The Kristian Harloff Show - WILL THE DCU SUPERMAN BE RELEASED IN 2024?! | Capes and Cowls | Big Thing

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

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The Rock talked about that. Everybody's talking about that. So why don't we talk about that? That's what we'll do today. Todd Phillips was rumored. You know, that guy, he made almost a billion dollars or a billion dollars with the Joker. I think I mean a billion dollars. Either way, apparently he was the one that was rumored to run DC and he turned it down.

See how true that report is. Diego Luna, you hear that guy? Well, he was rumored to play Reed Richards. Some schmuck asked him whether or not that's true or not. And we'll talk about his response in a moment. The Boom Studio segment, that'll be back. We've got some other Spider-Man 4. Is it ever going to happen?

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It's Caps and Cows. It's me. It's you. It's Winston. It's Coy. It's all of us. See in a second. All right, everybody, capes and cows.

I'm excited to have you all back. And Coy Chandrae is here. And Winston A. Marshall, guys, we are back. And I have to say, what a great show you guys put on last week. Thanks, man. Thank you so much, almost a 20,000 views on that episode, crushing it. For Zuma, less. Like, not bad considering.

I know, through stream yard, whatever. I mean, you know, we didn't see each other, is what I'm saying. But I'm glad. I'm glad that it was a great show. It was a lot of fun. and you guys really held it down, so thank you. It was a good show. Of course.

It's funny because I always try and, I always struggle with the stream yard videos. Not just because we're not there, but because my camera's here, but then y'all are here. So it constantly looks like I'm not paying attention. Oh yeah, dude. So like trying to force myself to look at the camera.

Right, right. Well, I got to do that sometimes on this camera. If I'm on with, so we do this one-on-one with patrons and stuff. And if I'm on a Zoom call, my camera, like if I'm talking to you guys, I'm talking here.

But like I'm watching people. I'm over here and they're like, why isn't this guy looking at me? Is there one new one? I feel like there's a new one. There is a new camera, but it's not. It's not live yet. No, we had,

so we had Diego Luna in here. And for some reason, one of the cameras kept overheating. So we wanted to make sure just in case that happened. You got another one ready to go. It didn't happen during the interview, thank God.

But it just feels more scopy in here. It does. Also, this place looks great. I know, no one else can see it, but this is like immaculate. I know, thank you. It is apparently purely because. Oh, 100%.

We're going to come. I'm back in January, and we don't matter. It's going to be garbage on the floor. No, no, no, no. It was because we were getting closer and closer. The whole point was to get to a place where we could have stars in, like Diego Luna, right? We're making a big push on, and again, I gave credit on yesterday's show, and I'll do it again here. Perry and Emmeroff made that happen because we had made it, we started, we wanted to work together again.

And we did our live streams, and she brought Mary Mouser in here a little while ago. And she was like, I need a studio. And I know, I heard you have a studio. And is there anything like a thing we could figure out? I go, why don't we just, I'll interview her? You interview her? And that's it. Yeah.

And she's like, can we do that continuously? I was like, yes. I was like, yeah. So then she's like, because Clyde doesn't have a studio anymore. Yeah. So, so, I mean, she and she's, and she's a really good interviewer. So she's just tired of not being in the room with people. Of course.

So I was like, yeah, you tell me who you want, you know. And she's like, and so I'm leaving last week. And she goes, hey, I think this is pretty silly question, but would you want Diego Luna? And I'm like, yeah? And then she's like, well, I'm pretty sure I can get them. And then I was leaving on Thursday to go to Solvang with my family for vacation. And she's like, they're offering Thursday and Friday.

Oh, no. I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Right. And I was like, the only time I could do is like Thursday morning, you know. And so she's like, let me see what they can do. She's like, they think Thursday morning's going to work.

But, well, I'll let you know. And I hadn't heard anything back. She's like, she's like, hey, they can't do Thursday.

I'm like, great. They're going to do Thursday. She'll have a Monday. Yes. I was like, well, no wonder he told us to kick rock.

Yeah. He's like, I got to get to go. No, no, no, it was. It was,

it was Monday. It was Monday where they, where they, then they set it up. We came in. And Brett, masterfully has set this place up. And we,

we agreed yesterday we're at like 80% right now because we still want to do we want to get rid of this table we want to get rid of this stuff over here and we want to kind of build it out a little bit more even the outside looks like a green room makes you know you know everything's kind of working well the publicist got a chance that he just sat down over here they chilled out Diego took a phone call in the backyard he was like it was like it was great and Nord laundering your backyard is amazing it was so funny it was so surreal but he but he was he loved it and he's just like this is amazing it's just relaxing it's great interview too thank you yeah and we'll talk about part of it. I said, and I knew how upset you would be

at me if I didn't at least ask him about the Marvel rumors. I mean, I think it's a good answer. I had to ask. I like his answer, too. So we'll get into that more, but we have, we got a lot. His silence. I know. Articles on the internet. I know. I know. Broke his silence. I know he was silent, but it broke. I know. Well, it was, his answer was pretty fantastic, but there's a lot to talk about and we'll, and we'll get into. Oh, yeah. There was one other story that it isn't news anymore, but you covered it on your

TikTok about, uh, Donald Glover as well. I know we were looking for stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's let's let's start with. hustler himself? Well, the first, the first one are... You see my 10-year dissertation on Childish's Spider-Man journey? Did you. Did it up?

I did. I timed it wrong. Everything I want to talk about here, let's, we're gonna, it's just so much, and again, I know we covered it a lot on big thing yesterday, but I didn't have the guys on to really break it down. And there's some new elements to everything that's going on in D.C.

right now. And James Gunn, I think, is, I think he's getting hammered for the, for the wrong reasons. Agreed a lot. I think, that, you know, anytime you come into this decision or role, he knew it. He said it himself, right? He said it himself inside of this post that he and Peter Saffron both knew that this was

going to be tough. And you knew you're going to get hammered on sides. But I think he's getting nailed before we even see the finished product. A shared universe has never ended. This is such a silly thing to be mad at. It is. People are mad at him for things he did not do. And I don't want to get into it again because we talked about it at a great length

yesterday and big thing. But then he's got stuff like with Ray Fisher going on, right? Like Ray Fisher went out. Dude, that Ray Fisher tweet is a lot. It's bad. So my thing, what I said to Winston about it, too, and, you know, again, I don't want to rehash it all the way through. But I don't take away anything that Ray Fisher went through on that set. And I think his fight is a just fight, and he should fight that fight.

And whatever he can, you know, his voice should be heard on that side of that. He was in the wrong in this tweet. I think his fight is justified. And I think he has been right up until this point. No, no, no, no, no. His fight. Right. But I don't think.

Gun has anything to do with this fight. Has nothing to do with it. And my issue was not with the fact that, like, he wasn't, the initial thing when James Gunn had liked Tudek's thing. And then Fisher's like, what are you doing, man? It's like, you like, and say, and Gun's like, whoa. Misinterpreted. Misinterpreted. I'm sorry.

My apologies. And there's screenshots of that. And then, but Ray Fisher's, sorry, cool, I accept the apology. Let's, let's move on. Gun auto deletes. Six months. And because of what happened to him in the past. Yeah.

Ray Fisher should have done that research before just doing what. everybody does on social media and just hits the thing and goes after him. And he's in a wrong on this one. He's got such big platform about being smart. He's got such big platform about doing his research and being smart about this exact thing. It's really messy that this time he didn't do the exact thing he's been good at so far. You're shaking your head.

You agree. I agree with you. I'm just shaking my head about the, I've been a very, very vocally supportive of Ray Fisher. And this just was a giant stepped in it. Like it just, because the problem is,

You lose so much credibility when you react without looking. And I get it because the thing is when you are dealing with trauma, when you're dealing with constantly being on the defensive and trying to call out things, you start to, I think the term is called, like, hearing zebra hoves. Oh, yeah, like, oh, the boy who cried wolf. Not necessarily the boy who cried wolf, but the idea of, like, you hear hoves, you shouldn't immediately think zebras, you should think horses first.

You know what I'm saying? So this idea that immediately thinking that James Gunn was trying to slight you, instead of again, talk, have a conversation. Or if not that, at the very least, make sure what you're talking about isn't the tweets auto delete.

Right. You know what I'm saying? It feels like the first time he reacted instead of responding. He's usually not responding. And that's what I'm saying. And that's why, like, again, this has nothing to do with everything

that he's gone. through because I think that as I said to you off air and I said on air I can't imagine being in issues I can't I can't imagine living his experience I can't but this is a different thing you went after you went after this guy without even having a conversation because you did what everybody else does and you go on social media and you just react without having a conversation well the other thing that makes it hard just again from somebody that also pushes back on a lot of this stuff when it happens constantly yeah um you really have to have something

because there are so many people who are anti you're just being woke or you're just whatever whatever you have to you cannot miss if you miss not only do you kill any idea of people taking that seriously you add to the narrative they immediately go see you're just overly sensitive about

nonsense and this is all BS and it's a lot of this other points it does and unfortunately like I think he still has way more of a fight to fight and the next time he actually puts a legitimate thing out that everybody's gonna go here we go here we go here he's he's now who's you going after now right and it's like and that's unfortunate because you know there's a lot that happened to him that sucks but anyway like i said i don't want to go too

far into it but it's just part of the drama that in general that um that gun and saffron are going into and there's there's a lot of stuff going on so this is just one of the reports and again comic book movie dot com. DC studio boss james gun he teases deathstroke plans and confirms future elseworld's projects whatever the hell that means once again address Pressing fan questions on social media, DC Studios co-CEO, James Gunn, has confirmed we can expect more Elseworld's projects. You guys got to explain what the hell that means, while also strongly hinting at a long overdue plans for death stroke.

All right. The new DCU is rapidly starting to take shape with the first project set to be announced by DC studios next month while James Gunn and Peter Safran are working, hard at work, excuse me, creating an eight to 10 year plan, which is interesting considering their deal is only, what, four years, that will finally give a proper shared universe. there's still some uncertainty around how the Batman and Joker franchises are going to fit into it. Now, after recently debunking reports that DC Studios is considering bringing Robert Pattinson's Dark Knight into the DCU, Gunn has now confirmed on Twitter that we can expect more Elseworld stories.

That means both R-rated franchises will be left alone to continue, leaving Matt Reeves, Todd Phillips, and DC Studios free to forge ahead with their prospective plans without any force crossovers. Batman wasn't rated R though, was it? No, but I'm wondering if this is an implication is something. With all signs pointing to everyone in the DCU being recast, don't be surprised if Peacemaker Season 2 falls under this Elseworld. Now elseworld, this is kind of like the multiverse. Yeah.

Blade as well. In other news, Gunn has also teased future plans for Slade Wilson, aka Destrook. So, the original plan in the DCU has been that Joe Mangano to follow his Justice League cameo with a lead role in the Batman after taking aim at Bad Afflix Dark Knight, DC's Terminator was set to appear in his own solo. outing from the raid director, Gareth Evans. Unfortunately, none of that would become a reality.

So we're guessing Gunn won't bring back Magnello, bringing back his links to the Snyderverse, but we can't wait to see what the plan is for Deathstroke and the DCU. All right, so that's part of it. There's a lot more to cover inside of this, but let's just start here. Sure. All right, this is Elsworld stuff.

So like Superman Red Sun is probably the most famous Elsworld. So imagine like the alternate reality. It's like Logan, basically. Yeah, there's just something like, this is your main storyline, and then it's like, so you can play. And I think that this is kind of what I was saying with doing a DC black label. Like doing an R-rated universe that's over here and then doing your shared universe that's here.

I think that's going to make them stronger than Marvel because then you're not waiting for everything to tie together. I think it's genius. And it's exactly like you said. The easiest way to think about it is a multiverse type situation. It just doesn't have any direct effect on the main story we're trying to tell. So it's this idea of exactly that. You want to, like, there is a famous Superman story that came out when Obama was an office where Clark was black and he ended up being the president or essentially being

Obama as well as being Superman. So like, is that Val Zod? What was his name? Neil before Valzad. But it's Obama? Neil before. Neil before Zod. I will rule you. Cal Harris? Can I place it? Calvin Harris is a guy. Like that doesn't matter right. It doesn't matter. Point is, is exactly that.

So it's this idea that, like, yes, Batman exists in this completely different universe, but it is the Robin Pattinson with Colin Farrell, all that stuff, versus, you know. So there'll be more of that. So, I mean, I get that. I understand that. I think it's a good move. I think it's smart. It's essentially what D.C. is doing now.

It's just, it's basically, we're doing exactly what we were doing, except instead of the DCEU, we're just replacing that with the D. And it's got a map. As opposed to before where they were like, we got an idea. Right. So the DCU is actually getting reconnected with these other elseworlds. projects, which is fine. I understand that.

It'll make you money. Cool. So the question then starts to become, are these remaining DCEU projects, whether it's Aquaman, Shazam, are those elsewhere projects at the moment? It seems like it would be. I don't, okay, do we know what the current release schedule is for everything?

Yes. As it stands, I think it's still Aquaman last. Yes. Flash in the summer. Blue Beetle, but weirdly between those two and Shazam and March. So Shazam is March. Yes.

and then Shazam. Shazam Flash. Flash Blue Beetle. Correct. That seems weird. Because Flash Point could end things nicely. That's what I'm saying. I think that moves.

That can be an easy bow to wrap up the DCEU and move into your next. Yeah. So that seems weird not to shuffle those. I know it sucks to keep shuffling dates. You almost want to do that one more time. You would think so. I mean, like the rumors are that Ben Affleck had a cameo. That cameo is gone out of none of that.

I don't think you can remove it out of the flashing. It's too big. moving at an Aquaman. The cameo from Henry Cavill in the Flash is apparently gone. And Galgado, as well. So, like, that's, yeah, all that. I mean, is there so much.

And that was then leading into that question to where I want to get your perspective of it is that there is the quote that, you know, because James Gunn has been on Twitter a lot. And my personal opinion is he needs to get off. I think that I like, I like how, I like how open he is with everybody. I like how he addresses everything and he wants to be, you know, just clear with everybody, and I respect that. He's got too much to do worry about checking his tweets right now.

He's got a... But anyway, my point is, inside of that tweet, one of the tweets, he wrote this whole explanation, not only saying, well, you know, we knew that all this kind of... the tough decisions we made, we knew that it was going to be met with backlash, basically. But the unclear thing that he said was when someone asked him a question about, like, oh, so it looks like everybody's getting recast except the suicide squad. And he said, that's not true.

not everyone's getting recast except the suicide squad. But he didn't say anything except those words. Right. So the question is, who is getting recast and who isn't? I think everyone that is directly tied to the Justice League gets recast, which means I think Shazam might be safe because it is, like that Superman wasn't Henry Cavill definitively.

You know what I mean? But he just, Gal Gadot, it seems like that he didn't seem, there was some, you think she's safe? It appeared that way on Instagram or something, something that he said.

that he wasn't getting rid of Gal or and then even the Patty Jenkins story wasn't that they wanted to not do that. They wanted it to play into their DC. And that was her issue. She had a plan and they had a different plan. I happen to think, and I'm going to shut up in a second, but I happen to think that the DC, that the plan, as much as I love Gal Gadot and all that, if you cut cavil, you got to cut everybody else because that's going to cause such a stink.

He's the golden boy. Like he's the one that the fans wanted back most. And again, I don't blame James Gunn because he's not the one that brought him back. Sounds like it was the rock. So like it, to me, James Gunn's getting yelled at because of something that he had no control over. He probably wouldn't have had him appear in Black Adam if he somehow had control a year ago. But I think the, and I personally just my, my perspective is that him being on Twitter is, is genius marketing for DC. I know he's got a lot of work to do, but we're talking about it.

I think every time he tweets, that's a lot of marketing DC could use. I just mental health wise. I just worry about him. Yeah. I get that too, but it also feels like he's, it is not. a I'm on Twitter all day. It feels like, okay, the president's going to speak for 10 minutes today. Ask your questions.

And it feels like he doesn't always go well when the president tweets. Oh, I don't know. Consider that your internet town hall. And that's still not helpful. But I, but I'm saying the idea that he, it seems like he's on there for about 10 to 15 minutes a day just to put out his statement, answer a couple questions and bounce to go do real work. You know what I mean? And I don't necessarily think that that's a bad thing, considering we continue to talk about how Zazlov continues to make decisions and not explain a damn thing or give warning. Right.

But again, though, it's like, but I think that I guess it's just because of my stance against social media at this point, right? Sure. I think that you can speak through your actions, right? You can speak through the material. But I think that it's Zazlov's actions spoke poorly. No, but I'm talking more about gun right now. Sure, sure. And it's like, it's like you put out the, like, you've put out.

movies that continuously make money. You put out TV shows that are continuously critically acclaimed. Let people bitch. And then put it out and they're either going to like it or they're not going to like it. But it's like I just worry what I think as a human being, the guy's working all day in the meeting. Let's say he's got a great meeting that he's just had and just put together his projects. And then he opens up his Twitter. Yeah.

And he just sees filth. I don't care who you are. It's going to ruin your day. So the fact that fired James Gunn was trending for so long. That's going to be the part where Saffron is probably like, I'm glad I am not the face of this. That's what I'm a co-chair here, but I... That's why I don't understand why Kathleen Kennedy

still wants to do this. Like the hate... Because she probably isn't on Twitter. That's true also. Real realistically, she probably is not on Twitter, but it's funny because I could not stop laughing. Somebody put out, when Fire James Gunn was trending, somebody put out some TikTok video about how upset they were

about Henry Cavill, and the first thing they said is, we can all agree that we were all excited about the future of the DCU, after Black Adam. I was like, were we, were we all really excited? I was like,

okay, I guess. I was like, come on now. Because it's always the same question. What's the plan? Right. And that's the thing

that I don't understand is that he's making a plan. At least there's a plan. It's the same thing that I've been waiting for Lucasfilm to do forever. Also, people did not show up to Black Adam.

The box office clearly states that if you are got, if you guys are the masses you claim to be, then where were you? They showed up enough. It said the problem is there was too much money to go into,

I mean, the movie made, what, 400 million dollars. But in superhero money? No, I know, no, I know. It didn't, it either lost money or it broke even or whatever the hell of reports. Sorry, you're 100% right. It didn't make the money it should have made. Yeah. But it's still, it's also because of the cost and everything too. And that movie shouldn't have cost as much as me. I don't, I don't disagree. I just, I just know that I was Mr. Black Adam and everybody was like, really, you like that. And I was like, where were you guys

if you wanted this shared universe? Because clearly the Rock was the guy that was going, hey, we're going to put this back together by By By By By By Byrne. He was, he was trying to be that guy. He was, so it's essential. And again, I'm not going to super politics, because I'm not given a left or right, but what it reminds me of, though, is what the Rock was doing is right now, the Democrats are trying to do everything they can until the Republicans take over the Senate in January.

They're trying everything that they can, and that's what the Rock was doing. The Rock is just like, the Rock's going to, wait, they're going to put somebody else in there. Because you said, by the way, what was before about... I guess you're going to go different, right? No, no, but you said just before about Henry Cavill,

like, you know, but that was a year ago. He, from what the rumors are, is that he shot that... In September. in September. But I'm saying, James, I'm going to shut that down a year ago. Like, you wouldn't have let that film. Right.

He shot that, like, four months ago? Yeah, man. And then they put it after Comic-Card. And they put it in the movie because they wanted it, because they just got the deal signed. So Gunn at this point is probably going, you know, as his negotiation, he's going. And now, like, even look like Josh Harwitz, who had the interview with Henry Cavill. And that interview blew up because everyone was so excited about that Cavill news.

And everybody's so excited he's coming back. And Cavill has this big smile at every interview he's talking about. James Gun and Safran, like, oh, this is going to kill us because we can't, because our plan doesn't involve this guy. Right. And it's like, this is, they're not stupid. They know, he knew that this was going to happen. They also know that their Superman movie has to be the next best superhero movie. It's got to be the best.

It's got to be the bar is so high. It's got to be so good. And that's got to be the one out the gate, arguably. Like, it kind of has to be. It really, it's true. And I'm thinking it needs to kind of get out like Christmas 2024. Like it's got to be, remember we talked a month ago. We had that pizza bed.

He's been writing. He's been writing. I think I win Joe's pizza by way of Smyrime. You might. You guys know. I guess the easiest way to answer this question is to do reverse Matt. How old is Chris Evans? Right now, I think he's probably 40.

He's 40. If I was to guess. So if 2019, if you were guessing that, so that's three years ago, so he'd have been about 37. So he would have been about 27, 26 when he first did First Avenger. He's 41, yeah. So he was about 26 when he did First Avenger. I bet you that's kind of. know what's happening is they have this idea of whoever

Superman is next to pull a 10 year tenure like Chris Evans did and that's why a cavil got cut in their mind. I don't think it's because they're anti-caval. I don't even think it's necessarily because they're, you know, have, like I'm sure they probably like it that they're like, 30. He was like 30 other time. He was 30?

Well, it came out in 2011, didn't it? Captain America, the first Captain America? I think it was 2010. I think it was two years after Iron Man. I think it was 2010. It must have been 11 because it would have been the year before Avengers. So that's only 11 years ago. Okay.

November 12. It's 10. I guess, okay, you would have been right at 30. Okay. The only reason why I asked is just that. I was trying to figure that out 2011, July 2011. I was just trying to figure that out because, like I said, we said Cavill's, what, 35, 36? Cavill is in his 40s as well.

He's in his 40s. So that's my thing is that I understand, you know, with Superman and everything, but considering Superman being a Kryptonian doesn't really age. No, I get it. Right, right. Sure. Look, I am very, I'm bummed that Caval's not coming back. I agree.

I'm really bummed about it because I wanted to see him. I don't think he got a chance to really shine in that role because I think he really understands the character really well. I think he would have been incredible. And I was looking forward to Amanda Stil too. That was like one of my most anticipated thing. I was like, they're going to run it out that way. They can make him a new part of it.

But I get it. He's Andrew Garfield. I think he's going to come back, like Andrew Garfield. I think Kingdomcom will be his no-a-home. Maybe, but I understand, but I really do understand if you're going to, but that's what, that's going back to the original part of the conversation. That's the tough part is that when they said no cavil, I'm like, all right, well, then they got to do a fresh reboot because if you don't do a fresh reboot,

and then Gallagadot shows up and Momoa stays in an aquaman, you're like, well, why did you get rid of Cavill? And then you have a stage of people, like I kept saying, what Hall H has to be this year is your Justice League on stage? And if half of them are people we've seen before, it's going to be messy for the other half. It's got to be a clean slate. You would assume, unless they're going to do, you know, else worlds.

Elseworlds with those characters. But why not doing Elseworld? With Cavill. Because they probably want to focus on it. It's so, it's, I do not envy them. At all. Dude. And all, it's so, like, you really got to, like, I just think that they should have just

blowing it up. Yeah. At this point, if you're going to cut Cabal. Have the movies come out, end up with Flashpoint. That's it. Rewrite the third act. I don't know if Ezra is allowed to film. Can I ask, do you, do you remember?

Do you remember? I mean, obviously we talked about this last week. Did they full on say he's not coming back ever? They said he's not coming back right now. At this point or something like that. That's what they said. That's why I think you're right. Either a kingdom come or an elseworlds down the line.

No, no, no. But I think they want to do another character with him. Not even, not even. I think it's too confusing and dare I say it, painful for a lot of fans. And the tease, if he comes back for one movie the way that Garfield did, because the difference is Garfield was, liked as an actor. Garfield was like, you know, Garfield's movies started to play the same way the prequels did over time, right? And there's emotional moments inside of those movies.

Henry Cavill was never, like, his never really disliked. Maybe people didn't love Man of Steel. I loved Man of Steel, but some people who didn't like it, but Henry Cavill was never the one, everyone wanted to see Cavill back. Everybody, like, when Garfield was gone and they brought in Holland, it was like, bring Garfield back, Marvel, you got rid of Garfield. There was none of that. Right. It wasn't this. I certainly don't envy whoever puts on the cape next. That's the person I'm most worried about it. Not even gun, like the face of it.

Right. But I'll be honest with you, I think part of the reason why nobody was never harping for Garfield like that over Holland is also because you're dealing with a completely different scenario. All of a sudden, Spider-Man is in the MCU versus just this is another Spider-Man reboot. If you reboot Spider-Man again, then you're like, why would you do Garfield like that? Absolutely. But you know, but I don't think that's going to change the fact. And the counterpoint to what I'm about to say is that the MCU is established, right? But like you are introducing a new Superman into this new thing.

What I was going to say is, there'll be enough time to heal it that people won't care. But I agree with Koi. I think they're going to get this thing out fast. And I think within the next two years, and you really got to cast this brilliantly. And you've got to make people, because people forgive fast if they love it.

Yes. And the second, there will be people who are just going in, you know, the normal people who are just going to go in to hate it. It doesn't matter if it's the best movie that was ever made. They're still going to hate it. But you got to, but you really have to.

to get the people that are like, I don't know, man, you're really going to win me over here. And it's word of mouth because you're right. You don't make a good movie on this one. And the first one out, no matter what it is. It's got to be great. And that's why Blue Beetle's in a really messy spot. Because Blue Beetle is coming out between two legacy films that may or may not count, but I think will be good films.

And as of right now, all of the diehards are rebelling against these two films blindly. And then Blue Beetle may or may not move forward. But also, Blue Beetle can't really kick off the universe. because it mentions Flash, I hear, and it mentions Fummas of the other characters. So how do you have something that ties halfway into the old one, tie halfway into the new one, and how does that movie get a chance to go forward?

Blue Beetle, I think, is right up there with Superman is in the worst spot. Yeah, I would say so. I feel for Zola. Well, it depends. It depends on how much of a standalone movie it really is, right? Because if it's a standalone enough and there's only a couple of references here and there,

it can still exist and you can still make a part of your DCU, if it doesn't tie in a, affect anything in a way. But would you want that to be your first? Not necessarily, but I mean, again, if it's, if it is, if it is a, it's a standalone thing where it doesn't, like, so the difference is like the Flash and Wonder Woman and Superman, these are all established movies and part of like the Snyderverse and part of these things that people already associate with something. Yeah. Nobody associates Sholo and Blue Beetle with anything yet, because you can establish this first story that comes out. It's just a standalone story as a thing. And then people can say,

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It's because the McDonald's coffee slowed you down. I was a little faster. That was it. But there's a couple. I mean, there's more inside of this. I mean, we could, we could, there's so many other stories, but there's just so much with this, all this. Well, like the fact that Justice League, Justice League unlimited and a whole bunch of others are now also getting told. Tell us.

Tell us that story. Dude, this is one of those things where like now this infinite fight I have with my girlfriend about about physical media is driving me crazy because I'm sure you saw, Kloy. They're pulling Justice League, Justice League unlimited. And I can't remember where the third reported thing is. They're all being pulled, but in January. Got to own it from HBO Mac. So now you need to go and buy that physical media copy because in your mind you're thinking to yourself,

oh, no, no, no, I'll be on the streamer, I'll be fine. And all it takes is somebody being like, nah, I'm good. If I love something more than a bee, I own it. I don't trust anybody. If it's better than a bee, which these are. And what's funny is she doesn't get it until I showed her this story, and then she got real quiet. And she was just like, right, just don't take up the whole damn second.

Oh, it's the whole house, dude. It's the whole house. Just what am I supposed to do? So what is getting rid of everything? I mean, it says another, why do you think they're doing that? Residuals. They do not want to have to keep paying people. Yeah.

That is literally. They're trying to save money, man. They're trying to save money at every corner. I mean, look, again, it's another one of those things where it's just like, you get the strategy. It's like, it's like, it's like, I understand the strategy now. Yeah, it's cold. But I understand the strategy. I'll be honest, I did a lawn order SVU check me out on TikTok.

I got so I can blur about selling your soul. And it was literally the idea. The whole, the whole thing was about a Rams fan who sold his soul. so the Rams could win the Super Bowl in L.A. And now the Rams are dog. And so it's the same issue. Cool. You're going to save yourself some money now,

but what are you losing in the legacy? What are you losing in people that are going to get fed up with you constantly doing this and not actually coming up with a counterplan? And what are you going to lose in Goodwill towards a brand? Absolutely. The brand itself is so sullied right now. Specifically beyond the fans, which is going to get with creators. You already have a bad taste of your mouth from the previous regime

about how you handled releasing these movies. And talent's already mad at streaming services for not paying them as is. Now you're cutting even more that they're already not making. No, it's a mess. You were building a lot of bad will. This town is like a powder keg right now.

Well, that's what I'm saying. It's not saying that money isn't all powerful. It is, but there is a point at which if you sell your soul too much for profit or breaking even or whatever, you are not going to have what you had beforehand. Well, there's always a way to, whether they bring it back or not,

but I think, you know, one of the things that would, like, Sony, is doing this so well. And I think the other studios are going to start to follow suit from this, especially Warner Brothers. Sony doesn't have a platform, right? So they're not, they're not beholden to, well, we got to release it here. We got to release it there.

Like, no, we got a product, sell it to Netflix. We got a product, sell it to Amazon. Got a product, sell it to Hulu, you know, whatever. Yeah. I think Warner Brothers needs to start doing that. I think that's what they're doing. They're going to start licensing out their stuff. They make more money.

Pull it three months. Get the demand back up, sell it to Amazon. That's exactly right. And that's what you need to do, I think, because they already made some deal, Warner Brothers with Amazon for something. I can't remember what it was, but one of their products they're putting on Amazon. I think that they can continue to do that

and make exclusive stuff for HBO, Max, when they have to and, you know, House of the Dragon and things of that nature. But I think that they need to start doing that because until these movies come out, like on the positive side of things, if, or optimistic, if you will, if the James Gunn-Peter-Saffern universe

becomes this mega thing that they want it to become and the first movie comes out. That's what they're waiting for. They're waiting for this. They're crossing their fingers going, okay, guys, trust your plan. Go for it. And if it's like, you know, then at the holiday party,

like we did it, as opposed to, you know, if this doesn't work, we're in trouble. Yeah, like we keep saying, that first movie. And I think that's why it's a 10-year plan on a four-year contract.

Yes. Is because if it doesn't work, then that plan gets scratched. That's right. Movie two. That's right. But if it does work, then they have leveraged.

Which makes total business sense. You're not going to sign someone up for a 10-year plan. It's a rookie contract with the fifth year option. That's absolutely right. That's exactly what it is. That's absolutely right. And it's like, okay, look, although the rookies, you know, have a, have a, it's even more so than a rookie. It says it's like an established, they got gun in his prime right now.

Yeah, they got veteran another team to come over. They stole them from another, from another franchise team. I'll put it to you this way. It still feels like a rookie because, sure, he's been a director and a creator. Right. He's a rookie GM. He's a rookie. GM or executive, you know?

So that was college for him. That was college ball was making these multi-million dollar movies and now we're like we're handing you a billion dollar industry, what you're going to do with it? That's right. As long as he's not Michael Jordan as an owner then he's, that's right. He was so good. He was so good.

He was he? He was a gym of a basketball team. He still owns the Hornets and they're just not. They're just not. He's never been a great. He's just not a good, he's not a good collaborator. Well, part of it too is that just because you are so good at one thing, I think what some people can get nervous about.

You know the game and you're really good at. You can't always translate it into other ways. So finding other talent or finding if someone has that killer instinct. But it relates to all this. It's collaboration. Yes. And it's a matter of like because Jordan, if you've watched that thing, and this all relates back to what we're talking about here.

But Jordan is someone who has always been Jordan. And he's the reason why he's as good as he was. And the reason why, rest of peace, Kobe was as good as he was, is because of their massive egos. And it's all about me right now. And when it's time for me to pass, I'll pass. When it's time for me, but watch this and watch how great I am. You can't do that in a situation like this.

Because I didn't know he had the hornets. Clearly, that's not the face of something. But it's not, and that's not. And that's why Saffron and James Gunn are together. And they were able to say because James Gunn wasn't going, I don't know. If I do it, it's got to be all me. He's like, I need Peter.

And Peter's like, well, I need James to do this. And that's why, look, this plan could be a disaster. It could be, he could put the Superman movie out. And look, I like James Gunn. I like what they're doing and I'm going to support the plan. But Superman's my guy. Superman's my, is your, like, Superman is the one that got me in the company. My dad taking me to Christopher Reeve movies and watching those movies as a kid.

I remember I have it somewhere. I don't know where the hell it is. I have a card that I got my dad that said, happy Father's Day. Like, you're the best dad in the world. Can we go see Superman three? Right. And it was like because I just loved those movies so much. I had Superman stickers everywhere too.

and all of it. And if this movie is not good, I'm going to go, that's what we're doing. And you know how critical I am on comedy. Yeah. And James Gunn's writing it. And I said, I think he should do Knights of Republics before the thing, because I think how much of a fan he is and what he can do. If there is that James Gunn over style, like over style to where,

you know, comedy style in Superman, I'm out. I think of Superman as having, you know, levity, but not James Gun comedy. Right. So I think he knows that. And he does. Yeah. It'll be very interesting to see how much you can take your own specific fingerprints off something that is still authentic. I think what will give you a better indicator because obviously James Gunn does serious stuff better.

Well, that might be a show first. That was amazing. The way you double took and then looked at it and then your brain has to go, oh no. The reason why is in the middle of my sentence, my watch got me. before the phone went off, because it's a reminder to take, it's a reminder to take my medicine. And so, like, I literally was like,

oh, God. Coin used to take his medicine, too, but it's just smack it over here, you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I got the whole thing faster. This is why, that was Exhibit A. McDonald's coffee slows you mouth. I think the real,

apparently, I'm sorry. No. Drinktrade.com, just speaking. I think the indicator will be because he's done plenty of serious stuff in the past. I think the indicator is Guardians 3. I think that might give you a little bit

of resolve just because knowing that this is an end and they've made it very clear. It's going to be emotional for sure. But Guardians is tough. Because Guardians it's required to have humor at this point. You set up, now, there's definitely going to be emotional moments. There's definitely going to be, from what I heard from Comic on, people were crying in

just the trailer alone. And I agree with you. There'll be a result. There'll be an ending, but there'll be a need for it because that's what the characters have called for. I get that. What I'm saying is if you just need proof that James can do it and do it for an extended period, I think this movie is going to still have its comedy, but it's probably going

to take that hard shift to more dramatic because of the ending. And knowing that, I hope that that gives you, if he does it well, I hope that gives you enough to have a little more faith for the Superman. I have faith right now. I have faith for it. It's not that I don't think that he can do it. I'm just saying that if it turns out that's what it is, I'll be disappointed. Sure, sure.

Do I think he'll be able to handle it? Absolutely. I think that any, and I don't think he, and I don't think he's writing it right now. He's been writing it for a little bit. I think that was part of the cell. I think the script was mostly done and that was part of coming into his job. I don't want him to be doing 100 things.

I think you're directing? You think he's in a direction? No, no, no. I'm saying I don't want him to because I think the script was mostly done when he attached himself to attend your plan. Right. I think he needs to focus on the plane. I agree with you.

I think if he's going to do it, I mean, obviously he's going to be an EP on everything like Fiky, but I think if he wants to, get involved, write it, and then you can be like a more hands-on producer for it, but let someone else direct it and then just step back for a bit. Yeah, and say, look, we have our planet where we need this to go with Superman. We're establishing this. We're establishing, you know, his time at the Daily Planet and what he's going to do.

But I couldn't agree with you more. It is bad for saffron and gun right now, but it is going to be a thing for the person. Yeah, man. Who's behind that curl? It's got to be an unknown and that's even more stressful. Yeah. I think that I think you have to give it to an unknown. I mean, or someone who's or someone who's little.

Or someone like young and on the rot. Like Henry Cavill. Remember, Henry Cavill was up for the role for Superman when Brandon Ralph got it. So that, he was in the running for a long time. He was in, who was that? I was thinking maybe it's too small and not the right fit. I don't say Taryn Anderson, but.

Nah. He's a, he's Wolverine. And he's, and he doesn't have that. He doesn't have a look for it. I think that he's, but I think, and he's, and he's, And he's well more. A little bit of a pretty boy side of you. Sure.

But I, yeah, just he's, and he's not, and he's smaller. He's way too small. He's like, well, he's like five, ten. But still, you want him to be, you want him to be, you want him to be Superman. Yeah. And there's, there's tons of people out there. And I saw somebody, I can't, I don't remember the guy's name, but I saw somebody when people were like, this should be the next person. And I don't even know who it was.

I don't know if they can act. Just blindly or like I see it. I said, that guy looks like Superman. Yeah. I said, I don't know if he can act. Yeah. I said, I have no idea, but that guy, did you figure it out? No, I didn't, I just saw it.

It was one of these. 30 seconds later, no, right. I just figured it out in my head. But it was just one of these pictures. It was just one of these pictures. And I just pointed right away and I go, that guy looks like Superman. Superman more than most characters, the iconography is really important. Because Batman wears a mask, Spider-Man wears a mask.

Anyone can wear the mask with a lot of these characters. But Superman is on stamp since the 40s. Like there's a thing to us with him. And I think that's going to be different and really hard for anyone to play. Yep. Because Henry Cavill is Superman. 100%. All right. Some other things, though, too, because I said, there's so many new stories when we can barely even touch on. January's going to be exciting, guys. I thought the year kicked off

in February, but now we got so much hype. I got some more. So, well, Zach Levi, this is, let me, I'm going to also talk, I'm going to go into two things here. James Gunn on why studio appearance won't be an issue, and the position is different than it was with Zach. So we're going to go with two things here with Gunn, and then we're going to transfer into this, this story with Levi. So this is what James Gunn says about, it's fair to say, this is, this is comic book movie again. And it's fair to say that Warner Brothers gained a bit of a reputation for studio or interference over the years, particularly when it came to DC-based movies. Though every studio is guilty of it to some extent,

W.B. reportedly, butchered David Ayers, suicide squad to the point that it was almost unrecognizable to the film that he originally shot and don't even get a started in the Justice League debacle. Here we go with, anyway. Though certain things that have been exaggerated or blown out of proportion, many fans feel that the previous Warner Brothers regime is to blame for DC's failings. I agree. So how do you recently...

So how do recently appointed DC Studio Boss's Gunn and Safran plan to mitigate the potential minefield as they oversee the new DCE era? Basically, they won't have to. Gun said to a fan on Macedon that there's no need to worry about WBD execs overriding his decisions by making it clear that things will be working a little differently on his watch than they did back in the Snyder era. The position is different than it was with Zach. Peter and I are the heads of the DC Studios. The only studio interference would be from us. A recent, that's why these fire gun, the hashtag is silly.

The only person that could actually fire him is Zazlov. He's the only one. No, there's not like this whole thing of people that could do it. And the funny thing is, is you know what Zazlov has made very clear despite how much we have been complaining about him? You don't give up what you think. So a recent report, and that certain execs have expressed concern

about guns' lack of experience in this sort of role, tough, who cares, it doesn't matter. He's got a deal, eat it. Whether that's true or not, he has appeared. to have taken a lot of responsibility. As Sting's stand, it looks like a full reboot is being implemented, although Gunn hasn't outright confirmed it. We know that Henry Cavill and Duane Johnson are out.

Yeah, but that's not true, because they also said that Dwayne Johnson could potentially come back as Blackout. That was a confusing thing. Well, that says for the time being anyway. Yeah. So now here's this, but we're waiting to hear from the likes of Galgadot and Moa. Now, Zach Levi indicated this. So a reliable source recently indicated that Zach Levi was done at Shazam,

and the Fury of the God Star has now taken to Twitter, to share his response to the rumor. Zach Levi seemed pretty confident that his pals, James Gunn, and Safran wouldn't, excuse me, would allow his tenure to Shazam to continue in the new DCU during a recent interview. But a report from a mostly reliable insider

suggested that the actor would be joining Henry Cavill on the Cape Superhero Unemployment line. One of Levi's Twitter followers expressed their disappointment that he might be leaving the role and he responded with the following. Ooh, I really wouldn't go believing everything you see in the internet. I'm Gucci, Ash, we all Gucci. So as far as Levi is concerned,

he is very much still on board as Billy Bats and Shazam and seemingly expressed to remain in the role post-fury the gods. Gunn hasn't addressed Levi's future, specifically, but he did appear to indicate that not everyone from the DCEU would be recast. At least that's what we think he meant. So perhaps really is safe. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what did you keep going on?

I didn't know what I'd say in a ship say. Oh, or is he having a storm. No, this is this is just. That's an old. I got it. No, no, I get it was old. I just didn't ever said it.

But I didn't see that tweet. And oh, no. I'm so sad as a legacy tweet. Like that's so five years ago. Well, that says December 14. 2017. 2017.

Meaning right when Fox and Disney murder. Right. She said, y'all, really acting like this merger means they're recasting. Poor shit. Yeah. Yikes. I can see this exactly 50-50.

On one hand, you got to sell a movie that's about to come out in February. Right. On the other hand. Great point. Like, I mean, every one of. Everyone on the internet's like, I'm not seeing it. It's not connected. What do you got to say to sell a movie?

That's out in two months, three months. So it's exactly right. You could see the meeting where guns are going to be like, okay, look, we're going to try to figure some stuff out. But we don't want to say anything that you're not coming back yet because that's going to hurt the box office. But at the same time, David F. Sandberg was just seen wearing the new DC logo. Yeah. They just had Ash, Angel, Asher Angel, do an interview and he's wearing the new WB hat. Zach's saying this.

I could also see on the other side. other 50-50 is they very consciously didn't tie the first Shazam into the universe. They could maybe have rewritten and retooled Shazam too because it's gotten delayed 72 times to not tie in and this could be a conscious else world. So I would love like Shazam is probably my favorite of the kind of shared universe. Like the Batman's my favorite of the D.C. modern but like Shazam's up there. I could see it continuing on. I hope it continues on.

But it's not going to be said until the movie's out. It's such a crazy thing too because, Rob my Red brought this up on Campy show the other day And that's so this Let's say Aquaman The first Aquaman made a billion dollars Now will the second one make a billion? Probably not

But if it does What do you do in that in that point? Because it's like you know if you have Listening to me is that why you started giggling But what would be the billion dollars? No no no no just the fact that everything you said I was giving a verbal response like Mm-hmm

Just like quietly like peanut gallery But it's true right So if it makes a billion dollars and you're saffron at that point, and let's say Shazam. She's the first shit that's did okay. It did good. It did good for the amount of money that it could. You look at the difference. When it came out, budget, et cetera.

But that's what we just talking about Black Adam. Right. That movie probably didn't make it. It probably made just as much as Black Adam. But it didn't cost. Right. And so the rock not showing up in Shazam 2 might have just saved Shazam 3. It's also from the standpoint of it.

I think people already sort of knew this. But if you needed a. reiteration that you can't just use a movie star to sell a movie anymore. Like there are rare, there are rare instances, but I think the thing that sold Guardians more than anything about this idea of who are these people is this has a bigger implications for the MCU, whereas the Rock trying to be like, I'm the Rock, I'm taking a character and I'm taking over the DCU. And I will, I single-handly will launch this, but people go, what the hell is this?

I hate saying this with the Rock because I love the Rock. I do. But when he, now when you look back at it in hindsight, you know, him saying, he pretty much was making a push that he was going to,

like, run the DCU. It's like when that porn star, Mary Carey says he's running for president. Oh, you know what I mean? So dark. But it was,

but it was, but I mean, dark. And I love the, I love the rock. I love the rock. But it was just like, yeah,

I'm going to, it's like, I'm going to be president. It's like, all right, you know. And not long after he was running for president, according to a lot of people.

Right. Right. And I hate saying, look, I love the rock. Yeah. But it's just like that was, you're making this. He's one of the last movie stars. It's just movie stars aren't what movie stars are. Like, that's a really good point because like Tom Cruise couldn't start the dark universe.

No. The mummy, do you know what I mean? Like movie stars aren't universe stars. The characters are. Because I would even make the argument at this point, Top Gun Maverick didn't do what it did because Tom Cruise. It did because Tom Cruise was in the original. And he made a good movie.

And he made a good movie. 100%. You put all of those together. It had nothing to do what Tom Cruise is doing. Tom Cruise didn't. Jack Richard didn't make a lot. of money. Mission Impossible and Top Gun are established brands at this point. But they're also established. It's not good. Legacy is part of the soup, but it's still really

good soup. No, no, no, I agree. Yeah, because there's only so long because Vin Diesel doesn't go out and make so many different movies that crush all the time. Fast and Furious is a brand. That soup's starting to get a little salty. Right. But it's still making money. Right. And I think the Rock is really good at those movies. I love the Rock movies, but I think the Rock starting a franchise isn't what he Because I would even make an argument. I understand that the Rock and Kevin Hart being like best friends in the industry and all that stuff. Maybe in like real life and they have good chemistry on screen. I would even argue that the Jumanji movies, I would even argue the Jammany movies, you again, you already had the brand there.

And then you put the stars in. And then because it was good, it did work. That's why I, and I, the full quote of what Quentin Tarantino said, right? Did you hear that? Yeah. And it was taking out of contact. It was completely taken out of context. I didn't hear it.

Because in the essence of what he's saying, he was on Stern, and he said along the lines that it's not Robert Downey Jr. that's selling that movie. And they're not, Iron Man. Robert. Yeah, Robert Jr., that's selling Iron Man.

He's not the movie star that's selling it. It's like, they're not the stars. It's that Captain America was the star for me. Not Chris Evans. It's that Thor was the star, not Chris Hemsworth. It made them stars. But it's like,

But it's not, they were not the person like the movie. It's essentially what we were just saying is what he was saying, but it made it the way that. He said it more aggressively. He said it more aggressively. And they took it out of context. But I knew what he was trying to say. And basically what we just said,

it's that you could like, what we just talked about Superman. Like if you could, you could put in the biggest star in the world in Superman. They're going to see it because they want to see what the next Superman movie is. Yeah. And so if you get some unknown who becomes a star because of Superman, he became a star because of Superman.

And he might have done a great job. Like the best Superman ever, you never know. But they're going to see the movie because of Superman. I agree with what he was saying. He just said it in a different one. The proof of it on the flip side of it is, even though you were the one that convinced me that Robert Pattinson was actually a very good actor,

the number of people that were so anti-Rober Pattinson because of Batman, but they went to go see Batman because it was Batman and he had to crush. That is your proof. Right. And it's like, well, I don't know. I don't want to see it because of that guy. And I, that conversation, remember that Kyle Live?

I'm just like, dude, I'm telling you, because you hadn't seen his other work. And so you just automatically thinking, well, that's not only... And the people that had were excited, but they're not the masses. Like, you know, the people that see the indie work of Roder Passes that aren't the $100 million that needs to open them. He had to win them over through his... Like he did with Winston.

He had to win him over with his performance. So anyway, there's so much... They're speaking again, once again on all this DC stuff, because that's really what it comes down to. And this is, I mean, this is more so animated stuff, but... Well, that image is. But DC Studios head honcho, again, James Gunn reveals when the first DCU projects are going to be announced. DC Studio CEO James Gunn and Peter Safran are believed to have pitched their 8 to 10-year DCU plan to Warner Brothers.

But when will we finally get to see what it looks like? The filmmaker has an answer. James Gunn and Peter Safran only started working last month, but they've already faced more than their fair share of controversies. After a decade of inconsistency and poor planning on Warner Brothers part, the DCU is in such capable, hands that have been welcomed by most comic book fans. They are, however, many people unhappy with decisions, like putting Wonder Woman 3 on hold and ousting Henry Cavill from Superman. It is what it is, but you can understand why those frustrations exist.

The Rock brought Cavill back as the Man of Steel and promised his sizable fan base that they were getting everything from Black Adam to the Hawkman. Now none of those projects are likely to see the light of day. How much of Gun and Safran's eight to ten-year plan will we get to see is hard to say, especially when a single flop could panic Warner Brothers interchanging course, which was essentially what we just said on this show. With that in mind, we're guessing the studio won't reveal the entire slate as they did back in 2014. Eight years later, we're still waiting on the flash.

Now, Gunn has taken to Twitter to confirm that we'll learn at least a few of the upcoming DCE projects next month. Did you guys know this? Yeah, January. We heard rumblings that news might be coming in January, but at least now we know it won't be a full slate. Whether these projects are movies, TV, shows, video games, or a combination. All remains to be seen. Gunn's Superman movie has already been confirmed, of course, and we're hoping we're whatever is revealed offers some clarity about when the DCU, where it is going,

and whether all those actors are really being replaced. There's also no word on if this news will drop on social or some sort of online presentation. All right. I only knew because I read this to pull the story. Well, look, I mean, so that's the question. I actually think the biggest part of this is the last part of it. What do you guys think it's going to come, if it comes in January, is it a James Gunn tweet? or do they do something along the lines of what Fikey does?

A mini-fandom. Do you think so? An actual presentation. I think this is way too big to be small. I think they need to make a statement. I think they need to carve out. This is an unprecedented announcement. They're ending a universe while it's still airing.

They're launching a new thing that has to be quick. I think we get three movies minimum announced. And I think that we get the first one in December of 2024. I think those four movies roll out. They take the money they can. They recoup the budget. I'm seeing all them because I want to support the artist that made those movies. But they also know they have to start this.

universe ASAP. I think they have a tenure plan. They map out the year one to show they have a precedent. I don't think it's December 2024. I think it's summer 2024. No, it's too, it's too close, man. But not if, not if the script is almost done. Yeah, but the script, okay, so the script is almost done in 20. And you're already casting in January. Okay, but it's casting. You're getting, getting a movie out that fast. But that's what I'm saying. If it was part of their pitch, we're like, we're pretty much done with this first script and this is what we're going to do and this is what we're thinking. Traditionally, in time like this, two years is hard. I understand that, but I thought two years was including pre-production. I'm saying they technically, I think that was part of their

pitches. They were already in, this is what we're going to do. They've done a lot of that legwork. TV traditionally can get things out in a year because they're constantly in post-production and putting things out week to week. So like, for example, like, you know, like if Andor starts shooting today, if they wanted to get out, they won't. but if they wanted to get out of episode one by the end of 2023, they could because all the other episodes are going to be consistently working and then every week because of television and the schedule. But with film, you don't have that luxury.

That's essentially the first episode, you know? I would 100% get that. I think the only thing that then pops into my mind, I know you don't want to rush anything, but this is one of the biggest slates for Warner. You are out of movies after this coming year, So what do you do? You're going to wait until December of 2024?

I think you have to. But if it's rushed, then you... Oh, I know. But that's why I thought in my mind, because, like you guys said, they've had this plan and this script had already been worked on. But a script being done is different than saying,

well, here's our director. We've got to get... You got to negotiate with the director. Then you got to re... If it is Superman, then you got to cast Superman. Then you got to cast lowest. Then you got to cast all these people. Then you got to get into production.

Then you got to do locations. There's... Now, if you're... If they've already done all that. I think Superman's cast. You think so? I think Superman's cast. I think the director's attached.

But I think they announced that in January. I still don't think that means the movie's out in the summer just because maybe the previs is done. No leaks. No leaks on that? It just, I mean, it's been a month of James Gunn. Like,

I think James Gunn came with Superman. Snyder would be all over that. I'm not even kidding. I'm not even kidding. But I'll be honest with you, I would not be surprised if all of that was happening. And the way that they pulled that off. again, not to pull politics into it,

is that the one thing Trump was really good at is smoke screens. You're paying attention to the nonsense on Twitter and you don't see what's actually happening. I would not be surprised if Gunn keeps engaging on Twitter, if all of this back and forth, cavil, all this stuff, is because they're genuinely working and working. Oh, I think they're working. I know, no, no, no, I know,

but I mean, like, to the point where they could pull something by summer 2024. I think it is too dangerous to do it in summer. I think it is way too dangerous. I think that even like, because remember, the Force Awakens was supposed to come out in May of 2015. And they announced it in like 2013 or something, or maybe even later. Sure.

And they said that we're going to get it out in May. And Jage is like, I don't have enough time to get this out in May. And I think moving it shows weakness. I love the idea that they're so far along that maybe all the post-production is in pre-vis stage, so they've got the movie mapped already, because I could see that happening. I just worry that like with,

I know right now post-production houses are still inundated with work to the point where you can't hire some because it's like they're already so far ahead. My issue would be the concern of visual effects not being done to the standard. Well, that's a good point. But I think December, I think December could be a possibility

if you already have attached Superman and the director secretly. I think that's the thing that is actually throwing me off and you're right, it's the visual effects. It's not the rest of the movie. I understand what you're saying, Christian. The rest of it, I think would be fine. You're exactly right about the visual effects.

I forgot about that. Like render. Render. That's all part of it. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I know, but I'm saying four, like you said, with any of these superhero films, any stuff like that,

that is the thing that slows you down more than anything. Sure, yes. And that's what I mean. It's all the, it's everything that goes into it from the editing, from the director from reshoots. Like, that's the other thing is reshoots. There's always reshoots on movies because the location wasn't available at the time

that we needed it, but we really needed that location. So we had to go back. So-and-so didn't look the way we needed them to look in that thing, so we need them to do that. We missed that pickup shot, that wide shot. We need to get that. Also, Superman gets COVID, and the movie shut down for three months.

That's what I mean. And so if you put yourself and say, we're ready, we're going to be out in May of you are handcuffing yourself. So, I mean, I honestly think December 2024 is still super soon, but I get it because of what Winston's saying. If they had a year blank, they're true. You got to get something. Plus, the deal will almost be done for those guys. And you got to get that movie out. Now, what I think that they might do inside of that announcement is Superman comes here. Another movie comes in like May of 2025.

And then another movie comes in December of 2026. That's the three I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. I think Christmas, summer, Christmas is mapped and announced. And then at Comic-Con, they have people come out for the Christmas, for the following, as well as they're announced. And don't forget about the TV aspect. We know that we also, you know, I think Gun's going to take a page out of Marvel with the D.C. stuff on, except I think Marvel's putting out too much right now. I think that D.C. could do something where we were getting the Penguin series already know that.

We're also doing a television show that's going to connect to this. to connect to that, HBO Max. So there's so much. And that's just, guys, I mean, we, we, we. All January, we were talking about us. We had so much planned out. I do want, I have one more story I want to talk about. Before we do that, I want to tell you about our friends over at Boom.

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As I mentioned, I'm so excited to have them on the show and have them be part of it. Our last bit of news, Todd Phillips, yeah. Todd Phillips at one point, by the way, It was Winston said he was rumored to be the guy to take over. And he turned it down. I'm glad that he's turned it down. He wasn't the right guy for that job. He's, I mean, I'm not, I love the Joker.

I love that. But he made it as a counter superhero movie. He's not the guy to make the movie if he's making the counter movie. I mean, James Gunn and Safran are like really fans of this stuff. They love this stuff. It's also from the standpoint that Gunn feels like the type of, and Safran feel like the type of people that would, relish at the idea to run a studio.

Todd Phillips feels like the type of person, I'm gonna do my one thing that leave me to F a phone. Let me alone. And that's why I think him and Joaquin works so good together. And that's why I think he was able to... They're both counterculture.

They're both a rebellious dudes. And I think that's why he also convinced, he was able to convince because Joaquin didn't sign up for Dr. Strange. He was locked in. And he's like, I don't do one of these. I don't want to do all this.

But Joker too with Lady Gaga is all countercote. Like that's a long swing. Todd Phillips, I like, I loved Joker. I think Todd Phillips has... There was another movie he did with What was it with Jonah Hill and who was it? War dogs, Miles Teller.

And Miles Teller. Yeah. Good movie. Another counterculture. All of that's very against the green. You don't need that for DC. Project X he produced. That's a movie that like ended party movies because it was so insane.

That's right. So this is the last one I want to talk about here with Diego Luna. Just a little shameless plug here. Diego Luna breaks the silence on the fantastic forecasting rumors. This was the direct. And Andrews Diego Luna has dressed publicly of joining. joining the MCU and rumors he may be in contention to play Fantastic Four as Reed Richards. After being introduced to the Star Wars Galaxy as Cassie and Andor in 2016's Rogue 1, Luna reprised his role in Andor.

The prequel adventure proved to be an instant hit with critics and fans becoming regarded as some of the best content in the sci-fi franchise. Part of the acclaimed stem from Luna's excellent performance, which even earned Star Wars its second ever Golden Globe. Scooper Wee gets some toast previously hit that Luda might be in the actors in consideration to play Reed Richards. And while the actor is currently busy at Andor season two, while we'll be filming until August, he addressed some of the chances. So speaking to me, Andor star Diego Luna responded to questions. And he said that being part of the rumors is incredible, the number of claims that he's been entangled in. I just like I was talking about that this morning with the rumors, when you become part of the rumors, half of the rumors were real. You know, it's just incredible amount of stuff that I see out there.

The only thing I can tell you is that the next two years, I'm busy. in two years, we'll see if I even want to do film. Okay, so Kristen, Christian. Yes, take me to the airport. I hate you with all right. Is it true? Is he playing? Is he playing Reed Richards?

Do I think he's playing him? I don't know if that question has been answered yet. Do I think that he was being coy, no offense? And I think it's being coy and, and, wait a, and. and popped up on too much coffee. No, I think that I think he was being, you know, he was being elusive.

And I think that he has definitely had meetings. I think that, and there's nothing to do with race, it has nothing to anything else. I don't know if he's the right person for the role, to be honest with you. Because, and like, the matter, like, they can cast whoever they want as far as nationality and all that.

For me, I think the character needs to be younger. Diego Luna is another one we were just talking about Deagle was 41 years old or whatever he might be and I think he's a great actor and I love Diego and I think he's phenomenal as Andor I just think that I'd like to see them cast younger because Fantastic Four is one of those Carrick, Ree Richards, all of them

they have not been done right yet Tim's stories are just popcorn you know cotton candy The other one. Yeah, yeah, well but I think Black Adam has done a little I like Black Adam better than those movies But either way, because the people are going, oh, you shouldn't be Latino, stupid.

Jessica Alba was already cast as Sue Storm, so stop this. It has nothing to do with it. I just don't know if he's necessarily the right person for that role, maybe the different role. But I think that, I'm curious where you guys stand, where do you think that A, Diaglino fits into it and B, should the character be younger because they haven't been established yet?

My only thing with that is that Reed, in most cases, is always kind of portrayed around, Diego Luna's age. It's not that he's not young, but the idea, even when they go up into space, he's kind of late 30s, early 40s, like about ready to marry Sue pretty soon. Then I have to negates my point. Johnny, that's the young one. Johnny's in his 20s.

Okay. Well, then it gets my point. Yeah. But I understand what you're saying, because again, whoever you're putting into this, you're a long-fitting five to 10 years. That's what I mean. And so what, that's why his answer to me when he said, like, I don't even know if I want to be around and film at that point. That sounds like a not happening.

Two years is like you're going to be filming the next 10. So unless that's very consciously saying no to mislead us, that seems like that's not going to happen to me. Because like the Fantastic 4 is going to be a forever rollout. Like that's a long time. And if he doesn't want to necessarily be filming, which I understand, like it's great to be known for a character

and then get to just take a couple years off. And that sounds like what he kind of wants to do. It also is one of those things that once you've got one mega franchise, you don't necessarily want to do another. And with Andor being as successful as it is, he might just be like, no, no, no, I've got my thing. I'm good. So I think this.

I don't think he's going to be cast as Reed Richards, but I do think he's going to be cast in a Marvel film. I think there's more roles down the road for him to play. I think they really, I mean, just speaking to the guy, he's just so chill and he's so laid back. And from everything I've heard, he's just a, he's a treasure to work with. He's a really brilliant actor.

He's interesting. I love him as Cassie and Andrew because I keep like being like, I want to get hit. I like that he's a puzzle. But that's what I said to him in the interview. I said, look, I love Rogue One. But the main reason I was intrigued by Cassie and he's, casting Andrew at all in that movie wasn't necessarily because the character was because of him.

I'm interested in the character now, also because of him, but the character is so developed now in the show. But I'd like to see him, and he also, he's directed a handful of things. And I asked him that if he wanted to direct Andor, and he was episodes of it. And he was just like, you know, it's too hard for me to try to do both things. And I don't, it's not something I want to do it. No, he just doesn't, he doesn't think that you're able to commit the same way. again totally depends but athletic is an example where I think you can

it just some people he could be it could be that he would be a wonderful director if he wasn't acting and I think that's what he was insinuating and I think that like but it looks like he's his passion might be there right and also the commitment of what he wants to do I don't know but I don't think that he's going to be cast as Reed Richards and I also think

wherever they go with that's another one don't you think that that one they would already have locked in. Oh, yeah. Right? That's cast. I guarantee it. I think the movie's already in, like, they're maybe not filming, but that movies already

in whatever production that it could be in at this point. Not with a game plan like this and everything that's moving forward. If you're already ready to drop, you know, what will be secret wars and Kang invasion and all that stuff, that stuff is far into its trenches, which could be with him saying, I'm so busy for the next two years. We got to see. I still don't, I agree with you. I don't necessarily think that that's him affirming it.

But it could be, yeah, I'm busy with Andor, but I'm just not going to say that I'm also shooting Fantastic Four. Right, right. Well, and then the last thing before we jump here to that I wanted to talk to you guys, I'm speaking of Fantastic Four. They're rumors, and I don't agree with these rumors, but that Fantastic Four could show up in Ant Man quantumania. It's possible. I think a potential of them being mentioned, like the way Dr. Stranger was mentioned in phase two or whatever it was, I think that's possible.

but I think that the reason I bring that up, Peyton Reed had a conversation on an interview where he said that he wanted to make sure that this movie was an Avengers level film. He said like the last two have been like kind of pallet cleansers which he was cool with but this time he, you know, the not literally kicked in the Kevin Feigy door to say, hey, we want to really make an impact on this one.

From everything that we're hearing about it, the way that the trailers looked on whether it's D23, Comic-Con, even the teasers that they put out. I feel like he is going to accomplish that. But Winston, what do you think? I mean, I think there's plenty of room for you to, if you want to do that, you maybe don't put it in the film directly,

but you got mid-credit and post-credits, if that's how you want to- Fantastic for it. But what do you think about his comments as far as, like, this being an Avenger-level movie? I think it should be. I think that you already had a situation where with Ant Man in the Wasp...

Just watched that last night, by the way. What did you think again? Same feeling as it last time. It's one of the weaker MCU films. It's got... There's some great stuff going on in it, but there's some really... The thing that I hate the most about,

like, whether it's Thor, Love and Thunder, or some of the Guardians, they go for the joke sometimes too much and say sacrifice the plot. Like, I think Luis is great. Michael Payne is great. But a lot of the time... Like, none of the...

Like, at one point, him and T.I. and David Desmondson, they didn't even feel like real characters. I mean, it's like comedy characters. I think, I think what makes it more of a problem for me. And, like, even though I've since come around a little bit with Love and Thunder is at least you had bored of balance something. You always loved Love and Thunder. I've come back. You come back to loving it. No.

Oh. I've stepped off a little bit. Oh, have you? The fact that I still haven't rewatched it. I can't. Every time I think to sit down. You gave me some S.H. for that. I did.

No, no, no, but it took time. It touched me. It took time. But all I was going to say is, ghost was just, throw away. And that's what makes that movie suck for me. Is that like, I have no reason to care about the villain.

And you know what she does a lot? And it's not her fault. The way she was directed, I think, by Peyton Reed. She does the typical villain chase face that I can't stand. When you get knocked down and you do this. Coming right after something. Every time. Chase face.

It's a chase face. And like they do the chase face all the time. And I can't. And she does it like six different times. The main reason I think Fantastic Four could pop up is Peyton Reed's favorite team, favorite heroes in the world are Fantastic Four. But that's Sam Ramey Spider-Man. He loves the Fantastic Four.

I can see part of the conversation of him doing this movie to the scale was I want them to be introduced. And there is a world where they're trapped in the quantum realm and they're stuck there from the 60s and then they can do a fish out of water storm. And it's just that. It's that Kang. Kang has two main opponents, and it's typically not Hitman. It's the Avengers,

and it's the Fantastic Four. I can see it really working. Especially because there's also this idea, is Kang, an ancestor slash descendant of Reed Richards or Dr. Doom or what, there's this like constant back and forth. So it's a lot.

All right. Look, we had a major, major episode here, too. A lot of stuff. Look, the D.C.

stuff is going to give us stuff to talk about for a bit. Now, I know this is not comic book related, but look at that. That's right, power on. Power on. I ain't never heard no Lysaber say power on. This one, Dave.

It changes colors. Yeah, I'm going to give you a little. I'm going to give you a little breakdown on this one in a second. I'll go a little, I'm going to put a little piece into the video, but I'm trying to get it to the red. And that's, I turned it into the red saver. This thing I show, there it goes, go. I just don't know if it's showing up on camera.

It's not showing up, it's not showing white. It's okay. But, shut up. So this thing I'm going to tell you guys all about it. this thing where I got it from. But I lit it up my show my little five-year-old. I go, Macy, don't go inside you. Look at this.

And I lit it up in the back of what you. And then she gave me chase face. But let me tell you a little bit about where I got it from. Damien Saber. That's right. They reached out and they said, hey, man, we know you're a, you know you're a Star Wars guy. And man, how would you feel about getting one of our lightsabbers? I said, I don't know, man, I've been offered these lightsabers in the past.

You know, what's different? And they said, well, let us show you. What do you like? And I said, I don't know. I'm looking around this site, you know what I saw? There's some great ones. There's some good ones here. There's that Luke Sabre Force.

There's the heavy dueling Yoda one. There's the mall one. They're a lot of great ones. But the one I just showed you, the one that stood out, Darth Revin, dueling lightsaber, infinite color changing with 12 sound fonts, sensitive S-mooth swing. I'll tell you what I did.

I took this thing and I was in my backyard. It was nighttime. I was just whipping it around in the backyard. and I felt like I was 15 years old again. The sounds that it makes, I've been telling you guys forever when I was going to Star Wars Celebration, I could not find a good Sith saber that I wanted to get and that I wanted to put on my shelf and that I could finally purchase.

I've been looking for one for five years, and I finally found it because of good people over at Damien Saber. Check it out. The links in the description. This is a really great thing. You're going to be seeing it a lot in the video. So love these guys. Very happy for them to the business that they have.

But I'm very happy to tell you guys about it. Damien Saber, check it out. So once again, the link is in the description for that. And thank you guys so much, so much for joining us here today for Winston A. Marshall, Coy John Drew. Thank you guys. We'll be back next week. It's going to be a shorter episode where we're going to go over our best TV and movies from

the comic book genre where we're just going to have a just round robin conversation. So join us. Thank you. We appreciate you. And we'll see you on the flip side, everybody. Merry Christmas, foo. That's right. Merry Christmas, everybody.

So thank you. We'll see you later. Bye.