The Kristian Harloff Show - WOAH! Pedro Pascal cast as Reed Richards in Fantastic Four?!

Episode Date: November 17, 2023

DEC 2 TICKETS https://www.flapperscomedy.com/shows/kristian-harloff/72183/ 🚀 Breaking News: Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards in Fantastic Four?! 🎬 Join Kristian, Coy, and Winston as they dive into the latest buzz surrounding Pedro Pascal's potential casting as Reed Richards in the upcoming Fantastic Four film. Is this a good choice or a bad one? 🤔 In this episode, we also discuss the rumors about why Kevin Feige might have chosen Pascal for the role. Plus, we explore the Kang Dynasty storyline and how it seems Marvel is taking a new direction. And don't miss our thoughts on the Madam Web trailer! 🕸️ #mcu #marvel #pedropascal #fantasticfour #sony #reaction #whatif #kang #avengers Make sure to subscribe to Kristian Harloff for more pop culture news, movie reviews, and reactions! 🔔👇

You like the game? Yeah. Oh, nice. No, it was the best. That's how you're doing with that? I need you to try this again. You love this. No, I'm telling you, I love it.

I've been doing, I got off all the energy drink. You know, I used to load those up on those. And I figured out, you know, that shakiness when I'd be hanging all the artwork and stuff. It was like totally way, way caffeinated. And these things, it's like a cleaner energy. I feel like more focused on things. Magic mind? Manchabind.

I remember, because we've had them before, and I like them. I just have me. But you and Lonnie love magic. Oh, yeah, yeah. She steals yours. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm like, hey, you make, you get some more. Yeah, yeah.

What's good about it? I like it, because, like I said, it doesn't give me the jitteriness. I found that, like, any other curve of energy drink, you know, would make me jittery, and, like, I eliminated, like, Stead is, Stead is rock. I know, I noticed that, actually. Studies is it rock. So this is my shooting.

All right, I'll do one with you. All right, let's do it. All right. That nice, it's kind of like, you're like orange juice almost. Yeah, yeah. That's good. Not bitter or anything like that. You're going to feel good.

I'm telling you, you're going to get a lot done today. Yeah? Yeah, I've been cleared out my whole house. I've been pulling stuff out because we're looking to move and stuff. I've been pulling out stuff, taking goodwill. Well, I will get a link. I'll put that in the description. And I was recording.

Oh, wonderful. All right, I will, you know what? I'll put that in front of the other stuff. But magic mind. We'll put it and you have the actual. When you do the regular show, you sometimes forget to push record, but this time. No, this time I was just recording. So I will put the link in the description

Because we have a magic mind Who's going to be wonderful for this episode I'm glad that you You are always the person Who's telling me about this All right All the best Pretty good

All right Nothing to see here Nothing to see here Says the great late Leslie Nielsen Nice to have you all with us On the big thing It's capes and cows

I'm excited Yeah he's dead That's why I said late great Will you focus? I'm focusing on you. Why are you talking? I didn't say a single word out loud. He mounded so well.

You see, and I read it. Isn't he dead? Hence late great. Bitch, I understand what late grade means. I didn't know he was dead. This is how he finds out live. Well, yeah, I just let you know. Les and Nielsen is dead, everybody.

Naked Gunn five and a quarter. Yeah, I think you were thinking of... Weekend and Bernie's. Steve Martin's still alive. Welcome back. It's Caves and Cows. We got stuff to talk about. Winston was way off with the Marvel's prediction box office, and we'll say exactly why.

We'll hit those numbers. And what does that mean? What's it going to, is it going to do anything? We kind of expected it. How is it going to play for Marvel with new movies coming up, with all the moves and whatnot? Now, speaking of other movies that are coming up, the big news is that it looks like we finally got Mr. Fantastic. Now, this is a role. I mean, we've been around this for a long time.

We've seen so many people, so many big roles. Rumor this person, this person, this person, this role, though, man. I was like every Thursday, where somebody knew. But this time, they say, Petro Pascall is either, I mean, by the time this airs, he might have signed already, I don't know, it's like it was that close. So is that a good choice, bad choice, safe choice? We'll talk about that in just a second. Speaking of future Marvel movies, Kang Dynasty looks like it's toast, guys. I mean, all signs point to

it's toast. The screenwriter's news that screenwriter left. The director's like, yeah, I'm gone, but I'm sticking around the family. I'm still doing a bunch of stuff, just not doing that movie. And then with Loki, the way Loki played, so what happens there? Talk about that, for sure.

There's stuff that's happening, invincible. Winston keeps telling me to watch it. And the good answer for him is that I have not. So we will eventually watch that. I've watched a couple episodes. I just haven't seen season two. So we'll get it. I mean, there's tons of other things to talk about for sure.

The Superman stuff, I think, and whatever. There's a lot of other things. So join us. I'm glad you're joining us. If you haven't already hit that button, hit that subscribe button, man. We are already at 102,000. We're approaching 103. We should be there really soon.

If you guys hit that button, you should help us get there. You can also get to our show. That's right. We're going to be at Flappers Comedy Club on December 2nd. The link is in the description. We hope that you can join us. It's going to all be doing stand-up comedy there, and we'd love to have you on out.

So, without any further ado, it's myself, it's Winston A. Marshall. It's Coy Chondro. Let's do it, capes and cows. Here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the big thing, capes and cows, Christian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall, Coy Chondro.

Guys, we're back, and it's hilarious. because we have like a, you know, our text change. I always know when we get closer to the actual shooting because that's when Koi responds. Oh, right, all right. This is our right now. We're getting close. I'll see them.

They can call me out. And then they will anyway. I have used the, the, the, Bueller with the question mark. Oh, man. With him, maybe a thousand times. I don't think I've ever used it with you. I don't think I've ever needed to use it. You're pretty good at that.

Here's the thing. I'm actually. You're good friend. It's because I turn my phone off on weekends and Christian uses the phone on weekends. It's a conflict. It's always Saturdays. I always feel bad. Because it was after the live stream with Greg, I turned my phone off, and then I saw when I turned it on

Monday, and I was like, oh, it's always Christian. I'm a monster. You turn your you taste. I mean, that's aesthetically, stop. Let me ask you guys this question. This is an age-old question that comes from the Collider Live days, but I was in... Party in the Bar-Tower? No, no, but this is about superpowers,

right? I think that we might have had this conversation once, I'm not sure, but I want to know where you guys stand. The newer audience will hear this in the first time. The old audience will be like, here's this one again. Like what power, what power you would take?

Right? What, what power would you have? If you could take any power from being superior. It changes as I get older. I think telekinesis is the most consistent if it burned calories.

Like if telekinesis was like, it costs so I could like lose weight and move stuff with my mind. So I didn't have to like get up, but I could also like, you know, navigate moving around. And they could also like make me fly

because you can lift yourself. Yeah, sure. What about you? I'm going to cheat here. and I'm actually going to say key control as in like the stuff that people in Dragon Balls that you can do. So like that allows you to fly and shoot beams

and like teleport and all that because it's literally manipulating like your spiritual energy and do stuff. Yeah. So mine is the power power words and when I say this it's a matter of like not not hypnotizing, not being able to get you to you know like

I'm going to say this and I'm going to make wins like in GenV she tells somebody to do it Are we gonna talk about that ever? Yeah, yeah, we will. But like, so my thing is a matter, imagine like if you're in, if you ever gone into like a job interview, go into the interview and you leave and you go, damn it,

I would have just said this. Yes. If I would have just said this, it would have gone a different way. God damn it. You're not, right, you're not doing, you're not manipulating it. You just, you have the choice to say the right things. So like just always knowing like, no matter who you're talking to, the right pattern.

And then, because Rock's like, that would just be an evil power. Like, it's not an evil power, in the same way that Professor X could be a very evil dude. Now, he can manipulate and stuff too. That's a very different power. But it depends on the person that has it. My thing is like if you use it in a way, you can go in and it's like, okay, again, many times,

whether you're in a relationship, and you said the wrong thing and it turned into a fight when if you just would have said that, it might have turned into something else. You know what I mean? And that's the kind of, is that evil? So it's life on easy, but in conversation. Like it's the ability to map out.

It's just knowing the right words to say. I'll put it to you this way. I don't think that it's necessarily evil. If you're manipulating someone. It's not manipulation. No, no, no. I understand that. If you're genuinely manipulating someone, then that's a different thing.

But like, I think about the fact that there are people that do have the gift of the gab. And they do know the right thing to say. Sure, you don't have the 100 percent. I know exactly that this will work. But you have understood how to talk to people, how to read a room all that. And evil people have done it. It's a matter of how, it's like anything. If you, if an evil person was super strong, if an evil person could, you know, teleport.

If an evil person could do it, it's, there's no difference. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you literally watch the boys or Gen V, you look at any of those powers, like someone that cannot, like, for example, if you had Wolverine powers, you didn't even necessarily have to have the claws, but you could just heal infinitely. What's to stop you from being like, I'm going to go rob this in place? Jump off a building. Jump off a building, whatever.

can chase you. You could end up insurance and fraud that. You were just like, you jumped off. Everybody thinks you're dead. You end up getting the cash out. And it is. I mean, look, you could use it. Like, same thing.

You could rob a bank, do something painous. You could kill somebody. Right? And then someone goes, well, defend yourself. And in your head, you're like, I don't know what to say. And of course you could use that on an evil side of things. Of course you could. But here's what the other thing you couldn't do.

Don't kill somebody. You know what I mean? I guess that's simple. That's the whole thing. It's like any power can be manipulated for back. So I never, I will, and to this day, we'll push back. Roxy, like, has her feet in the ground to it, saying, that's, that's, at all the powers, that's an evil power.

It's not, no, no, no, because that's, that's the thing. At any point in time, if Magneto genuinely was like, you know what, F this place, he could just completely destroy the core's axis and it's done. I think that's a little more evil than, like, I convince you to give me on your money. I don't think any power is inherently benevolent or malevolent. That's what I'm saying. It's about who's using it. Yeah, right.

Because you could flip that, the flip side of that is you could make it inherently good. you can say, okay, look, I'm going to go, and I know exactly the right thing to say to agree. Convince every world leader to actually end world hunger. Convince every world leader to argue. You know what I mean? Like, it could be used that way. I have a small guess as to why that might, like, because I can see a number, like,

it's interesting that they had the, uh, the, uh, the girl in the group of Gen V be the one that's able to do that. I think if you're thinking about Purple Man. Well, she can't do what I'm saying. She, she's, she more, she's, she's, she wants you to just do anything you want. She's not saying the right. They're cousins. They're cousin.

No, no, I'm so her power. No, no, I know. They're cousins. It's in the same neighborhood. You know what I'm saying? Because you brought up Professor X. You could say the Purple Man from Jessica Jones and all that. It's one of those situations where, like, I think specifically, where I could see where

Roxy and honestly, anybody, but especially, like, women, I could see where that would be, like, an issue. If you had the Purple Man's abilities, we saw how evil he was using those abilities. And that, that in and of itself is kind of, like, just like, a nerve-wracking. It is. Of course, it's the way that it's like if you knew the right things to say to get, because again, you could say like, okay, look, I want to say the right things to make Winston go outside and just, you know, and walk my dog for me. But I got to say the right things. It might take me an hour to do it. Look, it's the age old thing.

And you said it. It's all about who's doing it. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. So you just have to hope you have a strong of enough foundation. That's exactly right. All right. All right. That's the show.

Thanks, thanks guys for joining us here today. Power. Unpowered. No, there's a lot of stuff to talk about. Huge week. Tons of stuff. My God. So let's get to this first story.

Pedro Pascal is in talks for Marvel's Mr. Fantastic at the time of this. When this airs, he could be cast. Who knows? Here's the report itself. This one's from Dark Horizons. And it says, Game of Thrones, The Last of Us, and the Mandalorian star, Pedro Piscal. He's officially in talks to play Reed Richards, Mr. Fantastic, and the upcoming Fantastic for a reboot.

Scooper Daniel R.P.K initially reported the news a few hours. ago saying that he was offered the role and was close to signing slash film followed it up with a report a few minutes ago saying that he has already signed and then deadline said that it's still in talks. The trade says that the deal is far from done. Multiple sources say it's headed in the right direction for Pascal with his scheduling commitments currently being worked out. Pascal has to resume filming on Gladiator 2 in the coming weeks and his commitments to shoot both barbarian director Zach Krieger's weapons and the second season of The Last of Us. The latter will film throughout all of next year. It was reportedly essential to figure out who would be playing

Richards, a scientist and inventor who would be one of the smartest characters and all of the MCU before the studio could go out with offers to cast other members of the team and now they can. The project is aiming to film early next year with Matt Shankman currently in pre-production. Okay. So then I want to, before we even get to that part of it, I want to get to Jeff Snyder's tweet. All right, Jeff Snyder says with Vanessa Kirby, Joseph Quinn, Joseph Quinn, and Eben Moss Barack poised a star. Sources say that Kevin Feigy felt that the fantastic forecast

were shaping up to be way too white, and thus he made a push for Pedro Pascall. So my thoughts on all of this is that, look, I love Pedro Piscol. But it just seems like, it's like, hey, it's the same thing when they were going to, like the Jillen Hall casting to me was the worst we've heard so far. Not as far as talent.

No, no, we talked about it pretty at length. It's about as far as talent, And as far as he was already in the MCU, it would be confusing. There's no, and there's other people you can get. Pedro Bascall is in everything. And he's in everything right now. He's in The Last of Us. He's, do I think he'd make a good Reed Richards?

I think he'd make a fantastic Reed Richards. I think he'd make a really... Pun intended. Yeah, right. It wasn't, but it should have. But I think that there's a, I think he's going to bring everything that this character has. And I have no problem with the fact that he's not white. It's like, it's, you can, you can, you can change it up.

But what I will say, though, if the Feigy thing is true, though, to where it's just like, oh, wait a minute, everybody's white, we got to get Pedro Vescal. It's like, what? Feels, I don't know. It feels unauthentic. It feels forced. And it's like, not because Pedro Vosca's not great.

He's great. And if he gets the role, I'm going to love him in the role. I love Petro Pes de Pascal. But that shouldn't be the reason why he cast. It just shouldn't be. It shouldn't be the reason why he cast. To just force it. It's like you can, you should have been seeing other actors.

Every actor that's been rumored so far. Adam Driver, Jill and all. No, we haven't heard. We haven't heard. Driver since the. Anybody. You heard and hurt. But I love.

I have a theory. I have a theory. And it was something that somebody was was poking my brain on Twitter. And I was like, oh, my God. That actually makes a lot of sense. I have a feeling that we are going to get Adam Driver and John Cresensky. and all of these people that were rumored. I should say that Diego Luna was rumored at one point.

And I think what you're going to get, and he knows about this, there's something very similar to the Council of Kings. There's a Council of Reeds. And it's the idea of all the reads across the multiverse come together to kind of put their brain power together. And essentially, people have seen it in Rick and Morty, people have seen it whatever. And so I could potentially see that.

And maybe the main read we're following is Pedro. But that all of these other rumors, I mean, again, from the fact that we've already seen Krasinski, as is, that means we have acknowledged that a lot of these people can have different faces and whatnot, so here's the only reason I think that that is probably not likely, only

because we're not in phase three anymore, and they can't spend that kind of money right now. They're going to be cutting back on costs, and especially, they don't even know what their Avengers movies are right now, which we'll get into. I'm not saying we're going to see them in the Fantastic Four movie, because I don't think you want to overinflate that budget, but I think when you're talking when we get to Secret Wars and all that

kind of stuff, I think there is a strong possibility that they have approached all these folks and been like at some point to kind of chime. It's yeah but it becomes a gimmick right? Yes but the council of reads is like a big of enough thing and especially when you're talking secret wars so you really

are diving into multiversal stuff like the big thing about the most recent secret wars is that the ultimate verse is collapsing and so is the 616 verse and they're like colliding into each other and having what's an incursion? Yeah and and in that the two reads essentially are kind of trying to solve that problem and figure out how to do it and one of them ends up surviving and one of them

doesn't but like it's all the different reads trying to figure out how they save their universes so I could see it at some point again it would be cameo level and then you don't have to pay somebody five yeah a day or two a shooting let me ask you guys a question with the risk of me myself getting canceled here um because because because I just I want to ask this question because I don't I don't bring it down with them no it's not the thoughts of Christian Harlock but I but I don't know the answer to it because if if it's going to be you know like With all the movies that we've had, I think that Marvel has been very good with inclusion. I think over the last, at least the last three or four years.

If there was one movie that they did, and we're like, okay, well, because in the past, we've had traditionally, the fantasy four has been this white family. So what if it's for this family, for this family, we leave it as a way it is, we're not going to abandon our plan. Everything that we're going to go through, whether we have an Ironcloth, Iron Heart. Iron Heart. He just watched Iron Club. We have an Iron Heart show coming out.

We're going to do some stuff with the Young Avengers. We're going to do some other things. And we're not diverting from our plan. But this is going to focus on this family in the way that we had it. What's wrong with that? I think that there is enough of variety in the MCU that as any studio goes, they shouldn't have to make decisions based on that. I think some studios have that issue.

And I think that some properties have that issue. I personally think the MCU isn't one of them. But I'm also a white dude looking at it going like, That's why I ask it the way that I'm asking. I can only reflect what you're reflecting. When I look at the MCU, I'm not like, hmm, snow white. If they had all the, like, they had done nothing,

and this is consistently, they're like, you had an opportunity here to finally, like, let's say they had no inclusion for the last four or five years, and they're like, you had the opportunity to maybe make Reed Richards, and you could have done it here. That would have been fine. Then it's like, but it's like, so I'm just, I'm just curious. Okay.

So I'll put it, I'll put it this way. I already know that. some people are going to be like, but it's, it's as simple as this. I think if the idea was specifically figy going, this is too white, we have to do something about it, I do think that that's a problem. However, if you're just talking about when people get bent out of shape, it's like, well, why did you, you know, the little mermaid? Why did you change a little mermaid?

Right. It's in that particular case, if one's race literally is not anchored to the actual character, it's just happens to be who they are, then it doesn't matter. You cannot make Black Panther white other than the adoptive stepbrother that comes in the white wolf type situation. You can't make Black Panther white because it's about an African country and the lineage of the people that lived there, becoming king, becoming that superhero. There's nothing intrinsically about Ms. Reed Richards that is white.

If we were saying that Reed Richards, you know, 1800 England, odds are there's probably not. You know what I'm saying? So then people will go, okay, what about Bridgetton? What about Hamilton? Well, Hamilton in particular, you took the entirety of everybody that were there. Exactly, you took the entirety of the cast and did that. So that's different. And then Bridgeton, again, same thing.

It's not really based in history. It is its own kind of fiction with like things being pulled from it. So in this case, there's nothing intrinsically about Reed being extra. It's not like he and Doom both grew up in Laveria, the whitest country on the planet. And so it doesn't make, you know what I'm saying? I think that that's where we're on the same page where I can see him as Re Richards. It's not a matter of like, oh, why did you change? It's not that.

It's a matter of like just because you were looking at the cast. That to me is silly. We need a little shake up here. Especially if it requires so much more like if four actors are awesome for this role and three have better scheduling availability, if that was the decision behind it, that feels contrived to me. But I do think that it's a tricky. spot because everyone's schedule is so stacked because of the strike, I don't know how they're going to navigate anyone playing, anyone of that caliber of fame playing Reed Richards while they're like six months behind.

The other thing you got to keep in a consideration and I, it's very, it's very, I mean, Jeff has had a lot of these insider scoops and he knows what he's talking about. So I'm not going to take anything away from that. The other thing that might be at the core of this is the fact that you have Pedro, you've had no issues with Adam Driver per se, but like you have Pedro who has already been playing nice within the kind of the Disneyverse as it is. And so they're very much, we already know he's solid. We already know he's bankable. He's now got three Emmy nominations between Mandalorian and Last of Us. And that's the thing. People find him sexy. People find

him cool. And it's like, so he's, he's the right. I understand the casting decision why you do it. It's just the fact that he's been, he's just in everything. I think he's too approachable. And that's a weird thing to say. Yeah. Like Reed Richards, to me should be a little like, well, look at Joel. But look at Joel. But look at Joel. That's what I was going to say. But Joel doesn't seem too smart for everyone. He seems too worldly. Like he's scrappy. Don't talk to the guy.

Because he's going to, yeah, he's Wolverine. Like, he's a guy in a bar. I get it. Whereas, like, Reed should be someone that uses polysyllabic words exclusively. But I, so that's the thing. I think what all you needed to do, because Pedro is a good of enough actor, all you needed to do is to have that dickishness in him. Oh, the writing is going to make a read.

I'm just saying when I think of vibe, I don't go. I'm a fight for Pedro Pescal. And he's, he's a, he's a talented enough. actor that he could like that. I'm not worried about the act. Because even though the movie's not great, the Wonder Woman 84 character kind of

fits into, he's got that thing. But I just when I look at Adam Driver, I'm like, I don't know if I'd approach that guy in public if he wasn't famous. Adam Driver to me is a better casting. And I think Jake Gyllenhaal also has that thing where he's, Mysterio, not with Stannick. There's a Ness. And like, I'd say like a Joseph Gordon-Levitt, he's got this pompacity.

I'd say like a pin badgley. He's got that thing where he's like, Penn was my favorite. Pen was my favorite rumor. But I'm saying all of those people share that, whereas Joel Ederson is the outlier of like, like, that guy seems like I'm going to have a beer like that. But that's my question is, right? The question is when you put like, and the answer to this might be yes. And if that's the case, then I hope, then let's do it. Right. Like, but when you look at the audition tapes and you say like, okay, Pedro Piscall's, I looked at his, what he's doing Reed, he is significantly, his audition to me felt way more like Reed Richards than Adam Driver, Penn Bagley, Joel. If that's the case, if that's, if that was decision, then I'm all for it. Then that's, if that's legit, then let's do it.

And if that's what Sarah Haley, Finn thinks, then I'm in. Because her casting has been, people don't give her enough credit. If you look at what she's built, she's the only one that's made a consistent shared universe where everyone has to interact well together. If you look at like the casting of Chris Evans, this is a guy coming off of how many, you know, conic movies beforehand you got your Scott Pilgrim, the losers, these things that didn't take off as well. And then she trusts him to be able to interact with Downey and with Scarlet and with all these people. And she sees this 10-year plan. So if she sees Pedro, something is within Pedro's performance

that means like he's going to be interacting with the Avengers and the Fantastic Four and everyone else. You know, just even hearing you say it, of course he's going to be able to. But that's what I'm saying. It would have to be above and beyond

in order for the scheduling and all the other things and the fact that he's got all these things you have to juggle. That's a different level of like, how are you going to make this work? So I'm hoping that's why. Yeah, my question also is this with Pedro.

Pedro, whether you believe the rumors or not, right? seems like he's lost interest in the Mandalorian, right? I mean, there's rumors that he's not even going to be in the fourth season, who knows how true that is. But it's a different situation because it's more so he's not really on set. It's just his voice, really. But is he going to want to lock in for the amount of years that he's going to have to for Reed?

I mean, my favorite conversation about why he would potentially do this after doing Last of Us, Mandalorian, Game of Thrones, why he would do it. Someone took the scene from Batman Forever. The only good time Batman Forever has really been used. And it's Carrie and Tommy Jones in the, 100,000, 1, 100,000. I lost count. Like, it's just to get your bag.

After being on, like, I get he's a multimillionaire. After being on strike for this amount of time, people got private school and all that longer. You're like, go cash and check. Yeah, but that's still like he's not going to be, and he's also not going to be hurting for work because last of a season two is going to do very well. You know, he's got these other,

he's a very sought out actor, obviously. So he, it's, if he's going to commit, look, like I said. He's only so daughter, bro. Like, Avatar, I know, tons of stuff. But that's a great point. And, but here's, here's the whole,

my whole point is I'm a, I'm a big Pedro Piscol fan. And having him in this role, is not going to hurt the movie at all, and this conversation that we're having now will disappear from everybody. They're going to be like, okay, Pedro Pescal, that's who it is. It's it.

Everybody just at first going, okay, well, curious why. I just feel like, you know, especially if you're Kevin Feingy, you should be making the decision. And again, the decision very well, because, as you said, with Snyder, it could be dead on or it could be wrong here.

And if Kevin Feige, legit, if Kevin, I think he earns the trust where Kevin Feigy was looking at everything, said, no, you know what? I'm looking on all these auditions. Pedro's our guy. Then go then go for it. If it is the other side of it, it's like, well, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on. That's a problem. That's a problem.

There's no reason to, it's like that shouldn't be a weird quote. I feel like who's in the room when someone says something like that? It just feels like something to be argued. It's one of those things like the variety article or I'm like, this sounds like something to be clickbait. It's all, I know what you're saying. I'm saying like it's an argumentative point. Like in the realm of like what you said, there has been so much.

much focus on making sure that there is inclusion, which I genuinely appreciate that to then say that out loud, now just feel, and to have that mentality, if that's what it is, that feel, like, even I can openly admit that's not. I don't love that. You know what I'm saying? If that's the case. And also just don't hear Kevin Faggy being, like, in a meeting like, guys, I don't don't.

It just doesn't feel like quiet. I would have agreed with that. If I would have agreed with that, other, if I hadn't heard him say that quote about Wanda Vision and having Dr. Strange come in. Oh, which one? Which one? He made a quote about, well, we didn't want a man in a woman show or something. No, a white man coming in the middle of the show or something along those lines. And I don't know what the quote exactly was.

Sure. I can be misquoting it. And it was the way that he said it, that it was just like, well, why didn't you say Dr. Strange just didn't fit? Yeah. And it's like there was. I mean, the other way that you could have easily tackled that and that still would have been valid, it was one. wanted this problem. So instead of, to that point, having a man come and fix her problem, you could have had Strange come in and maybe he tries to help, but he's way outside of it.

Not even that. He's outside his debt. Right. So maybe he understands and maybe he tries to start to get a message to her. It would have. But it's, but then you end up in a situation where it's like, because as we saw in multiverse of madness, he was outside his depth. He really could not handle her. That's what I'm saying. So like, if you would just have that situation where it's like, no, it's not this dude's job to come and solve her problem. She created this thing. It's her fixing her own thing

and I think that that would have been fine. Yeah, he shouldn't have saved the day at all. But to just take him out because that's why I think that it's possible that he said that. But who knows? What do you guys think? Yeah, the last thing that I will say, to be honest with you, that I was actually frustrated

with all of this Pedro Pascal news is specifically from the standpoint of how quickly, how quick, click, baby, it was Pedro Pascal is Mr. Fantastic. That became the story for like a good eight hours of like it's done. He's already done like he's signed. Right. And it's over and that's the casting and the number of people that were automatically like whatever.

I get it. I know we're excited. I also know that you want to be the first person to drop the story and all that. If it's one thing to say it looks like it's pretty clear. There's like an 80% chance. That's one thing. But to say the number of things that I saw he is cast is ridiculous. That's why props to, I think, deadline who did the, I think it was deadline.

Yeah, they said eyes. They went to the investigated reporting when there was two other sites that said, yep, it's happening, it's done. And like the thing that got you frustrated. And they said, no, it's close. But they're trying to figure out schedule. They're trying to do all this stuff. But it's close. It's just, it's my beef right now, I would say, with the media as far as how the strike was handled at times.

and we know there were maybe some string pulling there and whatnot, so why that was happening. But then even, like, we were complaining about the variety article. And, like, some of the stuff that was said in there, a lot of that just felt like we need people to pay attention. So we're going to use particular words or push. Welcome to the business. Yeah.

It's gotten worse. You're not wrong. Oh, dude, in five years from now, it'll just be like, whatever the end of the movie is, is the headline. And you're not going to, like, it'll be press screenings or bust for us. Because there's no version of reality where people get to actually enjoy. join art in five years. Anyway, so what do you guys think?

Overall, with everything we talked about, let's start with the positives here. Are you excited that Pedro Pascall is essentially going to be Reed Richards? It's a fantastic actor. What do you think? Are you excited about that? The other side of it is, you know, everything that we discovered or discussed inside of this conversation, what are your thoughts?

What's that one? I just when you said, are you excited about Pedro Pascal being it is like, life could be good. It could be better. So go ahead, please. And let your voice be heard. Comment away. Let's talk about it.

I want to get your thoughts. And look, I will tell you right now, the most positive thing that you can do in all of this is have a good meal while you do it. And that is Green Chef, man. I'm loving Green Chef. And I'm also going to tell you a little about what we've been doing on Patreon. There you go. I love talking about Green Chef. You guys know I do.

And I'm going to talk about it even more. It's Thanksgiving time, baby. You got to eat clean all holiday long with 80. Plus weekly options that change every week featuring delicious nutritionist-approved recipes. You can choose from their eight-meal preference with options for every lifestyle. Quick and easy, protein-packed, calorie-smart, Mediterranean, Keto, delicious discoveries, gluten-free, and plant-based. Eating clean shouldn't be boring, especially during the holiday season. Feel your best and satisfy your cravings with adventurous eats made nutritious.

Discover exciting new flavors with recipes that feature certified organic food. fruits and vegetables, sustainably sourced seafood and unique farm-freshed ingredients like tart cherries, truffle zest, and rainbow carrots. Eat clean the delicious way this November with flavor-packed recipes like buttery lemon, garlic shrimp, harissa apricot chicken, maple burnette squash risotto, and saracha tamari beef balls. I love green chef. You guys know it.

I've been eating it forever. And now I was so excited because I'm so excited in general that they're with us, but I was so excited to be selfishly because of the holiday season. And I cannot wait to get the stuff for Thanksgiving. Can't wait. It's so delicious. It makes me feel good. And I don't know.

For some reason, I just feel like a chef. I'm definitely not. And I definitely feel like one when I'm working with Green Chef. For Green Chef's best deal of the year, you're going to get $250 off, but you've got to use that code, thing 250 at Green Chef.com slash thing 250.

Did you hear what I just said? $250 off with a code thing 250 at greenchef.com slash thing 250. Green Chef, the number one meal kit for eating well. Guys, I'm so excited to tell you

about the Patreon. I know a lot of new people have been signing up. I'm so excited that you have been. We have just done a complete rehaul of the Patreon. And there's a lot of new goals. We have a very good. full year. We can get to a thousand,

hopefully before that, but if we can get to a thousand patrons, Winston's going to go to Universal, and he's going to go to Halloween Horror Nights, and he doesn't like those things. Me, I don't like the Red Sox. So as we approach, I think it's like 700 patrons. I have to watch the Red Sox beat the Yankees with JTE, for God's sakes, from the 2004 series.

Very painful for me. We have a lot of other things. The Flirt and Flows going to jump out of a plane at 10,000 patrons. But the other side is we have a lot of extra content over there. We got stuff going on, whether it's exclusive episodes a day before they come out to the YouTube channel. We have exclusive that's just exclusive. There's an extra show that Riley and I do over there. There's going to be some live Q&As that we do over there.

So there's all of that. That's a lot of fun. The direct connectivity to all of you guys has been very, very exciting. One of the things that I think has really been going over well are these one-on-one sessions. that I've been doing with people. There's only around 12 spots per month, and they're going pretty fast. Since we switched over from the website,

I still think there's like three or four left, but it's essentially just me for about a half an hour talking to people, and we go over a lot of different things. We talk movies, talk about life. It's really fun. And there's another one.

There's another one that we have. And that's at the $35 tier. 15-minute sessions, and it could be with anybody. You don't know who you're going to get. Could be Brett, could be Steph, could be Kate, could be Mike. Who knows?

So you can join over at patreon.com slash the big thing show. Sign up today. Love to get more you guys over there. We're building this thing out and we love to have this kind of just community that we're building. And I'm so excited to have you all on board. So thanks. Patreon.com slash the Big Thing Show. All right.

Thank you to our friends over at Green Chef. Hope that you guys will sign up. Man, it is worth it. And what a deal they got going on, especially for Thanksgiving right now. And as I mentioned with Patreon, we, you know, we did. the thing with Roxy now. Roxie's on board with the benefits now too. So Mike is at 600 is going to

do five minutes stand up. At 650 Roxy's going to do a full hour show with big balls. Whoa. That is patience. That is a built-in patience. I respect it. A full episode is just Roxy and big balls. And 700 I got to be nice for a month.

And 700 you have to be nice on Twitter for a month. Yeah. I'm so afraid of that. That's going to be. Oh, did you hear, but no, at also at 700. I have to watch the 2004 ALCS Red Sox beating the Yankees with JTA. Oh, and live tweet it so I can be nice to you. That will kick off my nice one. 100%. Oh, but you know what you should do and flip it back on him?

He should then have to watch both of the Super Bowls with the Giants beat the Bay Area. If we get past 700, we'll add that in there. Man, that's harsh. My perfect day has sand, salt water, and friends. But my moderate to severe plaquesoriasis can take me out of the moment. Now I'm all in with clearer skin thanks to Sky Rizzi. Rizzen Kizum at Rizza, a prescription-only 150 milligram injection for adults who are candidates for systemic or phototherapy. With Sky Rizzi, most people saw 90% clearer skin and many were even 100% plaque-free at four months.

Sky Rizzi is just four doses a year after two starter doses. Don't use if allergic to Skyrizy. Serious allergic reactions, increased infections, or lower ability to fight them may occur. Before treatment get checked for infections and tuberculosis, tell your doctor about any flu-like symptoms or vaccines. Thanks to Skyrizzie, there's nothing on my skin. And that means everything. Ask your doctor about Skyrizzi, the number one dermatologist prescribed biologic in psoriasis.

Visit Skyrizzi.com or call 1866 Skyrizzi to learn more. Look, also not done. Stay in with Marvel. Let's get into this Avengers Kang stuff. Marvel reportedly wants one director for the Kang Dynasty in Secret Wars. Is a title change imminent? This is from our buddy Mark Cassidy over a comic book movie. The news broke last night that director Destin, Daniel Cretton, is no longer directing Avengers, the Kang Dynasty, and will instead focus on his Shang-chi and the Legend of Ten Ring sequel.

He's also doing the Wonder Man Disney Plus series, which will be part of the Spotlight banner and other unnamed Marvel Studios projects. Marvel Studios will now begin the search for another filmmaker to take charge of the ambitious MCU event, and it sounds like whoever does take the gig is going to be very busy for the next few years. Again, coming from Jeff Snyder. Man, he's everywhere.

He's killing it. Kevin Feigy ideally wants the same director for both the Kang Dynasty and Avengers' Secret Wars, which is essentially a two-parter. Snyder has also heard that a title change will be imminent. now seems clear that Marvel will take a step away from the Kang storyline, either replacing Jonathan Majors as the villain or ditching the character altogether and shifting focus to another multiverse saga, probably Dr. Doom.

If accurate, it obviously wouldn't make such to keep the Kang Dynasty name, and Snyder believes that Secret Wars Part 1 and Secret Wars Part 2 is a more likely outcome. As for Secret Wars, we have previously heard that the studio was looking and tried and tested filmmakers behind some of the most popular and successful movies in the MCU to ensure the highly ambitious project isn't safe hands. It looked at John Favro, Ryan Coogler, Sam Ramey. That's a bad choice.

I like Sam Ramey, but not for the Avengers movie. No. There's a chance of Figey still has one of these directors in mind to bring in both hugely ambitious Avengers movies. Avengers movies. Loki Loki EP Kevin Wright recently indicated that in the Multiverse of Madness writer,

Michael Walden was working on both the Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. As far as where it's all going, I can't say, I'm not being coy. Oh, wait, hold on a second. As far as where it's all going, I can't say, and not because I'm being coy, we're not a part of those projects. What I would say is, I mean,

I know Michael Waldron's working on them, and he loves this world, and he helped create it. Avengers of King Dynasty is currently scheduled. May 1, 26, and then Secret Wars to follow on May 7th. So the first thing of 2027. So what I will say is this. The day later. The day later.

Hope everybody sees it. Get ready. Get ready. The number of just like random wives and girlfriend. I mean, there's a lot of women that's here. Let me not say that they don't. But the number of random wives and girls will be like, I'm not going with you at midnight. You can kiss my ass.

Like you just stay. Everyone back the next day. Everyone back the next day. What I will say was I think Snyder's right on the change of title. I think it'll be a change of title. I'm shocked. to their handling it this way. It is so surprising that Marvel, who's usually so good at PR and optics, is letting a writer go,

the director leaves, instead of just canceling the movie. Because it feels a lot more like, it feels like hemorrhaging. It feels like it's bleeding out as opposed to like, shh, it's gone now. Because the tricky part is that the trial's not done. Right. That's why. I just, I would so, I'll be honest with. I do want Doom in some fashion.

And I figured Doom would show up like at the end of King Dynasty. He was going to beat him. It's like so obvious to me. It really felt like Doom was going to be the one that ultimately ends. You do a seven movie Kang buildup. You make Kang the coolest thing ever. And then you have Doom swoop in and take them out. And you're like,

this guy just took out that guy that was seven bad guys. This is also why you don't give a character a title of a movie. Because it's so obvious for people that know any. And you don't have to, but people that do go like, well, that's the plan. Yeah, because especially when you put that out, I mean, like, Infinity War, Endgame. Yes, it was, it was Thanos's story.

But if Thanos, you know, Josh Brolin would have got himself in trouble, They had to move them off. Well, they had either someone else play Thanos or you don't call it the Thanos series. You know, you know, it didn't follow the comics to a T

whereas like Kang Dynasty had to do certain things. It would have to. It would have been easier to replace Thanos also, too. Sure. I mean, not the performance itself, but you were just because of the CGI making it.

I just, it, it upsets me in the sense that we were setting up what was a great story. And I think that as far, as far as like what the, how do I put this? I know people, have been up and down on, and myself

included on how the stories have been going in these movies, but the one through line that has been very solid is the Kang idea and essentially what's been going on with that. So like we may have our beef with moments of quantum media, but it wasn't because of Kang. It was because that movie

just had... No, but the problem what they did with Kang in that movie is... They undermined him as in true. So much so. Like, you know, granted, they set up all these different variants, but the one Kang we're supposed to be terrified of was beaten by Ant Man and Ants. And that's not too, that's...

I get that and I remember it was... And this is, I think, the thing that's also kind of a problem. It's these little tiny lines that are happening that we keep missing things. So there is a line that is said that the ants, the reason why they're able to beat him in that regard... Yeah, they've had thousands upon thousands of thousands of years. That doesn't make it much better. But the idea that they're saying, and I... That's what I'm saying. It's not enough to have it in one little line.

I needed to see something. Even if they are technological evolved dance, I don't want Peng defeated by A. He shouldn't lose in the first movie. I hear you. I understand, but I'm saying like if that was the whole situation, if that's what it was, we need to really drill certain things home. So like there was something that somebody brought up about the marvels that we missed. Oh, about Goose being pregnant.

Apparently Kamalekon's mom at one point goes, she's acting like she's pregnant. She apparently said that. Yeah, she does. I thought she said it looks a little chunky. or something. I thought sure I for him to mean fat. And obviously the eating was alluding to it, but that doesn't change the eggs being dumb. But I'm saying like it wasn't enough to really

drive the point home. And I think some of that is like sort of the issue too, because we've talked about a lot of the writing has been not. The ending of Ant Man quantum is my biggest problem. It's so sloppy. And it's like you said, it just undermined Kang.

And it just made him like that's the guy Tom Hildeson did a better job writing Kang impact then. In his performance. Like the fear of Kang that Tom Hill said when he wasn't on screen was better than everything we got with him on screen written by those teams. Because I feel like majors knew how to play Kang. Yes, but that was the point that Winston was just making is that because the writing was set up so much better in because you had more time to marinate in a six episode thing, that his impact, he was way more effective in the Loki series than he wasn't an Ant Man. Like Ant Man, he wasn't just another, like if that was the first time you saw Kang, you didn't see him in. anything else and he shows up in that thing he'd be like what why is he any different than uh what the villain and they wrote away him getting time elements like the fact that he was in the quantum realms they could negate his time powers but then they have the the prison scene with cassie the entire movie is a metaphor for lost time we've had paul rudd lose time with his daughter and instead

of having kang the time conqueror manipulate time by like i don't know aging up cassie and aging her down and going like do you want me to kill her and watch her with her away in front of you that's way more intimidating than why is this guy of like TK powers you're pressed against wall. He's a conqueror of time and Paul has lost time. Why would you use everything but time? TK. Powers for sure. He did.

That's what he did. Oh, I got to do a little. I got to do housekeeping. Speaking of Loki, you said that I guess in the in the comments, there was what he who remains. You said HSR. That was me.

Yeah, yeah. R.I.P. I said, yes, yes. I meant to say H. H. WR. I just, dude, and I even call me. Every acronym matters. But that's the funny thing about the internet, because I even saw the comment, I was like, my bad, I'm tired.

Oh, dude, you know to tell me. Roxy, who has a very strong Boston accent, cannot say the word, whole. She says whole. And she sounded like she was saying the whole of the ship. And every other comment was, it's not a hole, it's a hole. It was so mad.

She's like, she didn't make a little short of it. I saw the short. I didn't know the context. That makes sense. We accidentally called Tchaca, Tchalla, because in the, what if, it's very quick. You briefly see Black Panther. And obviously, in the 80s, it would be Tachaka. But we referred to him as Tachala.

And every third comment is like, that's obviously the father, Tachaka. We're like, we're sorry. I cannot. So I get it. It happens. But this is why the Internet is one of the worst things to ever happen in the sense of, if people see one thing, instead of looking at, Koi in the comments said something

Christian in the comments said something Roxie in the comments said something It's a no no no You didn't do a thing And then everybody has to see it Well you know you know why I love that It helps the algorithm Yeah you're like

Injavement There's that Whole Roxy Those are the episodes of Duke That's how you get the 102K You know what that is then If I was getting Alchorithm money

I feel like I would probably You are Yeah I didn't pay you guys I was gonna say We had a hundred and two K That didn't hurt. I'm not getting yo money.

Neither am I. Yeah. Do you remember the drama of like eight, nine months ago with what he went through? Yeah. No one is. No one is. Not what it was five years ago. Oh, I know.

I know. I know. And rent is too damn high. But going back to this. Oh, shh. What happened? What happened? No, I just, I just remember that rent's going up next month.

Oh, that's not a moment. The play? All right. So we continuing on here to this, staying with the title side of it. I think it is, don't start to get cute and don't start to try to go against the tide of the press.

Just call it Secret Wars part one and part two. It's easy. It's simple. You make it part one. You set up the whole thing. And then you follow it up with part two. If it's devastating enough, the problem that they have now is they really need to make

doom devastating in the core. of two years. Yeah. Maybe. You know, they got, that's, that's hard.

I, I think, I think you recast. I think you recast. I don't think they're going to, but I think he recast. And someone suggested this the other day. I know he's a little older,

but as a variant, Denzel. You can get him as a variant. Imagine a Denzel wanted to do it. Man, if they go with Pedro Pescal, he'd be a great doom. Yeah,

I just think that, I know you want Henry Cavill, but Henry Cavill is a little young for Pedro Pascales, Reed, because they should be peers. Right. Well, yeah, I don't think they're going to stick to that, too, dude. I don't think they'll, like grow up together, but I think there should be, like, a certain, you know. Now when Lakeith Stanfield exists. He's a little swanier, so you're going to have to make him go bulk up. But, like, he has a very similar energy of that kind of, like, dry, intimidating in your face type.

I've seen him do it enough times that he could, he could, he could tap it. Yeah, like, after a hundred mansion, especially. I never saw that one, but there's tons of other movies that he's been in this. He's got a brother voodoo vibe for me that I love. I think I don't disagree with that. I don't think Brother Voodoo's on the radar right now. Especially not compared to Kang. Yeah, you know what I'm saying?

I feel like he gives me that same kind of dry, but I could break you energy. I mean, I'm 90% sure he's still Wonder Man, but Yaya would kill it. Yaya's Kang would be incredible. That presence, that like energy. What we're doing right now, to be honest, is fantasy casting. Because they're not going to do it. They're not going to do it. They're going to go away from it.

And they might also think, and they might not be wrong, if they do think this, that it just got a little too sloppy and they have a clean out with Loki. And if they're like, we got a clean out with Loki. Basically, the TVA, they're going after the Kang variants. It's all done. We got them. It's over there. It's over there. Don't worry about it.

Look over here now. It is a clean option. I understand. When do you bring in Doom, F.F.? And then you just hope he's powerful enough to really try. You've got to cast strong. You got a cast strong now. Daniel Day Lewis hanging out with Bradley Cooper and played Rocket.

You called DZL up. You make that help. I know. I should have called you guys or text you guys about this because I saw something about the showrunner of Loki being like, yeah, we're hoping for season three. And I'm like, why? Why? You ended it.

Like, why would you do this? No season three. Don't do that. Anything such a poetic ending. It was, it was beautifully perfect. It's the best ending in the MCU, I think. I used to crap on the British all the time, be like, why are your shows like eight episodes? And then everything's a limited.

series. What's wrong with you? Because they got impact. But if you do it properly, it's perfect. And then when Luther comes back, it matters. Or Sherlock comes back for a Christmas special. As opposed to like 82 episodes of like, yeah. And then if Loki shows up in Secret Wars, you're like, oh, there's the guy. It's him. And then

you get your Thorlokey moment. Not in a show. You get it as an impactful singular moment. You should be on time. Leave it. Leave it pay. Yeah. I'm trying to remember what interview he was in. He may have just been talking about the season finale and all that kind of stuff. But it's like, yeah, you know, for the season 3. I'm like, please, Jesus, don't.

Like, you do this is perfect. I also, but go back to what you said before, but Pedro, people've been out of work for a little bit. Everyone's like, what do we got next? I was like, I'll write another one, I'll write another one. The number of things that have been ruined because people just want money. Yeah. That said, I think Molecule Man, you've read the Secret Wars recently,

and I have to remember Molecule Man? Yeah. I think that was the idea of what Kang might be to Dr. Doom. Like, he takes him out, and then he's kind of under his thumb, and you've got that level of power. What I might do is bring in, in Molecule Man to have that position filled in the Secret War storyline and that would be

something you could do as not as big of a villain but someone that would allow for that like secondhand man O.P. Yeah, that's not a bad. That's not a bad choice. Because basically Molecule Man is this very powerful fixture in comics that like wasn't really given any credit but he can manipulate reality at the end of the day but since he's called Molecule Man it never really mattered. It's a cheesy name. So I think Kang was going to be taken out by Doom to become like a lieutenant

and then in secret where you have that element. So what they might be able to do is show this character that's really powerful and then show that doom as control over him and that would give you both a destructive and creative way to like because you really got to build doom up quick i know you i mean i mean that's that's an understatement it's like you it's not you've got to you got to cast them like yesterday you got to put them in cap four you got to put them in you got not in the movie but like post credits or like you got to introduce them you got to get them like you you see you got it has no relation at all that's what i mean fantastic four is it what six Yes, they fight

from time to time, but no, it's not. Doom does not mix it up with Captain America unless the Avengers are involved. Spider-Man pops up. I'm the same guy to introduce the character. I know, but how. But look, the same way, the same way that you put, you know, the spoiler for the Marvels,

you've given you warning. But she has a relation. I guess with, I mean, if you go to the comics, there is a relation. I'm trying to avoid the spoiler, but also say it. There is a relation with Monica and Captain Marvel and all that with what you're talking about. So what you could also do is whatever a particular scene is in the movie that we don't know

the movie of Captain America, that you could somehow relate it, whatever it might be, scientists or whatever, whoever's going to play the ultimate through line that gets us to Secret Wars, which also kind of, I guess, gets me to my next question because they have to set Doom up if they're going to go with Doom and not Kang. Do we actually see 2025 and 2026? No, but also, Cap has a direct solution. It might not be the comic book answer, but the logical film answer is what's more geopolitical than Captain America and what's a better villain for a geopolitical drama than Dr. Doom,

the warlord, overlord of Latvian. He won't be, but imagine there's a geopolitical intrigue in that movie where you've got all these ramifications and then the one that made that happen pulling the strings post-credit scene. And so you've got like an invasion, you've got a war, you got something going on, And then at the end of the day, it's who actually benefits from that war, Latvaria. And then Dr. Doom literally Thanos turn around smile. It's the thing that's so wild is obviously the direct opposition is a fantastic four in Doom, right? Right.

But other than that, like, Doom really doesn't mix it up with anybody that essentially is not also a super genius. So, like, there have been plenty of times where Tony and Doom have gone at each other because it's like, Tony, your armor is pathetic. It's nothing compared to me and what I do. my Doom bots can deal with you. Like, you know what I mean? So, like, the fact that we don't even have another genius of some sort floating around that could be that I could even see Doom, God, if you had thought about this far enough,

I know you were working on dealing with Namor and whatnot and Wakanda forever, that would have made more sense. Because there's times you've tried to take over Wakanda to get the vibrania. Remember, everybody talked about the geopolitical. We thought, yeah, like, even at the council when they're all discussing the loss. Because they didn't want to, they didn't want to go out and they should have, they should have cast at that point. And they should have had them.

But they were focusing on time. Even strange. Because Doom is half tech, half magic, that would have also made a lot of sense. Just the idea of Doom being Captain America, I got nothing, bro. Well, let me tell you. Let me tell you, this is when I would use my power. I would get Kevin Feige and I would ask him every question of like, what are you really thinking right now? Like, and to get to all the real answers of what really is going on, because you know, when you see Kevin Feige and he's at it, and he's like, oh, yeah, they were figuring out.

Meanwhile, he's freaking out. Inside is like every single phrase and word. Oh my God, even Thor? There are times where he's taken the only force. He fought Spider-Man and Spider-Man number six. Like the sixth issue of Spider-Man was Spider-Man versus Doom, but it was like a playful scientific wit. But Spider-Man's not in the MCU right now.

No. Nobody. There's so much already. We've covered two stories today. And this is a massive story. And the question, again, to you guys is, what happens with us? What happens? Like, we've been talking about it all week on Wednesday, Thursday, and now today with the, we, we, we lost, the writer.

We didn't really cover it just now with the three of us, but like the writer took off working on other things. The director took off, working on other things. They're potentially changing the title. What do they do? Do they recast Kang? Do they go with Doom? If so, when do you introduce him? Let's have that conversation here today because I'm, we're all, we don't have a clue.

how about you guys? Do you have a clue? Do you think you know what's going to happen? Let's hear it. We had some trailers. Madam Webb came out. Now, I like Dakota Johnson. I'll tell you that much. But the trailer, you're talking about time travel and all that stuff too. I just feel like everybody's relying on this. I thought that the trailer was an error. I thought you would vomitia. I was like this. I don't know. It's like it's like it's, it, it, fine you know i don't know i mean look i should have watched it especially based off what we do

and how i got flamed by you last time when i didn't watch a super hurt i just wasn't interested like in the same way in the same way that like i had i had never been interested in this movie at all and i and i know i will eventually watch the trailer but i just i don't care in the same way that i didn't really care about craven i eventually saw that trailer i was like there's enough there that i'll watch this it just said i look at this and i go god sony needs marvel studios It's like they just don't know how to make these movies. I'm so glad they're not part of Marvel. I know.

Well, right. Because I love, I love that they make these 2000s movies, man. It's like going to Blockbuster and you're like, okay, somebody took Resident Evil, somebody took Underworld. What's that other one? And it's always that like feel so. Late 90s. Yeah.

And like this movie actually has direction in it. And like you can call out the camera quality you want, but the camera moves. It's got some inventive framework. It's introducing characters Marvel would never touch. It's a lot of deep cut fun stuff for nerds. I'm going to time travel. I'm going to time travel. and watch what I do here.

All right. Winston, you've seen the trailer now. No, I haven't. I have not. What are you talking about? That's... See that jump cut? Winston has now seen...

Isn't amazing? I did it. He can see the future. Did you just... Adam Webb... I just put it in the episode. I put the trailer in your head. Winston, what did you get the trailer?

I think of the trailer. I think Rocksey was right. Those powers are evil and you should never use them. How dare you? Right. I just... Okay. I understand what you're, you, we were talking earlier about how you love your 2000s popcorn blockbuster movie.

There's a twilight audience that isn't satiated. But, but you know what, but you know. I think final destination means bright burn is a great like angle. But, but here's the thing. I know that like, Black Adam wasn't the best. There was something about that popcorn blockbuster movie that was still like, okay. Not that. That was terrible.

That reminds me of Morbius. I'm instantly like, I don't care. So Morbius the rice. Because all of these Sonyverse movies are that kind of popcorn 2000s mentality. Vettom is at least fun. There's nothing fun about Morbius other than the dance we were talking about that.

That was hilarious. The rest of that movie, awful. Movies is a disaster. There's nothing about this that I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, look. I just don't know who like where the audience is going to come from. I just I just don't.

But it's also like this whole connectivity. They're trying to connect it to Spider-Man because they have the, you know, things coming out of the girls. So like all three of the characters and Madam Webb are connected to Spider-Man. Like they're all like Spider-Man character. Spider-Woman is a character from the 70s. She's actually first appearance in Secret Orr's 6 and 7. Which one's Spider-Woman? Spider-W. All three of them are all Spider-Woman.

And then Madam Web. So they're all different Spider-Wen. Is Madam Webb bad? Madam Webb is a, she's a clairvoyant. She's not good or bad. She's kind of a neutral. She just sees. And that's Dakota.

And that's Dakota Johnson. She's usually an old lady. She was in the Spider-Man animated series in that wheelchair and all red like that character, but young. Basically, like, it's a way to use all the B and C-List spider characters without Spider-Man, which is what Sony's been doing. But I think there's a market for Kitch. And I think that's very intentional personally. I think when I want bar food, I get bar food. and when I want to go to the Olive Garden,

I go to Olive Garden, when I go to a nice restaurant, I see Scorsese. And I think the reason I, like, didn't forgive the Marvel's, like I will want to enjoy other movies is because it's a different meal goal. Like, you want to...

I understand that mentality. I understand that mentality, but I think it's smart... And I'm not saying this kind of suddenly. I think it's smart for you. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it's a smart business movie. I don't.

Because the reason why is I don't think that everyone feels the way that you do, the casual viewers. Sure. You're a person who sees movies, you love comic book movies, you love these things. People are selective of what they're going to see in the theater. Especially post-COVID.

You have to keep in mind. Well, this was made before we did the box office numbers. February 14th, Valentine's Day, Dakota Johnson Day. The only reason that it's funny. The only reason that it's got a shot is because of the strikes. Date night. No, because of the strikes. There's not a lot of content.

There's not a lot of content out in the movie. So if people want to go to the movies, see it. But again, the superhero fatigue as it is right now is not helping. You're going to make this worse. That's the thing. You were genuinely going to make the superhero fatigue worse by putting out stuff like. Because the other thing that's crazy, Spider-Man is such a big deal. We're all aware that arguably the biggest superhero.

Like the argument, it's like him and Batman. That's it. You could sort of make Superman. But if we're being honest, he really is like two. And they're 1-A-1B Batman and Spider-Man, right? So that being said, I understand that he's got the rogues gallery and the various allies and all the different stuff. But the idea of trying to literally take this one little chicken wing and suck every little piece of meat off and there isn't even meat there. Now you're just suck it on air.

There's literally nothing left. And you're doing this. I don't need a Craven movie. I don't need a Madam Web movie. I don't need these. Venom made a little bit of sense. The rest of it is don't make no sense. I think an R-rated Craven's a great thing for it because it moves things towards Rated.

To know that he'll never fight Spider-Man, though. Get out of here, bro. I think after Secret Wars, he goes back to Sony. I think at least a Spider-Man is over there after Secret Wars. At least one. Yeah. I think they have at least a Spider-Man for all these. Then you get the Sinister Six and you've got all these villains get their own movie.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you, Winston. I'm on the same page. Quay, I appreciate your offer. You know, I got hope. And I enjoy the two years I get to hope for things until I see them and they break. Like you said, you enjoyed Mobius. Morbius, you enjoyed Morbius, but you also have to acknowledge that it ate a big pile of garbage. Oh, totally.

But Venom is the opposite. So I don't know which way it's going to go. And they're pushing the new venom. Yeah, Venom's November next year. I thought they pushed it, no? Did they? I thought so. Maybe I'm wrong.

No, no, they could have. I thought they pushed it like within the year. You might be right. Here's your sports analogy for the day. This is, hey, we really want football on all days of the week. So you know what we're going to do? On Thursday, we're going to have the Panthers play the effing bears. Nobody cares.

They're both. It's terrible. Shift it. Make them play some other time on a thing we don't care about. And this is why I showed Winston the trailer. So the last thing that I do want to talk about before we get out of here is the trailer for What If. What If Season 2 came out. I love What If Season 1.

I love it. What I really enjoyed about this trailer a lot was that it got me intrigued and I don't know what the stories are yet. This to me, though, however, from what Marvel has proven to me about part one, is this is essentially what Visions is. for Star Wars. This doesn't mean anything. It means nothing. If you go into this thinking that it's actually can and you're going to be disappointed because you had such the opportunity to connect all of this stuff from what if into Dr. Strange. And everybody thought it would because of the stuff with Peggy and you're like, oh, there we go. And they never even play with it at all.

They don't have anything to do with the, who's Jeffrey Wright play? The Watcher. The Watcher. Like they have all, nothing. Not even Sorcer Supreme who they have a version of that isn't him. All played by bed and a Comberback. attention to it at all in the same way they didn't pay attention to Wanda vision they didn't pay attention what if so the once item a lot of people look well good i don't need it to don't think that disconnects to the MCU because it really doesn't but man it looks fun that mad max episode i'm so excited so which one is that again that's the one uh i think it's called iron man crashes into uh it i don't know which order it is but the one that looked like they're playing mario cart like that crazy car one that got me

do you guys oh what a glorious day yeah do you have any indication of what some of the stories are I mean, I do. So, like, I think that Hogan Hogan saves Christmas is going to be like, you know, a Christmas-y. I think it's going to be a spiritual sequel to Iron Man 3 because that was very Christmas. I think it's going to be like basically die hard

in the Marvel universe. Yeah, and they even throw that joke in it. I think that's why they like call it, you know, on its nose. And I'm curious if we find out who actually bought Avengers Mansion because that's been hanging since Spider-Man 2. I think we're going to get a new hero in that character they announced was brand new and canon to this,

the Native American character that's in the like third act of the trailer. I think she might be an echo because it feels like they're getting this out in time for Echo in January. You had an Avengers Manch? Yeah, remember someone bought Avengers Mansion to Spider-Man 2 and they were like Oh, the compound.

Yeah, yeah. I'm literally thinking of like, because you know at times they had a mansion? I was like, there was an Avengers Mansion. Sorry, Avengers Tower. No, no, no, no, no, no. I understand. I'm sorry for being a dick.

I genuinely was just like, wait, wait, wait, did I miss something? My head, it's always Avengers Mansion. Avengers Tower from... No, no, the compound. You're talking about they left the compound. They were in a rush to get all. The building in New York got bought.

Happy Hogan's packing it up. The plane in a home company. But I thought they also sold the compound. They sold everything. They haven't mentioned new body here. The compound got destroyed by Thanos. In game.

And end game. You're talking about the tower. Yeah, the tower and Hogan's moving stuff out of it. You said Spider-Man 2, though. I did. Spider-Man 1. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think because it's Hogan, we might finally find out.

Well, I guess that would negate my whole thing about having nothing, any canon information, but it's like nothing relevant. Yeah, it'll be a throw away, if that's the case. I think we're going to find out what happened in the events after Ragnarok with the collector I think, I mean, so the Grandmaster, I think that might be the the car episode. What else happens

in the trailer? Tachaca and Thor that episode. That's a Chaka episode. So it's called what if Star Lord attacked the Avengers or something like that. But what it is, I think, is he comes back to Earth as a bad guy. Like he was raised

to take out and he fights the Avengers in the 80s and it's the 80s team so it's Michael Douglas's Ant Man and it's and that's why Michael Douglas but I think it's going to be the 80s Who's doing the voice for Michael Douglas? Sounds just like him. I might be Michael Douglas. It could be Jamie Costa.

Oh, it could be Jamie Costa. Oh, it could be Jamie Costa. The Jimmy Costa do a lot of Michael Douglas impression. He's a great Michael Douglas. I just, after that Ants promo, I think Michael Douglas is just in love with ants. Like I think he might just be in.

But I think the 80s of Enders team is my most anticipated. Did you like the trailer? Yeah. I thought it was a lot of fun. Because I liked what if. So like, you know what I mean? I feel like there was only one episode of one if I didn't vibe with,

but the rest of them I thought were really good. Some incredible. Yeah. Like the Dr. Strange episode was incredible. Are they going to follow up with that Ultron storyline? They're certainly going to follow up with Sorcerer Supreme because it was in the trailer, but I don't know, you know. But it was so like, it was such a big thing that I thought they were actually going to play it into the MCU.

Like Ultron was coming back. They set up the whole season. Nothing. Maybe that's what they do. They have Doom take out Ultron. Bring Ultron back. Make them relevant. Take out Doom.

You know what I mean? Like maybe. I'm even surprised that they don't, you're dealing all these timelines and you're dealing with all these universes and the watchers are, I'm surprised TVA doesn't come up at some point. Like you don't even need to get, I think they're going to come up in Deadpool. You think so?

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And maybe the events of what if we'll tie into Deadpool loosely. Like they need some cohesiveness. Why do you think they're going to come into Deadpool? Because he's going to be taken out universe. I think because Deadpool's hopping back and forth taking things out. He's going to get recruited by the TVA.

I think they're going to try to stop. Yeah, I think he's causing problems accidentally. I think he's messing things up and they're like bro, bro, bro, bro, bro, bro. Yeah, yeah. So, all right, we covered a lot without even covering that many. So what do you guys think about everything we talked about here today? Make sure that you let your voices be known comment and I want to thank my guests here today or my co-host, I would say. Winston A. Marshall, where can they find you?

If I made me out the swaggy blurred on all the platform. I don't know why I did that weird dramatic pause. But yeah, no, you were texting and you didn't want to... It wasn't that I was texting. I was trying to make sure because we sent a bunch of stories back and forth that we got all the ones we were talking about. That's all. But anyway, if I missed anything. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.

But yeah, you can find me at the Swaggy Blurred. I've been doing my CPT reviews back on there, man, and all that stuff. Go over on TikTok Instagram. Check out some of the fun content I've got on there as well. And then, you know, once in a blue moon when Koi gets into trouble on Twitter, I'm also there bailing him out. So I appreciate. And I also like your Thanos. Smoh smile, like that little turn smile. I appreciate it. You can find me on TikTok and Instagram and

YouTube everywhere at Coydjondro. I just passed 40K on TikTok. Finally, trying to get it to 50K and I'm 400 away from 40K on Instagram. So if you don't follow me, please do because once I get those numbers, I can actually charge some money to do things on them. And I need money because I live in L.A. So much love. Thank you guys. And I'm really excited for everything we're talking about. I'm hopeful again in 2025. We'll see how it shakes out. Guys, thank you so much for joining us here today. And as I mentioned before, make sure if you're in the Burbank area on December 2nd. Please come see us. We're going to be doing some fun stuff there. All the guys will be doing some stand-up comedy, and we hope that you'll be joining us.

If you haven't already, make sure you hit that subscribe button, leave a comment, do all of that, for sure. I don't know if we're going to have a show next week. We're talking about it. It's just because it's Thanksgiving week. So we're going to, we'll talk about it. At the very least, we'll probably do maybe a virtual show. But we'll, I'm sure there's going to be some news that we're probably going to have to. Winston will probably wind up sending five stories by the time we'll stop recording today. So most likely we'll do a digital

show. We just got to figure out when that is. So thanks a lot. Thanks to our friends over at Green Chef. Thank you for all the people who signed up to Patreon over the last week. And we'll see you on the flip side, everybody. Caps and Cowls, big thing. See you later.