The Kristian Harloff Show - Will Taika Waititi's Star Wars movie still happen? Should it? | The Sith Council

Episode Date: July 14, 2022

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People are stupid. What's going on, everybody? Not you guys. Talking about a particular person, but that's all right. Someone I know pretty well. So, I hope I... That was a dig at me, wasn't it? I mean, I don't know a lot of talk right now.

I hit the wrong button. So welcome back to Sith Council, everybody. Excited to have you. I'm going to do a lot of things, a lot of things here today, a lot of questions that came in, a lot of good questions that came in, a lot of stuff about Disney Plus, Obi-1 season two. The main topic, as you see,

we're going to get into the discussion of after Thor, Love and Thunder, should we be nervous about Tyca's new movie, Star Wars movie, or should we be excited about it? I think Mike and I actually are going to be on the same page, and I think Steph might be on the other side of it, but we don't know.

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It's Mike. It's Steph. Let's do it. What's up? everybody, welcome back to Big Thing, addition, Sith Council. Happy to have you.

Next to me, Steph Sabra, the Darth. And the three-time, three-time defending. Here he is. Greatest inner-geekedom champion that we've ever seen in the Shmodown. Look at a, you son of a...

Yep. And look at all this stuff he's done. I don't think there's an argument to be made. This is the greatest inner-geekedom player. I agree. And I say that. But you know what I am? You know I am?

And I see us as Sith Council. Sith Council is kind of a good analogy for my IG because it's a team. It's a team that accomplishes a lot and people love seeing us as a team, right? When only one of us is in here, there's just two of us that fans are kind of like, it's not Sith Council. But when the team is here as a team, then it's chef's kiss. It's a sad pitch. Shut your mouth. I hate you so much.

No, you don't. there's going to be a lot of stuff that we talk about in the future that we can't talk about now. Let's talk about Star Wars. Let's talk about Star Wars. There's some stuff. There's not a lot of news going on. Oh, wait, here we go. There's not a news.

You're going to get my nuts again. Why does my back look like? This one of Bateman came in here and everybody who has been hit with this wide shot, not knowing about it, has got the head had shorts on. What's wrong with shorts? We're in California this summer. It's nothing wrong shorts. It's the fact that once you wear shorts, you know, in a wide shot.

You can see your balls. Yeah. Oh my God. It's a kid. It's a kid's show. So anyway. Steph loves them. Is there anything?

That's the shorts. Yeah. I love the khaki shorts. What's wrong with khaki shorts? All right, listen to me. They look right on my ksh shorts. Say it, say your line. Oh, no.

Is there a line? Yeah. Sometimes you suck. That's your thing. That's your line? That's the catchphrase of this show. Sometimes you suck. You're lucky this is a PG show, girl.

You're lucky this is a PG show as he tucks his balls in and shows it to the wine show. You're lucky this is a PG show. Okay, listen. Steps of bra. Stop this. We have a good compliment before this show today, too, and they take it back. A lot of the stuff going on in the news, there's, I mean, a lot, it's, it's, we're gearing up towards Andor, which is the main thing. Oh, the Star Wars news.

I thought you made, like, real news. It's like, oh, yeah. Andor, we're gearing up towards that show. So that's the majority of stuff that's coming out. There's this fan edit of the Obi-Wan thing that I sent you guys. Did you guys watch it? Well, I was going to. Did Smet sent you his?

Well, no, I was driving to Thor when I sent this. I started watching the car. It's going to come down by the time I'm out here. But then by the time I came out, that variety picked it up. Yeah. And then everyone picked it up. Well, Smets has a new. Smets has one also.

Smet has a fan. He's an editor at the, yes. He's an editor. They did a job. And he wrote me. He's like, before you watch that other one, watch my. And I'm like, I'm like, I already started watching the other. I got to cover it.

And there's a lot, and Kevin's a brilliant editor. Yeah, yes. I loved a lot of the stuff that Kevin's cut did, but there's a lot of stuff that Kevin's edit had in there that I... They didn't like.

That I still don't like. Because he's a good guy and he doesn't want to get rid of the people's hard work. No, but there was, no, but he added something I thought that was great. They both cuts put in the original music.

And I actually thought his cut did it better where when Obi-Wan saves Leia, the way that they put the force team in. They both use the force team, but I thought Kevin's cut did it better. I thought that the other cut did the stuff with Riva really well. They just portray her as just this badass inquisitor who just decapitates the Jedi, the Safi Brother Jedi in the beginning.

And what I also liked about that, and again, sorry Kevin, preferably over that Kevin's cut is that in this cut, Obi-Wan, they set him up of what he's been doing on Tatouine, and then he's in the desert and runs across the Jedi first. And the Jedi's like, hey, I recognize you in town. Yeah. And he's, and Obi-Man, said, go bury that thing in the desert and don't get involved. And then when the Inquisitors come in, he's still involved, and he gets decapitated.

They show him decapitated in the damn square in this cut. And I thought it was so effective. Is that like someone created the effect of that? Yeah, I think so. And it worked. It worked well. I mean, it was, Disney would never show anything like that. But the way that they did it, I thought was really good.

Steph, what did you think of the cut? Yeah, I really liked it. It was, it did pick, like, the best parts. The part that, like, was crazy is that every news outlet covered in. It was, like, fixing the awkward pacing issues. And they, and I, I, like, you know, I liked the show overall, but it did fix the issues. Like, there's a lot of scenes that were just unnecessary in hindsight. and when you have a show,

why we like shows better than movies now, a lot of us is that every moment, you're like, oh, thank God we got this extra moment that we wouldn't have gotten into a movie. And this was a reverse, which is a new, like, yeah. Yeah. I'm torn on this whole stuff.

You didn't watch the whole thing. But I don't need to. Oh, okay. I'm just saying overall because anytime, and again, the guy who I went to his Instagram that did this, and this is not the Smets one. And he was like, like hashtag fixed it and stuff. I'm like, he didn't fix anything.

This is the filmmaker's goal of what they wanted to do. So whenever our people, like, and he didn't, like, he made his version. I saw the version of like the one guy's like, the fans like, this guy fixed Cadbane. And the guy that did the edit of switching the Cadbane to look more anyway, was not one of those guys that I hate the way it looks. He was just a great guy like computer stuff. Yeah, you just wanted to make it. The demons know him really well. And so I'm always torn.

I'm like, well, the filmmakers, that's what their goal was with this, like, do you guys watch Star Trek Strange New World? I heard it's good though. It's phenomenal. But it's also storytelling where everyone, every episode is episodic. It's like there's no overarching, oh, they've got 10 episodes to tell this story that they're doing, how are they going to get to it? So it's kind of a throwback to old school TV. I'm enjoying it so much more. We're so used to this content now, Mandalorian, Boba.

Yeah, yeah. Ms. Marvel, where it's like 6, 10 episodes and they're going to tell that story so we know we've only got this time. Right. I feel it almost does a disservice. Do you think we'll ever get a Star Wars show that's episodic? That's not just this is. A mini thing, then it's going to tell us. Oh, and or we know is, I mean, I guess it's still kind of mini-series-ish because it's

Mandalorian is, because Mandalorian is no, they haven't announced an ending. So, Mandelorian right now. Yeah, so, but you're right. Well, the first one was like finding Grogo and putting Groga there. But it's still, but it's still, you don't know where it's going to go. But people are upset with the filler episodes. And those filler episodes are episodic TV. Yeah, I don't love that.

It's not my favorite. Also, and so you're younger than us. So you're of a different generation. Yeah, I like the serialized. storytelling. Yeah. But I do too, and I think the

mandarin has... Some are great. I hear you. I think this is a conversation of whether or not there's, because I agree with you that I think you,

you do put yourself in a position when there's only six episodes, especially if they're only like half an hour, 45 minutes. It's like, you've got to fit so much in. I mean, look at Moon Night. Moon Night's another one where it's like, by the time,

there was so much that they did in episode five that by the time to get the six, it just felt like everything was crammed into one episode. And it's like, because you knew they had to do that because there was only so much time. So I do think that sometimes. that sometimes, and there's another question that comes in later about the Obi-1 series,

about one series, two series. But I thought that, and I also agree with your point, that people shouldn't say, I fixed it, I did this. I made my version of the things that I thought would work and whether or not you think that they, you know, fix certain things. I do. I think that the scene with Leah running through the woods is significantly, Benny Hill, we can talk about a second, hold on it.

But it's significantly better in both cuts. in both Kevin's cut and this cut. And I like this guy's cut because what happens is, and Flea is not just some goofy moron in the whole time. He's just, he's pretty menacing. He's not, he's against the tree. And she comes up and he's like, what's going on? He puts the case over her head.

That's it. That added, whoever did that after our show last week. You know what's funny is that there was one that actually already existed before we even brought it up. Yeah, someone I really thought about it, which is even better. But it just shows you how silly that scene is. Everyone picked up on that scene. So both cuts, both Kevin's cut and this guy's cut did the same thing. They picked up on that.

They put the force music. Kevin did something different than this guy did, which I thought was interesting, was when Obi-1 uses the force to save Leia, that's what wakes up Anakin. Oh, okay. That's when he snaps out of it and goes, Kevin did that.

Kevin did that. And it's like, that's what. snaps him out of the trance and going, oh, that's where he is. He's around, which I thought was interesting as well. But like they both, there was, it's two and a half hours. They cut out a bunch of the crap. They both have Riva eaten it at the end, which I think a lot of people agree with anyway. Not because they don't like the character, not because it's just because that's a better story.

There's too much open ended. Yeah, and they got rid of that. They got rid of all the Luke Owen and Buru stuff. Oh, I like that. You liked the pilot? Yeah, I like that. Yeah, I like that. Yeah.

I mean, it doesn't kind of fit because we never see her again like that ever. That's what I mean. How those stormtroopers take them out. I know. But back then, like. Nine years. I think. I'm like a 50 year old.

I'm going to give them some points. I'm going to give them some points because I'll probably never hear the end of this. But Bibbs makes a good point. Sometimes we think something is like, it's cool. It's like, oh, it's cool. But it really doesn't fit the story. But we think it's cool so we like it. Yeah.

Yeah, that moment was incredibly cool and got all the things like, like, oh, I'm a brew stand now because what she did and brew with all the memes. Oh, yeah, that's aggressive. It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit. I agree with him too. I agree with him as well. I would say my favorite part about the fan edit, though.

I haven't seen Smets yet. I will watch that. But it's that they extended the old Darth Vader Anakin scenes. Like, they just made a little more, like, not that much. Just like a few seconds more of Anakin's face or more flashbacks. And to me, it's like when you're talking about a person who was a Jedi Knight and his best friend and brother turned to the dark side, you have serious PTSD.

And they only showed one seat, like maybe two scenes, I think, in the show where he's having like PTSD and like connecting with him. And I think that that should have, like I liked how the fan edit did that more. Well, it's funny because everyone, and there's a question. Quiet, there's a question that comes in later. There's a question that comes in later about

do I still think that this should be a TV show as opposed to a movie because this is a two and a half hour movie that works. Yeah. No, this, I still stand by TV. Because my thing, because all this shows, this fan edit, even though it's put together in a great two and a half hour presentation, it was the pacing and the cut and the difference of how they told the story inside.

You could have still done that and shot different things inside of that. Each, let's say, there's four or five, made it a four episode mini series or five episode miniseries as opposed to six. But you could do all that stuff. Like with a different B plot. But do you think? No, but different B plot, but even the way that they did it inside. out of this fan edit cut.

Like, if they would have put certain episodes as half an hour and ended differently on, it's the pacing of it and certain moments that were cut that were silly that didn't need to be made. Like, again, that's the scene with her running around in the woods. It's like that, when you're watching that episode, a half an hour episode, and that happens, it takes the air out of it and you go, well, that didn't feel really good. But if you're watching the same episode and he puts the thing overhead, and it's like, oh, what's next?

It's like it's, it's not the fact that it's TV versus movie. It's the fact that it's the way that it's being presented. And it's just that you're watching it and from the comfort of your own house going, oh, no, that just felt bad. And you take that into the next scene because you just have this bad taste in your mouth as opposed to being on the edge of your seat on, well, who took her? What happened? And then you want to get to the next scene.

It's like these little things that people don't understand like subconsciously as you're watching. So no, I still stand by TV because Mandalorian, clearly for two seasons has proven TV works. I think the choices on both BobaFed and Canobi, for the most part, there are a lot of stuff that I just think weren't handled great. And Boba Fett, how many different directors did it have, four or three? Let's see. Robert Rodriguez did a lot of them.

There was the- Bryce Dallas Howard. Yes. And then-Feloni. Did Rick, who me? No, he didn't do. There was a guy to do the Mortal Kombat. Oh, yeah. And then-

And then who's the woman who did episode two or three? Oh, she was really good. It was like Karen Grace or it was like two simple words. So she was, but she was really good. Yeah. She was really good. But I think that, yeah, that that was just the series again. I think Boba Fett fell into the same problem as like solo did the movie.

That problem. That there's just at a lot of the stuff that was told inside of it. Well, Bobavette is a little bit of a different thing too because Boba Fett is, Dind Dharjan pretty much took the essence of Boba Fett. He just, everything that we thought Bobafel was. He just took that. So it's like, it's hard for them.

They have to shift and try to do something else. And I just don't think that story necessarily, what they did with him, resonated with everybody. But that's why those, we've all said it. The episodes of the Mandalorian inside of Boba Fet, some of the best Star Wars storytelling that we've gotten so far. So TV still works very much so.

And guess what? If Andor crushes and people love Andor, Yeah. Then they're going to go, okay, TV, TV's working. Are people, so you think people are, because of Obi-Wan are like, I don't know. I don't know if this streaming. Oh, yeah. I've seen it. I see it all the time.

Really? Yeah. People are like, see, do you still think TVs are better than movie? Yes. I just don't think that we've got, I still, I think that they're, and I love Deborah Chow. And I think that this fan that it does prove is that there were certain choices made that they showed in this series that weren't great. However, there's a lot of stuff that they shot that was fantastic.

And that fan edit shows that. Most of it. Like if you look at, I think the, the runtime of all the episodes are like three hours and 30 minutes. So cut down an hour. You mean the fan edits? No, no, all the episodes combined. Oh, so they cut an hour out of the shows. They cut an hour out of the show.

About an hour of fat. It's really only three and a half hours, huh? Yeah. That's what I mean. So they cut about an hour out of fat. And what they both, both fan edits did. No one's saying that the, what's the composer's name? The one who does.

Loki. No one's saying that she's not a good composer. She's a great composer. She's a really good composer. Natalie Holt. Natalie Holt. Really good composer. But what both fan edits showed

is that there should have been a blend. One thing that I think, I thought Kevin Smets' cut was better at was integrating the O-T music and the prequel music did it a little bit more smoother, I thought, than this other cut. The other cut, they throw like Clone Wars music in there.

And if it's just jarring at one point, But they both use great music for the end battle that just brings you back into it. And they don't use it in the actual series until the very end. And it's like a little too late. I think the music especially because, you know, Mando is his own thing. So we didn't need. There was no. There's no reason.

No songs we could bring in. But these, Obi-1, Luke, Leia, Baru, Owen. They use Luke a little bit when he shows up. So you've got tons of characters in the original trilogy. you do need that music because it's... Especially Obi-Wan. Especially Obi-Wan. Like, you look at the impact of that scene when he saves Leia

and that the classic Star Wars team, the Force team plays out, it's more effective and it's more emotional. And I think that they... That's the stuff that people don't understand that when... That's why this silly thing of a lot, TV's not working. It's just... It looks cheap.

No, the scene that looked cheap again was when they used... Like, that just shows. Yeah. If you're watching those... dailies or whatever, and you see the wood scene and how, let's cut it out. Let's just cut out because it looks cheap. Put the thing overhead and cut right to it. Oh, okay. The audience can be deceived in, with cuts and music and still go, oh, that's phenomenal.

Because no one's talking about this with Mandalorian. Sometimes, sometimes a volume shows up, but the story is so. That's boob. Sometimes. You can't tell it. Right. No, it's because of Mandalorian. And sometimes, but I'm saying sometimes you hear, but it's rare.

Yeah. But it's because the story is so, you're so invested in it and you're liking the choices and the music is working that you're more forgiving of little certain things. Sure. And the cuts have been better. Boba Fed and Obi-One had significant problems of certain elements that weren't just coming from people who are hateful. Yeah. It's coming from people that that are legitimately watching and going, I don't like that. Yeah.

And I think that both fan edits show that with cuts, you could have avoided all of it. With keeping the same story. Yeah. Keeping the same story. Yeah. But then you don't have six episodes. You know, you got. But they could, yeah.

You could have added more to it. Yeah, you could have added more to it. But then you're like, but then at what point though? You're like, oh, no, we're just adding to add now. Yeah, I know. It's, look, it's not, it's, it's certainly not easy. I know the other thing, what I will say is with all this. Dialogue.

Hey, look at me. Dialogue. A hundred percent dialogue. Just add dialogue. Just add dialogue because there's, there was so many, like there were a few conversations inside of that show. I wanted so much more. Right.

But you look at a conversation that was so effective when Canovi was with Leia on the planet. Yes. And he talks about his brother. When he talks about how he was taken and stuff that you'd never seen from Canovi before. And it was a great piece of dial.

It talks about Leah's mom and all this stuff. That, there was a few moments like that throughout the series, but they were few and far between. Yeah. Like you're saying, more of that could have elevated the show

even more so. Yeah, because you have an actor like Ewan McGregor. It's like he can say anything and you'd listen. But I just, nowadays, it's like you're hiring script writers who aren't George Lucas. You know, like these are people who write dialogue. So I don't, we can go away from this idea that Star Wars can't do dialogue. You're getting writers who can do dialogue. And then to your point with the music, it's like when you're making a show, like, as like creators,

it's like you want to use like any benefit you can or like anything to, like, like create the vibe that you want to have. And with music, it's, it's like this unconscious or subconscious emotion that it just creates more leeway for them. Like if you tapped into that, like people wouldn't even notice that it would elevate their viewing experience, but they would.

Yeah, I agree. Okay. All right, we'll switch over though to the fan edit is available. And what I will say is that the guy did say inside his fan edit that he respected the word. He wasn't like, this is what I mean, there's so much. This is my version.

No, no, no, no. He was, he was very, and he actually told everybody, go and subscribe to Disney Plus and, and support them and do all that. And I, so it was, but I think that it was, it's gotten a lot of attention for good reason.

And nothing, never taken down. It's up everywhere. Well, it's like, how can you take it down though? You're not, because he's not, it's not on YouTube. You're not monetizing it. And it's just, it's his version of you really,

legally you can't. No. Because, it's this, it's the old saying. A film, TV show has made, three times when it's written, when it's shot, and when it's edited. That's how it is, you know?

Yeah. Right. All right, let's move on, though. Now, Thor Ragnarok, no, Ragnar. Thor, Love and Thunder. It is a divisive movie also. I think Mike and I are in the same page with the... Did you hate it?

No. Yeah. I didn't hate it at all. Right. Okay, same page. I didn't hate it. I just thought it was goofy. Really goofy.

It's fun watching these movies because I can say this. now because it's out there, is the fact that I don't have to pay attention to them anymore. I don't have to sit there and go, well, that ship's name. I'm going to have to remember that. Oh,

okay. Yeah, it's channeling's over to me. At the same time, we say the same thing. You don't have to remember that name of that ship anymore. The Aegeus was the name of their ship, the Ageus.

Right. So I don't have to, that's when I watch IG movies, but how I'm like, what's that? No, I don't do that anymore. Yeah.

But I didn't hate it. Right. I knew going in, it was Tyca, being given more leeway. But can we talk about this now? What we had heard at Sarver's celebration? And which was?

You're texting. Look at them. I have to do something. That's why I didn't have the camera on me, so no one knew. When the camera's on you, that's when you do it. Steph, why do you hate me so much today? All right, let me talk. Because I was right, right?

That's what. Here's the difference, Mike. This is you in the middle of the conversation. Go ahead and talk. Okay, so we're talking about what. Oh, you're showing. full of, get out of here. It's a nonsense.

What are you doing, Mike? Notes. Notes. I had notes. Here's my notes. What's the notes? I hate you both so much. I hate you both so much.

Go ahead. All right. What do we learn? Celebration. What do we learn? No, remember we talked about? Oh, yeah, yeah. Can we talk about that now?

Yeah. Just don't say any. No, you said to me, you're like, hey, so, you know, we always hear stuff about these Marvel projects. I had heard for a while that Miss Marvel was awful. And they're saying the actress is bad. It's wrong. Completely false.

Completely false. She's the best thing about that show. She's the best thing about that show. And I had heard Sheealks having some problems. But we both had heard that Love and Thunder was having a lot of problems. It was all jokes. And there was no ending to it. And they didn't know what to do.

And they were still doing reshoot. And again, I don't know what to take this with. You know, some rumors you hear that are true, others not. But this, I took this one pretty solid from where we heard it. But now seeing it, I'm like, oh, that's 100% true. Yeah. It was joke after joke after joke. Yeah, you can tell.

They still didn't know where they were. It was a stand-up comedy show. And it was... But I think that there were a lot of people who, and she's not alone, that loved the movie. Of course you did. But it's... I loved it.

Loved it. Loved it. There's a lot of people that love it. Winston loved it. Winston said the same thing. Winston said the same thing. And I had the same reaction you did. But the reason why this is all relevant inside of this conversation is because he's...

So the conversation first at Star Wars Celebration was that Kathleen Kennedy was still sticking with 2023, December, we're getting tight as movie. movie. And then Tyka comes out while he's doing press recently saying, I didn't start writing it. I don't know. Not sure. Now they didn't announce it at the panel. No, no, no. Hold on. So it's like, so 2023, he's like, I don't know. I haven't started writing it. Now there's another report that they're going to start shooting in the beginning of 2020. Nobody knows what the hell this movie is. Now I love and I will say this and I'll throw it to you guys. I love Tycoe with TD. I think he is hilarious. I think his Mandalorian stuff is great.

I have changed my tune with him directing Star Wars. I don't think it's a good idea anymore. Not if he's writing it. If he's writing it, I think that when he's directing it, because what he did well, really well, one of the best episodes of Mandalorian, Flonio Favreau, whoever it is, wrote the script. They give it to him, he adds, obviously the two Stormtroopers up top,

have that goofy kind of Tyca feel, but then it kicks in a gear, and by the end of it, you're in this emotional state of he just directed the hell out of that episode. Thor Ragnarok, which I actually really love, he didn't write it,

and he directed it, added his story, added his flavor to it, added his stuff to it, didn't write the whole script. When he's writing a Tycho Watiti movie, if I don't want to see a Tyco Watiti Star Wars movie.

I want to see a Star Wars movie directed by Tyco Watiti. That's my... You didn't write any of the Mandalorian episodes he did? I don't believe so. I mean, I'm not telling you he didn't collaborate, and he didn't, clearly, that Storm Trooper bit was all Tyca. That's straight up Tyca, but I think the majority of it was stuff that he collaborated with.

I think a straight up Tycho with TD comedy, I'm not interested in seeing it in Star Wars. I didn't like this stuff in Last Jedi with, hey, your mom's on the phone, all that stuff. And I think you're going to get that. And that's going to drive me nuts. I think it's going to drive a lot of other people nuts. But there's other people who might love that. Personally, I don't necessarily want to see a Tycoe-Wat-T-D-written Star Wars movie anymore. not if we're going to get something like what we got with

Love and Thunder. I think that I hear it, but I also really trust him. Like I really think that he has the ability to understand different properties. I don't think he would approach Marvel the same way he would Star Wars. I definitely don't think he would approach anything the way he approaches Thor as a character.

I hope you're right. I think Thor has just become the joke. So he was like, let's go all in on that. But he has never done anything. thing without jokes. Now, I'm not telling you that his movies don't work because they do. I like... Joe Robert.

Great movie. Ragnarok, great movie. A lot of his movies, great movies. But he's just a naturally... You ever conversation with the guy? We had the pleasure when he came into Clyder a few times. He's hilarious. Yeah.

He's a funny. He's a great dude. He's a hilarious dude, but he just... I don't think he can help himself with comedy. I think he likes to bring in laughter and stuff inside of it. And I don't think that Star Wars... And this is what people commonly with me are mistaken with, that I don't want humor in Star Wars.

I love humor in Star Wars. But it's got to, and this is one of the reasons sometimes I think that even in Marvel, it's got to feel like it's actually coming from the character. And it's not just there for a bit. You know, like where Downey, when he says, don't embarrass me in front of the Wizards. I feel like Tony Stark would say that in the middle of it. It was set up that he would say that kind of stuff.

Dinn going to set a Jawa on fire because he's getting frustrated with him. I feel like that's something that would happen. When they start cracking jokes in the middle of a serious situation, if someone's dying, they go, oh, you know what, your arm might go to Baha'u'lla, but you're my buddy. I don't care if you're dying. I'm more concerned about ha ha ha. And it's like, that's the kind of stuff that makes me nervous.

Yeah. It's interesting because, you know, Ragged Rock was 2017. Then we get Thor and Infinity War and Endgame. Completely different Thor. Yes. And now he's back to this other thing. So it's like pick and choose which one you're going to be. I don't feel.

It felt like a parody at times, didn't it? Yeah, it was like the whole Zeus scene. Oh, dude. Don't even get it. I feel like me to sports. And I think we're going to get that in a Star Wars movie. That's what I don't. Do you want that?

Hold on. You're going to have this. You're going to have the Imperial officer come on. He's like, well, flip his cape. Look what's here we have here. Some rebels. No, I don't think so. I don't know what you're going to get space balls.

One is the gods, which there's a lot of hypocrisy in God, obviously, Zeus, like, historically, like, thematically in his... Wait, Steph, there's difference between arrogance and then total, like... Biffoonery. No, Zeus was, like, the worst, apparently. Of course he was. But he wasn't sashing with my dress. That scene, but...

You'll come to the stage and talk and the stage. We all hear you. Yeah. I flicked too hard. But this is a different, but this is a different conversation altogether. But I do understand what you're saying that because he showed it in Mandalorian, right? That he can blend those two together because I was nervous when I saw that scene in Mandalorian.

I'm like, is this going to be the whole episode? Which one? The two guys at the end. The two Stormtroopers when they're punching. It fit. It fit. But I was worried that the whole episode was just going to be. There's humor throughout that episode.

But it's the humor I'm talking about with Star Wars humor where it's just little things that the characters would say. And he didn't write the whole damn thing. Because what I feel like with that scene, he was like, what if these two stormtroopers do this and that? And then go ahead, go for it. That sounds funny. He throws it in there.

And then he directs the hell out of the rest of it. I just think it's going to be joke central. Did he say in his, when he's talking about the writing, he's like, I really want to go into an area that is not attached to anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't want to involve like Skywalker's.

Which is good because here's another reason. But I also feel like it's going to be like, hey, we're not attached to the sacred stuff. Let me do what I want to do. Let me do what we do in shadow. I want to learn any, like any lessons, like from the response. Here's a thing. The movie made a lot of money.

What I love about him as a director is that's, when you hire him, that's who you're hiring. The same thing happened, though, with Lord Miller. When you, Ramey also. Right, Ramie, people, for as much as they, and I'll say this, the phase four of the MCU is not hitting for me. Yeah, same. But I will say this. I love the swings they're taking.

One through three, face one through three, it all looked the same. And they wanted, and it needed to be. All the directors are kind of shoehorned into this funnel of the MCU. and it works people complaining there was not enough different stuff. So now we're getting these filmmakers. Marvel's like, go, do everything what you want. And these things all look different. I'm, but I would rather them go.

I can't, you can't have you both. I agree. I agree with you. But when it comes to, when it comes to Star Wars, here's, but here's the issue, though, that Marvel has that Star Wars doesn't. Marvel has a lot, has a lot of the good faith with their films. True, you're right, you're right. What they've put out over the last 12, 13 years.

Star Wars doesn't have that right. You're right. New trilogy didn't hit the way that they wanted. two. I'm not talking money. I'm talking about overall with the fans. Rogue one is now from most people, the premiere movie that they did and it felt the most out of the four movies that they, five movies, yeah. The five movies that they did, that's the one that people I think, and it's, and it's gained more traction as it's gone on because it fits into the trilogy itself, into the original trilogy. It fits in more so it feels more like it fits in as far as tone and everything too. And I think

a lot of people. And there was humor in that. There was humor in that. K2S. So, Perfect. Perfect humor for that. I think that's all Star Wars fans want, though, is a little bit of humor. I think honestly, if we look at Star Wars as a whole, the only movie that is not, there's probably two. The original trilogy is pretty protected, but I would say Empire Strikes Back is well known as the greatest piece of Star Wars that's come out. To most people. To most people. And it's the most serious piece of Star Wars that we've gotten.

And I think, like, that's what's missing for a lot of people. I don't mind it, but I think for a majority of Star Wars fans, I obviously love the serious stuff too. I think that that's why Rogue One is arguably more serious than any of the other stuff we've seen as a whole as a movie. And so they should go with that. I think they should go with that tone. And this is the thing that I think,

and it feels like this always happens to Lucas. Happens. But it does. Think about this. Whether it's Travaro, what was that movie that he did right before they canned him? Oh. Henry something? Yes, regarding him.

Book of Henry. Regarding Henry's Harrison Ford. He gets hit the head. He's like, Do you know who wrote that movie? J.J. Abrams. Really? Yeah, it was the first thing that he did.

But anyway. Holy crap. So anyway, so Book of Henry. Book of Henry. That movie comes out. I'm not saying that this is why they can do it, but it just seems like this happens a lot. It does.

So it comes out, they can him. Patty Jenkins has Wonder Woman too, which you loved, but a lot of people didn't. And again, I get why people like it. And then she leaves the project. And I'm not saying at all that this is that it's connected. I'm just saying it usually happens, right? But the Game of Thrones doesn't have the response that everyone thought it was going to have and it's this divisive thing back and

forth and then Benioff and Weiss are gone. Yeah. Right. So, and there's probably more examples as, as you go through it. So here's now, we got Tyca. Trank and Fantastic Four. Right. Trank and Fantastic Four. I mean, that was a lot of his. But there was, he did a lot of this stuff too that got him can. But, but, But yes, that's another great example. But it happens a lot. And now they're like, all right, we got Tyca. And he just did Thor Ragnar Rock and everyone loves Tyca.

And now this is the first movie he's done where everyone's like, it's great. It's great. It's so messed up. It is messed up. The turn of band on him. It's crazy. They love you when they love you.

They do. And they hate you when they're- It's true, man. I've never seen it happen in real time like I've done with him. Oh, dude. He was so, like everyone was obsessed with him. Don't forget how much people. People loved Ryan Johnson before Ryan Johnson did Last Jedi.

But he's back at it again, though. Knives out, got him back. Yeah, of course. Well, yes, but not with Star Wars fans. Not with Star Wars fans. He's a person, not grata. As much as I tell you, I don't like The Last Jedi. Ryan Johnson is a great director.

And this is the thing I said. And I have a podcast coming out with Josh Horowitz very soon that we did for big thing. And we talked about this. And I don't care who the hell gives me crap for it. Ryan Johnson, if they said, because this is a very similar thing that I just talked about with Tyca. If they said,

we're doing episode two of Mandalorian season four, or season three. No, four, right? Three. Season three. And we want Ryan Johnson to direct. Yeah. Now the majority of fans are going to go,

oh my God, what are you doing? Did you ever see Osmondius from Breaking Bad? It's one of the best episodes of television ever, ever, and he directed it. He's directed tons of television, And it's a different script. I would be all for it. So it goes into the same Taika conversation.

I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. I don't know if he's going to decide to back off of it. I don't know if Lucasfilm is going to find another way. Because if Tyca leaves also, they're like, oh, creative differences for this. Or that he's his schedule. His schedule.

It's like this is why stop announcing stuff until it is ready to shoot unless it starts And still it's shooting. Well, that was the thing at Star Celebration. Oh, they didn't announce it. And then, like, on the carpet, they're like, no, he's going forward. It's like, so you didn't do it on the panel, but you still announce something. Why? Because they're trying, because they're still since 2012 or whatever, they started announcing these movies.

They still have not learned their lesson, it seems. When it comes to who's the director of the moment. Right. Give the director of the moment the movie, whether it's Patty Jenkins, too, who I love. Yeah. But still, Tycho, Attee, Taika, Attee, who, again, I'm a massive fan. I don't care if it's a slip up or not.

The man didn't know that Natalie Portman was in the prequels. Now, hold on. Does he mess? Because I saw some stuff too with him with his cast members. And like, is he doing it as a joke? Is he in on it? It didn't seem like it.

It didn't seem like it. And so, and I hope that people, and I'm hoping inside of the comments that people could go, no, no, no, it was a joke or here's an actual link. Right. What I saw was, right.

He was joking around. It has a great relationship with everyone. There's no one who doesn't. He doesn't like Tycho Wattie who works on. He's one of those guys. And he's having a conversation with her. And he's like, oh, yeah, she's like, what are you working on next? And he's like, I'm working on the Star Wars thing next.

He's like, and thinking about, oh, you liked working with it. He said, would you ever want to be in a Star Wars movie? She's like, I was in three of them. And he's like, oh, I forgot about those movies. It's like, it does show that it doesn't connect at all. Right. Because he's not even thinking about those movies. But how do you not know that she's?

He was of the age when those hit massive. But still, it's like, they were massive at the time. But he was, but it was. But it proves 40s? Yeah, he was in his 20s when he's 20s. Yeah, so they hit for him. He knew when it was out. But that's what I'm saying, though,

is that the issue is not necessarily Taiko Atiti. It is, we get into these conversations all the time. Do people have to be massive fans of Star Wars in order to direct movies? No. No. But they should, once they get the job, bury themselves into it. Look at, shoot, the showrunner of the Acolyte, who I believe that she was a big fan,

but you listen to her now what she's talking about with diving deep into all the books and everything. Bryce Dallas Howard. Bryce Dallas grew up on it too, but yeah, but still, but I'm talking about somebody.

Look, Tony Gilroy is an example. Tony Gilroy is not a massive Star Wars fan. Right. But he dove deep into it once he's starting getting into it. Because you know the fan leave you live if you don't.

I know. But people don't eat, like, I love the prequels. Most people don't. Why would, why would he use that as Bible study? But you should know that he,

that she plays the, The central character. Totally, but she also is arguably, I know this is like super rational. Oh, here it comes. She's arguably a completely different actress. It doesn't matter though. Yeah, I'm like what you're saying. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, she's not the same. You were rude to me at the beginning of this episode, not helping me out, but I'm going to back you on this one. See, that's what I do. Well, you know what I'm going to. I'm going to, I'm going to back you. You know how I do? You know how I do? I'm going to back you guys up and give you a little help for some energy.

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We got a lot of questions that came in, too. Do we answer, though? Oh, we didn't answer this real quick. What do you want? Steph, Tyco Wittiti. Oh. Do you want to see his movie or not? Yes.

Do I want to see his movie? Of course, I mean, if he does it movie, I'm going to see it. But didn't you say you can't go for it anymore? If they said it was canceled, I wouldn't be upset. Gotcha. Is what I'm saying. Okay. Okay, let's do this.

Over under and it being canceled. Well, over under, or you want to say percentage? Percentage. Okay. Let's say percentage, but okay. No, it's not. But percentage, I would say percentage is, I think it's got a good shot that it gets made. So I'm going to say about 35% that it gets canceled. Okay.

Now you can go over under. Over under 35%. Okay. Under. And I want to make a statement. So in a few years when the movie's made, I think this is going to be a very great Star Wars movie. I hope you're right. Because they can't afford it not to be.

No. That's the problem. I think he's going to go to work. I think he's going to go to work. That's why I'm saying. Because if they're announcing this one as the one, this is the one that comes out. And he's got all of this back, this, this, not backlash, but a, but a divisive fan base with Thor right now. And then they do it again with another Star Wars movie after Obi-1 doesn't hit the way that they wanted it to.

Because that's the first movie out. This split. Brutal. Loven Thunder split people. In a way. that you hadn't seen in Marvel. Yes. It's been in the multiverse.

Most people, there are a lot of us that are like, okay, I thought it was great that they let Ramey make a film. I'm like, this is a mess. Because here's,

but this is the difference. The difference is comedy. Yes, there's a lot of comedy in multiverse, but the difference is, it's, yeah, and at least it's trying,

it has a better balance of, it's sloppy, but it has a better balance of the emotional and the humor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, where you don't really start to get into emotional moments.

There's a few kind of sprinkled in there in the beginning of the movie, but like 45 minutes before you really start to build off of that. The gore stuff, and I heard this like... Yeah, it's, now thinking about it, he was like, he's the best villain in the MCU. Who said that? Tyca. But now I see why he said it.

But he's this great empathetic character, and then he's doing a Jim Carrey moment with the kids about storytime in a dead head. Right. I'm like, what? And then the thing is, his whole point was like his daughter died. That's where he's doing this. So your next bad thing to do is you're going to kidnap a bunch of children? It poised you.

Did you miss that part? Yeah, but that part doesn't bother you as much because of what Steph's talking about. But anyway, look, let's. So you think it's going to get canceled? I think 55% it's canceled. 45% it goes. It's more so. I'm going.

They can't afford the PR. No, no, no, no. See, that's where I'll, that's where I will push back a little bit to the PR will not be good. If they lose Tyker, you're right. But. if what's what's worse what's worse for them right now which PR is worse if they cancel it here another here's Lucas film again they did it again but again it's not very far ahead we don't know what it is or they released a movie it's another joke fest it's not coin okay okay just saying

what if it is you may you may very well be right and what if it is and it's another stinker of a movie or another divisive divisive movie I should say device device That goes back and forth the fans. That's what they can't afford more of. I think Tyca should keep doing TV for Star Wars. Star Wars TV is excellent. Stay away from the movies. Stay away from the movies.

Let's try to shift it up. Let's go back and establish the damage. Because what Benny off and Weiss were supposed to do, from what I heard, was the establishment of the first Jedi and the first Sith, kind of Game of Thrones style. Set that up. Set that world up. That's a way to set that up.

Get away from all the goofiness. You knew that comic was a Tadden Bink. The two Stormtrovers, Tad and Bink. Those weren't them, though. No, I know that. But they had that time. What's not their names? The comic book.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, what if he did a series like that? Like, Kevin Rubio would like that. What's up? Kevin Rubio, the writer would love it. Yeah. Like, just a ridiculous thing that he can let his comedy a series.

Which is, because you can't do a movie. You can't do a couple hundred million dollar film. You make a great point because you're pitching it that way then. Right, right? Because if you're pitching it is like, we're making a full-on comedy, with Star Wars. We're going to make a full. We're going to go zany with it. We're going to have some fun because these are what these are. Okay. Then I'm, then I'm, because I think that's what I can't even tell you how many comments I saw with Thor that said, we saw your non-spoiler review or we saw a non-spoiler review.

Yeah. That prepared me to go in expecting a big old comedy and because of that I enjoyed it more. Yeah. Because it's not pitched that way. You see that, well, it's a tyco film. Of course it's going to humor. Balance. It's not pitched that way. Every Marvel movie has humor in it. Yeah. It's balance. And without balance in Star Wars, that's a recipe for disaster. Balance of the Force. Yeah. All right, let's try to get to a couple questions. I keep cutting me off.

It's my friend. No, no, it's not. There was a lot to talk about. Eric Lozano, who just, we talked about this briefly. I'm going to start with Steph here. Steph, is Rogue One the best Star Wars movie in the last 20 years? Ooh. The best?

You're on the best. It's not my favorite. It probably is the best. What's Force Awakens your favorite? Yeah. 20 years. That's a fair answer. So that doesn't include. of phantom menace then that's not 20 years i know yeah 20 years so 20 years absolutely yeah so

but so mike the same the same thing though for is it the best and is it your favorite is that's yeah because i like step's answer a lot i have a soft spot for force awakens and i really the more time goes on phantom menace for me just it's not 20 years i know that yeah so the two out of the new out of the five new movies yeah well no you got to include Revenge of the Sith and Attack of the Clones. Because those aren't within 20 years. Yeah, they are. That's what I'm saying.

That's why I said the Phantom Miss doesn't include it. Oh, yeah, it was 2002. 2002, 2005. So it's 20 years. Yeah. 20 years ago, can you believe that? What the hell? Okay, so I know what he's saying.

He admits of the new era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let's cut out the prequels in general. Let's just say from, oh, absolutely. It's my favorite of the, of the, 2006 on. Yeah. Then including the Clone Wars.

No. As you are, 2008. Oh, eat my feet. Hey, you talked to a three-time-time-mige champion here. Eat my feet, that's another shirt. But yes, I, Rogue one? Absolutely. Okay, yeah, so I feel the same.

It's funny because I, over the years. I love Rogue One. Well, because the Force Awakens, and I've said it's on our rewatch, the problem with the Force Awakens for me every time I watch it now, I enjoy it, but it just, it just leads to nothing. That's a story for another time. Yeah, it all leads to nothing. That's my, that's my issue with it when I watch it.

It's just like, it is. It is. It's just that, because, but one of the things I loved about it when I first saw was the, okay, where are we going with this? Yeah. We're set up. Oh, this character, this. And then, and it was a matter of, oh, that's what we got. They didn't know what they had. And so Rogue One, that's why I said. Rogue one to me is by far my favorite Star Wars movie of the new era and the best because of what I said earlier. It feels connected to all of it. It feels connected. I, it, yeah. And that movie shouldn't have been as good as it was, considering all the problems that that. But they, what they did with that film, and I noticed it when I was watching it, like that guy, General Merrick, the blue squadron leader.

Yeah. He felt like he would be with big dark line to those guys. Like, just the attention of detail, the look of it. Right. It felt like it was part of a film in the 70s. Right. And that's why I think that we got a good... It just felt so Star Wars.

I'm so curious now. I can't imagine telling myself five years ago that the Andor series was going to be something that I was looking forward to as much as I am. I know you, even up a six months ago. Yeah, you were like, nah, I don't know. I was just like, you'll see what we got. But like, after that trailer, it's like, oh, wait, the detail, like you're just talking about the detail to it, the way it plays out. I wonder what, this one doesn't need to rely on music that much. No, it doesn't have.

But I'm curious if they'll use it at all. I'm wondering if they will throw in characters like Hera or Baylor Ghana or Obi-Wan for that. Bell needs to be in there. If Mon's in there? You would assume so. I would assume so, especially if Jimmy Smith's just. did they probably use them for both which it makes it would make sense

he's involved in it so yeah all right so we all agree that it is the best one not necessarily all of our favorites but is the best one that has come out yeah it's up there yeah Andy Dunn will there be another season of Obi-Wan Kenobi question is will there or

should there's a thing I'll say this before the film air before all six episodes had gone I just said yeah there's going to be one seeing the reception I don't know but dude it was it was the most streamed show. I know. I know. That's where I think Lucasfilm falls into a hole sometimes.

They go, well, everybody, that's just one section that doesn't really like it. Let's put another one on it. Everybody loved it. Everybody watched it. But we were watching it for the Vader and Obi-1. Because those are easily, no one, whether you liked it or just like, you can't, the fights looked phenomenal. They were great.

They were great fights and all that. So you got, you can't keep putting Vader in this thing. That's what I'm saying. He cannot be in the X-1. So what do you do? And just another story of Obi-1 on the planet? side missions and stuff. And it's like, just do another show.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Someone to pitch this, like, they set it up really well with Quillan Voss. And they, and he, when he said, well, Quinlan was here. Cass Jason Mamoa is Quinlan Voss. Give him a Quinlan Voss series. It's called Voss, whatever it is, right?

Yeah. And Obi-Won shows up to help him on, like, one episode, the way they did for, like, The Mandalorian or Boba-Fat and do something like that. And you put Obi-Wan in one or two, they finally find each other. He helps him do something. something and then new one's gone. Okay. That to me works better because now you

establish a new character, something a little more fresh and you don't just build off of stuff and it's like, but I think they get too nervous with unestablished characters. They need to stop doing that. They need to stop doing that. That's why I'm so excited about the acolyte.

Yeah. So excited with the acolyte. I don't think they're going to do a season two. And I don't think they have intentions of it either. You don't think they have intention, but they've talked about it. I don't think they had intentions. Remember the thing because they said, no, this is one and done.

Yeah. And the closer we got, they're like, Once they start to see all the hype. Everyone's around and everyone knows you and wants to come back and we're all here. Let's all have a party. So you say no chance. No. I don't think it's going either.

Look, I hope you're right to be honest. Me too. I think there's enough stuff. I think there's enough stuff out there right now. We don't need it. Is that you and I both have said this. This had the potential to be the greatest thing of Star Wars since the original trilogy.

And now it's out and we're like, when's Mando 3 coming out? Yeah. Well, and Oriendo or two. But that's also why I love TV. And I stick by this. I stick by this. It's like. For people who are saying, oh, it's too much, it's too much, it's too much.

It's like, yeah, but I don't have to sit, like if, another year. And, like, I don't think there's a, I don't think there's a stink on Obi-W-1. No, not at all. This is a bit of a disappointment for me. Yeah. But I don't have to sit in that disappointment that much. I got Andorke coming up in like a month and a half. And if it's not, that's not good, guess what?

Then I've got Mandalorian. I'll say this. But you say, it's too soon or whatever. I think Star Wars has found a good balance because they don't have their films yet. I feel myself, personally, I'm becoming disillusion, not taking away with, at MCU. It was like Dr. Strange. Yeah, it's a lot.

Then Miss Marvel. Miss Marvel's not even over in Thor. And the fact that Miss Marvel got sandwiched between those two and lost, and it's the best thing out of the three of those. It's pretty good. It's like, it's too much. I'm like,

you know why? I'm, I'm overloaded on. But here's why, here's the difference. But I'm not with Star Wars. I'm not overloaded. But here's the difference of my,

what I think for Marvel, why I agree with you is that, um, with Star Wars, even though it all kind of connects inside of the show universe. You don't have to watch it. Nope. in order to enjoy the other thing.

I don't care what fight, he says. If you don't watch certain things, you're lost. You're lost. How? You're lost. Anyone could watch Dr. Strange and not watch Wanda Vision. He said you don't have to watch Wanda Vision. How?

In order to get emotionally involved, you have to watch Wanda Vision. Yeah, you'd be so confused. How? I thought, I know, I can't remember who said this, but someone said they took their mom and was a you. Yeah. And then the mom was like, I thought she was a good guy. And so I had to pause it and then give her an entire rundown on WandaVian series.

Right. You have to. You have to. No idea. Right. And now if Loki and Kang is going to be the big bad guy, you don't have to watch Loki. Right. So that's why they do. And it's like a full comic book series, which is what they've, but they've also earned it again through what they've done.

Of course. Of course they have. But Star Wars is great like that. It is. Like for me, I have not finished Clone Wars or Rebels. I'm enjoying the hell at all of this. But you guys both get more out of it. Now, and it will definitely get more out of Asoka.

Yeah. Yeah. What's that planet that's the cold planet that you love so much? on Empire Strikes back. Hoth? You didn't know what Hoth? You know why? Because I don't need a blanket on Hoth.

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Let me know. All right. Next question. I know we're not going to get to all these questions here today because we had so many topics. So I apologize. John Morgan, this is an unpopular take, he says. The 2003 Clone Wars, the Tartatovsky ones, are better than a 2008 series. Have you seen them?

Yes, I have. Do I remember it? Yes, I do. Thoughts. I don't think this is as hot of a take as you think. I think it's just because there are not a lot of people who have seen the Tarterhouse. Yeah. Have you seen the Tarterhouse? Yeah. They came and they kind of went with no fanfare and hype. They were really- They weren't canon. That was the other thing that came out. They weren't canon.

What? No. So that was the, and because- Who is the bad guy in that that's got the gray neck? He's like a long neck with a head on the end of it. It wasn't grievous. It was a different one. And then, well, Assage Ventress. Nope. Because that's a show how- He had like tattoo markings down his neck. I'm not sure they show. I'm pretty sure it's grievous. It wasn't. But they show Anakin.

I'll find out. I'm looking at it right now. That's fine. That's you're doing notes. But that's, they have, Anakin is, they show how to get his scar.

And they show all the stuff with the Saj Ventris. And it's, it is great. It's really good. They're short, like three minutes each and they piece into like one big episode. Yeah. It's like more of that like classic Batman animated series.

Samurai, this was a Samurai Jack? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I don't think it's better than the 2008 clone war.

but it's kind of unfair, it's like an unfair comparison in a lot of ways. Like one is connecting a story and filling in like eras that were really important to us as fans. And one is just really good content. Well, the other one is the main one for Clone Wars with six or seven seasons that they put out. George Lucas was very heavily involved in them. Not that he wasn't involved in the other ones, but he was in the writer room all the time. It was the extension of his stories, extension of his writing. So it's just a different conversation.

Yeah. The final season of Clone Wars has my. heart. That's like maybe my favorite. Yeah. All right. John Holleyfield. If Kathleen Kennedy is ever removed, I don't know if she's going to be removed as much as she's just not going to extend her contract or go somewhere else. I don't think she's ever

going to get removed. But if Kathleen Kennedy, let's say, ever leaves as head of Lucasfilm, who do you think would be a good replacement? That would bring the business savvy as well as an actual knowledge of Star Wars. That's a hard question. And the reason why I say that is because there are

executives out there that none of us know, that might be massive Star Wars fans. Like I remember Kevin Smith talking to me about the Netflix guy that he was talking to with He-Man. It was just a he-man overall like just an aficionado and knew like everything about it. He's an executive, right? So I don't know which executives are out there that could do both. Now, I think that when you look at someone, everyone usually says these three names. Favro, Poloni. Or Kevin Feige. Those are usually the three names that I usually tell. You have something.

I got the picture of him. Let me see. That guy next to Adventress. It's grievous guy. It's not grievous. It's grievous. That's grievous? Yeah, that's grievous.

This guy right here? That's, that's something about Zach's now. You're doing good. And then it was Duku, right? Yeah. That's grievous? Yeah.

It's just a different look. Yeah. Is it before he got more robot? No, is he human? It was the first introduction of him. Is how they introduced him in that series. Oh, okay. Yeah.

All right. My fault then. It's all right. You'll be all right. So the, but anyway, what the hell were? I had a good point until you,

what the hell was it? We were talking about. You messed me up there, Mike. Let me go back to the question. Hold on. Kathleen Kennedy. Oh, yeah. So executive-wise.

So the three names, Feige, Faloni, or Favro. Those are the three names that are usually sent out. Not including millions of, or thousands of executives

that we don't even know about that could take it over. But let's use those three names. Yes. Who knows? If any one of them would even want that job. It's because Lucasfilm is not just Star Wars. Right.

It's Indiana Jones. It's Willow. It's other tons of managing way more. Lots of stuff. Just the creative. That's why I always say, I don't know what happened with Obi-Wan. I have no idea. There was the rumors, whether they're real or not.

There was a script that we heard about that the guy was working on that they had. Kathleen Kennedy didn't like a lot of. She wanted to make some changes. They brought it in for a TV show. There were some changes she wanted to make, and then they maneuvered around it. I don't know how true that is. It could be very, it could be Debra Chow going, I'd rather do this, this, and this. It could be Flonian Favro coming up and saying, I want to do this, this, this and this.

Just saying some of the rumors that I heard. Right. And if that's the case, I don't understand why she gets so involved creatively, trust in your creators when you don't, she doesn't have to love Star Wars. She's not a big Star Wars. She's not a Star Wars geek. You're not going to, if you're, if you sit down with Favro and Faloney, You probably talk to them about, Bryce Dallas Howard, the three of them.

You could talk to the three of them about Star Wars for probably hours upon hours. How long you think you can really dive deep talking Star Wars Lord with Kathleen Academy? Yeah. Is her husband, her husband? Gary Marshall? Frank Marshall? Frank Marshall? No.

Gary Marshall's been dead for both years. Yeah, Frank Marshall. That's her husband. Yes. He seems to me like she's Star Wars, he's Indiana Jones. He's always attached to Indy. Yeah. Well, that's where they came.

And even in Jurassic Park, she was a producer on that as well. But either way, the question is who would take over? Out of the three of those names, if Filoni has any interest, I don't know what is executive chops are if he wants to even. He's chops. I don't think he'd want it to. I think he wants to still be kind of like the middle guy in Star Wars. He's a cowboy.

He's like a lone. He's got a cowboy. He's like Lance a lot. He's got enough. He's like the night that has that he's going to fight your battles for. He knows you put him out on the battlefield. He's going to get the job done for you. Taking over as the king, I don't know if he wants it.

I think Favro could do it. I see Favro. I think Favro could do it. But does Favro want to do that? Look at Favro. Does Favro want to? Star Wars. Yeah.

Lion King animated stuff, Marvel, and his own stuff. He knows how to move. Juggle stuff. That is just a major conversation of do you want to do that? Is that your next phase of your career? You went from actor to producer, to director, to writer, to director, to writer, show runner, like all these things that you did,

do you want to be these, do you want to run Lucas film? I don't know if you'd want to do that. I don't know, I don't know them at all. So I can't tell you whether or not you'd want to do it or not. Yeah. I don't think Figey's the right choice.

No. I don't, I know everybody because of what he's did with Marvel. I don't think Figekees is the right choice. I don't think it's leaving Marvel for a while. I think it's a brand new executive or someone or someone else. Or Kathleen Kennedy is going to be there for at least, I think 20, 24. is when her contract ends, I think.

I think Faggy's getting himself into a position where he can't leave Marvel. Yeah. Those pieces are all connected in a way and it's so massive at this point. You can leave whenever he wants. He could. He could do Polly from Goodfellis. F. You could pay me. He could do whatever he wants.

I don't think they could let him do that. Right. I don't think they're going to give it. I don't think they could afford to, like you always see the story. He's like, oh, so-and-so show runner came over and took over of one show and it's a bomb. Yeah. This guy's got seven shows, six movies, going on and he's doing phenomenal with it.

And on top of that, he's a massive showman where he knows how to work the fans and everything. So I'm like, well, that's my point with him. He's that he is a massive fan of this stuff. Yeah. And that's incredible. I do think Star Wars eventually will need someone like that. I think they need someone in the head. I absolutely think it should.

That is a great executive that also a great executive slash producer that really knows how, like can come up a certain ideas with Star Wars that creatively, Say what you will about it. I'm the biggest fan of DC. DC needs someone like that too, and you can tell, they've got, they're hitting with great shows. They're making moves on good movies and great shows

that are hitting full with the fans, but it's still not, I was like, why, I just don't, it's what's going on over there. You just need someone, and Star Wars is going to get to that point. Yeah, you do. You do.

You need a, what are you doing? Relax yourself. You're muting me again? No, not meeting. All right, let's get to one question, then we've got to end the show a little early today. Oh. Thunderwolf, Christian, you should read Shadow of the Sith book.

It has a lot of great stuff about Exigol, raised parents, and Ochi Bastoon. I actually have it. I think it's on the shelf. Ochi Bastoon, that's the guy that left his ship and gave him the knife with the directions on it. Yeah, so I actually do have the book. I just have not cracked it open tall. Yeah, I haven't even cracked it open, but I hear good things. I think PJ was reading it.

PJ said they loved it. I just said loved it. All right, I lied. We'll do another one. Bruce Crawford, the great Bruce Crawford. Do you think that Emperor Palpatine will appear in the Galactic Senate in the Andor series?

It seems like it from that shot in the trailer. Now, normally I would say, well, but wait a minute, but he's so old at that point already. And he's already decrepit. Oh, he's the Sith Lord. And looking at a Sith Lord. So why would he show up looking like Palpatine?

But then I can't remember what it is. It might be rebels or something else, too. They've already established that he, that he's putting on an image to... Oh, come on now. No, no, no. This has been established. There's like an image.

He's putting on an image to people that... Like through the force? He's making people see him as younger? But I think they... See, that's a different because that seems like

that's in person but through like holograms and stuff. Oh, he's a fake thing. Like I'm in this room. I know. I look fine now. I'm okay now. Like I'm back to my original stage.

I'm on vacation on... More like he's like he recovered from it. But... With my... Yeah, but wait. But remember... Remember at the end of Revenge of the Sith though?

He does the whole speech. It's true. You don't really need to do that. So I don't think that that's him unless it's a flashback scene. Unless he's blaming the Jedi for what he looks like. Look what they did to me. Well, no, no, he did that in Revenge of the Sith.

But I'm saying, but that shot there, that shot there, even though that... Oh, they think that looks like a young palpitan. That's what I'm saying. So the question is, if they were going to do a young palpitine. Yeah, so I don't know. If that is Palpatine, then it's a flashback scene. Yeah. That's what I would tell you.

Last one, we did that already. Do I wish it was a movie? No, I think it should, Obi-One should still be a TV show. Hampton, Super Bowl. We're a big fan of the show. My question is, what would have been your sequel trilogy story instead of what we got,

thank God bless. All right, we'll end with that one. So what would have been, you see? I think that I would have, I went back recently and watched in the interview with George Lucas

and he said his original ideas was to have the big three have like one last adventure together older. Would have definitely put them all on camera in the first movie? Definitely had them interact. Without a doubt. doing their stuff, have Luke having a full-on Jedi Academy,

seeing what it's been showing. Like, I always thought it was fascinating to see the rebuilding of the Republic and all that and not just do the same. Now there's an empire chasing after people, and it's like the empires, we saw that already. I think that it would, to see it thriving and to show, and what I thought I loved so much about, what I loved so much about Bloodline, Claudia Gray's novel,

was showing, it doesn't matter whether you think you're fighting on the right side of the bat said government can get corrupted on either side and the government and the politics of what was happening inside of the old republic i would like to see something like that the stuff with the twins i thought was really good from the old uh legend stuff so probably something along those lines what would you have chosen stuff uh yeah i would love the big three back together make uh fin a a jetti properly you would have still had fin though yeah yeah for sure yeah i would have john i could involve somewhere yeah way more involved in the third movie in the final movie,

maybe them to take down Kylo, like in there, the partnership, and keep Kylo bad. So you, but you would have kept, you would have kept all, you would, that type of story with the resistance and all that, you,

you, you, you, you want to, you would probably keep. Uh, it's hard to say, I would have to, I,

I haven't really gone into a big thought of what I would have done. Sure. I just know that what they set up in Force Awakens, I was good with. Yeah. And so if we're going off that, then that's what the,

what I would have wanted. What do you, you think, Mike? I would have not done anything what they did. Completely different. I would have had the big three, Jane and Jason. Yep. Teenagers. Yeah. Almost hit in 20s.

There's no empire. There's no empire. But there is a new bad guy that comes out. And they've got a, one last like, oh, we took care of the empire. Studying the Sith religion from the side. And then it's much more less politics, less armies and stuff, and more

just forces of nature. your villains. Like, and the Jedi have to come together. The Skywalker family has to take these last vestiges of the Sith on. You and I are on the same page on that one. All right. No lightsabers. That you need to go.

It's part of the Skywalker's socket. Right, right. You know who's that going to have a lightsaber? Tyca's stuff. Watch. We'll see. All right. Listen, this is the show.

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