The Last American Vagabond - Bibhu Dev Misra Interview - Do World Leaders Expect A Cataclysm & Is There A Shift Underway?

Episode Date: April 28, 2026

Joining me once again today is Bibhu Dev Misra, author of Yuga Shift, here to follow up on the conversation from our last interview and discuss what has happened since with the Trump administration and whether these tumultuous times are just coincidental or exactly what Bibhu predicted would be taking place. We discuss the general idea of the Yuga Cycle and what this means in terms of scientifically-documented periodic global cataclysms, as well as how the simple belief/knowledge that such events could take place can lead to actions exactly as we are seeing today. We also discuss where this may lead, both positive (the inevitable times of peace that may follow) and negative (the very technocratic future many are currently warning about) and what we can do to influence that change.Source Links:Bibhu Dev Misra Interview - The End Of The Kali Yuga (March 21st) & The Revolution Of ConsciousnessOne year of Ekpyrosis, and already the World is on Fire! What comes next? - Ancient InquiriesFour Signs that the Yuga Shift is already underway - Ancient InquiriesYUGA SHIFT: THE END OF THE KALI YUGA & THE IMPENDING PLANETARY TRANSFORMATION by Bibhu Dev Misra | GoodreadsDARPA’s “Generative Optogenetics” Program Is All That We’ve Feared & Held Hostage By GeoengineeringThe Technocratic Tiptoe - The Last American VagabondPronomos Capital & The Rapid Transition To A Techno-Feudal StateThe Network State Coup And The Engineered Transition To “Tech Zionism”End of the World – Eleusis TVThe Impending Future Of AI-Government - But Who Controls The AI?Trump’s Leaked AI Government Plans, Trump Mobile & The Expected False Flag To Justify Iran WarBitcoin Donations Are Appreciated:www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/bitcoin-donation(3FSozj9gQ1UniHvEiRmkPnXzHSVMc68U9f)The Last American Vagabond Substack is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. Get full access to The Last American Vagabond Substack at tlavagabond.substack.com/subscribe

Welcome to The Last American Vagabon. Joining me once again today is Bibhu Def Mizra, author of The Yuga Shift. Very interesting and important book that we interviewed him once before about. And it was an interesting mix. I found very fascinating of both the science around some of these, the prophetic discussions, as well as the mythos around them and how they interconnect and how it relates to today. So I invited him back on to discuss kind of where we left off with that conversation. And obviously, the world is pretty chaotic right now and how that may

late and to some of the deeper points of where it may go. So, Bebu, thank you for joining me again today. How are you? Hi, Ryan. Thanks for having me back. We did have a very interesting discussion last time. And we spoke about some of the things that might happen after 2025, once we get into this stage of transition between the ages. And we're seeing a lot of that in the world right now. So I think this is a good time for us to go back and talk about the UGES shift and where it might all be headed right now. I agree. I agree. And thanks for taking the time today.

I'd like to start with something you recently put out, an article you put out, and that's entitled. I'll bring it up on the screen here. One year, if I'm pronouncing it correctly, it's ekeperosis, and already the world is on fire, what comes next. Now, I want to read something you wrote here just briefly. Recommend you guys read this article all the way through. It's very interesting.

But so here's something you pointed out right in the beginning. And I do have to say, by the way, I take issue with the use of anarchy, which chaos is what I would use. I find anarchy to be misrepresented today. But that point aside, chaos is what we're talking about, a time of just, you know, chaos and, you know, uncertainty. Here's what you wrote. And this is from your book, Yuga Shift 2023.

As the Kaliuga energies will be on Wayne after 2025, the tyrants and dictators who control the affairs of the world will begin to find that their evil plans are no longer coming to fruition as easily as before. Their lives will get exposed. their propaganda will no longer be effective, and their wicked schemes for gaining more profit and control will get disrupted. Then you wrote an article in March of 2025, and you added this. The tyrants will begin to lose some of their powers.

Lies and corruption will get exposed. Skeletons will tumble out of the closets. Disclosures will come thick and fast, and many ignored and malign truths will bubble to the surface. This process of churn and chaos will create more polarization in the world, and the increased desperation of the elites can lead to the outbreak of more wars and violence in the world. Now, I find this so fascinating for obvious reasons.

You know, we're living through this right now. And so I wanted to start there with kind of just where we are, with what we saw. And if you'd like to give more of a background of the Yuga cycle conversation in general, I like to imagine our audience is pretty versed on it, but feel free to do that. And let's just kind of start with where we are and how you see that relating to where we are in the world today. Yeah, you know, we spoke about the U.S. cycle. And the cycle is basically the same as the cycle of the ages in the Greek, which means that we decline or our consciousness diminishes from a golden age to the iron age or the Kali

Uyghas we call it in India. And after this is over, we begin an ascending cycle of consciousness. But there's a time lag between that. That's a period of transition or a period of shift. When the older civilization with all its values and its ideologies and its structures and belief systems, they are gradually abolished. they are kind of eradicated and a new way of thinking, new ways of living, that comes up and new wisdom comes into the world. And there's also a lot of prophecies surrounding it, as everybody knows, that there's going to be a big war, the war of Armageddon, then the divine hierarchy

is going to reveal itself. And so basically what the prophecies talk about is a sea change, a complete reversal of our understanding of reality. Currently, we believe that humans are the only living entities in the universe and that our only objective in life is to acquire wealth and money and power. And those ideas will undergo a radical shift once we become aware that there is indeed a so-called spiritual hierarchy of gods and angels. There are many dimensional, interdimensional beings who are the caretakers of our planet, to nurture our civilization, who look after the journey of souls across lifetimes.

And once that realization comes, then it's going to bring about a massive transformation in our consciousness and in the way we go about our lives. So that's the phase of transition that we're in now. And it started last year in 2025. That's when we got out of the Kale Yoga, the Age of Darkness. And now it's all going to unravel all of the hidden roots, all of the lies and distortions, that will all bubble to the surface. And along with that, all of the shadow aspects of humanity, both at an individual level,

as well as a collective level, that will also bubble to the surface. This is a time when everything gets revealed for everyone to see, because otherwise there can't be any healing. They can't, you can't let it go. So it's all going to come out to the surface. Even the truths will come out to the surface. The truth about our origins, our civilization. our connections with the wider cosmos and the galaxy,

the truths about the prophetic texts, truths about the gods and the prophets and the sages, all of that will also come out in this time period. So it's a major time of transformation. A lot of things will happen in parallel. And the kind of experience that we have as individuals would depend on where we are giving our energies, our focus to.

If you are focusing on the caligua paradigms of the read and conquest, and violence and selfishness, then it's going to be a very tough time for people to adjust with the changes. Whereas if you are moving away from that, we're trying to participate in the birth of the new paradigms, then it's going to be a much better time for everyone. Yeah. It's such a fascinating conversation.

And what we discussed last time is the idea of the tens of thousands of years cycle of essentially consciousness, right, to simplify it to where, you know, there's a, there's cycles and stages of the ascending and descending of consciousness. And what I loved about your book, the Yuga Shift, is you make a very important point to discuss, like whether or not somebody agrees or believes in, let's say, interdimensional beings or even religious perspectives. What you do in your book, which I find so important, is overlap it very clearly with what you can't prove, with science, with documented historical events, with carbon dating,

you know, and then interestingly enough, even from like a Christian perspective, you can see the timeline. Interestingly, time right now, or even the conversations, which we'll get to in a second of this administration, talking about Armageddon, from an Israel perspective, talking about the end times. You know, it's interesting how it all kind of comes together. So my point is that whether you believe in more of the, you know, esoteric side of it versus more of the science side of it, there are overlaps that can't be denied. And that's what I find so fascinating is we now at this point where, you know, you get into the comments conversation and where there's perception of what those things might have meant and one might believe that their gods coming back.

One could argue with a scientific or astrological event. Either way, these things have happened in the past. So I just find that so interesting. So let's start with ultimately the awareness aspect of this. So right now what we talked about was that 20, well, 2030 in the political conversation seems to have a lot of constant discussion. And the argument you make is that that's kind of the time frame when a lot of this transition will be taking place.

So in regard to the political side of it, you know, is it your, Are you a mind that these people are like aware of this? Or how would, why do you feel the timelines correlate with the political action in the world with what you're talking about? Yeah. I mean, for instance, if we look at the political side of it, they're planning for a great reset by 2030. And that's the time that they plan that the interworld is going to be ruled by some transnational corporations. And there'll be the ones in charge of policy overriding any kind of national mandate. And there's also a lot of talk over the last, I think from 2025, it started that the whole of EU is preparing itself for a conflict with Russia by 2030.

And they're speaking about it openly. They're moving to a war economy. They are building arms. They're doing nuclear tests. And so the timelines are overlapping. It's all going into 2030. And what I found through my studies, and we'll talk about in detail later, is that the time period, from 2029 to 2036, those seven years are the seven of seven years of tribulation mentioned in the

revolution. So that's overlapping to a, you know, really fascinating degree. And if you ask me if they know about it, my, I thought about it. And I think that they don't really care about it. They don't care about the cycle of the ages. They don't believe in consciousness or the ascend or descent of consciousness. They don't believe in messiahs or gods or prophets or any of that stuff. They don't believe that there's going to be a planetary rebalancing or the return of righteousness. But they know that there are people who believe in that kind of stuff. They know that people are hoping for the next golden age, for the return of Christ or the return of the Christ consciousness, because that consciousness is known by many different names in many different religions. And they play on that.

They will talk about golden ages. They'll talk about scriptures so that they can get a following and that can support their actions. But I think what might be happening is that there are some very dark entities in other dimensions who are controlling these cabals who are ruling humanity right now. And these dark entities, they're very malevolent and they want the Kali Yuga paradigm to continue as long as possible. and because they thrive in these kind of conditions. And that's why they're kind of telepathically or, you know, somehow they're influencing these cable members to grab as much power as they can over the next five or six years because these entities in other dimensions,

they know that there's a shape that is going on, that there are some powerful galactic beings who are going to come in and try to reset the order. And they want to probably grab as much power. as possible and maybe prevent that outcome to the extent possible. So it's not as if they are they're reading my book or somebody else's timeline and deciding these things. No, they are being guided by some other force.

And these two timelines are overlapping because that other force which is guiding them is very intelligent. It knows because these are interdimensional entities. They know what's going on. And that's why they're trying to create this struggle, this take us to the RRBurman. Armageddon, which is like prophesied in so many different religious systems. So interestingly on that note and what I was seeing a second ago, right, is that so you know, you're a very intelligent person with a lot of scientific background.

So for somebody out there who maybe not doesn't agree with that, just doesn't believe in that, you know, I find there to be a lot of evidence and information around that that I think is very much worth everybody's time. But hypothetically, for somebody who are just, you know, out there who doesn't agree with that, who wants to hear, you know, what you may think the scientific side of this or the alternative if that wasn't the reality. Do you have a thought for that? Like outside of another being driving their actions,

is there another way you could see that in a scientific sense? Maybe not. I'm just curious if there was another way you could look at that. I did think about it in a scientific sense, but the overlap is like so strong. It's almost as if they're reading some, you know, you might get us feeling that he's reading my book and they're coming up with this timelines,

but I don't think so. They don't give much importance to what other people are saying. They don't really care about the rest of humanity. They don't bother about them. They are getting their information from some other source, from some other, I don't know, whether they are doing some secret rituals or some, you know, sedating practices or somehow they're getting this information

that we must have this grape reset by 2030. And I don't think that talking about interdimensional beings is unscientific. It's not unscientific at all because anybody who's done any kind of, you know, planchette or any, or trying to invoke these spirits, they would know that it works. You don't know what kind of a spirit you're invoking, but you know that it works because, you know, very strange things happen when you try to get into those kind of a practice or situation. And I've tried it for myself and I know it's scary as hell. So it works.

There are interdimensional spirit beings all religious. systems have spoken to us about it and they're probably getting their cues from from somewhere else from some other interdimensional entity yeah and i didn't mean to suggest by the way that that wasn't something i agree i think there's it's what's interesting is when you get to the overlap of even back to the religious side you know in your book and other points you know you could you could make the same angels demons interdimensional beings it's kind of the there's a lot of different overlap to pretty much every perspective of something else you know and so it is very interesting or even just like a spiritual like a you know there there's a lot of ways that you could see and a representations

of different cultures of something like that so i'm i'm up there i'm i think it's very clear that there are elements that go well beyond what we think we can scientifically prove what i'm asking is more for the people that would choose which i think is not in their interest i think it's kind of willfully ignorant to shut down walls but who would choose to ignore it because they only want to see it from that view i'm just saying i think that your book has a way of reaching people like that i think that's powerful you know it's a it's a it's a way to open their mind to things they might not otherwise consider because there is overlap scientifically. But yeah, and if you're talking about scientific evidence, there's plenty of that in the

book to show that we have actually outlined. I mean, from the perspective of our cranial volume that has declined over 12,000 years. We have physically shrunk. Over 12,000 years, our lifespans have gone down over the last five, six thousand years. And that's all scientific evidence. And they're not able to explain any of that using the linear paradigm of Darwinian evolution, which is why they don't talk about it. You would really come across any kind of newspaper article or any magazine article where people

are saying, you know what? We've lost 10% of a plane in volume. You just don't find that. And I have to really search through a lot of journals and a lot of scientific articles to find those kind of information, which is not talked about. Well, let's talk about that then. One of the things I wanted to get into is the point of the galactic core switching on, as you discuss in your book.

We talked about it last time. And I found this just kind of blew my mind in your book as well as when we discussed it because in 2024 is when you talk about this starting. And as you put, it's essentially, well, I don't know if I wrote down or not, but essentially these, the potential genetic changes as you're describing. And that was my point again, is that when you actually look scientifically, you can show historically, you know, a long period of time, these changes have taken place. So I guess we'll explain that again for people what that means to see the galactic core switching on and what that may mean and then what that can lead to in this kind of overlapping, ascending cycle.

Yeah, so what I have proposed in my book is that we already know this to be a fact that the galactic goes switches on and off. And when it switches on, it gives out a lot of high frequency radiation right from radio waves to gamma rays. And when it switches off, nothing. Very little radiation comes out of it. So what I said is that when it switches on, that's when we are in the ascending cycle of consciousness. And when it switches off, that's when we are in the descending cycle. That's when we start losing all of those benefits. mutations that we got in the ascending cycle and in the descending cycle those are

replaced by all the harmful mutations and it is a scientific fact that over the last few thousand years we have accumulated a lot of very harmful mutations that is what's driving down our memories our cranial volume our physical structures our health everything is degrading because of these very harmful genetic mutations which were which we're acquiring and then passing on to our children and so on. And what I had proposed was that we might see the galactic core switching on sometime after 2025, and that's again going to start giving us these beneficial genetic mutations to drive the

assent of consciousness. And as it turns out in 2024, the James Webb Space Telescope, it found that the galactic core has suddenly switched on. It's giving out very bright flashes of visible light on a daily basis. And it has never done that over the point. past few centuries and it came as a company surprise and that tells me that it's now switching on and over time you might find that it's also giving out more x-rays and more gamma rays. And then it really becomes very luminous and might even be able to see it at night time as a second moon, which is what a lot of ancient cultures talk about. They talk about two moons being present in ancient time and then one of them fell down and

then they're left with only one moon. So that's where we are now headed into. And as these energies come in, it's creating a lot of these changes that we are seeing, both at a psychological level at a geopolitical level and also at an environmental level, because the environment is also shifting very quickly. Because this radiation might be heating up our Earth's core and the mantle, and that might be creating these, you know, the high temperatures, the wildfires which are gaining in intensity every year,

the more ferocious floods, the flooding events. Last year we had quite a few very dangerous flooding events. The volcanoes are waking up. I mean, we had a volcano in Ethiopia, which woke up after 12,000 years, which means that's the whole descending cycle of consciousness. And we had a volcano waking up in Iceland after 6,000 years, and that's like the entire Kaliuga cycle. So a lot of dormant planetary actions of cleansing and renewal, all of that is getting activated right now.

And I believe that it is the galactic core, which is providing the energy and the impetus. It's kind of like a cosmic alarm clock going off and kind of telling the entire planetary system that, you know what, we are waking up now. it's a new dawn, you better get your house ready because it's going to be a new cycle. So that's what's probably happening at an esoteric level. What do you know, for those who don't understand what the galactic core, what are we talking about exactly, like a constellation or how would you describe that for people understand it? Because we're talking about something real, like it's not a hypothetical, someone can understand that.

Yeah, see, it's a black spherical something and scientists don't know what it is. And for a long time, they've been saying that it's a black hole. But it doesn't be anything like a black hole. It's not been seen to gobble up any passing matter. They said that the area around the galactic center should be so violent because of the intense gravity of the black hole that they can't be any stars in that region. And now they find that that whole region is filled with very, very big and dense star clusters. They said there's going to be an attrition disk around the black hole. It's not there.

They found magnetic trees, very well-organized magnetic. So it's not a black hole. Now they're saying that it might be cold, dark matter. So but again they're going back to a matter-based interpretation. My belief is that the galactic core is the central consciousness. It's a galactic consciousness which regulates everything in our galaxy. And this is what the ancient Indian sages, they call Brahma as the central unmanifested creative principle. This is what the Christian mystics called as the Christ consciousness, which actually it's the heart center. This is what the native Americans call the great spirit, which breathes life into everything. This is what the Greek poet Xenophon, he said that there's one God,

he's at the center of the cosmos, and he moves all things by the power of his mind without needing to move here and there. And that's your center, and that's the consciousness. But, you know, our modern size does not talk about consciousness. We know that there's consciousness, everywhere in our planet, but they will never talk about consciousness being present outside our planet anywhere else, which is ridiculous. I mean, so they will not talk about consciousness. And since we don't have any mathematics to describe consciousness, they won't even be able to find it.

So they can't look at the galactic core and say, oh, you know, it fulfills this particular equation, therefore it is consciousness. No, because we don't have that equation either. But if you follow the ancient text and the ancient sources, then I think this is a very, very good chance that that's a galactic consciousness that we're talking about. Very interesting. Yeah. It's just,

it's, you know, there is obvious, you could, it just, it makes sense to me, like both scientifically, but also in,

in plenty of other ways. I want, I want your opinion on one quick thing I thought was interesting. And then we can talk about something, for a moment, maybe the, you know, the government side of this and maybe the real world examples of what we may see,

be seeing is, so I, when I was reading into this, and I thought about our conversation last time, about the pulsing of light and, and what that may be doing to our conscience. So that's essentially what we're talking about, right? At least in some way.

And so I thought of something in a real world fence here, which is optogenetics. I don't know if you're familiar, but the idea of, you know, using basically flashing light in conjunction with certain genetic manipulations to cause certain reactions, to cause bodies to take certain actions. Interestingly enough, DARPA just recently started a new generative optogenetics program. I just wanted your thought on that. If, you know, what my general feeling about a lot of this is that we're dealing with, like you said, a group that either recognizes what this is and is adversarial to it or as you pointed out, maybe isn't aware of why they're adversarial to it. But that at the same point, it's a group that seems to be resistant to what is changing for many reasons.

And I wonder whether there are actions being taken to stifle that change, right? The ascending part of it we're on. And so I just wanted your thoughts on that or anything else that may play into that conversation. Yeah, I think they are making a lot of changes as far as climate is concerned. They have been trying to do that for a long time, you know, block out the sun or, you know, change the weather, you know, try to proceed something to cause rain or whatever. So they're trying to take over what has traditionally been perceived as the realm of God or the elemental spirit beings. And they're trying to play God right now. And that's why they're also fooling around with the genetic data and, you know, doing all kinds of stuff with that.

So they want God out of the equation. They want to kind of, we might even reach a situation in a few years where they kind of outlaw that. You're not, you're not allowed to even take the name of God or higher consciousness. You're not allowed to do that, shut down the places of worship and things like that. So they are trying to take God out of the equation. And in order to do that, they're trying to do whatever they, can to manipulate the weather and, you know, do these kind of things where they might be able to block the assent of consciousness by some other kind of a light source. So, yeah, I mean,

they could be doing a ton of other things that we probably don't know about, but I don't think it's going to work, you know. The weather is too big, too complicated, to fool around. I mean, when we damage the weather, we do so mostly without knowing. We do it unknowingly. And to consciously damage the radiation or the sun or the weather patterns, I don't think we have the knowledge to do that as of now. But some people believe that, you know, they are capable of doing it. That, you know, DARPA and all that stuff.

And there was some other organizations who were modifying the way. weather, but I'm not very sure about the limits of their abilities. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I think it would definitely should question, you know, whether they can or cannot in what degree, you know. The point is they're trying. I think that's pretty clear, right? What I think is interesting to the same point is, you know, I actually found what you

wrote down there, the galactic core you wrote, is primarily responsible for the genetic mutations that lead to the enhanced consciousness, physical size and lifespans of setting cycle, which, which you said, which, so my thought is, if this. is something, and it's just just hypothetical, that is, you know, whether it's aware of what it really is or just that there's an awareness of people's minds going in different directions than what they want it to be, that you have these different elements of genetic MRI, genetically modified organisms, like, and, you know, opogenetic programs, things coming out that feel like the same thing in a different direction, like a negative version of what is naturally

happening. I just think it's worth putting out in the world, you know, because that is, if, if they are of them aware of what this is, and I kind of find it hard that they wouldn't be to some degree at some level because, you know, your book's public. We'll talk about these things. You know, I think there's more awareness there at the very least that we think that. And so there's a time frame that they're aiming for that we should be worried there's something effort, you know, effort to like lower consciousness. By the way, I think there's a reality whether or not people believe in the Yuga cycle conversation, you know, an effort to lower consciousness. They have been trying to lower consciousness for a long, long time before these

even we started talking about cycles. You know, they've been trying to do it over the last two, 300 years, maybe even more. So they know that if you can lower consciousness, that's the best way to keep people trapped in fear and anxiety. And that's how we can control them. So that's a part of their control mechanism. They have developed and perfected over time. And now, yeah, at this moment, a lot of people are talking about the ship, right?

So they have got all of these AI tools now. So the AI is probably feeding them that, you know, these are stuff. that people are talking about. And they might be, they might be trying up new experiments and new ways of stopping this process or to manipulate it and to, you know, seed more misinformation to lead people on the wrong facts. So I'm sure they're trying to do that now. Yeah.

No, I agree. And I think it's important to think about what we're talking about. This has been an ongoing effort for a very long time. And that may very well may speak to the idea that this is something they're aware, but either way, it's pretty obviously happening. But so let's talk about for a moment. the, you know, change within the society, right? And so there's a lot of different ways I see this right now.

Like to just the general point to what you're highlighting. I mean, we're watching revolutions. We're watching just what I've been talking about from just like a ground level political conversation, people that are challenging lies, old, long held lies that they've never been challenging before, you know, and this is a constant kind of evolution, that this is the evolving awareness, right? It's important. And I think what we see is this effort, maybe is a challenge, the same kind of way to

what we're seeing is this transition away from more of being in touch with this spiritual side of things to a more technological side, the network state agenda, the CEO tech run world. And I think that's what they're trying to drive for. So I wanted your thoughts about that, whether we're talking about the, you know, Pernamos Capital, Peter Thiel, Trump administration element of their effort of freedom cities and the network state agenda or just any other country, which, by the way, China, with their technological advancement, you know, is, you know, How do you see that in regard to the world and the ground? And is that a response in your mind to what we see happening?

Well, you know, these things, it's very difficult to say whether it's a reaction to the knowledge that's coming out through words like mine and many other people. It's not just me. Or like I said, whether they've been guided, they've been programmed. Like a lot of people in our world are programmed to do an act. in a certain way. And maybe they're also programmed to just do an act in that way. I don't know. I mean, it's probably a mix of both.

They know that they've been programmed in a certain way. And now there's probably a renewed urgency to, because Peter Thiel coming out with that crazy manifesto is just, I mean, it's just straight out of 1984. You know, it's 1984 for the AI world. And to say that right now in 26, It's just, you know, they're just making it known to people that, look, guys, this is, I mean, that's what they do a lot of times. They want to kind of sensitize people, you know, kind of give them advanced information so that there isn't too much of a shop when it actually happens.

So there's kind of programming the people before the event itself. And that's what they're doing now. And if you ask me if they know about the shift, I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure. I think it's a mix of both. It's a mix of them being programmed to work in a certain way, as well as a new sense of urgency coming into them right now with the knowledge that something is shifting and we need to act fast. Right, right, right.

And see, that's what I'm sensing as well, whatever it is, that it's very clear that there is a transition taking place. And that's what I kind of read is that there's two things, which is the, what we're discussing, this rising awareness and consciousness shift within just the general population and the reaction, whatever's driving that from the people who want to maintain their status quo, that want to maintain their control over the minds of the people. And I think that's why this is so important right now, because it is objectively happening, right?

So the question is, is what we're discussing driving that. And I find that just very fascinating. So let's talk about this in the sense of the spiritual side of it that we talk about, you know, last time we talked about profits and people discussing the idea of, you know, like somebody, they, somebody, the Herald coming to mark the change, right? So one first, because I was very interested to ask you there, have there been any new examples of people that around the world are claiming this is that, you know, this is that person coming to herald the change? And then let's talk about that discussion in a general sense with the overlap of the Antichrist, which you discuss in your article in the book. No, I'm not aware of any particular person coming in right now.

I don't even know if there's going to be any particular person. I think it's really all up to us until the time that, you know, the spiritual hierarchy, if you can call them that, until the time that there's a divine intervention, it's really up to us. And I don't think there's going to be any kind of a savior or Messiah figure guiding people in these times. But there's going to be an antichrist. I mean, that's for sure. Because not only is that mentioned in the Revelation is also there in the Kalakakha Tantra, which is the Tibetan, this text which tells you that after 2025 and their end date for the cycle is also 2025 and they say that after that the kings will be fighting within each other and ultimately they'll

unite under a very evil king and they're going to submit to him and then the hidden land of shambhala is going to reveal itself and this particular evil king will be so upset that he's not the only ruler of this world that he's going to take on the king of shambhala in a battle and And that's Armageddon. And that's not a different from the Antichrist, you know, establishing himself as the defective ruler of the world and then going into Armageddon. So that is, I'm pretty sure that is something we are headed to us right now. Yeah. Before we go into the Antichrist part of it, because this is, I find that especially interesting.

You know, so you mentioned the spiritual hierarchy. And like, for example, in the article, as well as we discussed in the last interview in your book, the comment overlap about whether they, appeared to look like a dragon or a horse and as they would view that as sort of God descending in that way, which could have just been a comet or, you know, however, you know, but both of which you then go into a deeper conversation about the, maybe the, you know, the life that comets bring and whether they themselves are living entities in a bacterial sense or whatever, you know, interesting point. And so, you know, in that, I guess the idea of the spiritual hierarchy, before we get into the idea of the worldly sense of the Antichrist point, you know, what is that

exactly, both on the kind of scientific side, but also the, the, esoteric spiritual side of it because I found that really interesting again with the point of what the new life that it brings, the genetic changes and how both seem to be, you know, again, I'm sorry to say so many times. I just find it interesting how you can do such a good job of juxtaposing the science with what is, you know, spiritual. And I think it reaches people. So go ahead. Yeah, the spiritual hierarchy is basically the ancient gods and angels. And they, it's very difficult to say where they came from. But a lot of the Native American tribes, believe that they came from the Pleanist constellation.

And they came to our solar system and they fashioned our planet as a school for the evolution of consciousness. And then they gave us all the teachings because humans are also dormant gods. I mean, our DNA and the DNA of these human beings that we call the gods is kind of same. Because see, humans have,

the human DNA contains 98% junk DNA, so-called junk DNA, which does not code for any protein. Now, it's junk DNA today. It may not have been junk DNA in a higher age. Maybe in a high race, a lot of that DNA was functional. And that's what I mean by genetic mutation or genetic activation in a higher age. A lot of the moment that DNA becomes functional, humans become godlike. They have a lot of these powers, this so-called Siddis, and they appear to be like gods on Earth. And so, so the idea of of gods is not so, I would say, esoteric, because humans themselves can become godlike. And that's what the Asian text tells us that this particular warrior, he could release an arrow, just like, you know,

the gods used to release their thunderbolts. You know, those kind of comparisons are always there in the ancient Indian text, which tell us that, yes, it was possible for people in the higher ages to act where a lot of power over the forces of nature, elemental forces of nature, powers of healing, powers of manifesting any object of their choice. These are the cities. And so these hierarchy, they control the ups and downs of civilizations and as well as a journey of souls across lifetimes. That's not an accident. I mean, where do we go after death? Do you know? I mean, nobody knows. But if you look at the ND accounts, all of them say the same thing that you pass through a tunnel and then you see a light and then you have to go back. But what if, you're a lot? But what if

it's your time. Then you pass through the tunnel, you go to the light and then what? We don't know that one, right? But it's not an accident. There's a particular method to this whole system and that system has been set up by this higher dimensional entities. And we need to go through these incarnations through these lifetimes to learn our lessons, to purify our consciousness. And once we do that, once that learning is complete and we have been able to completely purify our consciousness, That's when you graduate from the school. And you go on elsewhere in the galaxy for other responsibilities. I mean, it's a big world galaxy.

I mean, there's lots of work to be done in other places. So this is not the end of our life. So I don't find anything unscientific about the talk about spiritual hierarchy. It makes a lot of sense, in fact, because otherwise it would be all very random. There's nothing random about death or life. So I agree. So yeah, that's what I would say about the spiritual hierarchy. Well, so in that, but in the more specific point of it, hypothetically, what would that represent?

So what you discuss is the spiritual hierarchy coming basically at some, well, let's get into it with the point where you make about the, the timeframe. Actually, before we get to the end, we'll come back to the Antichrist point about the seven years of tribulation because that's what you discuss. Well, you know, I let's, I do want to, I wanted to end with that because it's a kind of a positive note, I think. But just quickly, though, the point would be that ultimately, you know, that the spiritual hierarchy would be something that actually physically comes back. Is that the idea like a presence on earth? And that's actually good to talk about first, I guess, because we'll counterbalance that with the Antichrist point.

So is that what it represents, like a physical presentation or being present like that? Yeah, but only after, I believe the transformation has been completed by 2014. I mean, when I was writing my book, I identify the time period from 20. 2025 to 2040, that 15-year window as the time of very intense transformation. And I said that after 2040, there's going to be a thousand years of peace, as mentioned in the biblical text as well as the Kalachakratantra. But later, when I went into this in more detail, what I realized is that within this 15-year window, the time period from 2029 to 2036 is what is mentioned as the seven years

of Revelation in the revelation. And there's a reason for that, because Edgar Casey, in one of his readings, had said that the star of the Messiah is going to appear in 36. He didn't mention anything before 36. He just said 36. Now, a lot of people thought that he was talking about 1936. But that doesn't make any sense because Casey had actually predicted a number of events relating to the Second World War from 1939 to 1945.

and he wouldn't have talked about a world war after the return of the Messiah in 1936. So my belief is that he was talking about 2036. And in 2036, we also pass through the center of the torrid swarm of comets, which I believe is very important in terms of this transition, the cataclysmes that happened in the periods of transition. And a lot of astronomers have done a lot of work on the tourist stream and yeah that's the swarm out there and we pass through this worm every 2,500 to 3,000 years on an average and when we do that we get very intense media showers over a period of a few centuries and i believe those are the times of the transitions between the ages when a lot of cataclysmic events happen on earth and we are passing through the center of this particular swarm

twice in the next decade, once in 2032 and once again in 2036. And Casey mentioned, I believe, 236 as the time for the return of the Messiah. So what I was thinking is, if 2036 is the date, then the seven years of tribulation should be from 2029 to 2036. And then almost in confirmation of that, I also found out that there's this asteroid called Apophis. Now, when Apophis was first discovered, They said that it's going to hit the earth in 2029. Then they said, no, it's not going to hit the earth. It's going to pass very close to the earth below the level of the satellites. But it's going to come back again at my hit us in 2036.

Then they said that, no, it's not going to hit us in 2036, but again, it's going to make a very close flyby. So again, these two dates, as Apophis is going to come in March, 2029, and again in April, 2021, and again in March of 2036. And these two dates are again separated by seven years. And I thought that, well, apophis could be a celestial clock. Maybe that's been sent in our direction to tell us, you know, guys, those two dates are very important.

Those are the seven years of tribulation. And so there are two data points which are kind of overlapping and not overlapping. They're kind of exactly identical, those seven years. And then all of a sudden you find that they're planning for a great percent by 2030. they're planning for this war with Russia by 2030 and God knows what else. And then I was like, yeah, that's that's the date. Yeah. I mean, I'm very much of the mind that there is some level of awareness.

Again, that there's something. Like, there's just been too much long term planning for these exact dates. You know, it just there's awareness of some historical documented, you know, upset, right? Like, as you talk about in your book, that there's, there's a scientific timeline you can look at. to show that every so many thousands of years, there is some kind of, you know, water or fire or something like that or earthquakes. And so it's interesting to see that these things correlate. And I think that that more than anything reaches the average person, that if they think their government is worried about it and planning for that and really not letting us know that, it's something that makes

us all feel all the more real. And so bringing this to the point of the anti-crash conversation, you know, and so I just think all of this is so current right now to people. I mean, as you point out in you reached an article. I mean, people without even knowing what you're researching have talked about Trump as the Antichrist. And as we said, Hegseth and the military have openly said publicly. And the military made it clear, or rather, I say it more specifically, accurately, they told all the military this directly and then they let the cat out of the bag that they're saying this is Armageddon. The military is being told that. It's like, how can you miss all these things? So let's talk about your point about, as you wrote, 2029, the rise of the Antichrist,

someone who has prophesized to establish a global totalitarian empire with full financial control. As per the revelation, the Antichrist will abolish religion, persecute and kill worshippers, perform fake miracles and declare himself as God. It's just very interesting. So give me your thoughts on this. As much as you still don't think Trump plays that role and tell me why. Yeah. First of all, the timeline, if 2020-2036 is the 70s of Revelation, then the Antichrist should

appear sometime around 2029. This is just a bit too early. And my thinking was that the next president of the United States, he assumes office in January of 2029, which kind of matches up very nicely. But I don't know who that person is, which part he belongs to, not that it matters. But I don't know anything about that person, but I feel that person who takes office in 2029 is likely to be the antipressed. And his vice president could be the false prophet who does all of this magic. and he could be a tech wizard, any of these tech billionaires maybe, I don't know. He could be the guy doing all the miracles.

And about Trump, you know, obviously with all those Jesus images he was posting, there's going to be a perception being created that he might be the Antichrist. But I don't think Trump has the necessary IQ to be the Antichrist, to be honest. The Antichrist, those are big shoes to fill. You know, Antichrist is a person who's not only supremely evil and deceptive, but he's also a very good, you know, he has a very strong percentage. He should be able to garner the support of people, you know, rally the people behind his cause and, you know, deceive them. And Trump just doesn't have that. You know, he's basically told by his handlers what to do and say.

He has his quota of lies to get through the day. That's about it. And so I think what they might be doing right now is, And that's what I written in my article, that they're trying to create this perception that Trump is the Antichrist so that when the next guy comes along, they can say, oh, he's the Savior. He's the Messiah. He's come here to save us from the mistral of Trump. This is a great golden age which is coming up, and everyone will be so relieved and happy that Trump is finally going. So Trump is basically paving the way for the Antichrist, making sure that the next guy is celebrated as a savior or a Messiah. and accepted. And this is so interesting because, again, something completely disconnected from this

conversation, I think in 2016, I made a similar argument about how it seems that Trump might be the person kind of brought in to be the justification for why everything collapsed to justify the change. And again, here we are today with the same kind of conversation that it seems that, you know, with what you're describing is that Trump is essentially being framed as the antichrist. So it fails. But then the next person saves you from that. then the people don't choose to give that person that lens or see them through that lens because, well, we already stopped it over here. It's sort of a problem reaction solution, but typical government manipulations where they

set you up to feel that you've already succeeded so that you missed the actual ploy. Very interesting because there's a lot of people that talk about that around Trump and how he's always played that role as like the great, what's the word they call, the disruptor or the great, you know, bringing things down. And that's, and you also wrote about the Antichrist. in the beginning, the Antichrist will strike deals and build alliances and be hailed as the savior. Soon afterwards, he will start pushing his mandates with the promise of bringing about a utopian society where disease, hunger, famines, inequality, and conflicts will be the thing of the past.

So you could argue that Trump is saying those things, right? But what I feel makes more sense is a couple things. And you tell me which one you feel like makes more sense. I mean, obviously you got J.D. Vance set up to be the next potential president. And that's what a lot of people have worried about. And that's the technocratic connection. You have the idea of just technocracy. I worry about this, the transition to say, hey, well, government doesn't work anymore.

Let's just try a technocratic run society, which is exactly what worried about, or even worse, Bipu, AI run government. I honestly think that's what makes the most sense about this kind of like, you know, the mark of the beast conversation and all this, that they may be just arguing and setting us up to justify why AI needs to run everything anyway. So any thoughts on those three possibilities? No, I completely agree with you. I mean, that's what they are probably taking us, but that's the direction we are. probably going into because after all of these wars that we'll probably start in the next couple of

of years maybe it's China, North Korea, who knows, where he's going to go. And after all of the financial and social collapses, the cost of those wars, they'll say, you know, this is not working. And they probably blame, I mean, he's already taking on the Pope. I mean, that's probably a part of the plan as well that, you know, these religious fanatics, you know, they are the ones who are behind all of these wars. So we now need to take out the religion because that's, getting in the way. And we need to replace men by AI because AI is so powerful and men can't take the right decisions. So we need AI and we need transnational governments because otherwise there won't be any cooperation because all of these countries are always fighting each other.

So we need a uniform transnational government who will make the policies and the decisions. So if somebody says that we need to take vaccines, everybody in the world needs to take vaccines irrespective of the mandates of the individual nation. So that's where they're going into when they're going there in stages slowly through a lot of different means. War, being one of the ways, financial collapses, another way. And then social engineering has been another way. AI is coming up. It's maturing very quickly.

Nobody really knows what's going to happen with AI and how much of a job. And then you have the job losses, you know, the potential job losses from AI. And all of those workers without jobs. surviving on a very meager income. And in the U.S. you might get social security in other countries. You don't even get social security. And that can create anarchy if you have a large number of people without any work. Because there's a trickle-down income.

I mean, the people who work in technology are generally the high-speed people. And if they're laid off, then that trickle-down income to the lower sections also vanishes. So there's going to be an arc. And now you have El Nino coming up this year, which is supposed to be the most powerful L-L-Lino ever historically, and that can create a famine-like conditions. If not in this year, then maybe next year. Or the Strait of Formuz and the conversation of the supply chain and what they're restricting with that, which people are arguing could lead to a famine itself.

Yeah, the Iran War itself. And there's already a fertilizer shortage because of that war, which is driving a price. And then you combine that with Lino or a heat wave, you know, maybe destruction by fire. And then all of a sudden you have a big problem. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's very much worth consideration because that, you know, it's, you know, again, whether some kind of natural progression or that this is being driven into reality by the power structure that wants to justify its actions, I hope people are paying attention to this stuff.

As much as it can be abstract in some cases, it's very, very, you know, there's so much behind this. And it's just so obvious that there is momentum here from at least the government side. So I'd like to end with a positive note here. And let's discuss this to finish because, you know, this is one. thing just from my personal perspectives that I find so important about all this, that, you know, I don't get into my, my religious beliefs, if ever on my show, because I look at it more of a fact-based reporting or even really my spiritual perspectives. But occasionally for things like

this, I talk about this kind of overlap. And I'd like to point out that the positive side for me from this is that I do believe that we're watching a consciousness, you know, people, it evolve, an evolution of consciousness. I felt that way a long time. And to see this kind of start to really happen in just like a political feel. I'm going to talking about this all year. Rebo the idea that people are asking questions they never have before. People are challenging ageal power structures and it's a positive thing, even though it's getting very dark because governments want you to feel uncomfortable. I argue that what you argue in this is that we are close reasonably to some real point of time of peace. And so I'd like to end with this because

even and I want you to explain why you think this is the case because I do think this is a nice thing to consider. You wrote my belief is that by the year 2040, the transformation will be completed. Evil in all its manifestation shall be purged. The earth will be restored to its original pristine state, and the spiritual hierarchy will reveal themselves to the survivors and guide them in the new ways of life. It will be a time of uncommon peace and harmony, which will extend for a thousand years. When a blissful energy will permeate the world, truth and wisdom shall return, nature will bestow all its abundance, and man will begin to regain its divine heritage. Sure sounds nice, and I hope that's where this goes. So let me know, you know, what,

what makes you feel that that's where this goes? Well, first of all, it's a cycle. And if you are to go into an ascending cycle, the negativity of the descending cycle has to disappear. And there's a conjunction of planets in 2040, which I had mentioned in my book. And that conjunction of planets is all the five visible planets and the moon in a 10 degree area of the sky in Libra.

And this is exactly the same conjunction that the Chaldean astronomers and Kepler, the Renaissance astronomer Kepler. They said that when that conjunction happens, it signifies a universal change in human affairs. And that was a conjunction that they were talking about with respect to the end of this descent of consciousness and the assent of consciousness after that.

So I believe that after 2040, this negativity will not progress any further. And if the spiritual hierarchy does reveal itself, then there's going to be an abundance of love and wisdom and truth and nature is going to reflect the consciousness back to us. And that's the promise of the higher age. That's the promise of the higher cycle where from then onwards we gradually begin to develop our consciousness, our skills, begin to acquire our divine heritage.

And that's how we chart the way to the next golden age, build the civilizations of the future where we don't act on profit alone. because what happened in the Kali-evo cycle is that all of these things that we have around us today, largely dictated by profit alone without any concern for its effect either on the environment or on our health or our consciousness, or all those considerations were not at all taken into account. But in the higher cycle, everything that we do, we build, would take into account the fact that it should not impede our evolution of consciousness. It should not harm the environment or other living beings. So everything that will be done will be done to promote harmony, to promote peace and to promote evolution consciousness.

So that's the future. That's a promise mentioned in all the ancient documents regarding the future. That's the cycle itself. And the galactic core is already switching on, which means that that thing is already happening. We see it around us. The evolution of consciousness, as you just mentioned, we see it happening. around and I'm pretty confident that after this 15 year window, which will be a big challenge for us is going to test us really to the core. But after that, it's a time of, I mean, the

Kabbal will be removed and once they're removed and, you know, the control of civilization goes back to the wisest people, you know, because that's the way it was in the past. It was a priest king who ruled the civilization and not an oligarch. Once we go back to the new systems, I think it will be a time of bliss and harmony for everybody. Well, I certainly hope so. You know, and I'd like, I just think that the idea of this is something that we should all be striving for regardless, right? I mean, and I just really hope that people can see the positive changes that are building around all of this, even as, as we think, in many points we discussed today, it seems that the powers that shouldn't be, in my opinion, are doing their best to make sure that they lower consciousness where they can or drag their feet. and keep this where they want it to be.

You know, and I think that's as the, as you described in the article, it's very clear that these people are trying to represent that. I mean, look at whether Trump or anybody else, this power structures, you know, Trump in the golden age, you know, it's, it seems like another effort to jump out ahead of what is coming and act like this is where we already are in an effort to stifle that change. And I just, again, regardless of what you think out there about the, about the, more of the spiritual, esoteric side of this, it's something that we can all see happening.

And I think it's important to recognize that we, can affect that change with the way that we live our lives and i think that's an important message from everything you do be so thank you for for joining me yet again today and uh you know anything else you want to leave us with on the way out thoughts with future upcoming events well i i had sent your email and uh i would like to draw the attention to a film that was made by the south african filmmaker called william collinson and i was interviewed for the documentary film it's called the end of the world so it's a paper view film you can watch the trailer here And I hope you watch the film and enjoy it.

Well, go ahead and let us know what's about for those that want to check it out because it looks interesting. I've had a chance to watch it yet. It's about, it centers primarily on my work around on the Yugosift. That's what binds it together. But there are a lot of other voices. People are mistakes and researchers and scientists talking about the current times and how it reflects changing consciousness. It talks about the cycles about what happened in the. past and how we might be going into a shift right now.

So it's a number of different voices with my voice being one of them. Outstanding. Outstanding. Well, I hope you guys will check that out and I'm sure we can connect again and, you know, hopefully, you know, less time. It'll be a positive change then as well. So appreciate your time. And everybody out there is always question everything.

Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant.