The Last American Vagabond - 24 IDF Soldiers Killed While Illegally Demolishing Civilian Infrastructure w/ Robert Inlakesh

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

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Welcome to the Daily Wrapup, a concise show dedicated to bringing you the most relevant, independent news as we see it from the last 24 hours. Tuesday, January 23rd, 2024. Thank you for joining me today. Right back at it today to get back into some foreign policy focus. Yesterday, I took a little step into some more abstract topics. Well, really, not really when you understand what's truly going on, but as it's perceived to most people, the smart dust aspect, the technology. technocracy connection to what's currently going on, the connection to our medical health. But there's a lot that I put off yesterday that I wanted to make sure we got to. And I wanted to have Robert In LeKest join me today.

In my opinion, one of the best people to have these conversations with and also happens to work with The Last American Bagabond. It's an honor to have them on the show. As always, Robert, how are you today, my friend? I'm doing fine. Thank you for having me back. Yeah, yeah. Let's get into quite a bit today.

I kind of wanted to start with something that is kind of overtaken the, news cycle today for the most part. But it's always interesting to me how the same, it's almost, it's very clear to me how repackage the same narratives are coming from. And this isn't unique to the Israeli government, but how when you're in this kind of a mode where it's the U.S. governor or Israel, that you can just see these like recycled same sentiments that just get put out, even though the verifiable information is, is quite different. So that's in regard to the 21 IDF members that were recently killed. And, but actually, technically, I forgot. I wanted to start just with one point before that to get kind of set with where they currently are.

And then we'll jump into that conversation. But here is something I wanted to ask you about. This first of all, actually, well, this and then we can talk about where they currently are. I just wanted to play this first. This is very interesting to me. And I wanted your thoughts on this. And Ania shared this. Netanyahu defines terrorism in 1987 interview.

And it's perfect definition of who he is and what he, who should. she argues the estate of Israel is. So let's play this really quickly. And I want you to give me your take on how the supplies and, you know, whether you think he means this and so on. So let's, let's look at this first. So it's an interesting, interesting clip. Do is target the innocent, deliberately. And therefore, my definition of terrorism is the systematic and deliberate attack, the murder, maiming, and menacing of innocence, civilians for political goals. You can tell a lot about terrorists. but what happens when they come to power?

Those who fight for freedom and come to power do not impose terrorism. Those who do, who fight in terroristic means, end up as being masters of terrorist states. Wasn't that interesting, right? So what are your thoughts? Well, it's interesting, especially since his state came to being through terroristic means. In fact, all the organizations which founded his state were closed. terrorist organizations from, ranging from Britain and France and other countries, even I believe in the United States, the Urgun were also prescribed at one point, if I can recall correctly.

Didn't the Lehi faction of the Ergun party even call themselves terrorists? I believe that's on the record, right? That was the term they used for their own people, were terrorists. I'm not sure if they describe themselves as terrorists. That might have been the case. I'm not aware of that information as to whether they describe themselves as such. They describe themselves as colonialists at one point, which is interesting because now they'll talk about, I heard an Israeli spokesperson say that Zionism is the world's most successful are the best anti-colonial movement, which is hilarious because they used to function out of a colonial office to conduct their policy.

But in that aside, these groups like the, Stern gang and the Urgun and even the Haganah used means of terrorism in order to achieve their aims, you know, not getting caught too much now into the history. But after the Arab revolt of 1936 to 1939 against the British, during which the British killed thousands of Palestinians and basically destroyed the Palestinian resistance inside of Occupy Palestine that had risen up and fought against it and the Zionist movement, the British had trained and armed these groups. And then these very same groups after what was known as the white paper was issued, which essentially put a cap on Zionist immigration, a Jewish immigration,

from Europe to occupy Palestine, and also attempted to pledge a Palestinian state. And this was one of the first times where we saw this actually, you know, in a written document that the British were looking to actually give the Palestinians a state and a considerable portion of the land. And so the Zionists from that point decided that they would engage in terrorism against the British. They killed around 500 Brits roughly. They bombed the British embassy in Rome.

They even purchased planes to drop bombs over London. They planted bombs in. inside of hotels in London. They attempted to send a letter of bomb to Winston Churchill. And then there is the very famous bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed British and other foreign nationals, Israeli or at that point Zionist Jews and Palestinians in the bombing. Because, of course, at that point, there wasn't an Israel.

so these were Zionists. And so that's how it came into being. And eventually that led to pressuring the British to just leave the whole situation alone. And then in 1948, or really from 1947 through to 1949, these same terrorist organizations are the organizations which committed these massacres such as Deriyasin and ethnically cleansed the Palestinian villages and killed thousands of Palestinians. And then when you see they come to power, it's not like this latest massacre of civilians

is something new for the Zionists. I mean, in terms of the scale, definitely, in terms of the dead, definitely. We haven't seen anything like this, I think really since the colonial era in terms of how horrifying this is and now with modern weapons. So you'll see that in 1982, for instance,

they killed 20,000 plus palisphixt. Palestinian and Lebanese. And then once they force the PLO, they talk about, you know, when we force our enemies out, then all of the violence is going to stop. And they'll live in, you know, they say Gaza will turn into Singapore and all of this. Well, in 1982, they succeeded in pushing out the PLO, which later they signed an agreement with, by the way, and the United States at the time called the PLO terrorists, they pushed them out of Beirut. And as soon as they were pushed out, the Palestinians and those Lebanese who were living, either inside the camps in some cases, technically in their territory or just outside, were subjected to massacres which were committed by Christian militias who were directly backed by the Israelis. So, you know, throughout their history, and we can go into many different cases and accounts, they've carried out this very same action. And Netanyahu is saying that, I mean, it's almost an admission of guilt because Israel was conducting itself in this very same way, even back when he was uttering those words.

back. I believe that clips from the 1980s, right? So, yeah, I have the exact date, but that's, it's the time frame. And to bring it back to you said, his clip is where he's stating at the point is, well, then we agree, right? So obviously, yes, then you're describing is exactly the way that your government and your Zionist entity has committed or conducted itself. And it's the same argument that's used today, right? Well, as soon as we get Hamas out of the way, it'll all be, everything will be, hungry. Well, their own history proves that's false. So I just think it's interesting to lay that that groundwork to show you that they've been using the same excuse to justify what they're doing against these people and it never

changes what they continue to do. So, you know, by his own statements, then he's claiming he's a terrorist. And I think that's an interesting place to start. And actually, let's go to this next just because I think this is relevant to what you were just basically saying. Let me just see if I can grab it real quick. Have you seen the clip that's been circulating? It's not a new clip. That's what I think is important about it. We talked about it and wake up to day as well about the, what's called Gaza Alcatraz. Have you seen that? Let me grab this for you.

So it's a clip. It's a clip of what they in, I think it was 2017, are discussing. They make a little graphic for it, what they want to do and, you know, move the Palestinians out onto this island. And I just think it's interesting that that in and of itself is sort of the same concept. It's like, well, everything will be fine once we just get them all the way over there. And the point is, well, isn't that, the kind of the point about what you said with Gaza. So my argument this morning was like, yep,

until they just into a couple years go, well, now that's ours. Now you can move over there, right? And it's just the same cycle. So I'll play this for you since you haven't seen it. And then you can talk about it. It's an interesting and kind of alarming. And the main point is for the average person. This, as always, did not start on October 7. This has been the same plan, the same effort. This is just the current iteration of the ongoing. Official Island initiative is aimed at providing an answer to a reality that is bad for the Palestinians and not good for Israel. Today, Israel continues to be perceived as being responsible for the Gaza Strip and is, to a large extent, the only lifeline to it, even though

it withdrew from the strip over a decade ago. Construction of an artificial island with a port and civilian infrastructure installations off the coast of Gaza will provide the Palestinians a humanitarian, economic, and transportation gateway to the world without endangering Israel's security. The artificial island, which will be internationally financed, built and owned, will be constructed about three miles off the coast of Gaza. Cargo and passenger ports, port operation and management facilities, water desalination, electricity and gas installations, as well as logistics centers will be built on the island. In order to ensure that security threats are addressed, Israel will remain in control of security in the sea around the island and of security inspection

in the port. An international policing force will be responsible for security and public order on the island and for a checkpoint on the bridge which will connect the island to the coast. The ability to secure the island will be significantly greater than if a port were to be built on the Gaza coast itself. And should the need arise, the island could be disconnected from the strip. So for those that just want to make sure you, you know, because people wonder, it's always good to check.

This is definitely, Times of Israel shared this, if it's Israeli minister promoting this idea, which again, you can argue. It doesn't mean that it's necessarily what everyone wanted, but the point is this is a common sentiment. How do we get rid of this problem, which is not Hamas, but all of the Palestinian people. Now, assuming they got all the bells and whistles that they claim were in there, even if that's, you know, it's still just you're being exiled onto some like Gaza Alcatraz, is what it's saying. So have you seen that before? I haven't seen the video, but I read articles around the time on it. So I'm familiar with the concept. I mean, they have vivid imaginations. That's what I can say. Gaza has a port. This is the thing Gaza has a port already. It just

can't be used. That's the problem. So this whole idea of giving Gaza a port, perhaps maybe there was some sort of Qatari interest in financing something like this back then. But, you know, this is the way it is. If you want to have a checkpoint there and you want to have warships surrounding it. I mean, what sort of trade can be conducted, which is going to feed into a real viable economy. The Palestinians don't have an economy in the occupied territories. And this includes the West Bank. There's not really an economy. Everything comes through and is controlled and dominated by Israel. Israel even takes the tax revenue from the Palestinian Authority. And then as it chooses, withholds that from them in violation of their agreements with the Palestinian Authority and

international law. Yeah, they have very vivid imaginations. That's my comment. Yeah, yeah. I just think it's. And so the point was obviously that you could see the sentiment is very clear. It's always been there. And it's always a justification. There's one more step, just one more step, you know, which has allowed this like incremental torture of this population for such a long time in many cases, not incremental, but you know, at the current point or before recently what's happening. But so let's talk about where they currently are. Because this is something that like in any one of these situations, whether it's Russia and Ukraine, it seems that every side is always trying to present the, you know, constructed presentation of what they've accomplished. And it's usually

never, you know, the exact picture on either side. So this is being presented by Megatron. And, you know, but it's being related, this is being, you know, largely discussed in multiple corporate platforms, but usually it's coming from statements from either side kind of thing. And this is from the Wall Street Journal saying Israel is failing to destroy Hamas and Gaza. And this was an This is an article circulating. U.S. intelligence agencies estimate Israel has killed 20% to 30% of Hamas fighters. Frankly, I don't know if I believe that. I find that hard.

I mean, they would have been parading this around if this was something you could verify, quite frankly. And it's just falling short of their target to destroy them completely. They estimate Hamas has months of ammunition left, causing Biden to pressure Netanyahu to change its approach. This is Megatron saying the Wall Street Journal confirms that what he already wrote, that Israel's failing in Gaza and is slowly beginning to withdraw, even though some Hamas fighters that it managed to eliminate, it did so with huge casualties in their ranks. And the argument really ultimately being that if they continue to do this, it's only going to end up in their own destruction, kind of sounds like what you were predicting from the very beginning, quite frankly,

right? So is that real? Is that where you see this actually at? The conclusions of the report, I agree with, the conclusions primarily. As for this 20 to 30% figure, I mean, that's a considerable difference, 20 or 30%. I mean, if you can't give a number, a rough estimate, then what you're doing essentially, and this is what the Israelis have done as well to come up with their, but I think there's two ways perhaps they've come up with this figure, which they present, which is the 8 to 9,000 Hamas fighters, they call them,

which I'll break down in a little bit of detail here for the viewers so that they can understand this. So number one, the Israelis are using AI technology in order to generate targets. That's well known. I'm sure you've come for that at length on your show. And so when they have these targets come up with the AI technology, they're given a percentage. And yeah, this is the report here, of how likely it is that there's, you know, a Hamas position there, you know, whether the target is male or female.

and based upon that, they'll order the strike. And they've basically just been ordering random strikes. And they took, I think, what was it, like something like 30 seconds or something in this report, they say, to authorize a strike. So it's not like these are well-fought-out targets. They didn't have enough targets to hit. They didn't have a bank of targets of valuable targets based upon their own intelligence work. So they've not been able to destroy a significant portion of the Hamas, Islam. Shihad and the other group's infrastructure underground. And so, and that's clear. They don't have

operational control. They claim to have full operational control in different areas. But then we see these videos pop up from the Gassam brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, showing that clearly they don't have operational control because even in the areas where they're supposed to have the most control, Hamas is popping up and fighting them and hitting them with RPGs. And so they don't have a true idea of exactly how many they're killing, they don't know. So this is the second way, I think, that the Israelis have

come up with their number of 8 to 9,000. If you look at that statistic, that's roughly how many men have been killed in total in the Garden Strip, 8 to 9,000. And this is out of the true statistic, which is roughly 33 to 34,000

Palestinians have been killed between the missing who are who are assumed to be dead and those who are confirmed to have been killed by the health ministry. And by the way, these numbers by the health ministry are not accurate, not because they're overstating them because they're a Hamasperan health ministry. It's absolutely the very opposite. They don't have the capacity to count them all and gather all the information on the names of the dead. The majority of the people who are dying, they can't account for them anymore.

And that's why the death goes to lower. And to add to that, I'm sure you've seen yourself too. it was both Associated Press, and I think it was the Washington Post argued that they're historically accurate, even compared to Israel's later numbers, that it's almost always very, you know, at the very close, very least similarly accurate to the same point. So historically, they are accurate. Yeah, they're trusted. They work with international organizations and also all of their reports before they put out their reports. They are checked in Ramallah by the Palestinian Authority. Well, it's under the control of the Palestinian Authority because it's the Palestinian Authority.

because it's the Palestinian health ministry. And it's a branch of the Palestinian health ministry. And the idea that some Hamas run, there's some fighter with a gun who's just coming up with random numbers, it's just, it's ridiculous. But that's why they say Hamas run health ministry. You know, it's like saying Netanyahu run health ministry to delegitimize Israeli death threats.

Iran-backed rebels in Yemen. That's the same kind of thing. It's undermined the legitimacy, as you wrote recently about. Exactly. Just to go back a little bit to the, before we get into another rabbit hole, the death toll that they're putting for for this 20 to 30,000 fighters. So the other way is that they're taking the entire male death toll, which is just completely inaccurate to begin with to try and take and say every single man who was killed was a Hamas fighter. Now, there's not only the fact that they're saying 20 to 30 percent of Hamas fighters have been killed. they don't even know how many Hamas fighters there are by the right they have no clue they say between 30 to 40,000 they don't know so this 20 to 30 percent figure how do they come up with that if they don't know how many Hamas fighters that there actually are on top of that as well how do they know they're Hamas fighters to begin with that they're killing because there is around a dozen different armed groups there and groups like Palestinian Islamic Shahad with their armed wings Suraya al-Quds or the al-Quds brigade

Jerusalem brigades have up to 70,000 fighters. They actually have more fighters than Hamas. So a lot of people don't know that, but they have more fighters than Hamas because their standards are less strict. Hamas are very strict and they have, they're more professional. They're understood to be more professional

and have better security measures in place. So even if it's true that you've destroyed 20 to 30% of Hamas fighters, as they stay in that article, that's still not coming close to defeating Hamas, number one. It would be a significant blow, but I don't believe that they did anything like that because you still, you can't demonstrate that these were even Hamas fighters. You can't give me a number. You can't give me a rough number. I would go as far as to say that they're not even trying to do that.

That'd be my personal opinion. I don't think if the aim is even remotely about affecting Hamas while they seemingly allow the leadership to comfortably sit in Qatar while Cutter mediates deals with them. Like it doesn't make any sense to me, quite frankly. I think that there's more going on there. Yeah, I think they're just throwing out random statistics, to be honest, and they're coming up with them. And even I think there is one of the Israeli spokespeople who based in the UK.

And he was, I think on Channel 4 News being interviewed. And when he cited that 8 to 9,000, we've killed 8 to 9,000 Hamas. and the interviewer says to him, you're just coming up with numbers. He knows him. A lot of pushback lately.

Yeah, because he himself, he's at, where are these numbers coming from? You're just plucking them out of the sky. And we see that as well. I went through the statistics maybe two weeks ago or so or a week and a half ago. And I was just looking at the statistics

of how many Hamas fighters they claimed they killed on October 7. And they started, Those statistics fluctuated consistently. Even Israel's reporting on its own dead and injured is not accurate as well. They're delaying announcing deaths of their own soldiers in some cases by around a month. Haaret, the most reputable newspaper from the Israeli side, did an investigation, I think or in a month and a half ago now, where they went to different hospitals to investigate how many Israeli soldiers had been.

injured and were being treated there in these hospitals that they visited. And they found that just the hospitals that they visited, you know, this is not including sort of mock setup side, like, you know, pop-ups or whatever. Yeah. Pop-ups, you know, 10 sites and stuff like this. The numbers were potentially leading them to believe that it's three times the amount that they're saying. Wow. Roughly. And what they found is that there was a significantly larger number of injuries and that there is a military sensor in every single one of those hospitals to make sure that nothing is being said to the media, nothing is being published without them monitoring it. So if anyone cannot be trusted for their statistics and what they say about death tolls, it's the Israelis. The Israelis, after all, have the 1400 death toll from October 6th,000.

And then they lowered that death toll down to 1,200. And then we learned that it was less than 1,200. And from the start, the Western media were citing this 1,400 statistic to try and say that they were all civilians. And of course, a third of those killed roughly were army and police. And if you include settlers, which I think a fair argument is made, especially now that they've been officially armed by the government. or they were before, but like in an official sense, that they're legal targets in a military sense when they're acting in that official capacity. But depending on the circumstances of what actually happened and when it matters, but you know, that should be disputed. But I think that's relevant. And the article you did with the cradle, as much as I know that there was a little bit of discrepancy there on like the full picture, I think the point is that to your point is not exact what it is, but ultimately that they're knowingly misrepresenting what the full picture is.

So why we can take anything at face value from these people is the question. Exactly. And that's the same thing with these claims about Hamas sexual assault, because back when I was writing that piece for the cradle, you know, we had access to the information, the initial claims of rape. And it was interesting because Joe Biden started repeating these claims of rape at a time when the Israeli military had stated publicly, at that time when Biden was saying there was proof, the Israeli military had stated publicly, we haven't collected any evidence. We don't have any, don't say anything because this is irresponsible because we haven't collected any evidence. Later on, they made their own claims, which then we heard that the times of Israel and other Israeli media came out and said, well, there's no actual physical proof. We didn't collect any physical evidence of rape. We didn't have rape kits. They provide a number of different reasons. They talk about Jewish burial rituals and all of this stuff. You know, I don't want to go too much into that. But now the important part to that is that the time, the wind

has now passed and they were clear about that. Like there was an opportunity to get that specific forensic evidence. They chose not to X, Y, and Z. They gave many reasons, but now that window's passed. So from a legal perspective, you could never arguably prove that it happened. Right. And that's their statement. I think that's important.

Yeah. And even if you look at those claims and, you know, I've gone through them at different times with more detail, and I'm sure you have. But if you look at those claims, those making the claims, there's a lot of question marks around. those individuals and organizations who are making those claims. And then it's very clear that there was a concerted campaign, which was launched, which included figures like Hillary Clinton, who Hillary Clinton has a history in Libya

of putting out false claims about, you know, mass rapes and sexual assault and weaponizing that sort of, you know, that sort of atrocity propaganda in order to justify wars of aggression. And that's exactly what they're doing here, because in terms of if there were individual cases, for instance, of rape. I don't think anyone would come out and be trying to dispute them if we had victims and we had very specific stories or anything that seemed like it was trustworthy. I don't think anyone would be coming out and disputing.

Maybe there'll be a few people would say, no, I still reject it. But their claim is that there is that Hamas ordered and weaponized rape. And there's a Hamas rapist regime. And they're a group of 30 to 40,000 rapists all of. them and their ideology is about rape and they there was a mass campaign of rape that I think again there's nothing there's nothing to prove that yeah there's nothing I agree I agree well let's bring this back to the other point I mean because I look we like we both talked about this is a topic that will continue to deserve attention and as more evidence comes I'll happily engage

with it the point stands there's no provable evidence that it happened there's proof well I would say there's no proof that happened I've said before there's evidence data points like I said with the woman in the Jeep that turns out to be the daughter of that one main high-level guy, right? Ultimately, the point is it appears like it looks like she might have been abused, but we ultimately still don't know. And that's how anybody honest should have engaged with this, you know? But back, and we can maybe touch on that a bit more when we get to a point today, if we

get to it about the Hannibal directive. But coming back to this, I'd like to, so the argument here is that we dispute the amount of Hamas members that have been killed, but you do argue that it seems that Israel's ultimately, you know, however you want to fret, what word you want to use. they're failing in their achievement of their goals and ultimately seemingly, like you predicted before, take, I guess the right word, but they're just, they're having a large negative effect by what they're trying to accomplish here. And so failing, I think is a fair assessment of what they're doing. So on the other side of that, here is David Roth Lindbergh, who's citing

these statistics saying figures from the Israeli Ministry of Economy saying, and this is a different point. It's about settlers, essentially. the Israeli population leaving because of what's happening. Since October 7th, 7% of the Israeli population have been internally displaced, which to me, I think it's a hard thing to make anybody care about while it's going on with Gaza, while they're really living in hotels while their illegal settlements are being retaken by Lebanon, which is arguably most of what that is. But the port, I think it's interesting.

14% of the dual citizens have left the country. Tourism in Israel has plummeted 75%. And if we get to the Yemen point today, they're shutting down trade predominantly, that Israel needs for a lot of different things. So in that regard, that side of it, do you see that being accurate and that there are people leaving? And what do you think about that? Those statistics, I don't know where his sources are, but they ring true from what I'm saying they're coming from the Israeli ministry of economy. Yeah, they definitely ring true around what I've heard. Yeah. And with those statistics, I mean this internally displaced rhetoric,

These are people living in settlements surrounding the Gaza Strip, which is in concentration camp, the world's largest concentration camp. They were living surrounding it and in militarized communities. And then you have the people in the north who are also living along the Lebanese borderland. And of course, those people as well are there. And for instance, in the Jolan, in the Shavah Farms area, that's occupied. territory. There's no dispute about that. In the Rajahar village, that's occupied Lebanese territory. So when they move, well, I mean, you're at war. You're choosing to bomb and kill people in other countries. This is war. If you want to move from your homes, that's your choice. Your homes are not

being in Lebanon, the Lebanese border is a little bit different. But in terms of around Gaza, your homes are not being completely demolished and leveled like they are in Gaza. You're just, you're scared. You don't want to live there. You don't want to stay in your bunker. You would rather go in a hotel somewhere else. And you're scared. So you ran away.

I don't have much sympathy for that person in that position, to be quite frank. People can insult me for that, but yeah. I don't have, I don't have a shred of sympathy for it. Palestinians remain in their homes. Yeah. Even under the threat that the entire building, is going to be blown up. Why? Because this is their home and their land and they refuse to leave it. They refuse to leave it. This is ours. You will not push us away. You can kill anyone you want.

You can kill me. You will never defeat us. You will never push us from our land. This is ours. We're staying here. You won't win. That's the mentality of the Palestinian. The mentality of those Israeli settlers who live privileged lives next to a concentration camp with a standing army there conducting a ground incursion and committing a genocide, oh, I'm afraid that perhaps a rocket will fall nearby and that there's going to be a siren which goes off. I mean, oh, that's all right, that you're scared, you're a coward. Leave the country, leave all together, go with your dual citizenship.

Go over. Live in the United States, live in Canada. No one's going to stop you. Come. A lot of that's happening. That's fine. Like everyone, like that would be wonderful. Go to Canada.

Go to the United States. Go to Britain. Go to France. go to Germany, go anywhere else then. Right. And I think what's important to clarify, too, is what we're talking about are not, you know, random Israeli citizens that happen to, like, we're talking about people in many cases who come from like New York and become illegal settlers in a position which is openly illegal

in international law, like the UN, even the United States is pressuring them to stop their illegal settlements. So again, you're right, no sympathy there. Like you're putting yourself in a position to be like, you can argue that the bottom line is while we're dealing with the displaced people, as you said, Palestinians who would, then they didn't want to diminish that courage by saying they're only being forced to stay there because of Hamas. And it's like, you know, it just becomes this ongoing manipulation. But let's, I know you've got limited time. So actually, I had one question I would ask you. And I don't want it to take up a whole

bunch of time, but I find this fascinating, just that really important, I guess, in the, the point of occupation, just really quickly. So there's a legal occupation, obviously, which is somebody who was illegally remaining, which is the U.S. in many places, Israel, in Palestine, Syria, Lebanon. In your mindset or even just international law, which you probably are very well versed on, is there a legal occupation? Is that only in the time frame where you're in the midst of war? And you're supposed to pull away? Is that the only time frame there's a legal occupation, or is there ever a time where that's considered legal? Well, an occupation can be for a limited period of time, and there can be a legal argument for it.

but an occupation is supposed to end. And you're supposed to have a roadmap to end it. The Israelis have argued in the past that because they signed the Oslo Accords, there was a path towards ending their occupation, which it began in the West Bank and Gaza Strip in East Jerusalem in 1967. But it's very clear at this point that they've annexed big swabs at this territory. And that in the West Bank, it's not even, you know, technically, legally under international law, it's an occupation. And an illegal

occupation at that, because of the fact that this is not meant to end, they violated all their agreements with the other party. There was supposed to be a path towards granting independence, and this has not happened. And then they continually commit daily war crimes. So everything about it and its nature is illegal. They can say that, well, we're allowed to have an occupation because of X, Y, Z, and they can present stupid legal arguments for it. but also under an occupation of people do have the right to arm struggle. Right. But then the Israelis robbed them of any right to do anything and then argue a right of self-defense.

And in fact, the ICJ ruled, I believe it was in 2002 or 2003, about the legality of the wall. And what ended up happening on that as a result of that is they ended up giving their opinion on other issues as well. and accepting that the Israelis don't actually have a right to self-defense as an occupier in those territories. They don't have that right under international law. You can't defend yourself against people who are defending themselves against occupation and trying to fight off occupation because they have that right. And even further, in the South Africa case, one of the representatives brought that even further and made the point of its whole belligerent occupier aspect, right?

So even if you argue you have a legitimate occupation, the point is that you have a legal obligation to protect the civilian population, which is why they argue that, but clearly aren't doing that. So in every angle, you can see that no matter what their argument is, they're falling flat in actually achieving that. I'll include this, which is an excellent piece of work that you did. And I believe this was, I forget if this is my interview with you about it or, oh, yeah, it's an interview right there. So we interviewed you about your, your documentary called the steel of the century, which is, it goes back to Trump's time frame doing the same thing, trying to pretend like your. making another peace deal when all it was is like the reframing of the same illegal occupation, you know, which is just insulting. So I'll include that people to check out. Let's jump over to this topic. So this is about the 21 IDF members. I think this is really important because it hits on a few different important angles of this discussion. One is that they're illegally demolishing civilian infrastructure and there's just literally no legal obligation. Like even the argument of the human shield aspect has been put to them to say you have to prove these things before you just act. And so even then in a long term sense, they're not doing any of that or that there's

a military purpose to it. But on top of that, it's showing you that they're doing so. And I argue a way to to clear out what's currently there, which shows you that, yes, they are going to be settling. All these things are provable if you just pay attention to what they're saying. But the average person may not be aware of this. So this is Elon Levy, the person you were referencing. He's the, I think the UK-based representative for only October 7th, which I just think is interesting. It looks like he's changed it now to spokesmen in the October 7 war. That's new. It used to just say the October 7th spokesman.

So now that's a way to make it an ongoing thing, right? So it's this ongoing from October 7th. Any case, he says, Israelis are waking up to an unbelievably painful morning with news that 21 reservists were killed yesterday in Gaza. He writes, dismantling Hamas terror infrastructure. Of course, right? Even though the provable reality, as the intercept recently covered, and it's very easy to prove, they were killed while planting explosives for controlled demolition in Gaza, which is illegal what they're doing in civilian locations.

They argue, first of all, that Hamas fired a rocket at them, which ultimately caused it to explode. And I simply added this thing liar. They're controlled demolition of civilian homes. So before we go in further, have you heard this story, what's your take on it thus far, and, you know, the inner any more of the story? Well, the death toll actually rose to 24, the Israelis admitted in total. So the operation was quite a complex one from Gassam brigades from Hamas.

And I believe soon they're releasing the video footage that they have of it. And so in the Mughazi camp, east of the Mugazi camp in central Gaza Strip, the Israelis had incursed a few kilometers into the area and were rigging 10 buildings with explosives. And they do this all the time. You'll see that, for instance, there is an Israeli soldier, must have been like two months ago now who I believe he was killed actually a bit of revenge for what he did dedicated the blowing up of a building to like his young daughter who was like three years old just sick and twisted you know a civilian home and they were rigging these

civilian homes 10 civilian homes and whilst they were rigging these buildings with explosives a Qasam fighter popped up out of a tunnel one hit a marcava tank an Israeli tank and killed and injured those inside. And then after that, they launched a firmer barrack, a rocket propelled grenade from an RPG into one of the buildings where the Israelis were holed up planting these explosives to tenet this billion homes. I didn't know they had thermobaric from, oh, sorry, keep going, keep going. Yeah.

Yeah, these are domestically produced. So they have different types. They have the different type, but they have this Yassine 105, which is designed for tanks. And then they have, yeah, different types of warheads. So they fired this into the building. And then the building,

because it's rigged with explosives and also all of these Israeli soldiers are inside, it detonated all of the explosives and the entire building collapse, including the building next door and damage as well to another building. So it collapsed on top of them. And they have this very complex rescue. operation that they had to conduct for I think around eight hours and calling in hundreds of reserves to try and, you know, dig them out of the rubble because, and they're still missing and many injured as well from this. So that deft hole could even climb. And this is the thing, like, you know,

if you're going to go and rake people's homes with explosives just to blow them up for fun, and that's what it is, like this whole idea that they're doing it for their safety is just utter nonsense. Why do you have to go in there personally with those explosives? then. If there's such a threat, you can just waltz in so easily. It's such a threat, these buildings. You have to go in personally and deliver the explosives. No, they just, they have fun blowing up civilian homes. And they paid the price for it this time. They learned that when you go and do things like that, those people who are, who used to live in those homes, which you've driven out and forced into tents, these tents of which are now drowning in open fields. And

these people are suffering from disease and starving. Yeah, those people, those people, you having fun detonating their homes and filming it for TikTok. Those people are going to come and hit you with something while you do it. And they paid the price for it. They paid the price for it. Yeah. There's a lot of these. And they're posting them all over the place. That's the crazy part that, you know, where you can tell. And actually, since this is a good time to play it, we'll show this clip of the State Department, right. We'll just really quickly show you a couple these. This is an important one as well. This is a document that you can read, Soldier of Israel's Engineering Corps went on Facebook to share how he and his brother in arms used 300 mines to blow up

a neighborhood. Now, first of all, you could argue he lied about this on Facebook. That's always possible. But in, of course, Conunis, where they're supposed to be safe, a safe zone, they claim, or they're bombing them with massive 2,000 pound bombs as a revenge mission after being ambushed by one Palestinian fighter. And so the point is that you can see a lot of these where they're openly, And this is the example what we're talking about today, where they rigged this for demolition. Now, whether that's because of some infrastructure development process or individual choices to blow up different things, it's illegal at every stretch of imagination. Now, here is what they were saying at the State Department and even Saeed calling up for this

exact thing. Like, look, if you're going to go in the building and plant devices, then you're very well aware that there is not Hamas members in the building. Right. So you're admitting that you know that. And so their own argument is an admission of guilt, as you were just saying, right? So let's watch this. This is interesting.

Oops, wrong left. There it is. Yesterday, the Israeli military occupied and destroyed the Israel University in Gaza. I mean, this is probably number 10 of all 10 universities that they have destroyed. And isn't the assessment of this department or this government that this was a legitimate target? So I can't speak to this individual action. I don't have independent information to verify that, but I can say that we continue to urge Israel to avoid damage to critical infrastructure.

That would, of course, include universities and to ensure the protection of humanitarian and medical sites. That has been something we have urged from the outset of this conflict. It is very difficult, and again, I'm not talking about this particular site because I don't have information about this particular site, but it is always difficult when you see Hamas. Even though they're there helping aim, which we've proven. They've now documented it from the corporate media that they have people on the ground helping them pinpoint word of bomb. Yeah, God, I shouldn't even cut in because they literally say everything that I would say,

which I'm surprised. The state, they, Said and Matt Lee, and they push back in this. Do you have any comments? They're positive already? Yeah, I think we can keep watching it. I'll see how they do. Use those civilian sites to hide its fighters to launch attacks on Israel. But there, you know, there seems to be no evidence that there were any fighters,

in fact, any presence of any kind of military presence in the university. itself. I mean, you keep saying that you want Israel not to destroy the infrastructure. Yet, we have seen almost the total destruction of all infrastructure, including schools, hospitals, roads, you know, all of it. Cemetery. You know, they just, you know, they excavated a cemetery, for instance, and took bodies. I mean, this is not exactly. Tell us in any way that the government of Israel is really paying heat to what you tell them, you know, in any way. by any measure. You're not listening to you. So we have seen them take some steps to add civilian infrastructure to deconfliction sites.

There are other things that we have urged them to do, that we want them to do better on. It is an ongoing conversation between our two governments and something that the secretary spoke directly with the leadership of Israel in his trip last week. But again, there is also this problem that Hamas does continue to hide in and under civilian infrastructure. So when you see a strike against any one piece of a civilian infrastructure to assess the validity of that strike, you have to know what it is that was there. And we don't always know that when I'm... At least I don't know that when I'm speaking from here.

Based on Saeed's question about the demolition of the university, I don't know if you've seen the video. It's pretty widely available. I have seen the video. I mean, it looks like a controlled demolition. It looks like what we do here. in this country when we're taking down an old hotel or a stadium. And you have nothing to say?

You have nothing to say about this? I mean, to do that kind of an explosion, you need to be in there. You have to put the explosives down, and it takes a lot of planning and preparation to do. And if there was a threat from this particular facility, they wouldn't have been able to do it. So I have seen the video. I can tell you that it is something we are raising with the Governor of Israel,

as we do often do. When we see, to ask questions and find out what the underlying situation is, as we often do when we see reports of this nature. But I'm not able to characterize the actual facts on the ground before hearing that response. But you saw the video. I didn't see the video. I don't know, I don't know what was. I don't know what was under that building.

I don't know what was inside. Inside that building. It doesn't matter what was under the building because they obviously got in there. to put the explosives down to do it in the way that they did. Again, I'm glad you have factual certainty about it. I just don't. All I had is what I saw in the video, right? And I think you guys saw it too.

We did see it. I can say that we have raised it with the government of Israel. And it's not troubling to you? We are always troubled by any degradation of civilian infrastructure in Gaza, but without knowing the actual underlying circumstances, I'm a little hesitant, I think for reasons that she's should be understandable to pass definitive judgment on it from this podium. I just, I can't, I can't, I couldn't do it.

I would be kicked out of that job so fast. I'm just, it's impossible. Like, you know, Matt, I would, that's what I would say. And there's the last day in that office. I'd be like, you know, I know, I know you, like, that you're lying. Like, we know each other. Like, it's just so funny that they know it that we, they laugh back and forth about it. Like, it just kills me.

He's so obviously playing this game. And the point is the deconfliction zones, they don't exist. as even some people in the corporate media begun pushing back in those interviews with Elon Levy, which is his name, you know, that they're using the U.S. provided dumb bombs in the area as designated as safe.

It's painful, right? And then by the way, then I'll let you comment. And then here is, I don't want to play the music, the video of this because there's far too many people in my mind that are like celebrating what happened here. And as much as there is some, a little bit of poetic justice to what's happening, I don't think we should celebrate that people died.

I don't know how every IDF member agrees with what's going on in the bigger sense. Nonetheless, they sure is hell posted videos of them making these minds, you know, and laughing about it. Look, it, make a little TikTok videos, you know, and these are the same people that, you know, we're planting and, you know, and they ultimately die. I would add one thing. If you're an armed combatant in a war zone and you're invading a territory and committing a genocide, I would say there's every single legitimate argument to say that person should die, just like an ISIS fighter should die, just like somebody who's going to commit a suicide bombing in a packed area and blow themselves up and blow civilians up and kill civilians.

I have no problem. And I would be happy if a police officer took out a terrorist who was trying to blow themselves up in a packed area and a mall. I would be happy to see that. Just like I'm happy to see people who are committing genocide. This is personally known. I'm happy to see people who are committing genocide be prevented from continuing their actions and to be pushed back and defeated.

That's that's personal. Trust me. I get it. And you have every right more than anybody I know in the world right now, Washington, anybody that I, well, yeah, anyone that I know in the world right now that, you know, that have a right to be, to feel that way. My sentiment is simply that, it's like you look at like from a U.S. military perspective, which is probably the worst argument in the world because it's one of the most obvious terroristic acting entities in the what I can see in the world. And that's as an American. I think that's obvious. Nonetheless, I think we all know there's a lot of Americans that find their way into that. They don't fully grasp what they're involved in.

that don't really have the same hatred Harvard that we know. So that's my only point. Trust me, I'm with you in the sense that they're acting in an illegal sense. So whether they're aware of it or not, they're still an instrument of what we're dealing with. And so, you know,

that's why I would say that there's a, this is a little bit of poetic justice, right? You're planting minds in a civilian location, and the point is they acted. So at the way you should engage with it, in my opinion, would be that say that that was a legitimate attack from a resistant entity, right? I think, go ahead. That's, that's my argument.

is that these people are invading a concentration camp and coming and participating in a genocide. It's a good thing if that threat is eliminated, just like if a terrorist is eliminated. That's my perspective. I view them. They inflict more death. They have a worse death told, civilian death told that they inflict far worse than ISIS. So just as I would celebrate a terrorist threat in ISIS being eliminated so they can't kill more innocent people, In this case, I think it's justice when they are eliminated and that threats eliminated. I don't like some people to die. I don't like it personally at all.

However, if you're invading and you've got a gun and you're coming and you're killing children and you're killing women and you're killing innocent men, I have no sympathy for these people. And I would say it's a great thing when those people are defeated and they're pushed out of those lands. And I would say from my perspective, it's fully justified everything that's a, uh, uh, uh, uh, done in terms of military action against the military target. There's nothing illegitimate about that. And the Israelis try and humanize them and present them in a different light.

And I understand my perspective is going to be slightly different from yours because, obviously, I have family there and friends there. And I know people have been killed by these terrorists, in my opinion. But that's what they are to me. That's the way I see them. We're on the same page, man, like 99.9%. My only point is that it comes down to, and I've said that I've actually even said this before, I think it had to do with an ISIS member situation or like things like like,

you know, Guantanamo is that my mindset is even if, you know, I just, it's just like, it's, it's more of like a like a line for me as opposed to me feeling necessarily driven to one side of the other. It's like a line that I, you know what it's exact good analogies? We talked about the yam, you met the Onserrala movement. Yeah. attacking those ships. You know I'm on the same. I'm on. I agree with everything. I'm just trying to take the line of saying like, look, you know, legally, technically, you could argue they but even then you could argue the other side's breaking the law every day anyway. And so there's an equivalence there. My point in this is that it's like, I just have a hard time in any sense

celebrating human life being ended, you know, but the whole point is that obviously what they're doing is a crime, right? And so I think the way it's being framed by Israel and the United States, some kind of terrorist act, whether it was Hamas or not, it's just so disingenuous, right, from the top down. And so here is what, again, just make sure I'm not saying his name incorrectly, because I was, Levy is the other woman that's involved with the, the, the, the, rape process. Yeah, his name is Elon Levy. This is what he had to say about the 21 IDF members. Ooh, that's really low. Huh. That's too low. I'm going to skip that for the live shot. But here's what he wrote. He just said the most difficult, I wonder why that's coming across so low.

The most difficult press briefing, I've ever I delivered, started reading the names of the 24 IDF soldiers we lost in the last 24 hours. You know, I honestly also have kind of a hard time as, you know, you're literally committing genocide and murdering 25 to 30,000 people over the last 100 days. And you're making this huge grandiose statement about people that were killed in the process of committing that genocide. Like it just, it's hard to feel any, go ahead, what are you going to say? They were killed in the process of committing a war crime. Literally, they're blowing up civilian infrastructure for no reason. It was a controlled demolition of civilian homes. So they were killed in the act of committing a war crime.

Because you're not allowed to just go and blow people's homes up for no reason, just for fun. Right. So, like, that's what happened to them. And then they glorify them. And this is why I said what I said. When they're killed, these soldiers in action, they're committing a genocide. They're committing war crimes. They're not innocent people.

Right. These are not innocent people. They're a military target. So I think it's a good thing when they're eliminated and they're stopped in the act from committing a war crime. I don't think it's a good thing for human life to end. I wish this never happened. Exactly. I wish that everyone live in peace and there could be no such thing as an armed conflict here.

However, we live in a situation of war. And I fully get your argument and the whole thing about the celebration of death and all of that. However, if you're a Palestinian and you've lost your brother and your mother and you've seen them blown bits, into pieces, and you've been pushed out of your home and you're starving, and you see a video of that happening to the people who are doing it to you, not going to be a little bit happy. Right. It's not going to make you feel a little bit good to see that those people that did this

to your family and did this to your home are now being caught in the act of doing it to someone else's home and are made to pay the ultimate price. Look, I get it. Not everyone that understands what they're going in to do, but many of these Israeli soldiers do. and they put out daily TikTok videos bragging about it. It's a society which 60% when polled, 60% of the Israeli Jewish public

because of course the Arab population doesn't agree with it. So they poll them separately. They said that it's not enough force. They want more force. They want more depth. So if the society is that aware and the army is making so frequent TikTok videos, you don't see this in the case.

case of other wars when the Americans and the British go into places, you'll have cases, various cases of war crimes and rape and horrible things happening. I don't think anyone can dispute that. And every war you get that, you get people doing horrible things. That happens. But also then you have your portion of the army, which don't know really why they're there and they signed up for an army. Israel is literally from cradle to grave, raised on hatred of Arabs. They hate Arabs, they hate Muslims. They think that they need to kill them and they need to extinguish their life. And all their political parties are all about this. They can't even accept the Labor Party anymore because they're Arab lovers. The current Israeli president, by the way, ran a campaign in

2015 to become Israeli prime minister. He failed and in his own words, because he was portrayed to be an Arab lover, which is a terrible thing. He was commenting to a Labour Party conference meeting that they were having. He said, you cannot be portrayed as an Arab lover. And do you know what? During his own campaign, he ran an ad where literally there was somebody talking about him. He knows the Arab from both sides, from through the barrel of the gun and on the other side of the barrel of the gun. Literally, that's the ad, the campaign ad for him.

And you can go and search that and find that on an electronic entity. Bada, you know, and that's the moderate, the moderate Israeli president. Public campaign was an Arab lover. So this army, I don't accept the fact that the majority of them don't know what they're doing. I think they know what they're doing very well. And I think they like what they're doing because all the evidence points to it. And I think when we see those videos of them like we did in the International Court of Justice sharing, there's no innocence in Gaza, we're going to kill them like Amalek.

And their leader is saying killed them like Amalek. slaughter the men, women, children, and the animals, and they all think like this. In this case, there are an army of, essentially, in my view, legally, they're not defined as such, but in my view, terrorists who are going there, committing war crimes and carrying out a genocide. So when they're killed in action whilst committing those acts, it's a preventative measure. Now, if an Israeli non-combatant is killed, that's a different thing. It's a different thing entirely. We're not talking about going and like, oh, it's a wonderful thing for an Israeli baby to get shot and killed.

No, like nobody's celebrating that. Nobody's going to argue for that. Nobody's going to be, yes, it's wonderful for a non-combatant. But if it's an armed soldier who's aware of what he's doing and committing a war crime, you know, I'm not one to get up and party and post videos online about partying about it. However, I understand why people would be happy about it. And I think it's a good thing when the threat is eliminated when they're committing a genocide and committing war crimes. I don't think there's a bad thing when that happens. I think it's good that that's that threat is eliminated personally.

That's my personal point of view. I think I think you're very clear on, and I think even from a moral perspective, I think what you're saying is very understandable. To put the best fine point on it, you made a point throughout that I think is the best way to look at it. It's like you said. It's always you're going to find extreme levels of any side of the argument and anything you look at. at, but in a general sense, I agree that for the most part, from a Palestinian perspective, like you're saying, it's like, look, we don't want to be in this position. We're not actively seeking out this conflict, but you brought this to our doorstep. So we are going to respond,

right? And so the point is, in that sense, yes, but if it was put to you, that's the last thing that you would want. And I think that's the best way to look at it is, look, if something breaks into my door, my home and threatens my family, you're damn right. I'm going to act with violence, right? And that's even from like a libertarian perspective, like there is legitimate moments to in defense or even attack for your self-defense. I think that's also an important point. There is no such thing as self-defensive attack. You're attacking, but in the sense of maybe that attack will help you defend yourself,

but it's not a defensive attack. I'm so tired of this preemptive self-defense nonsense that even the U.S. is now using in regard to Yemen, which maybe I know since let me know if you have to get out of here, maybe we can talk about Yemen before you have to leave. Before we get to that, I'll just finish off this one segment here. That just there's other points that I think so you have people arguing, You know, why did 21 soldiers die? Because the idea of cares about Gaza civilians so much that they went in by foot, you know, only after 45 days of mass.

It's like these arguments are so independent of the reality. Like that's the opposite of what's been happening. But so I'll include this. I won't go through it for time. But Knox B-Lah here kind of breaks down in the thread. The reality, in my opinion, right? The reason it happened is because they were lining these with mines and it goes over like the dynamic of it. And the point is it's illegal as I think you.

really well laid out right there. This is just one that I actually didn't mean to include, but since I showed it, this is a rabbi Abraham Zerbiv, an Israeli military officer who says, and you can listen to it for yourself, that they will make Gaza go through the biblical 10 plagues, as Jews did back in Egypt.

Like, let's not pretend like there's not an all of Palestine mentality here, or all of them need to suffer and so on. In communis in general, you're seeing this, this goes into the bombings we were seeing in the controlled demolitions. A lot of it's now being focused. on the very location that they were told to go to, to be safe. And now it's exploding in this area.

And we showed you this a moment ago. These are all their controlled demolitions that you have. They're publicly and proudly discussing what they're doing, that name an entire residential block. So think about the timing it would take to lay all of those explosives, an entire residential block, and then pretend like you don't know that it's completely devoid of anything that's a threat, right? This one was just in the conunis, again, multiple locations of controlled demolition.

and I showed you these ones already. So let's get into, well, you tell me, how much time do you have left, brother? I can stay until the top of the hour, I think. Okay, about five minutes. Okay. Yes. Let's see.

Up there on there. We'll try and wrap up. I'll include all this for everyone to look at. These are just more clips about Conunis showing you their storming clinics, making these little, putting out these little plant detonators in Conunus around schools that look like cans for the children, that it's just disgusting stuff like this that it's happening, very clearly deliberately aimed at innocent people.

And then, you know, mosques and as I briefly mentioned before, I've gone over the history of stealing organs, which is an open discussion from Israeli military and, you know, like even like the medical field. They are destroying both of this mosques are showing, but also graveyards, right? I think that's really important. And I think there's a lot more to that.

But yeah, let's finish with the discussion of, of, oh yeah, I was going to do the hostages. Damn it. I wish we had more time with Yemen, since I know this is an important topic. And maybe after you jump off, I'll briefly talk about the hostage situation. So give me your quick take on where we're at with this, right? And where you think this will ultimately go, because I know we have a limited time. I think this is actually really important.

And I will direct them to some of your recent work that I think is outstanding on, you know, that this is really an attack on the many state and that ultimately Yemen seems to be the only state apparatus, truly standing up for Palestine. Yeah, and that's what it is. And because they've stood up for Palestine, we're seeing that they're being punished now. And every day now they're launching air strikes yesterday. I believe they launched 40 different guided munitions at different areas,

including in Yemen's capital city. And so we're seeing that they're striking Yemeni territory every day, that they have killed Yemenis, including those Ansar al-Lah members who were on boats as well in the Red Sea. They struck three of them and killed 10. And then in airstrikes, they killed five more. And the Yemeni forces, they didn't go and kill civilians. They weren't going and attacking ships that were not related to their specific target. They said, we're imposing a blockade on the Islam.

Israelis. That's what we're doing. And they imposed the blockade very successfully. And they didn't need a deep border Navy to do it or anything like that. They did it with drone technology and missiles. And they've successfully been able to do it. The Americans came along. And by the way, you'll see that Elon Levi guy, that spokesperson for October 7, October 7 spokesperson, the spokesperson for Israel's ongoing genocide is more accurate. He said, he was interviewed and he said that they're blocking the Suez Canal and they're blocking international trade and tried to make this a thing not to do with Israel. It's everything to do with Israel. Ships actually pass and put on this tag, not Israel affiliated and they can go to the Suez. Some companies have stopped going

for the Red Sea altogether because of the danger aspect, obviously it's expensive. And the U.S. has its warships there now. So it's made it even more dangerous because the U.S. and the U.K. have put warships there. they launched this operation prosperity guardian mission without the UN Security Council approval to militarize that area of the world. They just did it. And then afterwards, they got a UNSC resolution, which was past condemning Ansarala for their actions. But it's very clear what's going on here.

And it's very clear that they could stop it. They could stop this blockade in a minute. They could just let aid into Gaza. If they let sufficient aid come into Gaza, they'll allow them to do it. But Yemen says, we have been blockaded, we have been starved, we've lost 400,000 of our people to starvation and disease and air strikes in our country. And we have the worst humanitarian crisis in the world until what happened in Gaza started unfolding. We know what it's like and we will not let the people in Gaza die alone. we will stand with them no matter of the cost. And that is exactly what they're saying.

And it's an honorable moral position. Legally speaking, they argue that because Israel is committing genocide, they're taking the action that any state should take to prevent genocide by imposing an economic blockade from this route. Is it not exactly what the U.S. government does in an legal sense, but claiming they're doing it for the right reasons all over the world, right? On Yemen, for example, with Saudi Arabia, you know, it's like, It's just so wildly hypocritical the way that they framed this. It's just because they disagree. On the map, you're seeing the, you know, the general area here that I think,

if you don't understand the dynamic is, you know, you got the Suez Canal right up here, Bob Al Mandeb straight right down here, and then the straight of Hormuz over here. Now, they're all very, very important choke points. And through that triangle, effectively, they've shut down. I mean, as I understand it, it's been wildly effective in what Israel's able to now bring through. And so there, it's being crippling. It is crippling, you know. Are you, do you have any insight on what happened with basically the long

short of it is that they, because of U.S. actions, they then expanded their actions out to both U.S. and U.K. vessels as well. And recently there was an attack on, you know, attack is a strong word, I think, because as you said, they're not killing anybody. They're just basically warding them away using missiles and so on and drones, but that they had attacked the Ocean Jazz U.S. carrier, which was proven to have all sorts of military equipment. So ultimately, I can't tell whether this was meant for Israel or not. It was going the other direction, I think. But do you have any insight on what happened with that? Well, they hit it. And the purpose of

these strikes, number one is they're retaliatory to different when it comes to U.S. and U.K. targets because the U.K. and U.S. are actually committing aggression and declared war essentially on Yemen. That's what they did. And they committed a violation of their sovereignty. by launching the first round of strikes was over 100 precision missile strikes against different targets throughout Yemen. Of course, Yemen never attacked them. There's nothing to warrant this. And they didn't have the approval of Congress or Parliament to do it. Now, they have this pseudo-legal jargon which they throw out, oh, we sent a warning, a written warning, and there's this emergency legislation or whatever.

But the reality of it is they didn't consult Congress or Parliament, the UK in US for their actions. And so the Ansara law responding, but you'll note that the Ansarala, when they respond, like for instance in this case, they'll use suicide drones and missiles to hit ships, but they're not killing people. Their aim is not to kill people. Their aim is to stop the ship and to inflict damage on the ship, which would be an economic cost.

They want to incur an economic cost. So that's the primary objective there. And it's very clear what they're doing. And they're doing it with great ease, really. And the US and UK are unable to detect where these strikes are actually coming from. They can't target the locations from which they come. And it's been very, very effective. So so far, that's what we've seen, an extremely effective blockade,

which has been inflicted the first ever without actually having a proper navy. Because Yemen has naval vessels, but it doesn't have a proper deep seawater navy or anything like this. You know, this is very expensive. And Yemen, you know, being under this intense blockade. has not been able to, you know, muster up enough funds to, you know, purchase these new, you know, naval vessels. The likes of Iran could conduct something like that. But Iran has a similar strategy of speedboats, for instance, and then using suicide drones and missiles and torpedoes. And so what this shows and this sets a precedent is that Iran can definitely, definitely block the Strait of Hormuz if it wants to.

And if it does, international, the trade, the oil economy, say goodbye to it. Well, and this doesn't just speak to, oh, sorry, go ahead, go ahead. No, no, go ahead. Doesn't this speak to the point that we both been making for such a long time that, you know, this is why the geostrategic control of this area was so clearly important to point to where they were willing to starve an entire country for 10 years to try to force them to give up control of the Bibleman and it's straight? It shows you exactly why, because these choke points, with Iran holding, you know, being able to enforce the Strait of Formos, with Yemen, seemingly with the help, I mean, I don't want to say with the help, but Oman seems to have pushed back in its own way to that similar control. Now they, you know, the Bob Omane's straight. And now with, you know, with using, I guess, the drone, the missile technology effectively shutting down the ability to come through the Suez Canal. I mean, they are showing that they don't need all the technology. They don't need all of the actual military presence. And that's clearly why they've been so desperately tried. trying to do this. And it just shows you that stems from an illegitimate standpoint. And the bigger

point you made there is that Yemen has made one demand. Seasfire. Stop what you're doing and we will back away. Now think about how incredible it is for them to stay, well, we're just going to keep doing that and then pretend like you're the one. It's the same thing they're doing over here with Hamas. Like you're murdering people and saying Hamas's fault. You are choosing not to stop a genocide and saying it's Yemen's fault for continuing what you could stop with one action. It's just, it's, And the world sees this. Would you agree with that? Do you feel that the world is truly seeing this the way we are?

Absolutely. And then look at what the cost is, the cost of keeping that naval fleet there, that multinational coalition there. And many states have seen, and that's why the likes of France withdrew, they were like, this is a stupid idea. And it's going to result in embarrassment. And it's going to incur massive costs on our economy at a time and we don't want to handle that.

So, you know, it's ridiculous from every sense, but you know what this goes back to, and I really do think it's like we're dealing with people these elitist types who have like a narcissistic personality disorder, but it's like on, you know, on a mass level, all these people have it. And it's like a collective narcissistic personality disorder where it's like no one else can possibly be independent

in their narrative of themselves in the world. Only they exist. everyone's part of their narrative and part of their story. No one can step out of line. And for them, they stereotype the people of Yemen and the people of Gaza. They think these savages, these people, these people, these are poor people. These people, they're backwards. They're not civilized like us. They could never do anything like this. And because they have this image in their heads of these people, they think, how could they possibly blockade us? How could they possibly fight back? How could they foil our plans. We have this big agenda.

And the only response they have is a violent one because they can't possibly bring themselves to accept that you need a diplomacy. You can't just be this narcissistic, psychopathic racist that just goes around and goes, we are better than you. We're superior.

We have a superior civilization. That doesn't work. There's a physical, there's a group that is physically imposing a blockade with drones and missiles. And you can take one action. They're giving you the option. Stop a genocide. If you stop a genocide and you create a ceasefire, hey, or if you just let Aden so the people don't starve to death, there's 400,000 people starving to death right now in Gaza. If you just do that, if you just do that, we'll stop. No,

we have to launch airstrikes. Do we know where the airstrikes are going? There's that clip of Biden going around. Is it going to stop the Houthis? No. Is it going to continue? Yes. It's like, they have no aim. And the Israelis are the same in Gaza. They don't have a war plan. They're just bombing for the sake of bombing, invading for the sake of invading and killing and just hoping that they find their prisoners which are held and just killing everything in sight. There's no national thinking here. Again, I flatly disagree. It's my opinion, but I think the Hannibal directive has been proven out explicitly by their own statements by a colonel and multiple people. I don't, I think they're actually deliberately trying to make sure that they don't get those people to come home. Every

single one of them has been a big problem for them. But really quickly, because I know you have to go, I would say that I disagree with you. I think they all. effective against themselves. Their narrative has somehow absorbed into their own mindset and they're buying the lies they're trying to push on the world. Their own hubris has become their worst enemy. And I think that's an important thing to look at. Lastly, Megatron's pointing out that the parliament of Yemen has officially declared both the U.S. and UK governments as global terrorists. So there's a little a dose of your own medicine, right? As much as it's still kind of hyperbolic and ridiculous, it's, you know, it's the same thing they're doing back in reverse. So I find it very interesting.

So we'll leave it there, brother. And I'll jump over and finish the hostages. conversation after you jump off, but it's good to talk with you, man. And I know people value your opinion. I know that they value your balanced perspective on this. And I just, you know, I appreciate your work. And I have another article coming up from you that will probably publish today or tomorrow. So keep an eye out for that. Anything you want to leave us with before you jump off? No, just thank you for having me. And I'll say this. Like, I can't claim to be fully objective on this. But in my reporting, I will state the facts. And it will be very clear when I'm giving my opinion. And I can't pretend to not have emotion on this because this is my family and

my friends that are being killed and subjected to acts of genocide. So forgive me if I have emotion on this. I don't believe. I also, I think as journalists, as journalists, sometimes we have to cast moral judgment and we have to act based upon what we believe is just, what we believe is right. And sometimes that can lead to mistakes. However, you know, that's what this entire channel is about as well. And this is what our work is about as independent outlets and independent journalists is that we want everyone to question everything. That's the motto here. We want everybody to, you know, come to their own conclusions because at the end of the day, not everyone can be 100% non-biased. I don't think that's possible to be completely objective.

Everyone has their objective experience. So I promise, you know, in my work to give the facts and not to lie and not to distort. And I will give my opinion. My opinion is going to be there. But I try and make that very clear. And like, for instance, today I said very clearly what my opinion is when it comes to the Israeli soldiers in times of war and what my opinion there is. Because I want people to know that's not something that I'm trying to say is an argument under international law. law. No, that's how I feel. And that's what I feel as a moral take. So that that is how I'd leave our

discussion today. And yeah, thanks to everybody who is on here as well, watching and supporting. And I hope they will support this work more. And thank you for having me back. Yeah, we've got to do more often, brother. I think it's important. So thank you. And we'll talk soon. So I think it's important in general, guys, that, I mean, it's self-evident. Robert's work is self-evident. He's an obviously objective and intelligent person. We all, as he's pointing out, have emotion. We have passion. But the point is being able to acknowledge that and work in an objective way as best we can, even during times like that. And I think, you know, I think emotion's important. I mean, I get emotional about things all the time. It's very few people in my opinion that can

actually manage that. So let's finish with just one more segment that I wanted to get to today. I was hoping we could get Robert's take on it in general. But let let's go to this ultimate topic to finish us off today. Eli David put this out. And I just, I'm so infuriatingly tired of this kind of deliberate misrepresentation, which happens every time in any kind of a war setting, usually from both sides. We've seen this really interesting dynamic of specifically these like talking ahead people on

social media that just regurgitate the same talking points. And that was actually a point that was making to start today about the 21 IDF members, which you can see right here, it's just, you know, on Levy, IDF account. I mean, just every single one of them comes out with the same kind of package sentiment and regurgitates it. What I'm not even to explicitly stating whether it's true or not. Sometimes that can be the truth. It's still interesting, though, that it's very formulaic.

Same kind of thing here. Now, first of all, we've been talking and keeping you up to date on what's actually been going on regarding the offers. back and forth. Egypt's been trying to work its way back into being kind of an mediator in between situation, but weirdly they continue to work with Qatar, which I think is interesting, seeing as I've told you many times, they've made a statement to not even deal with them at this point when the leadership, the ones that this very account here will point at and say, they're all billionaires because Hamas steals and they're okay with that, even though we can prove as their own statements, they funded Hamas

to stop the Palestinian state. And then where do you think that money comes from? Who do you think controls the flow of goods through. Like they're making sure the leadership stays protected. I think that's very delicate. Any case, he writes, breaking. Hamas rejected Israeli offer for ceasefire in return for freeing hostages. And you know what? This always comes back to.

The reality that they're offering a full ceasefire for full exchange and Israel doesn't even barely even considers this, immediately pushes back, which I commented down below. And then there's some faulty half hearted response of here's a three-day ceasefire for this many people and we'll go right back to fighting. And they say, well, that's ridiculous. Nobody's asking for some temporary pretend pause

to just go right back to murdering the people that you gave a little bit of food to. The point is they're trying to seek a full exchange, which, by the way, is what Israel is claiming they're seeking. But they're not. And so here's what I said. I simply said, liar and pointed out what Solomon Ahmed pointed out, which by the way, they recently tried to censor, but got effectively brought back. It says we can, and this is Netanyahu's official statement, rejecting U.S. Egypt peace deal proposal. And again, this is evolving Egypt because they are trying, they are actively trying to work through back into the process. It says, we continue the war on all fronts and in all sectors. This is Netanyahu. We do not give immunity to any terrorist, except when they

do, though, whether it's al-Qaeda or even Hamas, where they fund them, work with them, or give them a temporary pause. Isn't that not a moment to, you know, the sentiment, the sentiment to begin was we do not deal with terrorists because the point was we're never going to have this agreement until the people of Israel forced them to accept the deal that was there from day one and acting like it was new. This is the same thing that's been happening. But it says, not in Gaza, not Lebanon, and Syria, not anywhere. Whoever tries to harm us, we harm him. Regarding our abductees, we have so far returned 110 of the abductees home and we are committed to returning all of them. No, this is a provable lie. Their Hannibal directive has been

active since the moment this started and their own people have admitted this now. Very, very clearly. I think I have some of these here to go over today. I forget if I brought them up. Yeah, I'll play this clip for you in a second. It's kind of an overview breakdown of the exact point. But it says this is one of the objectives of the war. Right.

To what? To bomb them to safety? I don't see exactly how you argue bombing where they may be held is somehow actively keeping them safe. Their own people do not think this. I'll show you that clip as well, where they raided the Knesset saying, you're murdering our people, bring our people home. They know very clearly what they're doing. And these, and in many cases, are Israelis who actively want to see gods of destroyed, but yet still argue for a ceasefire to get their people home first because they're not stupid. They can very clearly see that the objective has nothing to do with saving them. And even if you think that, it's hurting them up until you can kill enough Hamas to then pretend you can take them home after all of the smoke clears.

that it's it's self-evident they don't care about the people that are there it's at the best a secondary objective but he says i work around the clock but to be clear oh wait this was uh yeah anyway so i work around the clock he says but to be clear i reject outright the terms of surrender of the monsters of humas in exchange for the release of our hostages humas demands the end of the war see the point the withdrawal of our forces from gaza and the release of all the murdering rapist and which by the way, they mean all of the kids and in many cases, just randomly detained people without any charge that have been held for years. The UN, amnesty, human rights watch. They've all covered this. It's been forced out in the public because of what happened. And what they're doing is framing them all

as rapists and murderers, even though they've never even charged most of them with a crime. How does that work out? Only democracy in a complete lie. He says, if we agree to this, our warriors fell in vain. You mean the 21 soldiers that were just killed while committing war crimes? Like this is the kind of manipulation. In any case, in each of time, the point is that he is simply rejecting a proposal because bad guys. When the argument is that we're only going after Hamas, except what you're doing is a wholesale attack on all of Palestinians. It's pretty damn obvious to me. Now, this was what Kirby recently said about how a ceasefire only benefits Hamas.

I think this is a really important point to think about. And as the person said in the tweet, well, what about all the children that would immediately stop being, you know, stop suffering during that ceasefire? Now, you can argue that that would benefit Hamas, right? But at the same time, you have to realize that it would also benefit the people who are no longer being killed. The very same people that you're otherwise screaming, Kirby, that Israel's trying to keep safe. But listen to this statement and ask yourself how these things line up. Kirby is a coward and a liar. If you need no other evidence than this video itself.

General ceasefire, yes. It's the same reason that we have in the past. We don't believe a ceasefire is going to be to the benefit of anybody but Hamas. Wow. Wow. I mean, that really is kind of staggering. And as they said, so 1.1 million children in Gaza are considered nobody. Sorry about that.

hit a start button there on YouTube. I think that's pretty absurd. And so the bottom line is from the U.S. perspective, they're arguing that a ceasefire benefits nobody but Hamas, which means that they're not going to agree to this in any sense. So let me get this straight, John Kirby. So if you do agree to what Israel even half-heartedly and disingenuously reported with, which was a temporary game,

so are you now saying that Israel is offering a beneficial situation to Hamas? And to what end then? So that would mean the argument is they're doing that that benefits Hamas because they care more about the people. Well, then why doesn't that apply to this exact situation right now? Because it's a game of words and lies and all they're really doing is exactly what they're telling you they're doing. Displacing people for the benefit of occupation of the area, continued occupation, more so resettlement of the area. And completely at the expense of the entirety of Palestine.

There's really no way to misunderstand this. Now, if you don't see that the hostage side of this is just more of the manipulation, here is an example. Let me see if this. Oh, yeah, so this isn't in English, so it really doesn't matter to grab the video for you. Here is, oh, you can see it. That's right. I still have it up. As Dan writes, one day after Netanyahu rejected a ceasefire, again, after he rejected a ceasefire, families of captives in Gaza, of the captives held in Gaza stormed the Knesset to demand an immediate deal. Look at these people, guys. These are the people that your media in the U.S. are telling you are fighting to continue the war in Gaza. It says you will sit here while our children die. As Dan Cohen writes,

and I agree, the Israeli government is sacrificing its own people. Look at what they're doing. These are the people that they're showing you and acting like they're, we're all fighting against them by acting for a ceasefire. These are the Israeli Jews pushing back against their government because they're telling you you're letting our children die. And the Netanyahu stands up and acts like what they're doing is a defense of these people.

It's painful to watch. Do you think they care? And let's not forget, guys, how many people have we talked about? Coming back and saying we were afraid of your bombings killing us and then you telling people, Hamas killed us. That's their people coming back from being kidnapped and telling you they were more afraid of the idea. You just can't misunderstand this. And then we have this important video.

Israel wants to kill the hostages. I 100% agree with this. Now, at the beginning, I was much more, I was just, I just wasn't. certain about it. So rightly so, I was concerned about stating that as much because I think it's important. But with all of the evidence, if you, I mean, there's no, like, they're like, you could always question as we always should. Is it possible we're missing something? Is it possible that's more to the story? That's always a possibility. But the main point to make here is with the amount of evidence that we have from people that were there, from people involved with the process, from the

kernel on the record saying this was a mass Hannibal to people at the security head of the Caboots Bay Area, people from the concert. people who recovered from being a hostage, people that were in the homes being bombed, people who were driving the tanks, people who got out of the tanks and shot their guns, all of them telling you that they fired on innocent people. And again, and then you've got people in the military admitting this was a mass Hannibal, that by the way, is still ongoing. Because the point is, these people are inconvenient for what they're trying to accomplish.

If you can't wrap your mind around that, along with all of the evidence, you don't want to understand this. And I think that's what's important. So you can't pretend like they care about these people when they're actively taking action that at that very least puts them in further danger, let alone tries to kill them. Have been told that Israel wants to save the hostages. Captured on October 7th. But what if you've been lied to?

What if Israel's war cabinet has no intention of saving them? An investigative journalist made a bombshell discovery. Filmmaker and journalist Dan Cohen acquired secret recordings of the Netanyahu government pressuring Israeli families to sacrifice their children in Gaza in order for the genocide to continue so that Israel can conquer and colonize Gaza for good. Stick around because I'm about to reveal the sickening details of this explosive investigation that confirms Israel's policy of sacrificing their own people. And you'll be surprised to hear that this theory is supported by prominent Israelis and has been reported by Israeli media. Yes, you'll be surprised to hear that this theory is supported by prominent Israelis.

Yes, you heard that right. Israeli media. Now, I'm sure you've heard about the controversial Hannibal Directive, which is the Israeli doctrine of killing their own people to prevent the Palestinians from using them as bargaining chips during negotiations and prisoner swamps. The Hannibal Directive is a doctrine of sacrifice named after the Carthaginian general,

who was one of the single greatest threats to Rome to ever live. For years, Hannibal delivered blow after humiliating, an annihilating blow to the Roman Empire. And even after the fall of Carthage, Hannibal swore an oath of revenge. So the Romans chased Hannibal across the world, hoping to capture him. But when they got close to doing just that,

Hannibal decided he would rather die than allow himself to be captured and so swallowed a vial of poison that he always kept with him just for such a situation. Israel sees killing its own citizens in much the same way, so as to deny their enemies any leverage during negotiations. Now, while it was, speculated by many in the aftermath of October 7 that Israel implemented the Hannibal directive.

It has now become crystal clear, even irrefutable through Israeli media, no less, that Israel had done exactly that. No, Hanibal, kind of, it was upal, because when we've seen that there's a chateefat, then they're, they're right, they're saying, but what if I told you this mass Hannibal is still happening, that it has been happening every day since October 7th? What if I told you that a major aim of the genocide in Gaza was in fact the continuation of this mass Hannibal? On January 15th, the Palestinians released a video of Israeli hostage Noah Argomani. Noah says that she had been injured in an Israeli air strike and was trapped under the rubble for two whole days.

She also says that two other Israeli hostages had been killed by Israeli strikes. One buried underneath a rubble and the other in a moving ambulance in Gaza. She implored Netanyahu to stop this madness and bring us home to our families. But these aren't the only Israeli hostages who have been killed or injured. According to Hamas, nearly 60 hostages have been killed by Israeli strikes. Several Israeli hostages released by Hamas have described the terror of being held in Gaza, unsure of whether or not they'd be killed by their own government. I've got to all the pizotis of Israel,

pucsies very big. There were a lot of times that I said to myself, at least, I'm going to die from the tilings of Israel and not from the Hamas. An Israeli sociologist and military expert, Yagil Levi, told the Israeli newspaper, Haredz, that Israel is indeed trying to carry out a mass hannibal. The government's decision to attack Gaza, despite the presence of hostages in the bombed sites can be considered an extension of the Hannibal procedure.

That is, an attempt to thwart the continuation of the captivity, even at the cost of risking the lives of the hostages. The obvious explanation is that the right perceives the pressure to stop the fighting as endangering the pursuit of victory and revenge in Gaza. And therefore, the lives of the abductees are another reasonable sacrifice that must be made. A reasonable and necessary. necessary sacrifice to justify the Gaza genocide. Gilad Shalit was a captured Israeli soldier that the Palestinians traded for over 1,000 Palestinians.

In an interview with the Israeli media outlet Shomrim, an unnamed figure who was involved in the Gilad Shalit exchange said that Israel was invoking the Hannibal directive. He says, Hamas expected this to be a repeat of the Shalit case. They thought that they would kidnap Israelis and that we would cave in. State of Israel has implemented the Hannibal Directive on the whole of the Gaza Strip. Now, as you can imagine, the families of the hostages are not happy about this. They want their loved ones to be brought home. They're angry, and they have been organizing massive demonstrations, calling on Netanyahu

to strike a deal and end the war, to save their loved ones, and live up to their promise of bringing them home, which was supposedly a key objective for Israel in this war. And some of the demonstrators are former hostages themselves. And so Netanyahu has been gaslighting the families of these hostages to convince them to sacrifice their own children so that he can achieve his political ambition of conquering Gaza and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from it. You see, to Netanyahu and his cabinet,

the families of the hostages are nothing but an obstacle that stands in the way of Israel's genocide in Gaza. but more importantly to him, they are endangering his political career. In a private meeting between Netanyahu and the family of the hostages, several far-right-wing extremists whose family members were also taken hostage were brought in to try and convince everyone else that their pain should be set aside for the greater interests of the Israeli state. One of these far-right-wing extremists, Ohadzvi-Lapidot, addressed the families.

This is a secret audio recording of that exchange. The outrage, a mother of one of the hostages responded. What Lapidot said next set fire to the room. There's a whole, the government that's put it to see the Israel and the kastkid the Klanit. There's a schachmat, there's chalryl, there's a... But it's not a halyme, it's not, it's a... Now, as you can't even if you're in support.

Now, as you can clearly tell, there is division amongst the families. Yet, after the meeting, the far right-wing extremist family members in support of Netanyahu, sacrificing their children for conquest, went outside and spoke directly to the media, pretending to represent all of the families that had met with Netanyahu. I said to all, I'm very very very love my son's of my but if I need to between the son's

between the abet of the umah, I'm bucher by the avat the home. We're sheder the chock. We're now, we're going to drag the and if it's to accrieve the corban, we'll have to the corban.

By dividing the families and using guilt to dissuade them from standing in his way and then lying to both the public and the media, Netanyahu seeks to maintain his position that Gaza must be completely wiped off the map. This Sa'op, this lie, this betrayal of the families of the hostages of the Israeli citizenry, who are nothing but pawns to Israeli leadership, is how Netanyahu has been able to convince Israeli society to continue the war. Ever since this Saipop took place,

Netanyahu's war cabinet has implemented a mass Hannibal policy in Gaza, wiping out their hostages and removing all obstacles to the ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people. In one case, the IDF used poison gas to kill an Israeli hostage, being held in an underground tunnel. In a chilling social media post, the mother of the murdered hostage, said her son crushed his fingers trying to dig his way out of the tunnel before choking to death on the poisonous gas. She rightly asks, if it were Netanyahu's son being held hostage, would the IDF have acted so recklessly? She went on to say that there is no future for this country after what? they did to you. This poor mother raises an important point. What is the point of establishing a safe home for the Jews and expanding your territory through conquest for your own people if you have to

murder your own people to achieve it? And the Heseratheemn to help them. We're going to harm, and the war is a lot of them. And the shehya a day, he'surad there, in a life, in seyoot, in zevah, the zevot, for just to just, they're going to, they're going to, say, that the after the shudderate the chattofyons. And if not,

then they're just the matter. Just make chakrimed them, mackrithing on them, on they, wittrow, to ghamry. There is so much more in this bombshell investigation conducted by Dan Cohen.

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Here is a many, one of a few that actually covered this, 60 hostages killed, which by the way, as he said, has been confirmed, not the exact number, but by people coming home saying they watched this happen. So you could argue that they're embellishing the number, but realize that this is where this problem is going to get even worse when Israel gets to the point to where they argue that Hamas is withholding people that they've already killed while, for example, they continue to pretend that the Bebas family is still alive, despite the fact that their own father has said that they were killed by ADF bombings, who is still held hostage, by the way.

So why are they still pretending like they are being held and that we want them home when they know well? And they even offered their bodies back during the last post, the pause, which I argue was the reason they broke it short. Either way, 60 different people have been killed and it shows you that they really do not care about who is being hurt to gain what they want. Here's what he was referencing. I just did a recent show on this. Israeli military killed a captive. Ron Sherman with poison gas, according to his mother and is arguing that they are covering it up. Here's a video on the Hannibal directive in general that you can watch.

Actually, you know, we can do actually. We could just end with this video. But before we get there, this is the kind of stuff that we're dealing with. And I mentioned this morning as well. Siberia points out, so Ireland's prime minister has said, I would be a bit uncomfortable about accusing Israel a Jewish state of genocide, given the fact that six million Jews were killed. Like what kind of ridiculous?

and read this for yourself. So regardless of your sentiment and stance on the legitimacy and the number and what happened in the Holocaust, the idea being that because this thing happened, therefore, no matter how severe, therefore you just are worried about accusing them of something that is being proven, the idea that it shows you the way that that is abused and the way that these things are used to manipulate and the things that are currently falling apart in front of us, the allegation that anything against Zionism is automatically against Jewish people or that accusations of the Israeli government and their legal crimes in a political sense are somehow

because you hate the state of Israel and Jews. It's not working anymore. Always there's been an overlap in any sense. There's going to find people that are extremists that hate people for no reason. But we also can obviously see that it's legitimate to point out that Israeli government or any government for that matter are committing crimes. Same point as always. It's not somehow anti-Christian to point out to the,

on it, the U.S. government are committing war crimes. The same point applies. And we'll end with this video in general so you guys can check this out. So thank you for tuning in today. And I always enjoy having Robert Donne. I think it's a very insightful discussion. He is very, very well versed on this. And I very much appreciate his objectivity or rather just say his honesty about, in his opinion, he would argue that there's a lack of objectivity. I don't think he's, I think he's one of the most objective people in this or any other topic, in my opinion. and that's why I want to work with him, even in a position that he's in. I've made that point many times.

There are people far less objective than him that have no stake in this game at all. So I think it's important to continue to support his work and have him on as much as possible to be able to talk about these foreign policy discussions. But I will leave you with this clip about the Hannibal directive. And we will be following up on a lot of this stuff. And there's a lot of other things we could have gotten into today. But both foreign policy and the other conversations we've been having, I have a few things coming up here soon. Other interviews will be doing, so keep your eyes peeled for that.

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That's important to any real, you know, whatever you want to call it, any real society that cares about the truth. So thank you for tuning in today. And I will see you soon. As always, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. Is Israel applying the Hannibal directive to captives and hostages in the Gaza Strip? Hannibal Directive is a classified Israeli military protocol, which calls for use of all necessary

means to prevent the abduction of its own forces, even at the price of killing them. It has been used multiple times in the past decade, most notably in the 2014 capture of Israeli soldier Hadar Golden. Taken into a tunnel near Rafa, Israel unleashed massive firepower, killing him in more than 130 Palestinians. The Hannibal Directive was also widely implemented on October 10, in order to prevent captives from being taken into Gaza, not only soldiers, but civilians. Numerous Israelis who have since been released from captivity said that Israeli bombing was the

greatest threat to their lives. Not more than a shower that we're sitting there, and there I shone of a few days. There was a lot of course of course, all the gulf had to rid me. And after it, in the bough We madele that we're in a few We've got to make it. We're going to, Let's have been more than usurring

More than usurred you? From the booms around, that the IDF doesn't know our location, suddenly a missile would hit. And there were a ma'on times that I'm I'm, ammot from the tilings of Israel and not from the Hamas.

What the thing that's the most On December 15th, Israeli forces killed three Israeli captives who were shirtless and held a white flag. On January 15th, captive Noah Argamani said two others were killed in air strikes. Taita Sviyoszvi, Sharaubi, two are meted from our lives. You'll have this terror of us. To have us. To have us. One former captive told Benjamin Netanyahu,

I was in a house surrounded by explosions. We slept in tunnels, and we feared that not Hamas, but Israel might kill us, and then it would have been said, Hamas killed you. It seems impossible to consider them accidental, but are they actually intentional? According to renowned Israeli military expert, Yagil Levi, the government's decision to attack Gaza despite the president

despite the presence of hostages in the bomb sites, could be considered an extension of the Hannibal procedure, that is, an attempt to thwart the continuation of the captivity even at the cost of risking the lives of the hostages. Another figure who was involved in the campaign to exchange captive soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011 told the Israeli media outlet Shom Riem, we are experiencing the flip side of the Shalit case.

Hamas expected this to be a repeat of the Shalit case. They thought they would kidnap Israelis, that we would cave in. I believe that it will not happen quickly, if at all. The state of Israel has implemented the Hannibal Directive on the whole of the Gaza Strip since the current conflict erupted, based on the understanding that the moment we release prisoners, we are opening the door for countless more abductions. So while the Netanyahu government blames Hamas for not releasing the captives, it appears that it's intentionally trying to kill them.