The Kristian Harloff Show - Will the Rey Star Wars movie deliver on the promise of a NEW ADVENTURE? Can it turn things around?

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

Star Wars has new movies coming out and one of the high profile movies is the Rey movie. Daisy Ridley is now saying that she is excited for hte new adventure and hopes old tema members return. Finn? Poe? Bad Batch is coming to an end. Rebel Moon Part 2 did ok ratings wise but reviews have been harsh. Shogun creators talk about why no season 2. This and more with Kristian, Steph and Kris Carr.

How's it going, everybody? Welcome back to The Big Thing. It is Wednesday. I'm very excited to have you guys here today, and I know you clicked on the show today because you saw both Steph Sabraa and Chris Carr on there. Who needs me? I understand. Anyway, there's a lot to talk about here today.

Daisy Ridley, she's talking about this new Star Wars movie. She's excited for it. She said, there's a new team. There's kind of a hope that some of the old team will come back. What does that mean? Does that mean Boyega will come back? Should he come back? is Oscar Isaac coming back?

What does it mean? And could this movie actually turn things around? We'll talk about that. We'll talk a little bit about Clone Wars or the Bad Bad Badge, rather. And Steph has watched it, so we'll talk about that. Steph's going to be either happy or sad

because there's new comments about Shogun and what the future of it is. And I haven't read them yet. I wanted to do that on the air to see is there going to be a season two because they announced it initially as just a mini series, but that damn thing did so good for everybody.

So does it stick around? That's really probably what we're going to dive into. Rebel Moon, man, that movie didn't do very well as far as critics-wise. It scored not great. And it had a little bit of a softer debut. What should be the next path for Zach Snyder? Should he continue with the original stuff? What say you?

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It's myself. I did not lie. Steph Sabraz here. I'm actually AI. Yes. I wouldn't be surprised. Soon. Soon.

And Chris Carr. That'd be nice for your move. To just put everybody. All AI host? Yeah. Yeah. Not for you guys. No, send us or us in.

We'll talk, but our bodies are like home. Oh, you guys actually will do like it'll look. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'll be like a virtual show, but it'll look like you guys are in studio. Exactly. Like that great anime bell. Did you guys see that? No, that's scary.

It's stunning. It makes AI seem normal because it's just a nice fun, like, virtual world that you go to. It's great. You can be a singer. You can do whatever. Highly recommend. Okay. Well, that was the whole, I mean, there's a couple of the pro-AI stuff more so than even the anti.

We've seen the anti-stuff. I just watched Terminator again recently. Just to take notes? Just to take notes to get ready. No, what happened with... What happened with that was that, I don't know how we came about it. We were talking about a movie we wanted to watch my 12-year-old. She's getting to a place now where she can watch those movies, finally, where I was, for a time, it was like, okay, well, she's not quite ready for that yet, but she was watching five nights of Freddie, and she watched, like, I know what you did last, what was it called?

I know what you did last summer. That's scary. Yeah, she watched that stuff. So I'm like, okay, if she's watching that at 12, we watched something. She was watching, so you think you can dance with my wife. And I was like, let's watch Terminator, right? And she's like, all right. And so we started watching Terminator.

and my wife hadn't seen it in so long and my daughter loved it. The only thing that got me sad, which I understand, this is a 12 year old's point of view, she's like, she started laughing at one point. I'm like, what are you laughing at? It's like a horror film. She's like, that CGI is ridiculous.

And it's 1984, you know, and I was like, and I'm like, and then I stop and I pause it. And I go, do you understand that? In 1984, this is groundbreaking stuff we're talking about here. She was like, that makes no sense. It makes a lot of sense.

I go, without what Stan Winston did there and all this too, she's like, just hit on pause. I go fine. So, but my wife who was watching it, she looked at me, she pauses at one point. She goes, I now realize that half of your Arnold quotes come from this movie. She goes, do you know how many times you have quoted this movie, whether it's get out, nice nightfall walk, eh?

Nothing clean, right. I didn't even realize that. Yeah, I've only seen the movies once. Oh, man. That first one is so good. It's so good. I love the second one, but I love the first one. The first one's amazing.

It's the best. It's like a horror film. Anyway, so I was watching that, and it does get more scary. There's a lot of things about scary. And the fact that that 1984, they said 40 years, it's the apocalypse is in 2024 when they're flying around and stuff. He's like, when he's talking about 40 years and then you put that in perspective of like now in 40 years, what the hell is AI going to be like in 40 years from now? What did James Cameron know that the rest of us? Right.

Yeah. So, but the creator was like more so, did you see the creator? I loved the creator. I loved it. Yeah. That was pro AI. Yeah. Yeah.

It was a beautiful exploration of, you know, the prime directive. We talked about this on the show of just, you know, what are you made for? What are you supposed to do? What's your programming? And how that can help or hurt humanity. Yes. It was so good. I want to adopt Alfie.

I like really felt a strange connection. Yeah. It was like, is my child. That movie is so up your alley. Yeah. It really is. It really is. I remember you said that you love it.

Didn't you say that you and Harry kind of stumbled upon it, right? Is that what happened? You guys watch it together at home? Yeah, we watched it and we, I missed the theater run and I had read not great reviews from it even though. But I was so curious to see what Gareth Edwards was doing after so long of not seeing his work. And we loved it. Yeah, I mean, it was, I really liked it a lot. I think it was for what he did for that budget.

It was really good. Yeah, really good. It looked insane. It's beautiful. So, yeah, we're going to AI you guys. Yeah. Your voices will put you in there. But all jokes aside, and I talked about this.

What was really a bummer last week, and I don't know if you guys know, but we recorded our show last week. I recorded my show with Roxy and Brett, and I'm so bummed because we just had like that kind of free-flowing conversation. She asked me a lot about New York. And we talked about it because I, because of the patrons, I actually made a New York wish list and people already gotten like, someone got us a lens. Someone's got it. It's great. I always put it in the top of the thing. If you want to help out great, if not just as good, comments and likes are wonderful.

But we recorded this whole episode with Brett and Roxy, and it was just, she was asking me about the move. We talked about stand-up comedy. We talked about, like, Clyder Live, about all this stuff. And I was cleaning up my laptop. Yeah. And I was like, okay, I want to get these files and throw them in the trash. I don't need them anymore. I recorded everything.

And then I was like, yeah, and before I check that, I'll delete all my files from the trash. to make sure those are gone. Okay, now they're all gone and she'll clean up everything. Oh, well, now I'm going to edit the show. Oh, wait, I just deleted everything. How could I do that?

So I deleted the episode and I tried to, I've spent like hours trying to recover it. Nothing. No. Yeah, it was horrible. So, uh, not good. So, that's awful. It was, it was terrible.

It was, it was crappy. And then, then I felt bad because Rox, because Roxy was, she was, she was like interviewing me for like, she's such a great interviewer. She's great for like 40 minutes. Speaking of which, speaking of interviews, I can say that we're going to be making a heavier push on bigger interviews now, like the way that we used to do it on when I was with Collider and the stuff that I did. I'm speaking, I just spoke with a company that we're going to start working with

that's going to start booking us guests now. That's awesome. When that starts, the goal is May, and I've talked to, and I actually put out a post last night to the audience and just because I was making like a wish list and giving it to them because this is, that's what they do. And the audience gave great suggestions as far as like who you'd want to see me interview. So who would you want to see on this show?

If you had anybody coming up that you don't want to see an interview on. And I'm going to ask you who you think my dream interview is. I know you'll probably get it. Oh, man. You don't know me well enough yet, but you'll get it. Like a rush more of who I'd want to? Yeah, like there's one dream guest. I gave this guest to the audience, got it.

Roga didn't get it, but the audience guested pretty quick when I said my, if I could have one person, like, okay, you can have anybody you want, but you only get one. who's the main person you'd want. But don't worry about that. Who do you guys want first? Like if you'd want to see anyone on this show as an interview. And I want the audience to write in the comments to it. Okay, you know, it would be so fun, but I would have to be there.

But I would love to watch you interview this person. Jennifer Coolidge. Oh, that's a good one. She wasn't on my list. I'm going to have a blast. I'm going to put her on my list. She is just. That's a good one.

America's sweetheart. Yeah, that's a good one. Who would you want to see in here? I mean, my interests are so niche. I would love Jim Cummings. Jim Cummings. Oh, that's great. Someone told me to put him on the list.

He's great. Now, you're talking about the director. I'm talking about the voice actor. Oh, okay. I'm talking about like the singing voice of Scar, the singing voice of Rasputin, the voice of We had him on Collier Live. I love him. He's the only person I've been truly starstruck around.

I saw him a few goes once and I could barely speak or it's just like, Mr. Cummings, you're my whole childhood. We could probably get him on the show now. I love him. Yeah, yeah. We had him before, but the director was also suggested a bunch of times too. Makes sense. Yeah, he's great.

Now, who do you think my, the number one is? Okay. Come on, Steph. I'm really torn between Stallone and Arnold. Those are good, but no, they're not the number one. Damn it. You'll get, you'll go, oh, yeah. Okay.

Julie Roberts. Oh. She'd be number one. Okay, that's great. Really? Yeah, she'd be number one. For why? Well, if you've seen my wife.

They're like doppled gangers. But, no, I've just been a big fan of her for a very long time. got a chance to meet her in during the critics choice awards once but I just would like to go over the full kind of filmography certain questions is admirers and actress in general and things that she's done as far as the balance of I think that it is not easy as you've seen many different people who have hit that kind of level and stay balanced like and not and it took took a break came back kind of reinventing herself now with the directors and stuff that she's coming back with too and going to the streaming.

So the path of what she is actually done, I think is a really, really fascinating story. So that's kind of one of the reasons. That's awesome. Plus my 12-year-old self would thank me. Yeah. Let's be real. Okay, let's get to some of these topics. Let's start with this one.

Daisy Ridley is talking about the Star Wars movie. It's a new one coming up. It's a lot riding on it. And this is from Gazette, sci-fi and fantasy. It writes, Daisy Ridley teases the different Star Wars film. that will hopefully be a new adventure. And this is what she says. This is the article itself.

There's a lot riding on the upcoming Ray Focus Star Wars film, which will pick up 15 years later after the events of the Rise of Skywalker. So Mark Julian writes, it feels like the Star Wars franchise is heading towards a pivotal moment, at least on the film side. While several television projects

have been met with fan approval and gargantuan ratings, the latest trilogy is very divisive to say the least. It seems like a bit of that pressure can be reflected the latest comments from Ray Skywalker actor Daisy Ridley, who is excited to reprise the character. In a forthcoming film directed by Charmina Abait Chanoi,

per an announcement made at Star Wars Celebration, 2023. While speaking to total film to promote her upcoming release young women in the sea, Ridley seemed to have some frenetic energy when discussing the project. She says, it is really strange. I think the whole thing will feel so different anyway with a totally different team, said Ridley, who is now 32, when she first started filming the Force Awakens, back in 2014, she was 22 and had a modest number of roles under her belt. 10 years later, things are different.

Ridley confirms, I'm in a very different place than I was. I'm probably going to be one of the adults, and initially I was the youngest person on set, which is a weird feeling. With no Star Wars celebrations slated for this year, the next one is in 2025, fans are hoping that more details on the project will be announced on May 4th, aka Star Wars Day. It's expected that filming on the project will kick off in late 2024 or early 2025 for a 26 release date.

In terms of the production, Ridley said, I would also hope that it's a lot of the same crew. Obviously, many people shifted, but many people stayed the same through all three films. And there was something wonderful and comforting about that. But I don't know. It all remains to be seen. I would hope it feels natural in some way, but also, like, I don't know. Like, it's a new adventure. I'm hoping it's sort of bit of both. Naturally, fans are curious about who it could be alongside Ray in the new film.

Oscar Isaac's Poe Damarin and Boyega's Finn are presumably still out there and fighting the good fight. and Mark Hamel's Luke Skywalker could always show up as a forced ghost. So much to talk about with that article. Chris, let's start with you. What do you take from all of that that comes out? Do you have hope in this movie? I always have hope for Star Wars. I always have it.

Hope Springs Eternal. But so many of these movies have been canceled before they've gone into production. And so I just don't hold my breath about them anymore. I'm always hoping we're going to get it because Star Wars belongs on a big screen. I love when we have these TV shows and some of them like The Mandalorian, like Andor. Those have been really, really fabulous. But I really like seeing Star Wars as a movie in a movie theater with a whole bunch of other people.

I also tend to get a little tired of continuing to dwell within the Skywalker saga, just because it's a huge galaxy far, far away. I want to learn about other people. I want to learn about other stories. And I know I've talked about it, ad nauseum on this show, about how it feels very Dickensian, where everyone's related to each other and everyone knows each other. And one of the things I was most excited about in that. that second film was the idea of just, yeah, force users pop up anywhere.

It's kind of the idea of Spider-Man, right? Anyone could wear the mask. You could wear the mask. You could have a whole shit ton of Metaclorians. Maybe you're a Jedi. I loved that idea. So if it's all about her rebuilding the Jedi order and finding new Jedi and exploring that and having a new threat that is not a clone of Palpatine, then I'd be really excited.

Steph, what do you think? I think it's, I don't blame her for if they're assuming that she's nervous about this. I think she went off Instagram for years. And I also don't blame her for that. It was crazy. Especially at 22 years old. Yeah, that's just so, oh, man, I don't think that the actress who plays Rose Tico. She jumped off too, yeah.

How am I forgetting her name? But she, I don't think she's returned to social media. And I also can't blame her for that. So there's a lot of pressure. But I feel like for her to take the project and them actually feels like this is really, really moving forward and there's been continuous news on it moving forward. I feel like it's got to be, I just have hope that it's a good project. It just is, it's a lot of pressure to go back to a character that was so, so attacked.

Well, that's exactly what I, Chris, what you just said, right? It's like you always want fingers crossed that it's going to be good, right? But as I've said, and it's just right now, as we talked about the sports team, they're just, They're just trying to get out of the last place. And they need to, they need to win. They need to put together a project. I do think that this one is far enough along that, because I've done videos about like, yeah, okay, this is announced when is going to get canceled.

And I also think when you have movies like the Taika Watiti movie that's been float around there forever, they just announced, Patty Jenkins is doing it again. But when James Mangold's supposed to have a movie, those are the ones that I go, we'll see. This one is far enough along where they already signed her to a massive contract. And she's got like $12 million to do this movie, whatever it is. Good job, Daisy. Yeah. I know.

Yeah. So she's getting a lot of money to do this. So, of course, she's giddy. Of course, she's excited. And of course, she's nervous because it's a big movie. And there probably be a second movie. I'm with you in the fact that I wish, like, I didn't mind. I don't like The Last Jedi.

And that is one of those movies that the more I watch it, the less I like it when it comes to as a Star Wars film. because I don't agree necessarily that those movies, because it is a continuation of 7, 8, 9, so I think it needed to be part of that Star Wars, that Skywalker part of it, because it was continuation of that thing. But I do agree that when you get past it, that if you keep spending time in the same freaking era,

it gets repetitive, it gets dull, right? I was excited for Lindelof's original idea that the hell and the ideal type was the Helen Mirren was Ray. and it took place years later where she was kind of like on her way out like the Obi-One of the series at this point that to me was more intriguing

because you can really do exactly what you're talking about build out now we're so far removed from the Skywalker stuff that you can do it by putting it 15 years I think you kind of still have to tie it in a little bit more I think Luke Skywalker has to show up I think he's got to I think the fact that in the same way that he's talking to

you know Yoda in Last Jedi on that bench, why isn't she talking to him? But I love the fact that they're rebuilding the Jedi order because we never saw that. It was one of the things we were so excited for in the new trilogy. No, let's do the same damn story

we did the first time around. Everybody's dead. It's like, we did that already. Let's build the order. The interesting thing to me is she said, I'm the oldest one now. So it looks like they're going with what they've been doing a lot of things.

A lot of kids, whether it's Acolyte, kids, kids, or younger. When I say kids, like teens. Or you maybe 20 years old. Yeah. So what do you make of those comments? I think that that makes sense that she would be older than most of the people on set

because she is going to be probably leading some sort of academy. Yeah. And so everyone should be younger than her. I do think it's far enough where hopefully I think I get what you're saying like Luke should say something. but I hope it's quick and not the entire storyline is dependent on the connections of the Skywalker's. I don't want her to rely on him. Yeah.

Like him being there to like, you know, by advice show up to certain other paddons, why not? Yeah. I want him to just, well, you always have had a thought about this. Haven't trust your feelings. I want him to be that delightful little fortune cookie who just gives you the answer that's already inside of you. A nice quotable quote.

Yeah. He sits on a log like Obi-Wan did in the Return of the Jedi. And he goes, look at this trick. I can sit on a long. And he does that. And he has a conversation with her. And they have a breakdown to where they can, she goes for advice. She goes for advice.

She goes for these things because he's been doing it for 15 years. Him not being there would be odd. And that also, Finn, if they have to, they have to bring back John Boyega. They got to throw the tank at him as far as money-wise goes. Daisy Ridley being there is going to be the reason why he comes back, their buddies. You have to because that story made no sense in the rise of Skywalker. No sense. Do you think they care?

At this point, I think that they do. You do? And if, if Filoni is actually taking hold of this thing now, and there's no world where he thinks any of those Star Wars movies connected the dots, because you can look at what he does, regardless of how much of I've been a critic, I think, over the last few things that he's done, I do think he likes to connect the story of it all. And he's trying to do that in his television shows. I think he would do that here because it makes no sense that Finn would go,

I got a secret for you. What is it? Don't worry about it. Right. Does it even need to be said? Right. And don't worry about it. Yeah.

I mean, in my dream world, you know, he's like my favorite character. They're either the best of buds or they're just like the cutest couple ever. and they're the leaders of the pack. Yeah, I think that ship has passed. Yeah, I know, I know. But if he just comes in for a cool trick, that'll be good enough. But I hope that he's pretty intertwined in the story.

I just... He should be in the academy. He should be a Jedi at this point. I just feel like John Boyega is doing so many other things. It will be shocking, like pleasantly shocking if he comes... You don't think he's going to show up? I don't know. Okay.

He has really... Star Wars. Yeah, I know, but I think that he actually... I think it most recently... It's kind of turned. I feel like he's softened up a little bit, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Well, that's what five years will do to you from the last.

It's also what your friend starring in a movie will do as well. She's like, he needs to come back. I can get him to come back, but you're going to have to, A, apologize to him for sure, and then give him some... Give him so much money. And give him a little creative leeway here, too. Yes.

I think it has to be, well, then what am I coming back to do? If it's for me to just be like, Hey, there, Ray? boop and then leave maybe not so much but if he has an actual wonderful intrinsic part in this film then yeah yeah i agree with you it's like when you see because he's been really in on the films that he's been producing and working with specifically on in netflix films and i think that he has a lot to offer than more than just being an actor i really think he could make the character better and more developed in the way that it should have been i agree i think he should come back because at that point 15 years

he's been training for 15 years, he should be one of the Jedi inside of the Academy. Or at least, you got to, if he's not in it, you got to explain where he is. Right. I mean, you have to, because you've already set up that he's a general. Oh, no, you, well, he gave it up,

and now he's in counting. It's like, what? Yeah. And as far as Poe, I feel like Oscar Isaac is not going to be that hard to convince to come back. And I think they were all over it. I think all of those actors were just over Star Wars. And I think that they were over it.

Obviously, the fan kind of backlash is, like, why am I doing this? This isn't fun. Plus the fact, you'll never get a real answer at him, but I don't think that they liked all the miscommunication between the directors and the bouncing back and forth. We got this director, JJ's got this plan. And then Ryan's with this plan. Colin's going to have this plan. Oh, wait, Colin's gone now. Okay, well, who's coming back? JJ's coming back. Are we going to stick with what Ryan set us up with? No, we're going to go this way now. It's like, that's got to be so jarring for an actor. No one likes that. I mean, when you go to your nine to five, no one likes that. I need, I need this to be one conversation, not 16 email

threads. And that's what that became, basically. Yeah. And especially when you have to go on the, you know, offensive and talk about how great this movie is, how the changes are all amazing. How you loved working with every single director and every single creative choice was absolutely amazing while you're promoting your movie because that's part of the game. That's what I love about. It was so tiring. Totally tiring. That's what I love about what Boyega was doing, though, because he was not doing that.

Boyega was kind of, you could tell, you could see right through it. There was that when they had that horrible line of, they can fly now, they can fly now. he goes, because he's a big Star Wars fan. She was like, yeah, they were flying during the Clone Wars. He said that during like an interview, and it's like, they're flying over the head right now. So anyway, I do like the, and I like Stephen Knight, he's putting together this script.

So, of course, my fingers are crossed. But as I said with the Acolyte, and I said with everything else coming out with Star Wars right now, I'm going in like this, but I'm not going to have high expectations. I know I hope it's like an Andor. I really hope it's like, okay, cool. Check it out for short.

Star Wars movie. I'll be there opening weekend. And then I hope it just knocks my socks off. Same. And then Daisy Ridley is just an iconic, like, stepping into it. She could be. And that'll lead to a second film. Yeah.

That'd be great. That'd be great. Okay. So before we go away from Star Wars, I didn't get a chance. I need to get caught up on Bad Batch, but Steph is caught up all the way through episode 14. I think I'm a few back. But Steph, tell us a little bit about Bad Batch. Okay.

It's super dark. And yeah, I don't know if you've gotten to the part where there's kids involved now, more kids that are than just a mega and it breaks your heart. I don't think so. Okay, yeah. So it's gotten really dark and they've brought back a character in a way

that I'm not mad that they brought back the character. It's fun. So I'll tell you where I was. And this will be spoilers. Be living in the series yet. Are you talking about a Vesventris? No. Oh, okay, don't tell me then. So don't tell me who they brought back.

Because I saw the Asaj Ventra's stuff. What'd you think? They didn't really explain how she's alive. How'd she grow back hair? Well, the hair, the hair, the hair. I think she had hair. I think she had hair in the book. Really?

Yeah, because. Because when you go for that fully bald look, it's hard to go back. It's been, but it's been a couple years. I guess. And I think so, Demi Moore did it back in the day. But I think that Assange Ventris, yeah, they were like, well, they're going to explain. And they might have. I haven't seen past this episode.

How many, does she only in one? She'll only one where she's training. Yeah. They did not explain at all how she's still alive. No. And they were like, don't worry,

we're going to explain it. No, they didn't. They had like a throwaway line that they thought they got rid of me or something like that. Stupid. But no actual explanation.

That's why I don't read the books anymore. Yeah, I like her. So it's fine. And I think that she challenged the batch. It was a good episode. Yeah, in a way that was fun.

But I totally agree where I'm like, this was unnecessary. They could have just met a new character. Could have been anybody, yeah. Yeah. But maybe it comes back at the end. But overall, though... Overall, I'm really liking this season.

Best one so far. Best one so far. I'm intrigued. Every time I'm watching an episode, I don't doze off. I'm really into it. And then I... It's weird. We were just talking about this where I...

The whole week goes by and I'm like, okay, it's cool. But then when I'm actually watching the episode, I'm like, I really like this show. I think they're doing a great job. Chris, you haven't had a chance to watch it yet. I'm not even out of season one because I genuinely, I keep forgetting about the show.

Because when it was coming out, a whole bunch of people were just like, you know, it's not really worth it. It's not really that great. And there's so much media out there. My dad is obsessed with this show. He loves it so much and will constantly be like, did you watch the latest episode of Bad Bad Badge? No, Dad, I didn't see it.

I was watching Baby Ranger this week. And he's like, knock it off. I watched something else. It's, oh, you have to, I binged it. Don't do that. Okay. Don't do that. Very disturbed now.

More so than I was before. But yeah, I need to come back to it. Because every time I sit down and watch an episode, I love it. I like it. It's super fun. Okay, so that makes more sense. Because when we were talking off air, I thought you meant this particular season. No.

Because I probably would have been one of those people. Like, it's fine. So would step. Because we talked about like the first season, it was fine. The second season, it has gotten better every season. Because the second season. The whole first half. First half was like fine.

And then the end ended strong. And it's like when they focus on the story in the, this show, it's fantastic. And it seems like season three is focusing on the story. It doesn't seem like there's like these little side missions and stuff as much. It's a full story, which I really appreciate. We have a goal, a singular goal that's been the goal the entire season with other things added, but in a way that makes it feel full and not just like, oh, okay, we just needed another episode. Yeah. So how about you guys? Have you been watching Bad Bad Bad Badge? Do you like it thus far? Put your comments in there. Tell me what you think. All right, before we go to our next topic, I want to take a quick break. Here you go.

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What's it? Your bolt tech. Oh, this guy, yeah. Did you watch the show? Yes. I haven't watched it yet. I only watched episode one. It's so up your alley. What are you doing?

Did you play Fallout, though? No. Okay, neither did I. And my husband was like, they're relying too much on it being Fallout. And he didn't like it that much. And I was obsessed with it. I was obsessed. I loved it.

I obsessed. We're having a whole debate on, because this is what we talked about last week. But it became like, it was something we discovered that we were talking about. And it happened like at the end of the show. I'm going to start tomorrow's show with it. What's the better show of the year, Fallout or a Shogun? There's no question. To me, it's show.

But the fact that it's so clear fallout is number two. And in any other year, fallout would have been number one. But that's just how good I think Shogun is. Okay. Well, we're going to have that whole debate tomorrow, man. We're going to have that whole debate tomorrow. So join myself, Roxy and Brett. But speaking of Shogun, let's do this.

All right, let's talk about Shogun because Steph loves it. Everybody loves it. I have now watched 25 minutes of episode one. It's better than five minutes. So FX is Shogun. Gun wrapped its 10-episode run the other day, and it has been an astonishing success for the network. It had FX's most viewed premiere on Hulu with 9 million views, and it has received universal acclaim, snagging a 99% on Rotten Tomatoes, 9 out of 10 on IMDB, and the second

best metacritic score of the year thus far. As a series is a complete adaptation of James Clavel's famed standalone book, it's designed as a limited series, and thus a second season isn't planned. Speaking with the Hollywood Reporter series masterminds, Justin Marks and Rachel Condos say they're constantly being asked about a season two, even though there's no plans and no idea what kind of story they want to tell. Mark says, how do you even equal the roadmap that Clavel laid out? I don't know if it's possible. I don't know if Cleville could have done it either. That's probably why he moved on to other books too, right? He knew what he had done. Yeah, it's a tough one. He adds that the, he adds that even the seasonal anthology route of shows like American Horror Story in Fargo doesn't

work for this material. It's tough because in Fargo, you're still telling different threads of the same place, whereas Clavels, the Asian saga goes all over the place for good reason. So it's hard. You're not actually building off the same language in that same way. The acclaim series, which Condo says took five years to get made, centers on the collision of two ambitious men in English sailor who is shipwrecked in Japan and Lord Taranaga, a shrewd, powerful Japanese feudal lord. Okay, so I'll start with this because I've told this story a billion times over the course of my 12 years, but I'll tell the condensed version of it. When I was working on He-Man, Masters of the Universe, I've found this script, which if you know what turnaround is, it was in

turnaround from John Wu. The script was terrible. I took it to Susan Downey. She's like, what, this is a terrible script. I said, I know, but the premise, science means magic, Lord of the Rings, meet Star Wars. She said, I don't know, you've got to get a little bit more to it. So I went to a few more people. I started working with my friend, Neveed Macalogy on it, but then I said, okay, I'm going to have to go outside, try to get the financing side through like the Village Road Show. My friend of Village Road Show. said, I get this, but I don't think so-and-so who's running it is going to get it. So you've got to go somewhere else.

So I go to this place, legendary, this place, people know legendary. So this particular guy who was working there, we'd start, me and Riley started taking meetings with him for weeks. And he's like, yeah, I'm into this. I can get this past for sure. I know this will work. At a nowhere, he goes, oh, yeah, we're doing Conan. We can't do this anymore.

At nowhere. It was like so subtle. I was weird. I'm like, whatever. So my friends were working on this. I got my buddies, Matthew Jenison. And Brent Strickland, I'd gotten them representation because they wrote a great Wonder Woman script. Their script was so good.

Warner Brothers bought it and they kind of moved Josh Whedon off of it. And they were like hot at the time. So I'm like, let's work with these guys and put together this thing because they get it. So we're in the middle of an office. I mean, we're working with them. We get a phone call from Naveed. I mean, Naveed was the producer to Naveed's office. Phone call comes in and it's Justin Marks's agent.

And he's like, Justin found out that you guys are doing. you guys own, you know, or have the rights right now to he may want to do or want to do the movie. Well, he just put together a whole pitch with Legendary's guy who was the guy who said we're not doing this anymore. And that guy basically ripped off exactly what we wanted to do. Justin had no flaw in this.

Justin, no. Justin's fantastic. I've met Justin many times over and I always preface it by saying that I'm a massive fan of Justin Marsh. I think he's brilliant. But he didn't know. He just got brought this thing by this guy who told him. But and then he worked on a human pitch and he was going to do it. But Justin Marks is brilliant.

Justin Marks has done, it was part of Top Gun Maverick. I didn't realize he was part of this show. So this makes a lot more sense. So it makes a lot of sense. So you hear all that. Does it make sense? Obviously you're disappointed, but does it make sense? Oh, yeah.

I mean, in their defense, they've done a very good job of being like, this is a one season start to finish story. And so I've kind of always had that in mind. Did I and do I think that they're going to expand because it is such a blowout pop culture phenomenon now? And I feel like there's like random people that are like, wow, Japan's cool. And I'm like, what do you think Star Wars and everything is? All the costumes in Dune. Like it's all from there. So there's so much rich stories to tell.

But I do love how they intertwined Portuguese and English history as well. I think there's something really cool about this team being. a mix of Japanese and American people that are creating a really cool story. So I, I'm sad. I think there's a lot to explore, but I do think that I would trust this team to maybe find another story. There's so many great historical events that have happened across time, especially in Japan. So why not? You know what? I would have liked to see them tackle because I think of a show that was ahead of its time was Rome. Because Rome was like, Rome was like built for a streaming series. And ultimately a lot of character actors that were in Rome transferred over to Game of Thrones.

Like it was Game of Thrones before Game of Thrones. It was except for the Roman history. But what I believe, and people can correct me in the comments if I'm wrong, but what I believe was that show, the first season was, and this is in 2005 or whatever it was, it was like a $120 million season. That's a big number back in 2005 for a full season. It might even be more than that, but that's a big number. and they really chronicled the history that they were going after in season one. But in season two, they condensed all of like a major, major time periods of Roman history into season two because they knew they were ending it. And it was like, here's everything.

Like, whoa. Rome could have went 12 seasons easily from the start of the Roman Empire to the fall of the empire. I'd love to see these guys retackle the Roman Empire. That'd be really cool. So overall thoughts on all of this. Have you watched Shogun? I'm three episodes down on Shogun. Okay.

And again, watched baby reindeer and I watched both Rebel Moons. Oh, we'll talk about that too. Shogun's really intense and I have to be really, really focused. So maybe we'll try this show that a comedian wrote about a stalker. Amazing. Foolish, Chris. Yeah. It's so good.

I don't want to detract from that. But man, like I had to take several laps afterwards. But I've really enjoyed what's been presented so far. And to your point, too, Steph, I love the history that's woven into. this story. There's a lot of congruency between this and Blue-Eyde-Samurai. I love Bull-Itsy. It's so good. It's so good. And to not shy away. It's animated.

Yeah. It's an anime. Netflix is killing it with it to animates. And to not shy away from the brutality of these things to have the actuality of how the Catholic Church affected things there. How the Portuguese traders affected things is really, really interesting. And I love those kind of stories. I did actually

buy the book of Shogun too. Oh, cool. seeing this get announced because I got really jazzed about everything. So I need to read that too. But I'm excited to keep diving into it. And I'd love more if it's as great as these first three episodes are. And if you're saying it's the best show of the year. I mean, she's not the only one, too.

There's a lot of people to see exactly that. So what I've seen so far, I dig. You just haven't gotten. Well, it was more so I told you there's a frustrating thing that I do that I admitted. I did it with Severance. And I did it for a second with Shogun and realized how stupid I was being. I turned it on and I was tired and I watched it. I was watching it by myself and I watched the beginning.

It was a boat scene. I'm like, I'm like, this show's overrated. And it was, it was two minutes into the show. Right. Like we never go back to that kind of vibe. I said to myself, you're being an absolute asshole face right now. And I stopped it. And I, and I, but when I talked to Roxy about it and I want to, I'm curious if you feel the same because I don't know enough about the show yet, but she said,

said there's a love story that's involved that's very much kind of similar to like outlander and stuff too i haven't seen outlander but there is a romance that is really different and beautiful so that was what i sold my wife on and she's like all right well let's let's watch it so we start we were both we had a very exhausting day at one point we turned it on and she's like i really i really i feel like i'm going to like this show, but you, she's like, I don't, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I have to pay attention. She's like, and I'm not right now because I'm just, my, my focus is off. So let's take a break. And I was like, 20 minutes in. I'm like, okay. I was like, you're right. But like, because I told, because this is the thing that I shouldn't have pitched it to her, because I was literally that day,

going to turn on the camera, watch the episodes and knock out like four and put them all up. But I was like, let me see if my wife wants to watch it now that I have this outlander pitch. And she said, yes. And now. We're probably not going to watch episode one until we're like seven months into living in New York. Yeah. So that's okay. Yeah. And no, it's not stuff.

I know it's not. But what do you want me to say? I like don't know what, what are you doing? Like a move or something? Yeah, you actually, but you've been telling me for your, you told me. Fight your wife. Pick this bad. I told you since the, before, before even came out.

No, before the, even the trailer came out. I was like, this is up your alley. You did. I don't know what's happening. No, you did. You absolutely did. And every time I'm like, I got to watch this. Like, how many time I told stuff to watch something.

and she has. Right. And I haven't done it. So, but. I watched three body problem in one weekend for you. I still haven't finished that. Oh my God. Oh, my gosh.

I know. I know. It's not easy, guys. It is not easy. For my schedule, what I'm trying to tell you is that it is not easy. If I have this, if I'm going to watch something back here, I can right now with this offices and shambles, it's hard for me to watch anything. But I've got to get everyone on board in my house in order to watch something because it's like,

I don't see any of my family until I go inside. And then we're putting the kids to bed. So if I get some time with my wife, it's like 8, 8.30. We got to pick something to watch. If we're tired, we ain't watching the whole thing. We've got to pick something to watch, and we've got to be on the same page with it. This is why people watch American Idol. This is why families turn to American Idol.

Logan and I watch Chopped most of the time. We just go watch Chopped reruns because he teaches all day. And then by the time we actually sit down together, it's impossible. Oh, I don't want to watch anything heavy. Do you want to just play Final Fantasy and I'll read a book or we'll watch Chopped? Do you know, you know what's bizarre is that I saw on Mondays though, Monday's and Fridays, I can, what I'll do is when people are wanting to just spend some time and watch it by yourself. And most of the times I don't do that because I'm like, I just want to go to bed.

But Mondays and Fridays right now, I probably could have knocked out one or two episodes of either three body problem or showgun if I wasn't going to watch with my wife. But I've been watching Monday Night Raw. Oh, I mean. And I was like, that's fun. Because I'm like, well, because I've been the most invested in it that I've been in 15 years. And I'm watching it after I watched WrestleMania with my little one. I was like, okay, I'll tune in to see how they're playing it out. And I've been watching everything.

And I've been into a plus effect, I want to try to get more wrestlers on the show. So I want to be more informed when I'm doing the interviews because I didn't like, because during the Collider Live era, we would have wrestlers on. And I knew I was tuning in here and there. but I wasn't like as invested in it. So it was harder to talk to people about it. Now it'll be easier for sure. But you know my six and a half year old, you know what she watches all the time?

Is it cake on Netflix? Oh. She loves it. That's fine. She loves that show. It is crazy. She loves that show. I lose half the time.

Yeah, Mikey Day hosting that show. You love Mikey Day. Me too. Yeah. He's a solid cast member. He is one of the, I went and saw Beetlejuice musical with my, with my oldest over the weekend.

And one of the main cast members, the guy who plays Alec Baldwin's role on, he looked just like Mikey Day. And I said to my daughter, I go, he looks like Mikey Day. She was like, I was going to say that. I said he looks a little. She goes a little. And I'm reading this book on physics randomly. And it's so, three body problem. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they were talking about how in history we've ebbed and flowed on, we started. with a huge push of science with our philosophers, our main philosophers being very science driven and followed thereafter. Then religion came and the heretics came and they deemed all science

witchcraft and people like Galileo were shamed on the streets and locked in their rooms and you know he was able to, he was on house arrest his whole life basically and I'm like we haven't changed. We just decide who is

our loser for the moment and then we just shame them publicly and it's so gross. I'm glad you brought that up because what I will do is plug my next Tuesday's episode of UIP Tuesday. I just had on a professor at Harvard, Dr. Avi Loeb, who talks about Galileo, talks about that very thing. And the idea of just what all of this stuff is linked. to is consciousness, quantum physics, the idea of spending, bending space and time. Like there was, I asked him, this is this crazy video out there about the Malaysia flight,

the MH370, you know. So there's this video that has been, I don't know if you guys have seen it, and popping around on the internet for the last, like, shoot 10 years. And it shows supposedly, like the thermal video of the plane and then these three orbs going around it and then this poof of energy and then all all of it just disappears it has not yet been debunked in the fact that like there have been people like three quarter crew or quarter crew and other people that have said like oh that's easy to remake and do that but there's been an ask for people to say like the actual person who made this will give you X amount of dollars just give us the

actual files and show us he did this so we can shut up no one's ever come forward yet whatever it might be. There's a guy out there that I'm having on the show named Ashton Forbes, and he's coming on the show to, he is convinced that it was these orbs that did this. He doesn't think it's NHI or alien. He thinks that it's actual technology through quantum physics that did that. And I spoke to Dr. Loeb about that,

and I said, I don't know what to believe in any of this stuff because anything could be doing. I said, I'm not asking you if you think the video is real or not. But is that possible with science? And he said, absolutely. And I was like, whoa. Yeah. Those are the best conversations, though.

Whoa. I love that. I can't wait to watch. Space Center, Houston, we would do all of that with the kids. Yeah. Of just talking about how, like, you theoretically could do time travel. If you have enough mass, you can warp space time, right? You can do all these things.

I love that the answer is always, it's possible. Yeah. It's possible. Yeah. It's so fun. It's the science of it in the way that you should see it. But the video, the video is wild. It is wild.

And it's, you know, my first, my first thought is, of course, it's not real. But this guy, I mean, this guy that I'm going to have on the show next week is convinced that it is. He's got to convince me. I don't, I know, but. That's fun. Yeah, he's got to convince you. He's got to convince me. I'll show you the video real quick.

Okay. 370. So that's the plane. Those are the orbs kind of coming around at, you see this right away, and you think, oh, this could be CGI and someone just made this. Right. And then that. And then it goes Does he have any theories on what the orbs are?

He thinks that it's something, the technology that the anti-gravity that was kind of put together that the government had made that that did that. And it's obviously very controversial and it's, but the idea, I just want someone, I just want somebody to say that's, here are the files. We did that. Some people say that that has happened, but Ashland says it hasn't happened. So I'm fascinated by the conversation in general. Yeah. But if you watch that Netflix doc on that flight, there's no answer yet for what the hell happened.

They were like, oh, they found debris. No, they didn't. It wasn't actual debris. They even say it in a documentary where it was like it was pretty much planted. The debris that they found. It's, watch that documentary on Netflix. It doesn't play with this stuff, really. There's like, as I said, this guy doesn't,

he's like, yeah, there's theories that it was like, like aliens and stuff. They're like, no. But there is technology out there that governments, our government, other governments have that we have no idea works. And that guy, Avi Loeb said the same thing where he believes that there's certain, there are certain companies that have technology that are playing with time and space and that can manipulate energy.

Oh my God. It's crazy when you think about it. But it's a science fiction nut in all of us too. That's cool. Yeah. I don't know what to believe, what not to believe. But anyway, that's the kind of cool stuff we talk about on Tuesdays also. So we just head on Jesse Michaels on the show.

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science fiction, epic for the streamer. It topped the Netflix movie charts in its first week of release. In its first three days, the film reportedly pulled in 21.4 million views, making it the most watched title of the week from the 15th, to the 21st, beating the second week of Woody Woodpecker goes to camp, which my six and a half year old calls creepy, which scored 18.8 million. It also pulled in fewer viewers than this past December's Rebel Moon, which scored 23.9 in its first three days. Both aren't the biggest Netflix launches of late with the Julia Roberts led Leave the World Behind at 41.7 million in its

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probably one I'll wind up watching with the wife. It's fun. before we even get a chance to watch anything else. You're the only one that has seen this now? I didn't know the second one dropped. Oh, part two? Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, it's been a vent in my house.

Wait, I actually liked the first one. I didn't even know. Okay. My husband loved the first one. Yeah. He enjoyed it so much, and I kept joking where I was like, you and Zach Snyder are the only people I think who were excited about this second film. And he was so disappointed in the second.

Oh, no. Because he, if you don't know Logan, Logan has a very tombstone pizza approach to media where it's, Even if it's bad, it's good. It's still pizza. Yeah. Right? He loves everything and he loves dumb fun.

He is a huge apologist for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. So we sit down to watch this movie and it's just not good. And a lot of people, I'm sure, think that I just hate Zach Snyder stuff. I don't. I do think he gravitates towards style over substance. Yes. That's a lot of people feel that way. And I feel like, one, if you took away most of the slow motion in both of these films, could have been one.

And two, it feels like a really good first draft. It feels like there's a lot of cool concepts that would have been really fun to explore because it is his version of Star Wars. It's just not executed in a way that makes sense and feels fulfilling. Bummer. Yeah, I mean, you're not the only person. The first movie I saw mixed results on. First one I saw me, and I'll tell you, from what I saw it, I didn't stop watching it because I didn't like it. I just was one of those movies where I was like I watched it and I was like, I was very excited for it because I always welcome new science fiction,

New, especially the fact that it's that it's around the, based off of Star Wars and those, I was like, yeah, sign me up. And what you just said was one of the reasons I think that I was like, oh, I'll get to, I'll get to it. And that was, I was getting invested in the story. And I really like Sophia Butella a lot. Yeah, she's incredible.

She's great. And I was really getting invested in it, and they would get me to this moment. And here we go, where, here's this thing where she's got to do. She's kind of just got this troubled pass where she was part of this thing and she's trying to get away from it. And we're leading up to this fight and then she just

slow motion and I was like just get to the fight stop with this you don't need slow motion right now like it's slow like literally like okay let me make a phone why do you like farming because in the second one get ready for a lot of bales of hay

to be moved as slow as possible but that's what I mean is like why Logan grew up on farms too and he was like I hate this no but that's that's where it's It just doesn't make sense why you do that because I agree. There are things there. I'm like, great.

And I don't think he's fantastic with actors as far as getting performances. Like really good. Well, I shouldn't say that. I should say that maybe he doesn't cast the best actors all the time for the roles in there. Because Sophie would tell it fantastic. I think who plays the villain? Oh, Ed Skierin? Skir.

Skring. How do you say his name? Scrine. Yeah. He's great. He's great. So those work well. But I think they were like

did not like Ray Fisher in that first movie at all. Oh, I liked him. I thought he was over cooking it. I liked him. I think I liked him because I didn't realize he was Ray Fisher. I think if I had gone and being like,

that's Ray Fisher, I might have been on your side. But I was like, oh my God, that was Ray Fisher. I was today years old. This moment is when I learned that. Oh, you didn't realize that was him? She looked fine with longer hair.

Okay, you didn't mind him in that. No. Very, like, cravets. I thought he was overcooking it. I thought he was overcooking it, but apparently that's just me. But either way, I don't, I haven't seen the second one, so I can't say I don't get the hate, but I don't get the hate on the first one because I don't think it was a movie that you had. And he was just kind of like a, it was a movie. Right.

That's fine. Yeah. I wasn't in love with every aspect of it. And it was a, oh, you know, I've noticed this too with suicide squad. Like the whole assembly process just feels a little like, Ozian. Of like, and now we're off to find our next person. And I understand that that's how that works. You have to like connect the dots and find your crew and everything.

But it does feel very formulaic after a while. And so I feel like sometimes maybe if you show instead of tell again on that second draft, give me, give me just one one. Give me more nemesis because that character is dope as hell. I loved her. She was incredible. Oh, the one who with the spider lady. Yeah. Yeah, she's cool.

Yeah, I really like her. She's essentially like the Jedi, right? Basically, yeah. But like It was just so hard to Fully fully invest and I really I want him to do well I want him to make great movies because I just really like

Zach Snyder as a dude I do too I think he's cool He's nothing he'll be fine But I think that what he needs to do I mean look because the ratings are still the ratings Yeah they lost some ratings in the second one And the critics aren't kind to him

On this one but it's still a success on what Definitely Yeah 40 million views on two on two movies you know so I think he'll he should I would like to see him do something I use I use this example the other day I think guy Ritchie has kind of reinvented himself right he's done some because there was at least to me there was a time when I would see a guy Ritchie movie and I'm like it's the same style for every damn movie he does and I'm just like I just I get it it it's quirky it's the same it's the same thing you're not switching it up and then he went

through this run where he did first of all I had no idea that you can't tell his style really at all in Aladdin I mean if you really look at it you can see it I like I liked the Aladdin remake I think it worked fine but it was the other stuff it's the covenant which did you guys see the covenant no I haven't

did I really like the covenant I'm watching the gentleman and that's the other one gentleman had more of his style in it but it's the balance it's great and then what did I just get out of Vinny Jones and that is so good what he gets out of of what's his face

Theo James? Not Theo James No, you're talking about the gentleman, you're talking about the show We're like Theo? I'm talking about the movie. I'm talking about the movie. The movie because he in The film. Oh, like Charlie Hunnam and all them them, yeah. I don't think Charlie Hunnam, like I don't think Charlie Hunnam was great in Rebel Moon Power when he's fine. And I don't think he's a great actor. I think he's fine. I thought

he was great in the gentleman. I thought he was great in that movie. He was in the gentleman was a fun movie. Yeah. And and And Bobby Finstock, Tom Dangito's in that movie. Oh, he is? He plays Colin Farrell. Colin Farrell is Bobby Finstock in that film, in The Gentleman. I was like, how did I, no, yeah, kind of.

Watch that movie again. I need to watch it again. Watch it again. I just hate watching Henry Golding as a villain. Henry Golding, that's right. That's right. And he's, and he worked with Guy Ritchie again in the movie I just saw in the Ministry of Ungentleman Warfare, which I had a lot of fun with.

Oh, cool. I had a lot of fun of the movie. Henry Golding isn't in that movie enough. I think I told you that last week. Which made me really sad because I love him. He's really good at him. I love him too. Not in it a lot and not as defined.

But my point in all that is that there are a lot of Guy Ritchieisms. That was his inglorious pastors. That's what that movie was. And there's a lot of guy Ritchies. But he goes back and forth and he switches things up. I'm like, oh, okay, that's he did. You can see it inside of the, that movie, the Ministry of Ungenerative Warfare,

that there is a, in the way that like a, like a spill would approach a World War II movie or someone else, there's moments where you're like, oh, if he would have continued down that route and kind of the way that he does in the Covenant, he goes in a very serious military movie, there's no Guy Ritchie, like, he's not trying to do a fun movie there.

He's trying to do a serious war film. And you can see he can accomplish that. That's what I want to see from Zach Snyder. Absolutely. And there's the potential for that, because in the second one, there is a beautiful, almost dialogueless moment with Nemesis that is so well done.

And you can go, oh, yeah, this was done really beautifully. And I don't know if that was Zach directing her, this actress taking point on this, or the two of them just coming together for this beautiful moment. But there's just little glimmers of, oh, there's real potential here. And then there'll be a silly kind of thing where you go, oh, wow, we lined up this shot with no one sitting on that side of the table because we didn't want to move the camera again. And I know most people aren't going to be bothered by that, but I was. But there's just little things like that of there just needs to be a little more finesse and a little bit more of these beautiful, Let me show you something moments.

He's got that potential. Yeah. I think we just have this idea of the aesthetic and the blockbusterness of it that I think he could ease back on and really thrive. I agree with you. And I also wonder this, that what I've heard a lot of people say, that they didn't watch one or two because there's a rated R version coming out soon. And Zach Snyder has said they're completely different movies. now I don't know what that means how you're going to make those movies

first of all why don't you put that movie out first if it's a different if it's a completely different movie do you think that well hey will that have any difference and will a rated R version will it have these kind of numbers

or will people like that I saw it already rated R version ain't gonna do anything for me my only thought on the rated R there is okay so you don't really see much like Star Wars you don't see people when they're killed have the blood splatters or things like that and it's because it's all you know pew-poo lasers hey

maybe this has a ton of blood splatters. Maybe it's really gory. I think it's sexy. Okay, because there is that, but in a very chaste, sheets above you kind of thing. So maybe that's more graphic. But I don't feel like that would really change the game here. Yeah. Yeah.

What do you think so? I think he should have led with that. I think most of his fans are in that still, at least for me, like in that 300 realm. Yes. Just due rate it all then. I don't know. I feel like he's hurting himself and a lot of it might not be his problem with like an extended cut, a regular cut. And it's like let's just see the cut you intended from the beginning.

Especially when it's Netflix. It's like you have the opportunity. It's not like I got, he got screwed with Warner Brothers. He got screwed. They put out a completely different movie. It wasn't his movie and he was able to put out the movie that he wanted. Right. This is, that's not the case here.

It's like putting your contract. like, let's do my version first. And then if you feel like it's too bloody and everything too and you want to show kids, then you can put a thing where it's like, here's the, here's the PG-13 version of it. But this is the pure movie of what it's supposed to be. So I don't understand the strategy of why that happened, maybe because they wanted to get more of the viewers to go in and see it. But like, I am curious of the strategy,

and I'm curious of the game plan of how it actually pans out because I want to see what the numbers are like after that rated R version comes out because it could wind up being a genius move. If people actually go, all right, let's see how different it is. And if it is actually different and it actually is better than the original, then it might be a genius move. It could be too, because Netflix's whole thing, right, is how do you make money on this? You have to keep getting subscribers, not just maintain them, but continue growing.

So, one, you might stick around if you're, oh, I do want to see that, that more gory version of this. Or it might entice you, especially with the password crackdown to sign up so you can see it. Maybe that's part of it. I would actually, I know he probably won't do this, but when I watched the first one, I was like, I think this would have been a really good show. Yeah. Because then you could spend one episode per character,

and then it's like you don't feel as, okay, we're going to the next one. You just start going to the next one by the next episode. I think that pace is what kind of threw me off. Yeah. Anyway, we had other stories we could have talked about, but we didn't. Because we talked about a lot of different things.

we had the kind of conversation that I'm glad that we did. And I want to thank my two panelists here for having those conversations with me, starting with Stephsa Bra. Where can I find you? At Stephsabrah, the World Girls 6 p.m. PT Wednesdays. Very nice.

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