The Kristian Harloff Show - Will Darth Plagueis FINALLY appear in Star Wars The Acolyte series?

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

On today's episode , The Acolyte is an upcoming Star Wars show that we know little about at the moment. We know that it takes place before The Phantom Menace and could take place in a time period where Palpatine's master Darth Plagueis is alive. Will he appear in the new series? Rumors are he might. Jamie Costa joins Kristian Harloff to talk about that, Obi Wan Season 2 possibilities, Andor hype, D23 and more. #StarWars #Theacolyte #obiwan #d23 TIME CODES 00:00 Intro 2:08 Intro Jamie Costa 11:18 Ewan MacGregor says Luke was the focus of original Kenobi pitch 24:23 Why wasn't an Obi Wan film launched earlier? 29:29 JOYMODE 32:35 Does Jamie have any new Star Wars shorts coming soon? 34:10 What will the tone of Andor be? The search for Feige. 40:00 Star Wars sci-fi, sci fi fantasy debate. 43:40 Will Darth Plagueis appear in The Acolyte? 53:40 D23 news 54:45 PRIVATE INTERNET ACCESS 57:30 Favorite Star Wars show/movie? 59:00 Will Roken appear in Andor? 1:05:47 Who will replace James Earl Jones as Darth Vader? 1:10:35 Adapting source material! 1:18:00 Outro JOYMODE: http://www.joymode.com/BIGTHING PRIVATE INTERNET ACCESS: http://privateinternetaccess.com/THEBIGTHING PODCAST FEED: iTunes https://apple.co/3GvtleV or Spotify https://spoti.fi/33dgsaZ SUPPORT US ON PATREON: https://patreon.com/schmoedown Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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All right, let's get to it. It's me. It's Jamie Costa. It's Sith Council. Let's do it now. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode. You know the big thing. Sith Council.

It's me. But enough with me. I keep telling you. Jamie's not really there. Yeah, hell he is. Look up. Look at that. You got a really wide shot.

You got a close shot. Yeah, I'll pull it back. How you doing, brother? I am doing well, man. It's nice to see you. He came all the way out here, and we finally got you on the show. We've been talking, we talk, we talk Star Wars so much on text. It's unbelievable.

Yes. Yeah. So how you doing? What's the latest? Man. That microphone of your mouth, will you? What's that? Get that microphone to you, man.

mouth, will you? I don't know anything about voice work. What do you know about the voice work? I got to fix your shot. It's driving me crazy. That's on me. What did I do here? So yeah, tell me what do you've been up to? Oh, all kinds of mischief. So, like what? You've seen a trailer recently, right? I have, and you posted that, so I didn't know how much we could talk about it because it's Oh, you can talk about it. So you have this, you have this great thing coming up.

And you know what, Jamie? Just watch this. Watch what's going to happen. Watch, you want to see this. This is going to be amazing. So Jamie has this movie coming out that he shot with the great Jake Lewis, who also did the Robin thing that you guys saw. And now he's got a new thing working. And tell us about. Yeah, it's a wonderful piece that the Lewis brothers, Jake and his brother, whipped together and produced, directed, wrote.

And I got to star alongside Sandy Danto, as you know. Yes, I know Sandy from the Comedy Story. Yeah, he's great. Yeah, we have a good time, and it's a Hollywood legend of sorts. Yeah. Kind of. I know, I know. I know the story.

I know the story. But, again, how much can you reveal of the story? Well, I don't want to reveal too much. That's fair. But since it's a short film. Yes. But, yeah, the trailer pretty much says a good bit about what it's about. You know, two Hollywood legends are kind of locked up.

amidst shooting Jack's first film that he directed going south. Okay. There's just issues with Balushi and Jack basically has to talk them down. I love it. And that's exciting. So that's, and as people don't know, you should know, Jamie is a chameleon when people say,

and even somebody in the comment section, which I think people do all the time. I say this, anytime Josh Robert Thompson's on the show, anytime I talk about you, I do not I do not consider you an impressionist you are an actor you are a you are a chameleon

you uh what you the two of you guys are both able to do you have this this is I say this this is this comes from love you are a mutant you are you are lit I describe you as an X-Men because what you do is what

mystique does you don't you don't I'll do Gary Busey and I do a voice I do not become his face and his I don't do that you somehow Owen Wilson, you turn into Owen Wilson. You and I did a stand-up comedy, a little segment at the last Flappers thing. I was in awe because I'm just standing there, and I'm like, it's like, all right, here's,

I got Kurt Russell with me, and so it's, how did you, before we go, we'll talk a lot of Star Wars, but I know the fans want to know, and this is driving us on. Yeah, go for it. Yeah, go put that right in your mug. Check, check. There we go. So, how'd you do it? How'd you realize?

How'd you know that you had that you were immune? I don't know. It's, I actually, one of my first stand-up sets was me explaining that discovery of impression stuff or whatever. Yeah. It's really just a channel of expression and love and celebration for these characters and stuff, the movies and things that have touched me and whatnot. I remember you saying that.

I remember you saying that it's not, it's not that you like sit and go, okay, well, today I'm going to learn how to do, you know, so and so. It's like, no, I love these movies so much. I love these things so much that it just, it like, does it like record in your brain, like the movements and the, like, because it's, I mean, look, there are certain people like, Robin, you look, you look like Robin. Oh, you do. But it's bizarre.

Like when you, if I ask you to do, you know, a thing with, like I said, Kurt Russell, it's like you answer like them but your face becomes them like how how does someone do that i think my i think there's a level of contortion to capture and uh relay feelings and it's also the filmmaker in me too when i do stuff um even star wars fan shorts and stuff like that you know i i really everything in me wants to make sure i relay the feelings and things that i i felt um when i first watched them and stuff. So like Jack Nicholson and the Shining. I explain this too.

Like when I'm acting in more grounded depiction of these roles, when you start to veer off the impression gimmick and more towards like a grounded performance, it's still trying to make sure, it's still marrying the feelings that, you know, that you can connect with. Not necessarily a copy and paste of a line, but you can do Robin, you know, in any of his characters, really. I can, I feel like I can hop right into the seat because I know the movie's so well and what he was pushing towards us, you know.

It's an essence. It's an essence, which is so bizarre. Like there's certain things, like, you know, again, like I said, I do an impression of Arnold, but the thing is when I'm in that, I can answer questions like that because I'm locked into it. And I can, like, someone answer, like, there's certain things that I try to do. Like, so the great Kevin Pollock, I was on a show with him once. And he said, easiest way to do state them, you don't have, you don't have to be good at it.

All you have to do at the very end is saying, know what I mean, no matter what it is. It's like, I was making eggs this morning and I feel on my feet. You know, I'm like, so as long as you hit that, you'll be all right. But I can't answer questions. And I can't, I can't have his swagger. It's so funny doing impression because I loan that credibility out to the people like Josh Robert and, And, you know, Calli Endos and folks who are really truly masters and more, I think, funny with them. You don't put yourself in that category?

I think I let people put me in that category, but I, you know, I don't do anything of that nature for, I don't promote it. I don't try for it. I know, but if you did, you'd be, I mean, dude, like, you, I, you'll never say it, but you, you, like, there is nobody who, and I'm not, and I'm not going to ask you to do it, but there's nobody. But you are the Michael Jordan of Robin Williams in general. I'm honored for that. No one touches you. I'm honored. I've seen some great ones.

I've seen some great ones. But I guess I mean in the more and the more of the, you know, if it's, if it finds its way, I'm so in. But I don't try to go run around town and say. Right. That's not what I can do these things. Did you ever audition for Saturday Night Live? I actually did a showcase on Hollywood Boulevard. Did you?

Yeah. Only just because I got invited. I was just, I was like, yeah, all right. I mean, if I got invited, it's an honor. So I didn't want to turn down the honor. How long ago was that? Can I say? Can I ask?

Probably when I moved out here. Oh, right when you moved out here. Okay. Two months after. Well, they're stupid for not hiring you. No, I, I don't mind. I actually like the route I take. I like it too, but I still think it's stupid for not hire.

I don't know. I don't do as much of that as you think, but I love it. Don't give you wrong. I know me. I know. I know. I know you're pat. Only when it's timely.

Of course. Of course. I know your passion is, well, it's acting, obviously, and it's writing, it's directing, and it's, it's like, it's all of it. It's all of it. It's creating. Impressions are micro-celebrations of these people and his feelings and characters in the movie. Yeah. I mean, you've seen, I've done a T-Rex on stage, so. Yeah, I certainly have. It's amazing. I love what you're doing out there. But all right, so Jamie's here, though, they're not just talk about all the great stuff that he's doing, obviously. We can.

If you haven't seen, speaking of Star Wars, Jamie has also done an amazing, Obi-Wan Kenobi. uh film and it was it was just called canobi yeah yeah yeah which is why i wish the show stole it and did it i wonder if he didn't use that title i wonder if they didn't because of your thing i don't wonder i feel bad if that's true i wonder well you shouldn't feel bad you got to it first to me it makes sense it's yeah right no longer obiwan no i know no and they called them obi one too much in that series yeah it's too many times she's the riva's screaming at him about Obi-Wan and all that stuff. That's a name I heard last week.

As I was on the run. As I was on the run. Okay, we're going to get into this stuff. Let's talk. The first thing I want to do, actually, where I'm going to go is I'm going to go to Star Wars Newsnet because Star Wars Newsnet has some stuff going on. I've not been keeping up with the new stuff. You said that originally the show, one of these things says the show used to revolve more

on Luke or something? I saw this last night. So, let's see, here you go. This is it right here. So this is, Hew and McGregor reveals that Obi-Wan-Kanovi original pitch was about Obi-Wan and Luke, and this is from Grant Davis over at Star Wars Newsnet.

U.N. McGregor has revealed the initial story for the Obi-Wan-Kinobi series on Disney Plus was going to focus on the Jedi Masters' relationship with a young Luke Skywalker. The actor also praised the cameo of Liam Neeson as Quigon Chin, reprising the role in live action for the first time since 99's The Fan of Menace. Talking at the Fan Expo, Boston,

had to tip to sci-fi and fantasy Gazette. McGregor explained that he was initially told the series would be predominantly about Obi-1 watching over a young Luke until there was a creative shift in the project development. His comments indicate he was more than happy with the change. It was going to be a story about me and Luke. It was always going to be that

and it was one of the genius moments where everyone went, wait a minute, and then changed it. The creative shift towards Obi-Wan rescuing and protecting Young Leia happened to give Obi-Wan a reason to leave Tasso, and we didn't go on a journey across multiple planets. There has been buzz, including from McGregor himself, about a follow-up to Canovi. The series was a big success for Disney Plus, with the finale being among the most watched on Disney Plus thus far. So with the way the series ends back on Tatouin, a story about

Obi-Wan and Young Luke could still be on the cards. The Lucasum chooses to be, chooses to do more with the characters. Speaking of endings, McGregor praised the show's return of Liam. So McGregor expressed his excitement of him on learning. He would go to interact with one of his former co-stars. Liam's a hero of mine when I was growing up. and wanting to be an actor. I was watching Liam Neeson's work, and he was involved in some beautiful work as a younger actor. And so to get the chance to work with him to have this great relationship that we got to create together is fantastic. And to get the chance to work with him again on the series right at the end. As it stands, the ending of the series sets up a possibility of

a follow-up with Neeson playing a larger role, with Quigon having finally returned. Blot, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, okay. All right, so there's a lot to kind of break down here, I think in general. The first on the side, I think they kind of nail it inside of this report. right? I don't want to see an Obi-1 season two, especially if they do, no Vader. You can't have Vader anymore. And I was a big advocate for Vader in the first series, but you can't keep doing that. If you're going to make it, if this is going to be season two of him with Luke and Quigon kind of teaching him the ways of the force and everything, okay, I don't know how interesting you can make it, but maybe you can make it interesting and a little

dialed down. I know there's going to be a lot of people to hear that, oh, they should have kept it about Luke. He got so silly with Leia. I thought the young girl was fantastic as Leia. I thought she was really good as Leah, minus the silly running around in the woods scene, but that's not her fault. And I think it did give him an excuse to get out.

I think it could have. Did you watch the edit cuts of the, there's a few cuts that people made that turned it into a two and a half movie, two and a half hour movie? Yeah, I heard about it. I didn't see it. Pretty good.

Pretty good. I feel like I already made those cuts in my brain. Well, there was, dude, there was, you and I talked. at length about the music, right? Yeah. So there's one, you know the shot, a lot of different cuts.

Our buddy Kevin Smets did one and a few other cuts, but they all did the same thing, which I thought was brilliant. So you know that scene when Leah falls and he catches her with the force? The force theme plays in all their cuts, and it's just so much more effective, so much more effective.

Or when he's explaining the force to her, which is one of my favorite moments in the series when he's like talking about it's like a light when it turns on. Right. That's how it is when you're in a clear vision with the force. But you hear these comments by you and that originally it was about Luke and it switched. Good, bad, indifferent?

Well, to be honest, I think less is more for either child, except for in the series. I think there was too little for Luke. I mean, the whole marching orders that Yoda left him with in episode three was the premise of the show. Right. And the premise of the show, as far as we heard from Yoda, was, hey, you're going to go look after Luke. Right. It became a whole different thing, you know, like, he didn't even, he wasn't even there.

And it kind of contradicted the whole. Well, it also kind of contradicted the whole thing of when Obi-Wan says, that boy's our only hope. And he goes, no, there's another. He knows, clearly, you know there's another. You were running around with her on a- That's a point, actually, I mean, yeah, focused on much. Yeah, that's actually the strongest point, I think.

I've heard yet. It's like, yeah, the boys are only hoped. Why would he say that? He knows. He's been thinking, Luke, Luke, Luke, loop forever. Right. And if anything, they could have explained in this show why he would be like, oh, right. Maybe, maybe.

Yeah. She's going to be a different, right. She's choosing a different path. And even show that, where she doesn't choose to go into, it's almost like it could have, yeah, they could have done a whole other option, you know, for instead of saying, kid, you're going to be in the force. you know, maybe they start saying, would you like to be in the, you know,

Jedi, and then she was like, I'm going to stay over here. I think he had, I, again, I thought, she didn't know anything about that. No, but I thought the girl was great. Yeah, I thought the girl was great. But my, I thought, I thought they involved, not, not, they could have still involved her in the show the same way that they did Luke in Bobafet, right?

Oh, yeah. Have her, have like our own side adventure on Alderon, while Obi-Wan's off doing other stuff, but I just thought they involved it, much. But that's, that's, that's, that's, that's neither hearing or there, but. I do. I think she was involved too much. Too much. Just plainly, if you watch the films, it doesn't really equal out. Yeah. I think less is more for her on the show. And then I think, I think that they should have given a few more lines over to Luke or a little more involvement or a little more protection. He doesn't really do anything except kind of almost get killed by Riva.

I mean, in my mind, like the scariest thing was like, don't, you can't let. them find out loops on and that really didn't become a concern until like later it seems until like final episode when Reva was already there yeah and then he wasn't there to protect yeah there's a lot of things that they did it is like man you had one job damn it and well yeah and then then i thought they made i thought they made um they they turned owen and brew and they were too tough Owen and Baruga destroyed by stormtroopers who can't shoot anything They're killed by them

They burnt up And yet they But they can They can almost take out an inquisitor The only thing I could The only thing I would have Enjoyed seeing that part of them Is maybe if they had a Tuscan raid on them

Something And then they defend the homestead once Right right Just to see they all They got the farmer grit Yeah just a little That's it That's it

Open up what Grant said that if they do a season two and they focus more so. What I would like them to do, though, honestly, is they did play a little bit more, it seems a little more prequally the way that the, which is fine, the tone and the feel of it at times, right? You mean not cinematic? There were sometimes it was very cinematic. Yes. And there were sometimes that it was very TV-ish, right? And it was very relying on the volume a lot of times.

and I'm so curious, I don't want to say, like they should do it like Andor, because I haven't seen Andor yet. I was going to say that. I was going to shamelessly say, I'm a little bit upset that Andor, Rogue One, all those things,

I think Rogue One is so beautiful. It's the best Star Wars movies so fun. I mean, it's a look, when I say, out of Disney's, I think cinematically, it is one of the more beautiful films out of all of the Star Wars movies.

And, it looks like Andor's the same folks, right? Yeah. Gilroy. I'm a little bit mad that Obi-1 doesn't look that good. Well, look, here's the thing is that I, what I hope to do and to be all sort of fair to Obi-1 to, when they were shooting and when they were planning stuff,

they were also, it was pandemic still and all that. And it still is, but I think that maybe, and maybe Andor had the same, maybe they were, because they did them in a lot of locations. Yeah. maybe that it's like it's a hybrid now instead of relying too much on the volume they start to do more of the locations because like I said and or looks like what we were hoping for with Star Wars shows that's what it looks like I can't deem it the best yet because it's not out yet and I still love Mandalorian season two is some of my favorite Star Wars thus far but I do hope that if and or is as successful as the hype around it so far, that maybe they start to pay attention to that and switch over,

which is very possible that they could. I just think that what I hope that they don't do is what you could get carried away with, which a lot of people do, if you're an executive at Lucasfilm, and as that report said, Obi-Wom is a very successful show. Yeah, naturally. They could have been shit and people would have watched.

I mean, probably- I was going to watch it. Either way. I feel some people... I was... I was... I feel probably some people do feel that way

that it was, that it wasn't great. I... I liked the show. Didn't love it the way I thought I was going to love it. I thought it was going to be the best...

I thought it was going to be like the best type of Star Wars story that we had seen since like Empire. I was wrong. But I still enjoyed it. There's a lot of great stuff

in Obi-Wan. I'm not one of these people that just... I have a lot of issues with the series clearly that we just talked about. But I enjoy it. There's a lot of great stuff

and having you and back and all that. But I would have liked to seen it a little more grounded, a little more, like, I think, gritty and serious the way that Andor looks because it's a dire story. And there are times that they go that way, but it still felt a little more. And I think you're the one that told me this. You are. You're concerned about the rating of it and how it was going to be a little bit more. It was concerned.

Yeah. They did some stuff that, I mean, look, Obi-Wan's in a fire burning at one point and screaming, you know, like, all that type of... It's like they took it out on the wrong parts. say, hey, see, it's, it is gritty. Right. It's like, yeah, it's gritty when you're, yeah, sure. Dark Fader's like melting skulls and things and stuff. But the gritty is not, it was like the wrong read of, yeah, gritty.

In my mind, and I think yours, we would have liked this grounded lore feel. Yeah, yeah, the way that you felt while watching the indoor trailer so far. The trailer. It's actually one of the most significant parts of, like, linear Star Wars history. almost. It's like, this is, this is like the thread of Jedi, you know. And so like, to me, the stakes are so high. This is Nazi Germany with one person left to get the thing, you know. Done, yeah. And Hitler's looking for that one string to burn. And that didn't come across in the show, that he was, like, I don't know, that we're scared that Vader was going to find the kids.

Yeah, no, I know. That's always been the big deal of Star Wars. Right. I knew the impor knew that if, you know, they were to find the kids. Yeah. To me, that's the show. I know. And it missed it.

It did. It did. And I think that that's why I'm, it's like I'm hesitant about a season two. And yet kind of like, okay, well, if they do go that more, like, did you see prey? Yeah, I liked it. So did I. And the reason I liked it for the most, for the, my major reason that I really enjoyed it was because they didn't. it was because it was streaming, which is why I think streaming was the right move,

they went back to basics. It was a smaller budget, small horror film about the predator coming in the hunt and having one group, and it wasn't too big. And they pulled on what they knew and heard and little nuggets of cool shit to pull from and inspire it by, which was the little mentions and first predator of like, in the hot months way back, you know, she took. talks about the legend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Boom. So they made the movie. And then in the sequel, Predator 2, there's like a pistol, obviously, that connects it all. And so, like, to me, that was clever use. I don't think Star Wars does that kind of thinking right now from their movies, where they could do these original movies, like Prey.

Pray was a very original movie, but it spawned from what they were already sprinkled. Lure. Yeah, and I think they would do that. It's, they don't, they certainly do it in a Mandalorian and they do it a Mandalorian season two and I think that it does

it goes back to this overall question of do they need that one person that's really I hate to keep saying it's what everyone says for everything the figy of it you know but it's they need that one person that's because everyone says all philoni and Favro yeah but they work on their shows

they work on and even even something like Boba Fett Robert Rodriguez seemed to be the executive producer of that show Favre was listed, Floney directed an episode or whatever it was, but like... Hans Solo,

Bova Fett, Mandalorian, which ended up being great. How the hell are all those getting made before Obi-Wan anything? Because what happened with the Obi-Wan, so Obi-Wan, when Lucas film was bought by Disney, I remember when I did my... I did a show, and I don't know if you remember this or not, but I did a show called Far Far Far Away with Tiffany Smith.

This was on Geek Nation. This was like before AMC, before any of it. It was the first Star Wars show I ever did. And I remember when the report came out, and we talked about it on our show, that the report was that they were going to make Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, and they were looking to make it a Yoda movie. Those were the three that they were looking at it.

And I remember thinking the same thing, why Boba-Fat, why Yoda focus on Obi-Wan? And what happened, and they even admitted so. After Solo, they should have launched with Obi-1 and not Solo. I thought... You had the guy. I thought that was a given almost. You had the guy who played him already.

Instead of casting someone who's got to follow in footsteps, you have the guy who already followed in footsteps. I all means, even before Rogue One. How is that not the first thing? Whether there's a show, movie, fucking short film. Yeah. Well, we got kids on this. That's all right.

I didn't tell you. I didn't warn you beforehand. That's all right. All right. I'll regret. How is it that, you know, even before Rogue One? Right. that.

No, I know. We don't even have it. And then once solo didn't do well, they got, they were scared. They got, and why are we dictating things off solo? You knew that that was like, that was like, because it's bad studio.

No, it's bad studio mentality. Or putting out Andor in me and like, this will tell us whether or not we should do an Obi-1 movie. That's, but that's exactly what it was. It was, it was bad studio mentality of,

well, they don't want to see these legendary characters. And that's like, no, there's so many things that you missed that shouldn't have been done that like a laundry list of solos of the reason why I failed

not that, you would have put Obi-1 in at that same date. Even after Infinity War, there's so much better. Online. I know. It's 99% would say these things in order. It's true. Of which ones to get made.

So why would the studio choose to go against something that would make so much sense like monetarily or whatever? I think it's old school filmmaking business mentality and not, and that's, well, that's goes, but it goes,

but it is in there, in the studio process on how, I'm, on looking at numbers and crunching numbers and crunching data and all that. Based on numbers? I think they would, in, any analytic show you,

promise versus anything else. Agreed, but I, but I think that that's a scary kind of created where you, where you think you look at it and you say, I happen to disagree with the sentiment completely. I just can see where the sentiment came from of, oh, well, we just did a solo movie and no one cared

and never going to do it before that. Why not launch with that? No, I agree. You should have. You should have. Absolutely. That should have been the one of you can get. And he's wanted to do it forever.

But either way, if they do a season two, if it's a smaller, like, feel like a prey or like that, in Tatooine at this point, I wanted him to go off world. done that now. Keep them on Tatooine now. Let them talk to Quigone. Let them figure that stuff out, some other things going on. It's got to be a smaller show. And if you want to do four episodes, you want to do, take a page out of stranger things and make them like an hour and 15 minutes. This is another thing with Star Wars. This hour and 15, this, this 32 minute episode thing they're doing, silly. Now, I just watched She Hulk. Sheeulk. Sheeulk is built for the Allie Macbill sitcom kind episodic week by week, perfect at like 28 minutes to 32.

Perfect. It's built for that. Star Wars is built at least 45 minutes, at least, because that was missing dramatically from Obi-Wan. You know that scene when he's talking to Leia, and I bring this up all the time, but like where he revealed he had a brother. He revealed.

It was a beautiful little moment. What a great moment. And then it goes away. But those moments were missing. Those moments were missing throughout the entire show. You got them here and there. You got them with, with, oh, shoot, I can't remember her name,

but the character you thought was evil, but she turned out to be good, how much it did she sacrificed herself? You found out stuff about her. Was it you? Somebody said, like, I actually thought it was a good idea. I don't know if I heard this on your stuff or not, but like that there may have been a little sprinkle

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I like that name. Does Jamie have any Star Wars short films in the works? Star Wars short films, yes. You do? That's all you can say. I do, and I can say a little more. It is a follow-up to our Kenobi short film we've made in the past. Yeah.

And a follow-up immediate to the series we just watched. Oh, that's great. You're going to, so you can answer or not answer, but it's like a continuation of the series? Yeah. Oh, I like that. It's hard to say it's a continuation of the series. It's just, it's definitely counting the series. So it's, it's, the series is canon in your world.

Yeah. Got it, got it, got it. Oh, I love that. Okay, great. I love that. That's great. Okay. There's a little more time with, well, let's just say he completes his training that he will apply in a new hope.

All right, there you go. So be on a look out for that. And if you haven't already subscribed to Jamie's channel, you should. I'm sure that's where we're going to find it when that happens. Most likely. Okay, cool. All right, let's get to the next question here. Thank you again, by the way, to Magnus, poor Magnus.

And so where people are asking, put this out on Facebook and YouTube. So that's where these come in from. Okay, let's get to this next one. All right. Michael Ball. Rogue 1 showed us that the Rebel Alliance was much grayer than we realized watching the black and white good and bad version we saw in the original trilogy. Where, in your opinion, will and or take us in that regard? Same level of means to an end or something darker for Cassian and maybe the rest.

I'm sure we'll see why Bail and Mon look at each other sideways at the mention of Saw in Rogue 1. But does Cassian go down whatever radicalized rabbit hole that is and help him get back? Or will they actually show the things he's only suggestive about in the movie, if so Cliffhanger for next season? Okay, so this is what I really am very hopeful for in this season. I don't think Tony Gilroy is going to pull too many punches. I think that he, I think this show is going to be gritty. I think that one of the concerns, rightfully so, for a lot of audience members, are like, well, why do I want to watch a show about a guy that I know what happens to him ultimately in the end?

Even though there's a show's called Andor, the trailers have shown this is just not about Andor. We're going to get Andor's story. We're going to get more so about how he got into the rebellion and all that. But we're going to see more about the rebellion. We're going to see about that at all not just black and white and that there have to be some shady moves made on both sides, right? We're going to see that fat cat mentality by the empire of like they're in their prime right now, causing havoc and learning more about them and those characters.

And it's funny because I keep saying that three, I'm like, well, it looks like three seasons. I keep getting messages from people. You keep saying it's three seasons. It's only two because Tony Gilroy said at Star Wars Celebration. I want to do three seasons. And Luna's like, well, I was only signed on for two. And it's like, I want to do three. And he wants to do more.

Now, right now it is talked about for two. But they've got this thing planned out. And if two ends where it leads into Rogue 1, then clearly it's just going to be two seasons. But as this guy asked, you think they're going to stay gritty? Or will we go into what we talked about with a lot of these years? Maybe it gets a little more light. Maybe it gets a little less detailed.

I don't feel that's going to happen, but how do you feel about it? I don't know. I have no idea what Andor is about. Obviously, it's the rebellion stuff. But the rebellion, as far as I know, is a variety of slivers that make up, the alliance. So, Andor, or the Rogue One, not so black and white version that we saw at the very beginning of Rogue One, that's just one sliver of the Rebel Alliance. I mean, even in solo, they kind of show, you know, surprise, at the end, the switchup that some of those people were part of the rebel alliance or something, which I felt.

It was a little bit of a gimmick. But anyways, so I don't know. And I don't know if it will turn into like FET, where three episodes were not FET. It was like more like. Right. Oh, yeah, we got to make sure we tie up some things. Like, so I wouldn't mind if that happened with like we see some emperor episodes or something. That's, oops, that's fine.

That's fine. Let's set up, let's set up some characters and then take us into that. That's fine. Like, yeah, if you set up some characters that inside of it and we follow them through the empire, that was always my hope for this show. And I had said, I go, look, if this is just a show about Andor, I don't know how excited I'm going to be about it. I'm like, I want to learn about him.

I love Diego Luna. Yeah, it'll probably dive into all kinds of interesting. The trailer shows you that's what they're going to do. It's an espionage show. Do you think we'll see any of our friend Thron? Maybe. To me, this is the show that would be a good model. You could cameo him here, but I don't know if Flonie's going to allow him to be shown in a show before his show.

Oh, right. That's the only thing. So this is not really Faloni involved as much? That's kind of going back to what I was saying. No. I think that they're doing the same thing now, and this could ultimately be a mistake. They're doing the same thing that they did with films.

They're giving, now the showrunners and stuff are the ones who are just running it. All right, Flanian Favre, you run the Mandalorian universe and the Boba Fett thing. Debra Chow, you run Obi-Wan. You guys... Yeah, because it didn't seem like the movie folks were ever talking to the show folks much.

No, and it didn't seem like the movie folks. folks were talking to the movie folks, like, you know, as well. So that's, so there are certain, now, that being said, clearly, Filoni is going to be involved with Asoka connecting to like Mandalorian because of the angle that we already had and maybe Luke kind of comes in and stuff that they're setting up, they're sharing their own thing, but it needs to have one group or person connecting it all. And even though Andor can turn out to be one of the best things that we've seen, it's not connected.

Now, Saw's coming in and Saw and they're using it, but that's Rogue One, so he's connecting it to his own universe as well. And maybe they start to connect things. Like someone had asked, will like O'Shea Jackson Jr. Show up from Obi-Wan. And he could fit him, but I don't think you will. So it's very interesting. And I think that I hope they don't start running into the same thing that you do that.

You guys do that. Whatever you want to do over there, you do that. Put them all in a room, have, if it's, if it's Filoni, it's Faloni. If it's Favro, it's Favra. If it's, you know, Samantha Shushu, then have Samantha Shushu run the whole thing. Whoever it is, someone run the damn thing, because that's what they ran into. Yeah, that doesn't seem like a priority. Which is, you know, their call, but it doesn't seem like a priority of theirs.

But it's like, everyone wants to be Marvel, but nobody does what Marvel does. It's like, okay, you want, everybody wants to Kevin Fing, but no one puts, the Kevin Feigigy in place, or they try to. It's like, but the thing is with the Kevin Feiggy, I think it's harder, like D.C. Like D.C. now, the guy over there, I call him, his name, his real name's David Zaslov. I call him David Zoloft.

And he, he pretty much clear he wants to find a Faggy to run the whole thing. He had a guy over there at D.C., but that's, D.C.'s a little harder to do it, because they've got to set the whole thing up, and they've got to figure it out, and they've got to figure out their new plan. You have the people, Star Wars. They're right there. it's like it's that old school mentality of well you know certain projects will have certain directors and certain this and who's the hot director oh tyco watiti tako atidi's the hot director right now bring them and bring them in give them a movie okay great what do you do some goofy comedy awesome you go do that and you what are you going to do it's like that type of stuff clearly showed it didn't work for the for the new sequels stop it but i hope that they get away from that and i say this

in great anticipation of Andor. I think Andor's going to be great. But I wonder how connected, if at all, Tony Gilroy is with Favreau-Faloni. I don't think at all. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, it doesn't feel like, this is judging ahead,

but it doesn't feel like the OB-1 show will fit right alongside. It doesn't. Which is technically... They're not five years apart. But they feel like, they feel like... No, no, I know what you mean. They feel like different universes.

Yeah, they feel like... A hundred percent. They feel like different, like you look, and I hate to say this because there's a lot of, there's a lot of adult themes in Obi-Wan. There's no doubt. But Andrew seems like it's for the adults. It is, yeah. It's what I mean.

It seems like it's, that's, that's so shame. Like, I, yeah, I wanted that of Obi-Won. Right, right. So, but either way, all right, let's get to some, some more questions here. But that's, yeah, but I do think they're going to, I do think they're going to die pretty deep into the, into the black, I mean, the more so of the kind of gritty stuff this show. At least I hope. That's my hope for it.

Sean Nicholson, when will they return to the sci-fi fantasy feel of the original trilogy? I feel like they've gone away more into science fiction in the most recent iteration. Force Awakens notwithstanding. I mean, that's hard to say. There are the sci-fi fantasy, I mean, I still think that, regardless of what I think about some of the things crazy but what's the difference sci-fi fantasy and sci-fi well as Lucas always said

Star Wars is not science fiction oh oh oh sorry Star Wars is science fiction fantasy not interstellar yeah right it's it's science fiction fantasy like you know the way the Lord of the Rings is fantasy for it's this science fiction fantasy and with space wizards and you know laser swords and things of that nature and I what I will say

with my criticisms of any of the shows are not. I still think they play in space, in science fiction fantasy. I do. I don't think we're in Star Trek mode. And that's nothing in Star Trek, but I don't, this isn't, this isn't Star Trek. There's, there's some things that certainly do feel, like, like in,

in, um, BobaFet, the tattoo parlors, the spy kid stuff, the, you know, certain looks and feels seemed a little more science fiction than science fiction fantasy, but Back to the Future two scooters. Yeah, but I mean, I think for the overall tone, Obi-Wan, like the stuff with Luke and the Mandalorian,

like all those things, it's still science fiction fantasy in my book. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's changed. I don't want, I don't want, I mean,

I'll hit it with a bunch of criticisms, but that's not one that I'm willing to, I don't think that they've gone into science fiction. Yeah. That's fantasy. Yeah. Okay. Moving on, going to the next one.

Thank you for that one, Sean. All right. This is from either George Lopez or Jorge Lopez. Darth Plagis in Accolite. Yes or no? I believe the leaks. I also believe the leaks. I do think we're going to see Darth Plagis in the Acolyte

because of what Leslie even headland showrunner of the Akelyte has been rumored to be and has spoken about how invested in the books. And when Kathleen Kennedy was talking about her, saying how she reads all the books and she's like a big Star Wars nerd. Oh, I've been looking for that forever. I'm looking for that forever. And someone who's like,

wants to bring in Darth Plagueis and wants to bring in Darth. The accolade to me is one of my most anticipated shows out of all of them because you're playing in the space that I have been waiting to see for a while. Now it's not Old Republic, but it's before the Phantom Menace

and it's about 50 years or something before the Phantom Menace. That would give you Darth Plague's. And if they keep him the story, species of mun. That's what George Lucas wanted him to be. That is what James Lucino made him in the novel. And I hope

they stick with that. I hope that they do. And someone asked this question a little later on. But Amanda Stenberr, Stenberg, I believe, I always mess up their name. But what I hope doesn't happen is that they are cast

in a role that is Sith. and then they turn good. Please know. Yeah, that's been done a lot. I'm so that and then protecting a child. Bivel Fett. That's another thing about Fett.

I don't think anything happened in that show. Right. Not what it was pitched. Not what was pitched. No, it was pitched and it wasn't Fet. Right. He just walked around. He's like, hey, you, guess what?

My name is Bubble Fitt. And we're like, yeah, he said that like 30 times. Like, already. And then they're like, every time. Like that's his thing. Like he just goes around. Like a panta. I see you got a water problem.

And then we're like, oh, I guess you're not even a crime lord. You're pretending like solving issues around town. You're a decent mayor who we're aware. His name is Boba Fett. Right. What's his name? It's Boba Fett. Oh.

But I think he was even tired. Timo Morse was like, I don't want to talk as much. I want to know how many times he said the line. I know. The problem. If we could get attacked. The problem with that is what I've said those two is that Favreau loved Boba Fett so much. He wanted to do a Boba Fett series.

Well, you can't because of this, this, and the Aller. And the L'A-Lorin is Boba-Fet. Yeah, we knew that. And Lurian is the Boba-Fet that we always pictured. That's Boba-Fat. That's the Boba-Fet that we always envisioned, like, was the bounty hunter that could cross the line, but maybe, you know, did some good things hearing it. That's Bobafet.

But then, like, well, we can't do two of them. him. I thought the best version of Boba Fett so far was the Robert O'Rega's version in the Mandalorian in season two. Oh, yeah, because that was Fett. Because he was still, he was a badass. And he came in, and the way that they shot, the way they used him, he was still, and when he's fighting with, and Boca Tan is lecturing him, and then he's fighting with, um, with, uh, Sasha Banks and the, and the whole thing. I'm shocked. They didn't start the Fet show. You know, you know how they were flashbacking a lot? Yeah. To his young self. No pay off I know.

I thought the show was going to be flashbacks in each episode of different parts of his life. That would have been rad. The book of Bobafat. Book of Boeufet. The chapters of his life. That's what I thought it was going to be. And show him, because he does in the novels show up at very interesting times in history.

Yes. And he's done some shady. And Vader's always hiring him and things like that, you know. Show us some of that. That's what I thought we were going to get. They were going to get in between Empire, like when he sent him out on the mission. I would even be watching that show this morning. I know.

I know. This is why I'm talking about business stuff. I don't understand. I don't know. I always give people. I know. I always get people. Yes.

Well, I get people a hard time sometimes when they say, well, you know, well, Disney's Star Wars and Disney's this. It's not Disney Star Wars. It's Lucas from Star Wars. Yeah, yeah. However, I'm not, it's not to say that there's not, well, we got in a note from Disney. And they don't think that another show about like a bad guy or an anti-hero or something.

So they're wondering, is it possible for, and I'm not saying this happens. This is this is just fan. I'm just saying you could see where a note where they're like, they're asking if it's possible for us to make Boba a good guy. And then Faber goes, well, we could. Maybe what we could do is say, well, what if he had this thing after he escaped the Sarlack pit?

And he came out and he said, he was captured by sand people. And he learned inside of that that there was more to it than just bounty hunting. Like, oh, that's a great idea. Let's try to do that. Now, I don't know if that happened. But you could see that those types of conversations do happen. And there are sometimes, no, we can't make him, he's Boba Fett.

And he's a badass. Because, I mean, everyone would have appreciated seeing Fet kind of have a soft side. Yeah. Kind of. Kind of. Here and there. But Tony Soprano had a soft side sometimes. He got besides lighting up, I mean, that was a pretty fun episode when he, like, comes

and flies and lights up the crowd. Right, right, right, right. You never can have it fully because that ended up being. people that were wrong people. Right. They're all bad guys. When he was wrecking people, when he would go into the, you'd take out those bar people, you wanted to him.

Or something that didn't make any sense. When he went back for his armor, even though he crawled out with his armor, to the Starlight pit and blew up the Starlight pit, I thought it was way more fun. He just went back, knowing, full him well. He climbed out with his armor. Maybe he was unconscious and all that kind of stuff, but he crawled out with his armor. And then when he came back to the pit, I thought it was just going to be a brilliant, like badass move or he's like

you're like you're mother truck you know yeah drops a bomb on it for the heck of it right like I was stuck in you you'll and took it wasn't it was just more up no I got stuck I know and it seems like it's it is things like that I'm just very curious about how they're gonna how they're gonna write it that's

well look Andrew's right around the corner man so maybe you're singing a very different song right now yeah when it comes out but let's let's go but anyway speaking of the act like give me some I think Plagis I think Plagis I think Plagueis is certainly possible. I hope that they don't turn a Mandela good if they are indeed a Sith at all.

But we'll see. Overall, I don't count on it. I know, I know. But look, overall, I'm very excited for that series because I think there'll be Revin mentions. I think there'll be Bain mentions. I think that they're going to play. That's a show. that if they are going to play in the lore,

it's got to be dark. And this is the showrunner of Russian doll. And it's not, this is where I wish somebody can coach. It's not dark for dark, as you know. It's dark because the lures. That's what the master of it is. That's absolutely right.

That's absolutely right. All right. Let's move on real quick. We have a couple more to go through. Artem. Schrochramanian. I hope I said that right. Do you think that Lucasville might take a break for making Star Wars TV shows movies in the future,

three or four years break? No, I don't. Not now. Because there's too much, well, there's too much money in it at the moment. I do, even though it's like, oh, we're going to do a movie here. No, it's not happening. Patty Jenkins is going to a movie. Apparently they are shooting a movie now, whether that's Tyca's movie or not.

There's a lot of things that they didn't do, right? like Ryan Johnson's trilogy and stuff. That's never going to happen. They kept saying that. They promised a lot of things, right? They never. They do that with movies too often. TV is way easier to announce and then shoot.

It's so funny how much gets promised. And then out of nowhere we get random new things like Andor or whatever. Right. Well, so I think that D23 is coming up. Are you going? Maybe. So D20s that again. The D23 is September 9th and September 10th.

Ninth is like the Disney panel of all the Disney stuff that they're doing in general. And then Saturday is the Marvel and Lucasfilm together. Okay. Now Marvel's going to dominate that panel. That's going to be majority of phase, I think. Because they held out, right? Yeah, there was a lot of stuff they didn't. I think that maybe some phase six stuff or maybe majority of phase six stuff and then some phase five stuff that they didn't announce.

But it's in some TV shows. They're going to, they're going to. Probably a lot of X-Men. unload. They're going to dominate the panel. But there'll be a couple of things. If they're going to do, they keep saying they're going to do a movie in 20,

23 for Star Wars. I can't imagine a million years. But if they're going to do a movie, Taiki. That's what they said. Tyco-a-T. That's what they're saying. But if there was a time for them to announce

what the hell this thing is, it's D-23, right? Yeah. That's their thing. That's the new thing. If it's another movie that's coming out, great. But I think that we're going to get a yes or no word.

If Lando is happening, you'll get a confirmation of it at D-23, if it's happening. They base everything off of solo except for Lando. It's like, I don't understand. Which is the best part of the whole movie was Donald Glover and Lando. It was the best part. And he embodied, that's where people always say like who argue that, and again, I don't.

They didn't cast that the same. No, they didn't. Same way with the Obi-1 show. It doesn't seem like they were like trying to focus hard on casting great everywhere. Why not? Cast everything great. I know. Cast it all great.

Agreed. Cast it all really good. But I think that they'll, you'll hear something about that. We'll probably get a little bit more on skeleton crew, some more casting. But I think Ackleite will be a, if I want to find out more about Acoid, they're probably going to show all the stuff they showed from Manilore in season three. They'll show that trailer overall. Asoko, you'll probably get a little bit more on Asoka, maybe an actual premiere date.

Sokol was real good. I love the rebels. It's essentially live action rebels is what this is. And the live action of Asoka was amazing. It was great. That was one of my favorite episodes. It was great. Season 1 and season 2 of Mandalorian, I can rewatch.

I rewatch that. If I can rewatch anything, I rewatch the original trilogy. I can rewatch the prequels now, which I couldn't do for a long time, but I can rewatch the prequels and I enjoy watching them with my daughter a lot. Having harder time

rewatching the sequels these days. I can't. Yeah, but there's nothing there. I know, it's hard. But the, Mandalorian season one and season two, very easy to rewatch. The Boba Fed episodes with the Mandalorian and Luke,

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Oh, well, you did that one already. Did that one. Where am I going? Hey Jamie, this is from Clint Lamberson. What's your favorite Star Wars movie slash TV show? So give one. What's your favorite season of Star Wars TV? And what is your favorite movie, Star Wars movie? I feel like we might land on the same ones.

Changed from when I was a kid. Now I can just watch Empire. I can just watch Empire anytime. I can watch Empire Strikes Back. Were you Jedi guy as a kid? I was a return of the Jedi. Of course. Yeah, of course.

When you watch this is good. Empire is my number one. It's probably my number one movie of all time. In the same, you know. Really good. But Empire's my number one. And then my favorite TV show, Star Wars, is Mandalorian Season 2. That's probably be where I am at.

Yeah. If I was going to rank the shows, I'd put Mandalorian Season 2, Mandalorian Season 1. If I'm not including animated, Manloire in Season 1, excuse me, Season 2, Season 1, Obi-1, Bobafet. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'd rank it right now.

I haven't seen any of the animated stuff. Actually, no. You've seen rebels, right? I'm talking about the recent, like, Vision. No, no, Visions. Yeah, but Visions is in Cannabis, Visions is awesome. Yeah. I haven't seen any of that stuff yet.

It's good. But I do love the episodes where, like, Yoda and Quigon are hanging out and talking and stuff on phone wars. Yeah, yeah. That kind of stuff was so deep to me. Lucas was so involved in those, too. That's why. Okay. So what was that?

So thank you for that question. Let's get to the next one. What's yours, Clint? I know. I don't know what his was. Alba Rodriguez, would you like to see Roken have a virtual role, a vital role in Andor, and Roken being O'Shea Jackson Jr.?

I think it would make sense. It's only five years later. He wouldn't look significantly different, but I don't think they're going to use him. I don't think they're going to use him. I think that Saw the reason that, oh, you saw, yeah, but Saw was used in Rogue One. It's part of their universe.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they did use somebody from the extended universe inside of TV because it'll feel less separate to me and it'll feel like they're actually communicating. More than for a second or a name on a wall. You know, put them part of, use them. Use them the same way that they used. Now remember, Saul wasn't intended from the beginning. Pablo Hidalgo suggested. They said, oh, we have somebody that's kind of an ex, I don't know, was a spy or whatever,

whatever they were doing and had fought in the war. And we have somebody like that in the Clone Wars. Can we make that person Saul Guerrera? They're like, yeah, let's make a Sao Guerrera. And so they brought them from the Clone Wars. It was such a big thing. I remember when it happened. I was like, oh, that's great.

And Pablo was like, well, we know some, we got somebody like that. I hope they do the same thing. Hey, you know, it makes sense that let's use somebody from Obi-Wan because it's in that time period. But I feel like, no, Obi-Wan did their thing. We're doing our thing here. It might highlight it too much. Yeah.

Don't give me Bel Argana, because Bell Argana was already part of Rogue One. Anybody that was already part of Rogue One, that was... You got to help. I don't know. If they did borrow something... Bill will be in it. Jimmy Smith will be in it. Okay, okay.

He's got to be in it. Jimmy Smith has to be in it. He was in Rogue One. If he's in... Oh, you're right. If they're in Rogue One... That's a good point. Yeah, if they're in Rogue One, they've got a good chance.

On that note, do you think we'll see deep fake versions of anybody we've saw in Rogue One? Well, they have a much better... It would look significantly better. And do you think we'll ever get re-releases of Rogue 1 with that guy going in? I think that they should. I don't think that they, I feel like they feel like it's so taboo now because Lucas got so much crap for it for going back and doing it and making changes and stuff too. You got this guy. Some of them are appreciated, right?

Because I appreciated the, when they did it to the Empire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In Phantom Menace. Because he looked kind of creepy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looked weird. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they changed it up.

I like them to change because you got that Shamook guy that does the deep fake stuff now. And if they can get him to do basically what they did for Luke in BobaFet, that's some of the best stuff I've seen so far. If they're able to do that to go back and to fix the Leia one and fix the Tarcan one, sure. And I hope that they bring in Tarcan. I think Tarcan will show up. Yeah. I think Tarcan will show up. And I would love for Ben Mendelsohn to show up too, is,

Crennic. Oh, that'd be cool. The only thing that I could see happening... Then we feel like Rogue 1 again, right? Too much like Rogue 1. Well, you're going to lead into it, though. You're leading into Rogue 1. Mendelssohn.

Yeah, but they're even screening Rogue 1. Bob Mendelso. Yeah, they're screening Rogue 1 in IMAX now as... Oh, yeah, they just released the poster. It's coming out. They're re-releasing it for a preview to Andor. That's cool. Which is...

It's supposed to be like this is a... Rogue One prequel. That's what it is. That would have been fun if they did that for the Obi-1 show. I wonder if the, I don't know if someone probably did that. But the only thing that would negate a lot of what I'm talking about here is

like if Callis showed up from Rebels. Remember Callis? Callis is the, Calus is like the, I wasn't into Rebels as much. Oh, man, you got to go back and watch Robles. I watched various episodes. You got to go back and watch a whole thing.

It's such a good show. But, um, so, and I think that could potentially lead into, Asoka, because the one character that has not been talked about in Asoka is Zeb. So Zeb is like, Zeb was the original design, the Ralph McCory design for Chubaca. It's like this kind of crazy alien that they used in rebels. I forget the species. I forget the species. They'll scream it at me in the comments.

But at the end of Rebels, him and Callas go off. And you don't even hear about Zeb showing up in Asoka. I think Zeb's going to show up in Asoka. I think he'll show up, but I think that callus could be set up. This is the type of stuff that they could absolutely use callus in this show in the rebellion at this point. And Hera could show up in this as well. Actually, yeah, I see that happen.

Hera's mentioned in Rogue 1. I see that happen. Choppers in Rogue 1. Yeah. So do you think they'll probably take this opportunity since they have a new game coming to do any Cal tie-ins? I think for this show, and I'm usually Obi-1, now, yeah, my head's better.

I think you keep Obi-1 out. But I guess not, not Obi-1, but the Inquisitors? Inquisitors, yes. Maybe Vader and all that stuff, too. I think you keep this, and I'm usually always, show me Jedi, show me for, show me this. I think for this show, you keep them out of it. I think you let this show do basically what Rogue 1 did,

and that's minus the Vader scene, you let it rely on what it's really about, and that's the espionage. That's the Empire versus the rebellion and the politics. Like, I don't want that stuff in this show. I want it in general. I want it all over the place in the Ackleide. I want to see the...

One of the things that really gets me excited about the Ackleid is that during the High Republic, we're going to see... For the first time since, like, the prequels, we're really going to see the Jedi in full swing running around with sabers. It makes me nervous, though, because since they haven't really proven

that they are really well-handlers of lore, being tied into the movies and the shows. I'm hoping that whoever they are loaning out the keys to for that kind of thing, I hope they're responsible with it. So one of the reasons I have such hope, and look, I had a lot of hope in Deborah Chow, and I still think she's a really great director. I really do. I think her Mandalorian episodes are great.

It might have been maybe too much, too fast to take your own show. and I don't know if you ever shivered ran a whole show before this. I mean, we don't, yeah, we never know where it stops and ends of limitations. Leslie, from the Ackleine,

she'd run a show before. A successful one, a Russian doll. And a darker show. So I got hold with that one. She knows what she's doing. I still think Everett child's a very good director. I just,

I just made, it might have been, and I was singing the praises. I was like, this is going to be incredible. I said she did a good job. Yeah. Not as great as I wanted it,

but she's a good job. Yeah. But I don't think she's ever run a whole show by yourself. This woman has. Yeah. So that makes me excited. Yeah, that's great. One more.

And then we get the hell out of here. All right. Jeff Buss. When James Earl Jones eventually retires or passes away, let's hope it's many years from now. Who could you see replacing him as the voice of Vader? My first thought is Dennis Hayesburt or Andre Broger. Now, aren't they already kind of doing it?

So, yes. So that's what I was going to say. Now, the first side of that was both of your suggestions, by the way were great. But Obi-Wan proved to me anyway that you can keep in Jamesville Jones

forever for them forever. He's around. He didn't do the voice for for Obi-Wan. They used that program and for Vader like it didn't work as well for me with Luke because Luke sounds a little bit too robotic Vader's supposed to sound robotic.

Yes. Vader's supposed to sound mechanical. Vader's supposed to be and Vader sounded like my big concern I love James Joel Jones. I love. Yeah. But in Rogue 1, James, Darth Vader,

St. They were trying to get as much out of them. He sounds older. Yeah. He doesn't, and he's supposed to be Vader Prime. It worked enough. It worked.

It worked. It wasn't what, yeah, Obi-1 sung. Like, when Vader's song. When Vader first shows up, and like I said earlier in the show,

there are some things I didn't like about, O'Vone, there's some things I really liked, and that was one of them. He shows up, and he's talking to Riva, and basically is just, that was young Vader.

He was, dialed. Not even just voice, which obviously... Movement and all that, yeah. Movement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you said, I think you said it once, or he's very empire. He's very, the best, the peak Vader. The Vader move, the empire move was the one at the very end after he burns Obi-1 and he gets away and he does this quick turn away.

Yeah, like... Yeah, just, like he's out. Like, it was very reminiscent to the stuff I like the new T. But, yeah, so the answer to your question is they've already found a way to make that work. and now you can use his voice forever. So I'm wondering, since that was so good, you think they realized how good that they did of their Vader. Do you ever pitch a Vader series?

I would love to see a Vader series. I would love to see a Vader series. My Vader series would be kind of based off of the Lords of the Sith novel, where he's first really becoming Vader, and him and the emperor get stuck on a planet together. At the same time, Cham Soudala, Harris' father is fighting a war in the sky or in the space.

And having this dual, he is ultimately responsible for kind of kick-starting the rebellion and all this stuff too. And then Vader and the emperor have to fight their way off this planet together. That's cool. And the whole time, the emperor is just playing in psychological warfare in Vader's head

and just like corrupting his brain. There's still kind of some pure thoughts in there, but they're getting quickly, quickly. Yeah, it's a novel. It cinges them further towards Vader. Yeah. Paul S. Kemp wrote this, and it was one of the first canon novels that came out. And it was great.

And so, like, that Vader, like, to support. Yes, that was, that was one of the first one when they released New Canon. That was one of the first, I think it was like New Dawn. It was one, it was the first one. I can't remember the second. The second one might have been, Lord of the Sest. But it was, it was within the first five, first. first novels.

That's very interesting. And it was when I thought they were going to, my interpret, and no one promised me this, it was just my own interpretation that I was wrong. I thought when they made this a big announcement that of all the canon stuff, that everything was going to be canon,

all the novels, all the books, all the games, I thought that meant because we're going to get these books and then just like Harry Potter and everything else, we're going to adapt them. They don't ever, they don't pay attention to them. Oh. They never pay attention. They bring in, like I said, they'll bring in characters sometimes here and there,

but they don't give a crap if they negate anything in the books or the comics. They care if they negate stuff in the TV and in film, but they do not care if they negate stuff in the books. They don't care. Oops, so what? Who cares? Who's reading next up like 15, maybe 10% of people, if that. Yeah.

Who cares? Like, Floney does not care about the novels. He can say that he does, but he knows he doesn't. It's so interesting because that, to me, that's the weight of what carried Starry. Wars is the folks that are the total fans you know so there's there's so many they have so many writers that work like and i always said and people are in the the counter this one i say this inausium about how i believe that they should be adapting their books into series or movies or

whatever too and the argument to the fan as well a lot of this stuff is canon so you'd have to negate it why why they have to negate the canon you just what the what you don't what you don't creatively apply it. Well, let me use Jamie as an example. Up until 10 minutes ago, Jamie was not aware that Lords of the Sith even existed, the novel, right? And was excited about the idea of it. Now, for someone out there who has read Lords of the Sith, how much of it, if you read it recently, sure, but if you read it five years ago, how much of it do you really remember? Like, right? That's part one. And maybe you go back and reread it again.

That's fine. But if you adapt it with the stuff that's canon and inside of it and then of still stay in of maybe add some new scenes that aren't in the book and play into what comes into the and adapt it, have someone write the script. You could absolutely turn that novel. Again, there are tons of stuff that happen inside of the Harry Potter that you're like, oh, well, that doesn't happen in the book or, oh, I wish that scene would happen. That was more detailed. If you adapted a full novel into it, that was the first.

People always ask, what would you do if you're an executive for one day? You're an executive. You had any power to greenlight anything at Star Wars. I would say today we are just greenlighting series based off novels. Give me the coolest books and we'll rank them. Get Claudia Gray in here right now and I'm going to have her write 10 scripts for this, for that, for this. I'm going to bring in other writers to. I would be adapting.

That Thron trilogy. The Darth Plagueis novel. I mean, the Darth Bain trilogy, I would be adapting all of these things because it was still the thing that drove me the most nuts at all the things. But, like, I'm not as, I'm not as, I'm not one of these people that are like, Kathleen Kennedy needs to go, right? But I am like, sometimes she says things, whether she's throwing Alden Iron Reich under the bus or these other things, she's saying. But the thing that she said that I was like, what? I don't know if you know Sebastian Manascalco, the comedian, but like, I immediately, why are you saying that? Oh, when she said the quote about we don't have.

We don't have source material. She said, we don't have, she's like, unlike everything, we don't have source material. I honestly, I heard that quote. It's like, what are you talking about? You don't have source material. What are you talking about? You have tons of source material. If I'm not mistaken, one of the most source material fans of all time.

Now, again, the argument could, what she could counter is we weren't bait. No, the counter could be what I was saying was we were not based, we didn't come from source material. We came from an original idea from George, if that was the save, right? but it played like, turn around. You've got tons of books. Grab one, grab some screenwriters,

and throw, like, comics, yeah, like you got tons of it. You got tons of it. None of the comic stuff like the, the Black Cresanthian or whatever's name is,

the, it's a B.K from the, from Boba Fett. Yep. Obi-1, or, excuse me, Boba-Fett and him have a history in the comics.

They played in that 1%. Book of Boba-Fet. Give me a chapter on it. have it. Take it from the comic. It's right there. Yeah. It's right there.

Show me how, like, Obi-One gave him the score. Show you, and McGregor for a scene and, and shoot that scene. Because you can use the argument of, like, like you were saying, there's only 15 people that read that one thing.

Yeah, it's right. Comparative. And, so you're not going to get, like, you don't have to feel sore. And even then, we all know,

even films like Lord of the Rings can adapt. Yes. Books with being very, very original feeling. Marvel does it all the time, dude. Look at the like Thanos and all that. All came from comics. Now, again, the argument for people that are listening, oh, yeah, but the difference is they don't have to stick to canon.

Again, you can maneuver stuff around, at least taking the, and if you take stuff from legends, you don't have to stick to anything. Like if you made, like if you did all these things, there's so much there that they are leaving on the tape. to try to do these new things sometimes, and it's like you have stuff that works. You have stuff that works. I think that's why it's hard for me these days to, like,

glue to the screen for Star Wars stuff. I used to, like, I used to buy the thing, you know, 4Ks or whatever, right when they would release, DVDs, Blu-rays, all of them. I used to buy them. Because you were locked in. I was locked, because I was a sponge for lore and for tie-ins and theory and all these things.

It's getting hard. Marvel, that's the thing. You can say what you want to say about Marvel. Is there a lot of it now? There is. But even with Shee Hulk, Sheeulk, was a show I was not looking forward to. I didn't think that the trailers were that good. I thought the C.G.

I didn't like bad. And I was like Tatea Mazzlani. And I like Mark Ruffalo, but I don't know about this show. So well written. That's cool. So well written. But what they did really well in all four episodes, I like the first two episodes better than the second two,

but I still like the second two. But what they did really well is they combined. and they talked about their history and their lore. They combined so much of their lore and even in little conversation of things that had happened and piecing it all together and showing you, this all matters. Everything you watched in the past and everything that you did.

That's what you just said. It matters. Everything that you did and that you invested in, you just got rewarded for that. Now, if you didn't watch it, you didn't. Maybe it went over your head. But that's the type of stuff that Star Wars needs to do. And they have it.

They have it. Like if they, if one of these creative meetings, they were like, okay, you know what we're going to do? Maybe they will. What I'm hoping for, and crossing my fingers is there's this moment in, in Bobafat when Asoka says, or Luke says to Asoka, will I ever see you again? And she's like, perhaps whatever she says, right? My fantasy booking, my fingers crossed is that this is all leading to basically air the empire, the, like a series event that Flonis going to lead us to with thrones. that eventually we're going to have this whole Thrawn Luke thing that happens after the events of Ossoca. Yeah.

And you can play it into all that, like at the end of all. That's my hope. My hope is that that happens. I don't know if it will, but it's, it'd be cool. It'd be great. It'd be a great way to do it. Anyway, this is us fantasy booking here. What do you, so before we were, where can people find you now?

Because I know you, you do, YouTube. Yes, YouTube. Yeah. Which I got you. I got your link right there. Sometimes at flappers. Yeah. We're going to do another one together.

Yeah. We should do another one together. We should do another one. The beach. The beach. Have you been hanging out of the beach? Yeah, I'm going right after the... Are you really?

Which is your... What is your beach of choice? Malibu. Good for you. Look at you. See? Living your best life. I like that.

Yeah, YouTube, if they're hungry, if they're really desperate. Yeah. Some good stuff over there. All right. So, and for you guys, by the way, if you didn't already do it, Oops, you should definitely check that out. But as I mentioned to you before, make sure you head on over to the podcast feed. So I was talking to our podcast people, and even though I know there's a lot of people here

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