The Kristian Harloff Show - Will Tom Cruise Appear in The Multiverse of Madness? with Rob Liefeld

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

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I know you're ready and you see it. Are you ready? Look, Rob Leifeld is here. He's a creator of Deadpool. Are you kidding me? This is awesome. Look, I've talked to Rob many times before in person. I've actually never done a show with him on air before.

All the times, a Collider and all this other shit, I've never done a show with him before. And I reached out to him. He's always been very gracious with his time. He's always been, anytime I've ever seen him or back and forth on social. I was like, hey, man, I'm having some guests on Big Thing.

Would you want to come on? He's like, yeah, let's do it. So he's coming on today and we're going to talk about a lot of stuff. I want to talk to him about things that maybe he's talked about on other shows with Coy Jandrew, who is here today also. I know how much Coy Jandru loves Rob Liffeld and I was like, hey, man, I'm having Rob on the show and I'd love to have you on with me. And he's like, yeah, absolutely. I'll find the time.

And he absolutely found the time. So Coy Jandru is going to be here because I'm sure that they've had a conversation about Deadpool and how that all came to be. I don't know a lot of it. I want to learn that. But besides that, if you follow Rob on Twitter, you should. he talks about like he's he's like us he talks about all the shit that he's watching and even even when i asked him off the he's like i'm watching ozark me too he's like i'm watching the star war stuff me too and he said and he said to me he's like just got to make sure we talk about dr strange i said

dude we're we're speaking the same language here so i'm so excited to have him on i've always been a massive fan of his and i can't wait to bullshit with him but before we do that i want to make sure you guys i'm just asking for a little bit of class just announce that's all you got to do just an ounce of class. And if you do it, then you've done your duty. You've subscribed. You have hit the notification button all that.

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It is the big thing. And today's big thing is Mr. Rob Liefeld. Let's get at it. What's up, everybody? Welcome back. It's the big thing. Now, joining me, you've been watching our Batman rewatches and our Spider-Man talks. And you know this guy. It's Koi Jan Drew. Coy, I'm pretty pumped. Man, you remember when we were

walking around New York and we were talking about Shmowdown and we were talking about like when we're doing spectacular and I was like you know I really want to be there you know I really want to get there was Rob Blyfeld and I was like we got to get Rob out there and then finally we got a chance to talk to him together on this show together every time and he is as enthusiastic about everything as you think so he's the perfect a perfect candidate for the show all right well as much as I love talking to you I've talked to you enough ladies and gentlemen the one and the only the creator of Deadpool he is Rob Blyfeld what up man how are you you guys thank you I'm not dead you're talking about like he's still got a pull he can do it yeah guys i appreciate it thank you so much um

uh okay guess what what fed x is at my door oh my gosh this is ma'am do i have to sign ma'am do i have to sign or can i just say thank you i have to sign go go for it rob i'm rob go forth thank you so much And what an introduction. A first for me ever, okay? The, I literally, the FedEx car, I saw it pulling around. I'm in my cul-de-sac and these people love me. But today of all day, they need a signature.

They never need a signature. And my office overlooks my beautiful front yard. And you can't miss me. I'm right here. So sorry, guys. What a way to start a show. Anyway, bring back to the fact that, I do have a pulse.

You do. Oh, he's still so excited. Of course I'm excited. This stuff excites me. You don't understand. And thank you for having me on the show. The FedEx delivery lady on the show, that interaction on the show, because that's why we do live, right? If I mean, here we are.

So thanks for. And Coy, great to see you. Christian, great to see you. Thanks for having me. Yeah, man. It was like, as I was saying in the intro, Rob, I know we had just, I think actually the first time you and I had ever met was our late grade. Angel above John Schnepp introduced us years and years ago.

And we always, yeah, he was absolutely the best. And then I think that we used to start getting into conversation because we're both like Star Wars fans and we were getting into all those conversations. And we just never did a show in the air together. But I was, as I was looking through and saying, all right, people I need to talk to. And you're one of them.

And one of the things I always wanted to talk to you about. And again, apologies if you guys talked about this on heroes back in the day. But with the Deadpool, both the movies. Yeah. The character in general, I never really know, I don't really know the story on how, how you created him. I don't, I don't know the whole thing. Would you, do you mind giving a, given a break down that only? Trust me.

I, uh, I have to do it all the time. I mean, it's, it comes with the, uh, if I do an appearance, you know, uh, always, there's, there's, there's kids, parents. And, uh, the great thing is I have a, um, I have, I don't have a cool, like, video set up like yourself, but I have a podcast called Rob observations. And so I'm going to give you the, the bite-sized version of this. But I actually last year, because it was his 30th anniversary, I did a five-part. I took the whole month of January because he really does, he crosses, you go 30 years with the character, you're going to watch that character become a whole lot of stuff.

But look, Deadpool was created out of necessity, first, foremost, always. I had created a character named Cable. Josh Bowlin appeared as Cable in Deadpool, too. He did a phenomenal job. I could not have been more thrilled. but in the comic books, cable came along as I was tasked with turning this book around, which was really the, honestly, it was the dog of the X-Men line. When you're lagging several hundred thousand back from like the third place book,

and there was only four of them, you know, you got to do what you got to do. So I introduced my kind of futuristic super soldier cable, and audiences flipped. And that earned me the job of writer. they were that when I came on they said look we want to you know change everything up and we want to give you the full writer artist but it's going to take a while you you know we've got a transition it was my editor actually was very thoughtful to everybody involved but when they finally said rob you know we're eight issues in we're going to give you your shot i mean that that you're nervous you're like i got to land this plane i have i absolutely have to land this plane so new munich 98 is my debut as the

writer. And that is why there is three brand new characters, Deadpool Domino and a character named Gideon who could still see glory that we have not seen him achieve yet. But no, Zazi Beach portrayed Domino in the movie as well. So it's great that New Mutant's 98 kind of brought everybody together. But I tell people, because this is so fascinating to me, because again, I was talking to this on my own show the other day. Recency bias is driving me crazy. People will watch the Batman trailer with Pattinson and Matt Reeves and go, oh man, that's from this comic book that came out last week. No, it's not. That's not true. You're denying the people who rightfully did that work, okay? Because all you want is for what's in front of you right now to have mattered

more than history. And history, you know, history matters. And the reason I love talking about this is at the time I created Deadpool, my friend, Spider-Man had become as grim and gritty, almost unrecognizable because everybody was trying to get that Dark Knight Frank Miller vibe. Because now the other day they're like, oh, Batman doesn't kill him. I'm pretty sure in Dark Night too, he snaps a guy's neck and leaves him in the mud. So not sure where fandom falls on this. But I mean, Dark Knight was just, I mean, Superman and Batman threatening to kill each other. I mean, for real, I mean, it was Green Arrow's arm is torn off.

He has to fire his bows with his mouth. I mean, Frank Miller. Yeah, he changed comics forever. And people forget because it was more than 10 years ago. Yeah. But at the time, creators all wanted to now emulate this new. They knew that audiences wanted something a little more, I'll say, grizzly. And so Todd McFarland had kind of done the bouncy Spider-Man that everybody loved,

but now he wanted to do the darker version. And if you look at like the first year of Todd McFarland doing this, and it was a best-selling rendition of Spider-Man, but Spider-Man was dreary as hell. He is, imagine six issues of the dreary Andrew Garfield who walks through the portal who's just like, oh, I'm so depressed and no one loves me and no one saw my movies.

And I mean, like, that is the Spider-Man we were getting, okay? Like shadow, heavy shadows. Todd cast a ton of just Spider-Man was always darkened in shadows. Mary Jane was dancing all night. He was, you know, she was out at the clubs in micro minis because Todd wanted to portray Mary Jane as sexy as possible. But she and Peter were having problems. The bottom line is one thing Todd McFarland isn't, he's not funny. And he didn't write a funny Spider-Man.

And the Spider-Man that I grew up with was funny. The Spider-Man in 1975, 1976, yes, I'm that old people, pulling those off the spinner racks. He was always punching you, making a wise crack. And that Spider-Man had been kind of table. So I wanted to very much cash in on the Spider-Man of my youth, and I went to Marvel and also very much needed a fully masked character. We could do in a whole episode on fully masked characters and actually how popular they are,

but also how simple they are. And sometimes you need that release valve when you're working. The guys you draw Spider-Man, they get it. They know what I'm talking about. And the guy who was drawing Spider-Man, Todd was taunting me all the time. And, oh, bud, bud, bud, bud. You're drawing the eyes. the nose and the mouth and the hair and and and the ears and and I'm doing an oval and two

ovals I'm done I'm done and I heard that all the time. I'm a silent impression. It's so solid. Really great. I said I will see your Spider-Man and raise you a Deadpool and if we put webs on him if I draw right now markers and put webs you're going to see the Spider-Man but I went to Marvel I said I want to do I want the guy who's hunting cable to be a mercenary along the lines of the Boba Fett that I grew up and loved. I never heard of a mercenary or bounty hunter until I heard a Boba Fett in my youth. That's awesome. And I said, but Deadpool is the Spider-Man I grew up with.

He's the asshole, the smart ass. But I said, Deadpool is Spider-Man with guns and swords. And they're like, yeah, whatever. Cable is selling a million copies. We're good. Whatever you want to do, Leifeld, do it. And then I said, oh, by the way, because I love Wolverine so much, can I, can I tie him? into Wolverine's origin and this is the end of the answer Christian Wolverine was called weapon X

and I said is that X Roman numeral I think it is because he's you know is he weapon 10 and they're like yes that's it I said so so Deadpool is weapon nine before they figured it out and I I had I had formalized all of this and this is the big bomb drop walking out of the Arnold Schwarzenegger Danny DeVito classic twins You have genetically altered people in that movie, okay? Right? And at the end of the movie, because I'm a long-time comic fan, but I'm like, okay, we now know why they're twins. They were created in a lab.

And I don't know if you remember that scene, but the doctor says, you know, Schwarzenegger goes, well, how are we twins? And the doctor says, well, we, when we created you, we used all the good stuff. Yeah. And Arnold says, I'm the good stuff. I'm the good stuff. And then, and then Danny DeVito goes, but what about me? And the doctor goes, oh, you were all the bad stuff. And Danny DeVille goes, I'm all the bad stuff.

And then the audience roars. And I'm like, Deadpool was the bad stuff. They didn't, they hadn't made an omelette yet. They were cracking, you know, eggs and burning them. And so Marvel went, hook, line, sinker. Deadpool appears, New Mutant's 98, sells out, blows out. And we already, at that point now, we're selling like 800,000 copies. When I took over New Mutants, it was selling 100,000 copies.

So audiences dug him, Marvel's biggest mail in back when people used to write letters and put them in envelopes and mail them to the publisher. Their biggest response ever, they called me two weeks later. They go, we need this Deadpool guy in a lot more comics. They're like, the audience loves him. And so we responded in kind. And there's your, that's the shortest I can give that. I love that answer, but did you just, did you know right away?

Because obviously the passion and the idea of putting this all together, but did you know once it's start? You're, oh, shit, this one, this, it's going to catch. It's really, it's, this is, when I saw the pages colored up, I knew I had something. Look, look, cable had really, you understand new mutants,

they said, we're going to cancel it unless you turn it around. Yeah. And, and I was able to turn it around. And so, you know, but, but still cable in and of himself,

they're like, I don't know that people are going to like him. He's kind of old. People don't want to like old characters, Rob. Why is his hair receding? And I'm like, well, because he's Bruce Willis on Arnold Schwarzenegger's body. I mean, everything I saw in film, I would just apply to my comic page. But Cable was that they doubted everything and it kept succeeding.

So if you're asking me, did I think Dead Bull was going to work? Yes. I thought Domino was going to work too. I never had great faith in Gideon and his green ponytail. But I had him there anyway. completed my my my my my my introduction but look yes i knew what was going on look i i'm i said to my friend the other day so if i said it to them i can say it to you right now on the air i'm kind of a comic book savant i find you i figured out myself and what makes me tick and why i look at things

the way i do and and i'm i'm obsessed with predicting trends i'm obsessed if something's working i want to go all the way into that and i can generally source it really well but i have had a great track record of anticipation. You know, I told my son, I go, he was, you know, call me some name. And I said, no, no, no. I'm an anticipator. That's what I am. I'm an anticipator. And so I anticipated a need. We fed it. It rocked. Now, that said, because Deadpool was on toy shelves. This is what people don't understand. Deadpool was on toy shelves in the big box stores, Target, Walmart, Toys R Us, KB Toys, all across the nation a year later. And so was cable. So now, on toy shelves and a lot of people tell me my first encounter with them was on buying him off

toy shelves i mean this was not just comic stores i'm talking if you took little billy down the aisle in target or walmart they those toys ex-force toys deadpool toys were there then eventually gets in the video games and where marvel gets all the credit for keeping him and making him as relevant as he became prior to ryan reynolds making him a global phenomenon is he was in four straight games across four years about 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010. Marvel just kept dropping him in and making him the most important character in each game. The Lego Marvel game, when it finally launched, I think that's 2013. I get a call from an executive at Warner Brothers.

I will not reveal this executive's name, but I could not believe this. I'm like, hey, what's up? We haven't talked to a while. Yeah, yeah, how you doing, Rob? Phony, phony, phony, phony, phony, phony, phony, phony, phoey, phony, hey, here's why I'm calling. Do you think you give me the code to unlock Deadful of my kids? My kid wants to get to Deadpool in this Lego game.

He's the ultimate unlockable character. Will you provide that for us? And I said, I don't have that access. Lego didn't get, oh, okay. Hey, man, hope things are good. Bye, click. Um, and I'm like, dude, I have like the second in command of Warner Brothers call me to see if I could hook this kid up to get him.

Because once you, you had to reach the end of the Lego game, you unlocked Deadpool, not at level four, like level 14. I mean, you had to really, so I'm, people think I have the cheat code. for this stuff, right? And look, Warner guy, if you're still there, I would have given it to you. If I had it, I would have given it to you. I didn't have it. So, well, so speaking of the movies, though, I got to ask you this because this is something, because listening to you and, and even following you on Twitter, you are, you can tell you're a massive movie fan and then hearing all that stuff about, like, even what you said, that Bruce Willis, no, on Schwarzenegger stuff,

that's stuff that you were doing. So just to bring in some, I guess some, some heartbreaking moments in your life, or maybe it wasn't. But when you're, so when Deadpool starts to really get, uh, really popular in the comic book movie starts to, to boom. And then they're like, hey, we're going to put him in a movie. And it turns out he's in X-Men, uh, Wolverine. Uh, and so at that point, do you lose your fucking mind when you see what they do to him in that movie?

Uh, I was very disappointed, but I, I, I knew that they were mistreating him a year out. Okay. Braced yourself for it. I begged them to do an after credits. with him in the mask coming out. I was literally six weeks before it premiered. And they were already freaking out because the movie had leaked online.

And they estimate that costs them hundreds of millions of dollars, which I think it probably did because I put, so last night, January 27th, was the date that they released the promo shot of Hugh and Gambit and Ryan Sabretooth. It was a really memorable. iconic shot that really held a ton of promise. And Ryan is in his red tank top, you know, Hugh Jaggins in his white tank top. It's a great scene. I put that up because it was 13 years ago

that they put that out to get people juiced about, you know, what was coming in May. And I went to a convention that weekend. I remember that 2009, I went to a convention in Arizona and that shot, people were freaking out. Oh my gosh, the anticipation was there. Well, in the movie leaks, I actually am on the lot with the executive that's running the everything six weeks. And I said before, And we know they can shoot things. And I mean, they're changing. They're editing no way home as it's in the theater. Like they're uploading new.

I mean, they can do this. They can slice stuff so fast. And I am, and after a year of being told, I was told over and over again, Gambit is the most important character in this movie. You've got way too much focus on Deadpool. I'm like, man, you do not go to message boards. You are not in, you do not know what you're talking about. Like, like, Deadpool needs to be a priority here.

I said go to the sound stage. I'm literally, because obviously if you've been to the Fox Live, you can't throw a rock and not hit multiple sound stages. So I said, go to the sound stage today. Have special effects. Have them do a mask overnight, okay? Get a guy to come out of the shadows with a gun and a katana. Just you'll get $200 million in screaming fans.

That let that be here. And they're like, oh, no, no, no, we have a really funny, funny, you know, after credits where. where the head is crawling. I don't know if you remember this. It's God awful, terrible. But like, this is an era where they just didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Absent Hugh Jackman's charisma and dedication to those films and that character, those movies would have broken against every rock, I mean, on the shore. I mean, they just, they really, you know, they really righted the ship prior to Deadpool with Days of Future Pass, which I will go down in the mud,

wrestling with you. What a great, awesome movie that movie is. They were getting things right. They really got it right. Again, Deadpool, Logan, but look, Wolverine Origins, I just, after the opening with Ryan cutting the bullets with the Catanus, that movie doesn't exist to me. I close my eye and I go, that's it. That's a wrap. Awesome. That 10 minutes of Wolverine Origins is fantastic. Right, Coy? Come on. I get, it's Deadpool, but I got to know if you watched Blade Trinity and saw Deadpool being born there with Hannibal King. Did you see the beginning of Ryan there? When I went and saw it, I felt like, did they,

because I'm going to tell you something, Hannibal in the comics was nothing like Ryan Reynolds' portrayal of him. Hannibal in the comics, who was introduced into Madracula and then went on to Encounter Blade was this kind of grim, not a snarky, funny guy. But so, yeah, when I'm watching Ryan, and I think that's when the new line,

guys who had the rights to Deadpool at the time. Talk to Ryan about it. But when Ryan was announced at Deadpool, like, let's go to that. Like when Ryan was announced, it's like, oh my gosh, they struck the landing. This is going to be huge. And then yes, too, how do you sew his mouth shut and give him the mark with the mouth, the character. It's like it's like blinding cyclops. Like what are you doing? You know what? I'm going to tell you, Christian, about about a month, no, five weeks, six weeks before Deadpool two came out, uh, David Leach had me over. to his, the director of Deadpool 2 had me over to show me. He goes, you're going to get a kick.

You're going to get a kick out of this. They had told me like in February of that year because they showed me a rough cut. They go, we haven't done the after credit scene. You're going to dig it. And he showed me how Ryan goes back and basically eliminates that movie. You know, Deadpool goes back to correct the guidelines, right? So in my mind, I'm like, you know what? Ryan in the tank top, slice it because you got to remember the trailer for Wolverine origins.

Again, so much promise. Okay. And when he is jumping over and slicing the bullets and half, you're like, they're upping the Matrix, because everyone was out trying to outdo the Matrix still. Like, we can slow things down and we will slice a bullet with a blade. And you're like, oh, shit, oh shit, this movie's going to rock. And then you go, what? I anticipated awful. And the thing that to this day, and I do this on stage whenever I go to shows, because it has to be done full figure.

I stand there and I go, here's the thing. that I, when something takes you so far out of the movie, when, when he steps forward with his mouth shut, and these blades come out of his forearms, these giant katana blades, but they're like six feet long and you're like, how does that retract back up your arm? Because then that locks your elbow.

So you walk around like this. You know, how are you? That blade is too long. If you retracting, what's it going up to your bicep? I mean, the whole thing was so poorly constructed that I just want to, I don't understand. How did that come out of him? And does it melt on its way back in? And it just doesn't make sense.

Were you at the premiere for that movie? I was not. I was not. Okay. But let me tell you something. Here's the great thing. After all my warnings, after all of my cautionary, like you guys are like, dude, Lauren Schuller-dauner calls me six weeks.

after Wolverine Origins, and they say, we need you in our offices. We are going to do a Deadpool. We know we have something good here. We screwed it up, and we want to make it right. And we want you in the room. And suddenly, now, after not being taken seriously, I am sitting at a table in the summer in August of 2009 with 15 people writing theories. What do you say? You know, I mean, they're like, who should be his girlfriend? Siren or Vanessa? Vanessa. I go, Vanessa. Okay.

Sirens out. Okay, should cable be? No, I said, I said this to them. I feel so bad. I'm betraying cable, but Ryan needs his own movie to get everything in there. And cable in the first movie,

we'll only complicate things, make it clean. And then they're like, well, what's this? And so we did it? And I jammed with them on two consecutive story meetings. And then, you know what? I think it was about three months later, they announced that they hired Rhett and Paul. and Zombie Land had just come out.

And I literally fell off my chair. I'm like, oh my gosh. Because zombie land, one is so genius, right? Paul and Rhett are phenomenal. And then literally six months later, I read that screenplay. And I'm like, so we're making this movie tomorrow, right? It's like it would have quitting Tarantino,

at his peak Tarantino walked in and said, I got you. I can do this. it's R-rated, you know, it's, um, it's told out of order. It's nonlinear. It's so Tarantino, but the language, the relationship, but the heart, I just thought it was a no-brainer. And then it was literally kicked the ball down for, for six years.

Yeah, because you're talking 2009 here at this point. So when, and the movie comes out, 2016. So when it finally, and it's great, by the way, it's a great story to hear because you don't get that a lot of the times where, where a production company will call up and say, hey, we, we messed up, man, like the sit down. and the fact that they take the creator. Well, you know where it is actually happening right now? My daughter is a massive fan of the Percy Jackson books.

And so they didn't listen. Rick Rodin, I believe. So they didn't listen to him at all for his input in the movies. And they came out very similar to what you were just talking about. And now he's writing the scripts for the TV show. So it happens. It's rare, but it happens. And so it happened with you.

And then it happens for the movie is announced. and I remember they did the big announcement of how it was going to be. And then they announced that it was rated R. Did you always know leading up to it was going to be rated R? Because there was always that thing. Are they going to go PG-13? Are they going to go after it? So the first draft is hard R.

I mean, like the language, the sex, the violence. And at that point, I felt like, again, you got to remember. And let me pivot and stop right here. I'll tell you why they were going to take another crack at it, even though they missed. Even with all of the two factors, even with all. of the misgivings and ill that Wolverine origins had. It made a lot of money. It opened it like $90 million.

Okay. And that summer is when people fell in love with Ryan because four weeks later, people forget he came out with the Sandra Bullock romantic comedy. So, so, and then middle of the summer, he's on the cover of entertainment weekly shirtless coming out of the pool with 20 abs. And you're like, how many abs can one person? Half. Okay. So Ryan, Ronald is now, they love him in the proposal.

Women love him. Men aren't threatened by him. They love him. And he's hell of funny. Has been since Van Wilder, has been since the Pizza Place show. I mean, the guy is, I think they go, if we can bottle this and get this right, it's worth to try. Ryan was a producer at this point, too. They had given him a producer deal on doing Deadpool. but the R-rated script, I felt like, so by 2009, remember, we're now three Spider-Man movies,

four X-Men movies. We've got two hulks because the Bono Hulk and then the Ed Norton Hulk came out in 2008. I mean, you've got Iron Man. You're just on the Marvel side alone. You've got 11 films that you've already partake, you know, between, I hate to say, the Fantastic Four and the Daredevil movies, but the Ghost Rider movie, I mean, we probably have 15 now that I counted out. prior to this, I felt like, you got to go R. It's the way to separate yourself from the pack.

And like I said, the craziness in here, I'm going to, I'm going to establish something while they were making Deadpool 2 in between one and two and then Logan had already been made. My Disney executive buddies who had I would regularly have dinner with, by regularly I mean six times a year. One meeting started. I cannot, I have to refrain from imitating the voice here because it'll get me in trouble and give away. So the executive walks in and goes, yeah, I'll just do it in Rob Liffel voice. Got to keep it Rob Lifel. Okay. The executive walks in and says, yeah, thanks a lot.

F you. And I'm like, what? He's like, they were so lost. Fox was lost. They didn't, they couldn't find, you know, a bag of chips on the grocery aisle. He goes, but, but you gave him the flashlight and you showed him. where the mouse hole is and now they're all crawling through it to the other side because because the formula they've discovered Deadpool, Deadpool, our ratings, Logan. He goes, and he

and the guy literally says, F you, we're going to have to pay a billion dollars for this now. He goes, we were, we were about to get it all for $500 million. Now, and I'm like, yeah, that's not my problem. Like, but this is how people, this is how the other side saw it, but go back. and you go Deadpool 1 so 2016 Deadpool 1 Logan 2017

2018 Deadpool 2 I mean between the two Deadpool movies now you're making billions they both make

800 million then Logan makes 750 whatever so Fox is like and I remember now I'm going to Fox and again

they were so good to me all throughout Deadpool all throughout Deadpool 2 and I go to see the executives there and they're like

hey do you like the new banner. And I'm like, I didn't want to notice, mention it. But yeah, like, they had taken two giant walls on the lot and painted it Deadpool. And the movie hadn't been in theaters for like three months. And he's like, Foxxiex looks at me and says, Deadpool is our most important asset yet. It's the most successful franchise we have. And I'm like, uh, uh, okay, awesome. And then I think Disney's like, no, this, this is not good. And trust me, another executive explained to me the reason why the, the desire, to grab the Marvel catalog from Fox was so great.

Because I'm like, explain it to me. What am I not seeing? He goes, Rob, it's release dates. It's holding theaters. It's whole, they were so pissed when Deadpool 2 moved up and shrunk the window between endgame and solo. Hi, hey Disney, you know how you have solo three weeks out of Engate,

Infinity War? We're going to drop Deadpool right in the middle there and suck up $800 million. And this went with what I was told a year ago. theaters, screenings, holding screens, holding IMAX screens, not giving them up for even seven-day windows. And here's a deal. The next year I saw the full flex, because I don't know if you guys remember, it was right before the pandemic. I sometimes think God punished us because of what Disney did. God punished us as a society because Disney finally was like, watch this. We're going to give you $8 billion franchises. We're going to do whatever,

Toy Story 4, the last Star Wars end game. Lion King, Captain Marvel, and then there's another Disney one. Aladdin, dude, they all made a billion dollars, and they held screens, and they held IMAXs, and it was like, it was like, and then at D23, Iger walks out, like, I'm retiring, because I'll never top this.

Jordan, hitting that shot and walking off the court. He's like, I have just delivered to you the greatest experience any studios ever had, all of our top, releases, you know, did a billion. Is there something else that was Lion King? I'm telling you, man, that was the craziest summer. Everything they released, but just not summer, that entire calendar year. Toy Story also, wasn't it?

Toy Story 4. Yeah. Yeah. Again, the Star Wars movies, two Marvel movies. The remake of the cartoons are Lion King and Aladdin. Yeah. And there was something else that I'm not hitting on. There's a blind spot in there.

But it was an enormous run of films that were making. this amount, these billions, this yield. And he's like, Rob, it's, it's, it's also not competing by, by taking them and absorbing them, we're not competing with them. So it's like we're doubling. And I'm like, I still don't know how you get to four billion on that, but okay. Like, okay, okay, done. I know I wandered here. No, no, no, way off the rails. Bring us back, Christian. So while we're on a billion dollar Marvel, I've noticed a lot of life imitating art when it comes to Deadpool. So you've got a very dark, dreary Spider-Man,

Deadpool movie works out. You've got a very dark, dreary Deadpool, Ryan Reynolds movie Solo works out. We've got a very dark, dreary time with Fox over at Disney. And now theoretically, we do have Deadpool entering the Marvel universe as an R-rated character. So that's three going on four times Deadpool in his R-ratedness has saved an entire entity if you count at X-Force originally.

And I want to jump in there, though, as you were off, because when it comes to, that's the thing, though, with Disney, and I know you have a relationship with them, Does it make you nervous that Deadpool's over at Disney? Because with Fox, it was balls to the wall. It was that character that you created and it was the guy that, you know, is that hard are you think that we're going to get the same, we're going to get the same guy that we've seen the last two movies.

So, okay, in answer your question, let me look right into the camera. Am I nervous? Yes. Yes. Fair. And that, of course I am. Dude, I, I, look, man, what I don't know what's going on. And that answer actually set off my dog.

So now for him, my dog, I yelled too hard. I scared him. But the thing is, of course, look, here's a deal. Okay. You know, when I said, like, I'm a comic book savant, like, it was the minute I saw the trailers for what they were coming out, which would, it all got bumped on the schedule. But the bottom line, 2021 was a, everything they gave you was born of the 1970s.

Shang Chi, Shang Chi was. introduced. Black Widow, it really took off in the 70s as a solo character after, I mean, she came around in the late 60s. But then the Eternals completely born of the 70s. Like, like, and there's a part of me that was like, and again, the thing with the Black Widow is, and Taskmaster in the 80s, Red Guardian. I mean, everything they showed you in Black Widow is the bottom line, it's the Bronze Age of Comics. In 2021, we got this, which is my childhood. And again, there's the Golden Age Silver age, Bronze Age, Modern Age, modern age, okay?

And I keep going, can we just have the X-Men? Can we just, like, like, you know what? Like, just give us what we want. What I want is, is, I want to see the Fantasy IV. I want to see the X-Men.

I want to, like, those characters, like the irony of it, Christian, you can put me to the test here because I've done it already and it can't be cracked. Iron Man as an MCU film hit number one every time.

Iron Man has never test me on this. never hit the number one slot as a comic book. So it really was a lesser celebrated entity. And that's what Figey did so well. And I paid my $250. I ordered my history to MCU giant 50 pound. You can barely lift it. It's like two cabal.

They don't send those to you for free. Say what? They'll send those to you for free. They should be sending those to you for free with your life. Deadpool and cable aren't in those. So, so, yeah, again, MCU, MCU. Fox you, right? But I, and look, what they did is they took a bunch of characters that Wall Street,

the financial markets said were not as worthy as X-Men and Spider-Man, right? And I think now I've got to be honest. And if he's being in trouble, whatever, it's not the first time my, my, you know, mouth gets me in trouble. Sony is never giving Spider-Man back. Like, it's astronomically expensive. I mean, maybe if Jeff Bezos buys Disney. He can then buy Spider-Man, right?

But I mean, like, if the Spider-Man catalog was $100 billion, like a week ago, it's, you know, whatever, $10 billion, $50 billion. The sky's the limit. And you can see on the smile, remember, the man who would not push the button and make Deadpool was named Tom Rothman. That's a guy. It's like he didn't utilize his quarterback right and he got fired. and now he's gone to the next NFL team and he's like, I'm running the offense the way it's supposed to be run now

because he gets it. Now he's like, we have access to the Spider-Man world. And, you know, the Venom movies do a billion dollars. The Venom movies do a billion dollars. Crazy. So now you've got like all anybody, you go online and all, when's the McGuire Garfield movie?

When's Garfield going to fight Venom? And it's like, wait, when did Tom Holland like disappear? Okay? Like, it's all, like if you, and I talk to another guy who has a giant sight and I said to him, are you going to tell me that all your traffic is Andrew Garfield? And he says, all my traffic is Andrew Garfield. And again, that movie worked on such a meta level, right? Because we are watching Andrew Garfield come through the portal just as much as we are watching Peter Parker. And the restoration for Andrew Garfield, I think resonates with us more than the rest of the- Because we're underdogs. Like comic fans are underdogs that want the redemption. Him going to. Spider-Man 3 is us going like, yes, that's how I feel. And so when he saves Zendaya and he's feeling at the moment, we're excited for Andrew Garfield more than we're excited for Peter Parker. It's weird.

It's into the metaverse. That's what that movie is. We are all now living in the Marvel universe. We just don't know it. But I'm telling you, man, so look, here's the deal. Deadpool, X-Men, let's go, let's go, let's go, let's get them going. Why aren't they going? And here's the deal.

I know the MC Fox figured it out. They got a formula. That R-rated formula worked. Again, Christian, my kids were 15 and 13 trying to see Deadpool, and they couldn't get into the theater. And I pulled this story a million times, and I'll make it really quick. They bought Zoolander two tickets instead,

and I really ratted them out. I'm like, why are you giving the family money to Ben, killer? Okay, call me. I'll make arrangements. I will walk in there with you and your, And it wasn't just them. They were going with their six other teenager, 50-year-old friends. And they thought they could do.

And the guy's like, you're not, you're not old enough to buy tickets to get in. But like teenagers, like we all were, I'm proud that he snuck in. I'm so proud of him. But on the end, like, you know, you don't know how much of that money on both of those. And Logan, too, went to other movies for people to sneak in. So do I trust that Disney is going to make an art-rated movie? Can you wake me up in two years? You can show me that it worked.

Okay. That's the final button of my question was the life imitating art. Do you think that Deadpool is the way Marvel finally invests in the more adult content that DC's already doing? Like we have Peacemaker. We have, you know, Harley Quinn animated. We have R-rated DC. I feel like we have Deadpool to, like, I think he's going to be the thing that matures Marvel in the cinematic universe. So I say, look, when John Fabro said this on the Mandalorian Roundtable after C.

season one. You know, because I'm as an older dude, I'm always looking for a guy to connect with. So, you know, I texted him. Let's hook up. No, I didn't. Um, but he said this on the roundtable. He's like, look, man, because, because I had a studio in the 90s full of young 20-somethings when I was late 20 or early 30 something. And when I talked shit about Return of the Jedi and the Ewoks, they're like a fin. That's our first Star Wars movie we saw in theaters. Oh, see, I'm an OG, dude. I saw 177 Star Wars, I lived there. It was my babysitter for 20 weeks, okay? And 33 screenings.

And by the time, so Favreau was saying the exact same thing. He's like, by the time I went in to see Return of the Jedi, I just wasn't into it. And I remember I felt betrayed that it was another death star as a kid. Like, wait, wait, wait, we're stopping another death star. They're just rebuilt it. What? And then in the news, the Starlog magazines, everybody had teased that that was going to be a wookie planet, not an Ewak planet. Credit to George for going, I'm losing guys like Rob Leifeld.

I need the young crowd. I'm going, I'm doubling down on kids. He has incredible vision. But after that, what did I start watching? Alien, aliens, predator, the lethal weapon series, you know, Robocop. Everything was R-rated in my life after that. That's where I found my, my, my, I was ready to go to the next level. My son had his 16th birthday party with his entire varsity basketball team.

We took them. He said, we said, what did you want? He goes, we want opening night, Civil War, IMAX. Boom. That picture is in on his bulletin board in his room. I look at it all the time. I'm like, I can't believe all these, you know, when I was a kid, the jocks didn't like the comic books.

But the entire varsity basketball team, we took them to see Civil War. They are growing out of that. The Marvel fan is 12 years past Iron Man, okay, or older. And I'm with coy. Get a mature, get a mature bridge. Because you balance it. have both just like the comics. That's why I think everything that scratches, the badge you mentioned, Coy,

Peacemaker, the Suicide Squad, these types of things, because that's why I'd asked you off air about peacemakers, because there's, whether it's Peacemaker, whether it's the boys, there's that thing that you guys really did first, but they've taken that and it's working, right? So that's why, with the success also, we already know the success of both Deadpool films, but with the success now of Peacemaker and the success of critically at least with the suicide squad then maybe you know that they take a shot by doing it but you know you mentioned that that pulls the guy I think so too but Rob you mentioned a lot of stuff inside of there though about X-Men and

and fantastic four you had mentioned so let's let's pivot and let's go to Dr. Strange let's go to let's go to yes because there's so much shit that could happen in this movie there's something there's rumors that Tom Cruise is going to pop in as Iron Man. There's rumors that you're going to get a variant of Reed Richards in there. What do you want to see in this movie? What do you think should happen if you were, you know, advising for what you'd want to see? Well, is there a better, is there a better time to promote Deadpool than this movie? I don't know.

But besides that, besides that, we've all heard the rumors. Here's the deal. Let's talk about this on you. You work in the business. You work in the business. I work in the business. Here's the deal. You all know.

I want to know, have you been caught trying to sneak into a screening of Dr. Strange, too? That's what. Okay. They are testing the shit out of this. Oh, they're testing the right now? Oh, wow. Yeah, but they know my face.

Oh, God. Testing it. Should address this headpool. Um, well, that, I should do that. I should do that. Um, uh, the thing is, um, they're testing it. It's all getting out. We're all guilty of hitting those hashtags.

there's always that one guy, because here's how I know. When Deadpool, both films did fan screenings, I would always hit the hashtags to see who was leaking. And I'm not looking, I mean, they're masking their identity behind a screen name, but I'm like, if the information is spot on, you know that guy just walked out of that screening tonight, okay? Because I knew when the fan screening were going on. And so you're like, so we're all hitting those hashtags.

And I'm like, oh, crap, they're showing this. People are seeing this. I mean, I think it's safe to say. Some of the stuff you just said, that's out there. It's happening. It's been seen. It's, and so, so dude, give us lots of that. Because here's, here's where I'm caught up in.

Disney, my, my buddy in the business couldn't believe it when he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Sony gives some of that money on theatrical to Disney. It does not. That is not true. They keep every damn penny. That's the tradeoff for obviously Holland being in, Infinity War, end game. Right. We know this. That's the trip. Sony doesn't get any of that money. Disney doesn't get any of that. No way home billions. And so I'm sure the Disney stockholders are like, so our next one's going to be as special as this, right? Because again, Sony's like, we're going to campaign for best picture. And it's working. Yeah. The town is considering it. Like, oh, that was because Koi and I, we were there, that premiere, I mean, right before the pandemic. crashed us again. It was this

come by a moment. Everyone, I mean, when I saw Dwight Howard on the carpet, I'm like, holy shit, is the whole Laker team coming? Like everyone wanted to see this movie. Everyone was there to see Spider-Man. It was triumphant. So, so you know that they need Dr. Strange to hit multiple home runs. It's, it's, it's, so that's why they're testing the crap out of it.

And here's, let's get back to you. You want to know what I want to see? I want to see the breaking place of, in case of emergency moves. You've got them behind glass. All the Fox shit is there. Break all that glass. Bring it all in. We want that.

I love Tom Cruise. If he's in it for 90 seconds, I'll see it three times, okay? You want me to see it six times? You bring some of that stuff in, okay? And actually, I know on some level, some of it is already there. I have just revoked every,

all, every one of my passes just got revoked. Because I remember two time on your show. I am in a cuddle with my, my movie badges. It's over. It's over. I'm done. So, Rob, you and I talked like four or five years ago on air, and I said, what I want is

Deadpool kills the Fox universe because it was right as Deadpool 3 was ramping up. Deadpool 2 had just come out. To me, it seems like what Dr. Strange can do is if there's an incursion event, like in Secret Wars, it can kill the Fox universe. So what we talked about almost half a decade ago could come true. and I think you keep Deadpool because he would know about other universes so we could break the fourth wall. If you were involved in him coming into the MCU, would you want that fourth wall self-awareness of Fox having existed like we talked about? No, no, no, you can't put the fourth wall back in the jar.

And again, following the, look, people go, hey, Shehawk broke the fourth wall first. She did. So when she does it, if she does it on the show that we're having coming up, yes, you know, there were lots of characters that broke the fourth wall. not threatened by the fourth wall introduction to Deadpool because it's not what made him popular. It's just another tool in his bag. He should absolutely utilize it. Ryan does it so well. Joe Kelly put that in the comic with Deadpool and they've already utilized it in all the

the first two appearances. I mean, look, everything's possible now. I mean, credit or credit is due, Lord Miller into the Spiderverse was genius. It was the first time I my kids are asking me questions about multiverses and dimensions. And then, you know, the funny part is, you know, wasn't the flash, whatever that multiverse movie, wasn't that announced before No Way Home? I mean, I kind of feel like DC just like here's what DC does. They go up to the mic and they go, we're doing Batman versus Superman.

And then Fikey three weeks later, he goes, we're doing Civil War, Cap versus Iron Man. Mike drops. Good on you. Get on you. Oh, by the way, we'll get there first. We were walking out of the theater on one of our multiple local showings of No Way Home and a family's like, and isn't D.C. kind of doing this concept.

I'm like, they may have actually introduced it first in their comics. But in the culture we live in, if you see it first, they own it, right? So R.R.O. owns the multiverse. But I mean, I don't think you get No Way Home without Lord and Miller's, you know, excellent

into the Spider-verse. But now that we've seen it in live action, come on. How many justifications can there be from? Well, you remember back when they broke them and all the Spider-Man came in? And Dr. Strange's like, oh, I didn't cover that hole up in Tunisia.

And I didn't, oh, that one in New Orleans. I got there too late to close that hole. Someone came through. I mean, like, it's all there. The stage is set. Let's jam. Let's, I swear to you, I heard they did Batman's parents.

dying again in the Matt Reeves. I honestly, I may have to like cling myself. I don't want to ever see that origin again. If we have pearls again, I'm so dumb with pearls. I don't like you. We know, we know. We know the movie theater. Okay, Spider-Man, God, bit by, but we know all the origins.

We know. You do not need to show me Krypton ever again. It's planet exploded. Done. Got it. We know it. Okay. Just a pushback.

Push back a little bit on that, though, Rob. Don't you think, though, for us, yes, and as far as the generations go, I agree with you, right? That was one of the reasons why they went away from the Andrew Garfield. They didn't show the origin and didn't even show it with Holland because we'd seen it. But when you have a new generation that maybe is discovering this Batman and is a younger Batman. And it really is like this. It's like that first start of him like not year one necessarily, but it's him starting out and dealing with the aggression.

And it's not the bail Batman years later. It's not the athletic patent years later. It's brand new. So if it's a new audience, it's finding Batman for the first time. Right. Couldn't you make it? Who doesn't know Batman? No, no, Christian, I love you.

Christian, I love you. You have a salient point. It is very, it's sound. It's, but here's the deal. Here's how this works. Hey, how did you get to be Batman? Anyway, my parents were killed. I mean, it's like,

and my parents got died. I mean, I've seen. But I can't talk about it. And I put a mask on and now I beat the shit out of everybody. I mean, you know what? I told you earlier, you asked me what I was watching. Yeah. Look, I feel like there's an entire corn.

of the universe that Taylor Sheridan has forged. He wrote Sicario, too, and then directed Wind River and Heller High Water, he wrote. And then obviously his enormous success of Yellowstone. And here's the deal. You know, I hear this now from my friends who are pitching shows. And people are like, we need a macho show like Yellowstone. Because we need macho. And just watch that.

I'd reach your show with Alan Richardson. That thing is going to blow up because we've, the macho is raging again. but the point I'm making is in 1883, like, hey, you know, first episode, I just, you know, I understood that a couple of the characters came from the Civil War. You know what? I don't need to see the Civil War.

And now they're at an all-time, like, you cut in, there's a battlefield, there's a cannon. That's a Civil War. Boom, I got it. Okay. You know, like, I just, everything doesn't have to be shown. Like, and again, Batman, didn't we get the origin in Justice League?

Didn't we get the origin? I mean, I feel like it's all the time. And, but, I think the multiverse is going to prove we don't need origins. Like I think Dr. Strange, we could have like Wesley Snipes's blade come back. And if people don't get it because it was in 98, we still will. And you're still going to get Mahershala. Like I don't think you need to spoon feed people as much anymore.

And in the age of nostalgia and metamodernism, which is what I think we're in now, people like us are going to go, oh, Wesley Snipes. And the people that don't won't be taken out of it. It won't be negative. So I don't think you have a negative in not showing too much. But Christian has, he has, it's in my head now. And now I'm thinking, no, do an entire movie about the origin. Why did they pick that movie?

Why that night? Why those seats? Why that theater? Like the buildup. Why did the Wains go to this theater? And why, you know, why did they? And why was Bruce out so late? I honestly think like maybe there's a mini, an issue mini series.

That's after this that culminates with. what we've dreaded the whole time that everything you've been watching has built to this they're going tonight to that theater. If Taylor Sheridan writes it, I'm in. HBO Max's pearls. That's right.

I'm now on the... See, when I oppose something, I go, are you really correct and opposing this? Think of this through. And I think Warner Brothers, there's an eight hours on the table that we're going to see the night. The screening. The wanes go to the movies.

K, I, I, I, I don't know that we've seen it enough. I flipped entirely. I don't know that we've seen it enough. They'll call it movie night, but with a K movie night because Batman's always night in every Batman title at DC right now. So for your, for your viewers, I'm going to tell you something that, and I learned a long time ago. All DC heroes are born of tragedy.

Aquaman's dad drowned. Batman's mom and dad was shot. Superman's planet, you know, blew up. If you go through, that was the night. 1950s, everyone born of tragedy. Flash is kind of the pivot character. All the chemicals fell on him and gave him his powers. Then Stan was like, everybody's a scientific experiment.

Bruce Banner was too close to the nuke. Radioactive Spider. Reed Richards, you know, got up in a rocket and got hit by race. Everything in Marvel is by science. You know, again, I didn't watch that. Russo brother, Marvel versus DC. But I just explained to you, Marvel and DC. And like, that's what separates them.

Born of Tragedy, all very Shakespearean, and born of science is the Stan Leeway. So they should just put that in front of every movie. Origins. You were about to see the story of a man whose parents were killed coming out of the movie theater by Joe Chill. We now joined Batman in Gotham City. So are you excited for, we got this next wave of like Technicolor madness with Thor and with all these other elements, Guardian of the Galaxy. we're kind of entering this this Kirby visual age. And as someone that loves the Bronze Age of Comics,

what do you think we're going to get for the mainstream audience out of Thor, Guardian 3, and this more, you know, quantum mania, this insane stuff? So I know for a fact that Deadpool 1 got the consideration it did because Guardians did so well, because the president flat out told me so, that when Guardians did so well under James Gunn in that summer 2014, he said, wow, we have to reconsider what we have here.

That was the first kind of movement towards something. The reason I'm bringing up James Gunn is he and Tycho Waititi are the two most unpredictable filmmakers right now. I know that everything, it's all bonkers all the time. I love the suicide squad. I was very disappointed in how little people showed up to see it this summer. I watched it multiple times. I could not believe how well done it was. Again, the R rating made all of those characters better.

Harley Quinn finally got to Harley. in my opinion, like under James direction. But same with Taika. Ragnarok was such a, I mean, our heads were spinning, right? Because it was just unpredictable what they were going to say, what they were going to do, how it was going to look. So, yeah, my most anticipated Marvel film by far is love and thunder.

I cannot. I mean, we've only seen him take one crack at the Marvel universe. So, and again, with gun coming back and doing Guardians three, I mean, look, I think the two of them are some of the most exciting filmmakers, and they just, there's nothing that intimidates them. I feel like they kind of write their own rules. They don't adhere to any existing rules, which is why everything is so fresh. And look, those movies pulled it off. I mean, the Guardians, Guardians won, not an R-rated movie, just, but we all know the most audience-pleasing.

If it comes on at any point you watch it, you just finish it. It's so good. And again, I'm going to get around to peace. maker. It's just, that's a movie. That's a show I will be consuming on my own. And, uh, and so I have to just kind of, you know, work out time and the schedule to come and consume it. But I hear it's great. People love it. Does it mean as hard into our stuff? Oh, yeah. It's insane. It's, it's, it's more than I expected on mainstream TV than I remember it was HBO. It's impressive. But yeah, Dr. Strange. Hey, man, let's, let's bring it all. To answer that other question. And, and,

you know, whatever they're testing, I, I, I kind of feel like each, the result of each test that's being reported in the press is we need to put more more cool shit. That's why I'm trying to go because I want to see each version of it. Like I'm not trying to spoil. I'm trying to anti-spoil. I want to know before I hear about it so I can. I wish they wouldn't screen it though because like look at all the leaks that happened with with Spider-Man stuff.

And then get that again. It's like I want to stay away from like social media again because it wrote like I was so jealous of, I just had a conversation with my friend Jeff Dye is comedian and he never watches his trailers. He doesn't do anything. He just goes and he watches it. He experienced no way home. so differently than we all did because we all heard forever the reports of it the leaks that

happened he had no clue so he lost his mind when those moments happened i don't want to hear shit i want to just like you know if if any of these people show and i wish i didn't even hear it for a split second that tom cruise might be in this thing because i'm like holy shit i didn't know that was going to happen but is that is that because the business we're in rob that it's just too hard to avoid at this point so i'm so the one thing i started doing five years ago and i was as guilty as anybody I would chase spoilers. I would read reviews before movie came out. I now no longer do partaking that at any time.

I understand the trailers are difficult. Sometimes I miss them. Obviously, Spider-Man, they were so outlandish the rumors that I was not going to believe it until I saw it. So seeing it, and we were with the crowd that saw it that night. I got to tell you, so my wife, God bless her, she's married to a comic book guy.

everyone in our family had seen it. It had only been out for two days. I had to get her there so she wouldn't be spoiled. She knew nothing. I literally was sitting next to her. So in an audience, when Toby and Andrew come through for the first time, my wife is like your friend going, wait, what?

Jobby McGuire's back. And I'm like, you're so not into anything. This provides you. But everyone else in the theater, it must have been there. third viewing because no one reacted but when we saw opening night i mean it was a concert an industry screening people lost their shit they lost their minds so so i'm with you look here's the deal i know this again i can only go by the movies i know we never showed the tags fox never showed the tags on Deadpool they they would screen them without them so you at least got that one thing and

uh you know i had seen him come out like ferris beuler and the audience who wanted an expansion of that world that cable was coming for the next movie. I mean, right there promised it. And the next time we've got cable, but not one single fan screening, preview screening, had it until opening night. So that's really the best we can do nowadays. But look, Dr. Strange, Christ, I'm going to tell you, I did not believe Toby and Andrew were coming through until I saw them. And I literally, I was like, it's happening. So that one I don't really mind I am of the mind now I avoid You know

Like I have to get up and watch Boba Fett early You know now now you have to Actively avoid the internet right because because People love to spoil It's unfortunate but I'm with you man I understand that I wish that stuff wasn't out there My my formula is always this If we're hearing about three things

There's three more that they've hidden Right and and so I That's my answer is I believe that's kind of the basic trade-off nowadays. That's true. And Rob, I can talk to you about so much, and we have so much more than to talk about it all the time.

No, I know, I know. So, but before we let you go, because we've got to have you on again because there's just so much more to talk about it. Because I want to,

there's, let's talk about Ozark, because what you said to me, off air resonated with me very much so, where there are certain things that my wife just won't watch. So I got to watch it. I got to watch it by myself, whether it's Bobafed or,

or whatever these things are. But Ozark, we watch. I'm about four episodes into the first seven. I love this show. I think that this show as much as popular as it is, I still think it's not as popular as it should be. No, no, no, no, you're right.

Yeah, this is, this is breaking bad, but the family's in on it. So it is, you know, we've seen every episode. We rewatched a couple seasons just to get back into it. But it, we are day one Ozarkers. And in the very first episode, I turned to my wife, and we're like,

Jason Bateman is, is reborn, his third act. I mean, it's like, it's like, it's like, Brolin had his Goonies,

young gun act, then he had his No Country for Old Man act, and then he came back with a third act, which became Sicario to Thanos to, you know, Jason Bateman, it's like, in some of those episodes he directs,

and you're like, wait, so you're like an A-list director, you're, you're, this, the crime, the drama,

the treachery, the mature, I'm with you. If it was on HBO, it would be their biggest show. It would out Succession, Succession. But like, you know, just like I had to get my boys to watch Succession, and they're like, oh, it's a best show on television. You didn't even know about it a week ago.

Like, they take, like, oh, I'm in on the, yeah, you're in it because Mom and I beg you. We bid you. But so now we're begging my kids. Again, at this point, my sons are 21 and 19. They're the perfect audience for this. Yeah. But, you know, look, Ozark, it, like you said, it's breaking bad.

I mean, it's, it's, what doesn't it have? It has hillbilly mobsters. It's got the Mexican cartels. It's got drugs, drugs, sex, FBI. I mean, and, and you're going to find as you watch it deeper, you know, it's, Jason Bateman is truly, I mean, different people in the, in the series continue to refer to him as like, like, he's almost like the Reed Richards. He's got this whip smart brain that will always find a way. And I love, they always present this scenario that you're like,

He's not getting that with this one. And somehow, you know, it all fits. And so you're only on the first season? No, no, no, no. Four episodes into the last season. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no. So you know, like in season two, you're like, oh, so Laura Linney, you exist so that I hate you.

I fucking hate you. I told my wife, I go, in season three, it would be hard for me to not slap her on the street and go, I hate you. I hate what you've done. I'm like, she's. And if you're going to watch those. She's an awful person. Okay.

She's just an awful person. And it's hard, like, obviously, Rob Lifeld. Yes, Laura Lini is a sweet, talented, amazing actors. It is a testament to her character that I want to, like, punish her in real life. Yeah, she is. Well, there is something about that character for sure, where, I mean,

even if you watched this last episode without spoiling anything for anybody, I feel like the daughter is really starting to, there's an episode where I'm at where she's in the park with someone else and she's talking to someone. And I'm like, wow, you might as well just been Laura Lini deep fake, there. Yeah, it's the same character.

But, the father. Yeah, it's all coming out. It's all of that. And it's, and it's the way that they play. And it's the, it's the corruption of all of it.

And it's like, it's a brilliant show. Coy, have you watched any of it yet? I, uh, lost you a little bit. Lois your audio.

Yeah, I lost my audio. I've actually watched the first three seasons, but I was trying to mute and not hear season four spoilers. You guys, we haven't done any spoilers. I mean,

literally, my, my, my, of her started in in season two and three but again that plays to the dynamic like look it is I'm with you the best thing you said Christian if this I don't you know I hope that it just continues to garner all the attention all the praise that look we've seen it word of mouth works man look nothing so cobra kai I'll be honest my buddy was a first adopter YouTube and for two

years. Why aren't you watching this, Rob, this show was made for you, it's made for you, it's made for you, it's made for you. And I'm like, it's on YouTube. I'm never watching it. Like, YouTube television. I watch YouTube. I'm not signing up. I'm not buying a membership. It's like it's not happening for me. It's a bridge too far for their TV platform that no longer exists. But the thing is, the minute it got on, you know, Netflix and we all experienced it. And that show had been around. And obviously, there are millions of eyeballs on YouTube. millions. But it moved to a different platform and you watch Ralph Macho go from 80 followers to 3 million followers because now people are discovering, it's fun when stuff gets discovered. Again, getting back to peacemaker, which obviously I've seen all the gun stuff. I just have to, I have to absorb. You'll love it. But I see James gun out there. I think he's even more, he's even shocked by saying like, we're the number one show in the world right now. Well, that's word of mouth. I mean, that's, Peacemaker again, is not a A-list character. He's like D-List.

Like, that's like Guardians of the Galaxy level of what? And Gun is so good at that. And I honestly think that we're going to have people discover with Dr. Strange so many properties that was before their time. That's why I brought up Wesley Snipes is I think the Blade movie really kicked off Marvel. And a lot of people have only seen from like 2008 on. And I feel like the Cobra Kai experience got people on Karate Kid in a way that like another property could. I'm really excited for people of this generation to discover the 80s,

Me too. Last question for you, Rob, before we let you go here, because this is something I got into a whole big discussion when I tweeted this out about Bryce Tallas Howard, who I love. And I think she just a great job with Mandalorian, I should say, Bova Fett. But either way, everyone was talking about how they wanted to do a film. And I said, why? So we wait four or five years before she actually gets it. And then she gets creative differences. And she walks off the project because she gives her a full series. Let her direct every one of those episodes. And that leads into my question. question, they'll never do this. And because especially with the last two movies had made billions of dollars, but if they said, you know what we're going to do? We're going to give, and doing everything that we did for those first two movies, but we're going to give Deadpool a series instead of that movie.

But it's not going to change the tone. I'm not going to, would you be happy with that or would you go now? We need a third movie. This pivots because I was going to, I was going to put an addendum to my original answer, which I never really completely finished because I stray with all my crazy,

you know, thoughts and distractions. The thing about Disney and Deadpool, look, my thing is, just get out of Ryan Reynolds way. Just, just the, um, his imprimatur is so felt on both films. He lives those films. He's at those fan screenings. He's in the editing room. He's giving copious notes. Um, you know, he would call and tell me after the, I always knew the reshoots on Deadpool

two were going to take place in March. Everybody was going to reassemble. He, you know, didn't have to reach out, but he says, Rob. You should know. They love your other babies too. That's why we are going back to put more cable and more Domino in the movie. That's a guy who is, you know, listening to the audience. And so when they did the reshoots in March,

because there's a fight in the Deadpool 2 movie when they're on that moving transport with the prisoners. And that's when I was on set watching that originally. That's cool. We saw the reshoot. Domino wasn't on that truck. She wasn't fighting. She was in the middle of the three-way fight. Certain characters had different fates.

And it was like, but they expanded roles. He is just always listening. He's always, I mean, the guy is Deadpool. He's taken over the role. He is as irreplaceable in that role. I mean, I don't envy them replacing Wolverine. I think it's a really difficult recast. They're probably wise to avoid it as long as possible.

But if he wanted to do that, you know, any, anything, any way that he wants to see, see what, what happened since Disney bought Fox is he's found other outlets. Free guy is completely Ryan running free. He grabbed that property. He shaped it into what would become this monster break, another monster breakout for him. He's really, you've seen with his maximum effort company and his advertisements, I mean, that Valentine's Day match.com with Satan, I mean, Ryan is it, he's a creative genius. And I just want, I just be happy to know that they would just be like, look, you, we're busy trying to get people to pay attention to the Eternals.

Okay. You're on lock over here on Deadpool. Just go. Do that. Whatever. Blank check. Deadpool. Because now we got to shape everybody into, you know, paying attention to this other new launch.

What we're trying to get people to know Moon Knight and She Hulk on the platform. Right. I mean, I remember, I mean, dude, you got to. understand. Fagie came into power doing three movies a year, right? That's when he, then one day, Iger shows up and's like, hey, dude, we're moving into the streaming business. This is the new world. Look, um, I'm going to need like 20 more hours from you, 22. You're good, right? That's good. I'm sure he was like, wait, what? I'm not not theatrical. Now I'm doing four shows a year. Yeah, and they can be from eight to six.

always been like, how did that go down? I know how that went down. Like, here's a new contract. But the thing is, um, with, with Deadpool, just let Ryan go, man. Like, and here's a deal, dude. You know, I, the truth, truth be told, um, I'm not getting any younger. Ryan's not getting any younger. But that's why I'm like, the time is now. You know, the time like, like, get this stuff out there. Um, the guy is in his prime. The brilliance of Deadpool and I do have to go back on what I've said. And not go back. I have to acknowledge that, that, that, that, that I have said this, Ryan can play Deadpool until he's 60 easy

because he's covered in prosthetics. Right. And then that he is like a, when he goes to the, you know, Boyle face, scar face level that he can show up. And, you know, remember that, that period in films where it was like,

Chris Evans had to take a shirt off to show you the fan that he was ripped like cap. And even Downey Jr. got some shirtless shots. And then Chris Hems was like, hold my beer. let me show you how this works. I feel like we're past that kind of everyone taking their shirt off to show a buff they are anymore. But like Ryan doesn't, like Deadpool doesn't need that.

He doesn't need to be Downey Jr. You know, staying fit when he's 56, 8, you know, 60. Deadpool is latex. It's the costume. You know, we've already seen him buck naked in Deadpool 1 fighting with Ed Screen. Does it get better than that? Okay. you know so so i mean i just think give it to ryan let him run uh people want it you know the reason

the great thing about the deadpool property it is far from being over exploited right i mean far that they have a lot of goodwill in the tank and it's a character people love so people always the reason why they're looking for him in every film and every after credits is how bad they want it you know so it's great all right ladies and gentlemen what a show it was in just like that an hour and told me seconds ladies and gentlemen the great rob live felt uh you can follow him at robert live film you can also your podcast is robservations and they can find that on apple podcast and spotify and everywhere yes yes every i mean ramble endlessly it's not as interesting as this but almost well i would uh i i'm definitely going to be

listen i'd love listening to talk i'd love to have you back on to talk more because we didn't even get into the Mandalorian or Boba Fed or any of that stuff and I'd love to talk to you about that eventually too uh that's that's awesome that Bryce Dallas Howard owned everybody this last week I could not believe how many shots I just paused and looked at the frame that elevator scene lighting all of it all of it she's amazing so hey thank you for having me on coy thank you great seeing you guys have a great rest of your week next time we'll talk more profit with Jake man I'm excited I'm ready I'm ready we have so much more I'm coming back So much. Please do. Ladies and General, Rob Leifeld,

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