The Kristian Harloff Show - Will Star Wars fans embrace the new Rey Skywalker film?

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow The new Star Wars movie is slated to come out in May 2026. There are big hope and need for Disney that Star Wars succeeds. There are approaches that Lucas Film has taken that some people might agree with and others don't. The Director of the new Rey Skywalker film Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy says that she will be the first female crafting a Star Wars story. A lot of people have embraced the comments and a lot of people have pushed back on the comments. How should LucasFilm approach the new movie? Should they stay the course and do exactly what they're doing or should they change their marketing strategy? Also, speaking of Star Wars, a fan made a Clone Wars style animation of the battle of heroes from revenge of the Sith. We give our thoughts on what we thought. Stephen Yoon from walking dead fame has left the marvels property the expendables or whatever it's called. Is this a big deal? Is it simply scheduling? Join us today on the show as Kristian Harloff and Steph Sabraw discuss this and more on the big thing! Please comment and as always subscribe.  #StarWars #Skywalker #LucasFilm #Marvel #MCU #CloneWars #Fan #Movie SUPPORT THE SHOW HERE: TRADE COFFEE: http://www.drinktrade.com/BIGTHING ROCKETMONEY: http://www.RocketMoney.com/THING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff TWITTER - https://twitter.com/kristianharloff FACEBOOK - https://facebook.com/harloff INSTAGRAM - https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

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today i'm excited to talk about it there's a lot of different things that we're going to talk about um we just watched that animation the clone wars we're just get into that to start it's kind of fresh off of that i'm going to do i'm going to do another reaction to it and i'm just kind of break it down i always tell people. I don't, I never, and I will never, like, pretend that I'm watching it for the first time. I don't let people do that. I know. That's so weird. I can't do it. I can't do it. Every time I, if I, if I wind up seeing something, I'm like, oh, I want to react to it. I just tell people of the top of the look, I saw, I saw it already. Right. I'm just going to watch it again. I've never once heard someone go, oh, you've watched it already. I'm not watching this again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They go, thanks for telling me.

Right. And then I want to see what you're reacting is to it. Yeah. I can't even repeat the same things twice. No. It feels very unnatural. It feels super unnatural. And it's just like I would rather tell you, hey, I've seen this already. I want to watch it again. And I'm going to play through some of the cool things.

And because I probably have a better analysis of it the second time, something like this. Yeah. So I'm going to be doing that. I'm going to do it again. So you guys can check out whenever the hell I do that. And that's the other thing. I don't know what I'm going to do it. So we just watched it.

And I told you about it before. And we started a little late. And stuff was nice enough to push back some of it. or plans in order to watch it. What did you think of it? It's amazing. It's so heartbreaking. Yeah.

So the most, it's... Were you wiping tears? I got a little tearful. Yeah, because it's still the most depressing character arc to me of all time. Sure. I'll never get over it. And it's interesting because it's like, in theory it's the most depressing, but I think in practice, this did it a little bit better.

It's kind of what I was talking about with the Asoka series is that, there's moments of these Socas series that I remember saying this to you that in animation, it probably would have played a lot better than it did in live action. And people are like, well, no, if it's good in animation, it'll be good in live action.

There are certain things that you can do in animation because when you're watching something in live action, you're like, well, that feels like it's animated or it takes you away. But when it is animated, and they're able to do something with the movements and there's certain, even what I always found silly, and this is how you know a me thing,

but there's a part in Revenge of the Sitt that they echo in this scene where they're fighting at the very end. Anakin kind of does this thing where he's trying to catch his balance. In the live action, it's kind of silly to me. He's like, whoa. There's all those strings. Yeah, and it just looks silly. This, it looks like he's trying to catch his balance. And like there's certain, even some of the lines.

And it's nothing that's Hayden, I think it was the direction of it, where he even when he screams, I hate you. It's like, I hate you. And this, it's like, it really is heartbreaking. And no, I love that scene of Revenza, Seth. I really do. There are moments of it, though, that because of even the, the perfect example for the animated side of it, the droids that are flying around in the live action. Right. Looks like animated stuff happening.

And it kind of, it does, it feels there's this really dramatic moment happening. And there's this like, it almost feels like, oh, they're trying to show you the kid stuff still. Not in this. This is, this is really brutal. It also goes to show that you can recreate something and put it like people who are like, well, they don't need to do that for the Clone War series because they already did it in live action. Yeah, but it adds so much. I think these guys did a fantastic job. I can't believe people can just do stuff like this from their own home and it's better than a lot of what we see from full-on networks and million-dollar productions.

It's so cool. But it looks amazing. Like I would think Star Wars put that out. it looked, they definitely mimicked and were able to replicate exactly what made the Cohn War special. Yeah. You know what it made me think of? I want and I hope, first of all, I hope that they watch the show, this one, because

please do a what-f series. Because Disney's never going to do it. Please do a one-of-Stars. Because, yeah, I want to say, be sick. You know what made me think of it too? Because I always, even with this, I'm always, say, Obi-Won's such a dick. He's like, let his friend burn. Yeah, that, yes.

Cut his head off. Right. And like, and what if they had a scene where he just walks up and he just cuts his head off? I'm sorry, I have to do this. I got to do this. You're dead. And I'm here's, you're burning to death, my God. You're dead.

And then it's, you watch is he, Obi-1 is, especially when you couple it with the Obi-1 series, the most irresponsible and probably worst Jedi of all time. He has a chance to kill this guy twice. First time he doesn't do, he lets the guy burn, thinks he's just, going to die. Doesn't let it happen. He's like, oops, I guess he lived. Then he's got the guy dead to rights in the new series. Then my real friend, then my friend is dead and walks away again. What are you doing?

That's my friend to say. Yeah, it is an interesting choice because I think him yelling, I hate you, is very effective. But it's also like that usually when you do a fake a supposed a death or the person supposed to think someone's dead, they stopped talking. Right. He was clearly alive. He's still, ah, he's like, he'll burn to death. He's trying to survive. I loved you.

Oh, you did? Then put a lightsaber in my head. Yeah, drop my head off. Yeah, if you love me, put me out of my misery instead of letting me burn to death. Actually kill me. Yeah, right. And he doesn't. It's savage.

It is. And then he doesn't do it again. At the end, he just lets him suffer again. He's like, I got you dead again. Now I'm going to let you kid do it this time. It's like, it's, it's, it. The Obi-1 characters is, I love him, but he's flawed to hell. And he is.

He is not a good Jedi. People are like, oh, he's one of the best. He is not. He has made some, the war could have been over four times with this guy. Yeah. Yeah. He loves Anakin. That's why I go back to that Obi-Wan series, and it's like one, in the same way that I think that the Asoka, that moment was Sabine, where she uses the force.

Okay, fine, fine. She uses the force. And then five minutes later, she's chucking Ezra off to the side. Oh, yeah. Now I can, I'm confident enough that I can use the force and do this after learning it five minutes ago as opposed to Ezra going, now I trust you. Throw me. And she's like, no, I can't. I just learned how to do this.

Right. I trust you. And then she does it? Okay. Little tweaks in the same way with the Obi-Wan series when, I'm invader at the end. And he's like, this time I got to take him out. I had him last time. And have that flash.

I was just like, I should have taken him out. And then you're almost like making amends for the fact that he left him there to burn. I did this last time. I can. He goes to swing and a bunch of ships come in, you know, tie fighters and start blasting through and he's got to take off. Right, right. That quick.

That's true. Then there's a reason behind. He's like, you can still say, well, then my friend is dead and pick up the saber and go to take him out. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like little things like that. He walks away. It's like, what are he doing?

Yeah. Irresponsible. He doesn't want to see it. It's his homie. Not anymore. He just told him it isn't. But literally is saying you're not. my homie anymore.

But I'm still going to let you live. I loved you past tense. I saw you kill a whole bunch of people. I was sitting back and I watched you murder and swatter a whole bunch of villagers. I want you to do that again. Right. For the next like, you know, 10 years. Yeah.

Just let your rain. I'm going to train your kid. Even though I'm training this one right now, I'm going to forget about her completely, even though we have more of a bond than me and this kid, this other kid. I'm going to train her even though she's running around the woods like Benny Hill. And then I'm going to go. I'm going to go and I'm going to train him later. Forget about her.

Just forget about it. Maybe if he brings me a message from her, I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I kind of remember her. Stupid writing. That writing on that show is abysmal. It is like they use, they, I think they take for granted that Ewan McGregor is one of the best actors. Yeah. And so they're like, we just need O.B. to be the greatest plot device of Star Wars.

But it goes back and then we can transition into this new movie. But it's like, it's this, here you go, eat this Star Wars chance. Right. But they're not going to, we're not doing that anymore. And it's clearly. goes back, this goes into this story that just came out today. So this is Dark Horizons. The new Jedi Order is going to be very special, says,

director of the film. From the moment it seems a new, from the moment it seems the next Star Wars film to make it to cinemas will be that of new Jedi Order. The film set roughly 15 years after the events of the Rise of Skywalker. Pakistani Canadian filmmaker Charmine Aboy Chinoi, who did Ms. Marvel, is helming the project, which will see Daisy Ridley returned to the role of Ray in a movie being penned by Peaky Blinders creator Stephen Knight.

The story sees Ray assuming the role of a mentor to some promising young students. The filming was originally rumored to begin in April next year at Pinewood Studios in the United Kingdom before strike-related delays pushed back the start date. Obey Chinoi recently appeared on CNN and was asked about the movie and she said, I'm very thrilled about the project because I feel we're about to create is something very special. and we're in 2024 now and it's about time that we had a woman come forward to shape a story in a galaxy far, far away. That confirms that despite the setbacks, the project isn't hitting any serious issues, and that Obed Chanoi is still very much working on the project.

The project will mark the first time that a woman has directed a Star Wars movie, not including the seemingly scrapped Rogue Squadron, which Patty Jenkins was slated to helm. Ridley stated back in November that she knew the storyline for the film but was waiting to read a script. it is slated for May 22nd, 2006. Okay, so there's a lot here, and I talked to stuff about this before we went on the air. I like her a lot as a director.

Me too. I really do, and I like what she did as Ms. Marvel, and I love Stephen Knight and what he's... Yeah, I think that's a good pairing. Great pairing. I think that it goes back to the PR problem at Lucasfilm. I think there's a PR problem. I think that you have to,

because even there's so much inside of that statement that I think is necessary to happen. I think it's fantastic that it is happening. There's a lot of great in that statement. There's a lot of stuff inside of that statement that was not well thought up. The first is the first woman to craft a Star Wars story. She didn't say director.

She said, first woman to craft a Star Wars or the Star Wars universe or the exact quote was, we're in 2024 now and it's about time that we had a woman come forward to shape a story in a galaxy far, far away. Kathleen Kennedy has been shaping stories since 2012 for Lucasville. Right. You know, there are, I mean, Deborah Chow has shaped a story in a galaxy far, far away. Bryce Dallas Howard has shaped a story in a galaxy far, far away.

So the intent was the first female director, who was directing, which should have happened a while ago, was going to happen, of a movie. It's like you've got, with the way that the internet will pick apart everything you say, you have to have a PR person say, nail this, do that. And so we're like, well, no, she shouldn't have to. Yes, you should. And the reason why this isn't politics. This isn't, I'm on CNN, so I'm going to say this per thing because we're going to get our votes from our party and our party's going to do this. Who gives a shit what that party says? That's what happens in politics a lot of times, even though maybe it shouldn't, but that's what happens.

in movies, you've got to still understand we're in a business here. Right. We're in a business. So is it very important that a woman is directing Star Wars? Yes. Is she a great storyteller? Yes.

Is Stephen Knight a fantastic writer? And is this going to be, if they do this movie right, could it redeem a lot of the things that went wrong with the original trilogy, the last trilogy? Yes. But show me on the screen. Show me on the screen what you're going to do because I believe you're going to do it.

Show me on the screen. Don't say that stuff up top. say like because you know how touchy right now people are because people are waiting for you to say things so they can make hate videos and make these things and it's going to hurt your product they go well let them let them go out there and scream and make their videos there is a very strong portion that is getting tired of certain things that are being said as far as whether they call it agenda or they call it because there is forced to stuff sometimes I don't think this is it I think this is important I think she was she could be the right person for the job I haven't seen a movie yet

but you got to be careful inside of these things because there are still people waiting for this franchise to fail. And if they say, I'm not going to see this because this person's saying this now. It's more Disney pushing this, more Disney pushing that. Show me on the fucking screen. That's all I'm saying because if she crushes it first, if she crushes it and it's a great movie and all these new characters just come in and people like, oh, I can't really, the hell can I say about that? It's really doing well. The box office.

It's an awesome movie. I can put my hate out there, but it's doing really, really well. And then she comes out and she goes, I am glad that I'm the first female director to put this movie out to do this. We made these choices. We feature these strong people. We did this. We did that after you have the receipts of the success of it. You got to be, you have to.

We live in an era now where you have to be conscious of this stuff. Yeah. It's not left versus right in movies. And it shouldn't be. Right. Because if it is, you're going to lose business. Right. Well, also, it's like, unless that's what the movie is about, if it is about, and I know there's under, of course, underlying politics and theory in Star Wars. That's what it is. But it's not for votes like you were saying. It's a movie, it's entertainment. It's about telling a story. Yeah, I think it's, they have definitely a PR problem. It is interesting that she led with this. And because I do think that she has the stats that can back this. And she, every, I loved her work in Miss Marvel.

Miss Marvel is probably my favorite Marvel series in a while. I still like, very well developed. Yeah, I still like the Wanda Vision the best and Locke, Tard Loki season two is so good. But Miss Marvel is up there. It really, really warmed my heart. And what I was saying with the pairing with the Pee Blinders writer,

I think that's perfect for that tone that I want them to go with. But it's interesting because I think that we're past this point of announcing. ourselves and we should just show it because there are dick wads that are like you know like they saw the black actress playing in percy jackson they're like i'm not going to watch it because she's not the character which is like okay you're just didn't even said anything she didn't say anything just wait till she's on screen 100% great actress you're a jerk and then there's people that i feel like are just getting alienated and i don't necessarily blame them for like the constant need to bring identity politics into everything.

And I think she doesn't need to do that. And that's what it is. And I'll make it clear with it. I don't think there was necessarily you could read, because people could bounce back on my statement and go, well, I don't think it was such a political statement, what she said. She was just saying that it's a good thing that, you know,

we have a woman shaping it. And the answer to that, yes, it is. She's not the first. Again, her words were not accurate. I know what she was trying to say, but her words were not accurate in the same way that Kathleen Kennedy said that one point, that like we don't have stories in canon.

We don't have books and novels and things like that. And what she was saying was that it wasn't created from that. It wasn't, George didn't create it from novels and books and video games. He created as a way Harry Potter was created from novels. Right. It was, but the statement wasn't made correctly. And there's a tons of people who do that shit. I mean, James Gunn said it about whether it was a flash or other things.

People say this stuff all the time and you got to be careful of what you say because of where we are the social media aspect of it and we cling to it right so no it wasn't necessarily like this is what it's going to be it's going to be a full you know on men is bad and this and that no she doesn't say any of that but she when she's out there saying what instead of saying you know this is going to be the first craft of this and this and that and this and that just say we're very excited to do this movie i can't wait i'm absolutely say that what you know the fact that she was the first female director you should wear that as a badge you absolutely

should wear that as a badge because if and I believe that's what she was saying I agree with the statement it it's been a they haven't had one woman director I always thought Catherine Bigelow at one point I was against the Catherine Bigelow idea of her doing it because as much as I love Zero Dark 30 and I think at the time I said I just don't know if she's going to care enough about it but she's such a at Zero Dark 30 is such a good movie you give her a Sturm, then you look at, she, the Tony Gilroy of it all also makes me go, Catherine

Bigelow would have been a fantastic director to do this. Right. So it could happen a long time ago. But, like, as you said, as I said earlier, show me on the screen. Yeah. Just show me on the screen and that way to shove it in their faces. You've got such a good team and you can make this in developing the characters, whether you do, like, I'm excited for her movie.

Right. I'm excited to see what she's going to do. but like you can't because right now Disney's in a spot where they have to appease it they're a they're a they're a mass audience company they're a mass whether they whether whatever their politics are as a company they're a mass audience company so you have to you have to appease the mass audience and the mass audience does not share everyone's point of views and as you said right or wrong. People get tired of particular pushes.

Right. It's not even about what I necessarily agree with. Obviously, I think it's awesome that we're having a woman director. Of course it is. Of course it's about time. But there's also people, like, you know, Deborah Trowell has some of our favorite episodes written in or directed. And she's amazing. Bryce Dallas Howard, the same thing.

And I think that we, it's not about right or wrong. It's about, like, I just want people to shut up about it. And for the same reason, and the fans, I want them to shut up about like, oh, Ray was a Mary Sue, like, whatever. And like, you're using this character that has that still hatred towards it. And now you're adding to that. It's just not a smart business move, is what I'm saying. Right. And that's what it comes down to is if you're Disney, you want to try, especially if your Lucas film, you want to try to get it back in the way that the Manalorian did.

Mandalorian's got a lot of diversity. The Mandalorian has a lot of, and non-forced. Yeah. It's, I mean, shit, man, Pedro Pascall, the lead. You've got, as you mentioned, Deborah Chow directed a ton of the episodes. Boca Tan. I mean, there's tons, but in the first, like, season that came in, it felt it was this thing that kind of united.

Yeah, but it united the fan base. It united them in a way that it was like, oh, you have this kind of original trilogy, you kind of feel to it. It blends in elements of the prequels that people love than it has. And it's just telling Star Wars stories. And that's the thing that they're trying to capture again. And that's what works.

And you can do everything inside of this. You can do everything and make it really work. Because as you said, like the rate, people are looking, people are going to bitch no matter what. Right. Even if you make a good movie, there are going to be those people. Yeah, of course.

And now especially, now especially, because that's what, that's ultimately where I'm coming from. here. This movie is, because Star Wars needs a win, especially with movies. It needs a win. I, of course, I want this movie to be the best movie since Empire. Yeah. I want every movie to be good. I want every Star Wars movie to be good. If you're Star Wars fan, you want it to be good. Like, you don't want it. Like, even if you hated these statements, if you hated them, like, hate and you're a Star Wars fan, you still want the movie to be good if you're a Star Wars fan. Because you can say, because most people that do the hate videos, they want it to be bad and they want to

to be able to because that's how they're going to sell their videos, right? But if you're a real Star Wars fan, what you want to do is because if a movie stinks, then you're going to say movie stinks. You can't be the everything is awesome crew and you can't do, yeah, that's the best movie ever. It's like, the movie has problems. Stinks. But if it's awesome and it really is good, you got to be able to say, look at that. They finally did it.

They made the, like, in the same way than the Malorian season one did. You're like, whoa, they made it. They did it. It's still possible. And I think, and I know that there's a lot of people that feel the exact opposite of me and think that Star Wars is in fine shape and think, and love all the stuff that they're doing. And that's fine. I'm not one of those people. But I do think that this, if you just put out the movie, now people are going to be waiting for this thing to be bad.

A portion. A portion. Yeah. Or are going to be waiting for this to be bad. And it's not fair to anyone involved. It's not fair to her. It's not fair to Daisy Ridley. I mean, but what they're going to say is, oh,

we knew this was going to happen. They were just going to hate anyway. And it's not just that. You're trying to sell a movie. And you want to make a billion dollars. This is not the way to go about it. Yeah. They need the PR team is what they need to.

You totally need a PR team. Because I feel like they said, make sure you mention that you're the first. But first female director. That again, badge of honor. And it should be. And then let people bitch about that. Of course, she's saying she's the first female director.

Yeah, because she is. She is. That's the badge of honor. But as I said, you're going to pick apart. Those same people are going to go, oh, she says she's the first female ever craft a story. Wait a minute. I guess you're saying Kathleen Kennedy didn't do shit, huh? You're saying it too.

You're giving them ammo. Right. You're giving them ammo. Right. So I don't know. I think that we could all be, maybe we're just blowing hot air over here. What do you guys think? Do you think that this is like, is it something that will affect the box office?

is it not very curious to hear what you guys think? Because it does play into like, we're just like Rachel Ziegler. Same type of thing, right? I like Rachel Ziegler as an actress. I love her. And I don't give a shit when people, if you say that,

if you say that, oh, you like what she says, didn't say that. Said, like her as an actress. Same thing. There's certain times that people, like, and I stand by the fact that Twitter, you just say whatever you want on Twitter. It doesn't mean that everyone's going to agree with you.

Doesn't mean sometimes that you should. But when I saw something recently about musicians, musicians who were talking politics and they shouldn't talk politics and they shouldn't do this and they shouldn't do that. If you're following me, well, first of all, with musicians, I mean, Bob Dylan, I mean, a bunch of people have been singing about politics for a year. Of course. Musicians have always been singing about politics. And this one particular reporters are writing their music.

Right. And inside of that, and it's always been. So music, I don't agree with them, people are going, well, you shouldn't talk politics. And you shouldn't sing about politics. What are you talking about? What are you talking about, like, rage against machines? It's all rage against machines. Yeah. Was.

But if you follow, if it's an actress who you follow, or you watch, I should say, in Marvel. And you're not watching her or his shows for political opinions. And then you start following them on Twitter. And they start tweeting about politics. And then you write, I don't follow you on, Twitter for your politics. I follow you because I want to hear you talk about Marvel. Well, fuck you. Right. It's their personal page. That's where they're allowed to do it. Whether you agree with the

stuff they're saying or not. So with Rachel Zegler, the problem is that interview that she gave about the Snow White thing, it was on D23 press line, right? That is connected to the movie itself and people are excited about Snow White. And there are certain things that she said in the Snow White stuff that I don't agree with. Somebody wrote back and like, well, no, it is. dated. Dated in regards to 1937 or 39 whenever it came out as opposed to now, yes. But the idea of true love is not dated. And I think that also there was someone on TikTok who wrote back and said that there are

some women, because she said, like, today Snow White will be a leader. Snowlight will be this. And she said, not all women want to be leaders. A lot of do. Not all do. Not all men want to be leaders. and so to And shouldn't

Bozai Absolutely There are a lot of leaders out there Men are women No no no no no Let's go What if they were not a leader Right right

So I don't know It's just a It's a tricky thing Because you look at And the reason I bring snow might up Is because they push it all the way Into 2025 Because they were supposed to come out

I think like March That movie would have would have done Very poorly And it might still Next to Dune yeah Next to Dune yeah Next to Dune but also still people remember for a select amount of time.

Now, the question when 2025 comes out, because of the Internet, do people start resurfacing the interview again? Do they start surfacing the stuff with her? And does it hurt the box office by the time it comes out? I don't know. But it just, as you mentioned, you have to understand that this is a business. It's a business. And you've got to be careful of what you say,

because you can cost the studio millions, billions of dollars. Right. The part that I didn't watch the full interview with her, but from what I've heard about it, what's the, I agree, because we've been talking about, you have to be smart about what you're saying. But I also am like, she didn't write this script, so she is going off the story that she was given,

which don't you think you would be reping that? It's sure. I feel like she kind of fell into a trap. you could rep it, but it's also, it wasn't just that. It was almost like the reason that there was such a pushback on her statements was that it almost, it was, whether she was intended or not, it was kind of targeted at people, if you did like that movie, then there's something wrong. The prince is a stalker. You know, true love is not a good thing. She doesn't need to find love.

And it's like, oh, well, am I wrong for liking that movie? That's what a lot of people felt. And that's what it was. It was almost like this kind of vitriol for the, for the original, and the original, the son or grandson of the creator of the original or whatever might have been, he was, he just said, totally said this comments are horrendous. And like, and there was rumors that Disney had a talking to her. It's a different thing when you say, look, we love, like, the same thing we're just talking about with this statement.

Love the original. It did so much for Disney back in the day. There were a couple things that we thought that maybe don't line up with the times today, but we really are excited to have our original version of it where, you know, Snow White is, in this version, she's going to be, you know, this or she's going to be this. And I can't wait because, again, don't throw shade at the old one because you've got fans from the old ones. You're kind of, you're taking those fans and you're pushing them to the side. That's the type of stuff.

There are ways. Again, PR. Don't, the number one rule, no matter what you do, don't shit on the original. Yeah. Say some nice things about the original. Of course. So it's like, and, you know, but I also don't believe in throw someone over it. Because there is this political kind of war going on that with movie, in general,

but then it is blended into movies. The second you do something like that, now you are public enemy number one, at least for a little while, to the side that hates you in general. And now you've given a memo and you're never going to get back on the, their good side, no matter what. I don't think that's fair. On both sides, I don't think that's fair. I think there are things that you can say sometimes.

She's also really young. She's young. She's like 24 years old or whatever she is, too. But the same thing for her is that she's playing, I thought she was very good in Hunger Games. I loved her. I thought she was great in Hunger Games. Me too.

And I loved her in West Side Story. Yes. I don't think her comments were great, but I'm not going to boycott her movies. Right. You know, it's like the same thing, there are people that sometimes, look, there are tons of people that make stupid statements that I have seen and I'm going,

I don't know if I'd really like that person if I talked to them, but that performance was damn good and I believe that character was that person. I can separate. Not everybody can separate, but I can separate. Well, yeah, especially when you're not saying something like completely foul that, like questions or hurt someone's entire existence. Then it's like then we're just talking about opinions and I'm not, I am so against the she didn't say, he didn't say,

exactly what I wanted them to say. Therefore, I hate you. That's crazy. It's crazy. Like, there are people now that are legit going to boycott the Star Wars movie who love Star Wars. Right. We're going to boycott it because of those comments. I don't think the comments were thought out well.

Of course I'm going to see the movie. Of course. I wanted to be good. I wanted to be good. I wanted to start a new, because Dave Filoni again is apparently the head of the creative. I want him to succeed with his first movie coming out. I want Lucasfilm to succeed. for this to come out. I want Star Wars to continue. I want it to be like, oh, people are excited about Star Wars again.

Of course. I don't care about statements I don't necessarily agree with or think that they should have been, I shouldn't say I don't agree with it because I do agree with the intent of what she was trying to say. I don't agree in the presentation of the way that it was brought up. But it doesn't mean I'm not going to see the movie. Yeah. You know, if I was, you know, it's just like you have to, you got to understand in general that I know, I understand this is where the politics really hurts business in general because you're, you know, you know, this is where the politics really hurts business in general because you. you're going to say, well, we don't care what those people think. We don't care what they think. We don't care what they think. Well, who are you trying to sell tickets to? Why are you spending $200 million?

Then don't spend $200 million. Spend way less. If you're just going to go after one audience, then do one. And that doesn't mean don't cast who you're going to cast. Just make a good movie. Right. Cast who you're going to cast and make it a good movie? I don't give a shit.

I don't care who's in it. Just make it a good movie and don't make it forced. If it fits, it fits. Same thing with John Boyega got such bullshit when he was cast because he was a black stormtrooper. How the fuck do you know that there weren't black stormtroopers? Dumb. He's one of the best actors right now. Yeah, because those were dummies.

Just dumb. Yeah, those were dummies who were like, well, the clones weren't black. Well, they weren't clones dumb. Right. They were regular people. Right. And he got clones. Yeah.

And so he gets cast and people like, oh, they just want to put a black person. sending in there. Dumb. The guy was a fantastic actor. Attack the Block. Ruin they ruined his character in the writing, but that wasn't his fault. Finn was absolutely just... Oh, I thought you might in Attack the Block. I was like, Attack the Block. I was like, No, no, no, no. Attack the Block. Rock.

In Star Wars. Right, right, right, right. Rewened him. He had an arc, and then they set him right back, and then like, oh, we'll give him the Force. But that's my favorite, my favorite. We laugh about it all the time. Ray, got a secret. What's the secret? I'll tell you later. What's he going to tell him in this

movie finally? Man. Please let him tell him in this movie. Right. Please. 15 years later. Yes. What is it?

And hopefully he, I don't think he'll come back. He's going to be in it. If he was a Jedi. I bet you he's in a movie. Make him a Jedi. Give us some sort of win. But I'm with you and it's interesting because I was talking about this with my mom. She was like, it's so weird that they're like, oh, all of this first, first,

first. But in the 90s, all we watched was black family sitcoms. Really, that was my family's favorite shows. Family Matters. Family Matters, Martin, Moisha, sister, sister, that's so Raven, like so many. It was a different world past your time? What? Different world, was that past your time?

Yeah, past my time. But I think there's, like, Taraji P. Henson brings up great problems in equity and actual money that I think is still really messed up for minorities and women. But I do think in terms of like representation, although there's not everything we want, there has been like some key, key people in my life at least. A major change. That have always been people of color. And so I think that we should just show it now. Yes.

And just do the thing. Well, because that's a great point. Because the thing is for a while it was like no one was even trying to try diversity. No one was even trying. Right. Right. in major blockbuster. No one was ever,

no, there was, you go back and you look, no one was trying. And that's clearly not the case now. And as you say, just if you put good stuff out, people will,

they have to shut their mouths. They have to shut their mouths. But if you continue to do certain things and your box office sucks because of it, you give an ammo. You're given ammo. So there's a lot, there's a lot of times that sometimes it's,

it works, there's a lot of times that you just just show up and do the work because these are these are people that are very talented like i'm telling you miss marvel people like well that show didn't do very well that also that goes back to the first part of it people didn't want to see it because they automatically they see a family of color they see i don't know i'm not going to be interested i saw this trailer and i said more so i think this might be for my daughter i'm going to watch it with her and i didn't watch one episode with my daughter i watched the whole thing by myself because i was so locked into the family and it was inviting. The show was inviting. I felt like I wanted

to be eating the food with the family. I wanted to learn about the culture. I didn't care about the superhero stuff. And that's a testament to her. And that's why I'm hopeful about this. Because I'm hopeful that she, like, Godzilla minus one. We both love it.

Because you cared about the characters. Make me care. And with Stephen Knight, make me care. And you will. So you don't need to say certain things on any program, much less. And being on, you know, CNN will also, you know, it seems like a political.

As soon as you said that I was like, that's interesting that that's her major interview. And it could be me not looking hard enough, but of all the interviews she could have done. I'm sure she did other ones, but to make the statement there. It's funny. Yeah.

Yeah, that's very political. Yeah, that's the thing. You're making a statement on a political network, and it's automatically going to be taken on political, whether you meant it as political or not. So, so much already. The movie hasn't even come out. That's the last point I'll be make about this.

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I agree with this 100% where I think this is nothing but scheduling problems. I think that's that. I mean, some people are like, oh, he knows Marvel stinks now, so he dropped. Marvel's still a big paycheck. Marvel's still a big paycheck. Yeah. And if Thunderbolts can be the turnaround for them, why wouldn't you be part of it? But I totally agree with them.

He's in demand. Yeah, I love him. And he's going to be in a Bong Joon Ho film, and the last major Bong Joon film won the Oscar. So I think that that's a big thing for him. But I saw a lot of comments that were like he probably read the backlash on people not happy with his casting. And it's like, I don't think he cares. Maybe he does because people are hateful and rude. But yeah, I don't think he's missing out on a Marvel paycheck if it's any.

anything but scheduling in. Stinky Farts, 83 said he shouldn't be in this, so I'm out. Yeah, so he's not going to do it because you're riding from your basement. Like, that's crazy. Crazy. But I do hope he's in something Marvel eventually. It gives him a chance to do some more stuff for sure. Like, you know, and it's, it also opens up.

Like, he's someone I would love to see in Star Wars. I'd love to see him in that Ray movie. He would be great in Star Wars. So maybe it opens a door for something like that. Yeah. And so that's like, To me, depending on what the role is, I'd love to see him cross over and because he's got a relationship clearly with them. Right.

So, yeah, I don't think this is anything except scheduling. Yeah. I really think that that was it. I'm curious to see what else is going to happen. What do you guys think, though? Do you think that this is something else? Do you think he was like, no, Marvel is just on a decline? I'm out, which I don't think a lot of people are going to think.

But, hey, who knows? What do you think? If so, state your case. All right, let's do two more. All right. Jordan Peel thinks that his next movie is going to be his favorite movie, Dark Horizons. Get Out, Us. Nope, filmmaker.

Jordan Peel says that his upcoming and currently untitled fourth directorial effort could well become his favorite film to date. The project was previously dated for Christmas Day, 2024, but it's been removed from the release calendar due to the strikes, and it's not currently clear when it's going to be released. Peel was on Conan O'Brien, the podcast, and he said, I do feel like my project is clear to me, my next one, and I'm psyched that I have another film that could be my favorite movie if I make it right.

Peel added that the 20, Peel added that 2023 was an interesting year for him as he was stuck in a state of listening due to the six-month double strike. The film was one of two movies from his Monkey Paul Productions label that were quietly pulled from the slate on Christmas Day. The other is a horror film that he's only producing, which was slated for late September. So do I think that when you're promoting anything, you should say that it's going to be your favorite and then it's going to be the best? Of course. But do I believe him? I do.

I think that he's going to be, I said something, people, God, people sometimes, it's like right out there. They don't understand what you're saying. What I said was there are, the movie star is gone. The movie star that sells tickets is gone. Yeah. very few, like, name a movie star that you think just from their name alone could get people into the theater. Right.

Yeah, because it's not. Doesn't happen anymore. Brad Pitt can't, George Clooney can't do it anymore. It used to be Will Smith. He can do it. Tom Cruise, his IP can do it, but the movie, Mission Impossible didn't do tons of money. So there are no movie stars. People of The Rock.

Rock's a lot of movies that are Black Adam, you know, that they're just not. So there's tons of movie star, like the idea of a movie star, right? Like you see them, you're like, oh, that's a movie. Like, Tom Cruise is a movie star. Or like Margo Robbie, but I didn't watch Babylon. But she's a movie star, but she doesn't sell the movie. Right. She helps the movie, but she doesn't sell, like, you're not just going there because

it's a Margo Robbie movie. That's how it used to be. Oh, there's a new Tom Cruise movie. Let's go see it. What is it? No, I don't know. We'll find out when we get there. that used to happen all the time.

It just doesn't happen. I bring that up because directors, they do that now. Christopher Nolan definitely does that. Scorsese still brings people, brings curiosity, but when you make a $200 million movie, three hours and 45 minutes, you're going to have a loss in the theater. There's just no doubt about it.

Right, and it's always dark content. Yeah, but he still gets people under, Tarantino, right? I think that Greta Gerwig's going to start doing that for sure. Jordan Peel is one that I put in there. And people are like, how could you put them in the same rankings as Scorsese? I'm like, because I'm saying his movies are event films. Yeah. When you hear, it's like the way that Shaman used to be.

When Shaman used to have a movie, you're like, oh, Shamaon, what's it about? I don't know. We'll find out what the twist is. Same thing, Jordan Peel. What's nope about? I don't know. It could be aliens. I don't know.

see it. It's a Jordan Peel movie. That is what I'm talking about. So he's in that position that when he's a, I'm pretty excited. He's, he's in his prime right now. He's making movies that are that are exciting to him. And he's thinking about that he's, he's got that thing. So I believe him. I don't, why else we, why we? Right. He doesn't have a flop to me. No, I didn't love, if I was going to rank it, I would rank, get out, number one, us, and then nope. Yeah, that's my ranking too. Yeah. But I obviously, Get-out's one of the best movies ever to me.

Us, I loved. I liked it more on the second watch. Yeah. Yeah, it's Lupita Nyungo just is, it's crazy. And I really had a fun time with Nob. And it wasn't, it was good to me. It just wasn't, it wasn't Get Out or us, but it was still really great to me. It wasn't by any means of flop.

I enjoyed myself. No, it wasn't a flop. I think that's another one I might have to revisit. I've only seen it once, but I remember leaving underwhelmed. Yeah. So I do, speaking to Stephen You, right? Yeah. He was good in that movie.

Yeah, he was. But it didn't take away, going off of what you're saying, I didn't leave that theater going, oh, Jordan Peel. Right. One hit or two hit Wonder. I don't want to see him anymore. Okay, just didn't. A favorite band of yours has a couple great songs and one that's just, okay, it's fine. Yeah.

What's the next one? Yeah. And it seemed to look at, look at Nolan. We just mentioned Nolan. Oppenheimer. Do you watch the Oppenheimer yet? Do you love it? I liked it.

I thought it was very interesting. Okay. I loved it. Way more than I liked Tenant. Oh my gosh, of course. You know how I feel about Tenant. Tenant. How many times have you seen Tenant?

I can't do it. I know, I know. I saw it three times. Did you watch it with subtitles? No, maybe I should. I can't. I told you it's like opening an empty box. Yeah, if you do.

Like the most. greatly wrapped box and it's empty. It's, it's, it's, you got to watch it with subtitles, but I get it if you can't go back to it. But Interstellar won a movie very similar to how I felt like with, uh, with us. Interstellar first time I saw it. I'm like, I don't know if I love that. Now I love it. Yes.

I love it. Like I'm back and watch that movie. I want to watch it again. Music's so good. Like it's just really well done. It is. And his just attention to detail, everything about it. But what's your favorite Nolan movie, by the way?

it's probably dark night mine's inception it's so good inception's got to be probably my second yeah it is that movie to me changed movies for me because i couldn't it was the first movie where i was like what the hell i couldn't believe that someone thought of that and then executed it like that and really paid attention his all his stuff is like stuff that is like if you look at science if you look at dreams if you look at things that it's all stuff that comes from like theories and things and the way that he really puts in detail overall. That's what I liked about Oppenheimer. Right. Because as a Japanese girl, obviously, it's like you're, when I heard about it, I was like, what the hell is he doing making a movie about this and like selling tickets about it?

But the way he did it was, I thought, really genius in how he chose to execute it. I agree. And that's why I'm, and I'm curious that, you know, How did you feel about the fact that they didn't show the bomb? I thought that was, I thought that would have been more, first of all, harder to do in a way that it's like, as you said, you watch that going, what are you doing? You don't, like, you don't know the pain. You don't know, like, and he chose not to show it, but he showed it through Oppenheimer's, you know, decision to do that and realize that the destroyer. worlds he had become.

Right. Like that was to me, that that's what I got out of, but I'm curious as someone from Japanese to send me. Yeah, I think that that I don't, I would have, I don't think I would have liked if they did that

because to me he was really showing that obviously he knew what the price could be. But that's not what this, the bomb wasn't, he didn't make this intended for Japan. Right. And that's, and there are so many lines in it there that one of the scientists said,

I don't want the culmination of three centuries of physics to be made to destroy the world. And things like that that I think pay a lot of respect. And then you see this man is, his life sucks. Oh, yeah. I mean, he's living in the depression of what he did and all of these scientists did. But it was going to happen regardless. Burdened by glorious purpose. And I think it really showed that it was the U.S. government being kind of a jerk, like, assholes the entire time.

We need to show our power. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it was. showing the power and then like using his communist ties against him. Especially back then when that when that was happening like even before the war, during the war, like yeah, it was all of it. It's crazy. It was like just because he thinks people should be free thinking doesn't mean that he's going to go send aid to Russia.

Right. Yeah. No. Yeah. So I thought it was, I thought it was well executed for what I was very afraid to watch. Yeah. Well, look, covered a lot of stuff here today. But make sure that you guys are very curious what you think about Jordan Peel's next.

movie are you on board with it? Do you want to see it? You're excited. You like him as a filmmaker. And Nolan, same thing. What's your favorite Nolan movie? Throw that in the comment section. One last bone to pick with you, which really isn't a bone, but it is. Okay. Your pictures on Instagram when it comes to your Christmas dinners. Yes. I hate that I've never been invited and I understand why. Every time I see you with a picture of that sushi, the sushi. I wish that I could walk through pictures. Right. And Just wait until everyone's backwards, grab it, run back in.

It's the best holiday ever for my family. You should come. You guys are invited. No one needs to be invited in my family. I'll come myself. Because what you understand is, like, I don't love turkey. Okay.

So Christmas this year, we don't normally do turkey. We use turkey on a roast. We do, the only time I really smoked turkey I like, but we did, We usually do, my wife makes a brisket on Christmas. Oh, okay, that's nice. That's great.

On Christmas Eve is my favorite. It's baked ziti and baked chicken. Okay, that's amazing. Yeah, but she couldn't do it this year because she had acid reflons. And so she couldn't eat it. So I was like, I don't want to, yeah, thanks for making everything. What are you eating? Oh, my gosh.

Salad without dressing? So we had to do, we had, we had, the food was good. Shepherd's pie, we had something else. We were just delicious. My wife's a phenomenal cook. But I was bummed because I was looking forward to that. An Italian Christmas. And then I see this picture of this sushi.

Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. And I'm like, no, don't be sorry because I just stared at it for like. Yeah. It's the best sushi. In the way that Brett scrolls up and finds like, we call it, we call his, Roxy checked his thing. He's like, we look at his Instagram. Then we're looking, he looks at filth.

In the way that he looks at filth, I was looking at the sushi. Food. That's your algorithm. Who makes the sushi? It's my favorite. Sometimes I will make it. But when I make it for this many people, I go to my favorite sushi place in San Diego. Which is? It's called Miyazakis.

I think I've heard Miyazakis. Where is it in the? It's in Delmar. Okay. Yeah. Oh, man. It's so good. It looks.

Yeah. It is really amazing. I'm coming over now. Okay. Yeah, you're invited. All right. No, I invited myself. All right.

Thank you guys for joining us here today. Steph Sabron, the Whirlgirls. Doreena has left us, but today's our, or Wednesday's our first episode with Just Mean Roxy. Are you recruiting a new World Girl or is it just going to be the two you guys? Well, the body's still warm, so we're not yet. So it'll just be us. The Stexy channel. It's not out of the question.

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