The Last American Vagabond - Americans Deployed For Israel, Epstein's Smuggling Network & Are US/Israel Losing This War? w/ Whitney Webb

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Starting point is 00:00:40 Friday, March 13th, 2026, thank you for joining me today. Hey, Friday the 13th. Well, I've got a special co-host joining me today to discuss some Epstein smuggling network conversation that I'm very excited to get to talk about some Iran conversation. Marines deployed, but a lot to get to

Starting point is 00:00:56 with Whitney Webb here to discuss the in-depth part of all of it. How are you? Good to have you back here. Hey, doing good, Ryan. And your intro is cool. Oh, thank you. I really, you know, I really do want to just shout. He doesn't want me to say his name.

Starting point is 00:01:10 He's just a fan, like, you know, a follower like the rest, but reached out and said he does editing. And, you know, he's doing that. He's made the IMA one. He's very talented. And it's just honored to have somebody like that who cares about the show. But yeah, I love that new intro. Thank you. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:26 Yeah. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm so glad to have you back on. There's, you know, there's so many different things we can get into. One thing I wanted to start with was announcing something that we are going to be doing on Unlimited Hangout. And so I didn't know if you wanted to give out, you know, discuss that. Oh, sure. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:01:41 Well, members of Unlimited Hangout already know, but we're going to be moving a little more into video because, unfortunately, a lot of people don't read as much. Yeah. So anyway, not only am I going to be doing a video show for people that don't want to read my articles. It's sad, but true. I don't know, just reality, I guess. But also you, Ryan, along with Derek Brose of the Conscious Resistance, will be doing a show for Unlimited Hangout as well. And we'll have more to say about that in the next few weeks.

Starting point is 00:02:19 I'm looking forward to it, too. It'll be kind of a evaluation review of some of the written form articles, which I think is very important because it's sad that people don't read as much. But I also think it's, it's, there's a lot of people out there, even though they do read, it's about digesting the information. And you hear this as well, like, you know, because there's so much information, I get the same criticism or rather just, you know, statement about the work that I do on these long-form shows, where it's difficult people to absorb it all.

Starting point is 00:02:47 So this will be a way to sort of help people try to digest the different important parts and go through it all. So I'm really looking forward to it. Let's sort of be a good show. Us too. Yeah. Nice. Well, let's start with one thing that I wanted to kind of just,

Starting point is 00:02:59 discuss and address sort of like I just set in the table for this point. There's so many other angles we could tie into it. But before the selection process, we had to really, as we've discussed many times already, kind of the foundation of why the IMA was started, as you kind of came to me and see, you saw the, what was building and, you know, kind of developed into this idea of something that we needed to come together to, to, I guess, fight against, resist and, you know, whatever we saw coming. And that was just about nonpartisan objective coverage. And ultimately, it became labeled blackpilled or purity test and all this interesting. Now all this time later, almost every single thing that we were worried about discussing

Starting point is 00:03:37 is where we are. And it's not about necessarily going, you know, Victor Lapp Point. It's just about acknowledging that one, that this stuff was easy to see then. And it's about recognizing who didn't really call that out. And so one thing I wanted to highlight was a tweet that you had shared back then. It's interesting time. He was just recently on Tucker Carlson, as I understand it, you wrote in 2024. One thing I've learned this election cycle is that a lot of people who have claimed to be anarchists or anti-state, excuse me, were really just waiting for the right king to come along.

Starting point is 00:04:07 And Brett Weinstein says you're not even close. Interesting. Just what are your thoughts about that and where we are now? Well, I mean, you could pull up more than one Brett Weinstein tweet shitting on me for not joining the emotional wave of hopium that brought Trump to win the, as you call it, called it the selection process in 2024. And yet, to piggyback off of the point you brought up about the IMA, I noticed that those narratives were getting really pervasive and a lot of the attacks about reasoned political arguments, such as Trump was in power previously, perhaps we should go back and see what he did when he was office last time because he's likely to repeat those things

Starting point is 00:04:53 because also in that election before his first term, he made many campaign promises that he did not keep. Thus, it's very possible that he may not keep them again and that he will instead repeat or expand on the actions he did in his first term, which included, for example, try and start a war with Iran by blowing up Qasem Soleimani when he was on a diplomatic mission in another country. So, oh, and allegedly that was. you know, for partially motivated by religious reasons on the part of Kushner and also Mike Pompeo and Mike Pence and that crowd that was around Trump and the first administration, have times really changed? I don't know. So anyway, I considered that a rational argument and a call to caution about writing on this emotional wave of hopium that was very similar to what happened back

Starting point is 00:05:48 when Obama was elected for the left, it was the right-leaning version of that, and also bringing in independents who were interested in the promises of the Make America Healthy Again movement and trying to fold them into this coalition. And so, you know, honestly, what I've noticed, and there were a few people that noticed this why it was happening, is that during the COVID era, you had a lot of, quote-unquote, dissidents pop up who had, like Brett Weinstein, initially advocated for mask wearing or in the case of people like Michael Schellenberger advocated hysterically for lockdowns and then they get promoted as these sort of dissident figures in the immediate you know after 2020 I guess in that interim and are sort of elevated and then they they

Starting point is 00:06:40 push everyone into voting for Trump and a lot of and there were terrible I think of this push in the sense that it was allowing the neoconservatives to rebrand because you had neoconservatives like notorious neocons like Frank Gaffney for example you know became a stop vaccine passport guy toward the end of COVID and so I think it's it's not a coincidence that these things were happening and that they were trying to seep their way into these movements. And then, you know, the ultimate goal is to direct people towards Trump, who claims not to be a neocon, but quite clearly is a neocon.

Starting point is 00:07:27 I mean, it could it be more obvious. And so a lot of commentators, I think, you know, there's obviously people who were paid, but I think there's people that were really emotionally attached to the outcome they wanted to see and can't admit they were wrong. You have people in that camp that will continue inventing and spinning, you know, just spinning yarn to never be wrong about anything. You know, I call it the, well, it's the Tom Delango model. But there's a lot of other people that have sort of taken that

Starting point is 00:07:56 in different ways and refused to admit that they were ever wrong about anything. And I think Brett Weinstein probably falls in that category. He and Walter Kern basically dogpiled me on Twitter complaining that I didn't like Trump and didn't see that, you know, this belief that it was going to be some sort of like superhero writing in and saving civilization and immediately erasing all of our problems. Frankly, feeding that narrative to your followers was insanely detached from reality. And you should take some heat for that because it frankly, it was irresponsible of you to promote it. And the fact that, you know, Brett Weinstein, you can see pictures of him around with like the bandana and his face, this is how I wear my mask and blah, blah, blah.

Starting point is 00:08:45 COVID. These are people that when the crisis hits and things are very, you know, events come fast and heavy, I don't think you can turn to these people for a rational analysis of what's going on, because they're very easily taken by emotional, the emotional propaganda and marketing of these events. And so he's done that. He did that with COVID. And then pivoted later when it was convenient. and in some cases fashionable to do so. And branding yourself as quote-unquote anti-establishment. And then, you know, you funnel people towards Trump. And, you know, here we are.

Starting point is 00:09:27 And so, you know, maybe you have buyer's remorse now like you did about promoting master in COVID. But, you know, I don't know. I think people should wisen up and follow people like those of us and the IMA and others beyond that, who have not fallen for those traps. And I think what we were talking about beforehand, which is an important point to add right there, is that like you rightly pointed out, a lot of these people came in. And I should state before I even say this, that I'm all for people changing their minds, becoming aware of something, no matter how bad a track record, genuinely be seeing a thing

Starting point is 00:10:02 and addressing the truth. We all should be for that. Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to say that that's bad, just that he's been, he was increasingly he was very arrogant about... You didn't at all. You didn't know. I'm just spending up my point. You said, you framed that very well. My point is that, and we both agree, we all want that to happen. The difference here is that during the COVID-19 timeframe, there was a lot of, you know, just, it was obvious there were people that were either buying it or selling the lie. And at the end, a lot of those people came around to start telling what we always were saying. Now, again, the point is some of them may have just seen it. That's good. The difference is, as you pointed out, when there became like the next big thing we're involved with, let's say Trump in the selection process, those people immediately fell back in and started pushing for the mainstream narrative.

Starting point is 00:10:46 So now again, and this is the point I'm getting to, we were talking before. Suddenly we have this new conversation with Iran and Israel. And these, as you were highlighting, some of the same figures are suddenly starting to do the same thing. Now, you know, when it's difficult, when now is the time. Well, they're jumping ship because it could threaten the, you know, their audience numbers at this time. Exactly. That's exactly. And this is the bigger point is that these people, whether it's just profiteering or trying to promote their own show, why suddenly do this when it's in their interest, not when it's most important to call it out. And you were saying you see this happen. Yeah, well, I think the people that were most motivated about audience, you could really see that during the 2024 campaigns. Because there was this emotional wave. And people that were critical of it, like you and myself and others, were referred to as blackpilled and basically negative.

Starting point is 00:11:36 Nancy's. Don't listen to them. They'll make you feel sad and bad. Listen to us. We'll make you feel good with all these false promises of how Trump's going to come in and be daddy government and save everything for you. And let's shoo away all those negative nancies. We don't need them here. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's kind of ridiculous on it. It was insidious, frankly, because people during COVID, a lot of audiences really saw that something was seriously wrong. And instead of doing anything that could have changed that, they were told the only way to change that is in the ballot box between two political parties that are fundamentally controlled by the same forces.

Starting point is 00:12:23 And that that is the only way to resolve things. And anyone that says, offers any other solutions is a black pilled and inkum poop. And they need to go be shut in the closet. I mean, it was just ridiculous. And clearly, you know, the main point overall, I think is that there are people that do this maliciously, right? They intentionally side up next to something that people are already starting to see after the difficult part is over. You know, we were the ones chopping it down. A lot of people, you know, out there with the machete hacking down the hard parts and they step over the top and go, hey, you know, the big story.

Starting point is 00:12:53 And that happens every time. And it's malicious. I mean, in that period of time, I had tons of people take my work. Yeah, exactly. And you basically pair bonded themselves with my work or my books. to promote themselves and build trust with an audience. And then because I wasn't directing people towards Trump, they directed people towards Trump.

Starting point is 00:13:16 Right. And the reason this is important not just to recognize that there are people that don't fail to acknowledge their past mistakes or continue to do that, but it's where we are now, right? Because now we're in this position where some of those same people are very hypercritical of Trump. And maybe genuinely, maybe not, but the point is to recognize where we are now

Starting point is 00:13:35 as this drifts into another war, all the promise of the Mahar, MAGA are being challenged. And this is important to see because I believe all of this is coming together for a very clear purpose. But on that general idea, where do you feel like a lot of this is going? Is this just another administration profiteering? Or do you feel there's a larger agenda in kind of what's happening right now? You mean where the Trump administration is taking us? Well, I think the best summary of it is to look at the big tech Silicon Valley oligarchs

Starting point is 00:14:04 that installed themselves in very insidious ways in the levers of power via this administration. And probably the best thing you can do to learn about them is to buy Ian Davis's new book, The Technocratic Dark State, or borrow a copy from someone else who bought it. It is the best, most forensic breakdown of those people and what their interests are and what they are doing. And you can read some of Ian Davis's articles. about aspects of that. For example, he did an amazing investigation into the city-states, sort of this idea of the network state and all of that

Starting point is 00:14:45 and how it's just as bad as the globalist, global governance that a lot of people in right-leaning conspiracy, quote-unquote, conspiracy world are worried about, you know, it's that on steroids and is being marketed to those people as the solution. And a lot of these people are overt transhumanists. I mean, they call themselves techno-optimists. Again, sort of a play on that same thing

Starting point is 00:15:10 we were just talking about in the Trump era where like, we're the optimist and boy, the negative nancy's, feel good with us. They'll just make you feel bad. And it's all about feeling, not about facts. Yeah. So, I mean, there's obviously a lot of other agendas at play too, but I think obviously it's pretty clear

Starting point is 00:15:29 that in the Trump administration, there's going to be some type of big switcheroo economically. And we will see the rise of, you know, stable coins, the Bitcoin dollar system, as laid out by Mark Goodwin back in 2021. But, I mean, that has definitely played out. And so I think, you know, a lot of that stuff with digital currency is going to advance. And then we're going to be herded further into sort of this techno-feudal reality. And then at the same time, you have, you know, these other aspects of the Trump administration at work that have, you know, this very deep set, you know,

Starting point is 00:16:11 feeling about eschatology. Like, you know, there's an overlap, actually, if you look at people like Peter Thiel, who's, you know, the person who basically created J.D. Vance in a lab. And his obsession with the Antichrist and all of this stuff. A lot of these people are obsessed with in times things. there's been plenty of people pointing out recently how this has influenced likely the current war with Iran. So, you know, there's obviously a lot of different angles to talk about, but basically, you know, this is not fighting against global governance and global tyranny.

Starting point is 00:16:49 This is going to be a furtherance of the same thing that every administration, whether Democratic or Republican, has advanced since 9-11. And obviously before that too, but they sped it up, you know, the type of gradualism that they practice increased significantly after that point. And the goal was to create, you know, an AI-powered surveillance state that is authoritarian in nature and neo-feudal economically. And the vast majority of us are meant to be serfs. Or rather, if you want to use the you all know a Harare phrasing, we will become, the exploited because it's better than being expendable. So, you know, Trump works for bankers, big surprise. They all work for bankers.

Starting point is 00:17:40 And these banker, you know, cronies, what they do is they steal your money and they use your tax dollars to build your prison. So, I mean, that's, I don't really anticipate seeing anything beyond that at this point. people that have been going back looking either at my work on Epstein or work on other stuff and being like, wow, she was so early. Like, okay, if I have this track record now of like working for 10 years and I've been early on multiple big stories, maybe you should look at what I'm talking about now. And like not just me, obviously, but what a lot of people are talking about now that we're right on a lot of those things too.

Starting point is 00:18:23 Yeah. Well, on that point, and you know, this is something that I see connected to a lot of this. as you mentioned, the network state agenda and, you know, the perinomal's capital funding mechanism. Do you see what you just described as the Great Reset or maybe just a new. There's a lot of different ways to phrase it. So, you know, there's been catch phrases that have been used to sum this up. The Great Reset, Build Back Better, I don't know, there's been several phrases that were cooked up in PR labs that have been thrown around. And it's become infamous at their times and then forgotten about later.

Starting point is 00:18:56 But basically, I mean, Yeah, I would argue that because, I mean, what was the great reset nominally about per the World Economic Forum? It was about leading the world into the fourth industrial revolution, which is overtly transhumanist. It's overtly powered by AI and it's overtly surveillance state-centric to keep us safe. I just think that's really important for the average bipartisan, you know, in the partisan conversation,

Starting point is 00:19:26 there's a lot of people that I think, in my opinion, are starting to see some of these bigger questions that are making them question this system. But they still identify as sort of a partisan perspective. And I think that's important to understand is that it's not one side of the other side, is that it's not one side, but the entirety of our government, if not way way, that's actually trying to initiate this through the partisan angle. And as always they use the other side to convince you that this is somehow the answer to the other. So, you know, I see the same way. Yeah. They always do that. I mean, please figure out that ping pong is happening. Right. And that we are, we need to get out of the, you know, the pinball machine or whatever and stop being flung around. I mean, it's ridiculous. We have to do something different at some point or this will just keep happening. And then things will just get progressively worse. And we'll be arguing about, you know, whether Brett Weinstein was right in 2028 or not or something. thing. Well, you know, the problem, I think the obvious point in like McArthur in control, great discussion, same as yourself, is that this, this becomes the point to make that never possible again, you know, and a new, you know, reimagining our society. So we're in a place where

Starting point is 00:20:35 that's like functionally not even possible anymore with the way that's designed. And, you know, not a new opinion, but it's important to think about where that's going because I believe it's a reaction to people waking up to a lot of this stuff. And in ways that I've never, at least levels to which I've never seen before, in my opinion, you know? And I think that's, a lot because of Epstein and the awareness around that. So let's touch on that and include that with your recent part three of a good series, this article, First Friends, how Andrew Barkas and Emeraldi Sultan helped Epstein build a smuggler's paradise. And so this, for just any general points on that connection between like, yeah,

Starting point is 00:21:12 but let's get into this and tell people why this is a connection to the larger point about Epstein. Sorry, you wanted me to make a point about something. aside from the article. I think I was just given the opening to, if you wanted to make a comment about something outside that article in relation to what we were just saying, go ahead. Otherwise, let's get into the other.

Starting point is 00:21:28 Well, yeah. So just like there was this effort in 2024 to like build trust and then misdirect. I mean, people need to be very aware that that can easily happen again, especially with all of the eyeballs on, you know, the Epstein case once again. There have obviously been people as there's been this,

Starting point is 00:21:50 a new wave of interest in the case. There have been experts that have popped up that have now built followings around Epstein material, even though previously not covering the case. And that's not to say that new people can't crop up and do a good job. My point is pay attention to those people and where they try and lead you into what solutions they try and leave you and think critically

Starting point is 00:22:13 because that is always in short supply in the world today. And we should all practice more. of it. Well, quick question. Before we get to the article, then, just on the general flow, I mean, how do you, do you feel like this was a net positive with what's happened? I mean, I think it's clear that they're obviously dragging their feet and hiding things. That's my opinion. But do you think it was a net positive what they've done so far through the Trump administration? Even how the Trump administration has handled the releases. I mean. Just say clearly the information, whether they wanted it to or not, that has come out.

Starting point is 00:22:45 Well, they were legally required to release some of it. So, yeah, they released some. It's based largely around a single email address, JEEVacation at gmail.com. And I believe drop site news, which is mostly former intercept writers, as I understand it, received Epstein emails from a separate address that they reported on at the end of last year. So as far as the U.S. government is concerned, it's been one email address. Obviously Epstein had several. And I think because, I mean, J.E. vacation, it's pretty clear that most of these emails, he, he used that email address mainly when he was present in the USVI, in the U.S. Virgin Islands, which was his primary base after 2009. But obviously, before then it was not. So it probably won't have the full extent of communications from that previous point in time. And so obviously, in that case, the focus is mostly going to be on emails from 2009 up until 2019, so a 10-year window into Epstein's activities.

Starting point is 00:23:54 Obviously, not all of them, because there's been lots of redactions. And even mainstream outlets like Britain's Channel 4, they're like, this is 2% of what the U.S. government has on Epstein. So if British media, I mean, it's just like, they're obviously not going to release all of the files. I mean, you remember that ridiculous op they did with the people coming out with the binders and being like, we have the documents. And it's literally stuff that they had like already released years prior. You know, they didn't, they didn't want to release all of it,

Starting point is 00:24:27 but they released some of it. And it's very clear from the redactions they were trying to cover up for powerful people. So one of those powerful people who was redacted was sort of found out because it was this person who Epstein emailed and he was like, where are you? Are you okay? I loved the torture video. Right. And then people were like, why is the person who sent the torture video to Epstein's name redacted? And then Thomas Massey goes and finds out that it's a Sultan. Right.

Starting point is 00:25:00 And then so then it was, you know, Todd Blanche, who's deputy attorney general, had to basically say, oh, it was this guy who's Sultan bin Suliam. He was the longtime head of Dubai Port's World. which later became Dubai World. But before that, he was managing all of the special economic zones in the UAE and their port system, which in the 1980s in particular when he was coinciding with when he became chair of their biggest SEZ port and free trade zone, became a hotbed for illegal smuggling, including of weapons and diamonds and all sorts of things. And so if you're familiar with my work on Epstein and I've read my books, he was,

Starting point is 00:25:49 Epstein was, you know, started off his entrance into this, you know, sort of murky world that he is now notorious for inhabiting, began after he left Bear Stearns in 1981 or so. And he basically became a smuggler, not just,

Starting point is 00:26:08 or a trafficker, you could say, but it wasn't, you know, minors and women at that point, it was weapons mainly. But there's this new documents have come out that have shown that he was investigated by the Drug Enforcement Agency for allegedly trafficking or being involved in trafficking networks that were moving ecstasy and club drugs around the United States, which is really interesting because I remember a Media Roots radio episode years ago about Mossad trafficking, ecstasy all through the U.S. in that period of time that Robbie Martin did. So might have to go back

Starting point is 00:26:48 and revisit that now. But interesting, the overlap. So he, you know, but anyway, in the 1980s, he was mainly trafficking weapons and he was also doing a lot of shady financial shit, which had gotten him in trouble at Bairsterns anyway and why they had to let him go, at least the most likely explanation. You know, if you look into it, there's like six different explanations from different people, but the most believable one is that. And so, you know, later, you know, Robert Maxwell dies and he teams up with Galane Maxwell and takes over part of the Maxwell, of the Robert Maxwell portfolio quite obviously. And so he's not, he's also involved, I have argued, with the smuggling and trafficking of weapons through the 1990s, but he was also getting involved through his connection

Starting point is 00:27:33 to Leslie Waxner by using modeling as a lure to traffic women, mainly from Eastern Europe and also Brazil, you know, to high-end clientele. And as I note in this first friend series in the previous two installments to this one, Epstein was clearly doing this as part of a broader network that didn't just involve him and Jean-Luc Brunel of MC2. One of the people involved with MC2 was at the head of elite models in Europe named Gerard Marie, who's been accused of terrible crimes by a litany of former models that worked for him. His former wife believes them. She's like, yeah, that sounds about right. He was never prosecuted. He's French, if you couldn't tell by the name. And so there's a big unexplored angle of Epstein's network in France. The investigation there

Starting point is 00:28:25 pretty much died when John Luke Brunel died in a French prison. And it hasn't been explored. And, you know, there's also a whole Italian angle to this that I talk about in my first piece and also my second piece. They're both about, you know, Italians and Italian-Americans. But brought more broad, but they're also involved with elite models. And more broadly speaking, you know, what was going on with elite models also, you know, it ties a decent bit into Trump as well. He used to hold elite model look of the year contest at the Plaza Hotel when he owned it. And, you know, there's a little.

Starting point is 00:29:00 lot of, there's a lot more detail I get into, but I don't want to get lost in the weeds. But if you read those articles, it becomes pretty clear that this is at least the, the model, you know, model as a lure trafficking pipeline was much bigger than just Epstein and John Luke Brunel. It involved these people as well. And there's been also hardly any scrutiny of what they were doing in Brazil. A lot of women were coming from there. How many Epstein victims do you know that are from, that are named, that are like, you know, that come out and talk about having been trafficked by Epstein, where the Brazilians,

Starting point is 00:29:33 where the Eastern Europeans, the vast majority of the women that were trafficked by him were of those nationalities. Most of the ones we know are, not all, obviously, but most of the ones we know are Americans that got wrapped up in it.

Starting point is 00:29:46 But it was much larger, it was large in size, and it's a much, obviously, a much larger network than beyond just Epstein. And Epstein, as I said, continued his, you know, these smuggling activities in the 90s, 90s, probably into the early 2000s, and he was also, you know, a master at moving around money.

Starting point is 00:30:06 So you don't call it money trafficking when you're moving money between illegal and illegal institutions. But I mean, that's basically what he was doing too as a way to create tax havens for powerful people and prevent them from paying taxes. So obviously, I think an important piece of legislation I would like to see past is. Ron Wyden's act that's about releasing all of the Treasury records about Epstein. That would show a lot of the money flows involved there, but I do not see that passing. I would love for it to pass, though. I would love those records because also we know now that Epstein was advising the Treasury.

Starting point is 00:30:48 I mean, it was actually reported in 2019, and so Mark Goodwin's in my series about a lot of the Epstein network connections to the crypto industry, the chain. touch on that. But in the recent documents, there's like pictures of Epstein's U.S. Treasury badge. I mean, he was involved. He was very involved. And it's important to point out because he was very involved with the debt crisis in 2008. Debt is routinely used as a financial weapon against other countries.

Starting point is 00:31:21 He was a big foreign currency trader. foreign currency traders have destroyed entire economies and wrecked them for the benefit of the powers that be so Epstein was clearly he wore many hats

Starting point is 00:31:38 but he was also doing this kind of financial hitman activity as well and he's not alone in that either so you know as a good example he was close one of the first people that brought him into sort of these elite circles was Jimmy Goldsmith, who was called by the New York Times part of this cabal of currency traders that

Starting point is 00:31:58 were basically destroying economies around the world. He was hanging out with Goldsmith, at least as early as the early 1970s when he was like recent college dropout. That doesn't make a lot of sense, doesn't it? Yeah. So beyond that, another person that was named as being part of this cabal was Joe Lewis, who was recently pardoned by Trump after admitting to insider trading. And Jimmy Goldsmith and Lewis have ties to, oh, I guess everyone's going to be surprised now. The Ross Child family and the Ross Child Epstein Connection, if you had read my books, would not be surprising. They came out in 2022. I wrote extensively about how Robert Maxwell literally came to the U.S. on the behalf of Ross Child's banking interests to be a corporate raider so that

Starting point is 00:32:49 Ross Child Inc. on Wall Street could build its mergers and acquisitions business. It's like, openly. Yeah. They openly talked about it. And it was Robert Maxwell and Jimmy Goldsmith that they picked. Lots of new bombshells today that are suddenly, you know, that were out there in your books or otherwise. It's just funny how that's the new media today.

Starting point is 00:33:05 But, you know, it's okay. I mean, I'm glad the information's out there. But I also don't want it to be misdirected or turned into cue-ish adjacent stuff. I mean, this is real and verifiable and not. Yes. Looney Tune Town or whatever. Some people might want to paint it. I mean, it's a very real.

Starting point is 00:33:23 connection. And it's very important to note that and discuss because the big takeaway from this series and all of my Epstein work really is that Epstein was middle management working on behalf of a tight net network of oligarchs. And the oligarchs are unaccountable. Nothing's going to happen to Leslie Wexner. And actually, Mark Goodwin and I have an article coming up for Unlimited Hangout, hopefully next week that will show you exactly how Leslie, nothing has happened to Leslie Wexner so extensively that his master plan he's been making since the 1980s has basically come to fruition in the state of Ohio. It's messed up.

Starting point is 00:34:04 It's very messed up. So, yeah, sorry, I'll let you. No, no, go ahead. I don't want to keep going. I just want to, you know, it's important. I think that this is obvious, I think, to most people. And that's what I'm curious that, you know, that's why I feel like it's,

Starting point is 00:34:18 even though they tried to not let this happen, drag their feet, lied about it. it is having a positive effect that people are seeing it more changing opinions, I think, grudgingly for them. I think that's worth pointing out. I wanted to ask about the previous point you were highlighting there. So weapons and other smuggling sides of this. So obviously that's the intelligent side of that, you would argue, is that connected to the sort of regime change element? And like, do you feel that that plays a factor in potential we're discussing today? What do you mean? Well, so I don't really know if I can say if Epstein was necessarily

Starting point is 00:34:52 involved in any regime changes. I just mean the practice of the smuggling of weapons, for example. Oh, sure. So specifically with Epstein, a lot of it seemed to have been that he was involved in moving weapons specifically to the Afghanistan, Mujahjidin, by way of Iraq. And also apparently, I think, arming Iraq to an extent as well. This is, of course, ongoing with the Iran and the Iraq war. you had U.S. and Israeli intelligence via the Iran-Contra operation,

Starting point is 00:35:26 really armed both sides of that conflict with the intent of having Iran and Iraq weaken each other. And then a lot of the weapons we gave Iraq, or the U.S. gave Iraq in that era, were then used as justification years later by Bush Jr., W. Bush, to go in an invade Iraq. Oh, the WMDs. Well, actually, some of those WMDs that were, you know, fearmongered about, like anthrax among them were actually given Saddam Hussein in the 1980s from the U.S. And it was Donald Rumsfeld, oddly enough, that was the envoy and point man for all of that. So historical patterns matter here because these people are not very creative and they do a lot of the same stuff over history over and over again.

Starting point is 00:36:12 So, you know, maybe the reason some of us are right about these stories early is because we like notice those. Well, that's often what I point about even just like the week-to-week stuff that I do on the show. It's evidence there. It's not hard. You look at their past actions. You consider what they typically do, what they might be doing, you know, what their interests are, their agenda, who profits? It's not that difficult. We're always right.

Starting point is 00:36:37 But the point is that at many cases, it's just anybody who's being honest and sort of nonpartisan would be able to see the same. And I think we saw that a lot with a lot of these recent sort of, you know, whether like the ICE discussions, for example, It's like starting the conversation that we're, you know, since we're on Mars and it's like, well, hold on. That's just flatly not true. And that kind of ridiculousness, but people engage with it and it becomes the talking point. But that's that's kind of. Oh, yeah. There's a great example of that recently where there were these tweets that got like a huge engagement going around claiming that Tulsi Gabbard is going to like hire Julian Assange as a national security advisor.

Starting point is 00:37:12 I'm like, Trump tried to kill Assange. What are you talking about? It's crazy to reach those things. That would never happen. but it gets a huge reach. There's no sources cited. It's just like breaking and it's more hopium. Like, oh, Trump is actually against the deep state so much that he's going to hire the truth teller guy.

Starting point is 00:37:28 He tried to have murdered by the ceiling. Well, you know, it's just sad. You know, thanks Twitter files for the whole screenshot is evidence today, reality. But that's, that's obvious. Yeah. Well, there was, I mean, they hated what WikiLeaks did in 2016. And so they made it made sure through various, I would argue, success. obsessive ops to bastardize what, you know, national security leak reporting is in the United States

Starting point is 00:37:56 in the public imagination and the Twitter files was the nail in the coffin for that. And what do you know? I think it's very interesting to look at the trajectory of the Twitter files journalists since then. Right. One of them already. What a ride it's been. Yeah. I mean, and it's the same as the finder for Epstein, most transparent, you know, there's got to some accountability here, especially when it's that quick of change, you know, suddenly we're weeks later and it's already clear that that wasn't true. We need to be called out for these things. It's important.

Starting point is 00:38:28 But, you know, speaking of calling people out for things, the interesting overlap of Kushner and all of this, which you mentioned in the article we were just highlighting and the interesting part that just came to play before we touched on some of the Iran parts of this, where, and I was interested to hear your thought on how you feel this played out with Verbeo coming out and essentially saying Israel was going to attack. And so we had to sort of almost same. Well, more recently, Caroline Levitt was like, well, Jared Kushner talked to the president and that was it.

Starting point is 00:38:54 Exactly, right? That's where I was going with that. So it's interesting to see how all of a sudden it's become, well, Israel through Kushner sort of pressured us or lied to us or made us, whatever variation of the argument. It's like, we're all like, yes, exactly. That's what we've been trying to show everybody. You know, whether you think Trump was manipulated or not, which I think he's an active part in this, it came out very clearly that there was an influence mechanism through Whitkoff

Starting point is 00:39:15 and Kushner and, you know, whether Trump is seeing that. or not, I don't know. I was curious where you think. Yeah, this whole idea that Trump is in charge of what his administration does, I don't agree with it all. I think Trump is, the Trump was chosen because he was a celebrity TV host. It's really interesting. And I really encourage people to read this whole series because you'll see again, these historical patterns. The model for the Trump presidency actually happened first in Italy in the 1990s. It was Sylvia Berlusconi. who framed himself as, I'm a billionaire outsider

Starting point is 00:39:51 kind of celebrity now guy and I'm the billionaire outsider, so I'm going to come in as this outsider and clean up the mess and I'm going, you know, and I'm going to run the country like a CEO. Exactly. And Berlusconi, wait, wait,

Starting point is 00:40:09 though, Berlusconi before that, probably tied up with organized crime and a member of the P2 Lodge and if you don't know about what P2 is it was this free Masonic Lodge that was found out to be engaged in subversive activity involving the CIA organized crime in the U.S.

Starting point is 00:40:25 and Italy, which in my books I argue the organized crime syndicate we're talking about in all these cases is the Jewish mob and Italian mafia that teamed up in New York and the head of the Italian mafia got deported to Italy and so that's how it becomes the Italian mafia again. And then the Vatican,

Starting point is 00:40:42 right? And so you know, Berlusconi came out of that nexus and his financial success. The reason he was a billionaire was because of that network. They gave him the seed money for his companies. He built himself up that way. This is a mob maid man, right? Involving, you know, intelligence and organized crime, which have fused, a thesis of my book again. So Berlusconi was the model for that. And then Berlusconi, why he was prime minister, had to leave because he got charged with having sex with minors.

Starting point is 00:41:17 And his wife left him because he was surrounding himself with minors. Bunga Bunga parties, they were called. So I don't know. Trump is also a man that before being a politician had, you know, organized crime ties, specifically to the Simeon Mogulovich group, which the U.S. mainstream media framed as, you know, a basis for Russiagate reporting for a long time because he's, well, he's nominally Ukrainian, but he's a big guy in the Russian mob. But Simeon Mogulovich was a key business partner of Robert Maxwell at the time that Donald Trump was partying on Robert Maxwell's yacht, the lady Galane.

Starting point is 00:41:57 And Simeon Mogulovich got, was able to penetrate the U.S. financial system because Robert Maxwell got him an Israeli passport. So that whole organized crime syndicate a la Mogulovich is a transnational one that spans Russia, Israel, and the United States. And that's why the Russia gate reporting never really had anything meaty to grab on because they left out. Israel part. Exactly. And when it touch that. And so it's really, but it's, you know, as I as I note in this series, you know, the, the part, how it ties into Burles County.

Starting point is 00:42:28 It's the same crowd. It's the same crowd. In Europe, they did Operation Gladiol that Nexus, P2, but they, which was regime change ops and wholesale slaughter of European civilians to prevent certain people from getting elected, supposedly to fight the communists. and all of this stuff. But, you know, I mean, these are intelligence ops involving the mob that go back a long time. And so the Trump model is really not that different different than the Silvio Berlusconi model.

Starting point is 00:42:58 And the first two people that I wrote about in this series are close friends of Trump that are also very close to Silvio Berlusconi and also have important roles in the Epstein network in terms of trafficking. The first one being Flavio Brioitori, who was accused by Epstein's former butler of sex trafficking, along with John Luke Brunel, Galane Maxwell, Leslie Wexner, Eva and Glenn Dubin. He has a pretty good track record, honestly. I mean, he's been dead well before Epstein was arrested in 2019,

Starting point is 00:43:29 so no one's been able to ask him how he knew. He also said Trump was, he also flagged Trump in that. So, you know, important to keep all of that in mind. And the other person is Paolo Zampoly, who's the person to introduce Trump in Maloney, Melanian was a modeling agent. Again, a protege of John Casablancus of elite models and had a lot of

Starting point is 00:43:53 overlap with Epstein in the modeling world and then went on to work for Trump and then a bunch of shady United Nations buying citizenship stuff and then Galane Maxwell's Taramar. So this is a transnational network. End of story. And, you know, obviously it involves Israel, to a significant degree. But again, it's transnational. So the power structure is above the nation state. So it doesn't begin and end with Israel. But Israel is a key part of it because Israel, you know,

Starting point is 00:44:30 has such a huge lobbying presence in the post-World War II era that it's very difficult to criticize them or boycott them. You know, they've made it very difficult to single them out, even when they do terrible things. And I think the transnational mob or whatever you want to call them utilizes that to their advantage all the time because the stuff that's too touchy for them to do in the U.S. or Europe or elsewhere, they'll just have them do it. Exactly. Well, so how do you see all this tying to the current direction? Well, I'll ask this first.

Starting point is 00:45:07 Do you do is the current U.S. government rather just the Trump administration, but it's the same things from before. Current direction. Do you see that as a globalist direction with his. Board of Peace with the new WHO proposal. And then how do you see this connecting with, because you mentioned the whole CEO run country point all the way back then. You know, how do you see- Yeah, that's the technocratic model. Yeah, how do you see-the-techno-king idea?

Starting point is 00:45:30 Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Yeah, well, the running the country as a CEO is pretty close to the technocracy model and the running the country as a CEO idea, yeah, as a private executive. Well, I mean, you know, what a lot of these people in the Curtis-Yarvin-sphere one, is a CEO dictator. I think Curtis Jarvin's pretty open about that. He's hugely influential with J.D. Vance and Peter Thiel and all of those guys. And so...

Starting point is 00:45:56 State agenda. That's the point. Yeah. I mean, they don't, I don't think they self-describe it as technocracy. Right. But it's similar to that movement. Right. In the book that Shvini Vassan, from the former CTO,

Starting point is 00:46:11 from Coinbase, that he describes it verbatim as tech Zionism. That's terrifying to me with what we see in the world today, you know? That's a new term and I don't like it at all. It's been picked up by others in the conversation, you know, but, you know, that's why that's so important to me, obviously, because I've been talking about it and I'm worried about where that goes. But, you know, I'm curious from the internal, like, it seems like there's a lot of the religious Zionism draw or rather influence on Trump's inner, you know, his administration. But is that the same do you think as the larger sort of Peter T. direction because i i think about that because i think israel has its own direction in all this and i think

Starting point is 00:46:50 they may at one some point sort of but heads i was curious if you had any thoughts on that so alley drive so to be honest you know i think like peter teal's antichrist stuff it there's an attempt to there uh to rebrand christianity in ways that are more compatible with silicon valley's deep involvement in the U.S. military, which slaughter civilians, and also the Israeli military, which slaughters civilians. And there's sort of a way, an attempt there to develop a new form of a more violent Christianity, which, you know, most Christians I would think would be against. But they're particularly marketing this, not necessarily to the general American public, but a select number of people in Silicon Valley or up and coming people in the in the tech

Starting point is 00:47:48 technology scene that identify as Christians. So, you know, Peter Teal's Antichrist series, only certain people were invited to that. It was not a publicly broadcasting. They're not trying to sway the public with that. That's kind of, they're going after a niche group there. And then you have Trey Stevens who's a long, well, he's an obvious spook. but he's a teal, very teal-linked one. A big Palantir guy before that was involved in U.S. intelligence stuff in Afghanistan.

Starting point is 00:48:22 But he co-founded Anderil with Palmer Lucky, which is doing a lot of this autonomous warfare stuff. But beyond that, he also created, well, his wife anomaly created, but he clearly runs it with his wife called Act 17. That's kind of this collective in Silicon Valley about trying to bring Christianity. back to Silicon Valley and it's this particular brand of it. Interesting. Yeah. So the religious Zionism thing, I think, is a little different if you're talking about what we're once an extremist group in Judaism, but, you know, obviously it's expanded since

Starting point is 00:49:01 then. But I definitely want to make it very clear that I don't think all Jews fall in this category even remotely. But there is, you know, this particular faction that's very obsessed with hasten the end times. But there's also a group of Christians that's very obsessed with that. And, you know, I wrote about this back for Mint Press, I think in 2019. It's just sort of the history of how that developed on both sides. And the idea that these groups have opportunistically used each other and they don't necessarily like each other. But they opportunistically use each other to try and

Starting point is 00:49:38 hasten the same end times, but they think the end times will have different outcomes, obviously. Exactly. And actually the Christian version of that, the Christian Zionist believed outcome of the end times has been criticized as being deeply anti-Semitic, ironically enough. Yeah. But it's basically, for both ends, it's borne out of this idea that God isn't acting quickly enough. And so we must do things to hasten the end times because we don't want to wait to paraphrase. phrase the uh the the you know the schneerson song um it's i mean it's it's it's blasphemous from any perspective any religion you know what you're doing it's so this is well it just assumes that you know better than god does right right uh like that's gone well historically but these

Starting point is 00:50:30 are also the same people that want to like edit the human genome and like put pig organs into people and are doing all of this crazy stuff in medicine and transhumanism so i mean they're like you know right Many sort of an example of a genetic manipulation stuff, you know, stuff they're doing in Prospera, for example, with no oversight and regulation, you know, longevity stuff. RFK's administration. You know, you can see a lot of this stuff really permeating into this administration, which is one of the reasons why it's so concerning for me how it all ties together with the foreign policy part of this. And so let's touch on that to end today for how much time we have left about what's going on with Iran just from, you know, surface level opinions and, and, you know, about how it ties in with this. or not at all, right? What are your thoughts on whether this is sort of, like we said earlier,

Starting point is 00:51:15 is that Trump being pulled into this because of Greater Israel that has maybe nothing to do with the larger conversation, or do you see, as Catherine discussed last night, this being just explicitly part of the engineering of the larger control grid for a global sense? Oh, you're talking about the war in Iran. Where does it fit out? Okay.

Starting point is 00:51:35 Yeah, so, I mean, sorry. No, it's okay. That's probably my thing. interview in a while. Might be a little going to get things moving again. I don't know. Sorry. Yeah, basically, I mean, just look at Gaza's the template.

Starting point is 00:51:48 So just look at what they did to Gaza. They moonscaped it. They committed egregious, terrible war crimes. And the plan, well, let Jared Kushner tell you. Oddly enough, the person I brought up a minute ago, Paolo Zampoly, who was part two of my first friend series, actually was the original person to come up with. the whole Gaza Riviera, Mara Gaza idea years ago, pitched it to Trump.

Starting point is 00:52:16 But yeah, it's basically, they openly say it's to turn Gaza into, well, yeah, not just digital ID, but they openly say to have it ruled by a technocratic council. Exactly. Digital money, the whole thing. It's literally. Yeah. So it's the ultimate build back better. And Trump is doing it for all you people in the COVID area that thought Trump wouldn't be in on

Starting point is 00:52:36 this. Right. He's using the full power of the U.S. military to murder people so that this can happen and steal their land. So that, I mean, that's probably the goal on Iran. And to another extent, too, the U.S. also engineered this in Ukraine and don't act like Trump wasn't complicit in it because basically in order in exchange for U.S. military and European military support, Ukrainian state assets were sold off to BlackRock and J.P.

Starting point is 00:53:06 Morgan. Right. And Trump is like, that's great. Let's do more of that. So this has been happening in the last several conflicts. It's about going into these specific areas, blowing everything up, destroying everything, destroying people's lives. And then coming back into quote unquote build back better and install these, you know, four IR cities on the ruins. And to think that that couldn't happen.

Starting point is 00:53:39 elsewhere. I mean, I mean, it's just, it's disturbing. I mean, it's basically the message that's being sent is implement these systems voluntarily or we will bomb you until you build back better. It's the four bees now. Bombs build back better. Or any very, very, you know, big beautiful bill came out as well. Like really just shoving it in your face, making the overlap. But, you know, I think what's, what's clear is, as you pointed out, the cohort. part of this, but it's not even just the bombs. It's, as we see with some of the more amenable countries that maybe don't want to go directly in that direction, it becomes sort of do this or we're going to find an investigation somehow of your government, or suddenly

Starting point is 00:54:21 we're going to remove you need, or, you know, these just dishonest tactics across the world today, just coercing people into this direction, you know, and so interesting, I'm glad you, I'm glad this is becoming something that's getting more discussion because I think it's very clear that this is what we've all worried about, you know, whether I mean, let me ask you this then, too. Do you think Trump is aware of that? Do you think he's consciously aware of this agenda or is he being used in that? I don't think it matters.

Starting point is 00:54:46 He's the apprentice host of this dystopian reality we're living. I agree with that. He's there to be the public face, the reality TV face of all of this. I don't think he's making the decisions. I don't either. But the reason that's important, I think, is because I wonder if that, with what we know about him. I mean, you could read his books. You can understand he is clearly the same person.

Starting point is 00:55:09 always been. He's very narcissistic. In the art of the deal, that whole idea comes from Roy Cohn, his mentor. Again, go back to my books out almost four years ago, which was all about the whole idea of art of the deal is backdoor deals with shady organized crime figures about how to make more money for the billionaires. Right. Right. What do you think Trump's deals are about? Yeah. Well, I mean, so if you have a person like that who is being manipulated, and is allowed to think he's in control, right? That's how I would read that. But Jared Kushner comes and it's like,

Starting point is 00:55:44 tank your whole base and make voters hate you in the middle of a major affordability crisis and invade Iran, please. And Trump is like, oh, you say clap, I will clap like a seal. Okay, but Jared Kushner, do you think this is the guy

Starting point is 00:56:01 that's really running shit and he's like in charge of what's happening in his government? He works for, the transnational, let's call it a corporation, that's really what it is. Right. And what's telling, I mean, I really like to point out this quote to people because I think it's very revealing and how long this has been going on. In the early 1970s, Samuel Pissar, who's Anthony Blinken's stepfather, but also was Robert Maxwell's super best bud and lawyer and close friend in part of that whole mob nexus of which Maxwell was, you know, part and helped build.

Starting point is 00:56:40 So the same Epstein network we're talking about, but well before Epstein, obviously, because this is the 70s. Samuel Pissar testified before Congress about the rise of what he called the trans-ideological corporation. And what he described that as is the multinational Western Corporation is going to joint ventures with all of the state-owned companies, not all of, but a lot of the state-owned companies in communist countries. and what they're doing is creating an economic structure that is making the nation state irrelevant.

Starting point is 00:57:12 And that this is what is running the world now. And he told this in the early 70s and he told this in front of the U.S. Congress. And someone was like, so do you think this is bad? He was like, not necessarily, you know. I mean, it's the most in your face thing ever. This is the Nixon era. Right. That long a plan, it seems.

Starting point is 00:57:34 at least the transition away from something that they realized. Well, I mean, their power. After Nixon, who came in, it was Jimmy Carter, right? Or no, there was Gerald Ford in there, but he wasn't elected. And I think Romsfeld served in his government the first time, right? So it's obvious who he was. But then you have Carter, who's full of trilateral commission people.

Starting point is 00:57:53 Basically, his whole administration run by that. You have Reagan, which is really Papa Bush, that does Iran contra in the Franklin scandal. And like all of these prom. all of these insane crimes, BCCI, which actually started in the 70s with the CIA back then. And then, you know, the 90s, you have Bush Senior Clinton, but I mean, it's a constant progression of these, of these, of this club. Right. All these politicians are owned by them. And, you know, back in the 70s, people thought leaders actually ran things.

Starting point is 00:58:29 And then this guy told Congress, no, it's these, it's these corporations and they fused. with the corporations of the communist block, and this is what's running the world now. And I think... So go ahead, please go ahead. Well, I think if you look at it, it's very obvious, that's the case. I think the whole idea that multipolarity is a real thing that, like, China and Russia offer any real challenge to this end game

Starting point is 00:58:53 that the West is having of going to technocracy. It's very obvious that they've all adopted it themselves, and China's the model for it. So it's an interesting... So China's going to save us from... a model it helped perfect. No. Right. In Russia's full steam ahead on CBDCs and digital ID and all of this stuff,

Starting point is 00:59:13 like you're not escaping it by cheering on foreign countries that you think are nominal U.S. adversaries. And it's a convenient narrative for building infrastructure of the prison, or if you want to use Catherine's term, the digital control grid. Like right now, the whole narrative about why we have to build AI mass surveillance in the United States. and fill it with autonomous lethal drones is because China. We have to beat China in the AI race. But the people that are building in Silicon, you know,

Starting point is 00:59:47 in Silicon Valley have tons of business interests in China. I mean, Elon Musk is a perfect example, but also Google, also Microsoft, like all of these guys. It's the same on all these points. And it's the same mob. Like, why was Epstein on the, on the, the very important Microsoft Russia trip in 1998. And he's pictured in Russian classrooms with top Microsoft executives,

Starting point is 01:00:14 presumably looking for young talent with Nathan Merbold, who's the chief technology officer of Microsoft. I mean, I don't know. That is the transnet ideological corporation right there. It's like they're all, the corporations run everything, but who runs them? it's this oligarchy. Right.

Starting point is 01:00:36 And the point is you can see, though, that kind of hypocrisy, the blindness from all these, like Larry Fink being very close to Trump's inner circle, but yet BlackRock was his money manager. Right. But they're still framed by the people that support him as sort of like the bad, evil thing. Jones will do a whole expose on how BlackRock is, but, you know, it's so it's a weird deviation, but what you're really hard on.

Starting point is 01:00:55 But Larry Fink advised Trump's entire economic response to COVID. Right. Stephen Mnuchin called him like 19 times. in like a very short span. It's just like, Larry, what do I do? Oh, okay. I destroy the economy. Gotcha.

Starting point is 01:01:12 So you can buy it? Great. I just find it really interesting that what you're describing is hypothetically the idea that the communist elements are essentially driving the change of our society

Starting point is 01:01:23 and that's being supported by the people claiming they're fighting those things. It's just a, I mean, what that really speaks to is the idea that all of what we deal with in the world is somewhat a show. I think we really should be concerned.

Starting point is 01:01:33 I mean, all the fear mongering about communist China, China has a ton of billionaires. They're an authoritarian capitalist society. Right. I mean, they don't hate capitalism. Are you kidding me? I mean, even in Catherine, it's called Trump the most anti-capitalist president in history. You know, and there's plenty of points you made about what they're doing behind the, you know,

Starting point is 01:01:51 it's just an interesting time to stand back and question all of what we're looking at. And again, that's why I think this is sort of this transition that's taking place because people are just kind of waking up from it all. We're tired of this. It's been one cycle after another, and I think people are just starting to see it, you know? Yeah, well, I think the Epstein files have been good for revealing, at least to some people, the nature of the, of how things really function and that there's a group operating above the visible group, but there could easily be groups operating above that. We just don't have the visibility into it. Right.

Starting point is 01:02:23 But stop thinking that this is something you're going to resolve only at the ballot box. If you want to spend one day every four years voting because you think it's important, I don't care. That's fine. But if you think that's the only thing you need to do, yeah, I really don't agree with you. I think there's a lot that everyone needs to do personally, you know, like try and shore up their local communities or like develop. If you don't want to participate in this digital currency crap, you know, build local community in. and try and develop your own parallel economy with people close to you. I don't know.

Starting point is 01:03:04 I mean, there's not a lot of easy solutions to these problems. And that's because for many decades, people have not spoken up when they should have. And things were swept under the rug. And then, you know, back in the day,

Starting point is 01:03:19 people were killed to keep, you know, certain information from becoming public. I think now they just can algorithmically bury it or smear people or delete people's accounts and disappear them online now that all discourse is online, you know, it's a little bit of a different game. But yeah, it's, you know, people have to make, we'll have to make hard choices with what's coming. And we should be talking about, I mean, people should openly acknowledge that instead of being like, don't listen to those negative nancies.

Starting point is 01:03:54 You know, this can be solved by voting for J.D. Vance. in 2028. It's coming. You know, and I, but I think, you know, all these people that are like off the Trump train now

Starting point is 01:04:03 will hop on the Vance or Rubio or whatever train it is in a few years. But mark my words, it will be noticeably less. And I think we can only hope. I think it's noticeably less that are, you know, I think they can see that these agendas, like I was joking about this other day.

Starting point is 01:04:19 And this has happened before with this topic, but I see it. Others too. But they basically come out for what the 15th time and go aliens are real. And we're like, whatever. Let's get to the next story. We still believe you right now.

Starting point is 01:04:30 Well, I mean, they're going to throw the kitchen sink at everybody if they feel like they're losing control. So that's what the alien thing, I think, has just been kind of simmering there. I agree. Sorry, I don't want to trust the Department of the U.S. government that just blew up an Iranian girl school because it listened to the wrong fucking AI about aliens. I'm sorry, I don't really trust what they have to say about aliens. Right. They're war criminals. I don't trust them.

Starting point is 01:04:59 If anything, they probably work with the aliens. If they're, I don't know. Like, it's just ridiculous. I just think it's a huge distractionary thing. And they try and back to what we were saying about leaks based journalism and how the Twitter files like was meant to manipulate that. I think a lot of times and even to an extent with, you know, some of the Epstein files, even, it's to keep our eyes off of other things.

Starting point is 01:05:25 And so when they release, you know, so when the Epstein files, I don't know if you remember was getting inconvenient for the Trump administration a few months ago. Pete Hegseth was like, we're going to release the UAP files. Right, right, exactly. The alien files are going to release them. And then you can pour over that on the internet why we literally destroy your world and eat, you're in money. I mean, it happens every time. You know, there's some level of kind of reaction.

Starting point is 01:05:49 Right now the mainstream alternative media kind of does it for them with every, you know, whatever else they want to point to. But I'll include for the show notes and for the podcast, a great article written by Kibork. Macy and from. Oh, yeah. ...anal analysis, which he was just kind of getting on what, you're touching on what you were highlighting there

Starting point is 01:06:03 is this growing awareness of, like, the real function, the way our society's actually function. And it's not government. You know, there's something above all of this. And whether, as you said,

Starting point is 01:06:13 it goes even more layers above that, it's that people are just finally starting to go, okay, you know, I'm seeing what you're talking about, right? It's like, or people that read your books a long time ago.

Starting point is 01:06:21 And like I was saying, just had trouble kind of, you know, there's so much information are now beginning to speak and tells. And they go, okay, Now I can see exactly the reason there my work is so infodense is one when I go on an interview to talk about them and people are I mean I used to get the criticism that there's not enough sourcing like you're saying stuff but where are your sources? Read my written stuff if you want the sources you know that's why it's there but now I have people being like I can't read an article I know some of my articles are long but even if I read one that's like 20 minutes people are like what are the or 10 minutes what are the key takeaways that's like Brock what is this article about? Yeah, it's frustrating.

Starting point is 01:06:58 But I think it needs to be long. And this is the reason my show is all, these things are not something you can, you know, if you want headlines and talking points, there's plenty of people out there repeating discussions, you know, and that's necessary for some people that don't have time. But to understand these things and not just repeat points, but to understand them and be able to articulate and discuss,

Starting point is 01:07:17 you need the long form conversation. You need to win. I mean, it's important, you know, and I think, again, I think most people are very much aware of that today. Well, let's end with just generally speaking, the Iran points on this where I don't know how much time you'll have just a couple more minutes we can touch on Iran to wrap up here what's the time your time right now uh 2.32 for me okay I'm changed well I'm just on the world at a time change and Chile has its own daylight saving so I'm like

Starting point is 01:07:47 oh my God what time is it I'm so frustrated with the time the daylight savings times daylight savings time but all was going to end with was just you know we're so we already discussed really but the point was that we have examples of Marines now being deployed, right? And the argument more about guiding ships through the path. But look, I argue that we know there are boots on the ground and have been long before this. And I think that's very clear now from a lot of different angles. But now we actually have their Marines headed to the Middle East conversation. And that's for Israel, guys.

Starting point is 01:08:16 That's not even debated. It's clear what they're telling you they're trying to do right now. And I think right now it's obvious this is all kind of coming down. You know, people are starting to see through this. I don't know if anybody can tell for, you know, no, for sure. sure which sides effectively winning, you know, all that kind of stuff. But I think it's worth questioning a lot of this. And I'm of the mind right now that the way that they set this up, the way that they, I mean, almost set themselves to fail, quite frankly. And I, you know what

Starting point is 01:08:42 out there, what I think that's driving from, that ultimately I think it's Iran playing the long game. I think we can see that slowly starting to become clear with the weapons, transactions are doing, and so on. But just overview from your opinion, you know, where do you see this going, you know, in regard to Iran, do you think this is, if you have any thoughts on it all, just let me know if you think that that's going to continue, it's going to stop. What do you think? I mean, it could go one of two ways, obviously. And I'm not really, I'm, I just want to be really honest. I'm not really sure how it could play out. Like I said earlier, I think if the U.S. succeeds and what it's trying to do there, Gaza is the absolute model for what the U.S.

Starting point is 01:09:21 and Israel hope to install. It's been very clear that Trump plans, he's already said, plans to select the new leader. They've claimed any way that they've intentionally targeted any sort of leadership candidate of Iran, you know, since this started. But also, you know, military assessments going back, you know, over the several iterations we've had of, you know, Netanyahu getting in front of the UN with like the red bomb diagram being like, they're this close to a bomb. We should invade. The U.S. should invade, you know, all of that. I mean, that's been going on a long time. And assessments back then, you know, pointed to how Iran is much more difficult to invade

Starting point is 01:10:07 than, you know, Iraq, for example. And that, you know, both for geographical reasons and political reasons, you know. So the idea that it was going to be solved just by like a week of, you know, aerial bombings, if the goal really was to, you know, install a U.S. Israeli puppet. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense that it would eventually move to a different phase. I hate that it's happening. It's just so annoying to me because so many people that were like anti-neocon cheerleaded this administration on and acted like a vote for Trump was the anti-neocon vote. And it's just so frustrating because if you looked at the first administration,

Starting point is 01:10:58 should have been clear, you know, he does what Sheldon Adelson wants for the foreign policy angle. And now Sheldon is dead and Miriam is there. And it's the same crap. And, you know, a lot of innocent people are getting blown up. And, you know, our government is obviously doing it. They're complicit. and behind them are the big tech warlords,

Starting point is 01:11:25 like Peter Thiel, chairman of Palantir. I know people have tried to downplay his involvement. Yes, he dumped some shares. As far as I know, he's still chairman of the board and has been, and he created that company.

Starting point is 01:11:38 Influency. Yeah. Yeah. And Palmer Lucky of And Anderill, who is, like, mad that, like, wired says he's, like, a bad person in Silicon Valley. Yeah, you're a fucking war. Lord, dude.

Starting point is 01:11:53 Right. And you're taking humans out of, I mean, think about how many war crimes the U.S. committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. And like, people went to prison for revealing them. And that was when there was only human oversight. Imagine the world that people like Palmer Lucking are building where they want it to be 100% autonomous. And AI regularly hallucinates.

Starting point is 01:12:19 And we know that the Pentagon under Trump has been used. using AI to pick who to target. In American AIs, we're chosen to, you know, we're used to choose targets in Gaza. And look what happened there. That's the model right there. And the Iranian girl school. I mean, this is, it's so criminal.

Starting point is 01:12:39 It's hard to describe. It's hard to even really wrap your mind around without just feeling sick to your stomach. And I just, I hate this is where we're at in the COVID era. I had so much hope that people would figure out that these people were bad. And here we are. And I don't know. Mass murder is not the solution.

Starting point is 01:13:02 And the whole model that we talked about earlier of its coercion or it's bombing and it's leading us all to, you know, all pressuring national governments around the world to adopt these systems that are going to be used to impose technology. feudalism, so we're not just seeding national sovereignty formally. The goal is to have us seed our sovereignty, even the sovereignty over our own bodies, if this gets far along enough. You know, it's being done by blowing children and innocent people to bits. And it's sick. And I think people that think these bombings are a good thing are either heavily propagandized or sociopathic. Yeah, I agree entirely.

Starting point is 01:13:54 But to end with the, you know, the positive point that I do very much seeing this, and it's not just trying to, you know, be like wishful thinking, is that I agree with you that, you know, there's been ups and downs and let downs for sure. But this last transition has been different, at least from my perspective. And from the time I've been doing this, and I very much do feel, and I hope, I hope I'm not wrong, you know, I just have hope for where it goes, but that people are genuinely in a different place than they were over the last few times. I think the COVID-19 time frame had a very big effect on that.

Starting point is 01:14:25 But I think October 7th, more than anything forward, the way they handled that, I think it changed the entire game. And I think now I'm hoping that we're going to see this start to change in that degree. I mean, there's always going to be new agendas, new lies, new Q&ONs and Russia Gase and whatever else. But I think there are more on guard than ever to that. And that's hopefully with us here and now, everybody out there doing this in an objective way, that we will see a positive change if we keep fighting this. And I'd like to believe we have that opportunity right now, you know.

Starting point is 01:14:50 So put a little bit of a positive. note on it. I really do think that. Yeah. Thanks for the positive spin. Sorry, I just, uh, really don't like war. And so I think it's very, I just, I, ugh. Um, it's, it's, I, I, I, it's, I, I, it's, I, I, it's, I, it's, I, it's, it's, I, and I, yeah, why not? Yeah. They're so obviously trapped in this, at least, at the very least, because they don't want us to see who's actually, you're actually, actually calling the show. Well, they don't want to admit it, but this is why the Trump administration, when they chose their cabinet, they put in people that were like either TV show hosts or like popular podcast influencers. It was people who had trust with the base. And so when they deliver the message

Starting point is 01:15:36 of we're invading Iran, they would be like, that's fine. Tulsi Gabbard's anti-war. So if she says we have to go to war with Iran and we do it and blah, blah, blah. That was why they wanted to Matt. We have to. Gabbards their token. And I'm sure she sees that about. herself right now or maybe she's never been genuine but like a mass i don't trust any of these people so we shouldn't question we should question all of them all the time that's what we do right we have to like even like i said with a massey like i'll continue to point out like his consistency thus far in this conversation and but i would probably never i mean i don't think we ever should trust yeah my my biggest worry about someone like thomas masy is if they wanted to try and do the hopium

Starting point is 01:16:17 thing in twenty twenty eight they would tack him on a ticket and maybe they would make him a lot of promises. Maybe he, you know, maybe he really is a genuine guy. But the idea that we can only fix this at the ballot box, I don't think is true. And you could hoodwink a lot of people into thinking that is true if you were to run someone like him or, you know, some people have hypothesized a bipartisan Rocana Massey ticket. Yeah. Um, wait for that.

Starting point is 01:16:48 Yeah. So I would, again, it's important. the people who are building trust right now, even if it's through accurate reporting, you got to pay attention to the potential misdirection that's coming at the end. Because a lot of these people that are building trust right now are lifting the work of others to build that trust, or at least building off of it and not really citing it. I mean, that's not just true for Epstein. That's true for some digital currency reporting and other things that are going on right now.

Starting point is 01:17:16 As a result, the amount of people I trust in Alt Media has, dwindled. Wow, a lot, but, you know, that is what it is. Yeah, I mean, it's, at least we can, you know, I mean, I agree with you. I think a lot of people are getting there, you know, but I think right now the questioning is important. So I'm glad that that's where people are getting to. So thank you for joining me. I can't, I can't complain about it. No, I still have a 10 minutes. Okay. Yeah, well, no, let's get into one more point then. So let's, um, well, we didn't talk a ton about my article. So if you don't mind, I'll give people the quick, you know, brief rundown. So I think all we really established, I got like on a tangent there, sorry, about the earlier

Starting point is 01:18:02 iterations of the series. It is a thing that happens when we are on the same stream, Ryan. I don't know. Years of practice. But yeah, so basically, we already established right that the torture video redacted Sultan guy that the Trump administration was protecting is one of the subjects of this article. As you can see there, there he is. He was a business partner of Trump. Trump's first involvement in the United Arab Emirates first business venture was with a company Suleem controlled called Nakhiel and they were going to build Trump Tower Dubai and it only fell apart because of the 2008 financial crisis because Andrew Farkas and most likely Jeffrey Epstein had them create a secondary mortgage market, which parked a bunch of money in the Cayman Islands and it will

Starting point is 01:18:56 create it all this crazy mortgage-backed security crap that exploded in 2008, obviously in the United States in a huge way, but also in Dubai, completely thanks to this system that Andrew Farkas built at the same time he was hanging around Epstein, who had also helped Park Bear Stearns, toxic mortgage debt in an offshore vehicle in the exact same timeline. So very interesting there. Such great. It's insane. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:19:25 But this is a fraction of what I talk about in this. And so I want to bring, so basically the reason it's titled this way is because Andrew Farkas was instrumental in Epstein establishing the system he had in the USVI, particularly the marina he. used to establish his private telecommunications connections, including the surveillance cameras that were likely used to blackmail people on the island. All to point back to this marina that Andrew Farkas co-owned with Epstein. And Epstein, we don't know how much money either of them paid for it, by the way.

Starting point is 01:20:04 But they were co-owners. And Epstein also had two of his businesses parked their financial trust company, which later turned into Southern Trust Company, and it employed the wife of the USVI Prime Minister at the time that Epstein moved his primary base of operations to be in the USVI. And she was a huge fixer for him. And those companies were tied to criminal activity in these past USVI lawsuits that were settled out of court. And what he wanted to do with one of those companies was recruit teens from the USVI and have, them run all the AI servers of the company for it. It was like a financial algorithmic

Starting point is 01:20:47 AI trading firm and also involved in like biomedical algorithmic stuff. And he wanted kids to run it, which is weird when you're dealing with someone like Epstein who's both a pedophile and a transhumanist. And she was helping Epstein get student visas for trafficked girls at a USVI university that they weren't actually attending. So what do you think she also did why her father was prime minister or father sorry husband was prime minister um i'm not i can't believe i'm saying prime minister governor usvi is a u.s. i'm sorry uh i will get rid of these mistakes at some point when i'm back in the flow of interviews a little bit more sorry about that um but it's it's very messed up and actually uh the prime the governor in question had to resign because he got caught in this corruption

Starting point is 01:21:37 embezzlement scandal that intimately involved people from like the Obama in Clinton spheres, which is interesting. And there's a really good article by Corey's Diggs that I cite in here for more information about that specifically. It's very crazy. But in addition to that, you have the Benzulium angle. And it's important. The reason Farkas and Benzulium are both included here is because they're a longtime business partners. They go everywhere together since like 2002 when they were introduced. They were introduced by a close friend of Trump named Sol Kursner. who is part of the South African, I guess, real estate hotel dynasty that have a lot of suspect connections, as noted in the piece.

Starting point is 01:22:24 But Benzulium, as I mentioned earlier, was basically in control of a huge portfolio dealing with freight and also marinas and ports around the world. And Farkas also controls most of an insane amount of marinas, mainly for large yachts around the world. And one of the reason he got in the yachting business was because billionaires with giant yachts, like Leslie Wexner and his yacht, the limitless, had boats that were so big they couldn't go into existing marinas. So his marinas serve in particular this upper class with their giant ass boats. and they're connected to traffickers. Okay. And so the Ben-Suliam guy, if you look at his recent releases with Epstein, he's talking about, and Farcus too,

Starting point is 01:23:15 they're talking about, can I, you know, trading masseuses and the girls. And Farcus was photographed on a yacht with Epstein, John Luke Brunel, and women who were most likely trafficked knowing what Brunel and Epstein did together. And in Ben-Suliam, in his communications about women, and the torture video, I mean, It's very clear that something very dark was going on between these men. But beyond that, you have to look at what they were, what they controlled and that they also have this background in criminal activity and also Epstein's own past in criminal activity.

Starting point is 01:23:48 And as I noted earlier, what was Epstein doing? He was smuggling and moving stuff around. It went from weapons. It went to women. But basically, you know, he also corrupted and cultivated a lot of customs officers, both in Florida. and in the USVI, he could move anyone or anything anywhere. Right. And Farkas and Bensulium could help him do it.

Starting point is 01:24:12 And they have a track record of doing that. And they are not being investigated. And they absolutely should be because they're clearly big parts of this. And Farkas will not be investigated. Why? Because he's the money behind a lot of the Kushner family business, going back to Jared Kushner and how Kushner is often a front. You know, they use other people's money to buy the buildings they manage.

Starting point is 01:24:33 So they're completely dependent on, you know, people wealthier than them for the real estate business they conduct. And one of those people is Andrew Farkas, specifically his company, C3 Capital Management, which there's emails now about Farkas trying to get Epstein involved with C3 capital management. So, you know, this is something that I think is really significant. And there's obviously a lot of connections I'm leaving out here. So going back to, you know, the Obama-Clinton ties to the USVI. scandal and all of that. Well, Andrew Farkas is intimately tied up with the Democratic Party and fundraising. He's the whole reason Andrew Cuomo was ever anything ever after he left being head of the Department of Housing and Development under the Clinton administration. So governor, mayor,

Starting point is 01:25:20 all of that, Andrew Cuomo's money for that. And several campaigns, his campaign finance chairman was Andrew Farkas. So you look at the Farkas, it's not good for Dems. And it just, and it just underscores how this is a huge bipartisan issue. Well, this is the deep state or the unelected power structure, the shadow government argument that's being ignored. Well, you know, I guess the Republicans blame the Democrats or however they want to frame this in a partisan way. Like that's what that looks like, that never-ending influence, whichever side.

Starting point is 01:25:51 Yeah. And so one of the craziest part of this article actually ties into a very forgotten about national security scandal that happened in the Bush administration because there were many of them. But basically the Bush administration tried to give Dubai port world complete control over the biggest ports in the United States. And it was supposed to be investigated, or at least the federal government was supposed to conduct oversight investigations and top Bush officials waived them all secretly. And one of them was the Treasury Secretary at the time, John Snow, who now works for Steve Feinberg, who incidentally is number two at the Pentagon after Hegsseth. and I would argue is actually running the Pentagon, not Piquette Seth.

Starting point is 01:26:31 I would agree. The server is capital management guy, Steve Feinberg, who's deputy secretary of war. He's the one actually running this. He employs John Snow now. And this story also significantly involves the Carlisle group. And so in Epstein had a lot of ties to them. And they have a lot of ties to the Bush family and also the Bin Laden's. And the bin Laden's business interests also intersect with the HUD fraud that was going on that I know

Starting point is 01:26:56 Catherine Austin Fitz has talked a lot about. but Farcus intimately involved in that crowd. He made bank in the 90s on HUD fraud and actually was involved in the effort to Newk Catherine's company Hamilton Securities from removing fraud from HUD. So this is the same crowd and it's the Bush Reagan crowd, the Iran-Contra crowd. It makes perfect sense that he and Epstein would be swimming around each other. But anyway, while the negotiations with the Dubai Port World and the Bush administration were going on, Suleim and Farkas were meeting with Epstein.

Starting point is 01:27:28 They are in the front row of the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show with Leslie Wexner, Abigail Wexner, and Jeffrey Epstein. So they obviously met before then. You don't have your first meeting in the front row of that. They were invited to be the VIPs of that. And you bet that they were discussing the most pressing thing on Bensuliam's mind at the time that DP World Deal to take over U.S. ports.

Starting point is 01:27:51 And there was a huge pushback from people in Congress. Yeah. This picture is crazy. There's Russell Simmons in the back who's part of the whole like Diddy Brett Ratner thing. I don't know. It's nuts. But that's clearly not their first meeting. This is November 2005. So before this, the earliest they were, this report, the earliest they were believed to have met was like over a year later in 2006. But now they were meeting why the DP World stuff was actively going on in the Bush administration despite the protests of Congress.

Starting point is 01:28:24 being, because they were, they were upset about it over 9-11 stuff because the 9-11 commission linked financing for the attacks to the UAE and also Saudi Arabia, right? So they were mad about ports being handed over to the UAE for that reason. And this is not that many years after 9-11. So obviously, you know, the poll of that event was still really strong for the American public. and Bush basically went in the face of that in the middle of the war on terror and was like, no, if you try and prevent this legislation, I will veto it. I mean, it went really far.

Starting point is 01:29:03 And the Bush administration tried really hard to protect this. And one of the people that tried really hard to protect it, it wasn't just George Bush himself. It was Alberto Gonzalez, the attorney general at the time. And according to Nick Bryant, the only people that could have told Alex Acosta, and, you know, the people prosecuting Epstein in Florida in 2006, 2007 for the sex trafficking and in his involvement, you know, with minors, the reason he was told to stand down could have only been the only person per Nick Bryant that can tell a U.S. attorney, a district attorney to stand down, is the attorney general or the president. So it was one of those two people. And having Epstein

Starting point is 01:29:47 involved in the circles around this deal advising these guys. And he went to, on do advise them for many years. I mean, this is a very close relationship with Suleim and Farkas. That may have had an influence, actually, to an extent on the decision not to prosecute Epstein and should absolutely be revisited. And another angle is all the Carlisle group connections, because there's a lot of ties of the Carlisle group to all of these people in question. It's been called the CIA of the business world, David Rubinstein, who runs it, had ties to Epstein. His wife for many years was very, very close to Epstein and also to Galane Maxwell.

Starting point is 01:30:26 So, you know, there's a lot to be said. A lot to be said there. So if you're interested in how Epstein may have intersected with the Bush administration, you're interested in learning how Trump first got involved with the United Arab Emirates and with who, which is actually pretty important because a lot of the big conflicts of interest that have popped up in the second administration have been around the UAE, right, with like World Liberty Financial and some of those like obvious conflicts of interest there. Like they, they put a bunch of money into Trump family ventures or Witkoff family ventures in the case of World Liberty Financial. And then the UAE was allowed

Starting point is 01:31:02 access to closely guarded AI chips. You know, it's an obvious, I mean, Trump is an obvious pay-to-play presidency. And it's crazy because a lot of Trump voters were outrage at the pay-to-play of Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation. But I guess this is fine. even though it's probably, I mean, honestly, more brazen than that even. It's kind of nuts. But yeah, so this article goes into all of that. And, you know, if you want to learn about the guy who's behind Andrew Cuomo, who you may remember from the COVID era and all sorts of other things,

Starting point is 01:31:33 or the recent New York mayor race, you know, this is the article for you. But at the end of the day, it shows that a lot of these logistics firms that are essential to moving cargo around the world in port security and how customs officers can very easily be corrupted by these people. It's very clear that not only was

Starting point is 01:31:59 Epstein utilizing a network like this, but all the people in his network could have called on these guys via Epstein. That's what it seems like, that this was sort of just a one part. As you've always pointed out, this was, as I think you said in this interview, that he was just a part in this,

Starting point is 01:32:14 not some kind of leader, that this is one element larger network. And then, you know, diplomatic immunity involved with that as well, with the process there. You know, so much that that's just very clearly a, the, you know, vessel, the funnel for what they might be trafficking or using in any possible way or clandestine operations. I mean, anything. Like that's, they can hide effectively anything with that setup. Yeah. I mean, they, they, if they're able to control most of the marinas and, you know, industrial ports in the world, they can move anything anywhere.

Starting point is 01:32:45 And there's a lot of examples of Epstein very successfully doing that in the 80s and 90s, particularly the 90s, which very few people for some reason want to look into as it relates. Well, a lot of the people that have popped up, you know, to talk about Epstein have noted the, you know, the BCCI ties or the arms trafficking in the 80s ties. But they're seemingly very uninterested in what he was trafficking in the 90s with the help of Leslie Wexner in Southern Air Transport, the CIA Airlines. that moved to Columbus, Ohio, specifically for Leslie Wexner's The Limited. There's a, you know, a pulling of a punch there because if it connects to certain people. Connects to Israel and connects to China. So, uh-oh. Well, I'll leave you with this one thought point since, you know, you brought this up.

Starting point is 01:33:34 And I think it's interestingly kind of makes it. I do have to go in two minutes, though. So let's just wrap up. Trump offers donors access to national security briefings if they're willing to basically pay their way in. national security briefings. This country's been sold out to the highest bidder a long time ago. Yeah, you can buy citizenship. You can be from any country in the world.

Starting point is 01:33:53 You can buy citizenship through his like gold visa thing that he's so proud of. And then you can pay more money and get access to national security briefings. Insane. Well, Whitney. We're doing all this to stop China, Ryan. All of our freedoms and in all normal laws we have to suspend. to stop those guys. I mean, it's just, uh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:34:19 I mean, I think this has been clear today. And I hope this can build for people out there. Thank you, Whitney. Hope we'll talk again soon. And I hope everybody's listening because this is still happening. Any final words before we wrap up? Uh, no, just, uh, stay tuned for a lot of cool stuff this year from Unlimited Hangout, new video shows, uh, new articles.

Starting point is 01:34:37 We'll have a new one coming out really soon about Leslie Wexner that is very spicy. Um, and a new print. magazine in a couple of months. Outstanding. All right. I don't know if you can see my thumbs up. It was just the phone. Well, thank you to getting in today. As always, everybody out there, question everything. Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.

The Last American Vagabond - Americans Deployed For Israel, Epstein's Smuggling Network & Are US/Israel Losing This War? w/ Whitney Webb

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