The Kristian Harloff Show - WOW! SOL Foundation launches numerous videos about UFO Disclosure plans and more!

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow On today's show, we discuss the bombshell reveal of Garry Nolan and David Grusch's SOL Foundation videos. This was the conference held in November mapping out the greater plan for UFO UAP disclosure. Col Karl Nell mapped out a plan and went over the difference between controlled Disclosure and Catastrophic disclosure. There were discussions about how the White House does NOT want full disclosure. Hal Putoff discussed the 2005 attempt for full disclosure and how it was ultimately voted against. Putoff also throws his support and belief at Grusch and others who say we do indeed possess these craft and believes we have indeed breached the hull of the ships. Did Sean Kirkpatrick do a 180? There is a report that the former AARo chief is now saying he was told what to say and not allowed to talk about the benefits his team did indeed make. Is this report true? And lastly our buddy Pavel interviews author Nick Cook and they discuss Grusch and Cook's thoughts on what the phenomenon is. This and much more on this super sized epispode of UAP Tuesday on The Big Thing.  #uap #ufo #solfoundation #davidgrusch #alien #otherworld #earth OUR SPONSORS: FUM: Start the year off right with The Good Habit by going to http://www.TryFum.com/BIGTHING and getting the Journey pack today. Füm is giving listeners of the show 10% off when they use my code "BIGTHING" to help make starting The Good Habit that much easier. BLUE CHEW: BlueChew wants to help you have better sex! Discover your options at http://www.BlueChew.com. Chew it and do it! ROCKET MONEY: Stop wasting money on things you don't use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions by going to http://www.RocketMoney.com/BIGTHING ZBIOTICS: Go to http://www.zbiotics.com/BIGTHING to get 15% off your first order when you use BIGTHING at checkout. ZBiotics is backed with 100% money back guarantee so if you're unsatisfied for any reason, they'll refund your money, no questions asked. SOL FOUNDATION VIDS: https://www.youtube.com/@_SolFoundation PAVEL INTERVIEW WITH NICK COOK:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsW31... OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

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every single video that we were like when the video's coming maybe they're going to do it like you day by day, uh-uh, they dropped it all. And whether it was David Grush, Gary Nolan, Carl Nell, I mean, the list goes on and on and on. The who's who of the community was there talking about. And the stuff that they were talking about, boom. I mean, we knew that some of this stuff was coming, and we knew some of this stuff was kind of leaked. But when you hear it, and you hear people talking about exactly what they're talking about in general, And then if you couple that with some of the stuff that we heard on the reason why we were late today, which again, I will, sorry to be vague, but you'll like the explanation.

It all is kind of starting to make sense with a kind of optimistic fingers crossed. Maybe this is it. But then again, you know, the pessimist always goes, yeah, but who's the next Mike Turner? So there's a lot to talk about here. And there's also, remember, and I think we've covered it on the show before. There was that video that I know they showed on, like, Larry King years ago. And the military said, look, we had this missile going up. And then we have a video of this thing unknown comes in and pops it with two lasers.

And the thing hits the ocean. It doesn't blow up. It just, well, that's back in the news. And Lou Elizondo said he saw that stuff. And he told Sean Carpatrick about it. Patrick didn't say, that was nothing. It was nothing.

But speaking to Sean Carpatrick, he's changing his story now, apparently, rumored. Is that now he saying, no, they told me to say that stuff. And whether or not it's actually from him or not, we'll debate that also.

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Christian, I am skating on an existential lake of magic. What is that? I don't even know what that means. I don't know. It sounds cool, though. What does that mean? It means that my mind is completely blown in many ways. Yeah. I am questioning the existence of everything. Right.

Hence the existential in the lake is all the thoughts that I am skating on. And it's magic. Yeah, listen. And he, as they said in the great philosophical movie coming to America, he ain't lying. I'm very happy to be here. Yeah, I'm very happy to have here. So let's tell them first and foremost why the show's late. Yeah.

So originally, we were going to have a very different episode debut today. We had on, and we will have on, Steve Bassett in studio, who, if you don't know, is the first. UAP lobbyist in Washington. And he was on, and we met him at the, we shot at the same studio that we shoot Katie Sackoff's podcast on. If you guys have been paying attention to that show, you can see the one she just did with Michael Rosenbaum. And anyway, so we shot there, and we had, like,

it's like an hour and a half. And to be honest, and I say this with no, I'm not being anything except in awe. I think we said like four or five things throughout. it and it's fine because the guy had so much information and kind of really blew our minds and we were talking about the sole videos and we were talking about all these things but there's a certain thing that he said I don't want to spoil it for next week where he gives a percentage on something and I was like I'm going to hold you that percentage because if that happens

and the reason and he brings and what he says is also very relevant to the stuff that Carl Nell was talking about in these in these soul videos so what did you think about having Steve on and excited for the people to see that. Oh, I think everybody is going to lose their mind for this. You said it. Not a lot of back and forth, I would say, as far as interviews are concerned, but that's by design. Yeah.

I think that was the best thing that could ever happen because we say a lot here, Christian, about what this show is really the two of us are just kind of regular guys asking questions. Yeah. We are looking for answers. we have been, however you want, what metaphor do you want? We've been unplugged.

We have awakened. We are, we are curious. We are asking questions. Yeah. More than anything. And I was able to, I won't speak for you,

of course, but I was able to sit there and ask a few questions. Yeah, sure. And get in just, so many things just came, so much perspective was found in this interview. And I can't wait for everybody to see it.

I had the time of my life. Yeah, so it was a great conversation over all. We sat down with him afterwards, had a conversation with him and just telling him beforehand that we were just two normal dudes trying to figure this stuff out and asking questions and trying to convey that to other people who are like, what is this? Like, I'm skeptical, what's going on?

And then the soul videos dropped. And so the timing of it is like, well, wait a minute, we were planning on airing it today. but then we're like, well, we've got to talk about these videos. And we talked about them briefly. It was so early. It just dropped. Stephen didn't even have a chance to look at any of them.

So we were like, oh, we can't really talk about that too much. So we wanted to talk about a few other things. And we're like, no, let's push that a week. And let's really dive into these videos because even like we have so much stuff. Even Pavel, Pavelle interviewed Nick Cook, who was a best-selling author. And he's an award-winning journalist. So we have clips from that that he has on his channel that he's, giving us the okay to air some of the clips of that that was very interesting and the stuff that

drop about Sean Kirkpatrick I mean there's just so much to talk about today that I was like we get to yeah you know we just so we can't really I was like we have to do it and I was I said to you I thought about it because we we'd shot that interview yesterday and then I was like maybe I can hit up Riley and see if he wants to shoot like Monday night but then I'm like I was exhausted you were exhausted. I wanted to really dive into all the videos and really look at them a little bit more and have kind of a fresh mind. And so I figured if people get the show a little late today, then so be it. But yeah, I mean, let's start. The first thing I wanted to start with was actually this tweet, Gary Nolan writes, professionalizing a new field of inquiry and human endeavor

takes effort and time. This began literally decades ago through the efforts of many. This culminated more recently with the videos brought forward by Lou Elizando and Chris Mellon and the New York Times article by Ralph Blumenthal, Leslie Kane, and Helen Cooper. This includes the efforts of Tom DeLange, the several Navy pilots who have come forward, Dave Grush, Carl Nell, extraordinary efforts by Senator Schumer, rounds, Gillibrand, Rubio, several House representatives, too many to mention here, but kudos and thanks, and many others are all part of a relay race. We hand the baton off and move forward to an academic and commercial leg of the race with other groups like ASA, UAP Coalition for Scientific Research,

Galileo Project, and many longstanding public legacy organizations. Self-Faidations thanks Stanford University and medical school for their unmigrated support in putting together this conference, and we are incredibly thankful to the speakers and participants for their efforts of the conference. Moreover, we immensely thank the film and sound editors, Matt Ford, Fritz Kramer, Jen Carson, Weatherby, and David West to videography for making the talks fantastic

and it sounds so incredibly professional. So that's just basically saying, okay, look, here we go. Let's get into this thing. And then if you go to the YouTube channel, and of course, I looked, I'm surprised, News Nation didn't cover this. The Hill didn't cover this.

I couldn't believe it. I was like, they're going to cover it. No one covered this. I was like, what in the world? It's, and I'm interested to see once the coverage starts to kick in because I feel like, you know, the soul.

foundation dropped a lot. Everything, yeah. They dropped a lot of videos and I was, you know, we've been in the YouTube space for so many years now. I looked at the views and I'm surprised, you know, and I think that that is very much going to change because of the wealth of information that was dropped. And I mean, I'm looking at those names that you just read off. It's like the Avengers coming together. Yeah. Finally. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and the X men, all in one. it's incredible to see all of this. And this opinion is very much colored from our conversation yesterday.

But just to look at this, it's incredible. It is incredible. It's incredible. So I'm just going to read off some of the names of the videos that they actually posted. I'll show it here. All right. Just look at some of these names already.

David Grush, Jacques Palais, Diana Walsh, Hirsch-Biss-Bissouca, Beatrice, I'm not going to get all these names right, so forgive me, Beatrice Verl, Timothy Gildad, Christopher Mellon, Jeff Krepal, Larry McGuire, Avi Lowe, Elylew, Ely, Kevin Neuth, Paul Thigpin, Gary Nolan, Hal put off, Peter Skeckfish, Carl Nell. That's just like some of the, that's just some of the peeps for I mean,

that's all the peeps, but that's like, I mean, that's, that's all the peeps. I mean, you know, minus maybe a few here there, but they had everybody. who's everybody on this thing. And it was exactly, remember now, we talked about this in November when there was that leaked photo about the disclosure plan. That was like one of our big episodes

that we had talked about, the photo got leaked, and everybody started to know, what the hell is it? What does that mean? What does that mean? Now, the one that I want to talk about, I guess first is the Carl Nell one, right?

Okay. Because that to me was the most, I thought was the most fascinating because it was really like the disclosure about the plan itself. Yeah. Yeah. What did you think about that one?

I, you know, it really is interesting to see the plan that they have and how meticulous it is. And how they are going into stuff that we have been talking about endlessly. Right. And to see that it's a really interesting, and they're. They used like, what was the word he was using for like Schumer and stuff. It was like the, uh, something eight, right? Yeah, the something eight. Yeah.

And there's apologies if I get anything wrong because there was a lot of information that came out. Um, but yeah, they're talking about like the, the angels that are Schumer and rounds and these guys that are coming in, um, at the Senate to bring this forward to finally show some transparency. The, the players, you know, I say the Avengers, the X-Men, because that's what it's. feels like the mentioning of this is what it is but the what really stood out to me is how long of a process this has been yeah and how you know what's his name um the guy in the a team would say it i love it when a plane comes together right right well it feels like it does the only the only thing and i wrote this in the comment of carnells is because they were what they they he in this is the one that i would tell people to watch first because he as he's going through everything and the

idea of how long the transparency would take and the difference between catastrophic disclosure and um and you know regularly that was fascinating and plan disclosure like and the the deal with like catastrophic is this somebody just either whether it's our enemies or or someone in general just dumping everything all the information all at once which they say is not the way to go um but one of the things that they say and that he says is that it's so crucial that the rounds and that the rounds and Schumer bill goes through and what that would mean. And it's also very relevant to the conversation

that we had with Steve Bassett and talking about all the things that was intended and what that bill actually meant and when you hear Steve Bassett's take on it of how ultimately rounds and Schumer were playing chess, everybody else was playing checkers. But it seems very reliant in this presentation

by Carl Nell that they needed this thing to get past in the way that it was intended, and it didn't. It was gutted by Turner and all these other people was gutted. So I'm curious that, you know, because they released this, Riley, as if, you know, because it was shot in November. The thing got crushed at the end of December or gutted by the end of December. So where does, they don't give any updates inside of it.

Like, where does that put your plan? Because your plan is determined by this particular thing moving forward. it doesn't mean it's going to halt it, but it means like what is it, it's going to change it for sure. Like what does, what does that mean overall? That's the question that I would ask like,

Gary Nolan or Cornell if I had them on the show. It'd be like, well, what does that mean next? Like, because that's, you guys seem very reliant that that was going to plan. Like when Grush was on Rogan, he was like, this is very important that this needs to happen,

but these guys, and that's when he called out the two mics for doing what they're doing. The first time I was aware of their names was because of that show. But, and that was, and I think his interview with Rogan was after this conference, I believe, or around the same time. Oh, yeah, it had to be. Yeah.

So I don't know, man. I don't know, I don't know, like, what that means overall. But this is some of the stuff, this is, this was an interesting part. You had mentioned, you know, the, the review board and Schumer-Rounds Amendment and all that stuff that Carl Nell was talking about. And this is, this is kind of what he said. Let me show, let me show that. All right, so here's a little bit from the Carl Nell. conference and then this board is to adjudicate whether the stuff actually is to o and n hI and whether

it should be postponed or disclosed and we'll get into some of the ramifications of that in a minute so how's this board going to do this they're going to develop a plan and this is a big difference from the jfk legislation so this plan for all records that they deem need to be postponed for whatever reason is got to indicate a benchmark driven process with specified occurrences and time frames for downgrading review and declassification for everything that's postponed. And then this plan supersedes all previous declassification guidance that may have been applicable to this material. That's extremely important.

That's different than the JFK. The JFK was basically like, should we postpone or not? Okay. And then it gets kicked down the way. road if they say postponed. Schumer basically says if you're postponing you got to tell me exactly what you got to do to release it in a benchmark driven plan. And then this plan basically becomes the declassification guidance going forward. Now the point is that the president ultimately has the sole non-delegable authority. So Congress can't impinge upon, you know,

presidential executive authority. So the president makes the ultimate decision based on these recommendations but once the recommendations made they're either immediately disclosed or as postponed as we said or put into and the decisions put into the federal register within 14 days so the president has to provide a reason to the board on what his decision is both classified and unclassified the unclassified reason gets published publicly within 14 days the other point here is that all the records are to be disclosed within 25 years of the date of creation unless the president deems

otherwise. And Congress has appropriated or authorized the appropriation of 20 million to do this. And also want to thank Mike Colangelo for posting all this stuff. He really breaks it down well on Twitter. He posted a lot of these clips. You should check out his Twitter account to see a lot of these breakouts if you want to see because he went through all of them. It's a great follow. So Riley, you hear that, what comes to mind? Well, you know, the first thing that really stands out to me is they mentioned the holier than thou, or maybe that's not even the right way to put it, but JFK. Yeah.

You know, and what's. Holy grail, maybe? The holy grail, there it is. The holy grail of these kind of government transparency talks and precedence. And they mentioned JFK. And that just is so apropos. for what this is, I feel. Because it is a plan.

And it's almost like we learn the hard way with JFK. We're trying not to have that happen here. Although I feel like it's already happened because, you know, there's, you know, there's so much smoke. Sure. There's a giant fire somewhere. And it's probably in, you know, the basement of the Pentagon. That really stuck out to me and just, you know, having a very serious. plan in place to get things moving and this is like kind of the opening you know the opening

statement of that yeah of you know reveal and here we go you know off and running I wonder how many of these guys are going to be you know there's supposed to be this hearing the next hearing that's supposed to be like the major hearing with all these people supposed to be coming forward how many like Carl Nell is probably someone who's going to testify you would assume he's guided this time around. They said there's anywhere between 15 to 20 people or 40 people. I can't remember what it was, something like big number, because that's what it's going to take.

It's going to take something like this, because this is great. What Soul Foundation is doing is great. It's great. And if you're really interested in this topic to go through what all these experts and people who have been part of this field forever are saying, it's a must listen. But what's important is, that to us, the people who listen to this show, you're going to go and you're going to watch those videos.

People who are not paying attention to what's going on are not going to be searching the Soul Foundation videos and don't know what the hell the Soul Foundation is. Right. But if the people from the Soul Foundation are talking in front of these and then the major news outlets start to actually cover it because you can't deny it anymore, but what Carl Nell is also saying is that

you're going to get to a spot where then the president comes out and goes, hey, guess what? And when that happens, It doesn't matter who the president. Whoever the president is is going to say it. And people are going to go, oh, we're living in a very different world now. Yeah. And they emphasize that, too.

You know, that the president has the sole kind of authority to do this. And, you know, if the president were to come out and say, okay, it's real, we have ETs or we have crafts or there are crafts or there are things that we do not understand and are doing. That's a very different world we live in. It is. And so, and you mentioned that. I want to bring that up and actually show this also. If you notice, Carl N.L. talks about terms like N.H.I. and just certain things that he was talking about. And in this particular clip that I thought was fascinating, Riley, is that this is, again, from Mike, who clips out the part work. Carl N.H.N.L. explains the terms N.H.I. Legacy program, prosaic attribution and T.U.O. that appeared in the Schumer-Rounds amendment. So for us normal folks, like, well, what the hell is all that mean?

Well, I think Carl does a great job here in breaking it down. And here it is. All right. So I've got to kind of move a little faster here. So these are terms of reference in the legislation. So non-human intelligence, at least 18 times cited in there, any sentient intelligent, non-human life form, regardless of nature or ultimate origin, that may be presumed responsible for UAP, based on the earlier definition, or of which the federal government has become aware. Legacy program, all federal, state, local government, commercial industry, academic, private sector endeavors to collect, exploit, reverse engineer, TEO, or biological evidence of NIH. Prozic attribution, you remember this was in both of those terms, UAP and T&O.

Prozac attribution, having a human, either foreign or domestic origin. So, UAP is non-human, T&O, human. Technology of unknown origin, this is very important for the eminent domain clause. any material or metamaterial, ejecta crash debris, mechanisms, machinery, equipment, assemblies, or sub-assemblies, engineering models or processes, damage or intact airspace vehicles,

or damage or intact ocean surface or undersea crap, associated with UAP, or incorporating science and technology lacking prosaic attribution or known means of human manufacture. So that's what eminent domain applies to. Okay. That is insane.

It's insane. It's insane. It's insane in so many different levels that, now this is a lot of the stuff that I believe was gutted out of the act, by the way. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But it was in the act and the fact that, again, the Senate majority leader had that in there many times over

with the terms NHI and reverse engineering and all these other things in there that we, like this is the, basically the acknowledgement of him going, yep, yep, yep. And everyone else going, yeah, this is what is out there. right now we got to, this is like these steps towards it. And I'm telling you, I can't wait until you guys hear Steve Bassett talk about this next week because this is all the stuff that he kind of really breaks down as far as the game plan and how it's and grush, how he threw everybody off and all these things.

And now this putting this in like acceleration and hearing all these different terms, these are the terms that we as just the normal people need to get more equated with because this is the kind of stuff that's going to come out more because you're going to go, What the hell is that H.I? What the hell is all this stuff means? And this is, this was a very important part of Carl Nell's presentation, I thought, Riley. Yeah, absolutely. And it's, those terms flying out of there, knowing that that is, that was part of the thing that was gutted, that it could be looked at in, I'm sorry, I believe it to be confirmation that this is, that, that they have crashed. remains, they have, that people have been reverse engineering this stuff, that it just feels like a very solid confirmation that this is all really real, really real, that's nice, but real.

And it, it blows my mind. I mean, it is, it continues to be this, this overwhelming, like, you know, I'm sitting here going, we, we are already in a different world because this is happening, but there are so many people that don't, they aren't aware of this, that, you know, had no idea that Schumer was standing up there. Right.

Still. Still. Still. Yeah, still to this day. Like I know, my father, Schumer, he got up and talked about UAPs, dad. Huh?

Right. I didn't see that. Yeah, and he's reading everything. His newspaper, which is another interesting point that Steve is going to make when in our, in our episode that I'll just leave for that,

but about mainstream media, about, you know, why you're not seeing, let's say, ABC, NBC, some of the main, you know, talking about it, but that there are many articles to be found out there in print media. And that even it's Miss My Dad, you know, because he doesn't really believe it. Yeah, and let me show also, this was essentially the thing that was kind of leaked.

Here's this whole overall plan that they had. And I remember this is also before the thing got why. down, but here it is. Okay, so he says the way forward, UAP campaign plan lines of effort. So you look at, you remember, if you watch this show a few weeks back and we talked about this, and it was January 2024 is demonstrate existence, public senator government, you have all this stuff, January 2026, correlate signatures, 2030, characterized performance, October 2034, determined nature, phase five, engagement, whatever that means, engagement. then after this. And it's indefinite. You know, it's October 2034 and then indefinite. Right. So there's

investigation, human ethics, anthropology, sociology, religion, scientific research, natural sciences. I mean, they have all these things that are kind of set up of how they're going to do. They have a, I love that they've got a full-on plan in place, right? Strategic end state, proper oversight restored, catastrophic disclosure avoided. There's all these things they're trying to do, right? These all these things that they're trying to do. Right? These all the things that they're trying to do. Now, whether or not they can do it now, and that's why I'm so curious with that. And again, I'm trying not to spoil the interview, but what Steve,

with Steve Bassett said about how this could, particularly the stuff that Schumer and rounds did put into play, and it was watered down, that that stuff could be reintroduced again. And that Bassett

is pretty confident that because of certain things that happened and will happen, it will get past next time. So I am curious if that is indeed the case and how that's going to work and how they're moving forward in order to do that. Because what Carl Nell also said was they wanted to...

This is... Okay, so it was called The Gang of Eight, by the way, is what you were talking about. The gang of eight, there it is. So this is one more clip from Carl Nell. Like I said, to me, Carl Nell, I mean, everybody had fascinating stuff. everybody. But Carl Nell to me was the one that I just saw so many great clipouts about,

and I, and I saw so, he just said so much. And there's another reason why I think that this guy should just be talking at a lot of different things, especially at the next hearing, if they indeed get him. Let's, let's play this clip. And this is, again, what they want to do as far as the plan. And this is a longer clip, but it's, it's worth it. So here's, here's the last clip that we'll show of Carl Nell. All right. So the sound. is a little um it's not matched up here all the way so just forgive us in the way that this clip is so just listen uh eminent domain uh so maybe we'll have some discussion after this i want to kind of keep going through here but they're legal pros and cons uh obviously if you got an aversion

eminent domain you probably had a version to this part of the statute but the point here is the government wants to uh restore oversight and control of the material so it's it can make better progress scientifically on this. And so the challenge is, does that affect intellectual property rights? And the way the legislation written is it does not, because any IP created out of the material is retained by the owner.

All right, terms of reference disclosure. So the point here is there's a difference between controlled disclosure and catastrophic disclosure. Controlled disclosures using the campaign plan, catastrophic disclosure, I think, was what was alluded to in the prior discussion where all the information is dumped out there by an adversary or non-human intelligence to create societal disruption.

All right, so this is an important slide, because if we want to facilitate this board doing its work, then the barriers that impede that need to be lowered. And so you need to understand what the impediments are to disclosure. And so there's six reasons for non-disclosure. National Security, lack of a plan, societal disruption, covert agreement, cover for misdeeds, and organizational intransigence.

And you could just derive this from first principles. And so a lot of this has been talked about already, but let's look at societal disruption. Challenge to existing authority structures, ontological shock, market crash, false authority syndrome, stagnation of initiative. All of these are issues that are preventing disclosure. They're going to impact the plan that the board develops. If you actually shred through these issues, you realize these are really not government issues. These issues are more effectively solved in the private sector, in the academic sector,

in legal reviews and policy discussions, in the natural sciences. So this tees up the opportunity for Saul Foundation and the members here to contribute to the solution of this plan because there's a linkage here. So there needs to be a campaign plan to synchronize all the cyberd-d-a-d-d-big-in-the-plan. So a campaign plan is like a

plan about a plan. It's a meta plan, right? So that means you know like cost schedule performance is really not part of your campaign plan. It's just sort of like this is the direction we want to go. These are the ends ways and means that we want to use and this is like the kind of shared consensus of what we're trying to do. And the shared consensus I would submit is we want proper oversight because we've got a government that's run by elected officials and ultimately they're accountable to the public and they've already recognized that they don't have the appropriate oversight. So we want to get oversight.

And we want to get disclosure, but we want to get it through a controlled process. We want to get it in a way that doesn't create the societal collapse. Like Eric Klein talked about in 1177 BC, the system collapse of all the ancient societies. This is the order of the potential concern that might be happening here. And then the third piece is, what do we want to do about this problem? Well, we've got to actually address the scientific, technical, ethical, legal, religious aspects of this, and more people need to be involved if we're going to make that progress. So this is the obligatory DOD type of campaign plan chart.

So we've had phase one. We've completed phase one. I would argue phase one ends when we get Schumer. And so it says, demonstrate UAP existence by January of 24, and you're like, oh, that's crazy. That's never going to happen. It's probably won't happen my lifetime. I'm saying that that already happened.

The gang of eight just said that we need this legislation and they don't have proper oversight. So disclosure is a process, it's not an event. And it's going to stair step across these phases. So phase two is where academia, I think, comes in. And then ultimately get to the wider public. And so we see like October 2030 is maybe the pivot point when this board sunsets, seven years for the board

to do its job. But in order to facilitate the board doing its job, this philosophical investigation, line of effort B, scientific investigation, line of effort C, and private sector investigation, line of effort D, is where we can all contribute to facilitating and lowering that potential barrier. And so I've got maybe a minute or two.

I'm going to just jump through a couple ideas that I've got for each of these lines of effort, if we might do that. So this is the government line of effort. Pass Schumer, grant legal amnesty, centralized the data, create a Manhattan project to address this area, sponsored National Science Foundation charter and NIE, National Intel Estimate,

to assess the public-private positions of every country with this topic and where they are with it, and use that to tee up a United Nations Summit or World Congress on developing new norms of behavior in this context, right? So that would be a line of effort A. What about line of effort B, the humanities?

I think we need a sociological model for analyzing the societal impact for disclosure and then developing mitigation strategies a priori address that. Now some people think that maybe less of a concern or more of a concern. It's kind of irrelevant. Like it's an unknown right now, but we need a plan to address it to lower that concern. Codified laws of ethics in an environment where we might have a hierarchy of being, where everyone isn't necessarily having equal competitive potential. How do you, it's essentially translating our special relativity version of ethics to a general relativity version of ethics,

where you've got the problem of a more advanced civilization. coming in and disrupting a less advanced civilization. It's the same issue with AI or colonialism. I mean, dude, I've heard this stuff already, and every time I hear it again, I'm like, what? It's like, it's everything that, you know, it is one of those things where if you're paying attention to it, and even if all this stuff comes to first,

I'm still going to be like, wow, they're really, it's really happening. But I'm at least preparing myself as I lead up, right? as what they're saying to try to do to everybody else. But you hear that the greater civilization teaching the lesser civilization. But you see in that slide, though, where my concern comes Riley, where I say like, well, here's what has to happen first. The Schumer thing goes and gets passed and then this, this and this.

And it's like, yeah, but it didn't. So what's the audible? What's the audible? Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know. I don't have an answer. I think that I look at this, though, the slide, the presentation, the soul, and all the released videos and everything, and it's just they're ready.

Yeah. They are, they are ready. And this is not something that it's just like, yeah, you know, once that a Senate hearing happens and we get all the answers, it's just, it's going to be, boom. No, they're ready and it's, it's meticulous in their, in their planning. because it really is. I mean, can you imagine? I mean, we're ready for it. You, me, everybody watching here right now,

the curious that might have just found us right now, you're a lot more ready than 99 maybe percent of the people out there. That stuff like this could drop. And it will be a sideswhip. It'll be like, you know, huh, whoa. Just absolutely, you can be befuddled by this. And you can't even speak a lick of English anymore. And like, what are you going on?

I know. Because it is, it is earth-shattering. It is the ramifications to consider. You know, if it just a catastrophic disclosure, you know, things stood out to me. You know, it's like a, and I'll paraphrase, but like, you know, the societal impact you know uh people like questioning authority um you know religious uh ramifications you know what is like that that that can be like you know um you know leave the world behind that that netflix movie sure right did you see that christian yes julia roberts yeah you know uh the

society just starts to turn on each other right you know um there there is something to consider in that which is scary. Right. It was just kind of scary because you could see. Well, they address it too. They address that stuff and the whole point is that they are trying to go against all the cast and they have a plan. Right. So that's, that was just the Carl Nell stuff.

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serious injuries to military and civilian personnel. Indeed, this is an area of research for Dr. Nolan and the Soul Foundation. I'm here to support Gary's and Peter's efforts to advance the scientific study of UAP, but I also recognize that as much as it might like to, we can't let the government divest itself of this issue. Similarly, the government does not have the luxury of limiting itself to pristine scientific information. This is one of the areas in which I differ from Dr. Gertpatrick, who claims there is, quote, no credible, unquote, evidence of UAP demonstrating capabilities or doing things that violate our understanding of science. To my mind, the Nimitz aviators and radar operators and technicians are eminently

credible. The intelligence community certainly prefers rigorous scientific information whenever possible, but it would be untenable, if not suicidal, for the intelligence or law enforcement communities to limit themselves to robust and repeatable censor data. We rarely have the luxury of sensor information on the intentions of foreign leaders or the precise capabilities of adversary forces, so we do the best we can with what we have. We should consider the accounts of the Nimitz Aviators and radar operators as highly credible evidence of intelligently controlled graft, doing things we cannot emulate and don't understand. For example, as noted in the earlier presentation, the Tick-Tac went supersonic

without a sonic boom. It overcame G-forces that would destroy anything built by man. There was no evidence of the plasma that we would normally expect to see at such extreme velocities. I realize the limitations of human reporting, but I see no reason to suddenly change the rules and standards we normally use in the Intelligence Committee when evaluating UAP. I'm raising these issues to remind that the paramount question about UAP for government policymakers and many members of the public will undoubtedly be whether UAP posed an existential threat. I'm thrilled to be supporting investigations of UAP's signatures, propulsion materials,

meta materials, and so forth, but we can't dodge this issue in making the case for disclosure. We have to address it head on. admittedly, nothing is ontologically shocking as disclosure has ever occurred, certainly not in modern times. But there's some interesting precedents we can examine. I mean, I think that one was very important. That's huge. Yeah, because that's the one for me. Yeah.

It gets me. It gets me. Because that's the one that we ultimately, why we started doing this in the first place, is like, yes. Okay, we don't know what it is. We don't know what it is. But there's clearly something flying around in the sky that, as he said, very credible reports and very credible people who have seen these things.

And the idea that there's been some of the report in the late 60s about the entire nuclear, normally there was like, if you go into the report of it, there was like the nuclear facility that was normally, you know, you'd have like a maybe every once in a while, maybe they'd be like a little bit of a faulty missile. And maybe it was possible that one of them shut down, maybe. but one event where they saw something hovering above it and the witnesses saw it shut them all down. The entire thing, like all was five or six or however many there were.

I'm definitely not getting it all right. And like I said, not an expert just from what this case says. And there's like a few of those witnesses still alive, I think, from that time. But it's clearly one of the reports that Mellon is mentioning. he's talking about how the fact that these things are going sonic boom and no sound and all like there's and if the g-force would crush these things yeah and i love how he opens it i love how he opens it up and says look we're not necessarily saying here that it's interdimensional and all these type of things which it very well could be but that's not the point the point is there's stuff that's in the sky flying around

that's doing things and we don't know how it's doing it we don't know how they're doing it and it's and it's been happening for a long time, and this is one of the reasons we need disclosure. And I like how professionally he was like, I don't agree with Dr. Capatrick and what he's saying about this, because this. And he uses the science of it all. So I thought this was a very important part of the presentation. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And there's especially a line that I circle. You know, we have multiple cases of near mid-air collisions and other cases involving serious injuries to military and civilian personnel. Indeed, this is an area of research, Dr. Nolan, the Soul Foundation,

uh, they, they want to do. So, you know, that's so important is that, okay, we're not saying they're little green men from Mars. We're not saying they're interdimensional. We're not saying, you know, they're Santa Claus. We are saying that we have credible reports of objects that have rendered, you know, our radars going off. have nuclear radioactive signatures,

and that we have credible witnesses and instances, multiple cases of near mid-air collisions, and other cases involving serious injury. That to me is reason enough for government disclosure because it's putting our military in jeopardy, including our civilian populace. That is so important. The civilians fly around every day.

We fly around every day in an airplane. Now, we may not, you and I, and many people may not be trained and putting our lives in jeopardy every day like our military do. But this all goes hand in hand. You know, they're witnessing these things, the Tick-Tac. He brings up the Tick-Tac, which is so important because that is something that is video that is out there that everybody can see and go, what is that? Right. you know, and he brings up Kirkpatrick again. You know, and sometimes these things get away from them.

That thing gets away from you? Yeah, it got away from you because it flew the fuck away. Right. Excuse me, my language. Yeah, I mean, look, absolutely for sure. And I think that when you look at the way that he puts this all together, I think that this is, they have so many, this is what the Soul Foundation did very well inside of this,

is that they hit it from all different sides, right? They hit it on the plan itself. They hit it on the military side of it. They hit it on the side where this is what's out there right now. They also hit it from the side of all the crazy stuff of like the what was recovered, all these now. How put off somebody that's been around for a long time and been part of these programs? And did you ever – I've sent it to you, so I know the answer is going to be no,

and I'm going to be mad at you. Did you ever watch that Wi-Files episode I sent you? I did not. Okay, great. So inside that episode. I need to sit down and watch it. You do. Because inside that episode, they talk about the remote viewing and all that stuff, too.

But somebody who was highly involved in that program was Hal Putoff. And so Hal Put-Up has been involved in a lot of. He also spoke in this particular conference. And the stuff that he says is nuts. Nuts. So this is a longer video, five minutes, but well worth it because going to blow your mind. At least at least mine it did so let's let's play this clip and then we'll talk about this on the other side Because this this one this one to me is is bonkers Magoo yeah

Now the list of things they wanted us to investigate to make a list like they were interested in 12 potential threat areas lift propulsion control power generation space time translation materials configurations, configuration structure, signature reduction, human effects, human interface, armaments, and peripheral support issues. Well, that's a pretty intelligent list. So chances are you've got some knowledge that's driving this list. So our in-going assumption was, okay, and maybe what we had heard way back in 2004 was true,

So that is, countries do have access to trash-free materials. Okay, so, well, let's just move, get their materials and get them into the scientific community. Part of my job was to try to negotiate that, and the answer was, this is so compartmentalized. It just isn't going to happen. When I say compartmentalize, I mean, people had stuff in their basements that they would love to have brought up to their scientists and engineers in the top four that was so compartmentalized and so secure, they couldn't do that.

So that turned out to be a non-starter. He said, okay, well, let's try plan B. Pass all the materials to us. We'll set up a kind of a buffer organization. And then we'll come in the front door for your people to work on it. And we will reveal where this stuff came from, so that'll give you what you need to separate it.

Blackout shot down big time. So we went to Plan C. Plan C was okay. We can't do this the obvious straightforward way, all this technical stuff. So how about this? Let's go to all the experts in the world we wish we could have passed this information

And tell them that we're just doing a survey for Bigelow Aerospace. We'd like to know where your field will be in the year 2050. But the quality papers we got, I think, are probably almost as good as if we had been able to share materials and so on. And as you know, we have people like Dave Rush coming forward and saying straight out, we've been we've got materials, craft, and bodies. He's not the only one. As it turns out, the person who ran the program at DIA for us was Jim Lackackackackackacksky,

if you're familiar with that name. And they just published the book, Lackackackackski, who ran the program from DIA, Cohn Kelleher, who was the project manager at Bigelow Advanced Aerospace Studies, who was the prime contractor, and George Knav, called inside the U.S. government covert UFO programs initial revelations. And one of the key phrases in there that certainly caught my attention when I saw it was that Jim Lekatsky, who is also a very high intelligent community, responsible individual, reveals in the book that we have craft of unknown origin and we've gotten inside it.

So it isn't just Dave Rush as a high level and publicist person bringing us out to the world. We now have the person who ran this program, which is a very significant program. So anyway, that's where we come to. So I think now's the time that we have all these reasons to take this really seriously and to expect that something is going to come out into the public. And of course, many of you know about the Schumer Amendment where you can't believe it in a congressional amendment that word NIH, non-human intelligence appears over 20 times. and if that passes, things will move forward at some relatively rapid flip.

All right, a lot of it, it's like the Likatsky stuff and the fact that that was the whole breach, the whole thing. Yeah. Where, you know, this is the guy who ran a put-off who ran all these programs saying that here's another guy. Now, I think that they're going to, they've got to get, I know that James Katzky said he doesn't want to testify, but I think. think they're going to have to subpoena this guy. I think they got it. I think they got it. They got to get him in there and have him do it. But the thing that bums me out at the very end of it is everyone is saying the same thing. Oh, but man, if this Schumer bill passes, it's going to be, well, it didn't. I mean, it passed, but it got gutted. So it's like, so I still want to ask every single one of these people, whether it's put off or Nolan or like, what the hell is, what's the audible?

Like, what's the audible? Because every single person in these, in every one of these things, like, well, once this bill gets goes through. it's going to move. It didn't go through. So what, I wanted to hear the, well, if it doesn't, because at the time, they still knew that there were people, maybe they didn't know. I thought they did. People trying to throw their weight around like the Mike Turner's of the world. And, you know, because what he's saying, though, Riley, you know, talking about the different ships and the different things that they have. And like, I just don't understand. I still don't get it. I don't get it that if people, even someone who's a skeptic coming into this, what is,

The end game for all of these people, if they're making up these stories, what's the end game for all the different, like, collusions of similar reports of high-level, high-ranking officials? Are we just hiring a bunch of, like, whack jobs to run these highly programs, or is there, or should you go, well, there might be some real merit to this stuff that I didn't even know about? Like I'm hoping that that the latter is what it is, that people kind of going, I didn't know the, like the extent of what, because I didn't, when I was watching like that five-parter, I didn't know the extent of how many military people like knew so much. And yeah, I always thought it was like Billy Bob and whoever behind his shed going, oh, I just saw some flabob. But then when you actually see that it's like how many military people and you look at people like Putoff and Carl Nell and Gary Nolan, these are all people that are. like Ryan Graves now. Everybody. Everybody that's involved in these days. That's just, I mean,

Lekatsky, Grush, like all these different people who are, these aren't people that you're like, oh, like, I understand, I mean, I understand, because if it turns out that he's telling the truth, people can have a lot of egg on their face, but someone like, like Pablo Zar. Right.

Like, Bob Lazar was like the only guy. And people like, you'll see it in comments. And Stephen Greer's another one where you'll see it in comments where people are like, and even if I ask the audience, what do you think about Bob Lazar? What do you think about Stephen Greer? I'm going to guarantee that there's going to be a lot of people who think,

no, legit, legit, legit, legit. And there's going to be a lot of people who are going to go, nah, fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud. And I think that there's more of that conversation with those two than there are the Carl Nells of the world. And I don't have an opinion on the other two, by the way, either. I'm just saying, like, as far as when you look at the majority, when you see just the comments of what I'm what I'm seeing.

But not for these other people we're talking about. Like what's, I don't just, I just don't see the end game. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, it's,

so when all this started coming out, you know, really for me, and I'll only speak for myself here, but when Grush came forward, that was the turning point for me. Right. Because he was so credible.

and high ranking and have the military service and have the intelligence background where you went, you couldn't, at least for me, as somebody that likes to consider myself educated, me looking at this man going, wait a minute, and thinking to myself, what does he have to gain by coming forward, right?

Because you mentioned some of these other names and they're so like kind of, you know, they've been doing this for a long time. And I think the general audience or a populace, or a populace can look at it and just classified as like, ah, that guy's crazy. Yeah. And no matter what, like Harvard, he's a kook.

You know, he's kind of, maybe he took a, maybe he saw some, I don't know. I mean, one or two, you can kind of see why people just kind of classify them over here. Sure. And like, that's an outlier. Now we have all these names coming forward. And military and, you know, Grush started it for me, like I said. And then you list off a number of military personnel. And you start to ask the question, what do they have to gain?

And now when there's so many of them coming forward, what is this some? Do they send an Evite out? And they all come to the same place and go, this is what we're going to do to fool everybody. No, it's just, it, I'm just looking at it rationally. Why would they come forward with this, not necessarily, evidence because some of them will have it we're going to get there but with these allegations i guess you can say with with people coming forward like this right what do they have to gain they are credible they are educated they are military they are people of high-ranking intelligence all

these things the end game is to convince the the the skeptics out there right and they need hard proof and there are people that are saying we have proof and that's the what the end game is and that's why this is going to take me because i feel like we are at we are literally at the tipping point yeah it's all of this is coming out now this is that this is it this is the the snowball is huge you would assume so you know it's a boulder now going down a mountain it's gaining so much momentum and so much it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger right and and that's what i'd like to make that clear also is that even though i do think that the boulder might have like hit a wall when the gutting happened,

I don't think that the boulder fell apart. I think the boulder just stopped and has to roll in a different direction to go down the hill. That's a good way to look at it. But the other thing is that this was also very interesting I found with the HAL put off stuff.

And that's where he went to a, you know, he went to a conference, I think what year was it? It was 2005. And so Hal was recently part of a panel assembled in Washington under semi-officials, semi-officials to discuss the potential impact

of publicly revealing the reality of UFOs. This is in 2005. And the group that he was in at the time ultimately decided against disclosure in 2005. So they talked to him about why that was. I thought this is pretty interesting. Here, check this out. Now, along the way,

something that gave request was that I was contacted by a CEO of a think tank in Washington, D.C. This is back a couple of decades ago. He says, I want you to come and participate in the context here in Washington. I said, well, frankly, I'm too busy what it's about. He says, I can't tell you what it's about. But if you come and you participate, you will consider it later to be a lot. later to be one of the most important conferences you ever with him.

Well, since I had respect for him and doing his background and many things he's done, I did finally decide to come to this conference. And when I arrived, there were about, I know, 15, 20 people. I recognized some of them from the military, from CIA, the CIA, some businessmen, and so on. so on. So I thought, well, this is quite an interesting group of people. And so to start the conference off, he said, this conference is about disclosing something to the American public. As a startup position, let's assume that there have been crash retrievals by Russia, China, and the United States. and the question is, can we bring this out to the public? And so I think I, and most of the people I knew,

I mean, talked to them later, said, oh, this is really cool. I mean, this can really go someplace. So he said, okay, the strategy we're going to use is we're going to make a list of all the areas that you think would be affected by this. And then on each one, we're going to have to grade of the scale from plus nine to minus nine as to the level of impact and whether it's positive or negative okay so we started out by making lists so we started out

with the obvious things well I mean the stock market religions well certainly politics would be a bit so we made a long list and it was really a long list and the time we got down to the bottom of this we were really in the weeds like okay If Corporation A has access to retreat materials, that Corporation B doesn't, then when this comes out, Corporation B has got to sue Corporation A and the suit the government. This is really, it would be a tough thing to kind of handle. Okay, okay. So anyway, we broke up in the groups.

He's taking a certain number of the things that were in our list. And in my group, we added up the numbers. plus 9 to minus 9. And we ended up in the negative category, even though we were kind of positively disposed to the idea. So I thought, well, maybe that just has to do with the particular lists that we got. So then I talked to other people that were on other lists

and said, you know, we came to a negative number also. Well, make a long story short, it turned out that everybody going through these lists, There's a very sophisticated situation with complex computers and big screens and all that kind of stuff. It finally came down to the fact that the problem was there's so many areas to handle, and there was no way to handle them all at the same time. And so the final result was, therefore, I believe you should, we're going to recommend that we'd going to go forward to this.

And so those of us who were participating in this, we're pretty disappointed thinking, you know, you started thinking that, you know, this is a good thing to do. Okay, so, I mean, that's like, you know, the fact that they 20 years ago had the whose food inside the government, like this is actually CIA and all these, it doesn't that,

doesn't that say anything to people? Why would this guy say that? Like, why would he say that? Why would he just make up this story of like, yeah, I don't want to tell people, I'm going to tell people that there was actually a disclosure thing, that all these people were around, and then we decided not to do it because of all, this is like credible stuff people believe.

Like, what, for the pessimists watching, this is a question I'm, I'm legit asking, the pessimist that's watching, or the skeptic that's watching, what do you, what's, what's the, what's the end game to someone like Hal put off making up an event like 2005 to say, and then don't, but Please don't answer it with. He wants to sell books. That's the worst thing I ever heard at a conference like this to sell books. I mean, come on, come on. But why?

Why do you think someone, like, at his stature, would say this? I don't even know if he wrote a book, by the way. But, Riley, you hear this, that this was in 2005, there was this conference to say, hey, maybe we do this. And then the things that we've talked about, the thing that Rogan and. Grush talked about was the fact that, well, wait a minute, you guys have, if I'm company B, you guys have had this, we didn't get a chance to bid on it, we didn't have a chance to work on it, and you guys have been hiding this from us, I'm going to sue you. So there's that. There's that, there's that, the stock market, there's religion, there's all these different things

that we've been talking about that was brought up at this conference. What did you think about those comments made by put off? Yeah, I mean, it just, it just reinforces a lot of my previous points, but it's just like, you know, one again, you just asked it, like, what is the point? Why would they do this? Why would they, you know, go on record, so to speak, and not to sell books or anything? This, this, even back then, when you think 2005, such a different world than we live in now. I mean, social media wasn't even really there. Right.

And so, you know, I just, it just confirms that this is just, this has been going on for so long, we can go, oh yeah, it's been going on since, you know, the 50s. Well, I mean, in the age that we live in right now, the 2000s now, and we're in the 2020s, you know, it's even going on then. there's nothing these things these statements can ruin their life and it begs the question over and over again why would they

then come out and say it because that just doesn't make sense to me and if again if you say do they want to sell a book that their life will be better if they sell books because they have money yeah credibility is out the window they're looked at as cooks

and he's been involved in it so long but but But the actual comments themselves, though, what did you think about the fact, you know, the conference and the fact that they decided against disclosure at that point? And what do you think is different now? Yeah, well, I think it's because they knew that they weren't, that we weren't there yet. Yeah. There wasn't the grush. Yeah, there wasn't the grush of it all. There wasn't like this.

There wasn't right, right, right. There wasn't, you know, not social media. I'm not going to say that. Technology, I want to say, is that it's very different now. even from 2005 until now. Perhaps, and I don't know, this is just speculation, you know, it was brought up before, like, you know, that there is credible, not only witnesses, but that, you know, there are sensors and there are data. You showed me that great video with Cuomo interviewing Ryan Graves, who says, like, you know, we literally have radar and radars that can target a window. of a small hut from, you know, a million miles away kind of thing.

So we rely on that radar for our very life, you know, because we're flying around and we know that this is over here and this is over here from that radar. So when something goes wonky on there and we see something on there, a UAP on there, that's real. That is real to us because it's as real as the guy, my best friend, flying next to me in an F-14, right? Maybe the technology wasn't there. So they couldn't really back it up as much as they would want. Maybe that, you know, there's, I would say, probably zero help in the Senate, in our government. Right. Because we weren't there yet.

We were there when it comes, I think if they said peep, there would be the, you know, you've said many times, Christian. It's like the, the, not debunkers, but the misinformation is more. powerful than the real information, right? They would be swallowed whole by just whatever. And they do, they do not have a New York Times article behind it. They don't have that video that was released. They don't have Grush. Like you said, I think there's a million reasons why. I think they just didn't have that confidence in going forward because there would be too many nayser, too many skeptics, too many, you know, men in black suits. Well, I think they were the men in black suits at that point.

Yeah, probably. I think more so what you're talking about, though, with the, with the, they didn't have the kind of momentum that they have right now for sure. But I also think that there's, yeah, it was social media, another way that things are out there. I mean, even look at the Super Bowl. Look at the Super Bowl. There was like four alien-based commercials.

I know. And they were like, and the one that. And the one that was actually, I thought, the most powerful one, was the Scorsese one. Scorsese. Yeah. Because, well, because he actually used stuff from the hearings. He used stuff from, like, things that were going on. And I don't think that's a coincidence.

And I also think that, you know, Scorsese and Spielberg run and they're tight. Spielberg is very much an advocate for all this stuff and worked with people like Heineck and, and Jacques Valet on a close encounter. So this is. I think that there is a lot of merit to what you're saying, but also in terms to the government and what the government does and doesn't want you to know as far as disclosure goes, this was another one, and I'm telling you, this conference was just full of gold.

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The Hill's doing it right. We've got some good work with the House. I just was approached by Representative Luna. She is interested in having another field hearing, this time on USOs under CUAP. So we'll see where we go with that. And that's good. So there's action being taken,

and Carl, I'm looking forward to your presentation about the Schumer amendment. But what about the executive branch? This is where things aren't going well. You have this big disconnect between what the House, the story David told, and of course the Aero Office under Dr. Kirkpatrick. Why is that? And it's not complicated.

Sean can't do and say things without clearance from the SEC DEF and above him the National Security Council in the White House and likely DNI. And everybody who's worked with the government in this room, there's many, they know how this works. And that's this, this White House does not want to disclose. That's their policy. And Sean is merely following that suit. Now, so, and the same is going on with NASA.

If anybody saw that, the live meeting, yeah, what do you want to call that? There was nothing. There was zero data. There wasn't one example. At least Sean showed that Mosul orb. But, yeah, and this was such a non-event. And it's for the same reason. They get their orders from the White House.

That's how it works. And so the policy currently today is nondisclosure. And the two bodies we care about are the Office of Science and Technology Policy, the National Security Council, and probably others going forward. So here are my recommendations for you, Gary, and Peter. And first off, I just want to say that your idea for Seoul to be a holistic approach combining hard science and the humanities is just brilliant. give these two leaders a big round of a part.

All right, that's super important because it's also confusing, right? Because as he says, the White House doesn't want disclosure, well, then why the hell is Schumer out there talking about this stuff? You know, if the White House doesn't want it, isn't he, wouldn't Biden be like, cut that out. Stop that. You know, that's what I don't really understand. And I'm sure there's an answer to that question. I just don't know what it is.

Yeah, yeah. And I also think that clip really much pretty much answers your question earlier about 2005 and why, you know, they didn't move forward because of, you know, the government red tape. As far as the White House, I think that, you know, earlier it was said, it's like the president has the sole authority in making the, you know, going out in front of everybody and saying, here we go. Right. So I think that, you know, maybe behind closed doors, Biden is saying, Schumer. What are you doing, man? You know, we don't know that yet. I think that it's because what I really like about Schumer and rounds and all these guys that are working together, the bipartisanness of it, they think that's the word, is that they're working together

to get to the White House, right? To get like they're rattling in the cage. They're going, listen, because they believe in it. All the people that we've mentioned over the many shows, that we've had. You know, whether it's AOC and Rubio and Gates even and then Schumer and all these people that are that are coming together unified to get some answers is very, it's, it's very promising, at least from my viewpoint. And I think that it's because of those, that entity, it's that they're trying to get to the White House. They are trying to make this happen because there is this is what our government is supposed to do. Right.

They're supposed to work together, you know, three separate, you know, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and then the executives, the branch with the President of the United States. You know, the House, the Senate passes it, goes to the President, signs it off, right? That's what's supposed to happen. This is part of that process. Right. I mean, yeah, I think you're right. And I think that, again, they mentioned the freaking Schumer thing here in November,

how important that thing was. It's really important. They keep bringing it up. They keep bringing them in every single thing. So now, Gary Nolan, obviously, there were more people who spoke, and with a lot of very relevant things to say. Gary Nolan spoke on actual things that were retrieved. And I recommend going over there and listening to Gary's whole thing.

The reason I'm the clip that I have is over like seven minutes long. So I'm not going to play that whole thing. but he just talked about a lot of different, I mean, just the Soul Foundation in general, so I would just recommend going over there and checking that video out, but they closed out the entire thing with Grush, and Grush, like, Skyped in.

But this is a particular clip of what he talked about that I thought was very important, and we'll kind of end our coverage on this with his thing, and here's the little tidbit from Grush. And again, big props to, at the UFO Joe, who broke down all these clips wonderfully. All right, here it is. The integration of this kind of technology

into our scientific knowledge could propel us to the future with unprecedented innovation, shaping industries, improving our quality of life. It's not just about knowing, it's about the potential to revolutionize our understanding of physics, biology, and chemistry, and other foundational sciences. Releasing this information, in a controlled, planned manner, such as Carl Nell has discussed during the conference,

as with the Schumer Amendment, has profound implications on our philosophical and spiritual perspectives. The acknowledgement of otherworldly intelligences, challenges our very concept of existence, encouraging us to reconsider our place in the grand tapestry of the universe. It's an important and profound introspection and a catalyst for a new era of spiritual awakening. In conclusion, this movement ignited in December 2017 with Leslie and Ralph's famous article in New York Times is not merely a matter of government transparency. It's a paradigm shift that holds the power to reshape our world. By embracing the unknown, we open ourselves to a future where truth, unity, and technological advancements, and a deeper understanding of our existence converge.

Let us advocate for transparency, not for ourselves, but for the generations to come as we embark on a journey toward a more enlightened and interconnected world. All right. So when you get that, I mean, you get, you get pretty much every reason why David Grush is doing what he's doing. He sums it up in that two-minute clip. And I think what he said that was fascinating also, right, is the fact that there are so many scientists that aren't working on this stuff, that don't know about this stuff. There's like, and the answer is probably not. But what if the people that they chose to work, you know, the Lockheed Martin's. or whoever it is that's actually working on these things, the scientists that they recruited and stuff too that are looking at these things, the people that they hired. What if they aren't the best? What if they aren't the best?

What if they thought they were the best, but they actually weren't the best? What if the best has no clue and thinks that this is all taboo stuff? And the best, he or she is sitting out there and going, yeah, those things don't really exist. And then, guess what, it does. And the president just announced it

and we're putting together a team of all these different people. And the amount of people that start to work on it can further the understanding on it and can further civilization. And that's what Grush is saying, right? Can further the medicine involved, the technology involved. Humans in general can be just benefited from this. And yet we're not doing it. And that's one of the things disclosure can happen.

And the other thing he said at the end was for future generations and things that, like, because what if whatever is disclosed can just change the world like that. And whether it's peace, that was a decent snap, peace, whether it, you know, just changed, like the oil industry is probably another reason they were like, oh, no, please don't. Because what kind of energy are we working with? Right, right. You know what I mean? Can it benefit the planet? Can it benefit the way that we travel? Can it benefit these other things? Like, like, that's the type of stuff that the world will change, like, dramatically and why it, for future generations. So that's why I thought Rush's speech at the end was pretty pretty monumental. It really was

and it was beautiful. It really is, and the thing that to sum up what even you said, I mean, he propels us into the future. You know? And something interesting you said, you know, it's like, yeah, the fossil fuel industry probably doesn't want this to

advance us anymore. You know, they're already having a problem with these electric cars driving around. You'd think that you know, the Tic Tac stopped at Chevron to fill up and then flew off. into and got picked up by the jets and the radar no it's because they're they're moving on something that we don't even know you know that that's been said in some of these videos you know they're doing you know g-force that would just just crush any man-made metal or or substance that that that our crafts

are made out of you know Gary Nolan it went up there and he's he's talking about pieces found right and then breaking it down the science of it you know where he mentions like isotopes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everybody goes, oh, oh, no, no, not like that. But they put, there's literal science of like pieces that they found that Gary Nolan is saying in one of these videos. And it's like they put it through. And they see that these molecules, and I'm paraphrasing, of course, are not matching up.

And he goes, that's man made, or not manmade, but that's, that was engineered. You know, and so it's like we can't even classify this. because it's like you have, you know, when it was first found, they're like, oh, it's all magnesium. And it's like, so they run it through. And it's like, no, there's like a molecule here and a molecule here. And the way it's put, and again, I'm not no scientist, but I'm listening to this going and getting the cliff notes of it. And it is, this was engineered. This doesn't match up to anything that we know of, science or otherwise.

And then you take what Grush says, propel us into the future. You take what you said just now, Christian. Like what it can do for us. Is it technology that can advance us? Is it, you know, is it going to make a better life because there's something that will sustain us energy-wise where we don't have to pay DWP $800 every three months because we ran our air conditioning during the summer? You know, it's that kind of stuff like the little people, like us, like, and I mean that. It's like, it's summer in L.A. I live in the valley and it's hot as F.

You know what I mean? and we run that air conditioning and we get that bill. And it's like, oh, and it hurts. And it sets us back with savings or whatnot. Like what kind of technology can be forward? And then more so that I got more than anything that Grush said is that we live in such a time right now that it's like if you're a Republican, you're supposed to hate the Democrats and the Democrats supposed to hate the Republicans and they're killing bills that can really help all of us because, you know, A leader, one of the presidential candidates says, no, don't do this on both sides, I might add. You know, it's just, it is so disheartening to see that we as a government and the people cannot work together anymore.

It just feels so daunting to try to get on the same page. And yet, you look over here with UAP stuff and you have bipartisan people working together. Can this unify us? Yeah, and that's the ultimate question. will it always will it stay that way because in any anything you wonder if it would get politicized or whether it would get you know they try to monetize it in a certain way or whatever they might do that's a huge concern but but but but it is a matter of what is and that will ultimately happen in a post-disclosure world because it's like okay we have this

technology I mean what is an infinite let's stuff that we can use is it like what is it like that's that's the whole thing I mean there's some people that also say that that that these things are already benefited from, and cameras are benefited from some of the stuff that we recovered. Now, take that as you will. I have no idea, but that's just some of the stuff that people have talked about. But either way, look, that was a lot. That was a lot. And to be honest, we didn't even cover all the speakers. There was so many, we could have covered it for like six hours, but that's, that's the stuff that we really, they were just popped out so much. You guys could have a field day and go and watch all them. I highly recommend that you.

do to be educated on it, go in there and check it out. Not done yet, though, because I want to show you guys this. You guys heard a lot about the name, and we've set it on this show a bunch of times, and you've heard it in a few of the presentations there, and that's Sean Kirkpatrick, right? So I don't know what to make of this. This is from the express.com. I don't know what to make of this. And it says classified alien documents set to be released, including videos by the ex-Pentagon

chief. Now, this is a complete 180 of what everything that we've heard from Sean Patrick Patrick recently. And it says, Sean Kirkpatrick has demanded the release of classified documents citing a lack of transparency surrounding UFO sightings. What? Huh? Right.

I'm so confused. So the former- The former director of the U.S. Department of Defense's UFO Task Force has come forward with allegations of being. muzzled from divulging crucial information regarding extraterrestrial life. Sean Carpatrick has demanded the release of classified documents, citing a lack of transparency surrounding UAPs. During his tenure as the head of the UFO task force, Carpatrick expressed frustration at being restrained from sharing significant findings with the public.

He emphasized that despite possessing evidence, supporting his discoveries, the Pentagon officials impeded his efforts to disclose the truth. he said there was a very strong concern to engage in the public discourse as often as I thought we needed to. The fact that the Pentagon can't figure out how to get at that message without concern for spillage into other areas has been a frustrating point. The physicist asserted that his department faced obstacles in communicating vital information about enigmatic aircraft, leading to a concerning lack of clarity in the government's approach to investigating UFO sightings. Kirkpatrick voiced concerns that the government's reticence could fuel speculation among conspirators. theorists potentially legitimizing unfounded claims about ET encounters. He emphasized the importance of transparent communication to counteract the proliferation of

unverified narratives. He said if there is a void in the information space, it will be filled with the imagination of the public. Furthermore, Capatrick alleged that he faced censorship during press conferences, preventing him from disclosing his team's discoveries. However, the Pentagon has refuted these claims, asserting that Capatrick was always permitted to communicate his findings. I'm so confused.

I'm so confused. Like, I don't, that's the only article on that that I could find. That's not to say that it's not a real thing. But that's the only article I can find on that. Please send it over to me if there's, if there's more, if you guys find that. But like, this is this. And again, how is this?

And in this, I'll say, how is this not a bigger story? And I'm not talking about just with, you know, the CNN article that wrote about backing up all his claims. Where's that? Refute to that. That's part one. Part two is where's everybody inside of this community not talking about this? I get it. Everybody's talking about the Soul Foundation videos right now,

but this is major. If he turned around and he goes, hey, guys, I wanted to tell you the truth, but they told me not to. That's what this article is. Is this article real? I looked, it's not April Fool's Day yet. So I don't know. I don't know if this is real. I have no idea.

Yeah, I'm as confused as you are. It is a complete 180. It makes zero sense after some of the things he's come out and said just last week, or maybe in the past few, excuse me, few weeks. You know, you brought up that CNN article. There's an opinion piece, CNN article where they quoted Kirkpatrick saying that, you know, oh, no, there's nothing. For my, you know, it's human all the way down. And then commenting on some of these things that we've seen and especially like balloons or saying, well, that's what it was. Sometimes they get away from you.

You know what I mean? And it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. So now you're saying there is? I just. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Was there such a backlash? No, dude, because I looked.

I looked. I just looked up. I can't find anyone else reporting that. I can't find anyone else that actually has the comments from him at all. I, I, that's one article. I need to see more articles before I believe that. Okay. Yeah.

I just, I, it's just so strange. Same. Like a week later. And it's more strange that people inside of this community aren't covering it like all over the place. Like that's, that's, that's what's weird to me. So I don't know how legit it is. All right. So finally, finally, Pavel, our good buddy Pavel had the opportunity to interview Nick

Cook. Again, Nick Cook is a best-selling author, and he's an award-winning journalist, and he wrote one of the most important books about the search for anti-gravity propulsion. And, yeah, he was the aerospace editor for Jane's Defense Weekly, which is one of the biggest defense in aerospace publications in the world. So Nick is writing the light beyond the mountains, and he's dropping it episodically on substack. So he's got direct contact with some of the biggest names in the UFO disclosure effort,

such as Hal Putoff and Ron. Colthardt. So Pavel, I'm going to put a link to the actual the full interview, but I'm going to play a portion of it right now. And this is him actually talking about David Grush. And he's talking about his claims from his own perspective as a well-connected journalist. So here is his opinions overall. This is from Nick Cook and our buddy Pavel.

All right, here is the interview clip with Pavel and Nick Cook. Here you go. All right. Moving on, I wanted to ask you from your perspective as a former defense journalist and with your connections, what do you make of David Grush's claims? This is mostly for the people that are the big thing that are going to be listening. So I would like your opinion on everything that's happened and what he said and based on the people you are connected with. Do you think he's legit? Do you think? I do though, but I want to know your opinion.

I've not met Dave Grush. I know plenty of people who have. And they are people that I respect. And they say that he is on the money. This is a guy who is, who held a very high position in the DIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency. and previously, I believe, in the National Reconnaissance Office. So these are very serious secretive, well, the NRO is a secretive organization.

And they swear by the sincerity of Dave Grush. And I think that there's little doubt or no doubt, that he held the positions he's claimed to have held within the Pentagon that had oversights, oversight of the UAP phenomenon. So whilst to many people his claims would seem outlandish, I think given the sort of the general direction of the UAP investigation that has been undertaken by Congress on Capitol Hill

over the last year and a half or so, I think we can safely say that Congress itself would have flushed David Grush out as not being genuine if he wasn't genuine. And to the best of my knowledge, that has not been the case. People are impressed by the evidence that he's given. He has encountered, of course, great difficulty in presenting evidence because a lot of it was highly classified in secret. So there are protocols around giving evidence that I not. know or I hear, he's been frustrated by. For example, he has to give a lot of his evidence in what's

called a skiff, which is a secure compartmented installation. It is shielded from electromagnetic energy so that no one can listen in on whatever's being said. And that has been quite a hard thing for him to do. So I think that his claims are interesting and deserve to be taken seriously. Okay. And I'm going to ask you two points at once because I think they're connected. I've been getting up to speed on all the literature, yours included, and a lot of great investigators such as Jack Ballet or Dr. Michael Masters. there are so many hypotheses on what the phenomenon is. And people, I think that it's important for people who are not on this to realize how many decades of investigation and work, hard work, have been put on investigating what the phenomenon is.

Out of every hypothesis that you've come across, which one is the one that convinces you the most? or maybe not just one, maybe two or three, or what's, where do you stand on what the phenomenon actually is? Well, of course, I'll preface this with, I don't know. Yeah. But we can speculate. And I always say, you know, when talking about this, Pavel, that I reserve the right to change my mind. Because, you know, this is a very fluid. fluid field and new evidence is presented all the time, which I think should make anyone

who is seriously interested in the subject give pause for thought. And if you stick a stake in the ground and say, this is my view, I'm not going to change my view when you are discussing the phenomenon. I think you're going to be in all kinds of trouble because I think the phenomenon itself is inviting us to be curious and in our curiosity to not to hold too rigid a view about it. Because every time I've seen someone hold a rigid view, it's been confounded. So my view is that there is no one phenomenon. It is a multifarious phenomenon. It has many faces.

And whilst, you know, it has been through different phases, there is sort of, there is the man-made aspect. You know, could it be heavily classified technology? Could it be, these are beings from other planets? who are visiting us in, you know, faster than light vehicles to get here? Or is it something that is resident here on earth? Is it a combination of all of these things? I mean, the answer to these questions for me is yes.

It's probably all of the above. The one, though, that I find the most interesting is the one that has sort of become more prominent over the last few years, which is that we are dealing with a non-human intelligence or multiple forms of non-human intelligence that somehow manifest in our reality

from time to time as UFO or UAP phenomena. So thank you to Pavelle once again for providing that. You can watch the full interview with Nick Cook. I put the link in the description there. but it just doesn't stop blowing your mind. I mean, this is, again, this is... I love that. It's a great answer, and it's like,

I think it was a really good answer. It's like, what, it could be any of these things. You know, we have our idea. I think that, I mean, I think you and I are on the same page. To me, it makes more sense of the last thing that Nick said, of being in our realm and always being in our realm, but able to maneuver and manipulate things that we just don't understand how to do that in time and space and being able to bend time and space.

That to me makes the most sense more so than bouncing back and forth and light speed to other planets, but who knows? But I love his answer. I thought his answer was great. I thought his answer was fantastic. I love his answer on Grush, too, by the way. I love his answer on Grush. Uh-huh.

Yeah, all of it. He just is such a, you know, really interesting guy. And Pavel sent me the gift of some of his work that I'm reading. and it's just, he's just fascinating. And I like the, like the answer of all of the above. Yeah. It could be, you know, I think in certain cases, it could be manmade, uh, drone or, you know, you know, something that that might not be completely friendly, i.e. maybe, you know,

spy balloons, China. Right. Um, you know, or it's manifesting into our reality. Um, something that, uh, you know, it made me start thinking just. create almost creatively you know which is which is not something that holds any merit or science based but it's just like when you start to consider all the information that we've been just taking in over the past year almost you know that some of these things are around nuclear sites that they are admitting radioactive kind of things and that um you know they're

are they coming from the sea you know are these things are these things like, you know, reacting to the human race and they've been here all along? I, you know, it's, it's just fascinating stuff to consider all the possibilities. I wonder if that's the type of stuff if we are ever in a place where it's a post-disclosure world, if we know any of those answers. I really, I really do. I'll be honest, we have, there's, there's so much more that we could talk about today. It's just we're already almost like a two hours and there shows you'll be about an hour. So, um, yeah, this is. is a super stacked episode. I want to see comments out the wazoo here, guys. I want all of the,

I want all of the thoughts. I want all the thoughts. What are the thoughts on the stuff that we played. I want stuff on the conference. I want stuff on whether you not think that disclosure is coming. Do you think it is a pipe dream? Put it all in there. What do you think about the Sean Kirkpatrick stuff? Is that legit? What do you think about the stuff? Nick Cook said. I mean, there's so much that we covered here today. And we're not done because next week we got Steve Bassett on. And that's another one. That's another kind of supersized episode. He is the executive director at the Paradigm Institute, and he is also the first registered UFO lobbyist.

And he's a UFO disclosure advocate, and he is very well informed in all this stuff. And the interview is fascinating. So we'll play that for you guys next week. But Mark, man, we did it. What do you got? Where can people find you? Well, you can find me. on the internet for now before I head off into space at Riley around R-E-I-L-L-Y-A-R-E-L-Y

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