I have seen that they haven't seen. It's been a lot of fun to do. and we'll be doing more. And then as far as the clips go, I've seen the majority of people say this,

and then I've seen a couple countering points for the clipouts that we do of this show, right? I'm trying to put like one or two up a day, because I don't want to bombard the channel with the clips because if it's going to hurt your subscriptions, I don't want to do that. But I'm going to put like one or two. I did it over the weekend,

and it seems like most people want me to do that. The other thing I was going to put it on my clips channel, like more of them, but I want to focus those with the, the interview clips. I don't know. Anyway, so that's it. Thanks to John Roka. Thanks to everybody here today. 72. 72 questions. Thank you. Maybe we can, it'd be fun to keep on doing some more of these questions and whatever you guys come up with. And thank you to everybody. You guys are the best. Love you to death. Apple Podcast, Spotify. Check our sponsors. They're in the links in the

description. And that's it. So for John Roka and myself, see you guys later. Bye-bye.