The Kristian Harloff Show - Will SpiderMan Across The Spider-Verse get nominated for Best Picture?!

Episode Date: June 2, 2023

Join the website: http://www.thekristianharloff.com Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse is getting rave reviews and currently sits at 94% on rotten tomatoes. Some people are calling it one of the best movies of all time. Does this give it the opportunity to be nominated for best picture? Not animated but best picture? The debate rages on today's show. There seems to be another front runner for James Gunn superman. We talk about the new rumor. Batman part two gets pushed back due to the writer strike, the flash is right around the corner and it wouldn't have been made unless Michael Keaton signed on. This in more on today's episode of the big thing capes in Cowls with Kristian, Winston,  and Coy.  #dc  #DCU #Spider-Man #Marvel #theflash  ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing RUMPL: http://www.rumpl.com/thebigthing GREEN CHEF: http://www.greenchef.com/thing60 MINTMOBILE: http://www.mintmobile.com/thing TIME CODES: 00:00 Intro  5:00 Miles Morales stand alone film?! 14:00 ATHLETIC GREENS & RUMPL 18:15 Can Spiderman Across The Spider-Verse get nominated for Best Picture? 31:30 The Batman 2 shooting is delayed. 41:00 MINT MOBILE and GREEN CHEF 45:50 SUPERMAN has a new front runner? 52:00 the Flash honors The Snyderverse says director. 57:40 The Flash wouldn't have happened if Keaton said no. 1:09:00 OUTRO OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg

Hi Fidelio, everybody. How are you doing? It's nice to see you. I hope you're doing well. I hope you doing awesome on this. Friday, big thing, capes and cows. Superman, everybody knew who it was a couple weeks ago. Nobody knows nothing.

There's a new frontrunner. I think it's BS, but nonetheless, it's out there. Superman, followed up by Batman, while the Batman got pushed back. Why? Because of the writer's strike. Everything's getting pushed back. But we'll talk about that, how much of an impact it's going to have.

Speaking of Batman, Michael Keaton, we know he's going to be in the flag. Well, there was going to be no flash if Michael Keaton said no. Did that make sense? That was what they said. Andy Muscietti obviously directed the Flash. He was talking about how the Flash actually honors the Snyderverse. So we'll talk about that. And not the Snyderverse, but the Spiderverse.

That's coming out this week. We're going to do a little preview to that. We're also talking about the high rotten tomato score and how we think it's going to do overall box office. No spoilers on this one. We'll do a full spoiler episode on Monday about that movie. Brand new this channel, we'll show a little, will you? Just an ounce.

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Caps and Cows. Myself. Coy. Winston. And we are back, everybody. Nice to see everybody here today. Oh, shit. Wait, go back to that. What have? You look good? Cut's good. Here, hold on. Get up between last week, right?

Look at it. Oh. It looks good. Miles wishes he was me I was watching that I was watching one of your news videos And I was like wait a minute That's not current It doesn't have a haircut

And then I saw you at the screening Did you have it at the screening? Yeah I got the haircut last Friday I got a quick story All right so My I have a new barber And so

The Baba of Seville Yeah So I'll In those shows today I can feel it So this is my sister's best friend, his barber, cut our hair at my sister's wedding. So I was like, oh, this guy who did a really good job. I'm going to go to this place.

We pull up. And I get there and there is one place right here that's ground floor and another one that is 30 straight narrow stairs up. And I'm like, please, Black Jesus, let it be the one over here that I could just crutch two feet. No, no, no. It was the 30 stairs. It was the thousand percent of the 30 stairs, and I think I have a photo of what it looked like when you finished because I had to twist it out afterwards.

I came out looking like a Japanese anime, like Pompador haircut where it was like kind of poofed and rounded out. And did you get upset when it didn't stay like that? Well, no, no, no, I didn't want it to stay like that. I just, this is how you know someone loves you is because as I'm about to leave and I need help getting down the stairs, if I fall, that's a rap. Kristen's waiting.

She comes in, she goes, baby, You need help? And I was like, oh, no. She didn't BS it. But this is fine. She's used to this. This is the style that I was going for. But like the way, I'll show you the photo.

Hold on. Please. You just text it. Jesus, Christ. Text it will put it up right now. Oh, my God. Let's do it. All right.

So we're lucky enough to, uh, there was a great story. But a great story is always followed by. Great evidence. Oh, man. Like I literally look like I'm about the host. a fight in the 70s. You look like a cowboy bebob extra.

You look like you should be part of a house party. Oh, he does. Dude. Amazing. Thank you. Nice work. Thank you.

That didn't take long at all. We got a lot. We got a lot to talk about here, everybody. There's some good news. There's some good news going on. I don't know what's good news, but it's good news for us to talk about. Let's start with this.

I guess this is good news, man. Miles Morales. Looks like he's going to get a live action move eye. This is the news, again, from comment. comic book movie, this is a big news for Miles Morales fans as Sony pictures, Amy Pascal has officially announced that a live action movie featuring Brooklyn's finest wallcrawler is now in the works. So there's some big news for Spidey fans. This variety has gotten a wind of a couple of significant updates for several planned projects during last night Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse

premiere. Amy Pascal has confirmed that a fourth Spider-Man movie featuring Tom Holland's take on the wall crawler have stalled because of the writer's strike. And she says, are we? going to make another movie? Of course we are. We're in the process, but the writer's strike, nobody's working during the strike. We're all being supportive and whenever they get themselves together, we'll get started. Perhaps more interestingly, was a following announcement. Pascal announced that Miles Morales live action is in development. You'll see all of it. It's all happening. So she's asked about the prospect of Miles making the jump to live action sooner than you expect. Now, what did she say he didn't? The producer, Avia Rod also added, Spide a Woman.

Oh, I see, I see. They didn't clarify this. This is the Olivia Wild live live action film that was announced some time ago. Yada yada yada. Haley Steinfeld, divorces Gwen. It's certainly up for reprising and roll in any form it may take. This is my dream job. Time me over again and again.

And okay, so it looks like they're going to, with the success of this movie and how, and not only just financially how this movie has done the first one and how this one's tracking pretty big and the reviews have been pretty good and it looks like the third one. The fact that they filmed them back to back and it's going to be one continuous

movie. Well, that's what I heard is that the The way that they broke, and, you know, no spoilers in this discussion, but it is very much ends on a cliffhanger. It was because it was a four-hour movie, and they're like, yeah, no, we can't do that. Break it up in the two. Yeah, because this is like two hour and 20 minutes along this movie.

And I'm hoping the next one's about the same because they had the extra time because the delays. You know, with the push, and then there was a secondary push. I hope they allowed it to grow into two movies, as opposed to being a movie cut and a half. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure.

Like one is like $2.25, another one's just an hour and 15. It feels off, you know? I don't think so. I think it's going to be a complete saga, but I think what they found inside of that, and again, we'll go more into depth on the spoilers, but like this is a solid story, solid defined characters,

a solid universe, if you will, and I think that it does lend itself with just certain things that they throw in here to a live action, and to now, speaking of even the highly, Haley Steinfeld, first of all, she looks nothing like the character,

but this doesn't mean you can't change it up at all, but I still think, I don't think they'll cast the live action. I don't think they'll use the voice actors for live action. I think they need to, because we were talking about this off camera beforehand, Shamik Moore did a breakfast club interview. And he was like, I expect at least a phone call that I need to be the first to run it by. And if it's not going to work out, it's not going to work out.

And I think that that's fair. I think that both. Even a role, maybe not miles, but even a roll. Right. But absolutely. Like, I definitely think that, because like you can make Shamique, um, uh, go prowler. I mean,

if you're not, if you're not going to have Donald Glover. But that was the thing. It depends on what they're doing. If this Miles is directly tied to Tom, then that is the prowler in that verse, but it would technically be different

if it's not the same universe. So it just depends. But, I mean, I think that you both A should definitely find a way to include them in whatever live action stuff you do going forward. But I also think they should at least get the first phone call.

I just think they're both too old because I think Haley's also around 29, isn't she? Hey, yeah, she's got to be, I mean, I know she's 20, she's definitely, let's see, how old is she? She was in pitch perfect, and I want to say she was in her 20s. How old is Haley Steinfeld? 26. Okay, okay, okay.

But either way, you're supposed to be potentially playing like 15-year-olds. Like, you, I think you don't necessarily. Well, but it also depends. Well, look, this is the other, we also don't know where it's going to land in the timeline. True. Because they could, the third movie could, you know, depending on where it is, He's a sophomore in high school in the second movie. Maybe he's getting to becoming a junior in the third, whatever.

But by the time we get to a live action, maybe it's years later. Yeah. Maybe he's already, you know, whatever it might be, wherever the story particularly goes, it could be years later, or they could tie it into Marvel, right? Because that's the other question is that Sony has been pretty bad with making good movies. I don't say successful without Marvel. No way, but what about the first Spider-Verse? Before the first Spider-Verse.

And then Spider-Verse comes in, and then this one comes in. They have Lord Miller producing, and then they start to get maybe a little too confident, is the question, or maybe not. And they go, do we need Marvel? Do we need Marvel Studios? Or do they team up with Marvel Studios and create that Tom Holland connection with Miles? I got you. I'll tell you what they need, because, yes, technically the Home trilogy was Sony films, but that very clearly had a lot of MCU influence involved in that.

I think you need Lord and Miller. That's what I'm saying. If you decide to let them be the Fagy of your Spider-Verse, I think that would work. And man, they love these characters. Like, they love them so much that I would love to see them with just that set of characters. And there's so many Spider-Man, you can do a whole universe of the Spider-Bers. And I wouldn't be surprised if we see how Madam Web ties and things and Craven makes it bigger and bigger and bigger. And you've got one overarching thing.

And if they could run it like Kevin Faggie, we'd be in very good hands because, I mean, they brought in, there's an artist I love named Rick Lianardi who designed Spider-Man 299, one of my favorite Spider-Man. And he's in the movie, that's not a spoiler, he's Oscar Isaac. But the artist, Rick Leonardi, was brought on himself to teach the animators how to draw in his style for the duration of his scenes. And that's the hand-on thing that only Lorde Miller would do. They brought on the comic guy to train the animators. That's very specific to the way they see things. And that feels like a very Kevin Faggy thing of like, let's make this as accurate as it can.

Well, that's what I mean. Like I said, they were, they couldn't, they were successful financially with Venom, right? And they did some stuff, but they, they, they're movies that they were trying to do, whether it was Morbius or anything, it just wasn't finding the success with it. It's until they, Lord and Miller, who have a good lock on this and know how to kind of put it together, because they didn't direct either one of these things. They didn't direct it? So in order to.

They didn't direct this? No, they didn't direct either one. There's three directors. Yeah, they didn't direct. They produced. Wow. Yeah. But the fact that, you know, that very thing is that if Amy Pascal then says,

look, we've had this deal with Marvel. Everything was working with the Holland Ones. We have a deal. Maybe let's not tie ourselves to Marvel on this one. We can maybe have cameos from some of those people if we need them if they want to lend it in, but we don't need them, and now we let Lord Miller run this thing.

I would say their best bet because you've already, like, again, no spoilers, but as you get further into the Spider-Verse for this film, you'll see what connections they allude to and whatnot. I think it's a situation where it would behoove Sony because it's only going to further build out their IP. Give the MCU whatever they want, Spider-Man-Man. Holland is essentially the MCU Spider-Man.

If you want to give them somebody to be the MCU Morales or whatever the hell, then that's fine and let them cook however they want, but then continue to do your thing. Like, have your cake and eat it too. I think would only benefit Sony, honestly, but that's me. Of course, but they haven't made those decisions as I've always done that though in the past. I would love to see Lorda Miller been some way responsible

for even Tom Holland, Spider-Man 4. Like, the way they love the character, I would love to see how they would handle, like, a live action because they're clearly very successful there as well. Like, 21 Jump Streets, great. Cloudy the chance of Meatballs is great in the animation side. Like, they do both well. Have they missed?

I want that movie more than the Ron one, man. Can you imagine that? That's my Snyder cut. The Lord and Miller solo. I wonder which stuff they actually kept in from their cut. Because it doesn't feel like either director's movie. I'm just trying to think. Have Lord and Miller missed?

I don't think so. And like, producing wise, either. Out of stuff that they put out. I don't think there's a single Lord Miller experience that I've had negatively. Because, like, 21 Jump Street's great. 22 jumps.

It surprised me that it could keep up with that weird tone. Cloud of Chances Kneeballs. Lego movie. The cocaine bear they produced and got moving. Like, they're the voice. I don't love that movie, though. But like, the tone was so unique to them. But it made money.

Yeah. It was successful. It's not a miss. Yeah, no, they're killer. Extreme movie. I've never really heard of that. I know it is. But yeah, wow.

So I'd love to see that. them like become the fight yeah i like that idea it's a possibility we'll see so the question is for you guys what do you think as far as what they said as sooner than later is the other thing i think that we will probably get more answers as the third one comes out and coy pointed this out earlier that i guess that spider verse part three comes out in march and it's called beyond the spiderverse which sounds a lot like maybe it could start some things beyond the spider verse like it sounds like you know that could be a laundry if she says sooner than you expect the end of that movie what does that mean for this world if it's beyond it.

So Madam Webb is literally a character that ties realities together. How does Craven? So I think Craven is going to be, it's the first R-rated Sony Marvel movie like Spider-Man movie. It's R-rated. So I think that's going to be a test run to maybe do an R-rated venom to do more

harder R things. Because if you look at the universe choices they've made, they're all in the horror side, Venomorbius, PG-13. So I think Craven's going to be a good test run and that might turn into, you know what, you know what? But I think it might turn into like them seeing what they can do with harder stuff. Yeah, interesting.

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Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse swings on to Rotten Tomatoes 94%. First waiver reviews for Spider-Man Across the Spider-Vers it hit earlier today. And the animated sequel is currently sitting at a near-perfect rotten tomato score of 95%. Again, Mark Cassidy over a comic book movie. the review embargo lifted for Sony pictures of Spider-Man across the Spider-verse you can check it out and not too surprisingly after all the social media reviews

the majority of critics are impressed with the animated sequel. Eighty-seven reviews 94% of rotten tomatoes which means that so far only five negative write-ups have been added. Even the rotten reviews single out certain things they didn't enjoy aside from one which describes a movie as a barrage of inconsistent visuals. Wow, bro, bro.

Hold on. I wonder if that's Bibiani. But it seems the unique visual style on display simply isn't to everyone's liking anyway. But pretty high up at 97%. I know what review that is. I'm not going to put her on blast, but I just... Someone who we know? No, but I just decided to do a deep dive and I was like, oh, you pompous motherfucker? Oh, dude, anything that we would have been like, no, that was fun.

Oh, that was whatever? She's like, mm-hmm. What happened? What's that? It didn't come on. screen. Oh, good. Yeah.

But no, I, so right now, at 115, it's back up to 96. Nice. But here's, but here's the other thing.

This is, this is what I, what I tried to explain the other day with Rotten Tomatoes, and I just kind of reiterate it again, too. I still, Rotten Tomatoes, the ranking system is a,

it's a broken system. Because the reason why is that, the way it works is that, people don't understand when someone looks in a movie. Right. And they see that it has, and I'm not,

not, let's say 96%. So they go, whoa, 96% love this movie. This is a movie everyone loves. That's not, I mean, very well, could be the case, but it's not exactly what it means. What it means is that 96% of those critics gave it over a three. Now, what it could also mean, hypothetically, is that 96% of them thought it was okay, but good enough to get a fresh score, so I'm going to give them a three.

So every single one of those critics, at 96%, could be a three. Could think that it's just, eh, but a pass. Right. So it doesn't mean it's amazing. In this particular case, this is just an example I'm using. I think a lot of people really love this movie. Look at the reviews. But this was my point.

And the same is that you would have to think it's under three in order for, like, again, whatever was just 2.9, I can't get it there. And everybody, 100 critics gave it a 2.9. People just want that quick state. And people see the 0%. Oh, everyone thinks it's the worst movie ever. No, that's not what they're saying. It's a broken system.

Yeah, well, it's colorizing like a black and white photo. It's like having a black-of-way photo, just like the historical photo. It's not what it actually is. It's not a proper thing. But that's my point with this. This movie, for anybody who sees it, and this is whoever this pompous person is, it's over a three guy. It's over a three. Like, you don't have to love the movie, but there's no world where you see this movie and you go, this doesn't deserve a fresh.

It's a fresh movie. It's just, whether you love it, that's another conversation. I mean, what's crazy to me is even if, it's, even if, it's, you know, it's, If it's too much for you in which case, then she probably, I didn't even get a chance to look at it. She probably hated everything everywhere all at once because it has a similar energy of not only a lot going on,

but the color palette. There's because you're traveling to different universes, it could potentially be overwhelming for some people, but I think they do such a good job of pacing it and saving those moments where it's a lot for like big set pieces that like there's no reason not to love it. And what's funny to me is I thought you were wild before seeing it for saying

um me uh coy for saying that this is essentially empire but it's empire yeah it's empire yeah it really gives that kind of scope where you're you're diving deeper into this world and you're really taking the time to explore these characters and how they tick um right there that that that that one yeah yeah okay uh there's one two three six total that gave it under a three which is insane and one's a top critic that says it gets drunk in itself i just i just disagree with you people. Yeah, they can have their opinions. I can just think they're wrong. Right. It also says ugly comic book graffiti. Anyway, I'm going to stop reading these people's bad opinions. The movie for me

was my favorite Spider-Man film and Reddit was very mad at me for that. Like, it was really interesting to see the reactions to reactions of a movie people haven't seen. Because people are just mad at the idea of something. Like me, me saying the best Spider-Man movie, I think it is. You think it is. Right. And that's all I'm saying. Right. And I have every right to say, I disagree. Sure, sure, sure. But I'm not... But I'm not disagree. But I can't even really disagree with it because what am I disagreeing with? I'm disagreeing that it's your favorite.

My favorite. I'm disagreeing that if you said flat out, this is the best Spider-Man movie. Right. Then I'd say I disagree with that. Right. I literally say, I think this is the best Spider-Man. Oh, what do you think is the best one? I'm just curious. I don't think this is the best one. I would say that if I was to look at...

I mean, one of the Holland movies for sure, or maybe even the first Spider-Verse. but the ending in this one is good, but it's clearly a continuation to the next one. What it feels like, and that's kind of again, why I think Two Towers might be better to use as an example, but it definitely feels... I think it's Empire and Tone and Two Towers in Conclusion.

Yeah, and I really like Miles a lot. I think he's a really great character. I'm just a Peter Parker guy. Which is fine, but I guess, like, for me, part of that also was just whatever said connection with the character. Like you said, you like him for sure. I think there's just so much with Miles

that directly resonates of the movie. One of the things I like about the Spider-Verse movies is that I, Peter Parker is a character that I connect with more and I've had him for 60 years of reading. Peter Parker is my Spider-Man, but I think I like the Spider-Verse movies more because it makes me like a character

that wouldn't be my number one to a number one level. Like I like Miles in the movies more than Miles in the comics. They've made Miles a really great character that you can relate to, that he, you understand. Like, it's just everybody. Like my daughter right now is 11 years old transitioning from fifth grade into a new school and is trying to figure out the world and trying to growing up and like not and not and wanting to hold on from being a kid to transitioning into, you know, understanding what this, what the world is. And that's right away, watch. It's reminding me being a kid or reminded me of my kid.

It was like trying to just figure out your place in the world overall. And they've done that very well with Miles in both the first one and the second one of what the purpose is. And then obviously the relationship with him and Gwen, I think that and the relationship with his parents, I think is fantastic. And Gwen's relationships are so beautiful. They're great. And they're both really good movies.

And I want to see how the third one, and I don't know if this is a snobbish thing or even, and I love animated films, like, very much so. I just think that for me, there's something about the live action maybe that just resonates just a little bit more when it shows in the movies. Like, I don't know if it's no way home. That's the last one, right?

Yeah. Yeah. is I don't know a home and people will now are arguing. The only reason people like that is because of the nostalgia with the other two. It's not the stuff with May and everything else. Yeah. I did a countdown video at Real Rejects of counting down which is my favorite and I had to give the same like asterix. I know you're going to say this, but that movie uses nostalgia.

It weaponizes it and it uses those characters as Uncle Ben stand-ins and a genius way. No, it's not. It's a story element and it's used perfectly for the story element while being its own Tom movie. It's the best Tom Holland Spider-Man movie even if they weren't. And I think that this is somehow For me still better because what I was saying With Miles is, and as well as animation, I prefer live action animation, just a preference.

And I prefer Peter to Miles just a preference. But these movies make me prefer Miles to Peter in them by being better than I think the source material. And I think that the animation is not usually my thing, but I consider this maybe the best animation so it supersedes my usual staggering. The music too.

Oh, the score, Daniel Pemberton, I think it is. One of the best scores. I thought of you because I was like, I'm thinking of a score and I never, I never go, you're usually like third or fourth point is the score. Yeah. My second or third here was the score and that's rare for me. It was very dominant. There was just a lot of time packing.

I mean, not at all. I mean, just acknowledging what you said. I mean, one, I think what is so powerful about this movie is the fact that there has been this long, like held stance that's supposed that animation all of a sudden just makes it childish. Right. And that is so inaccurate. And like I look at Miazaki, for example, and everything that he's done over all the years. But then like what Giro de Tomo said, Giro del Toro said after winning the Pinocchio Oscar, he was just like, yo, animation is art. Like, stop this nonsense.

And I truly believe that not only will this probably win best animated, it's going to be nominated for best. I want a best picture. Best picture? It'll be nominated for it. I don't think it's got. I think we have a lot of other movies to go through. And I think air right now would be my frontrunner between the two. Yeah.

But I think it's going to get nominated. Well, neither one of you guys ever pay up in your bets, but I'll do it. I'll do it. I'll do a bet. What are you talking about? I think I just haven't. What's the CO a thing? No, you both haven't, but we'll talk about it off there.

But either way, there was a, I think that the movie itself will be nominated and potentially win best animated. It's so rare for that to happen. I mean, the last animated film was the Toy Story 3 was nominated? I believe so. You might be right, but I thought the last one. was Beauty and the Beast. I don't know. Toy Story 3 definitely got nominated for Best Picture.

You may be right, but that was... You're talking about winning or just... Nominated. Nominated. It was... That was the year that they expanded it out to 10. So I just remember that. You very well might be right, but again, that's...

It reinvents animation. So I feel like reinventing animation might get at the picture nom. That's because that's the thing. I think, especially with Best Picture, obviously it's supposed to be what the producer award. So it's the overall, what did you pull off? I think the storytelling, the actual visuals just in general and the score, like you meant all of it collectively.

We're talking about two different things. things here. We're talking about whether it deserves to be and whether it should be. Deserves to be, sure, but they're just it will not happen. It will not happen. Because the other reason why you're going to have so many don't forget about the influx of movies that come

out that you get bombarded with. At the end of year. If you're in this bubble and you're in the film world from the end of September until the end of December, it's boom, boom, look at this movie that no one's heard of. Look at this. Actors that no one knows. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. And this

movie in this movie this movie the same it's just sadness sadness sadness sadness depression boom boom biopick boom boom those are the movies that can that can sure everything everywhere came out in February and held it on all year which yeah but it wasn't animated that's right but it but it's impactful I'm sure but I but I think that's what I'm saying so you have what what top gun and and and uh Waconda forever and all I honestly think that what will end up happening is and and we're seeing this why I don't think it would actually win I hope it does recurrently but I don't think it would be a political move for them to do that. It would specifically be a situation of like,

we're going to gain some clout by doing that, by like even giving it a nomination. But in that, you're talking about it as if there's like a group of like, you know, 13 people get in the room and go, we need to politically make this work for the Oscars. It's not how it works. It's like it's...

I mean, sure, but like I'm looking at even the category last year. I absolutely love Top Gun. I had no way shape or form. thought it was within a shot. I think it was like fifth for me as far as best picture. Like I didn't think it would have, it was like to so to me that, especially because what it meant for the film industry. Right.

Because it did too Billy, because it was a good story and it felt like we were finally back. That felt like a political kind of situation. I think there's a difference in, I think you're right, but I think it's different than just a political move where it's just like an acknowledgement of the change that it did for the film industry. But I think this is that for animation. I think that it's going to do this for animation.

Look, I'm a Joe's pizza type of guy I'm still waiting How much Joe's pizza? Because I don't know how much he... I owe pizza. A full pie. A full pie. I can do that.

You want to do that? I can do that. I think it will get a nomination. Okay. And I'm not going to throw pie down Saturday O, but I'm with you. How much is it Joe's pizza? That's like, 20 bucks? That's fine.

I can do that. Do you talk about it so much? I was like, yeah, it's like, oh. Yeah, it's like an $85. A hundred dollar pizza. It better be fucking shit in out gold. It better come from New York. They better bring it to me from New York.

Hey, somebody order a pizza? Hey. Hey. But I also think that what it did for animation will be remembered at the end of the year, which is what everything everywhere did. That's why I think it might. Because I do think I'll always remember the first minute of this movie. I was like, I don't know.

I've seen this. And that is rare now. I think it'll win best picture, best animated picture. Sure. I think that it'll be nominated for animated. I think that's that there's no, there's no better making there. I hope score. Score, I think, has a shot.

Score. And I do think picture, but those are by the three. I'm edging bets. All right. Well, now I ask you guys. Now, obviously, maybe a lot of you haven't seen the movie yet. Maybe some of you saw it last night. I'm going to probably clip this portion out of it as well, too. So I want to see, do you guys think that across the Spider-Verse could get nominated for best pitcher? This, I mean, I don't think anybody on the table here saying it could win, but like, does anybody think that it could get nominated for best pitcher? Winston and Coy say yes. I say no chance. Not because if it's not worthy, I just don't think that the academy is going to do it. Curious to what you guys think. All right, let's move on to the next story.

All right, guys, let's talk some Batman now. It's not great news, but I think it's kind of, we saw this common news. The Batman, too. Apparently the filming has been delayed until March of next year.

Again, Mark Cassidy, crushing it over there. Though nothing has been officially announced, there is a new report that is claiming that Matt Reeves, the Batman sequel, will no longer be shooting later this year, as originally planned. Last we heard, Matt Reeves, the Batman Part 2, was scheduled to begin filming later this year, November or December,

but now a new report indicates that the production has been delayed. According to the Midgard Times, the writing process has been disrupted by the ongoing WGA strike and shooting has been pushed back to March of 2024. We recently learned that the upcoming Penguin-focused, Mack's spinoff series, has also been affected, doesn't come as a surprise since Reeves is now working on both. While this is a fairly significant delay,

it is not expected to have any impact on the movie's planned release date, and the Dark Night is still set to return on theaters on October 3, 2025. When the new DCU slate was announced, Gunn or confirmed that Reeves' Batverse will remain separate from the DCU, so this movie, along with the Joker sequel, will be Elseworld's Tales, a new actor will down the Cape and Cal for Batman, The Brave and the Bold. Patinson, Cravitz, Circus, Wright, and Colin Farrell,

all expected to reprise their roles, And we also might see the return of, I always say his name wrong, Barry Coogan, Joker, who made his sinister debut in the first movie's mid-credit scene. Q the person who is going to put in the comments how to correctly pronounce it. All right. So, I love this. It's, what, the fact that they're, yeah, me too, but why? Specifically because I, other than just supporting the writers and the strike in general,

I am genuinely concerned that any movie that they're deciding to just screw F it will do it live. Like you are asking for trouble. I genuinely think. I'm so worried about Deadpool. I am so worried about Deadpool at this point. Like it's because I love it. It's because I love it. Look, are the situations a little different?

Sure. But what's the old saying of like doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity? I think this idea of, no, no, no. We're just going to power through and just shoot stuff anyway and we'll figure it out. and, you know, this will end eventually, and then we can, whatever, whatever. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. So because of how much I respect and love what Reeves is doing, I would rather them delay it and I just got to wait some extra time

than them try to force this through. Of course. I think they had a meeting here. Yeah. And they said, look, could we push this back, let's say hypothetically right now to March? Let's push it back. Could we still get this thing out by October? What do you think, Matt?

And he's like, yeah, look, for what we have, we have it all mapped up. We were supposed to start shooting in November. it's really, or December, it's only really three, three and a half months from behind schedule. We have to push a couple heavy days. Well, we can still hit that mark if we start powering some stuff through. So I think it goes any past that, you're going to start running to some problems. I think we're going to an interesting thing happened very soon when SAG joins. I think SAG is joining.

And I think the DGA. That's the main thing. Yeah. I think it'll be over quick when's those three. And then I think people can get back to work quick. I think if there's anything but all three of them joining, it's going to be a long, long time. like we've talked about, but I think that this is them seeing that it's probably going to be able to

be solved quick. This is what happens. And as I talk to more people, this is what's going to happen. They will not let the DGA go on strike. They're just not going to let it happen. So what's going to happen is that as the DGA gets closer to saying,

okay, they're going to figure out the deal with the DGA, they're going to make it work, then Sags can go, okay, they figured it out there, and then the writers are going to have to figure it. The DGAs got a blueprint, because DGA's already got ahead of a few things. One, the DGA has in their language that the director has to be a person. Yeah. Because they, actually, because the Cullen brothers, I think, because you have to have a person be the director. So I always have the Coen Brothers as credited as different things. So I think that language allows for them to write like a blueprint for no AI because it's, it's a language about a person. Sure. And then they're also going to be dealing with, um, the staffing minimums is going to be already established by the DGA because you have a certain amount of roster for the team the directors need. So the writers can model themselves after that and the actors can find a way. So the writers can model themselves after that and the actors can find a way. So, so the

the only language the DGA needs to solve is the language about streaming. That's one of three problems versus three of three problems. So I think the other unions are going to look to the DGA, not only is the leadership for the blueprint, but also like they've only got one problem to solve. We don't fix this stuff. They're going to strike and we're bigger screwed. So I think you're right with a combination of the DGA being like, we've got a lot more cards. Like they're in a better position.

Yeah, it's going to, I'm telling you, once they figure that out with the DGA, that's when that's when they're going to figure everything else out to. And they're going to, I just hope that it doesn't kind of force that. the hands of the writers because it very well might when it comes to once they figure out because I think they're going to figure out the DGA pretty quick. It's going to be interesting because obviously it is a lot of it is like how much

do people kind of have squirled a way to like power through and whatnot? But I think I genuinely feel like the writers are probably not going to are not going to break. They might bend a little bit but they won't break because you are talking about something that could effectively eliminate them as like a job.

Right. You know? And so same thing with the actors. Because then all of sudden, great, you just go to Tupac's estate, go to Heath Ledger's estate, get them to sign over the rights, and we don't ever need to see a new actor again, because you can just put, I don't know why I picked Tupac of all people, he's been in like five movies.

But you know what I'm saying? I was just thinking about it. I think you saw, 1990 scans of juice. Did you see that AI thing that went around of the people who passed away? And then Tupac was probably a while. Oh, was he? Well, the hologram already happened. So frankly. Right. And so, like, which is funny. And that was like seven years ago. Yeah. So we're one

poetic justice stand away. Or it was a decade. And because I remember South Park making fun of it. And so like it's something that we've, in the back of our mind, knew that this may be coming. I just, I, what's wild to me that, and this is where greed is such like a dangerous mentality, man, is you have so many people in the tech industry, straight up being like, this is really dangerous. And there was even a report that came out this week where they signed another open letter being like, this isn't just like a threat. to like the economies, this is a situation where we could look at human extinction. Skynet could actually happen is what they're talking about.

Yeah. And like, because there was a, there was a video of whatever robot that was doing labor that just like did the algorithm in its hand about what this was and just quit in life and just shut itself down. It was like, I'm done. Yeah. So like, what makes you think that it couldn't potentially do that? I am so concerned that their studios are going to be so like, I want to make as much

possible money off of these AI stuff that you were effectively going to be causing a problem we can't come back. And there's also a really tricky timing because it's studios trying to make a lot of money while also being like, okay, the lockdown really hurt us and also streaming. We thought it'd make money forever and it didn't. So we need the new thing to make money forever and then they'll assign on to something that would otherwise be as

insane as AI. There's a hundred years of writing about how robots are going to kill us all and studios might be like, but the red button will get me 10 years more money. Because they're going to also, they're also going to say this. I don't ever have to deal with so-and-so's attitude on set anymore. Right, right. I don't have to deal with this anymore and I can get the

same work out of them. You don't think you're going to. I can get so and so. I can have one of the best actors of all time who's been dead for 15 years. Right. I love Rock Hudson. Let's put it in a movie. And do a movie for me.

And nobody will know the difference. What do I need this guy? He's not even that good. And who cares? This guy's going to be hot for three years. And meanwhile, like, Bruce Willis is sick. Not anymore. Not in my world.

I want to make die hard. Die hard four. But I want to do it my way or five, whatever the hell of it. I want to do it. I want to do it my way. It is possible. from them to do this now. And I said years ago before the AI thing,

I said eventually we're going to get to a place where all you're going to have to do is like this. I want to do a movie where it happens with John McLean right afterwards. I want Young Bruce Wallace. I want him sound like him. I want all of this. And then he signed off on it. Good. Is his they're going to get money from it? Go. And the selfish part of me is like, I want to see that movie.

And I'm the sidekick. Because you can scan yourself. I guarantee the first upgrade is home scanners to put yourself in the movie. So when you're watching it, it's about you. Like I guarantee the next thing after. You could be hanging out with drama thing if you want. Like you're going to be whoever that actor was

that tried to put in everything. But they get sell programs. 100%. That's the way. It's the first thing. And you could get a better quality. It's crazy. You can buy skins like in Sims,

but you can scan your Zara shirts. Right. And they're going to do and they're going to pretty much like take people out of, you know, the like the actors and writers and looking voiceover actors now, man. Yeah. And as soon as porn signs on, it's over because the tech always follows porn. Like that's why Blu-ray 1 over HD DVD. That's why.

a VHS one over Betamax. It's whatever the porn industry chooses becomes the standard. So as soon as a bunch of horny dudes are like, I can screw tea and tequila and like all the Nazis find their people, then you got that like whole movement too. It's terrifying.

You would know that. Teal teal teal is a Nazi now. No, no, not that. Oh. No, no, not that. No, no, not that. No, literally. The porn industry is always the driving force entertainment.

It's always the money. It's crazy. Which is funny because if that's really the case, I remember the porn starts being like, now 4K got to go. Because now all of a sudden you just do it all of the pimples. A lot of different work. And it's a different thing.

The makeup's got to change. The lighting's got to change. How long you've been on said? How many dudes you're blowing? It changes everything. Dude, this is still a kid show, sort of. I've been using creative language. But that's the format.

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All right. Let's move on over here to another topic here. every five minutes now a new Superman is the frontrunner so now they're saying that Supergirl actor Pearson Fode Fode Who knows

He's now Fosé that sounds right like rosé Yeah well I gave it the classy version I gave it to New York Hey you guys hear Pearson Fode Superman or something He's got like the black crow and everything

Man he's hit him fly by And give me a Joe's pizza Well he's in the title He's in the lead frontrunner apparently for Superman Legacy. So this is from Josh Wilding, who apparently Mike Kalanowski hates. With Gardens of the Galaxy volume 3 now in the rear view,

James Gunn is focusing all of his efforts on Superman Legacy. The filmmaker has even found a new contender who is a bold and beautiful star. Now the hunt for DC's Manna Steel continues, and now Pearson Fode is now in the lead. According to Variety, he sent in a self-tape for the role that included a montage of footage from his Clark, Kent childhood on a farm in Moses Lake Washington

and the filmmaker James Gunn liked what he saw about both his and Fodes rep refused to comment on the news. An insider, though, says no casting decisions have been made and while we wait to see what happens, we're guessing you're wondering who he is. That's a sexy man. Thank you. Best known for starring in the bold and beautiful between 2015-2018,

he also counts the likes of the man from Toronto and dynasty among his credits. perhaps the most interesting is that he had a small role in an episode of Supergirl and it was just a role for him to sink his teeth into as he played a former member of a hate group that targeted transgender individuals. As you see, Fodei definitely looks like the part as being cast, but obviously serve as the 31-year-old's big break in Hollywood. All right, so let me, this is a picture of him if everybody's wondering what he looks like.

There he is. I don't like that photo as much. I'm not knocking you or anything, but this is the one I saw that I was like, that looks very Clark Kenney into me. Yeah. Oh, wow. You got his eyebrows done. I don't know.

I mean, the one Winston just showed me definitely better than this one. I don't think this guy looks anywhere near Superman. But yeah, this is the other picture. There's other pictures that looks like him. And again, I say the same thing that I did. I'm not in the room when this guy's reading. James Gunn is. James Gunn is good at casting.

He's very good at casting. So, you know, my, I don't say red flag. but I go, and maybe unfairly, I say bold and beautiful. Oh, sure. Or whatever the hell that thing is called, the soap opera. And I go, uh-oh. But that doesn't mean anything. There's a lot of great actors and actress that have come through soap operas.

But that's just an unfair assumption on my part, admittedly so. But I see the look, though, and that picture that I saw, I don't know, I saw that other guy that I saw that fan casting thing that we did for a while. Not fan casting, because he was in the lead for it. The other ones that I've seen so far, more had the look, but I'm not in the room. All I know is, is I, what was the name of the other dude that was the frontrunner? There was two of them. There was that that Wolfgang guy, and then there was, I don't remember the other guy, Daniel, something around there.

Look, I'm, I think, one, thank you for the context of what episode of Supergirl, because now I actually remember, and he did do a very, very good job. So, like, he's got chops. So that's, that I can acknowledge. that and we know gun loves the idea of trying to give somebody their opportunity. I love the unknown thing they're going. And all the names we've heard, I haven't heard. Like, I don't know a single one of these front runners in life, so that's good.

But from a personal standpoint, if I'm out here in these streets being like, hey, dog, we, 10 steps, we had a step number eight to be Superman, baby. And then all of a sudden you just hear, hey, there's other guys. They got this guy. Can you imagine? Who the fuck is this guy? Yeah. All right? Who is he? And another person that's got like the same amount of credits.

Like, I was like I was right here. That's why I don't link until they announce. we can really even say frontrunner. And that's why there's been no confirmation on any front runners. And we don't know if this guy is too. And there's also very real possibility. I'm not saying this is the case, but there's a very real possibility that they're like,

we don't want any way getting anywhere close to knowing who's cast until we get to Comic Con. Yeah. And we're getting close. Yeah, leak this. Let them start thinking that this person is. Because the specificity of the tape and everything. That's a leak no matter what. Well, I like this guy.

But let's leak and say it's definitely him. It very well could be. Let's say it's him. we still think it's this guy. Right. Leak that one. Let them start talking about that. And that's something,

gun plays that kind of game. And worst case, these actors are getting great press. That's right. These actors are getting a lot of ink. These actors are getting looked out. This might get them casting off of just hearing the rumor, which is already helping everybody.

And then we've got seven weeks till Comic Con or so. So like we're cooking up. Like we're getting there. I think so. And I think that that's, but it's possible, but it also could be possible that this is the guy. You know, I don't know.

And I don't, like I said, I don't want to just look at it and say, well, doesn't look like it to me. I trust enough in that James Gunn has casted pretty damn brilliantly over the last few years or his career in general. So if he thinks this is the guy, then this is the guy. But I mean, I, from looking wise, and it's so unfair because as I'm looking at that other

guy that I thought was a much better look, this guy could be a way better actor. It could be a way better actor. And I'm going, oh, I shouldn't have cast that other guy. It should have cast a bold and beautiful guy. But I don't know. Anyway, very curious to what you guys think, not only, are. Are you kind of in my camp where you're maybe misjudging or doing a Winston and going, Robert Pattinson, Twilight?

He's not going to work. The Batman. Man, you are bitter. Not really. You just love me right. I love throwing it back in your right. I love to throw that one back in your face. Also, you should.

That's fine. You know, I hold my L's with pride. But if anybody wants to know what photo I'm talking about, just go look at him in an I and D.B. He's like on a football field and a white shirt. It's his profile picture. You'll see. I think he looks very clear. I can put that up here as well, too.

But anyway. So I really want to know what everybody thinks. Do you think that this could be the guy? Do you think they're throwing people away? Do you think that someone else could walk in the room tomorrow? And then they go, no, no, no, no, that's the guy. Are they still casting? Have they cast so curious to hear what you guys think.

I want to talk about The Flash, man. We are coming up to The Flash. It's right around the corner, everybody. The Flash director, Annie Mushietti, says that the movie honored Zach Snyder's DCEU, and he teased surprising post-credit scene. Now, this is from casting. again. We've heard that the Flash treats the Snyderverse as canon and Mushieti has now confirmed that his movie does honor Zach Snyder's work on the original

DCEU. I have seen the movie and I can confirm that. Though it may seem hard to believe how much time has passed and the recent rebooting of Warner Brothers shared DC comics-based world with the dawn of the DCU, a lot of fans are still hoping to see Stanterverse restored in some form. While we still, we may eventually see a comic book sequel to Zach Snyder's Justice League, the chances of the filmmaker get. getting the opportunity to revisit his characters in live action are slim, and we don't even know if he'd be interested. Though there are alternate timelines involved in The Flash and is technically set in the universe established in Snyder's films, and Mooscietti has confirmed that his movie is respectable of what came before. Mushetti says, I would love Zach to watch this movie.

I think we honored the part of the movie that he created in terms of characters and characterizations and cast, so I think he'd enjoy it. There have been several press and fan screenings of The Flash, but the version that's set to race into theaters this month is said to feature. a completely different ending and at least one new post-credit scene. So if you see the movie on June 16th or after, you're going to notice there's a couple of surprises that we wanted to leave to the release of the movie to avoid any possible leaks and stuff. So there's a couple more surprises in there.

Did your ending feel concludes? Like, I'm very curious about that. I'll tell you in a sec, directed by ultimately to save the world. Okay, it's just a synopsis of it. So to answer your question, there is a, and I'm not going to spoil anything. Yeah, I wouldn't want to know. There's no spoilers whatsoever. I would never do that to anybody.

I don't like when that's done. What I will say is this. There is a post-credit scene. That's not a spoiler. The post-credit scene that I saw kind of leads somewhere and you go, oh. And then I saw it with somebody who said, that's not what I saw two weeks ago. Cool. Interesting.

They said, I saw this. And then that same person told me, and I know someone else who saw that. And we saw three different things. And I said, well, wait a minute. And what that means is that exactly this is that they don't want anybody to leak. So I'm going to see it again next week. So I don't know what the hell. Yeah.

You got me? Not yet. I got to see. They're holding it close to the best. I'm trying to figure it up. But we, but yeah. So they, they're definitely going to change. The question is, are they going to show the press screenings?

I doubt it. It said June 16th. It said June 16th. I think it comes out then. So I wonder if when you see it in the theater, when I see it next week, I'm going to see the same thing. I've got my tickets for June 15th and 7. I've got my like release tickets. And so that might be the first time to see it the way.

But I also want to see it as soon as possible because I also kind of want to see the alternates. I hope the Blu-ray is just all the alts. So I can see what the movie has been. I can also see a world where if this is supposed to be both the beginning of the new, new, but like the closing out. there's a world where it's like two mid credits and a post. If three is all they're done. There's only one. There was only one that I saw, but that's not the same. But you said me two others. So I'm saying, no, no, no, but it was the two, let me, let me, let me,

uh, reiterate the two others was the same scene. They're all the same scene, but different. Oh, that's cool. They're all the same scene, but different. But I couldn't see multiple, one definitive one of that, and then multiple others. I think there's going to be other ones that they didn't have it all. There was only one scene that was shown for us. three versions of it. But three versions of it, at least from what I was where. Like I said, someone who I was with saw it two weeks prior.

I said, that was a different scene and they had that and told me what it was. And then said, and then I heard that someone else saw it. And then they saw that. That's fun. And it's the same scene. So very interesting because it does. Yeah. Oh, wait.

Yeah. I'll wait. So a few more weeks. And then what if, I mean, it is also a month out from Comic Con. It'd be cool to have something setting up where it lands. If the final post credit scene starts. the DCU. I'm going to tell you this, though,

even though we're doing a full spoiler heavy episode of the Spiderverse on Monday, that Flash spoiler is going to be one of our in-depth conversations. Hell yeah. We're going to be diving real deep. I'm so excited.

But that's as far as the Snyderverse portion of it goes, yeah, I've seen the movie, you know, and they do. It takes place in that world. And it kind of has to, because as your trailer show it. But Ezra Miller's cast was cast as the flash. Right. By Zach Snyder. Right.

So it's a continuation of that story. The trailer is a bit affleck. Yeah, the trailers have Zod. Zod, the fact that Ben is the one, at least from the trailers that I've, like the final trailer of him just being like, you do realize you could just break everything if you do this, right?

So like clearly this is as most Flashpoint stories as they're told, it takes place in whatever universe they're about to wrap up. And then by the time it's over, you have reset the continuity. That's exactly what happened of the new 52 is that flashpoint happens and then everything is different.

Right. Yeah, I think that it's definitely pays respect for sure. And I think, I mean, I don't know. Some people are always looking to just be upset about something and whether it's, they just want him to come back and he's not going to come back so they're going to hate the movie regardless. But then there's other people who were big, just big fans of Snyder in general that I think will look at this movie and go, yeah, it sucks that a lot of these changes are happening.

But this is a, this is a, a nice tip of the cap to the stuff that he put in there. But speaking of the Flash, this is the last story we're going to close with here. Michael Keaton, one of the big draws to this movie in general, and I think one of the reasons that even though 70 million might not be a great tracking number, the main reason it's got even 70 million is because of Michael Keaton. So there's a report right now that the Flash supposedly wouldn't have even been made if Michael Keaton refused to return as Batman.

Now, Mushietti said that bringing Michael Keaton back as Batman was all. always the plan and that if he didn't agree to reprise his most famous role, it simply wouldn't been made. This is from Ushietti. The Flash is supposed to be about, well, the Flash. However, trailers for the movie have put Michael Keaton's Batman front and center, with the idea clearly being to pull the spot away from the troubled Ezra Miller and cash in on Hollywood's current obsession with nostalgia.

Warner Brothers originally planned to have Keaton become the DC-EU's Dark Night, appearing in Batgirl, Crisis on Infinity Arts, and even a possible Batman Beyond Project. This might explain why the actor was so crucial to filmmaker Annie and Barbara Mouschetti's plans for The Flash. We were, of course, filled with blind confidence that you have when you have developed a movie and when you get excited about ideas like this. It just pushes you forward. We were all excited believing that having Michael Keaton as Batman would be a great thing. And also, I think we all believe that he would be excited about it and he was.

Barbara Moushietti says, in moments like this, you have to lean in. As we sat with him at a lovely lunch, we told him that we couldn't make the movie without him and he boarded the train. Affleck plays a minor supporting role in the Flash, but it wouldn't have been a huge amount of sense for him to have been this new reality's dark night. Val Kilmer is unable to return due to ill health, while there's no way Clooney is ever reprising his role for more than a cameo at most.

There was already Christian Bale, of course, but he had said on multiple occasions he'll only do it if Nolan is at the helm. Could Jeffrey D. Morgan have played the Thomas Wayne Flashpoint Batman? Yes, but that doesn't exactly have the markings of a massive draw. Unfortunately, and now, Flash coming out June 16th. Yeah, I think this is from the take on the movie in general, like after seeing it again,

if you cut this version of Michael Keaton out, does it lessen the movie? Yeah, I think it does. I think it lessens the movie. You could have put another Batman in there, but I think it lessens the movie. You think, because the only one for me that would have potentially worked is bail.

Yeah, I think bail to me would be more flashpoints. flavor? Not necessarily only because no. No, no, no, not even if you haven't seen it. Remember that Nolan's movie and I like the Nolan movies way better than like the Tim Burton movies. And I love Michael

Keaton as Batman, but I love Nolan way more. But Nolan's is realism. Burton's plays in the supernatural. Burton plays in the crazy, especially in that second one for sure. Burton plays in there so it would make sense that he could be involved in if aliens and

stuff were around or whatever the hell it would be that you could... Those tones do work better. You could see it because he, because Bales played in as if there were no supernaturally. Which, yeah, that's part of the strength of those. That's the right. The point. Yeah. No, that's, that is, that is extremely solid point.

I think what my sticking point was other than bail so far as my favorite live action Batman, I think it's also just from the standpoint of I'm thinking age. And so like the idea of Keaton playing older Bruce and Batman Beyond sounds great, but the idea that he's supposed, and I guess I'll see it when I see it, the idea of him being Batman in his prime, when Keaton himself looks like he's about ready to pop out of geriatric baby just like his, you know, the other homies. Well, that's like, he's only like, I don't think he's 70 years old yet.

What? Is he like 74? No, Michael Keaton? You're crazy. I think he was like in his late 30s when he got cast, wouldn't he? Hold on a second. I thought Michael Keaton was in his like early to mid-70s. 71.

Yeah. So, yeah. He was close. You said mid. Okay, early to mid. Still, he carries himself like a 50-year-old man. Which is fine, but if we're just thinking about longevity of stuff, once you start

hitting your 70s, let's just be real. Those are long days to do superhero. That's what I'm thinking, like Christian Bail's more the flashpoint age, whereas he's the more Bruce Wayne and Batman Beyond Age. Like Michael Keaton is more the beyond to me. Because Bruce has lots to do, but less. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't have to be in the suit, but he's still being Batman.

You know what I mean? I'd still love to see a Dark Night Returns with Bail. I'd love to see like a Frank Miller take of him coming back and like being the the beefy, afflecky Batman and like having to fix Gotham because he left. Like they ended Dark Night Rise is perfect to have him return. Yeah, I just don't think that right now,

especially with Raven the Bulls. Oh, there's no way. There's no way for a while. Unless they all tank and they need an Elseworld that is going to be popular. Yeah. I was like again, I want to, I'm very curious and excited to have the conversation

about the Flash spoilers or how it all kind of plays out in general with Elseworld stuff, with all that stuff in the future, if it indeed happens. And we'll end the conversation with this when it comes to Flash. It's tracking at 70 million. The movie had to at least cost with marketing close to 250, at least. That's low, isn't it?

Yeah, I thought it was like three. 70 tracking is low, yeah. Because Spider-Verse, I think, is tracking. 150? 150? I thought 150, is it? I thought it was 115, but I could know. Oh, maybe you're right.

Maybe you're right. I thought it was 150. But either way, it's, it's, yeah, 70 million is. It's probably not the number that they want. And we kind of broke it down on yesterday. I think there's a lot of different reasons for why it's tracking as low-guess. Because Spider-verse only cost 100, which is incredible considering. It costs only a hundred.

Yeah, considering Pixar costs $200. With marking? No, no, the movie. Just the movie. Okay. So, but if you break even on your movie opening weekend? Yeah, so we're, well, that's not breaking even. I'm not making even on non-marketing.

Like, you're breaking even on the movie's budget. But the marketing always plays into it. So let's say, hypothetically, it's $200 million. Sure. You're going to make that. back in worldwide like that. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's impressive. So you're going to make it back open. Right.

You're going to least break even. The Flash at 70. That's that inexpensive. It's like 500 because you say it's 250 just the movie? No, I think that the I don't know. They did so many reshoots and it's like so big. The Flash I can't imagine that budget is under 250.

220. It's the sixth highest budget movie under the DC banner and that's not including marketing. So let's just say it's let's let's be generous and say that everything, they need make about 320. Is that budget including reshoots? That's the question.

That's the question. I don't know. So let's just be conservative about it and let's just say that that doesn't. So let's say they maybe pumped another 30. So you're looking at half a billion dollars. No, well, no, no. So you're saying if you're adding another 50, you're saying about 350. But he's saying 250, double it for marketing.

Oh, you're saying it. Because usually the movies. You always add about it. I'd say about 100 million or so into the marketing. Maybe. Okay. All right. So, 350 to clean. That's still 350.

Let's say, again, being conservative, we'll say, we'll say, any between $350, 400 million that they have to make with 70 million opening. That's not a good start. Word amounts going to help, but. If it's as good as everybody is saying, legs will be there. It will have the legs and it'll go the distance. Thankfully, because he's flash, it'll have legs. But that's still the distance is how long is the distance?

Because you also have got, you've got a lot of movies coming out, man. June is insane. You've got... Just on Flash Day, you've got extraction, asteroid city, elemental, and Flash. Just that day. Right.

That's crazy. And then you have Mission Impossible, like, you know, coming out in July is a couple weeks later. So they've got to really do some damage in the first two weeks. So here's my question then. I don't think anything's going to come remotely close

to what Top Gun did last year, but you haven't seen it, and I know Top Gun holds a special place in your heart, does it give them? the vibes of something that is so uniquely special that it could pull it off? No. Okay. I think it's a good movie.

I think it's really good. I think that it's complete hyperbole that it's the best comic book movie ever made. Okay. I think it's insanity. Like, where people were, and I said this to you guys, I saw the trailer again when I went to see Fast X. I was like, oh, I can't wait to see that movie again. I really, really enjoyed it.

But it's not the best comic book movie ever, and I think that's a disservice to it when they, because if you go and expecting a 13 and you get a nine, you should be happy with the nine. It's really, really good. It's really, really good. And I would even venture off and say, great. I mean, that's why he scared me with all his talk about. That's why I was worried about, like, yeah, because for me. It felt like a bunch of hyperbole.

This is a really good movie. And after seeing it again, when I see it next week, I very well might come back and say, this is my favorite DCEU film. It's very possible. Right now, it's a tie, I think, between the Man of Steel and the Suicide Squad. This is my two, I think, favorite right now. I know I'm in the minority with those two, but those are my two favorites. And I think that this very well could be, and this one might be tied with it now.

But I want to see it again and double check. And I want to see it on the finished version. And I want to see how it kind of overall kind of plays. I don't know, though, man. I think that it's, we talked about this on the show yesterday. $70 million. If an opening weekend with worldwide, let's say it does, say it winds up doing around, I don't know, 200 million. maybe let's let's be a little generous let's say 250 opening weekend then it's got to make another

hundred or so the next week so let's say again being generous say 350 opening week and then it can start tacking on some money i think it actually craps out around between four or five hundred whether it barely breaks even whatever the costs are i think it breaks even makes a little profit makes it makes a little profit i don't think it's going to be the hit they want it to be i think There's a lot of things that go into it. And we don't have to go into great depth, whether it's the examples I were given yesterday was, I do think the bubble that pays attention to it

and more than more that it gets, I think the Ezra thing is definitely gonna keep people out of the theater for sure, a bubble, not enough to really hurt it, but then as press starts to come out, more people will hear about it, right? Right. But again, I think it's a portion.

I don't think it's, I think Marvel fatigue helped. Chris Carr was on yesterday and she said it great. I think there's a mediocrity fatigue right now. And a lot of these Marvel movies have been, and shows have been mediocre. That's why Guardians did well. DC also, though, has been mediocre. Sure. But Guardians was connected to the old regime.

That's what I'm saying. I think that's why Guardians did well because it wasn't Marvel fatigue because it wasn't a fatigued movie. It was a unique experience. And that's why it did well because word of mouth got out like, no, no, it's not the Marvel thing that's been happening. It's this. And it's also, they've proven us that they've taken care of us in the past. And 115 for animated film is great for the first Spider-Verse, which means like... Yeah, but then look at Shazam did crappy, Black Adam did crappy.

And that, well, because I guess that's the thing. There have been moments that have been good, but when has D.C. taken care of us the way the MCU ever did? You know what I'm saying? The DC-EU. Yeah, but even the suicide squad, which I loved, that movie ate a big pile of shit. Now, only... Pandemic, absolutely, too, from when they released it, too.

But it doesn't change the fact that the movies just haven't done well in the theater. and that's why one of this big... Wonder Woman is the only one? It was the last... It hit a billion. Yeah. Did that hit a billion? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Al-Aqomain made a billion also. Mm-hmm. That's been a while. Yeah, five, six years. Yeah, those are the two that have made a lot of cash in done. But what's interesting about Aquaman in particular, I think there was... That was special in that Jason Momoa has a very magnetic energy.

Because I've gone back and rewatch it. It's a very mid-movie. Yeah, I didn't love the one I saw it. The first time I saw it was like, oh, that was a fun romp. But then like, it's him. It's him. You watch it for him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I don't think I've seen it since I saw it the first time. It's not a billion-dollar movie, but either of the Jurassic Worlds. Like, it's weird what does well. You know what I mean? When we look at those things, when we did our billion dollar journey, I was like, now I'm second-guessing. The Lion King? I'm sure somebody in the comments has already figured, there's not a billion. Oh, Aquaman did?

Oh, Aquaman did. I remember. I didn't think Wonder Woman did, but you very well could be right. I thought it was like 960. 822. Oh, okay. Okay, so it wasn't. But anyway, yeah, question for you guys, man.

You think we're, and I think the same question that we asked yesterday, but I want to, especially on this show, what does the flash do? Does it do well? Do you guys see it? And if you do want to see it, why? If you don't want to see it, why? Like, every reason, every reason, put it out there. We want to see it. I mean, obviously keep it respectful as you can.

But I want to see why. And if you are going to see it or not going to. see it. I'm very curious to hear what you guys say. Okay, that's it for us today, man. So we have our spoiler-heavy review of Cross the Spider-Verse on Monday that will serve as our Big Thing episode. I want to thank the crew here today

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