The Kristian Harloff Show - Zack Snyder says his Rebel Moon was based off a Star Wars Rated R idea he had in 2012.

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

Join the website! http://www.thekristianharloff.com Zack Snyder pitched a Star Wars movie back in 2012 that was Rated R, not attached to any legacy characters. It was rejected by Lucasfilm but ultimately accepted by Netflix as an original Sci Fi movie, Rebel Moon. Snyder discussed that process. Speaking of Indiana Jones, we discuss the summer failures of June and why that was. July is up next, Mike and Kristian saw Mission Impossible. They give their non spoiler thoughts on the film. This and more on today's episode of the Bog thing with Kristian, Steph and Mike

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What's going on, everybody? Happy Wednesday. Welcome back. Hope you had a good July 4th, man. We had some fun over here. Hope you had some fun wherever you are in the world. I didn't celebrate your silly holiday. Well, that's fine.

I hope you had a good July 4 part of the month. How about that? Never expected me to say that, did you? Lots to talk about today. Not as much Star Wars stuff. Normally on the Wednesday show, we cover a lot of Star Wars things, but there are some Star Wars news. As you know, Zach Snyder has a new movie coming out,

new science fiction movie for Netflix and he talked about how he pitched this whole thing as a Star Wars movie over 10 years ago and that's about when the rumors were out that he was looked they were looking to get him for Star Wars so we'll talk about that there's some stuff there's an editorial that Star Wars Newsnet did on Amelia Clark and how she could potentially show up in outlaws her character could show up in outlaws the video game we'll discuss that there's some stuff with skeleton crew but then we're going to flip into other movie news And I guess it's relevant to Star Wars. And I know people are like,

oh, you guys always talk about Kathleen Kennedy. But the question is, after Indiana Jones and the failure of the movie, as far as box office goes, what's next? How can she, if Bob Eager does decide we're going to keep her around for a little bit more, how does she come back? Can she come back? Is there any way to come back from this? Mission Impossible.

we're going to talk about that. The review embargo has lifted. My review is probably up at this point, but Mike and I both saw it together, so we'll talk a little about that. We'll do non-spoiler, not only for you guys, but because Steph's on the panel, and she hasn't seen it yet,

so we don't want to be dicks. Well, Mike would be, if I didn't tell them not to be. But other than that, there's a few other stories that we'll touch on. But if you're able to, guys, head on over to that website, man. Caps and Cowles, issue number one,

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It's Mike. It's Steph. It's the big thing. I'm ready. You're ready. Let's do it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back.

Big thing. Me. Steph. Hi. Michael Kalanowski. We are here, everybody. We're back together again. Nice to have us all back together again.

Yes, it is. Yes, it is. How was your fourth? Steph? It was good. The old paparoo turned 65. Okay. So he reminded everyone that he is now working for free.

He has a government job. I like that. Hey. He's actually paying, I think, $1,000 a month because of Social Security or something like that. I'm like, okay, cool. He's paying $1,000 a month? Well, if you think about it, because you give your Social Security monthly from your income. Yeah.

Right. So he's basically paying to work. Do you get it? No, Mike does not. I don't get it. I thought when you retired 65, then you get more work. It's okay. It's old people news.

But anyways, he's a legend. He is a legend. He is. He really is. Well, and how about you? How was your Beach Boy concert? I didn't go. What?

all right, are we going to talk about this? Yeah, it's going to make me upset. No, I had to work. Shannon, so I was, because it's theme park and that's when I worked. But I was going to come too. Well, that last night? Yeah, but then I looked and I went to click on the Evite

and it said, you're not invited to this. I'm like, oh. That's not true. I think because maybe Shannon declined, it just declined me. Well, no, my wife. I had to stay with the dogs. We had to stay with the dogs. So she's like, what time you're off work?

I'm like. You can brought the dogs. We went and we watched 4th July. It would have been a lot. A-holes. Well, we went, we went, some people were, what the hell are they're talking about? I had a little barbecue at my place.

We had some people over and hanging out. And, yeah, it was, it was good. What we did, though, for the Evite is we went through it. And if I got verbal confirmation of people like they couldn't go, Sadie and I were going through it, and she's like, well, are they coming? I think, no. So we just deleted you off the thing. Yeah, that's where I went to see the invite last night.

And I was just like, oh, I'm not invited anymore. I know. Because Shannon, I know. Yeah, but if you would have said to me, hey, I want to come by, I'm not going to say no. Right. Of course. Of course.

Yeah, you would have to be like, yeah, we don't have to be able to. I'm convinced, and I'll say this on air too, I'm convinced Brett's wife doesn't like us anymore. Really? Why not? What happens? I don't know. They were supposed to come and they're not here anymore. He's going.

He's going, no. He's like, don't think she likes me. Oh, what is it? It's the kids? Blame the kids. Why don't you? I'll get her on the phone, but I think, Brett and I talk about it on tomorrow show. I don't think, I don't think Brett's wife likes me anymore.

You want to talk about it? I don't like you anymore, but I still show up. Yeah, but that's a different circumstance. Eric Melgren was there too. Who? Eric Melgan? Yeah. Anyway, it has nothing to do with anybody.

Not at all. Let's talk about a few different things. Let's talk about the Zach Snyder thing first. Okay. All right, here we go. Zach Snyder in the news. Got Rebel Moon coming out. Mike, can you chew the pretzels directly into the microphone?

I don't run a break here. Quiet. All right. Here we go. Zach Snyder. You ever heard of him? I might have heard of him. Shut the fuck up.

Zach Snyder. upcoming two-part space opera epic, Rebel Moon, hits Netflix later this year and has famously been described as a result of a failed Star Wars film pitch from the Justice League Helmer. Snyder at the time, famous for his work for 300 Watchmen, and in post-production a Man of Steel reportedly pitched a Star Wars movie after Disney acquired Lucas Woman 2012 for $4.5 billion. In a new interview with Empire Magazine, Snyder spoke a bit about that Star Wars movie, possibility when he dubbed his original concept for what ultimately became rebel moon with no pre-existing characters and a potentially more challenging rating

Snyder knew it wasn't likely to sell Snyder says it was seven samurai in space I knew that the origins of George Lucas were a lot of those Corosawa films the sale of Lucas from the Disney had just happened there was that window where you know who knows what's possible I was like I don't want any of your characters I don't want to do anything with any known characters I just want to do my own thing on the side and originally I was like it should be rated R that was almost a non-starter I knew it was a big ass to be honest but the deep I got into it, I realized it was probably never going to be what I wanted. The eventual film that we are getting follows a young woman living in a peaceful colony on the

outskirts of the galaxy. She's given the task of finding warriors who can fend off an impending invasion by the despotic regent Balasarius. So you have Sophia Batala, Charlie Hunnam, Jamon Honsu, Ray Fisher, Dune Bay, Jenna Malone, Staznare, E. Duffy, and Michael Hussman, all co-star. The first of the two movies arrives on December 22nd. A lot in here. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. And I'll tell you, I really am excited that, I don't know, preface this by saying, hold on before people start going nuts. I'm excited you didn't get a Star Wars movie. Yeah, because of everything he just said. Because you know what he's also saying? He's very smart and knows, he pays attention to the media cycle, and he knows what social media is and everything too.

What are most people, what do you say all the time? What do people say all the time about Star Wars? Get away from the known characters. Get away from this thing. Go somewhere else. He knows that. I'm not saying he's lying. He's telling the truth.

But he knows like the stuff that I pitched back in the day is what people want. Anyway, I won't finish my point. Were you going to finish? I was planning on it. Say it. Don't finish what you're saying. No, it's okay.

Go ahead. No, I'm just saying. Yeah, sure. Like, you think about it. First of all, you know, I'm a Snyder supporter. Yeah, I am a fan boy. When people ask you, the actors, like, who would you want to work with? He's a director.

I would love to work with. someday. And if he pitched when they first got the, of course they're doing Lou Kahn. They were like, no, no, no, we need these characters. And if he came in with like, I don't want to use anything. I just want to tell my... In 2012, right. In 2012. Like, that's insane. And like, to know

what that's what we're saying now. We're like, come on away from the Skywalkers. A way to do this. So it's like, if he pitched that now, and maybe it wasn't R-rated, they'd go for it. If he came in with Lindelofh came in, with his idea. It's kind of gets to a larger conversation of the Indiana Jones and all that that stuff, too. Because I, from what

Snyder's kind of vision of what he wants to do as opposed to like what they want to do over there. Snyder likes to have a full control of his stories and I don't think he would get it over there. And I think he knows that. And because of all that stuff, I'm actually really excited about this because it is, even though it's based off of Star Wars idea that he had, it's an original IP. And it's what people have been talking about. It's an original idea in a world that we love. and it's on Netflix, right? So does this make you excited, less excited?

I mean, how do you feel about it? Well, the pitch is my dream Star Wars pitch essentially. I obviously love the samurai aspects that George Lucas pulled for the entire lore of Star Wars. But I am glad, like, what you guys are saying, that it's not in Star Wars, because I think it has to be done so well or else it's just like the last samurai where I'm like, hey, yeah, yeah. Like, it just doesn't work for me when it's not authentic. but I feel like Zach Snyder is the type of person that would do so much research into the genre and really nail it for someone in the States doing it. So I'm glad that he's not bogged down by the rules, right?

And no one wants to watch a samurai type movie or a warrior type movie where it can't be pretty kind of gory. At least, like, I don't think it needs to be rated R. I love that it's going to be rated R. but I think that with the rules of that, like you really want to see some like sick combat. Yeah, for sure. I mean, that's why like Arcane was so awesome. Right.

That's like those types of things. Did you watch Arcane, Mike? Nope. You'd love it. You'd like it. You would love it. That's the animated thing, right? Yeah.

It's really awesome. When does the next season drop? Not for a little bit. But it's really, it's really good. It's so good. Yeah, I just like everything about this works for me. Yeah. And I love the fact that in, and there will be the,

uh, just Zach Snyder doing Star Wars. Well, what I love about this is back when Lucas wanted to do Flash Gordon, and he couldn't, so he made Star Wars. Spielberg and Lucas wanted to do James Bond, and they couldn't, so they created Indiana Jones. So he couldn't do Star Wars, not that they said, you know, it just didn't work out. So he was taking that and creating his own IP. And I love him as a filmmaker and his style. I know that people don't like his style. So maybe they're like, well, if this story in the hands of a different director might have worked me more.

But like, I'm going to say something that never said. I'm bored for me, man. I'm going to say something I've never said to you. Oh, here we go. Fantastic point. Thank you. It was a, it was a really, it was a good point. because he is out there saying,

okay, if I can't do what I wanted to do with you guys, I have now established myself with, because this is 10 years later, and not only did he do all the DC movies, but as you know, he's got an army behind him. He does. Right? And so now he's got a very different, when he goes into Netflix,

he's not going in as 2012, hey, I made 300 guy. Yeah. He's going in as, look what I bring to the table even more than I did in 2012. And I want to do this thing. And you guys are able to make this happen. And I think that this makes a lot of sense. I'm really excited for it because of the original idea behind it and the fact that it does, that it is stemmed from Star Wars. I'm not going to be one of those people that looks and goes, this is just Star Wars.

Like, no, of course. Star Wars is Aene. Everything is everything. Everything is everything. It's like, it just depends on like, here's the difference. It's like Force Awakens when you watch it. And still, I enjoy it. But it is pretty much, there's just recycled ideas.

Right. There's a difference between recycled ideas. and taking things like Favre said. Fabra with inspiration. Yeah. Stuff that inspired Star Wars. So if he's using, if he's using an example as the Kurosawa stuff that inspired it as opposed to,

well, Star Wars inspired me. Like, it's hopeful. That's the original of what inspired Star Wars is the Kerasawa stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that I just watched extraction too. Yeah. I haven't seen it yet.

It's so good. It's so good. I love the Netflix movies. Like Old Guard, Adam Project. Which one was the old guy? With Charlize their own. I don't think I saw that. It's so good.

Gina Prince Bithwood directed at you. Oh, I didn't see it. It is. Yeah. So I just think Netflix is one of the only streaming services where their original movies are kind of these blockbuster-worthy movies. And I'm like, oh, I would have seen that in the theater. But it's really cool that I can see this in my house.

Well, it's also smart because they know there's certain movies now that just don't play in the theater anymore. I mean, look at June. And we can get it. I mean, shoot, we can just kind of go back and forth. The movie or the month? The month of June. after those movies no, it's fair.

But no, the month of June, so if we all sat together and we said we had, we might have very well had this conversation, if I said to you guys, all right, four or five movies that are coming out in June,

Elemental, Transformers, the Flash, Indiana Jones, did I say Transformers, right? Yeah, you did. Which one? So, you got four right there.

Mission. No, this is July. There was one other, oh, and Spider-Verse. Spider-Verse. Oh, yeah, Spider-Ber. Was that June? That was June.

Yeah, yeah, early June. So those five movies, if I was going to say, okay, rank in what you thought, who was going to, which ones were going to do the best overall? If I was to guess with you guys, you'd probably start with Spider-Verse. No, I would have said Flash. You would have said Flash. Just going off of the pre-hyp. Of the hype. Of the hype.

Okay, fair. Okay, so the Flash for both you guys, Spider-Verse probably second. I would have gone indie indie two. Okay, fine. But my point is, but my point is, Transformers is probably at the end of everybody's list. Right. Now, in reality. the way it's going to play is for as far as profit

and all this stuff. Flash will be number one. Transformers will be number two. Wait, profit you think Flash is going to make the most profit? Did I say? I didn't mean to say Flash. I'm sorry. Spiderverse. Yeah. Spider-Verse is going to be one of the bombs. Flash is the bombs of the summer. It'll be the bomb. No. So Spider-Verse is number one. Yeah. I see that. Then Elemental start and you kind of make a little bit here and there. Because more loving it.

Yeah. My wife and my kids are going to see it right now. I'm still going to wind up losing money, but it's making more money weekly as opposed to the other two. Flash is considered one of the biggest bumps so far. That's crazy. And indie

going to the point that we should kind of get into is this movie for a loan, like again all the conversations about Kathleen Kennedy and Disney, whoever greenlit it, whoever said we're going to make this movie for 300 million. They should have been kicked out of the room.

I don't... Kicked out of the room and I'm saying this is a massive indie fan. Fathom. What did the flash cost? About 2.20, 2.30, something like that. Maybe 250. Visual effects heavy. Right.

Every scene he's in, there's a visual effect. There's a lot of visual effects, dude. There's a lot of this. I know there is, but there doesn't need to be in an indie movie. I couldn't agree more. Let me ask you this, real quick. I thought about this with an indie. Let's say they didn't do Indy 5 yet, and they were going to talk to an indie five.

Would you ever think, and I always have a problem with Crystal Skull with this one, what if they said, you know what, we're going to make an indie film, but we're only going to use the technology that was available. in the 80s, meaning film quality, camera quality, audio quality to make it look and feel like those films. Can you imagine if they did that and what it would be like stunts? We're only going to be able to use the stunts and the technology that were visked in the 80s. I think that would have been such a... Or even make the effect look like it, right? Like I use, I use pray as an example. And I always say this. And I always say this. I understand. Pray was made for Hulu. I get it. Yeah. But scale it down. These movies. And for one of the, and I'm not spoiling anything. for Indiana Jones. The point that I've been trying to be that Mike and I talked about off camera, because

Steph hasn't seen it yet either. Indiana Jones, people are saying, like, for people who have, like, the problem with, like, the big swing that the movie takes, because I didn't love the ending, right? And people are, well, Indiana Jones has always taken big swings as far as mythology and mysticism. And I, that's that is not, right. That is

not my problem, because my problem is spending an obscene amount of money on a movie, like you said before, that doesn't need it in the ending, right? For my example is, Last Crusade. Raiders is still my favorite, but the Last Crusade

has one of the best endings and moments in movies. He's hopping around on on, you know, Jehovah. And he's finally, he's got to do these puzzle pieces that are clever.

Not that much money to shoot. Maybe they're on a side stage with some sets. It's the cleverness of it, right? And then he walks into a room with a night that's been there for what, thousand years, hundreds of years,

whatever the hell. He's been there for a while. Yeah. and it's just an actor in a thing but the music of John Williams and the idea behind it you're like oh you don't need throw in 50 and this time have a whole bunch of like CGI creatures come out and then it's not what happened I'm just saying in general and then he's and the night has to fight him off and then India's got to fight him too and then they start talking it's like no and not to not I'm not spoiling anything for you step I mean almost every episode of the young

and Nea Jones Chronicles did something similar. You know, situation, this and that, what not. It's like, kind of did it, you know, and made it not $300 million. Well, that's what I mean. So it's like, it's like, it's just, but so the amount of money to be placed in that, it's like this. Yeah, and it's movies, I think not even with Lucas film and not only with, like, I think the whole business right now and I've sent us, people are going to get tired of me

saying and I'm not going to stop saying it. the budgets on these movies are way too much money. Like I understand when endgame needs to be $300 million. I get it. It's earned it. Yeah. The Flash did not earn a $250 million budget. Indiana Jones clearly did not earn it. So those movies that we mentioned, Steph, why do you think that June was such?

Because we thought June was going to be huge for box office. And it turns out to be one of the more disappointing months. Why do you think that is? I really don't know. I think that people are just changing the way they view movies. And I think to go to the theater, you need an existential pull to go.

Whether it's your favorite franchise or whether it's a movie that has your favorite actor or your favorite director, I don't think people are going in the same way, which is sad, to just go. Right. Oh, Friday night, let's go to the movies. What's showing?

It's like, no one's asking that, at least in my circles. It's more like, oh, cross spider verse is coming out. Like, we got to see this one. And your circles are still in California. Yeah, right. So imagine. Someone in the middle of, like, Idaho.

Yeah. They don't know. My parents aren't going to the theater. The only time we do is the Christmas movie. We'll see a movie. You pick one. And you pick one. We pick one.

So, like, last year's Avatar. Right. And that's all, and with Lord of the Rings growing up. There's always the Star Wars then. And so we don't, and then other than that, it's like kind of hard to get the family to theater. I mean, it's also expensive now, too. Like for families to go see.

So it's like if you have all those, you've got one movie to choose, it looked like most people chose Spider-Verse, right? Because Transformers, as we were talking about it beforehand, too, like I was more excited about Transformers once I heard Stephen Cable Jr. was doing it, as opposed to Michael Bay. Like, and I still, there's, you know,

it's kind of an empty movie, but I still enjoy watching it, right? The most recent one. And it had a better human story than I think the majority of the Michael Bay ones. Yeah. But it wasn't as good as Bumblebee. It wasn't good.

But it's still, it's making, it's making money. But even that movie costs like $200 million to make. I get that. I mean, I would have gotten that in 2010. But Bumblebee didn't make hand over fist. Yeah, you shouldn't. No, your diminishing returns here should not escalate your budget down. That one's harder to do because the CGI alone with the Transformers and everything.

Shave 20 minutes off the movie. Bring the budgets down because it is so hard for people to say, okay, because now when you make a $200, $300, $300 million movie, you've got to make like $700, $600, $600 to break even. Right. And close to it, right? And it's insanity. Like I can't imagine, because the other thing with Indiana Jones is,

when was the first time you watched Indiana Jones? This year. Right. You and I, we grew up on it, right? Our age bracket and our parents grew up on it. Our parents and people, like, maybe some of them going out to the theater. Yeah. But for the most part, the majority of the film

going audience is like 18 to like 28 Yeah it's interesting I just being on the Twitter verse and whatnot And I've noticed that with the nostalgia that Of Indy coming back and And Keaton coming back and they're just A majority of audiences didn't care

No And they I think the studios Overestimated that like They're doing the same thing I heard so many people say If Christian Bale was in instead of Michael Keaton I would have been there 100% And I'm just like what?

I don't believe that, but, but I also see the disconnect where people are like, I don't care. Like, I'm not going to see it. It doesn't do anything for me. Whereas for me, that made the movie for me. Well, I was, I brought this point up to like my, the other day, my, I asked when I went to New York to do the show, I asked a few different people, I asked the audience, if anybody, if anybody in the audience is 130 people. Yeah. If anybody didn't see the flash because of Ezra Miller, two people clapped. I knew a couple people online. Right. But, right. But I said, well, the majority of people just weren't interested, didn't care about the superhero stuff anymore. Guns announcement of the DC stuff. It's all done.

So what was interesting, then I then asked three people. I asked my uncle, who is like almost 60. I asked my friend James, who's in my age bracket. And then I asked my cousin Ryan, who's like 24. They all had, well, James and my uncle had the same kind of answer. It was, I don't give a shit about superheroes right now. There's too many of them. I don't really care what's going on.

Michael Keaton thing almost got me in there, but I'll wait. I know it's going to be on Mac soon. I can watch it whenever. So they didn't, not enough to get them out of the house. My cousin pays attention to TikTok, pays attention to these things. It's like,

James Gunn just announced all this stuff with DC and like the Superman movie's coming out and I don't know if it connects. It's like, what's the investment at all? So it was a huge. Yeah, it was huge. And I think so overall, that's interesting.

Yeah, it's very interesting. Oh, I have to address this. I told myself that I would. I saw this. stupidest comment yesterday. This would be good. Did I write it? No. Okay. But no, you wouldn't have wrote this because it was so dumb because we've been, we've been covering, um, nice.

On capes and cows, we've talked about the Jonathan Major situation, maybe a, a billion times. Right. Because we don't know yet. There's still going to trial. It's like a tennis match that thing. We don't know yet. So you can't, and that's why we've made it very clear that you can't, like, why he hasn't been fired.

He's been fired from other jobs yet because they're just like, let's just distance ourselves until we find out what's going on. But as far as Marvel, Marvel hasn't gotten rid of him yet because there's no, because you don't, what if you get rid of him and then you find out, there's more evidence that comes out that he's innocent, right? We've been talking about it extensively on other shows. So some, what's the word? A ball bag on wheels.

Ball bag on wheels? Yeah, some guy. And he's like, very interesting. Very interesting. Is that, he was like this. He's like, very interesting that you have been defending Ezra Miller, but never bring up, Jonathan Majors. I'm like, well, first of all, send me the time code where I defended Ezra Miller.

Right. What I have adamantly said many times over, he, excuse me, they should be replaced. Right. Absolutely. The movie should come out. They should do it. And their performance was really good in the movie.

Yeah. But they should be replaced. I've said it many times over. Right. I said, send me the time code where I've defended. Right. Ezra Miller. I have very much said that, you know, I understand why they released it.

I understand. Right. Sure. What I have said was because I want to say, how do you go and support this movie? If you support this movie, I go, no. support the people who worked on the movie. I've support hundreds. Thousands of people.

That's support. A hundred percent their things. Because the hypocritical notion between a lot of that, but people who wrote that. So you're telling me that since, you've never watched usual suspects, you've never watched any movie that ever had Kevin Spacey in it, you've never watched, you know,

anybody who's ever been canceled or anything to, you've never watched any other movies afterwards. I say bullshit, sir. I say bullshit. And you're not, doesn't mean you're supporting them. Right. It means you're watching, there's a lot of moving parts.

One person doesn't make a movie. At all. It just drove me nuts because it's like, I get it. It's like, now we talked about the Sonsk-Campes and Calis the day. It's different. If that person would have said,

hey, I've missed some of your shows. Have you brought up a lot of the Jonathan Major? So, and if so, where can I find that? To which I'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah, go to the Capes and Calzone. We just talked about it this past Friday. We've talked about it in here.

And they said, question, do you support Ezra Miller? Because I'm not sure from what you said. And I said, no, I don't. I actually think they should be replaced from the thing. And I think clearly after this. But it's like, don't say definitive stupid shit if you haven't done your research. It drives me fucking crazy.

I know, but it drives me nuts. I know. But yeah, it's continuously my issue with the way we work as a society today. We don't understand nuance. And we don't have this availability to know that every subject and person is different. The Jonathan Majors and the Ezra Miller, although they both combine in a story of should these actors continue to be placed in these roles, sure, but the crimes that are alleged are completely different. And the evidence that's been allotted to us is completely

different. So how can you compare the two? Didn't? Because it's white guy, black guy, problem, problem, they, you know, but I'm also like, as far as Ezra, like, and then it was released and sucks that it came out afterwards of, you know, the movie? No, the statement from the courts and that you know, I don't know if it's all of it involved, you know, and...

What do you mean? I'm not... There was the statement where Ezra released, like, the court said that he was not guilty and they found, you know... In one of the count. Okay. There's so much stuff. I just don't know all of it, but that's it. That's the point. And this is why we've been very clear on all of the shows. So again, that person would have

looked and seen what we've talked to about, we've been very clear. I don't know the evidence in either of the cases. Right. You just asked me, like, do I think that Jonathan Majors should be replaced as opposed to, do I think that Ezra should be replaced? I don't have enough information about Jonathan Majors. I know that every other

Thursday, there's something that comes out at, it looks like Jonathan Majors might be the right, and then it looks like this past week, it was like back and forth. I'm not, I'm not a lawyer. I'm going to look and go, look, if this is a decision that happens, if they think that it's time to be replaced, but with Ezra Miller,

with all this stuff, and considering that James Gunn is moving forward, I think it's time to move on from Ezra Miller. And I've said that very clear. And I'll tell you what, even if it turns out down the line that, okay, well, a lot of these things were maybe this person said this, this person said that, so they're cleared of certain things. I still think it's time to move on. In the same way that if you moved on from Henry Cabell, you move on from everyone else,

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Star Wars Star Wars story was Amelia Clark, who was Hans Childhood Love. There was a lot of fan interaction with trying to get, whether it was Crimson Dawn or anything to get her back in the franchise. But there's a lot of people thinking that it's potential. Some people thought that she was going to show up in the book of Boba Fett. It was speculated she was going to show up. But there's a new viral video. Ben Mendelsohn asked Amelia Clark during a press junkin for Marvel Secret Invasion about

returning to Star Wars and speculation aside from what her facial expression could signify. It's obvious the actress was caught off guard. In the end, this is just two star star, excuse me, co-stars fooling around. and one way or another, it's clear that Mendelsohn knows nothing. Personally, after watching the video, I don't think Clark was to spill the beans when she said, you know what?

And her saying, I'm in Marvel now, I'm not allowed, doesn't do much for me either. But the 36-year-old actress knows the thing or two about keeping secrets. So personally, I think trying to interpret anything from her facial expressions when asked would break NDAs as a waste of time. People were wondering if she's going to show up in this era of Star Wars,

what's the outlaws, this video game? So could she show up in that? Could she voice in that particular game? I think she's going to show up in something other. I mean, she might show up in Outlaws and is, you know, just bringing her in. But I still, there was a rumor years ago that Crimson Dawn was going to be a series on Disney Plus. They could still, to me, go. I remember when Steph and I first heard about like Boba Fett and everything too,

and we saw that first trailer and we thought it was going to be Sopranos. We thought it was going to be the underworld. we thought it was like, oh, sign me up. And we never really got that, right? I wonder if they could basically reconcile all of that by doing a Crimson Dawn thing, bring her in, bring it a little bit more hard PG-13, right? Like in the and or type of way

and make it this kind of gangst with her in it. Do you think she could do something like that or is that too far-fetched right now? I don't think they will, but that would be awesome. I love Amelia Clark. I love her in Secret Invasion. I'm loving that show in general. That's what it's called, right?

It is, and I just totally forgot that episode three is out right now. That show is no one's talking about that show. I know, I love it, though. I like the first two episodes, yeah. I just, yeah, I don't know. You have Don Chito and Samuel L. Jackson. It's a great scene. It's a second scene, yeah.

Yeah, it's so sick. But anyways, I love her, and I love Crimson Dawn. I love that her, she had my favorite character arc in that movie solo. I thought it was super cool. I was kind of surprised by it. I didn't know where they were going to go with it with her. And she's so sweet and smiley, so it was cool to watch her change into that character.

So I would love that. I just don't think that they would do that. Do you think she'll come back at all in Star Wars? Yeah, outlaws? I think for sure. I think, yeah, she would do outlaws, but then it's like so many people don't watch the show. I mean, do the games.

Oh, right, right, right. I mean, you'd be surprised. The games have, I mean, have more of an audience than some of the shows. That's true. It's just a different, it's a different. demographic. If they plan on making it live action, then yeah, I think they would definitely bring. Yeah, but that's like the same thing with like the live action of like how they don't capitalize on these things. The same way that like Spider-Man, right? Like when Spider-Man, when they knew, they knew what was

going to happen and knew no way home. Sony to me dropped the ball tremendously. Like you look at the, what do they have the crack and what's the, what's the Craven? Craven the Cracken or whatever's name is. They have this movie coming out. They had the Morbi. Morbius. And these movies, like, no one gives a shit, right? Venom they got lucky with

because it's Tom Hardy to it. But then no one gave a shit about the second one. No, I thought it did okay. I thought it did okay. But either way.

Surprisingly did. Right, but either way. They dropped the ball so hard on that where what they should have done, they should have lined up Toby McGuire, they should have lined up Andrew Garfield

and said we already established a multiverse thing. We own both these. We're making Spider-Man 3 with Andrew Garfield. We're making Spider-Man 4 with Toby. We might have the link. cup, those movies hand over fist they would have made. Sony could have done it.

It wouldn't have tied into the MCU. I'm just telling you, if you're going to make a movie whether or not you think they should have done it or not, as opposed to Morbius and Crunny the Crenzimpin Hunter guy, whatever his name is, you know, vampire face. I don't know. Cranny the Hunter. Cranny the Hunter. And like those movies, like to, because, and Craven might work very well in MCI.

I know he's a beloved character and I'm busting balls, but I'm like, but as far, I think that in MCU probably would have handled them better than what Sony's been doing, but it references to me the same thing that could happen here with Cal Kestis. You've got this game that is so hot right now. Give this guy a show. Yeah. I'll say this. Right. Right. I would watch it. I know he did get a lot of flack for saying this, but when Gunn came out back in January, said, you know what, whoever plays Superman is going to be in Superman and the cartoons and the video games and the movies and the TV shows, and that's it. I love that.

We're not going to get this BS. We don't know. The games don't really count and this and that and this, but they're not the same thing. No, your guy's your guy. I know. I love that.

But this guy, the Cameron, what's his name, Cameron. Monaghan. Is that a name Cameron Monaghan? He's like a very talented actor. He's really good. He's really talented. It's like, sign him up.

Put him on, do it, do a six episodes. It's so crazy. I think it leans back to the days of where, you know, you're always like, geez, Justice League Unlimited, such a great cartoon. Why don't they get those guys to write the movies? And the studio's like, that's the animation guys. We ain't doing it.

You're not wrong. Kennedy of them. I was like, that's the video games. We're the film, the billion dollar film. That's video games. We don't dabble in that. That's keep them over there. You're not wrong because it's a very exactly what it is. You're 100% right because it is a separate team that works on those. It's like, oh, can I want to handle the TV actor?

I don't keep them with that. Trust me. There's a old school mentality. I think you're right. When it comes to the writers and all that, because they're two separate teams. The same team that does visions is the same team that helps with the stories on the video games. And you can tell.

They should be in that room. You got that right. If they're not, they should be in that room. And it's the same reason. And someone like Claudia Gray should be in that room. I'm not telling you that not every person who writes novels can write scripts. Sure.

But they should be in the room. Like if you have ideas, ideas. If we're having these meetings with the writers, and everything too and you want to make some big rooms and that's what it comes down to put those people in the room put Alexander Freed in that room

put Christy Golden in that room put these people who have written these novels stick them in the room it's an old school hierarchy where they're just kind of like I think that is so weird it's crazy and you look at

speaking like that team that's doing the games right the Jedi Jedi Survivor the opening of that game you played you played the opening of the new one right the opening of that game is significantly better than anything they've done in TV so far Mandelorian included.

Like the opening, what they do when you're walking through and you first get there and there's this whole thing that you have this mission you have to go through, the music, the tone, it's, I'll just say, it's place in Choruson. And it's like, it feels about as Star Wars as it gets. Yeah, totally. And it combines both everything you loved about

the original trilogy and everything you loved about the prequels and all the cool stuff from all of it. It puts it all in one. Those people who were, wrote that should be in the room. Yeah. Okay. That's it. I'm not disagree with you. No, you're the one that made the initial point.

I did, did not. All right, I think that we're almost done here. We got another we got another thing we can talk about. Hold on. What we talk about now? Let's talk Mission Impossible, Mikey, boy. Boy, let's do it. All right, so the, again, this is a non-spoiler review. My non-spoilers already up. Steph has not seen the movie. A lot of people have

not seen it yet. And Mike and I have not really had an opportunity to talk about it in depth. But we did talk about a little And what I said in my review, it was so strange. I had to review this movie twice in the same review. Because when I initially saw it out of the theater, I just reviewed it as just a Mission Impossible movie. And then as I was kind of marinated on,

and I was like, it's not really fair to do because there's so much great in this movie. But it's really, you're reviewing it as two different things. And like, if you're reviewing this, and what I said in my review is, if you go in, if you're looking for, what are you looking for an Mission Impossible movie, first of all, when you go to see it?

That's the first question. Whoa! What the heck is that, dude? Then you will love this movie because that is what the is. There is, that's a great answer. That's a really great answer. A fantastic answer, though. But it delivers, you want a summer blockbuster.

You want big stunts. You want gun battles. You want car chases. You want all of that. You'll love this movie. It is a 10 out of 10 as far as a summer blockbuster action film goes. as a mission impossible film I think it's a seven out of ten

I think that it's missing some of the cleverness that made the other ones like from three until this is what was this eight? This is seven? No, this is seven? Yeah, seven. So three, four, five, and six were very, these missions that were very clever

and they would kind of connect and it was like, oh, and I said in the review, it was like, how does this get from A to Z? Oh wow, they had to fill all this stuff in there. This was a little bit more like they were just going for popcorn, boom, boom, boom, boom. But better, directed than a lot of the other kind of schlocky

stuff that's out there. But it's, in the end of it, you're just like this. Holy crap, right? Yeah. But you are a massive Mission Impossible. I am. Do you understand where I'm coming from? Of course I do. Yeah. For me, what I look for in Mission Films is, how does it build the world of Mission Impossible? And I'll say, my favorite

scene was that scene where they're all explaining what the main thing is, where they're in the room, and they're going over what the IMF is. And he's like, the International Monetary Fund, he's like, no, POSM Mission Force. So we just send this out there and a guy and he chooses to accept it and he

chooses or not to, like that scene to me and then the scene where Ethan's getting the mission and the one guy was there with him. No, no spoilers, no spoilers. No, but he's just, it's the rookie guy giving him the mission and that interchange with them and you understand and this went into a lot, Ethan's past. It's it.

And the whole team's passed. So for me as a mission fan it just enriches these characters but I do see what you're saying where the the intricacies of A to Z and you're like, they jump to end, but they're going back to G, J, but how does it get, where's K?

Right. And at the end, you're like, oh, there's the alphabet. Right. And so the ending is fantastic. And it is clearly a part one. That's what we're saying. Yeah. It's not a Spider-Verse part one where it's just, or across Spiderman, you're like, what? Right.

It's a full movie that ends. It ends. Yeah. But it's two. You're waiting. So I think a lot of your, concerns. Concerns.

Concerns are coming in with eight. I think it could be 100%. I think that that's, that you could watch this as a one and two together as like a six-hour movie. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. And the other thing that I think should be commended is the chemistry between Haleyatwell and Tom Cruise. She's so good.

It's fantastic. She's a new addition to it. I would have liked to see the other, the old school crew do a little bit more. Yeah. They do some stuff, but it's like, and I know that it's just trying to show you, now facing a mission like they've never faced before. That's basically how you're supposed to feel in this movie. like yeah you know like and and every turn that our team used to be able to do this they're now met with

this and right it's kind of like uh this is what we think we know about the world but it's like you can't beat this right i mean it's in the trailers it's like your story's already been written right yeah so um it's it's it's interesting but i would like i said i would say 10 out of 10 as far as blockbuster summer action film 7 out of 10 as far as mission impossible with a with a clear understanding that that could change after seeing part two yeah i i i I can't rank them yet, but I'm dying to see it again. Like, I'm just, for right now, Rogue Nation is my favorite. And it goes back to the old school.

It's five. Because a lot of people love, like, Fallout with the massive stunts and the massive helicopter. He's thing. Like, I love Fallout at the, Rogue Nation at the end. It's just two guys running through the streets of London. And it ends up, he says, I'm going to end. He says, at one point he's like, this is going to end with you in a box.

You think he's going to die. Yeah. Yeah. And he just trapped himself. The best missions to me were the villain always traps themselves. Yeah. And I love that. So Rogue Nation to me is just... Eastside Morales is also probably... Oh, he's good. He's good, but it's still not as developed yet.

Because the whole thing with his history, like, they're connected, but they don't go into it yet. That's what it is part two is going to fill out a lot of stuff. When does it come out? Or projected? Part two? June of next year. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they might have a Spider-Ver situation. No, no, no, no. I think McQuirius said he's done. They just finished eight.

That's exciting. It's done. is where it goes after this. Okay. Because there's always, because people, and again, this is from part two

that nobody has seen. People don't know if Ethan Hunt's going to retire. People don't know if Ethan Hunt's going to die. Macquarie said, I think recently said he's like, we have an idea for nine. Right.

We're not done. We just don't know if it's going to be Cruz, right? No, I think they said, it kind of, because I thought going into eight, this was he's done. They're going to put his story to end,

but then he came out with us, like, we've got a story. We've got the ideas there. If they go forward with Mission Impossible, past Tom Cruise. Yeah. It should be a Paramount Plus TV series. Go back to its roots.

Do a television series. What the problem is, I'll say this. And this is my thoughts on mission. Mission needs to end. I would love it to see where Ethan becomes the director, the secretary, who gives the missions. Right. And I've always thought that Paramount Plus,

like Tom Cruise will not allow a TV show as long as he's making mission. He said that. Like, mission is for the theater. And like, I think that is a disservice. I think a mission upon. possible set in the 60s were the foundation, how the IMF was created. Kind of like Kingsman. As a Paramount

Plus series. So it's 30 years pre Ethan Hunt, but we're finding out how the masks came about, how all the things came about. It's like a redo of the original series. But more so than that, more so, more so than the early TV show, like this shows how the IMF was created. In the TV show, the IMF was just there.

So this is, why did the government decide this group is going to, how do they recruit people? I think that would have been separates it from Cruz. Right. Completely you don't go for the big stunts. You go more for the low, small scale, low budget, espionage stuff.

But it allows you to branch off and build it. Yeah, I mean, look, that's not a bad idea either, but I think that if they can get, and Tom Cruise very well might be involved in all of it going forward. Probably producer, absolutely. I mean, still Ethan Hunt, rather.

Yeah. And if he decides that he's going to still be part of it, then yeah, it'll probably still be another movie. Yeah. But if not, Simon Peg, Rames, all these characters that put them in the Paramount Plus. Look at

Harrison Ford's doing TV now. Helen Mirren's doing TV. All the people doing TV now because Paramount Plus has these kind of budgets. I think and Paramount Plus needs more shows that are not done by Taylor Sheridan. Right. Yeah. It's there. I just think with Cruz as long as they're making movies, they're not doing streaming.

He won't. And it's fair enough. With him or without him, you're saying. Either way. With the Mission Impossible name. They're not doing anything. I don't know. Things change. You know, things change. Sure. But with the talk of a nine now, with them both talk about nine,

and it happened anytime soon. Not sure. All right. Well, we talked about a lot. What do you guys think? At all the things we talked about today, please let your thoughts be known, please and thank you. For Mike and staff, you can check stuff out at the world girls.

Oh, did you see, I don't think you saw this stuff, but we put last week, Roxy talked about your boxing videos. Oh, yeah. What? Yeah, one of my, one of my, one of my, so here's the thing. Oh, Jesus. So one of my biggest pet peeves in movies is how this came about is when men are women. When they don't know how to throw a punch, it drives me nuts.

Not in light. Who doesn't? Julia Roberts did it in Runaway Bride and I was watching my wife and I'm like, hilarious. It's so specific. Yeah, it's very specific. I love that. Is she punching someone or is it just?

Is that movie so good? Or she's punching a punching. Not really. But she's, but she's punching the bad. Like you just see it sometimes like then you see people who can just, but just, but just, form, you know, and I always bring this up, and I bring it up all the time, when I was watching a Shmowdown video. You know who can throw a punch?

Who? Beth May. Beth May... She's a little scrapper, isn't she? Beth May can throw a punch. Beth May was, had this, like, video where she did what she was doing in his training video. And she's like, training, you can tell, has taken boxing, knows how to throw a, so Roxy's like, yeah,

mine were ridiculous. And she was telling me she was going like this, and I go, that's like Team America. Right? And the puppets when they're going like this. Roxy's punching like this? So I, so, but. And so I said, you must be exaggerating. Not exaggerating. No, you watch it. I put the clip in the video and she's going, and then I said, if I was going to guess, I bet you Steph knows how to throw a punch.

And I said, I bet you, Doreen is going to be like, it doesn't matter if I know how to throw a punch or not. Right. She's going to be like, she has swag when she throws a punch. But, and you can tell, like, it's exactly what it was. Steph clearly is athletic. Knock them out. Did you? It was a knockout.

Yeah. Who you, is VR, so you're knocking someone out? Yeah. It's actually a workout. It is. You can tell. You can tell. But I had.

But I had the advantage of it I played before, and I worked on my form. My form could be, it's hard when you can't see yourself. Right. Because my form's better off of it. But yeah, it was a knockout. But you're also athletic. Right. And Roxy doesn't try to pretend that she is.

She's not. But she's got spirit. She's got the Phoebe run. She's got Moxie. Have you ever seen Roxy run? No. It's the best. Like, she's always told me, she's like, I run like Phoebe and I said, no, you don't.

And then I took this video of her and Collider. and she runs like Phoebe. And she dances like Cameron Diaz. Her legs go out like this when she runs. And like you can see both of her feet to the side. Her back kind of hunches. It's incredible. She's a gem.

It's incredible. She's a gem. It's really great. I don't want to make fun of her. Oh, she makes fun of herself on it. She owns it. It's one of her most lovable attributes. Easily.

Yeah. How she runs? No, her entire, anything athletic. Athletic. Yeah. It's athletic essence. Athletic essence. Athletic essence top tier.

Yeah. Yeah. Is it like Steven Seagall running? I'm going to show it. I'm going to show it probably during this and then I'll show it to you when we go off there. I have to see this. I'll show it. I have to see this.

It's incredible. All right. You guys, thank you for joining us. Once again, make sure that you hit that button if you haven't done it already. Please, please thank you if you're able to, whether it's AG1, athletic greens or or Manscape, get it today. Help out the show. They'll be coming back.

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