The Kristian Harloff Show - Wicked: For Good Enchants The Box Office!

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

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Look, it doesn't matter if Roca and I agree on Wicked for Good or not, we're both going to agree. It made a lot of mourning. Now, the question is, can it sustain? That's another question that we'll be having on this. Christian Harlow Monday show here today. It's going to be a sure week. John won last week. Got a real good shot of winning again this week.

He was only going to be two and a half shows, maybe. Anyway, we talk about Wicked for Good. We're going to talk about Star Wars creative freedom. intrastante. Hugh Jackman, hints that are returned in the Avengers movies. We know I think that's going to happen. Some HBO Max stories and other things. It's going to be a lot of talk about what happened this weekend at the box office for sure. So let's get into it. It's myself and John Stephen Roker. Let's do it, everybody. It's Christian Harlov show here today. Here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Christian Holhoff show here today. Join me on

on this Monday, as always on Monday. Hello, everybody. John Roe is here. What's up, man? How was the weekend? The weekend was good. A lot of NFL action. A little Black Friday shopping.

Hey, for those of people who say I hate the rock, and I'm looking at my co-host on this, I bought. You say your turncoat. Turn coat. I bought his red one sweater that he's got out at the Under Armour outlet stores for half off. I was like, hey, it's a good Christmas sweater.

I'm going to get it. So, you know, I love the rock. Got it. Right, you just turn code. I get it. So I watched, you know what I watched over the weekend? It's funny because I was busting chops,

and I'm going to put my head of the theater reaction on. I just haven't released it yet, but the, yeah, is this thing on? Oh, yes. The Will Arnette one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was busting chops on it because it was so, you know, people are like, oh, it's pretty much your pilot.

It's pretty much your pilot. It's not. And with the similarity of the fact that the guy just discovered. I mean, he's, he's like mid-50s, and he discovers stand-up comedy. Yes. You know, and my, my character was early 30s,

and his girlfriend was cheating on him. This guy, this guy's in a divorce, and it's a completely different story. Will Arnette is awesome in this movie. I agree. So is Lord Darn. They're both great.

She was a little bit more of an asshole in this movie than I thought he was. Yes. But they had such a true understanding of one another. It was like a, I had just watched Eternal Sunshine as well as mine recently, and just like the great film one of my favorites of all time now it's not similar as far as tone but it's it's similar as far as the relationship feels very real yes and i really enjoyed it i thought

bradley cooper did a phenomenal job i thought it was a nice uh little movie and uh and i liked what they did did you enjoy yeah i would have waited for streaming on this one but snider pumped it up on the hot mic so much when the screening invite came in and there was like hardly any people in the theater when i went to the screening it made it for a nice, enjoyable watch. And yeah, I really enjoyed the film. Because I went in going, like, Will Arnett, leading a theatrical feature. He was great. He was great.

And he was so good. Like, if he did this more than he did that podcast of his, I think I'd love to see him expand even more into these dramatic roles. Ironically, I'll say the Bradley Cooper role is the role that I thought was kind of useless in the film. But everyone else I thought was excellent. I think he was there to lend the star power to it. Yes, agree.

Right, the name. To get people there, like, because they could have cast anybody in that, but he said, you know, I'll do it. And because it's not, he wasn't trying to steal any spotlight or anything with it. But how Will Arnett does not do a Michael Keaton impression? I have no idea. They sound exactly the same. You know, I'm up here.

I'm getting divorced. And, you know, it's a lot of, a lot of different things. They do. They sound exactly the same. But anyway, I thought it was, I was, I really enjoyed it. But I can understand it's not, you're not wrong. It's not a theatrical experience. Right.

No, you don't need to see it in the theater. I mean, you could enjoy it, but you don't need to. The question for you is, do you think there'll be buzzed to get this guy to be considered for a best actor nomination? I hope so. I mean, look, this is such a up. This is the most up in the air awards season, I think, in a very long time. 100%. I don't know.

Anybody can get nominated. I still think some of the people that we thought at, maybe they're out of it. I still think there's an outside shot, Julia Roberts gets nominated. I think there's outside shot that Wayne Johnson gets nominated. If you told me, I don't think so. I'm not going to argue with you. Right. I'm just saying it's so up in the air right now, like, who, who's going to get nominated?

We know there's probably, I mean, what's her face? Amistona probably get nominated again. For Bagonia? Yeah, probably. I think even that's up in the air, bro. I really do. Bagonia came and went. I just think she's such an awards, like darling right now that people, you know, just like to have her

at things. to be another thing. Because let's not, let's not forget that that happens often. People just want the stars at their things, so they nominate them. I kind of think the Oscars aren't at that level, but no,

a lot of other, a lot of other places. Sure, sure. I mean, the Golden Globes are famous for it. Yes, 100%. Right. So, continuing movie awards, all that show.

Right. So who knows, who knows what's going to happen. But will Arnett, I would like to see it. I'll tell you that. I wouldn't be, if he was nominated,

I wouldn't be opposed to. And I don't think he should win. I don't think he should beat like Leo. But I would love to see. That would be a great nomination and such an unexpected one because he's really, like you said, he's got to carry the movie, A, he does. B, he's got to go toe to toe with Lord Dern. Lord Dern.

He does. Yes. And you've got to believe that they're really this couple and that they were in love. They're on the, and you believe every second of it. Well, I like the gutsiness of the film because they're both. It's not cut and paste black and white. It's the things we want in our movies nowadays is these gray characters. Because, you know, we're all living in a world right now where we're constantly confronted with our own hypocrisy, almost every day.

And so it makes, it shakes our ideals and principles and moral about what we believe because we're, well, in this situation, I don't, maybe I could see doing that or I could have done that or I did this. And so it's those kinds of things you see. So you want to see a relationship that has multiple. levels to it in terms of like, well, she's upset about this. Well, right. She's upset about this. Let's get you to understand. Well, okay, I understand why she's upset, but I still don't agree that she got it.

Like with the, you're talking about specifically the poster. Yes. I thought that was so gutsy. Same. It's like, it's like you understand where she's coming from where you don't agree with her. Right. Right. 100%.

Both my wife and I were watching and what the hell is she talking about. Like, okay, when she explains herself, you're like, I get it. But the guy was trying to do something nice. Yeah. You know. That's relationships. I love that. People have their things.

So that was a bit, not super surprising because the team that was involved, but still, I liked watching. But I'll tell you the movie that was surprising that I watched, that I loved. Okay. The baltie morons. Oh, I got to watch that one. Dude. It's awesome. I hear it's very funny.

It's, but it's endearing. Yeah. And I love seeing, especially when I'm telling you that, you know, we're trying to do this pilot and everything that's coming up. Yeah. I didn't know who either one of the two leads were. No clue. Okay. That is a challenge all in itself right away to say,

your attention. Yeah. And do I care? I care immediately. I'm like, who is this guy? And I'm like, oh, I like this guy. He's great. And then you're like, who's the dentist? And it's like, who's that? Carmelo Soprano? It's like, no, it's not. Who is that? I don't know who that is. But now I know them together. What a great little movie that was. You were sliding a little bit into Manascalco there. I don't know who, what? I turn a baltie. Why? All I know is I hit the button. Play the Roku. Klingling. What's the new noise on the Roku? Doing?

But the lead of the film, Michael Straster, he's the one that played Jerry Lawler in the Young Rock series when he was on a few episodes. Wow. I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't have put that together. I know that's a stretch. I wouldn't have put that together at all. I thought most. of the, most of the wrestling performances in that show were abysmal. 100% abysmal, but he's not, he's, he's great. He's absolutely great. He's great. All right, so

that's just a couple things that we watch. John had watched Utopia 2. I did, yeah, I went to the screening the other day. I'm going to see that tonight, so you really enjoyed it, right? I did. It's not as good as the first one, but I think the first one is so magical. It would be tough to have a second act of that one. But I think this one is good. It's a little and even with

some of the humor, but I think Fortune Femster is great as the Beaver. I think Equan is damn good as the snake. I like Andy Sandberg coming in as well. And I like that there's a little more of the history of the city that gets explored in the movie. And I tell you, the final 20 minutes of the film, I got emotional as hell right by the end. I'm going in to see it tonight. I hope you like. I hope so too. I see it tonight and then I see Avatar

on December 1st, which I'm excited about. Oh, yes. Ditto. Yeah, yeah. And then I think there's, I mean, there's really, I just saw, like I said, I saw is this thing on, which is one of the ones I want to see. I've seen the Knives Out movie. I got to see that one. That one is in the inbox over the weekend. So I'm wondering, I'm wondering which other ones are really that. I don't think there's any other thing. Oh, I think.

You haven't seen Marty Supreme? I've not seen Marty Supreme. I know. I'm waiting for the app on that one because I'm not, there's no more screenings. I don't think. But then the other one I want to see is, um, uh, five minutes of Freddy's. I'm curious about that one. Oh, yeah.

That's next week. Oh, is it next week? I got to follow up. They didn't. You got to get it. Anyway, I'll check in on that one. So we'll be checking in on that. So that's the stuff that we saw.

I got a little new segment. I love to stream, so I want to see. You did, right? Yeah, I love it. Everybody loves that movie. I can't wait to say. I was bummed that I missed it.

Okay, we're going to get into some stories. All right. I got to do this because John, today, and I saw that you like the post and I appreciate it. I was like coming back from Jim today. Yeah. And I had said to myself, I go, look, I don't really, because my friend John bust my fucking balls every time I post one of those

pictures. Roxy was one who said, you should do it for inspiration and stuff too. And I said, all right, I'll, I'll do it. And every time he gives me shit for it. But I was like, you know, I was talking to people and I was just in such, like, I was in, during the Schmodan, I've talked about this. I was just like mentally just not in a good place. And even though I was eating right at times, I just wasn't feeling good. And even when I moved here, I was eating terribly. And I was like, I was working all the time and my energy was atrocious. Right. Yeah. So I had told myself that I was going to get back into, I would not get back.

really get into the gym and stop giving myself excuses. I said in my post that I told Chris Van Bleet, and this is when he came in when I was living in L.A. That guy. Yeah. And I said to him, you know, I really want to get myself into the gym.

He's well, why don't you? And I said, I just don't have the time. And he's like, find the time. He's like, find the time.

He's like, if it's important to you, you'll find the time. And it was just great advice because it's like, you know, everybody kind of makes excuses for things. And I, and I always,

And I had said the same thing when it came through like YouTube or anything too. I used to when I used to teach a class from Markey Costello and I said that I was like, you know, people always say, well, I don't have time to manage a YouTube channel. I said, what was the last TV show you watch? I said, I watched this, this and this. I said, well, why did you watch that? Instead of doing a YouTube video. Right.

It's like you don't have to do those other things. You choose to and you can for your own enjoyment, but there is time. And can you make the time for it? So I was thinking about all that today. And the other thing, I had very high cholesterol. I was, yeah, it wasn't, you know, a lot of different things. So I was like, I got to take care of myself, my family, everything, too. So this is the little, I'm only going to show this once this week,

but this is the kind of progression picture that I have. Those are the two. Oh, look at that. Yeah, so the on the right is from today. Why is the other guy so angry? The other guy, the other guy is a mess, the doughy, a doughy mess. But, you know, you're going to show the good stuff. You got to show your bad stuff.

So either way. And I had gotten messages as much as my friend John broke my balls about. I got a lot of message from people. And I even see Princess Positive saying that I inspired her to get into the gym. And I love that. And Sam's going into the gym now. People are going in. And Ming really helped me out.

So that's it. That's great. I love it. It's fantastic. You know, years ago I got shit on Collider Live or whatever when I said to people like, you can afford to go to the movies if you know how to manage your money. and money is just like time. If you know how to manage your time,

you can do things. If you know how to manage your money, you can afford things. It wasn't not being insensitive to people's time because obviously we're not talking about a mother with three kids and two jobs. Like that's another ballgame. But most people have time to go to the gym. I use Sam as an example. Sam is so busy, dude.

Like she's certain and with her kids and she found time. As I saw someone said, no fiancee plus work, he goes no time. It's just simply not true. And I say that from someone who again, two kids, wife, job, doing all that stuff, saying the same thing. I just don't have time to do it.

You can find it. It's just a matter of when. You got to want it. Just like anything in life, you've got to want it, and you've got to make the time for it and make the effort for it. Right.

That's what the exchange is. Because like you said, you can fill your days. You've got 24 hours. Right. Michael Jordan the other day in that interview in NBC, talking about NBA load management.

He goes, you play games three hours of the day. What are you doing with the other 21? That's the thing you have to look at life like that. Like what am I doing with the extra hours? And if you're being honest with yourself, you'll see that you do have time to do this. It's really what it is. It's a matter of like I used to, I'm telling you, I used to tell myself all of the time. I don't have time.

I really just don't. I can't. It's a matter of time it takes me to do this and this. You find the time. And it's intimidating too. And I'm not going to lie. When I first, and that's why I called me because like he has been a friend since like first grade. And I did not feel like, you know,

in there, he would be like, it doesn't really matter how, how heavy the weights are and he's just going to do it. You're just going to do it. You're just going to do it. He put me on this routine. And I remember he went out of town one week. And that's why I moved the show.

I moved the show at one point to whatever it was 2 o'clock because I wanted to fit his schedule, you know, because he was going out of his way to do that for me. And eventually, once I got confident enough to do it on my own, I moved the show back so I can, you know, appease everybody else and do what we were doing. But either way,

I remember like he went out of 10 on a vacation and I was like and I walked into the gym like I don't know if I can do this without him and I'm like she's sack up just fucking do it it's intimidating especially as we get older bro because it's like it takes longer to get back into that it takes more of a commitment and you're you're you can't naturally avoid comparing yourself to seeing younger people who are working out and so you feel like okay at least for me I know for me sometimes I get intimidated thinking all people go look at me look at this guy he's not he's not shape, we can't lift. And people, and when you realize in the gym that it's, and you might get somebody like that, but the most part, they don't care. It's like they're focusing on their own shit. And they're doing it. Yeah. And I really love the place that I'm at right now. So anyway, I just wanted to share that with people. John, we were talking about the Oscars and awards and all that stuff too. Now, the question's going to be, I think we're going to be on different pages here as far as how much wicked is going to get any notice at all or should, rather. Right. But we both will agree it did pretty damn well.

It was amazing. What a weekend. So let's go over this. We'll read the report. Usually Dark Horizons talks about what's upcoming with the potential box office. Then we show you the actual number. So here is Wicked for Good. It's John Roker.

Perfect. It always does this thing. Casts a box office spell. I know. It's like every time. I know. All right, Wicked for Good cast a box office spell. Here we go.

The second Wicked film cast a major spell at the box office this weekend all around the world. Tidal is opened to 150 million domestically and 226 million worldwide, considerably above the 112 million domestic and 164 million worldwide start of the first film. The result has been multiple records shattered. It's the biggest domestic and global opening ever for a Broadway show adaptation for a November opening musical and for its two female leads and director. Second biggest domestic opening for a universal film. Wow.

Second biggest, really? Second biggest domestic opening for a universal film? Ever? Seems like. Over Jurassic World? Yeah. Wow. The second biggest domestic opening for,

maybe that was the first. For any film in 2025, the second biggest pre- Thanksgiving weekend opening, the third highest opening weekend for a movie musical, and the third highest opening weekend for a film debuting in November. Though the critics reviewed were mixed, the cinema's score is strong. A, an audience voted polls are soaringly decidedly high. The film was especially big in the UK and Australia. Ladder getting surprised when Jonathan Bailey unexpectedly showed up in Sydney last night at an IMAX screening of the film, with the press tour over, the actor returned to where it all began for the first film's press tour to surprise his sister nieces and audiences with an appearance. The film flattened everyone else. Last weekend's topper, now you see me, now you don't.

fell 57% to second place with 9.1, Predator Badlands, and third was 6.2. And Running Man, fourth, with 5.8. Rental Family and Fifth. Oh, I watched that too. Yeah, I watched that too. I got to see that one. Yeah, I like that one as well. And newcomer Cslero rode to Revenge debut in sixth $2.2.M.

Let's see. So we're going to go to the box office mojo here and see what the actual totals are. If you, again, look at Wicked for Good. You've got 226 overall, as they just mentioned. What did Predator Banlands do so far? I think Predder Ballas got 159. Yeah. Yeah, pretty good for that one.

Running Man even though coming in five points. It's so funny they said that someone tweeted and said it surpassed the Arnold one. And I'm like like, like 1987 with the budget of the Arnold was probably like what, 12 million or something like that? If that. If that. And this is 48 million so far. So that was my favorite thing. It's too much.

Rental family, 3.3 million. Who knows how much that. I mean, the fact, how much that movie cost to make it by anything. And yeah, now you see me, now you don't. With 146 so far, pretty good hit, I would say, for that one. Let's just get it to Wicked because you, you, and I said this tonight, and you know me, I never, I never say things on the air when you're not here that I wouldn't say to you on the air. And I said, I knew you were, I knew how you were going to feel the second you looked at your friends tweet.

I knew it. And I'm not, and I'm not, let me finish, let me finish. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that it influenced you. I'm not. I'm saying also that it was in your mind going, okay, here's someone I respect, that I'm going to go in, and I'm going to at least, I'm going to see his points. I'm going to make my own decision off of it, and I'm going to watch it.

I'm not saying that you weren't being genuine. Of course you were. Right. But I'm saying that I, it definitely was in your mind as you're watching it because of someone that you valued. Otherwise, you wouldn't look at the person's. Oh, sure. But I had a number of friends like Scott Mansell and my friend,

Vogel. They went to the premiere and liked the film as well. And so for me, I had all those opinions. my mind. But just like the first Wicked film, I went in with my arms folded, thinking I wasn't going to like the movie because I didn't like any of the trailers leading up to Wicked. I didn't think they were that great. Oh, the first one? Yeah, for the first one. So when I saw the movie, I was like blown away. So it was a great, nice surprise to enjoy it. So I went in wondering if I was going to like it or not. Yeah, I think everybody's opinions, but I always go in with my own,

let my own natural reactions to things happen. And so, yeah, and I went back a second time. I went back a second time the next day. Just to get a better assumption. Just get a really good idea of what I felt about the movie because there are some good things in the film. But I think overall the film is not that great. Okay. And that's unfortunate, in my opinion. Fair.

I disagree or not necessarily disagree. I have a different opinion. Your opinion is your opinion. I will say what I do agree with is that the second half is significantly stronger than the first. Yes. The last 20, 30 minutes of the film were fantastic. Yes. And I also agree, and this is just, and I don't think this is a movie problem as much as just, it's the story and the Broadway problem, too, is that the music is significantly stronger in the first movie than it is in this one. Yeah, in the first act. There's, there's just nothing really memorable in it. Where I think we differ is, I thought Cynthia Reeva was super strong, and I liked her better in this one than I did in the first one. That's, I think she was just as strong here as she was in the first one. Yeah, I was never. in your camp with not thinking she wasn't a standout in the last one.

So, you know, it wasn't the should standout. It was the fact that I thought R. Anna was more of a standout in the first one. That's fair. That's fair. And I just, I think she delivered solid work because she's a incredible actress. Yeah.

It was great. But, but I think the film, uh, they made a really bold decision to go with a black woman to play Elfaba and have the subtle racial commentary throughout, right? I think it's relevant for what the whole point is.

Yeah. Yeah. And then you see the thing. the thing in the second film and in this particular film. And I think they dropped the ball and the guys over the ring and really broke it down and how it looks and how it appears. And I think that's a thing that they didn't think all the way through how this was going to kind of maybe bite them in the ad.

Because they didn't deal with that decision powerfully in the second film, it undercuts the film itself. Well, that's, I guess that would be my, that would be my question then to you is when you or they say it's going to bite them and he asked. the question is, well, how do you mean? Because monetarily, you would, if you're, that's what you're saying, you'd be incorrect. If you're talking about, sure, sure, sure. If you're talking about awards, maybe.

Well, I just story line wise, because like, sure, but basically, yeah, but who's the person of color with all the power and all the magic and all the abilities and it was rebelling initially, she's the one that has to sacrifice herself for the white woman with no power, no magic, no abilities, so she can have a journey of discovery. And that's where it looks kind of not great, right? If you go that direction. Sure, but I also think that's a- Who are noticing that and bringing that up and reviews.

And I think it's fair. And for all the people like, there's Roca bringing race again. No, no, but it really is a part of the move. I think it is, but I agree, but what I will say on that,

it's also interpretation, right? Like there are some people who very well could feel that way and be in your camp and that could damper the move to them, but there's going to be, as we both will agree, that won't look at it that way at all. And like someone like just because you're too young to even think about that. But like my eight year old obviously is going to be thinking about that.

And that's who's going to be repeating the business. And as far as this movie is going to be monetarily a huge hit. I thought it was going to be something where maybe it was going to take a hit on repeat viewings because of the critics reviews. That had nothing to do with anything. People are going to, if you love this movie, you're going to go back and see it a million times over. And the critics sort seemed like it. Now, awards is the conversation that we should get into.

Go ahead. because I feel like Ariana Grande and Cynthia Revo have a very strong case of being nominated. I was going to say that this movie delivered. If you and I were both raving about this movie right now, I'd say John M. Chu would probably get nominated as well. I don't think he's going to get nominated, unfortunately. I think he should have been nominated last time.

Yes. And he won the Freaking Critics Choice Awards, but he got nominated for nothing else. I think that Grande, Revo will get nominated. he will not, the movie will not. I think the movie will not be nominated for Best Picture. As I tweeted out yesterday, looking at all the films that are coming out

over the last couple of months, I think it has a chance to get nominated for Best Picture, and especially because the critics are, you know, kind of not 100% on board with it. And I also, but I don't think Cynthia is going to get nominated. I'll tell you, I don't think so, even though I thought she was great. Really?

I just think they're going to overlook her. And I think they're going to nominate Ariana for sure. I think, well, I don't know, for sure. Maybe. I think she's certainly a lot of people think she's a shoe in, but as you said, I think this is one of the most weirdest years for nominations. You don't know who the hell is going to get nominated. Now it's all going to go down.

So there's a very real chance that she misses out because the reviews have not been great for the movie. And yes, people have liked her in the film. Certainly there are people, Ariana Stons are all over my feed going crazy at my opinion on this whole thing. And so there are certainly a strong power, but are they going to be enough to get her across the line? Because there's still

more stuff coming down the road. And I think it's, and I said this I tweeted this out in a number of places. I think it's category fraud that they're trying to put her into Best Supporting Actress. She is the main, she is the main story of the movie. We don't get flashbacks of Cynthia Rivo's character in this movie. We get flashbacks of her,

and she's the one that has to go on the bigger journey of the movie. And by the end, we end with her. And so to me, this is all very clearly, Glynda's film with Elfabah having her storyline wrapped up, but it's very much Glenda's film. I think you make nonsense. I think you make very valid points, but I also think that we will probably both agree.

There have been way other, there have been, like other roles that people have been nominated for best supporting, or actress, and you're like, wait a minute. Right, right, right. You know, and this one you could make the argument. I think your argument,

honestly, is stronger for why she should be best actress, but I can see the argument for supporting. And people try to say like, oh, it's called wicked. As if like her name is Elphaba wicked or Wicked Elphaba. That's not her fucking name. Right. But I mean, you could word is a play on is really wicked.

If we were having a debate on it, right? You would be like, well, the main focus is the side of the dead. Alvaba has gone on the run. She is like the lead rebellion against everybody else. She's the one that is ultimately has this entire rift through Oz. and it's focused on her and her loan, and then you've got Ariana Grana. You can make the argument.

I still think your argument is better, but I'm just saying in general. We'll see. But nonetheless, we both agree she'll probably be nominated for Best Supporting Actress. I think she will be, I think in the end,

they will go that route, yeah. But we'll see. We'll see in general. The reason I think it's not because I think Arianna did a bad performance. I think it's a more a matter of, I think Universal is trying to cheat their way into an Oscar for her instead of putting her,

because they know she's got no shot if they put her in the best actor's category, but submitting her best supporting, she has a better shot. What it unfortunately does, though, is move out another performance from another female actress that is supporting that could have been nominated. Yeah, probably could have won. And I think that's what's unfair about the whole situation. Yeah, that should happen, but that shit happens all the time.

I know. I hear that about it. I know, I know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I still, and you and I are on the opposite sides of things when it comes to the Andrea Riceboro side of it all. Like I just think that was one of the best performances of the year hands down.

And it's just because, unfortunately, the way that she got nominated, that people have such an issue with it. But she's, have you seen the movie? No, you still not. Have you seen the movie? I feel like you might change your tune if you see it, because it's just such a strong performance. I won't change what you about her, about how she got nominated, but I probably didn't know that her nomination. That's what that's what I'm saying, more so about that would, should she have been nominated is the question. Not not, not, not whether or not you feel like the way it happened was, oh, okay, I, I accept that now.

Of course not. But I think, yeah. Anyway, we'll see. Now, the other question with Wicked, what kind of drop off are we going to see? Because, you know, you got Zootopia. Zootopia is still, I feel, is going to, is going to take the cake here. It's going, it's going to win overall because I've mentioned it every single time

that one of these movies comes out. It's like, this is one that, even my little one was like, I want to go see that in the theater. Like, yeah, if you get one that kids are also hopping on board for and fans of the original are hopping on board for, this is one of those movies that's got a shot to do something really special in general. Plus you say it's good. You know, and it's shorter.

Yes. So I think overall it'll beat Wicked. I think it'll beat it next weekend. But what kind of drop do you think we're going to see? I think we're going to see, I don't think we're going to see as big of a drop as we normally see with these big event films, right? We've seen what, 60, 70 percent? Because it's a holiday weekend.

And I think a lot of people are hanging out with friends and family for Thanksgiving and maybe flying into town, even with all the travel delays and the madness of all that. And they're going to want to go see a movie together. And a lot of them are going to go see Wicked. That's very much a family film. Yeah, I saw with my family. Yeah, right. You can see adults and children going to see Wicked too. I don't know necessarily that that Zootopia 2 will dig into that as strongly as people were thinking. I think for me, the third weekend is where we're going to see the legs of this film because they don't have anything to challenge them. Not until I have a turn. Two or three weeks after that in December. So

I think they're going to have a nice run in the next two weeks, and then we'll see what happens in those two weeks after to see where the box office is. Michael is convinced that it will cross a billion. I am not. Zootopia? No, um, Wicked. No chance.

Bet him anything that you can. Yeah, I think if it breaks 700 million, considering the reviews. How is he normally at box office? He sounds like he's terrible. It's just this one. I think because he has a vested interest.

Yeah. But Zutopia, too. I don't, I can't, tell. Like, Lilo and Stitch, I had no idea that was going to cross a billion dollars of the live action version. That was fine. But I didn't think it was that great. That's what I'm telling you. I can't predict Utopia too. Don't bet against the kids. I know, you're right. I have no idea what it's going to do. No. Anyway, so what do you guys say? What do you make of everything that we've been

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We have our, we have our thoughts. Did you see that thing that came out? Oh, it was like the other day was with the writer. One of the writers are rebels. It was, Henry Gilroy,

maybe. Not Dan Gore, Henry, Henry Gilbert, right? And I'm paraphrasing here. I think it was something along. Did you see this?

No, it was something like he, they were on. when he was working on rebels and they were talking in the room about and it came up that Sabine should be force sensitive and and glory and other people like no it doesn't make it you shouldn't need to be the whole point of the dark sabres you get the saber anybody can use the saber but she's such a warrior inside the mandolorean culture and it said cooler heads prevailed and they stayed that way and it made the show so much better he said he wasn't involved in Assoca and was shocked to see that happen yeah in Assoca and thought it diminished character. I couldn't agree with him more. Yeah. I think most people do, but it looks like, you know, fold my arms, top my cowboy hat, and I do whatever I want to do type scenario, and that's what happened.

So, um, but you have heard things on acolyte about creative control. I've heard some other things creative control, but let's see what Sean Levy says. Now is this politics or real? Let's, let's see. So here is the, um, the top of here. Sean Levy is talking about Star Wars, Starfighter, and then creative freedom. He's got, uh, here we go. Sean Levy is currently doing a bit of promotion for the final season of Stranger Things, which is launching next week. That's pretty nuts.

While at the same time is still in the midst of production on the new Star Wars film, as has been previously reported, the project is an all new standalone adventure, rumored to be set five years after the defeat of Palpatine, Palpatine, Palpatine. Yeah. Have you used your newest Palpatine? but dying air freshener. And the first order in Star Wars, The Rise of Skywalker. Speaking with Kim Masters on the business podcast, we had the playlist recently, Sean Levy said he was surprised

and how much trust and creative freedom he received from Lucasfilm in regards to the film and how unexpected liberating it has been, says Lucasfilm first approached him in August 2022. Kathleen Kennedy said, I want you to do a Star Wars movie, and I said, well, what's it a prequel to? What's a sequel to? Which one is it? The answer was it's whatever you want it to be. You pick the writer, you pick the story, just to do it with the feelings that your movies have. That led to him suggesting, let's make an entirely original Star Wars movie, and he brought

in Jonathan Dropper to help write it. From there, Lucasfilm was the one pushing it to be more and more standalone. There's no mandate or interference other than the constant encouragement, make this new, and that's the truth. Every time I've asked, should I use this character that was maybe in that movie? Every time it's, you know what, people have seen that do something new. Unlike Solo, unlike Rises Skywalker, which was a sequel to two other movies and ultimately a ninth film in the Star Wars saga, Starfighter is all new characters based on new ideas that Jonathan and I cooked up alone and together. It's in a time period that has never been in a Star Wars movie.

It's not about legacy characters. And while it does have, I hope, the sense of joy and adventure that a new hope introduces us back to 77, this is a new Star Wars adventure. I'll be as at Lucasfilm's attitude has been quite incredibly hands-off throughout the process. So as he experienced in his trip to celebration in Japan, it seemed like he's well aware of the pressure he's under. So far, I have more freedom on this movie. It's equal to say than any other movie, I've made,

including the originals like Free Guy and the Adam Project. It's still terrifying. Let me make that clear. You still want to get it right. The appetite of the fan base and the expectations of the fan base are intense, and it's palpable. Not palpitite. What I learned at celebration is the thirst for something new at this moment in time, so I feel lucky that's what I'm making right now.

Okay. Let me ask you this. Yes. Because I wonder if we're going to be on the same page here. Okay. Do you believe this? I believe some of it. and I also believe this is Sean Levy

politicking because Sean Levy is not a guy who's going to be confrontational. Sean Levy's not a guy who's going to bite the hand that feeds him. But I also think this is very possible because Kathleen has done it a certain way and it has gotten a lot of people upset in the Star Wars fandom.

So for her to say, look, you've proven what you can do with Deadpool. You've got Carpalanche here, do what you can do, and you're not tied to the mythology and all of the canon and I'll just do something that fits within the pocket Star Wars universe, do not violate anything, just have fun with it. I'm not surprised she would do that because she probably trusts him as a filmmaker.

So I do believe a majority of this, but I also think this is a little bit of him politicking because there's no way they didn't have conversations about something not to do. Well, I think it's politicking for sure, but I believe it 100%. And I believe it 100% because of a few different reasons. Yeah. The first is whether you're talking to someone, in 2022 or not.

Since that time, the guy made a billion-dollar movie and that's the last movie that he did. Exactly. Now, it's different than Colin Chavarro, that's what happened, Travara. It wasn't. Colin Chavarro did a big movie

in, you know, Jurassic World made a billion dollars, and then he made Book of Henry and everybody... Yep. So, you know, there's... There's that. The other thing is,

which I think he might have shot himself in the foot for, is if it's not true, well, then he shouldn't said a damn thing. Well, that's true. Movies, thanks. You can't now say, well, look, they put their hands in it.

There's only so much I can do. This is on you, brother. Yep. 100% of it. So they're probably like, ooh, good. I'm glad you said that. Because they can't get the pushback for it because it does fit into that who's the big hot nude director or the big director right now and everybody loves.

But what I like is the idea that I like his tones and stuff when it's done. Real steel. you got me the type of tone of real steel in Star Wars? Great. And it's also probably relaxing to Lucas film. And one of the reasons I think that, yeah, don't put anybody else in it because we don't want the audience to go, oh, well, you use that person, you shouldn't have done that.

Right. You ruined it. Why did you do that? You can't, I mean, the only thing that you might wonder of, and then we got to see if there is a post-credit scene or whatever it might be, are they setting up? anything to do this is rumors about Ray showing up. Yes.

So you're going to have those conversations clearly. Like, hey, can you put Ray in there because we're setting this up? Or can I use Ray? And is that going to be setting up anything? If that indeed is the case, it didn't show up, then you're just setting everything up. What's so important about this is it if it is a massive hit, he is going to basically be in the JJ seat after Force Awakens. That's a really interesting. point of view on this.

If it does well. Now remember, I've made it very clear that Mandalorian and Grogan, many people what I can predict in the future. Yeah. Whether if it does well, Mandalorian and Grogave it, to me, doing well is anywhere over 500 million.

Sure. Okay. Sure. If it does, because it only costs $120 million to make, whatever, and it's essentially a television show. So if it does 500 or you know, anybody who is, you know, the everything is awesome crew is going to and be like, it's the, Star Wars is back, it's huge, it's great. No, it's not. And then if it does anything under or even 500, everybody who hates Star Wars is, it's, it's over, Star Wars is dead,

it's done. It's not. This is just an experiment in general of can they make their money back on their television show, right? Now, both of those people can have an argument to be made on Starfighter. If Starfighter, yeah, overperforms and does great, that means people, are looking forward to new Star Wars, new things, new things, and Star Wars is back? Maybe. The flip side. If people are making videos going, no one cares about this movie, even the Deadpool and Wolverine guy couldn't get them to go into the theater.

It cost $200 million or $250 to make, and it made $400 million. Those people have an argument to be made. Well, I think it's dangerous to slide into any generalized judgments over these two movies, Because they are anomalies, right? One is a standalone, supposedly, supposedly, which is Starfighter. And the other one is, like you said, the culmination of a TV show. So to me, Star Wars isn't back until they nail the trilogy again, another trilogy. Yeah, but how many failures are people going to have until they say enough is enough?

Well, I don't. With this leadership. Look, well, that's a fair. That's a whole conversation. And I don't think, well, I mean, Kathleen is leaving, regardless of all. all her protest. She is leaving. Fuloni's going to get it and it's going to do the same shit. So this is a conversation to be had

with a lot of people's sacred cow, and that's Bob Iger. Like this is where it has to go to. He is running Disney. So if he's going to approve Faloni coming in, then the blamler of what happens afterwards goes to Faloni and, or Kerry Beck,

and Bob Iger. If they put those two in charge, Kerry Beck is a good executive, so I understand. If Beck pair were to somebody else, if they put pheloni in charge of it they deserve everything that they get i think they're thinking it's going to be gun and saffern and they are not gun and saffern and gunn and saffern don't have an amazing success so far they've decent success i mean sure but i think superman is a way it's a man people are excited about dc again because of what they would like to see on the star war side of things

and i don't think mandolarian nor do i think uh starfighter is the path for is the is the thing that's going to be like oh yeah star wars is back those are singular filmmakers to establish themselves outside. But you're setting a new tone, John. You're setting a new tone in general. That's the thing. You could. You could.

That's the thing is that it's... Until the sick holes, I don't buy anything. I mean, look, you're... I don't think that's an unfair point to have. The question is, you know, did they learn from past mistakes? You know, like, have they set a new tone or none? And that's why I think, like, that's... It's more about for me, and I guess maybe less about the brand,

because a brand, I don't disagree with you. I always has the opportunity. And like any of the brand, like, Karate Kid can... can come back like that. It's more for me about, you know, again, looking at it like a sports term. All right. You know what? We use this lineup.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we use the lineup and we won the damn game. Yeah. We put that person in the number one spot and we thought that it was going to work. And we lost by 10 points or 10 runs, whatever. That to me, then you go, well, why is that person still coaching? That's more so for me is that I don't think that after Mandeloy and Grogu, you go, Uh-oh, it's more so like if Starfighter, you got to, you, if it bombs,

yeah, and you still put Faloni in the lead, then everybody should be fired, like everybody. But is this a Faloni decision? Because you can say this is a Kathleen decision. Yeah, but she's going to be gone. In charge of the creative side of things. I know. Kathleen at the end of the day. 100%.

But she's only going to be there for so long. I know. But I think this movie's going to do well. I really do. I think it's going to, yeah. I think it's going to do well. I think this is going to be the first one that actually gets, and maybe I'm just being optimistic.

I've done it before. I did this with Acolyte, and I was wrong. I think that this could be the one in the same way that season one and season two of Mandalorian got the fan base back together for a brief time. The fan base was back together for those first two seasons. They were. And then it all fell to shit again. But I think that Starfighter has the opportunity to do that.

Maybe I'm being an optimistic schmuck. I don't know. No, I think this is. fair. I mean, the fall guy falling apart not doing well gives me a little pause on the Ryan Gosling star ability to get people in the theater. But I agree. But Sean Levy, as you said, $1.5 billion for Deadpool and Wolverine shows that the people like his taste, his approach to things. Sure. And I think what you just said earlier negates the Fall Guy of it all is that it's Star Wars really that are getting people in the theater. Like Fall Guy wasn't getting

anybody in the theater. And people weren't avoiding the theater because of Ryan Gosson. He doesn't give a shit about fall guy. It was like it. It was okay, great. I'll watch it when it's on TV. But Star Wars with Orion Gossing and it is more, you know, like exciting for people, I think. Can be, but also because the fall guy's not that well known, that fall was like shocking. Yeah, it was bad. I mean, the movie was good. People were going to be cheering against Starfighter failing if it's not good. That's correct. It's more precipitous fall when you look at it that way. Yes, that's true. We'll see. I'm very curious to what you guys make of all of this.

Do you think that this movie's got a shot to do something special? Or is it too little too late at this point? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. John, we talked about the paramount thing to, you know, last week to death. I'm sure you did too on your show. There's so many different things going on. But one of the things is the question is the HBO Max side of it all.

And, well, since the HBO Max chief was talking about, they failed rebranding in general, which you got HBO Max, Max, HBO Max, that's what it is now. Rebranding it. One of the most obvious failures in recent rebranding would have to be HBO's short-lived conversion to just Max. Stupid. I remember when we discovered that. So why would you take HBO out of it?

One of the biggest brands in television, like ever. It was so stupid. 2023, Warner Bros. Discovery announced that HBO Max stream would just be, simply branded as Max. Confusing decision that never caught on that much, many wondering why they kept up the value of the HBO brand name. Then in May of this year, Warner Bros. Discovery announced Max would be renamed once again,

this time going back to the original HBO Max. Speaking to reporters at HBO Max's New York offices this week, Casey Boys spoke about that failed rebranding, calling it a misstep in the race to catch up to Netflix. As a result, the return to the HBO Max name was all about getting back to HBO's original mission statement, quality over quantity, he tells the Hollywood report. The Netflix's credit as the first mover,

they've become a utility for consumers. In retrospect, we can all see that the streaming industry's raised for volume years ago found many brands losing their identity. Netflix is the basic cable of today. And in today's world, consumers still want to add to their entertainment portfolio with must-have truly unique programming that only we can deliver. We looked at all that research, came back to what they want. Our HBO originals pay one movies, the Warner Bros. TV library,

the procedurals, for lack of a better word, but the elevated network that we're working on, documentaries, comedy specials, we just came back from trying to offer too much, so we are trying to be very specific in what people value from us and want from us. Another issue was confusion between HBO series like The Penguin and The Last of Us with Max Originals like Doom Patrol, raised by Wolves and Peacemaker, with the reversion that's been cleared up a bit. I can say now that Max Originals serve a very specific purpose.

We are leaning into more cost-efficient, yet elevated and high-quality series with a greater number of episodes that can return each year. These originals are designed to attract audiences that are adjacent to the typical HBO fans, while also feeding our strategy to deliver 52 weeks of programming, new programming a year. HBO, Max, and discovery of between over 125 million global subscribers as of late 2025. I think that a lot of times, and rightfully so, when executives and other people say things and do things that are, you're like, what are you talking about? You call them out on it.

I think the same should be said about when you go, Good for you for being honest. Yeah. I loved, I loved this statement. Good on Casey was. He said, look, we took a shot. Yeah. You know, we were trying to catch up.

We were trying to do things. It wasn't working. Yeah. I love that. Because I'm like, okay, trust you. It's like you said, we looked at it. We looked at it. We looked at it.

It was a bad move. But instead, we looked instead and said, okay, this is what we're going to do here. We're going to do here. And then when they asked them about what, what's the difference between the two? I was basically, we're just going to not have the big budgets over here, but we're going to still focus on quality.

But the thing. that maybe don't normally lean of what we do here, that way it can be established here. I loved this statement. I thought it was great. I thought it was honest. And it's the kind of thing you know, okay,

I understand why this guy's in a position that he's in. Right. Yeah, a good statement. Notice that he didn't say, you know, who was in charge and making these decisions because he was in charge of making these decisions. So I think this is a moment where you look at it and go, look, it's a mea culpa.

As much as you're going to get from an executive, because you know, question they are notoriously not open about accepting blame for anything and it was a big mess but the truth is it didn't affect the quality of the program and in the end at the end of the day you can survive rebranding mistakes if the quality of your stuff stays consistent and the only for you frustrated your audience by changing the names and forced them to say it differently it's funny can't say pronouns we can say HBO max or max oh correctly but anyway there's in this whole situation yeah you're see that whole this change.

Like, that's too difficult, but rebranding my favorite channel, that I can handle. But you see people getting upset about this stuff, and rightfully so, because it was stupid. It was legitimately stupid. And they took a chance and then ended up all the way back where they started. But look, this is business. And you're always going to try new things. They're clearly successful and have a decades long track record of being successful doing this. So in the end, they realized, look, people just want it back to where it was.

But I also think there's a little bit of this, Christian, which I don't, not sure if you think this way as well. but they're looking to sell. And what's the best way to sell this thing? Sure. It's to rebrand it to where people like it again before you sell it. So it maintains its price or elevates its price because people hear this and go, okay, that's something that I do want to buy or I do want to have. And it's now fixed its branding issues, which is one less headache on our plate.

100% because of the, look, the HBO name alone for what it did with TV and the things that did whether it, Sopranos, I mean, hell, man, Dream On was a, I remember those days. Yeah, Dream on was good. Brian Benfin. I remember him. Dream on was to me so ahead of its time. Yes. A hot, a streaming show that people who didn't really understand like what you could do with television on a cable level. And they started doing it, whether it's sex in the city, you know, sopranos, Oz, you know, all those different things. Like, it's got a name to itself and what it's been able to. to do and build that it's really quality stuff. So when you just turned it to max,

especially for the legacy that it had, you just took away that entire legacy. It's like even like when WWF had to change. Yeah, that's different. They changed to WWE. Yeah. You know, they didn't change it to like something completely different. They changed it WWE, WWF.

They just had to do it. Yeah. So I think this is more. I really like Casey Moore's statement a lot there. You too. It's ugly. What do you guys think? Did you like the statement out? Do you agree with John that this is probably also to build up the, the sale? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know.

Avengers is coming up. It's right around the corner. Now, Hugh Jackman was talking about it. And Hugh Jackman, they're asking, obviously any interview he does now, they're going to be asking. Anybody who is ever involved with the X-Men films or Avengers or MCU or Marvel in general, people are going to ask him about doomsday and secret. So especially Hugh Jackman. So Hugh Jackman hints at a Wolverine return in Avengers movies. I mean, come on. Maybe I'm never saying never again. If you have any money that you want to bet and you can bet it at a casino that Hugh Jackman is going to return in one of these movies, you do that.

You're not going to get good odds on it because he's stupid. Of course he's going to be in this movie. But here's what he says. Deadpool and Wolverine story, Hugh Jackman has addressed the rumors that he's set to return as Logan and one or both of the upcoming Avengers movies. Hugh Jackman officially retired, so we thought, is Wolverine after James Mangold's Logan, but the actor was convinced to Don the Clause and Mutton Chops again for a team-up with Ryan Reynolds, Merck with the mouth in Marvel Studios R-rated Blockbuster, Deadpool Wolverine. It was assumed that the 2024 movie would be a Jackman's actual swan song as the favorite

mutant hero, but rumors persist he'll be back in Doomsday and or Avengers, Secret Wars. We've also heard they might be part of Reynolds' untitled X project, possible take on new X-Force. Jackman's name was not announced as part of the chair revoke deal, but we'd be very surprised if he didn't appear in Secret Wars, at least, when asked about his potential Logan reprisal during an appearance on the Graham Norton show the actor hinted at, but stopped short of confirming. Maybe. I'm never saying never again. I've done 10 films now, so I think they have enough for an AI version of me. Though Jackman was clearly joking with the AI remark. The concept probably isn't all that far-fetched over the past week. We've seen numerous

AI-generated images flood the internet, and a lot of them are pretty convincing, including this leaked behind-the-scenes shot of Jackman alongside Toby McGuire, Pedro Viscala, and director Joe Russo. It's pretty damn good, dude. I know what? We're so, we're so, it's crazy. That's, I mean,

that's crazy. Look at that. That looks, I mean, yeah. We're screwed. But I was looking at a picture, like,

it was a picture of, like, it was a picture of, like, that AI, I'm like, no, it's not AI.

I got a funny story about her too. She's, she's going to be, if she wants to be, she's going to be a comedian. I'll talk about it a second. There's a lot of speculation that Jackman's Wolverine, ultimately,

join the new X-Men roster as the MCU's Mutant Saga progresses, though new actors will almost certainly take over most of the roles, including a newer, younger version of a character like Logan, especially when they've become synonymous, one particular actor over the past 25 years. It's going to be a tricky prospect for Marvel slash Disney, so we wouldn't be surprised if Jackman and possibly some of the other OG cast that are set to return for Joomsday, stick around and mentor-like roles.

I don't think many of them, many of them are going to survive past the first one. Jackman might, but don't, don't assume that the rest of them are going to stick around. Would you be happy to see Jackman continue to play Wolverine, yada, yada, y'all. Okay. Yeah. So we both think slash, no, he's going to be in, uh, doomsay. Of course. It'd be moronic to bring back all of the X-Men from that universe and not have him.

You got to have him. Right. I mean, you have to have him. Now, here's the two or three crazy things. First, as I said, I think most of the X-Men from Fox are finally going to get crapped out in this way. I think Doom's going to take him out. I think Wolverine survives. I think he makes it to Secret Wars.

And I'll tell you this and what I hate you about it. I think he survives past Secret Wars. Yep. And I think that even when they have a new Wolverines, new X-Men or whatever, I still think he's going to be running around the joint as Wolverine somehow. I think it's a mistake, but I think it's going to happen. I don't like the idea of an X-Force thing with him and running. Reynolds. Let's let's put it to sleep. I understand money-wise, but let's put it to sleep. What do you make of us? First of all, you're a damn fool for saying that about X-Force.

They made $1.5 billion, Chris? No, I understand. I understand. I'm just saying I'm just over it at this point. It's like, let's move on. Yeah, no, I think this is, I think this is great for Hugh. Honestly, you know, he's an older actor and I'm looking forward to song sung Blue. But, you know, these are the things that he's known for. Yes, he tries to veer out of his lane and do more dramatic stuff but it rarely works out for him and this is where he makes his money this is his bread and butter and being on stage and both of those things he enjoys madly it's a second career renaissance as this character because ryan and the people now at the mc of marvel like really value him now and all over again and we'll arguably put him in possibly better movies than those x-men movies no offense to anybody

who loves all of them but like there was a lot of wasted potential with some of the movies that he was in so the fact that they're going to hopefully put him in better film and give him a second career in this. And you're right. We're heading towards Old Man Logan, which is a massive series in the comic book world. So we could get that because remember, Deadpool Wolverine is,

there's a lot of different Wolverines that were in multiple dimensions. Right. With different stories. So is this the same Wolverine that was in the main X-Men universe? Or is this the Wolverine that killed all the X-Men that had a great call? Great question. All kinds of ways to play this. That's a great question.

That's a great question. Because it's like, if you would assume if we are so attached to this new Wolverine that was with Deadpool Yeah that would be a way for them

to say because if you look at the other X-Men that you know I mean yeah it depends on what timeline right So it's very that's I didn't think about that To be honest it's a great question Because it's like what Wolverine shows up Because that's I guess a way to explain him Moving forward and past everything else too

Like he's able to survive and everybody else eats it That's great I mean, you got to get to see how they're going to go up. Because if they all show up, what's his reaction? What's he going to do? Right. I thought I killed you or you're from the other universe. Right.

And where am I? Where's that me? We're heading towards an old man Logan film 100%. That is going to rival the Logan film we got from Mango, which I think will be interesting. That's a good, it's a very good call. And one I didn't even think about it. It's a great question. All right.

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That's what I mean. Anyway. All right. Let's get into some questions. John last week congratulations you won it yeah surprise thank you you guys are amazing and you got an opportunity to win it again because like i said uh we're going to be doing a show tomorrow with roxy and mike those are i think you're real competition and then wednesday um depending i may i may or may not do a show i don't know it depends on something with the with the tv pilot um if i'm here

if i'm not here that i won't do what to do it i might just do a pre-tape but thursday no show and friday no show because of the holiday. So you've got a good shot to do this again at 25 right now. If not, I'll come back on Friday and do it again and try to win. You want to, if you want to host a show on Friday, I'm not going to be here, but you and Winston want to do it on Friday. We'll see. I mean, no, I must throw up to stuff. I'm going to be driving up to L.A. and back in one day on Thursdays. I didn't think so. I feel. You're going to be hung over from Turkey and gravy.

All right. Before we get into anything, John, what's going on? Hey, it's the John Roker channel, everybody. Come and hang out with us. Come on. We just crossed 40,000, 41,000 or 40,000 subscribers there. Head us, get us to 50,000. We'd love for y'all to come aboard here. We've got to review today of Wicked Micah Vogel and I, my resident gay geek buddy. We're going to break this thing down, spoiler review-wise today. And then we're going to eat the pluribus. And we're going to have welcome to dairy reviews coming tomorrow. Spill the tequila tomorrow. Hot Mike will be on Wednesday. We're not sure of the time. Jeff is on the East Coast now, traveled home over the weekend to be with

his family for Thanksgiving, Holly. So we'll let you know on Wednesday. show Thursday, probably something on Friday, maybe me going live for a few hours. So come hang out with us there, reactions, reviews, and hey, it's FYC time. So all those big movies, I got them on the app just like Kristen does. So there'll be reviews of those films and potential Oscar chances for those films as well. So come and hang out with us there on the John Roker channel.

Thanks, Christian. Yeah, please do. And like John was saying, too, I'm probably going to have a few reviews up this week as well, whether it's this thing on and Baltimore runs and all those just to have a few, different things going on on the chat. All right, let's get into it. 25 so far.

Can we get to 100? We shall see. Battery IV. Thumbail looks like Rokke is sniffing his fingers. I'm just doing this. What is that? What is it going to grow with people? It's possible.

Oh, I got to tell you, it's hilarious, by the way. So we were driving back from, this town we like to get frozen yogurt and we're driving back. And I can't remember what the first question was that my little one asked my wife. And then she goes like, so, well, what does healthy really mean? right so my wife said well you know healthy it's like she's when you're taking your body and making sure and she's like trying to find the words she's like so you know when you when you're healthy is and little one goes I don't care anymore it was the cold delivery and not even realized like

i don't even want to know anymore it took too long to answer it was like she said she was just over and i just i laughed so hard and i was like it was like she wasn't she did she's got like that thing She doesn't even realize how funny she is. Yeah. And she just has that thing. Like she does it all the time. Like little things that she says and it's hilarious. Like as I think I told this,

we're driving around like this is like two weeks ago. It was a really nice town that we were in. And for some reason, little one goes, you know, this place is a real dump. What are you talking about? And then we're sitting down and we're at this restaurant seating.

She's like, all right. kills me yeah jalen turner do you think the duffer brothers can give us a nice big original movie franchise movie franchise movie a movie movie or will it come from another director like cougler i mean what if i was going to bat on that two i would say cougars got the better shot right now only because what i mean duffer have been locked into tv right now

that's not to say that i their tv hasn't been phenomenal right um but what's their next plan. Do we know their plan? Yeah, and how many of them can make the jump? Like, that's the thing. Making the jump to theatrical is a big jump from being successful as, you know, being successful on TV. And, you know, the Rooster

brothers did it with Marvel, but that's also the safe place of Marvel with a big machine behind you outside of Marvel, not so successful. So will the Duffer brothers have that issue? And weren't they in line for a Star Wars movie, Kristen, as well? Or was that I don't know. I know. I know if they were, but I know that

the Game of Thrones got, Benny Off and Weiss were, and I still want to know the real story there. I know that, I know that Horowitz asked them about it and they were kind of like coy about it and maybe it was a, you know, NDA type thing, but they asked about the Mangold thing. I know for a fact. I know for a fact, 99.9% sure. Their story was thousands of years before and the formation of, you know, the force and all, it's very similar to what Mangold's doing. Right.

And what I think happened is that they didn't, it didn't work out with them. And then they loved the premise of it. And then they said to Mangled, how do you feel about doing something in that time period? He's like, great. I don't think he took any of their ideas. And Mangol doesn't need to do that. But I think that they probably said, hey, what about this time period? And then because they were like, yeah, it's kind of, yeah, they didn't really, you could tell that they wanted to say more than they did.

So I don't know about the Duffer brothers, though, in Star Wars. I have no idea. Yeah, we'll see. they could be interesting to come in and do a Star Wars movie for sure after they're done with this but they're at Paramount so I don't know if what I don't think they got that carved out their contract

so yeah good call Nathan Drake just watched Roof Man again it's such a crime that neither Dunst or Tainan will probably be nominated I agree with you and I'd like to see seeing France nominated for this one too because it was like a little different out of his wheelhouse too so it definitely is most cheerful movie that he's ever done and

and that's not saying much because it's not a super cheerful movie. There's some good light moments in it, but definitely more so than say the lighthouse, whatever, or not the lighthouse. What was it called? The one with Vakander and Fastbender. Shoot, whatever that was. The light beyond the oceans or something? Yes, that's what it was. Something like that. And then there's the place beyond the pines or whatever. And then blue velvet, just not feel good movies. But he's great. Look, Roofman is going to land right now. If I'm making a list, and I got to go through it, it could change, and it might change. It hits my top five right now.

But, you know, I got to see everything else. But right now it hits my top five. I loved that movie. I loved it. And I don't think it'll get, and no one will pay attention to that movie because it, unfortunately, was marketed almost looking like a bizarre comedy, which it's not. Right. So did you love it?

I haven't seen it yet. Wow. Yeah, it's not even on the app, which lets me know it's not to be a nominee. No, no. No, it's not even on there. That's a big indicator there. Yeah, they're not pushing it. That's a bummer.

Gen X, kid. Yo, fellas, tone shift and wicked two caught me off guard. I never went to see the play, and I'm glad I didn't. But the second watch sold me. I'm back for the third showing this weekend. And that's why it's going to continue to make money and why I might be eating crow with Mike Vogel. But, but yeah. Yeah.

I mean, seeing it a second time, I certainly enjoyed the experience more a second time than the first time. Maybe because I let go of the expectations. But we'll see. We'll see if people were willing to go and see it a second time. Yeah. Okay, let's see. So again, 26, trying to get to 100 here. Can we do it?

Let's go. Come on. 74 more to go. Let's go. Get me there. Armada. Speaking of making excuses. Kishish, watch pluribus.

No. So no. I know. I won't do. Do I tell you the stupid reason why I won't watch it? No, why? Because everybody likes it. I saw.

It's the dumbest reason in the world. You're allowed to say whatever you want about the reasoning. It's the worst. No, I don't disagree with you. I saw post. I saw post about it. Someone was how much they loved it and it was so great. And they went to a event and to celebrate it.

And I was never going to watch that show on. And I love, and I love Vince Gilligan so much. And I love breaking back to my favorite shows of all time. I was like, I refuse. I'm not watching it. Stupidest reason ever. I'm kind of this way about Severance.

I still have never watched one episode. And it's great. And it's great. And I would think you're an idiot for doing that, but then I would be a hypocrite. Nathan Drake, just watched Nobody 2 after skipping in theaters. And wow, it was a lot of fun.

Colin Hanks was great. Sharon Stone with the weakest part, though. Yes. I didn't see it, yeah. Yeah, Sharon Stone was absolutely collecting a paycheck. It was ridiculous what she was doing in that movie. Like, compare her to, who plays the wife? Damn it. In what?

In nobody. Oh, from Devil's Advocate. Oh, shoot, from Devils. Oh, my God. Yeah, she plays. I'm gladiator. Yeah, Gladiator. Yes, Connie and Eilson.

Yes. Coton Nielsen is so believable in both of those movies. She does great work in both those movies. Yes, not Oscar, but she's very believable and she plays the role well. Sharon Stone came in and was just like, oh, this is this is beneath me and I'm just going to have one-dimensional character. It was so insulting. I was so mad at her. Oh, okay. And Colin is good. Collin was good as a good. Isn't that the director's fault too? Yes, agreed. Definitely blame the director. But how many directors are going to tell Sharon Stone what to do with this? I guess. Julius Wyatt finally watched after The Hunt, liked it, but didn't love it. Julia was great Garfield was great, but where the hell did he go at the second avenue?

John and I are in St. Pedro. Yes. He's nowhere to be found. And he and he lights up the screen every time he's on it. Yeah. He lights it up. It's not an edgy, groundbreaking movie if you freeze out the guy. You have to show both sides of the equation and what it does.

But we found out why. Do you know, you know why that was that they, that they did that way? He was, he was shooting something else. Oh, no fucking excuse. I know. I know. And I don't know. maybe it was the script in general, but my wife was watching,

and she didn't love it, right? But we also, but Julie Roberts is, it's the best she's been in a very long time. Agreed. It's a shame it's wasted in that film. She should be nominated, though, because there's been, there's been shittier movies that have been,

you know, people have been nominated for performances. So I'd have no complaint if she was not. I'm just so good. Carlton Rudder, London Calling. What's a lot? Saw Train Dreams, amazing movie. I'm going to watch that soon. My favorite film of the year definitely deserves to be recognized.

some awards you jolligen was superb you liked it too right I loved it okay loved it is it in your top is it in your top 10 absolutely in my top 10 maybe top 5 wow and edgerton's great and so is Felicity Jones great in the movie is love to hear it yeah both of them so I'm excited to watch it that's our next so my wife and I we just watched this thing on you know watch Baltimore has watched um rental family which I also didn't really talk about but I dug that one as well but I think that um that's our next one is train dreams right on I think that's the next one So,

Nathan, too, which is great. Nathan Drake, Carlos wants to Riva a storm, right? Nah.

I know you're kidding, but no. No, as much as I really loved her in the second weekend, she's, and this isn't, she's too little.

She's too little. There's one thing where, look, and I've talked about it, how I went, Andrea Arjona, as I want her as Wonder Woman. You put,

you could put shoes on her and she goes an extra, she's like five, six, five, seven. and she goes 5-8-5-9. See the Reve is lucky if she's five feet tall. And Storm's got to be a real big presence.

She's bigger. She's taller. So I just don't think she's right for it. I'm not saying I don't want her in Marvel, but I don't think she's right for Storm. I will tell you what I'm over, though, because as I said, I'm an advocate of that movie, more so than John, The Wicked, too.

I'm so glad that we're not going to see anymore these movies because I can't take their interviews. Oh, man. Their interviews are, they're terrible. Well, you think we're not going to see anymore. I mean, the producer of the film alluded to the fact they're going to continue the story. Oh, I just, I can't. And I like them both.

I like Cynthia Revo. I like Ariana Grande. I cannot take them in interviews anymore. I can't do it. It's so exhausting. It's so, everything is, well, thank you for being here.

Thank you for being here. Everything is the most amazing that ever happened in the moment that it happened. Are you wearing a shoe? Oh my God. I love shoes. Some of my favorite TikToks are gay guys doing their, interviews and mocking them. I can't.

I can't. It drives me bananas. Data course. Watch pleuribus. Just do it. No, you know what's going to happen? The more people that I clicked on it for a second. And I started and I said, nope, I'm not doing it because now it's a bit.

And besides it besides it being a bit, the more people who tell me to watch it, the least, the less likely I am to watch it. Here is the meta thing that is going on right now with you. Yeah. You are essentially the lead of the show. Because the lead of the show is being told. to do something to basically join the collective and she's refusing to do it.

You're essentially mirroring the show. See, that's the whole point. It's paid advertisement and I've been asked to not watch it. For those you've seen it, you know I'm right. Gen X-X-Kid 73. Cynthia was fabulous as always. However, Ariana should be up for lead actors. You agree with John? She won't get it. She and Cynthia both carried

it two leads, period. Don't disagree with that? Like I said, I'm not going to argue with that point. But I'm also going to I'm not going to argue if she gets nominated for best support. Armada. Saw Wicked 2, train dreams. If I had legs. Oh, I didn't see that one yet. Maybe I said it.

Yeah. And it was just an accident over the weekend. All were pretty good. I didn't see the last two of those. Interesting though. Yeah. I didn't see it was just an accident as well. And no other choice, which is the, I think the Korean film. Okay. Nathan, Drake, it's called The Thing, not Thing. Shmowdown. Did somebody call Thing? Is that something to happen? I think someone got points for saying thing. I think it was Sam.

Really? Sam was the beneficiary of a lot of questionable decisions. He knew how to manipulate the system. Yeah, because he's a little guy in that sweet face of his, and people love him and freaks and geeks. So they gave him a bit, especially Ellis, who was so biased. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'll back up Ellis and in this.

No, no, we always knew when a Sam match was coming that it was going to be an argument city from Sam. He always, Ellis was always prepared to go toe to toe with Sam. That's just not, that's just not accurate. I mean, my arguments may have been louder, but they were less, in number compared to Sam. Well, you knew you were going to get at least 57 arguments in round one from Sam. Yeah, no.

100%. That was a schick. Johnny Patrice. Interested in your opinion on Aronowski's Requiem and Black Swan. I actually really, I'm more of a Black Swan fan than I am Requiem. Borrowing near identical shots from an anime film called Perfect Blue, really. Where is the line between inspiration and plagiarism for you? It's hard for me to say because I never saw the perfect blue.

So I don't, I can't really speak on it because I can't accurately say, you know, he did this. I think that if you just completely do it, like the Lion King live action is not like, it's just a remake of the animated film in somewhat kind of live fiction, not even really live action, you know? I don't know. It's tough to say because I haven't seen Perfect Blue.

And it just came out as a, I think a 25th, 25 year anniversary or whatever anniversary it came out in the theaters again, which was great. But I haven't seen it. And so I couldn't compare it. I couldn't say, but it'd be hard for me to believe that Aronovsky did this without speaking with the creators of Perfect Blue and letting them know you're inspiring me to do this shot. Were you aware of this?

The filmmakers do this. No, I'm not. This is first I've ever heard of. I'm assuming because Aronovsky's a person who respects other people with work. You know, I was just about to ask what he recently, but he did that caught stealing thing. Yeah. I didn't love. That was fine.

Yeah. Gen X kid. Again, thank you so much. absolutely wicked second half is the best part i don't think anybody's disagree with that i think we're on the same page here uh okay armada will it goes unpunished to the end of the movie is fantastic yeah will the lost bus be lost in oscar noms what's what's one is that's the matthew mccanahe won't an apple tv yeah clearly i don't even know what that is yeah no one's gonna enrique an ira two oh one battle is a rated our two hour 50 minute drama made 205 worldwide it flop

due to budget, correct? Not because people didn't go see it. Leo still puts butts to see. Oh, 100%. Yeah. That's just, I said this, I mean, and it's, that's, this is where the debatable question comes in. Because normally, Enrique, you're not wrong where if someone, if something costs 205 million

and it only makes whatever it made 225 or whatever it is, you're not wrong to say it's a flop. However, that was not the intent of this movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just wasn't. So in a certain aspect, you're not wrong, but you are wrong in regards to what they were trying to accomplish. They are going to, and they got this movie out and they made enough money that it's going to then have a life streaming, whatever it else is it. But it's going to be all over the place in the awards. Now, if it didn't get the award noms and hit everything that they thought they were going to do, then it would have been a failure.

Like you look at after the hunt. After the hunt was an attempt in general to say, okay, look, this is a vehicle for Julia Roberts. to get that nom and go out there. And that's what, I mean, and same thing with Dwayne Johnson. If it doesn't hit, both those movies did not do well monetarily. And by any standard, didn't do well, right, depending on budget. So I think that this one, though, this one, this is a success. And you're right.

Leonardo, the reason why I made any money at all for the scale of that movie, it was because of Leo, for sure. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Yeah. Enrique also says, One battle made more money than films like Fall Guy, Ballerina, Furia, Tron Aris, Nostrata, the Marvel, Snow White.

No, no, no, you're, you're preaching to the choir. Preaching to the choir. A bunch of bad movies. What? Fall guy's not a bad movie. Ballerina is, Farrata's not bad. Ballerina's average at best, but cost too much. Furiosa's not bad either.

But they all, but here's, here's, Fall Guy, cost too much money. Ballerina, cost too much money. Furiosa, cost too much money. And all three of those movies, nowhere near awards. right tron aries cost too much and not good yeah that's what i'm with you i think the whole conversation around one battle after being a flop is nonsense it's it's that's just trying to content because there wasn't the intent exactly you know but but i understand the argument i understand because traditionally that's what you would do it's not one to one and it's

everything one to one sometimes it's not true if if the if the studio thought that they were going to put that movie out and that that that movie because by traditional standards that movie needs, it needs to make close to $400,500 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a device to sell. Yes, if they thought that that movie was going to make $500 million, then it's a failure. I don't believe they had any intent of making that money back.

Right. They spent that money knowing as long as we can make $250, $200 million on this movie and get it in front of Oscar and everything else too and get the noms and all that, we're good. And I think that they accomplished their goal. Yeah. Gen X kit. Roca, I see your point.

Ariana did feel like the lead more in this one looking back on it. Yeah, I mean, I get it. I understand the argument. It's our story. I get it. From magic to, from no magic to, you know,

it's his story. Enrique, by the way, are we getting a one battle reaction with Sam? Also, I'll become a member when Departed reaction drops, drops my favorite film.

Departed definitely is going to be, is going to be, me and Ming are doing that one. I don't know yet if Sam's going to be doing that one. Sam and I are going to do the next, the next two knives out and then once December hits, we're really jumping into like

the big ones, whether it's shit, man, Hobbit, uh, freaking Harry Potter, Star Wars, Matrix, like all ones that she hasn't seen before the X-Men movies. Like we're going, we're going really, really heavy in December. So, I don't know if we'll get to that one, but maybe,

maybe we will. I don't know yet. Okay, Gen X kid. Christian, I keep hearing Pluribus is really good. Science fiction, which is in your real house. We'll be checking it out. Roxy told me the same thing. She said, it is such, it is so made for you. Said, good to hear. And Steph said, you did the same thing with Shogun, which is true. Yeah. It took me a year to watch Shogun, and I loved it. Yeah. My choice. I bet Roka is watching Clervis. 100% from a moment. And the thing is, I've never seen Breaking Bad. I've never seen

Better Call Soul. I just something about this particular trailer at this particular time sparked my interest because of the cult energy to it. And I was like, okay, I got to see what this is all about. And then the writing is amazing. And Ria Seahorn is fellow, fellow Virginia, Ria Seahorn is amazing in the show. So I love her. I got a slight crush on her. Go pal, just sign up for a masterclass with your code. I hope the big thing is still a valid name for the podcast. That's what came up in the list. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they've changed or not. But you know what? I'm going to send this over, Go, pal. Thank you for telling me that's Good to know in general.

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Julius Wyatt. Christian, we do a Stranger Things 5 reaction. Probably, and my wife has really been asking. She's really excited to do them. She wants to do them with me. So we'll probably wind up doing those together. the she loves that series. The Lil Yankee, starting a six-month training program for work promotion will be hard to catch the show live, but we'll support when I can.

Counting blessings, Jets. Exactly. Good for you. Do what you got to do. Go and do your training program, man, and get your work done. I understand. Come back when you can. Yeah.

And we'll see you soon. And like I said, you can watch the clips channel. You can watch on the replay. We'll be here for you, Lil Yankee. I'll tell you what, though. You know, you know who, you know who annoys me? And it's, and it's, and this is a pluribus type thing. Tom Yamis.

Okay. Do you know why he annoys me? No. It's the way he signs off at night. Okay. Like, so Lester, I'm an old man. So when it, when I like, I don't like opinionated news. And Tanya Amos is not opinion.

He's not, he just gives the news. But that's not why. Okay. So this, again, very stupid reason. I have no idea. I have no idea who this person is, by the way. Tom Yamas? You know, Lester Holt is. Yeah, of course. NBCN.

So he took over for Lester Holt. So I like that news because it's not opinion-based. I don't get a one-sided, lopsided view from anybody. It's just the news. This is what's happening in the world today. Here's the news. And there's not, there's no, well, we think, we're bringing in everybody to shit on this side of it because we're so that leaning or

that leaning. This is just the news. And so I've been watching that. And I watched Lester Hull he was the best out of it. So they were placed in with Tom. Okay. And Lester at the end of the night would say, take care of yourselves and the people you love. I love them. Great thing. Tom Yama says, remember, we're here for you. No, you're not. You're not here for me. My kids having a problem with math. Can I call you? No. What do you? Don't, don't lie. You're not here for me.

What is happening right now? But I can't stand it. It drives me crazy. It's like, we're here for you. Don't say that. It's dishonest. They're saying they're a safe place for you to come to. A's not saying shit except bullshit. We're here for you. You're not here for me. You're not here for me. I need to talk. I need to talk about my diet.

Can I talk to you about that? No, I can't Tom Yamas. If you knew him, I think you could. No. I want to talk to Tom Yamis. Give him a call. It drives me nuts. What is wrong with you?

It's just saying that you can come here. No, he can't. You can't. All right. It's false advertising. It's the other one I like, Haley Jackson. I like her. Oh, Haley Jackson. Yeah. I like her. She has a better sign off. Tom won a lot of awards. I don't give a shit. Like a dad. He's a liar. A filthy liar. He's a liar.

28 Vosco. Happy Thanksgiving to both you and your family. You do. Thoughts and overall legacy of a stranger thing. It's it's tremendous. And what it did, season one was great, great. Two was subpar. three was pretty good four was better than the first I agree and now you're at a place where if you can end of that you can if you can capitalize on what you just did

you're in you're gonna be in the upper echelon of River Television well I think for us 80s kids that show kind of validates our upbringing and validates our nostalgia about that time that's what that show does and so for us I think there's a whole other level of which appreciation for the show

but yes overall it's an incredible show the fact that they pulled it off consistently as they did and were able to cast a lot of incredible actors that are now working consistently across multiple projects shows you that they really just found the right formula to create greatness here and propped up Netflix for quite some time too yeah um 34 come on guys let's can we do it 34 oh okay go pal after the hunter are free on prime yeah but that's an amazon movie you know it's at Amazon and they need and they want more people to see it they want more people to get the to get it out there for more people to check out it's awards time so it makes sense that that that that probably was honest is probably always the plant yeah go pal love Connie nelson and to

rewatch devil's advocate you know I don't know I gotta find somebody who hasn't seen that on the channel such a good show that's a good movie I love that movie yeah uh okay oh I have so many names Alan Smithy old movie emergency this morning got a print of a 1960 Western the the Unforgiven to a theater in No Calroca. Have you seen this old school western? Yes, Bert Lancaster. Wow. Given. Damn good. One that I discovered recently, actually. I've been going through a lot of old Westerns to try to find some new ones I want to enjoy. I'm on a Randolph-Scott cake lately, but yes, I've seen the Unforgiven, damn good film, not unforgiven, the unforgiven,

two different films. Uh, go pop. There's a picture of Nina Menzel or as they say, Adele Nazine. Still my favorite. It's still my favorite. I can't, I, I, I, I, I, watch that at least twice a year. It's the best. The wickedly talented Adele Nazim. He's so confident in it. Only Troultti get away with that. So great. It was the best.

It was the best. And it honestly propelled her into superstarder. Oh, 100. It helped her more than hurt her. Dude. Yeah. You've seen that money? 60 million. That's how much it for Frozen, right? The two films. Yeah. Yeah. There's a picture of Mendel, Arrevo, Grande, and Chenoweth from a

from press for the first movie makes adena look like a giant at five four at five four yeah that's i'm telling you she's she's she's too little the place for him she just is and i and i and it's it's yeah it just won't work it should be jody turner smith but we'll see oh she'd be great right yeah she's she's so great she'd be perfect she'd be perfect she'd be perfect um the blazing kitties hey guys what do you think about ruby rose talking crap to sidney swiney she got nervous she sucks as bad when we were sure i talked about this the other day i thought i thought i thought roka and i talked about it we talked about it last monday yes we did yeah we talked about this moment we both agreed that your messaging could you could still have a better message without calling

someone out in the way that you did it was it was it was tacky yeah i thought it was tacky in terms of the approach i think there was content to the message that was fair right but i think the delivery was lagged class yeah yeah alan smithy rip to udo keir yeah actor in decades of movies lots of horror. He played Dracula and Baron Frankenstein. Was in Blade for all you comic fans. There you go. Blade. Frost. Deacon Frost. Yeah, Udo Kier was amazing. And there's a great documentary on him from a couple of years ago following his life that you guys should definitely watch if you're Udo Kier fans.

So RIP man to a legend. Yes, 100%. And I ever know through breath, but I was talking about Tom Yamis, right? It's old man yelling at clouds. 1,000%. 1,000%. You're not here for me. Tom Yamas. is something. Yeah, out of here. Christian Medard. Then somebody ever get at you for not feeling emotionally connected to a movie. Wicked

is just not for me. Episode 5 is good. My wife, 100%. Like, I've been like, do you ever cry in any movies? Like, sometimes, but not really. No. Yeah, free willy did nothing for me. And I got a lot of crap for that one. Is that the porn version?

No, no. The real. The real. Okay. Not that Willie. No. That's free Jimmy. All right. This is last one. Simon section. Christian, I'm here for you when Kickstarter. Yeah, that's different. That's different because you're being, because you're delivering on the promise. There you go.

Please note a more dynamic hand gestures. Did I do ones? As above, show below enough is Star Wars, the Force Awakens, and that was lightshivers. Simon, you lose me sometimes. Yeah, he does. So, yeah. I got you in the beginning, but

I love Simon section. Simon's was the most supportive people to be having this channel, but I know. But I do this lovingly, Simon, because you are so, because you now, have become like almost you you have you've earned ball busting so i'm going to give an assignment section uh super chat to you john this is okay you know guys i was looking at the um the movie selection this week and everyone was when jumping jumping around france dogs wait what happened the last i got the i got the first half i'm with you and then we hit a lot of bumpy road

the car's separate i'm there i'm here for you okay got you When Kickstarter starts, absolutely. But please, no more demonic hand gestures. Starting to go down the road here. Okay, what's that? And as above, shall below, gone. I'm off the road. Enough in Star Wars, The Force Awakens, and that was lightsabers.

Yeah. I get it. Just don't know where it went. I love Simon, more than anything. But I think he does it on purpose now. And I think he's a code machine. Maddie B. starting today's show that. I'm so behind the running man, 87 and a bunch of 20,

million and gross 38 million at the World White Boxer. Right. And marketing wasn't as big at that way. 27, yeah. And still, but what it's, what it's made over the course of, you know, 40 years, whatever it is too. But yes, there you go. Okay. That's it. That's it. Yeah. 36 today. Look, Roxy and Mike, they got a good shot right now. Clearly. They got a good shot. I didn't do a good enough job to motivate you guys to send in my sad. That's all right. It's all right. You did, you one last.

week and maybe who knows who knows maybe mike and roxy dropped the ball tomorrow it's possible um all right so i'll give you give you a little more shot people we still we still got almost 23 minutes of people want to kick on there if not you let you plug you can plug uh guys head on over to the john roka channel youtube.com slash john roca says that's how you get there you want to send me a christmas gift you can't afford to send me a christmas gift give me a subscribe subscribe to the channel that's free that's free thousands of you watch this show and subscribe to it please so much happening we'll have geek buddy stuff later and then hot mic later this week as well spill the tequila all kinds of stuff what's up

don't run away last one okay jack pew well last one for now a long time listener first time super chat well thank you jack i can't wait for the kick starter again thank you very much and roca love the wizard of oz sitafiles breakdown thank you yeah that's my other podcast the cinefiles we just started on the wizard of oz uh this past week we did a part one that we do part two uh coming up later on this week for the weekend. You guys can enjoy that as well to coincide with Wicked for Good. So yeah. Yeah. And thank you guys. Yeah. Kickstarter, we're, it's, we're moving. We're moving. Mr. C.J., happy Thanksgiving. You too, C.J. Have a funny Thanksgiving story? Um, I don't know if I do. Do you? I don't know that I do. I mean, it's always fun when the

friends get together and crazy shit. Yeah. But I don't really have any ones that stand out so much. I mean, like yeah no not really it's like um yeah i like the last what all i mean i just tell you my tradition it's not really funny it is my my little one and the and the and the oldest we we every now it's now it's on at the right time but when we would watch the parade we watch we wake up in the morning we watch the parade we we have breadsticks and salami and some uh you know so my my wife goes and gets those like you know the good cheese and we get the yeah the real authentic breadsticks from the Italian deli. We have some salami and stuff,

and we watch all the, all the stuff on the parade. So it's our, it's our, you know, it's, I don't know, funny it is, but it's just our tradition. I love that. That's a great tradition. Go pal. Hey, sorry, John, I can't subscribe. I did that years ago. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Boomer bust. Chase Infinity should be in supporting. She wins.

I absolutely agree with it. I will tell you that I'm going to agree with John here. That if Ariana gets nominated for us supporting, Chase doesn't, I'll be upset. Yes. Chase was amazing. She's supporting. She's not the lead. I see people trying to put her in the league category. What the fuck are you talking about?

No, no. She's supporting. Yeah. Caprio is the only lead of that movie. That's it. Not even Sean Penn is the lead. He's a supporting act. Wiley Taugh. Curious, John, you say you don't like going to theater's normal, but you do see movies twice like Wicked Part 2. How do you do it then? Did you go to a second press screen? Those are both both press screenings, Wiley. Yeah, the first one was a press screening, but one of the speakers blew out.

So to me, I wanted to be fair in my assessment of the movie. So when they offered us a surprise screening the next day, I went to at 3 p.m. PT. And by the way, I was one of only three critics in San Diego showed up for that screen. So I went to honor the movie. So people are coming to my opinions on the film. I saw it twice to make sure. Oh, that's good for you. That's good.

Yeah. By the way, knives out, I wanted to say the new one. So I really like the third one. I didn't love, I didn't really like the second one at all. I'm going to rewatch it with Sam. Sam's never seen it, so we're going to watch it. Maybe I'll change my opinion on it, but I remember predicting it right away. It was so predictable and then just didn't like the characters.

But the third one really liked the characters a lot. And that guy from Challenger's. Oh, yeah. Joshua O'Connor. Yes. He's great, dude. That dude is going to become. He's a star.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he's great as Prince Charles on the ground. Yeah. He's got two small movies coming out. this year before the end of the year he's not a movie star he's he's like he's like he's like he's like he's and we were just having this talk on tuesday about like sydney sweeney and milly bobby brown right right milly bobby brown is still like the movie star and like the star power but sadie sink right now is kind of going to be like the acting giant out of the two of them yeah and i wouldn't

even say milly is a superstar in terms of movies none of her movies no but yes celebrity celebrity celebrity Celebrity, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, Sadie is the one that's going to win awards, not Milly Bobby Brown. And she's got a cool name. Yeah, she does. Yes, she does. Paul Hitchcock.

Roka, have you ever worn Rokerware? I got nothing. No, I've never bought Roka wear, no, which they sell. I think that's JZ stuff, isn't it? Is it? Boom or bust. Traveling to see Hamnet. And what's Woodham? Will you know?

Well, Woodham. On Wednesday. I don't know. Ham that's great. That's in my top five as well. I'm dreading watching it because of the kid side of it. Oh, right. Yes. I'm just dreading. I'm just dreading. That is brutal. I know. I'm dreading to watch it. I'm going to watch it. And the little kid is great. I know. I'm dreading. I'm dreading. I told my wife last night.

What is about? She's like, nope. I'm good. Watch it. She won't watch it. Um, anyway. All right. Forty three. Good fight back. All right. Well, we got there. Thanks for being here, guys. Make sure you comment. Click like. Thank you, John for being here, as always. make sure you go over and subscribe to John Rokos channel, we'll be back here tomorrow with Roxy and Mike. Thank you to True Classic Masterclass. Ruggiette, 1-800 contacts and, of course, cash out.

Make sure you check out. I'll give you so many good options. Let me check them out. Oh, and two more. Christopher, Roka's gone, so you got me. AI is going to help sowed out into real leaks when they happen. Also, did any of you check out when Trumpets fade at all? I won't harp on you all about it.

I know, I didn't. I didn't. I know that you mentioned it. And no, we didn't give a chance to see you get. Well, I don't know if John has. I can't speak from me. He just took off. What would be hilarious if John winds up winning with me here by myself now? That would be hilarious. Wiley Todd, have you watched a Christmas classic surviving Christmas with Ben Affleck? That's the one with Candlefini, right?

I was at the premiere. I think that's the one, right? Isn't that the one? Or is that the different one? Hold on. I think that's right. And I have a story about it. Yeah. So it's terrible. And I've told this story before.

Gandalfini got up to leave, and I saw his agent pulling him back and he can't leave, he can't leave. And I don't know if he was leaving because he thought he was terrible. I can't. I remember looking over and seeing him wanting to leave. But that was it. And Marshall Wooden Soldiers is great. Look at this.

Brooks. Poopsicle. I have to agree. All right. Thank you for being here, everybody. I appreciate you. very much so and and that's it so remember we're here for you eat it yamas right we'll see you see you guys in the flip second bye