The Kristian Harloff Show - Will the other UFO Whistleblowers confirming David Grusch's claims come forward in 2024?

Episode Date: January 2, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow It is 2024 and a lot of people are saying that there is a lot of new information coming revealing more disclosure to the general public about the UAP phenomenon. Will it actually happen? Will the mainstream media be forced to cover it? We watch some interviews form both Leslie Kean and Michael Shellenberger from June that have been reaired by News Nation. These both detail the potential flow of information coming this year. What information about a suspected reverse engineer program will be revealed if at all? Lastly our boots on the ground interviewer Pavel interviews Steve Bassett, Executive Director at Paradigm Research Group. The full interview is listed below but we play the clip about why Bassett believes that the mainstream media is avoiding the topic.  #uap #ufo #ufonews #alien #space #government #bigthing SUPPORT THE SHOW HERE: TRADE COFFEE: http://www.drinktrade.com/BIGTHING ROCKETMONEY: http://www.RocketMoney.com/THING OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FULL INTERVIEW WITH BASSETT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4x7... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff TWITTER: https://twitter.com/kristianharloff FACEBOOK: https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

Happy New Year, everybody. Welcome back to UAP Tuesday. It's the big thing. Oh, man, there's a lot to talk about here in 2024 already. People are banging the drums saying all the news is coming. All the new stuff is happening. I found that the most fascinating thing that had popped up, and I guess this was from News Nation,

was that they aired an old video from June. But it was a reporter from the New York Post. who had a lot of claims that whistleblower David Grush's claims were not only factual, there was a lot more to them. And inside of this report, there was some crazy stuff

that was reported. And inside of that, I actually brought out to my wife who was definitely, I would go so far to say non-believer, but the more and more I talk about it, I had a really fascinating conversation with my wife

after letting her hear this. And it was something that's a few different things that she said that only had hammered down the point that Riley and I have been making on this show for the last few months here, but also another part of it, if whether or not the public is really ready for any kind of information like this at all. And if it's one of the major things that could keep it from ever coming out. But Jeremy Corbell is out there talking. Leslie Kane is out there saying more stuff too. We'll talk about all that stuff and more and what we think about what's coming down, the pike. with Riley and myself, our buddy Pavel had a good interview that I'm going to play also. So that and more on this episode of the big thing, UAP Tuesday. Click that button, help us get to 200,000 subscribers faster than we got to 100. It is super helpful. If you're part of the conversation already, then be more part of it.

If you just see this topic, you're like, oh, I want people to, I want to hear more about it and ask questions, then be part of this community because it helps us out tremendously. and we're excited to be doing more with the new year with you guys. So for myself, Mark Riley, it is the big thing. Here we go. All right, it is the big thing. And it is UAP Tuesday. And I'm here once again to start off the new year with my good friend, Mark Yodius Riley.

Mark, how are you? What's going on? Happy New Year, my friend. Not much going on except all. this UAP stuff. Except all this UAP stuff. So that's something, right? 2024 is happening, baby.

It seems like it. It definitely seems like that is exactly what's going to happen. Look, I sent you this article from, or interview rather, it was from June that this played. And now they're re-airing it. They posted it again,

which I thought was a smart move. But I'm going to play this whole thing. I'm going to play this whole thing, because I want people to check this out. This is the interview. that I sent to Riley that I saw over the weekend. It's posted from the News Nation. And here it is.

This is from New York Post author or reporter, rather, Michael Schellenberger, right? So here it is. In recent reporting, author Michael Schellenberger writes that multiple sources have confirmed whistleblower David Gresh's claim that the United States government possesses a number of non-human vehicles. These sources are, quote, either high-ranking intelligence officials, former intelligence officials, or individuals who could be verified as being involved in the United States government UAP efforts for three or more decades, according to his reporting. Schellenberger writes that the individuals said they had seen or been presented with, quote, credible and verifiable evidence that the U.S. government and U.S. military contractors possess at least 12 or more alien spacecraft,

some of which they shared with AARO or the All Domain Anomily Resolution Office, quote, which AARO has refused to provide Congress. The office reportedly said it has not discovered any verifiable information, and quote, because it does not have the authority to verify it and may not want to verify it. Joining us now to discuss is Twitter Files author and author of Apocalypse Never, Michael Schellenberger. Thank you for being with us, Mike. Michael. Good to be with you. So confirmation. Aliens are real. This is exciting. What do you make of the

Baker's dozen of alien spacecraft that we have? Well, I think it's worth just pointing out that this is very shocking. The whistleblower in question, David Grush, used a term ontological shock, which is a little bit of jargon, but what he means is that the idea that we are not alone in the abstract is something that everybody, I mean, not everybody, but many people, the large majority of people agree with that we are almost certainly not alone in the universe. However, the idea that there may already be contact or have been contact for quite a while between the U.S. military and non-human intelligence, non-human life forms, is very sure. shocking and it's shocking for me personally. There's things I kept out of the story that I think

were just too shocking and certainly harder to confirm. But I do think it's clear that the conversation about this has progressed from the idea that the Pentagon simply has some videos to a large and growing number of people with reason to know who say that in fact there are not non-human spacecraft. That is very intriguing that there's things that you left out of the story. I hope that you'll continue to investigate them. I'm wondering how exactly these sources determined that these crafts were non-human. Was it the material they were made out of, the method of construction?

How exactly did they make that determination? Yeah, I mean, I think that there wasn't, honestly, there wasn't much doubt. there are programs, according to these folks that exist to not just study these technologies, but attempt to reverse engineer them. There was some disagreement or different levels of knowledge about the success in that. Certainly the idea had been that there was efforts to try to operate these craft or reverse engineers to create them. There's one very interesting story, which is that a,

major aerospace company apparently tried to involve greater civilian scientists and engineers to reverse engineer the vehicles because the stove piping or compartmentalization that exists really prevents the kind of innovation and sharing of knowledge that's actually essential to being able to achieve scientific and engineering goals and so there was a very briefly floated idea to involve a larger number of scientists and engineers that was apparently rejected by the Pentagon. So these are, look, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. At the same time, extraordinary claims, you don't need extraordinary evidence to simply

investigate them. And the claim here is that these craft are real physical objects. This is not a mass hallucination, that they exist in specific military bases and or in contractor facilities and that members of Congress could go and that members of Congress could go and, and actually find these facilities, or go and actually make sure they get their way in there and try to find these craft themselves. So obviously this is amazing that we have the craft at all, but I can't help but wonder, were there pilots of the craft? Do we know anything about that? Is there anything you can say

to that effect? David, so David Grush, the whistleblower, did say on News Nation that there were, in some cases, non-human pilots. What? I did have confirmation of that from one of my sources. I kept it out of the story, in part because it was one source, and also I felt like I really wanted to establish that there is strong evidence that there are craft, and I didn't want to get too much into what I had been told about the different potential of there being beings. It's a lot of ontological shock with just the craft, and I

I felt like let's just give this a minute and let's spend a little bit more time doing this reporting. I would also say I'm not the only person that's interviewing these folks. There are other people in my article. I mentioned former Defense Assistant Defense Secretary Christopher Mellon. I mentioned at least four witnesses. I think he said in his article in Politico over four people. I don't know if those are the same people I spoke to. We don't share information with each other.

but there's more people that are finding the courage to speak. They're very scared. They don't want to lose security clearance. And they're also worried about retaliation. And David Grush, as you know, the whistleblower felt like he needed to go to Congress because he was subject to retaliation. All right. So there's a, look, there's a lot there. Oh, that there's a lot.

There's a lot there. It's huge. This is blowing my mind. I know. But you know what's nuts is that I, so I was going back and forth with Pavell, our. you know, on the ground, boots on the ground interviewer who gets a lot of great interviews will play one of his in just a little bit, but like

he's like, you know, that's from June, right? And I'm like, yeah, I know it's from June, but it's like there's a reason they're playing it now. And it goes back to that same conversation that we have every week is like, like, why didn't, why isn't this pushed out more when it, when it happened in the first place? It's insane. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, It's just reiterating again and again how insane this is, how mind bending, I suppose, is the word.

And then it just, again, confirms how, you know, nobody is taken seriously in the mainstream media, obviously. As far as it coming back around, I mean, I think that's important to do because I feel like we even missed it. And it's just another like for me punch in the face like you know sources like confirming what Grush has said to this guy. You know, David Grush usually ontological shock because of what it means, what it can mean. And you know, a baker's dozen of crafts. You know, I love the use of Baker's dozen. That's hysterical to me. But like we're not overstating too much here.

This is this is huge. And to have, you know, people confirm that, you know, there are these crafts. To have a source, you know, and he didn't go into it. He didn't want to put it in the actual report, but that there is non-human or extraterrestrial remains. We kind of heard this. It's probably a lot to grasp for many people. I want to believe. But this, it just, this is, continues to be so big because there are people coming out

on getting at least interviewed and saying that they're sourced, credible, credible witnesses saying, yeah, yeah, it's there. And then the Pentagon rejecting it, saying, oh, they, they wanted to bring in a large number of civilian scientists and experts and share the data and share what they found. and the Pentagon's like, no. And that's huge. And that's big. And that's what we're asking for is the transparency so we can move to the next level. Yes.

And it goes, so I showed my, this is what I said in the beginning of the intro, is I showed my wife this clip. And again, it's from June, but I didn't tell her when it was. I just told her it was recent.

Her eyes kind of widened at this one. And she's like, I wish you wouldn't show me this stuff. She's like, because she says it scares me. She gets scares the shit out of me. More so now. because she, it's, it, because she doesn't want it.

She, she more or less said, without really saying it, she wants to kind of just stick her head in the sand. Like a lot of the, like a lot of the people would, she does, she wants to live in the Matrix. Yeah. Your wife, I think, represents a big contingent of people out there, including people running the mainstream media. Yeah.

It's, right. It is. She wants to live in the matrix. She doesn't want to know about it. And I said, wouldn't you want to know, like, a lot of the questions the universe? She's like, no, not really. Like, I'm, I'm okay living in how this is. And I don't want it because I don't want to add another level of anxiety in my life of what these things are and all these different things.

And that's like, I don't want to know that. And that's partially, maybe you start thinking like, she's like, she's like, there's a lot of people like me that don't want to know this stuff. And I said, I think you're right because it turns out, you know, a lot of people who are watching this show are going to be like, no, that's not true. and I'm with you guys. I think a lot of people want to know what the hell's going on out there and what it is and why there are certain gatekeepers that get to tell us what we can know and what we can't.

And I'm on the side of transparency. I'm on the side of what the hell's going on. But as you said, my wife represents the side of people who don't want to know this stuff and don't want to disrupt it. And as we mentioned before, my wife's not very religious, but there are people who are that don't want to have that side disrupted.

Yeah, I can understand where your wife is coming from. And I will, I will kind of jump in thinking maybe it's, you know, my worldview is changing because of I'm having a daughter. And you have two daughters. And, you know, the mother of your daughter is going, okay, got enough to worry about in the world for their sake. I don't want to, I don't want to go past that. I can, that is completely legit to me and understandable. I'd like to know. I'm with you. We're all, we'll do a show every week on this. I want the transparency. I want to know. Because of that very reason, I think, I just think it's important to know. So with that we're, what is out there?

Right. Well, what are we dealing with? But that came back to the other thing that my wife said that she's like, the next thing she said to me was, well, what other outlets are reporting this? she said how come I haven't seen this on the other outlets and I said that's a great question and I told her I said that's what Riley and I talk about on this show every week is as far as why it's being ignored why the mainstream media isn't covering this stuff and she's like I think I would take it more serious if I was sitting down and watching the daily like the news that I watch every night and it was one of the lead stories I said that's what we say every week and yes And what people don't understand is as much as like if you're watching our show or News Nation or Jeremy Corbell or any of these people who cover this stuff, Jesse Michaels, anybody. You are not, you're not in the majority where people who are catching in their news, the way that this will catch on is one of many things, but one of the main things is if it's covered by the mainstream media all the time. regardless of whether or not you think, well, they shouldn't have the last word. They do. They have the majority of the public opinion and why it's out there. But the other thing is, as Riley says every week, the freaking thing just needs to land on somebody's lawn.

Exactly. And let me add to that. I finally got to my father. I was playing golf with him the other day. And we finally had that talk. And I go, dad, have you heard about this? he he had he didn't hear anything right and he is somebody that goes and reads the newspaper every morning he's very old school um he does you know watch the local news he watches what he watches the and it's all mainstream

and his question was why haven't i heard about this right because i brought up the bipartisanship of this in the senate i named the name schumer and rubio to get and he perked up he went what And then I brought up Rush and I brought up, you know, graves and some, some of the, you know, the, the obvious stuff, I think that started all this. You know, it's like they were in front of the Senate testifying. And he goes, you know, I used to believe in that and I don't really believe in it anymore. And then I got him. I got my father. I said, why would these guys go out there and risk their livelihood to do this?

And he went, you're right. And so he wants to look into it more. I don't know if he will because, you know, he's like a freaking goldfish. He goes one way and he forgets what he's doing. But that's beside the point. He, I can get him and I know he is interested in this stuff. But that's, but that your wife makes the point that my dad just kind of echoed. You know, why haven't I heard about this?

Yeah, well, it also goes back to the conversation that I have all the time for, for people who don't know who only watch this show or watch. this show for the UAP stuff. Normally we do like a lot of pop culture movie stuff and all those things. What I constantly tell the audience who watches that is that when it comes down to certain things that they know so much because they watch shows like mine or other shows in there in the know of certain genres, let's say like the comic book movie genre if you will with like the DC and James Gunn and all this stuff. Now they go well this had such an impact because of this and this. I'm like it had an impact to you and the movie going, the movie like geek culture

and the movie like aficionados like those people because they're in the know in the same way that the UFO people that are in the know but like the mainstream audience doesn't know really even who James Gunn is so whether or not his his effect

of taking over the DC there's some people who watch this don't even watch movies stuff don't know what the hell I'm talking about right now and it's the same thing when it comes to UFO stuff but we're in no so there are certain names that you have seven months ago eight months ago, Riley, if I would have brought up Jeremy Corbell to you, you'd be like, who's that? Or George Knapp, who's that?

You start to learn these names. Like, the fact that people who follow politics and to follow all these things didn't know. And I've had many conversations with people who are big, like, political, like, junkies. They didn't know. Yeah, but they didn't know, like you said, they didn't know that Schumer and rounds are out there talking about this stuff. And when my wife said that, my wife does represent that casual viewer of these things in general. whether it's movies or UFOs. Like what, I get my news from her.

She gets her news from mainstream media, and she's got that half an hour that she can, after the kids go to sleep and she turns on the news and she finds out what the stories of the day were, and this is not one of them. She's not checking YouTube. She's not checking these things. She's checking the daily news to get the breaks and the scoops.

And that's it. She's not watching it for political opinion pieces. She's just finding that half an hour show that says these are the top stories of the day. And this is never one of them. It's never. And that's such a great point, Christian, because I think that's a huge, again, contingent of people that have a million things going on in their life, you know, whether it's kids or a job that takes a lot of their time or whatnot. You fill in the blank.

And they have that little bit of time. You have to go to an easy place to find it, right? Local news. The newspaper for my dad, it's right there on this front porch every morning. That's that's where they get it. And so when that stuff isn't covered, then they're, they're completely outside of the bubble.

And they're not going to like necessarily believe it when maybe you or I go, hey, blah, blah, blah, you're older eyes or say that's fiction or that's, what is this war of the worlds? You know, what are you, Orson Wells? Come on. You know, it's, that's what I'm talking about. It's like this access we need to make. And yeah, do we have to have an alien land on their face?

Probably. Yeah, part of me says yes to that. And the other part of me says, I don't know, because it does seem like it starts to kind of, it's creeping into the conversation a little bit more of, like, just certain things. Like even watching the couple of interviews that I watched recently, I sent you that one that I just started to watch.

That's pretty fascinating. And that is the one I was planning on watching the full thing. I just haven't had a chance to get to it. But like I said, And that is the, that is Chris Bledsoe that he was on Danny Jones podcast. And the video that he said he saw, did you see that part of it? No, I didn't. What is that?

Your voice changed. Something big. Yeah, the video that he said he saw, he said he's actually, I mean, he's one of the more credible UFO people out there. And the video that he said that he saw. And again, I'm paraphrasing. And I got to go back and watch it. And I, if I can find it when I'm editing this, I'll actually play the audio of it. But he said that the video that he actually has witnessed and has saw was that there was a pro, a sphere near UFO.

And there was like military missiles kind of being launched in general, not towards it, but in general. And the thing stopped, intercepted it, shot things out of it, blew up these things that were going to, that were going to, wherever they were targeted for. I'm not sure, and then just fucking left. And he said, I've seen this. He's like, I've seen it. Other people have seen it. And whether or not it's going to be released, that's one of the things rumored to be released.

I don't know. He said other people have seen it. Tons of people have seen it. And I'm like, that's the kind of stuff that if it's authenticated and it comes out and you actually get that video out, and if the mainstream media does not cover that, I mean, then something stinks.

Someone already stinks, but something really stinks. And if that, if somebody got to hold of that video, like that's, I'm going to, I'm going to find that. I'm going to make sure that I find that clip so I can play it. But, uh, that's, yeah, that would do a lot, I would think. If it was authenticated, like you said, I mean, just hearing that sounds insane and kind of follows along with the theme of these things that they kind of appear over whether it's nuclear or weapons or whatnot. you know um you know almost like it's you know clatu barata nictu you know it's like we come in peace we're trying to warn you that you're

gonna freaking destroy yourself and so we're here to kind of warn you about that i don't know that that just sounds insane that sounds like the plot of a movie it does i know it's hard because like that's and that's it's hard and that's what's so hard to get people to look and focus on because again i always say this the theme is they're up there with wizards and dragons. They just don't exist. They're a part of our pop culture lexicon that has that has been going on for years and years and years. I brought up War of the Worlds. You know, it's like there's a reason why that's like a classic, you know, and people think, ah, great sci-fi movie. Yeah, I know. And it's, it's, it's true because when you look at all that stuff, when you look at all of it and you say,

this is you and I, we've been covering this now for like six, seven months. And we still go, I don't That's tough to believe. That's hard to believe because you just can't fathom it. And people who aren't paying attention to it at all, imagine I told DJ Wildridge about what that guy said. In no world is he going to believe anything even remotely close to. He's going to say, show me the tape. And even then, he'd probably go, it's altered.

Yeah. So when it comes down, like, it just needs to be this, and you get Jeremy Corbello is out there saying there's going to be this dump of news. Lou Elizondo said there's going to be this dump of all this news in January. January, February, March, April, May, all the way through 2024, it's supposed to be this gradual stuff. Gary Nolan says this stuff supposed to happen. So, you know, 2024 could be that year

where things do start to come out because I'm going to play in a little bit. I thought that to couple this, what Leslie Kane actually said, I think it was also on the hill, about all of this stuff and about kind of the answers and about what's coming in the next couple of months. And it's pretty fascinating, I thought, her interview. So I want to play that. I'm also going to play Pavel's interview as well. But before we do that, I do want to tell you guys, as I do each and every week of how important in order to keep us on the air every week.

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Here we go. Back in 2017, the New York Times published an article that revealed a secret Pentagon program to investigate UFOs, One of the authors, Leslie Kane, has been reporting on UFOs for many years and also published a book in 2010 called UFOs, generals, pilots, and government officials go on the record. Here to tell us more about her time reporting on UFOs and recent claims on the topic of extraterrestrial life is Leslie Kane. Welcome. Hi, thank you very much. Great to be with you guys. It's great to be here with you. What do you make of Grush's claims that there are craft or potentially even pilots? I can't comment at all on the pilot part of it because that's not that was not part of our reporting and I never spoke to him about that.

So that's aside. But in terms of his, I guess you'd call them claims, his allegations that there are actual retrieved craft. I take it very, very seriously. otherwise I wouldn't have reported on it. And not only because of what he has told me, but because of what a number of other people have told me, quite a few, both on and off the record, but mainly off the record,

that there are many others like him who are not whistleblowers but have the same information. And in fact, others that may have more direct information than he does because they have been inside programs, which he has not. So I think there's a lot more to come and there's a lot more to back up his claims than what has actually been made

public. And can you tell us more about what you've heard about the retrieval of crafts that are specifically non-human? Because, you know, I think I could understand someone saying, are many people coming forward to say that pilots have seen objects that they couldn't identify, that maybe parts of crafts were then retrieved, and maybe we couldn't explain where they come from, but the operating theory would be they were craft from other countries or parts of weapons programs or something. This sounds like specifically it's being described as non-human, there's something indicated in what was recovered that this originates off-world or something like that.

Have you heard, when you've talked to people on the inside, the non-human part of it specifically emphasized or just a mystery? Well, this doesn't originate from the U.S. government. that we don't know. Right. It's a very good distinction. Great question, Robbie, because we have to make that distinction here. We are actually talking about non-human, which means these have been determined to be that through

whatever scientific process has been used to make that determination. And all of that information is classified. There was one statement that Grush made in our story alluding to describing the types of processes that are used. I don't have it right in front of me. You guys might have it. The problem is for us in the public is that all of the data on that is classified. But I do want to make the point that he is making a very, very distinct distinction here

between something that's just anomalous and maybe we can't figure it out versus something that has actually been determined to be of non-human origin. There are two different things. And he's talking about the latter here, that these have actually been determined to be of non-human origin. And I have spoken to others who have confirmed the same thing. So how would we make sense of this and the recent reporting around UFOs or UAPs? Is this a soft launch of clear awareness of extraterrestrial life, but maybe we don't want to tell the public everything so as to roll it out slowly and give them time to process it?

Can we understand this to be a soft launch of our awareness of extraterrestrial life based on the craft that we know that is there that has been recovered? I mean, it's such a great question, Jessica. and it's so hard to answer that. You know, I'm a reporter, and so whenever I get some good information that I think is important, I'll put it out there, but I don't really know if there's some kind of orchestrated campaign going on behind the scenes. It's hard for me to comment on that. And I also think, you know, the thing about extraterrestrial life, that's such a loaded term.

I mean, if we have a craft that is of non-human origin, I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean that there's some extraterrestrial aliens that have come here and crashed it or dropped it here. I think the actual origin of it could be much more complicated than that. You know, the concept of extraterrestrial life or what the intelligence might be that's behind the creation of these vehicles is a big unanswered question. And I don't think that's a simple one. But, you know, it is an incredible mystery and it's an incredible claim to be made here. I mean, this is absolutely mind-blowing.

And I think what's important about it is that it lead to further investigation. All right. Again, Riley, so this one, that one was from June that they just re-aired. So they're re-airing this on purpose. They're re-airing these to get like these videos that should have gotten a lot more notice. And so this is, again, from right around where the hearings were happening and the things that Leslie Kane was getting involved. That was, they were talking about softening people up before. Before the Schumer stuff, before all this other things, before it.

And so it is more relevant and it seems to be. And Ross Colhart is very much involved in News Nation also. So I'm so sure that they have a very, very clear plan of the stuff that they're going to be involved with and the stuff that they're going to be pushing out. But, you know, again, an interview that was from June, but what do you get from Leslie Kane's interview there? Oh, so much. Yeah. You know, I know that there are people that will probably say, you know, well, you know, she was talking about the big things that stood out to me are like off record stuff.

And, ah, well, you can't really trust that. And that, that to me is just more interesting because she said there's more info out there with these inside programs that are probably hopefully going to come out. And it's just about these, when people are off record. off the record right now. I think it's just for their own protection. But there is something there. And the other thing that really stands out to me, which is the

common stuff that we talk about, like these things aren't necessarily like Martians from outer space. You know, they're not, when they say extraterrestrial, I think that that couches it in a way that we can understand it. Right. Okay, they're not

of this world. And then our pop culture, classified, them as like aliens from another planet or xenomorph or this this or that the implication to me is that this is this is this is stuff we can't even fathom i know our human brain can't even fathom because it it's sooner or later we're going to have to follow the science on this now whether they're interdimensional they come from the ocean they are um you know walking amongst us in a different plane of there's more than one there's more than one right that's That is just absolutely insane to consider.

And that's, I've mentioned it before, is why my worldview is changing. If these things are in a different plane of existing, interdimensional, you can start to follow physics. And you can start to follow and look into theories and, you know, of people way smarter than me that you're like, well, you know, if it's this, this or that, you know, you can follow the science there. it's so hard to just wrap your head around. So to just dump it all out there is one thing. To gradually release things and gradually try to get the populace to consider this is a whole other story. I believe. But it just, it blows my mind.

And extraterrestrial, whatever the remains are, I don't believe one bit that they're coming from Mars or, you know, know, a galaxy, because that's the biggest thing people will say, oh, they can't come from, you know, millions of light years away and light speed and this, this and that wormhole, blah, whatever you want to say. No, I don't believe that. I believe that there is something that could possibly out there that our human tiny little acorn brain can't fathom no matter how many pictures you show me, right? It's just something that we're going to have to like follow the science on this,

I hope, or just it's mind-blowing. I mean, I'm talking myself in circles right now. There's a lot of things that they talk about where when it comes to how we also, as a human being, see ourselves in the top of the food chain and we don't want to imagine ourselves that we're not. That's part one. And then if we don't have this understanding of the same idea, like if you see a cow walking around, if you're driving through, you know, wherever you're driving and you don't look at cows, you keep going. Don't stop and wonder what the cow is doing if the cow notices that. you're there or the cow you're not thinking about the cow because the cow is like you know unless the cow gets in front of your car you got to move around the cow but you don't

think about the cows in that way in the same way as you and you walk by and there's bugs and stuff and you just oh the bug's annoying me get away bug but or you just walk by the bug and you don't want to be thought of as the bug or guess what bug doesn't want to be thought of of the bug too because the bug doesn't want to be dodging his feet all day long right and when you're You don't want to think about the fact that you might not, that there might be the, like, the, like, the dumbest, like a fish is clearly, like, one of the dumbest. The goldfish. The goldfish, the dumbest thing that you could possibly think of, right? Or people on reality TV, either one, you pick.

But out of the, but the goldfish, and the goldfish is just swimming around doing this thing, not paying attention, anything, and we don't want to be thought of as goldfish, right? But what if we are? What if you compare, if you compare what a goldfish knows as opposed to what the smartest human being on the planet knows? And it's not even, you even have the conversation. But we won't fathom the idea that that could be the same thing. Somewhere that someone else knows, where we, as a human species, figured out how to manipulate energy to create a nuclear bomb.

there were people smart enough to do that and and did that that there aren't there isn't a level of intelligence that could figure out how to maneuver through because what people also realize or think not realize but incorrectly think is that the way that time works for us is the way time works for everybody nope nope and and so time could work it was like oh these things have been around thousand a years. Well, 10,000 years ago to them could be Tuesday and 2024 could be two, it could be Wednesday. Yeah. You don't know. I don't know that for a fact, but I'm just saying it's not, it's just this I know for a fact because I, because you guys are just talking about movie stuff. No, I'm talking about physics and the thing, the way that things, things that are possible that we

don't know how to do. But I just find so fascinating that whether it's a Leslie Kane, Michael Schellenberger, these people that are talking to, like, high-level security people that all say, yeah, we have this stuff. We have, we, we, like, many people have, have, have told various reporters that there's reverse engineering and not even the same, it's not like one group of like four people going, hey, let's tell them that we have this thing. It's like different people that don't even know each other, that have hurt things throughout the year, of course of like 70, 80 years.

And yet, like, I'm telling you, I know it's repetitive guys and I understand it. it, but I'm going to keep saying it. If this story, if Leslie Kane was on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, any of the big ones talking the same thing, and they gave her 10 minutes to talk to the top reporter of each one of the shows and was on each network three times a day and all those types of things, it'd be a very different conversation with inside the human populace right now. Absolutely. I mean, the biggest hurdle is convincing people that this could be.

Right. I mean, you brought it up again. And we were talking about it maybe last week. But something really hit me in our conversations. And I went back and looked it up so I knew what I was talking about, essentially. But like Galileo is the guy that went first off in 16, I believe 10, was saying he looks at it through his telescope and he looks at Venus. and it had the same phase as the moon. And he kind of surmised that, wait a minute.

They're not revolving around Earth. We're revolving around the sun. And that caused a big freaking deal. Because inherently humans want to believe that we are the top of the food chain. As you said, that we are the center of the universe, that everything revolves around us. That's human nature. And when you put that into question and say, nope,

you know, it's actually whatever it may be, you're going to get people to push back. It's the same thing right, but it's the same thing I said about the cows though, right? But the thing is this. When they go, well, if the aliens are here and these things are here, well, why don't they get involved?

Why don't they talk to us? Do you stop? If you see two cows fighting in a farm, do you stop and pull over the car and help them? Or you don't give a shit, you go about your day. Like, we are so arrogant in the way that we think, like, oh, well, they would want to talk to us. us, maybe we're absolute morons to them.

I mean, I would understand that if that's what they thought. Like, just turn on the Florida Bamashore on MTV right away. They tell Jim Jim, Zam, Zom to turn the ship around and get the hell out of here. Yeah. Like, I get it. Yeah. But what are the dumb humans doing today? Right.

They blow themselves up? No. But if they do, just stop it. Just stop, like shut down one of the new things and just don't, just stop it. I got to go into the ocean in five minutes. and I don't want to deal with what these morons are going to blow themselves up. They're going to shoot a rocket, shoot it down, and then, you know, whatever, that's it. Yeah.

And it's like, yeah, because the other thing that we want to assume is that we've been here forever. How do we know they haven't been here forever? They weren't here first. You don't know anything. That's my point is. You don't know anything. But that's the theme. That should always be the theme.

We don't know anything until we know, until we have some science to back it up, or we see it with our own. two eyes. Right. And we'll continue, look, this is like, if we would have been doing this show five years ago, you and I would have been looked on as completely kooky people. There's no doubt about it. Correct. There are still people who tune into this and go, ha ha, ha, L-O-L

you know, alien UFO stuff, ha-haha. But it's less. It's less. The people that are watching this show are people who are really like want to know more about it, curious about it, found it. Recently, you've been watching for a while. And then there are

those people that's something like, okay, here we go. Less UFO stuff, more DC and Marvel stuff. And that's fine. And what I tell those people is, instead of writing that, just don't watch on Tuesday. But what I will tell you, though, eventually you're going to start seeing people was this, once the first network actually, the mainstream network acts responsibility, responsibly, and starts actually reporting and gets away from the fact that they're probably, they're probably also controlled by some of these big companies that are,

that are the same ones that had Mike Turner, you know, block this thing. They probably are very much controlled in the same way, and I wouldn't be surprised. But speaking of that, Pavel, our interviewer, he had a chance, and I have the full interview linked in the description. You want to check out his interview. But he had on Steve Bassett, who's the executive director at the Paradigm Research Group, and he asked him this question. He asked him the question about the mainstream media, and I'm going to play that portion of the interview, and then you can check out the full interview below. Why do you think they've been the bigger networks

have been so away from this generally? You know, because I know there's a New York Times article and some other smaller networks, let's say, but why does the legacy media stay away from this, especially since 2017? Because the evidence has been so overwhelming outside of those networks. What do you think that is?

If you go to my website, Paradigmundresearch group.org, and you go to resources, which is on the menu, and then you slide on down to print media archive and you punch on through, you get to the print media archive. And what you find there is essentially it's all print media coverage of this issue from regular press, a reasonably professional press. That includes the New York Times. It also includes the Daily Express and a number of what we'll call news tabloids in the UK. It includes a number of entities here, which are not what we'll call legacy, but they're important. Daily Wire and Newsmax and all those stuff.

Okay, so we're up to 1800 articles. They're happening so fast, I cannot get them logged in fast. It's the most ever that I have curated ever. Now, when I say 1,800 articles, that doesn't mean there weren't more. There's twice that easily, but on much more fringe or less substantive media. And it's repetitive. So I leave those out. So 1,800 relatively significant articles, largest ever since I started doing this.

And it takes the total number of archived articles there to about 15,000. So there's 15,000 articles there that, in fact, is all straight journal. about this issue. They have covered it. I assure you, they've covered it all. They just haven't investigated it. And nowadays, there's maybe one, what I call debunk piece or skeptic piece out of every hundred articles. It's about 1%. So there's 1,800 articles up there. Maybe 18 of them would be considered to be kind of debunkers. And a couple of those pieces are really ridiculous, and I'm going to enjoy getting back to them. And I'm pointing out, gee, a bad day you had there.

So there is a huge amount of coverage. But interestingly enough, ABC, NBC, CBS News. Now, I'm not really covering what they put up in this pure video, but I sort of am because the way it works in terms of my search abilities is that if they put up a video, it will turn up in the search. And so I end up putting that page up. There may be no text at all, but it will be a video. ABC, NBC, CBS News for the entire history of the truth embargo have been the most compliant.

And I would say pretty much backed up the government on this. Not going to touch it. If we do, once in a while, no big deal, we can't look like we're completely idiots, and so forth. Now, they need to respond to them. I'm looking forward to when they're actually willing to talk to me, to asking them some questions about this. How did that happen? How is it that these other newer publications are all over this, and you guys who have all their vast resources are still sitting back? How tight are you with the national security state?

I'd like to know. we'd like to know because if you are and there's a lot of stuff you're just not going to cover just let us know just say hey we're not going to cover things like that you know it's like we're just trying to play ball right they're trying to protect the country and whatever and we don't want to bother them and so we'll cover other stuff let us know we'll go understand that okay fine but if you're acting like you are the premier legacy media and then if something profound is happening you come to us then you're making a fool of yourself and insulting our intelligence and so yeah

ABC NBC News but if those once you step out of that now in terms of the in terms of the major papers the New York Times and Washington Post particularly the Washington Post

they've done a lot more covers than people know and so if they go and they search through my print media archive they will find scores and scores of articles the New York Times

not quite as much but it's getting better the news tabloids in the UK unbelievable about a coverage. I mean, everybody in the UK knows everything about this. It's fantastic. Times of London, one of the worst in the world.

The Times of London, the ultimate legacy publication, only occasionally just deems to step down into this issue, some tidbit. And usually, it's a debunker shot. They'll need to answer for that. Okay. And then in the U.S., and this is, this is not surprising.

There are a lot of major papers in the U.S. In the old days, there were just a couple of major papers in a bunch of dailies, right, from the other cities. This goes about the 40s and 50s. Then it kind of changed. Now, there's some pretty sizable papers

in some of the more sizable cities, but it's still the case that the Washington Post is the political paper of record. The New York Times is the kind of national paper record and the Wall Street Journal is the economic paper. And so the Chicago Tribune and these other papers are not trivial, but they're sort of like the dailies of years going by. So what am I trying to say? I'm trying to say that these other, you know, whether it's Dallas Morning News or whatever,

they just don't bother to cover it much because they know that the big papers will. If it's a big enough story, they'll cover it so they don't need to do it. And thus they can kind of stay out of the UFO area without, you know, impeding, I guess you could say, the historical process or whatever's going through their mind. It's a mistake. They occasionally do a piece. They're up there. But of the major papers in the United States, bar none, the two worst. Absolutely. As if they're operating from a cave, right, or something, is the Los Angeles Times and the San Francisco Chronicle, almost nothing. All right, great job once again by our buddy Pavel.

You can watch the full interview. He's the best. So you can check out that full interview. The links in the description. It's pretty detailed. But yeah, I think he's spot on. And I think that's what we're saying, though,

right? It's like, clearly the government's like, hey, no, no, no. Like everything else,

you want to go after, you want to go after Hunter Biden, you want to go after Trump. You want to go after someone's so fine. No, no, no, no on this one. You just can't do it. And they're like, Occasionally you can if you dive in.

Right. Because you don't want to look like that. That's when they do. And it's that's when it's that wink and it. You know, it's a passing mention. And it's always at the end of ABC World News was my biggest example of this. They go,

they cover everything until that very last five minutes of the show. They touch on the hearings. And then they talk about the dog that's on a surfboard. Right. We have our hero of the week. And that's it. That's it. You know,

because the passing men. is like not given a lot of credibility for their audience. They're like, eh, you know, we're just going to kind of bury it over here. People think it's crazy. That makes a lot of sense. Because they still live. People think it's kooky enough. We don't have to cover it.

No one's really going to ask us to do it. And that's why I can tell people, like, don't worry about the letters to the senator. Keep writing those letters to the network. Keep talking. Keep sending tweets to the network. How come you guys aren't covering this? How come you aren't covering that? That's the kind of stuff that that's what I want to see.

That's the question is because, like, he said, if I said the same thing, he's like, they're not even mentioning it. They're not even addressing it. They're not even addressing like, oh, we're not covering this because of this. They're not covering, I mean, nothing. Nothing. The fact, like, they covered the hearing for like a little bit.

They had to. They had to cover the hearing. It's like, how do you not cover that hearing, at least on a little mention or something, right? Which still should have been extensive coverage, but little mentions. And how they barely mentioned the Schumer around stuff at all. And again, even emphasizing,

Obviously, if you're watching this show, you know that Riley and I, we are believers, and we believe in this stuff. We believe in that they do have a reverse engineering program. We do believe in all these different things. But even if you are a skeptical news anchor and you are doing a report, you are irresponsible to not cover the freaking senator majority house leader addressing Congress and saying, we need more transparency on this stuff. It's a story, guys. It's a story. It's a huge story. It's a story. It's a pelican.

I would like to. Yeah. Yeah. And I echo that sentiment of like, what is the relationship with these kind of the CBS, NBC's ABCs with the like national security government stuff? Like that's something he wants to ask them. And I want to know because that is way too coincidental. fishies. There's a lot of smoke there. Where's the fire? It stinks. And we have more to talk about, speaking to Pavel, I want to have them on.

We were supposed to have them on this week, but I couldn't have a chance. I was trying to figure, before Riley and I went on, I was trying to figure out audio stuff and with the new year and all these things. It was just hard for me to do. And he's going to be joining us. And like, the one thing that I really wanted to talk about, there's a lot of things that, people inside of this community, you'll hear more and more inside of conversations is the idea of, like, actual consciousness. and what the idea of consciousness is and how it's related to these things and how, in general, certain things with the mind itself and how that works.

And he's been studying this stuff for quite a while. So I'm very interested to have him on. So Riley and I can talk to him. We're going to try to have him on next Monday, or next Tuesday, rather, to have the conversation with him. And there's other interviews that he and I are going to do together, that he's been able to kind of line up. and so we'll have him on to talk for a bit. So we'll have Pavela next week. But that's our show for this week, man.

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