The Kristian Harloff Show - WILL ANT-MAN AND THE WASP QUANTUMANIA CHANGE THE MCU FORVEVER?! Andrea Risebourough Interview! | MCU

Episode Date: January 12, 2023

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We have a very special guest, Andrew Riceboro, who you might have seen her in Birdman or recently in Amsterdam or Oblivion. She's in a new movie called To Leslie, where I think she's nominated for an Independent Spirit Award, but I think it's an Oscar-level performance. but I had an opportunity to talk to her. She is awesome. She's really awesome. So we really get into it about a half an hour.

But before we even do that, we're going to go over some other stuff in the world of movie news. And some of that stuff is that big Ant-Man trailer, a huge Ant-Man trailer. And it's, is this going to change the game for the MCU? Is it going to turn it around? As we talked about it, as you see in the title,

that's going to be one of the main things. And another big thing, pun intended, last of us, that show is getting some major buzz, 100% around the board of every critic that's seen it so far. So we'll talk about that. And speaking of television, Roxy Stryer is here to talk about what you guys should be watching this weekend. So the three of us are going to have a limited but fun talk today. And you are going to be able to really listen to Andrea Reisbrough. And I'm so happy that you got an opportunity to do so.

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Okay, so let's get into it. I mean, Roxy, what's going on? You got a grin on your face. What's up? It's like, first of all, Brett is killing me recently in the best ways and the worst of ways. Number one, Brett, when you whisper, the mic still, it knows. Like, whenever you start to talk, he looks at me and starts telling me something. He'll be like, and I'm like, I can't hear you, but somebody can't.

Somebody can. And then it's also like. Is that wide shot driving you as that's, go fix it, go fix it. When you start the show too, it's like, I think of it as like Brett's workshop. Yes. He's like, he does. He's like a three-year-old. cleaning his glasses.

I'm listening to what you're saying, and out of the corner of my eye, this man is cleaning his glasses, fixing his drink, popping the microphone thing off, shifting my OCDing on the table. But it's like, great because you're not on camera,

but I still have to pay attention. And I, it's amazing, Bradd's workshop. It's Brett's workshop. Yeah. Do you have any retort? Or guilty of, guilty of charge?

He's like, takes his glasses. He's like, Is it just like a nervous fidget or something? Of course, of course. You know, at home in front of the computer, I have little fidgety things that I do, like during SCN and stuff like that. And Lydia made me a couple of them, just weird things like a marble and a little mesh thing. Yeah, I'm a fidgetter.

When the camera's off, you know any fidgets? He builds studios. Way better. What's a mesh thing? Well, she made, I don't know what it was. It's like a plastic meshy thing with a little, marble in it and she taped off the ends and I just kind of push it in and out like I don't like you're a mouse I'm a little mouse I'm like a cat I'm like kind of like this all the time chasing the laser okay yeah I might

have some nervous energy that's it works yeah it works for you I like it speaking of which speaking of nervous energy you know Brett and I are doing a stand-up comedy show together at flappers I didn't know February 13th it's going to be wow Gallant's day day day day before galentine's day what is galant's day what is that oh galant's day that's the day before valentine's day is like gals night out Valentine's Day. I think Parks and Rec either made it up or they made it popular. Oh, okay, well, good. Maybe they they make it popular at our show. You should advertise to all the Galentine's. I like what you're doing. Yeah. All right. So that's going to be at, I think, eight o'clock on, you can get that it's Jake Lewis's show. So if you want to see Brett and I. Oh, I loved when I went and he was there. It's the first time I ever

saw him. He's great. He's so good. He sang his song. He sang the, the roommate song on this show when he was on. He ended, a couple months ago. And he ended, not here. It wasn't a Thursday. We weren't here. No, it was a Monday show. But he ended with his song and it was great. Fans loved it.

Anyway, so you can check us out. Another thing I want to talk about before we get into the other news, very excited about this one. This came out the other day. I also talked about it on my Twitter. Josh Horowitz, who I've mentioned many times over, he was a Shmodeown competitor, but he's a friend as well. this just was released in deadline. Happy Sad, Confused podcast, nearest 500 episodes,

and Josh Harwich strikes a deal with cast media. Oh, that's the wrong thing. So here's some of the, just a little bit of the article so I can read it to you. Oh, look at that. Yeah, there it is. Did Brett steal your glasses?

No, he's good. Josh Harwitz is Happy Sad Confused podcast is nearing 500 episodes. Having featured interviews with the likes of Daniel Craig, Adam Sandler, Henry Cavill, Tom Hanks, and Milakunis. Horowitz has now signed a partnership with cast media to market, distribute,

and monetize the show. It comes as the celebrity interviewer is putting up massive numbers for recent episodes, including more than $14 million for a recent chat with Kate Winslet in December. Horowitz, who covers film and TV for Paramount Global across MTV Comedy Central and Paramount Plus outlets, launched the podcast in 2014 and set it up on YouTube at the end of 2022. It features interviews with actors and filmmakers and hosts live taping from 90 Second Street, Y in New York, and cast media is behind podcasts such as the Sarah Silverman podcast and Rachel Bilsson's broad ideas and the Twilight Effect. As part of the multi-year deal, cast and Harwits are developing premium, live-streaming,

and other content offerings for Happy Sad Confused fan base. Happy Sad Confused is produced by Harwitz and executive produced by Scott Porch and Christian Harloff from big IP media. happy sat confused began as a passion project and as a way for me to engage with the actors and filmmakers I admire in sometimes deep, sometimes silly, and most importantly always entertaining conversations, Harwood said. Cast Media is the perfect home for bringing the show to a passionate and large pop culture-obsessed audience. Now, you can get a lot more of that.

I mean, you can check it out his article, excuse me, his post on Instagram and everything too, and really happy to be working with him. You give you a nice shout out. He did, yes. So, I mean, it was earned by. No, absolutely. So Roxy had asked me, too,

and I think that one of the, so I've been a fan of Josh Harwitz for a very long time. And I, and we'd kind of known each other-ish through circles and stuff too. And I reached out to him last, I was probably 2021 to join the Schmodown. And through that, I was watching,

you know, his show and everything too and noticing, we just, we were friendly and he did a live event and everything too. And then I noticed that he wasn't doing much with the, with the podcast, you know, as far as the YouTube side of it went. I mean, audio-wise, he was crushing it. And his interviews are just, he's the best.

Completely obsessed with him. He's the best. Completely obsessed. He's the best. Because, you know what, he's just so likable. He's a nice guy. People are very comfortable talking to him. And it's a reason why he continues to get these relationships because he, he's just,

he's just a very inviting dude. Yeah. And he's real. Yeah. People used to always say that I was very well prepared for all my interviews, especially when we're on Collider when they saw us do our thing. It's not a single guest that we had on our show that I didn't look for his podcast interview with them. Yeah, right, right, right.

I remember, I remember, yeah, yeah. Always would pull from things like, oh, you said this on this thing. What do you think? Because he just asks the really smart questions. And like you said, he made speakable, really comfortable. I was stoked when he went into the showdown. Yeah, it was awesome to have him in this morning. But he's also what he does very well is he knows how to get headlines,

but he doesn't do it in a way that is just going for headlines. He makes it part of the conversation. He's done it very well. And the guests know it when he's talking about certain things. So anyway, we were talking about his YouTube channel, and I think he had launched it and I don't know how many, maybe six, 700 subscribers, whatever. And I was like, I think there's a lot more that we could do with this channel,

to be honest with you, than what's going on with it right now. And he's been putting in the work. He does clipouts. He puts the full episodes up now. and he went from like six or 700 subscribers. He's like 22,000 right now. He just went into the short. He started doing shorts now.

And his shorts, both of his Kate Winslet shorts have like, like, collectively like five million. So he's crushing it. And he's, and it's well deserved because he's just a good human being. So I'm happy. And the other thing, too, wasn't mentioned inside of this report, nor should have it been. But this show is also with cast media now. And, yeah. So we're very excited about that to be, we're to be working with cast.

media and they're going to be handling, you know, same type of stuff that they're handling for Josh's show. So things are moving for everybody and I'm excited for it. I'm excited for this show. And yeah, we've just been working really hard here, all of us. And Roxy crushed

it yesterday on SCN Live. If you didn't know, Roxy's hosting going to be as long as she's available all the live shows on the Christian Harleff and Friends channel for SCN Live, which is every Tuesday unless it's that week that it's on Patreon. But yeah, man.

So, yeah, it's bigger, bigger and better things, man. Bigger and better things. So again, congratulations to Josh Horowitz. What could be bigger than the big thing? Yeah. Well, Josh Harwitz has been. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, you agree.

That's my time to chime in. Does it? Yeah, there's nothing bigger than the big thing. Nothing bigger. No, I would say about the Josh Horowitz thing that you showed me that little a clip of all the interviews. The celebrities love him. They love him.

Every single way. Oh, it's, oh, Josh, you know, that kind of thing. That's got to feel great. Of course. He's not out to get them. No, at all. There's no, like gotcha moments. No, it's like, he's a fan, but he's also, he just, he just has a conversation.

So if you haven't had, even checked out, happy, sad, confused, please do so. Because it's a great, I listen to when I do Campia show, I listen to it every drive, because it's like an hour and 15 minutes to get there. I so, so badly wish that he ended up on my Shmowdown team. We had a conversation, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but here's what happened. Do you want to know?

Yeah, sure. I felt like if I was going to draft him, I was going to business. for myself. I've always wanted to be this guy's friend. Number one, I love his show. I think he's very talented. Number two, Horowitz. So I've got to assume he's part of my tribe. Italian. Yeah, totally. So I was like, okay, but he said to me straight up, I don't have a lot of time right now. I don't, you know, I can't like fully dedicate and I took him at his word and then he fucking balls to the wall. They dove, right? It's a basic. Well, you know it was because I don't, I don't think you realized how much fun he was going to have. Yeah, but I should have know, I've been doing

for years. They should have known. They don't know what they're talking about before they come in. But I was like, oh, yeah, okay. Well, I'm really looking for somebody who's really competitive. And he was like, oh, I don't know. That's me. And I was like, oh, yeah. Fuck me, bro. He was so, he was super competitive. He was really good, too. He's really, really good. Obviously, he's really fucking good Christian. I know. That's true. But anyway, so go and check that out. All right, as we're going to get to this interview in a little bit, but before we do so, we got some news. And we're going to start, the first thing we're going to start with here is Ant Man. There's a lot going on with Ant Man

Ant Man in the Wasp the trailer dropped And Roxie, you get a chance to see the trailer Yes, Christian, I did You did? Not everybody did Mostly because I don't live under a rock Oh, really checked it out Listen, some people, if you didn't cover it, right?

That was unfair. No, we talked about it on Asian. Okay. I know, I watched. So. Yeah. Did you think I was right? Absolutely.

Of course. Of always. That that one thing I said was just like, Yeah. It brought Clemsie. clarity to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Before that, you were not.

It was cloudy. I wasn't on board, and I almost wrote a letter because of it. Oh, to who? The person. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one, no, you were talking about. But then what I said made it.

Christian was on the fence, but I was totally against what you said, but then you turned me around. It was the green wig element of it all that I just couldn't get into. And the squirrel. Well, no. That didn't bother about much. You'll taste your own medicine. A little taste of your own medicine. All right, listen, let's get into this thing because this trailer was really good.

And as we said in the title of this episode, it's what does it mean for the MCU? Is it going to change the stakes of the MCU for phase five? And I feel like it has to. Yeah. It's actually funny that I said, no, because I don't love Under Rock. A lot of people aren't watching this trailer on purpose because it gave away a lot. It did. It did.

And I think we know that it has to change the stakes because of what. what it showed. You know, there was just, I was surprised. I thought that they were going to go lighter on the plot and heavier on the characters. Because who isn't going to see this movie? You know, everybody's going to see this movie. But really, based on what they showed, I feel like this is going to be a huge turning point and one of the reasons that we are entering into a new phase.

I thought we focused. I thought they showed a little too much. I think there was. I'm kind of with you. Yeah. It's fine, but. Yeah, I think they showed a little too much. There's a particular moment with Scott.

in general at one port where it looks like they showed essentially the end of the film. That line he says. Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't even want to spoil it. I haven't seen the movie. But what it does pose, though, it poses in the trailer, which I was hoping for, was the threat that Kang is going to be.

Like that they did very well. So hot. John, that's what you're thinking too. Absolutely. Totally agree. I think he's the hot actor right now. I'll tell you that. That guy is just something.

He's just got that thing. Yep. He's just, he's, I don't know, you can, maybe you get to meet him, he can tell him.

He's got the big thing energy. Yeah, we don't know, it's not proven. Yeah, nice job. Making a shirt. Making a shirt. Big thing energy.

Let's go. Boom. Big thing energy. I like it. I like it. I like what you did there. Hold on. All right,

I got to shut the show down. But anyway, so I just think that they have to post because if you look at the way Thanos was set up in the, first a couple of phases, right? He just kind of popped in at the end of Avengers in that post-credit scene,

shows up, like, I think briefly in like a Skype call in Guardians. And then it's really it until he shows up in Infinity War and then it's game on. So the way that they set up Kang is that it's not even Kang. It's one of his personalities or the guy, whatever they call him in Loki, you know. Variant? Yeah. Yeah, it's a variant. Yeah.

right? I'm super confused about different earth versions and variants versus there's variants, there's variants, there's different earths, and then there's the third one, which is the scrolls. Right. So there's a lot of different...

It's a lot of different things, but he's a variant. He's a variant, and I, and that that scene will be watched a thousand times over even more so now, leading up to, you know, Kang and what, because I think you were used to said the other day that that that version of him in Loki is still, even though he's the good one,

he's still kind of menacing. You can tell that there's something. There's something in there. There's a switch. There's a switch. And you see this version of him and what Kang is. And that was, that scene in Loki was like the same type of thing they did with Thanos, right? Like they just kind of teased them a little bit.

And now this is the first time, because he's like the big bad of this thing. What can't happen, though, is like you can't, again, like you said, I don't want to ruin line but you kind of have to because it's in the trailer um he can't lose yeah even they say like we both can't win or whatever is that what he says he says um i don't have to win we just both have to lose we just both have to lose yeah that's right but he if he lose it depends on how he loses because if he loses in his first movie it's like how intimidating of a villain is he he's got i mean like thanos won in his first movie are you thinking this is x-nay on ant manet no yeah except for that line where he said i can't believe i died here in the quantum realm

Did you see that part in the... I bet you he... I bet you A Man dies like five to ten times in this movie. Yeah, maybe. I bet she dies a bunch of times. What about Wasp? No, I think she'll make it. Not very heavily featured in this train.

No, no. Her haircut is. You like your haircut? Oh, man. Isn't that a horrible haircut? Am I wrong in this? Pull it up. Cody?

Well, actually... I'll show... I'll show the haircut. I don't think so. I don't remember thinking. that. Well, you're right. Really?

Let me look. I've been saying that lately, by the way, if someone, in an argument, if someone says something like, so you don't like her haircut? No. I don't believe you. I don't even know how I won't find it. I don't believe you. You don't like that haircut?

I don't believe you. And that's how I'm going to start answering people back now. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. Nothing you're saying is true here. I don't believe you, right, Roxy? I guess. What did her hair look like?

It wasn't. It was short. It looks kind of like his? But you don't like short hair. You just don't like. No, no, I like long, luxurious hair like Roxy's. The only time I ever remember seeing, thank you so much. You're welcome.

See, he compliments your hair and you just blew right past it. I suck at compliments. No, you don't. You revel on them. Really? Yeah. Thank you. You just go like this.

Oh, really? Yeah. Are they covering up my dimples? That's right. No, I'm atrocious at it. Let's go, dimps. The only haircut I ever remember not liking, legitimately ever. is Charlize Theron and...

Mad Max? I think Fast of the Furious. Is that what you... Oh. It's like that weird bowl situation? I don't remember. I got to look it up and you guys will be like that. How do we get on here?

Let's move around. Correct. I did? Yeah, I did. But I think she survives. I think... Yeah. You know who could crap out is Hank.

Hank and his wife. Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer could go. Yeah, I could see that. Don't worry about the haircuts. And that's an easy enough... It's not good. Not good. It's not good.

It's not good. Yeah, that's not good. Text that to me, I'll put it up. Pull it up. No, I think, and that's a safe kill in a way, you know, like. Yeah, because it's, and it's devastating, but the- It's devastating, but you're not, like, it's not like a character. You're going to go, like, oh, well, now, what do we do now?

You know, so. The thing that this movie, this trailer, excuse me, really did was it, it has stakes. And I think that a lot of the, minus Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, I don't feel like a lot of the movies had stakes, right? This is, and people can argue with me, it's fine. Go ahead, have a blast. But I feel like the overall phase, and I think that this is showing that the,

not only for the events of this film, but I think that this will start to have stakes for phase five. You mean stakes for the MCU? Yeah. Yeah, not just for the movie. Not just in the movie. Other movies that obviously have stakes within the film. Of course, of course.

I admit stakes for the overall through line of the phase. I do think it's easier not to play devil's advocate, but it is a little easier to have stakes when it's, It's your third movie and you have the biggest villain that's coming into it. I think that they are set up to have stakes. But yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Chimmy cherry on top.

Yeah. I mean, well, they need it though, too, because it's the first, because, you know, phase four has been divisive. And I think phase five. Lackluster a little bit. Right. Yeah. And I think that as far as an overall phase, right? And if you come out with the lead villain of the guy who's going to be the main guy in the Kang Dynasty,

and all that stuff, and then really punched us right in the mouth in that first movie, and then you follow that up with Guardians, and then you got the Marvels. I mean, that's a big year if they can deliver on all three of those. And I think the Marvels will be the lighter of the tone. I'm so excited for the Marvel. The trailer looked really good. I'll tell you, we just re-watched Captain Marvel the other day. Like the less than I did when I saw it the first time, I think that she needs the help with the other two.

Do you think the actresses? I love Brie Larson as far as her performances in independent movies and small movies. I think she's a really great actress. She is very acty in Captain Marvel when you watch it back. Does she hear you say she's smile more? Yeah. Oh, definitely. I'm not going to say that.

No. No, no. I think she's just, and it could be the directing too, hence why they're not coming back. Or character. There's so many elements. It's like these little things. definitely direction as well. She's in the middle of the hall. She's just, huh. And it's like these little moments that just aren't, it's not great. It's not necessarily her fault is going to be

direction. And the term is used too many times, but I think it's accurate. And she feels wooden in the performance sometimes. I think there's other things going on that are fine. But I do think that with the addition of the other two marvels, I think it's going to play more of like a buddy kind of buddy action film and I think that's going to benefit her tremendously I think she's going to be able to bounce off because those are the best moments of Captain Marvel's when she's bouncing off people I haven't rewatched it in a while I remember I really I really liked it but I think that the just in general I like group movies I like yeah movies like that and especially I don't think we've seen I guess uh going over to camp

DC Birds of Prey was more of a woman buddy movie and I fucking loved that movie even though it bombed but I think that had a lot to do with COVID. So yeah, this looks awesome to me. I'm so excited for it. So either way though, it starts out a good year from Marvel if they can deliver, I think they're going to have, Guardians 3 is probably going to, I think box office wise

will be the biggest out of the three. Guardians 3 will be the biggest. Do you think Guardians 3 is going to be bigger than Ant Man? Yes, because Amman comes out in February. And Man comes out in February, and it's got to get hit with a lot of competition. How much did Ant Man 2 make? How much did Guardians 2 make off the top of your head? On top of my head, if I was to guess.

I would say that Guardians 2 far surpassed Ant Man 2 in box office if I was to guess. But you're going to check it out? Yeah, I am. I think that might be true, but knowing what's happening with Ant Man here, I'm almost looking at this Ant Man as you know how Captain America Civil War is not really a Captain America movie? I kind of am thinking that for this Ant Man movie. I agree. This is going to be the biggest one.

Okay, so Guardians of the Galaxy 2 made... Worldwide? Worldwide, 863 million. So now let's see Ant Man 2. Okay. Ant Man 2 box office is $622 million, so $200 more million. Was Guardians. It was Guardians.

You could definitely be right in the months to do help, but if this really is opening up phase 5, and if this really is like, you have to watch us to understand. the MCU. We know Guardians isn't really going to be that. We know Guardians isn't going to be must see to understand what takes place. No, but it's the end of the franchise. Yeah, it is. So I think that's, and it's the end of James Gunn.

You definitely could be right, but you could be wrong. Sure. But I just think summer movies in the past, if you are going to bet a release in May will always do better than a release in February. That's true. And if there was no competition coming out for Aunt. man afterwards, then I would say, well, it is.

It comes out on like the end of February, the middle of it has like two weeks to really live on its own, and then everything comes out. Dungeons and Dragons, John Wick. Like there's like... Your flapper show. My flapper show, there's like four or five,

there's like four or five major movies coming out in March. But what about May? You've got to think that there's going to be stacked. Sure, but for some reason and it... More people, more time to see a movie. Yeah, and then more people go and see it opening weekend and everything to... If I had money...

I had to put money on it. I think you're right. It's going to be Guardians, but I think it's going to be pretty close, actually. I think that Ant Man 3 is going to do really well. I think it's a billion dollars, but I think it does a billion. You think Guardians hits a billion?

Maybe. Maybe. You think this is going to be the highest gross in Guardians movie? Yes, I do. I think because it's the end. I think it's going to be, it's from what people said from that Comic-Con trailer was really emotional.

As I said, it's the last you're going to see them. Batista said this is the last time playing drags. I think the Christmas special probably brought in some people, too, that may have checked that out and then want to see the guardian, you know, so I think that's why it has a leg up on Ant Man because it's, you know, I think it's more for the people that aren't like totally engulfed and just kind of watch one here and there. I don't disagree with you.

I think they're both going to do really well. I think, and this is not because of anything except those movies have been so grounded already. I think that that Guardians says the best, that Ant Man and then the Marvels. And Marvels has a shot to do even better, too, because it's coming out in summer as well. It comes out in July. would be shocked if that movie did better than either of the other two movies, but I do think it will do well.

I do too. Yeah, I do too. It's going to make Ms. Marvel, she's going to be the star of the entire movie. I love her. She's fantastic. She's going to be the star. She's going to, like, she already has gotten eyes on her from the show. But just the scene alone that they showed at D23, she stands out over the other two. Did you finish the show? I did. Yeah. Ms. Marvel. Yeah, I loved it. Oh, even the whole way through? Yeah, I loved it. Did you not? I. Okay. Okay.

I like that one. I like that. I like that. I was, by far and way, the best part of her own show. Yeah. And which is important. I thought the first couple of episodes were fucking great. Yeah. Sorry to everybody at home who hates me. Curs so much. Is that something? Is that a thing? Oh. Oh, I didn't know that. You do because you deleted the comment. Oh, I did? I meant on purpose. Go ahead. Come on, go ahead. So I thought that the first few were great. Then when we started traveling, I was like, oh, this show is too big for its first season right now.

I just wanted to stay local and focus on her. And like, because I love coming of age stories like that. Like I wanted to see what was going on with her crushes. I wanted to see her in school more, you know. You wanted more of that Scott Pilgrim stuff. And then we left and it was like so big. And I was like, no, no. The big superhero part of the show is the thing I like the least.

Yeah. It was the family stuff that I liked the much. The family stuff was so great when we laughed. Yeah. She's fantastic. She's fantastic. Anyway, so there's a lot to happen, a lot going on that's going to happen in Marvel with this phase. And very curious for what you guys think.

What do you think? Go ahead and comment. Do you think that Ant Man, there's a conversation. Will Ant Man make more than Guardians or Guardians will make more out of the three of those? Rank them in the comment section, rank how you think they're going to do from box office. Not what are you going to like the most. All right. And before we have two other things to talk about.

We're going to do, we're just lead into the TV. thing in a second for Roxy, but there's another piece of news concerning television, and that is The Last of Us. Oh, baby. Yeah, man. So, you know, I had an opportunity to, I mean, I heard, I could have reached out to see if I could get the full screeners. It seemed like, did you get them?

No. And I was like, you know what I want? I had the same situation. Right. And I said, I don't want to. I decided for this show, I don't want to do the screeners. I don't want to do the early reviews. I don't want to do anything that.

I want to watch this every week. and I want to do the reactions to it because already this show is getting a lot of hype. My dad knows about this show. That is definitely an indication of my dad's. What's this last of a show? Also, a lot of the episodes I hear are 90 minutes.

I love that. Wow. Yes, absolutely, but it's a lot to binge. It's a lot to binge, right. And I don't want to do that. And it's got 100% already from the critics who have read it. Reddit watched it.

Critics reviews of the new HBO series, The Last of Us, They are out now, and after 29 reviews, probably more since this, the series is charting as of writing out a perfect 100% of Rotten Tomatoes, along with a very solid 82 out of 100 on Metacritic out of 18 reviews. Essentially, every review dubs it as the best video game adaptation ever made and points to it as precisely what a good adaptation should do, honoring the original while also expanding it and improving in some areas.

The few criticisms surrounding issues of pacing saying the show does, move a little too fast at times with the first episode, the weakest of the bunch. Others find a problem of this coming in the wake of other horror survival shows. All praise the deviations from the original game, especially episode three, which seems to be the high point of the whole series and many suspect it's going to be the one of the best to work.

This is great. This is great news because I think that, I mean, this is also HBO Max, which is when they have it, when they have it. But it's an HBO original. It's an HBO original, No, but it's on HBO. Yes, yes.

But there's still a difference between those two things. What exactly it is? I'm still unclear, but there is still a fucking difference. So either way, either way, it's on HBO. And it feels like every single time they do something that has like this hype around it, whether it's sopranos, the wire, freaking Game of Thrones, House of the Dragon, and Sex and the City, Entourage, it always works. It performs.

It performs. of these things where you're like, oh, it's getting all this hype and people are really, this HBO show, eh, it was alright, nobody's watching it. It's, it blows fuck up. As of this recording, yes. We, there are 61 reviews. It's at a 97 on the tomato meter. And bibs gave it a negative review. Probably. Who gave it the negative review? Let me look through. If it's bibs, I'm calling them. I'm not even kidding you. If it's bibs, I'm calling it. Okay, let me look. I'll go find it. I'm, I'm, I'm, if it's bibs, I'm going to call them. I'm hearing such great things about this. And it's not a surprise because one of the reasons why a lot of

video adaptations don't work is because they're lacking in story. Right. And what I hear from everybody who's played this game is that it has one of the most beautiful heartfelt stories to it. But it's, and it's also a little less about that too. It's a little less about the fact that this game itself doesn't have story. It's the, it's the fact that for some reason that, as they said in this report, for some reason, every video game adaptation that is made, they deviate from, from the,

completely from the story of what it made it special because they're like, because they always try to crunch it into a two-hour movie. And they take away what was beautiful about Max Payne, the game, or they take these other things, and they just change it. It's like, oh, well, they played it. We don't want to do the same beats. It's like, no, there's a reason why the same reason you read a book

and why people are excited about it. So if they're doing it this way and expanding, another reason why streaming works so much better, so much better, than movies sometimes when it comes to, I think video games in general should always be on a big streaming service. Like, God of War is coming out on streaming, also. Episodically, you mean.

Yeah, yeah. Not movies. When you said streaming, you don't mean like sometimes there's still like ABC, NBC. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about, yeah, more so like a, is it TV? Yeah, more like cinematic in the way that, whether it's Paramount Plus or Amazon Prime or HBO Max or Netflix, like those and the week to week series, like for video games, build, because movies, you just have to take out too much.

these games, they just last, like, they're, they're so involved, these stories. And I don't know, man, I just think that this is going to be, this is going to be pretty special. And I wonder, because I know that the second game is pretty, again, divisive fans, and I wonder if they're going to change up anything in two, because I don't even, I haven't played either one of the games, and I know what happens in two because of what. Yeah, I don't know what happened. Yeah. I remember everybody was livid about that.

Not everybody. Oh, upset or. Pissed. Yeah. Oh. And I, and I. And I would hope, because I don't want to spoil it for people who don't know. But I hope they do change that because it wouldn't make sense financially.

I don't think that's going to be in the first season, though. No, it would be season two. I played the first one. I haven't played the second, but my son's done both of them. And it's totally stoked on watching this with me, which is, you know, that alone is wonderful. Yeah, yeah. And I think that as far as a story and emotional story, you know, he was 14 at the time. He finished it.

And he was just sitting on. the edge of his bed just like wow oh my god yeah he's like you i don't know if you're going to be able to handle the second one down i was like really okay so i did the first one i want to do the second um i'll do it before the second season but um that being said i think yeah stick to the story for to to peace the people that played the game but the story alone is going to be great for anybody else i love that you're i love that you're going into this show having played the game and i know nothing about it that's how often does that happen yeah right So neither of the two people who gave it rotten are bids.

Should I shame the two people it was or not? Yeah, sure. I mean, that's not shaming. It's their opinion, yeah. One of them was Barry Hertz from Globe and Mail, who I don't know. What's his quote? He said, as hard as The Last of Us tries to convince its audience and perhaps itself, that it can borrow from and elevate the zombie thriller, it is unable to deliver something genuinely new.

Okay. Whatever. Some people use a lot of words. Yeah, that's true. The other one is Pat Brown from Slant Magazine, and he said, by stripping the gameplay out of a game that's fleshed out by television tropes,

the series ends up as mostly just the latter. Hmm. I mean, that's, you know, that's to be debated, right? That's like your opinion,

man. I just wish there was one critic on Rotten Tomatoes. This is why maybe I should go to try to be a critic on Rotten Tomatoes. That just said, this fucking slaps. Yeah, right? Do that,

You probably won't get accepted. But like, can anybody just speak? I'm so sorry. And I have a lot of critics. Go to the audience reviews. You'll get a lot of that. Just speak like a fucking person sometimes. Can you just say like, oh, this was dope?

There was that one part that kind of pissed me off, but the rest of it, sickness. Well, you just explained the difference between why. I'm not a critic. No, no, no. No. But why film criticism has changed so much in the course of 10 years. Like when Ellis and I used to go to the screenings, we felt very out of place because we were the first people never never know this and why should they because we don't promote it as much we were the first youtube reviewers ever certified on rotten tomatoes um that came from being on a podcast with matt actually at the time who was the editor in chief but um but there were there was nobody who was online doing reviews the way that we did it or just talking about normally right but like now that that but now it's like stuck me in and johns and all those guys rightfully so are are also on rotten tomatoes but um

we would go to these screenings and we would look around and we felt so out of place because you see like a great writer like Alonzo or all day and like Leonard Malton was there. And it is a craft. I mean just being of Leonard Malton, it's like what I just said has no weight on what he does. What he does is like brilliant and craft. But sometimes I read all the words and I'm like, well, did you like it? Right. And that's the difference though.

It's from the people who like that type of thing where they're reading it. And then there's people in the way that today is with TikTok and Instagram and YouTube. It's like people just want to turn on. That's why we were able to build something is because there are things that some people just like to go and say, okay, I just want to hear someone talk about it the way I talk about it with my friends. That's how Mark and I built our thing. You know, it's because of that. And now when I go to screenings, that's all I see.

I see. I mean, I shouldn't say all. But a majority, like, I'll see you at screenings. I'll see people at screenings that we now. I remember going to a premiere not too long. It was probably a few years ago and looking and saying, whoa, most of the people that I'm seeing here are either influencers now, YouTube critics, everything. Like, it's, I'm sure the print critics are here.

Yeah. But they don't, it used to be like they were the majority. They were the ones that was like, oh, my God, are we supposed to be here? Now I feel like it's the opposite. I guess that's what I'm talking about, Christian. I wish that the people that were doing these TikToks, YouTube, whatever, also had some kind of to print something so that when I'm reading reviews I think that they're there you just have to I just have to scroll more I think that you normally see the top they what they do is they do have

like a top critics thing so like the ones who have been around and I think that's fair the ones who've been there so they've been there but they've also been there for a long time so they get like the top critic status but if like if you went through all of them you probably start to see names that you recognize oh sometimes I do see names I recognize but yeah a lot of times the way they write about things I'm like I don't even know Those words are big. Well, we're on TV now. So before we go, we're going to get to our, we're going to get to our, you know, let me do this.

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you've got to check this movie out. It is powerful. It is emotional. And she is incredible in it. She's nominated for an Independent Spirit Award. Here's my opportunity. This was my opportunity to speak with her. We sat down in this studio.

And here that is. I'm going to show you that right now. All right, everybody. So I have told you about it. and now I'm going to tell you again. So there are times that I just get really moved when I'm watching a performance, and I think that not only from the performance to movie itself, to Leslie is a film that I was watching with my wife recently,

and I think that it really strikes home to a lot of people because most people know somebody who has gone through a struggle, whether that person comes out of the struggle, fights through the struggle, whatever it might be, we've been there before. to Leslie really explores that and really goes down that path and I'm telling you how much it really moved me when I was watching because of stuff I've talked about with my brother and other things so I think one of the main reasons that the movie is so special

is because of the brilliant performance from my guest she is nominated for a Spirit Award ladies and gentlemen please give a warm welcome to Andrea Rysbara how are you? Very well thank you that was such a lovely thing to hear I meant it. I meant every word of it. It was a really, really special movie, very special performance. And I'm getting a little, even a little emotional thinking about it because it was, my brother went through a lot. It passed away in 2018. It's okay. Sorry to open it up just like that right away, but I wanted to tell you how watching it and watching what you do and in this film and seeing how you can really bring that forward. and it's not just a performance,

it's bringing this slice of life and showing what people are capable of. So with all of that said, tell me about how you were involved in this project in the first place and how it kind of came across for you going, I need to do this, I need to tell this story. I met Michael Morris, who's our director, on a show that I was doing here called Bloodline,

which I enjoyed as an experience in some ways, but really Michael was my, but it was a bit, I was a bit at sea because I'm more familiar with film. And so, and theater, you know what I mean? Yeah. And Michael was our showrunner. And so he was like the keeper of the narrative.

He was like my director. You know, he was the one solid person that I relied on narratively and emotionally for everybody's story, really. And so I already felt very much like I'd worked with him. And I had, he directed an air, episode or so. And then he brought me this script and he was so moved by it and on the face of it

this woman who is grappling with being human might not look very much like he could identify it all with Michael Morris the director but I think that's the wonderful thing about what the film does is that it's like spending some time with somebody who's struggling with life rather than looking at their life

through the lens of judgment, reducing her experience to just being a mother, for example. And so you spend some time with this person and I think because of that, when I read the script, I felt we could all see ourselves in her. And in some way, whether we've been in Leslie's position

or we've orbited somebody like Leslie in our lives, there's a feeling of wanting to do well for those that you love. And failing because we're all human and we all fail. That's absolutely right. And one of the things I was saying to my colleagues right before we started was that as we were watching this movie with my wife and I, she had said, um,

this is rock bottom. This is rock bottom where this woman has gone at the moment. And we didn't know, and I'm not going to spoil this for anybody, but we didn't know where it was going to go. And you had given an interview recently that I really, um, I thought said,

said it well and that Leslie's a bit of an anti-hero. In every way. And I think we see that lesson, but sadly, we see that less and less in female characters in cinema, which is very strange actually because if you think about Panning a needle park, I feel like I've referenced that film so many times talking about this, or Scarecrow. You know, this film in many ways was shot on film in 19 days.

It's a hark back to 70s cinema. We do 10 scenes a day sometimes. Yeah. It's a character-driven film and there's an intimacy to it and a total lack of sensationalism as well. So the reason that the piece moved me so much was because it was written by Leslie's son. And he wrote for her in this film

what she really couldn't attain in life. Her ending was a little different. And I think that's the incredible power of cinema. there are people who struggle with addiction the way Leslie does. And aside from that, what's important to note is that she's vivacious and fun and she's magnetic. You want to be around her. This woman wins the lottery very early on, and this is based on a true story.

And then she sadly, well, and generously, somewhat generously. buys everybody drinks in the bar for the next year and a half until she becomes homeless and penniless and everyone's turned their back on her. There are so many things to unpack in that. The first of them is just wanting acceptance in a community. Right. Desperately craving that love.

But she also has this deep hole inside that cannot be satiated by anything. It doesn't matter how many drinks, cigarettes, lines of whatever. There's nothing that can fill that. Really other than the love she has for us, son and I think for some people in life that love turns them around it's not about the strength of the love it's just about whether they're lucky enough for it to get in there and have that for it to save them you know I mean life's so hard and and also so wonderful yeah and I think a lot of people

who go through this journey are some of the most magnetic captivating personalities that you have the fortune to be touched by in life. And because of that, perhaps a little too shiny for the world. And I think there's something about Leslie's story that we could all identify with, which is that she's very aware of the reality that she's not, that it's not her that's broken. You know, I mean, she's not doing very well. She struggles a lot.

But she's really in touch with the idea that, it's everything else. The system's broken. Right. And she doesn't want to clean toilets. Right. Right. You know, she has these dreams that she can't execute.

She doesn't have the tools. She's given $150,000. It's enough to sort of drink yourself to death, really. But it's not to somebody not equipped with the tools to know how to invest that. I mean, who from her background? from my background, of that had happened to me when I was her age. I wouldn't have known anybody who was, I wouldn't have had any guidance in that way.

And on top of that, she's battling this awful addiction. Yeah, and that was the, and you said something just now, you said 17 days it took to shoot this? I might have shaved two off, 19. Okay, 19 days. So 19 days to shoot this. And not only is that impressive, just in the number alone, but of where you need to go mentally for that.

The other thing that it is not easy to play someone who is addicted. It's not easy to play someone who is – it's not easy to play junk in general, whether it's in a comedy. And so to do it so convincingly, where do you need to go if you don't mind asking? Like, how do you get there and be able to stay there in 19 days? And obviously from the great performances you had around you with whether it's Mark Marion, Alice and Janney, but how do you do that, stay in there, and then come out of it going,

what do you have to do afterwards to say, I need some time? Well, I didn't get any. No. We shot, I started, I was working on Amsterdam before we shot this, in prepping that,

and then we started shooting it a few days after I had we wrapped this. I think all the things that you, have you seen Bill Nye's performance in living? I have not, not yet. I know, I know, it's an extraordinary performance.

And when I think about his performance in that film, I think about Bill having taken in everything in his life. I sent this to him when I saw it, having taken in everything in his life. And then this performance almost being the marker of all of that bleeding out through his eyes. I mean, he says very little in the, actually says very little in the film. He's a man of very few words, the character. But he is through his eyes, you see how very much.

much he's experienced and, you know, without him having to really do anything except not speak. And it creates this type of repression that we're all familiar with, you know, like that's crying out through your eyes, help me, but with your mouth closed, you know, not speaking. And I think having watched that performance, it made me think of when we were making to Leslie, because this is one of the four films that I've been out talking about. It's also the one with the least financial support because we don't have a big platform behind us. Right, right, right.

But it's, I think, just having to commit to stepping into that experience that you've had in your own life, you know, having looked into those sort of empty eyes or, you know, painful. a painful experience someone's having. It all makes a mark on your soul, doesn't it? Especially if it's a family member or a dear, dear friend who you love. So I think really life experience more than anything.

And of course I didn't grow up in Lubbock, Texas. Our lives are very different. Could have fooled me. Could have fooled me. That was something that was really satisfying, planning her life out because actually the story's not based into, It's the original story this is based on was not in Texas.

So really this is its own beast, you know, the film. But I think I think just life experience, really. And I don't think I'm alone in having that experience. I don't think I've ever made a film where there was one screening and it was like I was talking to hundreds of people and everybody came up to me and said, you made me think of this person. I've had this experience.

And I think the reason we were able to achieve that was the I think mainly the driving force of these 19 days which, as you said, emotionally and in terms of intoxication

all over the map is the sort of trifecta of our director, Michael Morris, like me having to drive it, if you know what I mean, because I'm in every scene. Me having to drive, we didn't have any time to piss about for once in a better phrase.

And our DP Larkin, who also shot everything everywhere all at once. Oh, wow. It's brilliant, brilliant. Yeah, yeah. And with film, we didn't have a lot of film as well. So, you know, and all sorts of things happen. You roll out processing time is difficult.

It was the height of the pandemic. It was at the end of 2020. And it was a very, very difficult time. So we weren't allowed to be close to each other either. That was an extraordinary experience in itself because I was playing a character who was surrounded by people in deeply lonely. I was going to ask you if that helped or hurt the performance

a little bit of both, maybe? No, I think everything helps. I don't think anything ever. Well, I meant as far as being around from the, I should say, hurting as far as the preparation for the performance, when it comes to, because you said you're someone who's around people all the time and then being away, but then at the same point, you're kind of like, maybe that's what she is.

Maybe she feels trapped a lot of times too, so. I tend to feel the only thing that could have heard of performance is you getting into your own head and thinking that was terribly good, you know. Right. That's probably the worst thing you've ever done. Well, it was, it really, and as you said, there was a lot of stuff that it just reminded me of. And I think that one of the things, and you mentioned this in the beginning of this conversation,

was not to look at people with this kind of sense of judgment and more of it can be an understanding. And I think that one of those things, I notice all the time, especially in Los Angeles, there's a big population of people who don't have homes, people who are on the street. And what this movie did,

and I brought it up a few times to my wife afterwards, and it was this understanding, there's a certain scene as you're going to see your son the first time off the bus after it's been, and you saw this interview with her where she was so vibrant in the beginning where she was like jumping up and down. And that's where she was to where she then ultimately was driven to.

And I immediately said, as now, I don't think I'm ever going to, I've always done this, but I think even more so to look and say, how, don't judge, how did that person get there? What's the, what's the story? How can they be helped? These types of things. And I think that that's very important why I think a lot of people need to see this film. Did you see, have you seen Barbara Loden's wonder?

I did, yes. So in that same way that we speak. spend time with wonder. Yeah. That was really a cornerstone for Michael and I with Leslie. Oh, yeah. And I'm so happy you've seen it because it's just one of the most beautiful films.

That's because of Perry and Emerald of shoes. All these, these, she's my go-to when it comes to certain, certain films that I need to know about. I lean to Perry. But yes, so, I mean, but that particular moment was something.

And then the idea that you get to, you talked about bloodline, you know, and. Well, it's funny. You should mention that moment, actually, because Owen played my son on my line. Yeah, I know, I know. We have this history, and we hadn't seen each other

for the same amount of time that the characters hadn't seen each other for in the film. Wow. So I'd seen him, you know, the last time I saw him, he was, I feel awful saying this in interviews over and over again

recently, because he's a grown man and a wonderful actor, but he was a kid when I met him, you know, and his mom was there chaperone and everything. I'm sure he won't mind me saying that. It was a truth. He was a kid, you know, and then so, when we work together again

one of the first things that he saw was Leslie stepping off the boss when she's homeless and it's a very difficult thing to see it was very difficult for I could see how hard it was for him to see and that was a really beautiful moment for Leslie

I mean she's overcome with joy you know to see him yeah and he's so has so much dignity and he's so well turned out. And she's, I mean, she's, you know, she's filled with pride, even though she's sort of, in those scenes when you look at her,

you can really smell how dark it's gotten. Well, working with Owen again, what, how did that, did that come about just, oh, wow, so we cast and, oh, I worked with him, or was there, was there a suggestion on your part? No, it was my call. I mean, well, it's a long story, but basically they needed somebody on Bloodline who looked like Ben Mendelso and photograph. Yeah.

And so they took a photograph of this kid who hadn't done much from Florida. And he ended up being, and then the writer started writing for that character. And everyone thought, my God, I think we've actually seen him, you know, on the show in an image. And so they auditioned him and he was just extraordinary and fantastic. And he was so good that he ended up playing two parts on the show, Ben's younger self and his son. Right. So that was at the beginning of his career, and he was, you know, we were,

I was playing a very, very young mother compared to his character, you know what I mean? So we were the two, like, younger people on set at the time, and he would ask me about training, about what it was like to go to Rada, and, you know, the merits of doing that

and not doing that, and he just started. He was fantastic in a job. Yeah, yeah. And he's such a brilliant actor. He really is. It was nice to see you guys, like, kind of working together again because right away, I was like, oh, because my wife and I watched Bloodline. And I will say, you know, you'd said that you, from film,

whether it's what you had done in Birdman, these movies that you've done with film and theater has been your thing. You said, I'm not, the television thing was a little. The thing that confuses me about television is that in some setups, and this really isn't my thing, is that the door seems to be revolving, and there are directors coming in and out all the time. And it's very difficult, you know, each of those directors, as much as they want to do the job, perhaps,

also have their passion projects that they want to do. That's not that. And, I mean, it goes about saying that we all want to, if we can, as much as possible work on those things that everybody's just desperate to make. Well, so with that, I mean, and again, I know it was just announced and you can't really go into detail with it, because the announcement of the palace kind of had come. out and that's that's going to be HBO Max and with Kate Winslet and from succession and

at creators and so is it was that the reason why you were going back to TV because it was one focus project well Stephen Frears is directing that okay I thought so okay that's the you know I mean he's helming it he's the helmsman and so that's that's many many things Firstly, it's one of the most brilliant things that I've read in about 10 years. So I'm really, really excited about it. But also, and adversely, really, Kate, who just finished making the Lee Miller biopic together. And she's just such a...

I don't have words. She's such a generous, beautiful, human, lovely, just the best, most down-to-earthous, lovely, lovely human. I love hearing that. And, um, an extraordinarily talented and it was so brilliant to work with her. So when we sort of talked about that,

the idea of doing that with Kate and with Stephen, um, is, I mean, you know, that's an unmissable opportunity. So really, really excited.

We're in pre-production now. So that goes, and that basically goes into what you're saying that when it comes to a project, the passion project, then that's, that's what gets you, excited that you want to do it as opposed to the revolving doors. And also there's something different to episodic television as opposed to a mini-series.

This is a mini-series. And I just produced a miniseries last year as well. I have, with Uho Korsmanon directing, you know, who directed. Did you see his film? Which one? Um, why is his film escaping? Compactment number six. I did not say it.

It was the entrance of Finland. Okay. Okay. It's a beautiful film. Both of his films are beautiful. But that's a wonderful, that's a wonderful experience because then you can curate an experience with,

and really just film maker driven. Yeah, yeah, it seems. So you can even do something episodic, but with a fantastic film director, and you can craft the piece, almost like a long film, rather than people coming in and out and, you know, lots of different writers

and I always get a bit lost in that environment. I haven't quite worked out why, but I don't think it's my... Cup of tea? Yeah. So, well, and with that, you mean, you've worked with the Duffer Brothers as well. Yeah, yeah.

So that... That seems like 100 years ago. Probably was. Well, it was between Duffer Brothers, and then you worked with, it feels like you've worked with every Scars Guard. Literally almost have. It seems like it.

Yeah. Yeah, and with, well, that's why I asked when you worked with the Duffer Brothers, I guess it was from 2012, was there, is, if, because they had this final season of Stranger Things, is that something, because it's not necessarily episodic, they shoot those like movies. If that kind of came across, is that your cup of tea particular, if they were like, hey, we'd have something for you and Stranger Things at the final season. Would you want to do that? Oh, I think, I mean, I think they're fantastic.

I don't think they need me on the end of Stranger Things, do they? No, you don't think so? No, God. They can get somebody much more splashy. Oh, come on. See, that's the thing, though. I don't think Splashy is the thing with that show, though. I think it's a matter of also when it comes to, like, talent.

And I think that I'm, as I said, and one of the main reasons I really want to speak to you today, and is that movie, like, to be, kicked my ass. It really did. And in the best way possible, you know, and I think that more people need to see it because of that and the understanding, but not just because of what we just talked about for the last, like, 10, 12 minutes, but showing me it's not about flashy. It's about what can that person make me feel? And I think that that's exactly what you do.

And I'd love to see in something like that. I'd love to see in other things that you want to be challenged in, obviously. But I want to see you and more stuff like that as well. I think that's the thing. I mean, I just really truly love film. Yeah. And I love theater. And those two things are very, very close to my heart.

So those are the things that always, you know, for me, end up at the top of the pile. Yeah. And I find a mini series quite similar to film. I see that. I mean, and I think that's also one of the things with streaming in general where you could do something like that because I think streaming and you can you can tell me if I feel like it's just changed the game as far as what actors can do and and the idea of just really exploration inside of a character because you mentioned with Kate Winsley, the mayor of Easttown and what

she was able to do in that. I mean just oh, chef's kiss. So good with that performance in general. But I had seen her in an interview where she was talking about they don't know if there's going to be a season two or not. It wasn't intended for a necessarily season two because as you said, it was about the expiration of a character and what you can dive deep and inside of doing. But there's, do you find there's way more opportunities to, for, not just in film though,

with exploration into character, um, with, you know, I guess it's really just going to depend on who is making it, right, and who's writing it? I think,

I think if you've, so I started in theater when I was very young. I did a lot of, you know, like very by the book, classical stuff, um, et cetera,

blah, blah, blah. I think when you're from that background, and you've done a check-off for six months every night, night after night, even comparing something episodic that keeps going and going and going, it could never really make a dent even in the amount that you managed to delve in a theatre production in a sense

because you're sort of reliving and reliving over and over again in theatre. you know so so um i find i do find you know some of those episodic things that keep going for a long long time interesting and and i can see how actors like to have a lot of time to expand and you know to explore their character in in in that sort of way um but i but i don't always feel that they a lot of them get lost and those ones that don't get lost like they lose their way right narratively and therefore emotionally and all the other ways. But, and people, like I said, people leave and the people whose colonel it was in the beginning are no longer there.

Right. And the character can look dramatically different at some point because of all of that kind of mixing together maybe. Yes, and that's really, that's where the gatekeepers, as actors, that's our job to maintain that. But sometimes it's, I mean, of course, you're at the mercy of many, many things. And so it's very strange. It's like having absolutely no idea who your character is really.

It's being consistently written for you. Alan Rickman talked about that with the Harry Potter's, and that was why he had to know what was happening before anybody else did because he really didn't know who he was playing at a certain point. He had to insist upon. I remember hearing that, yeah, yeah. Just as a very kind of mainstream example of that. But yeah well and you know with with the example of like theater and and I had watched something recently with with when you were talking about bird man and you talked about um I think that there is such a theatrical obviously from the theater.

The shot the one shot that was able to take and I know you'd spoken about this before but and being in that performance and having to maneuver around and doing all that is you have to like kind of die behind things in order can you can you can you. Tell me, did that take you out of the performance at all? Or did it take you out to where you're like, it's going to be tough? How do you prepare for it, I should say? Sometimes. Sometimes. That was certainly a feat. But the great thing is, with a film, again, you know, we're all living out somebody's vision,

and he's standing right in front of us. And he has the greatest partners with him, he always works. Everyone's a trusted friend. And, you know, to bump into Chivo is an honor. We all did it quite a lot on that one. But, have you seen Bardot? Yes.

I think it's such a... He's something else. He's just something else. He really is. He's so courageous. Yeah, he's got a lion's heart. But it was a very strange experience because it was so clear to all of us that we were doing,

which is very, which is very familiar, because it feels almost like choreography. But it was so clear to all of us who were trying to achieve something that was technically that hadn't been, that had been touched on before and done in different ways,

Russian Ark is one example, but hadn't quite been achieved in this same way. Certainly not on this scale because the film bleeds into the protagonist's psyche. So it becomes magical in every sense.

Whereas Russian arc is more a, you see the history, you see a lot of history of Russia in it. But it's less a dream. And so, I think the thing was to just absolutely, whether we went to do it 10 times or 150 times,

and that sometimes did happen, the entire six scenes, you know, because the movement was very difficult. You just had to have minutes yourself every single time as if it was that, you know, which is our job, the absolute first time that you were doing it and discover it every single time so that you didn't give 150 versions of something that was a little labored and not very present or, you know, certainly not brilliant. And it was really hard to maintain. That was the, that was the difficulty. Did you,

did you know when you guys are on set, did you kind of feel it from working with him going, this is going to be something. It's going to be pretty special. In every way. Yeah. But he creates that environment. You know, there are so, there are authors that you start a film and you realize you're starting, you're not starting off on a, on the blocks, on a running line that's, you know, you're starting from a place of total complicity and imagination. He has all the crew stand together and, you know.

before you start the actual shoot, the crew and cast. And you very much feel like you're forming a union. It's just a very, very difficult thing to do. We'd get to 7pm sometimes at night. We've been at work since 7 a.m. And we wouldn't have anything they can. And that was an extraordinary situation. It wasn't because things are going wrong.

It was because it was a very different way of shooting. Yeah. But I've worked with a lot of directors who shoot in very different ways. Mike Lee was one of the first people that I worked with, and that experience was really formative for me, and I'm so, so, so grateful for it, because he is such a, has such integrity, and he's incredibly character-driven

and has a really unique and secret sort of process, which is, yeah, that was just the most, I mean, I'm in the film for about two and a half minutes, I worked on it for seven months. And I couldn't be more grateful, you know, for that experience. Well, I have to thank you for sitting down here today and talking with us. It was an absolute pleasure. And thank you again for the performance.

Thank you for the film. And if there's anything that for people out there that have, have an opportunity to see it, is there anything in general that they should know kind of going into it or just to find it in general? I think, you know, it gets, you say an American gnarly. Yeah. It gets pretty gnarly, but I'd say, I'd say watch it and hold on because there's some, I think you'll walk away from it feeling renewed.

Couldn't agree more. Thank you so very much for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, please, please, please, please check out to Leslie. Andrea, thank you once again. Thanks so much. Okay, everybody. All right, once again, thank you to Andrea Reisborough. Brett, how awesome was she?

Wonderful. And again, just like Diego Luna, I mean, like the, You know, our two big guests we've had in there. Just, oh, nice to meet you very, you know, and then the behind the scenes kind of banter was just, they were totally casual, totally fun. And you could, I knew you were having fun and enjoying yourself interviewing. She was great.

And Perry, too, you was. And you, because Roxy, full disclosure, Roxy was, I was going to have Roxy on, but she was hosting S-E-N live because we had our one-to-punch back in the day. But as far as interviews go. Yeah, but we'll be doing more. We're doing more. I'm a shoehorn myself in.

No, no, no, we'll get you in there for sure. But anyway, so she's really great. And I hope you, please comment and let me know what you thought of the interview. I need to know. And I want more people to see it because we'll get more guests like Andrea. So, all right, before we leave, before we get out of here today, Roxy, let's tell some people what they should be watching this week on the TVs. You ready?

Yeah, I'm ready. It's a week. All right, here we go. So first one. Okay, so if you watch the Golden Globes this week, there might be some shows that you haven't watched and people winning for those shows and you haven't seen them and you're wondering,

is it really worth the hype, which is why I put Euphoria on this list because just for Zendaya's performance alone, I think that this show is worthwhile. It is a very difficult watch. No, no, no, don't even address you. It'll still be the picture. Edits, edits.

It is a very, very difficult watch. Like I think that if Christian and Brett haven't seen it yet, I think you two in particular would have a really hard time watching it because it does show a lot of what teenage girls go through at the worst of it. And they do get into drugs and sex and rock and roll and all of the things. It is challenging. Yeah. But if you at one point in life were a teenage girl struggling,

you watch it and you're like, ooh, this totally, like you, Brett, a teenage girl, you feel for it. then even if you weren't ever, it's so beautifully artistically shot and done. And Zendaya is amazing. All the performances are amazing. And I think that it got, a lot of people think it got better in season two. I think season three is going to be even better. It's building.

It's growing. And she deserves all of the awards that she continues to get. All right. So that's HBO Max. Yeah, that's HBO Max. All right. Next one. Inventing Anna, if you're like me, you're obsessed with Julia Garner.

And she was nominated for this. She won for Ozark at the Globes, and I have not spoken about Inventing Anna because it came out at a time where so many shows were coming out, like the dropout, and like We crashed and all of those true crime shows that don't have to do with murder necessarily. Inventing...

It's murder! Right. Right. So Invending Anna, where there's no murder, is really good, and you kind of watch Julia Garner's performance and you're like, is she not good in this? But what is that accent?

And then you look up videos of the actual Anna Delvey and you're like, holy shit. The whole point is this woman's a con artist, her voice isn't real. Yeah. She's made up an accent. So it's the same thing as what's her face. The other one, the Elizabeth. Holmes, yeah, exactly. It's the same thing as Amanda Seyfried.

It's a tip for tat. Amanda, I think, won the globe for this for a dropout. But the two of them had two of the best performances of the year by far. And in Vending Ann, if you don't know the story of Annadelvie, it's fascinating. This woman scams the biggest people on, on, I was going to call it Broadway. It's not it. Where's all the money? Wall Street?

Wall Street. Planned Earth. I'm with it. I have a lot of money in my savings account. On Wall Street, she scams them all out of millions and millions of dollars. It's like crazy to watch this. For all intents of purposes, she's a little girl. And she just scams them all.

It's insane. So she's like the, what, the female Bernie Madoff? Kind of, but like a kid. Yeah. And she is like a kid. So it sounds like Bernie Madoff meets Catch Me If You Can. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, because there's also the travel element to the two.

I mean, this woman is the greatest con artist we've ever seen. She was sent to prison, and she, like, started doing TikToks from there about this and watching the show. And it is the same person as Joaqu Gardner's character. It's crazy. So go back and watch us if you missed it. I've heard really good things about it. All right, so this is invented, and that's on Netflix. Yeah.

All right, here's the next one. I wanted to talk a little bit about Ryan Murphy's shows because... Yeah, he was honored at the Globes. And feud is a show that I think is so underrated, and they're going to be doing a second season this year. So five years later, they are doing a second season of feud. And I want to tell you guys, this is crazy. Even me paying attention to all TV,

I was not paying attention to who's going to be in the second season of feud. It's going to be Demi Moore, Callista Flockhart, Diane Lane, Molly, Ringwall, the Naomi Watts, and it's all directed by Gus Van Zant. Oh, wow, yeah, yeah. Do Google Hunting, which is my favorite movie. So that's coming this year. So if you want to get a taste of feud, I definitely recommend watching this.

It's like if you are interested in old Hollywood at all, that's where Ryan Murphy really shines. He understands what this business used to look like, and he really brings up the tension in feud. It's one of his best shows and definitely his most underrated one. So I think check that out if you're interested. And Ryan Murphy. Who's having a better run right now?

Ryan Murphy or Taylor Sheridan? Ryan Murphy's just been having a run for 20 years. I'm saying right now. So I think Taylor Sheridan. Yeah. I mean, what he's doing right now is insane. Insane. All right.

So that's now, so that's feud. What's that on, that's on FX? Yeah. So Hulu. Okay. Let me double check. FX just absolutely slats. Cool.

All right. Next one. And while we're on Ryan Murphy and, and if you listened to his speech last night, he gave all the flowers to MJ Rodriguez, so I wanted, sorry, two nights ago, I wanted to recognize Pose. Pose is a show that I started watching late

because everybody who I know who watches TV was like, trust me, this is a show you cannot miss. Pose is one of the best shows of this last decade, and I think because the concept is so foreign to a lot of us, like this ballroom dance, back in the Vogue era, Dance. Ballroom dance.

It's a blitz. Ballroom dance. You know what? That's a Mandela effect. You thought it was a ballroom. Blitz. But it's actually a ballroom dance. Right.

I loved that scene. Ballroom dance. It was really good. Ballroom dance. So this is the greatest performances. It is the first time that a trans actress was recognized at the Globes. It is just like drama packed. It's also going through the time period in New York with that.

AIDS epidemic. It is like so beautiful and sad and heartwarming and I've never seen a show like it. And it's only, I think, three seasons and it had an unbelievable ending. So if you want something that's fully wrapped, that is excellent, that probably is different than the world you're living in and gives you a whole window into a whole new world, definitely pose really, really great. And that's on what same thing? Yeah.

All right. That's FX. Okay. So. And last. Okay. No, not last. one more after this. There is that one? Okay. Allie Wong, if you have it, I've been going through

specials, you guys know, and I've been going through the best of 2022 to make sure I didn't miss anything. So I rewatch this Ali Wong special because I had watched it kind of in the background. This is, I don't know if this is how you feel about who you guys like as stand-ups. Have you guys seen this special? Yeah. Yeah. This one, I haven't seen this one. The shit she says in this Christian, I'm like, I would never, ever have the balls to do what she did. Right. Well, such as. She's just straight up is like, I want to cheat on my husband every second of every day. But by the way, I don't know this, but I think they got divorced.

Yeah. That's what my wife told me when we were watching it. Like, she's like, this is how I feel about every man. The thing she says about, she opens up actually how she's feeling. It's not a good sell in the special so far. It's hysterical, but you're like, holy shit. This woman is laying it all out on the line. Like, she does not give a fuck with the.

ramifications are for this. And I just had a lot of respect, not for what she wants to do by cheating on her husband, but just the fact that she's like, my comedy comes before anything else in the, before my family. She just wants to talk. She just wants to talk about what's on her mind.

Yeah. And it was funny as hell and cringe and you're like, oh my God, like the way she talks about orgasming and shit, like just whatever it was. I was like, holy shit. I know what you're talking. I'm crazy raunchy and I don't, I would never.

And my cap's off to you because you're hysterical. She's hysterical. Yeah, I know what she's talking about. It's, you're like, you're watching and you're legitimately like, what? Okay, this is my show of the week, though. This is my, if you're going to watch one of my shows, if you're going to watch one show. What is this? What is this?

What is this? What is this show? Tell us what is this. It's a show. It's a show. What is this? It's on Netflix. It's called Don't Pick Up the Phone.

Oh, okay. This is a docu series that is three, What's it about? What is this show about? What's it on? Is it a television show? Television show as opposed to. Is this a television show?

Is this a program? Is this a program? Is this going to interrupt with my stories? You guys happy with yourselves right now? It's a good one. I also want to let you guys know that I said if there's one. show you have to watch and that's the one you wanted to interrupt. That's the one we're going to interrupt.

Oh. Come on, spit it out, Rox. Let's their show up. This is TV? Okay. Don't pick up the phone. I wonder if you guys remember the story. I do not.

It took place in the late 90s, early 2000s, and what happened was there was this one guy going around calling all of these fast food restaurants, pretending to be a cop and convincing the managers to strip search their employees. And it happened to hundreds of places, mostly McDonald's, but all different fast food places. He would get the manager. He would say, this is a police officer. This woman was caught stealing customers' wallet. She's five feet tall, very small build.

That's what he would say. And everybody had an employee like that. We need you to strip search her. And the manager would bring them into the office. And he would convince them to get her completely naked. On their lap, the manager would get them completely naked. It'd sit on their lap. One of the managers had them give her a blow job because they said,

we need to know if it's down her throat, the money. Like these people, you think that they are, that there's something seriously wrong with them, but they all like talk about how they just were following authority. And all of a sudden they realize they're in a position where they're like, wait, what hundreds of times has happened.

And hundreds of times. This is a three-part series that watching it. My jaw was on the ground because it's all the people being interviewed, the people this happened to, the managers, the lawyers of them. of these people them trying to find the man making the phone calls. Did they ever find them?

I don't want to tell you. Oh, okay. Man. This series was nuts. I was like, what the fuck is this story? Wow. And then it stopped in 2004. It went until 2004.

What is this? That's kind of what I was asking the whole time watching. So, but this person that's making these calls doesn't witness any of this. It's all about just hearing about just to see if you could do it. And in it worked. hundreds of times. Do you think it'd work on my wife?

I told her there was some money hidden down her throat. Well, because normal people like us, try it, let it smell. Normal people like us, you hear this. Just curious, I don't know if this was more of a Infotainment. Sorry, what's your show about?

You hear this, and normal people like are like, why would a manager do that? That would never do that. They bring in the psychologist to explain how many people actually would, like, and why a normal person would do this, and they show, like, all of these tests that have happened with people and bring in proof, like, you would, you could and you might do this, which is, like, beyond, because I'm sitting here, like, no fucking way.

Right. I would never fucking do that. Meanwhile, Brett's asking if you can do it to as well. Yeah. Were there female managers, too, or was it all, they, yeah, okay. Mostly they would ask the female managers like because they would say I'm sure you have to get back to work is there male you could have conduct this but sometimes it would be the women wow geez that's a crazy story yeah it's crazy watching this was like how is this not the number one show on right now right well there you go it came out I think mid December it's on Netflix it's three parts for 45 minutes to an hour each the entire thing was enticing it's so sad great photo by the way yeah it's like it's so it's so it's so Yeah, I would assume that they didn't get this guy. That's my guess.

Yeah. What I'll tell you, it's so much more complicated than that, that it's disturbing. All right. I might check that one out for sure. It is fascinating. Are you watching 1923 yet? Yeah, I am, but I'm an episode behind. Where?

So you've seen two episodes behind. You haven't seen episode three yet? The Holy Shit episode? No, I guess not. I've only seen, I think. There's four episodes or five of them? There's four, I think. Yeah, there's four.

I've only seen two. Okay. So what do you think so far? I really like it. I really like it. These stories, are they tying together in three? I don't want to run for it. But yeah. Okay. It all ties together. Okay. Because you want to know how the one, the Native American story ties in, right? Yeah, because that story is the one that to me is the most compelling, honestly.

But it's so visceral that I feel sick. It's tough to watch that one. It's watching that. And I think it's going to tie together because of the, grandma um and but they're on they're on break they're on break until february 5th it takes a it's a hiatus into the show is so well done yeah it is but i watch his all his shit well i mean are you caught up on tolickie because but i'm i'm you have to catch up i will i'm gonna binge it all because especially now that because so sadie is like in love 1928 so it's like that's that's that's your favorite year well it's also because it's it's got everything it's it's it's just

forever but it's got everything it's got romance it's got like the thing going on in in africa that's how good is that guy though i'm telling you that guy's gonna be a star he's excellent yeah i like that girl too she's great i think that guy is our is our next big action store he's really good he's really good he's really good that the romance stuff i was like oh my god my pitter-patter heart oh yeah that's what that's i'm telling you that's what that's what this show does it gets it can get people in like if you're turned off by the romance side i was like don't worry keep watching and watch This crazy shit go down and you're like, well, this is a little too brutal for me. Don't worry.

There's some of this. It's like it's got everything. Some of it, I don't usually say this, but some of the brutal stuff. It's hard to watch. Oh my God. Four has a very hard one. Sometimes I'll pause it and go. Yeah.

Yeah. Sadie was doing this. Like, she's like, just tell me when it's over. You know the part, I'm going to keep it vague, but outdoors in the box. I was like. Yeah. She's so good. She's so good.

shit she's like she's really good unbelievably talented all right look we went over but that's fine oh um a lot of great picks from roxy how could that have happened i don't know i'd also say you know know 1923 is one i will be getting into um i will be getting into a few what do i said Tulsa king i'll finish Tulsa king for sure Tulsa king what i will say about Tulsa king before we wrap though is is that you can tell that this and i was talking my buddy david about this as well um you can tell the shift in this show. Like when the show started, it was like a mix of like get shorty and and like, you know, a gangster story, but it was kind of weighing on like the comedy was there too. It's gotten significantly more serious as the, in a good way in the last few episodes that I've

seen. I don't know if it continues that way. I want to know what you think about the finale. Okay. Oh, the finale is over. It aired. Oh, I figured that was the finale. I guess it might not be. I don't know. I don't know. What happens feels like a finale. It feels like a finale. It feels like a finale. I loved what they did. I've seen online some mixed reviews. Okay, all right. I think I'm loving this show. All right, well, look.

I think it's so good. And, oh, my God, what's up with my sly crush? Yeah, I know. Look at you. Hey, good for you. I'm like, whoa, I'm missing out on a whole. Maybe you need to go back watching my really stuff, you know? I have.

Oh, how about you want a slide crush? You want a sly crush? I'll give you a sly crush. How about this? How about this? Remember this one, Brett? Yeah. Get it.

Look that key. But wiser you created a monster? And they call him drinking Stein. And the tavern down the street is the labitoree, where he makes the transformation all the time. Labitori. And a shine of Dr. Bird is a pint of monster blood. And it does a be different time. That's amazing.

What's layered? What's that from? Ryanstone. Oh. Woo. Yeah. Anyway. It'll make them like that anymore. I don't know what Ryanstone is, but are there strippers in it?

Dolly Parton's in it. Oh, shit. I love Dolly. Go and see it. All right, listen. Thank you for joining us. If there's any of the shows, by the way, first of all, Roxy loves one new comment.

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